The January 6th Hearings Part 3

Part 2:

Brilliant opener, OP. 👏. Thanks for starting the new thread.

Part 1:

The second thread isn't at anywhere near 600 replies, though. This is premature.

R2 Thank you. I will not sit idly by while another current events thread is allowed to max out replies without a designated follow-up.

Thank you for the new thread, I don't know why I couldn't find it in a search. The other one is incredibly slow, so I may just park my caboose over here.

The photo released of Pence and his family in his ceremonial office, after rioters got to the Capitol but before the Pences were moved to the loading dock, shows his brother the Representative looking suspiciously calm. Pence looks like he's so tense he could crack walnuts with his ass.

Not on MY sofa he can't!

Mother is closing the curtains because she knew they were coming for Mike Pence

OP....

LOVED THE OPENING!!!!

I burst out laughing when I clicked over to this thread!!!

Good job and thanks for the morning laugh!!!

R6 What a bizarre picture. Mannerist, almost.

Is that his daughter on the couch? She looks like Erin Moriarty, and a weirdly calm Erin Moriarty at that. Everybody in that photo looks pretty chill except Mike, whose life is apparently flashing before his eyes.

RUDY GIULIANI WILL NOT BE BESMIRCHED WITH SCURRILOUS ACCUSATIONS AND LIES!!!!

Looking forward to seeing Liz Cheney's beautifully tailored suit (what color today?) and her gorgeous blonde locks.

OP, I ADORE you!

Carrie Nation is one of my all-time favorite historical figures.

OP is again the troll who started part 2. Be aware that at least half of what they say is lies and they are actually mocking the hearings. Utilize ignoredar and you’ll see what a piece of shit they are. It’s DeFacto.

😮😮😮

R14 Give it a rest already. It's not me. Like 90% of Americans I don't give two shits about these hearings.

It would be ideal if after the 1/6 televised hearings that Garland name Sally Yates as Special Prosecutor.

Amazing! You must have scrambled to log out of one troll account and login to your official asshole account. And unlike Beetlejuice, I only had to say its name once.

If that’s not proof, I don’t know what is. Took only ten fucking minutes.

R18 You said the proof was using "ignoredar" but there is in fact no proof on my account that I'm saying the things you say I'm saying.

The "proof" is always on somebody else's account.

I don't even know why I bother anymore, but it's annoying to constantly read lies about myself. I suppose I should just ignore the trolls.

Well, what time does the show start?

The OP posts lots of anti-gay and anti-Biden stuff. He also posts nonsensical stuff in these threads.

You people are really falling for it.

1 pm today

Can’t fall for it if we have the asshole on ignore, r21

Then why not make a new, non-TROLL OP thread, R23?

[quote]I suppose I should just ignore the trolls.

In this Datalounge, the best of all possible worlds, it is remarkably easy to ignore yourself!

Jesus Christ. You dumbfucks wouldn't know entertainment if it bitch slapped you across the face on live television.

I'm following the hearings and finding the humor in the situation . Say your piece if you have something to say. I am not Defacto.

R13 Can we make Hatchet Granny a DL fave? She's so weird and wonderful.

Today's hearing starts at 1 p.m. Eastern Time and will be all about Pence.

Someone else start a part 3 thread. This one is already a shitfest.

So, the Committee has "invited" Miss Ginni to come to the table and testify...

You see, this is the problem... JUST SUPEONA AND ARREST THE BITCH!

On MSNBC, they said that from the beginning Cheney had been fighting the idea of questioning Ginni Thomas. She’s only an ally when she wants to be.

NBC will be doing live updates again. Steve Bannon's contempt of Congress charge was just upheld by a judge, he's facing a year in prison and a $1,000 fine.

R31 Did she give a reason?

[quote] Then why not make a new, non-TROLL OP thread, [R23]?

Why should I bother? I can still see the non-troll posts on here.

Two new developments:

Committee will ask Ginni Thomas to speak with them.

Trump demands equal time!

What a circus!

I'm sure it will all end with Trump humbly apologizing profusely for his actions and being led tearfully away in handcuffs. The nation will heal, and the Supreme Court will vote to keep abortion safe and legal. Republicans will act according to their Christian beliefs, and help the poor, minorities, immigrants and all those suffering. Putin will realize the error of his ways and withdraw from Ukraine and rebuild the country. De-Facto will have a "spiritual awakening" and commit hari kari with a lovely antique Japanese sword. The Data Lounge will become a bastion of virtue, beloved by the not wonky eyed Andy Cohen, and Lena Dunham will ceremoniously change her name to "Lens", to officiate the circle of healing and forgiveness.

Or everything will end in shit.

What do you think, R36?

The criminals will get away with their crimes. Even though it's all on tape. No one cares about anything.

[quote]Mother is closing the curtains because she knew they were coming for Mike Pence

Not that this will actually happen, but I wish Mother would go rogue and testify about their fear, how Trump - for whom was a shameless toady - set a mob on her family to publicly lynch them and what shit what down behind the scenes. And why not - his career is over - the MAGAs & the dems hate him. May as well go nuclear on the people that screwed Mikey over

So he did, R35. Jesus Christ.

Make America Gross Again

LOL! "We're fortunate for Mr. Pence's courage..."

Did Trump stroke out???

I'd suck his dick! R41

He looks like Mickey Rooney on a very, very, very bad day.

[quote]So he did, [R35]. Jesus Christ.

LOL like nobody until now has heard what he has to say thanks to the networks breathlessly reporting it.

Very powerfully disturbing video of insurrectionists. Trump may never be charged. Trump may become dictator for life in 2024, but there is a clear record of what happened last year. History will not ignore their dishonor.

I don't like how they say; "Trump was going to allow the crowd to hang his own Vice President..." I think it would go over better if they just said they were trying to kill the Vice President of the United States.

Why is Luttig speaking so slow? I think he’s reading!

Jesus God old man, get on with it. Is this old fool brain damaged? He acted just before he started talking like he was scared to death. s

WRAP IT UP MORON!!

Yes, I assume he wanted to be very precise but duuude…

Is he deliberately sand bagging??

He'll probably get death threats no matter what he says. That's the new "normal".

So, to all you digital-corrupted kids.... he's speaking for history. He wants to be deliberate and precise. Again, the purpose of this hearing is to get political advantage, win the 24 hr news cycle, or get likes and re-tweets. This is for history.

He looks like he’s reading. Maybe he needs notes to keep precise. But cmon! It’s like he’s lil kid trying to read!

^^ This is NOT for the 24 hr news cycle.

He looks like he HATES being on camera.

The guy sitting behind the judge has had it with him.

I hope the LEAST that happens from this is that Dump can never again run for any public office. Most of all I’d like him to keel over watching this parade of truths. He HATES the truth. He was demanding the murder of Pence.

They should have found a judge who was a better speaker. This is television.

Yes r55. But people are getting edgy with him. Who is the skeleton lady next to the judge

This is fucking painful!!!

"Old Uncle Joe, he's a-moving kind of slow…"

Somebody started another thread and people are still posting on Part 2 so now there are 3 threads on this hearing!

He. Pauses. Between. words.

I hope this old geezer never has to call 9-1-1.

I think he has an arterial flow problem.

I get the sense that, like Joe Biden, he's a stutterer, and that he's working very hard to keep that speech impediment under wraps.

I bet he types one word per minute.

OMG this guy is painful.

Good point, R67.

Per someone on Twitter, he has a speech impediment brought on by some sort of trauma.

Wow, he's talking faster now...did someone take him off slomo?

I think someone may have told him, when the camera wasn't on him, to speed the fuck up because you look like a goddamn fool.

R71 OK, but then why choose him to be the witness? He can’t be the only expert they could find.

Greg Jacob looks a little like Peter Coyote..

He reminds me of Mueller.

I love US history and am really enjoying this.

^ the judge I mean

The judge took so long to answer the questions I forgot what was asked.

Oooh, there's hot daddy lawyer Eric Herschmann again! I wish they'd haul his fine ass into the hearings and let us see him in real time.

And to think that guy was a Senior VP and General Counsel at Boeing from 2006 - 2019.

Which guy, r81?

Is that the late John McLaughlin seated behind Mr. Jacobs?

"Eliner"

"Buhy buhy."

[quote]] OK, but then why choose him to be the witness? He can’t be the only expert they could find.

He was actually participant in the events because he advised Pence at the time.

From CNN: Luttig was involved in advising the Pence team against claims from Trump allies like attorney John Eastman, who wrote a memo saying Pence had the power to single-handedly block the certification of the election for Joe Biden.

Greg Jacob just referred to Democrat lawyers. It’s so fucking entrenched in these fuckers to try to own libs.

Why do they only show us the same one pathetic minute with Jared when he testified for 8 hours?

My interest at that time was trying to get pardons done.

Pardons for what?

Not R81 but the who says fuck a lot without completely saying it

[quote] Which guy, [R81]?

Luttig.

R87, there were a lot of pardons for cash, usually of ordinary criminals who had connections.

Sorry, I was referring to R80 about Herschmann, ignore me.

Doubt we'll see much of Judge Luttig's boring testimony in MSNBC highlights tonight.

Jesus fucking Christ, I'm about to put a bullet through my TV screen.

Eastman was contacted by the spouse of a sitting Supreme Court Justice to invalidate the election results.

Luttig is asked a question and then fumbles with the microphone to answer. He.really.............does...................not.....

To.......... Answer.......

Luttig is doing a little better now that he isn’t reading.

LOL!

He's speeding up a little now..

Luttig needs a bathroom break. We all do!

Someone behind him wound up the key...

R80, I knew I'd find another person who wants more views of that hot Daddy lawyer to be on tv live and in person.

He's looks like he is fun in bed

Someone needs to donkey punch that old Texas fool in the back of the head and drag his old ass out of there.

"Constitutional mischief"

R4, OP is plainly one of those DLers who must be in control at all times... my thread! My thread! Use my thread! Because my life's that empty.

He needs to do a bump. Or something.

How many times are we gonna see that pardon bit? Seems to me there's a fine line between shocking content and overdoing it.

r100, I see myself sitting on Hot Daddy Lawyer Herschmann's hot hard cock while I massage his fine tits as he cums into me.

r100, I see myself sitting on Hot Daddy Lawyer Herschmann's hot hard cock while I massage his fine tits as he cums into me.

Judge looks a lot like my dog when I'm giving him shit.

Does Marc Short smell cookies?

[quote]"Constitutional mischief"

We have the pull quote!

That, and

[quote]"I'd lay my body down"

It’s worth noting that one of the pardons Jared was so concerned with getting was for his father the convicted felon and all around scumbag Charles Kushner.

"Constitutional mischief." Nice.

(Great title for Professor Lawrence Tribe's next book, too.)

Was Melanea issued a pardon for destroying the Rose Garden?

Jason Miller's Fox clip vs. his testimony makes him look like an even bigger asshole... which I thought was maximized and long settled.

Mischief sounds juvenile...like mischief night. I'll go with criminal. Call it what it is..

Too much of the same tape for my taste.

