The January 6th Hearings Thread 3B

But there were lots of great posts so here’s a link.

Amen, ElderLez!

Colbert

Eat dirt and die, trash DeFacto!

Has Defucto joined DJT and Greg as a perennial DL Villain of the Year nominee?

Keep THIS thread alive, not his!

ElderLez, here's what blocked DeFacto is posting about you in the abandoned thread:

[quote]Everyone follow ElderLez, the Pied Piper of lonely gays, over to the group delusion thread. She spends about 15 hours a day on Datalounge.com working you all into a lather with paranoid bullshit. Enjoy!

Well, so far, there’s nothing interesting here.

I blocked the other thread, too stupid.

r9

Lawrence: Why Did It Take So Long For Pence To Do The Right Thing?

One of the first people to offer testimony was the capitol guard who testified she was knocked unconscious and slipping in other people's blood.

Why sully this thread with that, r7?

Not using that thread, the discussion was crazy right from the beginning. Trolling gimps.

It currently seems as though the Justice Department wants the January 6 Committee to stop its work, and instead do the heavy lifting for criminal referrals by providing it with transcripts and access to witnesses.

Doj? Press record. These hearings are turning the heat up on magats.

Judge Luttig who looked half dead yesterday, still made it very clear, these people are a clear and present danger and must be stopped.

CUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

r12 r14

19 is the gaplaylisttroll

Thurgood Marshall Jr., an assistant to President Clinton and son of the former Supreme Court justice, attended law school with Luttig. He recalled that Luttig was virtually a member of Burger's family and delivered a moving eulogy at the chief justice's funeral.

But Luttig's career has not been free of controversy or political intrigue.

In 1991, he was criticized by legal ethicists for helping prepare Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas for hearings into sexual harassment allegations raised by Anita F. Hill. At the time, Luttig was a senior Justice Department official who had been confirmed by the Senate to the appeals bench and was waiting to be sworn in.

In 1990, Luttig was the Bush administration official charged with providing a "safe house" for eventual Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter before his confirmation hearings.

R15 Why would any committee members not turn over their transcripts to the DOJ? Aren't they on the same side?

Angry Republicans Vow To Investigate The January 6th Investigation

The Committee is part of a separate (Legislative) branch of government. The owe deference, but not total submission to the Executive Branch.

I also suspect there initially was genuine concern that unethical Trump partisans, burrowed into DOJ, might “spill the beans” as to what the Committee was discovering, either to potential targets (so they could prepare) or selectively to the public (to undercut the impact of the Committee’s hearings).

Nevertheless DOJ, especially if they are in the middle of preparing indictments, is right to urgently request documents that could strengthen their cases. Chances are too, if they are in the indictment stage, top officials have by now ferreted out untrustworthy moles.

Still, it’s not unreasonable for the Committee to insist on completing its public, legislative hearings with minimal risk of compromise (another week); and then begin turning over relevant transcripts for DOJ’s use simultaneously with the Committee’s completion of the writing of it’s report.

[quote]R22: Why would any committee members not turn over their transcripts to the DOJ? Aren't they on the same side?

Yes, but the Justice Dept. seems to want the January 6 Committee to stop what it's doing and concentrate on its requests. The work of the Committee is not yet finished, and additionally, some witnesses are cooperating conditional to their anonymity; the situation is delicate, like sources in journalism.

Justice Department: 'Stop everything and give it all to us, now, Now, NOW!'

Committee: 'We're not anywhere near finished yet. Hold your damn horses!'

Some of the demands for immediate documentation is coming from the defense lawyers of accused insurrectionists, who have some vested interests in hampering or stopping altogether the work of the January 6 Committee.

The Committee is also not getting the fullest cooperation from the Justice Department in terms of enforcing witness subpoenas (people like Mark Meadows). That too is part of the holdup.

The DOJ has crossover with the Committee's interviewees. They need to compare and look for inconsistencies between the two testimonies. Any inconsistencies can come back and bite them in the butt.

Mary Trump:

[quote]Mike Pence is not a hero. He did the right thing on January 6th but only after exploring every way to avoid doing so. He doesn't even have the guts to testify in front of the committee.

The Jan 6th Committee has told the DOJ that they can view the documents they want, but they can't hand them over. Sounds like some trust issues with the DOJ. I'm on team Jan 6th with this one. They are uncovering corruption that goes all the way to the supreme court. There are probably all kinds bitches in the DOJ that are looking to put the brakes on this shit

How can the Trump embeds in the DOJ be neutralized?

Liz could have her Dad take them hunting?

Cabernet is your friend ElderLez.

Trump today called Pence a "human conveyor belt."

I'm not sure what that means.

Trump doesn't know what it means either.

He probably meant covfefe belt.

The Committee should give the DOJ what they want. They'll be the ones to get these fuckers.

NYT says the panel has agreed to provide the transcripts to the DOJ in July. The NYT also has an amazing video of the Proud Boys on their website.

More and more I feel Merrick Garland's failure to get on the SCOTUS was a good thing.

YouTube is censoring the hearings according to the nypost? Why?

Because they include Trump making false election claims. (No that isn’t a joke.)

Wtf..This is insane.

Wondering if part of DOJ’s newfound “urgency” isn’t a desire to get certain people indicted, and trials underway, before Elon Musk gives Trump back a tool to pour poisoned lies back into the jury pool?

DOJ's urgency is related to the defendants rights as once indicted, they havee a right to a speedy trial in 30 days. That's the reason for the urgent letter. I read that the defense lawyers can say they have a right to see the transcripts because if it's aired in public, it will prejudice their case and they can get the charges dropped due to a technicality. I wouldn't want any of the Proud Boys or Oathkeepers released because of a stupid technicality. It would be abhorrent.

I also read that Sidney Powell her friends in dark money (like the Publix heiress) are paying for their defense so I assume they are getting some high-priced lawyers.

I have no understandings of the inner workings of the DOJ, but if the info they need hinges on specific info & not just all the files, I don't see why they couldn't send someone to view the documents while the 1/6 hearings are still going on.

I'm wary about what comes out of DOJ these days; I don't think Garland is bad guy, but a career bureaucrat who cares "how all this looks" and precedent as opposed to the unprecedented situation he's facing. The 1/6 clearly want people to go to jail for this event too, but I understand the unwillingness to trust DOJ's motivations

That isn’t me, R7. I’ve got zero beef with ElderLez. Stop trying to stir shit up.

Shit in your mouth, De-Facto.

I don’t give a shit if people don’t like me for stuff I actually did r45 I’m just sick of the constant lies.

And I'm just sick of the constant De-Facto.

Sure, nut job R46. You are being pretty loud proclaiming not to be a troll that you surely are. 🙄

Thanks for the thread, ElderLez.

Now that there are six conservatives on the court, will Clarence Thomas quietly let prosecutors know he’ll step down (for health reasons of course) if they’ll go easy on his wife?

Prosecutors aren't going to anything to Thomas' wife, so no.

So Ginni’s not thinking about giving her version of events in front of the 1/6 committee before Mr. “5th Amendment” Eastman’s effing good criminal attorney suggests he might do better with prosecutors by spilling some secrets instead?

Ginni's so baked-in, batshit crazy I honestly can't believe she doesn't insist on testifing on-air, during one of the hearings thinking it would overturn the election and hand Murica back from the DemoNcrats.

I'll bet Clarence has to slip Xanax into her sleepytime tea so she isn't up all night, ranting and raving about how wallpaper angels of God are singing to her again and they have flames shooting out of their eye sockets this time and they're screaming "BENGHAZI, CLARENCE! THEY'RE SCREAMING ABOUT BENGHAZI! DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE DEMOCRAT DEMONS, CLARRRRENCE!"

Look at a photo of that fat, crazy Frau's fanatic eyes and convince me she doesn't say shit like that to him.

Want to see them both hang themselves out to dry with the bull that she has to say about J6

R53, of course you’re right. There’s no way in hell Thomas is going to let her testify; she’ll going to be been hospitalized for “exhaustion” before it ever comes that.

When will DL get Republican boyfriend Adam K front and center?

Given the extent to which the hearings are intentionally trying to amplify non-Trump cult Republican voices I am going to guess Kinziger will be speaking in the final, prime time hearing.

That’s strictly just my guess though.

Also, and this is just my personal opinion, and I am sure there are many people who I respect on this thread who will vehemently disagree with me, but I found the Lawrence O’Donnell comments about Pence to be textbook “so smart they don’t realize they are stupid.” O’Donnell was so smug about about not giving Pence any credit, he misses the whole point about deprogramming the Republican Party from the toxic morass that is Trump-worship.

Elderlez, with all due respect, I think I'm missing your point. Are you saying Pence should be called heroic for that one act of doing his job? (though I agree L O'D can be smug!). What about what Lawrence said do you disagree with?

As for the "mystery" of why Pence said nothing on the January 5th, isn't it because up to the very last minute, Pence was trying every way in hell to grant Trump's request?

It means that if Pence did 99 cowardly things and 1 heroic thing (which is pretty much what happened) we need to focus on and amplify the heroic thing so that he (and others like him) can take the next heroic step and fully break with Trump. We need to make him see a way out with dignity.

Let’s say you have a kid who has made a lot of terrible choices. You’ve had a lot of conflict over the years and now they’ve joined a cult. You’ve managed to get them away from the cult for an hour. Your goal is to get them out of the cult. Do you 1) talk about the one time they made a good, but difficult time not going with a friend to commit a serious crime and how you know because of that that’s they can leave the cult? Or 2) list all the terrible people they’ve hung out with and terrible things they’ve done over the years?

A lot of religious conservatives pro-Trumpers will break with Trump if Pence breaks with Trump.

Agree with ElderLez.

Imagine not wanting to break with a well-known, proud rapist, kid fucker, whore banger, traitor, lothario, racist, sexist, pervert, grifter, liar, seditionist. Republicans are the lowest form of life. There are bacteria that have more virtue.

[quote]we need to focus on and amplify the heroic thing so that he (and others like him) can take the next heroic step and fully break with Trump.

With all due respect, ElderLez, I don't see that ever happening.

Yeah ElderLez, "heroic steps" and the republican party of the twenty-first century do not a Venn diagram make.

