Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71)

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Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

These people need to resign already. They’re ruining the country.

Thank you, OP.

Butter emails.

Did Pres Bone Spurs ever get his feet fixed? Poor thing. I'm sure he would've been the best, most brave soldier ever.

Rudy Giuliani is a clown tossing shit on the wall. What's illegal is now legal without new laws saying so.

Dear God, end this. Trump's Secretary of State, Smiley Pompeo said this (2015): "We will continue to fight these battles...until the Rapture"

So we're being held hostage by the Leftovers? This is insane.

And Pompeo was supposed to be one of the "better" picks. Pure insanity.

I knew a bunch of these cases were the religious loony types, like Pence and Mother, and that whacko over at HUD....I didn't know our State Dept. was also overrun...

Wash, rinse, repeat....we had this shit in every century of our existence as a country. I'm figuring we're pretty doomed with these types all too willing to see themselves as 'above it all' or 'the chosen ones'

Pompeo will be attending the inauguration of the newly elected homophobic fascist President of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro.

Who not incidentally was elected through the assistance of Steve Bannon and Cambridge Analytica.

I see someone has been paying attention. Bolsonaro just named a scumbag who is considered the main suspect in the brutal murder of an activist, 78 year old nun, as a minister for land management in his cabinet, and has pretty much declared death upon all the Amazonian indigenous people.

The Mandaraku (SP?) are particularly vulnerable and will fight to defend their homeland. They already destroyed what was considered their 'heaven' so they have nothing left to lose.

This site is a good source for international information. More journalists, particularly those reporting on environmental issues, have been murdered in the last 2 years than in the previous 10.

That site also covers the impact of this administration's environmental policies. We're running out of time to fix things and this is the response. People are afraid and elect these 'strong men' to 'fix' the issues only to realize, too late, that they've been had by the local used car salesman intent on running a fire sale for his family and friends.

If only the knife had been longer.....

Bannon, imo, is complicit in murders and will have more blood on his hands soon. I wonder why no one has taken this pig out yet?

Republican and Trump critic, Mark Sanford, warns of a Hitler-like character.

Sarah Sanders is again attacking CNN.

Apparently the whole Trump administration hates CNN. This is odd since nearly every CNN panel has a paid, "talking head" who is a Republican operative or call a politician there to defend and/or expplain Trump.

They don't attack MSNBC specifically often; maybe because NBC has the background of audios and videos from Trump's Apprentice days.

r19 Hmmm that is an interesting angle.

Office of Personnel Management suggests that furloughed government workers barter with their landlords by doing chores if they can't pay the rent

Another Czech angle

R21, but does Trump do any chores? Oh yeah right, they really want to dismantle the middle class.

Bolsonaro is a motherfucker. The WA Post said he "makes Trump look like Mr. Rogers", and they certainly got that take right.

Anybody who isn't a straight white dude has to fear Bolsonaro - indigenous people, blacks, gays, the Amazon, you name it.

Street graffiti sprouted up all over Brazil in the month before the runoff election saying "VOTE BOLSONARO - DEATH TO BLACKS AND GAYS". It's gonna get really fucking ugly. Like military dictatorship II ugly.

If White House personnel, the Senate and House, and all their staff, we're among those not collecting their paychecks, the furlough would end quickly, even though there are many millionaires among them.

Trump intended to create the standoff.

Mueller has someone's nude selfies?

Dear lord in heaven!

Just some ideas...is it possible it was Cohen's phone but not him and that someone else was using a phone Cohen had bought to keep his identity secret (like Don Jr)?

it doesn't seem reasonable that Mueller would let something like that go if Cohen was lying about going there

Mueller hasnt revealed any of the Russia specific charges against Americans yet. We will see this rogues gallery again (Flynn, Cohen, Papadopolous, etc...). Note: NONE of the charging documents and plea deals mention any of the Russia related charges being bartered away.

You sound scared R29. You scared?

[quote]Just some ideas...is it possible it was Cohen's phone but not him and that someone else was using a phone Cohen had bought to keep his identity secret (like Don Jr)?

It's been suggested that someone got the IMEI from his phone and used it to make a clone of his phone which was then used in/around Prague. How feasible that is, I can't say.

Nope, I think there are a lot of factors to bring down this Administration, but the Russian connection itself seems to have taken on a life of its own among partisan Democrats. That was my point.

They attack cnn because it’s the lowbrow teevee news that isn’t rightwing propaganda so it stands out as the enemy more than other news media.

Better educated people who read the times or post are probably democrats anyway. It’s CNN that’s most likely to sway nudnik independents.

I read that many people believe what they see and hear on television. I haven't watched television since 2006, maybe that's why I can't believe what lots of people in the US believe. I can't handle the VOICES and inFLECTion they HAVE. "What does this mean?" "Well, obviously it means [talking points 2, 3, and 5 out of the ten hawked in a newly published book or disinformation manifesto]." "No that's bull-bleep." People talk over each other. "Gentlemen, we have to go to commercial." That's what passes for current affairs programming now, right?

Truth be told: I have no frikken idea WHY it is taking Meuller so looooonnnngg to bring some charged against Trump. A good number of citizens view him as as a national threat!! Each day that asshole is left alone now, he's gonna endanger more innocent people and sabotage every agency and everything positive that the US stands for. Why is this going on forever. There comes a time when the damage done is irreparable.

Americans can do other things besides wait around on the results. We all know what happened.

Why is Cohen denying the Prague trip?

Brazil is more of a nightmare than America now. 😰

Meuller can bring obstruction of justice charges today! It seems with each passing day, Trump is saying or committing an act of obstruction (treason, really!). That's how I know that our system doesn't work anymore. And then from this alone I can extrapolate that the Dem response will be nothing short of a slap on the wrist for Trump and his grifter family. Don't let yourself be disappointed only then.

If the shoe were on the other foot, the Repugs would claim obstruction within 6 months of a Dem Pres. and halt mattters right there. Trump and his fake administration IS a threat to our national security!

How much should we bet and/or say we'll be sadly pissed off when justice is not wrought.

Sean Hannity ??

Pompeo is a lying jerk, just like Trump.

The fact that Mueller refuses to put out anymore indictments really gets on my nerves. Him delaying the truth, is not fair to Americans.

These Resist ladies are obviously very proud of their teeth.

Mueller is not delaying anything. He is building cases that will not only stand up in court but will also be unassailable by the right.

R32, Because....the hacked election and resultant illegitimate Presidency.

R35, Because the initial blow must be thorough, precise, and fatal. There will be no second chance.

[quote] Mueller is not delaying anything. He is building cases that will not only stand up in court [bold] but will also be unassailable by the right. [/bold]

Please. They will ignore it and go on and on about Hillary's emails and their other "genius" whataboutisms.

Lots of sudden Concern and Dissension here in the last few hours.

Maybe Mueller is waiting for Trump to officially pull out of Syria to finally act?

I started to wonder if at least some of the reason for the shutdown is to delay the newly-impaneled chairs of the Intelligence, Government Oversight, Banking, and Foreign Affairs committees from opening investigations.

R47 I was thinking exactly the same thing. Plus people are responding to and agreeing with posters I've blocked (mostly obvious Russian, concerned, or we're-all-doomed! trolls) which means there's been a switch in tactics too.

Desperate liar. Embarrassing.

Put Ghouliani out of our misery, already.

Everyone please ignore the Concern and Dissension trolls (“Mueller is taking too long! I need my blankie!”). I agree that they have changed tactics and are trying to sow discord amidst some rather damaging revelations that are dropping despite the holiday week lull.

You forgot to add how they're 'moving on', R53.

A Russian bank gave Marine Le Pen’s party a loan. Then weird things began happening. By Paul Sonne December 27 at 9:47 AM

PARIS — When French politician Marine Le Pen needed cash for her far-right party, an obscure Russian bank agreed to help.

Four years later, the bank has gone bust. The owner is facing a warrant for his arrest. Former Russian military officers are demanding money. And the party’s treasurer is sending off some $165,000 every few months to a woman in Moscow, unsure of where the payments ultimately will go.

The money failed to deliver Le Pen the French presidency in last year’s election, denying the Kremlin a powerful ally in the heart of Europe. Instead, the 9.4 million-euro loan, then worth $12.2 million, dragged her party into the shadowy underworld of Russian cross-border finance, putting it in league with people accused of having ties to Russian organized crime, money laundering and military operations.

more at link

Jill Stein rejects Senate intelligence committee requests for documents on all campaign communications with Russians .

Marcy Wheeler is skeptical of the McClatchy story, or more specifically of their and other reporters' focus on verifying the claims of the Steele Dossier. She thinks Mueller must have had Cohen's phone records, including any pinging outside of Prague, since last spring.

Are geo tag locations stored for a longer period of time? If they are this would pretty much make murder investigations quite easy to confirm suspects' whereabouts.

McClatchy reporter Greg Gordon on MSNBC last night: Intercepts described to McClatchy by Eastern European intelligence sources said that a "senior Russian official" is on tape saying something to the effect of "Michael Cohen is in Prague." Gordon admitted that he has never seen solid evidence, though, relying entirely on the six sources in his article. "It's a competitive business," Gordon said, hinting that they were worried that they were going to be scooped.

I'm skeptical -- but then again, McClatchy, in its previous guise as Knight-Ridder, was the only paper to get it right about the run-up to the Iraq War.

R58 I’m no expert, but I do think geotags can be really useful in investigations. It was used to helped convict Adnan Masud Syed of Serial podcast fame. But it can be imprecise—again, I’m no expert... would love to hear from some people who know how it works.

My opinion is that Cohen was definitely in the Prague area but maybe not in the city limits exactly. That’s why he can claim he wasn’t. The only way he wasn’t there is if someone had his phone and/or SIM card.

During the 2016 primaries and election, Trump, Sanders, and Stein revealed, to varying levels, connections and accommodations to Putin and his interests. Rand Paul sounded suspicious in this regard and or.

Several other Republicans running early had PACs that received Putin-connected oligarch contributions. This included Scott walker, even John Kasich, and quite extensively at $800,000+ known, Miss Lindsey.

Mitch McConnell, and a several others not running for President, but were powerful/influential per the election, also received oligarch contributions. Mitch's PAC was at a very disturbing level.

None of this should be ignored by investigators.

^delete "and or".

R32 said: "Nope, I think there are a lot of factors to bring down this Administration, but the Russian connection itself seems to have taken on a life of its own among partisan Democrats. That was my point."

FUUUUUCK YOU. That little "Russian connection" is something only "partisan Democrats" care about? That's what you're saying? Asshole.

If only 'partisan Democrats' care that Russia may have interfered with the integrity of an American presidential election, then partisan Democrats are the only remaining American patriots.

I understand that Mueller wants to take everyone down at once because it is going to cause chaos but will cause much more if it is dragged out. Of course each time someone is indicted it gives the others more time to try and cover their tracks. I think this is just so damned involved because it has been going on for years, that it is taking them this long to get it all together. Didn't someone say that Mueller said he thinks he will have wrapped it up by the end of Feb.?

there are so many predictions out there and some just completely contradict the others so we are just sitting in a waiting game. It's hard but I think in a few months our waiting will be over but we will be sitting here shell shocked and God only knows how long that will last. I have read some predictions that it will take a few decades to undo what Trump has done BUT this had to eventually happen, so all we can do is hope that there is less damage done now than if this had happened 10 or 20 years from now. We are making a new America.

I won't be shocked at all, R65. I'll be glad.

I love these threads.

[quote]Why is Cohen denying the Prague trip?

According to the Steele dossier, Cohen was in Prague acting as an intermediary between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives involved in hacking the DNC emails. Obviously something he'd want to deny if it were true.

Truth r64

Cohen is an abusive asshole and will always be an abusive asshole.

Don’t believe him ever.

He's in bed with the Russian mob and knows they have no problem targeting his family. I think he's a POS and want the whole truth.

That's how I see it too, R64. Anyone claiming to be a Repugnant is a complicit traitor in my eyes.

Trump should beware the ides of March!

Yes, R72. Republicans took a dark turn under Reagan, and was given cover by the Moral Majority (fake) Christians. Under GWB the Roves, Cheneys and Kristols shook off that cloak and told Americans, to their faces, that they were molding fake narratives.

Under Trump they are openly embracing white supremacy and foreign influence to try and cement un-American values.

Fuck them all. Hang them all.

Queen Trumplotta has issued another royal proclamation!

He's crazy as fuck. You don't close the borders with the nation's largest trading partner. He's dog whistling again to his pitbulls.

I wonder how long it will take Mueller's team to finish up on the Stone and Corsi indictments. I want those 2 assholes in jail so badly

[quote]Jill Stein rejects Senate intelligence committee requests for documents on all campaign communications with Russians .

As "requests" evolve into "subpoenas". Don't these idiots realize that refusing just amplifies their guilt?

Looks like Jill Stein is an actual Russian asset. Why wasn't the pic of her with Flynn and Putin sitting at the same table in Oct 2016 all over the news? My Berniebro cousin has never seen it and he is a news junkie. To his credit, he did completely support Hillary and never did drag her. He loves Pelosi as well.

Stein IS for sure a Russian asset, and I am one of the people guilty of giving money to support her recount efforts. At that time, I was only in the beginning stages of understanding how Russia plays a complex long game. I felt truly humiliated when I realized I had been completely played by this cunt. I want Stein to go down just as much as all the rest of the traitors.

I know now that Americans can only be charged with treason if we have declared war against a country. Let’s pretemd on January 4th Congress declares war with Russia — THEN would the activities of Trump and Co qualify as treason too? Like retro-active? I’m not worried, there’s so many other charges to bring on them, I just love the symbolism of a treason charge.