They need to slide in a musical number or something. I want to be entertained!

We're into C List witnesses and counsel today.

Today would surely be energized with some new Ivanka testimony.

R36 I think that's the post of the year!!!!!

I'm surprised contempt of Congress carries so little punishment. $1,000 is nothing, and somehow I doubt the full year in prison is ever served.

That would have been better with the link, oops.

Congress legislates the laws, so they take care of themselves first....leniancy (sp) for their criminal behaviors. Just a slap on the wrist...no biggie.

You probably get out as soon as you come to your senses and let it be known you're all ready to comply with the subpeeny.

God how I hate people who start sentences off with "so".

I'll alert the media, R125.

So, I really hate people that begin sentences with "God".

I don't know, maybe it's just me... but I think this day's hearing is very damning... the other testimony was BIG lies (so big that MAGA always, always weasels in a way to believe them). But this is very pointed, single issue... did the VP have the constitutional authority to do what Trump ordered/wanted him to do. No, he did not. Trump's lawyers knew he did not. Trump knew it. Trump just lied... and later threaten his VP on Jan 6.

I think sometimes simple, singular stories are more effective.

10 minute potty or food break...maybe coffee, to keep awake.

The calculated way Trump plotted to violate the Constitution actually is chilling.

I hope they conclude today with footage of the barricade made by those under attack in the Capitol and Mike Pence and Co. barely escaping the mob by mere minutes.

[quote]The calculated way Trump plotted to violate the Constitution actually is chilling.

And he was warned over and over again that his plan could lead to violence.

R130 Agreed, this is a big takeaway. Was Trump just nuts and confused? No, he was criminal-minded. He was very calculating. And his calculation absolutely included the threat of violence.

R128 Important testimony but not presented in an a very impressive way. Guess they couldn’t help that. Since this hearing wasn’t in prime time, the media will cull the important clips and the analysts will explain them. I think they should have shown more of the actual threat to the VP at the Capitol.

Imagine how many pounds of feces Jimpanzee Jordon would have flung by now!

People who supported this lost their livelihoods and professional reputation

NPR just uttered the S word…Sedition.

Ginni Thomas says she’ll gladly sit for questions.

Still no Kinzy (sad face).

R125, agreed. Second, however, to "I mean..."

Jake Tapper: "Chilling new details" to come about the threat to Pence's safety.

R16, speak for yourself, you silly cunt. A LOT of people care about these hearings. Clearly you're too stupid to care.

[quote]Ginni Thomas says she’ll gladly sit for questions.

OMG - I'd take a vacation day to watch that self-righteous cow testify. That would be a shitshow for the ages

[quote]Jake Tapper: "Chilling new details" to come about the threat to Pence's safety.

Fetch your shawls, y'all.

("...a little levity don't hurt")

No need to sit, just get and take that creep you married with you.

What’s the "p" word?

Trump called Pence the thing that women let you grab when you're famous.

Pussy! It’s Pussy!

"Poontang?"

The footage of Trump is infuriating. What a piece of shit.

Wimp!

Pussy!

I wish they would say terrorists...instead of rioters.

That is exactly what they are.

The Shaman!

Trumps followers are such simpletons. For fuck's sake, they don't have two brain cells to rub between them.

"Pence betrayed us". The arrogance of these creeps. Arrogance and willful stupidity is a toxic combination.

R152, they're not brown people - that's the only reason they're not called what they are. I've seen brown people called terrorists just for words, not actions.

They are all thugs...directed by the thug in chief. Terrorists. So, whites can't be terrorists?

It really is amazing how ALL of the rioters are white. Was there even one black or Asian person there?

And what's really, really pathetic about these flying monkey above all else: Trump thinks they're trash and is embarrassed these are the ugly, low life people who support him. Right this fucking second if he were invited to a ***LIBERAL, ELITE, HOLLYWOOD*** party, it wouldn't take him even a second to think about it. He'd be there before the caterers even finished setting up.

Not really asking...just a rethorical question...^^

The vocal fry of some of these people is annoying as fuck.

Oops..R158, not R159

Ginny Thomas/Liz Cheney...

R162 All women, right? Why only women do vocal fry?

I think today is very, very clear. You who want more entertainment... wrong, I think. This is not for real time TV... it's full of facts. Simple, indisputable facts.

I remember when Hillary conceded in 16 after winning the popular vote and losing the electoral vote. She fought back tears as she confirmed her belief in the rule of law and her supporters openly wept. Magats mocked this moment for years, "cry more libs". Clinton supporters did not riot or declare fraud but there were massive demonstrations for years against maga.

trump really wanted to be in that club...real elitists and liberal celebrities. They knew him and wanted nothing to do with him. He was a Democrat in NYC.

Thank goodness I did that reconnaissance tour the day before. They knew EXACTLY where to go.

Of course, his relentless pettiness and revenge goes after the ones who he feels, insulted or slighted him. That fuels him.

40 feet between the terrorist forces and Pence.

[quote]People who supported this lost their livelihoods and professional reputation.

At least we have that as a silver lining.

What were they planning on doing to Pence?

Hang him...execute Pence.

Can you imagine if they did publicly hang pence?

Another (perhaps small) issue: Trump and the circle left who wanted to override the election... just seemed so very desperate. Americans usually don't make heroes of desperate, losing men.

Eastman knew everything he said was bullshit.

Pelosi, Schiff, AOC, Schumer were in the crosshairs, too.

R174, now I honestly think we can.

Were any of them caught with nooses or rope? I can't watch live so I'm following the live tweets.

[quote]It really is amazing how ALL of the rioters are white. Was there even one black or Asian person there?

I think the Proud Boys head honcho isn't white, funny enough.

I don't like Pence except for this one thing. TG he didn't side with Trump.

There was a noose installed outside of the capitol, widely circulated photos confirm this

Oh Jesus, here come the Bible verses.

Don’t drag in religion ffs

In the real world, that noose would have been for Trump.

OMG Pence as a biblical hero!

A very, very small number of rioters would have harmed Pence. But that small number was absolutely capable of hurting him. It might have been healthier for the Republic if they actually did it - no denial. (Sorry Mike).

"Pulled out my bible to Daniel 6." This is highlight material. R183 You need to talk their language if you want them to hear.

The bible verses are to placate the braindead conservatives.

The typical GOP voter will be even less likely to support Pence for president after this hearing.

Forgot to mention this earlier, have Ivanka’s balls dropped? She normally speaks in a breathy whisper.

Herschmann is my kind of witness.

LOL the 5th

So they cry about 'having equal time" and then --

16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

[quote]They aren't Christians

Oh, who the fuck cares?

Jamie Raskin, a member of the Jan. 6 Committee, this morning on CNN: "New evidence is breaking every single day now. Suddenly a lot of people want to tell the truth."

Damn! Lizzy can sure get her digs in!

Is this the noose in question?

It was at quite a distance from the Capitol and doesn't look usable. It looks like a prop, people were posing for pictures with it.

Why the hell would you wear a mask on a zoom call? Ludicrous.

You can probably get a working link from Tucker Carlson's website, R198.

For what it's worth, Judge Luttig is being "heard" (or at least acknowledged) in Right Wing Twitter.

Wouldn't it be weird if these hearings actually changed some people's minds? Not holding my breath, but....

Judge Luittig appears as if he is about to cry. For me, I'm seeing his love for this country and for the law. This is all overwhelming for him

Drowning in prayers!

R200 Here's a direct link to the photo.

Carefully chosen words can have more impact.

Random impression: the Watergate hearings seemed to be a shared sadness. I'm getting that vibe from Judge Luttig.

Watergate was chicken feed compared to this shit.

R204 That particular set up is the only noose photo from the Capitol I've been able to find.

[quote]Here's a direct link to the photo.

Whoosh!

I know I’m still bitter but I spent 3 terms in jail/prison for stuff that didn’t hurt anyone. So WHY isn’t tRUMP behind bars? Why does he get away with treason? He needs to be in prison. And that whole family too. Well, except Baron. Hasn’t he suffered enough?

Judge J: "Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present danger to American democracy".

Wow

R208 You are high, right? No one really wanted to "hang" Pence. But they might have shot him, beaten him, kidnapped him etc. The showplace noose was symbolic. But the symbolism pointed to a real intent to harm.

R209 I've just been told in a serious tone that members of the public were planning to hang the Vice President on that dumb little Halloween decoration in R204. Is that the noose you all are talking about?

[quote][R208] You are high, right

He's reciting Fox News propaganda.

They were joyful crowd.

Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?

R214 In which case he IS high.

Rep. Eric Swalwell weighs in:

The noose was just decorative and the terrorists were just tourists

Of course, it was just a prop noose, sloppily made by idiots, but I have no doubt those raving terrorist lunatics would have gleefully marched Pence, Pelosi and several others up to it just for the photo ops.

Does that make it any less scary and awful? What a day of infamy for our sad country.

On behalf of the Nation, Judge Luttig publicly spat in donald trumps fat treacherous face.

Thank you, sir.

Twitter says Judge Luttig recently suffered a stroke

The US is lucky Pence was the V.P. Another less responsible Trump asskisser could have cost us our democracy.

"A very, very small number of rioters would have harmed Pence. But that small number was absolutely capable of hurting him."

No, R187. A Proud Boys informant told the FBI if they had gotten their hands on them, they would have killed him. Not hurt him. The informant also said they woud have killed Pelosi.

There is good reason it is said do not negotiate with terrorists. They don't stop..they can't be appeased.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . .

From Twitter just now:

BREAKING: DOJ sent a letter to the Jan 6 committee requesting transcripts of all depositions they conducted - calling them “not just potentially relevant to our overall criminal investigations, but are likely relevant to specific prosecutions that have already commenced.”

R226 You are so bored... you need to go on DL and post how bored you are. Right.

Yes the attempted overthrow of our democratic government is soooo boring. Who can be bothered.

Eastman wanted a pardon!

3:28 PM · Jun 16, 2022 from Washington, DC·Twitter for iPad

You got that right, R224; plus never underestimate the power of pack mentality. DNA-match would have been necessary to identify whomever of their targeted victims that mob had encountered.

[quote]The US is lucky Pence was the V.P. Another less responsible Trump asskisser could have cost us our democracy.

Yes, just imagine if Trump had chosen Cruz or Rubio as his VP.

Eastman, who was on the Maga frontline asked for a pardon and was denied. No. Loyalty. No. Respect.

Jan. 6 Committee: "Trump lawyer John Eastman pled the Fifth a hundred times."

Donald Trump: “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

I have to say; all of this testimony has been compelling, but the testimony from the judge (however halting) made me want to hide under my bed for the foreseeable future

I thought the Judge looked like Prince Andrew.

Eastman knew what he was advising was illegal. He called Guilliani and asked to be put on the pardon list.

NYT: The DOJ is criminally investigating Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, and other Trump lawyers for the alternate elector scheme.

The hearings are not leading the local evening newscasts. The media does not give s damn about democracy.

Local news is a joke, anyway. National news covers it. I wouldn't swear, however, that no local news is not leading with it.

