O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70)

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First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Excellent Title! Merry Christmas, Friends of Impeachment.

We love you OP! ♥️

If somebody has the free time during this Christmas season, I would like to see the list of how a Senate vote for impeachment could go.

R6, Senators are mostly owned by the donor class. A few may owe the Russians something, but most are owned by the donors. When the donor class has had enough of Trump, the Senate will do what it is told to do. That’s why I think that predicting votes after a hypothetical impeachment trial is difficult. No Senator’s past polical views will really matter; it will matter what the donors think.

I'm not sure Joe Manchin would be an automatic vote to convict. I mean, if the evidence was overwhelming, yes. But I think he's the one threading the smallest needle of the red state Democrats.

From Robert Reich, this morning:

The graphic at top is good but it's missing a direct link between trump and putin. We know trump talks to putin often, getting his marching orders and such.

That stuff from Reich was posted in the previous thread and the consensus was that we should take it with a grain of salt given his activities as a major Berniebro during the 2015 primaries.

Don't lump everyone in with your concerned "consensus."

But it was already posted, nevertheless, r12

I hope it's true that there is a tape of Paul Ryan talking about Russian money laundering. That would make my Christmas!!! Lock that fucker up.

Link to article on Ryan and money laundering from the prior thread.

Again, that's Louise Mensch's blog. Any resemblance to her writings and actual facts is purely coincidental.

I thin you are correct, r16. It turns out that was from 2017. There was a DL thread on it last year as well.

I know Ryan stepped down because of Russia and McConnell will be indicted too.

I like it, R9. Thanks for that, R12. Post it again just to piss off the Bernie Bro control freak troll. It would be a double blessing that way.

And what did Jill Stein do? We never hear from her or about her. For some fucking reason she went to Russia, why?

Do not trust Manchin as far as you can throw him, he is pure Republican.

Pres Bone Spurs is going mental it looks like. He is fucking up everything in huge ways it seems.

r21 Manchin has been key votes WITH Dems. He is not pure repug. He is a very moderate Dem. He represents the reddest state (at least in the 2016 election) and has done very well to side with Dems on very key votes. I don't trust him but he is better than any alternative there.

I hope you are right, r16. How do you know Ryan stepped down because of Russia? He sure disappeared after he got the tax bill through. I hope he and McTurtle finish their lives behind bars.

This morning I phoned my friend, the former Republican member of Congress.

ME: So, what are you hearing?

HE: Trump is in deep sh*t.

ME: Tell me more.

HE: When it looked like he was backing down on the wall, Rush and the crazies on Fox went ballistic. So he has to do the shutdown to keep the base happy. They’re his insurance policy. They stand between him and impeachment.

ME: Impeachment? No chance. Senate Republicans would never go along.

HE (laughing): Don’t be so sure. Corporate and Wall Street are up in arms. Trade war was bad enough. Now, you’ve got Mattis resigning in protest. Trump pulling out of Syria, giving Putin a huge win. This dumbass shutdown. The stock market in free-fall. The economy heading for recession.

ME: But the base loves him.

HE: Yeah, but the base doesn’t pay the bills.

ME: You mean …

HE: Follow the money, friend.

ME: The GOP’s backers have had enough?

HE: They wanted Pence all along.

ME: So …

HE: So they’ll wait until Mueller’s report, which will skewer Trump. Pelosi will wait, too. Then after the Mueller bombshell, she’ll get 20, 30, maybe even 40 Republicans to join in an impeachment resolution.

ME: And then?

HE: Senate Republicans hope that’ll be enough -- that Trump will pull a Nixon.

ME: So you think he’ll resign?

HE (laughing): No chance. He’s fu*king out of his mind. He’ll rile up his base into a fever. Rallies around the country. Tweet storms. Hannity. Oh, it’s gonna be ugly. He’ll convince himself he’ll survive.

ME: And then?

HE: That’s when Senate Republicans pull the trigger.

ME: Really? Two-thirds of the Senate?

HE: Do the math. 47 Dems will be on board, so you need 19 Republicans. I can name almost that many who are already there. Won’t be hard to find the votes.

ME: But it will take months. And the country will be put through a wringer.

HE: I know. That’s the worst part.

ME: I mean, we could have civil war.

HE: Hell, no. That’s what he wants, but no chance. His approvals will be in the cellar. America will be glad to get rid of him.

ME: I hope you're right.

HE: He’s a dangerous menace. He’ll be gone. And then he'll be indicted, and Pence will pardon him. But the state investigations may put him in the clinker. Good riddance.

The tape of Paul Ryan discussing Russian money is old news....it does exist....google is your friend.

So he blew things up spectacularly this week. Almost unbelievably except we all knew this was coming. Any repug who didn't deserves what they get. Anyone who voted for him deserves what they get. This was always going to happen and this will not be the worst.

He blew up our foreign policy, a very flawed one, but he is causing chaos and tragedy. Will the military finally turn on him and repugs? They stand by and give a few pearl clutches and sound bites but don't do a whole lot to stop this.

And once again a repug destroys our economy and likely the world economy. Will we ever learn you cannot trust conservatives?

Conservatives play dirty and always have. They've always been this way. The reason Dems controlled Congress for over 40 years is because there were many southern conservative Dems in the party who made sure to keep power in any way they could. There is something mentally off with conservatives. I'm not talking about those who have a few conservative view points but those who are conservative through and through.

We already knew this but still.

A thread was started on this R30 and the Russian trolls are out like crazy!. They're triggered when Stein, the Russian asset, is brought up.

You're right!!!!!! Troll City in that thread!

I'm going to use Troll-Dar and find out which of them are in THIS thread.

Yeah please don't direct them over here!

They would never last here in this thread. Many have tried and they get filleted. They generally don't fuck with this thread. Russians aren't smart enough to be in this thread. They can only spout tired platitudes and talking points. They just repeat the same shit over and over.

Wanna see someone triggered and need a safe space- go around saying "Happy Holidays" because you won't get 3 people in before you get the tart "It's Merry Christmas thank you very much" response. I'm going to respond, "Merry Mueller Christmas, indeed!"

That "water carrier" guy in the last thread got shut down GOOD!

Not another peep out of him! (Until the cookie clearing, of course).

R31 seriously?

The thing to remember is that Trump doesn't come up with this stuff on his own. We know he is getting "instructive suggestions and advice" from Putin, but he is also getting a lot of advice from Miller and Bannon, Hannity and Bill Shine. Now this Syria shit was pure Putin. I even see Jared's hand in it. He made Turkey and Putin happy. Iran is happy. And his threats to fire the Fed Chair are pure Trump. He doesn't want to be blamed for the chaos he created so he's looking for a scapegoat.

There aren't enough people left in that administration to scapegoat for all the crimes and misdemeanors heading his way come January 3rd.

I hope the Reich scenario guy is correct because it seems very plausible to me. It will be painful, but worth it in the end.

Meanwhile, Russia is building up it's air force in the Ukraine. Things are about to escalate there and in Syria.

We're selecting wall designs.

*its* not *it's*

So it really was Make Russia Great Again

Pres Bone Spurs is looking for his next move from Daddy Vladdy. I bet Putin farted in his face at their summit.

Read somewhere that one of the reasons Mattis resigned was that Donald was making noises about using the military funds and personnel to build his magic wall, which you have to admit is thinking outside the box.

R38 R39 R40 R41 and R42

r44 You must've blocked them (including me) for things unrelated to politics. Probably over Lady Fug I'm assuming.

R42, the new conduit is Rand Paul and the Mar a Lago hotline.

Where's climate change hurricane madness when you need it? I did hear they got some nasty tornadoes down there.

Another wish for the xmas list.....

Really, r44, why do you bother blocking people only to later annoy everyone else trying to find out what those blocked people are writing? Snowflakes like YOU deserve to be blocked

I have only blocked BernieBros and Putin fans, R47.

r47 Clearly they are very triggered to block that many people, including me. If you look at my posting history, it can't be over politics.

r48 Bullshit. I am neither of those and my posting history proves it.

r48 is really wanting to know what the blocked people have said. He's weighing whether to post their reply #'s again or just move on with life.

I don't believe in blocking, either, but the slathering, mouth breathing haters deserve oblivion. I do find it funny that I seldom miss their comments.

The Putin fan accuser and Bernie bro troll is one of those types and claims to be the OP of several of these threads. It's a stubborn thing that just doesn't get that not everyone thinks the same way and loves to question how you voted, as if that was something you could prove here.

What r47 said. Quit junking up the board, just unblock them, read what they said then block them again if you want to.

R49, I'm the same way. My posting history here is easy to find and verify. The troll who likes to accuse others? Not so much.....

Love the word “and” between the last two entries in the blocked set. Such a properly ordered and worded series. So OCD, as if the whole thing would not work and fall apart if it didn’t have that “and” joining the last two entries.

R53 me too.

Those of you who find yourselves in r44’s block list should pile on the comments and freak the fuck out of him.

It's already been done if he's blocked me. I'm pretty benign. Triggered darling. How funny that the very people who accuse others are the ones being triggered the most.

I could care less what the troll wants to read or not. He's boring.

Never say I wasn't accommodating, R56.

R43 - “Donald was making noises about using the military funds and personnel to build his magic wall, which you have to admit is thinking outside the box”.

Just like Trump thinking “outside the box”. while stealing funds from his now shutdown foundation. Can’t wait for the SDNY to skewer him with righteous justice..... Fucking scam artist.

The report from multiple frustrated eyewitnesses was that Trump's withdrawal from Syria was at the instigation—indeed, the insinuating, lulling, serpentine persuasion—of Erdoğan, who now has free rein to oppress his Kurds and, if he can, those on the other side of the Turkish border. Iran and Iraq are also very satisfied with Trump's "decision." I suppose Putin is also satisfied, but word was that it wasn't primarily his influence behind things this time.

^^Putin Defender Troll is what it looks like.

R51 = dissembling Bernie supporter trying to seed chaos

This thread really has been taken over by Putin-loving chaos trolls. You might as well be honest about it, assholes.

And yes, I did start this series of threads. I fucking hate Putin, Sanders (both variations), Stein and Trump for what they did to this country. I support Clinton and Mueller. And if you have any issue with any of that, then you are fucking Trump-supporting trash yourself.

Trump never met an authoritative dictator he didn't listen to above HIS OWN DOD advisors....it's maddening how insanely obvious this bullshit is.

Mueller must really have the goods on him for him to act so overtly. I hope the report is overwhelming to the point where the Congress and Senate have no choice but to impeach him. If we can see this shit, surely they can?

Doubtful

What makes the Reich scenario so believable is that the guy acknowledges how the fool would never resign and will put the country through hell. What I don't get is how they 'wanted Pence' all along....that part is a bit of a reach because Pence wasn't running, he was 'chosen' for the role from virtual obscurity and what many pundits perceived as future political oblivion as one of the most unpopular governors in Indiana's history. Manafort chose him, so just who is 'they' anyway?

The whole web of lies doesn't just involve the Dump family and the NRA bitch.....there's a long history of dealings with this crowd and the so-called xtian right is in it up to their turkey wattle necks.

Exclusive footage of Trump "thinking outside the box:"

Hopefully I don't have to mention that using the US military funds and personnel to build a border wall would be illegal as fuck.

Melania is on her way from Lago to the WH, since Tyrannosaurus Trump has dug his claws firmly into his shutdown debacle.

I can only imagine the mood between these two. Do you think she still fucks him?

She just can't resist his sweaty scent:

My sources in the White House describe Trump as "watching television harder than they've ever seen him do it before" and "damp to the point that, when he moves, it makes a sound like a dish sponge being squeezed."

Please r68, I’ve had the flu all week and now you’ve planted that image of those two fucking, in my head.

Sorry R68. Feel better. Maybe watching a good musical will help remove that unthinkable image.

Melania probably hasn't fucked trump since they married.

Why is he “damp”? Like, he’s full-on flop sweating in a chair?

r68 no.

I don't have anyone blocked and occasionally I can't see some posts. I thought maybe it was because they had blocked Me.

Sashaying to Fox daily.