To me the most insidious thing about this whole affair is the tendency to contrast Trump with earlier Republican presidents and the party as it was before his takeover—it leads to a stark differentiation and ultimately a whitewashing. Bullshit; Trump is the logical outcome of a party that long has cultivated conformity, power-worship, fundamentalism, even paranoia. Trump's opportunistic improvisations on the facts aren't fundamentally different from Reagan's. His cynical exploitation of foreign powers abroad and racism at home started at least with Nixon. Bush Sr's equivocations over China's brutality in Tiananmen are an apt precursor to Trump's over murdered journalists etc. John Dean was already calling out the Republican party for their embrace of authoritarianism in the mid-Bush Jr years. I could go on and on.

Trump can't be disconnected from the Republican party as it's metastasized since the 60s. The whole party has to change radically or be uprooted.

We were in a war with Russian, we just didn't know we had been attacked yet because it was a cyber war. Formal declarations of war don't happen anymore. And, if we want to get technical, we've had about four straight presidents now talking about the War on Terrorism. That's modern warfare. It's not two armies clashing on a battlefield. We are at war. We are always at war.

R82, I completely agree with you, but I’m talking in the context of a criminal case and how the special prosecutor can bring particular charges.

That's right, R81. Republicans have been subverting and abusing our democracy for decades. Win at any cost and when you don't have the votes, cheat any way you can.

because they have been dying out for years and they know it.

After Clinton won, they knew they were headed into the dustbin of history and started their campaign against democracy.

fuck them.

r85 They did seem to lose their minds when Clinton won. It was very strange. Like a switch was flipped. From their horrific smears of the Clintons, Gore, Kerry, Obama and other Dems to their now blatant out of control cheating they've shown themselves to be the sociopaths we always knew they were.

I get a kick out of concerned individuals who claim that since "most people" don't care about Russian interference and influence in the elections, it is somehow legal, and we should all just move on.

Fascism may be technically illegal, buy hey, if it feels good, do it!

Any new information about the pee pee girls and alledged tapes? Nothing has been heard about this specific matter since April, though below is an article from September.

Jill Stein's attendance at that event with Putin and Flynn didn't and doesn't get a ton of attention because she wasn't viewed as a serious candidate. Obviously she needs to be seriously investigated too but I don't want repubs and Fox "News" to use her as a distraction. The focus needs to stay on Trump and his associates

The descent into corrupt party has been going on for decades with the republicans. Trump is just the culmination of it and somehow the point of no return. They just don't have the demographics anymore to win elections. To survive they had to go this way and Russia was showing them how to do it.

Republicans/Conservatives/Trump Cultists CANNOT function in our Republic. They cannot change; they cannot adapt.

They must dismantle Democracy to remain relevant and in power, which is why they have been trying to do so with increasing fervor.

I've had it with the lot of them--the bothsiderism, the fake piety, the phony patriotism, the mental gymnastics.

There are more of us than them. Engage. Resist. Rebuke. FUCK THEM. They've sold us out.

R65 the real scary thing is illiberal right wing populism isn’t just our problem...it’s a contagion

Preach r91, I’m right there with you.

They have a pathological hatred of anything "liberal" and it has caused them to end up here- turning on democracy to get their way.

Putin and Trump took advantage from an already established network system of greed and corruption that holds the Republican Party in its tight grip. Trump sent spies to infiltrate the representatives and the email hacking supplied further pressure to do Putin's biddings.

yes that's true but until more baby boomers start dying out, the repubs stand a chance to win. Despite there being more registered Democrats in Florida, that state usually goes repub. I know they cheat and suppress voters but still, the Democrats should not be losing that state.

Georgia and North Carolina seem to be on the brink of going blue but aren't quite there yet.

Beto unlocked a big blue contingency in Texas but not enough to take over that state yet. Democrats need to keep focusing on Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and Texas. If we can get those 4, we'll win everything.

Lets see how blue we go when Mueller exposes the entire conservative machine to be criminal sociopaths.

r88....who cares ?.....the peepee tape is irrelevant and meaningless. Shouldnt you be more concerned with the attacks on our Democracy and the illegal tactics that Trump, the Russians and CO have perpetrated ?

r83....Dont worry about a specific charge of Treason....there are many that qualify that are just as serious and still carry the death penalty...i.e. Espionage et al.

[QUOTE] I get a kick out of concerned individuals who claim that since "most people" don't care about Russian interference and influence in the elections, it is somehow legal, and we should all just move on.

As someone who feels that way, my point is that it's not an earth-shattering deal-breaker for. many people. There seems to be some expectation that there's going to be a big groundbreaking shift because of the "Russian" stuff. If so, it's going to be about financial shenanigans, not the "foreign power possible takeover of the system" angle that many partisan Democrats are salivating over.

I know it's not popular, but here goes: partisan Democrats can often live in their own bubble just as right-wing people do.

Tarot card readings say the story of the pee pee girls and tapes are real.

I think some idiots think that when Giuliani prepares the Deplorables for the truth (that Trump is indeed guilty of what he's being accused of - so it's not a bogus witch hunt after all) that the rest of the nation buys it as well and just shrugs their shoulders and moves on. But what will be the real result is that people are going to be so put off by Trump and the Republican Party that they will not vote for them. They will either sit the election in 2020 out or vote in protest for a Democratic candidate.

r99 Partisan Dems do not insulate themselves as the right does. That is bothsiderism. repugs insulate themselves to the extent facts are fake and they make shit up. Liberals seek out news even if we don't like it. I've seen it in real time here. We accept things if they don't go our way. If any Dem lives in a bubble it is just a bubble against RW propaganda.

Republicans are more likely to be an united front when it comes to their conservative agenda than Democrats are. That dynamic changed slighty with Tea Partiers (which later turned into Deplorables) pushing the party further to the right as it already was. During that transition process the Republican Party was indeed divided and not unified. On the Democratic side it's the so called Berniebros who do the dividing, but to me it's looks more like Divide and Conquering instead of trying to push a new Liberal agenda for the Democratic Party to accept as new status quo.

Wow, R99. Seriously! People do fucking care. You’re playing down treason.

Btw, the treason legal definition does not only stand in”times of war”; it also applies to giving aid and succor to enemies foreign and domestic. The more parsimonious definition started being pushed by the GOP last month.

It's driving me crazy that they're dismantling the EPA and its regulations. Disgusting criminals killing the planet and its beautiful creatures to enrich themselves. They do not see anything of value on this gorgeous earth but money in their greedy, corrupt pockets. Traitors all, to the US and our planet.

It's not so much a financial greed in some cases, but folks who just bitterly resent "Being told what to do by the government!" I have a redneck cousin like that who doesn't like being forced to wear a seatbelt, for example.

R104, but I have read that Treason can ONLY be charged if Congress has formally declared war against a country, and then a citizen partners with that country. Not sure if what I read is correct but I did indeed read it somewhere. Can anyone confirm this?

R98, thank you. At the end of the day, if I let go of an actual Treason charge, I realize what I *truly* want is Justice. The specific charges are just a means to an end, the end goal being Justice.

[quote]It's driving me crazy that they're dismantling the EPA and its regulations. Disgusting criminals killing the planet and its beautiful creatures to enrich themselves.

It continues apace: In another proposed reversal of an Obama-era standard, the Environmental Protection Agency Friday said limiting mercury and other toxic emissions from coal- and oil-fired power plants is not cost-effective and should not be considered "appropriate and necessary."

r108 May we secretly pipe in Flint water to all those assholes to drink and bath in.

R107, "treason" is defined narrowly in the Constitution--it means levying war against the US, or giving aid or comfort to an "enemy" -- a country with which the US is at war. That was the meaning of the term at the time the Constitution was written, and early Supreme Court cases clarified this.

The Dissension Troll at R99 is the one who thinks the Deplorables aren't even greedy, just sick of THE DEMS telling them what to do:

[Quote] It's not so much a financial greed in some cases, but folks who just bitterly resent "Being told what to do by the government!" I have a redneck cousin like that who doesn't like being forced to wear a seatbelt, for example.

And many legal scholars do not agree with that recently pushed definition, R110, and hold it to the wider-ranging “or giving aid or comfort to an ‘enemy’ [of the United States].” I am sure you are WELL aware of this.

R112 I like what you’re saying and that makes a great deal more sense to me. I mean, how else can we maintain accountability for those who act against the interest of the US? Do you think that the typical higher court judge sees it the way you’re describing? If yes, I pray they are all charged with Treason. Christ knows they’re traitors....

Predictions don't look good for swinger Roger Stone.

Trump's is right. Most government employees are Democrats. They'll come crying to Schumer and Pelosi en masse next week cause they're going broke and the Dems will cave.

Trump and the Republican party could care less about government employees. The fewer government employees, the lower the government's employment costs as well as future retiree medical costs and pension costs. Republicans hope all government employees affected by the strike eventually quit. Smaller government has been the Republican mantra for decades.

Bad move by Pelosi and Schumer. They played right into Republicans' hands.

So many little trolls are out and working hard for their rations. It seems like someone's worried.

I think the nude selfie is of Roger Stone. (and Nixon!)

Is the definition of "troll" anyone who disagrees with you? Sometimes, this place is like Stalinist Russia or Red Guard China in terms of toeing the party line.

Trump's Legacy.

The lady in red? Mentions Rebekah Mercer towards the end.

No, R118, it is just really hard to believe posters on DL admire Trump and his gang of backward Goodfellas, or have pity on his knuckle dragging followers.

That's not the point at all. The point is that it's gotten to the point where absolutely every single time any Democrat ever lose an election narrowly, it's automatically screamed and shouted as stolen fraud. Sometimes, you just lose close elections.

That kind of thing.

Once more, here's Dissension Troll R118 telling us there's nothing wrong with Russian collusion and that HE and most other normal people don't care about that issue:

[Quote] As someone who feels that way, my point is that it's not an earth-shattering deal-breaker for. many people. There seems to be some expectation that there's going to be a big groundbreaking shift because of the "Russian" stuff. If so, it's going to be about financial shenanigans, not the "foreign power possible takeover of the system" angle that many partisan Democrats are salivating over.

Now the trolls are going to cry about "there's no free thought anymore. I can't have my own opinions" womp womp. If there was EVER a time to toe the party line, it is NOW. No room for ambiguity.

It's rather interesting to watch how greed and corruption can make patriotism look so unpatriotic when it turns out to have been a smoke screen all along.

Support the Troops, Why do you hate America so much?

Russia is our friend! And friends let other friends fuck them in the ass!

Real Americans don’t like traitors.

Period

R117 - I’m hoping the nude selfie is Pence - along with his silverdaddies profile.

Would make perfect sense - mannafort was guided by his Russian handlers to get a VP in there that was totally under control - malleable and servile - who would always do as told and march in lockstep with their agenda...

Pence was the perfect choice. There was already talk of financial malfeasance back in his home state - and if those clever Russians had hacked his personal laptop and phone - bet they were able to harvest all sorts of interesting stuff - and all from such a godly man! Who knew?

Have you really watched him in action when Trump is around? He looks like a man in pain. I see in it the face and body language of a man who knows he’s sold out his country and every value he has - so that he can live well and know he won’t be exposed. It can’t be comfortable though. Wonder how he sleeps at night...

"So many little trolls are out and working hard for their rations. It seems like someone's worried."

So many stupid assholes sticking their head in the sand, all the while parroting the "experts" on MSNBC (the same MSNBC "experts" who featured Michael Avenatti as a constitutional scholar ) and internet blogs.

After Nixon, Manafort and Stone were in business together with another partner doing political consulting and advocacy and raising a lot of money from big donors.

Dissension Troll at R127 posted this earlier, in case you need a refresher:

[Quote] Trump's is right. Most government employees are Democrats. They'll come crying to Schumer and Pelosi en masse next week cause they're going broke and the Dems will cave. Trump and the Republican party could care less about government employees. The fewer government employees, the lower the government's employment costs as well as future retiree medical costs and pension costs. Republicans hope all government employees affected by the strike eventually quit. Smaller government has been the Republican mantra for decades. Bad move by Pelosi and Schumer. They played right into Republicans' hands.

r118 r121 The Republicans are engaging in outrageous gerrymandering, voter suppression, and election fraud. Republican state legislatures are unconstitutionally taking power from Democratic governors. Trump is blatantly becoming an elected dictator. Republicans will destroy democracy to hold on to power. If you can't see the evidence before your eyes, you have a serious problem. Trump and the Republicans are creating Stalinist Russia or Red Guard China and you are a troll blaming the Democrats.

It's funny that R127 talks/bitches about people "burying their heads in the sand," and it's quite obvious its agenda is to get everyone to bury their heads in the sand.

Wait wait wait wait wait. WHAT nude selfie?

R132 it came out that Mueller has obtained a nude selfie. It was talked about in the previous threads. Reports have now come out that it was most likely a selfie from one of the Russian trolls working for rubles.

Wow! So Muriel deleted the Concerned post at R29, but the guy who answered it posted this:

[Quote] Nope, I think there are a lot of factors to bring down this Administration, but the Russian connection itself seems to have taken on a life of its own among partisan Democrats. That was my point.

[Quote] Democrats in their bubble are obsessed with the Russia connection. The rest of the electorate, not so much.

After that, he must've cleared his cookies and returned as the Vile Dissension Troll at R118 et al:

[Quote] As someone who feels that way, my point is that it's not an earth-shattering deal-breaker for. many people. There seems to be some expectation that there's going to be a big groundbreaking shift because of the "Russian" stuff. If so, it's going to be about financial shenanigans, not the "foreign power possible takeover of the system" angle that many partisan Democrats are salivating over. I know it's not popular, but here goes: partisan Democrats can often live in their own bubble just as right-wing people do.

