Death by Boredom Cases Still on the Rise in Genoa City

You know, I've been aware of the joke about her since almost the beginning. Yet, I've never known anything more about her than that she's a running DL joke. I know nothing about her career, who she is, or anything she's ever said or done - outside of DL jokes, of course.

One day, I'm actually going to google her - not today. But, someday.

Looks like Mo Benard is trying to coax Grossman onto his podcast by sending him a case of his Grecian Formula.

Genoa City, oh dear, I’m a Lake Geneva girl.

Grossman is using Grecian Formula?

Already?

He's only 36.

At least Grossman has full head of healthy hair.

RIkaart admitted to having to start coloring his hair well over a decade ago.

Sometimes it's the show that wants the grey gone. Years ago, LeBlanc said he'd gone on his annual vacation and let the grey grow out naturally on the sides (where his real hair is), and gave up dying it. When he got back, he 'quietly' kept it for a week, then a memo was sent to get rid of the grey and start coloring it again.

Back in the day, the business stories on Y&R were actually some of the best in daytime, but they weren't overplayed.

But who is CEO or runs what company, or works wherever for whom has become such repetitive crap. They're pointless and boring. Enough!

If you eliminated all the business stories on Y&R right now, all you'd have left would be deaf baby Aria and Kyle's affair with Audra (which still manages to touch on business)

Sadly, I remember jacking off to Doug Davidson. My, how time flies.

From last week:

[quote] Victor reclaims his throne and appoints Nikki as CEO of Newman Media

This would only make sense if Newman Media were an adult entertainment company, and Nikki was going be in-charge of the company upcoming re-release of the newly re-mastered, 40th Anniversary Edition of her porn film, "Hot Hips," including new bonus footage as well as the film's director detailing what special effects were used to put Nikki's head on top of Boobsie's body.

BD is well preserved and doesn't need to alter her images as extensively as she does. The wigs are horrible and cheapen her appearance

Are the rumors true? Is Cane returning?

I know the show's in bad shape these days, but do we really have to endure dull as dishwater Cane?

Canestipation smirks again!

It's a Daytime crossover with TPIR.

Apparently, Drew Carey is going to be playing NuCane, and the character returns to finally get it on with Traci Abbott.

[quote] According to Josh Griffith, executive produce and head writer, "Cane has seen the error of his ways and now wants to eat breakfast in bed with Traci. Needless to say, this love match is hot and heavy. Viewers are going to love taking this big journey with them."

(No word on whether Drew will try to play the role with an Australian accent, but at least Cane will no longer be mumbling unintelligibly.)

This initial storyline is a short-term arc, but Cane will be seen from time-to-time based on Carey's schedule, so his relationship with Traci will be ongoing. Setside sources are already talking about prepping for a New Years Eve Wedding, so TRANE may be the couple taking the huge plunge.

Eventually Cane's son, Sam, will be introduced into the tween set, and in a highly flirtatious move, Sam will give Miss Connor a wedgie on the soccer field!

[quote] Griffith explains, "Sam is a fun, free-spirited tween who wears his heart on his sleeve. He knows what he wants and isn't afraid to express himself. Sam sees Connor as this sullen "old" sourpuss in need of a sense of humor. But Will Sam's attempts to put a smile on Connor's face work, or backfire immensely?"

Looks like Thom is channeling Wilma Jeanne, who took everyone along for her face lift back in the mid-80s, as he's put up video of his recent hair transplant.

Link to new GH thread. The previous one maxed out.

Speaking of both GH and Thom Bierdz, now that gay actor, Adam Huss, is no longer on that soap, Y&R should hire him to play NuPhillip. Bierdz is a mess.

Even if it were just a short arc, I'd like to see Chance interact with his dad.

[quote]Speaking of both GH and Thom Bierdz, now that gay actor, Adam Huss, is no longer on that soap,

Adam Huss was on GH this week playing Nikolas.

R17 Oh, I thought his stint ended awhile back. Is he recurring? He can do both!

In looking at Huss' resume, I had no idea that he's the actor who played "Lance" the guy Sheila Carter infamously murdered with the bees!

Not clear on what Huss' status is with GH at the moment. But he been in two episodes in the past week as Nikolas.

Whether he continues as Nikolas is unknown.

I agree, Adam Huss would make a good P3. And Chance certainly needs some family there to support him. Jill's not there. Nina's not there. So why not Phillip coming to town for a while.

But is there enough of an age difference for Huss to convincing play Chance's father? Huss is 46 while Conner Floyd is early 30s.

Too close in age.

Beirdz looks like Frankenstein.

wasn't P3 in his teens when they had the baby?

Bierdz really is channeling Wilma Jeanne in that video at r14.

Why is he still spending all this money on plastic surgery? It's not like he's going to be hired as an actor ever again.

Huss 46 - Floyd 29 = 17

I think Phillip was just turning 18 when Nina gave birth to PC4.

So it works, well enough. Plus, it makes sense that a gay guy like Phillip takes care of himself and looks great.

Huss iwould certainly be just as believable as some of daytime's parent-child age differences. Look at Chrissy and Judith Chapman. Just six years separate them.

I realize Nikki has been involved in business storylines since she plunked down a boatload of cash from one of her Newman divorce settlements to buy her way into Jabot, thereby"saving" the company from Victor before he could call in the company's bank loans or something; but these scenes where they've got her playing Victor's right-hand woman on the business front and CEO of this, that, and everything else ain't working. Even Brenda was more believable as a businesswoman than Mel. Nikki should be planning Arts Council galas with society bitches and having flings with young Cuban cock, or at the very least managing her own strip club (e.g. Marsino's). That was actually entertaining. Thursday night is gay night with hot twunks dancing in the cages.

Jabottom could be Nicki's COO! Newman is a family business, so I give them some leeway. I actually find her more believable than Vicsnoria who they've had jetting off to LA with just Nate in tow to "buy streaming services" because that's how that all works.

[quote]Even Brenda was more believable as a businesswoman than Mel. Nikki should be planning Arts Council galas with society bitches and having flings with young Cuban cock, or at the very least managing her own strip club

Every time they have Nikki weighing in on some business issue, I giggle a little. MTS is definitely not believable as a businesswoman.

I really think they’ve just run out of ideas for what these characters can do. Yeah it’s pretty ridiculous Nikki as a CEO, but they want to keep her married to Victor, and involved in the goings on of the Newman family so I don’t mind too much. The writers writing most of this dreck need to be fired. You really can’t keep up with the musical chairs of Jabot and NE anymore because it changes almost weekly. Plus most of the characters are so smug and unlikeable, and not even in the they’re so bad they’re entertaining realm, its really sinking this show, JaBottom, the whore he’s in bed with every five seconds, Victoria, Nate, Tucker, Devon, Billy to name a few. Even Ashley, whom I’m normally a fan of, has been written as this major cunt lately.

[quote] Every time they have Nikki weighing in on some business issue, I giggle a little.

My reaction is more of an eye-roll.

It wasn't that long when Mel was asked what she thought Nikki's worst storyline ever was, and she said it was when Lathag had Nikki running for Senate. Her reaction was something like, "Seriously?" .. Nikki playing corporate CEO is right next to that.

The least they could is give Nikki a HOT male secretary. She'd run ideas and suspicions past him, and he'd be her confidential minion and spy. The relationship wouldn't have to be as campy as Real Jill and David Kimble nor as humorous as Wilhelmina Slater and Marc St James (Ugly Betty). But there'd be this dynamic between them, and she'd be able to depend on this guy whenever she needed to do an end-run around someone or find out some information.

This show is so lacking in fun supporting characters.

R18 He's recurring, even though he has a fan base that would prefer he were on contract (Frank has yet to give a temporary recast their role on a permanent basis, so he would be an exception)

R19 Wow I never knew that was him either. Even when B&B aired flashbacks of that incident many months ago, I didn't realize it was him. Hot as hell then and now lol

R24 Somewhere in Bierdz' video on the procedure, he says something like, 'And I still won't like the way I look." He's obviously got some kind of body dysmorphic discorder. and that's why he keeps on doing it. He should be spending what money he does have on therapy instead.

‘Brenda Dickson obituary’ comes up in Google autotype for search.

When will Victoria try to have Victor committed for Alzheimer's?

Related thread on Billy Miller's death.

R33 That might be less embarrassing than typing in "Melody Thomas Scott" and getting "weight loss."

FALL PREVIEW:

After being fired from Newman Media, JaBottom finds success on OnlyFans and soon does a collab with former fuckbuddy, Theo Vanderway.

Nikki sucks one two many lemons with her water at the GCAC and without any warning just up and dies of sour stomach right there in the club dining room.

Getting stuck in the elevator together, Adam surprisingly learns that Rafe Torres lives in the same apartment building that he recently moved into. .. uh oh. Why is Adam suddenly having strange dreams and night sweats?

Fed up with her father, Boretoria decides to return to her true destiny and takes a job teaching art to kindergartners. .. After an initial arc where "Miss Vicki" proves herself when she settles an intense battle over white paste between Harrison Locke and Miles Fisher, she's bumped to recurring status and only shows up for weddings, funerals, and every other Christmas.

And speaking of destiny - Danny returns which leads Cricket to finally get back to her destiny by agreeing to be his beard once again .. just in time for the 35th Anniversary of "Rock On." .. No one understands why this move upsets Syphilis so much, but she needs her episode counts.

The twink who works the counter at Crimson Lights fills new manager Esther in on how the back room slot machine operation works, thereby we finally learn how this independent coffee shoppe competes with the likes of Starbucks. (Yes, this story has been stolen from "Young Sheldon.")

Mariah and Tessa move to Switzerland to seek treatment for Aria and nobody notices.

Victor reveals that the secret investor joining Chancellor-Winters is none other than MISS CONNOR !! .. Needless to say, heads are gonna roll.

[quote] This show is so lacking in fun supporting characters.

A problem that killed a lot of soaps and is draining the life out of the rest.

Except for GH, which is so filled with characters it's hard to keep them straight.

[quote] Mariah and Tessa move to Switzerland to seek treatment for Aria and nobody notices.

LOL! So true!!

Has Chance put out a BOLO on Elana?

When was the last time she was seen in Genoa City?

Does Eric Braeden want to retire now, so he agreed to a "Victor has Alzheimer's" last storyline?

ugh. Why does Sally have to be in the scene with bare-chested Nick and his big muscle tits? She spoils everything. .. A solo where "Nick Rubs One Out" would be much hotter, or the hotel's Room Service twink that he ordered could enter the room mid-way and join him.

So, Christian LeBlanc hasn't been on the show since what, late May? Early June?

Why has he been off for so long? Performing in another play?

R43 rumor has it he had an eye infection. But after this long, something is going on. Eye infections don’t take months to heal.

R43 I know he and the husband are still going through a huge renovation-reconstruction project of their home in New Orleans that was severely damaged by Hurricane Ida (w/ lots of problems with the insurance company as well). .. And then there was another storm within the last few months (June??) that proved that the new roof that was put on was leaking. It looked like a real mess. So maybe he's trying to help out more down there.

I was just thinking we need a dose of Leanna Love. Saw her name in the credits today.

Oh, and of course, Mamie is the secret Chancellor-Winters investor.

I would give anything to have Miss Connor waltz in and say "I own 51% of this lousy company!"

Did Miss Connor already leave for boarding school?

R47 Followed by, "YAGOTTHAT?" and a sassy finger snap.

Tricia Cast is returning for some episodes. It's good because it will give Chance some family connections on the canvas.

His only other family in town is Billy Abbott, his uncle. And how many scenes have Chance and Billy had together in the past year? In the past two years?

If they do a scene with Nina and Chance, it will be the first time Tricia and Conner will have worked together. Recall, when she last appeared for the anniversary gala, she informed Cricket that Chance had decided not to come to the party by taking a work assignment so that he wouldn't have to see DuhVon and Blabby together at the party. .. Then, when Chance showed up to investigate the non-murder of Syphyllis, Nina was nowhere to be seen among the assembled guests. Her two episodes or whatever were up, so they never interacted.

r51 Yes, I recall that. When Chance finally showed up at the GCAC, Nina wasn't there.

I thought that very odd for Nina to be gone and never to have had any scenes with her son.

Dear Gawd in Heaven, I'm bored ....

This business storyline would be far more entertaining if Newman Enterprises were a McDonald's franchise that Victor has owned since the '60s.

Today, his three spoiled children incessantly argue over who's going to be Assistant Manager. Adam is always making the case that he stacks Double Quarterpounders with Cheese better than Victoria, whom he berates for never wearing her hair net. .. Big Goofball Nick is usually seen flirting with GCU coeds at the soda station. .. And none of the Newman brats want to work the drive-thru window, so Victor makes the executive decision to move 'that Sally girl' from the front counter to the window.

Meanwhile, new-hire Audra has a secret plan to move beyond the French Fries station. Suspicious Nikki wonders what Audra is doing slumming here anyway, since she used to be a Night-Shift Supervisor at a KFC in London. .. Nate is the onsite security guard whom Victor hired to keep the homeless from loitering in the dining room and parking lot. Victoria lurves a man in uniform and has messed up more than a few orders staring at Nate's butt. (For some reason, Nate's bubble butt makes Adam nervous.)

Nikki shows up after her shopping trip to the local Kohl's and is not happy with the way the restrooms look. She immediately informs Victor about the smelly situation who later blasts everyone when he finds chewing gum in a urinal.

Meanwhile, The Abbotts own the struggling 31 Flavors franchise across the street and still fret when McDonald's runs a promotion on a new McFlurry.

Yesterday was the first episode in season 51. Unfortunately, they're sticking with the 50th anniversary opening, the worst in the history of the show, and one I hoped would die a natural death on day 365 of year 50.

Spanglewear on the women and tuxes on the men are just hideous.

[quote] they're sticking with the 50th anniversary opening, the worst in the history of the show,

The worst opening, imo, was the one they came up with in 1999 with the billowing red satin sheet and jazzy saxaphone muZak, It was horrible, and similarly, many of the actors were dressed in spanglewear and tuxes. In many cases, the "poses" and looks on their faces didn't seem natural and having them spin towards the audience was quite funny. I've read elsewhere that this was Big Ed Scott's "taste."

