Midterm Elections Thread: official, discuss midterm elections, Part 6

Hopefully this thread will be all that is needed. I hope they have the results soon.

AZ? NV? Did we lose?

St Teresa on Answered Prayers : Kevin McCarthy spending weekend watching the “Herding Cats TV commercial” while reflecting on dream of becoming Speaker of the House…

Ralston was wrong about CCM getting enough votes to put her over by the end of the day. Lexalt is still in the lead. I don't trust a word he is saying anymore. If he's wrong about this, who knows what else he's wrong about.

R4 It's less than 1,000 votes. I'm sure she'll make it up with the rest that has yet to be counted.

Sorry, that should be FEWER.

Is that boobfart from Colorado still in the lead? God, I hope she loses.

What is happening in the Boebert (magaR) and Adam Frisch (Dem and Sane) US house seat race?

Close margin triggers recount and candidates can ask for a recount as well.

See article for details

Remaining votes in the Boebert race will not be counted, until next week.

Oh god. Boebert still in the running.

Will we get the final results of Nevada by tomorrow night? Or will we not know who wins the Senate seat until next week?

Nobody knows

Boebart is so gonna make her husband "find" some votes with her name on it, totally cockblocking his plans for the weekend.

Anyone else think Boobfart isn’t above pulling a ‘Watergate’ with the votes sitting there waiting to be counted next week?

Adam Kinzinger predicting that Dump would throw "My Kevin" under the bus.

*grabs popcorn*

I thought that Dems had the Senate? That's up in the air too?

So, Dems could lose both houses?

Our impatience notwithstanding, I'm struggling to understand the value of these voting processes that let counting linger on for close to a week.

You’re not a very attentive consumer of news, R16.

Actually, you sound like a troll.

From Heather Cox Richardson:

“The importance of that partisan gerrymandering—and the importance of today’s Supreme Court in upholding that gerrymandering—showed up yesterday in the cases of four states in which Republican lawmakers simply refused to change maps that state courts had determined were illegal. In Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Ohio, heavily gerrymandered maps stayed in place despite state court decisions that they were unconstitutional.

Those four states make up almost 10% of the seats in the House of Representatives. According to congressional redistricting specialist David Wasserman of the Cook Political Report, those illegal maps were likely to hand five to seven seats to the Republicans that they would not have won without them. At the same time, Florida governor Ron DeSantis put in place heavily gerrymandered districts—so extreme that the Republican legislature balked—that were expected to turn four seats Republican and create a House delegation more than 70% Republican from a state that Trump won with just over half the vote in 2020. “

Wow, the GOP has to cheat to win.

It’s crazy that the Dem states have “we must be fair” redistributing laws while GOP states have none of that.

New York’s Dems got hit because of it but Southern States keep spewing out GOP districts

R21 - NJ got hit as well.

Tom Malinowski lost his reelection bid because his district was redrawn, enabling the insufferable Tom Kean, Jr. to beat him by 4%.

Republicans cheat, that's the only way they can win. And with the younger generations voting more, they live on borrowed time. No wonder they're whining about raising the required age of voting.

Jon Ralston's latest tweet. I don't think he's as confident of a CCM win as he was previously.

[quote]Wow, the GOP has to cheat to win.

Duh, Sherlock...

But, my question is why do Democrats sit back and allow this (IMHO)? Don't you think that Republicans would be yelling and screaming as if the house was burning down if they were in the same shoes? IMHO, Democrats MUST work on their public relations messaging and communicating with the public. To me, it seems as if as least half (or, nearly half) of the American has been effectively brainwashed.

And when Dems fight back and try to redistrict, they’re shot down. It’s going to take an extended registering and voting campaign to overcome this. We simply have to be working at a local and state level in all 50 states. I said this before, bring back Howard Dean’s 50 state plan, or at least revisit a different strategy. Our current strategy, really perfected by Obama, wins us the presidency but we struggle at the state level.

Re CCM, does anyone know when the next dump is from Nevada? She is soooo close, less than 800 votes. The next one will take her over the top I think.

Finally, I know there are still about half a million uncounted votes in Arizona, do we know where they’re from? Holding out hope that Hobbs defeats that harpy Lake.

R24 Sounds pretty confident about a win the end, just not sure if it can be called today judging by his other tweets

,,, but Dave Wasserman is confident.

... and so is Mark Halperin.

I don't know, r24, I think he may just be trying to inject a little historical trivia into the race, since we're all starting to get tired of waiting around.

Republicans will probably take the House but by the slimmest of margins.

From among Mark Halperin's "Outlandish but plausible scenarios"

"After Kevin McCarthy comes up short in getting 218 votes on the floor for Speaker, a stalemate ensues, after which Democrats and a handful of Republicans come together to elect Liz Cheney for the job."

^ Qevin McCarthy, if he even becomes Speaker, would have an ungovernable mess on his hands in House with the Republican caucus.

R32, that scenario is so delicious.

EVERYTHING about the was that CUNT looks like in R8’s pic boils my blood!

Most especially, I’d like to shove those fucking heels through those jeans and up her ass

I still struggle with the idea Colorado is still that rednecky. Then again, Dynasty tricked me into thinking Denver had high society.

If CCM wins, that keeps Senate in Dem hands, right? A Warnock win in addition would make Manchin irrelevant

Yes, but Sinema and Manchin both block filibuster reform, increased spending, and taxes on corporations.

[quote]I still struggle with the idea Colorado is still that rednecky.

It's just that one district, right?

[quote]If CCM wins, that keeps Senate in Dem hands, right? A Warnock win in addition would make Manchin irrelevant

The Democrats would need a caucus of 53 to make Machin and Sinema irrelevant.

Only 52 really since Kamala is the tie breaker.

[quote] If CCM wins, that keeps Senate in Dem hands, right? A Warnock win in addition would make Manchin irrelevant

Yes to your question. But assuming the House is in the control of the republicans, only the most basic bi-partisan legislation is getting to Biden's desk. So the entire Congress is thus essentially irelevant ... except for executive department & judicial confirmations.

I think the threat to McConnell’s position is hilarious.

He should tell them that they’ve got one day to vote him back into leadership or he’ll let the for the people act get voted on in the lame duck.

Will RNC Chair Ronna Romney McDaniel is going to get the boot for this underwhelming Republican showing?

[quote]Only 52 really since Kamala is the tie breaker.

Kamala is relevant only if the Senate is 50-50.

McConnell will just roll his eyes. He's 80% dust by now, only kept together with spit and glue. He'll retire and relish at the thought that he made the US a worse place while in charge.

R44 I was replying to R39 who said Democrats need 53 to counter losing Manchin and Sinema on some votes.

Wasserman's projection includes Boebert winning and I'm not sure that's decided yet. If he'd left it in the toss-up column, I'd be more likely to believe him. I think he crunched the numbers so that way he could say there are 6 toss-ups and Dems need all of them. It's more likely there are 7 or maybe 8 toss-ups and Dems need 6.

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Stay the way you are and you'll go far!

Damn a third party with Dump and Palin in the mix? My puny mind can’t even absorb the mayhem that would result.

r35, may I join? Or watch and cheer you on? I absolutely detest that irredeemable whore.

r36, to be fair, Tuesday was a VERY good day for Colorado Democrats. We won statewide races by percentages beyond what polling indicated. And won the brand new CO-8, which nearly all pollsters had predicted would go to (R) Kirkmeyer. Colorado is like any state. Once you get into some of these rural areas, the electorate tends to skew red, often heavily.

[quote] Wasserman's projection includes Boebert winning and I'm not sure that's decided yet.

Unfortunately, I think it's all over but the shouting when it comes to her district.

From Raw Story: According to a deep dive into the chaos, backbiting and infighting political leading up to the midterms election -- which was a major disappointment for conservatives -- the New York Times is reporting that an angry Donald Trump made a late-night call weeks before the election and threatened Republican National Committee head Ronna McDaniel.

R48, could it be that Alaskans want people in office that will mainly govern like Sen. Murkowski and Rep. Peltola and not former Governors that quit in the middle of their first term?

r43, I don't see how she survives this. This was historic. Heads generally roll after such ineptitude.

R53, the Republican candidate in question that didn't show proper fealty to Trump was Joe Lombardo, who is now the Governor-elect of Nevada.

Isn't there already some third party with that sad little troll Andrew Yang? BTW, did they run any candidates in the midterms?

Lauren Bobert is pictured where she belongs: behind bars.

R57, FWIW, Yang's Forward Party made some endorsements but didn't have any candidates under its own banner.

What is the No Labels group? Who is behind it? Anyone know?

AZ Dems should start looking for a strong Sinema challenger in Mark Kelly's mode.

Are there any known prospects?

Ahahaha watching Kari Lake squirm like a worm while she remains behind Hobbs is incredibly satisfying. It has been a pleasure watching Arizona come closer to the blue mark.

Now come on Nevada. You can do it!

Sinema is a disaster. She's more concerned with being in the news than about good legislation

[quote] She's more concerned with being in the news

I'd say she's mostly concerned with filling her coffers with dirty money. Being in the news is an added bonus.

She arrived as a freak, got freakier, and will presumably go out in the same vein.

I am really happy that AZ went to Kelly and Kari Hobbs is still beating human bat Kari Lake.

Hopefully we get NV too.

The other good news is that Republicans are imploding with the blame game. Why can’t they admit that Trump was bad in 2018, 2020 and 2022? By all means, please keep him as your “leader.”

[quote] I'd say she's mostly concerned with filling her coffers with dirty money. Being in the news is an added bonus.

Grifters know that they need to look like they get shit done for their donors in order to fill their coffers with dirty money. Media exposure helps with that. Duh.

If Warnock wins the runoff, which is after Trump does his pathetic MAGA parade campaign announcement, I think old Mitch and the other ancient establishment Repug crime bosses will put him down. Donnie is becoming more unhinged every single day, and nobody, except the hard core loons, want to hear about the stolen election madness anymore. He’ll go down burning the entire party to the ground, which will be glorious.

Wildly popular John McCain transitioned Arizonans from prior rigid conservatives (Goldwater) to candidates perceived as more moderate mavericks (Kelly and Sinema). Getting someone more liberal to win statewide (while it would be wonderful) is beyond where the state’s mostly older voters are at.

R69 I think you need to give some props to Gov Napolitano, who was first Dem to make being a Dem a "good thing" for AZ. She was centrist Dem, but not really a maverick.

You don't need someone more liberal to replace Sinema. Just someone who isn't an attention ho who actually believes in something one way or the other.

[quote] AZ Dems should start looking for a strong Sinema challenger in Mark Kelly's mode.

Here's my unpopular take. As one who thought that Sinema, unlike Manchin, was deserving of DL's great contempt, I hope she has no serious challenge. 2024 is going to be tough enough to defend, e.g., Ohio, WV & Montana. We don't need to sabotage a sure vote for the party for organizational purposes. A primary struggle involving an incumbent generally leads to defeat in November.

Yes, of course R51! Join in. Rank on that skank as much as you’d like. (I screwed up the wording in my post, hopefully you got the gist). She is one hell of a piece of shit. Skanky, rebellious, wised-ass, loudmouth-twat. From what I understand, her constituents are just as shitty, so no wonder why she’s standing somewhat of a chance to win.

R69 Kelly hasn't obstructed the Democrats the way Sinema has. So surely we can find a "moderate maverick" who's more Kelly and less Sinema to replace her.

[quote]The other good news is that Republicans are imploding with the blame game. Why can’t they admit that Trump was bad in 2018, 2020 and 2022? By all means, please keep him as your “leader.”

The Republicans are trying to suck and blow (don't worry, not a Miz Lindsay thread.)

Even that idiot Alice what'serface on CNN last night said how they party has to find a way to keep the base happy but not be the Trump party. Is that even possible when just enough voters are tired of their Trumpy bullshit to cost them power.

The Republicans have a choice to make. I don't see how they can moderate and keep the base happy. They are a clown car headed for the edge of a cliff now. With his small majority, McCarthy is doomed if he gets the job. I think it is more likely that in time it's the Republican party that splits in two because McCarthy is going to do and say anything to get that fucking speakership but he hasn't got the balls or the brains to manage once he's got it. I really think the thing is in slow motion implosion. All it will take is sufficient polling to convince them they're fucked and then Republicans with brains either split or head for the hills.

It's great!

I want to see in front of whom that cunt (Sinema) will be curtsying next time around.

If the Dems win Nevada and Georgia, does that break the Sinema/Manchin stranglehold?

I read an article yesterday said the Republicans are going full throttle to defeat Manchin 2024, so he'll be like a cornered animal for the next two years trying to hold the Dems hostage to his reelection bid.

[quote] From among Mark Halperin's "Outlandish but plausible scenarios"

Another one:

Joe Biden announces his reelection run, nominates Kamala Harris to the Supreme Court after Clarence Thomas resigns for health reasons, and then names Gretchen Whitmer as his 2024 replacement running mate.

2018 - Republicans lost 40 seats under Trump

2020 - Republicans lost the Senate under Trump

2022 - Republicans could not take back the Senate because Trump ran poor candidates

But he’s still the guy for Elise Stefanik! She loves him and loves 💕 to lose!

Damn I love that scenario r78. I’m so on the fence about Kamala, and it has nothing to do with her race or gender, but her record as Attorney General in California. I do think she would be an ok president but I think Biden has done an excellent job and I think just as highly of Whitmer’s abilities.

R77, that’s worrisome. Manchin did ok in 2018, it was close but he got through. Are there any demographic changes in WV that might help the Dems in 2024?

If only, R78. I don't dislike Kamala, but I love Gretchen Whitmer and think she would bring in more voters than Harris.

[quote]If the Dems win Nevada and Georgia, does that break the Sinema/Manchin stranglehold?

No.

^ Fuck.

Why is it so hard to understand that it’s a whole new ballgame if the republicans take the House?! Neither Manchin nor Sinema will have any power because nothing of great substance is getting out of Congress.