Agree with ElderLez. Those folks want a way out of being behind Trump (although they'd deny it if you ever asked them), and he is a good option. Plus it fragments the Repubs even more, and I'm all for that.

Oh please, Pence is not a teenager. He was Vice President of the United States. It would be a mistake to promote him in anyway. He is ultra conservative, just a little more polite than Trump. Nevertheless, he sucked up to his boss through the entire presidency and still is doing it today. He just says they had a little disagreement about what his role should be on 1/6. Otherwise, everything is just fine. Lawrence was right - if Pence had any guts, he would have gone public before 1/6. He could still testify to the Committee if he wants to be a hero.

R65 - Pence may have been VP of the US, but he's also a religious zealot, and that neutralizes any innate intelligence he might possess. Political offices are nothing more than roles of fake importance co-created via societal agreements. These agreements are now completely outdated yet millions of people continue to work to prop the system up even as it is clearly collapsing. Pence is essentially the most recent iteration of the village idot and as such he can be used as a pied piper to lead other idiots away from the cult of personality of Trump. Pence is not nearly interesting enough to inspire his own cult, but he can indeed siphon off those who are looking to jump pff the rapidly sinking ship that is Trump.

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) told the Los Angeles Times that tomorrow's Jan. 6 committee hearing will demonstrate Mark Meadows’ “intimate role” in the then-President’s scheme to pressure Georgia state legislators into overturning the election results.

Additionally, Schiff said the committee is set to release new information about Meadows’ appearance at a “signature audit” in Georgia before Jan. 6. Schiff said the panel will also show text messages that demonstrate Meadows’ desire to send autographed Make America Great Again hats to people who conducted the audit.

[quote]Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) told the Los Angeles Times that tomorrow's Jan. 6 committee hearing will demonstrate Mark Meadows’ “intimate role” in the then-President’s scheme to pressure Georgia state legislators into overturning the election results.

It's time to move on!

[quote]R57: O’Donnell was so smug about about not giving Pence any credit, he misses the whole point about deprogramming the Republican Party from the toxic morass that is Trump-worship.

Having seen that episode, I tend to agree with O'Donnell. I don't think that Republicans can be deprogrammed, or that tongue-bathing Mike Pence will make him come around. Deplorable onlookers will not understand; they will simply take it as evidence that even Democrats agree with deplorable positions.

Trump's pressure campaign on state election officials & his conspiracy w/DOJ official Jeffrey Clark

Trump Was Told Election Workers He Terrorized Was Innocent, Hearings Show

Am I missing something or is that headline at r71 a giant Oh Dear! Not blaming you, r71. That’s what MSNBC posted

Yes it is, r72.

An official in New Mexico has refused to certify election results based on a gut feeling, not facts. This official participated in the J6 terrorist attack.

They ended up certifying them, r74.

missing the point

[quote]They ended up certifying them, R74.

They did their job? OMG, they're heroes!

R75, they had to be ordered by a court to do so, and the official R74 refers to still refused, although he could cite no evidence of fraud.

Yes I know, r78.

[quote]and the official R74 refers to still refused, although he could cite no evidence of fraud.

The Trump Effect will linger for many years, like nuclear waste.

trolls and magats

Speaker Bowers is choked up speaking about dump and ghouliani strong arm tactics to get him to break his vow to the constitution

R75 By a 2-3 vote. You are in complete denial as to the threat to free and fair elections. This has NOTHING to do with conservative and liberal, Repub and Dem, left and right.

Our democracy is about to go on life-support, and all MAGA cares about is "winning" and "owning the libs"

^^ 2-1 vote

[quote]R80: The Trump Effect will linger for many years, like nuclear waste.

But you say that like you think it's essentially over, with diminishing effects. The real bullshit is yet to come.

In all fifty states, Republicans have made hundreds of changes to election laws and replaced thousands of election officials, all with a view towards making sure that what was attempted in 2020 will go off next time without a hitch. People who aren't paying attention to what's been going on are going to be taken by surprise.

defeatism and going along to get along, not rocking the boat got us here.

R85 Exactly. Is America paying attention to these hearings? Not too much. Will it change MAGA or inspire Gen Z to vote in November? Unlikely. But it's so serious you need to do something. Getting this truth on the record at least... at least...

Ron Johnson delivered fake elector ballots to DC? Did I hear correctly?

Schiff needs to hit that HARD, if he hasn't already.

This is for history.

terrorist group wearing 3 bars showing up at people's homes?

Members of Congress who participated in this scheme should at least be censored.

R91 .... and then after that, censured.

Censored and Censured, R91.

Well done, written, and attested, Mr. Bowers.

Bowers has a conscience. He stands by his oath. He’s very different from the usual crAZies you find here. He’s also LDS, deep in his faith.

America's Mayor has been exposed for the lowlife he is. He has been disbarred, after working in law for five decades. Because dump doesn't pay his bills, he is broke.

Stating nothing will come of this is disingenuous at best. .

R88, Ron Johnson is connected to everything bad in Trumpworld. He was one of the Senators who went to Moscow on July 4th in 2018. I believe he is up for re-election this Fall.

No coffee jitters for him, r95!

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January 6th hearings continuation…

"No one is watching."

"Nothing will comes of this."

"He gets away with everything".

Wishingful thinking, fap material, fantasy for fascists.

Drinking a little early, R99?

It’s June 21st.

Media obituary writers have rewritten their Giuliani drafts to replace the phrase "America's Mayor" with "America's Betrayer."

We do need Merrick Garland and the DOJ to be simpatico. If they are not, THEN NOTHING WILL COME OF THIS.

Merrick Garland is being schooled right now. He’s listening. So….shssssss.

This guy Sterling is very impressive, just laying out the facts.

It's irritating to have to listen to Trump brag/lie constantly in the clips. That smarmy voice is nails on a chalkboard.

If I remember correctly, R103, the Congress cannot compel, or force, the Justice Department to bring charges but they can compel the Justice Department to put the evidence in front of a grand jury, which then decides if charges should be file.

I’m on HST time. Aren’t you ego centric enough? R99.

Self-centered person? R99.

Dump slurs when he speaks. Listen to the footage.

Zzzzzzzzzz

So.... on the one hand none of this will change MAGA. On the other hand, this assures DeSantis will run.

R108 Keep trying kid, keep trying.

Did you hear that, donald? Georgia voters chose the republican ticket and voted so down-ticket but, in refusing to give you their vote, caused you and you alone to be the ballot's loser.

Loser.

This is the Trump persona with the sharpie changing hurricane's impact. Just pulling "facts" our of his ass.

Loser.

The same Zzzzzzzzz Troll R109, who thinks overthrowing our government is boring. FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE.

David pretty boy Muir tried to correct Chris Krispy Kreme Christie when he compared the protests and litigation regarding election results in 2000 and 2016 to the terrorist attack on J6.

Krispy Kreme wasn't having any pushback and started yelling at Muir to make this incorrect comparison.

Gore conceded and Bush was given a peaceful transfer of power.

When was Giuliani disbarred? His license in NY was suspended last year, but that's different.

Gore conceded and Bush was given a peaceful transfer of power, no comparison to J6

"Ronna McDaniel? She's really a Romney, you know, can't be trusted to tell the truth."

I’m so happy that Secretary of State of Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, was re-elected in the state of Georgia for another term.

Booyay, Dump! Georgia wants a fair election and this man will not “find” more votes for you, Dumptard.

I'm so glad these Ga. phone calls were recorded. It's one thing for someone to testify that they were spoken (and ordered) to do these treasonous things. It's another to hear it straight from the horse's mouth. He sounds like a mob boss.

trump's voice makes me cringe. It's worse than fingernails on a blackboard. Yes...good thinking recording everything. He sounds like the thug he is...

I'm going to say right now NOTHING will happen to any of these traitors cunts after these hearing. A week will go by after it ends and Americans will forget it even happened. Repigs will get away with this as they always do because WE LET THEM!

I will come back and tell you I told you so.

Rudy has not been disbarred to date.

Speaking of nails...

Speaking of fingernails...

R120, he sounds like a phone salesman.

Yep, r124.

You do that, r121. Until then, stop whining.

Great minds R123..lol

Dear r113. I’m sorry. I am on your side, sincerely, but it’s early in the morning where I live and I’m a night owl. So I need some coffee to kick in but I can only watch C-SPAN material when I’m on vacation. Also, I was informed recently that there will be FIVE MORE hearings when I thought there was only 3. I will catch the highlights to stay abreast.

Peace.

I’m not liking that rep. Shiff is getting to do all the questioning. NBC says he’s leading the the witnesses, instead of letting them tell the story. I NBC is right.

r127, is the reason the word yawn was invented.

It must have been hard for those longtime Republican officials to face up to what a dishonest thug the man they voted for was.

R130 Agreed. They should switch it up a bit. Too much Schiff.

Some would vote for him again....after all this. Barr, for example.

R122, DWN, I thought I’d heard Rudy was disbarred in DC.

R130 Have you not watched all the hearings? Each one has a different "lead" congressmember to ask the questions.

I'm no fan of Schiff (who sometimes gets too up in his own self-righteousness) but he's been one of the best so far. He has a background as a prosecutor - and, unlike some of the others, is not reading everything.

And it's a hearing, not a trial. The point is to deliver evidence... "leading the witness" is irrelevant.

“Axxed me” Why do they say “axx” for ‘ask?’ They consistently have a problem with that word.

What a coincidence that Trump would specifically go after election workers, by name, repeatedly (18 times), that happen to be black...

R130, thank you for sharing.

I wish Trump was dead.

Rudy was suspended from practicing law in NY last year. Don't know what, if any, update there is.

These hearings are so powerful. Clear, factual, compelling.

tRUMP and Giuliani need to be behind bars.

How awful to be an ordinary citizen attacked by the President of the United States!

These are Republican witnesses. Maybe not hostile, but not necessarily willing to say anything not specifically covered in the question. Yes, they are leading with questioning. For damn good reason.

This isn’t a trial. Hamilton Burger is not there to shout “Objection! Leading the witness!” 🙄

FUCK OFF, R137! Grow a pair and/or grow up. Shove the colloquial "ax" up your putrid ass!

Do you monitor Black speech for a living?

Every time. Every goddamn time!