The show stuck with that till Ed was gone, then came up with marvelous main titles in 2003 for the 30th Anniversary that hearkened back to the show's original theme music and charcoal drawings. This was done by a company called Automony one remains one of my favorite versions.

2003

R55, when Heather Tom did that thing that was supposed to be a smile, I frightened and then cried.

r57 PSS

So who is Mamie working with? Who was on the other end of that phone call?

I'm wondering if this might be a back-from-the-dead Drucilla.

R59 Rowell ain’t coming back. And even if they went with a recast, how could you explain a nearly 20 year amnesia to keep her away from her kids? It’s probably someone lame like Tucker. I’ve given up on the show and it’s ability to surprise its audience anymore.

No. Not Tucker. PLEASE 🙏

Going out on a limb here, but perhaps Mamie's finally going to introduce everyone to the secret love child she had with John, "Marlon Abbott Johnson."

[quote]how could you explain a nearly 20 year amnesia to keep her away from her kids?

That's not really a problem. Writers can be creative when they want to be.

How many 'beloved' Y&R characters should be serving long prison terms? Victor - corporate crimes, having Jack kidnapped and putting Jack's psychotic double in town, fooling everyone. Adam - too many to mention. Phyllis - fraud, etc Diane - ditto. Michael - he murdered a woman, crazy rapist. Nick - covering up murders he's committed to protect his useless sister.

R63 Diane had reasons to go into hiding. Drucilla didn’t. I’m not saying they would never go there, but I don’t think it’s likely. Plus Rowell made the role her own. I can’t imagine a recast who brought what Rowell did to the character. If they were serious about bringing Drucilla back, it would have transpired by now.

Is Lily a big enough character to warrant her coming back? Neil is gone. Malcolm is gone. Olivia is gone. Unless they were planning to bring her back as wife of a powerful African American tycoon with a secret, who's come back to Genoa City to shake things up, what's the point of her? She's got one person to yell at.

[quote]That's not really a problem. Writers can be creative when they want to be.

I'm assuming when you say writers can be creative when they want to be, you mean make up completely unbelievable shit?

R66 I guess you meant Drucilla.

R68, I did. Never liked Drucilla. Loud.

R69 she was, but her fights with Phyllis were epic. The character wasn’t as obnoxious in the 90s and showed some vulnerability. Rowell had a charisma and force she brought to the role. I think it’s why they’ve never tried to recast. I just can’t imagine anyone else in the role. With Mamie on, at least in the short term, they’re trying to make a statement that the Winters/Barber family is not going anywhere. I can’t stand Devon (smug, arrogant, two faced) and THIS character outlived his usefulness a long time ago. But unfortunately he will probably stay with Tucker in town and reestablishing the W/B brood. I can see Olivia coming back, but Drucilla probably will not happen.

She'd better not.

She's been gone for fifteen years. They could recast at this point if they could write for the character. Whole thing seems pointless.

I would not be interested in a new Dru.

I don't really care if Drucilla comes back, but 16 years of amnesia could easily be explained the same way Carl Williams' amnesia was handled. I think he was absent for almost 10 years. In fact, with Drucilla, it would be even more believable, because we saw her go over the cliff to suffer the injury. With Carl, he just disappeared, and I believe they eventually slipped in some mention that they think he'd been assaulted and hit over the head while on an undercover police assignment, but we didn't see that. Mary had come to the conclusion that Carl was dead.

Anyway, amnesiac Carl was oblivious to who he was and was living a brand new life as "Jim Bradley." The only reason he returned is because Cricket encountered "Jim" working as a security guard at the airport in Norfolk. She returned home and told Clueless, who then tracked his father down and convinced him to return to Genoa City. But Jim-Carl still didn't know who he was. And although I've read this wasn't how the story was originally supposed to go, confused Jim-Carl eventually opted to return to Norfolk with the new galpal in his life, Ruthie.

So all they'd need to do is to say Mamie happened to encounter Dru someplace within the last six months or so. and there was a spark of recognition, which then led to Dru regaining her memory. I believe this is how it also went with amnesiac Faren Connor after Lauren tracked down "Michelle Sanderson's" husband, Evan, and daughter, Betsy.

R74 yeah I forgot about that one. That’s the really the only way it could happen. It’s a soap after all. The emotional punch when they told her that Neil died after she got her memory back would be a great soap moment, but they don’t want to deal with Rowell and her drama anymore. Some poster called her a walking lawsuit, which is appropriate.

While I don't want to fathom this, I think it would be pretty easy to make a case that the person Mamie was talking to on the phone was Cane Ashby .. or maybe NuCane Ashby (so that he can fuck Traci, if Lily still wants nothing to do with her ex-).

Cane Ashby is a character that overstayed his welcome by at least 10 years.

But i suppose he could stir things up in a short story arc. And maybe even give Traci that fuck he should have given her five years ago.

The Ozempic has MTS feeling herself. She thought she looked good enough to go sans bra for Jack's wedding, and her milkers were around her waist.

Aunt Jack sure was Aunt Jack'ing in Monday's episode. No 70-year old man gushes like that, well unless he's gay or on a Mexican telenovela. .. It was like Jackie was going to start blubbering while reciting his wedding vows for the umpteenth time. .. Hilarious.

DuhVon thinks Fucker is the secret investor working with Aunt Mamie, but his father flatly denies this when interrogated. That denial would be a pretty bold-faced lie to tell his son, so it's probably not him. .. Also, not sure what the drama would be with that anyway. Even DuhVon didn't seem to care all that much (if true). It seemed more about Tucker being secretive. .. Anyway, Tucker seems more interested in Jabot, and that bonsai listening device he's planted at the Abbott house is like something used by KAOS on "Get Smart" ca. 1965. .. It would be funny if Jack told Traci he doesn't want to look at the little tree in the living room all the time, so she moves it to the top of the downstairs toilet tank. Then Tucker would really have something to listen to.

So Heather is moving "back home" to Genoa City -- minus Clueless. That's funny. .. Not sure I care about her and Daniel reconnecting. .. Has Heather run into Adam yet? I want her to ask him if he's fucked any hot Latino lawyers lately?

And while on the subject of Heather. I notice she's on recurring. Can TPTB advance her some cash to go get her extensions re-done? It's obvious they need replacement and are approaching Lindsay Lohan on a bad hair day territory.

Lily, Devon, Abby, Daniel, Heather, Christine are all snooze ville. And the Mammie actress is TERRIBLE and the beyond stupid. Wasn't Aunt Mammie above it all at one time? Making power brockers out of women like Nikki, Mammie, etc. who have no education and no nothing about business is laughable. Better that Mammie had asked greedy Nate to invest for her, and see where he would have abused that.

R80 I agree about FauxMamie. It seems like a lot of viewers love this actress, but I don't get it. I was wondering if she needs those glasses on all the time to read a teleprompter.

R81 I love seeing Mammie again. She's the last actress to play that role and had started a romance with the late John Abbott. Not crazy about her "natural hair". It somehow doesn't look age appropriate. The actress is only in her mid-70's. Who says black don't crack.

Bored with executive Nikki. .. Thank god for Audra.

Claire's hair strands hanging in her face are annoying. Who's idea was this? The actress doesn't wear her hair like that IRL.

Nick and Sally: Haven't these two had this exact same conversation about Adam something like 25 times now? Is it finally over between them?

And if Adam's going to succeed working as an Assistant, shouldn't he be dress the part? .. a tight, athletic-cut, dress shirt and snug pants tailored to highlight the bulge and ass? That's the proper uniform. .. Maybe there's a twink or two down in the mail room can show him how it's done.

Oh, and it looks like Chrissy's back in Los Angeles having tea with the ladies.

So Lauralee is willingly hanging out with a gay man? Guess she's evolved since the days when she freaking out over Thom Bierdz being gay.

Am I remembering this paternity correctly?

Daniel's daughter Lucy is the granddaughter of Sheila Carter.

When was the last time anyone saw Elena in Genoa City?

[quote] Guess she's evolved since the days when she freaking out over Thom Bierdz being gay.

Lauralee told gay reporter, Michael Fairman, that Thom knew that coming out to her would be a non-issue, so much so, that she said she could barely remember when they had "the talk" saying she thinks it was after he'd already left Y&R.

We've known she's been gay-friendly for a long time.

Thom reported that Lauralee stated crying when he told her.

Michael Fairman reported that Thom's recollection of coming out to Lauralee was "murky" and that's why he asked her about it.

Speaking of Lauralee ...

The show plans a "40 Years of Cricket Blair" episode to air on November 2 to mark Lauralee Bell's 40th anniversary. Reports indicate:

[quote] To mark the occasion, Y&R will air a special episode filled with classic clips. In the episode, Christine receives a little help from her friends as she finds herself at a crossroads professionally and romantically . Of course, viewers learned earlier this year that Christine and Paul's marriage ended. The episode will also feature fan favorites Michael Damian (Danny Romalotti) and Tricia Cast (Nina Webster). The throwback clips shown will include Christine's romantic entanglements through the years as well as her epic rivalry with Phyllis Summers.

I wonder if this episode will FINALLY mark the end of Christine trying to patch things up with Paul, and we'll now hear that he accepted Heather's offer to take over the house she's giving up over there, and Paul will be bringing along the cute Portuguese bell boy he's been fucking from the hotel he's been staying at.

Oh please God no R90. Did anyone really like Cricket? Bland Blonde Daddy's Little Girl who wanted her Tiger Beat/16 Magazine crushes on the show as her bf's - and she usually got her way. Tori Spelling she ain't, for good or bad. Low energy, self righteous, she probably is the only actress Melody ever feared on the show.

There is one business story they have never followed up on. When Victor took over Jabot from Jack Abbot, he did it with insider information. David Kimble went to Victor to tell him Jabot was going public so he could buy a majority stake in it. He worked with Mitchel Sherman to create dummy companies to buy up Jabot stock and boom he owned Jabot - All they had to do was write a storyline where Jack finds that out and goes to the FTC and boom Victor and Newman Industries is destroyed. Now that would be good drama.

"I still refer to my character as Cricket."

Bell Sr was dying to get her an Emmy nod. She was in the baby stealing storyline, she was date raped, sexually harassed, found her lost mother who was dying of aids, and nearly married her brother. The problem was they could not cast actors bad enough to make her look good, Tricia Cast ran rings around her, and Darlene Conley as well. Even Michael Damian looked like Redford next to her.

I’d forgotten Terry Lester left the show because she was gobbling up so much airtime. In the 90s, Cricket was always being victimized, or having some calamity inflicted on her. I actually liked her character, but it was during this era when the show was firing nearly on all cylinders. But I came to realize it was a mistake to make her so perfect and this goddess everyone else should aspire to be. EVERY character, down to even the retard Esther, had more depth than her. Ironically she won an Emmy for one of those digital shows, but not one nomination for her acting.

I smile thinking about the Cricket Teen Summer Storyline every summer on Y&R. What new drama would our plucky teen model get involved in this summer?

The running joke was every guy who got cast as Cricket's love interest was gay.

[quote] It’s probably someone lame like Tucker. I’ve given up on the show and it’s ability to surprise its audience anymore.

R60 guessed it. Or at least, that's what Phyllis says at the end of today's episode when she confronts Tucker about what she's discovered between Mamie and him. So apparently, he's willing to lie straight through his teeth to DuhVon who grilled him about Mamie last week.

Makes one wonder, though, where is Tucker getting the cash to buy into Chancellor-Winters? Are we to forget that McCall he was one step away from bankruptcy when Ashley stepped forward to pay off all his company loans earlier this year? And now he's supposedly making some kind of plan to takeover Jabot as well?

This development also makes Aunt Mamie look like a feeble-minded boob who hasn't been paying attention.

[quote]This development also makes Aunt Mamie look like a feeble-minded boob who hasn't been paying attention.

Makes Esther look like Martha Stewart.

Judith Chapman returning soon to Y&R.

Today's Kyle music was reminiscent of The Godfather. I was imagining Jack whispershouting in his ear, "I know it was you, Kyle. You broke my heart!"

R100 that's NOT good news.

Chapman's appearance is probably just one of those one or two episode things like last time, since the photo put up looked like a Baldwin-Fisher get-together Thanksgiving maybe? .. Anyway, Poor Kevvie and Chloe are in the photo as well.

Unfortunately, no sighting of FenMo and his Instaho whom he'd introduced everyone to last time.

[quote] In the 90s, Cricket was always being victimized, or having some calamity inflicted on her.

Those kinds of girls are always such a tragic bore.

Hilarious to see Society open for breakfast. .. What next? A drive-thru?

When Abby first opened the restaurant it was supposed to be like "Pump" in West Hollywood, a glitzy evening/night spot to see and be seen.

The way Griffith is sooooo into business stories, one can only guess that Society is about to give Crimson Lights a run for its money! .. Could Abby be about to mount a takeover!? .. Sharon is taking her eyes of Crimson Lights and letting dimwit Esther manage things. .. This could be the perfect opportunity! (I jest. I think.)

And style-wise, Daniel's new apartment doesn't look like his type of abode at all. .. It looks like they took the other penthouse (Adam's, then Nate's) and are repurposing that set somehow.

And what's with that "new set" where they had Nate and Adam talking? It looks like the end of a corridor at Newman Enterprises leading to an exit door into a stairwell. Wow what imagination! .. My idea would have been a Men's Room with a few urinals. .. Adam and Nate could have had that same chat while taking a piss together.

Does josh Griffith just not know how to write for teens and 20somethings?

They wrote Faith and Moses off. They send Noah and Jack's newly found granddaughter (whatever her name was) off to London and Paris respectively.

Currently the youngest characters on the show are Kyle, Summer and Chance.

Days is bringing in a NuTeen set. GH has brought in NuTeens as well.

They also sent Miss Connor to live with Daisy Duke.

Did they write Chelsea off at the same time as Conner?

When was the last time we saw Chelsea?

R108 Missy Claire took time off to have a baby IRL. I don't think we've seen her in a month. I hope Connor won't come back SORASed.

And yeah, just like when Boredway went on maternity leave, her character is not missed.

[quote]Missy Claire took time off to have a baby IRL.

