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Chris Watts is in Wisconsin, dammit! - Part 2

Thrive On!

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by Anonymousreply 601March 12, 2019 5:39 PM

What I would like to know is how Shanann was stangled! She didnt fight back. Apparently, so then what? Was she asleep? Even if he snuck up on her, there would be defense wounds.

by Anonymousreply 1December 29, 2018 4:54 PM

I think she had been drinking, and was lying down in their bed. She was texting with her friends about Chris refusing to touch her and being horny, I think she got into a thong and was hoping Chris was going to be affectionate with her, but instead he cut off her breathing until she died. He probably pretended he was down for some sex and she was thinking sex would save the marriage.

by Anonymousreply 2December 29, 2018 5:02 PM

Did he kill the kids before or after Shanann got home?

by Anonymousreply 3December 29, 2018 5:11 PM

R1 - I thought I read a post somewhere (in response to a similar question), that it takes 7–14 seconds from strangulation to have the victim pass out, and in the following 2 minutes or so for them to die. There was speculation that CW could simply have walked up to SW from behind and incapacitated her in fairly short order.

by Anonymousreply 4December 29, 2018 5:16 PM

We killed the kids before she got home.

by Anonymousreply 5December 29, 2018 5:48 PM

Who bought the lipstick at 2:30am?

by Anonymousreply 6December 29, 2018 5:50 PM

They used Shanann’s credit card and it was declined.

by Anonymousreply 7December 29, 2018 5:50 PM

It was a hair product, not lipstick.

by Anonymousreply 8December 29, 2018 5:56 PM

The previous threads filled up with Poo.

by Anonymousreply 9December 29, 2018 6:01 PM

I thought it was lipstick. Huh. So, Nikki was with him?

by Anonymousreply 10December 29, 2018 6:01 PM

Have you written Chris yet R8?

by Anonymousreply 11December 29, 2018 6:04 PM

He did a horrible job at murdering his family, that is what is so curious. For all the trouble of stuffing their bodies in oil, he should have just called the police and confessed, said the Thrive was making it so he couldn't sleep for many nights and he blacked out.

He knew the neighbor was videotaping his house, so why kill them there? It's mind boggling how dumb he was.

by Anonymousreply 12December 29, 2018 6:09 PM

I wouldn’t waste the spit it would take to stamp the envelope R11. Why would I write him?

by Anonymousreply 13December 29, 2018 6:09 PM

I’m shocked he didn’t use the Thrive defense. He was wearing too patches at once when you should only wear one. Plus, the web site has no ingredients mentioned on it’s site.

by Anonymousreply 14December 29, 2018 6:14 PM

*two

by Anonymousreply 15December 29, 2018 6:14 PM

[quote]He knew the neighbor was videotaping his house, so why kill them there? It's mind boggling how dumb he was.

I've never contemplated killing anyone so it's kind of hard to put oneself in the mindset of CW (or any killer), but in order to ACTUALLY carry out the deed, you would think that the killer's senses are at heightened levels but the killer could also be like an automaton, in a trance-like state. Hence, completely oblivious to neighbour's camera.

by Anonymousreply 16December 29, 2018 6:36 PM

I think I remember that too, r8.

by Anonymousreply 17December 29, 2018 6:44 PM

First of all, in this video, Shanann has very obviously had veneers put on her teeth. Her teeth are STRIKINGLY different. Chris appears to have had his teeth whitened, but Shanann has that look of "my teeth now feel too big for my mouth."

Veneers cost at least $500/tooth. WHERE were they coming up with the cash? Seriously, this does not add up. He was taking home about $4000/month tops. They paid $25,000 last year for PRE-SCHOOL. $36,000/year in mortgage payments. A house full of lularoe bullshit that cost a mint. Totally ugly furniture that nevertheless cost a bundle. Medical bills for non-existent health problems. A basement full of organized crap.

WHERE were they getting the money? They had no credit. They were 3 years out of a bankruptcy. Even if they used their kids for credit cards (and note that the cops photographed the contents of Shanann's purse and wallet, and those photos were NOT in the document dumps), there is no way they were able to use credit cards to pay for all of this shit.

What was Shanann doing to spend, spend, spend? She was hardly earning anything from LeVel. It makes no sense!

Was there another scam that has not yet been reported on, similar to the tire king BS in North Carolina?

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by Anonymousreply 18December 29, 2018 6:47 PM

Well, according to the fraus in the FB groups, Shanann’s LUPUS prevented her from fighting back. This is precisely the kind of enabling that allows these malingerers to get away with their bullshit.

So she could drag her ass all over the Le-Vel conference whilst pregnant, but she couldn’t fight for her LIFE because of her lupus?

by Anonymousreply 19December 29, 2018 6:50 PM

The babies fought back.

by Anonymousreply 20December 29, 2018 6:51 PM

What was with all the DP googling by Nikki? Did she and Chris talk about getting with another guy?

by Anonymousreply 21December 29, 2018 6:57 PM

I wish there was definitive evidence of how much SW earned pushing Thrive.

It is weird CW never thought of blaming it all on Thrive. Bet he’s kicking himself now.

by Anonymousreply 22December 29, 2018 6:58 PM

Chris might not have known about the neighbor's camera.

Even so, he should have come up with some sort of plan that would leave the benefit of doubt. Then, if no bodies are found, you don't confess and you lawyer up, your chances are pretty good, even with a mistress in the wings. And I will bet some good defense attorney would have taken the case just for the publicity

by Anonymousreply 23December 29, 2018 7:13 PM

He’s a dumbass.

by Anonymousreply 24December 29, 2018 7:18 PM

He knew about the neighbor's camera -- in detail in fact. He claimed that his truck was vandalized a few weeks before the murders, and that his tools were stolen from the truck. So he asked his neighbor for a night's tape, so he could check to see if he could see the burglary. In fact, he was casing the tape. Trying to figure out what he could do to evade detailed imaging on the tape.

by Anonymousreply 25December 29, 2018 7:26 PM

Interesting, r25. Didn't seem to have learned how to use it to his advantage, though.

by Anonymousreply 26December 29, 2018 7:29 PM

Major Dumbass now, r26.

by Anonymousreply 27December 29, 2018 7:48 PM

“I picture them in a hole” — neighbor’s psychic kid interviewed by police.

by Anonymousreply 28December 29, 2018 7:49 PM

He thought he was being soooo smart (measuring volume displacement with the doll, checking the tape for viewing angles, sending Shanann pix of chicken breasts rather than sleeping kids.....) but did everything in a half-assed way. He was completely thrown for a loop when it turned out Cece's tank only had oil enough to be 1.5 feet deep. The volume calculations were a moot point. The video may not have captured him loading the bodies but they DID show no one could get in or out without being seen. Therefore those bodies had to have gotten out of that house in that truck. The pix? Those chicken pix defined the murder of the kids' time window.

Hubris, Chris. Look it up.

by Anonymousreply 29December 29, 2018 9:51 PM

What would CW’s life had looked like if he had just gotten divorced from Shannan and moved into an apartment. Would he be so strapped for cash paying child and spousal support to Shannan he could not afford a new life or even new family with NK? Is this why he saw no other option?

by Anonymousreply 30December 29, 2018 10:26 PM

"Those chicken pix defined the murder of the kids' time window "

What chicken pix?

by Anonymousreply 31December 29, 2018 10:57 PM

R30 Shanann would have bled him dry with child support and alimony demands and he knew it. He would be permanently broke and have no life, especially with a third kid on the way. He was trapped and desperate.

by Anonymousreply 32December 29, 2018 11:09 PM

Not that kind of chicken, R31.

Chicken breasts he grilled for their dinners. Dinners the girls never ate. Probably fell asleep from the opiate overdoses after chatting with Shanann's parents.

by Anonymousreply 33December 29, 2018 11:11 PM

The kids had pizza for dinner. Chris was seen outside grilling by a neighbor who thought it was odd that the kids were not outside with him.

by Anonymousreply 34December 29, 2018 11:17 PM

Chris was on the hook for the mortgage payments, the house was in both their names so Shanann could have refused to sell and he would have been up a creek. If Shanann had actually been successful with Thrive, I think she would have been down for a divorce and would have wanted to move on from Chris' blue collar ass. I think they both grew to hate each other but were so obsessed with image that they did not want to admit they were poor and in a shitty marriage.

Sadly, Thrive came out unscathed in this whole mess, they should have been brought down for selling lies to desperate people. You cannot "fake it till you make it", it is all a big scam that encourages women to lie to their husbands about bills so they can buy more Thrive and make more money for the CEO's of the company.

by Anonymousreply 35December 29, 2018 11:26 PM

That THRIVE tasting video upthread is ridiculous.

I eat really healthy food , but sometimes, I want chocolate or ice cream or pie, or cake. So guess what? I eat it! Why would I want to eat something that tastes like something that I really want? Just eat whatever it is you crave, and continue working out, and eating healthy stuff 99% of the time. There is nothing wrong with eating sugar, if you almost never ever eat sugar.

Interesting that Lenny Kravitz was doing a private performance for THRIVE associates that evening. Katy Perry also performed for LuLaRoe associates.

The people at the top of these schemes are making HUGE money. How much does it cost to get Katy Perry or Lenny Kravitz on stage for a private performance?

by Anonymousreply 36December 29, 2018 11:53 PM

I’m surprised that Thrive got away with everything it did. But, didn’t Shanann do well with that company? I believe they paid their car payment.

by Anonymousreply 37December 29, 2018 11:54 PM

OMG, that car thing was a total hooking scam. It was a lease, not a payment. They make the offer to pay the lease payment, ut you hve to kep your monthly sales at a particular level. Almost no one can. Because people get bored nd sick of that very pricey shit. So THEN, these poor suckers are on the hook for a lease payment they cannot afford.

Yet another LeVel nightmare from hell.

by Anonymousreply 38December 30, 2018 12:03 AM

They were both over the top spenders.

by Anonymousreply 39December 30, 2018 12:13 AM

If they had gotten divorced, they would have worked out an equitable financial settlement. It's not as if Shanaan could "bleed him dry" of money he didn't have. The court would certainly have ordered the house sold unless Shanaan could somehow have paid Chris his share of the equity, if any, and then have covered the mortgage payment. It would have been interesting to see how much income she was actually making. I would bet little to nothing if Thrive was her only source. The judge might also have ordered Chris to cover expenses for a few months until she got a salaried job. Denver has a low unemployment rate right now, so she would have been able to come up with something. If she was the custodial parent, he would obviously pay her child support. Shanaan would probably have had to move in with someone, as they did before, to make ends meet, at least for a while.

by Anonymousreply 40December 30, 2018 12:39 AM

Agree with R40. Chris wasn’t trapped at all.

by Anonymousreply 41December 30, 2018 12:41 AM

After a divorce, I think he'd have been OK financially. Even if he gave up half his pay towards alimony and support, he could rent a small apartment and still have more spending money in his pocket than he had when he was married to Shanann. He could have moved into an apartment with Nichole and split the rent and utilities. Combined, they'd have a lot of spending money because Nichole's paycheck would be more steady than Shanann's multi-level marketing scams. Also, Nichole seemed like a lower-maintenance woman who wasn't so obsessed with materialism and keeping up with the Joneses.

If he were smart--and decent--he'd be in that apartment right now. I think he was afraid of what everyone would think of him for leaving his wife, when she was sick (mystery illnesses) and pregnant. Shanann would likely send out tons of messages--to her hundreds of Facebook friends (including her family, his family, their neighbors, and probably some of Chris' coworkers)--about how he abandoned her. Once she no longer cared about upholding the charade of the "perfect couple", what dark or embarrassing secrets would she release?

Eventually, she'd have gotten over the shock. And then her next steps would have made great content for her social media: "Hi y'all, I'm thrivin' on my own." #risefromtheashes #startingover #lifejourney.

by Anonymousreply 42December 30, 2018 1:10 AM

No, R42, she would have required a ton of money to get a total body make-over so she could attract some hormone obsessed senior citizen who would support her lifestyle. She'd probably realize the days of finding someone "malleable" were in her past. It was time she, for a while at least, become the docile sex kitten. Even if she managed that, her days of attracting a Trumpian idiot were waning, but fast.

by Anonymousreply 43December 30, 2018 1:15 AM

Chris was a Trump supporter?

by Anonymousreply 44December 30, 2018 1:17 AM

Not sure, but i'd bet yes R44.

Perusing the initial evidentiary videos. Gotta say, Scooby Nickole is one of the most..... unfortunate looking women I have evper seen in my life. She makes all those other heifer frauen look positively waif-like. The only person more hideous in these films is her appalling son.

Also, gotta say, that baby-sitter? She sounds UNBELIEVABLY stupid! Is this the latest teen-aged girl affectation? To talk in baby-talk? No way I would leave her in charge of kids. Jesus.

by Anonymousreply 45December 30, 2018 1:37 AM

I don’t think Shanann was this horrible person. She seemed reasonable. When Chris said “we weren’t compatible anymore” she wanted to get compatible. She told her friend he wouldn’t tell her how they could get compatible when she ask him.

by Anonymousreply 46December 30, 2018 1:48 AM

Did you read the letter she wrote to him, R46? Yeah, she sounds reasonable when she says "Let'sget counseling. Let'swork on this." At one point she even says ""I know I am controlling. I can work on that."

BUT THEN. She says "I can work on my relationship with your parents. But they have to respect me and our kids. It is one thing to not come to the birthday party, but they have got to respect me. Us. This is about our children's LIVES"

She was NOT willing to give in. She was the type of person who refused to back down, who insisted on being in the right all of the time, even when she was wrong. She excused irrational behavior with statements like "I am OCD", turning obsessive-compulsive behavior into a cleanliness virtue.

I would have to disagree with you. I think Shanann was not a good reasonable person. She was simply not willing to be empathetic. To Chris, to his family, even to her own family of origin. She was appallingly selfish, in my view.

by Anonymousreply 47December 30, 2018 2:33 AM

I don’t know that much, R47. You may be right. But, maybe she was working towards getting better. Admitting that you’re controlling is huge in my opinion. Maybe the empathy would come next. I know controlling people who would never admit anything about negative themselves—ever. It seemed like a step in the right direction. But, you could very well be right.

by Anonymousreply 48December 30, 2018 2:38 AM

I think is really sad how Chris messed up and now has to spend the rest of his life in prison.

by Anonymousreply 49December 30, 2018 3:05 AM

I feel bad for everyone. I think Thrive made him nuts.

by Anonymousreply 50December 30, 2018 3:07 AM

Can someone explain the chicken breast story and how it's relevant? I'm only getting glimpses from this thread.

by Anonymousreply 51December 30, 2018 4:04 AM

What CW did was so outside the ability for most folks to comprehend much less imagine. CW was a supposedly responsible adult and should AT LEAST have gone to the marriage counselling sessions if only to get the necessary tools and strategies to deal with his own issues. No, I don't feel sad for the guy.

by Anonymousreply 52December 30, 2018 4:05 AM

R51, when Shanann was in Arizona Sunday night she had asked Chris to send her photos of the kids. He sent her a photo of the chicken he had grilled instead. One of the neighbors saw him outside grilling late afternoon / early evening and thought it was strange that the kids were not outside with him, as they usually were with him when he grilled. This leads to the speculation that the girls were killed before Shanann arrived back home early Monday morning.

by Anonymousreply 53December 30, 2018 1:13 PM

Wow, R53. Huh.

by Anonymousreply 54December 30, 2018 1:16 PM

Thrive and NK were in big and small ways accessories (?) to this crime and they both got away free.

by Anonymousreply 55December 30, 2018 1:54 PM

R55, that’s how I see it, too

He didn’t get a lawyer, and a lawyer would have made those points for him. There could have been reasonable doubt and shared culpability.

Oh well. I’m not mad he’s in prison forever. But I’d like to see Thrive taken down. And I suppose NK is getting punished as well.

by Anonymousreply 56December 30, 2018 2:06 PM

I see it that way too.

by Anonymousreply 57December 30, 2018 2:09 PM

Thrive is caffeine patches, yes?

by Anonymousreply 58December 30, 2018 2:10 PM

The whole time, Thrive was probably lawyering up, holding their breath waiting for the subpoena.

This case really got their name out there. I wonder what has been the result of the new level of awareness. Did it boost sales (more "salespeople" joining and buying crap to store in their garage)? Or did it encourage some salespeople to leave the scam?

by Anonymousreply 59December 30, 2018 2:16 PM

It wouldn’t surprise me if people signed up in memory/honor of Shanann.

by Anonymousreply 60December 30, 2018 2:17 PM

[quote]I think is really sad how Chris messed up and now has to spend the rest of his life in prison.

Failing to file your income taxes on time is messing up. Murdering your family isn't on quite the same level.

by Anonymousreply 61December 30, 2018 2:21 PM

His lawyers really stunk. He was on a drug that made him stay awake for nights at a night and he would fall alsleep in mid conversation with people.

by Anonymousreply 62December 30, 2018 2:23 PM

Wisconsin is kinda out of the way, why couldn't they have left him in Colorado? It would be easier to visit him there.

by Anonymousreply 63December 30, 2018 4:05 PM

Wasn’t it for safety reasons R63?

by Anonymousreply 64December 30, 2018 4:07 PM

No, it was to get him away fro Governor Hickenlooper's free-wheeling pardon pen.

by Anonymousreply 65December 30, 2018 4:08 PM

I agree that I want to see LeVel go down and NK too. In fact, especially vocal-frying brain-dead NK. And if Scooby Nickole could go down somehow, I'd enjoy that tons too. Along with her hideous asshole 16 year old son.

by Anonymousreply 66December 30, 2018 4:10 PM

What’s up with her son?

by Anonymousreply 67December 30, 2018 4:12 PM

R63, who do you expect to visit him?

by Anonymousreply 68December 30, 2018 4:22 PM

[quote]And if Scooby Nickole could go down somehow, I'd enjoy that tons too. Along with her hideous asshole 16 year old son.

What exactly have they done wrong?

by Anonymousreply 69December 30, 2018 4:24 PM

Did a search on Thrive and found this not so surprising comment:

"My daughter told me about the latest health fad among her group of acquaintances. She knows people who are spending $300 a month on the THRIVE program and claiming miraculous results. With a skeptic for a mother, my daughter knew enough to question the claims and do her own research; she was not impressed. She concluded that THRIVE was essentially selling caffeine and vitamins at exorbitant prices."

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by Anonymousreply 70December 30, 2018 4:26 PM

There are people posting here who are upset that he did not get away with murder, correct? To those folks, I am curious as to why you feel that way.

by Anonymousreply 71December 30, 2018 4:28 PM

More about Thrive:

The products contain caffeine in several forms: guarana, green coffee bean, green tea, white tea; these are listed as part of a proprietary blend, and the total amount of caffeine is not divulged. If this mixture actually has any effect beyond producing expensive urine, I would guess it might be similar to the effect of drinking a couple of cups of coffee.

And of course, “These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease”

by Anonymousreply 72December 30, 2018 4:30 PM

I saw a bunch of stupid fraus saying they would try the Thrive Experience because of Shanann, the dumb ones who think Shanann was super successful with it and Chris was threatened by her success. Her mother took over her downline and that nutty Jersey youtube lady was giving out the information for it.

If people really wanted to honor Shanann, they would steer clear of Thrive and living a fake life on social media. If Chris hadn't killed her, they would have still been in an impossible financial situation and a lifetime of paying off debts.

by Anonymousreply 73December 30, 2018 4:48 PM

Hey look at me. I’m irreverent. I think dead kids are amusing. I’m so edgy. I don’t conform! I’m so special.

Sickos, the lot.

by Anonymousreply 74December 30, 2018 4:51 PM

No. Not wishing to see him get away with murder. However, wishing to see due process. Clever police work is admirable, but this guy was at the low end of normal intelligence. They were planning on going for the death penalty and he had never even seen a decent attorney at that point! It was all ridiculously rushed, which gives it a whiff of corruption. Large corporate interests escape culpability in the deaths of a woman and children, by conveniently fixing blame on idiotic psychopathic father. Bigger picture never filled in, big money interests never defined. Would like to see MORE than just Chris Watts be brought to justice here.

In terms of Scooby Nickole and her asshole son, they (more he than she) were clearly acting with a certain amount of gleeful zealousness in "getting to the bottom of this", to the point of violating CW's civil rights. He did NOT have to let them in his house and they did not request permission to enter (as the cops quite rightfully did). They acted so entitled, which is the very definition of an asshole. They acted with a presumption of guilt, nd that should not have been allowed. A good attorney might even have sued them.

There are rules and NO ONE in this case seemed to abide by them or honor them.

by Anonymousreply 75December 30, 2018 4:51 PM

And yes, LeVel HAS had a bounce from all of this. And who has prominently increased her profit margins? That's right, Scooby. In fact her FB page looks like the reincarnation of Shanann's page now.

Sickening. those co-CEOs of LeVel ought to be rotting in the prison cells next to CW's.

by Anonymousreply 76December 30, 2018 4:55 PM

Chris was doped up on all that caffeine. He was wearing 200 patches at once.

by Anonymousreply 77December 30, 2018 5:39 PM

They should, R76.

by Anonymousreply 78December 30, 2018 5:39 PM

You guys are not seeing it! It was the mistress’ evil jezebel spirit causing him to kill! That poor man never stood a chance against her evil manipulative jezebel ways!

by Anonymousreply 79December 30, 2018 6:14 PM

R53 holy shnikes. He shouldn't have been allowed to plead guilty without divulging the full complete details of when and how everything happened, every detail. He owes that to Shannan's family. He's such a pussy it wouldn't have been that difficult for the detectives to get the details out of him.

by Anonymousreply 80December 30, 2018 6:38 PM

I recently made the drive up to Loveland, CO to see some disappointing Christmas display. On the way, I passed through Frederick. What a miserable, Deplorable place! Oil drills everywhere, including next to housing developments. The big box houses are clumped together with almost no landscaping, no parks or green spaces. Everyone has big trucks and I saw a few Trump stickers. No stores or restaurants apart from truck stop type convenience stores and a Mc Donald's. It felt a world away from Denver. The whole Northern Colorado area feels more like Wyoming than Colorado.

by Anonymousreply 81December 30, 2018 7:03 PM

Well according to Chris Watts they are planning to build a battery of oil tanks directly across the street from his and Shanann's house. SOuns more aand more likely.

by Anonymousreply 82December 30, 2018 7:14 PM

R80 I don't think they cared about anything after learning CW killed them and where he hid the bodies. The cops and the DA got what they wanted and didn't seem interested in digging for more details. Why didn't the cops question NK about her 2017 searches on SW? Why weren't they concerned about the financial situation? There are a lot of unanswered questions. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like anyone with authority cares. I would love to know the whole truth about what happened in that house.

by Anonymousreply 83December 30, 2018 7:15 PM

By the way, the Frederick town motto? "Built on What Matters."