Only old people & shut ins watch local news

The production values and professionalism of local news has gone down the shitter over the last decade or so. Unless there's some important local stuff being covered, I tune out.

I think it's important not to impugn all old people they only watch local news.

Youre glib r241

History is watching. That’s the most important thing here.

I didn't mean to be glib - it's better than watching Fox News! I just meant that the type of people who watch local news want to hear about Sheriff Peabody's efforts to clean up downtown and the new frozen yogurt place in the mall.

Sometimes the local news is what speaks to where they live. Nevertheless, they're still getting coverage of the hearings on the local news.

Chris Wallace: Jan. 6 Committee: Hearings Aren’t ‘Changing Minds’

Well, I think that they’ve done a very effective job so far, and they’ve only had two hearings. But the opening sequence, in which they basically went through the whole thing, and then specifically when they focused on what, you know, what has been called The Big Lie, the argument that in fact, Donald Trump knew that he’d lost the election and continued to pursue this argument that it was a stolen election and a rigged election. I think they’ve done a good job of that.

But, you know, I was skeptical from the start, and said so before the first hearing, John, about what impact that would have. And all you have to do is look at the results of the primaries on Tuesday, where you have Tom Rice, one of the very few, I think it was ten Republicans who voted to impeach Donald Trump over the January 6 riot. He’s a five-time, five-term congressman from South Carolina. And not only was he beaten in the Republican primary, but the election-denying challenger Russell Fry got 50 plus percent of the vote. And this five-term congressman Tom Rice got 25%, for an incumbent that’s pretty bad. You also had election deniers winning, including for secretary of state and the Republican nominee in Nevada, a swing state.

So, you know, are they doing an effective job in making their case? Yes. Is it going to change people’s minds? I think that’s very much to be determined, and the early indications are not so much.

R428, of course, it's not going to change the minds of tie-hard Trump cultists. Nothing will. As for the ratings slip, they had the first hearing in prime time; the second was on a weekday at 10 am; today's hearing was in the middle of the day. These hearings will, nevertheless, reach those who can be reached, as well as those who have turned, and always were, against Trump. Seven million voters won the election for Biden. These hearings are going to increase those numbers when it comes to making sure the fascist can't be let in again. We better hope, anyway.

Sorry, that was for R248.

*Die-hard

How could Trump pardon Eastman without admitting that he was also a criminal since they were acting together? What was Eastman thinking?

[quote]Only old people & shut ins watch local news

I'm an old shut in who wouldn't watch local news if you paid me.

[quote]R208: That particular set up is the only noose photo from the Capitol I've been able to find.

There were others, some made of cord (see Snopes article below).

But it's doubtful, had the insurrectionists actually managed to lay hands on Pence, that they would have had the patience to drag him outside the building. They came equipped with zip ties, bludgeons, knives, chemical spray, and flagpoles with sharpened spear tips. Any of these would have dispatched him quickly, where they captured him. If they truly decided to hang him, they would more likely have used found items on hand, i.e. electrical cords, curtain ropes, flag braid, etc., to put around his neck, and heave him over the balcony rail in the congressional chambers. Don't kid yourself that harm could not or would not be done.

I hate the stench of trolls at cocktail hour.

NBC Washington just covered it very well.

[quote]R249: of course, it's not going to change the minds of tie-hard Trump cultists. Nothing will.

Give it some time. Let it steep for awhile. Parts of it will gradually penetrate the right-wing media bubble. It will become ubiquitous; they cannot avoid it forever. And they will start to lose the in-group approval that keeps so many of them extreme.

DOJ Sends Letter To Jan. 6 Committee, Calls Request For Interview Transcripts 'Critical'

[quote]Yes, just imagine if Trump had chosen Cruz or Rubio as his VP.

Wasn't Trump initially going to pick Chris Christie to be his VP? If so, I wonder if Christie would have had the guts to reject Trump's demands the way Pence did?

You're going to need a bigger gallows, r259.

[quote]...I wonder if Christie would have had the guts to reject Trump's demands the way Pence did?

If nothing else, R259, Fat Fatty's got a gut - and then some.

I love hot daddy Herschmann: "Get a fucking good defense lawyer."

So the DOJ let the committee do all the heavy lifting and wants them to just hand everything over to them on a silver platter on request?

I'm uncomfortable with making Pence a hero. I watched him lick Trump's rusty ass for four years. And before that he was a homphobic Governor of Indiana.

Please don't sanitize him. He simply consulted his friends (including Kellyanne Cuntway) and 51 > 49 decided it would be detrimental to his political future to side with Trump. That's all.

Make him a hero with a wink and a nod. We need this narrative now. Pence's only hope is a cabinet appointment in a future Republican White House...if there ever is one before he croaks. He's far from a hero but he was kind of a tough motherfucker on 1/6. He was put in a shitty position and did what was right for the country.

Like it or not, Pence was the one to stand between chaos and the orderly transition of power, and maybe worse. One can't whitewash that.

Enough with these hearings. I'm rooting for an oil wrestling match between Eric Herschmann and Michael Avenatti.

But seriously, I think between these hearings, the defeat of Roe and Don't Say Gay, millions of young people who may be first time voters will be inspired to make a difference in 2024. And hopefully, in 11/2022.

That and Trump didn't give him much to do except kiss his ass. Pence knew this was the only power he had as VP and probably studied every last word of that assignment of certifying the electoral college votes.

Lots of wishful thinking, R267. Young voters can't be bothered to put down their phones and go to vote. They will just complain om Tiktok and Twitter.

Like the attitude about old people and local news, I think it's condescending to assume the newest generation is apathetic, or is anymore apathetic than anyone from generations before them. Seems to me they're fairly committed.

*is any more apathetic

And before there's any more lust going toward Herschmann, please recall he was one of the big asshole Trump lawyers who helped get him off (no pun intended, yuck) during his impeachment trial (one of two).

R272, they know, believe me. This is just more of that troll bullshit of lusting after criminals and far-righters.

R224 One of the nutjobs had the American flag on a spear and I don't doubt he would have used it.

I don't care whether what the ratings for the hearings were. This is not Monday Night Football or NBC's Tuesday night lineup. This is about the rule of law, free and fair elections, and the threat to the republic.

Who's going to watch this? An informed citizenry. Unfortunately the level of ignorance, apathy, and gullibility in the US is so high that the percentage of informed citizens pales in comparison.

Still, we must stay informed for the sake of democracy. J. Michael Luttig and Greg Jacob were incredible witnesses to the chicanery and criminality of the cabal around that imbecile and the imbecile himself. I watched it today, because I'm not teaching at the present. I listened via the NYT's site, while I did other work. I gained respect for Pence. Before January 6, I thought he was creepy and sinister for his anti-gay views and getting into bed with that imbecile.

I respect all members of this committee for holding those responsible for that armed, dangerous, and violent insurrection accountable. That is the rule of law in action.

Until one of these mag(ats) are executed for treason against this nation this is all for nothing. We, (as a nation), are simply repeating the same mistake that we made the first time when we did not execute many of the Confederates after the Civil War. Once the South knew that the North had no bite it aggressively went on with business as usual. Do any of you believe for a second that Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz, and many others are moved by this? They couldn't be bothered.

Where are "the Squads", AOC's, the Elizabeth Warrens, etc calling for the dismantling of FOX? The banning of Rupert Murdoch from media ownership. etc? At the very least, the White House should rescind the FOX news credentials and passes because it is NOT news or journalism.

Executions, dismantling Fox...you're doomed to disappointment, R276.

hear,hear

I think the Dems are being brilliantly strategic in repeatedly giving Pence credit for saving the country. They are making a case that this is NOT a political witch hunt. That’s why they’re recruiting so many respected Republicans —see today’s witnesses.

Up to a few days before Jan 6, Pence was dithering on whether to go along with Trump. It was only his attorneys—and Dan Quayle— who convinced him not to.

He’s a weak scumbag, but for now he’s a useful weak scumbag

Mike Pence is a true heroe.

40 Feet

‘Don, You’re Wrong!’: CNN Analyst Clashes With Don Lemon on Potential Trump Conspiracy Charge

“There’s two questions here,” Mudd continued. “There’s a question of whether I think the president did the right thing. No. There’s a question of what I think the Department of Justice will do.”

Mudd said it would be a colossal mistake for Attorney General Merrick Garland to ever try Trump for conspiracy, which he said is impossible to prove.

“If you don’t win that case at the back end, you’re perceived to be someone who is pursuing Donald Trump because you have partisan, political interest,” he said.

Lemon said the committee’s witnesses had all testified Trump’s inner circle had all informed him he had lost.

“The president’s going to say my advisers told me I won,” Mudd said. “I thought I won, that wasn’t a conspiracy.”

After some back and forth about whether Trump knew the results of the race were accurate or not, Mudd and Lemon traded barbs.

MUDD: Don’t you think that the defense can find witness who is said the president thought he won. Come on, don. The defense will find people who said the president believed he was right. How can this be a conspiracy if the president said he was trying to defend democracy?

LEMON: You said the president’s advisers told him that he won. Not one of the advisors told him he won.

MUDD: I don’t buy it. I am going to tell you, defense attorneys will find people who say the president thought he won.

Trump can say anything he wants bot the question is whether a preponderance of the evidence would convince a judge or jury.

If I think a bank or store ripped me off I don't get to hold them up and steal money because I think I was cheated. If I think I should've won the Oscar for my community theatre play I can't just send a mob to take it away from Will Smith so I can have it.

if they're going to have these hearings during the morning or afternoon, the big 3 non-cable networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) should all air 1 hour recaps/analysis of the most important moments each night at 8 PM. Tonight was the last game of the NBA championship which started at 9. There's no reason why from 8 to 9 ABC couldn't have had a recap to today's monster hearing

local news channels are mentioning it a little bit but it's not enough

The Nixon hearings got so much more attention yet this was so much worse criminal behavior

[quote]The Nixon hearings got so much more attention yet this was so much worse criminal behavior.

Those were much more innocent times, when the thought of any criminal behavior coming from the White House was genuinely shocking.

After four years of a crime family living in the White House, we have people calling hearings into treason and sedition "a partisan witch hunt" and "beating a dead horse."

I guarantee you the last hearing will have visuals/sound of Trump - that's what they're saving for the end. Including saying they should hang Pence.

I don't believe anyone had a serious intention of hanging Pence, nor do they appear to have had any means of doing so.

I wish people would think a little before making insane claims just because it is emotionally satisfying. Please stick to reality.

The next hearing isn't until Tuesday. We have all weekend to work ourselves into a froth over Pence- America's greatest hero.

[quote]I don't care whether what the ratings for the hearings were. This is not Monday Night Football or NBC's Tuesday night lineup. This is about the rule of law, free and fair elections, and the threat to the republic.

Unfortunately, I am old enough to (vaguely) remember the Watergate hearings and people didn't necessarily want to watch that either, but there was nothing else on & no Netflix to escape to. And it's during the day when most people are at work. So I don't think we should assume people don't care or aren't engaged. They just don't want to commit the time.