[QUOTE] AZ Dems should start looking for a strong Sinema challenger in Mark Kelly's mode.

How about Mark Kelly’s own twin brother?

R83, if the House goes GOP, they'll vote down any Dem Senate bill anyway outside maybe must-pass. But we'll see on that too when we come to the debt ceiling.

At least the Senate Dems will be able to continue with judges and government confirmations.

Would be nice if Thomas, Alito or both croak in the next two years

Biden Ryan 2020! Tim that is.

Not happening R89 unless Tim transitions to Black woman.

R88, by chance when you say "years" do you mean "hours"?

There was a good editorial in WaPo yesterday on how the existing House and Senate could Republican proof the change of house leadership.

Prevent the risk of a catastrophic default: If too few Republicans are willing to help, Democrats should use the reconciliation process, which allows them to pass certain types of legislation through the Senate with a bare majority vote, to increase the debt limit substantially.

Fight Russian aggression: Congress should lock in economic and military aid for Ukraine while supporters — in both parties — still dominate Capitol Hill.

Protect democracy at home: Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) hashed out a measure to accomplish these purposes earlier this year. The bill enjoys bipartisan support from 30 Senate co-sponsors, including Mr. McConnell. Mr. Schumer and Ms. Pelosi should expend whatever legislative time required to finalize and pass it in the lame duck.

[quote] It's literally a Republican gerrymander right now, today. It all happened in public. "Dem Overreach" is the thinnest fig leaf in the history of NY politics. And too many people fall for it. Like somehow DiFiore is the truthworthy actor here, not the elected legislature.

[quote] ... and covered by 'Dems in disarray' bias.

[quote]a strong Sinema challenger... Are there any known prospects?

A small patch of brown liquid.

Yeah since you hate black women r90 that must be it.

[Quote] I don't dislike Kamala, but I love Gretchen Whitmer and think she would bring in more voters than Harris.

Kamala brought out the black vote and the Dems need their excitement to win.

Biden is not running again, however he cannot say he's not running again until the absolute last minute because the minute he makes the announcement he becomes a lame duck. I also think he's trying to keep a nasty, public Democratic Primary fight from happening too soon.

Kamala isn’t going anywhere, folks.

No she didn’t.

R99 is for r96

[quote] Kamala brought out the black vote and the Dems need their excitement to win.

The Dems need every minority group's excitement to win, thanks to Republican gerrymandering. The Dems need to be a lot more aggressive with their messaging that Republicans want to fuck with minority's rights and access to prosperous opportunities (including education).

[quote]Kamala brought out the black vote and the Dems need their excitement to win.

Black voters are, at best, 'meh' when it comes to Kamala. Kamala's appeal has always been to urban white women and certain college-educated black women. Working class black people have never warmed up to her.

Not sure exactly what to think about this graph, but I do find it interesting and proof that Democrats did a good job of defending seats. And the information in the tweet should prove helpful in the next couple of days.

And I seemed to have missed any discussion of what the hell happened to the only other seat Democrats lost, Elaine Luria. Can someone recap the consensus on her defeat?

^^^ incumbent seat

Did it have something to do with Luria being on the Jan6 committee? Her district seems pretty blue.

^ It was gerrymandered.

What is this about?

The other day some credible talking heads were arguing about whether or not Biden would face a primary challenger and one made a reasonable argument that he would, should he run again, because the progressive wing would put somebody up (or I suppose that old lunatic from Vermont will emerge again and see his shadow, like Glenn Close chasing Best Actress.) Whenever the next round comes, Kamala will be challenged in the primary. Her decision won't be whether to run or not, it will be whether she wants to face that loss or not.

There was discussion of Gretchen Whitmer upthread. I'm really glad she decided to seek reelection. I was afraid that kidnapping attempt might deter her.

There is no doubt in my mind that if Biden chooses not to run, he will stay neutral for what he will claim to be the good of the party and a fair nomination process. The goal as always is to win, and I don’t think Kamala can. I personally posted that I wasn’t impressed with what she did as California AG, but she was a very impressive senator. I just don’t think she’s best we have to offer in terms of winning, not in terms of capability. Unfortunately those two things don’t go hand in hand.

Mark Kelly is a hot stud

I do think Biden and Harris could easily defeat Trump in 2024. Trump will always lose because he is stuck with his election lies.

Even DeSantis is too radical for the country. He hates gays and is arrogant.

[quote] Mark Kelly is a hot stud

I'm thrilled that he's a senator because he is smart, determined and focused on making sure every voice is heard and all opinions are valued in accordance with the intentions of the bearer.

But I've met him and he is not at all hot. He's a rather short, boring average white guy from Jersey.

From the horse's...mouth:

Poor Sarah Palin.

After this election I have a lightness that's I haven't had in years: I do think our democracy was threatened, but America's voters said, "nah, I'm good brah..." I've following results obsessively, here and elsewhere, just to keep the serotonin flowing.

But I think the exuberance disguises ongoing challenges: Republicans have won, cumulatively, 52.8% of the vote to 47.2% of the House vote. Although their majority may only be a few seats, Dems have usually disproportionately won voters - i.e. their national vote total higher than the number of seats they've won. Red/rural districts have piled up Rep votes at a much higher rate. The "division" gets deeper.

Control of the state government is important - secretaries of state assuring that elections are fair, state legislatures protecting choice and marriage equality etc. Dems did unexpectedly well in state races, but, again, the Dem losses in deep red states was deeper yet.

So, our civil war is in progress. Trump may well be past shelf life, but DeSantis can accrue the Crazee, the proud boys still love their bang bangs.

Solutions? Change. The old regime, in both parties, needs to go away. We need Katie Porter not Diane Alzheimer. We need Pete not Schumer. We need Hakeem Jeffries not Pelosi. We need Fetterman not Sanders.

Truly, our country needs Trump and Bernie (and Biden) to get the gold watch and hit the rocking chair.

We also need non-partisan redistricting for legislative districts - take it away from either party. A more logical districting will stop extremists from winning primaries. Extremism in the defense of "liberty" or "justice" usually means a lot of rhetoric and nothing productive happens.

[quote]Even DeSantis is too radical for the country. He hates gays and is arrogant.

Or worse, is he just radical enough for enough of the country?

[quote]Diane Alzheimer.

That's funny! Who?

[quote]We also need non-partisan redistricting for legislative districts - take it away from either party. A more logical districting will stop extremists from winning primaries. Extremism in the defense of "liberty" or "justice" usually means a lot of rhetoric and nothing productive happens.

Isn't redistricting a state right? Be hard to get anybody to give that up.

R117 I felt the same way as you. After Jan 6 I honestly felt that we were on the verge of another Civil War. Now I feel more optimistic about our future. There should be term limits. There are too many people that get elected to positions and stay there until they die. Two terms are enough for Presidents, and should be for other elected positions as well.

All the magats are fuming on Twitter because they don't know what to do.

We will win the House majority months (years?) down the road after a plethora of investigations reveal all of the Puke’s cheating? There are states that called races after 10% of votes were counted - as I the outcome were predetermined (DeSatan and Ohio, for example). There simply are too many irregularities. Then laws should be established to make vote count consistent and streamlined in all states. This confusion is actually the end result of the Republican bid to force more power to the states. It doesn’t work. It doesn’t work to have essentially 50 different nation-states.

R120 It's a state decision. There are non-partisan commissions now in several states. And look what the courts did to NY's initial partisan districting this cycle.

In CA a state initiative in 2008 actually took districting away from the party in charge - creating a neutral process and commission. It's working.

I am a socialist by principles and practice (I've given $ to DSA for years), but our democracy is in trouble and two things need to happen.

1. We need non-partisan districting.

2. We need desperately to get rid of dark $ in elections. We need the SC to reverse Citizens' United.

Not holding my breath... but I didn't expect the midterms to turn out like they did.

You mark my words by 2024, the GOP is going to have a 3rd party bankrolled and that party is going to target certain demographics with their "Platform." Not ,IMO the Green Party is tainted, but a third party will emerge by 20 to siphon off votes. They have no alternative. Their response to the new Gen Z voters is to try to raise the voting age to 21 again. Their response to more woemn voting for Dems is to say it's all the single women and they need to get married. My point being the GOP is not going to change their tune. So they will construct a threat.

Dear god, I hope the Dems don't run cryptkeeper Biden or prickly Harris next year. I think Whitmer is an agreeable option for a presidential candicate. Not sure who for VP but for the love of all that is holy, I hope it's someone younger, as in under 65!

Whitmer /Buttegieg 2024?

Extreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts knew this about foreign dark money flooding elections. When CU became law, the media was asleep and barely even mentioned it during Bush II term.

It’s paying off in spades with the Dump Presidency and has successfully destroyed our country. I despise Roberts even more than Dump!

Great points, R124.

One billionaire attempted to purchase the governor of Oregon

One billionaire attempted to purchase a senator from Arizona

That same billionaire successfully purchased a senator from Ohio

Three billionaire successfully purchased a senator from Wisconsin

One billionaire attempted to purchase a governor in New York, failed, but very likely determined the balance of power in the House

[quote]Damn a third party with Dump and Palin in the mix?

That's not a third party, that's the ridership of a short bus.

No one walks away from the Presidency. If Biden is not dead, or near dead, he will run. Seriously challenging him in a primary will ensure that the Democrats will lose in the general. And unless there is an extremely good reason to drop Harris (i.e., she does something completely scandalous, which she won't), or a spectacularly good replacement appears out of nowhere, she will be the running mate.

Everything else is wishful thinking.

Jesus, DL is pushing for Whitmer & Pete now? You guys are so bad at politics.

Sen Mallory McMorrow is the strength the Dems need. She calls the Right out hard and unapologetically. She'd make a great Pres.

R125 here. If the Dems were smart, they would encourage a third party threat from the Right and it is highly possible to nurse one along and let it evolve very organically. Now that would insure a win in 2024.

R131, I would love for Joe to be elected again but he’ll be 81 when he runs again. He may not have a choice. People will speculate because that scenario (Joe not being around) is not remote.

R134 Well it wasn't a 3rd party, but somebody's going to do a doctoral dissertation on how Dems voted in Rep primaries to nominate the cray cray. This may be an untold and underappreciated story of this election.

Biden not running: Precedence is irrelevant. Not President has been this old. Being 86 in the second term is a real thing. He can "retire" in glory. I love a lot of what he's done...but 2024 needs something new.

Unless they have a complete personality change (doubtful), I don’t think Republicans can win nationally. They are too extreme and unlikable. They are in a little country club and isolated. Most Americans do not share their views, especially the MAGA views or their religious views..

R137 Again, Reps won over 52% of the House vote this election. More than they should have. There is a LOT of work to be done.

It's the Dark Money R129

A good Youtube video is not a basis for a presidency. We're supposed to moving away from theatrics, not toward, aren't we?

They can barely keep the House in a midterm year, with strong inflation. That shows a lot of weakness for Republicans. If the economy improves then they will have nothing to run on.

FUCK YESSSSSSSS R133.

Thank you for posting that.

Never heard of McMorrow - now I want MORE!

That is what an US leader looks, thinks, speaks and acts like.

Especially in this day and age!

R118 Does he hate gays, or does he just have an issue with the trannies?

Both

But here is also something to think about R132

50% of our elected officials represent <25% of the American population.

Of the four most populous states in the country, the two governed by Democrats, California (55 districts) and New York (29 districts), ran this election with "bipartisan" maps and the two governed by Republicans, Texas (38 districts) and Florida (29 districts), operated with heavily gerrymandered maps. As discussed above, when people are counted fairly then we win.

We need to figure out how to make that happen.

^^^ is for R138

"There should be term limits."

And that includes SCOTUS, be they left leaning (Ginsburg, who should have retired when Obama was still President), the centerist (Roberts) and all of those freakazoid right wing Catholics on the Court, including the alkie, Alito, Gorsuch and the walking uterus.

But especially Thomas.

Another interesting nugget from Mark Halperin's newsletter:

"Republicans cannot get within 10% of a victory in any race without Trump, and cannot win almost any close race with him. That is the simple reality that drives the entire dynamic of the Republican world now. And, barring legal or mortal incapacitation, the only way out of it is for Trump to die a self-inflicted martyr’s death, a very unlikely scenario.

Without Trump, there is no Republican Party. With Trump, there is no governing Republican Party.

And/but, for those of you on Team Blue and those Republicans who think that this time, for sure, is the moment when the GOP rids itself of Donald Trump, check out this email from a Wide World of News reader, who represents the views of tens of millions of our fellow Americas:

Top 7 Reasons Trump will be '24 nominee, imo:

1. A great well of gratitude exists from GOP voters for whom Trump taught them to "grow a set.”

2. It's in the American DNA to crave fairness and it's fair Trump get the term hindered and/or stolen by the spies despite his own sins because the people get to decide, not bureaucrats.

3. DeSantis is charisma-free which matters because humans are not Spocks who are ruled by reason. Russell Kirk understood this.

4. DeSantis hasn't stood up much on FBI/DOJ abuses or Jan 6 fed weirdness.

5. Election results (like midterms) don't matter to subset of GOP voters who would rather lose with someone interested in election integrity, FBI corruption, border, etc.. than win with a generic corporate Republican who will then own his seat for generations.(See Graham, Lindsey)

6. Related to last reason, Dobbs decision gives GOP voters freedom to vote recklessly, not vote at all, or vote Democrat.

7. America probably must be crucified before rising again, in the time-honored way of God shown by his Son. Christians have the luxury of not seeing bad news as "bad" news since God is in control.

I'll end with a tweet I saw yesterday that expresses how Trump's legal and reputational hits can help him:

The only people you can trust are the ones who stand to be annihilated with you. The ones that have everything to lose and only one path to salvation."

r85, you have no hope, change that. The margin if the republicans retake the house is going to be very slim. 6 or 7 seats. Not everyone shows up for every vote. Some don't vote and there are a few house republicans that don't walk the way of Trump. You just need a few to cross over. Also, keeping in small in a year there is another election and time to get the house back if it's not too many seats to flip.