Irony.

by Anonymousreply 84December 30, 2018 7:16 PM

What a motto^.

by Anonymousreply 85December 30, 2018 7:21 PM

Wouldn’t CW have had to have gotten or been appointed a death penalty qualified attorney if he’d opted for a trial?

by Anonymousreply 86December 30, 2018 7:23 PM

I would imagine. But I was watching the video of Chris and his father where CW is confessing to the crime. And his dad says, "Are you familiar with this area? Can you recommend a lawyer?" And they quickly change the subject.

CW was more than a little rail-roaded.

by Anonymousreply 87December 30, 2018 7:29 PM

R87, I think so, too. And regardless of her role in the case, they used his boner for NK to manipulate him. I’m sure they let him know that if he went to trial, they’d seek the death penalty and drag his girlfriend through the mud and maybe even prosecute her for something.

He knew he couldn’t afford a good attorney anyway.

by Anonymousreply 88December 30, 2018 7:36 PM

Casey Anthony knew she couldn't afford a good attorney either. She got Jose Baez ---- admittedly not a good attorney. But better than public defenders. And CW's public defenders were the mmost pathetic excuses for attorneys I have ever seen in my life.

I think his other would have mortgaged the house to get him an attorney. His father seemed ready and willing. Not sure what was going on behind the scenes.

by Anonymousreply 89December 30, 2018 7:39 PM

Oh, and when the DA said they showed Cindy Watts and Ronnie Watts the evidence in the case, I think what they did was show them the bodies. That would have been enough to shut them up forever.

by Anonymousreply 90December 30, 2018 7:40 PM

And just to reiterate, I loathe and despise Scooby and her son. Those two are beneath contempt. Heroes my ass. I suspect we'll see Scooby with a complete make-over a la Mama June, so she can step into Shanann's shoes as the spokes model for LeVel. Cuz you know, Shanann would have wanted it that way.

Disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 91December 30, 2018 7:43 PM

I think this story is far from over. I think writers are sensing the simmering fascination (look at all the new youtube channels). And it ll comes back to money Little money (the Wattses), and Big Money (oil batteries being built destroying whole communities, driving people into bankruptcy, real estate people swooping in and buying worthless property cheap, renting it out for yet more energy ventures. How much money would Wyndham Estates be worth in oil leases if those houses were razed (at a profit to the banks)? Anadarko just spent $30million to defeat an initiative that would make it illegal to have oil wells or oil tanks within a mile of a residential area.

At any rate, Nick VanderLeek over at Crime ROcket has published the start of long-awaited examination of the bankruptcies (yes, plural, as in the Wtts' and the Rzucek's). Here is an excellent preliminary post.

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by Anonymousreply 92December 30, 2018 7:58 PM

I was just about to post about that blog, here he talks about the MLM scam and also points out that Nickole A. was bragging about getting a Tesla and being able to quit her job, but in reality was driving around in an old Mazda and working at a nursing home. Thrive is about selling a lifestyle, one you have to fork out $300 a month for and is built on lies.

[quote]An argument can be made that Shan’ann started losing her life before she died. That she was so caught up in something, it swallowed her up, and encouraged the swallowing up and wholesale consumption of others, so that while this was happening, she was blinded to not one, by many obvious realities.

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by Anonymousreply 93December 30, 2018 8:06 PM

Exactly, R93, so much so that I have to wonder if even subconsciously, Scooby was inserting herself into this situation for the attention it would bring her.

by Anonymousreply 94December 30, 2018 8:24 PM

R91, I have a lot of contempt for Scooby Nickole, too! Granted, she’s the reason a murderer is in jail, so she gets credit for that.

But I’m not buying that she just loved Shanann so much and wanted to help her, etc. I can guarantee that Shanann treated her like a personal assistant and Nickole just took it, because Shanann was her boss. And Scooby was relishing the gossip about their marriage and secretly gloating. And then when Sham went missing, her nosy ass knew there was some juicy drama brewing. I’m trying to think of what character she reminds me of... all those Thrive cunts USED each other shamelessly. They weren’t good friends.

by Anonymousreply 95December 30, 2018 8:33 PM

R92, I hope you’re right! I’m especially fascinated with the Nichol Kessinger thing. I think there is a LOT more there, wheeling and dealing with the DA.

R94, I don’t even understand why scooby had to be in involved at all, that day. Supposedly she was going to watch the kids while Shanann had her appointment. But the kids were supposed to be having their first day of school. Maybe it was a half day and Shanann wouldn’t be able to pick them up on time? And unless you’re having an invasive procedure and sedative, why does a friend need to come to a doctor appointment? What a needy drama queen. Most of us just can handle going to appointments alone.

by Anonymousreply 96December 30, 2018 8:43 PM

AND Scooby was a newlywed and had a young daughter. You’d think she had enough going on in her life and wouldn’t need Shanann’s drama.

But I guess it never hurts to brownnose the boss.

by Anonymousreply 97December 30, 2018 8:47 PM

r81 - Did a random google map search of a street in Frederick and found an eerily similar (and funny) photo of a guy perched on a humongous industrial lawn mower cutting a tiny patch of quasi-dried grass.

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by Anonymousreply 98December 30, 2018 9:04 PM

^ That photo is the best part of this thread so far.

by Anonymousreply 99December 30, 2018 9:15 PM

Scooby told the detectives, during her interview, that the day before they went to Arizona, Scooby went over to Shanann's house and talked to her about the state of her marriage. Shanann told her she was going to go out and mow the lawn, in an effort to impress Chris. It was an extremely hot August day. Scooby told her, "No, I am not going to let you mow the lawn!" So she went out and mowed the lawn.

Scooby has some serious issues going on here. Either she is an unparalleled kiss-up or she has self-esteem issues. This is not normal behavior for a morbidly obese Frau.

by Anonymousreply 100December 30, 2018 11:00 PM

Shanann was the cool kid on the block. Scooby wanted to impress her. It’s high school. They all seemed emotionally young.

by Anonymousreply 101December 30, 2018 11:33 PM

Oh my god, r100, you know a lot! I love it

If Shamann hadn’t been killed, she’d have regretted relying so much on Scooby and confiding so much to her. I know Scooby would have been throwing that in Shanann’s face at some point. I know how those fat girls are. They can’t wait for the pretty girl’s downfall.

I still don’t understand how she even had time to be one of Shanann’s handmaidens, because she has (at least) two kids, a new husband and a job.

by Anonymousreply 102December 30, 2018 11:34 PM

Apparently, the day they flew to Arizona, Scooby worked the overnight shift at the nursing home. Left the nursing home and went over to pick Shanann up, who was already waiting for her on the front porch. The infamous front porch.

I think Scooby had her bags with her. Suggests to me that Scooby was double-patching too, as that requires a hell of a lot of caffeine.

I cannot help but wonder, if there had never been any of this thrive bullshit in their lives, would any of this have happened? Would Chris still have gone homicidal maniac? I kind of doubt it. Which makes me wonder. Just how many times has this happened? I doubt very much this was as rare an anomaly as the LeVel CEOs would have us believe. They are averaging approximately $500 million a year in sales. That comes to approximately 1.5 million paid months of product. There are an almost equal number of months that are not paid for. So conservatively, 2.5 million months of this crap. So let's say about 200,000 Thrive users/year. This has been going on for at least 6 years. In all that time, with all that caffeine and other stimulants going out..... on top of MLM marketing stress and only Chris Watts lost his mind?

by Anonymousreply 103December 30, 2018 11:55 PM

I can’t imagine all that caffeine is good.

by Anonymousreply 104December 30, 2018 11:58 PM
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by Anonymousreply 105December 31, 2018 12:01 AM

Also in those patches are DMSO and forskolin. Forskolin is used in the laboratory setting as a research tool. It activates second messenger signaling, by increasing AC (adenylate cyclase) which results in increased levels of cAMP. And THAT leads to increased levels of testosterone, especially in overweight men.

NK said CW didn't need more than a couple of hours of sleep per night and she told him he had to let her sleep as she needed to be able to work.

If anyone can gain access to LeVel's records, I would bet there is a shitload of scandal buried in there.

by Anonymousreply 106December 31, 2018 12:19 AM

They lived in Weld County which went for Trump.

by Anonymousreply 107December 31, 2018 12:20 AM

Well let's be honest, Hillary was pro-Big-Oil too, so you can't really say "big Oil, therefore Trump supporters". Still, all other things being equal, I am guessing Chris and his pals were Trump supporters. NK, though, strikes me as at least mildly Indian print skirts and granola. I could see her being a Hillary supporter, and therefore, Chris may have recently switched allegiances.

by Anonymousreply 108December 31, 2018 12:28 AM

Interesting take on NK from that true crime blog.

One of the comments was particularly good at getting to the root of the over-the-top hatred of NK.

[quote]Nichol Kessinger is a modern day Hester Prynne banished to the wilderness (I.e., the witness protection identity-stripping gulag) for committing adultery. But Hester’s and Nichol’s real sin is violating the marriage fantasy, which promotes love between two people married under God as eternal, inviolate. According to this romantic principle, women achieve a sort of sainthood through marriage, whereby furtive fornication is, in allegiance to this country’s Puritanical roots, dignified by the purposeful production of children, the purchasing of homes, cars, and other consumer goods— all signs that one is blessed, God’s chosen. That an interloper like Nichol, who covets the very same marital fantasy, can disrupt a seemingly well-oiled marital machine like the Watts’s is anathema to all of the women who have literally and figuratively bought into it—economically and emotionally. It’s no wonder then that Nichol is the object of so much rage, which is really misplaced fear and doubt about the instituiton itself.

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by Anonymousreply 109December 31, 2018 12:44 AM

I can see that R108.

by Anonymousreply 110December 31, 2018 12:47 AM

[quote]NK said CW didn't need more than a couple of hours of sleep per night and she told him he had to let her sleep as she needed to be able to work.

CW was so horned up plus the caffeine.

by Anonymousreply 111December 31, 2018 12:51 AM

He loved the taste of her “booty”.

by Anonymousreply 112December 31, 2018 12:53 AM

He's a monster who killed his own children and their mother with his bare hands.

Those that feel any kind of sympathy and lust for him are sick fucks, full stop.

by Anonymousreply 113December 31, 2018 1:03 AM

R113, how very novel! Thank you for that completely original point of view! Why, what WOULD we have done without your posting it?

R109, that was an excellent quote. I think it's spot on.

by Anonymousreply 114December 31, 2018 1:27 AM

[quote]Which makes me wonder. Just how many times has this happened?

This is the second murder on Shanann's team that is known about, the first was Missy Bevers in 2016. They never found her killer, the husband was conveniently on a fishing trip but the FIL looked very suspicious, it was definitely someone who knew her. She also had a big social media presence and hid serious financial troubles that only came out after her death. The husband has said he is done looking for her killer.

I don't think it's so much the caffeine, but the promise of wealth only to be followed by greater financial hardship that stresses these guys out, they are using hard core brainwashing techniques to get these people to put Thrive above all else, and eventually something has to give.

Thrive really should be held accountable for scamming desperate people, it's sick that Shanann's death is helping their sales and you have idiots like r113 who dismiss any arguments as lust for Chris, probably a Thriver.

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by Anonymousreply 115December 31, 2018 2:15 AM

Forget that THRIVE bullshit, just being uner constant surveillance by the neighbors would be enough to make me snap.

Why the fuck was Scooby filming their house 24/7?

Any halfway decent defense attorney would have taken this info along with the THRIVE addiction and laid a terrific case for a psychotic break from reality.

That said, CW was a nasty bastard. Not only taking a shit on his kid's grave but I read he also ate his dandruff or something. Or blew snot rockets. Gross!

by Anonymousreply 116December 31, 2018 2:16 AM

He eats his boogers. Disgusting piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 117December 31, 2018 2:24 AM

R109, the Watts marriage was so far from being a well-oiled machine. No marriage is perfect, but that shit was woefully unsustainable.

I can understand women being suspicious of Nichol. She googled Shanann a year before the murders. I had a friend who targeted married men. Or, rather, their wives. She would get with a married man but all she ever talked about was how fat/stupid/psycho his wife was. Back to Nichol: I defended her until the discovery came out, and her lies were exposed.

If people can’t see what a scheming liar Nichol was, that’s too bad. Hope they don’t run into one.

by Anonymousreply 118December 31, 2018 2:27 AM

Oh, fuck off, r113. There have been numerous posts/threads that are dedicated to lusting after him, so don't act like it's some anomaly.

by Anonymousreply 119December 31, 2018 2:31 AM

Chris is definitely hot. If I was on the jury, I could never vote to convict him, knowing it would mean life in prison or the death penalty.

by Anonymousreply 120December 31, 2018 2:43 AM

[quote]Chris is definitely hot. If I was on the jury, I could never vote to convict him, knowing it would mean life in prison or the death penalty.

This is a joke, right? A satire of the frauen who are sending him love letters in prison?

by Anonymousreply 121December 31, 2018 2:58 AM

Did Nikki play stupid about not knowing about Shanann? I’m trying to understand why she googled Shanann in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 122December 31, 2018 3:00 AM

I don’t think so, R121.

by Anonymousreply 123December 31, 2018 3:05 AM

You're probably right, R123. There are some very sad people posting on the Chris Watts threads.

by Anonymousreply 124December 31, 2018 3:07 AM

Scooby was filming their house 24/7? Really? Did she say why?

When I was looking into whether or not other MLM things had resulted in murder, I was stunned to discover how many MLM ventures there are in the world. Just jewelry alone is stunning. They are always things that promise a lifestyle: jewelry, make-up, perfume, vitamins/caffeine. If there are 20 million direct sales people in the US (a conservative estimate), that means 1 out of 15 people is selling this shit. Also makes it obvious that there are not enough of the rest of us to sustin these pyramid schemes. That so many people are desperate to buy in to them is an indication of how bad our gig economy really is.

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by Anonymousreply 125December 31, 2018 3:41 AM

Someone pasted this link in an earlier Watts thread. John Oliver does a great job pointing out and describing some of the tricks of these scams.

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by Anonymousreply 126December 31, 2018 4:57 AM

I don’t know if this is true in real life, but on crime shows when there is a pair of serial killers, one is always the alpha and the other the beta. They have a strong (unhealthy) bond, with the beta swearing unquestioning loyalty to the alpha.

This is how I imagine SW and Scooby’s relationship to be. The story of Scooby mowing the lawn for SW really illustrates it well. It also explains her frantic need to find SW the morning she disappeared. It wasn’t out of love or even fear- she literally couldn’t function without SW telling her what to do. She HAD to find SW at all costs. That’s why she barged into the house and led the charge in the early part of the investigation.

by Anonymousreply 127December 31, 2018 5:00 AM

Nickole driving her all over to the airport and her appointments was a bit much, too. I bet Shanann made her drive her everywhere so she didn't have to pay for gas, Scooby is the type to never ask for gas money or money for all her time, even though she had her own family and a real job outside of Thrive.

by Anonymousreply 128December 31, 2018 5:08 AM

BUMP!

So glad there is a part 2 to “CW in Wisconsin”/a Chris Watts case continuation thread!

The other one was maxed out at 600 and this new one was not linked in there; I found it through the DL search function...

by Anonymousreply 129December 31, 2018 5:43 AM

Did Nikki play stupid about not knowing about Shanann? I’m trying to understand why she googled Shanann in the first place.

THIS ⤴

by Anonymousreply 130December 31, 2018 5:53 AM

We should start a new thread: "Let's be Chris Watts' mistress in the Witness Protection Program."

I'm the concrete block walls in the fleabag motel where she'll be living for the foreseeable future.

by Anonymousreply 131December 31, 2018 5:57 AM

I think the serial killers that are alpha and beta are CW and NK. I laughed when I realized the poster describing that dynamic was referring to SW and Scooby! These people were ALL pathological.

I looked up the rules of Witness Protection. I think the real reason they put NK into the program was so they could give her an income for the next several years. She was 1. not a criminal, 2. did not testify, 3. was not required to achieve a conviction, and 4. had no ties to organized crime. There was no real reason for her to be in that program except for the fact that she was fired and too notorious to secure employment. From what I could tell on those tapes, she supplied them with NOTHING that was useful. They must have used her as leverage against Watts. In Witness Protection, she can receive as much as a million bucks over the next several years and even plastic surgery would be covered. Previously protected individuals got breast implants, for example.

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by Anonymousreply 132December 31, 2018 6:08 AM

Bump!

by Anonymousreply 133December 31, 2018 9:06 AM

I wonder the same thing, R1...

by Anonymousreply 134December 31, 2018 9:08 AM

R75, true. However, Chris ALLOWED THEM TO RUN ALL OVER HIM AND HIS RIGHTS. He and only he is responsible for how this was paced and how it developed.

Let’s chat about this. The minute Nickole Atkinson set foot on his property, he should have asked her to leave.

Her suspicions regarding her friend’s disappearance already put Chris in an uncomfortable and vulnerable position, but in all earnestness and in the spirit of due process, let’s also admit that CW fucked himself royally the minute he decided to murder someone, and actually took first kill.

CW’s inability to think logically is not protected by the law. His lack of boundaries, and his inability to say no, or his inability to call upon his rights and enact them, is also not unlawful. He is not a minor, nor does he appear to legally demonstrate stupidity as a learning disability. Hence, the story unfolded as it did.

While I find Nickole Atkinson to be a nosy, overbearing shrew, Chris allowed it all to develop as it did.

This is not my opinion regarding his guilt. He is guilty, and he is in the right place for his specific crime.

That all said, external forces are designed to favor exploitation and corruption. But that actually is not what happened here. What happened here is that a criminal did not choose to seek competent legal representation from the moment that anyone else would have. Especially people who are innocent, and have no problem drawing appropriate boundaries, such as telling people to get the fuck off their property.

Had Chris had nothing to hide, perhaps he might have done so. Had Chris been an experienced criminal, perhaps he might have done so. But he didn’t, and in the end, that’s on him.

by Anonymousreply 135December 31, 2018 9:50 AM

R122, yes, NK did pretend to investigators that she didn’t know anything about Chris’s marriage. That he told her that his divorce was nearly finalized, that she had only met him in March (or was it May?) and that it wasn’t serious between them.

As Maury would say “THAT WAS A LIE”.

by Anonymousreply 136December 31, 2018 10:00 AM

R71, because there is a villain here, and her name is Shan’ann. She is a woman. This is one of the reasons DJT won.

Set up a story with a villain, and make sure the villain is a woman. The woman will always be despised. The patriarchy ensures it, even when everyone knows the man murdered his children.

There are other reasons, as well, but I believe this is the main one.

by Anonymousreply 137December 31, 2018 10:11 AM

R132, I thought that, too! And then was like, “oh, THAT pair of codependents...” And that is why I cannot let go of this case, even though it’s technically resolved. There are layers and layers of fuckery like I’ve never seen before. Even Casey Anthony’s case didn’t have as many twisted relationships.

I’ve said it before, but... aside from the kids, everyone in this story is just awful.

And don’t get me started on the “Witness Protection”. I’m supposing the media is calling it that, but it’s not actual WP. NK may have needed assistance from LE, like getting an affidavit to present to a judge, justifying a sealed name change (usually they’re public record). Which is fair enough. I absolutely do not believe she’s in an official program where they’ve whisked her away and she’s had plastic surgery and new medical documents and she’s forbidden to contact family and friends. No way.

It’s also possible that LE is working with her so they can keep her under surveillance and be able to find her if they need to arrest her in the future. LE has many sneaky tactics that lull suspects into thinking they’re getting away with something, that police believe their story, etc. I absolutely do not believe that the police who interviewed her fell for her bullshit. Their hands are probably tied, legally, because she lawyered up (as even the dumbest criminals know to do).

by Anonymousreply 138December 31, 2018 10:16 AM

R138 beautifully proves my point: blame a woman.

by Anonymousreply 139December 31, 2018 10:21 AM

R81 went to the town? I just don’t get what is so endlessly fascinating about this.

Does not compute.

by Anonymousreply 140December 31, 2018 10:37 AM

R139

A woman is to BLAME!! As well as CW. Both (A man AND a woman) are complicit in this crime.

by Anonymousreply 141December 31, 2018 11:47 AM

No, no she is not found complicit r141.

by Anonymousreply 142December 31, 2018 12:35 PM

R142, they didn’t bother looking after Chris pled guilty. That’s what the DA said.

She lied repeatedly to investigators. Stonewalled police asking where she was and begged them not to involve “Jim”, who she called from Frederick the morning of the murders.

No wonder she’s in hiding.

by Anonymousreply 143December 31, 2018 1:20 PM

We should have had Scooby and Son investigate NK.

by Anonymousreply 144December 31, 2018 1:23 PM

Did Chris and Nikki plan these murders way in advance hence the googling of Shanann a year ago?

by Anonymousreply 145December 31, 2018 1:23 PM

Like OJ before her, any thinking person with two braun cells knows she had something to do with this crime

by Anonymousreply 146December 31, 2018 1:57 PM

*Brain cells!

by Anonymousreply 147December 31, 2018 1:58 PM

r109 has it right about NK.

Seems the frauen who suspect NK was involved are reeeaaaaallly reaching in their interpretation of the evidence.

Changing her identify and going into hiding is no doubt for her own safety, not because she's guilty of plotting murder, but because the Casey Anthony level frau hate for this woman is chilling. She is probably in danger from psycho frauen, for whom this case hits very close to home if they have shakey marriages and cheating husbands, unleashing their fury on her.

by Anonymousreply 148December 31, 2018 2:13 PM

R148, what gets me is that these people actually believe that LEOs would have let her go on her merry way, had they believed she was an accomplice to a triple homicide.

That’s not how it works, people. If she had helped CW murder his family, she’d also be behind bars.

