The male rape and sexual abuse apologists / deniers on DL.

Replies at 86, 11, and 131 of the thread linked below make up 99% of the "you can't rape a man" bullshit in that thread. There are 3 of them total - having written over 30 posts. If you block them, all the attacks on gay rape victims will be gone - and you can read everything they have been up to, all together.

Please FF these cunts too so they will get the fuck off the board. It's unfortunate you can't FF them in person with a spiked glove... though they may get banned from DL unless they are using a proxy - who knows. It's worth a shot to get this scum off the board...or at least be aware of what they are doing.

It's more than just 3 or 4 people.

It's women who can't help giving up the victim spotlight, "This is our moment!" Or Gays who rape

In that thread, it is limited to about 3 people . There are over 250 posts so I probably missed a few. I have no idea how many it is or who it is on all of DL. Please post the threads you are referring to and the posters here then, so people can see this shit. Then, we can put them on ignore, and see how many people there are.

R3 *cant stand

R2, on this poll, it is 7% vs 93% who say you "can't rape a male" - and it's harder to fuck with a poll than it is to repeatedly write trolling comments and clear your cookies (though I am sure they could if they wanted to, it appears their efforts are focused on the comments). This small percentage is another reason I think it is a small number.

There are clearly forces at work on this website, gaming the system to bully divisive, radical opinions. From transphobia, Zionism, gay rape, Woody/Dylan Allen, anti-MeTooism, and the Oscars are homophobic guy, hijacking threads seems to be the new norm.

If it's Russian troll farms, I am truly scared because it is very effective. If it is alt-right troll farms, I'm concerned because it does suggest a level of sophistication their bumbling in Washington belies. If it's nut jobs seeking attention and/or delusions of influence I would hope the owner(s) could pinpoint them and correct it I shutter to think we really are this divided as a gay community and treat each other this poorly.

R7 but you have to also see that every opinion posted that doesn't align with your opinion is not necessarily a Troll. A lot of people probably have thought you were a Troll. It's a real safe zone thing to do by calling everyone a Troll.

On that note, the male rape apologists are Troll-y

Disagreeing is one thing. Trolling is one thing. But hijacking threads with easily disputed opinions, repetitive sound bytes, non-stop name-calling in dozens of posts is something very different. These are clearly being orchestrated or the efforts of the truly deranged. Maybe both.

The rape apologist posters were seemed active during normal american hours. I'll have to take a second look, but I think it was mostly Sunday - not like some weird posts coming in when everyone in the USA would be asleep.

The motivation is still truly bizarre... unless it is just to cause divisiveness. The grammar was all fine. I searched 4chan and there was no discussion of anything related to this that I can find. DL comes up a lot over there. I can look through some other boards, but they have to be coming from somewhere. Why are they here?

[quote]easily disputed opinions, repetitive sound bytes, non-stop name-calling in dozens of posts

yep - I was really amazed when I saw how transparent they were after putting them on ignore. It was the same thing over and over again - with zero regard for the replies they got... other than to misquote them. Someone replied that they disagreed, so the troll reply back was verbatim "So you're saying that rape affects more men than women" - completely insane. It just doesn't seem like an actual woman would type that. It's so troll-y. I mean look at this other example

[quote]Honesty, the subject doesn't even merit a thread and only demeans the majority of real victims

I mean... what woman is this deranged (the same poster typed both comments)? Plus there appeared to be 3 of them. These comments are not something any woman I know would ever say- straight or lez. They'd be horrified. Something else is going on. I know Muriel is very hands off but there's been 3-4 months of this seriously fucked up behavior unchecked. I really miss the days of [all posts by tedious troll removed].

I think you may be talking about the troll that's been stinking up the place for a while, someone who pretends to be a woman very angry with gay men for "taking away from" various "women's issues."

They were really on a tear on the Kevin Spacey threads a while back. I lump them in with Linda and Captain Intolerance. In fact, if I was told all three were the same person, I'd believe it without hesitation.

Oh, and I don't think it really is a woman, but that's mostly because I remember people back in the pre-trolldar days pretending to be women who hated gay men, just to cause a stink. Trolldar came out and WHOOPS, they weren't really women. But I'm honestly guessing in this case.

Could one of the stinkers be Topher himself? I stopped reading the thread. Too much troll smell.