Aside from all the discussions about laying the groundwork for prosecutions, recording it for history, etc, it's a game of inches. You'll never convince the faithful & their various motivations, but I do think they'll convince enough to hopefully turn the tide against Trump & the repigs

I think that mob would’ve killed/kidnapped Pence.

I'm not just getting "big dick" energy off of Herschmann, I'm getting "I'm going to slap you in the face with my big dick" energy.

Ok r288, the the gibbering rioter with the US flag tied to a spear whooping about hanging Mike Pence was just there to peacefully persuade him. And the rioters climbing the stairwell inside the Capitol chanting “Naaaaancy, we’re coming for you, Naaaaancy” were what? A welcoming committee? Pence was surrounded by Secret Service agents who would’ve shot them if confronted. What did Pelosi have, Capitol Police?

[quote]I don't believe anyone had a serious intention of hanging Pence

"When they said 'Hang Mike Pence' they didn't mean hang Mike Pence."

Yeah R288, the reality is that 5 people died during the insurrection. Pence could've very easily been added to the death toll.

PEnce would have been beaten and stomped to death. Stop trolling. The noise was a visual, but the rioters/terrorists would have treated Pence to the same treatment that the police got. Pence wouldn’t have body armor. He’s have been beaten to death. So would have Pelosi. There was no delegation. Mob style beating. The first to go would be his eyes.

*THE Noose

Oh, R296 it totally right, with the whole thing ending in some sort of Game of Thrones style presentation of his severed, eyeless head for news cameras, probably mounted somewhere on the Capitol Building. Ditto with Nancy, though I think it would be even more brutal. The noose may have been for show, but the intention to kill was real

Priorities

The Select Committee to Investigate the January 6 Attack on the United States Capitol held its third hearing on Thursday afternoon. NBC News’ Lester Holt announced the network was ending its live broadcast of the hearing to air the U.S. Open golf tournament.

Tournament details Purse: $17,500,000

Yep. Switched over to PBS streaming.

MANY watch at their leisure in YouTube.

Michael Beschloss @BeschlossDC If Pence “never wavered,” then why did he call up Dan Quayle to ask whether there was any way he could go along with Trump’s demand to fix the 2020 election for Trump?

R293 I have a question for you:

A spear!? That's very dramatic and alarming.

When I Google this spear, as I am about to do, is it going to turn out to be a useless prop of some kind? Is this going to turn out to be a childish misinterpretation of what calling something a "spear" entails?

My hypothesis is that it will be, since that what happened with the unusable "noose" on a four foot high gallows that was situated a good eighth of a mile away from Pence.

I'll report back.

It's enough to say they could have beaten him- that's a sincere threat which is obvious.

Oh my fucking God you have got to be fucking KIDDING me. It's the Viking hat guy.

You know why he wasn't given a weapons charge? Because it's not a real weapon, it's a prop. Fuck outta here!

No R305 it was the guy Loudermilk gave a multi- hour tour of the buildings to on the 5th.

Also the Proud Boys have testified that they intended to kill Pence.

[quote] I don't believe anyone had a serious intention of hanging Pence, nor do they appear to have had any means of doing so. I wish people would think a little before making insane claims just because it is emotionally satisfying. Please stick to reality.

Oh, the irony of your second and third sentences.

[quote]I don't believe anyone had a serious intention of hanging Pence

Ah... the "boys just being boys" attitude and excuse... What more do you need? An informant admitted to the FBI that had his group gotten hold of Pence they would have killed him. Do you need the dead body before you believe them?

Just go whole hog and start screeching that the TERRORIST white supremacist VIKINGS were planning to impale Pence on the horn of an Aurochs!!!!!!!!

They were armed with two horns!

They even brought a shaman to perform their fascist ceremony!!! TREEEEAASSSOOOOONNNN! Treasonous Vikings shaman scum!

r309

Refusing to believe Pence would have been beaten to death is willful misunderstanding. Trolls

Nobody is talking about the Q Shaman, R288/R309. They're talking about a guy filmed by the fellow Loudermilk took on a tour of the interior of the Capitol offices, who had affixed a rainbow spike to the end of his flagpole, saying it was for "someone special" (either Pelosi or AOC).

The videos of the 1/6 rioters reveal what morons they were. Totally conned by Trump and the vast majority having no idea of why they were even there. Anyone who can be charged with a crime should be and then given a harsh sentence. These idiots need a little reality dropped on their heads.

R303, I believe it was a flagpole sharpened to a point, in effect, a spear.

Am I remembering wrong that at other protests, marchers were required to affix their signs and flags to cardboard paper tubes? But right, this was a rally, not a protest.

These people are viewing politics just like they view professional wrestling, it's EXACTLY the same: to them it's all just TELEVISION and their Leader is a television star. He grouses that he ACTUALLY won the election and they, even though they KNOW he's full of shit, shout Hell Yes, we believe you, and they go out and act accordingly. They KNOW (and certainly by this point) that there is NO credible evidence that there was anything wrong with the conduct of the Presidential election and yet they are publicly, loudly pretending that Trump actually won. It's all just "pretend it's real" stuff. A HUGE mob of uneducated morons who are going along with Shitler because it jibes with their racism and their fear. It's all make-believe.

Trump's actions in the past 1.5 years back up completely the Founders' fears about mob action and mob rule.

Don’t interact with R309. It’s OP/DeFacto who insists they’re totally not trying to troll.

Those yahoos definitely wanted to hurt Pence and would have tried if they had gotten chance, but it’s hard to believe that the Secret Service couldn’t have protected him, even if some of them had gotten hurt in the process. Pelosi, AOC & others had no such protection. Also, if Pence was attacked, they would have whisked him away whether he wanted to go or not, so the plot to stop his certification of the election would have succeeded.

It’s ridiculous to say that people who were chanting about hanging Mike Pence and dragging him out of the Capitol meant him no harm - no matter how they planned to do it or how realistic it was. That is not acceptable political free speech.

r288 is OP.

R320 I sure am.

I now have had my initial impression of the "Treason" threads confirmed- that it's a bunch of pathetic horseshit only retards would fall for. You've all managed to shit out 53 of them without me, congrats.

R314 It's a gray plastic piece about 3 inches long that's in the shape of a spear tip. He attached it to the edge of a flag pole somehow. I can't get a picture to link, I'll see if I can find one.

You can see the edge, it's definitely not sharp. It looks like it came from a dollar store Halloween costume- why would the shirtless young man dressed as a Viking have this on his person? The mind boggles. Surely he intended to assassinate the Vice President of the United States.

^^TROLL

^A mob of yahoos screaming about hanging the Vice President of the United States, who then violently forced their way into the building where he was located, and you are quibbling about whether they "really" had the wherewithal to commit the crime? Sorry my friend, it's a waste of time to take you seriously. These were serious, historically grave crimes being committed against the very government of the country, plain and simple.

[quote]Those yahoos definitely wanted to hurt Pence and would have tried if they had gotten chance, but it’s hard to believe that the Secret Service couldn’t have protected him

Pence seemed to believe not all the SS agents would've actually *protected* him rather than turn him over to the mob. I'm inclined to believe there maybe some truth to that.

At least 95% of the crowd had no idea why they were even there. I think about 5% of the crowd would have inflicted damange on Pence and any Dems they found. However who knows what a mob will do when they're all fired up. That's why Trump should have acted to defuse the situation.

r321/OP -It's been explained several times to you that that's not the spear being discussed. Are you just a retard?

Personally I'd like more information re how many FBI agent provocateurs were assigned to whipping up the crowd.

Cops were killed and brutally assaulted on J6 but you're saying there was no danger to Pence.

[quote]Personally I'd like more information re how many FBI agent provocateurs were assigned to whipping up the crowd.

"And Antifa and George Soros and members of the New World Order, too!'

R326 I was told they were going to hang him, but when I googled and it turned out none of them had rope to do it with I was told "they had a SPEAR!"

So, I googled the spear and it turns out there's no way you could stab someone with it and I'm again being told "they wanted to HANG him!" This is fucking stupid.

I'm getting suspicious that the seditious conspiracy charges you're all married and salivating for are all somehow dependent on pretending these guys were armed.

No wonder Garland hasn't pressed any charges! It's all making sense now.

I'm not saying Pence wasn't in danger, by the way, he obviously was.

You're not saying much of anything, r331/OP.

Youre being willfully obtuse.

My heart would break if you fucked off, R332. Please, no. Don't go.

R288 Is that so, Trump cocksucker?

It was Antifa! And bad actors!!!

Of course, they were just joshing. Nothing serious about any of it. Why don't we all just forget about this like it NEVER happened?!

I had OP blocked from other threads as Defacturd. Reading its comments on my ignore list, it’s totally trolling, which is why it wanted others to use its threads. Don’t engage it. Just block it. And don’t use its threads.

So Garland is going to cave to pressure and make a big show if "investigating" a bunch of hysterical bullshit he knows he can't prosecute, and we'll breathlessly follow his every utterance until 2024 for news of the awaited sedition trial!

It's never coming. I feel bad for Garland. This has to feel like babysitting.

Thank you, r338.

Start your own thread, trolls.

*NEWSWEEK* is now OWNED by Jared Kushner. Does anybody else think that might be an influence on what kind of politics they publish?

OP. The troll who trolls...

The trolling cockroach in this thread claiming they were never going to hurt Mike Pence (or anyone else), is the white trash version of an OJ Juror.

You had a mass of feral mouth-breathing troglodytes beating the shit out of cops, breaking windows, doors and hunting, and then there were the Oath Keeper/Proud Boy terrorists who had EVERY intention of killing elected officials - that's why they were already at the Capitol before that orange pile of shit even spoke.

Are you fucking kidding me that you think these people weren't there to kill? Mike Fanone said they were trying to get his gun and kill him with it when they were beating the shit out of him. One yelling "Kill him with his own gun!"

When you're in a sea of insanity like that, you are absolutely out for blood. There is no collective belief that we're not killing anyone. Your mind has been poisoned for years, told that anyone who stands in Trump's way is an enemy of 'muricah. Did you think that if they found anyone, they just would've yelled "Psyche!"

[quote]The trolling cockroach in this thread claiming they were never going to hurt Mike Pence (or anyone else)

That would be the OP, r344. Don't waste your time.

So this is a catch and kill thread? (Get us all here and then purposefully get it grayed out?)

Alternate thread

Thank you, ElderLez!

Love you, ElderLez!

Thread closed

R338 no, you didn’t. You had him blocked, but leave me out of it.

Stop obsessing over me. I don’t date bottoms.

[quote]At least 95% of the crowd had no idea why they were even there. I think about 5% of the crowd would have inflicted damange on Pence and any Dems they found. However who knows what a mob will do when they're all fired up. That's why Trump should have acted to defuse the situation.

It became clear on Day 1 of the hearings (incl,. by the documentarian embedded with the Proud Boys) that the crowd was whipped up by Trump so that it could be the manpower helping the Proud Boys/Oath Keepers carry out their plans to attack.