NK is a fucking IDIOT. She got romantically involved with a psychopath. She was desperate to score a decent looking piece of ass in Nowheresville. That doesn’t mean she killed two children and a pregnant woman.

She is guilty of having horrible judgement, and getting involved with a married man who turned out to be a murderer. That, much to your dismay, is not prosecutable in a court of law.

by Anonymousreply 149December 31, 2018 3:18 PM

The only thing NK could be guilty of is alienation of affection, though Colorado does not have that law in their state. She wanted Shanann and the kids out of the way, she probably figured that because Shanann was in NC for 6 weeks, she would be easy to tell to scram back to NC with the kids for good.

What NK couldn't have known is the extreme dysfunction in that marriage, that Shanann would hold on to Chris at all costs, she never would have allowed Nichol to move on with her husband and have kids of their own. She didn't know Chris well enough to know he had zero backbone and wasn't capable of standing up to his wife, I think he wanted NK, panicked and killed his family because he was terrified to confront Shanann with the truth.

There was an interview with a divorce lawyer who said he met Shanann in March/April at a restaurant with friends and she was asking him about divorce laws in CO with a smirk on her face. I think she couldn't stand Chris much either, but needed him to live her fantasy life Thrivin'.

by Anonymousreply 150December 31, 2018 4:11 PM

So why are you reading this thread R140?

by Anonymousreply 151December 31, 2018 4:36 PM

The woman to blame for this is Cindy Watts for giving birth to this monstrous dumbass.

by Anonymousreply 152December 31, 2018 4:39 PM

You can bet that if NK was black she wouldve been investigated., interrogated and thrown in jail. All I see is female white priviledge!

by Anonymousreply 153December 31, 2018 5:08 PM

There's no woman to blame here. An ass who didn't have the balls to walk away from his shrewish wife thought it would be easier to kill her instead...and he was stupid enough to think he could get away with it.

Sometimes a spouse falls in love with someone outside the marriage. It hurts a lot of people, but it's not the worst thing in the world, as long as he remains civil to his spouse and continues to support his children.

I don't think Nicole K had anything to do with the murder. She was having an affair with a married man, and it appears she was waiting for Chris to divorce his wife so that they could be together. Maybe Nicole even pressured Chris with ultimatums that she would move on if he didn't commit to her, nagging him to file for divorce. Even if he were a recently divorced guy who had cheated on his wife, she'd still have considered him a "catch". But would she want to be with a man who killed his family? Would she want to have kids with a man who had murdered his toddlers? I don't think so.

I don't know why Scooby Nickole is being given such a hard time. Nickole was a loyal friend. Because of Nickole, the police were on Chris' ass within just a few hours (instead of days). She knew something was off, and she took action right away. Chris couldn't stop her and her son from barging into the house; If he kicked out Shannan's friend who was there to help, it would look like he was hiding something.

by Anonymousreply 154December 31, 2018 5:15 PM

“Thrive: Double your Patch. Double your murder”

by Anonymousreply 155December 31, 2018 5:18 PM

Source for NK "lawyering up", please.

by Anonymousreply 156December 31, 2018 8:36 PM

R155 Triple. TRIPLE.

by Anonymousreply 157December 31, 2018 8:37 PM

Double your pleasure, double your fun.

by Anonymousreply 158December 31, 2018 8:44 PM

If you ain't po white trash, you ain't never gonna figger these folks out.

To understand, you must delve into their world and git out of your own high brow mind.

Trash, all of them.

by Anonymousreply 159December 31, 2018 8:48 PM

R156, Nichol’s Denver Post interview was conducted at the office of her lawyer, Ed Hopkins, according to the article. Hopkins specializes in privacy law and libel/slander suits.

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by Anonymousreply 160December 31, 2018 8:50 PM

R160 thanks. So that is why she lied to media. She had no idea then that discovery would go public.

But she never had a lawyer present when lying to LE, correct?

by Anonymousreply 161December 31, 2018 8:53 PM

NK's face is quite asymetric. No beauty in that mug.

Hillbilly trash.

by Anonymousreply 162December 31, 2018 8:55 PM

"I am Soo LITTLE!!!!"

by Anonymousreply 163December 31, 2018 8:56 PM

R161, I believe her father accompanied her to one interview, but was not always present for every time she spoke to police. To my knowledge, there was never a lawyer present when she spoke with police.

by Anonymousreply 164December 31, 2018 10:48 PM

R154, Scooby Nickole was, as always, and above all, USEFUL. This particular time, her nose being up Shanann’s butthole saved the day.

by Anonymousreply 165December 31, 2018 10:53 PM

It’s too bad that Nichol turned out to be such a cunt. When we first heard about her and saw her, she reminded me of a friend of ours. Not fussy, wholesome, down to earth woman who loves the outdoors. Such a contrast to Shanann, I thought. They looked so happy on their camping trip, so aligned in their interests.

And I felt sorry for her. That murderer lied to her about being nearly divorced! What a cad. Of course she didn’t know about the pregnancy and that they were still married.

She turns out to be just as deceitful, bitchy and selfish as Shanann. I guess he liked that.

by Anonymousreply 166December 31, 2018 10:58 PM

So, whatever happened with the gay lover thing? Was that just not true?

by Anonymousreply 167December 31, 2018 11:06 PM

For the 80th time, yes R167, he was full of shit.

by Anonymousreply 168December 31, 2018 11:11 PM

Sorry, this is not one of the ones that I follow regularly, so I missed all discussion of that.

by Anonymousreply 169December 31, 2018 11:18 PM

R169, someone posted the investigators' interview--retrieved from the dump--with this man. .I think it was the last thread (Chris Watts is in Wisconsin, dammit!) The police told pretty much told him that nothing he said was new, he was just giving info that was already public knowledge in the press. The police pretty much told him to stop wasting their time.

by Anonymousreply 170December 31, 2018 11:25 PM

Yes, he was BS. Mental.

by Anonymousreply 171December 31, 2018 11:26 PM

What about Chris’ alleged same sex hookups via various dating apps though (*not* the Trent Bolte guy); I thought law enforcement said that it was true that Chris cheated on Shan’ann with *both* men and women?

Was that not true? If it is true, is it mentioned anywhere in the document dump?

by Anonymousreply 172January 1, 2019 12:34 AM

He wanted to DP Nichol, so I don't think Chris was entirely straight. I wonder who the other guy they wanted to bring in was, she was also googling interracial 3somes so maybe he had a BBC fetish.

by Anonymousreply 173January 1, 2019 12:35 AM

I’m imagining there was a lot of porn and gay porn on Chris’ internet searches (including possible violence porn giving how he wanted to choke that one Tinder hookup)...

But Chris’ computer and phone internet searches were not in the document dumps, right?

by Anonymousreply 174January 1, 2019 12:51 AM

NK: She googled Shanann Watts in the autumn of 2017. By all accounts, she did not meet Chris Watts till spring of 2018. She claimed to not know anything about Shanann, including her name, until Chris told her. Obviously a lie. Obviously, the cops knew that. Why were we not allowed to hear her discussion with them when they confronted her about that? They MUST have confronteis that d her if they really did eliminate the possibility that she was an accomplice. So Mr. DA, where is THAT interview?

Also, NK's father was CW's boss. Why is that never discussed? Surely that had to factor into their relationship. Surely his boss had to know CW was married and had met Shanann. They all had. They were impressed by her liveliness. So why is she suddenly a giant black box to all of them?

Why are we not being told ho much money Shanann made? Chris did not know how many credit cards SW had. What DID he know about their finances? Like how much money she was allegedly earning from LeVel? Why is that being kept SO top secret? Shanann was supposedly a nurse at one of those emergency call centers where you can talk to an ER nurse. Shanann did not go to college. Did she lie? Was this another MLM scam?

Are these records subject to FOIA requests?

by Anonymousreply 175January 1, 2019 1:31 AM

Shan’ann wasnt a nurse. She worked at a call center in a hospital. Probably making $18 an hour. If that.

by Anonymousreply 176January 1, 2019 1:38 AM

They weren't paying their HOA fees after the bankruptcy and I'm curious to know if they were still bothering to pay their mortgage. I suspect they weren't and the money was going to the expensive school and lifestyle and they were waiting for the foreclosure boom to drop on their heads. I think CW wasn't as ignorant of their finances as he claims and he was feeling the financial pressure with an upcoming notice re: the HOA dues along with the baby he claimed to want until NK dropped her panties for him. It all sort of coalesced in his muddled brain until the triple murder seemed like the simplest solution.

by Anonymousreply 177January 1, 2019 1:50 AM

The Tinder stuff was proven false. The girl he had rough sex was also proven to be deceptive.

by Anonymousreply 178January 1, 2019 2:28 AM

R175, I had read that Shanann met her former friend Jeanna Dietz at nursing school in NC. (No, I can’t prove it.)

The Dietzes moved to CO and Shananna and Chris lived with them for a year while they looked for jobs and a house. Shanann was their nanny. Jeanna worked for the children’s hospital where Shananm worked at the call center (Jeanna is a nurse). This is known. I’m assuming that Jeanna helped Shanann get that job.

But back to nursing school. Why is it never mentioned? I’m assuming (again) that she didn’t finish. Is that the reason they had student loan debt?

by Anonymousreply 179January 1, 2019 3:05 AM

R177, they took $10k out of Chris’s 401k to pay off three months of their mortgage.

Yet she was still spending money on plane tickets and getting her nails done.

They are possibly the stupidest people ever.

by Anonymousreply 180January 1, 2019 3:07 AM

Don’t ever take money out if your 401K — that us really bad.

by Anonymousreply 181January 1, 2019 3:11 AM

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by Anonymousreply 182January 1, 2019 3:11 AM

R173, DP doesn’t necessarily mean a MMF threesome. Penises don’t even have to be involved. And interracial threesomes can be MFF. Sorry, just wanted to point that out.

I’m not denying he had same-sex proclivities, but those searches don’t mean he did, either. Other women and sex toys can be part of a couple’s sex life.

by Anonymousreply 183January 1, 2019 3:12 AM

R175, it is rather a mystery why some things are kept from the public.

If I’m feeling generous, I’ll imagine that the courts are protecting the victim and there’s no need for us to know any more now that Chris is in prison forever.

If I’m not feeling so generous, I’m a little more skeptical and wondering how this all resolved in three months from start to finish, with so many pieces missing.

by Anonymousreply 184January 1, 2019 3:17 AM

I see Eric D. from the Joey Communale threads has arrived, determined to make the Chris Watts case into a gay cover up conspiracy.

by Anonymousreply 185January 1, 2019 4:35 AM

I asked a question and they answered it for me. I'm actually pretty reasonable. In the Joey case, it is entirely possible that they killed him for the incredibly stupid reason that they stated. It will always be reasonable to wonder about the possibility of same sex shenanigans on the part of Rackover and Dilione because Rackover had a sugar daddy that gave him everything that he had to his name. And it seems to me that Dilione and Rackover were at a minimum friends with benefits.

by Anonymousreply 186January 1, 2019 7:06 AM

^ For the millionth time, it doesn't mean that Joey's dearth was gay rape gone wrong.

by Anonymousreply 187January 1, 2019 9:13 AM

Haha and the gay angle denier is here! *waves hello*

*looks around for the DLer who thinks anyone criticizing Meghan Markle’s hats is a racist/jealous*

by Anonymousreply 188January 1, 2019 12:33 PM

Maybe NK was attracted to Shanann and thats why she googled her? She plotted to get her husband caught so NK could tell SWshe did it for her to prove that he sucks and she loved her enougj to go through with the entrapment

by Anonymousreply 189January 1, 2019 3:03 PM

Alright, so I've tried to read through the 1000s of posts here. But, what exactly did the mistress really do? I can't figure out her story? Is she just now free to go, or under any investigation?

by Anonymousreply 190January 1, 2019 3:20 PM

R190, there’s no proof she did anything criminal. Depending on your opinion, she behaved suspiciously and there are inconsistencies in her interviews with investigators. According to the DA, she will not be investigated further, since they already have the perpetrator of the murders in prison for life.

She has left the state, and is reportedly under Witness Protection. (I don’t believe it’s as formal as that, though.)

by Anonymousreply 191January 1, 2019 3:41 PM

The only thing really suspicious was that at the same time Chris was loading up the bodies, NK's phone pinged in Frederick when she made a call to her friend Jim, who she then was very adamant with investigators that they could not call him. But the neighbors video shows only Chris loading the bodies and no one else there but him, so the police have no interest in looking into that angle.

She likely googled Shanann a year before to size up her competition, she definitely had her sights on Chris. She probably saw all those annoying Thrive videos and figured Chris would be easy pickings with all that "Heeeyy Guyyys".

by Anonymousreply 192January 1, 2019 3:53 PM

R192, I’m one of the puritanical and hysterical fraus who’s afraid of my husband cheating on me*, so naturally, I find those things unusual and hinky. Let’s not forget she deleted all communications between Chris and herself.

Not saying she was at the house during the murders, or that she harmed anyone directly, but... I’m a little frustrated that they didn’t seriously investigate her whereabouts. I mean, she’s the MOTIVE. That merits more than a cursory glance.

Where was she? Did she even say?

by Anonymousreply 193January 1, 2019 5:54 PM

* Because looking at the motive for murder is... hysterical?

by Anonymousreply 194January 1, 2019 5:55 PM

CW likely in Dodge Correctional Centre.

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by Anonymousreply 195January 1, 2019 7:38 PM

^ No shit Sherlock

by Anonymousreply 196January 1, 2019 7:46 PM

Scooby is interviewed by ABC.

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by Anonymousreply 197January 1, 2019 7:50 PM

"Scooby" is an unfunny, stupid nickname for Nickole. I expect more from DL.

Step up your game, ladies.

by Anonymousreply 198January 1, 2019 9:47 PM

Once we saw that unfortunate mug shot of CW, most of us who were here for the hot bailed from these threads and let the Frauen take over to do their admittedly good job at sleuthing out the dirt. Sadly, that's what happens r198 when the Frauen take over. You get stupid nicknames like "Scooby"

by Anonymousreply 199January 1, 2019 10:01 PM

Awaiting a better name for Scooby Nickole...

by Anonymousreply 200January 1, 2019 10:29 PM

Nicole The Nose: still brown from insertion up the bum of her mistress, she set her shnoz around the scene at a pace, sniffing out evidence and seeking the reward of praise. Good girl. Nosey girl.

by Anonymousreply 201January 1, 2019 10:42 PM

^Nickole

by Anonymousreply 202January 1, 2019 10:43 PM

Thanks

by Anonymousreply 203January 2, 2019 3:18 AM

Gladys

by Anonymousreply 204January 2, 2019 4:45 AM

She really was Gladys. Like Gladys giving the license plate number of the getaway car, and a detailed description of the perps who robbed your house.

by Anonymousreply 205January 2, 2019 9:09 AM

Is it true that he killed the girls with an “emoji pillow”?!?

Someone on the last “Chris Watts is in Wisconsin” thread said that “it’s believed” that he did....

by Anonymousreply 206January 2, 2019 11:13 AM

R179, had Shan’ann been an RN, she would have been making around $35 to $45 an hour, and perhaps even more.

by Anonymousreply 207January 2, 2019 2:41 PM

I think Scooby Nickole is an INSPIRED nickname for Nickole. WTF is your problem, R198? The only way a name could be better would be tp inspire a more derisive analogy. Can't think of anything better.

The guard reports of his behavior in prison are actually quite awful. All he is allowed to do is to sleep, read a bible and enter into catatonic states.

Why is he not being psychoanalyzed? Seriously, the only thing left in life for this guy is to contribute to an understanding of how this type of murder becomes a reasonable course of action. I would guess that even a year ago, he would not even in the darkest recesses of his mind, have entertained killing those girls. There was a physiological change in this guy: possibly forskolin and caffeine in those patches? Possibly the euphoria of elevated self-esteem and sex? Resentment and humiliation? All of these things?

Every day he sits alone in a cell, perseverating in his insanity, is another day that puts him beyond reach.

by Anonymousreply 208January 2, 2019 5:14 PM

R208, it would be good to know. I agree that he’s not a homicidal maniac. I think it was a perfect storm of substance abuse, despair of ever escaping Shanann, insurmountable financial pressure, and did I mention substance abuse?

People who were formerly normal and living can do insane and violent shit on drugs. People doing meth and K2 and bath salts are capable of horrific violence.

by Anonymousreply 209January 2, 2019 5:51 PM

Maybe Piss Twatts wanted to be in prison. No more responsiblities

by Anonymousreply 210January 2, 2019 5:51 PM

It would be great if psychologists could study him, but he strikes me as the type to take his reasons to the grave. He was fine with hurrying a plea and sentencing for life because he didn't want to face what he did. So, unfortunately I see us never getting the whole story. For us, it seems like he has nothing to lose and might as well shed some light on his mental processes, but for him I don't see him being capable of that kind of honesty.

I think he was drawn to Shanann and her grifter ways for a reason, he enjoyed the image of the dutiful husband who lived to please his ill wife and sickly kids. I think he fantasized for years about them all dying (lupus is life threatening and she told everyone she could never have kids) or leaving him, at some point he must have realized none of them were really all that sick and more of a money drain for life. Then he couldn't face being the deadbeat who leaves his sickly wife and kids. He definitely can't face being the murderer of them so will lead a quiet life in prison until he dies.

by Anonymousreply 211January 2, 2019 6:03 PM

Yawn. Frau city.

by Anonymousreply 212January 2, 2019 6:36 PM

Frau city. Frightening, your ability to critically evaluate. Don't you have a circle jerk to go to, my precious?

Would you prefer we focused on Trent Bolte instead? Nothing drives the Frauen away faster than that guy. But just because the conversation can go in a more cerebral direction does not make it frauy.

As to psychologically analyzing the guy, i doubt very much he'd be tough to crack. 6 hours of interrogation by the FBI got him to confess to all of it. doesn't matter though. The things they'd be interested in would be the stuff he hadn't given any thought to. Missing attention as much as giving it full attention. For example, Chrissy thught he was being so clever, in viewing the video, so he could get an ideas of how to move, how far to back the truck in to the garage,etc. not thinking about the fact that what the video did NOT show would be more important than what it did shows w, namely no other activity between the time he left for work and the time Scooby showed her ugly face.

Chris Watts would be a very valuable case study.

by Anonymousreply 213January 2, 2019 6:52 PM

do you really think he wouldn't get caught? he has to be the dumbest person alive

by Anonymousreply 214January 2, 2019 7:02 PM

Indeed R214. I hope those 48 hours of freedom were worth it.

by Anonymousreply 215January 2, 2019 7:31 PM

Well naturally, any in-depth analysis of how CW's brain works, would have to be able to factor out the stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 216January 2, 2019 8:00 PM

R211, yes. And a few more words about what Chris enjoyed about Shanann:

I think he, being non-confrontational, enjoyed using Shanann as his proxy. A few well-placed words in her ear, and she’d be ready to chew someone out. He could get her to fight his battles. Those emotional people are actually easy to manipulate. And she, believing she was so much smarter than he was, had no idea he was doing it. I think he enjoyed Shamann feuding with his sister and mother, secretly.

Good cop/bad cop, topping from the bottom, etc.

by Anonymousreply 217January 2, 2019 8:42 PM

R216, I do think Chris had a certain intelligence. He didn’t have “street smarts” or emotional intelligence or even much common sense. But if you compare his writing with Shanann’s, he wasn’t making stupid spelling and grammar mistakes. And he certainly had a lot of technical knowledge.

He was an absolutely retarded criminal.

by Anonymousreply 218January 2, 2019 8:45 PM

R208 prinsons in America are hell. They don’t care about why Chris killed his family.

He would have gotten better care and observation in a zoo.

by Anonymousreply 219January 2, 2019 9:23 PM

I watched him talking to his dad, though, when he initially confessed to killing Shananana, and claimed she killed the kids. He was NOT in any way a competent actor. It was all so obviously a lie. Hee might have had a minimallevel of intelligence, but when It came to that crime, he put zero thought into getting away with it.

He was going to try to claim sex trafficking. Really? Idiot.

by Anonymousreply 220January 2, 2019 11:25 PM

R220, no doubt he was a bad liar and actor, and a dumbass criminal. The thing that drew me to the case was his interview where he was clutching himself for dear life and obviously lying.

by Anonymousreply 221January 3, 2019 1:37 AM

I know! That's exactly right R221!

plus he is such a regular guy. Killing someone is something I think very few people are capable of. I keep wondering what it would have felt like to be in his shoes. to be absolutely consumed with hatred for Shanann (and I think he was), to have to kill those kids in order to really get this second chance with NK..... how to do it with the least fuss and muss. I think he over-dosed the girls. Easy. Gave them medicine and let them succumb to the respiratory failure. Turn blue. Choke Shenann, with pleasure. Yes, gleefully, I think. I think he was thinking, "Fuck you, bitch! Who's in control NOW????"

But then. To actually face bodies of people who were so in your head. To look at your spouse, your KIDS as corpses. So macabre. So terrifying. I wonder if he was exhilarated? All that duping delight (biting his lower lip to keep from grinning....)

Yes, he was an idiot. But transparent and therefore fascinating.

by Anonymousreply 222January 3, 2019 2:42 AM

R208 wake up! This guy is a simpleton hick. Why are you not getting that? Ted Bundy had a law degree and was serial. That you study. Not this uneducated, weasel faced mechanic BOCES nonentity.

by Anonymousreply 223January 3, 2019 2:55 AM

You've gotta be low rung to compare this common deufus to even Scott Peterson.

R209, what is "formerly normal" to you? Please, enlighten us. If Chris was a black man working in a factory or a hispanic body shop owner, you'd not think twice. That tells us where you sit on the socioeconomic ladder.

by Anonymousreply 224January 3, 2019 3:02 AM

[quote] But just because the conversation can go in a more cerebral direction does not make it frauy.