We must absolutely hold the Senate. They can't hold both houses for a year. Then nothing happens.

R148 yikes on that email

R133, was Sen. McMorrow lifting the lyrics from Harper Valley PTA?!

I hope that email embedded represents in R148's link reresents enough sentiment to fuel Trump's continuing mastery of the GQP. Trump's toxicity is the Democrats's salvation.

The problem with some of you and many democrats is you discuss politics with your feelings instead of being strategic. And you're too fickle. And stop falling for every trick of conservative media and internet trolls.

If Republicans want to die on the hill with Trump, be my guest. Also okay with me if they keep losing with him in 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030…

[quote]Whitmer /Buttegieg 2024?

People need to stop trying to make Bootyjudge happen. He belongs behind the scenes like Stacey Abrams and Beto O'rourke.

Lol. The delusional Trumpies in very bad disguise here trying to act like Kamala and Biden won’t be the candidates are hilarious. Biden just presided over one of the biggest congressional Dem holds in HISTORY. He’s not going anywhere. And the hilarious “Kamala didn’t bring out black voters.” Yes, yes she did. And we won the White House because of it. And we’re gong to win again in 2024 with Biden and Harris. This nonsense about Biden stepping aside for that little queen on his cabinet is stupid and embarrassing for anyone who brings it up. Biden and Harris 2024. Period.

Now shut the fuck up you moronic trolls.

Everything Trump touches dies, when will the GOP learn?

[quote]Sen Mallory McMorrow is the strength the Dems need. She calls the Right out hard and unapologetically. She'd make a great Pres.

Slow your roll. She's a first-term state Senator representing one district in Michigan. She needs to demonstrate that she can win a state-wide election before people start saying she should run for President, ffs.

An analysis of Trafalgar polling of the Senate races reveals that Trafalgar overestimated Republicans by 7.5%:

Brief recap of latest:

—Called for Ds last night: AZ Sen, NV1-3-4, NV SoS, AZ SoS, NV AG —Called for R: #nvgov —Yes calls: NV RCV, CO mushrooms —More NV today from Clark & more; may settle Sen race (& chamber) —Waiting for near-final #s from WA3 today —🤯 in U.S., PA & NH House

The polls can't be trusted. They are completely missing people who don't use landlines, which is almost all of Gen Z.

Secretary Pete is the head of a multi billion dollar department. He it factually changing the landscape of America. He would make a superb President. As a polyglot his foreign negotiations won't be more perspicacious. Pete is happening.

Dave Wasserman: It's possible #CA13 (Modesto) and #WA03 (Vancouver) lean slightly towards Ds at this point, and #CA41 (Riverside County) might lean ever-so-slightly towards Rs.

But #AZ01 (Scottsdale), #AZ06 (Tucson) and #CA22 (Bakersfield) are the toughest to divine at the moment.

R153, they are gonna go all MAGA on you for everything you said (which is entirely correct, BTW, though you left out the diva fixation and the he's hot.)

[quote] People need to stop trying to make Bootyjudge happen. He belongs behind the scenes like Stacey Abrams and Beto O'rourke.

Absolutely this. Running him for public office would result in a HUGE loss for the Dems.

markets have Dems at 95%+ to win Nevada (and with it, the Senate majority). the math on outstanding votes clearly points the same way. the networks just haven’t called it because the current tally has Laxalt head

I have been on this thread all day waiting for Nevada vote dump to happen. I have a feeling they’re going to do it all at once and settle the senate race once and for all. Any thoughts about that?

Cure's on in NV

Hah r167 and r169, that’s the second time I posted a question on this thread that someone was simultaneously posting the answer to.

Ralston update.

Big drop coming soon in NV

[quote]Absolutely this. Running him for public office would result in a HUGE loss for the Dems.

Disagree - moderately. I want to write him off because nothing makes me more skeptical than irrational fangurls and God knows he's got those. So I'd need to see data that says he's huge loss material.

What I can't deny PB is he's one of the most intelligent, effective communicators on the go at present. He's not poetry... he's all reason... but he is able to distill so much into simple phrasing that makes sense. The guy's a genius in that department. Young people played such a big part in what happened last week. Maybe it is coming time for PB, subject to more platform than I'm a shorter, brainier Beto but fuck I want to president too. I'm not convinced big chunks of the greatest nation on earth are ready for a First Lady with a prostate.

These vote dumps are too irregular. Somebody give Nevada a fiber supplement.

[quote]—Let him return to McKinsey or South Bend

Oh honey, we ain't never going back to Indiana. I'm a DC hillbilly now.

Why are they not calling the Katie / Kari race yet? Seems like Lake is losing by a significant margin.

Is Sean related to Arlene, r172?

I wish they could r176, but Arizona still has hundreds of thousands of votes to count. Hobbs is a bit more than 30k votes up. Does anyone know where the outstanding votes are coming from? Are they all over? Or are these specifically Dem or Repuke areas still being counted?

BREAKING:

Grifting lunatic no longer supports maniacal liar!

[quote]I'm not convinced big chunks of the greatest nation on earth are ready for a First Lady with a prostate.

I'd like to see his Inaugural gown in the Smithsonian collection.

R176, probably because Hobbs is only ahead by 31,000 votes. Mark Kelly had a much bigger lead of over 100,000 votes and yet they waited quite a while before calling him the winner. The trendline has been decent for Hobbs so far, but the they are doing the right thing by waiting longer to see what happens with the remaining vote.

Well, when you’ve lost Candace Owens, you’ve lost everything!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Poll Troll, thanks! Is there any idea how many ballots are left to be counted? Are they in a specific area that leans a certain way? Lots of unknowns in Arizona, way more than Nevada.

[quote]The problem with some of you and many democrats is you discuss politics with your feelings instead of being strategic.

That's precious coming five days after Republicans stole defeat out of the jaws of victory by refusing to disown a political liability because "owned the libs."

I am an admitted Pete fan. I supported him in the primary and continue to support him. I know some of you have a bug up your ass about Pete, but all I'm going to say about Pete is that the Democratic Party has never gone wrong when supporting "youngish" and unlikely out of the box candidates for presidents in the past.

"Candace Owen: A lot of reasons for that. Will explain when it becomes more relevant."

Well, that's one less thing to worry about.

Whitmer is a far superior candidate to Buttigieg for President.

R185, see R153. The bug is often less the man and more the gushing, feeling fans. DL has about five candidates that transcend reason. There's a logical case to be made for Pete. Messianic perfection isn't part of it.

Who is....?

Are Trump supporters (aka 80-90% of the R base) not mad that these pundits & TPTB are dropping Trump like a hot potato? I'm too tired to look.

That fat cow Elsie Stefanik has already endorsed Dump for President in 2024.

[quote] Democratic Party has never gone wrong when supporting "youngish" and unlikely out of the box candidates for presidents in the past.

Correct, and that's why the Democratic Party will never nominate Pete for president R185.

Enough with Pete. Too many Blacks will not vote for him.

I love that trump's minions are moving away from him. It's about time. I hope very soon...we'll know the results of who will take the House and Senate. This is ridiculous.

[quote] I love that trump's minions are moving away from him. It's about time.

But shouldn't we want them to not move on? They're trying to get off the Titanic, we should be pushing them back on.

When did grifter Yashar Ali resurface again?

I see your point, R195. I'm envisioning trump's reactions and temper tantrums, which is very satisfying to me. He's freaking out.

The Pete Troll is triggered that someone as intelligent, well spoken and who can connect with people as Buttigieg might get even a little consideration. Sad.

[quote]Solutions? Change. The old regime, in both parties, needs to go away. We need Katie Porter not Diane Alzheimer. We need Pete not Schumer. We need Hakeem Jeffries not Pelosi. We need Fetterman not Sanders.

Yes, let's blame it all on those Democrats instead of placing the focus on obstructionist, self-serving, assholes like McConnell, McCarthy, Ladbybugs, who have spent the past decade blocking any progress that any Democrats might try to make.

Clearly, the solution is to get rid of those trying to do things!

Nancy is doing just fine.

But you can have Schumer and Bernout.

On paper Pete might make a fine candidate.

But would enough people vote for him?

Let's find out.

The people have spoken!

R183, Garrett Archer says that Maricopa will be dropping more ballots tonight at 8pm local. He is anticipating that most of those ballots will be from GOP strongholds, so it could raise the GOP percentage 1-2 points in Arizona. That's why the race can't be called for Hobbs. There are also a couple of competitive House races in AZ that are very tight.

This

Laxalt sees the writing on the wall.

[quote]The polls can't be trusted. They are completely missing people who don't use landlines, which is almost all of Gen Z.

That’s not true. If you look at the methodology of each individual poll most call/text cell phones in addition to calling landlines.

Republicans have nominated/installed shit for so long they don't recognize quality. The future is getting brighter for Democrats every day.

The problem is less with all of the polls than it it is the averaging of them. There are too many garbage polls included in RCP & 538.

R206 what percentage of younger people answer their phones or respond to those texts?

Id be curious to know what the response rate is via text.

I thought people stopped bothering with 538 after 2016.

[quote]On paper Pete might make a fine candidate. But would enough people vote for him?

No.

The tenure of President Pete is a beautiful fantasy, but it's never going to happen.

From Nate Cohn:

[quote]The Clark County, Nev., registrar of voters, Joe Gloria, announced at a news conference today that all of the county’s remaining mail ballots — except for those that have been rejected but may still be cured by voters — will be reported this evening. This is expected to be around 22,000 ballots, potentially enough to put Senator Catherine Cortez Masto, a Democrat, into the lead in Nevada's Senate race.

My husband and I both voted for her (in Esmeralda County and in person) and we plan to celebrate her impending victory!

Bingo!

"A Nevada Republican strategist told CNN on Saturday that the mood inside Laxalt’s campaign was “awful” and that different factions of the candidate’s operation have begun the internal blame game, feeling it is a forgone conclusion that Cortez Masto will take the lead soon."

Buttigieg doesn't have to jump straight to the Presidency. There are plenty of great things he could contribute to any area. He's got value.

[quote][R206] what percentage of younger people answer their phones or respond to those texts?

I don’t know the response rate, but the better polls will breakout demographics by size…and the sample of younger people seem in line with the other groups. It seems more like pollsters underestimated GenZ turnout. Similar situation to 2016, when pollsters underestimated rural, Republican turnout and the polls skewed democratic.

Maybe instead, Pete can be Secretary of State one day!

Or Senator from New York!

[quote]what percentage of younger people answer their phones or respond to those texts? Id be curious to know what the response rate is via text.

Zero.

R208 is right. RCP sometimes has a Republican lean which can get in the way of the averages. For example, RCP rated the Maine Governor's race as a "Tossup" even though Janet Mills beat Paul LePage by 13 points.

[Quote] An analysis of Trafalgar polling of the Senate races reveals that Trafalgar overestimated Republicans by 7.5%:

Trafalgar constantly releases polls showing Republicans leading—and that’s what get fed to Trump

I saw a Biden/Harris 2024 lawn sign today!

[quote] The Pete Troll is triggered that someone as intelligent, well spoken and who can connect with people as Buttigieg might get even a little consideration. Sad.

R198 You ARE the Pete Troll. No one else here is posting incessantly about him but you...in a mid-term election thread.

And also the only one triggered!

Wrong. Don't try to deflect. It doesn't work.

What a catastrophe New York state was, for Democrats in this midterms. Of 26 or more congressional districts, they are going to win at least 11 seats when all votes are counted. That's almost swing state like numbers. That's just bonkers and Democrats in that state, especially Sean Patrick Maloney, should be ashamed of themselves for letting this happen. Sean Patrick Maloney should retire.

Not to mention if not for them, Dems would now be having both house and Senate and would not have to worry about Manchin blocking all legislation.

Maloney is a disgrace.

[quote] Don't try to deflect. It doesn't work.

Wrong!

Sean Patrick Maloney is friends with Kevin Sessums!

Well, dear, he's been retired, so you got that wish.

Think about it: if New York state hadn't gone so badly, Dems would have Congress and the White House. Sad lost days.

Yes, those lost days are sad.

Maloney cunts out at AOC. AOC claps back...

We could still take the House.

Polltroll…in theory I can understand what RCP is doing with their average…In practice I can see why it doesn’t work. For example, Marist had skewed heavily towards democrats in 2016 and 2020, so I can see taking polls that traditionally had a skew and making adjustments. The issue for me is that pollsters like Marist understand their polls were off and are making their own adjustments in order to be more accurate…so in effect RCP is adjusting polls that have already been adjusted. But, yeah, RCP is a trash site.

Isn't a judge responsible for the unfavorable NYS redistricting lines? Why, then, all the hate for NYS Dems?

I had high hopes for Kamala Harris, but she just doesn't have what it takes to be president. If Biden thinks he can do another term, Dems should not stand in his way. He obviously knows what he's doing, knows all the tricks and gets things moving and done. Dems shouldn't go for some charismatic but inexperienced figurehead like Obama again. Democracy needs fighters, not nice guys.

[quote]Isn't a judge responsible for the unfavorable NYS redistricting lines? Why, then, all the hate for NYS Dems?

Don't Dems control everything in NYS? The Democratic Governor should only be appointing favorable judges.

R236, I think because they went too far, landing the decision in the hands of a judge, who may or may not have been a Republican judge. I read something about it... I know Cuomo had a hand in brokering a deal too. It was a mess.

Sorry, r206, I should have been more clear with the first part of my post at r216. Better pollsters will breakout their response rate by demographics, including age. So, you need to look at each poll for that rate. I’m not aware of a generalized or generic response rate.

My phone rings a lot...and I don't answer it unless I recognize the number. My vms mailbox is full...but many with no messages. It could have been polls...don't know.

So who's the Democrats candidate for house leader when Nancy wants to quit?