What's the name of the Count Dracula looking guy behind this election worker?

WHY DONT THEY SUE RUDY AND TRUMP??

This is the easiest case in history to win

"Authorities allege Coleman believed in the QAnon conspiracy theory, which includes the false belief that former president Donald Trump has secretly been battling a cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles at the highest levels of political power and influence."

R140 I wish Trump WERE dead... subjunctive case, contrary to fact.

R137 "They" really? I assume you mean Black people? Does Lester Holt or Don Lemon say "ax"? No, they have a different dialect. America has many, many dialects with distinct pronunciation problems. If you sent me a tape of your own speech I could point out pronunciation that was not "standard"....

I know. These two should be in prison....can't be any more obvious, with all the damning evidence....how are they not indicted?? This frustrates me.

They should sue Rudy. Don’t think you can sue a sitting President.

Wow! Shay’s and her mom’s life has been turned upside down. They should sue Trump and RNC.

Can't Shay and Ruby sue Trump and Giuliani for making their lives hell? I don't know the civil laws they can sue under but there must be lawyers out there who can come up with a civil lawsuit.

Distraction.

R147: Ms. Moss and her mother prevailed in their civil suit.

[quote] Don’t think you can sue a sitting President.

Trump is not a sitting president

He was when he said those lies.

Her mama just said “axxed” too. Sorry pointing that out upsets some people. It’s just a fact.

If I were them, I think I’d move, but I suppose that’s not an easy option for them.

Why are you thanking yourself for sharing, "Ethan" at R139?

Grifters know their targets. Dump targeted black citizens to satisfy his marks.

The people who adhered to the oath of the Constitution and had the courage not to cave under intense pressure....will they, or others like them, want to be around for the next time? The thugs will replace the good people. That is one of my biggest fears.

R146, he was sitting next to Lady Ruby during her taped testimony. Might be their attorney. You can start there.

Dump tawks funny too.

Since the hearings, Biden's approval rating continues to decline.

538 average of polls: 39.5% approval

His lowest so far.

And the RealClearPolitics average of polls: 39.6% approval

R151 To inflame people who get annoyed by hearing people say "ax"

[quote] He was when he said those lies.

He continued to say them after he left office

[quote]It's a fucking dialect.

It is a sign of ignorance.

Yeah, the Magats would easily believe those Black election workers would surely cheat. They have a little more trouble passing those election officials off as RINOs.

[quote]Ms. Moss and her mother prevailed in their civil suit.

They settled with OAN (hope they got a bundle). Local reports say "The lawsuit also included defamation claims against Giuliani. The anticipated settlement does not include him." I don't know if that means they're still pursuing a claim against him or what.

R165 Missing the point. These witnesses have been almost all Republicans who would vote Republican in 2024 no matter what and I am SURE disapprove of Biden.

R160, thank you for pointing out my mistake. It was meant for R136. Mea culpa.

Wanna bet R168 says "There's two chairs over there..."??

Send me a tape of your speech, I'll tell you how you don't speak "standard" English, guaranteed.

[quote]Grifters know their targets. Dump targeted black citizens to satisfy his marks.

That, and to satisfy his depraved psyche, R161; much like the trash posting here constantly about a common cultural mispronunciation.

Did they get enough dramatic sound bites for the news tonight? That’s all most people will see.

" No one is watching"= fap, fap, fap

Liz makes an appeal to Pat Cipollone to testify and says the committee is "in litigation" with Mark Meadows.

Be nice if at least one of those bore fruit.

R175 Yep. "Mormons save the country." The Mormon guy is going to score unlike any other.

Shaye Moss and her mother also sued Gateway Pundit, but I don’t believe that case has been resolved yet. I agree they should sue Trump.

It's a wrap until Thursday...

Dominion sue dump. One trillion.

The hearings will affect what some voters feel about Trump. The one who benefits most is probably Ron DeSantis not necessarily Biden.

R182 Agreed. I think Trump is slowly slipping off the screen.... it'll take a while.

Not sure DeSantis will get the Trump turnout.... he'd likely beat Biden, but it's far from sure Biden will run.

DeSantis because some Repubs will feel Trump is too toxic to nominate. I hope so anyway.

Magats want desatan in office. Desatan lost his election to the closeted black guy.

The hearings are not about Biden. They are not “my team vs. your team.” They are about Trump, and one of the goals is to make Trump an outcast, someone who can never participate in politics again. If that benefits DeSantis, so be it.

Mses. Freeman and Shay sued and settled.

^^Mses. Freeman and "Moss" @ my R187.

The average Republican voter will NEVER, EVER admit they've been repeatedly duped and conned by the likes of Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and most especially tRump. They'll just keep doubling and tripling down on these lunatic GQP politicians until we end up with a fascist dictatorship. They'd prefer that over admitting they were wrong all along and that the liberals or Democrats may have been correct.

They’ll have highlights of Bower and the two election workers. They will be dramatic and emotional.

Today's hearing was emotional. The respondents were in tears when testifying.

[quote]The respondents were in tears when testifying.

Mr. Kellyann Conway said he was in tears during their testimony.

I caught this early this morning on YouTube. From last night’s Rachel Maddow show. She focused on Bowers in the segment.

I don't understand how George Con. Way. reconciles his marriage to a dump propagandist with his Twitter persona.

Are both the CON-ways gay? Lavender marriage?

Man even the Republicans who won't bow down to Trump like Rusty Bowers still seem fucking nuts

[quote] "It is a tenet of my faith that the Constitution is divinely inspired,"

The constitution that wouldn't free the slaves and only considered the 3/5 of a human but not human enough to be able to vote. The constitution that didn't think women were worthy of the vote.

Not rocking the boat. Being polite and allowing others to lie is how we got stuck with dump. Kelly Ann Con. Way. is promoting her memoir. No one asks her any tough questions and allows her to vomit her nasty word salad. This is on CNN, not fox entertainment.

[quote]“Axxed me” Why do they say “axx” for ‘ask?’ They consistently have a problem with that word.

Because fuck you, that's why.

In this day and age, of all the fucking things to be bothered by!

Will they hear testimony from Michigan & Pennsylvania on Thursday? They were the other states that were pressured to submit a fake list of electors.

Only the most vile, lowest forms of subhumans would comment on the victim’s grammar. It’s not worth a response.

Criticism of the regional accents and the flashy manicure of the respondents are made with the intent to undermine their testimony.

Dump speaks with a low class regional accent, his supporters think he tawks cute.

One thing I'm worried about with giving these "decent Repugs" any praise is that when there are future issues in Arizona or Georgia (and we know there will be), these clips of Democrats praising them for their integrity will be held up as proof there were no actual shenanigans.

If you listen closely, that Speaker of the Arizona House said there were no laws that allowed him to do any of the things he was being asked to do. The huge problem is that the Repugs in these states have spent the last couple of years putting those laws in place that WILL allow state-level Repugs to do the type of things that they were legally restricted from doing last time.

I caught that too R196. I was staring at the tv open-mouthed like "WTF?"

And there is a disconnect with the Republican voter--like Raffensberger said, people left the Presidential spot blank but voted down-ballot for the Republicans. So they didn't like tRump but they voted down ballot for all of his enablers--that makes no sense at all. People are no longer voting on policy (or they are so ill-informed about what they think they are getting from the GQP because they listen to nothing but Fox and the right wing media machine).

Miss Shay & Lady Ruby have indeed filed suite against Ghouliani, as well as OAN. Hopefully they'll also sue Trump at some point.

"Here's a thought: don't put a perpetual liar on the air."

The title should be, "Here's the Book Deal".

The election workers with had me in tears two. They should bankrupt that orange hog.

too*

R207: check out Jason Johnson's visceral reaction to the women's plight on today's "Deadline: White House" beginning at 25 minutes in. So true.

And decent people all over the country working at the polls, health departments, flight crews, teaching our kids, etc. are getting run out of their jobs by the MAGA mobs. We're losing a lot of good people because they're not getting paid enough to put up with a bunch of screaming crazy people.

[quote]We're losing a lot of good people because they're not getting paid enough to put up with a bunch of screaming crazy people.

And they're being systematically replaced with people more than willing to do the bidding of someone like Trump.

ABC News anchor David Muir pushes back against Chris Christie for equating the 2000 election between Gore and Bush to the Jan. 6 insurrection.

"I just don't want our audience thinking there is a real equivalency here when you have a former president who is sowing seeds of doubt"

[quote]Ron Johnson delivered fake elector ballots to DC? Did I hear correctly?

R88 No, you didn't hear it correctly. Johnson offered to deliver Michigan and Wisconsin ballots to DC but was refused.

Apologies for those of you who are tired of me pointing it out, but African American Vernacular, the Newfoundland Dialect and “pirate speak” all share a grammatical and pronunciation heritage from the dialects spoken by people in the South of England who manned the slave boats and fished for cod in the 17th and 18th centuries.

A white merchant from Poole in 1750 would probably understand a person speaking AAV more easily than the people making fun of “ax.”

So a bunch of Trumpsters forced their way into Shay's grandmother (Lady Ruby's mother)'s house to make a "citizens' arrest" even though the grandmother had NOTHING to do with the election?

Call it what it was: a lynch mob.

So brave for these turds to go up against an elderly woman who lived alone.

Curious why dump hates America.

He's a narcissistic sociopath, r216. He doesn't feel a sense of patriotism or of the greater good. It's *all* about him.

R213, actually, Johnson had fake elector documents with him in DC and had to be stopped from handing them to Pence on January 6.

Team Trump and an extremist MAGA ( minority) faction of loud, angry, conspiracy theorists and liars have vandalized America. The only people worse than them in this country are the people who are indifferent about it and them.

John Eastman should be disbarred along with Giuliani, Lin Wood, Jenna Ellis, & Sydney Powell.

It’s not as if this desire to kill our government was kept secret by these Nazis

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(Reuters) - Lawyers for the Texas state bar on Tuesday defended their ethics claims against pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell over her role in litigation contesting the 2020 presidential election.

The state bar's disciplinary arm in March sued Powell, who has called the ethics case "baseless," in Texas state court for what it said were "frivolous" lawsuits challenging Democratic President Joe Biden's win against Republican Donald Trump. Powell's attorneys in May asked the Dallas court to throw out the case, and a hearing is scheduled for next week.