R12 - yep that was brought up back in november too

[quote]One poster (in a thread about sexual assault against gay men) was shut down by a woman who called him liar and said the he and others were guilty of taking attention away from women. Really, bitch? A thread about assault on a gay message board? That pissed me off.

The above quote is from the OP's link.

I have a feeling it's not actual women too. The other board (z board) is convinced it's all women, but when you look at it - it's clear it's not gay men first... but it's likely not straight / lez women either (just based on every woman I know in real life).

Linda is similar, though she seems more obsessed with trans posts... and she'll actually adapt her replies to what you say. These people were just posting the same thing over and over for months like mindless trolls.

It's possible, r14 - but some of their (basically verbatim) content goes back to October.

They aren't the same person but they are the same sloppy alleycats, right down to their timing. This is going to be too easy, meow-meow.

I think it was a reputation management company response/strategy when news of Spacey broke. I heard/read it elsewhere too. They are likely posting from a script, best to block and not engage.

Interesting. I wasn't following Spacey's story at all - thanks for pointing it out r17. Yes, it is quite scripted. There's no evidence they even have flexibility to formulate a reply that actually engages with another poster.

Someone pointed out that on the Allen threads, if confronted with facts, the scripted posters start another thread. So I think you are correct, R18, they are likely not authorized to go off script/message. Just block and move on.

The poll at R6 is misleading.

I voted Yes, man can be raped.

However I was talking about a violent altercation such as a jail setting. The scenario with Topher was much different. His victims didn’t even so much as hit him, which would’ve probably been enough to get him to stop. They just passively laid there. That’s a far cry from getting gang raped or violently overpowered by a huge cell mate in prison.

[quote]You can't rape a man. Impossible.

There are men in prisons all over the world who would beg to differ with you.

R21, that quote was from this thread linked here

There are people such as myself who are skeptical of Topher’s alleged victims, and then there are some of the other more obsessive compulsive posters who insisted that men can’t be raped under any condition. We may agree in our skepticism of the Topher DiMaggio situation but that’s where it ends. Men can be raped, yes, but that doesn’t mean every man claiming he was raped should be believed.

Yes, r23 - that's a normal reply for someone with a skeptical view & that's fine. It's good you wrote that because you people can contrast it (a normal post) to things like this in the thread:

[quote] Rape is generally a crime perpetrated against women. and now men want to get in and grab some attention too. Honesty, the subject doesn't even merit a thread and only demeans the majority of real victims, who are women.

[quote]They don't go to the police because it never happened, R94. Yet somehow, male victims are taken more seriously than female ones, despite rape/sexual assault/abuse being a crime that primarily affects women.

[quote]Uhh, men are stronger and can fight off an attack easier, moron at R107.

Where are all these so called apologists?

I do see and hope we WOULD see posters who don't accept all accusations such as these simply at face value. Each and every accusation should be examined - accepting that for many we may never know the truth.

The tin hatters don't exactly contribute to the discussion.

Two dozen posts in and this clown still can't differentiate between the justifiably skeptical and rape deniers.

R24, I read/heard those exact statements elsewhere back in the fall. It is a script meant to shame and silence men. It's not coming from women. It's an orchestrated campaign, we are just one outlet.

Kind of like how it's hard to pick out the Neo-nazis, KKK members and psycho murderers behind the wheel of a car from all the "fine" "southern heritage" marchers.

Yeah "the men can't be raped and it is a woman's issue" poster has been pushing their shit on this board for months. Thanks for putting in the leg work.

I think the mystery is solved.

1. Their posts appear approximately around 4 PM EST to 12:00 AM EST. This is 8:00AM - 4:00 PM work day in Sydney and Melbourne Australia.

2. They cite Australian news sources (see reply 286 in the linked thread)

3. They use Australian idoms and grammar like "what are you on about" and the word "sport" as (sport is a bad example) rather than "sports" (see replies 164 and 135 - both by the rape denialist trolls with this grammar). Nobody else in the whole thread uses this kind of grammar.

4. They never deviate from the script and repeat the same lines over and over again as written in the OP - regardless of the evidence that flies in the face of what they are saying. It's not an interaction with a normal human. It's just them cutting and pasting from their scripts.