Can't believe I've been fingered as a "Putin Defender Troll" for pointing out the variety of authoritarian despots whose tune Trump dances to. I think some people are getting a little ad hominem and hypersensitive to arguments that aren't there. For the record, yes, I've assumed since before the election that Trump is in Putin's pocket. The Steele Report has yet to be discredited; it keeps getting borne out. But Trump is also a sucker for Erdoğan, Mohammed bin Salman, et al. All of these dictators, not just Putin, know exactly which buttons to push with him.

It’s also possible that the trolls have learned how to scream “troll”.

Is this shutdown a dry run for Trump’s inevitable “Hitler in the bunker” moment?

Stop acting like you've never been fingered, R76.

[quote]Is this shutdown a dry run for Trump’s inevitable “Hitler in the bunker” moment?

I’m very suspicious about him staying in the WH. Like he’s going to try to play “as long as I’m in the WH, I’m still president”.

I like to think about how crazed Drumpf is knowing the walls are closing in... but then I remember that his stupidity and arrogance probably don't allow for him to actually realize they are.

trump is every obnoxious stupid ass I've seen in my life rolled into one. He's a horrendous embarrassment who hasn't a clue how stupid he looks. Bolstered by other idiots and cheaters, he thrives.

One thing I can't stand about some humans is their lack of appreciation for grace, dignity, and compassionate brilliance. They revel in the muck and bring others down.

I'm guessing Donny Two Scoops thinks that if he leaves the WH they won't let him back in.

A thought that brings me a certain sadistic pleasure.

YES r83, I suspect he has a fear of that as well. He’s so thick, he’s probably not even conscious of it, but he is indeed afraid of being locked out of the WH. Wouldn’t it be funny if they played mind games with him? “Sir, we’ve booked you a stay outside the WH as we’re repairing some drywall and we don’t want you inhaling that old plaster. For how long? Not.....too long, sir.”

He'll probably have young Barron holed up in the WH, using him as "daddy's human shield".

One thing for sure; the expression “the shit is going to hit the fan”, will take on a new meaning for Trump come January 3rd.

Any more rats jumping ship before Jan 3?

^^^^^^^ Not that I’m aware of.

I have this image from “The Birds”, where the crows are hanging out on the monkey bars in the schoolyard, just waiting to take off and scatter at a moments notice.

Another great thread title OP!

Word is that Dump had to pay Melania a cool $25 million cash or she'd divorce his ass if he ever cheated on her. It probably motivated him moreso to pay Stormy Daniels off. I recall Dump was more worried about Mel's divorce on or near the 2016 election, then simply for infidelity. Because he could give ashit about that alone.

Trump supporters remain stupid. I know we keep hearing that Trump is losing support, but the one I encountered today did not prove that point. I was in a store just before 6 PM and the tv happened to be set on CNN. I saw the following Jeanne Moos segment (see below). It showed a compilation of Trump saying he knows more about everything than everyone else accompanied by Moos' usual mocking tone. While we would shake our head, be disgusted and laugh at how stupid/arrogant/bullshitterish Trump is, the deplorable who was standing next to me was shaking her head at the sarcasm from Moos. After the segment was over she was muttering out loud how CNN is a bullshit network and said nothing about the compilation of Trump saying he knows everything the best. I swear it's as if everything Trump says is legit in their minds and not to be questioned. I didn't bother engaging her

I swear he could say the earth is flat and they'd have no problem with it.

If Melania divorced DJT, his finances, activities, and properties would be discussed in depositions. He cannot have that. $25 million was probably a bargain.

Why is Israel so quiet about the US pullout from Syria? Such an uncommon response from Bib

This is, of course, an American decision," he said, adding that no matter what, "we will safeguard the security of Israel and protect ourselves from this arena".

[quote]If Melania divorced DJT, his finances, activities, and properties would be discussed in depositions. He cannot have that. $25 million was probably a bargain.

If Melania divorced DJT, wouldn’t Putin have her killed?

Nah, just kidnap her to Siberia and make her one of the sex slaves on the Trans-Siberian Railway.

Miss Lindzey sticks with the married menz.

A 47-year-old sex slave? More likely Mel would be on borscht duty, or set to chopping wood.

Is Melanie the most hated first lady ever? She had some sympathy until her 'most bullied' complaint and the jacket. She's just another whore

I think even I had some sympathy for her especially after the viral memes of her face dropping at the Inauguration and the one of her slapping Dump’s hand away a couple of times.

Then I completely lost it after the reveal of who that jacket was really for and the “most bullied” comment. She is a complicit whore who I believe could be at risk because of that whole funneling $25M to her friend from the Trump Inaugural Fund. I’m glad that she is just as fucking miserable as the rest of the family is.

I love how Melania acts like she’s going to get out of this completely unscathed. Like, sorry, but no, bitch. I saw a local theater production of a Trump spoof here in D.C. recently where they had Melania played by a drag queen.

I wish someone would commit to primarying Trump already. Kasich said that he couldn't beat Trump in a primary so who will take Trump on?

R101, the way things are structured that won't happen.The announcement the other day of the Trump campaign and the RNC merging before the 2020 elections effectively stops anyone from challenging Trump internally. The Trump strategy group, and there is one, wants to stop internal challenges and have him re nominated "by acclamation." However, they may have outsmarted themselves. Because what they are insuring is that the base will not expand, for the party, and they will be left with the MAGAs . Trump is not going to stop being Trump. He won't attract broader support. So those people will either stay away, or support the Dems, or ....form a third party. Bottom line is we have to put forth the same effort, and go all out the way we did in the 2018...on steroids

R102 here. Want to add that the Trump strategy is to give the impression of party unity and party support rallying around a President under attack.

Isn't it around 85% of Republicans remain supportive of Trump? There's lttle hope of a primary challenger that will be very effective.

What is possible is a third party/independent candidate that is center-right, and can attract Republicans and independents too disgusted with Trump to vote for him.

The Democrats need to show caution and not go far left.

[quote]She had some sympathy until her 'most bullied' complaint and the jacket.

She never had mine, given her birther cheerleading. That's active racism she purposefully injected into the public, political realm.

But what put her on blast was her recitation of the Lord's Prayer, in broken English after 20 years in America, because:

[quote]She's just another whore

Why does CNN put Rand Paul on for 15 minutes?

He's a Russian agent, FFS!

Corker apparently told Jake Tapper that the next three months were important to whether Trump will run or not. Since Trump has clearly decided to run... he never stopped running... it sounds to me like Corker is saying that the next three months will determine if the party backs him or not. Mueller's report is supposed to come out some time in February, so that may give Republicans cover for when they start pressuring Trump not to run. Trump will fight them, so they're going to need a third party who has the guts to stand up to Trump and rebuff the die-hard Trump fans. The media loves a fight, so the third party will get lots of press... the question is who has the stomach for that kind of pressure cooker.

The Republican establishment must have started looking around... but at who? Kasich is out. I think the establishment might be willing to back Jeb again, but I can't see Jeb having the stomach to run again.

Polls say that a pretty hight percentage of R's are open to a primary

Jeff Merkley is great on This Week.....

Jeb truly is to low energy. Nikki Haley is the one that scares me. I think she could win a primary and perhaps the whole thing.

Mattis is now out as of January 1. Color me SHOCKED that he's not working through his notice.

How charming that Boeing has been able to install one of its employees as the U.S. Secretary of Defense.

He's also Putin's choice, I'm pretty sure.

Trump just may turn Mattis into a national hero. I wonder what the rank and file military think of this?

The Qs think that Putin and Trump are part of the "Three Kings" Nativity crap:

[Quote] I feel an Epiphany coming on... So the Twelve Days of Christmas between Christmas Day and the Feast of Epiphany maps to the predicted 10 days of darkness starting martial law (5 by 5), running from day after Boxing Day (27th) and concluding with Jan 5th - when government will be cleared out of deep state operatives and the 63k sealed cases arrests are made? The Feast of the Epiphany is when the 3 Wise Men or MAGI brought Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh to the baby Jesus. It is also when John the Baptist baptised Jesus, making him Jesus Christ ("The Anointed One").

[Quote] Does this imply disclosure of knowledge, true history and events, on Jan 6th after deep state has been arrested and locked up? Three Kings equate to POTUS, Putin and Xi?

[Quote] Are we going to get increased light and daily presents from Q:

Christians who celebrate the Twelve Days may give gifts on each of them, with each of the Twelve Days representing a wish for a corresponding month of the new year. They may feast on traditional foods and otherwise celebrate the entire time through the morning of the Solemnity of Epiphany. Contemporary traditions include lighting a candle for each day, singing the verse of the corresponding day from the famous The Twelve Days of Christmas, and lighting a yule log on Christmas Eve and letting it burn some more on each of the twelve nights. For some, the Twelfth Night remains the night of the most festive parties and exchanges of gifts. Some households exchange gifts on the first (25 December) and last (5 January) days of the Twelve Days.

[Quote] Does Yule log relate to the Yulo King Ranch post I made a few hours ago?

[Quote] The song's earliest version appears to be 1774 and various versions have different gifts, such as: 12 Bells Ringing, 11 Badgers Baiting, 11 Bulls a-beating, 10 Ships a sailing, 10 Cocks a-crowing, 10 Asses racing, 7 Hares running, 5 Hares running, 1 Juniper tree.

[Quote] Could there be some illuminati source behind creation of this song?t

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I could attempt to translate that, but I don't speak Crazy.

So, on January 5, 2019, the 63,000 secret indictments will be unsealed, the Deep State ALL arrested, and "The Alliance" prevails.

Then, on January 6, 2019, Trump has a global disclosure, telling everyone the TRUE HISTORY of the World, now that the Deep State has been vanquished.

I cannot WAIT for January 5th and 6th to come and go and then watch them implode on Above Top Secret!!!!!!!

Is 11 Badgers Baiting slang?

The modern GOP is starting to look and sound more and more like the “Church” of $cientology to me. I’m not even going to pollute my beautiful mind by reading through the Q nonsense. Those people are certifiable.

don't hold your breath, r120.

like every doomsday preacher, they will say they mixed up the dates and it will be February 6.

They are delusional. And when fat Donnie goes down, they will proclaim he is in "deep cover" or some other bullshit.

Donnie Two Scoops goes down when Muller unseals his indictments.

[quote]like every doomsday preacher, they will say they mixed up the dates and it will be February 6.

They really are Harold Camping for the Alex Jones set, aren't they?

Adam Schiff gettin' messy on a Sunday

I thought Ivanka was the one who funneled money from the inaugural fund. The real question is to who and why.

How does Trump get a decent nights sleep? I’m serious. With all the pressure (most of it self induced), that he is under, I’d be curled up in the fetal position in some corner, sweating my balls off.

The 25 million payoff to Melania was funneled via her "advisor"who billed the Inauguration 27 million....minus her 2 million fee.

I’d like to see Melania’s cunt on a pike when this is all over with.

Trump is one vindictive SOB.

"You Can't Quit, You're Fired" seems to be a Trump meme.

First Lady for sale. No surprise.

Every time I read about QAnon, I think about the opening sequence of season three of The Leftovers.

[quote]Trump just may turn Mattis into a national hero. I wonder what the rank and file military think of this?

Active duty military approval ratings:

Mattis- 84% and just 4% disapproval

Trump- 44% approval

Trump approval with military women- 26%

Trump approval with military minorities- 29%

Ooh, now that’s interesting, r134. And encouraging.

Trump spending his Sunday afternoon in the WH spreading goodness and light:

Senator Bob Corker just stated that, “I’m so priveledged to serve in the Senate for twelve years, and that’s what I told the people of our state that’s what I’d do, serve for two terms.” But that is Not True - wanted to run but poll numbers TANKED when I wouldn’t endorse him.....

What is with CNN featuring all Sunday Trump sycophants in Congress Matt Gaetz, Mark Meadows, and several others of this ilk?

CNN thinks they are both sides. No, they are taking a righward turn to enhance the ridiculous Ness.

mess, not ness^

[quote]Active duty military approval ratings:

I'm surprised the overall approval was that low to begin with, 46% at his peak in 2016. Meaning that despite what the media was saying. Our military actually disproved of him since the beginning.

Rand Pauls authorized Twitter account either just got hacked, or he is drunk/stoned, or he has had some kind of meltdown. He's not funny but the responses to him are!

Rand Paul is having mental breakdown it seems. I bet he just realized the feds are up his ass.

What is he saying?