Powell "has referred to [her] right to file the lawsuits at issue as 'unfettered.' This is incorrect," Texas disciplinary attorneys Kristin Brady and Rachel Craig told Judge Tonya Parker in Dallas in Tuesday's filing. "An attorney's speech rights within the confines of litigation are not absolute."

The case against Powell is part of a wave of actions initiated by either bar disciplinary officials or judges in response to meritless efforts claiming fraud pervaded the 2020 presidential election.

[quote]How awful to be an ordinary citizen attacked by the President of the United States!

It was horrible. Of course, it isn't thought Trump was a "real" president. But still.

I never understood why Ruby Johnson and her daughter allowed their suit against the Trump supporting Network OAN to be dismissed after OAN issued a statement.. OAN just issued this statement “The results of this investigation indicate that Ruby Freeman and Wandrea ‘Shaye’ Moss did not engage in ballot fraud or criminal misconduct while working at State Farm Arena on Election Night,”. They still have a suit against Giuliani.

I am gratified Lady Ruby called dump out personally for his bullshit.

You know these hearings are important when Starfleet sends someone from the future to observe.

I have impure thoughts about Adam Schiff.

Adam Schiff rocks

Della and Wisconsin dataloungers - please do all you can to defeat Ron Johnson!

It is likely that Trump himself, personally, will never acknowledge the innocence of Shae Moss and Ruby Freeman. That would involve admitting fault, and that's something he never does. He will double and triple down on the accusations, continuing to repeat them within MAGAt circles. Just as he has always continued to insist on the guilt of the Central Park Five:

I was wrong about Kinziger being in prime time. He’s up next.

Absolutely, r229.

Interesting his fat fucking mouth hasn't come out with anything much today considering how horribly he came off for terrorizing those poor women. Only the biggest piece of shit would not feel terrible for them.

Looks like it's padding his engagement numbers on truth social.

Stollen?

Sure, you dumb fuck. Malign fruit cake while you're at it.

It's stupidity and it's ignorance soothes his supporter's insecurities who are equally ignorant and yes, stupid. It's ignoble term as POTUS is the triumph of the violently uneducated and undeserving. Dump has a feral ratlike intelligence for the grift but his supporters don't even have that much!

Keep drinking honey, R236. You’ll get there.

I like Adam Schiff too, he's thoughtful and incisive. He expresses himself well, but I sometimes wish he'd speak with more passion or show some more emotion.

Magats get blocked.

Rusty Bowers would vote for Trump again!

Sickening, R240.

r130 and r139 made me laugh. Newbie trolls, am I right?

[quote]Rusty Bowers would vote for Trump again!

He may be a fool, but people like him who are true believers but still called out lies & did the right thing blunt the notion that this is all a partisan hit job.

He wouldn't cheat for Trump but he would vote for him.

MAGA adjacent.

R240 Our great pathology, right? His strict ethical demands of his religion made him recognize Trump's evil, but... (what? abortion? economic policy? lower taxes? immigration policy?) he still would vote for Trump. Stopping to review the "charity" of the Book of Mormon, there is greater alignment with the compassionate intent of center-left policies. But like the rural and rust belt and red state working classes, who have consistently voted against their economic interests, this LDS guy will vote against the policies most aligned to his values.

It's very far from certain that this illness of tribalism over analysis will kill our Republic.

[quote]His strict ethical demands of his religion made him recognize Trump's evil, but... (what? abortion? economic policy? lower taxes? immigration policy?) he still would vote for Trump

This may be the best summation I've read of the fundamentalist religion infatuation with Trump and the GOP. Bowers is a Mormon, not an evangelical, but I think the faiths share much of this underlying pathology:

"For decades, conservative White evangelicals have championed a rugged, even ruthless “warrior” masculinity. Believing that “gender difference” was the foundation of a God-given social order, evangelicals taught that women and men were opposites. God filled men with testosterone so that they could fulfill their God-ordained role as leaders, as protectors and providers. Testosterone made them aggressive, and it gave them a God-given sex drive. Men needed to channel their aggression, and their sex drives, in ways that strengthened both family and nation.

Generations of evangelicals consumed millions of books and listened to countless sermons expounding these “truths.” Within this framework, there was ready forgiveness for male sexual misconduct. It was up to women to avoid tempting men who were not their husbands and meet the sexual needs of men who were. When men went astray, there was always a woman to blame. For men, misdeeds could be written off as too much of a good thing or perhaps a necessary evil, as evidence of red-blooded masculinity that needed only to be channeled in redemptive directions.

Within evangelical communities, we see these values expressed in the way organizations too often turn a blind eye to abuse, blame victims, and defend abusers in the interest of propping up a larger cause – a man’s ministry, an institution’s mission, or the broader “witness of the church.”

In 2016, we heard precisely this rhetoric in defense of Donald Trump. Trump was a man’s man. He would not be cowed by political correctness, but would do what needed to be done. He represented “a John Wayne America,” an America where heroic men were not afraid to resort to violence when necessary in pursuit of a greater good. Evangelicals did not embrace Trump in spite of his rough edges, but because of them."

Which is why conservatives (the "Supreme" Court) forgive rapists and shame their victims. Horrific.

Sorry R242, I’m neither a “newbie nor a troll. Just interested in our government and justice.

And now a message from your local Republican, deeply religious, anti-abortionist, molester.

Ethan is a mega-Troll.

"So unfair! BOTH SIDES!!!"

[quote] Team Trump and an extremist MAGA ( minority) faction of loud, angry, conspiracy theorists and liars have vandalized America.

I seem to recall some lady once accurately referring to these types of people as Deplorables. Just one of many things she was correct about.

The only thing she was wrong about, r251, was it's not some small number... they're all deplorables.

Here's a story from 10/24/21 that shows that there was a "vast right wing conspiracy" . Yesterday, the DOJ confirmed that future J6 hearings will focus on the relationship between the PB/OK and congress. The finale in prime time will show what Trump was doing before, during and after the insurrection. Jared hired a documentary film made as a "legacy" and the filmmaker has surrendered his footage. 🍿

R246 That's good analysis. What's very clear is that religion is embedded in culture, and what's described as influencing these odd choices is not spiritual, but cultural (patriarchy, white supremacy).

And it's just so crazy... Trump absolutely stands for "a real strong man" for MAGA. A man who avoided military service, wears full make up, tortures his hair do with hairspray, lifts in his shoes.. is the Alpha. His "pussy grabbing" actually probably enhanced his attraction. Verbally saying how they disapproved... but in reality drawn to him even more. Like Walker's many babies out of wedlock... "oh that's wrong" but it just means he's "a real man"... Pentecostal/evangelical churched have MORE illegitimate babies and more adultery/divorce than the general population? Just fuck up and ask for forgiveness.

I've long thought that the only way out of the insanity of the last few decades... slipping into autocracy while destroying the planet... is a spiritual revival. Which would also mean taking back religious spaces from the Culture Warriors....

To add….Dump has likely had and paid for many of his prostitutes to have an abortion after he rawdogged them. He’s also a lifelong democrat and certainly has never lived a lifestyle anything similar to a Christofascist.

[My family members are staunch Republicans and they are so naive that they don’t know that Dump has been married THREE times! Yes, righteous Christians who believe in serial monogamy instead of having multiple spouses at the same time. Give me a fucking break! If they really obeyed scripture than the govt should only recognize ONE marriage only and not serial monogamy. Hypocrites!]

r255

Like R255, I also have relatives who are so ill-informed, they didn't know Dump had been married multiple times. I also had to clue them in that Melania hates his guts and rolls her eyes behind his back at every opportunity. They also didn't know that we'd all seen Melania's pussy and her pseudo-lesbian photoshoots. But they still make excuses for them like "that was in the past", "he's a different person now", etc.

And yes, no doubt Dump has paid for multiple abortions but if evidence of that came to light, these types would just make excuses. But GOD FORBID any Democrat stands up for a woman's right to do what she wants with her own body--they will all burn in hell!!!!! I still say it's too bad Covid didn't kill more of these types off, they're too far gone to come back to anything resembling reality.

Hillary was always insightful and has coined a lot of phrases and nouns that have become a part of our popular vernacular (I.e., ‘It takes a Village’, ‘Deplorables’ etc. And we don’t give her much credit for her wisdom).

[It still cracks me up when she sensed GWB had a thing for African-American women: She observed GW and Condi and said it was like life on a plantation. It was an off the cuff remark but still cracks me up to this day!]

R257. Just give COVID more time and it will deliver these religious nuts to heaven.

The article at R246 doesn’t address evangelical Christianity’s attitude towards gay people and same-sex marriage; it doesn’t have to. Any religion founded on “traditional” masculinity and sex roles will see homosexuality not as a private matter but as a profound threat to the “natural order” of the world.

They would forgive Trump paying for abortions, R257 but they wouldn't forgive the woman he knocked up having them. The (straight) man is always forgiven by the "Christians" and the woman is always villified. It helps perpetuate this, that most of their leaders are all male. It's easier for them to get away with cheating, molesting, etc when they're training their flock to excuse every other dude related to their church or message.

r258 r259

Are devout Christian women really just sadomasochists?

That could be a title a PhD. dissertation.

I think they are. And these devout Christian mothers poison their offspring that favor sons that can do no wrong and treat their daughters as if they are always wrong and should know their place as inferior and mere servants to men as their overlords. Yes. Patriarchy reigns supreme in Christianity.

r238- I think they've been coached to act like they're at a funeral so there won't be any pictures of them looking gleeful on FOX news. None of them has cracked a smile during the hearing though Schiff looked like the cat who swallowed the canary with Maddow last night. Discussing the bizarre Ron Johnson story carrying the documents but not knowing who sent them and then pretending to be on the phone when questioned by a reporter.

Oh dear myself. He was discussing the story ABOUT RJ carrying the fake elector documents...

EXT. CAPITOL PARKING LOT. AFTERNOON

RON JOHNSON strides across the lot, phone to his ear. JOURNALISTS scurry alongside, jockeying for position, seeking his attention.

JOHNSON: "I'm on the phone!"

JOURNALIST: "No you're not. I can see your screen."

[Too funny!]