Notably, the Proud Boys weren't at the Trump rally - they gathered at the Washington Monument and went to the Peace Circle on the west side of the Capitol.

The Proud Boys/Oath Keeper were also in contact with Trump people weeks and days before the attack.

Poor De-Farto. Poor, poor De-Farto.

Everyone follow ElderLez, the Pied Piper of lonely gays, over to the group delusion thread. She spends about 15 hours a day on Datalounge.com working you all into a lather with paranoid bullshit. Enjoy!

Read: "We know what you want and we feel for you, but it's not possible to get convictions for any of this."

I agree R324 and that's why he didn't get in that car. Hero, my ass! As far as Pence knew they were about to whisk him away to someplace and murder him.

I got them to kill Epstein. Sad they couldn't get Pussy Pence.

Pence is no hero. As Lawrence O' Donnell pointed out, he had a month where he could've made it clear that the VP cannot decide the presidency. He could've made in public. Instead, he sat quiet and allowed those savages to plan and eventually gather and then do what they did.

So, here's how I read that R355;

If you're a white male and make an attempt to overthrow the government you will receive a slap on the wrist, and admonishment, a book deal and/or television show.

If you are a person of color and you're caught with a dime bag of marijuana you will be convicted to 20 years hard prison time, permanent unemployment, loss of voting privileges, etc

R359, and if you are a POC who went to vote because your parole officer told you it was OK and that you were now legally allowed to do so, you could potentially get 5 years in prison for fraud unless your story gets national attention in the press, then the prosecutor is forced to drop your case due to the outcry.

what the hell is Eric Herschmann's skin routine? Does he have botox? His skin is incredible ...and shiny.

Are you talking about the woman in Texas R360?

He's a slick, slippery lawyer, so it oozes from his pores, r361

Does anyone else think it's absolutely hilarious that notorious DL troll, nasty conservative self-hating shitbag/bossy bottom De-Facto R351 is obsessed with Maddison Cawthorn, the one Nazi who CAN'T fuck him? Sad.

[quote]Pence is no hero. As Lawrence O' Donnell pointed out, he had a month where he could've made it clear that the VP cannot decide the presidency.

And Dan Quayle, of all people, had to talk him into upholding his Constitutional duty.

Rolling Stone: "Bob Woodward and Robert Costa write in their book that Pence sought advice from Dan Quayle, the only living Republican vice president who had been in the position of certifying an election where his ticket was the losing one. And it was Quayle — the same man who has been something of a national punchline for a decade — who talked Pence off the ledge and into doing the right thing."

R365, really is amazing how it took old guard Republicans to save the country from their scummy offspring.

R366 I too, an so grateful for Republicans. Thank you GOP.

Thank you, GOP, for destroying democracy.

I did not know that Dan Quayle was still alive. I forgot he ever existed.

Carry On (Troll Reduced Thread) Here

[quote] And it was Quayle — the same man who has been something of a national punchline for a decade

An interesting illustration of media bias against an ideological target

He spelled potatoes wrong one time, and it was like he'd raped someone.

Remember Bill Stepien and the world's most conveniently timed baby? There's now a conspiracy theory that the baby doesn't exist. I'd assume he has to provide proof of some kind, like a birth certificate, to the committee in order to avoid contempt charges.

Mr. and Mrs. Bill Stepien invite you to join us on the Highway to the Danger Zone as we welcome the conveniently timed birth of our precious baby boy...

Maverick Iceman Kazansky Ronald Reagan 4evah Stepien

....brought into the world at 9 a.m. EST/6 a.m. PST on the second day of the January 6th Hearings 🍼🤎

Well?

When I look for advice on good governance, my first go-to is Condaleeza Rice.

*eyes roll into back of head*

And, you see R375... THIS is when I think that you need the media (maybe not the media because they will be accused of bias) or patriots/activists/ progressives to CALL THESE PEOPLE OUT and feature them on the red carpet and under the spotlights!

R377 Condi or the protestors?

R329 New Order was behind this? Thrilled they're putting out new work.

That Rice, a model establishment figure, minimizes Jan 6th, gives me more to fear than the criminal behavior of Trump and his Flyimg Monkey Votes Looters.

So glad that, barring sudden fatal illness or accident, I'll be dead in a couple of decades.

Turn the oven to OFF. The USA is done.

They need to have these on prime time and make the schedule is clear.

It wasn't just the potatoE thing with DQ. He was in fact a bit of an airhead when he spoke.

R381 It's been a much bigger pain in the ass than it should be to figure out when and where this will be airing, and especially who is scheduled to testify.

R380 Well, we definitely need to all come to an agreement that political violence is unacceptable. This "language if the unheard" nonsense is killing the country.

R384 Language OF the unheard. Ugh, I'll oh dear myself.

R384 What we know is that the MAGA world not only ignores political violence, but it excuses or even approves of it for the "right" reasons. One of the two major parties wholly approving or excusing political violence. This is why we are in new territory... and many are projecting another civil war.

I wonder if the center-left will fight, or just allow the right to violently and illegal take power everywhere. I think that's a question without an answer yet.

Trump is already starting to campaign on these hearings.

Pete Navarro pled not guilty to contempt of Congress (refusing to comply with a subpeona.) He also pledged to "take back Congress from the Pelosiites."

[quote] It wasn't just the potatoE thing with DQ. He was in fact a bit of an airhead when he spoke.

"Hawaii has always been a very pivotal role in the Pacific. It is in the Pacific. It is a part of the United States that is an island that is right here." (Dan Quayle during a visit to Hawaii in 1989)

"I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people." (J. Danforth Quayle)

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." (J. Danforth Quayle)

"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." (Vice President Dan Quayle)

"Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts." (Vice President Dan Quayle)

"Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." (Vice President Dan Quayle, 8/11/89)

"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century." (Vice President Dan Quayle, 9/15/88)

"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change." (Vice President Dan Quayle, 5/22/89)

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared'." (Vice President Dan Quayle, 12/6/89)

"May our nation continue to be the beakon of hope to the world." (The Quayles' 1989 Christmas card) [Not a beacon of literacy]

"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." (Vice President Dan Quayle)

"We don't want to go back to tomorrow, we want to go forward." (Vice President Dan Quayle)

"I have made good judgements in the Past. I have made good judgements in the Future." (Vice President Dan Quayle)

"The future will be better tomorrow." (Vice President Dan Quayle)

"We're going to have the best-educated American people in the world." (Vice President Dan Quayle, 9/21/88)

"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history." (Vice President Dan Quayle)

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." (Vice President Dan Quayle to Sam Donaldson, 1/17/89)

More at link

I have some questions about the background in Eric Herschman's video. First of all, what's that art supposed to represent? Is that a giant panda looking over the horizon of a lake? WTF is that? And what are those silver things on the wall? They're not faucet fixtures are they? Is he in a bathroom? If so, why is there a little bat labelled JUSTICE hanging on the wall? What room is in he and what are these objects? I have seen some weird ass background decor, but this one really take the cake.

R389, and I was 11-14yo when they were in power and even then, I knew he wasn't bright.

R390, the things you find out when googling: "In addition to his colorful language, Herschmann gave his deposition in a room with a baseball bat hung on the wall and the word "JUSTICE" inscribed on it in bold, white letters. Observers also noted a large painting behind him of a panda, by the artist Rob Pruitt, is similar to one that appeared in the 2015 erotic drama "50 Shades of Grey."

R387 I think what we've learned, or need to learn, is that he will "campaign" on anything at all that is happening. Whatever is in the news will be spun to show how "they" are trying to do something bad.... China tariffs, Hunter Biden business, oil prices, mortgage rates, vaccines, school curriculum, gun regulations, women's health policies, baby formula, Ukraine military assistance, Biden bike riding or speech patterns, crypto-currency, union organizing, the price of coffee...

... breathing...

... none of it matters. "He will campaign on it" So, ignore him and do the right thing, no matter what.

R390, here you go:

A person familiar with Herschmann’s art collection told POLITICO that the attorney is an avid art collector and sat on two contemporary art boards before joining the Trump White House. The three sculptures, created by Tal Frank, are a nod to his three older children.

The baseball bat, meanwhile, is the work of artist Sebastian Errazuriz. Herschmann received it as a gift from a friend after a successful trial, as a nod to the Scripture verse Deut. 16:20: “Justice, justice you shall pursue.” The bat’s location above the sculptures has been a running joke in Herschmann’s large family about his parenting style.

The panda piece is by artist Rob Pruitt. The same image appeared in the film 50 Shades of Grey, according to Daily Beast politics editor Matt Fuller. The person familiar with Herschmann’s art collection said that he acquired the work of art long before the film’s release.

R389 You just made my day. Loving those.

[quote]Condoleezza Rice says that while Jan. 6 Capitol riot was 'wrong,' it's time to move on

Fuck her.

You know what isn't really being discussed in all of this mess is how our very own legal system has been weaponized and used against the nation.

Trump has installed plenty of corrupt judges. Just look at the "Supreme "Court.

R397 In what way?

Rice is a Republican, therefore she is a traitor. What did you expect?

R382, Yet, Ted Kennedy came to Quayle's defense during all the media criticism about his abilities. Ted had worked with him on Senate committees and found him to be quite capable.

In a poll taken as the Jan. 6 hearings rolled out, Americans approve of criminally charging former President Donald Trump for his role in the attack — by a whopping 17-point margin.

Respondents to a Navigator Research poll released this week were asked “Do you support or oppose the Department of Justice filing criminal charges against Donald Trump for his involvement with the attack on the Capitol on January 6th?”

The responses were overwhelmingly in support of charging Trump, with 54 percent support versus only 37 percent opposition.

THAT won't help Dump if he decides to run again--if that many Americans would prefer to see him in jail. I doubt they'll be voting for him.

This is why these committee hearings are a damn good thing. Put it ALL out there.

[quote]Condoleezza Rice says that while Jan. 6 Capitol riot was 'wrong,' it's time to move on

As opposed to what shits like her do where they "move on" by using a tragedy to further a neocon agenda where you invade a country that had nothing to do with that tragedy.

R405, But she plays a mean piano.

This article is about a pretty obvious social phenomenon (that isn't exclusive to Republicans, even though the article pretends it is.)

It's got me absolutely fucking stormin', though, guess why?

"It wasn’t the noose hanging outside the Capitol that upset them, the chants of 'hang Mike Pence' or the testimony of the president’s former attorney general..."

The WHAT? Where? It was at least a block away and it was obviously a useless decoration.

I got so pissed off about this I tried to see if NBC corporate has an ombudsman. They don't appear to, I think the editor over this article is Liz Johnstone.

I'm sure NBC is too much of a global mega-conglomerate to issue corrections or bother reading e-mails from the little people.

Fucking DISGUSTING. This is why liberals live in a hyper articulated fantasy world. We get lied to ad nauseum.

[quote] Jan. 6 panel isn’t swaying these swing-state Republicans

That surprises you after years of crying wolf with fake dossiers, FBI "insurance policies" with Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, MSNBC hysteria, and sore loser impeachments?