This is an online reputation management firm / troll farm based in Sydney or Melbourne Australia, hired to do this. Who hired them - I don't know - possibly Spacey or possibly another entity hell bent on disrupting things (as Russia has been suggested many times). I do not think it is coming from women, and almost certainly not American women. If it is related to Russia, it's possible - it would be possible because Russian vocabulary and grammar is horrible - so they'd hire someone who speaks English natively. They give themselves away with non-American idioms and grammar, time stamps, and usage of Australian news sources that wouldn't come up in an American google search. Google.com.au would bring up the sources, they post though.

One other point - they don't post in any other threads. Blocking them reveals they are ONLY fixated on rape-related threads (at this time, there is just 1). Blocking other people typically reveals numerous threads they participate in. It's a bit odd that on such a diverse site, they would hone in on this one specific topic and hang on like a dog with a bone - for months... ignoring everything else on DL. Why would they do that? Hmm.

Take a look at some of the gems in this, "Gay, Me Too" thread from a few months ago.

[quote] Biological women dealing with males is a totally different issue. Males are not affected in the same ways and should let females share their stories.

[quote] It's shitty that males can't let women speak out the on issue without needed to (yet again) accommodate men. You'll live if you don't get 50/50 speaking time.

[quote] Exactly, [R21]. Why can't men just shut the fuck up about a female issue? Why must women be forced to accommodate and let men speak on this. It's infuriating. And a big fuck you to [R22], [R23], [R24]. Fuck off and shut the fuck up. No one cares about your ridiculous claims. Why can't you let women have a SINGLE thread without you all whining about your shit?

[quote] Shut up, [R34], [R32] and [R37]. You're making claims where there is none and you have no right to try and show how terribly victimized men are. Stop being attention whores ffs.

[quote] Not, [R28], but I agree with the sentiment, [R44]. Biological women dealing with males is a totally different issue. Males are not affected in the same ways and should let females share their stories. It's shitty that males can't let women speak out the on issue without needed to (yet again) accommodate men. You'll live if you don't get 50/50 speaking time. [R17] and [R20] said the same thing, but put it in a nicer way.

[quote] But why is it that men have to "tell their stories" all of a sudden in the first place? The posters upthread who said that they were victims in someway are perfect examples of men (I don't care if they're gay men) overtaking an issue that largely affects women in the first place. Each and every one of them felt the need to come to this thread and complain. Why can't women have anything without men taking over and making it about them? You can also see from the number of joke responses here that gay men are not overall affected by sexual violence. People here have admitted that they found being groped to be a turn on. No woman would ever say that.

[quote] Bravo [R14]. You are a gay man. I have never been a fan of these sissies trying to co-opt every female experience when they know it’s not the same. I’ve been fondled several time, even by ugly, unattractive trolls and was not traumatised. I’m used to strangers in bars complimenting my butt and slapping it sometimes. I’ll be disappointed the day it sags and it all stops.

Wow, a lot of that is very disturbing and telling. I am still not entirely sure if this is truly coming from women or people who just want to be divisive... I just can't fathom any women I know saying things like this. I don't know what to think. But thanks for posting r32. I missed that thread the first time, and it's important to know these creatures are here and call them out. Some progress has been made, as one of these trolls was just Doxxed. He posted a photo, and he left all of the metadata in his photo (the latitude and longitude) which traced directly to his house. It could also be a female. The details seem vague at the moment but I am sure more will come out now that the person basically put their address on DL (toward the end of the thread linked here).

I believe metadata from a photo was the same way they caught El Chapo.

Hmm. The crazy person with their own abuse stories on the Topher thread sounds like the crazy person on the Woody Allen threads who has similar stories.

I'd assumed the WA troll was a one-issue troll, but maybe not.

I thought they sounded familiar too r34.

Multiple people posted their own abuse stories on that thread. Which one are you referring to?

So you're doing the "people who have been raped are crazy" obfuscation now?

This isn't about "expressing an alternative opinion", this is entire threads being hijacked and drowned out by the same talking points repeated over and over again hundreds of times. Its mind-numbing, hateful, scripted drivel. There's one-topic loons who have dominated DL the past few years now (the "trans cult" troll, Matthew the goyim-cracker-breeder troll, Southern Witch conspiracy troll, the dudebro/IG model/porn addicts etc) but this does feel different and more specific. I used to think Matthew (goyim troll) was responsible for some of it because he's said similar things before but now I'm not too sure.