Another baby? Wasn't she pregnant about a year and a half ago when Chelsea was in wheelchair and pretending not to be able to walk?

[quote] Does josh Griffith just not know how to write for teens and 20somethings?

I actually think he can, because the last teen-based story that I actually liked on this show was a Josh Griffith story. It was when FenMo and Summer were bullying poor Jamie Vernon. And I'd actually suggest that story may have been the best one he did (or at least most memorable) during his 2012-13 stint.

And I also watched much of the the teen-based telenovela, "Hollywood Heights" that Griffith wrote right before he came to Y&R in 2012. That show was actually decent, IMO and has a 7.3 rating by viewers at IMDb.

So I find the absence of younger characters on Y&R right now something of a mystery.

If they'd given Noah and Chance each other's boners to chew on, then we'd've had a story. But nooooo...Abby and Liane and blah blah bland.

There are times when I wish CBS and Sony would give Josh complete autonomy. His default is dark and I would be interested in watching a dark, depraved Y&R.

It's no mystery. Bergman, Braeden, Mel, Stafford etc. won't sit for newbies usurping them. Maybe the CBS research/focus groups back them up. The ego's of these people to keep wanting Emmy noms year after year (when there is zero competetion) is telling. Where is Reed, Johnny, Katie, Christian, Faith along with Noah and the Vietnamese granddaughter of Jack? Next generation means nada. Yet we get the boring Claire, whose connection to anyone is bound to be lame. Audra is the only spark plug of the younger set, and the actress is 33. Sad.

[quote]I find the absence of younger characters on Y&R right now something of a mystery.

The demographic may have evaporated and it's nothing but a loyal core of black viewers and nursing homes who just love that Victor and Nikki and smiling Jack.

[quote]It was when FenMo and Summer were bullying poor Jamie Vernon. And I'd actually suggest that story may have been the best one he did (or at least most memorable) during his 2012-13 stint.

That was a fantastic storyline. Very compelling. I'd forgotten Josh penned that.

However, I have also not forgotten that while on Days, Josh had Ciara Brady get raped on the Horton family sofa. The sofa they've had for decades and all sit on while putting Horton ornaments on the Christmas tree each year.

Chance was DeSORASED when they brought him back a few years ago.

Chance should be in his early 40s these days, as John Driscol, his first adult portrayer, is now 42.

However, Chance is now portrayed in as early 30s as Conner Floyd just turned 30 last week.

Yeah, timeline-wise, Chance and Nick should be the same age, with Chance actually having been born about nine months before Nick.

They also deSORASED Tucker, who's now being played by 52-year old Trevor St. John. He and Jill were said to be born the same night back in the 50s, allowing for the birth certificate switch. Yet, now, 74-year old Jess Walton is actually old enough to be TSJ's mother.

Noah was also deSORASED with Rory Gibson, but that one made sense, since the character is supposed to be younger than Cassie-Mariah, who grew up in real-time with Camryn Grimes in the role. They only SORASed Noah, after Cassie died, otherwise and older actor probably never would have been cast.

Going the other direction, JaBottom and Blabby should be the same age as sell, since they were the two sperm babies, also born just months apart; yet Mealor is 31 and Boredway is now 40.

Trying to make sense of ages, characters, and casting ins and outs on this and most daytime soaps are often too knotty to even bother with and becomes a pointless exercise. You just have to accept things.

Christian LeBlanc has cancer

Get well soon, Chrissy Jules.

Y&R traditionally only does young storylines in the summer then sends them all off to never never land.

[quote]Y&R traditionally only does young storylines in the summer then sends them all off to never never land.

This year, show wrote Faith and Moses off in the winter. Brought Faith back for a couple of weeks in May to be kidnapped by Cameron Kuerston (sp?) and then wrote her off again.

Casting has been issue for me.

Doesn't matter who the EP-HW has been, since about 2017 forward, the teen actors that have been brought in just haven't been very good and have lacked any kind of spark or charisma.

Even the housebound fraus and their caregivers must be tired of hearing Nick and Vic and Nikki and Vicki have the same conversation for the last 5 (10?) years.

I’m sorry to hear that about Christian. Hopefully, everything will be okay.

CLB says he's in remission, but I think he'll need constant monitoring, as multiple myeloma tends to be one of those cancers where patients experience relapse, often more than once. In fact, the City of Hope article on the illness comes right out and says, "Despite improvements in care and novel therapies for the treatment of multiple myeloma, nearly all patients experience relapse."

When was the last time anyone saw Elena?

Are Mariah and Tessa still in Genoa City? Or did the move to London to be near Noah, who also didn't get an official send off.

So it looks like we're going to get Phyllis and Cricket fighting over Danny 30 years later. I'm looking forward to it.

It's totally UNBELIEVABLE that any heterosexual male would fall out of love with CRICKET BLAIR and reject her !!

This can only mean one of three things about Paul:

-- Paul is finally taking steps to live his authentic self. .. His old jack-off buddy, Andy Richards, will soon be joining him in Lisbon full-time. The houseboy has already been hired, and thank god for Viagra.

-- Paul is half-way through his hormone therapy to become "Pauline Williams." .. Special guest star, Caitlyn Jenner, will return in a few months to tell Christine how things are going for Pauline and share photos of the new hair extensions she just got.

-- Paul was abducted by aliens, and during the anal probe, they implanted a chip up his butt. Therefore, there's a reason why all those things that Christine reported to Danny about Paul sound like a big load of crap.

Adeus para sempre, Paulo!

Really surprised that Cricket never had any kids on the show.

She and Paul never had kids and she managed to never get pregnant by any of the many other men who fell for her.

Very strange for a soap opera.

Perhaps Cricket can have a change-of-life baby with Danny.

This will of course be done via IVF to explain why Danny can procreate.

[quote]Where is Reed

He’s currently fronting a band in LA (and looking rather hot doing it).

Doug Davidson is a Trumper, per his Twitter reed.

*feed.

So, Heather and Lucy are moving back to Genoa City for good but Paul is staying in Lisbon?

Vail Bloom certainly lucked out from Cristian LeBlanc's cancer battle.

Not only did she get a short-term gig over the summer, now her character is back in Genoa City to stay. At least for now.

Leabu never displayed much on-screen charisma, and the last time he appeared as Reed, he actually seemed totally bored.

If the character ever returns, please RECAST, and let it be known that NuReed has been making ends meet with his Only Fans page ... and no one subscribes to listen to him sing and play the guitar.

Who missed Chelsea Lawson?

... crickets ...

Tristan Lake Lebeau?

What a fruity name!

It's "Leabu" not "Lebeau" .. Not that it matters..lol

He and his girlfriend are like throwbacks to the late 60s, Summer-of-Love-Woodstock era.

[quote]Who missed Chelsea Lawson? ... crickets ...

Are you suggesting that Christine could replace Chelsea? That Christine should start a romance with Billy?

R143 No, I would suggest that NotBilly continue his romance with totally unnecessary Chelsea OFF-CAMERA over in Myanmar. They can leave town together and return to the city where she first raped him.

R103 Speaking of FenMo, I noticed that the gay twunk who played Fen's boyfriend during his last appearance, was just featured on a male model (instaho) website. Without even looking at his name, I recognized him immediately.

r145 No doubt Fenmore sent that photo home to Michael and Lauren. And Michael has been locked him is room ever since then, jerking off furiously. That's why we haven't seen him since May.

Poor Christian LeBlanc has multiple myeloma. Unfortunately it is incurable, but people can live for years with treatment. I guess his character can be jacking off.

LLB appeared on the local morning show of KTLA-Los Angeles talking about 40 years of Cricket Blair.

R148 I just watched the clip. I used to watch Y&R everyday as a kid and young adult (70s and 80s). I haven't watched it now in several years. I must say that Lauralee Bell looks great. I assume she's had some work done, but it looks natural and not over done.

It's amazing work but they had something going in that family. Her mother had obviously had some work done over time but generally she looked her age while looking really, really good for her age. Either they've got some great genes in that family, chose simple work selectively or bathing in the blood of Brendad Ickson really does work.

[quotes] bathing in the blood of Brendad Ickson really does work.

That's the magic secret. Works wonders. But works for members of the Bell family.

LLB does look good. .. The main thing that ages is her are her hands. .. I think she must be trying collagen shots. .. At times they've looked Halloween scary.

Today we heard Miss Connor chose his own boarding school and is now building self-esteem and PRIDE among other boys like him.

One imagines that the dorm he's opted to move into will never be the same.

He's taken control, and they'll be putting on their first musical production -- an all-boy production of Cabaret!

I hate Summer like wild, but letting a subordinate, proven failure like Chloe talk back to her was absurd. She should have just fired her on the spot. Summer doesn't rate an office, just the use of the conference room to discuss the 'Spring Line' lol.

R154 That was hilarious. I was trying to imagine me talking back to my boss like that. Ha!

Then I imagined one of the recently-fired breakdown writers challenging Griffith and telling him that he was making a huge mistake about the direction of one of his storylines for November sweeps.

Her latest post is hilarious. Her book has pictures!

Her latest post.

What's even funnier is that BrendaD would fit right in with the ultra-filtered floating heads appearing on the cover of every issue of the now-departed Soap Opera Digest.

I'm guessing Kate Linder will use her episodes on B&B to submit in the Daytime Emmy Guest Performer category. She's probably already putting her reel together to meet the early entry date.

So Chance is shot.

Hilarious that he's now the Chief of Police, - which is basically an administrative-deck job - but NOW he gets shot. LOL! .. And wait! Didn't that just happen to him a couple of years ago, when Griffith had some underfive from Kansas aiming for Adam, but she shot Chance instead??? .. Maybe Chance should think about wearing his bulletproof vest out when he's out in the field.

Okay, and isn't it SOAP 101 to have hunks in hospital beds laid out SHIRTLESS ?!?. .. Griffith fails this simple soap test. .. After an episode or two, I'd have a hot male orderly come in to give Chance a sponge bath.

Finally, I wonder if anyone will remember to call Phillip. .. A story like this would actually be a good time to have a NuPhillip arrive for a brief appearance to establish himself, then have the new actor return for something longer at New Year's.

Phillip 3 should definitely be back for this storyline.

If Thom's not suitable for the role anymore, they can always recast.

OMG! There is someone under 20 in Genoa City! Is she going to turn into a zombie and eat everyone over 20?

I thought the show got rid of all the characters under age 20. But here they brought Lucy back to town.

Johnny and his shadow, Miss Connor, can't be far behind.

Lucy has an old lady hairstyle and she looks and acts like she's 45. Dull.

R164 My exact impression. I think I even posted on a previous thread that she's one of those teenagers who could pass for thirtysomething.

Reed, Madie and Charlie should all be over 20 by now.

Does that mean they can safely come back to Genoa City.

If-when they ever bring back (and RECAST) Charlie and Mattie, they should just imply that time has stood still for these two, and they're both 18 and in their first year of college. Yep, it's been a long Freshman year. .. Even that would be pushing it when it comes to their mother, Lily's age.

It would really be no different than how JaBottom is now being played by 31-year old Mealor, when the first adult Kyle (Blake Hood) is 38; or how Chance is now played by 29-year old Conner Floyd, when the character should be the same generation as Nick.

How can it be 40 years of Cricket Blair when she left the show for half of it?

Interesting question. .. But even when Cricket Blair went off-contract and moved abroad, she still managed to show up for some episodes in Genoa City nearly every year. There were only three years when she didn't, and during one of those years (2007), the character did a cross-over on B&B.

A year ago, Y&R celebrated Christian LeBlanc's 30th anniversary. They seemed to forget the fact he was off the show for three years in the 90s.

A year ago, the show celebrated Eileen Davidson and Beth Maitland's 40th anniversary. They ignored the fact Eileen was on Days for six years in the 90s. Or that she was on B&B for almost two years.

These anniversary episodes typically have to do with when the character was introduced and not about the actor consistently playing the part the whole time.

Take a drink every time Hans says, "Loony bin."

LOL at the gunshot victim - a COP no less, unguarded and nothing hooked up to him. All would have been forgiven if Conner Floyd just were lying in bed, bare chested. He is beautiful. Having these harpies hovering over him. Sorry, you cannot make me like Summer/Dummer.

The black man fired at Newman could have been a hot topic sl. Nate DID nothing outwardly wrong. If this is truly how corporate America works, no wonder we have Trump. Of course any company that has former pole dancer and high school drop out Nikki as its CEO is on shaky ground to begin with.

So true, R172. And I was laughing at the argument that Victor shouldn't go away for treatment of his mental problem because the business community would get nervous about the state of Newman Enterprises. How so? I haven't kept track, but it seems like they've been playing " CEO of the Day" at the company for the last five or more years. I seriously doubt anyone on the outside cares or even knows exactly who's running NE on any given day.

What I think could have made this lame story to uncover the traitor is if they'd brought Leanna Love in for a few episodes. We'd see her coming up with reports on Victor's rumored mental decline, peppering her reports with some of the crazy crap he's done in the past. We'd eventually learn that her source was Nate, so that would show that he actually was being traitorous, but he told Leanna to hold off till he heard from her. Leanna waited, but when he didn't call (he was getting fired), she ran with it.

When they did the anniversary episodes they said Leanna would be back. But since then, we've only seen her once on some video feed. This kind of Anti-Newman story would be right up her alley, and Victor would have no one to blame for this getting out to the business community, because he started the whole ruse to begin with.

Glad we can cancel the APB on Eleana now that's she's reappeared at the hospital.

Question is, where has she been in the past 4-5 months when we didn't see her?

R124 the Elena actress seemed to be wearing a wig. I hope she's ok in real life.

Nikki's supposedly going to see her Sister Casey.

Think we'll actually see her? Roberta Lips Leighton still looks pretty rough.

And Psycho Claire is there with a hypodermic needle ready to pull a Dianejenkins on Nikki?

Someone should have informed Griffith that Halloween was two weeks ago.

And on the subject of faces, Melody's is really starting to sag. It's quite noticeable in the preview. I think those wisps of hair around it make her look even more drawn and haggard.

[quote]And on the subject of faces, Melody's is really starting to sag. It's quite noticeable in the preview. I think those wisps of hair around it make her look even more drawn and haggard.