R137 CNN invites these GOP assholes on the air to play the “fair and balanced” game, but more importantly, because they almost always catch them spewing some blatant lie, deflecting, or denying facts.

I love it when Jake Tapper pounds their ass with the truth.

BREAKING

Yum. Jake can pound all my lies, deflections, and denials out of me anytime.

r144, she has her daughter-in-law's titties.

R144

As Karen Walker would say, “Nice katits”.

and r136, CNN had a reporter run through all the anti-Corker tweets of today.

EVERY ONE was 100% a lie. He lied about Corker's election prospects, the offer to endorse Corker, and Corker supporting the Iran deal.

It's always opposite day for the clown in the White House.

Trump should just kill himself.

Never, he's too much of a chicken-shit.

I'm sorry, Eldergays of DL please tell me what , "damp to the point that, when he moves, it makes a sound like a dish sponge being squeezed," refers to .

I'm thinking either sweaty socks or his atrocious hair, but I pray they don't mean his ass sweat.

Yes, that is exactly what was meant. Now smack yourself for thinking about socks or hair.

Graham off deep end on "the wall". Take that guy off TV or at least anything other than Fox.

Corker zinged him back.......and then Hashtagged this

Bob Corker #Alertthedaycarestaff

R151 - There’s no reason to ask an elder gay about this.

Now, go to the kitchen, grab a sponge and saturate with water. Squeeze. The sound you hear is similar to the sweat rolling off Trump’s morbidly obese body. Ass sweat included. Now start praying.

It's kind of fascinating watching Republicans slowly, subtly, turn the ocean liner around. My father is a Fox-watching Trump voter who believes that Mueller is the devil - but today he said he was worried that Trump was wrong on Syria. Because Fox told him that Trump was wrong. And he laughed a little over Chris Christie's joke about Trump being like your stubborn 72-year-old uncle. He can relate because he had stubborn elderly relatives who did stupid things.

These are tiny, and on the surface inconsequential, moves. But if Fox news tells voters next year that it's time to vote for a new, younger, Republican President... the Fox viewers will be primed and ready.

That damp / squeezing thing is from a parody report on Democratic Underground. I don't know why that guy is reporting it as "sources say" unless it's very tongue in cheek (he is a Gawker writer, after all).

That’s waaaaaaaaaaaay overdue, Corker. Occasionally he straps his balls on, but all these Republicans are fucking sissies. I guess most politicians are, but the Rethugs being so sissified is more irksome because they talk as though they’re so tough. It’s one of 10,000 points of irony — the Dems don’t sound as tough because they don’t have to dummy-up their message for a Neanderthal base, but they are in fact, much tougher. It takes courage to stand up for those who are bullied and picked on. We all know this from personal experience. Think about times when someone was treating you like you are “less than” and someone stood up for you. That’s exactly what the Dems are doing with immigrants and DACA. They need to pound the media to drive that message, that any asshole turns their backs on the poor. REAL Americans have the balls to stand up for others.

I think the Dems have always been tougher, but have a) failed to challenge both the Rethug and media message that they’re wimps, and b) they’ve really failed to market their message (without or without the media’s cooperation). I think they understand that now and I’m hopeful. Also, if you doubt the strength of the Dems, just remember Ms. Nancy in the Oval Office only ten days ago. She didn’t denigrate or disrespect, but still managed to be a cunt. She understands that trash talking him to his face will lose points, so she saved her most crass remarks for outside. Love her, we couldn’t ask for a better leader right now.

Fox is starting to turn. Send good vibes that it keeps going.

[quote]but still managed to be a cunt.

That's your take on Ms. Pelosi in the oval office?

Ok, that Corker response entered DL territory.

Um, yes and no. I guess by cunt, I just meant she took no shit. She did not roll over — but I think she still acted respectfully. Maybe not my most articulate post.

Let's not give kudos to Bob Corker for finding his spine a week before his term expires.

So brave.

He's been attacking the orange turd for some time now. The alert the day care staff comment is old.

I want to be the spy cam watching Trump’s every move. Except of course his potty time. God knows viewing those images would be beyond traumatic to witness.

No christmas hoors? When does the first one come back?

Mel and her new tits were on their way back to hubby sometime today. Fuck her and him. They deserve each other’s misery.

Tits? I thought they removed her heart.

[quote]Fox is starting to turn. Send good vibes that it keeps going.

Fox may turn against him but they aren't turning against the crazy far right conspiracy ideas he rode on. They'll just find another flag-bearer to foist on the deplorables.

R169 I posted that comment and I wholeheartedly agree — but I have to stay positive. I am so desperate to have him gone, that’s all I care about.

Sarah Huckabee must be busy at home baking. This includes her chocolate pecan pie.

The shutdown is not on her mind right now. It is festive dining.

Axios really has crawled right up the fetid ass canal of this administration and set up camp in its rank bowels, haven't they?

So now we'll be taking on the bills for that heifer's Type II diabetes? I'm so goddamned tired of these grifting assholes.

It’s not like she gets government paid for health care or anything... Oh, wait.

[quote]I thought they removed her heart.

You thought she had one?

It's eeny weeny, R175, that's why it took a month to find it.

Heard Rudy G. will not take calls, not even from Trump, when RuPaul's Drag Race is on TV. Nobody is to disturb him during that time. This includes the LOGO re-runs.

r172 it's always been there. They essentially speak for the traditional Republican element within the White House (and, I think, Joe Lieberman). "Mike Allen" is also trying to make himself a household name at the expense of Axios, for some reason.

SCOTUS has issued a temp pause on an order holding an unnamed, foreign government-owned company in contempt over that mystery court case related to Mueller investigation. The one where they locked down an entire floor of the federal courtroom last week and practically cleared the building.

The company asked SCOTUS to intervene after a fed appeals court ruled they had to comply with the subpoena, which required it to turn over "information" about its commercial activity in a criminal investigation.

Hmmmmmm.....a PAUSE on a contempt order? That sounds really fishy. And it was fucking granted? I don’t trust any of them. Roberts has somewhat earned back a smidge of my begrudging respect but I’m also paranoid. I need to know what company this is and why Roberts would pause a contempt order? I cannot *fathom* why a company would demand this level of secrecy unless they are huge.....Deutsche Bank? I feel like it’s got to be a business that is customer based (not biz to biz). And what comes to my mind is either banking, or possibly even social media?

It's likely a huge bank with some subsidiary in the US. Hopefully the stay on the contempt order means they are going to comply, just need a little more time.

Am surprised Marcy Wheeler's emptywheel blog doesn't get more love and links here. Dense and detailed, its a great source of analysis re the legal/judicial in and outs of this investigation. She put a great summary post last week re recent developments and the fallout; she seems to think we're approaching some kind of endgame crisis point soon:

R144. did they move her kidneys up to her chest?

I hope you're right about the contempt order.

R180, this isn't unusual, procedurally. Roberts really does not want to be seen as politically motivated.

He only paused it for one week so the entire Court could review it....the decision is due by Dec 31. This is nothing out of the ordinary. Usually such decisions are handled by a single Justice who is assigned to a specific district...he can allow or decline the petition, OR he can refer it to the entire bench of Justices.....and I;m sure because of the nature of the case, Roberts felt he should have the entire Court review it.

Isn't the sealed/secret nature of the defendants and the case out of the ordinary?

Is it the 65,000 sealed indictments of the Deep State that Q claimed to his followers???

👻

RBG is on her way back right away. That's the reason for the delay. Hope is afoot.

Ok, good good good, I feel much better about it, meaning that this is SOP.

Gods bless you R186!!! At first my stomach got all queasy, but now I feel better. Roberts will be circumspect and as fair as possible, but he seems like he is not going to give that fucker a free pass. I think Roberts is fully prepared to deal with a trial if it comes to that. Right now Any rational human being ought to be extremely alarmed at what is going on. The abrupt decision to pull out the troops, and his generally irrational behavior has got to be something the SCOTUS will take a long hard look at.

The Treasury Secretary held a conference call with major bankers today informing them "don't worry, liquidity isn't a problem at all!"

So the question going around Twitter regarding that statement: evil? or stupid?

Well if a financial systems expert like Mnunchkin says it's not a problem . . .

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason, how expansive are thou branches.

Sorry if this goes off topic, but I wish you guys Merry Christmas and blissful, Trump free holidays!

[quote]Well if a financial systems expert like Mnunchkin says it's not a problem . . .

He was a producer on Suicide Squad, after all. He's obviously highly qualified.

I hope once this is over, hopefully, democrats with make a list of all the damage, all the unnecessary cost, all the foreign relations disarray Trump has forced onto Americans and the world basically.

I don't want them to go back to business as usual until they have spoken out about this on every parlamentary debate, news channel, TV station, town hall meeting.

The GOP needs to be destroyed. Since Reagan they are nothing but a toxic bunch of greedy, self serving and ruthless hypocrites.

r177, I believe you.

That has just the right touch of eccentricity to have the ring of credibility.

If the Republicans pull a stunt like Trump resigning and Pence pardoning him, we must rebel unless and until Trump pays reparations for all the damage he's done. I want him picked clean. If he gets to go free, then he has to be poor for the rest of his life. As much as I'd like to see him drawn and quartered, hanged, burned at the stake, or some combination thereof, being poor would probably be the worst punishment of all for DJT.

[quote]I want him picked clean. If he gets to go free, then he has to be poor for the rest of his life.

If the new attorney general for NY state is an indication, you could very well get your wish. It sounds like she's quite ready to torch the Trump Organization to the ground in NY State court.

Nixon was a criminal but at least he did not fuck over our friends. Trump runs a crime family from the Oval Office, hopefully he won't get off.

Trump and his buddies have so many attachments to Russia, it is almost comical. Many Repugs have been taking money. I would like to see Ryan and McConnell paying a big price.

All I want for Christmas is another round of indictments!

So Roberts is trying to shut down this line of inquiry... interesting. The foreign sovereign must be the Saudis or even Israelis. Someone with a lot of sway in the US.

I love that R194!!

Not sure if this was posted. From WP:

‘Very telling’ that Trump didn’t know his own anti-ISIS point man, former official says

R206, Roberts cannot independently shut down any line of inquiry, including the subpoena of the mystery corporation. That would take a ruling from the whole Court. The halt is temporary to see if the Court wants to intervene in the matter of the subpoena.

Lots of shit going on, but it's worth noting the new Defense Secretary is a Defense contractor.

This is the kind of shit that doesn't even register anymore.

Dow Jones dropped through 22000 again

Needs to break 20000

RBG is still in NYC but reportedly up and working in her hospital room, according to NY1.

R202, evidence was found a couple of years ago that Nixon killed the Paris Peace Talks which then extended the Vietnam was for years costing tens of thousands of lives. He wasn't in office which made it an act of treason. My guess is that was what was being discussed in that 18 minute gap on the Nixon tapes.

Say "goodbye" to your 401k.

He really is an ignoramus. The fed is the problem? no, mon faux ami, you are the problem.

I'll bet he is even angrier that stocks took a nosedive after he said that.

R209, by halting the subpoena and the penalties for noncompliance, Roberts is already signalling what he thinks of the subpoena. He's trying to shut down that line of inquiry.

BTW, he's not the new Kennedy, so everyone can give up on him being a fair-ish centrist. Not happening.

DJ Closed down 653 points

I'd bet that most of the deplorables don't have stocks or 401k plans...

He's shitposting today. Like, literally shitposting.

He's bored because he knows if he goes to Mar a Lago (which he will in a few days) he'll get Fox and Friends bitching at him. He's angry because he can't just force Congress to do what he wants, even though REPUBLICANS CONTROL EVERY BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. I'm surprised he hasn't spent more time tearing into Mitch McConnell for not using the nuclear option.

The border wall YOU are talking about, and trying to shove down our throats!

He's speaking to a very small amount of people at this point. No one is buying it, either, after your performance in the Oval office with Representative Pelosi and Senator Schumer.

I hope the Democrats don't give in to his demands. They already offered more than enough money for border security without his useless monument wall.

The Donald should just say what he REALLY wants - his face on Mount Rushmore, or a giant statue of himself.

Please, he will go to Mar-A-Lago and the Right Wing Media will go "Hillary's Emails!" rants over and over distracting from Trump and him not keeping his word, as always. You know, if Trump can't go to Mar-A-Lago the terrorists have won!