[Quote] It's not so much a financial greed in some cases, but folks who just bitterly resent "Being told what to do by the government!" I have a redneck cousin like that who doesn't like being forced to wear a seatbelt, for example.

[Quote] Is the definition of "troll" anyone who disagrees with you? Sometimes, this place is like Stalinist Russia or Red Guard China in terms of toeing the party line.

[Quote] That's not the point at all. The point is that it's gotten to the point where absolutely every single time any Democrat ever lose an election narrowly, it's automatically screamed and shouted as stolen fraud. Sometimes, you just lose close elections. That kind of thing.

Those are the same talking points as the first two, so proof that R118 is a cookie-clearing Dissension Troll.

NOW we wait for his partner trolls to come in and say, "We ALL have a right to our worries with this horrible administration" and another to go, "Right! We shouldn't pick on someone for a different view - we're all in this together!" Followed by R118 acting all vindicated, stating, "Thanks, guys, I really appreciate it."

Just wait for them to show up to prop him up!

Good catch, R134.

Why in the world would Mueller hold on to a troll's naked selfie? And why would a huge Russian business sue at that level to get it back?

It's got to be a selfie of one of the main players. Mueller team isn't going to pay attention to trolls.

Can someone link on the selfie story? I’ve been on these since the beginning but I’ve been crushed at work. That is the juiciest thing I’ve read since pee-pee tapes and Manafort pimping out his wife in foreign countries.

r137 Here you go.

The related DL thread is here. I actually doubt it's at all juicy; it was just some nude troll picture contained in thousands of documents obtained from a Russian company. The company isn't suing to get back that particular image, R136, it's just using the existence of that image to argue that nothing significant could possibly be in its documents and so they should be returned.

Nude selfie?

Miss Lindsey has gotten way too fond of camera shots.

Maybe Trump sent a dick pic to Ivanka.

Nudies!

Interesting at this sudden flood of posts about the nudie selfie from last night which was explained in detail in the other thread and threads of its own. Plus, all over Twitter and elsewhere.

Looks like a distraction tactic, like their esteemed President does so often.

It was DL's Boris.

Or, 'Mother' Pence perhaps?

[quote]That's not the point at all. The point is that it's gotten to the point where absolutely every single time any Democrat ever lose an election narrowly, it's automatically screamed and shouted as stolen fraud. Sometimes, you just lose close elections.

Is this what you're referring to R121?

[quote]Washington (CNN)Gov. Paul LePage certified the election results for Maine's 2nd Congressional District after a recount and legal battle dragged out the final result in the race for almost two months, cementing a Democratic victory.

[quote]But, LePage -- a Republican firebrand -- made one last jab at the drawn-out process when certifying the election, writing the words[bold] "stolen election" [/bold] next to his signature.

JFC r143, I’m the one who asked for a link on the nudie topic. As I stated, I’ve been here since the beginning. I am the Alpha and Omega. I was a player on fucking Sift Butch Sous Chef!!!!! Somehow I missed that story, trolldar my posts, not everything is a goddamn Ruskie conspiracy, you are fucking paranoid toots! Everyone else, please carry on.

Love,

Your Cunty Mother

Touche’ R145!

And Fuck You R121.

Fuck r121 until blood is drawn.

About whether Michael Cohen ever visited Russian hackers in Prague, two things:

Could have met the hackers outside of Prague.

And

Turns out Don Jr. (shocking I know) is actually fluent in Czech. Ivana was Czech, and clearly she spoke to him in Czech. There's video footage out there of him chatting with an interviewer in Czech.

Cohen was in Prague with 3 other people......theres never been mention of who they are. That was in the Steele dossier also. Who were the other 3....and aside from family, who went with him on the Italy trip ?

Oooh Jill Stein's scared. Won't testify? Very telling in itself. Scared!

The House should subpoena her. We want answers from this traitor. I want her bank records. Follow that lead, team.

Why is Cohen still lying about Prague, when he's supposedly cooperating with Mueller?

Yes, this declining an "invitation" to testify before congress is bullshit. Subpoena her ass.

I just learned (Wikipedia), she’s a physician.

Yeah, fuck her. Tired of this shit. Haul her ass in. No one gets away after January 3rd.

Bump for Treason

Bumpity Womp Womp!!!

Fuck Russia and Fuck Republicans!!!

I'm so grateful the Dems won in the midterms and took the House. If it hadn't happened, we'd be headed even faster to dictatorship and the end of free and fair elections.

The GOP is still trying, but the midterms were a huge impediment to their plans. State houses, too — so important to fight gerrymandering and voter suppression, two pillars of the GOP strategy. Deportation and stirring up racial hatred being another two.

Would Cohen have needed a translator to talk to the Russian? I would imagine that at least one of the other three had to be some kind of bodyguard.

My new year’s wish is that the house will subpoena the bejesus outta these criminal traitors - and really pull together evidence of financial wrongdoings so they can start to actually prosecute as many as possible. I want so many exposed for what they are that walls will really crumble and no one with enough brain cells to actually register and vote can be in any doubt that the corruption is profound. Lock them up!!

She's just so above it all.

Unsurprising.

They were talking about, what? 57 House investigations come January?

I can't wait.

In related news, Pelosi just hired a major prosecutor from the DOJ as the House's chief investigative lawyer.

Apparently Avenattis prediction about Junior wont be coming true.....he said he would be indicted by his birthday...Dec 31.

The new lawyer R162 was talking about.

Jill Stein... ivanka...Neilson...so many others! They’re the kinda gals I can really get behind - and chant ‘lock her up!’

I’m frustrated because I just heard Sarah Huckabe flat out lie as she spoke to the Press. I know she has to sling things, but when she says “Democrats are for open borders” and similar things, she’s just flat out lying. No, it’s not okay.

Such a huge group of traitors and criminals. All soon exposed because Trump had to be president.

Yep R166 just saw that. I loathe her so much.

Loving this thread... great commentary.

On MSNBC tonight (Chris Hayes, I think) showed a list of all the positions the House is hiring for - attorneys and investigators specializing in financial crimes, obstruction, etc etc. The Dems sure aren’t letting any grass grow under their feet.

Good I say. Hit the ground running. Hammer that fat fuck and his grifter kin with subpoenas every single day. Bury them alive in discovery requests. Erect a gallows in front of the Cap Building to drive the point home.

These right wingers (SSarahHuckabee) lie all the time and they have no morals, no conscience. They insist that they are devout Christians, as they tell these lies.

They need to continue the investigating but we need more from Mueller, whether he is finished or not.

r172....Mueller will release his findings when theyre ready....and not until, so chill....you sound like you have a problem with premature ejaculation.

How could Nancy appoint anyone, yet?

She didnt appoint anyone....she HIRED them....its a job.

When you look at all the bad that is happening, you know that Mueller needs to save us, NOW.

US Presidential election rigging and stacking the Supreme Court is the road to destruction for Repubs. We were really asleep under Dubya. We are paying dearly for it now. I was shocked with the SC decisions in favor for Citizens United and the revamp of bankruptcy laws that exclude forgiving student loans. Those two decisions will wreck our country for some time going forward.

Foreign funding of political elections was brought up against CU, but newly seated John Roberts, Scalia and Kennedy betrayed our country with by passing this legislation So this is what it feels like to have a foreign country (Russia) in control of our country.

The next shoe to drop will be the destruction of our economy (and the Dollar) when students are unable to pay off ther loans. Mark my words!

R171 R172 R174 & R176 ARE THE SAME POSTER!

This is getting insane with the divisive and concern trolls.

Ignore them but expose them.

R100, N S, Sherlock. The Steele Dossier is 100% true, and only our prissy MSM have kept the doubt alive.

Believe that Trump was surveilled and videotaped whenever and wherever he went in Moscow.

But while he might be embarrassed and even shamed by this prostitute video, what Trump is actually deathly afraid of is his not being able to re-pay his huge financial debt to Putin and Russian oligarch bankers. Eric Trump is on record as saying that most of their financing comes/came from Russia.

Manafort is signaling that prison is far preferable to ratting on Putin.

Where the hell did Jill Stein come from? She had a lot of nerve to do what she did. And where did her original money come from?

Man this was a huge operation and it went on right in front of the public’s eye.

The "rest" of the electorate doesn't matter R29. There are more us than you. Many, many more. I hope you enjoyed this horrible aberration, as life will get back to normal, and then some, soon.

Just now BBC News Senior Washington correspondent Jon Sopel said on a prediction ls program on the radio that he thinks Trump survives to the next election. No fucking way that happens,

And as to your response R29, yes, there is enough run of the mill, as it were, corruption to bring down this administration, and we need to learn all of that too. But if you think there's such a thing as "making too much" of a hostile foreign power undoing the American (and world) order, then you just don't get the risk that this campaign has subjected the United States to.

[quote]Erect a gallows in front of the Cap Building to drive the point home.

I love this idea.

I'll knit us all scarves!

[quote]Why is Cohen still lying about Prague, when he's supposedly cooperating with Mueller?

Remember it is Flynn, not Cohen, who has been the most cooperative with Mueller.

Can I get mine in greige, r185?

Lindsey must not realize a "no deal" impacts both sides and Trump owns the consequences of the shutdown.

Lindsey and his staff are getting their government checks without interruption. He has collected an extraordinary amount of multiple government checks regularly for years.

Lindsey says nothing about the crumbing intrastructure in South Carolina with horrible roads and bridges needing repair. But he's fine with oil exploration/drilling off the state's coastline. An extraordinarily expensive wall, of questionable need, is what Lindsey is now grandstanding about. He must have his orders.

This looks like a camera-hogging, kompromatized Trump sycophant that is getting more bizzare each week. Is there a capacity to self-reflect? The MSM needs to stop presenting him as a balanced, pensive expert who strictly abheres to some undefined moral compass. The absurdity is profound.

crumbling (sp)^

While one would rather not speak of such tawdry things, these "nude selfies" the congressional pages have been gossiping about ...

Would they perhaps portray a certain Mr. Ryan, or possibly young Mr. Schock? One might settle for Mr. Kinzinger if one were so inclined.

NJ attorney general: Trump golf club committed immigration fraud, and Mueller knows about it

Miss L likes to say she is "pissed". A passion for the excreting urine may be something she and DJT have in common.

[quote]While one would rather not speak of such tawdry things, these "nude selfies" the congressional pages have been gossiping about ...

Buzzfeed says it's selfies of Russian hackers/trolls, FWIW.

Trump tells Dems to ‘come on over and make a deal’ as shutdown enters eighth day

Nixon reeeeeeally wanted Jane Fonda tried for treason. I don't remember whether White House lawyers or the DOJ researched the issue; however, the conclusion then was that since the United States had never declared war on North Vietnam, Fonda could not be considered to have given comfort to the enemy. Not that that's definitive, but the issue has been considered before.

Democrats don’t need to do anything - they have a reasonable offer on the table and everyone knows trump is the reason for the shutdown. They better just ignore him.

Here's a name I haven't seen in a while ...

Sorry for the salty language, but, JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU EVIL CUNT. Dude has to go. Pronto. Sickening sack of putrid shit. A bit deranged to say this but if it were up to me, he’d be dipped head first into an over flowing port a potty. Using dead children for political messaging. Truly evil.

Unhinged, unstable, angry, leaving a trail corruption, knows he's caught, and doing major damage.

Mark Burnett profile in Slate.

Apprentice Producers Struggled to Make Trump—and His Decisions—Seem Coherent.

Everything that Benedict Donald perpetrates/condones/ignores - this whole fucking mess - the deaths of those children, the murder of the journalist - everything should be laid at Putin’s doorstep.

Putin should be tried for war crimes.

Trump should be tried for treason...

Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Graham and the rest of them should be tried for treason...

How much pain would the world be saved from suffering if someone just offed both Putin and Trump simultaneously?

r201. The legal system is no match for scum like them.

R203 True. The whole point of corruption is to break down the legal system so scums like Trump et al. can act above the laws. The current GOP is what happens when an entire party falls prey to corruption with zero resistance left.

R204 And with no moral high ground or any standards left, the current GOP can only unite its base by fanning fear and loathing.

They must be exhausted, R205. It's debilitating to remain angry and in fear.

Are they tiring? Want some stability and peace for a change? How about those volatile markets....anyone getting upset by that yet? At some point, they'll want to be happy again and will start tuning out. This reality shit show is losing ratings, just like the last time....only this time he's gone too far and played his game with the wrong people......US.

Good news, everyone!

Putin, Trump, Pence, McConnell, Graham, Ryan, Jared, Ivanka, Jr., Eric, Manafort, Cohen, Flynn, Melania, Mother, Sarah H. Sanders, Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein, Ted Cruz, Devin Nunes, Hannity, Kavanaugh, The NRA, Collins, Rand Paul, Kasich, Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, Trey Gowdy, Maria Butina, Jeff Sessions, Scaramucci, Spicer, Jeanine Pirro, Flake... They’re all dead!

Dead Dead Dead

I might feel bad regarding Flake, R207. Craven he is, but he possibly could develop a better conscience.

[quote]I might feel bad regarding Flake, [R207]. Craven he is, but he possibly could develop a better conscience.

He's irrelevant now. Congress has adjourned, his term is over.

R207 ... are you... Roger Stone?

[quote]Congress has adjourned, his term is over.

They are back. They have four-minute sessions each day.

His term is over at noon on January 3.

[quote]They must be exhausted, [R205]. It's debilitating to remain angry and in fear.