[quote]If Biden thinks he can do another term, Dems should not stand in his way. He obviously knows what he's doing, knows all the tricks and gets things moving and done. Dems shouldn't go for some charismatic but inexperienced figurehead like Obama again. Democracy needs fighters, not nice guys.

I agree with this. Biden and Pelosi got a lot of shit done and passed in just two years, even with two Democratic obstructionists in the Senate. There's something to be said for experience. But yes, at some point they become too old to do the job.

R241, I’ve been contacted twice. Once by Marist (cell) and once by Franklin and Marshall (mailing with instructions to an online poll). Marist caller ID clearly indicated it was a pollster.

Nancy will let us know who she wants to succeed her.

[quote]So who's the Democrats candidate for house leader when Nancy wants to quit?

MEEEEE!!!

I like the quiet, but hard working leaders...not in the spotlight. I don't need to be entertained...just do their job and get good things done. Charisma is overrated.

New York State is a disaster. Dems better get their shit together there before 2024.

At this stage, I think it's safe to assume that the Dems have the slight majority in the Senate. With that in mind, in may not matter if the Republicans have a slight majority in the House or the Dems, because it will be a win for the Dems either way. They can milk the crass ineptitude of the Republicans' infighting Trump loyalists vs. those who want to hitch their wagon to DeSantis for the next two years. The Republicans will not be able to accomplish anything (including tax breaks for the rich), because they are too busy infighting.

Stopping the red wave fucked the Republicans big, it stopped a momentum they (especially Trump) needed for moving towards the 2024 election. Trump vs. DeSantis is going to dominate their focus and energy for the next two years. If the Dems play their cards right and stay out of any drama and just get some shit done, and the media is highlighting that vs. the right wing infighting, Joe Biden should have an almost sure chance to get reelected. Voters rewarded Biden in the midterms for cleaning some of Trump's mess and giving them stability despite the right wing media harping on gas prices and crime rates.

Congressional maps are redrawn every 10 years, following the US Census, to reflect changes in population over the previous decade. New York’s redistricting has been messier than usual; in 2014, then-Gov. Cuomo passed a law changing the redistricting process and allowing a nominally bipartisan body to redraw the map.

However, most members of that body are directly appointed by the legislature, which also has the authority to approve or reject the map. If the legislature rejects two maps in a row, it can then make its own redistricting plan, as Michael Li, senior counsel for the democracy program at the Brennan Center for Justice, explained in a blog post.

Democrats have held a supermajority in the Senate and the Assembly since 2021, so they could gerrymander the congressional district map after the independent commission failed to reach consensus on a new set of congressional and state legislative district maps. The Democratic supermajority then drew the congressional map in their favor, which Li called “a master class in how to draw an effective gerrymander” in a New York Times interview this past February. That map created 22 safe Democratic seats out of 26 House seats.

Republican members of the legislature sued in March, sending the redistricting fiasco to the courts, where Judge Patrick McAllister rejected the Democrats’ maps. Democrats in the legislature then had a chance to amend the maps — but they didn’t take it, instead kicking the issue back to McAllister and the Court of Appeals, which had McAllister appoint a special master to draw new maps.

The new maps eliminated one congressional district, made others more competitive than they’d been in years, and pitted Democratic representatives against each other. According to the court, the resulting map was “neutral,” carving out 15 likely Democratic seats, three Republican ones, and eight that were deemed competitive. Tuesday’s midterms saw the results: The new congressional maps helped Republicans flip four seats. The most stunning upset was the defeat of Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee — which is tasked with helping elect Democrats to the House — by Republican State Assembly member Michael Lawler to win a seat representing the New York City suburbs and parts of the Hudson Valley. Lawler had presented a more moderate Republican stance on issues like abortion and clearly rejected 2020 election denialism.

Maloney, a five-term incumbent, chose to run in New York’s 17th Congressional District, as opposed to the 18th District he currently represents. Not only did he lose on Tuesday, but in the primary he displaced the 17th District’s Rep. Mondaire Jones, who lost his bid in the 10th District; now both Maloney and Jones will be out of office come January, and NY-17 is in Republican hands.

Because it is a close race, they have to slow down and make sure. Both RNC and DNC are notified. It is really quite logical, a rationale process when it is a close race.

Dems need to run some good candidates to replace AlwaysOnCamera and the toxic BernCult club. All of them are useless idiots, likely propped up by dirty Russian oligarch and/or GQP money.

I am glad that Catherine Cortez-Masto seems to have won her race. I don't know anything about her, but the media narrative leading up to the election was that her seat was the most vulnerable in the Senate, and her re-election chances were dire. But she seems to have pulled it off.

I just hope that this win doesn't suppress Democratic turnout in the GA runoff election. We can't have a country where Herschel Walker is in the Senate.

Yes about the redistricting. My ballot had a different Democrat....who was in a southern district, other years. The usual one I voted for wasn't on my ballot. It kind of threw me off. Both Democrats won in my state.

Re: Nancy's replacement when she chooses to step down.. people have said they want Adam Schiff, and that he's trying to place himself to be next in line. Others say Nancy's handpicked replacement would be Hakeem Jeffries.

Adam Schiff would be great.

Joe Gloria put his faith in the Nevada process, and CCM's victory is assured if she had prevailed last Tuesday or next Monday. The institution held.

[quote]I agree with this. Biden and Pelosi got a lot of shit done and passed in just two years, even with two Democratic obstructionists in the Senate. There's something to be said for experience. But yes, at some point they become too old to do the job.

Biden doesn’t get enough credit for everything he’s done. And it was really annoying that democrats seemed to back off running on what Biden has accomplished in the nearly two years he’s been in office.

Please welcome to the stage, the Nevada legend of drag. Joe Gloria!

[quote]Democrats in the legislature then had a chance to amend the maps — but they didn’t take it, instead kicking the issue back to McAllister and the Court of Appeals

Pure incompetence by the NY Dems.

Do we know when the next batch of votes will come in from Nevada?

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not soon enough. What is up with those fucking mental deficients out there? Seriously what? Every goddamn election it’s the same thing. Arizona/ Nevada, Nevada/ Arizona! Move it!

It’s so frustrating. It used to be Iowa and New Hampshire felt special because they went first. Now it’s Arizona and Nevada and Georgia.

[quote]Arizona/ Nevada, Nevada/ Arizona! Move it!

Where should we move them?

We need Gil and Catherine these votes

"Dems need to run some good candidates to replace AlwaysOnCamera and the toxic BernCult club. All of them are useless idiots, likely propped up by dirty Russian oligarch and/or GQP money."

I will cut a bitch who even attempts to get one fucking red cent of my good buddy Putin's money. I'd be one broke ass bitch if it wasn't for Vlad's rubles rumbling around in my purse.

[quote]RCP sometimes has a Republican lean which can get in the way of the averages.

Sometimes?

[quote]What is up with those fucking mental deficients out there? Seriously what? Every goddamn election it’s the same thing. Arizona/ Nevada, Nevada/ Arizona!

Nevada/Arizona = "Thirsty Florida"

[quote]It’s so frustrating. It used to be Iowa and New Hampshire felt special because they went first. Now it’s Arizona and Nevada and Georgia.

Because they're nuts.

You will be grateful that NV is so thorough when the small number victory holds up in NV courts.

Heading out for the evening but will be on the watch here for Nevada updates. Come on, Nevada and CCM!

"New York State is a disaster. Dems better get their shit together there before 2024."

Maybe stop sacrificing incredibly experienced politicians at the altar of political correctness , politicians who know all about dirty politics and relish the opportunity to engage Republicans in a good old political dust up?

Which way will Nevada go?

Fuck no r273 Cuomo and his appointed conservative judges are the reason we're in this mess

Hobbs just increased her lead in the AZ GOV race from 31,000 to 37,000.

Great news, Poll Troll. Of course, if she keeps the count at 50/50 she will be in great shape, but increasing? Golden! Ugh, this is very stressful! But I’m hoping for the trifecta: Hobbs wins, CCM wins, and Dems get the House.

MSNBC updated their House prediction to 216 DEM / 219 GOP. It's getting closer and closer.

Dems should be requesting recounts if it's that close!

We are more or less at the slimmest possible majority.

And the best part? Even if they do stay above 218, there is no way Kevin McCarthy is going to end up as Speaker, because he's not extreme enough for some of the nutbars and the remaining non-Q-caucus will think he cost them a more sizable majority by kowtowing.

R277, it looks like Hobbs got a very good batch of votes out of Pima a little while ago. So now it's up to Maricopa. Can Lake get a big batch of votes there in the next update? Lake now needs more out of Maricopa than she did before.

^so who would it be then? Gym?

Glad that nasty fartbag Dr Oz got spiked

From Pima

Also Coconino County has tabulated 4,473 ballots Est. 3,816 remain (93% complete)

Batch breakdown Governor @KariLake 36.6 @katiehobbs 63.4

R280, I think McCathy will be Speaker because everyone hates him. They're going to want to blame him when there's nonstop infighting.

AZ just isn't that into you, Kari.

Just listen to this mess here...

[quote]Well, when you’ve lost Candace Owens, you’ve lost everything!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It depends...

Have the minstrel show gals (Satin & Shine) weighed in yet?

Big upset apparently? In favor of Dems

In a HUGE HUGE upset, democrat Marie G Perez beat republican, trumper Joe Kent in Washington district 3.

Cook Report marked this district as republican leaning and trump won this district in 2020 by 4 points.

If dems win one of AZ-1 and AZ-6 and wins one of the Californian races in one of the republican districts, the house is ours guys.

Christopher Bouzy has never stopped saying dems will keep the house... he got everything else right.

There's a D House Rep candidate named Kermit Jones? Why, parents, why???

Now that a democrat won WA-03, every district on the west coast will be represented by a democrat.

WA-03 is another example of Trump hurting the Republicans. The incumbent Representative, Jaime Herrera Beutler, was one of 10 House Republicans to vote to impeach Trump so he had her taken down in the primary this year and replaced with MAGA Joe Kent. That cost them the district.

I appreciate his swipe at 538!

Rachel Vindman, Alexander's wife, read 538 to filth. I think she actually called what's his name an asshole. All the responses concurred.

For lazy R295:

If you’re on Facebook, check out the New York Outrage page. The vile vitriol spewed is terrible.

They love DeSantis so much, and make fun of Fetterman’s appearance

If DeSantis decided to move to NY, he could probably win the governorship easy. But, I’ll say it again, I don’t think DeSantis will play well with MAGA middle America

[quote]If DeSantis decided to move to NY, he could probably win the governorship easy.

I would explain why that wouldn't happen, but I don't speak Crazy.

Think Kari Lake is mostly done. She just got a bad batch from Maricopa. Was supposed to be a big Rep drop. She needs 55%+ to win now

Yay! I got a shout out from VOTN! 😘😘

Video clip of Steve Kornacki getting very excited about NBC calling WA-03 for the Dems:

Is Kornacki getting wacky in his khakis?

[quote]Video clip of Steve Kornacki getting very excited about NBC calling WA-03 for the Dems:

Disappointed that there was no VPL.

You got my hopes up.

You don't shoe a bulge in khakis, just a pooch.

RIP Scary Lake.

Glad to see that shady sleazeball Joe Kent go down in WA-03. He’s been spreading election misinfo for days.

[quote] Kent went on the "War Room" podcast Thursday with former Trump advisor and conspiracy theorist Steve Bannon, who asked why the ballot count is taking so long in the race. Kent claimed without evidence that it's because election officials are up to no good. “Best case, they're just trying to demoralize us. Worst case, there's some sleight of hand going on behind the scenes,” Kent said.

He also collected a $122K annual salary for a no-show job at a nonexistent company. Hmmm.

Republicans have been cheating with dark money yet again, among many other methods. Strange they run on "law and order" when they constantly break the law.

TVOTN, hopefully you're feeling better about things than you were at the start of Part 2:

[quote]Democrats could still surprise and keep the House.

[quote]Yeah, not holding my breath on that one.

;)

(Good call, FCI!)

I will be utterly delighted to have been wrong about that.

R303/VOTN, sorry that there was no bulge action for Steve.

Republicans losing WA-03 is amazing. They did it to themselves. Dems have wanted that seat forever. Jaime Beutler would have won, she'd been in that seat for a decade winning by double digits, but they primaried her because she voted to impeach Trump. You really love to see it.

whoever is in leadership position of the NY state Democrats should be relieved of those duties. Yes the repubs got lucky with the right wing judge in a right wing area BUT as the article states, the NY state legislature had the chance to redo the map but instead they failed to do so which is why a special master did it. That was at least 2-3 House seats they blew

The dream of a House majority seems more out of reach now.

there needs to be a reckoning with NY Democratic state leadership. They severely fucked up a high-stakes race

I'm not too worried either way. If the Republicans win the house by a few seats, get out the popcorn. Implosion time! All the merrier if it's accompanied by a savage under-the-bus-throwing of Mitch with some venal hack like Rick Scott ascending to Minority Leader.

[quote]there needs to be a reckoning with NY Democratic state leadership. They severely fucked up a high-stakes race

The dam has broken somewhat. Grace Meng (my Congresswoman) called out the NY party on Twitter, pointing out that it was the WFP that turned people out. She did it gently, but still forthrightly.

BREAKING BREAKING BREAKING

CCM overtakes LAXALT and now leads by 5 thousand votes in NEVADA

Writing is on the wall.

Take Laxalt back to Baltimore

Cortez-Masto officially ahead!

CCM WINS

Latest dump from Clark County.

CCM is ahead. We're getting there.

CCM hAs a 5000 lead now. Clark county just released a boatload of votes

CCM announced the winner!

Dems take senate!!

CCM wins Nevada per MSNBC.

SHE WON!!!! WE HAVE THE SENATE!!!!!

Congresscreature Boebert’s win will be the one to take them over the line, won’t it? I can just see her gloating…

CNN: Democrats Keep Control of the Senate!