Why doesn't he just take his fat ass to Florida to play golf? His approach to governance is FUCK IT anyway.

I think it's funny that he's making Melania come back to spend Christmas day with him. After which she'll be off again.

It's unreal that he was planning on going to Mar-a-Lago for sixteen days. He's spent less than a third of his time in the White House. This is after bitching at Obama every time he took a day or two break to play golf.

He wants the optic of the lonely guy trying to find a solution to a big, sad problem.

He's fighting alone, bravely and with robust determination for that wall. Boo fucking hoo.

....

The shirt should read: JAIL MELANIA.

I want to see the receipts for the inauguration....$27 million for that shitshow is an obvious ruse. If the rumors are true and ol' Mel got a kickback, she deserves jail time.

Yes, inauguration receipts and tax records. Oh the Humanity when its revealed Trump hasn't even 1 billion in assets.

She deserves jail time for supporting that horrible man and abusing the immigration system. Remember, she was let in on an Einstein visa!

[quote]I'd bet that most of the deplorables don't have stocks or 401k plans...

The ones I know have been very up-to-date on "how much Trump has increased my 401k."

I am looking forward to inquiring what he's done for them lately, and to asking--again--how much their accounts increased under Obama.

Mine is 4% under Gaddam Inssein; 279% under Obama.

If you talk about the terrible stock market, he will counter with "lowest unemployment" bs.

His rich friends, the ones he calls every day for advice, must be bitching about the stock market.

His company has something like $350 million in loans whose payments go up every time the interest rate is raised.

[quote] If you talk about the terrible stock market, he will counter with "lowest unemployment" bs.

Trump IS a troll. He will never admit he is wrong, that it is everybody else's fault but most certainly not his. And he will remain a hate monger to his last dying breath to distract from the fact that he's a troll.

Why do people still think they can get through to him? He does whatever Putin tells him and then comes up with some BS to "justify" his actions. You know, like any regular (mostly) Republican senator or representative who takes orders from his donors and then tells the public some bullshit story why this new law or regulation is good for everybody (not just for the rich donors).

r218....fuck off with your delusional bullshit...its been explained many times that it is normal procedure to pause his ruling pending review by the entire Court.....if it was as you say, he would have stopped it dead in its tracks when he received the petition. Is your life that pathetic that you have to imagine a doomsday scenario in everything without bothering to learn the facts ? FFS.

R240, he's not delusional to refute the 'centrist' claims. That's knee jerk optimism at work there and you can't blame the poster if they're calling it out. They are correct. Roberts is no Kennedy.

You could have just stated that instead of calling someone 'pathetic'....we get a lot of people here who have no idea what's going on and want to get to the marrow quickly....this thread does that. We also get a lot of folks from other countries who have no idea how our judiciary works. Finally, not everyone has the ability to scroll through these threads quickly.

I love these threads for the variety of articles posted and the intelligent discussion. Thanks to all the OPs for putting this up (even you, Bernie hating troll).

R240, Roberts can't stop it in its tracks by his own decree. He has to have the court look at it and then he can get the GOP majority to stop the subpoena.

That he took up the appeal at all shows where he's headed. He's blocking this part of the investigation.

I claim it proudly, R241, but what I really am is a fascism-hating troll, and thus a Putin-hating troll. I am far left, and I think Bernie was/is “fake left” to be involved with Manafort and Putin, and I was/am disgusted by the toxic misogyny directed at a woman equally if not more progressive than Bernie. Btw, I did once give him and Tad $27, before the scales fell from my eyes when reading his NYDN interview. In a forced choice with Trump, obviously I would vote for Bernie.

r242....Yes, he can. Each Justice is assigned a district....they hear individual requests and can either deny intervention, over rule a decision, or refer it to the entire court....which Roberts did. The decision is due by Dec 31. IT IS STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.

Meant to post this in this thread.

Merry Christmas:

Roberts covers his ass by having the whole court look at it and then having his majority block it, obviously.

So Trump told Mnuchin to make those calls. Dummy Trump pushing the experts around.

I’m thinking the cheeto’s days in office might be moving to a close now. If the market keeps tanking - he’ll be deposed. The uber rich were all very happy to get huge tax cuts and have various regulations cut or altered - and arguably that was why he/the repugs had their support. But they can’t be happy about the market. And if it continues - their support will get pulled and he’ll be ousted.

Even rich oligarchs from Russia don’t wanna see the world’s economy tank - you think they wanna see the value of their ill-gotten gains decline?

just follow the money...

Oh: re: Mnuchin - the other day I was watching that Man from Uncle movie that flopped big time at the box office a few years ago. It’s a guilty pleasure. Lotsa great eye candy - and gorgeous frocks! But I noticed in the credits who of of the main producers was - Steven Mnuchin. The same guy who is now phoning banks and telling them that everything is just fine... yeah. Like he’d know zip with his qualifications and track record. Best people my ass!

Does SCOTUS really want to take on Mueller?

People who post Business Insider links should be aware it was founded by and is edited by convicted Merrill Lynch scam-artist Henry Blodget.

Its move from financial blog into news coverage is not necessarily girded by rock-solid journalistic principles, and it is possible what you read there is not accurate.

As I’ve said before here, and everywhere else, I don’t think there are enough lamp posts on Pennsylvania Avenue to string up all the traitors in this administration and Congress. Because it’s death I want for them and I’m not even a bloodthirsty person. But we need to send a very clear message to the world and put a period at the end of this saga.

Someone just pointed out that Il Dookie is alone today on Christmas Eve with nothing around him but his phone and cable TV.

R251 - I have always been against the death penalty. But lately - I’m thinking the same fate as Mussolini and his mistress wouldn’t necessarily be a bad ending for trump and his whore. But that’s more a will of the people thing rather than a judicially imposed ending...

As for the rest of them - lock them up. No parole le. And strip all their assets - including any bullshit family trust arrangements. The only reason they can’t be tried for treason is that we’re not officially at war with Russia and the rest. But their behaviour is certainly treasonous nonetheless. Traitorous bastards need to suffer. No white collar resort prisons for them.

I don't think he's alone, his wife flew back to be with him. That's what I read...

Maybe the three ghosts will visit that POS tonight.

R252 - which is why he’ll be at his most dangerous. He’s mostly alone and bored - you think he and Melania really spend much time together? Or that they have anything in common to talk about? At Christmas - it’s not all about him. Which means He’ll be angry and paranoid and start tweeting up a storm. And you know the kind of damage that can do! The markets are already jittery - anything he tweets will just likely make it worse. If only someone could grab his fucking phone and flush it... to think the office of the president of the United States of America has come to this. Fucking disgusting.

Think DJT will go out and buy a goose and Melania will cook it?

Maybe he will eat his emotions and stuff down 10 big macs when he's alone.

Oh no, all alone on the holiday? Here, here's my

LOL R259, that's the best thing Timberlake ever did!

Oh no! McDonald's is closed on Christmas!

I'm curious to learn how far DL thinks Dems might be willIng to go to stop the shutdown? The Dreamers are on the table now. Wonder if they'll come off

Is anyone else having a ton of posts invisible to them on this thread? I only block Russian trolls (and that Matt the Loon creature from the Theatre Gossip threads). It seems like there is an increase in troll activity.

R262, no one can negotiate with Trump, he is too unstable. He caused the shutdown by blowing up a deal his own party had crafted.

r262, Trump lies. He is not to be trusted. He has agreed to terms before and then declined to sign.

He is playing a lose/lose game. Democrats do not have to do ANYTHING til January 3rd.

yes we know Trump lies. Not only him but 99% of all politicians do. Don't be fucking naive.

R267, do you not see the difference in number of lies? Trump hasn't gone a day while in office without telling at least one lie. His political "career" was based on a lie about Obama not being a U.S. citizen.

Trump’s water-carrier has returned at R267 !

I don't believe any politician. ever. they are all in it for themselves. Trump is worse than a regular corrupt politician. I hope the whole family goes to jail esp Jared.

OT, but I wonder what we’ll be talking about this time next year. Will the Royal Trump Turd still be in office? His brats on trial? Will Putin be physically moving into the WH? He lives there already, why not just move in. I can only hope that Senator Turtle and Eddie Munster will be chowing down on prison food.

I especially love your last sentence, r271.

ugh I hate holidays because the news just stops unless there's some terror attack, natural disaster or someone famous dies

I hope we get another investigation update before New Year's

I doubt there’ll be much if anything until the new year. Mueller is edging us.

Pence will be in for a hot minute after an impeachment so he can pardon them all. Paul Lyin' and McTurtle will suppress all the evidence of their NRA/Russian donated funding and squeak on by any legal punishment.

After the Iran/contra affair I have no fucking faith that this country will do the right thing until the Dems are completely in charge, and even then the banksters who engineered the 2007/2008 recession went completely unpunished by Obama's administration.

My deepest hope is that Mueller and others of that generation have the same disgust with the lack of accountability for these high crimes.

We're in for some hard times coming up and I hope everyone is hanging in there. I want immediate impeachment. We cannot handle this any longer.

Trump is at his weakest right now. No better time than now for Mueller's coup de grace.

[quote]I'd bet that most of the deplorables don't have stocks or 401k plans...

As deplorable as the deplorables are, the fact is that the vast majority of Americans have neither of those. Judging the economy by the stock market is a lie sold to all of us by the rich.

As far as the Supreme Court putting a stay on the subpoena until the full court can rule, does anyone know if they will have to write a public decision on it, either way?

No better time for Russia to invade Ukraine.

Exactly, R278. Trump is Putin's puppet and we can all see the strings.

This is not breaking gossip in the slightest but I have it on good authority that Bob Corker’s wife is NOT looking forward to him home all the time or whatever after leaving the Senate.

I can't be the only one who has noticed that Corker frequently has some kind of mark or blister on his lower lip

Yes, tonight of all nights would be a great time for Dump to be visited by some White House ghosts...Lincoln...Madison...FDR...JFK...etc. Washington never lived in the White House, but his spirit supposedly appeared to the Northern troops at a critical time during at Gettysburg, urging them on to save the republic. His ghost should appear ti Dumpiski to tell him what a national disgrace he is. Hell, Nixon's ghost could even show up to thank fat Donnie for making him look good by comparison!

Putin invade the Ukraine? Hell, we're so vulnerable now I wonder what might happen to us.

r282 actually I believe that Trump is already visited by some of them and they drive him crazy. Tapping him on the shoulder at different times and keeping him up at night. I think they are trying to get him out of there. I keep telling people they have no idea how much help we get from the other side. We're working this side and they are working that side.

He doesn't give a shit what George Washington thinks. Please.

For the young people in your life. Covered on Trumpcast today.

So he said he was going to take responsibility for the shutdown, but now he's shifted to it's the Dems fault (quel surprise), and is blaming the stock market on them, too. He really has not shame, and no other game than to bully and blame. He's even going on that trade wars are good - well they certainly just helped put a lot of auto workers out of jobs.

Shop blue.

well, r284, we'll take all the help we can get. In this world or the other side.

R158 and r161, Apparently you don't know that "crass" is a pejorative, either.

So you pretend to praise Pelosi while denigrating her. Interesting.

Is there a rumor that Dems are willing to throw in a billion or so toward the wall in exchange for DACA? If so, we really need to reconsider Pelosi/Schumer. Dump is baiting them to get his way cause he knows those two really want DACA. Again, they aren't representing their constituents! This is purely personal to them. I say HELL NO! Don't give Trump anything, nada, zilch...

R275, Neither Bill nor Obama were old-school Liberal Democrats. More like old-school Republicans.

Anyone who can be Buddy-Buddy with either (now late) Poppy or Dubya, with all their evil machinations, lies, and war-mongering; friendships/business partnerships with the Families Hinckley (think about that a second) and Bin Laden (the latter of Bush's Carlyle Group, currently bankrupting nursing homes across America); "allowing" at a minimum (read between the lines) (allegedly "out of the loop" former CIA Chief VP GHWB and "My Pet Goat" reader but ignorer of his PDBs Dubya) Iran/Contra and 9/11; and so on.... is not a hard-core Democrat.

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[quote]R275, Neither Bill nor Obama were old-school Liberal Democrats. More like old-school Republicans.

Take your Social Justice purity tests and shove them ungreased up your self-righteous ass, you sad, pathetic BernieBro.