Not everyone is like you, dear.

For many people, anger and fear are mother's milk. Their brains are just wired differently than what you think of as normal.

Crumbling South Carolina Infrastructure troll, you are one of my new favorites, always here to remind us of those obscure yet specific examples that mean nothing to anyone here and yet so much to people who actually have a representational interest in the Senatrix.

She is such a cartoon character now, it is easy to forget that her actions and inactions result in actual harm.

R207 no Kellanne, Gaetz, Gym Jordon, Gohmert, Meadows, etc.?

LOL R210 - oopsiedoodle

No, I’m not Roger.

Who else (whom else??) did I forget??

Thanks R214 - keep ‘em comin’!

R213 you say I am a troll in an endearing way.

Well you read it, so I can appreciate that.

re R179 never forget this.....

R200, yet another "Things we should have been reading about 3 years ago" story.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that trump had paid agents in Central America bribing refugees to make the long trek just so he could exploit them when they reached the border.

Nothing is too low for him. The blatant lying blaming of the Democrats for all his mistakes is as stupid and degenerate as it gets. He is everything a teacher, professor, counselor, parent, grandparents, friend, and caring, learned adult teach children not to be. A worthless, corrupt, lying sack of shit.

I read an interesting comment today in a mystery I'm reading by Louise Penny (LOVE HER BOOKS) having to do with the opulent trappings of wealth, when shown off to impress, cannot mask a person with no track record of worthy accomplishments. I thought of trump and his golden toilets. All show and no value. Fake and empty, through and through.

r220, there are videos of right-wing pastors from the US, handing out cash and vouchers to those about to walk the trip North.

Where is R118 from last night? I don't think he expected more than just me pushing back at his Trump boosting.

Behind the scenes, most reality shows are about turning incoherent hot messes into reasonably compelling and action-oriented figures. The only surprising (and dispiriting) thing about the article at r200 is that the star went on to become the fucking president of the United States. There are days I still can’t quite believe it.

r222 Plenty of us ganged up on that troll

The pay freeze for Feds (me included) in 2019 is so fucked up. He is just a pure asshole.

We need to pay for the tax cuts to help the wealthy, r225. Thank you for your help.

I wonder how many Americans would be in favor of a constitutional amendment which prohibits Executive and Legislative Branch employees from received government pay and benefits during a shutdown, and states that they are not eligible for back-pay once the government reopens.

You wanna shut down the government? Fine, but you don't get paid. Period.

They ought to pass a law that if the budget (or technically budgets) are not passed on time, the agencies without budgets get the same appropriation as the previous year plus a COLA until the new budget is passed. The eventual passed budget would be pro-rated for the remainder of the year. All this shut-down is artificial drama and a waste of taxpayer money. The don’t pay Congress pitch is a distraction from the real fix imho.

How about we do both, R228?

Hey if you have time the time to commit to shepherding through a constitutional amendment R227 go for it and I will vote in favor of it when it comes up on the NYS ballot, but I’m going to use my efforts on the more easily achievable. It isn’t fueled by sexy righteous outrage, but whatever

....

[Quote] "To be honest, it's not a wall," John Kelly tells the LA Times. "The president still says 'wall' — oftentimes frankly he'll say 'barrier' or 'fencing,' now he's tended toward steel slats. But we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration."

"In an interview with New York radio host John Catsimatidis airing Sunday, Giuliani claimed that Mueller's team has known since "May or June" that there is no evidence to support the allegation that members of Trump's campaign knowingly worked with Russians during the 2016 election."

Giuliani knows precisely zilch about what Robert Mueller and his team knows. NOTHING. Is there some reason he keeps doing this? Is it just to placate Deplorables? The only time he accidentally said something was true was when he told Hannity that Trump knew about the payments and they were “funneled.”

A clarifying article on the ongoing mystery of the foreign-government-owned corporation.

[quote]Until then, we can only wonder at the remarkable circumstance that the chief justice of the United States has personally intervened, at the request of a foreign government through its corporate entity, in Mueller’s investigation.

R220 what's the title of the book :O ?

Rudy will be out in drag New Year's Eve night.

Ladies and Gentlemen and any other assorted pronouns, may I present to you, Shad N Froid. Courtesy of DKOS.

Looks like Cheetolini dumped $129 MILLION extra dollars into Congress to investigate Hillary. Why? Well, because. Also because he was firmly convinced he would keep the house red. So in 2019, guess who gets control over that checkbook to hire people to do investigations?

[quote] R29: Democrats in their bubble are obsessed with the Russia connection. The rest of the electorate, not so much.

R29 is just pathetic, but reasons like my deplorable brother in law does. It doesn’t matter who is bothered by the Russia connection - It is important, and wrong, and dangerous to every American, even if everyone was too stupid to recognize it.

That poster usually doubles down after his fellow troll farm workers rush to his defense with "Hey, what he's saying makes sense! Let's not be intolerant!" and "Everyone has a right to their opinions! Don't let them get you down!" and more shit like that. Then that poster puts on a "vindicated" act and resumes his dissension posts.

However, I rushed to use his own tactics against him, before his troll friends could cut and paste their usual response, and it seems to have shut him up for a day and a half now.

When those trolls post, please shut them down right away.

They are NOT voicing "an opinion lots of normal Americans have." He's trying to sow dissent and fatigue and worry.

Outgoing White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly defends his rocky tenure

Thank you for your service, r240.

Fuck Kelly. It’d be nice if we stopped worshipping men because of their military service.

[quote] Buzzfeed says it's selfies of Russian hackers/trolls, FWIW.

Well, that hardly seems worth all the excitement.

I haven't seen this discussed elsewhere so, you’ll recall...

Trump abruptly pulled out of a Reagan-era missile-limiting treaty with Russia.

Within a month, Russia tests a new hyper-scenic intercontinental ballistic missile.

I can’t recall why it works to Russia’s advantage for us to be the one to withdraw from the treaty, rather than them, but it does. I’ve no doubt, Trump was told to do this by Putin in their unprecedented, private audience.

He’s a Russian asset, I have no doubt. The most valuable one ever, if he weren’t such a mental-case. Now - think about this: if your asset was the leader of your adversary, would you not do literally [italic] everything [/italic] to keep him in office? Don’t be surprised by the surprising.

From today's E-V.com. As our illustrious Op has stated previously: It's starting to look alike like TREASON.

Russians pressured Manafort while he lead Trump Campaign

Just about every day, even during the holiday season, the connections between the Trump campaign and the Russians get clearer and/or more numerous. So it was on Saturday, when Time magazine reported that the Russians were twisting Paul Manafort's arm about his debts to them, even while he was serving as chair of Donald Trump's presidential campaign.

The key figure in the story is former Russian intelligence officer Victor Boyarkin, who works for Oleg Deripaska, an oligarch with close ties to Vladimir Putin. Boyarkin's shady activities are well enough known to the U.S. government that he is already on the list of Russian individuals being sanctioned by the United States (as is Deripaska). And the debts at issue are between $19 and $45 million that Deripaska claims he deposited in the Cayman Islands and that Manafort absconded with. If that is true, then it means Manafort is not only incredibly dishonest, but also incredibly stupid, since these are not the type of people you double-cross (especially when eight-figure sums are on the line). Certainly the Russians think it is true, because Boyarkin was putting the screws to Manafort throughout the campaign in 2016. And, in an apparent effort to buy some time, Manafort briefed Konstantin Kilimnik, an associate of both Deripaska and Boyarkin, on the campaign less than two weeks before Trump formally accepted the GOP nomination.

Ultimately, the picture that is coming into focus is this: Just about every key player in the Trump campaign had a compelling reason to play ball with the Russians. Manafort because he was trying to keep himself from ending up on the wrong end of a cup of polonium tea. Michael Flynn because he had clients (i.e., the Turkish government) with a vested interest in making nice with the Russian government. Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi because they are hard-core GOP operatives who wanted dirt on Hillary Clinton. And Donald Trump and family because of business opportunities in Moscow and/or kompromat and/or a desire for dirt on Clinton. Not everybody had the same motivations, but each had goals that could be achieved by cooperation between Team Trump and Team Putin. In that circumstance, collusion/conspiracy of some sort is not only possible, it's likely. Especially when we are dealing with a group of people whose moral compasses are questionable.

Needless to say, special counsel Robert Mueller already knows all of this. He's tried to talk to Boyarkin about the matter (and was apparently turned down). It's probable that Mueller also knows the truth about the millions that Manafort allegedly took, and whether or not the former Trump campaign chair has gotten himself into a financial hole from which he cannot escape. This could also help explain why Manafort lied to Mueller, risking a lengthy prison sentence, since anywhere other than prison may be none-too-safe for him (of course, even in prison, the Russians may be able to get to him). We shall see if we gain any more insight into the matter before Manafort is sentenced in February. (Z)

[Quote] He’s a Russian asset, I have no doubt.

Doesn't sound like it in your concerned post, R245.

The author of the opinion piece at r235 is Nelson W. Cunningham, who, it says down at the bottom

[quote]has served as a federal prosecutor in the Southern District of New York under Rudolph Giuliani, general counsel of the Senate Judiciary Committee under then-chair Joseph R. Biden, and general counsel of the White House Office of Administration under Bill Clinton. He is now president of McLarty Associates, an international strategic advisory firm based in Washington.

Make of that what you will.

With Bill Clinton's former chief of staff, Mack McLarty, he co-founded McLarty Associates, a "strategic advisory" firm whose that "lies at the nexus of business and policy," according to its website. "We understand the complexities of international markets and help our clients navigate the strategic and operational challenges they face around the globe."

Linked below is an opinion piece he placed in Politico a couple months ago suggesting the super-secret proceedings were Trump himself getting a subpoena and fighting Mueller. Now we know his theory was wrong.

What are we to make of this holiday-weekend op-ed placed in a political news site by the head of a firm, seemingly eager to opine on this case, that doesn't have to disclose its clients?

We may know someday.

^^ That should be "a lot like TREASON" @ R246.

Miz Lindz just said "that's a bunch of bullshit" on CNN right out in class in front of everyone.

Potty mouth.

Smellyanne Conjob, after squabbling with Dana Bash over how wonderful ICE is in providing medical care for asylum seekers, signed off by smirking, "Thank you, Donna."

She is a gracious lady.

Truly, read r238 before New Year's resolutions begin.

It is so delicious you will probably gain two pounds as you process it and all the receipts.

[quote]Looks like Cheetolini dumped $129 MILLION extra dollars into Congress to investigate Hillary. Why? Well, because. Also because he was firmly convinced he would keep the house red. So in 2019, guess who gets control over that checkbook to hire people to do investigations?

Thanks for posting that R238. So it looks like they will have plenty of funds for all Treasons they'll be ringing in this New Year! Another prescient title, OP!

So, Manafort updated the Russians on the Trump campaign two weeks before Trump formally accepted the nomination. Wasn't Pence only selected one week before Trump accepted the nomination? Did the Russians tell Manafort to get Pence the VP job?

A cozy dinner Friday night at Pence's place.

And you know how much Individual-1 LOVES hauling his ass out of the White House.

Thoughts and prayers

DJT: Rudy! I need to say something kind of tough guy sounding. Not really tough, just kinda like a tough guy. Something my supporters will love. Even better if it's really stupid.

RG: On it, boss.

and not being snarky, but curious, is there a medical term for what's going on in her face?

Is it like a localized palsy? Did the forceps damage her on her way out?

That Rudy Tweet is pure lunacy!

"I challenge you!"

as usual, the responses to Guiliana at r259 are lightning fast, whip-smart, and pretty damn funny.

And devoid of any support (that I could find), which may be the best part about them.

[quote]Miz Lindz just said "that's a bunch of bullshit" on CNN right out in class in front of everyone.

Somebody better shove a cock in that girl's mouth before she drops an f-bomb!

"Put up or shut up!"

When's the last time anyone's heard Mueller speak?

I wonder if Rudy was promised a pardon if he defended Trump no matter what.

It's that one with the lady parts! It's all her fault!

I hate his forced smile.

He rarely smiles or laughs.

W&W for r263

not a lot of reason to, r268, one imagines

though boy can WORK a sippy cup

Trump is an ugly monster who has no idea what a heinous pariah he will become as a historical figure. Not as bad as Hitler, but almost, and as a joke of a fool human, too. He will get his just desserts and his criminal family will go down with him. Can't wait to see Melania cry "boolie" then.

Not to mention his sycophantic beaten dog "smile", when his master Putin approaches.

[quote]Sen. Lindsey Graham, who criticized President Trump's withdrawal of troops from the Middle East, says Trump today told him "some things I didn't know that make me feel a lot better about where we're headed in Syria"

1) They have pictures of you with some young person named de'Shon

2) Konstantin Kilimnik was just telling me he'd really like to make a contribution to your reelection fund

3) You never know, I might need another Attorney General

BEFORE lunch . . .

Andrea Mitchell @mitchellreports

[quote]Trump ally and defender @LindseyGrahamSC tells @DanaBashCNN he will tell @realDonaldTrump at lunch today to reverse his decision to withdraw from Syria and listen to the Generals. Will Trump listen?

Everyone needs to keep this in mind at this point...

When you have someone's financial records, you have everything.

EVERYTHING!!

r276

Anyone have early predictions for this year's State of the Union address? Does Trump even do the weekly radio address? Is it blatantly obvious he's reading something someone else wrote?

Mueller will be giving the State of the Union this year.......

[quote]Is it blatantly obvious he's reading something someone else wrote?

And from a TelePropTer!

The SOU will be given by Melania this year.

and it will be Michelle's words.

though no one will be able to understand them.