I'm Australian and would be shocked if it was coming from here, we aren't really known for being particularly organised in this kind of way. However, if its a PR company behind this, Bryan Singer has shot many of his films here and would have connections (I know people who have been in his circle). I'd place my bets on him more than Spacey. I remember a lot of his threads got deleted right around the Spacey expose.

One of the posters was confirmed to be in Canada, but the Australian suggestion seems like it's iffy - due to time stamps and the use of one article from a .au domain. The grammar is possibly even british or canadian too in some of those examples. I think it's hard to know. It makes sense to me that someone would hire an off-shore reputation management firm, though... with native English speakers - so England, Ireland, Australia, etc... The major problem with "Russian trolls" in Russia is that their writing and grammar would give them away in seconds.

TLDR

Thanks for announcing your ADHD, r39 but we really don't care.

It's just that the OP, the same one who gets all livid about the #metoo campaign and Meryl Streep, is so longwinded...

Substituting a flippant "tl;dr" for reasoned response and cordiality stoops to ridicule and amounts to thought-terminating cliché. Just as one cannot prove through verbosity, neither can one prove by wielding a four letter acronym. When illumination, patience, and wisdom are called for, answer with them.

But I can't, if the post is so long it makes my eyes blur : (

I was merely trying to encourage the poster to be more concise, and therefor improve their communication.

I should be thanked.

[quote]therefor improve their communication

oh dear

you DO realize there are some times when being concise does not work - like listing examples (e.g., this situation)

I'm Australian too and I read that awful thread with all the apologists on it too yesterday thinking what the fuck is going on here. I was horrified until I realised something was up. I didn't notice any overt Australianisms in the posts either R37 and agree with everything you said. Datalounge generally isn't a site we would visit at work during work hours.

It's not Russian trolls. That's a too convenient and far too easily used excuse here at DL now. We gotta get something new.

I think there are two things going on:

1. There's a PR company posting here, there and everywhere who is paid for by some very rich men who have a lot to lose and are doing everything they can to stop certain things happening. You know who I mean. Particularly 1 male Hollywood director. These PR companies they hire, respond to any and all Google alerts they are set up for. So if certain words hit their Google alert feeds then they come and post wherever it is.

2. There is a super nasty man hating person posting in some of the other threads (like R32) who hates men so much and so deeply that they're basically psychologically rabid.

Just my two koalas...

It's not the (short) quotes that are the problem, it's the mutiple, windy, clotted paragraphs after them. They just make the OP look like a fanatic, yammering away.

Ultimately, I suppose it makes me think they're lonely.

[quote]r45 2.) There is a super nasty man hating person posting in some of the other threads (like [R32]) who hates men so much and so deeply that they're basically psychologically rabid.

I see:

3.) There's a bitter poster here who's so enraged by women (for whatever reason) that they pretend they're female and create wildly angry posts against men, hoping to then use them as examples of how viciously man-hating women are.

It's the same poster who's in a frenzy, insisting trans people are trying to eradicate gays, and the threat of the future for everyone.

R46, I see you've now posted 4 times about your opinion about the length of OP's post... so who is the fanatic yammering away exactly? This thread brought up an important issue going on for months on this site. Your 4 repetitive posts do not contribute anything, and nobody will be taking writing style lessons from you. Go back to your scintillating threads about whether or not "Sigourney Weaver seems bitter to you" and the "Classic film stars you just don't LIKE"

I agree with r45 also. The Australian thing was an initial guess but it was shown that one is definitely in Winnipeg, Canada.

R47 - but why pick gay men as their target? Usually, those types (and they are all over reddit and similar boards) target other straight guys or just pretend to be women and target women. Gay men are usually outside of their sphere of interest... or so I'd think.

[quote]R48 your 4 repetitive posts do not contribute anything,

Except answer questions.

[quote]R48 but why pick gay men as their target?

They are a gay male, themselves,

Just as you are the OP.

Ugh god, instead of this thread being hijacked by a rape apologist, it is being taken over by a bore - who keeps going onto his 6th post now. And, sorry, the assertion that a gay man is doing this because he's "so enraged by women" makes no sense - and none of it is connected to any of the anti-trans posters either. Strike out. Sorry. Anyone can block me and the OP and see who is who. Even if I was the OP, it doesn't change your dumb tiresome replies. As for any further replies from you: TLDR in advance.

Don't be an asshole, r36. I've shared my own story about a band teacher who assaulted both boys and girls in my school.