[quote]The ones I know have been very up-to-date on "how much Trump has increased my 401k."

That’s a troll line that’s been circulated as a talking point and complete bullshit.

Sen. Claire McCaskill, the Missouri Democrat who was defeated in the midterm elections, is leaving Washington D.C. in a blaze of candor.

And in her latest exit remarks, in an interview with CNN, she blasted Republicans for refusing to stand up to President Donald Trump.

“Now they’ll tell you, if it’s just the two of you, ‘The guy is nuts, he doesn’t have a grasp of the issues, he’s making rash decisions, he’s not listening to people who know the subject matter,’ ” McCaskill said. “But in public if they go after him, they know they get a primary.”

“This is a completely different Republican party,” she said. “Now, I think history will judge some of my colleagues harshly that they didn’t stand up to this President at some of the moments where he has been unhinged about particularly the rule of law.”

McCaskill singled out Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Carolina, who has at times aligned with Trump: “It’s kind of weird to me, I don’t know what happened with Lindsey.”

“This is Donald Trump’s Republican Party,” she added. “Make no mistake about it.” “I mean, he’s almost the master of, ‘I’m going to do so much stuff that’s crazy that nobody notices crazy anymore,'” she said.

The senator also recalled — with the help of expletives — the halcyon days of October, when Kanye West made a White House cameo.

“I mean, Kanye West was in the Oval Office M-F—ing on live TV,” McCaskill said. “I mean, think about that. That is crazy weird. Can you imagine would have happened if that happened during the Obama years? … The lid would have blown off this place.”

Why does Lindsey Graham use a pic of Kavanaugh with himself as his Twitter account pic and the pic for screen ID on each tweet now?

That's weird.

Miss Linds definitely wants Kav's nubbin' of a cock up her blown-out, hemorrhoid covered asshole.

Trump tells NORAD caller believing in Santa at age 7 is "marginal"

"It's a disgrace what's happening in our country. But other than that, I wish everyone a Merry Christmas."

Now he just wants "a barrier" on the border.

Maybe if he put this on America's Amazon wish list, Mexico would have got this for him.

[quote]Is there a rumor that Dems are willing to throw in a billion or so toward the wall in exchange for DACA? If so, we really need to reconsider Pelosi/Schumer. Dump is baiting them to get his way cause he knows those two really want DACA. Again, they aren't representing their constituents!

They should insist on no border-fence funding, and now--since he wants to negotiate all of a sudden--make him sign the DACA provisions as well.

Just caught this little bit in a movie trivia page for Never Say Never Again:

During the closing credits, there's a "Thanks A.K." listed. This refers to Adnan Khashoggi, the Saudi arms dealer who allowed them to film aboard his 282 yacht, the "Nabila". [bold]He later sold this yacht to Donald Trump, who renamed it the "Trump Princess". It is currently owned by Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia. [/bold]

I can't stop singing "O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason!!". Thanks a lot, OP.

[quote]This refers to Adnan Khashoggi, the Saudi arms dealer who allowed them to film aboard his 282 yacht, the "Nabila". He later sold this yacht to Donald Trump, who renamed it the "Trump Princess". It is currently owned by Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia.

Adnan Khashoggi's nephew has been in the news recently, since October 2. You may have heard.

Alwaleed, a nephew of the current, addled, king--and cousin of enfant terrible and Jared bestie Mohammed bin Salman--was released from imprisonment in the Riyadh Ritz Carlton after paying $6 billion. His dad just died.

This is the milieux of Individual-1.

The yacht inspired a song by Queen, "Khashoggi's Ship."

R303, money laundering?

Yup, dip that head and make your Master look bigger. Bow down, slave.

He disgusts me so much. Both of them.

That picture makes me stabby, R307.

[quote]Take your Social Justice purity tests and shove them ungreased up your self-righteous ass, you sad, pathetic BernieBro.

I will be pasting this all over twitter and FB for the next two years.

Russian tool

It appears another kid has died in ICE custody.

Oh yeah, rich people who lose their stock money, might make a difference. God knows, any other, actual crime is not important. Treason? No big deal.

Super hard, in the face of such hypocrisy and criminality, not to be a cynic, R312. I'm pretty sure Mueller, like Judge Sullivan, doesn't take treason lightly.

It's not technically treason if we're not at war with the particular foreign power, is it?

Yes, that's true, R314, technically......in the court of public opinion it is otherwise.

He took money from Russia and Saudi Arabia while he was involved in his campaign, he has taken money from Saudi Arabia which effects our troops and the Kurds in Syria. It seems like treason to me.

I would say we are at war. It is just an unconventional cyber war

[Quote] Is there a rumor that Dems are willing to throw in a billion or so toward the wall in exchange for DACA? If so, we really need to reconsider Pelosi/Schumer. Dump is baiting them to get his way cause he knows those two really want DACA. Again, they aren't representing their constituents! This is purely personal to them. I say HELL NO! Don't give Trump anything, nada, zilch...

Divisive Troll Alert!

At one point Trump agreed to a bill that would give him a lot of money for the wall, if he would agree to protect Dreamers. Then he went back on his word. He is a disgusting racist.

After the new Congress is sworn in, aren't there 53 R's? Trump could pressure Mitch Mc Turtle could pull the "nuclear" option. Whatever the Russians have on Trump, they have on Mitch, Miss Lindsay and Paul Ryan among others...

There's no reason they couldn't have done it already.

Mitch has been quite reluctant to go nuclear with Senate votes. He's corrupt AF but he's not stupid.

[quote]There's no reason they couldn't have done it already.

No, there's some reason they haven't done it already.

[quote]After the new Congress is sworn in, aren't there 53 R's? Trump could pressure Mitch Mc Turtle could pull the "nuclear" option.

Trump already asked Mitch to use the nuclear option. Mitch said no.

The Republicans have had two years to fund the wall and haven’t. They don’t actually want it. That want the fight over it because it keeps their racist base riled up, but they don’t actually want the wall.

GOP politics are heavy on distraction.

Yes, R323, it's the awareness that the same will be done to them if and when we ever regain control.

I believe the Nuclear Option only applies to Senate rules.

The 60 vote majority is mandated by the Budget Law. The Law would have to be amended.

DEMs won't budge over the 1.6B. That's what they agreed to.

Do government shut downs ever lead to what they hope they will lead to?

R319, trump would have gotten $25 BILLION for border security if he promised to protect the Dreamers.

First Trump said yes and then no. And now he’s arguing over $1.6 billion

[quote]First Trump said yes and then no. And now he’s arguing over $1.6 billion

They should drop it down to $1 billion then let him fight for $1.3 billion so he can claim he won.

Well, he is a complete idiot. I cannot believe that his supposed “brand” during the campaign was being this amazing deal maker / negotiator. He is literally awful at it.

[quote]I believe the Nuclear Option only applies to Senate rules. The 60 vote majority is mandated by the Budget Law. The Law would have to be amended.

Reconciliation bills for budgets/spending are passed with a simple majority of 51.

[quote]They should drop it down to $1 billion then let him fight for $1.3 billion so he can claim he won.

They should give him nothing.

People don't want this. Not even Republican Senators want it. We're not going to pay for it.

No matter what the outcome, he will still say he won the wall while simultaneously saying Democrats want to issue engraved invitations to foreign rapists, and the idiot chorus will believe it and look for clues about Michelle Obama's impending arrest.

They should just proceed as if they were in control of it all, so people can start imagining what a normal government looks like.

Trump has never been a “great” negotiator. He’s never been even a great businessman. He started with $400 billion, which gets him a lot of yes men.

Everything Trump has ever done has been wrapped in fraud

Hear, Hear, R334.

He'll only use whatever monies he manages to get to claim 'victory over the Democrats' while the rest of the party he belongs to continue to whine about 'partisanship' every fucking time a bill comes up they don't like.

Don't budge, Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Schumer.

The nuclear option won’t matter once the house is Democratic. This last budget bill was the time to use it.

Sorry, meant to add—if Republicans could even get to 51 with the current makeup of the Senate. 51 vs. 53 Republicans in the Senate doesn’t matter much.

[quote]Everything Trump has ever done has been wrapped in fraud

Everyone forgets Trump tried to run a football team.

Failed.

[quote]The nuclear option won’t matter once the house is Democratic. This last budget bill was the time to use it.

It does matter for appointee confirmations though, judicial and administration.

What will you do to make a Democratic-controlled Senate happen in the 2020 elections?

Oh dear, that's terrible to see the great Doug Flutie with that animal. I'm glad he finally moved on.

Still, the pundits, especially most conservative ones, say the Dems are "rigid" and won't budge. WHAT? The repugs never budge and if they don't get their way, they cheat or change the rules. Every time.

I think we've all learned, by now, to ignore these 'pundits' being paid by media monopoly oligarchs. Their polls suck, too.

Trump wil do to Republicans what Iraq did to Hillary. A tactical alliance becames a strategic blunder. Support of Trump will haunt Lindsey and others for the rest of their lives. Starting 2019 or 2020.

Won't matter for the Senatrice. The blue/purple state R's will have a tougher time.

Looking at you, Pat Toomey.

Unfortunately, Pat Toomey isn’t up for re-election until 2022.

I was just wondering... whatever happened to Omarosa. She promised us tapes and then nada.

I'm sure she was paid off.

r349 Unless she is waiting to be the 1,000th cut.

I can’t believe that he has managed to out Santa Claus as make believe for all the children out there. He literally has no bottom. There is not one tradition or norm he won’t dishonor or degrade.

Including the tradition of not fucking your own daughter. An absolute pig of a human being.

[quote]He literally has no bottom.

Have you seen his ass?

Oddly, and strangely, R351, this may be the bridge too far for the trump supporting mommy squads of republican handmaidens. No one messes with their handfelted ornaments of Santa! No one messes with their carefully crafted traditions of delusion and grandeur. This is going to get ugly.

.....thats if rightwing media reports it at all.....

Nancy delivers more immaculate shade ...

[quote]"First of all, the fact ... that he says, ‘We're going to build a wall with cement, and Mexico's going to pay for it’ while he's already backed off of the cement—now he's down to, I think, a beaded curtain or something, I'm not sure where he is."

[quote]now he's down to, I think, a beaded curtain or something

Speaker Nancy just won the shutdown.

Lol @ beaded curtain.

This bitch ruining Christmas for a 7-year-old is amazing. The one time you should actually lie for some good and he can't?

My Trump-voting father just said, “I’m worried about our president. He is not...all there.”

His supporters are finally noticing something is way off about this asshole.

Glad he admitted it, R359. I expect 95% of them to go down with the Trumptanic.

Thanks for the gift, R359. Hope your dad recovers his sanity soon.

I was right, R354, this story is blowing up all over the place. The Youtube video has gone viral.

Big extended family Christmas the last few days, and I heard:

My niece's uneducated Trump-voting mother-in-law state how Trump is stupid, especially about that wall. "What an idiot!" Of course, she did say, "Those Mexicans can slip through anything" but she was making it clear she is over Trump.

My MAGA hat uncle did not wear his MAGA hat and acted like he'd always thought Trump was a fool. His 24 year old son is not out of the closet to him yet (to me, of course, he is, as well as the rest of the world including his mother, my uncle's ex-wife) but my uncle "knows" his son is gay and this has most likely started swaying him around.

My sister always denied voting for Trump but I know she did. She's very influenced by the rich people she works with. Well, those people have started treating her like peon trash (and she's a vice president in their bank!) so she's realized that THEY don't give a fuck about US. She was constantly trashing Trump the last few days and making sure I heard her saying that she voted for Beto and straight ticket Democratic Party in November!

My 26 year old niece used to be a Colby Keller type wanting it all burned down, blah blah blah. Typical Millennial. BernieBitch. But in the last two years since that horrid election, she's changed into a true Liberal and actually caring about other people finally. She was making fun of the QAnon people she used to hang out with online. She's especially infuriated with Trump about the wall and the children being hurt.

SOME people are seeing what the world is really like and how Trump has affected their lives negatively. And they are waking up.

thanks for the scoop, r363.

Hopefully they will stay awake (not quite woke yet) and not vote this idiot or any other rethug.

The loss of the MAGAt hat is a good sign.