I didn't realize that Adam Laxalt was the bastard offspring of Pete Domenici (R-NM) and the 24-year-old daughter of his Senate colleague Paul Laxalt (R-NV).

R315 it doesn't matter if repubs win by 1 seat or 5,6,7. They will raise absolute hell. They will launch numerous sham investigations and impeachments of Biden, Harris, Garland, Buttigieg and more. Their goal will be to do to Hillary with Benghazi which led to "#ButHerEmails" chant and ruined her presidential chances as Russia swooped in to help. Elon Musk will let the repubs and Russia spread wild disinformation all over twitter unless he throws a fit and sells the platform in 2023

whether the public will fall for the repubs' antics is another matter but the point is it worked for them before so they're going to go harder this time

**CNN has also called NEVADA for CORTEZ MASTO and projected that DEMS KEEP CONTROL OF SENATE.**

All that said, give Warnock money. We need to keep him around.

As expected

Katie Hobbs up by 34,000 votes.

Will they be serving Turtle soup in the Senate GOP caucus? Stay tuned!

[quote]It doesn't matter if repubs win by 1 seat or 5,6,7. They will raise absolute hell.

You underestimate the strife and infighting that will ensue from this. They’re going to have a tough time getting organized.

really hope Warnock wins. He's such a great asset to Democrats. Charismatic, great speaker, broad appeal, decent man. He's everything Walker is not.

R334 the beginning will be fun and chaotic to watch but they will eventually get it together and cause so much damage

Nunes' midnight run is going to look like child's play

No call from Fox.

But won’t their Republican “investigations” seem stupid with a 3-member lead? Read the room.

is there any more coming out of Arizona tonight?

Womp womp.

Exactly. We need Warnock because he's great and his opponent is very much not, even if we already have the majority (though having some padding certainly doesn't hurt.)

r338, this is a party that proclaims they have a mandate even when they don't win the popular vote. They certainly don't have enough shame to let a mere two or three vote majority restrain them.

I know the Republicans' game has been to act as though they had popular support when they don't and forge ahead with their hubris, but this election has to have shown them the perils of doing so more vividly than even the last two. They can have all the time-wasting impeachment hearings etc. that they want; they know the electorate's eyes are on them and they don't have the vote-suppression infrastructure in place for 2024 that they expected to have.

I'm happy now that we don't have to worry about judges. I want the Democrats to confirm some more before the year's end but at least now we have guaranteed 2 more years to fill it up. I'd love for Thomas and Alito to kick the bucket after the Georgia runoff. That would be a nice end of the year or new year's present

I love this.

R338, the Dems, with 224 members, have had a very narrow majority in this Congress.

How can the vote count in those California districts still be at only ~40-50%? WTF?

R328 they will be too disorganized and pulverized by daily Dump dumps to accomplish anything. Not that that’s good, we will have problems passing

Fox News is ignoring the election results and are spoon feeding covid/climate change conspiracies to their viewers. But of course.

Hah anything… as I continue my post at r348.

[quote]I'd love for Thomas and Alito to kick the bucket after the Georgia runoff.

This NEEDS to happen.

Schumer to make a speech shortly!

I wish there was a camera on McConnell right now. Is his neck flap growing even more?

^How can I help?

I still think Warnock wins. Republicans have zero reason to go out and vote for Walker now. Dems do have a reason since we have two annoying dem senators

R347 Mail voting is slow. It's why Wasserman shouldn't speak so quickly r313

Time to put Skari Lake out of her misery.

For R351

[quote]whether the public will fall for the repubs' antics is another matter but the point is it worked for them before so they're going to go harder this time

After 4 years of Trump, 6 years of QAnon wackos and election denials plus January 6, people are sick and tired. Gym Jordan and friends will come across as the raving lunatics they are. If Trump wades into the POTUS race, who knows. All this may turn even more general electorate away from the GOP.

And Biden admin can run the Trump playbook at them: claim executive privilege, defy subpoenas, file lawsuits, etc.

Wow, CNN is loving DeSantis. They're basically telling GOP to dump Trump and go with DeSantis.

[quote] Fox News is ignoring the election results and are spoon feeding covid/climate change conspiracies to their viewers. But of course.

Sean Hannity is now playing dumb by saying he doesn’t know where all the talk of a Red Wave was coming from! These people have no fucking shame!

CNN is right-wing garbage now.

Republican house wants to do Hunter Biden investigations. The public is sick of this crap and doesn't care about it. They'll just make themselves look bad. Not the worst thing in the world for the public to see what the republicans do with power when they have it before the 2024 election.

I don’t get how Michael Beschloss is saying now on MSNBC that control of the Senate will enable Biden to do great things. How?!? Certainly not legislative if the House flips.

Judges R362.

However, please continue to support and fight for Warnock. 51/49 is much better than 50/50 for everybody.

Also, for all of the people talking about the Latino vote...

[quote]Florida Latino voters remain the outlier

Florida *everybody* remains the outlier, thank God.

[quote]One billionaire attempted to purchase the governor of Oregon

True, but that's only half the story. Democrats have had control of the state for a long time. We are last in the country for rehab help, second to the last for help with mental illness and our school system in Portland ranks lower and lower every year. The homeless problem is out of control even thought voters (like me) vote in income tax increases and bond measures to help the homeless.

The Democrats here need to get their shit together and start fixing our big problems. It's not enough to expect to get votes if they cannot lead.

Just let Florida sink into the gulf, it's nothing but swamp ass

I get judges, & executive department confirmations, R363, but that’s not what Bechsloss was talking about.

Working as hard as we can, R367!

R368, the Senate is now a firewall. Whatever crazy legislation a possible Republican House sends to the Senate won't go anywhere. A Republican House can do their crazy investigations and all that bullshit, but legislatively they won't be able to get any bills passed. The only thing that gives me pause is the whole crazy debt ceiling thing, but hopefully that can be dealt with in a lame duck session.

r368 I think the hope is that with extremely thin Republican majority , some same moderate house republicans will vote for democrat's less polarizing bills.

R370, I get a Democratic Senate can be a firewall against the excesses of a Republican House (or even that is overstated with a Democratic president with a veto pen), but that doesn’t mean that any legislation advancing the Democrats’s agenda is going to get to Biden’s desk.

Thank you, Arizona! Thank you, Nevada!

So did Laxalt lose in NV or what?

R374 He did. Harry Reid's ghost keeps winning

Phlmpmmpfffzzz

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Thanks, R375. CNN is all ‘Dems keep control ov Senate’ but no mention of who won to put them there.

Repubs snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Idiot incompetents.

Who will break the news to donald?

To be fair to CNN, there was only one race waiting to be called to give Democrats control.

Did anyone have "Democrats may gain control of the Alaska Senate" on the bingo card? Apparently, there's enough infighting between the various Republican factions that some of the Republicans may break off and go into a coalition agreement with the Democratic caucus. Apparently, the AK House already has a similar arrangment.

Habemus senatum!

This will spoil the party! They haven't even danced to the Time Warp.

is Arizona done for the night?

Catherine Cortez Masto (D) 481,838 votes Adam Laxalt (R) 477,015 votes None of these Candidates (NP) 11,887 votes Barry Lindemann (NPP) 7,688 votes Neil Scott (LPN) 6,112 votes

Catherine Cortez Masto wins re-election to the U.S. Senate, securing Democratic control of the Senate.

lol.

[quote]is Arizona done for the night?

Yes. Another drop tomorrow. If Lake doesn't gain significant ground in that one, I think she'll be done.

Catherine Cortez Masto (D) 481,838 votes

Adam Laxalt (R) 477,015 votes

None of these Candidates (NP)

11,887 votes Barry Lindemann (NPP)

7,688 votes Neil Scott (LPN) 6,112 votes

Catherine Cortez Masto wins re-election to the U.S. Senate, securing Democratic control of the Senate.

R364 damn Cubans

who would believe that while descending from people who fled an authoritarian regime they'd turn around and empathically support a pro-authoritarian party

I mean how stupid can you be? Doesn't matter if it's far-right or far-left. Authoritarian is authoritarian

[quote]Repubs snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Idiot incompetents.

You make that sound like a bad thing.

[quote]If Lake doesn't gain significant ground in that one, I think she'll be done.

I just can't imagine that there were that many CCM/Lake voters. If you're not voting for Laxalt, then you're not voting for Lake. But I guess I could be wrong, since they haven't called it.

[quote]who would believe that while descending from people who fled an authoritarian regime they'd turn around and empathically support a pro-authoritarian party

Remember the people who fled were mostly the rich. They don't mind some authoritarianism if it's their own kind.

[quote]I just can't imagine that there were that many CCM/Lake voters. If you're not voting for Laxalt, then you're not voting for Lake. But I guess I could be wrong, since they haven't called it.

Wrong state.

Thanks Voice. This 4th Vodka/Tonic has made me loopy.

(As I reach for my vape pen)

Just smoke copious amounts of pot, silly.

at least the repubs cannot repeal any of the great laws passed in the last 2 years with Democrats holding the Senate

Johnathan Alter just said American voters foiled the coup plotters. I love that

hahahaha

McConnell is trending on twitter and getting obliterated in the comments!

you can't make this shit up! happy ending!

NBC News projects: Cisco Aguilar (D) wins Nevada Secretary Of State. @MSNBC

R398, even if the Senate had also flipped, Biden could just veto any such efforts.

Speak of, does SoS-elect Aguilar appear to be smelling cookies to anyone else?

lmao this clip never gets old

I would like to see the Democrats in the Senate run their own investigations to counter the narrative the repubs in the House want to run. There are surely some things Democrats can make lots of noise about. Can they pick up where the House Democrats left off with the Jan 6 investigation?

Fuck you, Moscow Mitch! You hateful old prick! Eat shit and GTFO, ya fucking LOSER!

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I think Washoe is going to play a bigger and bigger role for Dems' chances going forward. Cortez Masto's margin statewide is less than her margin in Washoe.

The repukes are going to be pissed they don't have their mega-majority. I think we can still look forward to a lot of sham investigations for the next two years.

This might free up Sinema and Manchin to move major legislation during the Lame Duck knowing it would not be overturned in the next two years.

The curse of 2010 has been lifted. We will not suffer another ten years of Zero Sum Republican obstructionism. We need to undo the Trump Tax Hoax.

Oh what great joy.

Never underestimate the West.

Oh, and I believe that the Dems have one last Reconciliation bill in their pocket.

I wish they could take care of gay and interracial marriage and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act in the Lame Duck.

check these tweets

here's why in addition to it just being the right thing to do, we still need Warnock to win and give us a clear edge

Biden's noms will get confirmed so much faster

THink about what the Speaker does. What is their function. They are a nursemaid to their caucus. They are a referee to members of their caucus as well as the rest of House members. They wrangle votes. They discuss and greenlight legislation, they have to be ten steps ahead of everyone and have impeccable intelligence about what's going on on the opposition's side. They send flowers and condolences, birth and death and hospitals. And if someone sneezes they have chicken soup. They have to have detailed knowledge on what the White House's plans are. They have to knowwhat's going on in foreign policy, in the economy, and various regions of our country. Speaker has to be accomodating, solicitous, patient, and never lecture, preach or lose their temper unless it is part of their stratregy. Everything is about strategy. The Speaker has to be respected and sometimes even feared. They also give out favors and withhold them. it is a difficult complicated job and they need a staff that is loyal, and capable. Exctremely intelligent. Thorough. and able to move on everything efficiently. It's a job for someone with experience. Pelosi is a f ucking Genius. We have never had anyone as effective. The bar is very high.

It was the Culinary Union in Nevada that helped CCM the most, and thus helped the Democrats hold the Senate.

[quote]Repubs snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Or in Mitch McConnell's case, the jowls of victory.

R414, Biden just briefly talked to the press (he's in Asia) about the Senate hold, and made that exact point about the committees.

BREAKING: Democrat Julia Brownley wins reelection to U.S. House in California's 26th Congressional District. #APracecall at 7:44 p.m. PST.

Those other candidates on the Nevada ballot really hurt Laxalt. One is a far right politician, one is a Libertarian and the other is a businessman.

R416 Las Vegas is a union town in a right to work state. Culinary Union is awesome.

[bold]Culinary Union of Nevada[/bold] = Mexican central.

CUN is 60% Latino.

I told you all Latinos would make the difference. The national media will not give them credit, but at least you all know.

For the motherfucker at r296 who never had responsibilities like feeding children on schedule, you are unfortunately more stupid than the "cleverness" you claim to exude out your pores. Actually, the stench exuding from your pores is a closeted gay man resentful he has to pay child support for the children he "didn't mean" at all.

Without the abortion issue, would Democrats have triumphed by a thin majority? Too close for comfort.

abortion brought out a bigger slice of Millennials and Gen Z

Gen Z 63% voted for Democrats

Millennials 51%

both would be even higher percentages in a general election. Right wing youngsters like their parents come out in every election.

fucking Baby Boomers and Gen X still clear majority vote for repubs

Marie Gluesenkamp Perez has just now won her election in Washington. She beat a Trumpy white supremacist who thought Anthony Fauci should be tried for murder, etc. The seat's been Republican for ages - the Trumpy guy had primaried the woman who was in the seat, Jaime Herrera Beutler, because she was one of the few Republicans to vote to impeach Trump - and now it's gone Democrat.

And Marie Perez is very cool.

r408 I agree that the generally purple Washoe county is very important for Democrats who can turn it into really blue like Clark, but, don't go with Masto's current lead statewide. Her lead statewide is only going to expand from now. There are about 10k ballots in Clark which are marked as provisional, cured and those that are dropped by USPS today. All these 10k ballots will break hugely in her favor expanding her lead quite significantly statewide.

as happy as I am about Democrats keeping the Senate, I of course really want Warnock to win because he deserves it

I also am still upset about the losses of Barnes, Beasley, Demings and Ryan. All 4 were outstanding candidates and lost to pieces of shit

R425 where are you getting those numbers? I'd be interested in seeing the actual numbers for Gen X.