R410 I mean, I don't know about all that.

I never followed the hysterical" Insurrection!!!!1!" threads initially because I could smell the bullshit on them. I figured I'd tune in when something actually happened- so here I am watching the hearings closely.

Only to find out that this is a bunch of painfully childish lies! You would have to be lobotomized to think Pence was in danger of being hanged.

They were obviously planning on gang raping him to death.

They were chanting "Fuck Pence! Fuck Pence!"

All part of Trump's masterplan.

Trump was a traitor and all in on a coup to keep him in power. I hope he rots in hell and I hope it’s sooner than later.

I'm checking back out of this, I'm done. I'm sure ElderLez will skitter back over here in a heartbeat to make this thread her fiefdom now I'm gone.

I'm not watching any more of the hearings. They were fun for a couple of days, but Jesus Christ. I have anything else to do but pay attention to this shit.

If the noose was just a "decoration", please feel free to test it out OP.

R415 I literally could. It looks like they filled the inside of the knot with spray foam, or maybe wrapped it around a mold so it couldn't tighten.

You absolute braindead retards.

Have you taken your ivermectin today OP? The best way is rectally, you know.

Stop engaging with this asshole. There is nothing you can say to convince him that Pence was in real danger. He is brainwashed.

Let it go.

I have repeatedly said that I don't understand the need to lie about hanging or harpooning Pence because it's already an obvious threat to his safety to have an angry mob near him.

He was at risk of being beaten, which you can absolutely die from- especially at his age.

I am not the one married to stupid lies. I have also expressed the suspicion that lying about the noose somehow ties into the seditious conspiracy charges against Trump, because why else would you care so much?

I have a Halloween decoration hangman’s gallows I built for Halloween. Even though it’s decor, I have no doubt it could be used successfully. It’s not rocket science that a rope around someone’s neck hanging on a beam high enough for them to hang will kill them.

Some of my favorite decor!

Nazis are losers. Hitler wouldn’t have any of those right wing fuckface fatties in his circle.

R159 I know of a Hispanic woman who went. She works for someone I know and has convinced her boss that what we see on tv is ALL LIES! She claims she stood on the scaffolding and watched,,,,,and what the media has shown is all lies. The rest of us roll our eyes and tell her boss that she is the one who is lying. The media didn't just cook up all of that footage or edit it live that day.

R423 She's definitely more reliable than NBC News or the FBI.

R420 So you just have a gallows in your house, you freaky weirdo.

It isn't a decoration unless you've taken steps to make sure it can't be used, like locking the knot or making the rope too short. You could also make the gallows so short that a grown man could be on his knees and still not choke hanging from the top. Live theater productions do this all the time, as do haunted houses.

That gallows they had at the insurrection could have been used successfully, cunt face.

This insurrection denialist is a stupid fucking bitch.

R424 She claims that no one tried to break into the Capitol, they were let in (we all acknowledge that some were let in, but there were others breaking in, including the woman who was shot and killed). Also, not too much fighting (tell that to the 100 or so cops who were injured).

She's lying because she doesn't want her boss to think badly of her for running off to join the rally instead of showing up to work.

R390 / R392 Herschmann's bravado reminds me of Anthony Scaramucci. Both are big talkers after the fact (being in Trump's circle) and give off a 'look at me' vibe. The baseball bat with the word JUSTICE painted on it is creepy. Who the fuck does he fantasize using that on?

[quote]That Rice, a model establishment figure, minimizes Jan 6th, gives me more to fear than the criminal behavior of Trump and his Flyimg Monkey Votes Looters.

To me, Rice's comments were more about making herself into Someone Who Must Be Listened To rather than reflecting anyone's opinions. She's always been a self-serving careerist (war in Iraq on false pretenses? Nothing to see here, kids!) and a total phony, even by political standards.

If anything, people like her hate Trump for loudly doing what she Bush tried to do quietly...

Amazing, the dissembling about the threats made to Pence. OF COURSE the noose was only a symbol, street theater. OF COURSE the threat to Pence was real however. The Secret Service, who are professionals in assessing threat, wanted him out of there.

So here on DL and out in the world, this attack on a sitting Congress is fine and Trump's role in it is just "oh, that's just Trump, you know how he is.." (Texas Republican legislators pass "gay is an abnormal lifestyle choice", the election was a fraud. Oh they don't REALLY mean it, you know how they are.)

Yet, the weight of history will have some impact... if not in November 2022, eventually. Republicans of course will not respond to a poll question about the culpability of Trump. They like Trump because of his culpability.

R431,,I'll smoke what you are. Your "here on DL..." comments are BRAIN-ADDLED.

R431 is beyond treatment. Institutionalizing is the only answer.

[quote]So here on DL and out in the world, this attack on a sitting Congress is fine and Trump's role in it is just "oh, that's just Trump, you know how he is.." (Texas Republican legislators pass "gay is an abnormal lifestyle choice", the election was a fraud. Oh they don't REALLY mean it, you know how they are.)

IMHO, I don't think that many people understand the depth and severity of this matter. Too many think that an overthrow of our government is simply out of the realm of a possibility. It would probably take a lot of people waking up to a successful overthrow of the government and then realizing; "SHIT! WHAT HAPPENED?"

[quote]Yet, the weight of history will have some impact...

I've posted this before; Today's Republicans couldn't give a shit about history. They live for the moment and besides they'll be dead anyway and who will care?

R434, What you say is not true, according to polls. And it is decidedly not true of DL.

Read the room.

R435 The room has been read ad infinitum. It's no longer a slippery slope... we rush to perdition, and as a pastime spend way too much time in digital space that are Soma to our conscience. Selah.

R436 You come across as kooky, but your prose is incredible. I really enjoyed reading that, even though I think you're massively overstating the case. There's nothing Biblical about this. Selah.

Is an apology in order here?

Some of us are NOT surprised by the conditions that we are facing now...

If only that jokey pic were real, the world would be a better place.

Condoleeza Rice reminds me of one of those nurses that appear at the end of the Twilight Zone episode "Eye of the Beholder."

Condoleeza Rice is an antiheroine. Such talent wasted.

Tomorrow’s hearing is going to be the most explosive yet.

[quote] Tomorrow’s hearing is going to be the most explosive yet.

Who cares. Tuesday is the superbowl.

R443 Oh thank God someone intelligent intervened with those stupid nun outfits.

so ready for the fucking hearing

and love that 1 of the election workers who got death threats from those rabid MAGA freaks is going to testify. She also was the one who Trump's campaign tried tricking by sending another Black woman who used to work for Kanye West telling her to admit she committed voter fraud so they'd save her from whatever was going to happen to her in the next 48 hours. So glad this election worker was smart and didn't fall for the Trump/Kanye trap

R445, there's a special place in hell for people like that Kanye cunt who does the bidding of white trash supremacists. Is that bitch still employed?

Show us your bare ass, Adam.

I'm ready I have my popcorn

"I have no evidence, I just have a feeling that the election is corrupt, so I am not going to vote to certify..." Says Republican Election Official.

Folks just don't understand how nuts this all is. It's all about power and winning, not about democracy. It's like the cray cray left wing in the 60s and 70s who saw the CIA in everything, because they just had a feeling. Only the Repubs are elected officials. We are in trouble.

Love Rep Schiff.

🥰🥰

Rep. Jim Jordan @Jim_Jordan: The same people who told us there was “more than circumstantial evidence” of Russian collusion want us to believe their bogus January 6th narratives.

Americans know better.

Love how they ended that video with that traitor saying that the penalty for treason is death.

Exactly what those assholes deserve.

R449, An insurrection led by the President of the United States is nothing like even the Weather Underground or Black Panthers, the latter two groups' being composed of citizens.

The latter might have included violence, but for sure the former is TREASON.

Black Bald guy behind Bowers’ right shoulder is already nodding off. Heh heh. This should be fun.

This guy is GOOD! He discusses his Oath and links it with his faith and God!!! Hallelujah!!!

Excellent witness.

And, in other news:

Supreme Court says Maine cannot exclude religious schools from tuition assistance programs

And, please return back to your scheduled programming

R450 Over time I have found Schiff a little bit smarmy. But his lawyer-like precision really gets at the truth.

Ed Harris to play Hon Bowers in Adam McKay’s upcoming film J6.

Schiff has perma smirk face which bugs me but he seems like a good guy

Looks like Trump has determined who he'll throw under the bus for all this:

With the Justice Department and Jan. 6 committee taking a close look at Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, he and his cronies could certainly use a fall guy, and it looks like they’ve found their patsy: right-wing lawyer John Eastman.

Eastman worked for Trump as the attorney devised legal strategies to overturn the election to keep the outgoing president in power. But, in recent weeks, Trump has confided to those close to him that he sees no reason to publicly defend Eastman.

President Reagan's name has been invoked and canonized. Lights out! This is over!!!

R462 Silly distractions.

This train is coming into the station.

“And, Mr Bowers, how frequently did Mr. Guiliani fart during the purported “legislative hearing” at the hotel?”

I need tissue after Mr. Bowers testimony. Moving... Simply moving...

Bowers testimony was riveting.

Not to the two guys behind him, r466.

In the current environment of short attention spans and social media sound bites, he delivered.

I really thought these hearings would convince no Republican to be more concerned. I still suspect that, but it's less apparent to me.

R467 Pure distractions. "His shoes needed to be polished!!"

The content of this now is unassailable.

Piece of shit Chris Christie on ABC just tried to equivocate Trump and Trump allies refusing to accept the result of the election with Hillary Clinton’s believing the election was stolen in 2000. David Tyler Muir shot him down, thank god.

[quote]Bowers testimony was riveting.

Agreed, but he lost me when he said the Constitution was "divinely inspired."

[quote]“And, Mr Bowers, how frequently did Mr. Guiliani fart during the purported “legislative hearing” at the hotel?”

Mr. Bowers:

"Often there was a muffled noise and a putrid sulfur smell that permeated the room, but whether that was due to flatulence or just that Mr Giuliani himself is the spawn of Satan, I couldn't say with complete acuity"

Now, that's the first time that I have ever heard that Hillary thought the election was stolen.

R462, that’s how you engage republicans in this discussion. You have to bring them in, not exclude them.

R471 But that's exactly what Fox showed more than once. Wouldn't it be something if this actually moved the needle. Fox needs to shut the fuck up when faced with the "Divinely-inspired Constitution"

I'm sorry, but I have to be a bitchy DLer: Bowers desperately needs moisturizer and lip balm.

Trump's "hardly knowing Eastman" is meaningless.

Trump the deeply psychopathic narcissist "hardly knows" anyone, not his family (including children), not his most important employees/lawyers, and decidedly not himself. So no matter to whom he refers, Trump is eminently truthful.

I still am dismayed that, regardless of their oath and Bible, each witness tried their level best, by recounting and checking ballots and procedures, to accommodate Trump's ad hoc requests, because they wanted the Fascist to win. Even Raffensberger checked until he couldn't check anymore. So he knew there were no missing 11,800 Trump votes.

That is my understanding, anyway.