WW for r282

Miz Lindz just said "that's a bunch of bullshit" on CNN right out in class in front of everyone.

Miz Lindz has been cussing for months. Penned up anger due to kompromat?

^Oops, first sentence was a quote from r250.

[Quote] BREAKING: NJ AG has evidence that managers at Trump’s golf club gave fraudulent green cards & Social Security numbers to employees. When evidence was uncovered the AG didn’t trust Sessions, so they contacted Mueller. Now the FBI & Mueller are investigating the immigration crimes.

She's proliferating tweets following a day of camera interviews.

She's changed her tune on Syria. Yeah, they got to her.

83 misconduct complaints were filed against Kavanaugh that were dismissed,

Ah, the Senatrice in a fix..bless her pointy head.

How to Spot a Russian Bot

My understanding r288 is that the complaints were dismissed on a technicality— that being that our Constitution has no mechanism for enforcing ethics and behavior of Supreme Court judges. Either way, I DESPISE him.

So much for a wall!

I'm waiting for Trump to just say fuck it and finally verbalize, "But brown people are scary! Amiright?"

Yes, R290, the complaints were not dismissed based on their merits. It may be the only vehicle for disciplining Supreme Court justices is impeachment.

The repugs sure know how to spin their asses off. KellyAnnie Conjob talks a mile a minute like she just fell into Scarface's stash and took a huge snort. She talks nonstop and will not stop to answer anything. It is just nonstop talking points. Same with Graham (sickening asshole) and the rest of the repug loons. None of them can think for themselves.

We have Russian assets as President and many repug congressmen. Get them OUT of office now!

Seriously, does Kellyanne have a drug problem? Prescription or illegal...she certainly looked off her face on Cuomo a couple of weeks ago. Just drugged to eyeballs. Simultaneously sedated and yet talking a mile a minute. What the hell causes someone to act like that?

Well, her husband's pretty ugly

Rudy, Kellyanne, Miss Lindsey, Rand Paul, and Matt Gaetz are irritating to watch on cable news. So sick of corporate media booking them for appearances. Miss Lindsey is daily. Aren't there other Senators with opinions and willing to speak?

r297 Exactly. It is the same old nonsense and they brazenly lie. That CANNOT be accepted any longer. I know it is a fine line but they ALL need to tell them that if they come on and just lie like their hero, they will not be invited back.

I’ve seen CNN’s Don lemon cut off these lying trumpsters in mid sentence. He makes no fucking bones about it. Boom you’re gone. I love it.

r298, that's exactly what MSNBC did to Kellyanne, they stopped booking her because all she would do is come on their shows and lie and lie her ass off.

Notice she's never on MSNBC anymore?

Besides Smelly Ann, the “blue” news channels should stop booking the repulsive spin machines, Steve Cortez, Mike Shields and that snarky fucker Rick Santorum. Fuck this “balanced” point of view shit.

Bring on more of ex-Repug Rick Wilson! He’s a great white shark!

A good Thread by Seth Abramson....it lays out a lot of the points connecting a lot of the players and the events around them.

SmellyAnne was off CNN for a while too. I like the way it's working out with her now. So much has fallen by the wayside because we're confronted with so much corruption. I have trouble remembering the last thing.

But I remember when all of cable news was "we like KellyAnne" "she's a respected professional" "she's one of us" etc. Now she'll never be more than an example of fascist propaganda.

So they couldn't get a wall with total control now repugs are crying and whining like newborn babies. FUCK THEM. You obstructed everything dems want. You actually held up a SC seat!!!!!! This is a shitstorm of their own making. The Dems need to nothing. They are caving. Fucking idiots. repugs are sociopathic morons.

R245, I remember being dismayed when Trump pulled out of the missile treaty, but so much has happened since that I never connected the dots between that and the new Russian missile tests. That's some frightening stuff, especially since our military has probably developed nothing of the sort--after all, we had a treaty to rely on.

That connection needs to make the news big time. It may be the single most damaging thing Trump has done since he was 'elected' and I have no doubt he did it for Putin.

It may shock you to know that Mar-a-Trumpito's wifi is unsecured. (the guest accounts at least)

We all need to just say over and over, "This is exactly what Putin wants. Our government is shut down. We are in chaos in our foreign policy. Yep, Putin is loving this." Non stop.

Yeah, somebody needs to keep repeating that Trump is not governing in America's interests, he's governing in Putin's interests.

David Pecker better have told Mueller's team the full truth. He was exceedingly conspiratorial on behalf of Trump and his actions were quite vile in aiming to influence an election campaign.

Thanks for the twitter links.

I hear a subtle pivot coming through msnbc/cnn guests: Trump doesn't seem to understand American values, it's like he doesn't really know what an American is...reminds me of how they used to search for spies back in the Cold War...getting ready to reveal his role as a Russian asset...all in good time.

"Are you now, or have you ever, been a complete asshole?"

Trump's tweets: Judges in government secrecy cases say they are 'speculation' and not 'pure fact'

John Kelly paints yet another dim portrait of Trump

Kelly and the rest are treasonous cowards. They should have been speaking out way before their departures. They can all go to hell. They will forever be remembered for aiding that fat, treasonous piece of shit.

R299 Chris Cuomo is getting his ass handed to him for giving propagandists a platform on his show. His excuse is that he's trying to reveal the tactics of the Trump cultists--and scolding his viewers for "just not liking what they have to say."

I wrote and told him that that was a dangerous assumption, and that I'd have more faith in his attempts if he had the skill to nail lies in real time--but he hasn't demonstrated that skill. I asked why not cut mics when they go off the rails, or interview, fact-check, edit and THEN broadcast.

Once those people find 2 seconds of live air time then they start their laundry list of propaganda points. They don't answer questions or provide education. It's all deflect and pivot to the propaganda. No one learns anything; its just noise and shout-outs to Trump's small base.

The who, what, where, when, why and how needs to be controlled by the interviewers--not guests looking for free airtime to push propaganda. Let them buy their own air time.

MSNBC has just started winning the ratings against Fox for a reason--they're providing information and context--not simply airing shouting matches, propaganda and chaos. CNN should be ashamed.

R316, you're spot-on CNN is a disgrace these days. Just an outlet for extremists and propagandists. Borderline Fox News-esque. MSNBC all the way.

It is so funny when CNN does one of its panel discussions. It turns into a screaming match within seconds and nothing is understood.

I agree- tape these shows AHEAD of time and fact check these assholes. All the lies and propaganda would STOP in its tracks. They can air the unedited version later so they aren't accused of playing favorites but these propagandists wouldn't have a platform or, god forbid, they would hae to actually tell the fucking truth if they were held accountable. No more LIVE panels or interviews unless their lies are going to be fact checked in real time.

CNN hires disgusting Republican fascists like Santorum. Unacceptable. They've returned to being KellyAnne's outlet of choice, too. Terrible. Totally boycotting those fuckers. I swear, it's like they have sociopaths in charge at CNN.

No wonder CNNs ratings are so low.

[quote]Once those people find 2 seconds of live air time then they start their laundry list of propaganda points. They don't answer questions or provide education. It's all deflect and pivot to the propaganda. No one learns anything; its just noise and shout-outs to Trump's small base.

Quoting myself here, with an additional thought: The country has New Gingrich to blame for this. When he hit the political scene the GOP began training every single member of the party to "talk like Newt"--to be bombastic, confrontational and to push the propaganda points regardless of the topic at hand.

They also gave every member a list of around 100 words that could be used to paint your "opponent" with negative connotations. Members were expected to work these words in to every single conversation, everywhere, all the time. Vile people.

Just heard on CNN:

American detained in Russia.

Russian government says they were spying.

Rick Santorum has a long record of anti-gay views, extreme even for much of the Republican party when he was running and serving in the Senate. It was not just being opposed to gay marriage, but presenting gays as degenerates and essentially sub-human by his rhetoric. CNN hiring him should be offensive to any gay person.

Send a tweet to Dana Bush. She is ruining CNN! She is the political director.

Dana Bash should never be interviewing Rudy Giuliani or Kellyanne Conway or anyone like them. A few weeks ago, I thought she may drop to her knees before Rudy. A good journalist takes control of the interview, and insists questions be answered. People who ramble, deflect a question, and spew talking points by filibusterng need to be warned, then shut down if such persists.

Dana Bash is a total pushover. I’d even take Old!Dana!Bash a.k.a. Andrea Mitchell over her.

When Chris Matthews or Joe Scarborough get interviewees that evade questions and deflect, I've seen them cut the interview.

Haven't been a fan, particularly, of Chris and Joe, but when they get pissed off that their questions are being ignored, they let it be known.

Bash is one of them. She is in the club. Not good for a serious journalist.

I stopped watching CNN during the 2016 campaign season. Simply hated the republican stooge guests who had nothing intelligent to say and were there only pushing right wing propaganda. There used to be some shapely youngish blonde crappy lawyer character always wearing a cross defending trumpian fascism. Could not stand that bitch. I also hated that old white-haired guy with a pompadour, a defender of trump creep that they raised from the crypt for some shows.

It shows just how debased the GOP is that the only people they could get were jokes. Any reasonable and intelligent conservative remaining would have left the GOP by now.

I love the fact that MSNBC regularly features GOP’ers who have left and denounced the party. They have them on constantly and I think it is hilarious.

r331 And they blast the shit outta the repugs especially Pres Bone Spurs. Honestly, Dems need to learn how to speak like them, and other repugs, and use their vocal weapons against them. Or just stop having live interviews and expose these lying assholes after the fact. Cut out any talking points/propaganda.

My favorite MSNBC show is former Repug Nichole Wallce's. She rarely has "current" Repugs on. Her show is usually devoted to thoroughly critiquing Trump.

r333 They wouldn't dare come on. She does not let their nonsense go unanswered.

R330 - “There used to be some shapely youngish blonde crappy lawyer character always wearing a cross defending trumpian fascism. Could not stand that bitch. I also hated that old white-haired guy with a pompadour, a defender of trump creep that they raised from the crypt for some shows.”

I think the blonde crappy lawyer, and white-haired guy with a pompadour you refer to are the hateful Kayleigh McEnany, and Jeffrey Lord respectively.

McEnany thankfully fizzled out, and CNN fired Lord for saying “Zig Heil” on the air.

Another POS is the devil incarnate, Katrina Pierson.

Nichole Wallace would rip Kellyanne to shreds and would do so smiling and not raising her voice.

I have a minor crush on Nicole Wallace and *never* miss Deadline: White House which is honestly must-see TV these days.

I liked Nicole too... but didn't she defend Kav?

Jeffrey Lord and that baby daddy Miller guy was among some of CNN's bizzare hired Republican talking heads.

Warren announces she's running... great. We just barely finished the Midterms and now we have to start dealing with these announcements. Well, looks like she just gave Dotard something to deflect to for the next few days.

On predictions episode of UK discussion show Dateline London American journalist Michael Goldfarb said he doesn’t see Trump in office by the end of next year. He’ll leave to “save his family” who will be under serious investigation. I concur with that.

R338 N. Wallace was Communications Director for G. W. Bush. She's Republican, but was anti-Trump early on. Had Jeb or Rubio won, she probably would be working in the WH again.

Elizabeth Warren just isn’t HAPPENING. I hate to say this, but we need a white man at the top of the ticket. Beto or Biden. Warren seriously miscalculated with that stupid 23andme Native American reveal. It made her look bad and like she was acknowledging Trump’s idiocy.

I'm aware of her background R342. I was speaking specifically on her defending Kav. I seem to recall she did.

r343....we need someone like Warren in the race....not only to deflect attention, but she also will attack Trump directly on his bullshit....something others will be afraid to do while trying to "project" an image of bipartisanship.

Nicole Wallace did seem to be offering some tacit support for Kav (“I knew him back in the day” kind of thing) when he was first announced as Trump’s pick. But I think she started withdrawing that once Christine Blasey Ford stepped forward with her extremely credible allegations.

Nicolle knows Kav and said so and that she had always liked him. I don't think of it as a defense more of a disclaimer and then explanation of her experience.

Nicolle Wallace is what happens when Republicans break (or are forced) out of the Republican bubble and spin machine. She worked with Kav, she liked Kav, she thought he was a decent guy.

He's still a liar and she knows it. She knows he lied about his work for the Bush2 administration because she was the Communications director.

I don’t understand how someone could “like” Brett Kavanaugh. Even his own wife didn’t look like she liked him too much.

His wife has to clean up his messy, beer infused BMs.

Fuck, this is all these Mueller threads are going to be now, huh? Fighting about the Democratic candidates?

2019 might be the time to check out of here if so.

Holy shit. You probably “like” most of your co-workers too, because they really are mere casual acquaintances. You only know a single facet of someone you work with, that’s all you have to go on. It’s not like Nicolle was fucking Kav and stating that he’s been completely done wrong. Has she? Maybe I missed that, anc yes that would bother me a LOT.

Nicolle has been Independent for years now, she was disillusioned after Palin. Many/most of her guests are former Conservative thinkers too, *many* of them have evolved. No, I’m not defending them either, I’m only saying that I think a lot of them have woken up to the corruption and realize that the future of our country depends upon civil rights for ALL. They are no longer interested in the GOP party line, and I would hope they will remain that way. Time will tell.

Please do, R351. The thread will improve greatly by virtue of your absence.

23 skidoo!

R351 simmer, Honey. It's just a slow Mueller news day.

Even Twitter is taking a breather to chew on some recent filings.

There was this interesting bit from Avenatti:

[quote]I love the fact that MSNBC regularly features GOP’ers who have left and denounced the party. They have them on constantly and I think it is hilarious.