I love how Manu owned him.

Mark Meadows Offered MAGA Gear To Officials Willing To Overturn 2020 Election

[quote]But they still make excuses for them like "that was in the past", "he's a different person now", etc.

"He's an imperfect man ... but so was King David and the Lord used him as a vessel for good."

That's their standard go-to for Trump.

[quote]"He's an imperfect man ... but so was King David and the Lord used him as a vessel for good."

"David *was* perfection (and I don't mean that dumb lump of clay posing in MikeyLo's studio!)"

Suddenly, jellyfish-spined republicans are realizing that telling the truth can make you a money making hero.

R268 I saw Meadows signing autographs quite a bit. I had never seen a Chief of Staff signing autographs in my life. I barely see Ron Klain

r268- "Just send Karen a bunch of stuff from the promo-cabinet, women love that shit."

Will Kinzy be conducting tomorrow's hearing shirtless?

[quote]R269: "He's an imperfect man ... but so was King David and the Lord used him as a vessel for good."

An appalling and self-serving apologetical development. Conservative Christians seem to be closing off any possibility of biblical criticism of their own behavior. It's right up there with their recently-crafted exegesis of the Synoptic story of the Rich Young Ruler (Mk.10:17-31; Mt.19:16-30; Lk.18:18-30): 'Jesus was speaking only to that person and to no one else.'

R218 My apologies. I'm the one who misunderstood!

[quote]It still cracks me up when she sensed GWB had a thing for African-American women: She observed GW and Condi and said it was like life on a plantation.

R258 I'm a Hillary fan but she should have apologized for that remark. I don't give a shit about GWB but that comment was uncalled for regarding Condi.

R275 Yep. Biblical exegesis in the service of class, domination, oppression, bigotry. I guess it always was so (my grandfather, a minister then bishop in his church, explained the diminished position of Black people because of the curse on the children of Ham - Genesis 9:18). The Bible has always been used to serve the purposes of cultural domination and colonization.

Only the Sermon on the Mount - pretty clear, you can't fuck with it. Which is why it's mostly ignored.

R88 my apologies to you, also.

I see what you did there R270.

I remember James Carville going on Larry King and pulling out King David in regards to Bill Clinton when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke. It’s an all purpose cover for men behaving badly.

Note the use of the book of Daniel in the Pence related hearing. Daniel faithfully serves a wicked pagan king (Nebuchadnezzar) as far as he is able and then accepts a likely death sentence when he can’t obey him on moral grounds. The Lord protects Daniel and then Nebuchadnezzar is destroyed by a third party. It’s an alternate scriptural framework for the Evangelicals to understand Trump.

Please do shut up R280. Nobody wants to read that shit.

Also R281, the adulation for Trump has no basis in scripture. 🙄

They’re in a cult!!

[quote]Nobody wants to read that shit

I do, r281....so shut up.

These hard core Xtians also think it's just fine for preachers at mega-churches to lead lavish lifestyles, own private jets, etc. They have been conditioned to giving all of their cash away to con men and women.

"There's a sucker born every minute....and three to take 'em"

My niece despises her mother, who is a crazed evangelical Trump supporter. She hacked her mother's Facebook and read a FB group made up of other Trump-loving evangelical women. She said the group was full of sexual innuendo and fantasies of how they pictured themselves in sexual situations with Trump, how manly he is, etc. It's nauseating to imagine, but they swoon over him.

WaPo: FBI agents conducted court authorized law enforcement activity Wednesday morning at two locations. One was the home of Brad Carver, a Georgia lawyer who allegedly signed a document claiming to be a Trump elector. The other was the Virginia home of Thomas Lane, who worked on the Trump campaign’s efforts in Arizona and New Mexico.

Separately, at least some of the would-be Trump electors in Michigan also received subpoenas on Wednesday.

R286 Just like the insurrectionists, all of the MAGAts committed crimes for their orange God. They will go to jail and he gets to play golf all day. If I were them, I'd be pissed.

The don't have minds of their own. They've been indoctrinated.

Tomorrow's hearing (3 pm ET) will reveal more of the names that sought pardons in the wake of Jan. 6, per CNN.

Woo-hoo!

More than anything, whatever needs to be done to make it happen, is there any way in hell we can have some hearing and see Trump himself testify? Asked questions by committee members? We know he is the ultimate narcissist. There has to be a way to trick him into testifying on his own behalf. I mean, he's always bragging that he wants equal time, and he'd love to testify.

David Cay Johnston is one of the very few who not only won a lawsuit against Trump, but received the payment. He got Trump to testify. Maybe the committee could hire him as a consultant.

Imagine the ratings? If anything, bait Trump with that?

Of course, what I'd really love more than anything, is to see Trump testify wearing only his diaper. It's not secret that he wears one at all times and a crew of three has to change it a few times a day, is it? It was heavily discussed in the Noel Casler thread. Casler was a casting associate for the entire run of Celebrity Apprentice.

[quote]a crew of three has to change it a few times a day

It's that heavy?

I think Trump would just do what he did during the debates: bellow, whine and scream over top of everyone. The MAGAs would love it, but I don't think it would accomplish anything and probably derail what has been up to this point very organized & to the point. Better to have all these people give testimony implicating him, thereby building a fence around him

Re: R285

It doesn't surprise me that MAGAt women are rubbing themselves off to thoughts of having Trump's lard all over them. I think it's pretty obvious the majority of those ladies were molested as children and that they (over)eat to try and soothe their pain and anger from it. For them to fantasize about such a cruel, odious, pig of a human just unconsciously continues the cycle of abuse. I'd feel sorry for them but their vote(s) count and they're helping to make America the shithole it just might become, so I can't.

My own mother is a Trump lover and life-long Southern Baptist Church member and I was raised in this environment. This actually happened to me in real life.

INT. TOYOTA CAMRY.

A mother and her teenaged son and daughter are driving home from Sunday morning service during an outbreak of Christian men and infidelity scandals on TV.

SON: Why was Pastor Steve seen in that bar with that other woman on Friday night? We were all talking about it in Sunday school.

MOTHER: Pastor Steve is just a man. A man who has a penis.

DAUGHTER: Well, he better fucking learn to keep it in his pants!

Mother and son GUFFAW hysterically.

I spit out my coffee just now watching a clip of this documentary and seeing Ivagina claim her dad is 'honest". Is this bitch for real like like her lopsided balloon tits? Is it a mockumentary or just edited as such.

R293 People speculating about the debates in 2024 having been paying attention - Trump last time didn't observe the rules and just bellowed (a good descriptor) like a wounded bull, AND the RNC just this year has formally pulled out of the Presidential Debate. If Trump were to run again it's unlikely there would be any debate under any format we'd recognize.

American politics - broken in the last ten years and no map to repair them. What is even possible? Well, Jan 6 Hearings are exactly important for these reasons.

I thought the hearings aired at one pm. I killed myself racing home from work to watch!

CNN has the Watergate stars covering: John Dean, Woodward & Bernstein with Anderson Cooper. That’s the channel I’m watching.

R299 Easy now, hush love hush, don't distress yourself, what's your rush. Keep your thoughts nice and lush, wait.

Oh, for fuck's sake Sean Penn. COMB YOUR HAIR.

Why is Adam wearing a shirt?

You can't come out shirtless, you have to build up to it.

Did Starfleet send a rep today or has the timeline been fixed?

Devastating takedown of Clark.

"Go back to your office and when there's an oil spill we'll call you."

Yeah, yeah, no one's opinion will be changed, but some of these videos are wickedly well constructed.

Hunky Adam on RIGHT NOW! I have the vapors!

[quote]You can't come out shirtless, you have to build up to it.

So after the next break?

I bet Adam has his butt plug in under his suit.

Dataloungers have notoriously and consistently low standards. There are no hunks present at the hearing.

Dump, " we won this in a land. thllllliiiiide".

Guliani= "🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗"

Rosen "The Quizzical"

How dumb do you need to be to TEXT this stuff! Is Clark testifying today?

No.

[quote] Dataloungers have notoriously and consistently low standards. There are no hunks present at the hearing.

My comments about Kinzinger at R307 and R309 are parody of all of the people here who swoon over him.

r315, you assume too much...

A leftist top here, but I think I'd be ok with Liz Cheney pegging me.

Fuck, Louis Gohmert is a slobbering idiot.

(I'm a bit behind in my streaming.)

R318 That's one unfortunate takeaway from these hearings. Liars, snakeoil salesmen, grifters, lunatics, deranged extremists, sleazeballs, head cases, thugs and criminals.... and they are mainstream Republicans whose party members support them 85%.

Say what you will about Liz Cheney being an evil Cheney, but she has fabulous hair and clothes. She must have a good stylist on the payroll.

She has BDE and is a great speaker. Too bad she's only temporarily on our side.

[quote] Liars, snakeoil salesmen, grifters, lunatics, deranged extremists, sleazeballs, head cases, thugs and criminals....

And they're as tenacious as white on rice, R319, in their service to donald.

The guy testifying now has a cute Mo Rocca-like lisp

I sure hope these police officers like Harry Dunn and Daniel Hodges are getting the day off with pay to attend these hearing and not having to use personal time or vacation days.

Trump - “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen”.

This is the smoking gun.

Coupled with other testimony demonstrates both Trump’s substantive involvement and corrupt intent, requisite state of mind.

" Just find me 11,780 votes, which is one more than we need." Is definitely proof. It's right there. On tape.

Italians changing votes via satellite? Insanity!!

"you guys may not be following the internet the way I do"

That's the smoking gun. Digital information/social media destroyed our Republic, the Public Sphere, and simple Reason from 2010-2022.

The exact quote is "I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have." Oddly worded, but everyone knew what he meant.

Will this be enough for Garland to indict? It's right there in his face.

R330 No, Trump will not be indicted. Santis will be the Republican nominee however.

Is that Donald Hollinger of Newsview Magazine sitting a couple rows behind Rosen?

[quote]I sure hope these police officers like Harry Dunn and Daniel Hodges are getting the day off with pay to attend these hearing and not having to use personal time or vacation days.

I could be wrong, but I thought they were on "administrative leave" (or something like that)

No, he's here with me.

Trump's shitshow (presidency) was more insane than I thought. TG we survived it.