Oh, I forgot: My MAGA hat uncle told some joke and I always cringe listening to him tell them (or walk away) since they are always about stupid libruls, Crooked Hillary, etc. Well, last night he told a joke where the punchline was basically that Trump is far worse than Hillary.

I don't remember the joke to retell it here properly. Again, I think he was saying that joke as a signal to me that I didn't need to avoid him the whole time like I mostly have at these get-togethers the last two years.

R363, damn! You are surrounded by trash. Why are you even spending time with them?

Cut the cord already.

[quote]Lol @ beaded curtain.

Colbert said it last week.

Is Roger Stone offering to appear in Sling TV commercials?

R290 you’ve got me pegged wrong. I called Nancy a cunt because I occasionally use that word as a badge of honor. Right now, Nancy is the cuntiest cunt who ever cunted — that’s exactly what we need. You misunderstood my (somewhat sloppy) post. Nancy is my queen, and she is going to be one of the key leaders in the transition from the Trump disaster to the post-Trump Reconstruction.

R294, You are a dope. I happen to be a great fan of the Big Dawg, meeting him at rallies thrice, getting autograph. Obama was stymied a lot, true, but I think he squandered a chance to help the Middle Class in the face of illegal foreclosures, e.g. Also, he downplayed the legacy of FDR.

I think Bernie is exactly as parodied on SNL: a cranky old man who sees only an unreachable forest while ignoring the trees of workable reality.

R369 - I’m in awe of Pelosi too! One part of me feels bad that her and RBG have been fighting hard all their lives - you’d think they could just have a break! - they certainly deserve it! But I think there’s such a mess to try and fix - it’ll take a while! - and feelb they’re both doomed to die in the saddle so to speak. Not fair - but then life is not fair...

And I suspect that really - neither of them would have it any other way.

We’re in good hands with ‘em - but I hope they have some time to think about succession planning and nurturing and teaching some of the emerging talent. There are some amazing new people - but they need to be trained in the marinations of Washington DC. Fingers crossed!

AOC Stan at R371 pretending to like Nancy.

ok xmas over...will we get ANY new investigation(s) news before Monday, or we'll have to wait until next Wednesday? I'm ready for Stone and Corsi to celebrate the new year in style by getting indicted

R372 - R371 here!

Nah - actually sincere. Pelosi is one of the most experienced people in Congress - and understands the levers and mechanisms of power better than just about anyone on either side. It comes with the territory of growing up in a political family.

And I’m genuinely excited about the mix of talent that’s coming onboard since the midterms. I’m sick of government being run by faceless men in suits who have legal and banking backgrounds and interests and put corporate special interests above people. I wanna eventually see a fifty/fifty gender split in Congress. And a much broader range of ages and cultural backgrounds. Old straight white guys have had the reins of power for too long. Time for change.

The “marginal” story shows up in my news feed this morning with an article in People.

This showed up in my news feed: Did a Queens Podiatrist Help Donald Trump Avoid Vietnam?

In the fall of 1968, Donald J. Trump received a timely diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels that led to his medical exemption from the military during Vietnam.

The podiatrist, Dr. Larry Braunstein, died in 2007. But his daughters say their father often told the story of coming to the aid of a young Mr. Trump during the Vietnam War as a favor to his father.

Elysa Braunstein said the implication from her father was that Mr. Trump did not have a disqualifying foot ailment. “But did he examine him? I don’t know,” she said.

He’s a fucking coward.

Yep, that’s the kind of place I’d go for “foot surgery”.

I'm sure that's exactly the sort of swanky place really rich people go to when they need "foot surgery."

The article at R376 is why I keep coming back to this thread. Of course he was paid off. The daughter sounds like she was waiting until her father was dead to reveal this. Either that, or the media wasn't inclined to explore the possibility that he 'cheated' this like he cheats everything else.

Ding ding ding!!! Give the lady her prize at r380!!! She wins with “the media wasn’t inclined!!!!!”

So, are any republicans trying to force out Mike Pence, with an eye to installing a Gerald Ford-type to step into place when Trump is impeached?

The podiatrist leased his sleazy looking space from Fred Trump. My guess would be he never needed to pay his rent again. That kind of info shouldn't be that hard to find? NYT maybe?

[quote]The daughter sounds like she was waiting until her father was dead to reveal this. Either that, or the media wasn't inclined to explore the possibility that he 'cheated' this like he cheats everything else.

It's O.K. to just say you didn't read the article.

I didn't read the article. I could care less how the motherfucker managed to escape a war where my favorite uncle got killed. I read the headline and the synopsis only. Not typical, but at this point I'm burnt out on this asshole's cheating and lying.

Show me an article where they're contemplating impeachment and I'll read it end to end, promise.

Interesting comment from a Conservative client today. I work in the financial industry and had to make a follow-up call to to our initial conversation about markets and credit. The second time he answered he asked "Are you calling me to say that the President has shut his mouth? That he's resigned?"

Second kind-of-related story: My Brother-in-law, a Trump supporter, has been remodeling his kitchen and bathroom. Tore it all out in September to pour another pier, re-run plumbing and electricity, etc. Now that it is time to buy appliances and flooring, he also wishes DJT would shut the fuck up as tariffs could cost him 30% more. I'm sure he'd vote for Trump again.

AP -

Trump in Iraq on first visit to troops in troubled region

WP -

Analysis: The end of the Mueller investigation is near! No, really. Anytime now.

There can't be any troops in Iraq who think it's a good idea to fuck the Kurds over.

Should be an interesting vacation for Melisandre and Individual-1, who last month said he didn't see the point in visiting troops.

You know it's killing him just to muster up that rictus-like "smile" at R387.

Damn...I hate it when tRump actually does something pResidential.

So we're supposed to applaud this asshole finally doing something decent? You know his motives weren't pure. He did this to get some good coverage.

He went over in person to tell them "It's a disgrace - Merry Christmas"

no, he did it to distract from fucking up that Santa Claus phone call.

That was a gimme and he couldn't even manage THAT.

I hope he gets booed in Iraq. He will campaign there thinking it is one of his precious rallies. This after pulling the rug from order our Kurdish allies and firing mattis who was very popular with the troops.

He is fucking retarded.

Just wait, within a day will come the leaked reports of his staff having to force him on the plane and then him complaining that the military didn't cheer loud enough for him.

Hey, boys, look how fucking hot my wife is. Want to be in the selfie with us? The brown person can hold the camera, while my white boys grin with me. I'm the greatest CINC ever!

From the Twitterverse:

ATTENTION JOURNALISTS:

If Trump is secretly en route to visit troops, ask if he will be returning to DC or FL.

The trip will be cover to get to Mar-a-Lago NYE party where tickets were sold guaranteeing access to the president.

He would be using the troops as a distraction.

Two things I’m thankful for this year:

Our new incoming blue Congress, and Mueller’s investigation.

Can you imagine not having both, and watching Trump completely unbridled with little accountability for his actions for the next two years.

LOL at the fake bomber jacket that wouldn't zip up over that gunt of his. The dangly red tie would still show even if he could.

This is interesting...

The Wall Street Journal reports that Whitaker claimed the “Academic All-American” title for himself on a résumé he composed in 2014, on the biography for the website of his former law firm, and also on a 2010 application for an Iowa judgeship.

Ted Lieu on Twitter:

Dear Matt Whitaker (@MattWhitaker46): If you haven't been fired, please be prepared to answer the following under oath:

-Why lie about being an Academic All-American?

-Why did you ignore DOJ ethics official?

-Where does Constitution say @POTUS can't be indicted?

[quote]no, he did it to distract from fucking up that Santa Claus phone call. That was a gimme and he couldn't even manage THAT.

They better not ever try to put him in a photo op with a dog, because you know he'd kick the puppy.

Look I'm in Iraq!

Do bone spurs just . . . go away?

Does he still have them, and that's why he can't walk?

Are we sure he's in Iraq and not in some studio with actors pretending to be in iraq? I demand to see his long-form travel documents of that trip!

He's not very good with animals is he, r402?

[quote]The trip will be cover to get to Mar-a-Lago NYE party where tickets were sold guaranteeing access to the president.

If he goes to MAL, he might find his reception somewhat different now.

I’m selfish for saying this, but I HATE that he is over there.

I hate it because it’s purely a p.r. stunt, and reason for his base to say shit like; “Ahh, you see, look at my wonderful president.” Puke.

Remember before Thanksgiving when he said he doesn't believe troops should be in Afghanistan or Iraq--and thqt going there would "validate" missions he doesn't like?

Pres Bone Spurs will be back any day to wreck the stock market again.

I never thought in my life I'd see a Pres act like he did over Christmas. He is the lowest of low class. Pure trash.

omg. HURRY MUELLER! I'm turning grey already! ffs!

Reuters reports Trump's next stop en route home from Iraq is Ramstein Air Base in Germany.

Trump leaves the country; the stock market rises. Coincidence?

r413 When he is hanged for treason it will go through the roof!

Thats because they think hes defecting.

Moscow is lovely in the snow, I hear...

r416 Because it buries the stink and trash underneath?

Poor Russians, they suck at everything and were lucky to get the stupidest dope in the land to run as Pres.

R391 sure is CONCERNED.

As is R408.

SO "Presidential!"

Good read r417.

At R417 Cheeto be like, "HELLO-AY! HOLD-AY ON-AY!"

Go suck a diseased cock R419

Your troll-dar is grossly out of calibration.

- R 408

People can see that he’s just using the military as a prop.

He should go to Afghanistan but he's too much of a coward.

Why didn’t he go to Syria to hold a victory parade?

I wonder who drew the short straw to come tell Donny that he needed to go to Iraq. Stephen Miller perhaps? We all know how afraid he is of active war zones.

I'd rather have seen him fly into an actual combat zone. What a coward.

I thought he ended up going to visit the troops because of all his recent bad publicity and that Haberman had clued in his press secretary in advance about the NYT draft dodging, bone spurs story,today.But I think the other theory stated somewhere up above, about his doing it also as a dodge, to return after the trip to Mar a Lago, instead of D.C. is probably the right explanation., If he goes to Mar a Lago it means he doesn’t have to return the New Year’s Eve exorbitant ticket money to the swells. Or it could be killing two birds with one stone. We shall soon see, I guess.

Supposedly the trip has been in the works about 6 weeks, or when Donny got flak for his piss poor behavior before and on Veteran's Day.

He said they had to turn out all the lights on Air Force One!

Is it true he was on the ground in Iraq for 3 hours? And then he was out of there!

Tough choice Moscow with Putty & the Pee Pee girls, or take chances & retire in Mar-a-Lago? Oh wait, there may be a lien on Mar-a-Lago for unpaid back taxes.

R429 I think that's bullshit.

Something forced them to go there last minute. Either as distraction or because he was getting heat for being the only person in that position in however many years to not go... or whatever. They were forced to go.

There is no way in hell that Iraq visit has been planned for six weeks. They’re lying as usual.

Barron is at Mar-a-Lago. I bet they use that as the excuse to fly there. Melania flew down with him last Friday, then flew back to Washington without him. That should have been a clue! I wonder who looks after him? I don't think his siblings give a damn.

Could it be some sort of spy drop-off by a third party on behalf of Putin? Like, Trump got the message to go there knowing it is “above suspicion”, and meets a contact?

Exactly why this wasn't a planned trip to Iraq. It's in response to the podiatrist faking it for him news.

Why would Melanie fly to Maralardass and then back if this shit was planned?

His supporters, what he has left at this point, are stupid to believe it.

Haven't seen that much leather in a jacket (tRump in Germany/Iraq) since Hermann Göring wore same.

Melanias parents are at MarALago

In addition to Melania flying back and forth from Mara Lago, wasn't it announced that PPG was taking 16 days off, before that got scuttled since Rush and Anne dared him into causing a shutdown.

So yeah, the whole "this was planned 6 weeks ago thing" is a complete lie.

It is amazing how stupid they think the American people are, and you would think that at some point they would figure out that when they make announcements, and say things on video that there is evidence of what they said.

You mean those chain immigrants given a waiver for the normal waiting period for citizenship, R438? The whole family is grifting off of the US taxpayers and I'm tired of it. We pay for the security and travel for them, the grown up, RICH son and daughter and her family, even fucking Huckabeast who got all afraid after getting called out for repeated lying.