There was a Republican Pennsylvania Congressman on CNN this morning, who leaving office, who out and out pinned the shutdown on Trump because "no one knows what he wants or what he'll sign."

It may very well have been the first time I've heard a Republican speak in a straightforward, non-agenda way in a decade.

Trumpworld is falling apart at the seams and......... here comes Madam Speaker!

Unlike pussy Paul Ryan, that lady can swing a gavel and knows how to use power. Go Nancy! Lay waste to the Trumpist scum.

Trump interview scheduled for this evening. Oh joy.

R351, welcome to this latter half of our four-year election cycle. Talk of Democratic candidates will now occur daily. Talk of Trump and Mueller and the Fall of the House of Orange will also occur daily. If this is not for you, adios and happy trails.

Well Trump will have to appear pretty early on, he can't wait for midnight even on the East coast. The Faux audience is asleep by nine, ten on weekends and holidays.

Lolololol.........oh that Fat Ass must be really stressing if he’s doing an interview on a night he’d much rather be snorting rails off Melania’s ass in Mar-a-Lago.

I officially despise Avenatti, but based on the smug looks on MSNBC and the looks of terror on FixedNews, I wouldn’t be shocked if his impending indictment is the “word on the street.” Tick Tock Mother Fucker!

r351 / r359 / others --

Here is a thread for non-treason, 2020 election information and sharing

Is Pete Hegseth planning on throwing at axe at him during the interview?

[quote]Trump's tweets: Judges in government secrecy cases say they are 'speculation' and not 'pure fact'

I think this is a case of the law being behind technology. Tweets are seen as social media nothingness because of the medium, not because of the content. That will change but right now the old judges are behind the times. Tweets are no different than speech. Didn't Congress already pass something or another judge ordered that Trump couldn't delete tweets because they are considered official records?

I can't help but wonder how many lines of adderall the orange nightmare will snort before his appearance...?

R361 "impending indictment" of whom?

The President r366. The indictment of DJT.

Avenatti also predicted Junior would be indicted by his birthday....which is today.

This is true r368. I’m not giving this rumor creedence — I’m just saying it wouldn’t surprise me if it is a *real* rumor right now. Avenatti is an idiot.

R368 - I don’t think any of us doubt that junior will be indicted. Just think Avenatti was a little optimistic in his reading of the timeline. Still a way to go I suspect...

Think Avematti will end up a very curious footnote to all this mess when the histories are written. He kind of came from nowhere and had a white hot few minutes where he seemed to be everywhere, fighting the good fight and building a brand - even going to Iowa and looking into running for office himself...which seems to have been a huge overreach.

Found him kinda hot and was nice to see a counterpoint to the Cheeto at a time when it all seemed pretty hopeless and he and his corrupt regime was getting away with it all - but wonder how getting involved with in this mileau will affect Avenatti’s career and life in the long run. He seems to be copping a lot of smearing lately and had been de-fanged- but he can’t honestly believe that when challenging the masters of smear that he was going to escape unscathed himself - surely?

And as for presidential ambitions - hot tho he maybe - I certainly saw enough of the sideshow barker/famewhore going on there too - so that he’s the last person on earth I’d wanna see in that position. One is more than enough in any lifetime.

I never liked Avenatti, never thought he was hot. I thought he was trash. Just another loudmouthed self serving idiot famewhore.

Hopefully he disappears for good!

Avenatti gave us Cohen. The payment to Stormy violated campaign finance laws. I'm sure mueller knew this or would have found out. Stormy put a public face to Trumps adultery and showed how he treats women. I'm glad. When deplorables tried to dismiss her as a whore... I could talk about Melania fingering herself for a men's magazine. I'm petty and I hate her, so I'm generous toward Avenatti.

Avenatti rocks a jockstrap.

Stormy Daniels / Avenatti and the Steele Dossier are the things that we sould be grateful for, because they are the ones who have made Trump's downfall possible in the first place (that and the idiot dying before he could erase all the emails and other documents Mueller wasn't supposed to get his hands on).

sorry, SHOULD be greateful for,

Avenatti will be remembered as the one who opened lawyer/fixer Michael Cohen's Pandora’s Box, which will lead to the downfall of Trump and his spawn.

Two days and a little bit of change before the Democrat-led House.

Happy new year Treason thread posters. Here's to an exciting new year 2019 with many more arrests and indictments. Feliz ano nuevo!

Wishing everyone a Mueller New Year!

happy new year to all patriots!

Avenatti was tweeting DJT JUNIOR.

Today is Donald Trump Junior's Birthday!

Would DL like to wish Junior Mint a Happy Birthday?

^^^^^^^^^^

Fuck no!

But I do wish the prick good luck in the new year, because he’s going to need it.

omg I can't wait for Tuesday to fly by so we can get back to the news on Wednesday. I'm sure by Friday night we'll have new big development to chew on. It's been brutal the last week and a half thanks to xmas and now NYE

You just know Kimmy G finds Biff physically repulsive.

He’s got a face like a hangnail.

She’s a power-hungry ho-bag.

New acting Defense secretary on first day: I look forward to carrying out Trump's vision at Pentagon

*****

Trump named then-Deputy Defense Secretary Shanahan - a former Boeing executive with little government experience - as the acting Pentagon chief for the start of 2019.

Mattis wrote in his farewell memo on Monday that the Pentagon's civilian and military leadership remains "in the best possible hands."

Does he Think we believe we are in the best possible hands?

PEOPLE.....REMEMBER....Mattis, Kelley, and all the others like them WERE HIRED BY TRUMP. That means they have some serious flaws whether we know publicly about them or not. THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON TRUMP HAS HIRED THAT IS NOT DAMAGED AND/OR CORRUPT....they just happen to be the least reprehensible of the bunch.

Association with Trump has proven to be quite the divining rod for undesirability.

[quote]HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE HATERS AND THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA! 2019 WILL BE A FANTASTIC YEAR FOR THOSE NOT SUFFERING FROM TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME. JUST CALM DOWN AND ENJOY THE RIDE, GREAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING FOR OUR COUNTRY!

He must be finally reading his twitter feed.

R388 you're right up to a point. But I think the GOP leadership was giving him some ideas of who might be good choices for some key posts. I have this theory, that they GOP leadership i Congress were going to use him as their figurehead while they passed their heinous agenda. You're right, all seriously flwed people with whom I have fundamental disagreement. But I believe Mc Masters and Mattis were the best of the lot. I think they were put there to keep a check on Trump. Dan Coates too. Kelly was the pisser. He is a fucked up piece of shit. Ideologically not far apart from Trump. Mattis was not on the same page as Kelly or Trump. I think he was exhausted from fighting Trump and probably knew he was going to be fired so he quit and shit on the floor before he left. I like Mattis. I like him because he resigned and spoke out, whch none of them were willing to do. Mattis disagreed with Trump and said, "Fuck you."

R386, I believe Mattis was talking about the guys in the field, the generals, etc. not the bureaucrats and whores like Shanahan. He is seriously so clueless and unprepared, he may just leave well enough alone....of course there's always Miz Lindsey to lend a hand here and a hand there.

I have missed Michael Avenatti poking at deplorables.

I will always love Stormy and Avenatti for scalping Cohen <3 <3

Stormy and Avenatti completely brought on Michael Cohen’s downfall which is now triggering the downfall of the entire Trump empire - regardless of Trump’s failed presidency which is also imperiled. For that, they will be regarded kindly by history. Stormy probably more so than Avenatti but still both.

Suck it, Deplorables!

As of midnight last night, Tish James is the Attorney General of New York.

It's on, bitches!

Junior Mint retweeting Ole Huck.

I imagine it becomes all very incestious, the re-tweeting thing.

Sarah is having pork butt, cornbread, blackeye peas, collard greens, etc. if she's dining with mom &pop.

Mike Huckabee sure got fat again.

When I watch guys like Trump and Huckabee I wonder if there is something about hate keeping your heart pumping to counterbalance all that blobby fat they carry around? I mean look at Christie that guy should have had a fatal heart attack or exploded by now.

[quote]TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME

From The President who tweets in full caps. Of his Projection we know all too much, but this speaks of the hint of inescapable self-knowledge.

It's still in the Oval Office

I wonder if the Oval office has been bugged since Trump moved in. I have heard that it is debugged everyday but Trump is a criminal and a traitor to our country, maybe an exception was made. Besides that, Trumps phone is not secure, he doesn't want it secured. He talks to Putin.

[quote]I wonder if the Oval office has been bugged since Trump moved in.

Like when he let the Russians in unattended?

Link @ R402 is The Deplorables' Mona Lisa.

Where did I read, twitter ?, that there are 22 Republican Senators pending indictment?

Happy New Year

Why is Huckabee such a lying, ignorant pig? He should be sent to prison for his lies alone. Republicans are the worst shits in the world.

People like Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh have talked really stupid Americans into hating educated people...they decided to look down on knowledge and prefer lies. Why did we allow our country to put up with radio propagandist?

If you missed Ari giving Corsi a brutal pounding .. Enjoy

Don't Corsi and Stone have a rather public slap fight over Corsi ratting out Stone with supposedly totally false information and Mueller being the real bad guy here for turning these these "respectable" right wingers into feuding Real Housewives?

Corsi, the plagiarist, wife-beater, and Swift-boater of John Kerry.

Corsi is a piece of sewage and I hope he suffers in prison for decades. I live to see some of these bastards in prison and no, I do not want to see Flynn get off.

Darn it, now I want to guess those 22 Senators!

I hope tats true about the senators, it would explain a lot about the behavior in congress. I keep thinking that the stress level must be through the roof, especially for the guilty.

Wow R412

What is this thing about 22 Senators? I’m not seeing it upthread.

"You don't say."

George Conway to Maggie Haberman

2 Representatives under indictment:

Rep Chris Collins of western New York state is accused of insider trading. Party leaders asked him to withdraw, but he decided to stay in the race.

Duncan Hunter of San Diego faces 60 counts involving personal use of more than $250,000 in campaign funds. He said his wife was responsible for the expenditures.

There are 22 Republican Senators facing re-election challenges in 2020.

Not about Senator indictments as far as can find.

r418....and yet, they were both re-elected. If party leaders wanted him gone, he would be....thats just spin so they dont look like complete assholes with no morals..

r385, Biff?

Does that make Eric Happy? LOL!

Not sure what you’re getting at Re: Eric - but I’d love to find out, R421!

I got “Biff” from Avenatti’s tweet:

Showed up in my twitter feed:

Who gives a fuck about Dean Heller anymore?

If he did anything wrong he needs to be prosecuted.

Pelosi should not remake Obama's big mistake of 2008 .

Cheney, Rumsfeld and W should be in jail.

R425, Dean Heller is so feckless. Another useless RepubliTHOT.

Why wasn’t Nunes on the guy’s list at R423?

Well, for one thing, he's not a senator.

Sorry^ Senators not Reps

Comments from Richard Painter about a Bone Spurs tweet.

Appropriate Cartoon

MY mind is melting from reading r423. It all fits. It’s all the missing puzzle pieces (there is a fast 9-tweet read by the Captain). Is it true? It sounds too crazy to be true, and yet I think it IS!!

I should elaborate. So:

Russian mob has been using Central American governments and fuel companies to launder money since at least 2010.

This is why Obama extended Mueller term in 2011

Remember Puerto Rico and how Zinke company of two people won enormous no-bid contracts for construction? That company was founded in 2015 by a Russian.

THIS is why Ecuador houses Assange at embassy.

I could keep going....these are the biggies.

Who is the guy with the twitter feed at R423? I read through it but a lot of it just sounds like wishful thinking. Is he somebody with some credence that I don't know about or some random guy?

Washington Post -

Trump invites congressional leaders to White House for border security briefing

Also, the R423 Twitter guy states if you ask him for his sources, he will block you.

I love with this guy saying, but are we supposed to just take word without verifying his credibility?

^^^^^^^^^ * I love what the guy is saying.....

Just who does that Kimberly Gargoyle think she's kidding, with her "romance" with that fugly chinless criminal of whom she looks a decade older?

If you read further (or earlier), he's had it with the nonstop "Sources?" or, rather, "Receipts?!".

He's said he has very good sources and people can take it OR LEAVE IT.

But he's tired of the "What sources?!" sniping at him for years now.

Thanks R439

If he has been posting for YEARS, what has he gotten right that wasn't public knowledge or a good guess?

He seems like an even less reliable Louise Mensch, if such a thing is possible.

My impression is he is retired military, and he has gobs of contacts who are still active. I also agree that he *can’t* therefore reveal his sources and doesn’t want to constantly fight about it. He’s just sharing what he knows, take it or leave it.

I am giving some creedence to what his feed says strictly because I read sooooooo many other sources and what he is saying “fits” with the countless other sources that have shaped my opinions. I can’t vouch for him at all, but the fact that he continually says Bernie should be arrested and that he will NOT be shocked of it is revealed that AOC is a Russian chaos agent — I’m on the same page, I was already there before I read that feed.

What I found to be *highly* interesting is his assertion that in the military (I’m sure mid to upper brass is what he’s referring to), they are crystal clear that their oath is to protect us from enemies “both foreign and DOMESTIC” and that there is no longer a question within the military that Trump is a Domestic Enemy. He cites particularly when Trump spoke to the IC right after the Inauguration (remember that shit show) in front of the wall with names of the fallen, and then the Coast Guard shortly after, as the moment the IC felt affirmed that they had witnessed a coup. Again, I can’t verify any of this either, but based on the hundreds of hours of my reading, it just fits.

Time will tell.