This makes me howl with laughter. Since the frauen took over, this thread has been about as cerebral as Chris Watt's asshole.

by Anonymousreply 225January 3, 2019 3:03 AM

Trent Bolte Trent Bolte Trent Bolte

by Anonymousreply 226January 3, 2019 3:05 AM

Was Shanann his first gf? So he never had any other pussy and therefore thought he had to kill for it? Dumb fuck could have just fucked around on Shanann until she left him.

by Anonymousreply 227January 3, 2019 3:07 AM

Well R225, frau or not, it's basically a perspective of a have not. How many silly klown kweens get totally owned when they dip into the deep end on the DL? Makes this site so great. It's a datalounge sporting event watching them get knocked off.😂

by Anonymousreply 228January 3, 2019 3:17 AM

Easy racking up points on the DL. To acknowledge your win and shame the drowned know it all, use one of these two victory laps

This

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by Anonymousreply 229January 3, 2019 3:25 AM

Or for a lesser clown, the jester worth only a mere 3 points/DL miles, signal with this to redeem

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by Anonymousreply 230January 3, 2019 3:31 AM

Inside Edition interviewed the guy that says he had sex with Chris on today's show.

by Anonymousreply 231January 3, 2019 3:41 AM

I always think that I could never be fleeced by a serial killer and therefore survive but then there's Ted Bundy. If Ted Bundy walked up to me with an armful of books on campus and had a fake cast on his arm and asked me to help him carry his stuff to his car, I think I would as any helpful caring human being would. He was an evil genius.

by Anonymousreply 232January 3, 2019 1:05 PM

R224, he was a totally normal guy, it seems. Skilled laborer, interested in cars and football, no brushes with the law or addictions, affable.

There are those types, obviously, who seem a little “off”, who argue with neighbors, spend hours in a “workshop” or online gaming, etc.

And then there are the regular people who become addicts and the disease turns them into lying, cheating zombies, and their loved ones can hardly believe they’re the same person.

The two things that stick out to me are the fact that he didn’t have girlfriends and that they called him “Rain Man” at work. He might have been a bit of an incel, or on the autism spectrum. (That really triggers some people!)

by Anonymousreply 233January 3, 2019 2:15 PM

I can't help but feel kinda sorry for him, it's sad that he had to ruin his life like this.

by Anonymousreply 234January 3, 2019 2:45 PM

What about the new g/f killer, another hottie

by Anonymousreply 235January 3, 2019 3:06 PM

What about the new new guy that killed his g/f, another hottie

by Anonymousreply 236January 3, 2019 3:07 PM

Frazee. Not sure why, but not interested in that case. Maybe cuz it seems his wife/fiancé was not an in your face, OCD bitch.

by Anonymousreply 237January 3, 2019 3:51 PM

Why the fuck havent the cops put out a statement that Trent Bolte is full of shit? Or do the media not care? Can Shanann's family sue?

by Anonymousreply 238January 3, 2019 3:54 PM

Plus, Frazee didn't go on TV and talk about having "no inclination where she is."

Downright embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 239January 3, 2019 3:57 PM

One of the takeaways from this case is, if you are married, keep some finances separate. Have a joint account for common bills, but make sure you have your own liquid assets so you can come up with money for a divorce.

If you earn a lot more than your spouse, you’ll have to kick in some for her liquid funds, but at least you will have dough to hire a divorce attorney.

Chris’ didn’t have cash, much less credit, to even start the divorce process. He was so trapped.

by Anonymousreply 240January 3, 2019 4:03 PM

R237, I feel the same way. There’s some weird stuff about that one, too, but it’s not as compelling. But again, you have to feel for the kid. At least she’s alive.

by Anonymousreply 241January 3, 2019 6:34 PM

R225, here's to hoping these "fraus" emigrate back to lipstick alley, celebitchy, websleuths or other ghetto sites. They're not welcomed anywhere on this earth online and especially IRL. Take a hint already. Stop polluting our neighborhood. Stop insisting that we rub elbows with you!

by Anonymousreply 242January 3, 2019 9:56 PM

More taking away the blame from Watts. I don’t feel sorry for him at all...

by Anonymousreply 243January 3, 2019 9:59 PM

here's to hoping these "fraus" emigrate back to lipstick alley, celebitchy, websleuths or other ghetto sites. They're not welcomed anywhere on this earth online and especially IRL. Take a hint already. Stop polluting our neighborhood. Stop insisting that we rub elbows with you!

Agree r242. Sadly, the more we try to TAKE BACK our site, the more the frauen insist they belong here.

This is a GAY SITE, bitches. We are BORED with your " normal" hetero-drivel.

by Anonymousreply 244January 3, 2019 10:30 PM

A special song for all the UNWANTED frauen here. Listen. YOU are our Clementine.

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by Anonymousreply 245January 3, 2019 10:33 PM

😂R245, she was a big one, weighing 299. R244, don't have a problem really with heteros. Anyone who can crack wise is welcomed. Just bring something to the table. Show some manners. The issue is not really with die frauen. The issue is with the low rent uneducated know it all who won't hesitate to claim the sky is orange. Feeling comfortable spouting empty headed contrarian crap just to hear themselves talk. It's to a point you can't utter a peep around here without being accused of being racist when you point out their illogical thought processes. The lipstick alley ghetto lesbians have descended here like a swarm of locusts. Tweaking every comment about how asians and whites suck and honey, they love nothing more than a white/asian tragedy. Like a black accolade for them. On and on they go dissecting motives and reasons of why these whites/asians did what they did. When you point out their reasoning flaw of said culture they go apeshit and end up drowning themselves.

Nobody is going into inner city ghettos fetching residents into their homes and communities IRL and they don't want to engage with you in a cyber dimension or in ANY DIMENSION either.

Take a hint LaClemtineishia!

by Anonymousreply 246January 3, 2019 11:52 PM

R236, that Frazee guy is simply not hot, that is why nobody cares about him!

by Anonymousreply 247January 4, 2019 1:28 AM

Just a few years ago, Chris was a fat, pasty dipshit. I think both Chris and shanann credited Thrive for his weight loss. Who knows if that's bullshit, but if so, it's crazy to think that getting involved in Thrive may have been her downfall. Also, that 5 week trip to North Carolina was a horrible idea...she must have thought he would miss her and the kids and not be able to function without them but that totally backfired. There are so many bits and pieces to this story.

by Anonymousreply 248January 4, 2019 3:05 AM

If we start a Sunny von Bulow thread, is your ghetto ass gonna trespass there as well? DL is getting decimated by you prole trolls.

by Anonymousreply 249January 4, 2019 3:26 AM

R248, so many bits and pieces? He's not a serial killer with possible missing victims. He's not the Last Emperor.

You're the product of an absentee bio father for sure! Listen to yourself.

by Anonymousreply 250January 4, 2019 3:30 AM

i think he has aspergers and is a narcissist psychopath

by Anonymousreply 251January 4, 2019 3:44 AM

R250 Someone else called the kids' school - a female voice -after Chris Watts did to assure the school the sudden absence was ok. I wonder who that was. Lots of bits and pieces, asswipe.

by Anonymousreply 252January 4, 2019 3:52 AM

That was Shan'ann's mother, I believe r252.

by Anonymousreply 253January 4, 2019 3:55 AM

No, R253, Shanann's mom called several hours later.

R248, he did the laundry, 1/2 the cooking, most of the childcare when he was at home. I don't think she had any illusions about his falling apart when she and the kids were gone.

NK is THE single-most annoying woman I have ever run across and that is saying a lot. More than his Asbergerish personality, I have got to wonder about any adult male who would fall in love with Shanann and THEN cheat on her with a worthless piece of shit like NK. I mean, WTF? Kills his wife and kids for NK? Can someone explain how this was a step up? Purely budgetary? Others have pointed out, he's not completely stupid. I feel like I know a ton about these people and understand nothing.

by Anonymousreply 254January 4, 2019 5:22 AM

Shanann was far more annoying than NK, unlike Shanann she had no social media presence and no never-ending Thrive BS. The vocal fry was annoying. I think the real attraction for Chris was her financial responsibility, he was an idiot about money so needed someone like that. Also, she was into hiking and camping activities, which I think he liked more than all those Thrive conventions, I got the impression he didn't like the Thrive ladies, he referred to them as "her people".

Not to mention she was down for some freaky sex and okay with threesomes, I believe Chris was into men as well and she would have let him explore that side.

by Anonymousreply 255January 4, 2019 5:48 AM

R252, the thing about the female caller is that Shanann’s mom has a deep, gravelly voice. It’s female, but very distinct. Oddly, NK has a younger version of that voice. Hers is markedly gruff, too.

I’m telling you, that NK is involved.

by Anonymousreply 256January 4, 2019 11:03 AM

If not being sympathetic towards a creep who murdershis own small children and his wife makes me a frau great I’m a frau. Where do I sign up ? When do they meet ? Do I bring a dish ?

by Anonymousreply 257January 4, 2019 12:47 PM

Why would she mother be calling the school so quickly, on the same day within hours of the disappearance? Was this caller asking if they were there or explaining their absence?

by Anonymousreply 258January 4, 2019 5:19 PM

Have you been paying attention, R258? Shanann's mom was Shanann on steroids. TOTALLY controlling, over-bearing, domineering. She called the school at about 11 AM, I believe, after hearing from Scooby that Shanann was missing. She too was a scooby. After Chris arrives home to let the cops in to the house, they are flummoxed because Chris has opened a car door and has gone in the house, but not let them in. Scooby says to the cop, why is he not letting us in? And the cop says "Its his house, he can do what he wants." Shanann's mom, on speaker phone with Scooby, yells "I GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO ENTER MY DAUGHTER'S HOME!!!!" as though she has any standing. It is Chris Watts house and his fucking mother-in-law is giving orders?

Cuntiness is a hereditary trait.

by Anonymousreply 259January 4, 2019 5:56 PM

^^^^ OT I would PAY to see a good movie on this case.

by Anonymousreply 260January 4, 2019 7:00 PM

R259’s “She too was a scooby” had me cracking up in public.

by Anonymousreply 261January 4, 2019 7:46 PM

The problem with Chris was that he let Shanann boss him around SO much around their friends that everyone else had zero respect for him, too. Those women just mowed him down like he was an ant on a sidewalk.

His job was the only place where he had a modicum of respect shown to him. That’s why he worried about the people at work thinking he wasn’t a “good guy”. He knew his family and her family and all the Thrive fatties had no regard for him. But his work people deferred to his technical knowledge and, apparently, he was a good worker.

No wonder he fell so hard for NK. She probably fed his ego.

And before I get accused of whatever, YES he allowed himself to be treated that way.

by Anonymousreply 262January 4, 2019 7:55 PM

Wasn't NK's father a manager at Anadarko (sp)? That bit of info caught my interest.

by Anonymousreply 263January 4, 2019 8:38 PM

R163, he may have been in a managerial role on an Anadarko project, but I don’t think Chris reported to him. And he seemed to be a subcontractor.

For some reason, the link isn’t working in the proper spot, but you can google his cached LinkedIn page. His name is Dwayne Kessinger (“DWAYNE K.” on LinkedIn). He worked for RK Mechanical / RK Mission Critical.

by Anonymousreply 264January 5, 2019 12:28 AM

And here is Nichol’s resume.

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by Anonymousreply 265January 5, 2019 12:31 AM

More

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by Anonymousreply 266January 5, 2019 12:32 AM

This shows her at the same company as her dad.

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by Anonymousreply 267January 5, 2019 12:34 AM

No, this one.

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by Anonymousreply 268January 5, 2019 12:38 AM

Her dad sounded like a complete dolt in that FBI interview he was present in.

Incredible to me that NK was able to manipulate CW so completely, and that she is getting off scott free (in terms of prosecution). She has a role in this and it being completely undisclosed. So much covering up and corruption in this case, it is impossible to figure out exactly what was going on here.....

by Anonymousreply 269January 5, 2019 12:52 AM

R269, why would LEOs agree to or want to protect NK??? It’s not like she is the daughter of a high profile government official, or the daughter of an uber wealthy one-percenter.

by Anonymousreply 270January 5, 2019 1:42 AM

So rich, R270. Same could be asked of your interest in NK.

But hey, at least she has her degree. Can't take that away from her.

by Anonymousreply 271January 5, 2019 1:54 AM

NK had nothing to do with the murders. All she did was date one before the fact. She lied and freaked out when she found out he offed his children. She wasn't a psychopath. That scared the f**k out of her and now she's gone underground. LE would never let her get away with murder of two little kids and a pregnant women. They would have way too much to lose. She made a really bad choice and it informs her character and morals by sleeping with a man who she knew had a family. But the murders are all on Chris.

by Anonymousreply 272January 5, 2019 2:24 AM

R272, let these ghetto cretins support their own ilk in this link.

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by Anonymousreply 273January 5, 2019 2:50 AM

How do we know that Chris isn't covering up for Nicole and took the fall for her?

by Anonymousreply 274January 5, 2019 4:00 AM

Was it all rushed through because it’s Dick Cheyney’s Halliburton and the company didn’t want any spotlight?

by Anonymousreply 275January 5, 2019 4:16 AM

I think this should be the next American Crime Story as long as Murphy doesn't fuck it up. Or perhaps better, a Dirty John type serialization, preferably on Netflix

by Anonymousreply 276January 5, 2019 4:21 AM

I actually know Chris and he is not gay! He likes anal sex as birth control!

by Anonymousreply 277January 5, 2019 5:41 AM

Is R277 a joke?

by Anonymousreply 278January 5, 2019 9:56 AM

[quote]He likes anal sex as birth control!

This is true.

He says it keeps him from getting pregnant.

by Anonymousreply 279January 5, 2019 10:11 AM

R275, the thought crossed my mind.

She speaks like a trucker, but I don’t think she’s a dummy, and she probably has smart people advising her.

There’s also this:

The “head office” address is a residence.

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by Anonymousreply 280January 5, 2019 11:04 AM

R272, I’m not saying she actually laid hands on anyone and killed them, but she was hiding a lot.

The most compelling actual evidence against her is the phone ping in Fredrick the morning of the murders. Her phone is in Frederick, calling Jim. (The friend from WI who she didn’t want the cops questioning)

She deleted lots of texts and wiped her phone. She lied to investigators.

If that didn’t make investigators take a closer look at her, it was because they were told to drop it. A man kills his entire family to be with a woman and they look the other way when they find her lying and destroying evidence?

The DA had a sure thing with Chris pleading guilty. He wasn’t going to jeopardize that by spreading the culpability thinner. He pressed for and got Chris’s immediate plea and closed the barn door.

I’m not mad a murderer is in prison for life, but I think NK got away with something.

by Anonymousreply 281January 5, 2019 11:37 AM

[quote]Roseanne should get her show back now, as well as the BET network finally producing a talk show hosted by Michael Richards.

Yes.

by Anonymousreply 282January 5, 2019 12:21 PM

Things like this will happen again and again—so, what’s the answer?

by Anonymousreply 283January 5, 2019 12:22 PM

R271, I asked a valid question. You’re passive aggressive answer doesn’t make it less valid, and reveals your inability to answer it.

I have no vested interests in any of these people. I’m just a spectator, like everyone else who went on Mr. Toad’s wild ride with Chris Watts.

There is absolutely no reason that indicates to us, the casual observers, that NK received special treatment or protection from law enforcement.

by Anonymousreply 284January 5, 2019 12:32 PM

R281

I 1000% agree!

by Anonymousreply 285January 5, 2019 1:05 PM

Every year men kill their wives to be with their mistresses, and I think sometimes the mistresses know but I don't think NK did. I think that Chris took the plea deal quickly so he wouldn't have to talk about kicking his daughter's head into a tank of crude oil. NK was a bitch, a vocal fried asshole, a harlot, but I don't think she was an accomplice. This talk is dangerous to her and it's why she's gone into hiding. Those fraus in the fb group are out for blood and were imploring people to go to her house.

by Anonymousreply 286January 5, 2019 1:08 PM

R286, all you've said is you don't think she had anything to do with it, despite R281 providing several strong evidence-based arguments to suggest she did. It would be helpful to explain why, in the face of obvious reasons to suspect her of deep involvement in the crime, "(you) don't think" she had anything to do with it.

by Anonymousreply 287January 5, 2019 2:18 PM

I'm surprised that a decent-looking woman with a college degree didn't set her sights a little higher than an oil field worker like Chris, someone with average looks, a wife, a couple of kids, and no burning intellect or charisma. Also, no money.

by Anonymousreply 288January 5, 2019 3:33 PM

Once he slimmed down, Chris was HOT!

by Anonymousreply 289January 5, 2019 3:35 PM

Maybe that was the terms of Watts’ confession that his whore would not be charged.

by Anonymousreply 290January 5, 2019 3:55 PM

Did Shanann have a life insurance policy ?

by Anonymousreply 291January 5, 2019 3:59 PM

Oh that PESKY life insurance policy, r291.

by Anonymousreply 292January 5, 2019 4:02 PM

R286, “this kind of talk is dangerous to her”.

What talk? Listing and discussing the holes in her story? I’ve never seen a single death threat or call to harm NK anywhere. And I belong to that infamous crazy group on FB.

People say some nasty things about her. Part of the problem is that she put forth a carefully-crafted image of “he LIED to me!” And everyone felt sorry for her. And then when the discovery came out, it fell apart.

by Anonymousreply 293January 5, 2019 5:31 PM

R291,she had one when she was married to her first husband, but he didn’t know if she carried it forward.

I can’t imagine them keeping up with paying premiums when they didn’t have money for food or the measly HOA dues. Maybe Chris had a policy through Anadarko.

by Anonymousreply 294January 5, 2019 5:33 PM

Chris had a policy on SW and the girls for the minimal amounts paid for by Anadarko as part of its benefits package. It was practically nothing, though.

NK did her first google search on 9/1/17. When interviewed by the FBI on 8/14/18, sh said she didn't know Shanann's name until July of 2018. Clearly a lie, and that alone should have prompted some skepticism, and investigation. But THEN to have scrubbed her phone of CW before talking to the cops? Come onNobody does that. The average scooby would say "Here! Here! He's guilty! Fry the bastard!" She scrubs the phone? Doesn't just delete messages, uses software to eliminate all traces. Doesn't have backed up files in the cloud. AFTER being interviewed by the FBI. she tells her friends to delete all messages on THEIR phones in which she made even passing references to CW. Come on.

And by the way, every time I see Scooby and her vile repulsive son, I just want to smash them with a giant hamer. Entitled assholes.

by Anonymousreply 295January 5, 2019 6:10 PM

^^^first google search on Shanann Watts, that is.

by Anonymousreply 296January 5, 2019 6:12 PM

I could see NK doing a google search for his wife after having met Chris for the first time, if she was interested in him. You typically want to find out about someone and whether they're married or not.

I also don't think it sinister she wanted to delete her calls to him. I would have been mortified to discover I was involved with a murderer. She probably wasn't smart enough to know it would all come out in the end and just wanted to try to distance herself from the situation. Unlike the whack job cross dresser who wanted the publicity.

by Anonymousreply 297January 5, 2019 6:22 PM

And all r281 has said is that she deleted lots of texts and that her phone was in Frederick that day. Maybe she and CW met for coffee there. And the assumption that investigators were told to drop it is just an assumption. There's no fucking hard evidence in r281 either, aside from a "feeling". Yeah, she lied and she deleted messages, she knew she looked like a homewrecking asshole, that's it. I don't know why you so badly want to think there were 2 people fucked up enough to do this, she's not Myra fucking Hindley, why would she be as dumb as he was to think that anyone could get away with that? Such delusional thinking is not usually done en masse.

by Anonymousreply 298January 5, 2019 6:25 PM

R297, the woman who wanted to distance herself also did a photo shoot for the Denver Post and hired a PR lawyer. She googled Amber Frey and how much she got for her book deal.

Even if she never sees the inside of another interrogation room, I’m satisfied that she got spanked by the discovery release.

by Anonymousreply 299January 5, 2019 7:26 PM

Even if he had gotten away with it and gotten to be with her, he would have been in the same situation.

NK spends a lot of time telling police about her apartment search for Chris and the kids, and what kind of place they needed. She didn’t like the menu of some restaurant he picked so they went somewhere else. She was in charge of everything, and a high-maintenance controlling betch, just like Shanann.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

by Anonymousreply 300January 5, 2019 7:30 PM

Dayummm R299. You get two snaps girl!!

by Anonymousreply 301January 5, 2019 7:31 PM

R298, she lied to the FBI, which was enough to send Martha Stewart to prison for a year. She did enough stupid shit to implicate herself as being more than an innocent by-stander. She did not just delete messages, which you KNOW they would have been able to recover. She scrubbed it with scrubbing software, to delete fragments of text from the phone and back-up storage. She denied knowing the murderer and the murder victim, for a far greater period of time than was true. Even after speaking to law enforcement, she failed to be fully forthright and honest: she asked friends AFTER talking to the FBI, to delete her texts. She pretended not to know about the pregnancy (the only way this would be credible would be if NK STOPPED googling and following SW after 9/1/17, pretty much impossible even if she was just interested in finding out about CW and his married life. She would be the only other woman in the history of other women, who did NOT try to know every single thing she could about her married lover.), about Shanann's "health challenges", all the rest of it.

Just read R299, and that is exactly right. THAT IS WHAT IT IS!!!! I loathe Shanann Watts! And NK pushes the exact same buttons! Controlling, judgmental bitch! CW had a talent for putting himself in the bullseye of predatory controlling cuntish women! He's like a tortured pet, who finally had enough and killed the asshole owner first chance he got. Then killed whoever else was in his way..... to get to the NEXT abusive asshole owner.

by Anonymousreply 302January 5, 2019 7:36 PM

These fraus desperate for NK to be "involved" are as tiresome as the queens desperate for Joey Communale's murder to be a "conspiracy" to cover up a gay rape gone wrong.

by Anonymousreply 303January 5, 2019 8:35 PM

I do think it’s crazy to think NK was involved with the planning of the murders, but why wasn’t she charged with obstruction/lying to the FBI/impeding an FBI investigation?

by Anonymousreply 304January 5, 2019 10:27 PM

Maybe NK's co-workers mentioned CW's Thrive patches and that Shanann was a big deal in the organization and she got curious and looked her up. Lord knows it wasn't hard to find SW all over social media ad nauseam. And I probably would have deleted all my phone records if I was dating a married murderer. Again, social media rips you a new one. She wasn't charged with obstruction because they don't know what she deleted. Probably just sexting. Certainly not murder planning or cover up IMHO. She had no idea what a nut case he was, no one did.

by Anonymousreply 305January 5, 2019 10:34 PM

You know, at DL, you cannot win. If you post as hating Shanann Watts and thrive and LeVel, you are branded a frau who cannot bear the idea of losing a hetero hot man from their side. If you hate NK, you are a tiresome Frau, aching for NK to be involvead when she was clearly so innocent. BEcause DLers think so.