"Professional scammer." Everything with him is an exaggeration. She wasn't merely a scammer, but a professional one. This stupid, orange fuck just can't open his mouth without bullshit coming out. Not a fucking thing he says has any meaning and anyone who votes for him including these "honorable" people, can go fuck themselves because they still voted for bullshit suppression laws based on these Trump lies. It's like reporting the bank robber but still picking up cash after the robber is reported.

One more general observation:

This J6 Committee has broken a main rule of TV by not being consistent in schedules. Is it noon, 1:00 p.m., 3:00 p.m....?

Say what you will about Americans and ignorance, but I, as a political junkie, find this frustrating.

I think all J6 Hearings should be Prime-Time, period. CNN, MSNBC, C-Span3.

I agree. R479

It was said long before the hearings started that they would be on during prime time. I wonder why that changed.

R479 Frankly, the hearings are not for anyone who watches the whole thing. It's 1) to present evidence for history ad 2) produce soundbites for digital media.

The hearings are in YouTube. I think people are watching it.

Those poor women. They had to move out of their house. Even the grandmother was harassed.

Soundbite from today, r482:

"Lady Ruby."

Dl's boyfriend will present tomorrow!

R486 And the Mormon guy crying about the God-inspired Constitution he will defend with his life. Powerful.

On CBS on June 9, an episode of a program called “Young Sheldon” was preempted by the hearings. The network drew 3.24 million viewers, or about 600,000 fewer viewers than a rerun of “Young Sheldon,” which was watched by 3.86 million the week before. And when compared to “Young Sheldon’s” last non-repeat on May 19, that drew 6.9 million viewers, or more than double the inaugural hearing on CBS.

When taken out of primetime, the 1/6 numbers almost completely cratered. Monday, June 13 saw an average of about 10 million viewers. By Day three on Thursday, the number of viewers dropped even further.

There’s a “been there, done that” feel to all of this. Donald Trump was already impeached over his rhetoric that helped fuel the Capitol riot 17 months ago. More importantly, unlike President Nixon during the Watergate hearings nearly 50 years ago, which 71 percent of the country tuned in for, Trump is no longer in office.

I said it in 2015 and I say it now: If you ever at any point supported Trump knowing he was a birther, bigot, racist, all-around ignoramus and scumbag, you are trash. I couldn't care less how much money, power, education or influence you have: You are a pile of shit without a conscience.

And let me just add: That doesn't mean I expect you to be a Democrat who prays to Hillary or Biden. It means that you don't proactively hand power to someone as insidious, scummy and stupid as Trump. The man has always been ignorant, low-class filth.

R462 In honor of our late President Ronald Reagan, I'd like to post this inspiring quote from him during his last year in the White House.

"Appasauce kitty kitt kit kit appa no nooo no kit kit shoooop shooop shooppppppeee nan nanas"

Wait are there. TWO THREADS ON PART 3??

WHAT IN THE EVER LIVING FUCK IS THE POINT OF TWO THREADS???

GOD I HATE WHAT THIS SHITHOLE HAS BECOME!!!

This thread was started by a troll for Trump. Part 3B is for grown-ups.

Two threads and an ego competition between little OPs about which one is official.

r493 seems to have maturity issues

r493 is correct.

R493 Grown ups my asshole, they're pontificating about imaginary bullshit and egging each other on in shared delusions about some soap opera involving Pence. They live in an alternate dimension.

R492 This is the original thread, following the normal format. They huffed off because I got angry when they were making insane aims about nooses and spears on January 6th. They can't handle being told they're wrong.

Point proved at r497.

[quote]The network drew 3.24 million viewers, or about 600,000 fewer viewers than a rerun of “Young Sheldon,” which was watched by 3.86 million the week before.

I always knew Iain Armitage would fuck up democracy.

I think John Lithgow would be more touching as Bowers than Harris. He radiates integrity and kindness.

WAIT A MINUTE...

Guiliani said; Ruby and Shaye Freeman were quite obviously surreptitiously passing around USB ports as if they were vials of heroin or cocaine...

Now, HOW did I ever miss that???? What a racist (and attempt at stereotyping) thing to say!!! Where is the OUTRAGE from the Black community and various organizations regarding such a comment??? I guess if I missed that then many others have possibly missed it too. But... now, it has been heard. It's time for action!

What would Diamond & Silk say?

Diamond and Silk® @DiamondandSilk: Everything about January 6th but nothing about 2000 Mules: The media are straight hypocrites!

Insofar as there are official DataLounge threads about anything, both this thread and 3B are both official threads. It seemed like this thread was likely to get greyed out because the OP (according to other posters) was the person making the silly comments about how Pence wasn't actually at risk of harm, comments that were getting lots of ffs.

In the heat of the moment I thought it might have been intentional by the OP, to disappear the discussion. (In retrospect though I was probably wrong about that.) Intentional or not I didn't want the discussion disappeared and I linked back to this thread when I started that thread so people could find it even if it were greyed out.

The tenor of the two threads is different since there is not complete overlap in posters. People obviously are making their own judgements about that.

OP, I turn this thread back to you. I don't care who starts thread 4. I just don't want it greyed out.

[quote]Now, HOW did I ever miss that???? What a racist (and attempt at stereotyping) thing to say!!! Where is the OUTRAGE from the Black community and various organizations regarding such a comment???

Forget that. Where are the defamation lawsuits?

I'm not gay!

They got a settlement from OAN.

And I think the lawsuit against Guiliani is still going. They filed in Dec '21

Is anyone else watching MSNBC? They just showed reporters confronting Ron Johnson about his role and he was pretending to be on the phone and got called out by the reporter. He said "I'm on the phone" and the reporter said "No, you're not. I can see your screen." 😂

How fucked up is WI to allow this shit to rep them?

OP sucks Madison's dead dick.

Here's the clip of Johnson faking his phone call:

Bowers said he would vote for Trump again if he was nominee. There are No heroes

The conclusion to draw? Mormon Bowers thinks, as with his view of the US Constitution, that the candidacy of Trump was and would be "divinely inspired."

This thread sucks. Clearly it’s the inferior thread of the two.

R514 The cool kids are having lunch at the other table.

Wow...

J6 Committee members are receiving Security Details because of the increase in death threats. And, I thought the Republicans and MAGA people weren't watching the hearings...

The Trumpettes are losing their minds because black people are speaking the truth. Fucking hilarious.

And yet, R516, Bowers says he would vote for Trump again.

[quote]The conclusion to draw? Mormon Bowers thinks, as with his view of the US Constitution, that the candidacy of Trump was and would be "divinely inspired."

My opinion, based on these facts, is that he's nuts.

Bowers shows that he is vile that he even puts politics above his own family's well-being. For fuck sake, his daughter was dying of cancer and Trump's feral scum made her last days made even worse and yet Bowers would vote for that pile of shit again knowing full-well Trump couldn't have cared less that Bowers' daughter suffered even more than she already had been due to Trump

Rumor has it Kinzinger's threatening note is fake.

Adam wouldn't make it up.

He's a scammer and an attention whoring diva, he absolutely would.

Adam!

Does Jr own this thread?

Lotta juniors running around.

What note?

R527, B flat, Rose.

There are no heroes

A new Quinnipiac poll seems to indicate the hearings are working:

It struck me this morning they will drag this out at least until before the election. Probably longer.

That’s good, R531.

They have to keep the treason fresh in the minds of the entire country.

Even if the repigs amd deplorables don’t watch, it still filters down to them somehow.

More Americans are realizing what evil nazis the Repugs actually are

I have to say, while Trump was planning all of this practically in plain sight (having the Proud Boys over a week before 1/6), it's still kind of shocking the extent of the conspiracy. Being in the tank for Trump is one thing, but assuming they have the will to do so, DOJ could put Ron Johnson in prison for his role in election fraud. Clearly I shouldn't be, but it's still kind of shocking how far people were willing to go.

Pardons!

(CNN)Federal investigators on Wednesday conducted a search of the home of former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, people briefed on the matter tell CNN.

Clark is the former DOJ lawyer who former President Donald Trump sought to install as attorney general in the days before the January 6 Capitol riot as top officials refused to go along with his vote fraud claims.

He was at the center of an effort by Trump to get the Justice Department to falsely claim there was enough voter fraud in Georgia and other states that he lost, in a last-minute bid to help sow doubt about Joe Biden's victory and pave the way for him to remain in power.

A spokesman for the US Attorney's Office in Washington confirmed that "there was law enforcement activity in the vicinity" of Clark's home but declined to comment on any particular person or activity.

Attorneys for Clark didn't respond to requests for comment.

R530 I thought we were clutching our Bibles and saluting the flag and doing this for liberty, justice, and TRUE patriotism as opposed to FAKE patriotism.

In August 2021, Jeffrey Clark was named the Chief of Litigation and Director of Strategy for the New Civil Liberties Alliance (NCLA), which describes itself as a nonpartisan, nonprofit civil rights organization whose goal is "to protect constitutional freedoms from violations by the Administrative State." The NCLA is mainly funded by the Charles Koch Foundation. The organization's current focus is opposition to vaccine mandates and other Covid-19-related regulations and orders. In October, after Clark received a congressional subpoena regarding his participation in the January 6 attack on the Capitol, his name disappeared from the NCLA site.

[quote]New Civil Liberties Alliance

I'm sure they are to civil liberties what Escobar was to anti-drug efforts.

LOL! Kinzinger almost slipped and said "shit". ".... his conspiracy sh... theories"

Ahem...

[quote] “These authors are left without an audience, since liberals never liked them to begin with.”

So, I guess Conservatives don't read?

Maddow just posted this. I remember it vividly. Now it takes on more meaning. So maybe Rachel is going to finally focus on this.

Grassley will be protected - that's the problem. His name won't come up during the hearings.

[quote]Grassley will be protected - that's the problem. His name won't come up during the hearings.

Ya see... that's just it. IMHO, the Committee is only scratching the surface with this. This mess involves a WHOLE lot of Republicans and not only the Jim Jordans and Matt Gaetz. I feel that Lindsey Graham is in on this in someway. Louis Gohmert, Chuck Grassley, on and on. EVERYONE that voted against certifying the election results needs to be looked at very closely.

I think R544 is likely right, however, they're smart enough not to have their fingerprints all over this shitshow. Probably the best we can hope for is that once that imbeciles start to panic that they've been outed & their Orange God won't save them, they'll turn on each other & anyone else they can throw under the bus

I believe this investigation and subsequent prosecutions will be going on for years. More information is still coming in. No one should feel safe yet.

Brooks sent an email with the subject line “Pardons” to the White House requesting a pardon for Rep. Matt Gaetz, himself, and “every congressman or senator who voted to reject the electoral college vote submissions of Arizona and Pennsylvania.”

Look. In all 50 states there were Trump operatives, gradually taking contol of the state parties' operations. Some ran state GOP committees, state party people and activists. They helped organize the fake electors where needed. They helped organize and recuit people for Jan. 6th, Arranged transportation, housing, and raised money to send them. They coordinated with Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and militias. Roger Stone helped build a vast network of agitators. These are the same people who run political campaigns in those states. So we have to dismantle the infrastructure and that means decertify the RNC and cite them under RICO.