R422, Biff and Happy are the names of the two sons of Willy Loman in 'Death of a Salesman'. I am assuming Avenatti uses the name Biff in reference to this play, not 'Back To The Future's Biff.

Thank you, R443. I appreciate you taking the time to post again (Happy New Year!)

It is very exciting, but I will continue to have patience. I really hope I live to see all of these bastards get theirs.

I will never not love posts like R444. Part of why I continue @ DL.

Everything is connected. I believe the Russians have been laundering money in Sout America for years. And I hope Steve Bannon and Steven Miller get fucked up the ass with hot pokers. Miller is Bannon's inside man at the WH on making sure Trump's olitical message is clear, and Bannon has been out here with Cambridge Analytica Reincarnated, promoting the Alt Right nationalists all over the fucking world. Europe, South America, Asia, etc.

Yes r447, which is why the Brazilian election is even more menancing in this context. But let’s just keep the faith.

The guys who wrote Back To the Future said during the election that the character of Biff was based on the Donald Trump the knew back then. It fits.

[quote] R408: People like Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh have talked really stupid Americans into hating educated people...

Likewise, Reagan taught really stupid Americans into hating the government. He said “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are ‘I'm from the government, and I'm here to help’." That’s “we, the people”, he was talking about.

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R423, if that is what you say it is, I love it!

More seriously, too many prosecutions of sitting Republican Senators may make it look more like a partisan exercise.

I was only half-watching the TV but I think I heard today that Trump tweeted that he was in the White House working and the Dems should come down to negotiate; however, the reporter on TV noted that there was no Marine in front of the WH, which is always the case when the President was at home. So, he was lying, as usual.

so the IC knew this is/was a coup and yet they are sitting on their hands.

I need some heads on pikes, people!

Obama's lack of action is stunning. He really should have lost the primary in 2008.

I would love for Beto to win 2020 but now I don't know. Kamala or a Governor might be a good alternative.

There hasn't been a marine in front of there West wing for days and days

His cabinet members keep reporting that “Trump is not up to the job”, so why hasn’t he been removed?

Can the Cabinet be prosecuted for not invoking Amendment 25 to remove Trump? Sometimes, people need to be nudged to do the right thing.

R456, the shutdown is 10 days old, so do you mean within the last ten days?

Shut the fuck up r455. You have no god damn clue of the timeline of information for the Obama administration you nitwit. Take a fucking hike with your anti-Obama bullshit.

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R459, I can’t understand what R455 was trying to comminicate about Obama.

First, R459 is now blocked.

I can't wait for Don Jr. to be indicted. I swear Mueller must be waiting for Dems to be seated in order to go all out.

Thanks, R459. Well done.

Does the mystery of the missing Da vinci. Does "Salvator Mundi" hold the key to the Trump-Russia investigation?

. . .

[quote]But a far more significant meeting took place at Trump Tower three weeks later which has received far less coverage, and yet it may be the most important evidence of collusion Robert Mueller has uncovered. “The August event may well become “the single most important event of Trump-Russia.” Seth Abrahamson, author of “Proof of Collusion” told me this week. Erik Prince arranged the meeting. Prince is a mercenary who is notorious for his work with Blackwater. He is still a gun for hire working for the Chinese and Emiratis yet somehow, Prince still played a pivotal, yet unofficial role for the Trump Transition and coordinating this meeting was as significant as they come.

[quote]Prince planned to meet his guests at a nearby hotel to avoid the glare of the media assembled in Trump Tower’s gilded lobby.

[quote]You’re wondering who the guests were? George Nader, a Lebanese-American businessman who was acting as an emissary for both the Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohamed Bin Salman (MbS) and the de facto leader of the UAE, Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed (MbZ). Nader was accompanied by Joel Zamel, the Australian-born Israeli founder of Psy-Group, and an expert in social media manipulation.

[quote]As the three men made small talk, President Obama was on TV pleading with the Republican Party to reject Trump as their candidate, and calling him “unfit to serve.” Prince smiled and checked his watch. He knew Obama’s criticism would only strengthen Trump’s chances. “We have the green light to go up,” Prince told Nader and Zamel.

[quote]The three men made their way out of the hotel for the short walk to Trump Tower through rush-hour traffic, passed the media in the lobby and up to the 26th floor in one of those golden elevators. Donald Trump, Jr. was already in the conference room with Stephen Miller, when the three men walked in.

[quote]Nader began his pitch. The Saudi and Emirati princes “were eager to help your father win election as president,” Nader said. He said Zamel’s Psy Group was particularly successful at social media manipulation and the two crown princes would bankroll a multi-million dollar plan drawn up by Zamel, to help elect his father president.

more at link

here's hoping we get a bombshell today

For the past year or so, I've been thinking this whole thing will make a great movie when it is finally over. But now I can see it becoming a series that could last two or three seasons. My gods, the tentacles stretch all over the world and involve all kinds of illegal activities.

r466, let's survive it first, ok?

It truly is a vast right wing conspiracy R466.

Could the corporate media stop mentioning Lindsey Graham every ten minutes and stop showing clips of him every half hour?

RuPaul and Logo, please devote a whole show to Graham, then let him sashay away.

Mitt Romney penned an editorial for WaPo this morning: "The president shapes the public character of the nation. Trump's character falls short."

It's pretty tepid criticism -- one might call it Flakeian -- but Trump struck back:

Here we go with Mitt Romney, but so fast! Question will be, is he a Flake? I hope not. Would much prefer that Mitt focus on Border Security and so many other things where he can be helpful. I won big, and he didn’t. He should be happy for all Republicans. Be a TEAM player & WIN!

Mittens also congratulated Trump's tax cuts (for the rich) and for appointing conservative judges. Once an opportunistic Repub, always an opportunistic Repub.

Block me til your fingers turn blue r462. If you can’t see the laundry list of problems with your attack on Obama, then no one can help you. Tossing around insults at him when you have the benefit of hindsight while that THING sits in the WH is not helping our cause. Go pout, you were wrong and I guarantee most here agree with me.

I agree with you r472.

Newsweek -

Trump Presidency Won’t Survive 2019: Ex-GOP Congressman

WP -

Top Pentagon spokeswoman resigns amid internal investigation

Le Boutillier was in the House for ONE term nearly 40 years ago!

I get pissed off at the mainstream media, especially CNN, when they decide their lead is that Romney wrote an op-ed that he himself will counter with his actions in support of this monster. Now they will spend the entire day exhausting this bullshit and ignoring important shit. IMO the story in the Washington Post about the way our national parks are being fucked up by the shut down is much more important. In fact it is merely one example. Why aren't they covering the real impact of the shut down. It crosses every single department of the federal government. Yes, employees who are working without pay, but also the fact that government agencies are not able to do what we need them to do. This is a huge story and the media has reduced it to a fucking contest with Trump vs. Pelosi. It is such bullshit. We need to start bombarding twitter with demands for coverage. The fact is, all of these budget items were approved by congress and are legal. To withhold funding because you're having a tantrum is illegal IMO. The union for federal workers is suing because of the working without pay thing, but there ought to be a lot of other groups suing because they are being denied legally approved resources. To quote Robert De Niro: Fuck Trump....and fuck Romney who will be this session's Flake.

Romney's op ed is milquetoast and he's trying to see if there's room for him as a candidate in 2020. He still wants to be president. Trump didn't attack him very strongly, either.

I'm guessing Romney/Flake.

Preach. We know that we do indeed have the power to pressure media, so what are we waiting for?

Don't forget this gem

Romney abused a dog in front of his family. That's all you need to know about this asshole. Everything that came after that news broke was merely affirmation.

The other criminal at that dinner will be getting his just desserts, and hopefully soon.

Even Doctor Who's Daleks would take a look at the Republicans and go "Bitches will be bitches!" and waste no shot, because these fuckers implode on their own and probably take the rest of the world with them.

Pelosi, Hoyer, Clyburn, Crowley, etc. are seasoned and smart politicians. Yes, they are old guard Democrats, but they know how to work the system. They will give Trump and his cabinet grief they have not seen prior. Democrats will get to impeachment in due time. The Senate may not remove Trump, but it will put them on record, and the consequences of how each votes, will be a part of their legacy.

More Winning! NBC News reports that nearly 30 drugmakers have taken steps to raise prices in January, ending a self-declared halt to increases made under pressure from President Trump.

r464, read the article and substitute money laundering for over paying.

When you see Saudi Arabia or Russia, substitute All County Building Supply & Maintenance Co.

It would not surprise me if the National Company that is being subject to the Mueller subpoena is actually Rybolovlev's company.

He even washed money through Wilbur Ross' Bank of Cyprus.

It is possible he bought he DaVinci from HIMSELF and gave a commission to the Saudi Bank and Prince. Half a trillion dollars washed through an auction house.

He is the guy who bought Trump's moldy mansion for twice what Trump paid only to tear it down. $100M vacant lot. And he traded and got some Trump Tower condos included in the bargain.

Dimitri Rybolovlev, my absolute favorite Russian oligarch.

[quote]Dimitri Rybolovlev, my absolute favorite Russian oligarch.

High praise indeed.

r486, Sir Len is up there, Oleg Deripaska, is up there, Viktor Vekselberg, Petr Aven of Alfa Bank is up there, but for sheer style and chutzpah, it's Dimi Rybolovlev.

Clooney will play him onscreen.

Is anyone watching this cabinet meeting? It's like a trainwreck.

"We're doing great things. We don't need another Democrat. And you know what? I'd like the Democrats to join in."

This is kind of like when my grandfather had dementia and spoke only in non sequiturs.

R485 / R487

Frozen: The Dementia Edition

"The reason [gas] is way down and the reason it's way down is because I called up....some of the OPEC people. I say, 'DON'T DO IT.' You know, if you look back a few monts gasoline was at $83 a barrel. That was gonna be bad. It was going to $100. And some people saying $125, Rick. And I made calls. I said, 'YOU BETTER BETTER LET THATOILTHATGASOLINE FLOW.' And they did. And now it's down to $44. And I put out a...a...social media statement yesterday. I said. Do you think it's luck that [gas prices dropping] happened? You think it's luck? It's not luck. It's not luck. I called up certain people and I said, 'LET THAT DAMN OIL. AND GASOLINE. YOU LET IT FLOW. THE OIL.' It was going up to $125. If that would have happened then you would have had a recessiondepression like we've had in the past. When that happened."

About the names of the rumored 22 Senators about to be indicted for taking money from Russia - - -

You might want to start the list with those who, when confronted with Cohen’s admission last month that he and Trump had conspired to engage in criminal campaign finance activity, said:

“Campaign Finance Crimes are really Nothing-burgers”

R480 - you can see how humiliated Romney was to be seen dining with Trump. Or perhaps, he didn't want the rubes to see him eating frog’s legs. Probably both.

Trump holds cabinet meeting with Game of Thrones-style poster.....make sure to read the comments

geeeezzzzzzz....look up Doug Mills on Twitter. the 1st post you should see is the one of the Trump poster

thank you r496

What are you do when investigation comes up with nothing? Or if Trump fires Mueller?

"What are you do?"- your Boris is showing

How can an investigation that has already resulted in so many indictments, arrests and convictions come up with nothing?

Is there an anti-matter version that's on a collision course with it?

Regarding the 22 Senators.....I wouldnt be surprised if it were true....REMEMBER...the Butina charging documents stated there are secret societies within the GOP that are aligned with Russia....and since then we've learned about all the money going to the GOP (McConnell, Graham, Gowdy, etc).

Lindsey Graham on Fox Radio warned Romney about criticizing Trump. Romney is a peer to Graham in the Senate. Graham is not Romney's supervisor or handler. Romney knows Utah way been than Graham. Utah didn't elect Graham.

Graham has been scolding fellow Senators who complain about Trump or disagree with his agenda. Graham is not the Queen (in terms of ruling) of the Senate. The audacity he assumes is profound.

Something is being held over Graham for him to act so arrogantly with an immensely inflated self-perception of importance.

R499, please to accept apology on behalf for bad employee. Will be retrain!

Ding ding ding, we have a winner at r501!!!! Just remember, after the ax falls, the numbers and scope will be so astounding that NO ONE will be asking any longer why it took Mueller “so long.” Our military and IC are not so easily bought as elected officials and they understand our very future is on the line. Justice is coming, this whole thing feels surreal but it really is happening. We’ve been infiltrated by an enemy and now have Domestic Enemies in many places of our federal government — and that’s coming to an end.

As much as I believe it's possible they lied and cheated, do you really think 22 Senators are going to be indicted? That would be almost one fourth of the body.

Before people go running with this nonsense, please remind yourselves that Mueller's team is LEAK-PROOF.

I think there are a lot of Republican politicians who are guilty of knowingly accepting money from Russia. I do not believe the majority of those politicians will be indicted though. I’d love to be wrong on that.

"She'll Cut your head off and you won't even know you're bleeding!"

Hee hee - Pelosi's daughter describes how effective her mom is

R505, I think that Mueller’s goal will be to pull up the weed from its roots. If he focuses on the percentage of the body, he can’t fully remove the cancer. I could be wrong but I don’t think I am, remember Mueller’s background as it relates to the mob. I think he is treating this like a RICO case.

You know, the problem as I see it is that yes, it's easy to believe, based on what we already know, that as many as 22 members of Congress have been compromised. But with the fucked up rulings on campaign financing, Citizens United, etc. it opened the flood gates for dark money and no accountability. There a re laws in place against accepting foreign money, but I suspect that some have al ready resigned and others will resign and get a slap on the wrist compared to what they deserve. I sincerely hope a few of them, like Nunes, Gowdy, McConnell and Ryan get their asses handed to them, but I don't think we will see 22 members of Congress indicted. They will be charged with misdemeanor crimes, and fined and we will run their asses out of town. it will be up to us. We will have to go after them with the hep of the media so they will be pariahs for the rest of their lives and live in disgrace. I'd love to see McConnell get his assets seized. Nunes too.