We need to demand reimbursement for this excessive bullshit, the hotel bills for the SS, and particularly when the First Whore was staying NYC during her little tantrum about not going to DC.

Because he outgrew his victory uniform eons ago, R425.

R442, I’m sure Trump will have zero problems with this whatsoever.

“Don’t we want to have a good relationship with RUSHER?”

If it weren't for those darn bone spurs, Tump may have been a great General.

This thread keeps blocking posts, but it bears mentioning that the "Russian hypersonic nuclear missile" is 250% quadruple-distilled horseshit. Russia is broke, and it's much cheaper to fuck with a country via hackers & professional trolls.

Dotard is not trying to detract from the Bone Spurs outing. He doesn't care about that. There has to be something else he's desperately worried about.

Don't be so sure, R445. They've focused their limited resources into investigating and weaponizing sonic and optic applications and you never underestimate a military opponent.

If ol' Bone spurs can believe North Korea is capable of ICBM launches (which they aren't), he'd better believe this, BS or not.

I'll reserve judgment on the reality of these weapons when our former allies confirm it. I can't trust anything coming out of this administration.

I think it’s a Putin-requested assignation.

How coincidental that Putin just announced a new nuclear weapon today. It’s optics.

Well that's the thing innit, R447? We don't know, and Putin plays off that.

I suspect it's total horseshit, but I'll admit that's speculation without evidence. But it's a lot cheaper to scare enemies with vaporware weapons you pretend to build, yes?

And if Putin's built weapons the West has no defense against there's not much to be done except surrender, is there?

We should have built the Death Star while we had the chance.

Hardly, R450. I think our IC has known for quite some time and that we've got our own arsenal of such weapons.

I don’t like this Cortez chick. Notice how she exclusively attacks democrats. There are plenty of repugs the deserve her ire.

Hear me out. I just don’t trust anyone right now. Especially people who come out of nowhere. She just has an aura about her that I don’t like. She reminds me of Jill stein.

Could be totally wrong here but it smells fishy. Would be nice to know more about her background and path to her current position.

Agree re AOC r453. I'm not in her district, but it would be nice if some of her constituents would light up her office line with some complaints of "stop attacking your own party and get busy on the Repubs, we're at a crisis point here". Seriously she need to use her platform right not to help her own, and take down this menace we're experiencing.

If she's going after Democrats, she needs to be quiet....on the other hand, if someone like the former Dem Senator from Missouri puts a shot across her bow, she has every damn right to respond. I do hope she stops reacting to all of this and develops a thicker skin.

I just realized that it's been exactly a year since the first continuation of these threads that I made.

R432 et al, Planned for 6 weeks is not the same as the idea for the trip started 6 weeks ago. No doubt it was accelerated for Trump's convenience, but it must have been in the works.

They really can't pull off trips like this at the last minute. Especially not with military in a war zone. So even though they likely haven't been planning this specific day-after-Christmas trip for 6 weeks, they've been working on logistics, personnel, etc. for a while.

I have no doubt believing that 6 weeks ago his handlers said "OK, no matter how much he screams, we have to make a military trip happen" and just started working on it, figuring they'd convince him when the time came. How it went down since then, who knows. I'd have no problem believing they snuck him a sedative to get him on the plane. Or maybe he screamed "get me a good photo op!" and they said "oh, we have the PERFECT idea ready to go!"

Thank you, wonderful OP! You have kept the fire burning, R456. AND havr continued when I would have given up in despair. Always witty, and you always provide topical titles and old links. You’re a star.

I hope one day there is no need due to Trump being in prison.

[quote]I'd rather have seen him fly into an actual combat zone. What a coward.

He was really scared of the plane that was dark inside.

"I've been on a lot of planes, a lot planes of all different types, and have never seen anything like that."

"Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7)" was started on December 26, 2017.

Oh god, why won’t he die already?

Watching Nancy sitting behind Cher at the Kennedy Center Honors just makes me HAPPY!

R460, I remember you mentioning your spreadsheet before (I think you mentioned it in the context of how fast threads went).

Do you mind me asking you what you’re measuring, or trying to measure?

I hope Thursday or Friday we get some juicy news. Today was so boring!

They didn't go to Florida, but just landed on the White House lawn. It's still dark out, and Melisandre is wearing sunglasses and what appears to be an green elf costume.

AOC seems like a Mannchurian candidate.

She’s there to spread dissention before her real agenda starts.

AOC got behind Nancy when white male Dems were signing letters against Pelosi as Speaker. So there.

Yes, I think AOC is just very naïve, and has become drunk on populism.

So is fatass in Florida or D.C. Now?

[quote]I'd rather have seen him fly into an actual combat zone.

I'd rather have seen him fly into a volcano.

If you saw the negative Beto thread, Muriel redlined the guy and outed him as a dissent spreader posting from Brazil.

But no trolls here, right? Just healthy differences of opinion.

I'm talking about the thread-started, not the writer of the opinion piece.

Muriel knows the shit trying to get pulled here, even when we have Trump's and Putin's water-carriers ALL OVER these Mueller threads.

[Quote] Russian trolls using a VPN. See, and some people doubt the existence of Russian trolls on here..

Thanks Muriel! Keep it up!

NBC: Probe of Trump's charity could crash 'like a Mack Truck' into his real estate empire

The New York state investigations into the Trump Foundation "charity" could envelop the president's namesake business.

"Nothing but overlap here. It all was held so tightly by he and his family members," NBC News/MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirschner, a former federal prosecutor, told NBC News.

"I don't think there will be any investigative daylight between what the New York state authorities and investigators are looking into with respect to the foundation vs. the organization vs. anything else involving business dealings that have the name 'Trump' attached to them," he said, predicting that the foundation investigation will "crash through (the Trump Organization) like a Mack Truck."

So, Cohen's phone apparently pinged outside of Prague in summer 2016.

Interesting that this tidbit is coming out now.

Damn Mark Burnett

Mark Burnett should be Chief of Staff.

Trump and his White House ass lickers revealed covert Navy Seal deployment in Iraq. I wonder how Fox News is going to spin this.

so again why has Lanny Davis been saying that Cohen was not in Prague if we're finding out his cell phone pinged from there? Did Cohen lie to Davis? or why would Davis lie if he knew?

r480 Lawyers are allowed to repeat their client's lies. That is what they get paid for.

So csoace-cadet bone spurs blew the security of a navy seal operation...Saying he is an incompetent idiot such an UNDERSTATEMENT. He is a mormon, a crook, a traitor, and a COMPLETE DISGRACE.

What I find disgusting is how essentially unchanged these numbers are. He had a dreadful, awful December. And, yet, those foolish 40 percent still support this lying traitor.

Technically, if the phone was "outside of" Prague, maybe Davis considered that the same as not being in Prague. Splitting hairs.

I'm curious to see how Fox handles this. They've been dropping little anti-Trump bread crumbs - railing against the decision to withdraw from Syria, and saying the wall will never be built because of the eminent domain problems. They've stuck by their anti-Mueller crusade (probably because the Mueller investigation is bigger than Trump), so I'm curious how they will handle Cohen.

I wonder if this is Cohen is what trying to hide. Remember, Mueller/New York prosecutor team said he is not disclosing all and they are not sure that he is telling the truth about everything. The press kept saying there is something big that Cohen is afraid of disclosing and he is willing to go to prison instead. I bet that is about Prague. This would be a big time crime on his part as well. But I would imagine he could still be charged?

That Cohen/Prague article is Juicy! How "for real" is McClatchy? Does their stuff get picked up elsewhere?

What is Cohen supposed to have done in Prague?

^ Met with Russians in 2016 before the election

Cheeto claims most furloughed government workers are Democrats, so this works out very well for them.

Cohen allegedly met with the Russians to discuss paying off the Clinton hackers and covering up Carter Page and Paul Manaforts' relationships with Russia, or something like that.

One reason Cohen could have to lie is to cover up for treason. Do we actually have to be at war with a foreign nation in order for it to be treason?

I think the 18 minute gap on the Nixon tapes was when he was talking about sabotaging the Paris Peace talks. That was an act of treason and it is a capital offense.

Trump would have been asked to comment on the Cohen article. Wonder when they contacted him.

r485 it isn't just Russia. remember Cohen knows all the crap about Trump and Trump is heavily mob involved. If I were Cohen I would be scared too because he has to watch his back from the left and the right (not political). Trump was never involved with anything good.

I’m surprised that TrumpCo hasn’t tried to have Michael Cohen killed.

I believe Cohen has a lot of shit he wants to stay hidden. And his biggest challenge is to compartmentalize what to reveal and what could make matters worse for him (and getting him, and his family, killed?).

[quote]I think the 18 minute gap on the Nixon tapes was when he was talking about sabotaging the Paris Peace talks. That was an act of treason and it is a capital offense.

Of course the Nixon tapes had to have been archived.

With the incredible advances in technology since Nixon’s presidency, do you suppose they’ve been able to somehow extract the content of those 18 minutes?

Trump couldn't fire Kelly for the longest time because Kelly was the guy who fired people. So, Trump couldn't ask Cohen to fix this situation, because Cohen was the fixer.

All I care about is Trump doing a perp walk.

Interesting, R498.

[quote]With the incredible advances in technology since Nixon’s presidency, do you suppose they’ve been able to somehow extract the content of those 18 minutes?

It's been tried without success.

what if Cohen were in Prague Talking to the Russians about fat Donnie and also for his own family's business?

Isn't his wife Russian? And isn't her family alleged to have mob ties? What if he was killing two birds with one stone and taking care of fat Donnie's Carter page business AND some of his own family business?

Maybe that's what he is lying about and trying to keep hidden. His own family dirt to protect his wife and kids.

The dossier said that Cohen was accompanied by three colleagues to Prague. Assuming it's true, I wonder who the three colleagues were.

And I think it was only a couple weeks after this that JaVanka made their mysterious trip to Croatia.

[quote] I’m surprised that TrumpCo hasn’t tried to have Michael Cohen killed.

I'm surprised A LOT of these people haven't been offed.

Sorry, I got the timeline wrong. The Republican convention was July 18-21, 2016. On July 27, Trump publicly asked Russia for help getting Hillary Clinton's emails, and the same day, Russians attempted to access Clinton campaign accounts. JaVanka were in Croatia around August 16. Cohen was allegedly in Prague in late August or early September, to talk about the hackers laying low.

R501 Cohen's wife is Ukrainian.

Cohen is definitely still hiding something.

R506 - agreed. I think Cohen wants to give prosecutors the goods on the Trump related stuff - but they want him to spill on everything he knows about everything else - Trump’s various schemes weren’t the only nefarious stuff he was involved with - and while he’ll rat on Trump - he’s not prepared to rat on his father-in-law, the Russian mob guy with oligarch connections - and all the other Goodfellas.

Trump is one thing - but he’s not gonna give up his family - and will take jail time instead. Guess he’s hoping his Trump info will be so useful that it’ll offset him betraying his own - at least to a great extent. He’ll do some time - but at least he won’t die in prison - and no one he’s related to or friends with will be gunning for him when he emerges.

Pence must be doing a jig this morning.

Why, r508? What did I miss?

What makes you think that Pence isn’t quivering in his boots with each new Trump revelation?

Not sure I buy Cohen in Prague to pay off the hackers. I believe he was in Prague, but there must be something else. I mean why would they pay the hackers? Trump doesn't pay anyone. Why wouldn't Putin or one of the Ogliarchs pick up the check for the hacking? Aren't the hackers part of the Russian's KGB? I'm under the impression that those guys dont freelance.

r503 I think because they are too much in the spotlight. as long as no one squeals on them they will not get involved.

There's a lot of Russian mob (and mob-adjacent) trash in the Tri-State area. No surprise Trump and Cohen and the Kushners are in balls deep,

Isn’t it the NY State Prosecutors that we’re claiming Cohen hasn’t been fully cooperative? Mueller’s office was quite complimentary of how helpful he’s been.

Also, remember how Lanny Davis gave an interview months ago saying Cohen had proof of Trump collusion? Then within a day, he retracted it completely?

I suspect the Prague story is true and already verified by Cohen to Mueller. But Mueller doesn’t want that info public yet so he came down hard on Lanny Davis the first time. That’s why Lanny won’t confirm the Prague story now.

[Quote] Not sure I buy Cohen in Prague to pay off the hackers.

Sowing the seeds of dissent...