Block. Magats.

Incredible what a CROOK tRUMP is. What we here at DL and across the country always knew.

So grateful for these guys to stand and protect our democracy.

I did love the comment that Clark was an environmental attorney and told….If we have an oil spill, we’ll call you!!!

Can't wait for the British documentary footage next month.

"What do I have to lose?" - fucking pig

This is wild

Just for context for the MAGA trolls and adjacent who may be reading this thread and may consider how to undermine what's presented: ALL these guys testifying are very, very conservative Republicans.

R339, he had no thought about anything or anyone but himself.

Hollywood couldn’t come up with such a wild story. Trump was not only corrupt but incompetent and insane.

From Trump….only the best!!!! Jeff Clark!!!!

Am I the only one cruising the room? I see some hott-ish three piece suits...

[quote]No, Trump will not be indicted. Santis will be the Republican nominee however.

So basically what you're saying is that all of this is for naught.

R343 Competent? He completely understood the grift. "I could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and they wouldn't care."

It is hurting Trump’s bid to run again.

Kinzinger is doing a good job.

[quote] not only corrupt but incompetent and insane.

And surrounded by fellow nutcases (Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Ginni Thomas etc.) egging him on. It’s really astounding. The inmates running the asylum.

He does look like Donald Hollenger (sp) in the two rows behind....lol

R345 Not even remotely what I said. The "Great Man" will now slowly slide into the dustbin of history. There is a clear record now for history of the insurrection and sedition, and who was responsible. Many will be indicted. Many will serve jail time.

But Trump will not be the head of the Republican Party... I give it about a year, depends on some results in November. Because in large part because of these hearings.

Just hopped on this thread so forgive me if this has been covered upthread, but I thought the Hearings were having a documentarian testify today and showing clips of his film......is it not today?

[quote]It is hurting Trump’s bid to run again.

Eliminating Trump, who would most likely lose again anyway, and making way for a DeSantis run is not something that's going to be advantageous to the Democrats.

Here we go; the named pardonees.

Dump, was a lifelong Democrat until the grift called him to the Pukes.

Matt Gaetz and Mo Brooks among those who asked for a pardon.

Naming all the names..

Perry, Biggs and Gohmert asked for one, as well.

R353 This about the Constitution and the law, not about DNC strategies.

And the Republic may or may not surive.... but the Constitution is above party.

Gaetz started agitating for a pardon in early December.

Honey they are giving Matt Gaetz the BUSINESS!

"The only reason I know to ask for a pardon is because you think you've committed a crime."

Adam Kingzinger

"We axx..."

Oh, Bennie, c'mon.

The gate for Gaetz!

R363 No, that's best written "come on"... c'mon is not acceptable in writing, below standard.

Lock THEM up!

Ooof!

Kinzinger bringing it home.

Gaetz wanted a pardon spanning from birth to death

Good closing by Kinzinger..

Let the Republicans bring it home and clean up this garbage. The Adam and Liz show.

Agreed. Start with removing dumps Scotus members who are out of control

What really scares me is if Trump is ever elected President again, he won't have any traditional Republicans in any office, they will all be Trump toadies who will never push back on any of his crazy ideas or attempts to steal our democracy.

Kinzinger is kinda mush-mouthed. He doesn't come across as the most intelligent or articulate man. Thank goodness he was born pretty.

R374 He "reads" as an everyman, a regular guy. He doesn't sound like a politician. I think it's his strength.

I think he did fine.

Dump. Lost 2016 and 2020.

Interesting more people want to supply information now. Maybe they see how brave and honest the witnesses so far have looked. Maybe they just want to try to get on the right side of history.

Earlier on CNN Woodward and Bernstein said this was far worse and substantial than Watergate. And there's still more evidence to come.

I had no problems with Kinzinger. He stumbled over a word once or twice, but that’s not surprising given the hours they’ve been working. Everyone was controlled and articulate.

My response to today's info: I am a liberal Democrat and I am grateful to these conservative Republicans of principle who told the President he could not overturn the Constitution, and they would not help him.

Today (not often the case for me) I felt like an American, not a Democrat

Of course this is worse.

The confederate flag never flew in the nation's capitol UNTIL J6.

Will they ultimately get Pence on the stand?

That Jeffery Clark, the environmental lawyer, sounds like a real piece of work. Those DOJ guys that worked with really hated him and shaded him throughout their testimony.

[quote] Donoghue said he told Clark, "You're an environmental lawyer. How about you go back to your office, and we'll call you when there's an oil spill."

The FBI raided Clark’s home yesterday morning, taking out electronics while he stood in the street in his pajamas. It seems a lot of the former Trump loyalists have had to get jobs with think tanks made up of nothing but themselves. Unemployable!

[quote] Will they ultimately get Pence on the stand?

Only is Mother allows it and he thinks it will be politically advantageous for him, so NO.

The Italian satellites (sp)..affecting votes? Is that like the Jewish lasers?

Mother has always hated Trump. My guess is they’re both afraid their car will blow up if they speak against Trump. Too bad Pence doesn’t have a spine.

Mother is probably saying to herself, if only this dumb cunt I married had listened to me! I told you so!

Adam K will be on CNN in 5 minutes! Adam and Anderson together at last!

R385 Just in, Mo Brooks emailed saying he'd testify for the committee "in public only"

Not holding my breath, but there is slippage in Kray Kray World.

I really hope all sorts of graphic pedo PORN is found on Jeffrey Clark's computer.

I love the shit hitting the fan.

Brooks is worried about what the committee may already have on him. One of his conditions is that they turn over all information they have on him before he’ll testify. Not going to happen.

Check MINE! R390

Kinzingeer is now on with Jake Tapper. Adam has BDE right now...great serious face.

His blue shirt and tie make his blue eyes POP!

Mo Brooks = desperately seeking relevance

Kinzingeer did a great job and the respondents gave excellent testimony!

Kinzinger did great. He structured the narrative with complete clarity and allowed the witnesses, under oath, to tell their story.

It was riveting.

Kinzinger reiterating the point - this not to convict folks of crimes in the past, it's to remind us of the real danger in our future.

danger right now, SCOTUS is off the chain!

Aren't there some limitations on so-called pocket pardons?

Murdochs (i.e. the RNC powers that be) have already started to move their chips around.

Today's comments here were relevant and focused until the trolls showed up; it's telling how so many of us remained quiet and refused to engage them.

See you in July, folks.

R403 Many fewer Trump/troll comments than usual. Not sure what you see or intend.

R403, I really wonder though if even Murdoch can control these conspiracy theorists. A lot of them have already parted from Trump, not because they think he’s crazy, but because in their fevered minds, he’s not crazy enough. A lot of them are anti-vaxxers or Qanons, and they’re kind of a separate thing into themselves. They are angry Trump encouraged people to get vaxxed for a while.

Others think Trump is virtually a god and if he says different things on different days, they agree with everything no matter how much it changes. Those people will not change no matter what Fox says. They’ll go to OAN because Fox is “too liberal” as some of them say. If Fox loses viewers because they hop off the Trump train, what then? Will Murdoch let Fox run into the ground as long as he can? A lot of their viewers are pretty old and they’re dying off already in a few years, while younger people are cutting off cable. Maybe they want to cling to the aging viewers they have as long as they can.

Also, I’ve read one Murdoch offspring is more moderate, but the one that controls Fox more now is even more radical than Murdoch and there will be no moderation from him.

[quote]I am grateful to these conservative Republicans of principle who told the President he could not overturn the Constitution, and they would not help him.

Yeah, but if given the chance they will vote for him again.

Trump will not be able to stop himself from attacking DeSatan if he gets the nomination. Trump's cult will follow along.

Most of those “moderate” Republicans are shocked, simply shocked, that gambling was found in this establishment, but voted with Trump 90%+ of the time. And those are the “moderates.”

^Yeah, but you know, those people may be assholes, but they see the big picture & say "I hate X, but he/she advances the causes I care about." Dems won't vote for you if they think you're "woke enough" or militant about gender biases (or some damn thing like that). I get those things are important to people, but you gotta hand it to the repigs: their voters are discipled & show up & dems get mad & sit home if you're militant enough for them

Damn, almost got Gym Jordan asking for a pardon. He was pardon-adjacent.

DeSantis is much more dangerous for 2024 than Trump because he'll take pains not to make the same kind of clumsy mistakes Trump did.

Meanwhile on Fox News this evening, it’s all about the border! As it is every other night.

[quote]Kinzingeer is now on with Jake Tapper. Adam has BDE right now...great serious face.

KInzinger is cute as hell but BDE? No. He has LDE. Specifically, little-dick, cock-riding energy.

Former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani told the Jan. 6 committee he recalled having conversation that “Somebody should be put in charge of the Justice Department who who isn't frightened of what's going to be done to their reputation”

The Trumps did not have editorial control. Full stop.

I loved the way the three on the panel threatened Trump if he made Jeffrey Clark AG that they would resign as well as the entire Department of Justice.

R410 Much like he was sexual assault adjacent in those hot tubs.

I don't get it--what was that at R415? I couldn't watch the hearing today.

There's been so much juicy stuff in these hearings I can't understand how Fox can avoid televising it all just for ratings.

Will there be any film coverage of the Clark home break in by the FBI that will eventually leak?

R409 is trying to blame everything he doesn't like on trans people. Of course.

I don't have a shred of evidence for either of the following but here's what my random neurons come up with:

1. The execution of the search warrant on Jeffery Clark's home is because there is probable cause to believe there is evidence of obstruction of justice in his home

2. The execution of the search warrant on Jeffery Clark's home is because there is probable cause to believe there is evidence of child pornography in his home.

Or both

All that blue really suits DL Fave Adam K

Watching msnbc - Rachel Maddow doing a good job at regurgitating the hearing and drawing all the connections - some I didn't think about. There's just so many moving parts and individuals and overlapping timelines of events.

She needs to have her own Sean Hannity board with all the perpetrators and start drawing arrows live on tv.

R415 That doc of the tRumps will be like taking a hit of acid. He sat there and was obsessed with the glass of water and table next to him which was bizarre and surreal.

These hearings are mean to some of my finest gentleman callers.

R425 I wish people would stop with this “tRump” crap. It’s tiresome and annoying.