If however, you are equally critical of both, you remain an hysterical Frau who cannot wait to weigh in so that the man they lie next to every night can still be granted a certain amount of assurance as never pulling a Chris Watts.

There is STILL the possibility that you are a critical thinker, who is fascinated by human behavior and the incongruencies in a case that involves layers of complexity, including moral lapses, Big money and confused sexuality. So I would say DLers who have a problem with THAT ought to go take a Xanax and focus on Armie Hammer threads instead.

by Anonymousreply 306January 5, 2019 11:36 PM

I’m resigned over being called frau. I don’t hate women so I guess I can’t join their club. Fine. I’m ashamed how seeemingly so many here drool over Watts.

by Anonymousreply 307January 5, 2019 11:40 PM

I think we have moved on from Armie.

by Anonymousreply 308January 5, 2019 11:42 PM

I still want to know the order of the killings. Shanann first, then the kids? Kids first, then Shanann? Which kid first? How much time in between? Why use a somewhat different method for each?

by Anonymousreply 309January 6, 2019 12:34 AM

We've seen SOME of NK's texts to her friend, raving about CW goin down on her. But almost nothing from CW. Also he had a work laptop. What did he google? Why can't we know that? Weird.

I think he killed the kids first. He would have needed every second of the 3 hours between 2 AM, when SW got home, and when he loaded his truck up, to clean the house. REALLY clean that house.

by Anonymousreply 310January 6, 2019 12:54 AM

Hilarious parody of our favorite yenta / showgirl / life coach:

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by Anonymousreply 311January 6, 2019 12:54 AM

r304 I think it's not as big a deal maybe to LE as it is to us. Remember when Cindy Anthony fucking CLEARLY perjured herself on the stand and said she did the chloroform searches? She should have been charged with perjury and obstruction but wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 312January 6, 2019 1:04 AM

R293, why oh why do you care? Why invested? Because you have nothing to lose, is why.

by Anonymousreply 313January 6, 2019 1:48 AM

R297, exactly but you're dealing with a bunch of ghetto hoes who will never get it from websleuths and such. And fatties. Lazy lay a bout fats.

by Anonymousreply 314January 6, 2019 1:55 AM

Slackers!

by Anonymousreply 315January 6, 2019 1:56 AM

R302! 😂 FBI, you dumb bitch? Not a trade commission, the fucking bunch of idiots? My ribs! Keep on.

by Anonymousreply 316January 6, 2019 2:01 AM

Not even FCC but FBI! Stupid cunt.

by Anonymousreply 317January 6, 2019 2:03 AM

R303, that dumb cuntstain at R302 is so lower class. Happens with uneducated cops, domestic violence from single mom welfare hoes, shitty families assuming if a person is meek with no identity, he couldn't abuse. Get your underclass, WIC fed ass out of here, R302.

Discredit to your gender, cretin.

by Anonymousreply 318January 6, 2019 2:11 AM

R306, dropping one now. TY.

by Anonymousreply 319January 6, 2019 2:15 AM

In love w/R311. I'll send money. Swear on the white buffalo. Seizuring in delight

by Anonymousreply 320January 6, 2019 2:22 AM

[quote]Maybe NK's co-workers mentioned CW's Thrive patches and that Shanann was a big deal in the organization and she got curious and looked her up

The only people that were a big deal in Le-Vel were the CEO's, everyone else was a joke wasting their time and acting like idiots over that stupid product.

by Anonymousreply 321January 6, 2019 2:27 AM

**CW angry outburst caught on video!!! **

At 17.00 on this link, watch Chris Watts caught on cop's bodycam mouthing the words "DAMN!" to himself for his failure to dispose of Shannann's purse.

MUST BE SEEN!

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by Anonymousreply 322January 6, 2019 3:33 AM

The NK IS INNOCENT POSTER(s) is none other than Guto aka Jim Gutoski, NK's best bud.

This is too funny. He is a DLer.

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by Anonymousreply 323January 6, 2019 4:30 AM

Well, good luck to NK in her new endeavors. I’m sure there will be some new, hot, married doormat wherever she is now.

The nice thing is that Chris taught her some valuable lessons, and she won’t push too hard next time. Finesse, Nichol. You almost had it right...

by Anonymousreply 324January 6, 2019 1:35 PM

How do we know Guto is a datalounger and the "Nichol is innocent troll?"

R324, do not encourage her to "finesse". She thought she was doing that before but all she was doing was being illogical and twisted. More of that no one needs.

by Anonymousreply 325January 6, 2019 2:52 PM

While this is certainly a very sad and tragic event, we can at least take comfort in the fact that when those little girls and Shannan's life ended on his earth, they were immediately wisked into heaven and are now enjoying eternal life with the Lord.

by Anonymousreply 326January 6, 2019 3:56 PM

That video is something r322.

by Anonymousreply 327January 6, 2019 4:17 PM

R322 they had a really nice house except for all the beige carpet.

by Anonymousreply 328January 6, 2019 5:08 PM

Yes, I was shocked when I came across CW's ON CAMERA angry "Damn!" outburst, r327. I don't know if LE has picked this video up and closely viewed it. There on a cop's bodycam is CW's psycopathic outburst and rage at his wife's purse still sitting on the kitchen counter. Not a likely spot for SW to have haphazardly left important belongings - given her "neat freak" tendencies.

For anyone who has not viewed the link at r322, the timestamp is approx. 17:14 when CW is captured in a silent rage screaming "Damn." Yet no one else in the room catches it except for the bodycam.

by Anonymousreply 329January 6, 2019 5:55 PM

I have looked at that moment on that video over and over and am not hearing "Damn" or any outburst really and see only his teeth flashing. As if he had dry-mouth. What are you all talking about?

by Anonymousreply 330January 6, 2019 7:29 PM

Straight guy at R328. In fact, young straight guy at R328. No other possible explanation.

by Anonymousreply 331January 6, 2019 7:40 PM

That house must have been very hard to keep it clean.

by Anonymousreply 332January 6, 2019 8:54 PM

^^^ Especially given arid soil and particlesfloating around everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 333January 6, 2019 9:03 PM

R332, Chris was always cleaning, I’m sure.

Considering her personality, I’m pretty sure they kept the house hermetically sealed, and didn’t have doors and windows open. Even in daylight, like in r322’s video, the house seems dark and closed-up. I’m sure they used gallons of hand sanitizer.

by Anonymousreply 334January 6, 2019 9:30 PM

P R A C T I C E

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by Anonymousreply 335January 6, 2019 9:33 PM

M A K E S

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by Anonymousreply 336January 6, 2019 9:34 PM

P E R F E C T

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by Anonymousreply 337January 6, 2019 9:36 PM

R337, you are terrible.

And so am I, for laughing. For shame!

I also cracked up at Scooby Nickole pointing out something red on the carpeting (ugh!) on the staircase. LOL. Scooby indeed. The cop doesn’t see it.

by Anonymousreply 338January 6, 2019 9:40 PM

Watts family home to be auctioned April 17, 2019

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by Anonymousreply 339January 6, 2019 9:41 PM

She probably had him trained to give massages on demand.

For her LUPUS, don’tcha know.

by Anonymousreply 340January 6, 2019 9:44 PM

Scooby is absolutely vile. She continues to peddle the LeVel bullshit, along with Shanann's mom; cuz Shanann would have wanted it that way.

A number of times, I have seen that the combined income for Shanann and Chris was $90K. His salary was $65K of that and she continued to work, occasionally at the medical hotline job. So let's assume $20K for LeVel, which is probably over-estimating that contribution. Their main monthly expenses were the mortgage and car payments (=$3300). Their monthly expenses were approximately $4900. They should have been able to stay solvent (i.e., 12 X $4900 = approximately $60K, which they would have been taking home, with 2 tax deductions.).

It was the damned school that put them into dangerous territory: $2000/month makes them unsustainable. $24k/YEAR FOR FUCKING PRE-SCHOOL?!?!?!?

This case is all about the money, but honestly, it is also about ridiculous financial decision making. How hard would it have been to get the kids into public school? Certainly Bella would have been eligible for public kindergarten. Cece would have been too young. But even if Cece were in day care, they would have been able to get her into daycare for about 1/2 of what they were paying. Shanann was insane.

by Anonymousreply 341January 6, 2019 10:38 PM

Agree with r341 - it’s mostly about money and that third pregnancy threw him over the edge.

by Anonymousreply 342January 6, 2019 10:43 PM

Practice makes perfect!😂 just might bid on that house to promote my business. Not kidding. The taxes are next to nothing. Also I know my site and vids will get attention. Checking into it now.

by Anonymousreply 343January 6, 2019 11:36 PM

You should do it, r343! Just do an exorcism of the house to get the spirit of Shanann out so she won't be trying to sell you Thrive from beyond the grave.

by Anonymousreply 344January 6, 2019 11:42 PM

I'd be freaked out to live in a house where people were murdered. I wouldn't even want to live next door.

by Anonymousreply 345January 6, 2019 11:44 PM

R341, Scooby was such a suckup. That woman was so far up Shanannas ass. Did she admire her that much? It seems that all those Thrive cunts described themselves as her “best friend”. Ugh.

That fucking snob (with no reason to be) thought they were too good to go to public school. I’m sure the schools in that area aren’t terrible.

If he hadn’t killed them, he’d have been driven further into the poorhouse. Another bankruptcy as soon as it was legally possible. She would have been chasing her tail even harder once the kids were in real school.

by Anonymousreply 346January 7, 2019 12:59 AM

Well R346 she was the only one in decent shape.

by Anonymousreply 347January 7, 2019 1:59 AM

R346, relatively speaking... Nichol was in better shape. Then again, she didn’t have two kids in four years.

In my neck of the woods, Shanann would be one of the heftier moms.

by Anonymousreply 348January 7, 2019 2:29 AM

Here r345. I think this little bit of spookery could give you the jitters.

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by Anonymousreply 349January 7, 2019 2:33 AM

the average American woman now weighs 166 pounds. Shanann was at the low end of hefty moms.

by Anonymousreply 350January 7, 2019 2:33 AM

Shanann was the only Thrive Warrior who looked good. Everyone else looks out of a Halloween sideshow.

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by Anonymousreply 351January 7, 2019 2:37 AM

Shanann is the only one taller than she wide. How were these women supposed to sell Thrive looking like stuffed porkchops?

by Anonymousreply 352January 7, 2019 2:40 AM

That's the million dollar question R352. Do you wanna be HEALTHY? THRIVE WITH US!

by Anonymousreply 353January 7, 2019 2:42 AM

R350, good lord.

Colorado is one of the states with the lowest rates of adult obesity. Guess Shamann found herself a pocket of anomalies that made her look thin.

by Anonymousreply 354January 7, 2019 2:51 AM

Shanann's problem was that she was consumed with keeping up with--or doing better than--the Joneses. She had to have the best of everything. The best house, the best car, the best clothes and accessories, the best schools for her kids. She was very materialistic. Those things were just props in facade of her perfect life, which she relentlessly self promoted. Maybe she was even a compulsive spender. That behavior would actually be congruent with the mlm participation.

Besides, it doesn't make sense to have expensive clothes and furniture when you have two toddlers; young kids are programmed to make messes and accidentally destroy things.

by Anonymousreply 355January 7, 2019 5:54 AM

No need to dissect this case further. This heartfelt song says it all.

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by Anonymousreply 356January 7, 2019 6:35 AM

I don't think anyone could look or act more guilty than Chris does in these videos, it's ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 357January 7, 2019 7:00 AM

R355, of course you resent Shannan because you're looking at this from your low rent standards. You say:

- She had to have the best of everything. The best house, the best car, the best clothes and accessories, the best schools for her kids. She was very materialistic. Those things were just props in facade of her perfect life, which she relentlessly self promoted. Besides, it doesn't make sense to have expensive clothes and furniture when you have two toddlers; young kids are programmed to make messes and accidentally destroy things"

Exposing your own lower class existence. You're pathetic.

The best house? Best car, accessories, clothes, best schools, expensive clothes, furniture?

My version of such material items is 2 homes, one in the most exclusive neighborhoods in the NE, a mercedes, bergdorf goodman vetements and furniture that worth more than the dump you reside in. Could buy you and sell you. Take your envy elsewhere you unwashed have-not cretin. Admitting freely to your own low bar and standards. No wonder you're obsessed with dead woman.

by Anonymousreply 358January 7, 2019 7:18 AM

Eric D, r357, no kidding.

And it seems like absolutely everyone thought that. I’m especially horrified for the Thayers, as creepy as they are, who let them sleep in the same house as their child. Imagine? I know he wasn’t an indiscriminate killer, but still.

by Anonymousreply 359January 7, 2019 9:29 AM

Unless the kid was asking "Uncle Chris" for candy money, I don't think there was much danger, R359.

by Anonymousreply 360January 7, 2019 11:21 AM

R351, look at scooby in that picture. Never saw a woman trying harder. She WANTED Shanann's thrive-life. Not the real life, the Thrive life. She bought into it, and was clearly going to try to paint an ever improving picture her own damned self, thanks very much, Hon.

Aside from the shared bizarre fixation on Thrive, what is shocking is the low self-esteem these slovenly thrivers seem to have. The exceptions are people like Shanann and Scooby, for whom there are no limits to the lengths to which they will go to achieve thrive-defined goals. Obsession? No problem! In fact, it's the goal!

Spooky how it's self-selecting for insanity.

by Anonymousreply 361January 7, 2019 11:28 AM

one month after Shanann died.

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by Anonymousreply 362January 7, 2019 1:22 PM

That's right my little turnip, R316, lying to the FBI. She lied to the SEC too, but they convicted her of lying to tthe FBI. Hope your sides have recovered.

" Trial and Conviction Martha Stewart repeatedly denied any wrongdoing, claiming that she had an agreement with her broker to sell the shares if they went below a certain price. However, Bacanovic's assistant asserted he was told to tip her off. Stewart was charged with securities fraud, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy. She was indicted in June 2003, and the case went to trial in January 2004.

Stewart was not convicted for criminal insider trading charges, although she later had to pay $195,000 to settle a civil case with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In her criminal case, she was found guilty of conspiracy, obstruction of justice and lying to federal investigators in March 2004. The securities fraud charge (related to boosting the stock of her own company) was dismissed."

by Anonymousreply 363January 7, 2019 1:47 PM

LOL, R358. I wouldn't say I'm "low-class". I make probably the same amount that the Watts couple made annually. I'm single, but I live in a city with a higher standard of living. I don't make a lot of money, but then again, I don't spend it ALL on shit that I can't afford. I live in a 1-bedroom apartment, and I drive an 18-year-old car. Since I haven't blown my money on materialistic crap trying to impress everyone else, I have two years' worth of salary in my savings account. My life's not perfect or glamorous, and I'm not wealthy, but I can sleep at night not having to worry about money. Even if were laid off for 6 months or even a year, I'd be OK while searching for my next job.

A family of four does not need a Mcmansion. They could have lived in a small but cute starter house with a lower mortgage payment while they saved money. Public school is good enough for elementary school. Hold off on private school until middle school and high school. A Lexus is nice, but a Toyota or Honda is just as reliable.

by Anonymousreply 364January 7, 2019 1:47 PM

R358, if you truly were the aristocratic ideal you think yourself, you would know that the poster you reference was making a statement of Shanann's goals, and her valuations as they existed in her mind. Even if that were not the case, that you rushed in to flaunt your own stuff suggests that yes, YOU are the classless cretin here.

And by the way: old money would consider your crap nothing more than the affectations of the nouveau riche.

by Anonymousreply 365January 7, 2019 1:53 PM

R365 but New Canaan, prole.😂

by Anonymousreply 366January 7, 2019 2:43 PM

When George & Barbara, along with C.Z and Cornelia Guest are in attendance at your brother's wedding well..you just gave me a shout out R365. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 367January 7, 2019 2:50 PM

C.Z. Guest is a ghetto lezzie from LSA. Barbara Bush is dead, are you obsessing over another dead woman? Take your single-mother-having prole ass out of this upper crust place! You’re probably a Websleuths Clementine trying to press your nose against my New Canaan window!

— r365

by Anonymousreply 368January 7, 2019 9:06 PM

Apologies to r365. I meant r366.

But what can you expect from dead-end uneducated ghetto trash? We get confused.

by Anonymousreply 369January 7, 2019 9:07 PM

r358 sounds like a Thriver with her super amazing life.

by Anonymousreply 370January 8, 2019 12:50 AM

R356, that song is in very poor taste. Shame on you for posting that shit here!

by Anonymousreply 371January 8, 2019 2:11 AM

R371 You must be new here if you think that song constitutes "poor taste" on the DL.

by Anonymousreply 372January 8, 2019 2:59 AM

Anyone else thinks that **Green** makes CW look washed out.

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by Anonymousreply 373January 8, 2019 3:00 AM

The DL Fashion Police concur: green is not Watt's color. A deep blood red would be dashing on him.

by Anonymousreply 374January 8, 2019 3:03 AM

According to one Reddit post: CW is at Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage, WI, where Jeffrey Dahmer was murdered.

by Anonymousreply 375January 8, 2019 3:38 AM

Fuck, this man obliterated 4 souls off the face of the earth. That's fucking insane, and he did it for some not very attractive chick. Let that sink in, he didn't even get to relish his freedom before being caught. What a fucking waste. He should kill himself, seriously.

by Anonymousreply 376January 8, 2019 3:39 AM

R373, Chris's lack of a soul makes him look washed out, not the color of his prison uniform.

by Anonymousreply 377January 8, 2019 5:21 AM

I personally think redemption is possible for almost anyone, even CW. I might make exceptions for the bushes, the cheneys ----- the general war criminal class of people responsible for causing untold millions to suffer and die, with absolute impunity and callous disregard. I don't think redemption is possible for those people because they do not believe they have done a single thing wrong. CW knows, and I believe is ashamed and for that reason, I think he can contribute to society and possibly make a difference in the world, for the better.

But that could just be idiocy on my part.....

by Anonymousreply 378January 8, 2019 5:53 AM

R355 Everything you said was 100% on target and true. If Chris made 400k a year, she could still spend them into the poor house in no time flat. She was relentless, and it destroyed their marriage.

by Anonymousreply 379January 8, 2019 6:35 AM

R358 A Mercedes? How quaint.

by Anonymousreply 380January 8, 2019 12:45 PM

[quote] But that could just be idiocy on my part.....

Probably, yes.

The only thing Chris is sorry about is getting caught. If he was in a position of power, like the Bushes and Cheneys of your example, he would be just as callous as them. Don't confuse his mediocre talents, means and intelligence, and the fact his crime was at a low level, with being capable of any redemption. He's where he should be.

by Anonymousreply 381January 8, 2019 4:55 PM

A pretty brave post-grad psych person just posted, on Reddit (ShannanWatts), a detailed observation of Shan’ann and Chris. Thread locked, of course. But the post suspected Shan’ann as Histronic Personality Disorder with possibly Factitious Disorder and Factitious Disorder Imposed Upon Another.

Chris is maybe Personality Dependant Disordered. Or just overwhelmed.

It’s nice to see a clinical post that doesn’t canonize Shan’ann.

by Anonymousreply 382January 9, 2019 12:21 AM

Can u link to it r382

by Anonymousreply 383January 9, 2019 12:23 AM

Here you go R383

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by Anonymousreply 384January 9, 2019 12:39 AM

Very interesting @r384, thanks for posting.

On another note. It’s amazing that media outlets are still running with Trent Bolte’s story.

The DA confirmed (at the press conference after the sentencing) that they were unable to validate the existence of any other relationships or sexual encounters between Chris and anyone other than NK.

Which means, they had computer forensics look through his phone, and found nothing to substantiate his claims.

Yet, in the age of clickbait “journalism”, we get this nonsense/hilarity:

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by Anonymousreply 385January 9, 2019 12:44 AM

R356 wow that song wraps it all up perfectly

by Anonymousreply 386January 9, 2019 2:49 AM

R381, I never said CW was sorry. I said he was ashamed. There is a big difference. But that he can feel shame ("please don't think less of my father.") suggests he is at least accessible. Somewhere is in his mental illness is the small shard of moral compass that makes the average person shake their heads in shock at what he's done.

I suspect Dick Cheney has no such shard of moral compass.

by Anonymousreply 387January 9, 2019 5:05 AM

^ Perhaps you should write to Chris and offer a tender and loving blowjob to compel him towards his repentance.

by Anonymousreply 388January 9, 2019 5:25 AM

When is this case going to trial so Chris can clear his name?

by Anonymousreply 389January 9, 2019 5:26 AM

R385 I can't imagine what shitty lips you'd have to have to think that alternative is better.

by Anonymousreply 390January 9, 2019 5:35 AM

There’s nothing left to say about this, is there?

by Anonymousreply 391January 9, 2019 1:23 PM

^ No. He plead. He's locked up for life. There won't ever be a trial. The "document dump" has been fine combed through. Until Dateline and 48 Hours get ahold of it, the entertainment factor has been played out.

And this thread has devolved into a few morons fixated on a conspiracy theory that NK was somehow "let off." I guess that's what's keeping the interest alive for some people. Like the ones on the Joey Communale thread fixated on it being a gay rape cover-up instead of the boring, senseless beatdown it actually was.

by Anonymousreply 392January 9, 2019 1:57 PM

R390-R393 is right on the money. And those 💋👄😅

by Anonymousreply 393January 9, 2019 2:16 PM

How do you know what it was ?

by Anonymousreply 394January 9, 2019 4:08 PM

Chris Watts lips, that's the lips he had before. Like a gash for a mouth. Slit in the face.

Ironically, those of the chicken lips are quick to point out another with a slim smile. But the person they're focusing on actually have more lip surface area than the vulgar, judgemental person.

Sometimes guys who wear mustache/goatee forget after awhile how lacking they are in the mouth area. The assault when they dare go clean shaven. Can't look them in the face. Don't know where to look. Become nervously, frantically focused on something else. It's sometimes a pencil line for a top lip. It's not the end all but when it's paired with a large nose and lifeless eyes then surgical measures would be advised.