Gen X votes Democratic. They did on 2016/2018. I'm assuming they continued to vote Dem in 2020 and 2022

Not a single election denier will run a swing state’s elections in 2024.

R429 saw it on tv but just found it online too:

18-29 which includes Gen Z and younger half of Millennials 63% voted Democrats

30-44 older half of Millennials and tail end of Gen X 51% Democrats

45-64 most Gen X and younger part of Boomers 44% Democrats

65+ most Boomers and whatever's left of Silent Gen 43% Democrats

this link also shows how Black, Latino and White youth voted. All majority Democrat but white of course the least

Interesting to see only battleground youth Senate votes that were 40% repub or higher were Florida, Ohio and North Carolina. I think turnout in those states were lower which explains higher percentage

[quote]Gen X votes Democratic

Depends on which end of the generation.

Nate Silver fails. AGAIN. He’s a moron. 538 should be shut down.

just a minor nitpicking I have and to add on to my post at R432 I wish the media would stop calling Max Frost the first Gen Z House member. He's 25. The Gen Z generation is currently 8-23 years old so he's 2 years too old. He's the tail end of Millennial generation not Gen Z. I realize he appeals majorly to the Gen Z generation though

R433, there are no "ends" of generations. Gen X is 42-57 years of age. Just because the link wants to round the ages doesn't make it actual data. Gen X votes majority Democrats.

R435, Gen Z is 10-25 years of age.

[quote]I wish the media would stop calling Max Frost the first Gen Z House member. He's 25.

huh? Gen Z starts in year 1997... the year he was born.

Cortez Masto has increased her lead in Nevada to 6,556 votes.

R436, thanks.. I thought the age brackets looked weird on that.

[quote]there are no "ends" of generations.

??? There’s the beginning and the end of every generation. And, guess what? People born at the beginning of a generation often have little in common with those born at the end…an example of this can be seen in how GenX votes. Those born at the beginning lean more republican than those born at the end.

So I just need to hear Hobbs won the Arizona governor's race and I will be able to sleep soundly again.

R441, then generations have no meaning if you're just going to break them wherever you feel like it to fit into little preordained number ranges. Makes absolutely no sense to analyze generational voting patterns if you're not going to look at the actual generations.

Gen X does not vote majority for Democrats. If they did, repubs would never win with their votes combined with Millennials and now Gen Z

it was largely angry Gen X parents we saw the last 2 years screaming about "CRT" and lgbt issues regarding school. It was angry Gen X parents who didn't want teachers to be safe during covid and instead wanted to force them to stay at school getting infected

Gen X is really quite split when it comes to voting especially depending on the state.

Youngkin wouldn't have won Virginia governorship without angry white Gen X parents

Elizabeth Warren: Democrats Just Held the Senate. Here’s What We Do Next.

A lot of wise words.

I'm a GenXer and, yes, we are quite split politically. Some of the craziest Trumpers, are GenXeres. Kari Lake, born 69. MTG, 74. However Boebert belongs to you Millennials.

From Warren's piece: A majority of Americans know that abortion is a kitchen-table issue that is central to both health and economic security, not a distraction.

Not sure that was the best way to put it.

[quote]then generations have no meaning if you're just going to break them wherever you feel like it to fit into little preordained number ranges.

I hate to break it to you but…there’s something out there called Generation Jones…because someone decided that younger baby boomers had nothing in common with the older group. So, yeah, people have been breaking up generations, which themselves are arbitrary (with the exception of baby boomers).

Gen X is so tiny we barely matter in voting in the face of Millennials and Boomers. The problem is that Millennials never bothered to vote to help us counter the Boomers and Silents. So, welcome to the grownup world, Millennials. It's nice that it only took an extra decade and a half for you to grow the hell up. Hope your little brothers and sisters in Gen Z do better.

I am so generation Jones:

Key characteristics assigned to members are pessimism, distrust of government, and general cynicism.[40][43]

In Pontell's opinion, the cohort shifted left in 2020, which he attributed to Trump’s response to the Covid-19 crisis and Trump’s mocking of Joe Biden’s senior moments. "There are lots of seniors out there that also have senior moments," Pontell says. "They don’t really like the president mocking those one bit."[44]

[quote]Gen X does not vote majority for Democrats. If they did, repubs would never win with their votes combined with Millennials and now Gen Z

I don't know how true that is? You have to factor in how many from each group actually vote?

I think Gen X is actually a smaller group than any other generation out there. Further, Millennials tend to have lower voting records, and Gen Z, up until the past few years, has also had really low turnout.

I was born in 82, and I really don't consider myself a Millennial. I prefer the Xennial label as I feel someone of my age share things in common with both Gen X and Millennials.

R449, you keep proving your ignorance. Go check how many years were originally assigned to Boomers versus all the other generations. That generation always had a much larger age range than all the other generations. THAT'S why Generation Jones was broken out but, even then, it's not often used when doing generational analysis.

Xennial!…that was the other slice of a generation I couldn’t recall.

Mitch McConnell goes to bed tonight knowing he won’t be Majority Leader.

Sleep well, America.

-Gavin Newsom

R449 I'm among the very last of the supposed Baby Boomers, but I don't feel like a boomer at all. By the time we came of age the easy boomer life was already well on its way out.

Count me as Generation Jones.

Then explain Xennial, r454…we’ll wait.

Well, I'm Generation Jones but I hesitate to say that earlier Boomers had it easy - they were drafted to fight in Vietnam.

R458, a make-believe designation used by people who don't want to be associated with Millennials even though they are Millennials. Millenials, the only generation that hates themselves more than they hate anyone else.

Take your meds, r460.

R460 is digging himself into a bigger hole.

Not only take your meds, but go to bed!

I think earlier Boomers were also beat up in Civil Rights marches, shot at Kent State, had to have back alley abortions, etc.

[quote]However Boebert belongs to you Millennials.

Don’t they also own Cawthorn, Gaetz and Hawley?

Not only did we not lose the Senate, we might have gained a seat.

The House is only going to be won by a minimal amount of seats. The red wave was a flop. How does Trump come back from this. They had inflation and everyone saying country in wrong direction and Biden so low in favorability, yet this is one of the best mid terms for an incumbent ever.

[quote]I was born in 82, and I really don't consider myself a Millennial.

But you are Blanche! YOU ARE!

[quote]Gen X does not vote majority for Democrats. If they did, repubs would never win with their votes combined with Millennials and now Gen Z

Gen Z (18-25) largely voted Democrats.

Millennials (26-29) largely voted Democrats.

Millennials (30-41) split their votes between Democrats and Republicans.

Generation X (42-44) split their votes between Democrats and Republicans.

Generation X (45-57) Vote largely Republican.

Boomers (58+) vote largely Republican.

If the mishaps in New York didn't happen, Dems would probably be comfortably cruising to retain the House too.

If Repugs do take it at least it will be a very slim and fractured majority.

The AP has also called NV SoS for Francisco Aguilar (D), defeating Jim Marchant (R), who falsely claimed elections have been rigged for decades. It's now official that no election denier will administer the 2024 election in any swing state.

Claire McCaskill being deliciously snatchy

Dems retain the Senate! Now Dems retain the House!

Fuck you trolls and fuck you republicans.

538: just to emphasize how unlikely that Democratic pickup in Washington’s 3rd District was, our midterm forecast gave Gluesenkamp Pérez just a 2-in-100 shot of defeating Kent. That is the upset of the cycle thus far. While Kent always seemed likely to be a weaker GOP candidate than Herrera Beutler, a Republican losing an R+9 seat is highly unusual in a midterm when Democrats control the White House.

538: ABC News estimates, around 325,000 votes are yet to be tallied in Arizona, which means Lake needs to win about 55 percent of those votes to catch Hobbs. That means she’s going to need to do better than she did in this latest batch.

R328, only 3 of the 4 were excellent. Barnes sucked

A representative seat in Washington State flipped from Repub to Dem. The seat was held by a Republican who was primaried because she voted to impeach Trump. Trump endorsed her Republican challenger who defeated her in the primary. Trump's endorsed Republican lost the general election and the seat flipped. It's now held by a Democrat for the first time since 2011.

Joe Kent was a particularly repugnant candidate for this region. His people turned away local reporters who tried to attend his election night party because he wasn't talking to "fake news." Christine Drazan, the Republican candidate for Oregon governor, showed more grace in her defeat, although even she managed to inject a little cuntiness into her concession speech.

Of all the tight races nationwide rejecting MAGA madness, Joe Kent's seems the clearest repudiation to me. It's not a race that got much national coverage, but for those of us in the PNW who saw the local coverage and ads in the last few weeks, Kent was the most openly far right extremist here.

[quote]A representative seat in Washington State flipped from Repub to Dem. The seat was held by a Republican who was primaried because she voted to impeach Trump.

I love this. The idiot Trumpsters got rid of the incumbent out of spite, and lost the entire office.

As David Brooks said, America preferred the party that was out of touch to the party that was out of their minds.

[quote][R315] it doesn't matter if repubs win by 1 seat or 5,6,7. They will raise absolute hell. They will launch numerous sham investigations and impeachments of Biden, Harris, Garland, Buttigieg and more. Their goal will be to do to Hillary with Benghazi which led to "#ButHerEmails" chant and ruined her presidential chances as Russia swooped in to help. Elon Musk will let the repubs and Russia spread wild disinformation all over twitter unless he throws a fit and sells the platform in 2023 whether the public will fall for the repubs' antics is another matter but the point is it worked for them before so they're going to go harder this time

Democrats could combat this if they get off their asses. As Michael Moore recently stated; "Democrats MUST STOP BEING WIMPS!" Democrats could come up with strategies to rebut every single Republican move before it even takes hold. They should have a special organization that manages this. Hire someone like Sean Maloney (I understand that he's not doing anything now) to run it. Nothing is worse than a pissed-off Queen.

[Quote]How does Trump come back from this. They had inflation and everyone saying country in wrong direction and Biden so low in favorability, yet this is one of the best mid terms for an incumbent ever.

This is so annoying. Unemployment is currently record low and the economy is doing great. Inflation, high gas/energy prices and supply chain issues are a global problem and not Biden's fault. Yet, he gets no credit for a booming economy and job market. It's always Trump, Trump, Trump in the media. Whenever they report good job numbers etc. there is always a second sentence why this is actually bad for Democrats and Biden. I CAN'T WAIT FOR TRUMP TO GO AWAY OR DROP DEAD ALREADY. But I guess they'll just find a new negative spin why everything Biden does is bad

How likely will Boebert's Colorado seat flip to a Dem in the recount? Is she still ahead by 900-ish votes? How many votes remain to be counted?

I wish Democrats had gained two more Senate seats so we would never have to hear from Munchin or Sinema again. Sadly, they have two more years now to obstruct and sabotage the Democratic agenda. They both need to be primaried and go.

Defeating mouth breather Herschel Walker in the run-off would neutralize at least one of them, r481. After the Senate is now officially a Dem majority, the right wing voters will be less energized to vote, but because of Munchin and Sinema, the Dem voters still remain motivated.

I would like to see the Dems retain the House, if for nothing else, because of the psychological blow that it would deal Republicans.

R479 unfortunately everyone who voted for the repubs in this midterm has been convinced that:

1. Biden & Democrats caused inflation with their "typical wasteful Dem spending"

2. no way was inflation caused by covid-induced supply chain disruptions, Russia's invasion of Ukraine or simple greedy corporate price gouging

3. it doesn't matter what's happening in the rest of the world. Only what's happening in the US matters. Biden is President so it's his fault.

4. The economy was BOOMING under super businessman extraordinaire Trump, so what if he was "rough around the edges". Yes the economy rose overnight when Trump started his term (it SUCKED under Obama, OK?) and yes it fell off a cliff the second Biden started his term

5. only a repub controlled congress can reel in Biden/Democrats' wasteful woke spending agenda and stop inflation

the right wing media propaganda machine and enabling mainstream media (they often just list economic problems without giving context, causation or how we compare to other countries) have led countless Americans to believe all of this

there are even a number of people who voted for Democrats who believe it but they ultimately valued our democracy and threat to rights like abortion first, thankfully

unfortunately in our country it's baked in with the average American that repubs are automatically better at the economy and unless things turn around in 2023 it's going to be a big issue for Democrats in 2024. No it's not accurate or fair but that's the reality. Trump and the repubs had the luck of being removed from power before inflation hit the fan so they aren't getting blamed. Notice though how around the world people are blaming their governments whether right or left wing. From Australia to Brazil to UK all shakeups in leadership

Woke up to the Nevada news. YAY!

And, that's when Democrats must go scorched earth, R484.... (IMHO)

Just start calling these people ignorant and stupid. Do not waste time with them. If they dare speak just simply ignore them. I am still QUITE rankled that Newt Gingrich had the nerve to say that a Democratic strategy is to demonize Republicans. Just an UNBELIEVABLE comment from a Republican where he and many of them demonized and personalized attacks towards Democrat women.

So, what if Republican feelings are hurt.

[quote]Hire someone like Sean Maloney (I understand that he's not doing anything now) to run it.

I think Maloney has more than proven that he's the LAST person we should be hiring for ANYTHING political.

if you notice repubs have called Biden what they consider to be the ultimate insult-"he's like Carter" meaning Biden, like Carter is responsible for the high inflation. Never mind that inflation kept going strong in 1981-2 under Reagan and didn't get better until 1983. Carter is the only one who ever gets associated with inflation! So repubs today are doing the same thing with Biden, pretending that covid, the Russian invasion of Ukraine and corporate price gouging didn't happen and it's just "another Dem disaster"

the mainstream media really needs to give viewers facts. Just saying "inflation is high" without any context makes it seem like it's Biden/Democrats' fault.

now yes sometimes they mention the Inflation Reduction Act but not often enough or what's in it

*deleted this by accident but meant to add that inflation and high gas prices started in 1973 under Nixon, continued under Ford, then Carter and into Reagan's first 2 years but only Carter gets blamed by many people.