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R427, You DO get that when you become a DL scold, we do things 1000x more just to annoy you, right?

Scott Perry looks like a giant penis with a face painted on it. A real dick.

Trump was huffing & puffing in the video with the glass of water. Perhaps his girdle was too tight.

Luttig: Trump, Allies Are ‘Clear And Present Danger To American Democracy’

Quick question: Listening to Rachel Maddow’s recap, IF, if the DOJ gets enough evidence against Dump and can indict him, Is it true that the indictment in itself will nullify Dump from ever running for public office? Automatically? It gets a bit blurry, but there is a law that prevents a person from running IF the indictment involved a resurrection.

[quote]It gets a bit blurry, but there is a law that prevents a person from running IF the indictment involved a resurrection.

Leave me out of this.

This will be the trial of the decade if they indict them all and we will be dissecting it for decades in the future.

Plus, it kinda reminds me of the Manson Murders and having to piece all the evidence together so that they can go after Manson. This time, it will be Dump instead of Manson. Except Dump does not the mastermind to pull it off at this level.

Doesn't any trial end the moment the Repugs take over the Justice Department again? Or, the next Repug president just pardons all of them outright? Or, they hit a Trump/McTurtle installed idiot judge?

There is no justice for us when it comes to criminal Repugs. There never has been even once in the entire history of this shitty country. I hope a mob tars and feathers every single one of them. Let them burn.

R435. Good question. We need some legal experts here. Come on DL.

Given that Repugs are on record now that they will subvert all laws and the Consttution itself forces us to find ways to prevent this from happening again. These criminals have managed to exploit our Constitution to protect themselves from prosecution and hop through every possible legal loophole to stab us in the back.

Still, these depraved and their flock compose of a mere 30% of the Republican Party. The easiest way is to use some of their tactics to fight back. Including trying to splinter the Party. Sensible, centrist Pukes need to break away and form some other party. The Lincoln Party, for example.

Here’s a way to fuck up the RePigs - It’s likely that some of those 1/6 rioters resent Dump for not helping them get out of the clink. Some may come to believe they’ve been conned (they were!). If only they could switch sides to rail against Dump and rally the other Neanderthal.

There are ways, but the Democrats will have to do the work. The Pukes are successful because they work much harder at it. We have to be more vigilant as well.

Some one mused that he never thought Trump would be indicted, until today's hearing. He thinks it turned the tide. Trump came this close to completely taking over the DOJ. The only way for the DOJ to prevent this in the future is indictment. They have no choice now.

[quote] I am grateful to these conservative Republicans of principle who told the President he could not overturn the Constitution, and they would not help him.

Let's be very clear: these people are not doing this because they have principles. That's a convenient fiction. They're doing it because they're scared of the law coming for their asses too and they want their lives to be semi-livable when this is all over, without people spitting at them in the street and chasing them out of restaurants. FEAR is their motivator, not principles. They're Trumpster rethugs. They gave up on principles a long time ago.

What’s the DL take on Mo Brooks wanting to testify now? Will he spill it all since Trump abandoned him and he last the Rethug primary in his state? Who else may crack in the next 2 weeks …?

Rachel was speculating last night that it could be a setup to get MAGA-voiced testimony into the record on live tv. It was also stated that no prosecutor would want to put a witness under oath if they have no idea what they’re going to say, etc. which makes it unlikely to happen.

I don’t think the committee has much to gain by offering Brooks live testimony, etc. He’ll just be dismissed by MAGA as sour grapes and it would lower the standard of hearings thus far.

Plus, Brooks - who showed up on the dias in bullet-proofed, armoured vest - may have his own explaining to do if subpoenaed by the DOJ.

I don’t think of Mo Brooks as a star witness. More of a patsy and they have plenty of them.

The raid on Clarke’s home, along with 8 or 9 others, is very interesting. Because, lbh, that’s just one degree of separation away from Trump.

I cannot believe just how many Pigs, even long-established Republicans, are kissing Dump’s ass.

YOU WILL HEAR IT HERE FIRST….

I’m betting somehow Dump has either honey trapped a lot of them and/or gotten hold of blackmail material. And here’s the thing: This info could in large part have been collected from foreign sources (hint: Rhymes with “Prussia”). Sounds far fetched, but how can Orangturd have so many powerful government officials by the balls? What other reason? This, and the infamous Russian pee tape.

Perhaps I give Russia too much credit. Still, if money is always a motivating factor, than why would these power brokers be willing to give up their political careers and end up unemployed? Most successful Administrations manage to offer better paying jobs to staff members once they are out of office and grant them lucrative private sector positions.

Loyalty to Dump OTOH renders them broke and living in obscurity.

(What is Kellyanne Conway doing these days (not talking about her husband, but their shtick works out for them). Where is Stephen Miller today. Where is Hope Hicks? etc. it simply doesn’t pay off to be loyal to Dump for any of them). Even all of their hopeful cash cow books are bombing…So harsh, it all seems

p.s. What exactly is in Meuller’s unredacted report? Still begs the same question of Russian involvement. Taxpayers have paid for it, but we can’t access it? National security involved? The mind boggles.

There must be a link that is keeping it all under the lid for now and that link is RUSSIA.

[quote]They're doing it because they're scared of the law coming for their asses too and they want their lives to be semi-livable when this is all over, without people spitting at them in the street and chasing them out of restaurants.

While that's true, their testimonies will subject themselves and their families to unrelenting MAGA death threats and doxxing. Some have already been experiencing this for two years. That doesn't make them heroes, though, they're just facing the consequences of supporting a morally bankrupt party and president.

[quote]I’m betting somehow Dump has either honey trapped a lot of them and/or gotten hold of blackmail material.

It amazes me that people still think Republicans have to be blackmailed into being venal, craven and corrupt.

THAT'S WHO THEY ARE.

[quote]Rachel was speculating last night that it could be a setup to get MAGA-voiced testimony into the record on live tv. It was also stated that no prosecutor would want to put a witness under oath if they have no idea what they’re going to say, etc. which makes it unlikely to happen.

That's exactly it. He can ramble on and on about imaginary conspiracies and cast aspersions at the committee's "witch hunt." He'd be seen as a hero by the MAGA crowd.

R442, I think it’s as simple as their seats are threatened if they don’t have MAGA support.

What you describe requires far more effort than Trump would ever be willing to make and also a fair amount of competence that Trump does not possess.

By virtue of being in the orbit of a one-man crime wave they are themselves tainted with criminal culpability. It doesn’t have to be more than that.

So they are willing to risk goin to jail rather than lose their seats? Doesn’t add up. We are talking about Congressmen have held their seats for decades and have never felt this threatened before.

[quote]So they are willing to risk goin to jail rather than lose their seats?

Who do you think is going to jail?

I’m just floating the Russian connection because it would explain why we have so many loose ends and most people and the media have short attention spans. Also, keep in mind how the NRA-Russian dark money campaign funding flows through the Republican Party. It’s the SIMPLEST theory that connects many dots.

Russia!

R442. What if Russia saw Dump as the perfect blowhard stooge who happened to want to build a nice hotel there?

Courtesy of 2¢.

Speaking of Trump and Russia:

[quote] KInzinger is cute as hell but BDE?

Guys whose ears stick out like Kinzinger's have big dicks. Cf. Ken Ryker.

Big Dick Ears now? Really? It must not equate this because Dump has big ears but swings a tiny, big-headed mushroom dick.

[quote]Guys whose ears stick out like Kinzinger's have big dicks.

Yeah, I'm going to guess that's not universally true.

Someone mentioned Liz Cheney’s voice and style. This is not an accident. Republicans go through a sort of training on how to speak and dress. It often lasts years. With her pedigree she likely has been practicing her speech since birth. She does say “ummm” a lot, though. Her voice is actually whiny but she makes up for it by the way she speaks.

Link to thread 4

Thanks, Elderlez.

ElderLez, you linked to the hateful DefuckedUp's thread!

I’m sure Liz is breathing a sigh of relief that the hearings are going as well as could be expected. Her work and the rest of the Senate committee will go down favorably in historic records. Meaning, it is/will not go on record as a disaster. I think she took a gamble by going live on TV vs. closed door hearings and publicly-released indictments, but it has paid off. Sure enough, the hearings have made many rats jump the ship and even more evidence is coming out. Hopefully more Pukes will jump ship.

Now with this credibility factor, if they could parcel the info out piece by piece to allow enough media coverage from now into the Nov, it’ll taste exquisite!

Why did we need another thread? Aren’t we supposed to go to 600?

There's a part 4 up for the main thread on the hearings. You may prefer a supplemental auxiliary thread rather than participation in the general thread. We should make our own choices in how we choose to spend our spare time.

r462

FCI are you hearing any chatter from your sources on the Hill about how yesterday’s testimony went?

Give him time to make up a fake answer, R464.

ElderLez has shown herself to be a Conservative, like most lesbians.

I still intend to post on this thread for now and we can have a 4B when this thread gets glitchy if it appears that 4 is likely to get greyed out. (3 is greyed out for me already.) I’d like to make sure all of the threads are linked since they all have interesting posters and comments.

I do think that DeFacto and the other OP are two different conservative gay men.

r466

Well I do love Bill Weld R465, but I think anyone who knows my posting history is aware of my longstanding support for moderate to liberal Democrats such as Val Demmings and Joe Biden.

May I suggest simply starting a fresh new thread the day of the next hearings?

TIA!

r468

r471.

I hate getting a notice that there are new posts on a thread I am following and then they all turn out to be junk like the last few on this one that have nothing to do with the original topic. Guess you can add this post to that category, too.

Sorry R472.

I am interested to see if any of the House members who voted against certifying the election put out statements now disavowing their votes and stating that they would have voted differently had they been aware of all the facts.

They've all burrowed in to their shells and are hoping not to be noticed.

They should be putting the screws to Matt Gaetz; what happened to his sex-trafficing case? He needs a dollop of sedition and misuse of caampaign funds on top.

R473 - I thought some of them were pulling together a “shadow” report so that el Dumpo has a “voice” in the hearings?

I had heard that too R437, but given how tight these hearings are and the recent DOJ activities I’d have to think anyone with half a brain would be reconsidering if that is such a good move.