Lip augmentation like botox and fillers is an art form. Few have the gift which is why you bite the bullet and see a specialist. ^The pathological, fantastical liar above didn't. Can you imagine being subjected to such a poor decision maker? Imagine the mythic tales he spins all day, every day.

by Anonymousreply 395January 9, 2019 4:08 PM

the shanann is a saint trolls are back.

we await new data, which may take a long time to appear. Things like the recordof google searches, the LeVel financials of Shanann's "career" with them, the announcement of new battery adjacent to the Wyndham park development, DA campaign contributions from Big Oil (and Anadarko in particular), and of course, NK's book deal. Oh and undoubtedly, Scooby's win as Thrive saleswoman of the year. Perhaps a reality show as well?

To name just a few.

by Anonymousreply 396January 9, 2019 4:19 PM

R382, they can say whatever they want about SW being untruthful but that thing with the lip lawsuit (no moral clinician perpetuates sins as that lip augmentation) is the real disordered individual with regard to fibbing. Shannan was a tad greedy so her motivation was rooted in a reality of the almighty dollar.

by Anonymousreply 397January 9, 2019 4:19 PM

No. I wa talking about Joey’s murder being a senseless murder not gay relegated at all. I think the rape was a possible motive and there had to be some kind of reason.

by Anonymousreply 398January 9, 2019 4:32 PM

They can not be avoided those pathological liars. You knew a budding case in school or your neighborhood growing up. Not a soul is exempt from this experience. As a child you eventually avoided them only to have a loved one date one later in life or happen upon in work related instances. We all have encountered a Trent Bolt one time or another. Some interesting theories re: causes and symptoms of one who just habitually lies with no reward or end game in the equation.

I've only suffered these fools in situations where and when powerless to escape. The primary school classmate being the first. Unfortunately one lived a block over and shared the bus ride.

by Anonymousreply 399January 9, 2019 4:32 PM

R392, I still think NK is shady and toxic, but there’s no proof she did anything besides fuck a married man. That’s not illegal, so I’m not giving it any more thought. If she was any more involved than that, she was smart enough (unlike Chris) to cover herself, that’s the way it goes.

And her life is pretty much ruined for now, so she’s been punished, IMO.

by Anonymousreply 400January 9, 2019 4:49 PM

I'm currently distancing myself from a steady client. I'm the business owner but when he starts up with his booze and pills he starts bs'ing and name dropping. Used to be highly insulting as he's spewing at you in a condescending tone as though you were raised in a shack out in bumpfuksville. Even when you gently cop to being aware of his "quirk" and penchant for evading all truth when he's lit up, doesn't faze him. He's 56. Fifty fucking six.

by Anonymousreply 401January 9, 2019 4:50 PM

NK wasn't in on the act. Her reaction afterwards is actually one of trauma. Gonna be a wicked case of CPTSD. Dumb bitch.

by Anonymousreply 402January 9, 2019 6:07 PM

R382, the moderator who runs that SW subreddit is a c*unty Frau powertripper. WHY have a place for discussion when you're NEVER allowed to discuss anything???? Her list of rules and regulations are ridiculous and endless, i.e., talked about too much, only allowed to discuss a topic once, even if it was months ago, no opinions on what conditions any of them had/have (unless you're a doctor), et cetera. I guess this is her one moment to shine, so she needs to insert herself in EVERY post and then predictably lock it down. After all the hype dies down, back to Frauville oblivion, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 403January 9, 2019 7:06 PM

R390 right?

by Anonymousreply 404January 9, 2019 7:29 PM

Ladies - this thread is OVER. Everything you need to know about this case is in this song.

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by Anonymousreply 405January 9, 2019 10:23 PM

Nah, R405, sex was just a tiny part of this (no pun intended. We never did get those cock pix, did we? THAT alone should have DLers conspiring to assassinate that fucking DA). There is SOOOO much more involved here. And nothing supports that more than the lightning speed at which this case was expedited. Have got to wonder just how much risk as involved here, and who stood to lose the most in having secrets and motivations uncovered.....

by Anonymousreply 406January 10, 2019 2:24 AM

Stupid stupid Chris. How was your 48 hours of freedom??

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by Anonymousreply 407January 10, 2019 3:16 AM

Here's SW in a neckbrace promoting THRIVE.

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by Anonymousreply 408January 10, 2019 3:23 AM

Am I remembering correctly that the autopsy reports on Bella and Celeste had no mention of the conditions they were reported to have had surgery to correct? Does that mean it was corrected by surgery, therefore no mention? Or is that proof SW made them have unnecessary surgery?

by Anonymousreply 409January 10, 2019 1:02 PM

R408 Oh my f**king God! She is a frigging nut case.

by Anonymousreply 410January 10, 2019 1:58 PM

Can anyone find the video where she keeps calling her oven her "onion" and her eyes are darting all over the place? I can't find it anymore.

by Anonymousreply 411January 10, 2019 4:31 PM

R409, I read in a FB discussion that there are “clinical” and “forensic” autopsies. Apparently there’s some difference. The autopsies in this case were “forensic”.

What I interpreted from the autopsies is that the examiner left out some information.

For instance, one of the kids supposedly had EOE which is an abnormally narrow esophagus. Not mentioned. Neither was the absence of both girls’ adenoids, which had been (ostensibly) removed earlier in 2018. (Shanann posted about it on FB of course!). No mention of any of Shanann’s organs being affected by the ravages of nearly a decade of lupus.

But then again, the ME wasn’t looking for that kind of information, so maybe it wasn’t relevant to the cause of death. And yet again, what the hell do I know?

by Anonymousreply 412January 10, 2019 5:18 PM

R403, that moderator is a petty martinet. Some people get a teensy bit of power and go crazy with it.

by Anonymousreply 413January 10, 2019 5:39 PM

A little update, don’t know how credible this is.

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by Anonymousreply 414January 10, 2019 5:47 PM

One thing I noticed from watching her videos is that her kids always seem to have parallel illnesses/hospitalizations/surgeries.

How is it that BOTH need adenoid surgery at the same time? BOTH need to be taken to the ER on the same night? BOTH need breathing machines and masks?

R408, I love how she pulled her hair up in the beginning of the video ..... just in case there was a chance you might miss her neck brace. LOLOLOLOL. I'm embarrassed to admit I've watched almost all of her videos, and I've NEVER seen her do that before. In fact, there are only maybe three videos of her dozens and dozens that she has her hair up at all.

by Anonymousreply 415January 10, 2019 5:50 PM

@r412 thanks for clearing that up. I wasn’t sure how much to read into the autopsy.

by Anonymousreply 416January 10, 2019 5:51 PM

R415, holy moly, I didn’t really notice that, but now that you point it out, you’re right. Unless it’s something communicable (flu, stomach virus, cold).

One theory that is NOT Munchhausen’s is: their cheaply-constructed home was making the kids sick with respiratory and autoimmune symptoms. Building materials and things like Chinese-made drywall and carpet and fiberboard furniture give off toxic fumes. Shanann didn’t seem like the type to open the doors and windows, to air the place out, so they were probably cooped up with all those chemical gases.

Or, she was a Munchhausen-y mom and enjoyed the backpats. As for her “lupus”, I’m not buying it. And her “fertility” issues: three pregnancies in five years? Yeah, that’s not how it works.

She was scamming.

by Anonymousreply 417January 10, 2019 8:37 PM

If you read that academic analysis of the Watts, they have got shanann down pat. Ironically, SW seems the more disturbed of tje two, and capable of driving someone batshit craxy enough to annihilate his whole damned famiy.

by Anonymousreply 418January 10, 2019 9:03 PM

It’s the latter, r417. We don’t have Chinese drywall problems in Colorado as it is sooooooo dry and a 2013 house built by Windham doesn't have it. Also, the “fertility drugs” were most likely Clomid, which is common to make periods regular after coming off birth control pills. It’s so easy to get.

Shanann’s spleen was glistening and liver/kidneys just fine and free from the ravages of Lupus. CeCe didn’t have a tiny esophagus eroded by reflux. Chris didn’t have CANCER of the genitals, my bet. I doubt the whole dead-by-aphilatic-shock from tree nut allergies as well, since Sandra Rzucek couldn’t even get a peanut allergy separate from tree nuts. Funny how Sandra got so confused about tree nuts vs peanuts, when it was DEATHLY.

Sandra’s letter to the DA was about peanuts. The girls were fed peanut butter, as evidenced by Shanann’s two videos making Thrive bites with peanut butter and the Jif jar in the pantry, per the police video.

Shan’ann was a lying con.

by Anonymousreply 419January 10, 2019 9:05 PM

I honestly think Shan’ann got a thrill out of the con. She liked it. Thus she chose to quit her real job and “help other” by “sharing” LE-Vel Thrive.

Everything was a con - the tire job with Hirsh; the NC house purchased with little down and sold undervalue; Chris buying the Frederick house by himself with little down and without Shan'ann on the deed until later; the illnesses which conveniently can’t be proven or disproven - Lupus, fibromyalgia, migraines, gluten intolerance, infertility, diabetes; her pregnancy “issues” of being suddenly so vomiting sick when Chris visited; the girls’ tree allergies/peanut allergies; the assertion that Cindy and Jamie Watts deliberately sabatoged the engagement party with gluten and then didn’t mail wedding invites; the bankruptcy after charging up retail junk to fill the McMansion; going through a nursing program on student loans and then quitting while ignoring student loan obligations; buying more and more stuff on new credit cards to the point they were maxed out and making minimal payments; quitting her job while “so ill” with Celeste and latching onto multiple MLMs, having her parents sell everything except their house and move in for FIFTEEN months while THEY filed for BK; asserting Chris had gential CANCER and SHE SAVED his life; trying to slip out of HOA dues while getting sued, perhaps asserting the new-construction dust was unbearable; and painting a picture of success in her live videos while bills went unpaid.

Oh this gal liked getting the confidence of others. For personal glee, personal control, financial skipping, and “winning.”

I just cannot imagine the bills, past-due notices, and HOA lawsuit letters coming in while Chris was alone in the summer of 2018. I think he got woke. And went frickin crazy.

by Anonymousreply 420January 10, 2019 9:48 PM

R420, Doesn't every couple with "fertility issues" get pregnant the second time they try?

by Anonymousreply 421January 10, 2019 10:24 PM

R420,you nailed it. She liked getting over on people.

I first wondered how she did everything. DUH. She delegated everything and took the credit.

Look at all the shit she had Scooby Nickole doing! Selling her Thrive for her, watching her kids, chauffeuring her to and from the airport, escorting her to the doctor, handling her mail. We all know how Chris was cooking and cleaning and doing yard work. And child care while she was jetting around with the Thrive Fatty Squad.

She had a real racket going on every corner.

What a gangsta.

I’d LOVE to know what she was up to with those tire shop people...

by Anonymousreply 422January 10, 2019 11:18 PM

She must have picked up these traits from her childhood, don't you think? Her parents have something to do with it and her brother seems a little touched although I feel sorry for him.

by Anonymousreply 423January 10, 2019 11:22 PM

R423, her mother seems very controlling, too. Maybe she enjoyed getting over on her mom? Duper’s delight?

by Anonymousreply 424January 10, 2019 11:30 PM

Breakout thread on Shan'ann here.

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by Anonymousreply 425January 11, 2019 12:03 AM

Well finally, proof the dick pix exist. DA apparently holding on to them.

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by Anonymousreply 426January 12, 2019 5:47 PM

At R408, that's a thumb print black and blue on her arm. Typical of DV victims.

by Anonymousreply 427January 12, 2019 6:22 PM

Our favorite yenta / showgirl / life coach was arrested in New Orleans for theft!

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by Anonymousreply 428January 14, 2019 5:30 AM

CW's ugly brown truck hits the auction block.

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by Anonymousreply 429January 15, 2019 12:01 AM

The house is going on the auction block in 2 months, I believe and the initial price has been slashed by more than 50%!!

by Anonymousreply 430January 15, 2019 5:25 AM

Who the hell is gonna buy a "transported dead bodies" truck

by Anonymousreply 431January 15, 2019 5:52 AM

All the Lev girls are shapeless chubbs so I guess is not about loosing weight. SW was the only pretty one. What a mistery of a case 🤷🏻‍♂️

by Anonymousreply 432January 15, 2019 12:42 PM

A good buy is a good buy, R431. It isn't like you're still hauling them around.

by Anonymousreply 433January 15, 2019 3:27 PM

Scooby Nickole wishing late friend Shanann a Happy Birthday

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by Anonymousreply 434January 16, 2019 12:44 AM

I was awake at 1AM and flipping the channels when I see the Dr Oz show is on and devoting the hour to CW. They have the neighbor who had the camera footage of CW loading his truck. The interview was pretty mediocre - Oz didn't ask anything new and the neighbor just told the same story, how it was odd that CW pulled the truck into the driveway, that CW was talkative and nervous and constantly on his phone instead of staring at the screen looking for clues to his "missing" family. He said he was suspicious that CW was so nervous and swaying. He did say that he embellished a little that they fought all the time - now he;s changing it to they they fought like any other married couple. Oz asked him about CW;s affairs - the neighbor said he didnt know about any of that. He did say that he considers CW a monster.

The rest of the show was examining CW's darker side of affairs, bankruptcy and secrets. I turned the channel before that started as I really can't stomach Dr Oz

by Anonymousreply 435January 16, 2019 5:14 AM

I think if CW had gone to trial and had normal white men (gay or straight) on the jury, he'd have been acquitted or possibly guilty on a lesser charge. Because quite frankly, they would have thought expedient. Not pathological. I think his job trained him to think that way: identify the problem, solve it for optimal outcome as quickly as possible. Bottom line is profitability. Shanann was a leaking oil well. she would have led to a giant financial mess. Killing the kids was the cost of doing business. He killed them a painlessly a possible (I think he gave them drugs) and then plugged up the leak (Shanann).

I think what makes him scary is not his planning to kill them all (I would be willing to bet there are tons of men who think the exact same way, think about how they would off the wife, etc), but his arrogance in thinking he would get away with it and in thinking that presenting his squeaky clean "good guy" self to law enforcement would put him beyond suspicion. Never lawyered up. THAT is the mental illness here.

The fraus of the world might not want to hear it, but probably the only thing that keeps this from being absolutely common, is the threat of prison. Most guys do not think they could get away with it.

by Anonymousreply 436January 16, 2019 4:00 PM

But the funny thing is R436, usually when a guy kills his wife/partner/family, he lasts longer before getting caught. Even Scott Peterson, who was suspicious as fuck, stayed out of jail for 6 months.

by Anonymousreply 437January 16, 2019 5:18 PM

The National Enquirer is now saying there is a great likelihood that Scott Peterson killed two other women before killing Lacey. So he had reason to believe he could get away with it.

I think the only reason Chris Watts caved as quickly as he did is because he kept trying to be excused as "the good boy". He never got a lawyer! What kind of idiot in America takes a lie detector test and never gets a lawyer???? It is crazy! Being the good guy had never failed him in his entire life, and he just couldn't believe it wouldn't work in this case.

by Anonymousreply 438January 16, 2019 10:57 PM

Yeah, but it’ll be a bitch to peel the Thrive stickers off of the dashboard and bumper R433.

by Anonymousreply 439January 16, 2019 11:13 PM

R439, I'm sure they make the truck run even better.

by Anonymousreply 440January 16, 2019 11:43 PM

Theres a big profitable underground biz for famous macabre items such as a murder truck that hauled 3 bodies in a very well known famous case such as the Watt story.

by Anonymousreply 441January 17, 2019 12:02 AM

Theres a big profitable underground biz for famous macabre items such as a murder truck that hauled 3 bodies in a very well known famous case such as the Watt story.

by Anonymousreply 442January 17, 2019 12:02 AM

*matrix

by Anonymousreply 443January 17, 2019 12:03 AM

I am thinking this truck might just be the piece de resistance we have needed all along!

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by Anonymousreply 444January 17, 2019 2:38 AM

Excellent interview with Chrissy's ex. In particular, "I hate that he cheated but when you're beaten down every day...."

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by Anonymousreply 445January 17, 2019 2:52 AM

R445: The cheating, not the murders, upset this person.

by Anonymousreply 446January 17, 2019 3:17 AM

Chris ruined his life, he should never have pled guilty, very sad.

by Anonymousreply 447January 17, 2019 4:35 AM

Yes R447 THAT's the sad part

by Anonymousreply 448January 17, 2019 7:25 AM

Found a guy on Youtube who does a very entertaining recap of the Watts case. He does it with humor that's not disrespectful to the victims - his focus is highlighting how stupid CW is ("the guy is like a stoic lizard"). He praises the LE team and loves Tammy the lie detector giver.

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by Anonymousreply 449January 27, 2019 5:55 PM

His brutally murdered children are crying for him r447....

by Anonymousreply 450January 27, 2019 5:59 PM

If he had been smarter, he wouldn't have even needed to be smarter about killing them and trying to get away with it because he would have been smart enough to either 1) get himself out of the horrible situation of being involved with Shan'ann''nnnna'aaa without resorting to killing them all, or 2) never have been involved with that shady grifter from the very beginning. I'm sure he rues the day he ever met her.

by Anonymousreply 451January 27, 2019 6:38 PM

R451, that’s the truth.

by Anonymousreply 452January 28, 2019 8:58 PM

Dr. Phil today talked about the number of fan letters Chris is getting from women and I would imagine some men as well.

by Anonymousreply 453January 28, 2019 10:08 PM

Chris is super hot, if they allowed conjugal visits, I would be the first in line!

by Anonymousreply 454January 29, 2019 2:37 AM

Not "super hot" anymore, r454. Saw recent receipts of CW prison purchases, and it was pure junk being purchased - Lots of cookies, cakes and cheap and nasty high calorie processed desserts. And soft drinks.

by Anonymousreply 455January 29, 2019 8:47 PM

BUMP!!

by Anonymousreply 456February 3, 2019 10:28 AM

I’m sure a divorce from Shan’ann and “abandoning his kids” (while still paying child support) seems like the easiest thing in the world for Chris Watts compared to the life in actual prison that he is facing now!

What an idiot...

by Anonymousreply 457February 3, 2019 10:31 AM

R457, yeah, it would have been better for him, but prison probably fulfills his need to be someone’s bitch.

by Anonymousreply 458February 3, 2019 12:48 PM

I just saw on the local Denver news that Chris Watts gave police new information on why he killed Shann’nan And the kids

But, the news didn’t sat what it was

by Anonymousreply 459February 28, 2019 11:07 PM

I'd venture to guess...he's tried elaborating on the story that he caught her strangling his babies.

by Anonymousreply 460February 28, 2019 11:17 PM

Chris Watts' father, Ronnie Watts, said his son did not tell him the details about the conversation, but Ronnie Watts told ABC News Thursday, "In my heart I know he didn't kill those girls."

Ronnie Watts said his son calls him every night and "knows the Bible inside and out."

Dad is more nutso than old Trent

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by Anonymousreply 461February 28, 2019 11:59 PM

I hope he finally realized how stupid he was to cover for his mistress and he’s rolling over on her so she can go to prison, too.

It’s a hope. I don’t care what anyone says, she had more to do with those murders than she pretended to.

by Anonymousreply 462March 1, 2019 12:47 AM

But really, the case is closed. He’s in prison for life, no appeals. Unless he was just adding details to his confession because he found Jesus and wants to come clean... He could write a book and donate the money to the Rzuceks. The detectives on a closed case are not going to spend precious time and money to fly to another state just so some murderer can give the gory details and unburden his conscience. Can’t he do that with a public defender?

Why is he talking to detectives?

by Anonymousreply 463March 1, 2019 12:54 AM

Then he must be rolling over.

by Anonymousreply 464March 1, 2019 1:21 AM

Maybe he didn't really do it.

by Anonymousreply 465March 1, 2019 2:50 AM

[quote] Chris Watts' father, Ronnie Watts, said his son did not tell him the details about the conversation, but Ronnie Watts told ABC News Thursday, "In my heart I know he didn't kill those girls."

Mmkay, Dad.

I doubt Chris is "rolling over" on the mistress. Mostly because she had nothing to do with it. But the average fat frau with a cheating husband is desperate for Watts'annoying mistress to "be involved somehow" in plotting the murder of a woman and two children just to have him all to herself. Mmkay, frauen.

He's probably just trying out a better version of the bullshit story of catching his wife strangling her young children to death as revenge on him because he asked for a divorce. Psh!

Ordinarily I'd think he was a moron for believing anyone would fall for that, but apparently some of you ninnies would (looking at you r465).

by Anonymousreply 466March 1, 2019 3:35 AM

Shannan was actually rather lucky to get a hot man like Chris for the time that she had him.

by Anonymousreply 467March 1, 2019 5:35 AM

R467 Chris was a fat cow when she married him. It seems she sculpted and trained him into being a hot guy for a while. He did whatever she told him to.

by Anonymousreply 468March 1, 2019 5:41 AM

R466, I’d be surprised if three lead detectives on a case that’s closed would travel to another state to hear embellishments from a murderer who’s been convicted.

Wouldn’t he just meet with his lawyer and give a sworn statement? It seems like overkill for three investigators to spend the time and money to assuage the killer’s conscience.

Would he get some sort of privilege for revealing more information?

by Anonymousreply 469March 1, 2019 10:58 AM

According to People, a bunch of LE did in fact travel to meet Chris:

"A statement to PEOPLE form the Colorado Bureau of Investigation confirms authorities met with Watts, 33, on February 18. Officials from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Frederick Police Department were also present."

"The CBI prepared a report on the interview, which will be released to the media next week."

I would be very surprised if he told them anything other than more "details" about how she killed their kids or how he killed her in self defense.

I would be shocked if he tries to drag his mistress into it. I still don't believe the dumb bitch had anything to do with it other than unwittingly inspiring him to free himself in order to be with her.

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by Anonymousreply 470March 1, 2019 6:49 PM

Well, we will have to wait until March 7th...

by Anonymousreply 471March 1, 2019 9:41 PM

March 8, r471.

by Anonymousreply 472March 1, 2019 9:52 PM

Looking forward to a new installment of information.

by Anonymousreply 473March 1, 2019 10:38 PM

Wow! This is my “favorite” true crime case from the past few years and now there’s another twist! I know—Mary! But this is kind of exciting....

by Anonymousreply 474March 2, 2019 12:03 AM

BUMP!!

by Anonymousreply 475March 2, 2019 5:47 AM

Here's the thread to dish about Shan'ann...