[quote]if you notice repubs have called Biden what they consider to be the ultimate insult-"he's like Carter" meaning Biden, like Carter is responsible for the high inflation. Never mind that inflation kept going strong in 1981-2 under Reagan and didn't get better until 1983.

High inflation is like a forest fire, continuing long after the factors that started it have abated. The inflation aftereffects of Biden's covid bill are going to be with us for a while.

R444 FUCK Gen X. They wanna pretend they're all that and then they go and vote for Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene.

xoxo,

A Millennial

Dems need savvy strategists....who work for the overall party. A sort of Nancy Pelosi to guide them thru the crazy twists and and turns of Repub minefields.

Combined with a great (forceful)communicator to speak for the party, this would be invaluable. Agree with another poster that Buttigieg would fit the bill. He has the golden tongue. The ability to distill complex issues and bring them to the public in digestible bites. He would be far more suited to this role than public office.. He could surreptitiously then skip out to care for his family (and have others pay his salary) to his heart’s content.

[quote] Gen X is so tiny we barely matter in voting in the face of Millennials and Boomers.

What lies you tell yourself to make yourself feel better. If you place the beginning of Gen X at 1961 like many people do, you're larger than Baby Boomers.

Stupid shit like "Let's Go Brandon" bit them in the ass. The right win thinks it can do humor, or is down with social media memes, but they fail miserably at that. I mean, they even tried to get hip by jumping on the cryptocurrency bandwagon, and look how that turned out. Kiss. Of. Death. Once the Deplorables went hard for the anti-government crypto movement, including a Let's Go Brandon bit coin currency, its bubble bursts. They got scammed. Hard.

Not even gonna bother posting it again but there are polls you can find online from the 1990 midterms that show GenXers who were of voting age voted just slightly Republican. The demographic went to the left for a long while (beginning with the national Rock The Vote campaign in 1992) but started sliding rightward in 2000; the Roper Center polls are the best place to see this, if you're looking for stats. The 2008 election where GenX was solidly blue seems to have been an anomaly.

I'd say the biggest change beyond age was when the Tea Party was really sinking their hooks into GenX. After decades of not paying attention to politics and saying "they're both the same, man" GenXers were unsurprisingly vulnerable to propaganda, trolling, misinformation and lies. Now a bunch of them are Trumpsters.

r495, you kind of glossed over the post 9/11 era when everybody was pressured into submission by the Republicans for a terrorist attack they exploited to the fullest (maybe even deliberately caused to exploit it for their own gain). That left a mark on many people.

[quote] GenXers were unsurprisingly vulnerable to propaganda, trolling, misinformation and lies. Now a bunch of them are Trumpsters.

They have turned into a bunch of entitled cunts.

In this coming decade it's going to be very interesting to see how they interact with Millennials who eclipse them in numbers and have no interest in playing their ball game.

People who engage in inter-generational warfare are boring. You (and your generation, whatever your generation is) are not special.

People tend to get more conservative as they get older. It happened to Boomers, it may be happening to GenX, it'll happen to Millenials and it'll happen to Gen Z. This is all in aggregate, though. There are still plenty of Boomers who are liberal, and Gen X's too.

How about trying to join together with them, instead of demonizing whole generations of people for internet clout?

R493:

[quote]If you place the beginning of Gen X at 1961 like many people do, you're larger than Baby Boomers.

That's not Gen X, and not "many people" say otherwise. 1961 is still squarely within boomers. Or Generation Jones if you want to be kind.

Congrats on winning Nevada and the Senate, American Cousins!

I didn't gloss over anything, r496. If you have a point to make about GenX being brainwashed by Bush Jr. and his fake WMDs or whatever, then make it.

Older generations not approving of younger generations' way of tackling outdated status quos has been going on for eons.

Young Liberals turn into old Conservatives, because the power of progress is being handed to the next generation, and the older ones fight to regain control, not realizing they've become the enemy they fought in their youth.

R498 you're not wrong in the sense that all these generations share the characteristic that they don't starting voting in large numbers until they reach their 30s and get more conservative as they age. And Boomers and Gen X share the characteristic that even when young they were voting in larger numbers for the GOP than we are memory-holed into believing. (Nixon won the "youth vote" and Boomers broke for Reagan--TWICE.)

But Gen Z is definitely an outlier so far. They are voting in higher numbers for their age bracket than previous generations, and they are breaking much more heavily for Dems. Gen Z started voting at the same rate as Boomers were at in 1978 (about 30%), when the oldest Boomers were 30. Gen X and Millennials started out at a rate in the low 20s.

[quote] How about trying to join together with them, instead of demonizing whole generations of people for internet clout?

Baby Boomers and Gen X have had a grand old time shitting all over the youth for over a decade now. How ironic that now that they are being called out on their MAGAt voting qualities, generational generalizations are just too much to bear for them now!

Does this mean Big Nancy remains Speaker?

If you would stop and think instead of lashing out, R504, you'd realize you're doing quite a bit of generalizing yourself.

The GOPs toxic 10:

Moscow Mitch

Gym Jordan

Lauren Blowfart

Moron Traitor Greene

Matt Grates

Paul Gosar

Kevin McCarthy

Josh Hawley

Ron Johnson

Cancun Cruz

Always remember that these 10 traitors are still in Congress and people still voted for some of those bastards in the 2022 election. As long as people still vote for those vile scumbags, there is no hope for humanity or change.

R503 should say "when the oldest Boomers were 32."

Despite Tim Ryan's federal coattails helping Democratic House candidates, it was the opposite in the State legislature, where despite having to redraw the maps a dozen times Republicans were pulled threw by DeWine's strong showing. Supermajority in both chambers now official.

Democrats carried Latino men by just 8 points over Republicans, 53 percent to 45 percent, according to the national exit poll. The margin had been 29 points as recently as the 2018 midterms. Among Latinos overall, the Democratic advantage came in at 21 points, compared to 40 points in 2018. Democrats were, of course, buoyed by the overall midterm results. But the problem posed by an erosion of Latino support is not going away.

Kindly shut the fuck up about GenX being Trumpster. We aren't. It's the fucking location of the Gen X, Millennial or Boomer that creates the conservative or liberal. The older people get the more to the right they go. I used to be a real liberal and now I consider myself moderate because I can't stand the Trans everything or the defund the police mess that the progressive took to. There would be more democrats if they didn't fall off the left cliff with some of the progressive movements. The ones that should NOT be on the main platform.

I'm still kinda shocked that Peter Thiel could easily buy an American Senate seat and people were stupid enough to actually vote for someone like JD Vance. What a vile system were a billionaire can buy a Senate seat to further his own political agenda and voters don't give a fuck anymore and vote for a bought piece of shit candidate. Same happening in Georgia right now with Walker.

I’m Gen X and voted blue across the board when I was at Berkeley my first year when I was 18. I remember I had to wait in the longest line I’ve ever had to wait in to vote. Almost two hours. The campus was extremely motivated to vote. Anything to get Dukakis (one of the saddest candidates over ever seen) in and Bush out. And I’ve only become more liberal and progressive over the years. I’ve never voted for a Republican, ever, and I came from a conservative family in the OC.

Spare me that it’s Gen X’s fault. You can look to the Boomers and the total lack of motivation of the millennials for the current nightmare we’re experiencing.

R481, talk of Democratic agenda & Manchin & Sinema is so early ‘20s. Outside of confirming judges, a still-likely Republican House, not Manchin & Sinema, will be the foil to the legislative ambitions of Democrats.

[quote] I used to be a real liberal and now I consider myself moderate because I can't stand the Trans everything or the defund the police mess that the progressive took to. There would be more democrats if they didn't fall off the left cliff with some of the progressive movements.

You forgot to mention that you lost all confidence in the Dems after Hillary's bad handling of her emails.

[quote]Kindly shut the fuck up about GenX being Trumpster. We aren't. It's the fucking location of the Gen X, Millennial or Boomer that creates the conservative or liberal.

Weird that you don't have a link for that.

[quote]The older people get the more to the right they go.

Weird that you don't have a link for that, either.

We're talking about GenX and Boomer voting Repug on this thread, but you should know that GenX still voted either 50/50 R/D in the last few elections or slightly D. Boomers voted 50/50 or slightly R. Neither are fully Republican, but they both lean that way. The real indicator of D or R regardless of generation is race, not geographic location, not age, and I stand by my earlier assessment that white GenXers are moving rightward politically because they're inexperienced and vulnerable to fake news and propaganda.

[quote]I used to be a real liberal and now I consider myself moderate because I can't stand the Trans everything or the defund the police mess that the progressive took to.

How about YOU shut the fuck up, troll? Your English is sketchy and everything you said on here was a lie, worded in a way to get people to fight you. You're pulling the same troll shit you guys always do, pretending like the national Democratic Party did nothing but talk about defunding the police, which never happened.

r516. No, I voted for Hilary. I have never voted for a Republican ever. I am a democrat. But I'm troubled by the current messaging.

r517, you should shut the fuck up.

r517, I'm pretty shocked by the way you came at me, also the other poster. No I'm not the troll. I'm not trying to get people to fight me. I just spoke up as a GenXer, and need you trash Millennials to stop trying to force their logic on everyone. Stop taking some shit poll over what human beings say as gospel. I'm a real person not some stats you found. Talk to people not stats. That is what is wrong here.

R514 you sound interesting. What did you study at Berkley?

Will Nancy remain speaker?!

r518, oh, you are CONCERNED? How concerned are you? These are indeed such concerning times with that big red wave giving the Republicans a clear majority in House and Senate ... oh, wait.

[quote] Spare me that it’s Gen X’s fault. You can look to the Boomers and the total lack of motivation of the millennials for the current nightmare we’re experiencing.

That's your problem in a nutshell. You deflect blame by pointing fingers at baby boomers or Millennials. You refuse to take credit for all of the shittiness that your own generation is causing which right now is people like De Santis or the newest Supreme Court Justices. Spare me your constant deflections.

Can we move on from the GenX/Boomer debate? I'm really sick of reading about this when I just want to talk about the midterm results. You guys can easily start a new thread if you wanna continue your discussion about voter preferences. I think people here are more interested in midterm results and projections.

This thread just gets more and more pathetic. R522, stop fighting people on your side. You have lost it. Seriously, ya lost it.

You got an education at a good school like Berkeley and yet you think that your personal anecdotal experience overrides the actual statistics?

I will never understand how supposedly smart people on DL are absolutely O B S E S S E D with saying "this entire demographic behaves exactly the way I do, because I am a member of that demographic."

That's trolls for ya. Trying to derail a thread they don't like.

r524, you can learn to use the ignore function and take control of your own life instead of telling everyone else what to do.

Further, this thread is about to dry up anyway since we're closing in on 600 posts, so just wait 8 minutes or so until someone starts a Part 7.

This election is such a PLEASANT surprise!! This is a huge accomplishment for Democrats.

[Quote][R524], you can learn to use the ignore function and take control of your own life instead of telling everyone else what to do.

You're annoying everyone, but want US to shut up while you're continuously derailing the thread with your pointless debate? Fuck off, troll, go away and stopp derailing this thread already.

[quote] I will never understand how supposedly smart people on DL are absolutely O B S E S S E D with saying "this entire demographic behaves exactly the way I do, because I am a member of that demographic."

And I will never understand how DL is O B S E S S E D with blaming a generation that consistently has voted blue for elections that were lost by the younger generations NOT SHOWING UP AT ALL until finally they were scared enough. Imagine being so disconnected from reality.

[quote] stop fighting people on your side.

You wrote that at r512

[quote] I used to be a real liberal and now I consider myself moderate because I can't stand the Trans everything or the defund the police mess that the progressive took to.

You're far away from being a so-called moderate. You're a right wing nutjob, who whines about extremist leftist progressives and woke cancel culture being worse than Q-anon followers killing people. "Moderate", my ass.

[quote] And I will never understand how DL is O B S E S S E D with blaming a generation that consistently has voted blue for elections that were lost by the younger generations

Do you have actual proof for your generation consistently voting blue in federal elections or are you just talking out of your ass?

[quote]The repukes are going to be pissed they don't have their mega-majority. I think we can still look forward to a lot of sham investigations for the next two years.

Which will please their base but further alienate the independent voters who prevented the red wave this election.

Also, there will be a contingent of Republicans who are reading the tea leaves correctly and will push back against the Gym Jordan-Marjorie Taylor Greene-Matt Gaetz shenanigans. It's not going to be all sweetness and light in the Republican caucus.

The Georgia race is still very important to the Democrats because I am positive that Manchin and Sinema have use the "You know I could just switch parties giving the majority to the Republicans" threat a few times in the last two years. With a 51 vote majority that makes that threat pointless.

Notable that Jaime Herrera Beutler was primaried for impeaching Trump and then her district voted in a Dem. Herrera Beutler understood her electorate.

So now those in tight races are going to have to choose going with the MAGA crazy or risk being primaried.. So depressing.

The Republican infighting will intensify for the next two years, because Trump and his loyalists will not go down without a fight. No speaker or leader will be able to rein them in. I think at some point DeSantis will be physically attacked by a Q-Anon Deplorable at least once and that's when shit gets serious, but the Dems will have smooth sailing and be able to get their message out there with the right-wing being too busy to interfere because of their infighting.

So, here in PA, where the Pukes got their asses handed to them (strong Republican US Senate seat gone; losing the governor's race by running a religious fanatic with God complex issues; close to losing their majority in the state legislature), there is all kinds of remorse among Republican leaders. But their remorse is not about them trying to steal elections and abolish democracy, it's about them being caught doing so.

Republicans will never change their unpopular policies. They're just going to double down on their efforts to deceive/limit voters, gerrymander, and rule with an iron fist.

What is happening with the house races? Is it possible for dems to win a majority?

I think this is a loss for MAGA. It doesn't have the strong hold it did...a year to four years ago. Yes, there are still hardcord MAGAts, nothing can be done to change them...but I think repubs that want to move away from that will feel more comfortable in doing so.