Mel's Ozempic weight loss is sure doing a number on her face. All that sagging seems related to the weight loss. In that preview for next week, she looks especially bad. She's gaunt and looks like she's sick.

If I were Victor, I'd be sending her to the doctor rather than to see his sister Casey. But then Casey is a doctor . . .

Where has Audra vanished to with all the Newman drama? I heard Zuleka Silver is not getting favorable mail from the fraus who don't like somebody smarter than Nikki. This show has gold with Zuleyka and would be foolish to diminish a good bad girl.

Nikki said "OR-AH-GONE" today.

[quote]I heard Zuleka Silver is not getting favorable mail from the fraus who don't like somebody smarter than Nikki.

If that's the case, the list of people the fraus don't like must be endless.

But that does explain the longevity of Esther.

There's not much to complain about Esther. Her episode count is so low that if the fraus fall asleep in their recliners while watching, they might miss her. Linder is basically a glorified talk-to who gets a few more lines than an underfive.

This Nikki/Claire thing has come out of left field. Claire is such an obvious weirdo. How'd she get hired? No one does background checks at this mega billion dollar corporation? We know Audra was checking into her, but Audra has been gone for weeks, presumably the takeover of Jabot dominating her time. Wouldn't Nikki travel with security since she is kidnapped every other year?

Another glaringly stupid point in this Nikki fiasco. The Newman jet set down in whatever city Clare is holding Nikki. OBVIOUSLY a limo took them to 'Aunt Jordan's house. Maybe an Uber? LOL. How hard would it be to track her? Who writes this shit?

It was the same mastermind writer who set televisions ablaze with the explosive chemistry of... Devon and Abby...

They've barely developed the character of Claire. She only joined the show in late September. Now she's holding Nikki hostage???

Where's the suspense in this? Where's the build up to this?

Why should we care about this?

Curious. I have not watched Y&R since I was a pre-pubescent teen. They used to have psycho men as a plot device but ever since Shelia they have used psycho women. Are there no good crazy men bad guys anymore?

This arc, if you can call it that, is totally plot-driven, much the way the recent Cameron Kirsten arc was. .. At least with that one, there was some history to draw upon.

Since we barely know Claire, I assume the suspense here is supposed to revolve around, "Who is Great Aunt Jordan?"

And is Nikki the only target? Near the end of today's episode, Claire said something about, "returning to Genoa City to make the rest of the arrangements," telling hostage Nikki, "Don't worry, you'll be with the rest of your family soon."

But no, we don't really care, because Griffith will undoubtedly not kill off any Newman.

r185 forgets that the soap opera community decided post-OJ that what audiences [italic]really[/italic] want are stories that wrap quickly. None of this dragging things out for months, even years.

And we saw how well that worked for ABC and P&G in the '00s.

Viewers claim to want longer arc stories like in the olden days, yet are endlessly searching for spoilers. And once they know the spoiler, they bitch that they don't like the story and that things are being dragged out and want it to end yesterday.

Single worst thing that ever happened to soaps was when they started releasing detailed spoilers about upcoming plots.

Funny line in the opening of Thursday's episode when Nikki is pacing and thinking about her situation and says to herself, "Just calm down, you've dealt with worse than this."

This whole story is being done for MTS's Emmy reel.

Mel has a better chance of needing an enema, than ever thinking she's getting an Emmy. She is not well liked in the industry.

Kate Linder will win a Daytime Emmy before Mel.

R175 If you look at her IG page, she's wearing her own hair in corn rows, so maybe that's not the look they want for Elena.

Who are they firing to pay for Colleen Zenk?

If you are making this up, r196, may a house fall on you as you melt away.

I would never lie about Barbara Ryan, R197.

It's more than likely a guest stint just like the Cameron Kirsten thing was.

r198 Suddenly, it's the most wonderful story in the world.

Hayley Erin was boring on GH and she’s boring during this second stint of hers on Y&R.

whoa!! What a surprise!!! unknown sister of Nikki?

What a time!

"Hello, Nikki."

Preview shows Nikki back on the bottle.

Yeah, she's goin' for that Daytime Emmy.

[quote]Hayley Erin was boring on GH and she’s boring during this second stint of hers on Y&R.

I have to agree.

I'm not thrilled with Erin either, but I get the idea that she's supposed to be something of a 'bot who's under the direction-control of Evil Great Aunt Jordan.

Get out your bandanas.

More casting news as J. Eddie Peck returns as Cole 'Aw Shucks' Howard.

From this photo, it looks like he's standing in the living room of the new set where Nikki is being held hostage.

^Now THAT is good news.

Wow. Who lit a fire under Josh Griffith?

I would note that J. Eddie was one of the few vets who traveled 'cross country to attend the 50th Anniversary Party last March. Maybe Griffith met him and had a brain fart. At some point during this time, he made a return to L.A.

J. Eddie has never worked with Amelia, only Heather as Victoria. I guess his stay will be a short one. Peck was hot in his heyday, but Cole was one of the more boring stud horses for Ashley and Victoria.

When Victor was listing Victoria's disatarous past lovers, he didn't bring up Cole. Hmmm....

[quote] J. Eddie has never worked with Amelia

R213 Well, J. Eddie and Amelia were kind of a thing as Jake Martin and Mia Saunders on AMC, so yes, they've worked together ... in Pine Valley.

[quote] "Hello, Nikki."

Exactly my thought - they should TOTALLY do that!

J Eddie had a good visit in the Locher Room in late July.

J Eddie was gracious throughout the entire session and spoke highly of Y&R and Bill Bell.

Maybe he was setting the stage for his return to Genoa City.

R211 exactly!

Y&R knows how to hire hot daddies....but they all turn out to be evil.

Linden Ashby, Richard Burgi, Robert Newman and Trevor St John have all played variations on the same damn character. (Of course for Burgi and Newman it WAS the same character, but still.....)

[quote] ... but Cole was one of the more boring stud horses for Ashley and Victoria.

I haveta agree. Peck was handsome (still is) but Cole was often sleep-inducing. Not sure what all the excitement is about.

R215 never knew he did AMC thanks.

J Eddie Peck is not only gorgeous but he’s extremely nice. I once called in to an online interview he was doing and got to ask him a few questions, and he couldn’t have been sweeter.

I'd forgotten J Eddie was in Pine Valley too. Before that dreadful Ricky Paull creature.

R222 he loves engaging with his gay fan base. Man he really hit a lot of the soaps prime time and daytime. Dude knew where his bread was buttered.

The rumor is that he’s back because Claire is actually Eve, the dead daughter of Cole and Victoria.

In his defence, didn’t he play a novelist on Y&R? That’s a hard role to make interesting.

R226 Yes, Charles 'Cole" Howard was a novelist. Another one he fucked was wannabe novelist, Nina. This was during the Cole-Victoria-Ryan-Nina quad. Nina was interested in writing and began working as Cole's research assistant. They had sex one time, up at some cabin.

Some viewers were perplexed about this, while others a little mad, because they didn't actually show this. We knew they'd starting making out, but when they came back to the scene, it didn't appear that they'd followed through. .. A few months later as Nina's marriage to Ryan continued to crumble, and Vicky seemed to want to recommit to her marriage to Cole, it came out that Nina and Cole actually did have sex. Right after that reveal is when Sarah Aldrich took over the role from Bitchtoria, so some thought that may have influenced the decision to revisit the scene that we didn't actually see.

And besides having to play a boring novelist, Cole's relationship and subsequent marriage to FauxAshley (Shari Shatthefuckup) was a total misfire. .. Then, when they finally canned her and brought Eileen back to the role, Peck just couldn't make it work; there was no chemistry whatsoever. .. By that point, Cole had basically become this extra, stand-alone character, so one who could easily be dispatched to London to be a professor at Oxford. .. No big loss. .. The writing had been on the wall ever since the "big story" about which partner living in the Abbott house was going to secure the room over the garage as their home office: writer Cole Howard or architect Dianejenkins? We were all waiting on baited breath ....

Chrissy put up a photo that looks like they're already in a police custody or jail interview room.

I forget is Cole supposed to be Victor's son? Eve Howard was his mother and didn't she claim he was Victor's son? I know Bell loved to play wtih incest stories. Rumor back in the day that Kimberlin Brown and J. Eddie were a thing while Kimberlin was married (not sure if J.Eddie was at the time).

R230 No. That was always Eve's rather obsessive claim. More than once. They played that story in the early 80s; then played it again when Eve found out that Cole was dating Victoria, so she came to town to warn about the incest factor. But in the end, Victor investigated things further and tests proved that some ex- of Eve's named "Marvin Oakley" (actor Frank Whiteman) had fathered Cole.

The Thanksgiving Day episode is said to be from February 4, 1993 and contain scenes with Eve Howard. This episode might air at a different time in some time zones and not at all on the West Coast. Maybe it will be available for streaming at cbs.com.

Cole + Sharon = Colon!

I have to say, MTS's drunken hag act is some of the best camp this show has done in decades. Brava!

Aunt Mamie ... I've had sufficient.

And her "true Chancellor heir" garbage regarding DuhVon? .. Just shut up.

Chance is the true CHANCELLOR heir. Even the Old Battleaxe knew that. After PC3 (presumably) died, Kay was all about PC4 knowing his legacy. In 1998, she wanted the 10-year old boy to be the guest of honor at her big gala celebrating "everything Chancellor." Nina thought Little Phillip was too young for this and wouldn't let him attend.

Maybe this is why they're hinting at Chance changing careers and joining Jill at Chancellor-WInters. It's about time.

The only issue I have with this is that there's already too much business crap in this show.

Society may have been serving turkey, but Michael and Gloria brought all the ham.

this show could use more Gloria

When I still watched, Gloria was a welcome break from the misery of watching Nick, Sharon, Victor, Nikki, Victoria, etc. moping about.

She brings zest. She’s fun to watch.

Gloria always added some excitement and some mischief to the show -- two things desperately missing in Genoa City these days.

Bring back Gloria!

And her gay grandson too!

Yeah, too bad FenMo couldn't be at the par-tay. .. I guess Zach was on location filming something in Ohio.

God no to Gloria. No no no no! Chapman is an acquired taste. Her Tennesee Williams shtick is lousy.

I can tolerate GloHo recurring. I actually enjoyed her when they had her working as the receptionist at Jabot. She's the kind of recurring character that could add some entertaining commentary to scenes now and again. Leanna Love is another one. Back in the day, recurring characters like that were part of the landscape.

I don't like Traci's new hairdo

I'm glad they gave Traci the line "I'm hungry".

[quote] I don't like Traci's new hairdo.

Not finding any luck with the guys, Traci's decided to go butch and try her luck with the gals at The Passionfruit Lounge downtown on Market Street.

I hope Gloria stays and that they give her plenty to do. She's one of my favorite Y&R characters of all time. Who brought her on the show?

R246 Chapman was cast as GloHo by executive producer/co-head writer, Jack Smith, after Valene didn't want to continue playing the role.

Valene didn't want to work so hard

R241, while not Williams, I saw Judith Chapman in August, Osage County — she was sublime.

It might be difficult for GloHo to be any more than recurring, since it's my understanding that she lives out in Palm Springs full-time now. The old broad is 72, and it's like 125 miles to Television City one-way.

Judith Chapman is lighting the Palm Springs Xmas tree!

I think her bf had a restaurant there at one time but that no longer seems to be the case.

r246

a lot of NAMES came in to read for the part of Gloria. I think Susan Blakely and Valerie Perrine.

Chapman came in and TOOK the part. She owned it from the minute she came in and just wowed them.

I give Judith a "10" on the Gloria scale.

^ Bitch.

Aunt Jordan serves Victor, Nick and Victoria poisoned water and tells them they will all die.

I'd actually applaud Josh Griffith he had the guts to kill off four Newmans in one fell swoop.

I was thinking, "Oh, finally," r256.

I guess the rest from the strike did Joshie some good.

LOL how hard would it be for one of the supposed richest men in the USA to find a hospital near 'Aunt Jordan's locale? He would have had a security detail there in a second. Did they forget about Aunt Casey?

At least they could have pumped a brand name vodka into Nikki.

Did you guys see this? Traci Abbott attends a pool party with Dataloungers.

R258, did Josh honor the picket line/strike? I assumed he didn’t stop working.

R251, Traci and Beth Maitland really take a beating on DL.

Imagine a show hiring all of those background actors today? Imagine Amy being the only person of color at that rager? Imagine Danny call Traci “giiirl” with no sense of irony.

R258 he’s fi core so he didn’t have to stop and he didn’t

Tho in fairness he stopped writing eons ago

Lauren's bitchy friend was played by Karrie Emerson, who left Y&R and the West Coast to go and work in NYC as a recast Jodie Travis after Lori Loughlin left.

[quote] Did they forget about Aunt Casey?

Sister Casey was totally unaware that Nikki was planning to meet up with her. It was going to be a surprise, so that plot point is rather moot.

And Nikki may have been the one to get the surprise. .. After her conference in Napa, Casey and her gal pal planned to jump in their brand new Subarau Outback and head into San Francisco to do some barhopping before spending Thanksgiving weekend at the Ladylove B&B in Bernal Heights.

They should bring Zimmer on as Aunt Casey.

Aunt Gassy, maybe.

Not enough scenery for Zimmer to chew with this Aunt Jordan around.

Watching that clip at R261, I first thought how incredibly difficult it must have been for Beth to play that scene. Then I got a look at her teeth. Yikes! Then I got a look at Tracey’s teeth. Another yikes!

I did laugh when Gina suggested something low caloric for Nina and encourages Ryan to eat steak and pasta

When she was on The Squawk, Maitland said this about the fat stories.

from a time it wasn't boring...

And all the fatties in the audience put their hooves together and clapped!

Hello, bearded blond daddy!

Maitland does a terrific job.

How horrifying was in back in the day when John Abbott would come down to the breakfast table and greet Ashley with “good morning, my beauty,” then, “good morning, Tracey”?

What a fucking asshole.

They should have hired that bulgy young John Abbott that was in those flashback shows a few years back

Guess I missed the Brooks era of YR

R270, that’s funny. In 30 years someone will be on DL talking about the trend of oversized veneers and teeth so bright they glow in the dark.