But there is one person who insists Dylan Farrow is making everything up, and when people don't agree with them, they trot out a long molestation story over several replies that sounds like it's meant to be titillating.

The person linked in the Topher thread was doing the same thing. It's curious and kinda creepy.

You, meanwhile, can go fuck yourself with that immediate bad faith take of yours, where you made a bunch of assumptions just so you could pretend DL was being mean to an abused child.

R52 - There are at least 5 separate stories by posters in that thread, so vaguely claiming that there is some "crazy person with their own abuse stories" in the thread is insulting to at least 4 of us who posted stories.

I've never read a single thread about Woody Allen & have no idea what happened in any of those threads, but I did read all the posts in the Dimaggio thread and haven't seen a "long molestation story over several replies". The only one that was dragged out was the person who said he was raped twice - and then the victim-blaming vultures demanded to know "how" he got raped twice, so he did reply 1-2 more times.

There are no screen names here. I have no idea who "the person linked in the Topher thread" is. There are over 300 posts in that thread by now.

If you want to take a casual comment I made to someone else as a personal attack on you, go right ahead.

There's no way I can know who you are, and even if I cared to try to find out, it would be useless because you change browsers / devices all the time.

Seems to me there are people who need to use their time and energy more wisely than wasting them on opinions expressed on an anonymous website.

Anything said here means absolutely nothing.

Why is this going on and on and on?

Speaking of violence against women:

I wonder if these are the same people attacking Anthony Rapp on twitter.

[quote]It's the same poster who's in a frenzy, insisting trans people are trying to eradicate gays, and the threat of the future for everyone.

Yes, that's exactly the rat I smell, r47. And, over at Queerty, I happened upon this oddly familiar comment from someone with the screen handle "Danny595":

[quote] The rest is male effeminacy, transgenderism, and green hair. At some point, we are going to need to decide to stop showcasing weirdness and gender dysfunction and start giving attention to normal, healthy LGB men and women.

That "LGB" term -- along with the button-pushing on a queer-focused site -- is the tell; I think that [italic]might[/italic] be the same troll.

[quote]R58 That's exactly the rat I smell.

Agreed.

It's weird R56 thinks posting a screenshot of a bunch of anonymous (alleged) tweets amounts to anything. Why would anyone give any weight to strangers such as (the alleged) [bold]yes homo[/bold], [bold]ANNA[/bold], and [bold]memeballs[/bold] even being real people??

But no....the END is coming! It's widespread [italic]hatred[/italic] and [italic]madness[/italic] out there, dont'cha know...

Is this their first day on the Internet?

Does Matt live in Canada? The rape apologist and denier posted a pic to "prove" he was not a russian troll or from an Australian PR firm Spacey hired & the metadata in the pic was traced to Winnipeg, Canada.

You have to set your DL to "asbestos eyeballs" or the posts won't show up where this happened since they got FFed out. (334 and 335 at the link)

He writes very differently than Matt, so I would be surprised if they were the same.

Is Queerty still around?

So you're telling me I should be cautious of anyone saying tie me kangaroo down, sport?

Go on r61. Go on at length. You can divide the thread with a few well placed words -- it's so clear, isn't it? We're all secretly in awe of your distant superiority. We're so weak, with our weakening emotions, and out useless empathy. Tell. Tell. Tell.

Is Matt the one who keeps posting about "Goyim" ? I get the trolls confused...

You'll find unhinged commenters insisting that male rape is impossible on almost any gay website. Towleroad contained very similar comments on their story about Topher. Some guys just have some very weird hangups about masculinity and sexual assault. On the other hand, I suspect there's far more than one poster on DL who expresses skepticism about aspects of the trans narrative (some of us find 'ladybrains' a nonsensical concept, and we're not even radfem Michfesters).

R33 Interesting.

anyone who blocks and unblocks without realizing that you can simply delete your cookie or you can copy your cookie to impersonate another is more idiotic than anyone else.

Seriously, who the fuck do you think you are that you think you have the right to silence other people's opinions just because they don't conform to yours?

R66 - don't push the bullshit please. That is not what is happening whatsoever. See the post r37 which answers your "question" which is really not a question at all but an attempt at more deflection (because if you were so genuinely curious, you would've read these posts already, along with r24 and r32).