[quote]Republicans will never change their unpopular policies. They're just going to double down on their efforts to deceive/limit voters, gerrymander, and rule with an iron fist.

How'd that work out for them this election?

[quote]Which will please their base but further alienate the independent voters who prevented the red wave this election.

At some point they have got to realize that "crazy" isn't working for them. There is in fact a limit to the bullshit people will listen to.

[quote]The Georgia race is still very important to the Democrats because I am positive that Manchin and Sinema have use the "You know I could just switch parties giving the majority to the Republicans" threat a few times in the last two years.

Machin has the whole, "you wouldn't have this seat without me," thing going.

However, they could openly threaten to primary Sinema if she doesn't fall in line and that has a slight chance of helping them.

Do you honestly think Republicans learn from their mistakes, R541? Really?

Just a reminder: 2/3 of Republicans STILL think the 2020 election was stolen from Trump.

Repugs must be furious that they passed all these voter restrictions in 2021 and people still showed up to vote, used early voting or mail in ballots. Also, the numbers from colleges were young people voted 90 percent dem must be terrifying for Repigs. But instead of changing their unpopular policies, I'm sure they just try to pass more voter restriction laws and intimidate minorities.

I can see repubs trying to do away with mail in ballots and early voting.

If Trump runs in 2024, Biden doesn't even have to campaign and he'll still get 100 million votes. It's obvious now Trump is done and even hardcore MAGA Republicans want to move on. I'm more terrified of DeSantis and his racism and authoritarian tendencies.

R542 Absolutely. Arizona voting for Biden, and for Mark Kelly twice (Kelly was a loyal Dem) proves that Sinema's strategy is electorally stupid. Manchin does have a genuine excuse because he is in a pretty red state. But Arizona is a purple state so you can be elected as a Dem so as long as you don't do the MAGA or The Squad stuff.

New thread up for Part 7.

R542 Sinema isn't running again, at least not as a Dem. Her numbers in AZ are in the toilet and she doesn't care. She's setting herself up for a cushy consulting or lobbying gig.

But I agree that if she suddenly decides she wants to stay in the Senate, she has no choice but to play ball and get her Dem approval numbers up. She couldn't win on a GOP or 3rd party ticket.

Ari spittin truth

Rumor had it a year or so ago that Sinema was actually deluded enough to think that her "centrism" was positioning her for a triumphant presidential campaign as a moderate who would appeal to the mainstream of the electorate. But I think she'd take a cushy lobbying job when reality sets in.

She's straight up fucking delusional if she doesn't know this clip playing on a loop during election season wouldn't kill any tiny vestige of a chance she'd have for a presidential nom, never mind win.

[quote]The Republican infighting will intensify for the next two years, because Trump and his loyalists will not go down without a fight. No speaker or leader will be able to rein them in.

Nope. This will all be over by next week. At the latest two weeks. WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE LEARN? Republicans do nothing except concentrate all of their time and energies coming/designing strategies to gain power and maintain it. There are no policies, because... THERE ARE NO POLICIES! This is why they do not know how to govern. Remember the Trump tax cuts? There was no policy or plan. Manuchin came up with the thing while having lunch and wrote it on a napkin. The "First Step" (or, whatever it was called) was already deep in the works and would have passed under Obama if he had more time. Republicans are told what to do by The Federalist Society for judges, The Heritage Foundation (they have a bad rep now), and The American Enterprise Institute (AEI). If policies do not come from any of these 3 sources the party has nothing. Therefore it spends its time strategizing and making sound bites for FOXNews and Rupert Murdoch. Oh! I should throw in the Koch brothers too.

So, what will happen is they will form a united front to aggressively retake power. You don't think that they haven't been on conference calls since probably Wednesday or Thursday discussing this?

You're talking about the GOP leaders, R553, and we're talking about the rabid base that they can't control right now without Trump.

[quote]You're talking about the GOP leaders, [R553], and we're talking about the rabid base that they can't control right now without Trump.

Fret not. They will get that base under control. You see... a major difference between Democrats and Republicans is that they KNOW the electorate is stupid and treats them as such. Now, this last voting cycle that just happened with all of these young and educated people coming out to vote has thrown them a bit of a curve. But, fear not... money is being collected right now to pay off some of these appropriate influencers, harsher voting restrictions will arise, etc. Do not worry! They got this. In the meantime... Democrats will sit silently and allow it all to happen.

R492 yes the Dems need a strategist, we need another Harry Reid. Not sure if Pete is that guy

Why do people keep going on about Buttigieg? I know that this is a gay forum so naturally there's bias for one of our own but Pete came fifth in the primary. Bloomberg beat him, Warren beat him. He just doesn't have 'that' charisma that Obama, Biden, Bill Clinton have.

I heard a clip with George Conway being interviewed. The subject was about all of the money used to buy off pollsters, push stories in the media, etc about the "RED TSUNAMI" lie. Conway feels that the Democrats might have had a hand in helping to spread this big lie. Well, if they did...

(CLAP!) (CLAP!) (CLAP!) (CLAP!) (CLAP!!!) [standing ovation!)

IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!! Democrats MUST start playing and beating Republicans at their own games!

R553 - “WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE LEARN? Republicans do nothing except concentrate all of their time and energies coming/designing strategies to gain power and maintain it.”…..

What? If this is the case R553, why did the Republicans get their asses handed to them this week? So much for their effective “strategies to gain power and maintain it”, huh?

NBC News projects: Yadira Caraveo (D) wins CO-8. Democrat gain.

R558 Yeah, the Dems bought off Trafalgar polling and Realclearpolitics. Sure buddy..

[quote]Do you honestly think Republicans learn from their mistakes, [R541]? Really?

Who cares if they learn from their mistakes? Let them keep doing the things that led to this week's historically bad results.

R555 you think they're going to get the base under control despite being forced to cater to it through 3 major election cycle losses? OK. Odd they didn't do it sooner.

Pete's skill is communication. He needs to be leading the messaging strategy. Not sure if he's a good strategist otherwise.

[quote] Fret not. They will get that base under control.

The Republican leaders have been trying to get their base back under control since 2016. From Mitch to Lindsay and beyond, they're cynics who lined up with Trump publicly to secure his voting base for their own purposes, and are privately seething that he keeps costing them what should be winnable elections. It's going to take them a little longer to get this base under control—maybe the base will just have to die off.

[quote]What? If this is the case [R553], why did the Republicans get their asses handed to them this week?

Ego and thinking that the "Red Tsunami" story was going to work. I mean Republicans can be wrong at times too. For example; The overturning of Roe might have been a bit too aggressive for the time and therefore it came back and bit them in the ass. But, they are not going to scrap that objective of banning all abortion nationwide just yet.

[quote]The overturning of Roe might have been a bit too aggressive for the time and therefore it came back and bit them in the ass. But, they are not going to scrap that objective of banning all abortion nationwide just yet.

A whole bunch of Republican lawmakers will not support a nationwide ban of abortion after this week. But you're right, the true believers aren't going to back down. Which means more infighting and distraction for the party.

r552, ugh, I can't believe I'd forgotten about that. Damn, she is awful.

Please take the intergenerational bitching somewhere else. It’s fucking tedious and it’s clogging the thread.

[quote]The Republican leaders have been trying to get their base back under control since 2016.

Oh, no they haven't. Those who have tried are gone ie John Boehner and Paul what's his face. Money rules the Republican party. Once SCOTUS allowed Citizens United the Republican party was sold to the highest bidders. This is why, as a minority group (gays), we should SPIT in the faces of gay people who align themselves with the Republican party. I'm still furious with those gays that hosted that dinner party for Ted Cruz! And, Cruz--true to nature, said whatever was needed to get that check while his fingers were crossed behind his back.

But, let me be clear here... I'm not saying that one must vote for a Democrat. To me, this is an issue about priorities and civil rights. Rights that too many people have fought and died for just to be given back to the elite minority.

Republicans did not win in the midterms and there was no red tsunami, but Roe is still dead and there is nothing Dems can do about abortion or voting rights in the foreseeable future.

Alito and Thomas will hopefully drop dead in the next 24 months.

[quote]Roe is still dead and there is nothing Dems can do about abortion or voting rights in the foreseeable future.

Michigan, Kansas and Kentucky beg to differ.

Sam Bankman-Fried’s fall cuts off big source of funds for US Democrats

Did we ever figure out what Thomas had that landed him in the hospital for a week? That’s a long time to be hospitalized these days.

[quote]Republicans did not win in the midterms and there was no red tsunami, but Roe is still dead and there is nothing Dems can do about abortion or voting rights in the foreseeable future.

Oh, but no! I ain't goin' out like that. The pressure will have to come from the people. It will be through constant protests, voting, social media, etc

[Quote]Michigan, Kansas and Kentucky beg to differ.

Yes, but it does not help women in Texas, Louisiana or any other red Republican hell holes.

Kansas and Kentucky are Republican hell holes, and they managed it.

[quote]The inflation aftereffects of Biden's covid bill are going to be with us for a while.

Inflation was spurred by the Federal Reserve's policy of QE -the injection of massive liquidity in the system - when COVID started and that happened under Trump. When long-term interest rates started creeping up in 2020, the Fed was still QE'-ing. They were already behind the curve when they started raising rates, and they're still hiking aggressively. There's a real danger of overshooting and pushing the economy into recession. Layoffs are already happening in Big Tech which is the last domino to fall from the tech valuation bubble in the last decade. Watch out for other sectors to start laying people off.

Analysts expect recession in 2023 to last for years, with the potential to be quite destructive (watch out for your bank accounts). Biden and the Dems will have a tough slog in 2024 if Trump isn't on the GOP ticket.

*tenting my hands like C. Monty Burns*

[quote][R555] you think they're going to get the base under control despite being forced to cater to it through 3 major election cycle losses? OK. Odd they didn't do it sooner.

They won't, judging by the circular firing squad that's been ginned up on Twitter this morning. MAGA Twitter wants you to know that the fault of this lies with Ronna Romney, McCarthy, and McConnell, instead of all the Trump-y candidates who lost, and mostly decisively.

The one thing that held the GOP together, as least as far back as Gingrich if not before, was their complete ability to march lockstep, even in the face of things that were broadly unpopular. That advantage appears to be gone.

The bottom line is the republicans will have to face the hard truth. Trump is the biggest loser and he is dragging them down. They need to cut him lose. And when they do he will wreck havoc and destroy them all. I'm so happy it's happening to them.

^ Yep. There's a reason every Never-Trumper Republican who still wanted to win an election 2016 bent the knee to Trump. Almost all the ones who didn't/wouldn't left or were primaried out.

McConnell is in a super-safe district and may retire soon anyway, so he doesn't care other than ending his career as minority instead of majority leader. But the GOP leaders who do care are in a serious bind. WA03 is the reddest of red flags, and they have less than 2 years to convince the nutters that the nutters made a big mistake. Good luck.

R578, can you cite your sources?

McConnell is elected by the whole state, not by a district.

^ Well, yes. I was thinking in terms of voting district. And KY is one big GOP safe district.

[quote]I would like to see the Dems retain the House, if for nothing else, because of the psychological blow that it would deal Republicans.

Retaining control of the House would allow them to keep Marjorie Green off any committees, as she currently is.

[quote]Dems need savvy strategists....who work for the overall party. A sort of Nancy Pelosi to guide them thru the crazy twists and and turns of Repub minefields. Combined with a great (forceful)communicator to speak for the party, this would be invaluable.

I think they should hire Claire McCaskill for this strategist role. Her talents are being wasted on MSNBC.

[quote]I think they should hire Claire McCaskill for this strategist role. Her talents are being wasted on MSNBC.

I think she needs to run for office again.

[quote]Dems need savvy strategists

They have savvy strategists. The just have a difficult job because it's a complicated caucus made up of different people with similar yet different needs. You can't put a one size fits all message on Democrats because of the ethnic, geographic, educational, and socioeconomic diversity of the party. We are not the republican party, a party of white people who just want white stuff.

Claire McCaskill bashed progressives and lost to dumbfuck Hawley in a midterm year when Democrats were otherwise very successful. She's no strategist.

R578 still waiting for your sources… hoping to see them before the thread closes. I haven’t seen any indication that economists are predicting a recession like you described. There was a pretty significant market correction that many saw coming that occurred this year.

Don't millinrnials statistically have lower turn out than any other generation?

Take the generational crap to some other thread—and leave it out of the next thread. We're here to talk about the election. I love how practically every time I check the news the Dems have picked up another House or Senate seat, or defeated some election-denier for state attorney general or something.

On the flip side, if we're going to be forced witnesses trapped in an autism loop, it makes a change from Hillary won the popular vote.

R572 And CA... the "put abortion rights in the state constitution" initiative passed by more than 2/3. This is the current safeguard: states get to decide. And given the current congress, national legislation to outlaw abortion in all states WILL NOT pass. Elections have results. This is not good for women in red states, but it is where we are until the SC changes.

The generational ack ack that happened earlier in this thread is why we can't have anything nice.

R592, short answer: no. If you track by actual age as opposed to using rates in a given year, they all start low and rise comparably upon hitting their 30s. Again, the outlier is Gen Z, who started out voting in higher rates and so far are keeping those numbers up.

Now as R593 said, let's give this a rest.

The best possible thing would be for Alito and Thomas to die today.

Is stoking generational wars the new "crime in big Blue cities" or "boys in girls' sports" kind of crap?

Part 7 below.

"Is stoking generational wars the new "crime in big Blue cities" or "boys in girls' sports" kind of crap?"

According to Defucktardo and other anti-trans trolls on DL, the greatest threat to the United States is MTF trannies going into women's locker rooms at gyms and waving their 10 inch cocks in front of innocent, unsuspecting women and girls.

[quote]McConnell is in a super-safe district

He's Senator. his "district" is the state of Kentucky. 🙄