R279 & R275 — I loved the Brooks so much. Oddly, Lorie was my least favorite (and, R270, if I remember correctly she had some horse chompers with gums galore).

I absolutely loved Victoria Mallory’s Leslie. (She looked nothing like the rest of her family, but maybe that loose Jennifer stepped out (again) with a sexy dark-haired gentleman.

Bill Bell reused almost all of the early Y&R stories on B&B - Capitol killer.

One of my favorite things about early, early YR is the dialogue.

R281, I didn’t like the dialogue at all, but I loved the music cues.

For you, R280

Genoa City 1991....Katherine and Dina scheme against Jill. Jack's tired of his wife Nikkis boozing. Traci sees Brad and Ashley embrace. Jill runs to Rex. Traci marries Brad. Mamie sings.

Well, Griffith goes from A to Z in this Aunt Jordan yarn.

*** SPOILER *** .

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Jordan explains that she's Eve Howard's sister seeking revenge for the way Victor treated Eve. .. Like who carries a grudge for a dead sister for over 30 years? (*) .. As I recall, nutty Eve seemed to be living a fairly good life when we last saw her and was on a cruise when she received the letter from Cole telling her that he was in love with Victoria Newman. This prompted her to return to Genoa City to warn about the incest. .. But once there, she caught Soap Opera Mystery Illness, couldn't communicate. and this led to a mother-son deathbed scene. .. And does Jordan not know that Eve was lying about Cole's paternity all along? She was an obsessive screwball who caused all kinds of trouble for Victor every time she turned up like a bad penny over the issue.

Anyway, Claire is now referring to Jordan as "mother," so that's their actual relationship.

And Cole appears innocent in all this. He was knocked out and stumbles into the room during the final scene in Monday's episode. .. Jordan announces that Cole needed to be there for "the family reunion." He looks totally perplexed about what's going on.

(*) This set-up seems about as stoopid as MAB's "Sarah Smythe" revenge plot against Lauren for Lauren's treatment of Sarah's sister, Sheila. .. At least we got hot "Ryder Callahan" out of that mess.

[quote]At least we got hot "Ryder Callahan" out of that mess.

Ahhh, the lovely Wilson Bethel, whose latest program, All Rise, was just canceled on OWN.

Ryder Carter!!! Shirtless. He didn't age well...

r285

where did you find a vid that goes to the end?

R288 Global TV (Canada).

Can’t believe this is the best they can come up with. And why would the batshit crazy sister wait so long to exact this stupid revenge? I was watching it in the 90s and I don’t recall Victor treating Eve THAT bad. Victors treated others way worse. Jack alone could push him out the Newman Towers window and be justified.

And why am I reading about it here? Did Mimi Torchin join us?

R291 DL threads are not spoiler free. Are you from FrauCentral?

Bad storytelling. Why not just have Claire show up out of the blue and then reveal she is one of the Newmans?. She was kidnapped. A victim. Solved. Why do we have to live thru the "bad girl gets reformed and eventually bonds with Bio-Mom" trope?.

I have to agree with with r291

Congratulations to those of you who get to see Y&R a day early in Canada. Bravo for you!

But keep it to yourself. Don't spoil the show for those of us in America.

If you feel the uncontrollable need to spoil the show for those of us in America, there are plenty of other sites where you can do it. Not here.

CLIP------>>> Victor calls Eve deceptive and manipulative.....This was after she died...She had originally tried to pass Cole off as Victors son.

whoops....CLIP....

Fun Trivia....The actors who currently play Cole and Victoria worked together on AMC...

Fun Trivia -- Margaret Mason, the actress who played Eve Howard on Y&R, also played Linda Patterson on Days of Our Lives in the early 1970s. Linda was lawyer Mickey Horton's secretary. Mickey and Linda had an affair which contributed to Mickey and Laura Horton's marriage falling apart.

Later Linda was engaged to Mickey's brother Tommy. She also bedded Mickey's teenage son Mike Horton in effort to prove to a confused Mike that he wasn't gay. Linda also married millionaire Bob Anderson.

I was not old enough to watch the show back in the day, but that Victoria Mallory oozed goodness, I really like her. so sad that she passed away so young-

I’ll,take any activity we can get on these boards. Bring on the spoilers! Or anything except poop references…

Sorry but Haley Erin wasn't even that great on GH. I don't see her becoming an heiress/heroine on the YR canvas. CLIP....

How old must Jordan have been when Eve and Victor hooked up, oh 50 years ago? Zenk is late 60's, I guess. I dunno stupid stupid cheap storyline to get Mel an Emmy nod, I suppose. Does Jordan know Eve's thwarted attempts to kill Nikki repeatedly before the 1984 wedding? Humanizing Victoria may have been the one twist that MIGHT have worked if Claire was her 'daughter' but Gawd awful wrap it up before Christmas so we can have Newman family Christmas reconci;liation doesn't deliver sh!t.

This whole thing is one desperate November Sweeps.

Colleen is 70 (and yes, she looks damn good for it too).

R304, Especially for someone who had extensive oral surgery for her cancer.

La Zenk burning up the screen today on Y&R. Coming for that Guest Actor Emmy...

Good for her. She deserves a comeback and I am HERE for it.

Doesn’t take a whole lot to act circles around the wooden Braeden, Heinle and Morrow.

[quote] La Zenk burning up the screen today on Y&R

That brand new set might be demolished by the time she's finished.

HAM is being served!

HAM!

HAM!

Worked in the ATWT production office for a spell in the early 90s, and Colleen seemed just lovely. Friendly and upbeat.

Very un-Barbara… not glam… more of a sweatshirt and no makeup type, but gorgeous. She didn’t need to be dolled up.

[quote] Anyway, Claire is now referring to Jordan as "mother," so that's their actual relationship.

Oh wait. Scratch that. It seemed like Claire directed that question to Jordan, but that's not the case.

CZ is very nice. She had a run of terrible awful life things happen to here over a 10 year period that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I am surprised she didn't decide to say fuck it all and check out.

Tongue Cancer (twice, I think?) and then 2 DUI's... With what she went through with cancer, her husband, ect- I truly have so much sympathy for her...

Jensen Buchanan on the other hand- not as much. Her husband left her but she was left TONS of money, was attractive, healthy- that DUI was a life destroyer for who she hit, and she has basically disappeared. I heard she lives in Vancouver or something...

[quote] I am surprised she didn't decide to say fuck it all and check out.

Most people who have kids want to stick around for them.

Colleen’s ex, Mark Pinter, remarried in 2017. This is his current wife.

Morrow, Heinle and Braeden seemed stunned to be in the presence of a real actress - one who didn't just phone it in.

CZP retweeting comments on Twitter including one that said "She's aged well."

R318, It’s clear she has a problem with saying certain words, almost like lisp.

I’m sure she went through oral reconstruction and speech therapy.

She had part of her tongue removed and then had it bridged back together of some sort.

I'm so glad she's able to be here with us today. I hope she doesn't leave Y&R.

[quote] HAM is being served!

All that's needed is for the makeup crew to slap a mustache on her to twirl.

HAHAHHA You're adorable R321!

Aunt Jordan will be lucky if she makes it out of Genoa City alive.

It's hard to believe when ATWT was cancelled that Maura West was the only one YR snatched up from the cast.

And boy, did they fuck THAT up. It could have been literally any other character and probably would have been great.

[quote] CZP retweeting comments

CZ now, no P.

Another 1991 Episode has been uploaded. LINK... Ninas trial verdict is read (she had shot David Kimble).Jill vows to get her hands on Ninas baby after the trial..Danny and Cricket and Katherine are all in the gallery....Victor discusses Lauren Fenmores absence with Paul...Scott tells Sheila that Lauren had a baby and said she had an affair during their marriage. Sheila confesses she knew about the pregnancy because Lauren was running around the hospital using an alias and that Scott is not the father of Laurens baby (the TRUTH finally rolls out of Sheilas mouth). Scott doesn't understand how Paul and Lauren have a baby but seem to have no interest in getting married. Sheila is perplexed about why Lauren and Paul are lying to Scott about Paul being her baby daddy..Flashback to the baby swap. Scott shows up at Pauls office to talk.

None of what "Aunt Jordan" is saying is true, not about the way her sister was supposedly treated nor about Cole and Victoria's and their baby. .. She's a delusional dingbat.

The worst that can happen here is that Claire Grace actually is Baby Eve, and we now have to put up with one more Newman added to the canvas played by a very bland actress.

The best that can happen here is that Nick seeks to have the big knife scar across his chest removed and begins to undergo numerous up-close and personal treatments of the shirtless kind in pursuit of that goal.

Speaking of bland actresses, is Lilly Abbott still around?

Watching that clip up until the cast intro, it’s remarkable how well written and interesting the show was then. I watched regularly during those years. It hasn’t been that good in a very long time.

The crew must have worked overtime to replace the set each day after all the scenery chewing this week.

VIDEO CLIP......Jordan vs. Newmans.

Bravo to La Zenk for lighting a fire on Y&R!

Well, that scene was not very good (writing) but Colleen significantly elevated it.

Does Morrow have any other look besides constipated?

I was waiting for this logo to appear at the end.

So word (perhaps gossip) is Mark Grossman and Courtney Hope called it quits last month. (But they're still friends.)

Mark Grossman is another soap closet case. Cute. But not a great actor.

The second costar he was balling and then dumped.

Is Mark Grossman determined to stick his dick into every female Y&R cast member?

[quote]Is Mark Grossman determined to stick his dick into every female Y&R cast member?

I'm available.

Grossman's handsome but I don't see the fuss.

Then again, almost no one on YR has been worth the fuss in eons. Bill Bell used to have at least a little eye candy.

Conner Floyd IS all that, just wasted on this shit show. A pairing with Dummer would be a fate worse than another go round with Drabby.

I forgot about him. He does look better with his haircut. No more Chia Chance.

Conner Floyd on vacation in Italy, sporting a tattoo we’ve yet to see on Y&R.

fuck ME he looks hot there

[quote] Cute. But not a great actor.

I think Mark has proven to be a great find. I never think about that other guy.

Michael Muhney was hot and fuckable in that dirty sort of way.

Someone should have hired him and Robert Kelker Kelly as brothers.....

Shirtless Nick bandaged was hot.

Aunt Jordan hiding in the ventilation ducts?

R351 The ventilation duct was above a bookcase. The way the camera panned up the bookcase, I imagine it's some kind of false door that can be opened. If 70-year old Aunt Jordan tried to crawl through a ventilation duct, she'd probably need a hip operation by the time she got out.

[quote] Michael Muhney was hot and fuckable in that dirty sort of way. Someone should have hired him and Robert Kelker Kelly as brothers.

Yeah. Because they look so much alike.

R353 I assumed R350's "brother" comment had to do with rumors about RKK's equally bad backstage behavior.

R354 Bingo. They both have the inappropriate/dirty vibe.

As did the late Billy Miller (RIP).

^^^ Billy Miller?? I never heard anything bad about Billy Miller's behavior. Didn't he just have a tendency to get involved with costars? (Liz Hendrickson, Jessica Collins, Kelly Monaco) I don't follow GH, but both Liz and Jessica from Y&R shared good memories after he died, as did many actors on Y&R.

Billy Miller definitely had a dirty, sleazy vibe going on while he was on All My Children as Ritchie Novack. I assumed that was part of the character of Ritchie, but then when he moved to Y&R, the Billy Abbott character he was portraying also had a dirty, sleazy vibe going on.

Gradually, Billy Abbott lost that dirty, sleazy quality, or at least it was downplayed drastically. But it was definitely there at first.

Maybe that dirty sleazy was part of Billy Miller's personality, just like it was/is of RKK and Michael Muhney.

[quote] I never heard anything bad about Billy Miller's behavior.

I didn't say he had behaved badly. I just said that all three - MM, RKK and Billy - had that bad boy vibe down.

This story about Eve the dead baby and her aunt Jordan is one of the most poorly written stories ever aired on Y&R. What an embarrassing shit show.

Wouldn't ole Vic - recipient of Colleen's heart eons ago - have been likely to just croak with that posion rushing through him? I don't know if this sweeps crap was meant to bond the bickering Newmans. I just hope they all find a way to blame Adam, lol. The actress playing Claire knows how to flare her nose, and that's about the extent of her talent. So a year from now, she'll probably be the heroine and running Newman and chasing off Chance and Nate.

[quote]So a year from now, she'll probably be the heroine and running Newman and chasing off Chance and Nate.

Or more likely to go the way of Allie Nguyen Abbott. Shipped off to Paris without even a goodbye scene.

R361 Just like her dear old dad

337, no. Sadly, JM just have that one look. He's extremely nice to everyone though; From EP to lowly newbie PA, he treats everyone the same.

Believe me, LA is a 'what can you do for me' town. JM is rare.

Miller? The sad truth is his nickname at at least one place was 'Grumpy Miller.'

He had the role of a lifetime in Billy Abbott. poor little rich boy whom all the women wanted to save, mother, and fuck.

He soon found out that Hollywood didn't respond to him the way daytime did. EVERYONE wanted him when he left Y&R; well, by everyone, the other three shows.

He discovered after joining GH that he was just a placeholder till Steve came back. Some actors are never happy. Look at Jacob what's his name dissing those teen romance movies he did. Dude didn't say no when offered the parts, did he?

It's too bad Billy didn't get the help he needed. I know people who've opted to get out and they take that path. The irony is there's no guarantee that it's better on the other side.

[quote] This story about Eve the dead baby and her aunt Jordan is one of the most poorly written stories ever aired on Y&R. What an embarrassing shit show.

Yeah, it's another one of those plot-driven messes that Griffith poops out and plays like a TV movie over a few episodes. At least the recent Cameron Kirsten one had some basis in that he was a previously-known villain who would of course hold a grudge against Sharon and Nick. .. Plus, we knew he was alive and in jail and might get out some day. .. This Jordan character is a bunch of hooey.

Aunt Jordan hiding in the air vent is the kind of camp ridiculousness this show needs

It's terribly written but Zenk is playing the fuck out of it.

The chick who plays Claire used to play Abby years ago when the character was a teen. She spoke with a Valley Girl lilt and did this thing with her neck that got her the nickname “Bobblehead” on an old forum I used to frequent.