R547 But they didn’t get pardons, did they!

HANG HIM! HANG THEM ALL!!! HANG THEM ALL NOW!!! Let the courts sort it all out later!

If Trump screwed me out of a pardon, I’d throw him and his whole family under the bus.

[quote]But they didn’t get pardons, did they!

No they didn’t, but they wouldn’t have asked for them if they didn’t think they were guilty of something. Bad luck for them that the man whose ass they licked for four years wouldn’t throw them a life preserver. (And they’re still licking his ass!)

A Pardon to cover up a crime is not legal.

Congratulations! You're a winner! You escaped this mess!

He's literally an elf^

Ahem....

Louie Gohmert

Watching the media "analysts" can be so frustating. Whatever else you want to say about those fucking members of Congess they, or more likely their staff knew they were violating the Constitution and breaking the Law. So the Pardon requests are not surprising. And they also know there is precedent. A number of members of Congress were expelled for not recognizing Lincoln, too. So the point is, they knew they were breaking the law , and that means they knew the claims were false about election fraud. And they were expecting to get busted for it. So I'm surprised the media is surprised about the pardon requests.

If you're looking to find something to be surprised about, it is the fact that no one has faced any consequences for what? 17-18 months? These membes expected repercussions and nothiing happened to them. There has been no urgency, no arrests, no consequences. You want to be "surprised?" That's worth looking at. Because we are in the mddle of a coup and by not acting decisively and with ugency we have allowed the bad guys to gain traction. And BTW: Now that we have been shown how truly complex and far reaching this conspiracy is, a good question to ask is , Who was advising Trump on all of this. Because he made it plain at least two years befoe the coup attempt, that he wanted to stay in office. So who was advising him, and planning this? IMO Roger Stone, Manafort, Steven Miller, Bannon, and others, yes, but they were being "encouraged" . My guess is that it was several someones but prominent among them was Miller, the white supremacist and Tump's closest adviser who is very good at hiding in plain sight.

[quote]If you're looking to find something to be surprised about, it is the fact that no one has faced any consequences for what? 17-18 months? These membes expected repercussions and nothiing happened to them. There has been no urgency, no arrests, no consequences.

History repeating itself. The same thing happened after the Civil War.

R558 Jesus Christ, the histrionics on this thread. I guess I should be impressed you didn't bring up Hitler.

Here's part 4, since again no one has made one:

I need to bury my face between Adam Kinzinger's cheeks and plunge my tongue up his hole until he begs me to stop.

Stop. I SAID STOP R561!

STOP MEANS STOP!

We Interrupt Your Regularly Scheduled Programming to Bring You This Breaking News...

Log Cabin Republicans @LogCabinGOP From @brad_polumbo:

[quote]“We can and should have a robust debate over abortion rights. But let’s do it without needlessly scaring people that other core rights are under attack when they simply are not.”

We now shall resume with your regular programming...

Fucking cunts, R563. I hope they catch monkey pox.

Could the Log Cabin Republicans BE any bigger quislings?

R565 Thank you for giving me two new words/phrases to Google -- Log Cabin Republicans and quislings.

R566 I'm assuming you're not American.

The January 6 hearings [italic] may [/] actually be having an effect on some of the hard right

[quote]In an op-ed for The New York Post, former Trump ally, Piers Morgan, referred to Trump as an “aging, raging gorilla who’s become a whiny, democracy-defying bore.” He then urged his readers to “Dump Trump.”

Everyone loves Piers Morgan. So glad he's still here, somehow.

Something BIG must have come to light. There is a hearing scheduled for 1PM TOMORROW

Any guesses on what the bombshells could be?

Rumor is that Pat Cipollone will be testifying.

I was thinking Eastman since it's out there that Trump wants to make him the fall guy.

Cippollone is a good guess.

Don't you just love a soap with a cliff hanger and a surprise witness ?

^Wasn’t that the fake Alexis Carrington shown in the season finale of S1? They didn’t have Joan Collins in the cast until S2.

R576 just got the platinum gay card

Uday Trump:

Eric Trump: “Inciting violence was fair game.”

[quote]Eric Trump: “Inciting violence was fair game.”

Wow. An even bigger moron than his dumbass father.

The "emergency hearing" is scheduled for primary election day. What is so urgent that it couldn't wait until Wednesday? Another induced pregnancy?

Just how viciously did the Staten Islander slap Rudy?

[quote] The "emergency hearing" is scheduled for primary election day

Good catch.

Merrick Garland was in the Ukraine to view evidence Ukraine Intel provided that a member of Congress is a Russian Agent.

Did they finally find evidence that MTG planted the bombs?

OMG, R583, if only! Holy shit, that would be fantastic.

Worth watching. It's related.

Something is happening. The Feds seized John Eastman's phones last week but it is just now being reported;

John Eastman searched and had phone seized by federal agents last week, he says

(CNN)The FBI seized the phone of former President Donald Trump's election attorney John Eastman last week, according to a new court filing from the lawyer.

Eastman disclosed the search and seizure in federal court in a lawsuit that he filed in New Mexico on Monday, calling it improper.

About six federal investigators approached the right-wing lawyer in New Mexico when he was exiting a restaurant after dinner with his wife and a friend, according to the court filings. Agents were able to get access to Eastman's email accounts on his iPhone 12 Pro, the filings said.

Eastman is the latest person whose communications have become part of extensive Justice Department investigations related to January 6.

Eastman contends the agents "forced" him to unlock his phone. A seizure warrant document included in Eastman's filing noted any electronic devices agents seized were to be sent to Washington, DC, or the Justice Department inspector general's forensic lab in northern Virginia.

Eastman is asking a federal judge to force the Justice Department to return his property, destroy records it has obtained and block investigators from being allowed to access the phone.

The search and seizure occurred the same day that federal agents raided the home of Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer sympathetic to Trump's conspiracies of election fraud.

This story has been updated with additional details.

Oh, shit, R585. I love it. And she's dressed like absolute trash. It's not enough she's a stupid cunt, but look at how she dresses. She literally looks and sounds like white trash (and when I say "sounds," I don't mean her accent. I mean she's an idiot).

To think you're on the better side between Raskin and Greene, when you choose Greene is why we need to separate as a nation. No normal, decent person looks at that racist, bigoted neanderthal and thinks she should have power.

Cippolone? Or outtakes from the Trump documentary film? Have they had enough time to put together a presentation?

Anyone think that looking at Eastman’s phone wasn’t to get Eastman, but just to corroborate other information gotten elsewhere that brings down a big fish?

Like, they found some other information elsewhere, maybe in that documentary, and Eastman’s phone would verify what’s in the documentary. If that’s it, it could be about Trump.

[quote]Anyone think that looking at Eastman’s phone wasn’t to get Eastman, but just to corroborate other information gotten elsewhere that brings down a big fish?

To me, I think the committee is looking for evidence that most of us all know to be true. That is; Trump was directly involved and coordinated this whole mess. The USA has never brought charges against a US president for sedition, treason, or whatever else you want to call it. Therefore, the evidence must be conclusive, indisputable, irrefutable, and whatever else. Lizzy is going after Trump. This just shows us that when you need a job done hire a Republican because Democrats obviously can't do shit.

We had a DLer who was with the DOJ - I'd like to know their view on all of this.

[quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . .

Your lack of interest in these hearings has already been noted, Condolleeza.

Are we going to thread 3b when this thread is full? That one is over 500 posts as well.

The Eastman phone seizure

I just love how ahocked and outraged Eastman, Giuliani, etc are when the feds raid them or confiscate shit. Because to say they're "being investigated" it's all a lawyers game one side vs. the other in a court room or filing motions, and writing briefs. But when FBI Agents actually raid your house or snatch your phone, the physicality has to be jarring to these arrogant old farts. Today Rudy was sputtering angry because after examining video of his "assault" at the supermarket, the judge reduced the charges against Rudy's alleged assailant who c alled him a douchebag to his face. LOL! I can't wait until Mar A Lago is raided and Trump is standing there with his dick in his hand screaming at them.

So, it appears as if it will be Mark Meadows assistant who will be testifying today.

Former Meadows aide will testify before January 6 committee on Tuesday, sources say

(CNN)Cassidy Hutchinson, an aide to former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and a witness to many critical events and conversations, is expected to testify publicly on Tuesday before the select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, US Capitol attack, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Her planned appearance was first reported by Punchbowl News.

Hutchinson has already been interviewed by the committee behind closed doors and video clips from her deposition have been featured by the panel during earlier hearings. But her live testimony would mark a significant moment in the committee's series of hearings as Hutchinson has long been considered one of its most consequential witnesses due to her proximity to former President Donald Trump's then-White House chief of staff.

The appearance was hastily arranged on a week where no public activity had been anticipated and a public hearing was announced by the committee just 24 hours before it was set to begin. The rush to hold the hearing -- after the panel had said it would not hold any more until July -- underscores the importance of Hutchinson's expected live testimony.

Hutchinson has answered the panel's questions during three separate sessions and went over "new ground" with the committee last month, though it was not immediately clear what was discussed during that deposition.

During one hearing last week, the committee played a video clip of Hutchinson testifying that Meadows and former President Donald Trump's onetime attorney Rudy Giuliani were involved in early conversations about putting forward fake slates of electors -- a core tenet of the broader effort to overturn the 2020 election.

The panel has also played video of Hutchinson testifying that Rep. Scott Perry, a Pennsylvania Republican, wanted then-Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Clark to take over the department -- connecting another key part of Trump's effort to upend Joe Biden's election win.

"He wanted Mr. Clark -- Mr. Jeff Clark -- to take over the Department of Justice," she said of Perry in a clip of her deposition that was played at a hearing last week. Hutchinson also named several Republican members of Congress who she said had inquired about pardons, either for themselves or others, in the lead-up to January 6, according to other video played by the committee during its hearings, including: Perry and Reps. Matt Gaetz of Florida, Mo Brooks of Alabama, Andy Biggs of Arizona, Jim Jordan of Ohio and Louie Gohmert of Texas.

CNN has reported that during one of her interviews with the committee, Hutchinson said Trump had suggested to Meadows that he approved of the "hang Mike Pence" chants from rioters who stormed the US Capitol.

She also testified that Trump had complained about his then-vice president being hustled to safety while Trump supporters breached the Capitol, the sources previously told CNN. CNN previously reported that Hutchinson was likely to testify in person during one of the committee's upcoming hearings after she replaced her lawyer who had significant links to Trump, according to a source familiar with the matter She was not willing to risk getting a contempt of Congress charge in order to impede the probe, the source familiar said, and the change in representation was a sign that she was more willing to cooperate with the committee.

But they already had her on video.

^I just heard on "Morning Joe" that there have been a number of very credible threats against her and her life and thus the protection and secrecy.

[quote]Trump is standing there with his dick in his hand screaming at them

So, literally nothing to see there.

Part 4