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by Anonymousreply 476March 2, 2019 5:54 AM

R468 speaks the truth.

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by Anonymousreply 477March 2, 2019 6:44 PM

Those poor kids weren’t going to have happy lives. Bella was a nervous wreck, so unsure of herself, afraid to upset her mom. And Celeste seemed to be developmentally off, kind of manic. Obviously they’d have been better off alive, but.

Shanann was going to Munchhausen little Nico, and they’d have to fall to the wayside.

by Anonymousreply 478March 3, 2019 2:35 AM

Bella was exactly like Chris, a cute little girl but also a quiet psycho who had to search for social cues just like Chris. Bella copied her younger sister all the time. Cece, the little wild one, was like Shanann, very confident and on the go, though she was still a scatter brained toddler. It's uncanny how similar the kids were to the parents.

by Anonymousreply 479March 3, 2019 6:44 AM

At least those genes won't be living on to reproduce, harsh as it sounds.

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by Anonymousreply 481March 4, 2019 10:34 PM

Ir gets worse....

"Bella reportedly spent her final moments begging her father to spare her life. "

by Anonymousreply 482March 4, 2019 10:37 PM

Jesus Christ what a scene this must have been. It takes a few minutes to strangle someone. Bella walking in while he was in the act is horrific.

by Anonymousreply 483March 4, 2019 10:44 PM

So is this claiming it was a crime of passion?

by Anonymousreply 484March 4, 2019 10:45 PM

Exactly, r483. DM article states Shanann (sp?) threatened that CW would never see his kids again. That likely pushed him over the edge in those early morning hours.

r481/r482

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by Anonymousreply 486March 5, 2019 12:14 AM

Wasn't there proof that he'd been planning it though? Like he prepped the disposal site or something?

by Anonymousreply 487March 5, 2019 12:21 AM

R487, that’s what makes this so interesting to me. I think he had some half-baked plan already.

by Anonymousreply 488March 5, 2019 3:23 AM

Watching the Dr Phil episode now regarding CW and DANG! This POS now says that Bella and Cece were alive in the truck when he drove to the oil tanks and he smothered them when he got there. Bella watched CW kill her sister, and begged "Daddy, don't do that to me". One reason this new confession has come public is that Shannann's parents wanted this out so the world doesn't believe that their daughter would ever harm her own children.

They also say that NK is still considered a person of interest

by Anonymousreply 489March 5, 2019 7:40 PM

He actually confessed that he killed the girls at the site???

by Anonymousreply 490March 5, 2019 7:43 PM

I mean it's Dr Phil, so I take it with a grain of salt R489. We'll see what the court report says

by Anonymousreply 491March 5, 2019 7:44 PM

The show has Phil along with a panel of lawyers - lawyers that answer to Shannan's parents. They have released the information and approved these lawyers to speak to Phil. So, I would guess that they're telling what CM said. If he's lying, we'll never know but this just makes him look worse - you'd think he'd stick with Shannan killed them.

They say he's spilling because he got religion while in jail and is not doing this to get any kinds of benefits.

by Anonymousreply 492March 5, 2019 7:49 PM

That sounds like fanfic.

by Anonymousreply 493March 5, 2019 7:50 PM

Don't understand why, but this Dr Phil exclusive is a 2-parter which concludes next week with Shannann's parents speaking on camera.

by Anonymousreply 494March 5, 2019 7:54 PM

OMG - the Dr Phil episode just ended with an extended montage of Shanann and the girls, set to some maudlin music. I know Phil is good for milking a situation, but he went over the top on this.

by Anonymousreply 495March 5, 2019 8:03 PM

R495 Over the top is Phil's MO. I went to a taping once and ugh, been grossed out by him ever since. Among other things, the audience had to redo his wife's intro 3 times because the applause wasn't good enough.

by Anonymousreply 496March 5, 2019 8:18 PM

I thought there was video of him loading the truck after he murdered them. We’re the kids at least unconscious when he put them in the truck?

by Anonymousreply 497March 5, 2019 8:36 PM

Dr Phil keeps saying he doesn't want to sensationalize this as he does just that

by Anonymousreply 498March 5, 2019 8:39 PM

I have a feeling this won't exactly match the audio of the detectives' interview that's coming out in a few days. This all sounded very second hand,like the parents were briefed or heard the tape then in turn discussed it with their attorneys who in turn gave the story to Dr.Phil. Chris is also probably still lying about some things.

by Anonymousreply 499March 5, 2019 8:48 PM

R497 - some folks on YT have always thought that it looks like CW was picking up his kids and not just work equipment in the video from his neighbors camera. I just watched some reaction vids and, after his confession, it makes those guesses almost 100% correct.

by Anonymousreply 500March 5, 2019 10:17 PM

It just seems weird he didn’t kill them at the time he was already enraged at SW. To kill them on site really was in cold blood.

by Anonymousreply 501March 6, 2019 7:01 PM

Some of the audio has dropped - here's one from Youtube. It's disconcerting to hear the CBI team laughing it up with this garbage human in the first few minutes.

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by Anonymousreply 502March 7, 2019 5:16 PM

First 10 minutes in and Chris has refuted the Trent story - he never met this guy.

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by Anonymousreply 504March 7, 2019 5:30 PM

Seems like his decision to confess is because of religion - he just said something about a scripture verse. He did get choked up for a minute while talking about reading some scripture verse to one of the kids. It is really hard to hear them talking about these murders like a routine occurrence, and the detectives speaking to CW like an old buddy but I understand they will get more out of him if them talk calmly and conversationally.

by Anonymousreply 505March 7, 2019 5:59 PM

States that he hated being in the Thrive video/livestreams - he says he is an introvert and it made him uncomfortable but understood that Shannan did it for her business.

by Anonymousreply 506March 7, 2019 6:42 PM

That confession was devastating to hear.

by Anonymousreply 507March 7, 2019 7:16 PM

Is there a transcript of his latest confession someone could please link?

by Anonymousreply 508March 7, 2019 7:28 PM

What the HELL Fucks somebody up this bad that they can become this kind of monster? I'm serious. Some kind of Childhood trauma we don't know about, or did this guy always have a wire or two misplaced since birth that made him a Sociopath waiting to snap? Unbelievable.

by Anonymousreply 509March 7, 2019 7:28 PM

He seems like he’s really cut off from his emotions.

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by Anonymousreply 511March 7, 2019 9:29 PM

Hard to believe he has an IQ between 135 and 140.

by Anonymousreply 512March 7, 2019 9:40 PM

He is such a badass. I'm in love even more.

by Anonymousreply 513March 7, 2019 9:45 PM

He says that he thought about suicide after he was in jail, but decided not to because he believes God wants him to live, so that now he can maybe "teach others". Teach others what, he doesn't say, but what an ego on this prick.

by Anonymousreply 514March 7, 2019 9:55 PM

Get to writing r513. He seems pretty picky about his pen pals.

by Anonymousreply 515March 7, 2019 9:56 PM

[quote]It is really hard to hear them talking about these murders like a routine occurrence, and the detectives speaking to CW like an old buddy but I understand they will get more out of him if them talk calmly and conversationally.

Those detectives have a job to do and they know exactly what they're doing.

They're as grossed out by this guy as anybody.

by Anonymousreply 516March 8, 2019 2:28 AM

I think CW is mostly just feeling sorry for himself. He can use religion as the catalyst for his new found insight but there's no real emotional connection to his deceased family. I did have a feeling that he could kill himself - he's a guy who is unmoored emotionally, and now, ironically finds himself in an extremely controlled environment, far, far worse than the controlling environment he despised as husband to SW.

This does not strike me as high IQ. By any stretch.

by Anonymousreply 517March 8, 2019 2:53 AM

I was listening to some reaction vids on YT and one person said something that made me think. CW says that he and SW had sex before the 2nd argument that lead up to the murder. CW said he was in a rage but the YT person said maybe he killed SW out of guilt. He's in love with NK but just made love to his wife, then the guilt of betraying these women clicked in and he turned on SW because he felt like he was cheating on NK.

by Anonymousreply 518March 8, 2019 3:28 AM

If only Chris had found Jesus sooner.

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by Anonymousreply 519March 8, 2019 3:32 AM

Chris is only sorry that he got caught. He found God, my ass.

These were totally premeditated murders, evidenced by the fact that he texted coworkers the night before telling them they didn’t need to show up at the job site early Monday morning.

by Anonymousreply 520March 8, 2019 10:55 AM

ITA he is not being 100% honest about his motives and the preplanning he did before the murders. He also knows this is going to hurt SW’s family even more re their grandchildren.

by Anonymousreply 521March 8, 2019 6:43 PM

'I never knew I could have a relationship with God like I do now...it’s like the amazing grace with all of this, but I just wish nobody had to pay any kind of price for this...I know there is a purpose for everybody, I just hope I can find mine.'

- CW

by Anonymousreply 522March 9, 2019 10:27 AM

Yes I’m sure Jesus is thrilled to death with his new lamb Chris Watts

by Anonymousreply 523March 9, 2019 12:41 PM

I want to read/hear much more about this detailed new confession (and having followed the story from the beginning, I do find this confession and the accompanying details *truly* shocking and horrific: I had no idea what he really put the poor little girls through—and the cruelty and coldness of him towards them is bone chilling.

I really thought that pergaps he had given them a knockout drug and then covered their faces with a large pillow while they were fast asleep in their beds, so they would never know what was really happening to them (or who was doing it) and they wouldn’t “suffer”—in his sick way showing them some kind of mercy :(

That would have been bad enough, but the truth of their murders is so, so much worse....I just don’t get it at all.

I know, MARY!, but I am stunned by the brutal details of their deaths (seeing their mommy and sister murdered by daddy by hand, seeing bodies being dragged around everywhere, being in a car for an hour with their mom’s dead body, being taken to a second kill site, Bella terrified and begging for her life. My God. I knew CW was a monster, but Jesus Christ, I didn’t know he was *this* kind of a monster—no feelings or empathy at all. Really, none. Scary.

Anyway, this ABC article has the best “overall summary” and the most disturbing details of the new confession in one article so far (better than the DM so far), so I thought I’d post it here...

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by Anonymousreply 524March 9, 2019 1:24 PM

Random (sad) details from the ABC story linked above:

“Watts wrapped his wife face-down in a bed sheet and tried to carry her downstairs, but lost his grip and ended up pulling her down the stairs, the report said.

Bella watched her father drag her mother down the stairs and began to cry, and asked, “What’s wrong with mommy?” Watts told investigators.”

Also: “Watts then backed his truck into the driveway and put his wife's body into the backseat on the floorboard, and when he came back inside, his 3-year-old daughter, Celeste, was awake, he told investigators.

Watts told investigators he put both daughters in the back of his truck on the bench seat, and he said Bella asked, “Is mommy okay?”

Bella and Celeste each had a blanket with them and Celeste had a stuffed animal, Watts told police, the report said.

Watts then started to drive to the oil site where he had worked, and during the ride, his daughters dozed off and on and laid in each other’s laps, he told investigators.

At the oil site, Watts told police he took Shanann Watts' body out of the truck and laid her on the ground near where he ultimately buried her, the report said.

Bella and Celeste, who were in the truck, asked him, “What are you doing to mommy?” the report said. But he doesn’t remember what he told them, according to the report.”

And: “Watts told police he put Celeste's blue Yankees blanket over her head and strangled her in the backseat, the report said.

Bella was sitting next to Celeste at the time but Bella did not say anything, Watts told police, according to the report.

Watts told police he took the 3-year-old's body to the oil tank and dropped her inside.

When Watts returned to the truck, Bella asked him in her soft voice, “Is the same thing gonna happen to me as Cece?" he told police.

Watts told investigators he then strangled the 4-year-old with the same blanket, the report said. Bella fought back the best she could, according to investigators.

Bella's last words were “Daddy, no!” Watts told police, according to the report. Watts told investigators he hears those two words every time he closes his eyes.”

by Anonymousreply 525March 9, 2019 1:29 PM

Okay, after hearing this new confession and the cold blooded murder of the daughters at a second kill site—with his bare hands (and parading their dead mother’s body in front of them beforehand, etc.), what the fuck was/is exactly wrong with Chris Watts?

What could possibly be a reason to do this to two little girls?

What’s his deal?

Sociopath? Psychopath? Malignant narcissist? Molested by mom growing up? What....?

by Anonymousreply 526March 9, 2019 1:34 PM

Link to other active Chris Watts case/ “The Confession” thread on DL!

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by Anonymousreply 527March 9, 2019 2:17 PM

And he was offended because the wife didn’t want the grandparents to see the kids? Well, I guess the grandparents will get to see the kids as much as they want now.

Anybody consider that the wife wanted the kids away from the grandparents because they raised a crazy person? Maybe they’re crazy too.

I know of a case where the wife did not want the kids around the in-laws. Grandparents crazy, aunts and uncles in and out of jail. Violent fights. But from the husband’s point of view, he just couldn’t get what the problem was. He’s crazy too.

by Anonymousreply 528March 9, 2019 2:56 PM

Enhanced audio of CW "Full Confession" for those having trouble hearing r502's link. PART 1.

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by Anonymousreply 529March 9, 2019 3:04 PM

Chris Watts Full Confession - Best Enhanced Audio- Part 2.

r529.

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by Anonymousreply 530March 9, 2019 3:06 PM

Look at him now! Pale, misshapen head, he looks like Zach Rolofff. Man, he is not attractive. And did he do this to get more attention? What a piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 531March 9, 2019 3:19 PM

One hour show starting right now on HLN.

by Anonymousreply 532March 9, 2019 4:00 PM

If this is really how it went down, he's even crazier/stupider than I thought. "I'm taking the kids from you!" Kills kids. Genius!

If he really did snap and kill Shanananananan, he could've not killed the kids, called the cops immediately and probably gotten a decent plea deal or maybe even an acquittal with a sympathetic enough jury. Their marriage/life was a house of cards and was doomed to fall down.

by Anonymousreply 533March 9, 2019 6:00 PM

R533, I’ll never understand why he killed the girls. He must have wanted to, because it wasn’t necessary.

by Anonymousreply 534March 9, 2019 9:14 PM

That story has a strong scent of grief porn, I wonder if it’s even true. Maybe he made it up to fuck with his in-laws’ minds.

by Anonymousreply 535March 9, 2019 9:21 PM

His confession makes me think he'll be murdered in prison that much quicker.

by Anonymousreply 536March 9, 2019 9:59 PM

Yeah, my sense as well r536. Anyone else hear CW's statement during the Full Confession about not expecting to be around for very long or something like that?

by Anonymousreply 537March 9, 2019 10:11 PM

[quote]His confession makes me think he'll be murdered in prison that much quicker.

With the blessing of the guards.

by Anonymousreply 538March 9, 2019 10:16 PM

What type of interaction does he have with other prisoners? Does he have a cell mate or does he have his own cell? Does he eat meals with the other inmates or is he kept apart (perhaps not solitary confinement, but separated for his own protection?

It’s interesting watching the video of him with Scooby Nicole, the neighbor and the cop after now knowing exactly what happened. How did he ever think he wouldn’t get caught. Why didn’t he just and hide somewhere?

by Anonymousreply 539March 9, 2019 11:54 PM

R535, DEFINITELY.

I don’t believe it went down that way, and Chris is still experiencing duper’s delight. Those investigators aren’t half as clever as they think they are. He didn’t give them anything.

And he’s still protecting that sick hooer.

by Anonymousreply 540March 10, 2019 12:09 AM

I’ve been follwing this case on DL since the beginning & just posted this on the “Shan’ann Watts” thread, but I want to post this here too because I really want to talk about this with as many of you fellow “DL detective squad” members as possible ;)

by Anonymousreply 541March 10, 2019 12:41 AM

I also think CW is messin' with everyone. And Dr Phil is there as always on cue.

by Anonymousreply 542March 10, 2019 12:41 AM

Ooops! This is R541; below is what I meant post; sorry! Reading about this case is really fucking with my head today!

I’m male & a longtime DLer and you can “MARY!” me all you want to (I’m sure I deserve it), but this confession is extremely emotionally upsetting to me to read.

It is so fucking disturbing. Worse than anything that I or any “DL detective squad member” dreamed up—and we had a lot of theories about what went down since this happened. (And I say all this as someone who intensely dislikes Shan’ann and thinks she was a fucked up and manipulative (likely narcissist) who was probably Munchausen-ing the shit out of those two poor sickly little girls and mind fucking her henpecked husband on a daily basis...

I thought that we at DL had “figured out” what likely happened months ago (had pretty good, comprehensive theories about that night that made sense): he covered the girls faces while they were asleep in their beds (possibly even after sedating them) so they quickly died practically in their sleep and never knew that it was “daddy” who did it. Also thought they were killed before Shan’ann got home and so “never knew mommy was dead”.

But OH MY GOD! How wrong we all were. What a fucking nightmare! Chris Watts displayed Ted Bundy level coldness and emotionally tortured those girls before making them watch him killing each other and throwing their dead mother’s body around like trash.

He even put her body next to their feet on the floor of the truck with her head & feet covered with *trash bags* and took an hour driving them to the site they would be murdered at.

The coldness is just stunning. And it goes beyond coldness even—there’s almost like a sadistic quality to the whole thing. Like he wanted the toddlers to suffer.

Bella especially went through absolute hell. Chris even said to the investigators at one point: “Bella’s a smart girl, she knew what was going on”.

WTF?!? Why did he hate those little girls so much? He must have hated them, because he spared them no suffering and didn’t every try to shield them from their mother’s murder in any way.

And he killed Cece right next to Bella in the backseat. Why? I just don’t get the callousness towards the girls.

With Shan’ann (disclaimer: no, of course she didn’t deserve to die!) I could see there being an inexplicable level of anger there that could explode inside Chris & make him “snap”and be crazy & cold as fuck with her, but two scared little girls?

I just don’t get that at all. Their last hours were terrifying & uncomfortable & their deaths were neither quick or painless. That really upsets me.

Anyone have a guess as to why Chris was so brutal with his daughters?

It doesn’t appear that there was any history of beating or physical or sexual abuse with them & Chris (that we know of), so what the fuck happened?

How does he go from doing their hair every morning and making sure they had baths & snacks everyday (and reading them bedtime stories, etc.) to brutally cutting off their air supply & feeling nothing as they “grunt” and “move around under the Yankees blanket” struggling to breathe? It’s crazy & I just don’t understand it.

Not for one second did I think that the “big confession” Watts gave cops would be so brutal and nasty. I really didn’t. I had trouble sleeping after reading it. I know...MARY!

But it’s true. And even during the confession, he still doesn’t seem to feel bad for the two little girls. He just doesn’t. It’s very clinical and he doesn’t sound like he has real empathy for what they went through.

And I still think that he lied about some things and left details out of this confession.

I don’t trust every single thing he said & I still think he cares enough (for whatever reason) about his reputation & how people view him (close friends, family members like his mom & dad, and even Nichol K. and the public) to leave certain things out/fudge the truth about some of the incidents he described. I also think those same things motivate him to not be completely truthful about his true motives, etc.

by Anonymousreply 543March 10, 2019 12:46 AM

r540, I believe the detectives are competent and smart enough. They talk to sociopaths all the time and are not taking anything CW says at face value.

They let him spew about how he spontaneously killed Shan'ann in a fit of passion in order to get more details about how he conducted the crime. They got it. I do believe he killed Shan'ann and the kids in the manner he claimed.

I just don't believe his motives. And neither do they.

Telling them he was triggered by her threatening to take his kids away is just a pathetic attempt to give normal-thinking people A Reason they might accept. Same with claiming not to know what a financial mess they were in.

His motive was not spontaneous and emotional. It was premeditated and financial (in the sense he didn't want the financial responsibility of a wife/exwife and kids anymore).

I still don't believe the "hooer" had anything to do with it. Is there anyone who is NOT an overweight frau with a cheating husband, who actually believes the side piece plotted with him?

by Anonymousreply 544March 10, 2019 12:48 AM

[quote]Shannan was actually rather lucky to get a hot man like Chris for the time that she had him.

There are some incredibly twisted people on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 545March 10, 2019 1:00 AM

[quote]Anyone have a guess as to why Chris was so brutal with his daughters?

He couldn't care less about them. He wanted them out of his life. He didn't want to pay child support for them or take care of them himself either. They had to be eliminated so he could live the single life and date lots of women (not just Nichole Kessinger).

While he didn't sadistically torture them for pleasure or anything, neither did he go ONE INCH out of his way to minimize their suffering.

He killed them efficiently. Like the cold, selfish, psychopath he is.

by Anonymousreply 546March 10, 2019 1:02 AM

How you like me now , gays ?

by Anonymousreply 547March 10, 2019 1:02 AM

So was Frankie lying when he said he saw Chris carry them out of the house in bags like they were garbage (Shanann being the last)?

NK is hiding something. Maybe she didn’t kill anyone, but she destroyed evidence and was trying to dissuade investigators from checking her fucking alibi. SHE WAS THE MOTIVE and deleted evidence and lied to the CBI and police.

But sure, she’s totally innocent...

by Anonymousreply 548March 10, 2019 1:29 AM

Wasn't Kessinger looking at wedding dresses on line? And also researching Amber Frey's book deal? What happened to all these relevant details?

by Anonymousreply 549March 10, 2019 1:39 AM

R543, yes, I’ll MARY you, but I truly enjoyed your post as you articulated I think what many here feel. At DL we really are kind of hot shit when it comes to understanding human behavior — and yet CW was at a level of inhumanity of which no one here could even begin to make predictions. We really missed it!!! CW is so far outside the boundaries of what any of us see in our (relatively) normal daily lives that we had no frame of reference.

I agree with other posters above, he hated the kids. I am certain it was all premeditated, he’s a fucking liar, and he justified letting the girls suffer the way he did because, “Eh! It’ll be over with soon enough for them.” He wasn’t trying to torture them, but he had absolutely zero compassion or empathy or just ANYTHING that an even semi-normal human being would feel. Obviously, if he was even halfway normal he wouldn’t have plotted to kill his own children much less been able to keep going while his daughter begged for mercy.

R543, the best answer anyone can give you is that there really is evil, and of course I don’t mean that in a religious sense. There is truly evil that exists, and I don’t think almost any of us will witness it more than once in our lives, if ever at all. I definitely feel for the cops who worked this case, they will carry emotional garbage from it the rest of their lives, most of them won’t be the same people as before this case. R543, just be glad we get to set it down and walk away and aren’t forced to think about it, that’s the only thing I can say....