There have only been two PERFECT "stolen baby" soap opera stories...

OLTL = Natalie kidnapped on screen in 1986.. Returned 25 years later.

Young Restless = The perfect crime. Sheila Carter swapped black market baby Dylan with Scotty. On camera Sheila literally switched the babies, took new footprints and made new hospital records for both of them while wearing her nurses uniform. This created years of storylines on two different shows. The (re-married) Scott and Lauren argued after Lauren found out Scott knew Sheila was alive and was protecting her.

Lauren = Sheila stole OUR baby.

Scott = No. She stole YOUR baby. She gave our son to ME.

Fans of Zenk might like watching Alan He/Him's hour-long interview with her in The Locher Room.

Looks like Chrissy either is or has been in the hospital again.

R370 He has multiple myeloma (plasma cell cancer). It's treatable but not curable. Most people survive 5 years with treatment but most will not make it 10 years.

I heard - not an internet spoiler - Zenk shows up in GC in disguise as a maid who gets a job at the Newman ranch. WTF?? Same person told me CZ is Carson Daly's mother in law???

R372 CZ was kinda sorta Carson Daly's MIL for a time. Carson's wife Siri was Mark Pinter's daughter with another woman (his first wife, maybe?) and Colleen was Siri's stepmom for many years until Colleen and Mark broke up.

R370 Yeah, I know. Personally, I've known two people with that form of cancer. Remission is possible (as he recently reported), but it's also a form of cancer where relapses are generally expected, so his struggle with the illness might just be beginning.

[quote] I heard - not an internet spoiler - Zenk shows up in GC in disguise as a maid who gets a job at the Newman ranch.

Geez, let's re-do Kay Alden's story about Veronica Landers aka "Sarah the Maid".

Griffith must be reviewing 1998-99, because both that and the Baby Eve Howard story came from around that time.

Well, he IS writing the show himself, so I guess he has to be a big ole copycat

It’s Marie Masters who is Carson’s MIL.

R377 No.

If it means anything, I'm Carson Daly's ex-neighbor kid who lived directly across the street from him and his mother and stepfather when Carson was a teenager. .. And Carson's mother totally freaked out when he started to talk seriously about wanting to become a Catholic priest. They were Catholic, but she wanted grandbabies!!

This is a good interview Coleen did in 2009, a year before her divorce. A poster on Daytime Confidential linked it.

WoW. If the rumors are true about CZ becoming the maid it really is a rehash of previous storylines...In 2005 Sheila returned to YR and was disguised as Jennifer (the waitress). She would run around Ginas and spy on various members of Laurens family. She was also Brenda (Scottys writing partner from Canada)...Photo of Jennifer and her fake nose/chin etc etc.

I'm still dead bitches!

I am a big fan of CZ from her ATWT days but I think the idea that she could disguise herself and become the maid is ridiculous. Especially once she spoke, since CZ's tongue cancer surgery changed the way she speaks in a very noticeable way.

No insult to her at all.....but it would be hard to justify the Newmans not noticing.....

R383, Wait, we’re talking about the Newmans, who once had someone living in the wall of their home and they were unaware.

...and has been said who is running security for the Newmans that they keep having killers/intruders/nutjobs on their property, or who lure them to remote locations where they are vulnerable? Wouldn't Vic have armed security at the ready looking for Nikki in Oregon? What happened to who flows the jet? If only shit like this stuff would happen to the Trumps, lol.

A better question would be, who hires a 70-year old maid?

She could be dressing as a man and pretending to be the Newman butler.

^^^ And she seduces Nikki.

Soap Opera Digest kisses Josh Griffith's ass over this storyline.

There are some spoilers within the interview.

What years were victors kids and grandkids born on screen? Anyone know where claire would fall in Newman birth order? Tyia

R390................here ya go......On-Screen Birthdays..

Victoria ......1982

Nicholas......1989

Adam............1995

Abby..............2000

GRANDCHILDREN =====

Noah..............1997

Summer.........2006

Faith..............2009

Reed..............2007

Connor...........2013

Katie..............2014

Christian.........2015

Dominic..........2021

Claire (Eve).........1998--------->>Eve Nicole Howard was the daughter of Cole Howard and Victoria Newman. In 1998, Cole and Victoria tried for a child and Victoria conceived, but their daughter Eve Nicole Howard died shortly after birth. Little Eve was named after Cole's mother, Eve Howard, and Victoria's mother, Nicole Newman.

Brenda looks like a white trash whore. Yikes!

I'd love to know how this made-up "Aunt Jordan" even knew that Cole and Victoria were having a baby, not to mention how she knew when Victoria had her emergency surgery to deliver the baby prematurely.

Cole even said that he only had contract with Jordan a couple of times in his life when his mother was still alive. I seriously doubt he just phoned her up and told her. Plus, the paternity of Victoria's baby was rather hush-hush. Cole eventually found out that he was the baby's father from Neil, but in the beginning Victoria made off like Neil was the father. Cole was hooked up with FauxAshley at the time, and platonic friend Neil stepped-up and he and Vicky were going to be married once the baby arrived. And what prompted Vicky to have the baby before it was due happened out of the blue. It turned out that she had appendicitis and they had to perform emergency surgery. The baby was sick and in critical care and died soon after the Caesarean. Seriously stupid to think that Jordan knew all that and could navigate getting a critical care infant out of the hospital alive.

R394, all valid points.

As THRILLED as I am to see CZ back on my screen, the story has plenty of holes in it.

My biggest problem is that Jordan's ranting that Cole and Vicki didn't WANT baby Claire Eve and then Cole and Vicki (AKA Jake and Mia) say, Oh, we wanted you! And Clarie's all WHAT? You lied to me Aunt Jordan!

Didn't Jordan realize what Cole and Vicki would say?

This would have been a stronger tale if Heather were still in the part; we could have seen flashbacks. Ameila is perfectly perfunctory while at the same time being perfectly bland.

[quote]He and Vicky were going to be married once the baby arrived. And what prompted Vicky to have the baby before it was due happened out of the blue.

Vicky = Another World.

Vicki = The Young & the Restless

Viki = One Life to Live

Thank you so much r391 r392 !

Doesn't Victoria have another son? Regardless, she never talks about her kids and they seemingly take care of themselves

[quote]It's hard to believe when ATWT was cancelled that Maura West was the only one YR snatched up from the cast.

She was forced on Y&R, they had to take her. Then they (the actors and top of the line crew) treated her like shit. Maura is a professional and will never discuss it publicly, but it was a miserable time for her.

She was really good on Y&R I thought.

You forgot R396 Vickee = A World Apart

[quote]She was forced on Y&R, they had to take her.

Why, r399? How'd that happen?

R402, Didn’t her character have to wear the same dress for weeks?

R399 Besides West, MAB also hired ATWT's Jennifer Landon to play the last of The Three Heathers. .. In fact, she's the one who had the relationship with Daniel prior to what we're now seeing between Graz and Vail Bloom (Heather No. 1). .. Landon's Heather and Daniel are the one's who left town with Lucy to go build a life together in Savannah. .. Personally, I never got the appeal of Oakdale's "Gwen Norbeck," and neither did Y&R's viewers.

[quote]Why, [R399]? How'd that happen?

CBS Senior VP in Charge of Daytime, Barbara Bloom made it happen. And I want to say the Maura was fired from Y&R the minute Barbara stepped down as VP.

Maura is an amazing actress, but everyone knew she was all wrong for Diane and way too young for the part, but CBS wanted to keep her on the network. According to the gossip at the time, Maria Arena Bell gave her jacked up writing, and various actors and scenes partners would tank scenes.

This was also during the time when CBS and Sony were battling for control of the show.

Maura was a bitch on wheels in the role of Diane. I know they made life hell for her on the show, but it was entertaining and fun as fuck to watch. Susan Walters has her moments in the role, but since they’ve made her Mrs. Jack Abbott, she can be snoozeville.

Honestly, I think Maura's biggest obstacle to overcome in the role of Dianejenkins was her striking blonde hair. She just didn't "read" Diane.

Y&R viewers knew Diane as the dark-haired fashion model turned architect. Her look had been in our heads for nearly 30 years. (Donnelley started in 1982, then Walters, with similar complexion, taking over in 2001.)

Maura's age may also have been a factor for some viewers, but that issue I could overlook ... that is, until they did the eye-rolling hookup with Nick Newman, serving only to glaringly highlight the age gap between her and her two predecessors.

But hair color DOES matter in recasts. It's one of the reasons I still think Jason Thompson just looks wrong as Billy Abbott.

See I'm inverse. To me, Billy now looks like his mother, but I get the argument for Billy being blond like the Abbott girls. I thought West was great as Diane but it's Y&R...

Maura did a great job with the material, but she was wrong for the role. For me, every scene she was in just felt disjointed and out of place because she was so miscast.

Maura was as wrong for Diane Jenkins as Jason Thompson is for Billy. Probably even more so.

If show was forced to find a role for Maura, they should have created a new character for her.

r409

She could have been Casey's daughter so cousin to the Newmans

R408 if they'd kept Jill a Foster, Jason T. greatly resembles both of his original Foster uncles, Snapper & Greg when Espy and Houghnton played them. If they ever do a biography movie of David Brinkley, JT would be perfect, the look to the speech pattern.

Jack Abbott............1954

Keemo...................1974

Kyle Abbott...........2001

===============

Ashley Abbott........1960

Abby Newman.......2000

============

Traci Abbott...........1963

Colleen Carlton.................1992

===============

Billy Abbott...........1993

Delia Abbott.........2009

Johnny Abbott......2012

Katie Abbott.........2014

Y&R did a horrible job casting established actors while MAB was HW.

Among the less than stellar castings:

Eden Riegel as Heather Stevens

Jennifer Landon as Heather Stevens (although Jen was much better in the role than Eden)

Debbie Morgan as Harmony

Genie Francis as Genevieve Atkinson

Maura West as Diane Jenkins

Darnell Williams as Sarge

Stephen Nichols as Tucker McCall (as much as I loved him as Patch and as Stefan Cassadine, he was god awful as Tucker).

Y&R is known as the pettiest set.

It was likely nothing personal but Hans/Mel/La Bergman and a few others would have not appreciated anyone usurping their thrones at Y&R, new role or old. Maura was doomed no matter what.

R413 You left out the worst of the worst. DARIUS McCRARY as NotMalcom.

I didn't mind Darnell as "Sarge," but there was no point to the character, and he was never given a real story.

And I might give them a pass on Eden as NuHeather. Due to Vail Bloom's "issues" back then (her out-of-control coke habit), they had to quick recast with a soap vet who could hit the ground running.

[quote]You left out the worst of the worst. DARIUS McCRARY as NotMalcom.

Oh, you're right about that one. I try to block it out of my mind entirely. He was just so completely wrong for Malcolm . He was definitely NotMalcolm.

Luckily the show realized its mistake. Darius only lasted about a year. Or was it longer than that and I'm blocking it all out?

R416 It was going on two years. He arrived around Christmas 2009 and exited October 2011. Fortunately, they only played him a little more than 40 episodes the first year, then cut his appearances to what seemed like the bare minimum during his last six months.

Speaking of bad recasts.....Shari Shattuck IS Ashley Newman. I never even remembered her with Cole. Or anyone else. I must have fast forwarded all of her scenes.

IMDB says Darius only played Malcolm for 86 episodes over 21 months. So, that's about 4 episodes a month.

I realize IMDB is not the most reliable place for information about actors on soap operas. IMDB certainly has a lot of wrong info about soap actors. But, most of that wrong information is from the pre-1990 era. Most of the information from the past 25-30 years seems to be accurate.

R419 If you look at the details of those episodes for McCrary, many of them in the last five months are where he got a "credit only" meaning he wasn't actually in the episode, but because he was contract, his name appeared in the credits that ran that week. So looks like his actual appearances were more like 73, rather than 86. By mid-2011, the writing was already on the wall.

R414 nothing has changed.

He looks decent in the photo at R19 but for the most part, few men are as FUG as McCrary was or still is.

To go from Shemar Moore to......THAT......?

R421 yup. Which has all but killed the show.

R418 FauxAshley (Shattuck) was who Cole was involved with when Victoria was preggers with Baby Eve. .. There was quite a bit of animosity between Victoria and Ashley, because Victoria was being her typical Bitchtoria acting like she could win a guy back with the snap of her fingers. .. This continued into the subsequent storyline that involved Ashley's brother from another mother, Rafael Delgado. .. Victoria didn't know who Rafael was and became convinced that the two were having a secret love affair, when actually Ashley was trying to get Rafael out of an art forgery mess that he'd created. (Rafael was an artist in Spain, but supported himself by painting forgeries.) .. Sometime toward the end of that storyline, Shattuck was replaced by Eileen Davidson, so she's the Ashley who got to play the end of the marriage material with Cole, which then led to the character's departure to Oxford.

I don't understand the premise of death by boredom. My mind works the opposite. I'm never bored, even while alone.. Please explain.

Everybody knew what they were getting into from Day 1.

Janice Ferri Esser gives us some funny lines during Monday's Newman rehash of what just happened to them:

Nick >> I still have no idea what those women were after.

Nikki >> I don't know that they knew themselves.

Cole >> Some sort of convoluted revenge for some things that never happened.

Oh goody. The end result is that we end up with ANOTHER Newman. Just what this show needs, NOT.

I actually don't mind Cricket & Danny (recurring), but I'm not interested in any kind of rehash with Syphilis.

Walton needs to lay off the cheek fillers. She's in chipmunk territory.

Is Aunt Jordan still in the ductwork?

Aunt Jordan chewed up all the scenery, so now she has only the ductwork to sustain her.

Gee the scenery chewing jokes never get old 😐

It is kinda hilarious that the last shot of Jordan showed her INSIDE the scenery.

Did she bring a bottle of ketchup with her?

Heather says she's sticking around, because "Genoa City feels like home" and she has "so many fond memories here"?

Really? She was raised in New York with the entire Stevens' family around her. She's more recently lived and worked in Savannah twice as long as she was ever in Genoa City. And when she was in town, her memories should consist of either finding out that her boyfriend was on the downlow, or getting in trouble and fired from the D.A.s office, or trapped in a car with a bomb about to go off, or kidnapped by some thugs, or being manipulated by her crazy half-brother, Ricky. And now her Clueless father doesn't even live in Genoa City any longer.