If you cannot understand the difference between a disagreement and a systemic campaign to push a completely false set of FACTS (not beliefs) on the internet (the same style of bullshit facts that got Trump elected president) then you are too stupid to use the internet. It is the goal of many people in this thread and related threads to call out the bullshit that has been going on since October (which is completely different than a disagreement) and put an end to it.

[quote]or you can copy your cookie to impersonate another is more idiotic than anyone else.

Huh? No you can't. Not unless you have access to their hard drive and can copy the cookie.

"Seriously, who the fuck do you think you are that you think you have the right to silence other people's opinions just because they don't conform to yours?"

Blocking someone on a website is not the same thing as "silencing them" and there is a difference between a different opinion and an organized trolling campaign. Some of the posters were attacking Anthony Rapp by LYING about his background. That's not a different opinion - that's making shit up.

And the weird divider trolls just keep right at it...check out r8 (and more) on this newer thread.

R66

Fascinating thread! I hope the Australian PR company theory is true. Fabulous.

The trolls are back in the latest Anthony Rapp thread, even repeating the same weird lie that Rapp fucked his own brother (which came out of nowhere in the original Spacey thread and has been taken as fact by the same trolls ever since). Same scripting, same lines posted over and over again ("attention whore", "where was the mother?", "there's something calculating about Rapp"), and ignoring all responses.

There's a lot of overlap among the rape denialists and the pedo apologists. They share the narrative of "All men and boys want sex, wherever they can get it, and so you can't rape the willing."

Here's yet another random, weirdly casual post, worthy of your FFs.

There is definitely a group in America society that is openly pro-rape. Not people who think the allegations are false. But people who think it's okay for men to force other people to commit sexual acts

More of the same at this new thread

[quote]There are clearly forces at work on this website, gaming the system to bully divisive, radical opinions. [bold]From transphobia[/bold], Zionism, gay rape, Woody/Dylan Allen, anti-MeTooism, and the Oscars are homophobic guy, hijacking threads seems to be the new norm.

You lost the plot when you mentioned the T, that has been a staple of DL since the 90s. Datalounge has always been against the Trans movement since 1995. If anything, DLers a less vicious now than they were before, but make no mistake, the community has always denounced the Trans brigade.

I do give the point that Russians might be exploiting that particular characteristic on DL. Unfortunately for them, DL whote the book on exposing the Tranny brigade.

"Datalounge has always been against the Trans movement since 1995. "

Wrong. I've been posting here since 1999 and back then hardly anyone even mentioned trans people. I don't remember anyone getting upset over words like "Queer" or "cis" or LGBT back then either.

I don't know if this is one person from several devices or several posters posting these comments. But the male rape apologists/deniers are male rapists/sexual abusers who rape boys or other men. They are trying to normalize sexual deviance and violence against boys/men.

Another point is that the only people who defend pedophiles are other pedophiles. Same for hebophiles and sexual abusers.

[quote]It turns out that if you block these comments, they trace back to 3 people. 3 very deranged people. Who the fuck are they?

It's more likely one deranged person using more than one device to post.

One of them was recently tagged as "Troll 5041" in the linked thread. There are a handful of them. Another one is from Canada and the location was revealed in the linked thread too - after he posted a pic "to prove he wasn't a Russian" - his location was identified in post 334. The pic he posted was of his shoe (a male shoe) in the snow. The question really is who is behind it. Is it legitimately the opinions of some of these people? Why do they ONLY target these threads on DL then? (blocking them shows they don't ever participate outside of sex abuse threads). People have pointed this out as far back as November and it's still not clear what is happening or who is doing it.

Another thread is "The pedophiles and their apologists on Datalounge."

Yet another one of the troll threads on the topic of denying male rape has been started, and will hopefully die off quickly.

It's usually straight men (who have infiltrated our grounds in greater numbers than previously thought) and their fraus that keep spreading the "men can't be raped" shit.

Of course straight men are going to say gay's can't be raped, cuz they are mostly our rapists !!!

FF straight men!!!

Most of those who have to come to Spacey's defense are gay men. Why would straight men or alt righters care to defend Spacey at all? If anything, they are probably enjoying his downfall.

R85 except I know some people who turned out to be Alt-righters and they worship Spacey for House of Cards and American Beauty, plus a large number of them seem to not really care about homosexuality as much as the traditional right did, they seem to care more about immigration, race, etc... than sexuality.