I hope whatever happens to him in prison makes him suffer. This is a sad sad story to begin with, but having heard the ending of the girls, it just is too much. Oh, and for sure his girlfriend knew more, and for sure he’s still lying, and for sure he is talking religiously because he misses being treated the way he was before everyone realized he is a monster. He’s trying to put a mask back on to hide behind using religion, but he is soooooooo fucking stupid, he doesn’t understand there is no going back for him.

by Anonymousreply 550March 10, 2019 1:49 AM

Seems the frauen who suspect NK was involved are reaaaaallly reaching in their interpretation of the evidence (she wasn't caught on the neighbor's surveillance cam because she crawled on the ground into CW's truck, for example).

So what she didn't want cops seeing her embarrassing phone texts with Chris. WOULD YOU?

Changing her identify and going into hiding is no doubt for her own safety, not because she's guilty of plotting murder, but because the Casey Anthony level frau hate for this woman is chilling. She is probably in danger from psycho frauen, for whom this case hits very close to home if they have shakey marriages and cheating husbands, unleashing their fury on her.

Are there any NON-FRAUS posting here who really believe NK helped Chris plot this or knew he was going to do it? —Her only crime was unknowingly spreading her but cheeks for a psychopath.

by Anonymousreply 551March 10, 2019 2:01 AM

How about the other Nicole, the one who intruded on Chris’s solitude before he could clean up? How do we know she didn’t do it??

by Anonymousreply 552March 10, 2019 2:07 AM

R551, no doubt this thread has many frauen, but not everyone thinks Nich-Hole actually helped with the actual killing, but I DO believe that she lied about how long she pursued him for, how she felt toward Shanana, why she deleted texts, etc. It isn’t a huge leap to believe she had a teensy inkling he might do this and that maybe, just maybe, she shrugged her shoulders and did absolutely nothing to stop it.

by Anonymousreply 553March 10, 2019 2:10 AM

[quote] So was Frankie lying when he said he saw Chris carry them out of the house in bags like they were garbage (Shanann being the last)?

Shan'ann's brother Frankie was not in Colorado at the time of the murders. Do you mean what he claims to have seen on the neighbor's surveillance video, which is available on YouTube for the whole world? If so, then I would guess that Frankie is not lying, but interpreting what he saw. There is very little to see there except Chris backing his truck in the garage. But we all know what he was doing. No doubt, this is what Frankie is saying that he "saw."

[quote] NK is hiding something. Maybe she didn’t kill anyone, but she destroyed evidence and was trying to dissuade investigators from checking her fucking alibi. SHE WAS THE MOTIVE and deleted evidence and lied to the CBI and police.

She "destroyed evidence" by deleting her embarrassing sexts and nudie pics between her and CW from her phone, which the cops obtained from her cell phone provider anyway. There were no texts about plotting any murders, just dumb sex stuff.

She "was the motive" in the sense that Chris Watts wanted new pussy. He was also on Tinder and some other woman claims he butt fucked her in his truck. He did not kill his wife and kids to immediately tie himself down with ONE Nichole Kessinger, so I highly doubt he shared his plans with her.

r109 has it right.

by Anonymousreply 554March 10, 2019 2:13 AM

R554, I like r109 and completely agree that it explains why the typical Frau hates her. But then how do you explain the obvious lies she told, starting for example with how long she was chasing Chris for? I suppose it’s true that her lies don’t mean she’s tied to the murder, but that is a huge circumstantial coincidence, no? If you’re right, it doesn’t change the fact that she told multiple lies — that is why I have always suspected she was involved. Maybe you’re right, but I’d welcome your thoughts on why she repeatedly lied when she had so much to lose.

by Anonymousreply 555March 10, 2019 2:25 AM

[quote] I DO believe that she lied about how long she pursued him for, how she felt toward Shanana, why she deleted texts, etc. It isn’t a huge leap to believe she had a teensy inkling he might do this and that maybe, just maybe, she shrugged her shoulders and did absolutely nothing to stop it.

Who cares how long she crushed on him before they fucked? The cops know. Her Google searches are in the doc dump and everyone knows. So what?

I DO think it's a leap that she might've thought he'd murder his family for her, hoped for it, and "shrugged her shoulders."

Like most regular women who date married men, she was probably hoping he'd get a divorce and then marry her asap and she'd have a baby and his kids would visit. Or maybe she didn't want to marry a guy with kids but was enjoying the dick for the time being. They were barely fucking for a year, if that!

She stupidly spread it for a married dude who happened to be a stone cold psychopath. That is all.

Now every frau with a husband on the verge or divorcing them wants to see Nichole Kessinger rotting in prison.

Still haven't seen any of you NK witch hunters deny being a frau yet.

by Anonymousreply 556March 10, 2019 2:27 AM

Thank you, R550; *great* post and insight.

I very much enjoyed reading what you wrote and agree with so much of what you said.

I’ll have to watch a stupid movie or something after reading this thread and the all new developments; this is a hard one to shake off....

by Anonymousreply 557March 10, 2019 2:29 AM

Yes r557, it is beyond disturbing, and I, too, must retire my badge.

by Anonymousreply 558March 10, 2019 2:38 AM

[quote] But then how do you explain the obvious lies she told, starting for example with how long she was chasing Chris for? I suppose it’s true that her lies don’t mean she’s tied to the murder, but that is a huge circumstantial coincidence, no? If you’re right, it doesn’t change the fact that she told multiple lies — that is why I have always suspected she was involved.

I've seen most of tje doc dump and listened to NK's interview with detectives. The "lies" she told were benign and mainly trying to protect herself from being launched into the media as THE OTHER WOMAN, complete with embarrassing sex texts and photos, which is basically what happened, prompting married women everywhere to call for her imprisonment and even death.

Please share with us these egregious lies she has told that keeps you hoping that she was somehow involved in CW's crime against his family.

by Anonymousreply 559March 10, 2019 2:45 AM

Oh, just shut up R552.

by Anonymousreply 560March 10, 2019 4:12 AM

I'm pretty sure r552 was being funny.

by Anonymousreply 561March 10, 2019 4:15 AM

Why turn in your badge ? There was no mystery to this case.

by Anonymousreply 562March 10, 2019 4:24 AM

I have no reason to read Watts third or so version of the details. Will there be a fifth and why should I believe any on them ?

by Anonymousreply 563March 10, 2019 4:25 AM

Then maybe you should exit this thread r563?

by Anonymousreply 564March 10, 2019 8:14 AM

R563 good point, tho apparently too subtly made for r564 .... this dipshit has already told a few different stories that were hard to believe and seemed aimed at a goal other than the truth. Now here’s yet one more.

by Anonymousreply 565March 10, 2019 12:07 PM

MORE!

What specific parts of this new “more full” confession do any of you find disingenuous or a flat out fabrication? (And why?)

Or do most people on this thread feel like Chris is *finally* telling the full truth this time?

One thing (of many) that stood out to me as “off”, about his new confession was when Watts said that Bella (who was apparently very verbal that whole horrific evening—repeatedly asking Chris questions about Shan’ann’s well being and asking what Chris was “doing to mommy”—as well as crying and holding onto her sister in the back seat of the car on the way to the oil fields) was allegedly completely silent and basically had little to no reaction when he came back to the car, grabbed Cece’s Yankees blanket from her hand and put it over her head, smothering her while using his other hand to press against/strangle her throat.

And this is happening right* next to Bella in the backseat.

Bella adored Cece (often openly worrying aloud about her safety and allergies to her mom and their babysitter) and had been emotional that entire night—and yet Chris claims that she had *zero* reaction to witnessing her little sister being brutally murdered right in front of her?

She didn’t cry, scream, try to pull the blanket off her suster’s face, grab Cece’s hand, call out her name, beg daddy to stop killing Cece? Shout “no”?NOTHING?

That just rang really false to me (especially since Bella apparently had reactions to everything else that night), so it made me wonder what really happened there in that backseat and why Chris would even want to lie about any detail of it (and possibly lie about Bella’s reaction to it all)?

Made me wonder what he might still be hiding about the details of that particular murder (and other things from that night)...

by Anonymousreply 566March 10, 2019 3:20 PM

R566, it is possible that Bella was just trying to process what she was seeing. But you do ask some great questions, and I think you’re right that there is more to the story, still.

by Anonymousreply 567March 10, 2019 3:29 PM

The thing with NK deleting “embarrassing” things is... the cops DID withhold embarrassing things from the discovery. There were dick pics we didn’t get to see. And I’m sure we didn’t see the photos she sent him, either.

We were, however, treated to some (not all) of her embarrassing internet searches, too. I wonder what the criteria for release was.

Why was NK so adamant that investigators not contact Jim?

Listen, I don’t think she killed anyone, but she was hiding more than nude photos. I felt awful for her - the worst she’d done was be deceived by a married man and I can’t throw stones there - until the discovery came out. Her recorded interviews and electronic records add up to deceit about more than unwittingly banging a married dude.

If you think she’s just a babe in the woods, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t think she is.

by Anonymousreply 568March 10, 2019 5:32 PM

BUMP!

What else was weird or “off” about Chris’ new statement/confession to police?

—Did he and Shan’ann *really* have sex right after she got home from her long delayed flight? (And was “recent sexual activity” noted in her autopsy report?)

—Shan’ann had zero reaction to him trying to choke her to death right after allegedly telling him that he would never see the kids again and to get off of her because he “might hurt the baby (Nico)”? She just silently accepted being murdered and “prayed”? WTF!?!

What is Chris hiding with that one? That whole scenario sounds like a whopper.

I’m wondering if what really happened was that Chris went over to her with the sole purpose of killing her quickly and efficiently and grabbed/pressed on her neck in sch a way immediately to knock her out instantly, but made up the part about Shan’ann threatening him after he got on top of her from behind and then silently “praying”/giving up to make it seem like he “worked up” to deciding to murder her during an escalating emotional confrontation (that even surprised Chris himself!🙄 Yeah, right....) “spur of the moment”.

I think I’m reality Shan’ann was going to be murdered as soon as she got home from the that trip and Chris was like a predatory animal waiting for the exact moment to pounce on her while she was on her back on the bed and choke the fuck out of her as fast as possible.

This intense interest with how he is viewed by others and what his family and investigators think about him has finally convinced me that Chris really is a narcissist. For no reason, he has this desire to portray that these murders were non premeditated and they all developed in a (multi-hour long) “heat of the moment” after sex and an argument “you’ll never see the kids again!” with Shan’ann.

Why he want people to think that, I have no idea. He made sure the “dump site” (his remote work location) would be available and free of other people during a phone conversation with his co-worker Kodie (or was it Kody—it was a guy, I don’t know..) the night before the murders while the two little girls were still at the birthday pool party.

So he was making plans to dump all these bodies while his girls were still alive at that party, and that conversation/planning is well documented in that info dump.

But yet he lies about all this anyway and acts like he “just snapped” that morning.

It makes me wonder what else he is lying about....

by Anonymousreply 569March 11, 2019 6:08 AM

Ugh, *such, *in reality, etc.

I apologize for all grammar and spelling errors above. I was writing too quickly on my iPhone....

by Anonymousreply 570March 11, 2019 6:12 AM

R569

I agree with you 1000%!

by Anonymousreply 571March 11, 2019 6:46 AM

R569 I completely agree!

by Anonymousreply 572March 11, 2019 6:51 AM

R569, agree with you. Speaking of Kody and coworkers... One of NK’s jobs was to monitor the levels of the tanks. I wonder if he picked her brain about that. Or maybe he already knew what he needed to do.

If it hadn’t been for Scooby Nickole, he might have gotten away with it. She’s shady, too, but she busted him.

by Anonymousreply 573March 11, 2019 2:27 PM

I doubt it R573 Scooby sped up the process but CW is a DUMBASS. If he'd made it two weeks without getting arrested, I'd be surprised.

by Anonymousreply 574March 11, 2019 5:42 PM

R569, I believe almost everything he said in this confession except when it came to his wife. Every time the detectives brought up her murder, he suddenly got vague and his story made no sense. First he said he flew into a rage because she said he wouldn't see his kids again, and later he said she had actually said that when they were in North Carolina. Did they have sex that night? By this point she was convinced he was having an affair; would she come home and immediately spread for him? But another part of me thinks they did have sex and he actually strangled her then. The whole part about him being on to of her for twenty minutes while they talked made absolutely no sense, especially since that was the time he allegedly said to her that he didn't love her anymore and wanted a divorce. How long would you let someone sit on you (even if you were anticipating having sex again) after they told you those things? I would have bucked him before he finished saying "I don't love ..."

by Anonymousreply 575March 11, 2019 7:51 PM

Yes, he probably killed her right after sex.

by Anonymousreply 576March 11, 2019 7:54 PM

The parents on Dr. Phil saying the bodies could not be cremated because they had been soaking in oil for 4 days and would have blown up the building, instead they were placed in the coffin with their Mom and the coffin was specially sealed so that the fumes would not leak out.

by Anonymousreply 577March 11, 2019 8:08 PM

I'm about to watch Dr Phil shortly (shudder).

by Anonymousreply 578March 11, 2019 8:17 PM

He is a monster. Kills his wife. Takes kids in car to their gravesite. Killed the older one first . Read that the little one said something like, “Please don’t do to me what you did to (name of sister )”

She didn’t know the word MURDER or KILL.

I’ve lived a long time through many horrific murders. THIS IS THE WORST. And that never ending smirk on his face.

Years ago when I believed in the death penalty I would’ve said he should be executed. Somehow a long life in prison being raped and trying not to get killed is the best I can hope for .

Who could do that to their own tiny toddler pleading for their life? Narcissistic personality disorder psychopath sociopath ...fooled everyone for many years with that normal persona. These people are Master manipulators and ARE MISSING THE EMPATHY CHIP.

Do not waste one second feeling bad for that Monstre! Mon dieu

by Anonymousreply 579March 11, 2019 9:22 PM

Shanann's mother is talking about the afterlife at great length in Dr. Phil interview.

by Anonymousreply 580March 11, 2019 9:25 PM

I hate Dr. Phil, but I’m watching too. However you feel about Shan’ann (and yes, she was a scammy bitch), this shit is sad and brutal!

I *still* cannot get over how brutally he killed the daughters and the coldness, horror, and terror he treated them with before murdering them.

Basically killing their pregnant mom and throwing around her body in front of them, driving them for an hour in the middle of the night with her body at their feet, killing one daughter in front of the other....

It’s worse than a horror movie. Some hitmen aren’t even that brutal. The poor little kids. This case is haunting to me...

It especially creeps me out because Watts had no “history of violence”, criminal record, or history of aberrant behavior. Normal, average life and background (not raised in foster homes or anything..) The fact that such violence and cold premeditation could come from this “average Joe family man” with no history of similar behavior really freaks me out.

Poor Bella :(

by Anonymousreply 581March 11, 2019 10:38 PM

And he still claims to the cops (in the new recording) that he “doesn’t know why” he did it, wasn’t sure if he was planning on killing the girls that day or not, and basically wishes that he himself had the answer to these questions...

Really??

“It was like something else was controlling me”...”I didn’t know who I was or what was happening”......”I don’t remember what I said to Bella when she asked if I was going to do to her what I did to CeCe...” “I wish I had these answers too..”

Does anyone really believe this from Chris?

by Anonymousreply 582March 11, 2019 10:47 PM

Dr. Phil described Chris as a “malignant narcissist”. I know there has to be something deeply and seriously wrong with Chris for him to be able to do what he did—and the way he did it, but is “malignant narcissist” the most likely diagnoses?

Wouldn’t that be something that people would have seen signs of beforehand? Wouldn’t there be giveaways and telltale behaviors from Chris that would have been seen throughout his life before these violent murders?

by Anonymousreply 583March 11, 2019 10:59 PM

There had to be some signs, r583.

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by Anonymousreply 584March 11, 2019 11:24 PM

What I find so compelling about him is that NOT ONE PERSON from his past had anything bad to say about him. His own wife didn't think he was even capable of having an affair when she had hard evidence staring her in the face. Several of the friends they interviewed while SW was still missing were more confident that SW was pulling some scam than believing Chris had done something to her.

I really think that snake oil he was wearing may have altered his mind somehow. He told the investigators that when he wore those Duo patches his Apple watch would indicate that he had been exercising all day. And Maneater Nichol said he would wear two at a time.

by Anonymousreply 585March 12, 2019 12:25 AM

I think overall he's telling the truth about how he killed his family.

If he were going to lie he, would have told a completely different, less brutal story.

He certainly knows that the story as it stands now, as he told it in front of those detectives, makes his situation even worse in the eyes of his fellow inmates and guards.

by Anonymousreply 586March 12, 2019 12:34 AM

I don’t think he told the absolute truth. He probably got some satisfaction of hurting SW’s parents even more.

by Anonymousreply 587March 12, 2019 1:18 AM

What do you think he lied or altered the truth about R587?

I think he lied about some things and withheld some facts too: like he doesn’t mention Celeste’s reactions to anything that night—including being murdered by him—as if she was just a silent mannequin or something, which doesn’t make sense and which I don’t believe. He also acts like Shan’ann silently submitted to being murdered and being sat on top of by him for 20 minutes beforehand (which I also don’t believe) *and* he suggests that Bella basically had no reaction to him squeezing the life out of her beloved baby sister right next to her (no screaming, no “daddy please don’t hurt her!”, nothing?) I don’t believe that either. Bella was extremely protective of CeCe and you can see that in all the videos of the two of them on YouTube; there was a mothering quality to her relationship with Celeste.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Bella may have screamed or even tried to pry his hands off her sister’s neck or grab the blanket off her head just out of pure instinct and he smacked her or something like that. I think he may have been crueler and more brutal to the girls than he admitted (because although he did admit to being horrific to them, he would suddenly get very vague or say “I don’t remember” when it got to specific details/questions he was asked and you can tell that he does still care about his image, so that would motivate him to still hide some even darker shit....)

by Anonymousreply 588March 12, 2019 4:49 AM

The things you mentioned r588. He definitely lied about how he killed his wife. It’s weird if he’s hung up on his image or reputation because I don’t see how it could get any lower.

by Anonymousreply 589March 12, 2019 5:35 AM

What is left to say about this horror? Every single thing going on ( Shanann nagging bitchiness, OCDs, Thrive patches, condependency, undiagnosed mental illness , resentments, affairs, sick kids, debt ETC) all created a perfect storm for this to happen.

by Anonymousreply 590March 12, 2019 11:27 AM

It's too gruesome and the fascination that some people have with how horrible and terrifying it must have been is nothing but creepy. No sane person wants to know all of this. It has nothing to do with you.

by Anonymousreply 591March 12, 2019 11:53 AM

[quote]he would suddenly get very vague or say “I don’t remember” when it got to specific details/questions he was asked

What r588 said. I listened twice to the part where the detective asks him what was **Bella's** reaction during the Shan'ann killing and CW completely ignores the question and rattles on in a robotic tone of voice about wrapping up the deceased mother in a bedsheet. CW does not respond to the human concern about a small, vulnerable child. The kids were just 'collateral damage' in his world.

by Anonymousreply 592March 12, 2019 12:34 PM

[quote]The things you mentioned [R588]. He definitely lied about how he killed his wife. It’s weird if he’s hung up on his image or reputation because I don’t see how it could get any lower.

It helps if you can think like a sociopath, r589.

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by Anonymousreply 593March 12, 2019 12:55 PM

Note that the detectives ask him more than once if the girls were alive when they were thrown into the tanks. They also asked him a couple of times about this in the confession inteview. I wonder if the investigators suspect that's the way it really went down.

by Anonymousreply 594March 12, 2019 12:56 PM

Oh, shit, R594! I *really* hope Chris wasn’t lying about them already being dead when they were put in those tanks...

That’s even darker than anything I had thought of :(

It’s odd you even mention this, because Shan’ann’s mom said on Dr. Phil yesterday in response to Chris’ new confession about the girls, something like: “I pray to God that they *really were* dead before he dropped them in those tanks....their bodies must have still been warm, they weren’t ready to be dropped in there yet”, and suggested that she had a fear that the girls may have been put in their while still (even accidentally) left alive by their dad.

It seemed to be a concern to her, but I just wrote it off as a predictable (but unlikely/unwarranted) fear caused by the shock revelation of Watts’ brutality in admitting to killing the girls in the car at the oil field site. Like, “What other horrible thing could have happened to my granddaughters?”. I thought it was just that.

Now your post is freaking me out a little. I hope to God those girls weren’t killed *by* being put in those huge hot oil tanks. I’m just going to choose to believe Watts, that they were killed beforehand...

by Anonymousreply 595March 12, 2019 1:11 PM

Should we start a Part 2 soon?

by Anonymousreply 596March 12, 2019 1:11 PM

^^^^ Meant Part 3.

by Anonymousreply 597March 12, 2019 1:13 PM

Part 3, R596, please!

The new confession only came out like 3 days ago and I haven’t even finished listening to the audio recording yet to analyze and discuss here with other DLers—and we haven’t even discussed some of the *other* crazy things Chris said in that confession (that I’ve heard so far): he’s “never had a gay experience”?, he “never cheated on Shan’ann until Nicki”? He “never even had a dating app hookup or one night stand” while in Colorado?, he brought the gas canister in the car with Shan’ann’s body and the then alive girls to the oil field because he was going to use it to “kill himself” after the murders—but decided against it “last minute” because it might “cause a huge explosion in the oilfield that could possible kill others”. Really?!? *Now* he cares about other human life besides his own? Hmmm...

Also: he claims he brought the gas can as a suicide method “because he didn’t own any weapons”. And that makes sense because??

(So why did he bring the damn gas can?)

Also: there are things that Shan’ann’s parents said about Chris’ parents yesterday on Dr. Phil, which need to be discussed....(hint: they likely a large contributing reason that Chris turned out the way he did).

by Anonymousreply 598March 12, 2019 1:27 PM

Part 3.

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by Anonymousreply 599March 12, 2019 5:31 PM

Dr. Phil interview. Partial. For those who missed it.

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by Anonymousreply 600March 12, 2019 5:36 PM

This is the better Dr. Phil interview link.

r600.

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by Anonymousreply 601March 12, 2019 5:39 PM
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