If Heather and Chance both end up working at Chancellor-Winters, I wonder if they'll remember that the former law enforcement duo fucked when they were working on a case together? And I hope they at least have Heather run into Adam at Crimson Lights one day soon and have her ask him if he's fucked any hot Latino twunks lately?

Will we see wrinkled, grizzled old Paul Williams as a Christmas miracle?

More likely they'll have Cricket a open a big manila envelope, pull out a legal document, and tell RockOn that her divorce from Paul is now finalized.

RockOn! You made me burst out laughing, R435. Hilarious! 🤣

HVAC Jordan trolling the shit out of Nikki is the funniest thing on this show in years.

Josh G must have gotten ahold of the really good shit before writing this.

Who came up with name "Jordan" for a woman in her 70s? Baby Names shows that NO ONE named a girl "Jordan" back in the '50s. It didn't' start becoming a unisex name until the late 70s early 80s. .. Maybe "Aunt Jordan" was actually born "Uncle Jordan" and kidnapping Claire was the only way s/he could have a baby. That might actually make more sense than this convoluted revenge motive.

I wish Zenk was being written as the mysterious character who comes to town to take over Chancellor-Winters. That might breathe some life into that dull dull story. The Aunt Jordan story is behind stop.

Aunt Jordan now sneaking into the notel-motel wearing the black fedora of invisibility.

I guess she knows how to travel fast, since she was a "Traveling Nurse."

As much as I like Zenk Jordan is definitely a bit of a little goes a far way kind of character.

She needs to be a Helena Cassadine type character, not someone who's always around.

Jordan was a female character in the Great Gatsby …

CLB is in the hospital again, but is keeping his sense of humor about it, asking, "WHO AM I GLORIA FUCKING SWANSON???"

R433 — love the reference to Rafe —- damn that actor was sexy.

Each time Victor refers to Nikki as “My baby”, I cringe.

Adam and Rafe first kiss....Sadly YR was too scared to actually show it. Though they did acknowledge Adam unzipping for Rafe.

Poor Rafe got played.

In lieu of being able to show Adam's cock in Rafe's mouth, Muhney cleverly chose to stick his big ol' thumb up against Rafe's purty mouth for a rather erotic and suggestive tease.

I agree R446, and the scenes where Braeden is supposedly being supportive of Nikki, and he cops a fist to her throat were kind of weird. If you had a still, it looked like he was threatening her.

The (actor friendly) soap sites are starting to ridicule Victors "Bahy-Bee" moniker too.....CLIP....Nikki walks in on Rafe and Adam foreplay.

R444 His husband posted that he's in Cedas-Sinai Beverly Hills having a bone marrow transplant.

I hope he gets well soon.

R452 I guess he's having an autologous stem cell transplant. They harvest your own stem cells for rescue after aggressive chemo and radiation. It's a tough treatment. I'm wishing the best for him. I suppose the head gear is to lower scalp temperature to minimize hair loss from the chemo.

Did the show ever explain how Adam’s visual impairment was cured?

R455 Yes. In August 2011, Adam was admitted to a medical trial for experimental surgery that he referred to as a "subretinal transplant." He left town for about 10 days, and when he returned, he said that "the cutting edge surgery" had restored his vision and that he could see again.

Thanks, R455, I couldn’t remember. I thought having the character visually impaired was interesting.

People like to knock him, but I enjoyed the show when Muhney played Adam. That was a good storyline.

R458 Muhney was the best Adam, but the writing for the character helped tremendously too. He didn’t take any shit from anyone. Grossman is just this watered down version of the character. Everyone just insults Adam left and right, and Grossman just replies something stupid like have a good day and walks away. Assholes like Nate, Victor, Victoria and Nick would be eviscerated if the writing was up to par.

Do they really need a DNA test? It's obvious that Claire is Boretoria's daughter since she's just as dull and bland ... and now, we know why they hired this actress.

Not up for another rehash of Adam and Sally. Time to move on. .. On another note, I laughed when Sally asked Adam, "What have you been up to since the last time we saw each other," thinking she should have quickly added, "besides trying to grow that scraggly-ass beard?"

Who keeps refilling that big ol' bottle of vodka? .. And I guess Nikki's never heard of call block.

Now that strikes are over, the Daytime Emmys are being held on Friday night on CBS

Y&R nominees include Peter Bergman and Jason Thomson in Lead Actor.

Sharon Case, Michelle Stafford and Melissa Claire Egan in Lead Actress.

Robert Newman in Guest Performer.

I hope Newman gets the Guest Actor win. He certainly deserved an Emmy for so many years on GL.

He certainly deserved a DAYTIME Emmy for so many years of having to get out of the way and avoid being injured as Zimmer ate the scenery around him.

Gee Victoria you had to ask who took/sent the pic of Nikki in bed with the IV? Why isn't dim Nikki and Vic letting the local media about crazy Aunt Jordan, who has taken up digs in the same hotel room that Phyllis stayed in while playing dead. There are a lot of 'tired' characters that just need to go - Phyllis, Cricket, Danny, Daniel, old lady Lucy, Heather, Adam, Sally, Devon and Abby.

Forgot to add Chelsea.

IOW, r464, you tune in exclusively for the excitement generated by Jack, Ashley, Tucker, Billy, Kyle, Audra, etc., the most boring storyline ever told in Genoa City.

They should call it The Boring and the Corporate

^^^ You'll love Tuesday's episode. It's basically five sets of characters yapping about Tucker's corporate intentions.

Take a drink every time someone says, "Glissade."

I keep thinking that company's main product must be anal sex lube.

R462, R463, Zimmer carried him.

SHE CARRIED HIM.

Burgi is a much better actor. he could just stand there and you'd think geez this guy wants to fuck me.

Newman. Just. Stares.

R461, I've head good things about Egan's three day Chelsea might kill herself reel. As someone who's been touched by suicide I find the whole thing disingenuous.

I can't see Hughes losing to FOUR CBS actresses. I know people are supposed to be impartial but you take 100 Y&R voters or 20 and they'll be split between Egan, Stafford, and Case.

I think Hughes submitted Peter dying and she was brilliant in that.

I do think it's going to be a big night for GH: Benard, Hughes, Lindstrom or Chavez, Alley Mills for Guest. I think the little boy at DAYS could win. I heard he's got a good reel.

GH could get show, writing; maybe B&B for directing if voters like Aspen and Italy.

Given the quality of daytime these days, they ought to skip the Emmys.

Aunt Jordon trolling Nicki is hilarious! More please!

Is J. Eddie playing Cole without his dentures?

[quote]GH could get show, writing; maybe B&B for directing if voters like Aspen and Italy.

The Emmys airing on Friday night is the ceremony that would have been held on June 16 if not for the writers's and the actors' strikes.

These nominations were announced in April and cover performances that happened in 2022.

So, B&B's Italy remote isn't eligible since it aired in July 2023. Michelle Stafford's excellent performance around Phyllis' death happened around Y&R's 50th anniversary shows, starting in March 2023.

Likewise, Sharon Case may have gotten some good story with Cameron Kirston's stalking her and subsequent death, but that was in May 2023. For much of 2022, Sharon primarily was pouring coffee and acting as a coffeehouse psychologist.

“For much of 2022, Sharon primarily was pouring coffee and acting as a coffeehouse psychologist.“

And riding Chance’s cock, lucky bitch.

Didn’t Rey die in 2022 giving her something maybe Emmy worthy?

R474 u must be kidding about Stafford's excellent performance, right?

The actress playing Large Baby Eve aka Clare, has a real moon face and seems very butch. Toss her in with Mariah and Tessa and Baby whatitsname.

[quote]Didn’t Rey die in 2022 giving her something maybe Emmy worthy?

That was so long ago, I'd forgotten about that.

Rey was pretty much forgotten about once they buried him. Has barely been mentioned in the past year.

[quote]Toss her in with Mariah and Tessa and Baby whatitsname.

When was the last time those three were even on?

Did they get shipped off to London to visit Noah and we'll learn about in in passing on the Christmas episode?

What I want for Christmas is Aunt Jordan getting her nurse uniform out of mothballs and somehow being in the right place at the right time to alter Claire’s DNA test.

r480 isn't Camryn shitting out her kid? May be why she's been off for a while.

I want Aunt Jordan in a Nicki Newman wig mowing down half of this worthless cast

With Heather now living in Genoa City again, that offers more reason for Paul to return to town.

If Doug Davidson is still feuding with TPTB at Y&R, who should they bring in for a recast of Paul Williams.

Zenk said on her Locher Room appearance, “Wait until you see what’s coming”.

[quote]What I want for Christmas is Aunt Jordan getting her nurse uniform out of mothballs and somehow being in the right place at the right time to alter Claire’s DNA test.

That would be Vicky Hudsonworthy.

More likely Aunt Jordan will end up out in the Newman barn with a pitchfork through her during February sweeps.

A little Anne He He for you.

Finola deserves the Emmy but they’ll give it to Stafford. The other awards are going to GH including Young Performer and Series if they submitted Epiphany’s tribute.

You'd think Leanna Love would be all over this "Four Newmans Are Kidnapped and Nearly Poisoned to Death" story. .. Leanna could then relate why they actually DO deserve to die. .. "News at 11 with a call-in poll so viewers can cast their vote on this hideous family."

Chloe used the term 'roadkill' after what happened to her daughter? Really bad writing. Chloe and Nick's chat must have taken hours, given what everyone else in GC was doing.

Jordan is traipsing about GC with no disguise, outwitting the police lol. There's an APB on her, but Newman employees and family members (Adam, Abby) have no idea what happened.

Chloe is such a useless twat. Just about every day it’s how can we shit on Adam some more, and Chloe is there to join the Greek chorus of other characters dumping on him. Newsflash Chloe. Billy was the one who left the kid alone. Run your stupid mouth about him for a change. They got rid of Kevin (aside from an occasional guest appearance). Next have him and Chloe move out of GC for good.

R491, Didn’t you see Jordan in the blonde Harpo Marx wig at the end of today’s show?

OMG 493 I typed before that cringe-hanger! I guess she wants to BE Nikki?? No doubt she wants Icktor's sperm, or trickle or God knows what it would be now. NOBODY would ever expect to find her suspicous at the Athletic Club. Phyllis managed to get in and out with nobody catching on. Best line of the day: The Newman Security Team is 'on it'. On what? Ludes?

Aunt Jordan needs a matching Nikki Newman flask to complete the disguise!

Aunt Jordan will need to buy a body suit with sagging tits that go down to her waist to complete the disguise!

It would be funny if Jordan started sleeping with strangers and telling them her name is Nikki Newman. Then Victor gets wind of "Nikkis" activities. One amnesia bender from the real Nikki should pretty much end her 8th re-marriage to Victor.

I’m several episodes behind.

The episode where Nicki hears the mysterious music I immediately recognized it as stripper music. I was dumbfounded that we’re to believe she couldn’t place this after hearing it multiple times.

We need to see Miss Connor in that red beret Billy has bought and shows to Chelsea.

Who is ordering the booze at the Newman ranch? They all KNOW Nikwit is an alchy, and it's just there. I can see Vic needs his bourbon - his heart condition he damned - but sooooo many holes in the writing. I will say, if Zenk can continue as a cartoon villainess and we get our happy ending - Nikki dead - it will all be worth it!

Shouldn't Miss Connor be home for the holidays?

Miss Connor is being fitted for a Lucy wig in case Johnny hosts a Christmas sleepover.

Holy smokes. When did Susan Walters go overboard with the injectables?

Between that and her veneers, she seems to have trouble speaking.

[quote]Who is ordering the booze at the Newman ranch? They all KNOW Nikwit is an alchy, and it's just there. I can see Vic needs his bourbon - his heart condition he damned -

I thought Victor's drink was tequila.

My understanding is that its not unusual for people in AA to have partners who still drink, so they keep alcohol in the for the partner and for guests. It's part of the alcoholics responsibility to get at AA meetings and call a sponsor if they are tempted.

I did not know that Mamie's old ass played a Trans on the Jeffersons!

get it, Mamie!

Camryn Grimes just had her baby and named him "Bridger."

Congrats, but my first thought was that she and her bisexual husband watch gay pron together and named him after "Bridger Watts"

Still scratching my head over Y&R winning best writing at the Daytime Emmys.

Anyone know what episodes they submitted?

R507 we've speculated the Chelsea jumps off the ledge story.

[quote]Anyone know what episodes they submitted?

Connor decides to go and live with Chelsea's mother.

R507 Queen Kroll at SoapCentral usually knows about the reels and reported:

[quote] For its writing reel, The Young and the Restless submitted an episode revolving around a mental health crisis storyline focused on Chelsea Lawson, played by Emmy nominee Melissa Claire Egan, who was contemplating suicide.

That was a compelling episode. Very well done.

Just goes to show you can write the occasional high quality episode amidst tripe the rest of the time, which was certainly the case for Y&R in 2022. .

So DAYS won nothing at the Emmys? I watched, but don’t recall the show winning anything.

Michelle Stafford really thought she would win and her ridiculous outfit would have gone viral on social media.

Meanwhile Griffith did win in his ridiculous outfit.

Memo to Josh: Just because it's all black doesn't make it formal.

Looks like he and Mark Grossman shop at the same nothing but black department.

Frank Valentini appeared a bit disheveled.

Memo to Valentini and Griffith-it’s your industry’s ultimate event, and you both show up looking like slobs and high as fuck. You both need help.

When it comes to Y&R gals, I think Haley Erin (Claire) looked even worse than The Stafford.

It looks like she took a kingsize, satin pink pillow case and wrapped it around her body. And the shoulder bag and boots read hooker working Sepulveda Blvd. in the Valley where that slut Brooke Logan is from.

I think Frank's main problem at R516 is the vest should have been black or charcoal grey instead of white like the shirt.

Billy Flynn from Days basically wore the same outfit, but his vest is black. Looks good (imo).

Apparently, Mark's already moved on.

The Daytime Emmys make me sad now. There's more class at the local Walmart.