The way this is going now, I think DeSanty is going to end up being the Republican nominee for Prez next time. Shitler doesn't really WANT to be Prez anymore, but his psychotic narcissism isn't going to allow him to fade away quietly, so I think he'll run TOO, splitting the Republicunts, and thus even Sleepy Joe might have a fair chance of beating both of them. I hate the idea of Biden crawling on as Pres, but right now I don't see many I would willingly vote for to replace him. Certainly ANYONE gets my vote over the 2 likely Repugnits, I'd vote for a dead dog over either one.

R464 I see my ultra jealous stalker is here at R465. Hey 465, suck my big dick, bitch.

R464 The hearings are having an effect on public opinion. Even if someone doesn’t watch it they see the big stuff replayed elsewhere. When I said the majority of House Republicans asked for pardons, we saw that was right on the money yesterday.

Colbert

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R478 perhaps you could send out one of your famous “red alert” texts? Lol

[quote]so I think he'll run TOO, splitting the Republicunts, and thus even Sleepy Joe might have a fair chance of beating both of them.

Could we just not use fucking Trump's nickname for Biden?

R481 WTF are you talking about?

r481 is a Newbie Troll who does not know what authentication is.

They believe that every Greg is Greg, every Cheryl is Cheryl and all FCIs are FCIs.

While all red FCIs are FCI he is some special idiot.

Can't wait till he runs into Red M....

The same people who voted tostall the Electoral count on 1/6 are the same people crawling into the vaginas of pregnant women.

Send them to jail, Garland, and let us replace them.

they are doing a great job. When the hearings return, roe versus wade will not be front page news.

Maybe Scott Perry can disrupt the next hearing with a long-range weather machine connected to the Interweb. He's innocent, he tells ya!

R486, I betcha it will. The Supreme Court has fired the equivalent of a nuke to the news cycle, blowing the January 6 Commission out of it. It will be tough to recover it.

“It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit.”

r488. If Ukraine can be put on the back burner, all it takes is another batch of hearings for the Biden Admin to connect 1/6 to the Supreme Court.

Game, set, match, Democrats.

Bye Bye Ginni's husband.

God, that would be so nice, R490. Not holding out much hope, but...

I'm with R488. Tie Roe to 1/6 and there's a chance the mid-terms won't be a bloodbath.

NO, tie 1/6 to Ginny and the SCOTUS and Roe is an electrocharged issue.

Committee called back for tomorrow!

What's up?

Could it be that an Oath Keeper or Proud Boy decided to hand over audio of Trump expressly calling for violence?

Or, is that wishful daydreaming?

Hey Della,

Maybe something like this?

J6 and the rogue supreme courts toxic rulings are the same. A violation of the democratic rule of law.

My nephew works for a lobbying firm in DC they’re saying around the office it’s the film maker and must see footage. Take a late lunch tomorrow folks!

Ali Alexander

Link to thread about tomorrow.

I do love a good mystery.

For them to come back on recess for a “time sensitive” hearing is a big fucking deal.

Fingers crossed.

Exactly, r501/FCI. These few days right before the 4th...

I really hope this isn’t a big bust.

They were described as “scrambling” back to DC to get this done. I don’t see a big bust here. They have something big.

So, care to venture speculation FCI?

This, r504...

R506 The “time sensitive” part is what has me stumped.

I hope it’s Alex Holder with videotape of Dump disparaging his supporters. But that actually wouldn’t be earth shattering in terms of the investigation. We know what Dump thinks of them already anyway.

The key words are time sensitive.

They may be getting out in front of something so either evidence isn’t destroyed or talking points can’t be developed. I don’t know. Fingers crossed this blows trump and the GOP out of the water for good.

It’s strange r510, I agree. What could be time sensitive? Geez the only thing I can think of is someone on their deathbed? So They have to testify now? Maybe Melanie’s going to be deported and she wants to testify before she’s booted? (That’s a long shot.)

My friend texted back and said: “Speculation on my part: it could be related to the documentary. They must have juicy material and felt Roe is going to thwart their momentum so they decided to hold this meeting.”

I've always believed there's no way they managed to plan a coup without fucking up somewhere. They fucked up everywhere how could something this big be any different?

Someone has panning on fleeing the country would certainly be interesting.

Perhaps someone about to arrested who wants to come clean first?

R515 Good point.

It may be Mo Brooks. He may have something so damaging they don’t want to wait until July.

[quote] I've always believed there's no way they managed to plan a coup without fucking up somewhere. They fucked up everywhere how could something this big be any different?

Very good point, R514.

My variation has been the thought that almost everything we have learned to this point indicates that the coup should have worked. Blessed are we that it didn't, but I really haven't heard any explanation beyond Mike Pence being the weak link to indicate why they weren't able to take the Capital, take hostages, detonate bombs and delay certification.

In other news,Michael Stenger has died.

A verified account on Twitter speculated it is former Justice Kennedy. I lost the account or I would link it. The account was Brooklyn Dad Defiant.

Could "time sensitive" refer to the Tuesday primaries? Mail-in ballots being compromised?

Did Discovery+ move up the date of the documentary airing? That would make a hearing discussing it time sensitive.

…and the rumors keep flying. A rumor in Twitter says Stenger was shot. Stenger btw was the Sergeant at Arms for the Senate the day of Jan. 6. He resigned Jan. 7. This is just a rumor btw!

Ok I’m going to stop reading Twitter. I don’t know who can be trusted.

Wtf R519

I read somewhere earlier today that the paper coup legal Keystone Kops had known that they had two SCOTUS judges in their pocket, ready to vote for in favor of overturning the legitimate votes. Is it related to that?

I don’t mind the speculation. This is fun. Wouldn’t it be nice if this brought down a few conservative SC justices?

I just love that this has no doubt had Trump raging at everyone in his circle all day. No sleep for Donny tonight.

Remember all the way back to last week when Ron Johnson denied having any knowledge of the fake elector package his office wanted to get to Pence?

By Thursday, Johnson said that the fake elector slates had come from the office of Pennsylvania Rep. Mike Kelly. And, Johnson also acknowledged – in an interview with a local radio station – that he had coordinated, via text message, with his chief of staff and Dane Count attorney Jim Troupis to make sure Pence got the Wisconsin fake elector slate.

But, wait, there’s more. Kelly’s office told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel that the congressman “has not spoken to Sen. Johnson for the better part of a decade, and he has no knowledge of the claims Mr. Johnson is making related to the 2020 election.”

R528, denying that you’ve “spoken” with someone is not a denial that you’ve communicated in other ways, and particularly not a denial of staff communication. These guys are so stingy with the truth.

Every hearing has been a blockbuster. the committee is so smart to refocus on J6 and ignore the antics from the trolls in the Supreme Court. I am leaving work early tomorrow to watch this.

Michael Stenger, the Senate sergeant-at-arms who oversaw security in the upper chamber during the Capitol riot, died Monday morning, according to multiple reports.

The cause of his death was not immediately clear. Stenger held the post from 2018 to 2021 and stepped down the day after the Jan. 6 attack.

Blockbuster for me would be a vid on Eastman’s phone of a Lindsey-Belle DP, black tatted BBC used to blackmail him by tRUMP. Or Ted Cancun in a loaded diaper and ball gag being whipped by MTG.

I’d take off work for that.

The Washington Examiner is an American conservative news website and weekly magazine based in Washington, D.C. It is owned by MediaDC, a subsidiary of Clarity Media Group, which is owned by Philip Anschutz.

From 2005 to mid-2013, the Examiner published a daily tabloid-sized newspaper, distributed throughout the Washington, D.C., metro area. The newspaper focused on local news and political commentary. The local newspaper ceased publication on June 14, 2013, whereupon its content began to focus almost exclusively on national politics, from a conservative point of view, switching its print edition from a daily newspaper to an expanded print weekly magazine format.

Would they get the same amount of information had Eastman gotten a new phone?

Isn’t Philip Anschutz the turd that owns Coachella Music Festival and Stagecoach Music Festival?

[quote] Cassidy HUTCHINSON will be the surprise witness at the Jan. 6 hearing tomorrow

[quote] Hutchinson was a senior aide to former WH Chief of Staff Mark Meadows

Mr Stenger’s death comes amid the House of Representatives’s attempt to investigate the riot at the US Capitol last year wherein supporters of former president Donald Trump raided the complex in an attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election.

Mr Stenger assumed the role in 2018 after he served as chief of staff to his predecessor Frank Larkin, Roll Call reported at the time. He previously served in the United States Marine Corps and for 35 years in the US Secret Service.

In the days and weeks following the attack, Mr Stenger received the brunt of the blame. Then-Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer pledged he would fire Mr Stenger if he was not out of office by the time Democrats assumed the majority on 20 January of last year.

Mitch McConnell, then Senate Majority Leader, “requested and received the resignation” of Mr Stenger the day after the riot.

Trump will die in jail.

If only.

Trump will die with a hamberder in his mouth, his hand up Vanky's wet, wet gash and Steve Bannon and Roger Stone battling it out who gets to be the last to suck his dick.

You can't destroy pure, unadulterated evil.

Trust me.

But there's no way I'm letting him have a corner office

Ms Cheney is setting up another litigation prosecution. This Chicago Law graduate is going to cut Trump's balls off. This is Trump's Nuremberg.

Stop posting the same thing in multiple threads, R541.

If there are redundant threads, I get to post a redundant post.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

LOCK HIM UP!! LOCK HIM UP!! LOCK HIM UP!!

Has there really been no cause of death released for Michael Stenger? I can't find anything. That's insane.

Apparently when Trump found out about Barr's interview stating that there was no evidence of voting fraud, he had a tantrum and threw his lunch at the wall. There was a ketchup stain on the wall and a broken plate on the floor.

He died of natural causes.

[quote]If there are redundant threads, I get to post a redundant post.

I suspect you and redundancy are well, well acquainted.

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Q. Do you believe in the peaceful transfer of power?

A. Flynn, "I plead the fifth".

Bump

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Here is a new thread

Bruh-mp

Threads get glitchy at this stage, please do go to the other thread about today where it’s easier for people to post.

I"m glad R541 did, R542. I did not realize that Cheney had a law degree and worked as an attorney, but the University of Chicago makes sense.

Part 4B link