The article is really interesting. So it was foreign intelligence agencies who intercepted/gathered some of this info. McClatchy has always been solid. They have been working on this story for a long time.

R516 here. ^I do see the link above, but most of you guys haven't read it. Good stuff.

[quote]I wonder how Fox News is going to spin this.

Hey, have you heard about Hillary's emails?

[quote]I'm curious to see how Fox handles this.

Why aren't Hillary's emails being investigated?

R511, the money wasn’t necessary for the hacking operation’s actual work — the hackers asked for money to make sure that Trump was fully implicated in the hacking. Russia’s overall goal was to make sure that Trump could be blackmailed.

[quote]AOC got behind Nancy when white male Dems were signing letters against Pelosi as Speaker. So there.

That was never really a serious thing.

R514 makes a ton of sense.

Did anyone get the email from Bernie Sanders with the subject line, "If I Run..."

And in it he goes on to say that "Corporate Democrats" are out to get him and smear his name and are stealing his ideas like Medicare for All , Affordable college, etc?

Talk about sowing divisiveness.

I want to know what it took to drag Vairst Leddy back from FL to DC in the first place.

That plus Trump's desperate posts, staged pics, the Santa phone bank and last-minute hop over to Iraq make me think there is someone or something cracking the whip. He's peddling fast and hard.

Is it actually from Bernie, r522, or is it spam (which smells faintly of vodka and beets)?

$24M, r523

[quote] Trump doesn't pay anyone.

He sure pays pornstars and Playboy models.

[quote] He sure pays pornstars and Playboy models.

Not with his own money. He lets his business partners deal with that and then screws them over in their deals as a thank you.

It's actually from Bernie, R524. I've been getting emails from his campaign since 2016. Funnily enough, I had no idea why or how I got on their email list and then it dawned on me... they probably got my email from when they totally didn't steal HRC's DB info.

R527, as far as I understood, the Trump company reimbursed Michael Cohen for paying Stormy and the other/s. So the money did come from Trump. Cohen just set up for him a complicated payment scheme with LLCs as intermediaries in order to cover up the source of money as much as possible.

Yeah the fact that Bone Spurs paid Cohen back for the Stormy stuff is what makes it a problem for him.

The Dems need to be united like never before. No going after other Dems (leftist, moderates, centrists, socialists, corporate). We all need to be a wall (that Mexico will not pay for) against the inevitable push back conservatives will do once the Mueller report drops especially if it snags conservative orgs like Heritage, NRA, FNC, Evangelical mega-churches and high ranking repugs.

It is so nice to be on this site where trolls are so easily spotted and dispatched.

Cohen is fucked. Trump is fucked. Javanka is fucked. Uday & Qusay are fucked. They’re literally all boxed in.

[quote]Did anyone get the email from Bernie Sanders with the subject line, "If I Run..." And in it he goes on to say that "Corporate Democrats" are out to get him and smear his name and are stealing his ideas like Medicare for All , Affordable college, etc? Talk about sowing divisiveness.

I'd send something saucy to his Senate press officer, and copy the Burlington paper pointing out that those are American ideas, not Sanders's intellectual property; asking why an Independent is trying to sow divisiveness in the Democratic party; mentioning that everyone I talk to is over Bernie; and wondering what he's raising money for since he had no chance of mounting a credible campaign for President.

Couple messages like that will get noticed.

That story about Falwell Jr and the poolboy slipped from view pretty quickly - but I suspect it’ll become more important down the line.

Remember - Falwell was one of the first - if not the very first - of the evangelicals to really boost for the Cheeto - and Cohen was involved in the poolboy payoff in some capacity. Clearly Falwell was being blackmailed. Who knows how much dirty laundry they had on others as well - sex drugs - or just lots and lots of money! - you know that so many key players were blackmailed into cooperating - and still are.

Hope we get to here more about this!

Does anyone feel like we've truly turned the corner on this mess? I do. I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. It seems his crimes and those around him are finally going to get what they deserve.

I'm not a poolboy, I'm a hotel owner pursuing a degree in Real Estate Finance and Development at Georgetown!

So the next title might be, "Treasons to be hopeful this new year"?

[Quote] I hear #Prague #CzechRepublic is beautiful in the summertime. I wouldn’t know as I have never been. #Mueller knows everything!

Hopefully, Michael Steele is enjoying this vindication. What a shame it took so long. It's amazing how much he was able to put together. I think the Russians took out most people who may have been involved. But now I want to go back and read his Dossier again.

[Quote] So the next title might be, "Treasons to be hopeful this new year"?

R537 is very active on the "Outing of Shit Stirrers" thread, denouncing the idea that any Russian Trolls would even be bothering with the DL.

Also, read his previous posts. Trying to muddle timelines and create confusion.

[Quote] Pence must be doing a jig this morning.

R508 is also on the Shit Stirrers thread, laughing off the idea that Russian Trolls are posting on the DL.

His many posts in this thread also have many divisive seeds in them.

Could someone post a link to the Shit Stirrers thread when you get a chance? TIA

Chris and Paulie are out witted by common Russian thugs just like the fucking POTUS.

Why would Michael Cohen attempt to use Steven van Zandt as an alibi? I mean in addition to the fact that Cohen is a liar and an idiot?

Is Karlovy Vary where Cohen's phone pinged?

r542 What? Any look at posting history will tell you I have never denounced the idea Russians wouldn't be here. I have always maintained they are here as well as plain old conservative trolls. Did you make a mistake? I was in the Czech shit stirring thread asking about what happened. I have never been in the other thread.

Here's R549 in his denial of ever even hearing of Russian Trolls being outed, which was discussed at length in the Mueller threads in the last 3 weeks.

[Quote] There was a huge outing of shit stirrers from CR?

[Quote] ok asshole. When was this not huge at all "outing"?

We discussed it all HERE, so he knew all about it but pretended to not in the Shit Stirrer thread.

R549 is NOT a newbie here.

r550 Oh your the asshole who wouldn't answer my question. What you posted was not even close to denying. This was about Czech's, or so I thought, not Russians. Look at all my posting history numbnuts and see I've been VERY active on these threads and the Russian Troll Farm thread and I am the former Congressional Intern you fucking asshole. Find a grease fire prick.

I have not posted in that thread R551, just noticing you denying having heard of Russian Trolls working out of CZ.

You keep intoning your former job but also seem to sow a little doubt here and there. And you haven't had any scoop in a long, long time.

r552 Fucking lying piece of shit. In all my posting history, I have always been crystal clear about how I believe Russians are posting here. Period. You're just a thick, dumb asshole who sees shit that isn't there so fuck off. I thought some story had broke about Russians being caught in the CR. I don't read every fucking thread. You have a beef with me about something else so you are inventing controversy where there is none. Won't work.

And I'll get scoop when I damn well please. It's not like a see them all the time. I'm not going to make shit up.

[quote]Very dedicated US political divider posting from Brazil

I'll take "who is Glenn Greenwald" for $400, Muriel.

R549's posts (from what I can see) don't really come off as divisive or trollish to me unless there are a bunch of other posts that I can't see.

r555 Thank you. Feel free to dig into my history. That asshole is pissed off about something else (I think I disrespected his fave singer or something) and is after me. Like a stalker.

R556 did you laugh at Janet getting in to the RNR Hall of Fame?!?!?!

I DID !

Is Rachel taking the whole time till 1.2.2019 off?

r557 Is he Janbot? LOL that would make sense!

No idea, R560 but it sounds like something it would do. However, you MUST be a troll as you didn't refer to it as Jabba!

r561 LOLOLOLOLOL Busted! Yes, sorry, Jabba it is.

[Quote] BREAKING (CNN): Giuliani Says It's Not a Crime to Knowingly Receive Stolen Property (Hacked Emails), Laying the Groundwork for It Eventually Being Revealed That Trump's Campaign Did Exactly That*

[Quote] *See the lengthy chapter in Proof of Collusion entitled, "The Hunt for Her Emails."

Whether he was in Prague or not, Cohen's tweet at r539 certainly ends on a hopeful note.

[quote] Giuliani Says It's Not a Crime to Knowingly Receive Stolen Property (Hacked Emails),

Is it a crime to knowingly request them?

Ghouliani can't help but always show their hand, can he?

Rudy will say murder isn't a crime before long. Rudy is not right in the head.

Giuliani really is a mobster isn’t he? This whole thing reeks of the old "It fell off the back of a truck" excuse.

Shouldn't someone from the legal system smack Guiuliani so hard that his false teeth fly to the moon? I mean the shit that comes out of his mouth ... !

It is a crime to knowingly receive stolen goods, isn't it?

Pretty soon it will be that nothing done before you take office can be considered a crime because you are pre-ordained to have a Pardon and therefore that means you're innocent.

Cohen entered the Czech Republic via EU Italy and Austria or Germany. Technically, he was not in Prague but in the outskirts, some say. hmmm

Yes, R570 it's a crime of Possession of Stolen Goods:

[quote]In many jurisdictions, if an individual has accepted possession of goods or property and knew they were stolen, then the individual is typically charged with a misdemeanor or felony, depending on the value of the stolen goods.

Mueller has obtained someone's nude selfie.

R574 are they reading dear Vanka's emails to Daddy?

Oh, is that the donor list the DNC refused to turn over to the Sanders campaign? And why is this an issue now? The guy who hacked it was fired and the DNC continued to be bitchy to the campaign in so many ways too tiresome to detail here.

No one is fooled by the continued insistence on debating these issues, but I do feel it's important to make people aware of the truth of what really happened.

I want impeachment of a President, not censure of a Senator

I've written a letter to Daddy/His address is Heaven Above

I was the one who said that Pence must be happy. I think that if Cohen is caught lying about the phone, it all points to collusion with the Russians. And if Cohen actually testifies that there was collusion, I think Trump will be forced to resign. That's why I thought Pence would be happy.

Maybe now, with Muriel red-lining the obviously foreign trolls, the troll accuser will give it a break.

BTW, I'm living in VT, have donated to Bernie's campaign and I've received no emails like the ones described. None at all from him, in fact. Pretty sure it's just more BS from some ugly trolls without anything better to do than disrupt the normally civil discourse here.

It's been a pleasure to read the holiday accounts from people who post here who have MAGA family members. The tide has most definitely turned.

First order of business for the House and Senate should be a bill requiring a time limit on 'acting' heads of departments. This shit reeks of tyrannical takeover. How many do we have now? I've lost count

Pence is as involved as Pres Bone Spurs in this mess with Russia.

Yes, R580, I think you're right. Pence is in it up to his self-righteous eyeballs as head of the transition team. Chosen by Manafort is reason enough for me to know he's got things to hide.

Our MAGA family members won't speak about it at family gatherings because half the family refused to go after the election. It upset a few of them to the point they promised no politics would be talked about. We still didn't go the first year. So I have no idea how they truly feel though they would never admit it

His poll numbers are where they are because they will never admit, even in a poll, that they made a mistake.

I'm 583. And this was deep in the heart of Texas.

[quote]BTW, I'm living in VT, have donated to Bernie's campaign and I've received no emails like the ones described. None at all from him, in fact. Pretty sure it's just more BS from some ugly trolls without anything better to do than disrupt the normally civil discourse here.

Nope.

So weird that someone would try to say the email Bernie sent out was a lie created by trolls. That in itself sounds like troll behavior.

Whatever, troll. I know you're lying.

R587

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Apparently you don't know much.

Link to new thread for when this maxes out:

I received the email as well so no, it's not a "fake," or a "lie."

Apparently one source is saying the nude selfie is just from one of the Russian Troll workers.

That sounds absolutely typical for the Sanders campaign. I too was an “instant” recipient, also coincidentally after the hacking of the DNC addresses by the Sanders campaign, a disgusting act that I find suspicious, not “tiresome.” There’s a reason Tad evidently is an un-indicted cooperating informant for Mueller.

Thanks for posting that. I see you're not lying and I apologize. I even read it and I'm shaking my head. He's not wrong about the attacks, but I stand corrected. I don't want him to run and have stated it numerous times.

Just got home from visiting the family for the holidays, so I missed it in the news, too. Again, my apologies. I do wonder why I didn't receive one.

And here I was really convinced that the selfie came from the Senatrice!

R594 I appreciate your acknowledging you were wrong and your apology.

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