I don't think Aunt Jack has bought a new tux in over 30 years.

Can't Josh Griffith fix his tie before posing for photos? Or going up on stage to accept the award for writing? He really looked like a drunken slob going up on stage looking like that.

R521 it was a fairly bad show for the 50th anniversary. Loved Susan Lucci’s honorary award. The highlight of the show imo. A lot of people attending looked like shit. The hotel banquet room was horrible and looked like a hole in the wall where they gave out the awards. Most attendees looked like they’d rather be anywhere but there. Kelly Clarkson never attends to pick up her awards like it’s beneath her. I miss the days in the 90s and 2000s when the daytime Emmys were like the Oscars.

The Emmys have been the Dollar Tree version of themselves for a while now.

Frankie looks like he was doing molly with some boytoy before the ceremony.

[quote] Can't Josh Griffith fix his tie before posing for photos?

Josh wore this same outfit at his college graduation in the early 80s and believes it still works.

[quote]Josh wore this same outfit at his college graduation in the early 80s and believes it still fits.

Fixed.

R524, Agree that Lucci’s tribute was the high point. The estrangement with daughter Liza continues, as she did not even mention her in her acceptance speech, but her son Andreas was in the audience.

Josh Griffith’s stylist is Hogan “ATWT” Sheffer.

A young Josh Griffith was quite hot. Many years ago I saw a photo of him while he was a writer on OLTL with HW Michael Malone.

Young, Thin. Very attractive.

Can't find that picture now, unfortunately. Just searched the web for it and didn't see it.

Griffith was definitely skinnier and handsomer years ago. Not sure if he got fat per se or just got an eldergay turkey wattle.

skinnier here

That's only "hot" if you have really low expectations.

This is from 16 years ago (2007) and I still would not.

Wasn't everyone pissed off that Josh got rid of all of his outline writers and then they rewarded him with best writing. Plus he fi-core. What a positive message to send.

Fin d a photo of Josh circa 1990 and you'll see a thin and fit and attractive 20something.

He was on Santa Barbara writing staff in late 80s. Joined OLTL about the time Michael Malone became HW in 1991.

Sorry. Still don't see it.

Griffith was at the 1989 Daytime Emmys when Santa Barbara won the award for Writing. You can't see him on stage, because he was standing in the shadows off to the side, but here he is going up on stage wearing a white suit and pink tie. The Miami Vice look was already passe. LOL. .. Anyway even back then, he looks dumpy and already has a double chin.

R470 oops I meant B&B's work in Monte Carlo where Finn and Steffy reunited; not Italy from earlier this year.

Last year, Sharon had Rey's death; she was great in that.

Chavez was a no show and he COULD have won.

Man, he's really checked out.

I find him to be quite entertaining but he picks up Trina sometimes like she's a pet (granted, she's a tiny little thing.)

He fawns over her. I pray he doesn't give some post GH interview where he trashes the show that helped launch him.

It's a mugshot, not a headshot.

Once again, the security at the Newman ranch has failed, with Jordan just outside the residence, peeking in.

Another day of the Jabot Jollies. This shit won "best writing"? The other shows must really blow.

Emmys are all about block voting and money. Over the last 15 years or so some of the awards have been utter PR scenarios.

Pity the poor bastard in the Jabot HR Department who has to keep up with all the ins and out by the Abbott family.

R541 it only won for the Chelsea suicide storyline, which was fairly well done. The other things going on are repetitive and really do suck, but that’s what Griffith thinks is riveting storytelling.

R540 I thought Nikki was imagining it.

Maybe Victor is gaslighting Nikki with Aunt Jordan's help??

I think we need an ep with Mrs. Martinez, making her famous omlettes, cookies, pancakes, pies, tacos, enchilladas, all the while babysitting the unseen child terror Harrison. Has Mrs. M ever been on air??

I think we need an ep where Mrs. Martinez opens the back door of the Abbott house and finds her hot nephew, Alejandro Martinez, on the other side. (Shades of Aunt Mamie and Drucilla.)

Now 18, we learn that Ale's parents kicked him out of the house three years ago (You can guess why.) Anyway, he's been living on the streets ever since. .. "I'm tired of this life," Ale cries. "And now I've got these horrible men after me. Can you help me, Tia?" .. Mrs. Martinez leads Ale inside and tells him, "There's a small room behind the kitchen here that you can spend the night in, mijo, but you have to stay put and be quiet. I don't want to upset Senor Abbott. And you'll have to leave in the morning. Now, go use the adjoining bath to wash up, while I heat up some leftover enchiladas for you."

Within a month, Ale is not only working in Jabot's mail room, but he's also employed as a part-time towel boy at the Athletic Club.

Kyle becomes flustered and thinks out loud, "What's with this kid? He's EVERYWHERE! .. If he's not shoveling snow in our driveway shirtless in January, he's walking around Jabot bulging in those snug chinos. Now, I have to be on guard every time I walk around the locker room!"

R546, Harrison’s hair must be down to his waist by now.

Audra’s the only one getting dick on a regular basis, Kyle, Tucker and any day now, Nate.

[quote] Has Mrs. M ever been on air??

R546 Yes. There have been at least two actresses that have played Mrs. Martinez. As I recall the first one died IRL, so they had to replace her with NuMrs Martinez (Margarita Franco).

Mrs. Martinez keeps a supply of Beano in the Abbott kitchen.

Good, Traci's farts could peel the wallpaper right off the wall!

R547 I can't imagine Bergman's acting if he was in scene with Ale. Aunt Jack would take the boy under his wing, make him the new COO of Jabot and kick Diane to the curb. Mrs. Martinez would finally get the raise/bonus she deserves.

I like how after two decades, they still refer to her as "Mrs. Martinez." It's a professional job like the lead servants in Downton Abbey who are always referred to as "Mr." or "Mrs."

Who runs the Newman ranch since Miguel departed?

R555 The Vodka delivery driver.

Whatever happened to the rumor that CNN wanted to lure Joe and Mika away to host their morning show?

Do the Newmans still live on the Ranch? That set I saw the other day, didn't look like the ranch.

^Obviously, the wrong thread.

R555 After Miguel exited, the primary domestic was "Estella Munoz," who was also Rafe Torres' aunt. .. But Adam set Estella up to be blamed for Ashley's "haunting" and got her fired. This is actually the plot point that led to Adam and Rafe having sex, as Rafe was on the hunt to find evidence that would clear his aunt's name, and that's when Adam had to stop Rafe by seducing him.

After Estella, I think we've only seen a few non-speaking domestics, but no one really "in charge" like Miguel and Estella were. There was a maid name "Bonnie" that we saw a few times, and a cook named "Vera."

R558 Yes, it's the NuRanch: the one that Victor built after bipolar Sharon burned the old one down.

Getting rid of the iconic Ranch set was one of the first things JFP and JG did when they were brought in to replace MAB in 2012.

The ranch was the Maureen Bauer of Y&R. I'll never get over its loss.

I remember fans losing their minds when they changed the Chancellor Mansion set, but I don't recall any outcry about the Ranch.

R563 I think it's because initially fans thought the fire at the Ranch would simply lead to Victor and Nikki refurbishing it in place, and it would have the same footprint, but would be totally redecorated -- and that's something which a lot of fans had been calling for, since it had basically looked the same since the early 90s when decorator, Cassandra Rawlins, re-did it. .. But as we know, that's not what happened.

When the newly built "NuRanch" first debuted it was a total joke. Viewers were calling it the "Ikea Ranch."

It just goes to show how clueless JFP was. The sets represented continuity, which was part of the Y&R brand, and it's not like she replaced or changed to any benefit. That broad was a show wrecker with the same bag of tricks everywhere she went. But I suppose she was good at controlling costs, if not storytelling.

Another set JFP got rid of was GloWorm. Viewers really couldn't understand that move. It was a relatively new restaurant set that most loved. She replaced it with this cheap-looking bar-restaurant set that Billy won gambling called "On the Boulevard." That didn't last very long at all.

No, JFP was not good at controlling costs. JFP's strengths are ramping up story and performances. Her weaknesses are blowing through budgets and overuse of focus groups.

R564, Have they ever shown anything but that one cramped room?

I'm the Wednesday Afternoon Fang and Claw Society

^^^ sorry wrong thread.

R568 When Victor and Jeffrey Todd had their big fight, they showed an upstairs den, which continued out to a stairway landing that Victor then went cascading down. As I recall, they used the set a little bit before and after that scene, but not for long. .. They've also shown a dining room. Very odd in that it was quite narrow, accommodating this very long table. Nothing special, and it looked like an quick add-on just to film a holiday dinner scene.

^^^ Here's part of that upstairs scene. It doesn't show the den that Victor and JT were in, but you can see the landing and another hallway.

Aunt Jordan will soon be running the Newman Ranch, bitches!!!!

Given the heavy Ethnic vibe to 'domestic' help on Y&R, has there ever been a Hop Sing Asian type on the show? Seems the next logical step.

R545, My cable guy reads “Victor and Nikki receive an unexpected visitor” on today’s episode.

Either Jordan or Claire.

^guide, not guy.

My cable guy used to read to me, too, though he stuck with Shakespeare.

R574 Back in the early days, Victor had a manservant named "Charlie" who was Asian. I believe "Charlie" appeared after his marriage to Julia ended around 1981. Then, Miguel showed up after Victor and Nikki married in 1984. .. Also, right before the Sarah the Maid story with Veronica Landers, there was a maid at The Ranch named "Ellie." I think they played her a bit, but then she came in one day and told Nikki she was retiring. This led into why Nikki had to hire a new maid ... enter Veronica/Sarah.

When I first started to watch Y&R, Victor seemed to be living in an apartment with a guy named Douglas. I knew absolutely nothing about them, and assumed they were a gay couple. They had this huge piano poster at the door. This would have been 1988-89.

LMAO R579. Douglas was beyond queer! He had a *thing* for Kay (Katherine) that even she in her worst drunken stupor, could tell he was a flamer.

R579 After Victor and Nikki divorced, she got The Ranch, and Victor moved to a penthouse atop Newman towers. That's where those scenes with "Colonel Douglas Austin" took place.

Another thing about Douglas is that he had a relationship with an older stripper named Boobsie and fell in love with her. When the Hot Hips porno tape with Nikki was released, Nikki knew nothing about it, because Tony DiSalvo had put Nikki's head on top of Boobsie's body.

Douglas is one of those guys you'd describe as "not gay, just British."

I think Douglas was Victor's Lem Billings.

The Derek-Kay-Douglas triangle included Douglas challenging Derek to a duel over Kay's honor. They actually followed dueling rules and used pistols. Victor served as Douglas' second, and Derek enlisted a hesitant Brock to be his. This was said to be taking place somewhere on the Chancellor Estate, and the show actually went outdoors for this scene and did a location shoot.

Silly stuff. Viewers today would be HOWLING with laughter.

Loved the scene where Jordan is outside the window mocking Nikki throwing them back! Colleen seems to be having a blast playing Jordan.

Too bad that Aunt Jordan will no doubt be a temporary character. She's certainly bringing some much needed life to this drab mess.

Hello! ... Chance at Chancellor-Winters? .. That's fine. It IS his grandfather's legacy company after all. .. And it's nice to see Chance interact with his UNCLE Billy for a change.

But this is when you start someone with no experience in the executive suite and give him a job on the LOADING dock where he can wear snug jeans and tight tank tops .. or at least some sexy overalls .. and have him work his way UP the corporate ladder. .. This is what Bill Bell did with Bradley Carlton, who then figured out some way to greatly improve Jabot's transportation operations and earned his white collar promotion.

One never knows what kind of activity Chance could find going on in the warehouse!

Somewhere Zimmer is stewing at the HAM!!! Colleen Z is serving the audience.

Zimmer wanted to be on YR so, so bad.

I could see Kim Zimmer showing up as Traci's twin separated at birth.

We'd learn that Dina nearly died during delivery, and there was no way she was going to care for two huge babies; so even before leaving the hospital, she gave one of her 14 lb. newborns away. John never knew about the other twin, because he was out of town on business that week.

An orderly named "Jeffrey" gladly took "Trixi" off Dina's hands, because he and his partner, "Armando," yearned for a baby. But since it was the early 60s, that seemed impossible.

Trixi recently found out about her parentage when Jeffrey passed away, and she found his diary at the bottom of a box containing his vintage "Physique Pictorial" magazines.

Trixi now wants her part of the Abbott pie as well as that large tray of leftover enchiladas in the refrigerator. Is Traci willing to share?

That Cane nonsense is even worse than the Scoche Marin fuckery

J Eddie looks too thin these days.

Is he on Ozempic or is he sick.

Also that gray streak in his hair isn't doing him any favors.

[quote]The Derek-Kay-Douglas triangle included Douglas challenging Derek to a duel over Kay's honor. They actually followed dueling rules and used pistols. Victor served as Douglas' second, and Derek enlisted a hesitant Brock to be his. This was said to be taking place somewhere on the Chancellor Estate, and the show actually went outdoors for this scene and did a location shoot.

The idea of a duel over a woman just screams GAY. The Douglas character was clearly gay and something as preposterous as duel in the 20th Century seems like something only a gay man could come up with as a bearding ruse.

R591, I disagree. Niles crane often proposed duels on frasier and he is heterosexual. Lol

Someone shout start a new thread. The last 7 posts could take a few minutes or a few weeks.

Today’s show was ridiculous.

Nikki swigging vodka on an open stairway in public?

R594 what’s even funnier is douchebag Nate realizes what’s going on with her before even Victor or her own family does. If Victor can stop her baby for two seconds, maybe he would realize she’s loaded most of the time.

New Y&R thread since this one is almost full.

R595 calling her

The show should have brought in therapist Dr. James Warrick from BB to help treat Clair. Or even Taylor. Such a lost opportunity.

I love drunk mess Nikki! Her swigging from her flask on the stairwell was fucking hilarious. The show needs a lot more of scenes like that to overcome forcing us to listen to Billy blather on about his legacy with some of the cringiest dialogue ever.

I know it could never happen, but I'd love for Nate to toss the race card toward all the a-holes in GC who judge him. His sins seem tame compared to anythng Victor or Nikki have done.