My ass seized???!!! Yes, Please!!!

[quote] I think that Mueller’s goal will be to pull up the weed from its roots.

I get what you're saying and it wouldn't surprise me if that such a high number of politicians were caught up in this mess, but I don't think it's a realistic scenario that they are going to indict a quarter of the US Senate. Consider the resources that would take. Also, if 22 Senators are bad actors with this shit, how many Congress people are as well? And do you think these pols acted alone or is there staff also implicated? Not to mention that would leave vast swaths of the country unrepresented and the country a mess. I hate to say this but I fear they've created a situation of too big to fail.

Miller used to work with Sessions -- how many of those are in the back hallways?

r505....you have to remember that certain members are part of the gang of eight....they were told about Russian involvement and just didnt care. It is McConnells and Ryans job to tell the other members whats going on if theyre involved.....instead, we get Ryan scolding members and telling them that its all secret and stays in the family. I have to believe McConnell is going down along with his sycophants....he was told by Oboma, the FBI, and other IC agencies....and basically told them all to get bent.

The gang of eight is the Senate Majority and Minority leaders, the House Speaker and Minority Leader, the chair of Intel, and the ranking minority leader of Intel in the House and the Intel chair and ranking member in the Senate, right?

Who were the Senators who spent the 4th of July in Moscow in 2018? And then there's Lindsey Graham, and Rand Paul. Didn't Paul go to Moscow within the past year? WTF. Yeah, let's throw the fuckers out. And absolutely there are staffers on various committees who are dirty. Believe it.

So glad our blue Congress will be in place tomorrow!

R516:

The GOP lawmakers, Sen. Richard Shelby (Ala.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Thune (S.D.), John Kennedy (La.), Jerry Moran (Kan.) and John Hoeven (N.D.), and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas), spent July 4 in Moscow’s U.S. Embassy, NPR reported.

Just remember when you feel numb — if Obama has done one fucking TENTH of what we know for a FACT they have done, they would have had his head on a platter. Vipers, all of them. So think about that when you need to be fired up, what we are discussing needs to be repeated over and over and over and over until the average dipshit knows that a posse went to Russia this summer.

Has the ride that we're supposed to relax and enjoy started yet?

R519 and if Hillary so much as has an overdue library book, they'd launch 30 investigations and burn her at the stake.

And Ron Johnson (Wis) r518

I don't give a fuck what happens to the people like Butina and the Russian operatives.

I want every single US citizen who helped cabals infiltrate our government tried and executed.

Every single damn one, even the ones who only lied to provide cover.

Sarah on TV looked like she put on 20 lbs. during the holidays.

Huckabee was on TV today?!

R524 I hear ogres gain and retain weight pretty easily

The camera adds 10 lbs.

when is Maddow coming back?

^^^^^^^^^ Tonight

My guess is that the Republican establishment has two plans. Plan #1: If Trump is forced out and Pence becomes president, Romney will step in as VP. Then if Pence is forced out, Romney is ready to go as President. Plan #2: The establishment is planning to primary Trump. I don't think that Romney is their chosen candidate, but he's helping to lay the groundwork. I think we'll see more and more criticism of Trump, culminating with the release of Mueller's report, and then McConnell will step in as the voice of "reason", explaining that Trump is too involved with legal battles and the party should find another candidate.

Schiff, Waters, and Cummings start swinging their gavels tomorrow.

I am looking forward to the Breaking News alert on my phone that Pelosi is officially Speaker. I wish I was going to be able to watch it live.

R531 the main elements of your theory are very plausible. IMO, Trump has a limited window to cut a deal and resign for a pardon from a President Pence. The longer he waits the more likely he and his family will actually get convicted of all kinds of state and federal shit and that's fine with me. Problem I have is that the GOP Congress has been so invested in him, propping him up even in the face of incredible incompetence, that they will never be able to escape the stench unless they turn on hi m completely. It will be interesting to see how McConnell and Graham handle it.

[quote]I don't give a fuck what happens to the people like Butina and the Russian operatives.

But the Feds might need her testimony in court to shiv the NRA, yes? She's a key witness to the connections between the two.

Oh, and R498:

Приветствую, товарищ! Вставь свою дезинформацию в свою жопу.

Trump has some shady cabinet secretaries too. Pompeo, Mnuchin, Ross, all dirty. De Vos is another one oft hose Extremist Christians like Pence, but her brother is a rat bastard. It isn't just Putin or the corrupt business practices, exchanging our policies for personal gain, but there is also this sharp turn to the Right the whole white supremacist/anti immigration movement that is obviously part of a worldwide conspiracy, and Steve Bannon and Steve Miller and Trump are in it up to their eyeballs. Cambridge Analytica personnel, Brad Parscale, Jared, the Mercers, etc. it's a shit mess. All these different strands and all of them lead back to Trump/Putin. ALL of them.

Bet the Russians orchestrated this theater with Trump's full assent, in order to get Butina back in exchange for the American "hostage" . This shit is so transparent!

Because *OF COURSE* they are.

I pray that McConnell will be indicted and convicted...he is a serious piece of shit and so corrupt that no one beats him, probably not even Trump.

Buti[R239], I've heard that, yes, Austin is extremely liberal. Some people also report that it is as full of well-to-do hipsters as Brooklyn these days. But I'm sure it's still cheaper than NYC. Hopefully someone who actually knows the city will chime in with some information for you.ni is a tramp and a spy...the NRA conspired with Russia and the lousy Republican party went along with it.

Somebody needs to slap the shit out of these two upstart bitches @R538, teaching them some respect in the process. These two twats don't seem to understand that Trump and the Republicans would eat both of them for breakfast, shit them out in the toilet by 10:00AM and then happily flush them away.

Once the Democrats have maintained control of the House, and taken control of the Senate and the Presidency, then these two assholes can entertain their little fantasies of "bucking the establishment." Until then, shit down, shut the fuck up and work to get Trump and the Republicans out of office once and for all.

R538, Ocasio-Cortez has been headed in that direction ever since she became a protege of Bernie's. And the media hyping her so that she is probably the most famous new comer is all part of the "fuck Pelosi" angle. I hope a couple of the more seasoned veterans have a little talk with her. She seems to require a lot of attention and "guidance."

Preach, R542.

A face no mother could love.

My favorite article today was on FixedNews today, a reporter asked one of Nancy’s daughters what she thought about her mother’s style (or something). She says, “My Mother will cut your head off so fast you won’t even know you’re bleeding.” Forgive me if I didn’t get the wording precisely right, but that was the jist of it.

This week is going to be really interesting, and I think next week even more so with Nancy restored to her throne.

I. Can’t. Wait.

So how soon tomorrow can we expect someone here to bitch about how Nancy let us down by not impeaching Trump yet?

Figure ten minutes after she gavels the House into session.

Nancy Pelosi has my respect and admiration. She's going to be the force that brings this tyrant down. She was born to be right there, right now.

Nothing like a Democrat doing the work of Republicans, right, ACO?

Alexandria is a foolish child who knows next to nothing. I don't care about her and don't want to hear anything she says. After she learns that right now, we only have one mission. If she has not figured that out, she is really very stupid.

Mueller’s pending bullet proof report, and Pelosi’s gavel; priceless.

Mueller needs to stop sitting on everything. He is contributing to the demise of our country.

If for some reason Nancy misplaces her block, she can pound her gavel on AOC’s sassy beef curtains.

Today Orange Turd said he thought he could be a great general.

Sometimes I wonder why all the great, dead presidents don't rise up out of the walls of the White House and slit his throat.

I'm sure it'll start any minute, R547.

From Louisiana: Kennedy has rejected a run for Governor and he was a strong contender. But he is also a turncoat who visited Russia. Folks were perplexed on why he is choosing not to run for Governor... I wonder if it has to do w his Russian handlers?

Everything Trump does is deliberately designed to weaken our country and isolate us. He is wrecking the economy, he has undermined our relationships with allies, and IMO, this shutdown is deliberate. It isn't about a wall. It's about showing us how powerful he is. He is delighted at being the center of attention. Shutting down our government is weakening us. it is evil.It is harming people. When the fuck are members of Congress going to see through this charade and stop trying to negotiate with a maniac? Of course since you have extremists in Congress who also hate government, maybe they don't give a fuck. First you cut taxes to starve government then you shut it down. Privatize everything. No accountability. We won't have any government to rebuild if we don't stop this fucker.

DL Icon Jill Wine Banks Pin tonight on Lawrence O'Donnell was probably her most provacative yet

After listening to incoming Majority Leader Steny Hoyer tonight on NPR, I suspect that the House will pass a funding bill that mirrors the one that passed the Senate back in December, before the nitwit threw a fit and shut down the government. If that doesn't work, they will probably send him a bill that funds almost everything except for that portion of the Homeland Security budget dealing with that stupid fucking wall. That way they can negotiate about border security and put the federal employees back to work and back to getting paid.

Thanks r560.

I feel the same.

If Trump vetos the bill, there is a veto proof majority in the House....multiple Repubs have backed it also.

After getting the Merrick Garland super-shaft, I don't see where Democrats have any reason whatsoever to agree to a Republican vice-presidential nominee if a vacancy occurs, rather than keeping Pelosi in the wings. I didn't realize until recently that the House of Representatives as a body must approve any nomination for vice president, otherwise the office remains vacant.

R563 because unfortunately Democrats don't play those shenanigans the way Rethugs do. Democrats are always thinking about what is "best" for the country.

Brazil's Bolsonaro issued exec. orders targeting indigenous groups, the LGBT community within hours of being inaugurated.

Nikki Haley on Jan. 1: "It’s great to have another U.S.-friendly leader in South America." Trump on Jan. 1: "The U.S.A. is with you!"

Republican Rep. Tom Reed says he'll vote for a set of House rule changes drafted by the incoming Democratic leadership — a rare move for what is typically a strict party-line vote and one that, he said, could mean "consequences" from the GOP leadership.

Sidenote: Why does the Washingotn Post make their URLs so damn long? They won't preview.

I love Ted Lieu.

He posted this:

[quote]Dear @RudyGiuliani: Um, did you miss the 33 indictments by Mueller? Or the convictions of the former campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, attorney, and national security adviser of ... wait for it ... I think you know this person ...your client @realDonaldTrump.

In response to this that the Ghouliani posted:

[quote]Thank goodness Hannity is back. I will be on demanding that Mueller needs to put up or shut up. It’s way overdue for him to tell us what we all know he has no evidence of any wrongdoing on the part of the President. We will also find out how General Flynn was treated so unfairly.

Let's remember to post that each time the troll comes here with his BS that Mueller is taking too long.

Related thread

I feel like we are entering a darker phase. If it’s true that Mueller is set to release in February, it’s going t be crazy. But it must happen, so here we go!

Where do people keep getting the idea that Mueller is going to release anything in February? If Mueller has shown us one thing it's not to believe that he has set a date for anything or that he will let you know in advance that he's going to.

R573 I posted that, and of course you’re right. But I’ve read on sources I trust that there are certain preliminary steps that have to be taken between the AG’s office and the SC’s office prior to the report release. And that through that process, on the AG side, it’s leaked that February is the window. Who the fuck knows.....but it also stuck in my head as I read from more than one source.

Yeah, I know people have said over and over that sources have said February.. but again, Mueller has never leaked anything. All the times he's had to file in advance, such as indictments and whatnot, we've never known until it's happened.

This country needs a do-over. Seriously. Trump is shit, but what kind of country elects a shit like Trump? I seriously hope that getting rid of him is just the beginning.

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I imagine Mother Maxine tucked in her bed right now. Tossing and turning with a huge grin on her face at how she is going to fuck Pres. Piggy over big time.

Don't let us down, Maxine.

R575, and if you reread my post, I stated that the sources reported this leak from the AG office. We know Mueller has not leaked, it wasn’t a Mueller leak. True, other filings by Mueller had no leaks, so is this story legit? We just don’t know.

I read that, R579. I'm saying no one involved has ever leaked anything re: what Mueller was or wasn't doing. That's why I personally don't take any stock in what "sources" say is going to happen.

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R580, we can go back and forth. IF the leak is legit, it wasn’t from his team, and it indeed makes sense that there would be preliminary preparations between the two offices, so it isn’t an impossibility that someone within the AG leaked (to give people hope?) which is why my brain has entertained the thought. It doesn’t really matter because it’s going to happen when it happens, and it can’t come soon enough.

I think the problem with repeating February February over and over is that I've seen it mentioned on Conservative outlets too. Rudy has given out "dates" as well as for when things were "dropping," and it encourages Deplorables to keep screaming that there's nothing to see! each time one of those dates passes.

Funny that they can do that when these dates pass however they keep making excuses each time one of their Q-Anon Rapture theory dates comes and goes.

Someone should have created a Meme of Nancy's face over Willy Wonka's shouting, "YOU GET NOTHING," with regard to the wall talk today.

Ha, that would have been great, R584.

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Here you go, R548. It’s Nancy’s aid speaking to Trump.

What time is Nancy getting sworn in?

Actually a few hours to go, but the sentiment is true.

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Is it going to show on CSPAN or anything?

Im sure itll be on Youtube but no idea at what time.

Yes, CSPAN. Looks like 12PM EST.

Thanks for the info!

Guesses on what Trump will try to do to upstage it?

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