Shirley MacLaine's Daughter Pans Her Performance as Mom

Would she rather have had Joan Crawford or Lana Turner for a mother?

These are the choices?

To my daughter, I leave... nothing.

For reasons that are well known to her.

It TWIRLED up!

She seems very believable in her delivery and her manner. So I think she's likely reliable.

Unfortunately, there's the character aspect of all this. Any sane person would know that writing a book like this would kill forever an important relationship. We only get one mom.

So why do it? Financial desperation would be the only excuse I can think of. If you want "catharsis" try private conversations with your mom or pay for therapy.

Sachi PLEASE - PLEASE Sachi!

Sachi is not one of her FAAAAAAANS

I remember reading about Shirley's lack of mothering skills at least 30 years ago. Is anyone surprised? She seems like a total narcissist.

This book and story are years old. Somebody on DL copied chapters of the book here. Maybe this is why the thread is no longer available.

Shirley is a horrible mother and an insufferable person. Not even a witty amusing cunt. Just a CUNT. Team Sachi.

Shirley really wants her creme bruleee, though. Sachi, wasn't there where the Olympics were once held?

She didn’t give her any money? I’d write a fucking book, too.

As if we needed another reason not to procreate. Children are so cute when they babies. Then, after you raise the little fuckers and do your best to instill values, they grow up and turn on you.

I guess that Sachi can forget about any sweet charity.

“GIVE MY DAUGHTER THE SHOT!!!!!!!”

I had no idea about this. Why have a child if you don't want to spend time with them?

What a bitchy title.

There's always the next life.

We did this in great length a few years ago after the book came out - it was one of my favorite threads of all time. Us gays love nutty women.

Is this the daughter the William Peter Blatty based Regan on?

R18 Was this the one?

R18 Or this?

R18 Or was it this one?

It's such a shame. Such an unnecessary problem that could have had a more final resolution many years ago.

Perhaps Shirley's home didn't have a basement?

The one @ r22 , R22.

I might read it again later.

I loved it. It went on for weeks.

from the thread @ r22

still makes me laugh:

"The OP picture is very odd. They are both so orange - their skin and hair and even their teeth."

R12, I don't think that all parents have to worry about this happening. But this is what happens when a person doesn't genuinely want to raise a child but reproduces anyway because they want a mini-me for cute photo ops. (The Hollywood tabloids would have been Shirley's equivalent of today's social media.). And this is what happens when the parent gets bored after the cute baby grows into a small person with its own personality, and the parent is just too busy to meet the responsibility he or she signed up for when he/she brought the child into the world. A parent can have a career and love life, but they still need to make their kids feel loved, and it looks like this didn't happen with Shirley and her kid.

And it would really hurt if your shitty mother was rewarded for playing the world's best mom in a popular movie. You would watch the movie and say, "why couldn't she have been that way with me in real life?"

I also wonder about the parents who created both Shirley and her disgusting brother Warren.

Anyway she wrote the book and disappeared off the radar completely.

She was never really ON the radar

Her husband was the CEO of a successful company. They were likely financially comfortable. She wrote the book two years after her divorce. I wonder if Shirley has a relationship with her two grandchildren.

There's a clip of Shirley on Larry King. He asks her about her daughter's book and she claims it's all lies.

[quote]I wonder if Shirley has a relationship with her two grandchildren.

i'm SURE she does.

[quote]Her husband was the CEO of a successful company. They were likely financially comfortable.

Not half as 'comfortable" as she'll be when Shirley dies and leaves her her fortune.

You know in France it's illegal to write your children out of your will. Not that they're in France, but still.

SHITELY MacLaine

R31, in lots of relationships with a narc parent, the parent gives up on their kid but tries to lovebomb the grandkids and then turn them against their own parents. They don't grow out of their narc ways with age.

I wonder what Shirley's will is going to say. Imagine if she leaves money to her grandkids, skipping over her daughter completely, and then leaves the rest to charity.

[quote]in lots of relationships with a narc parent, the parent gives up on their kid but tries to lovebomb the grandkids and then turn them against their own parents.

I see what you mean.

The book was too much! The stories of her wickedness. Little things. Here's two (of many) that I remember.

Sachi was driving to see her mom thru a snow storm. The kids were starving so she phoned Shirley to say they were going to stop at a diner. Shirley said just get here and we'll eat when you arrive. Sachi arrives and there was absolutely no food in the house.

She was late to Sachi's wedding which she'd said she'd pay for but was late with the check - so she turns up, grand entrance, flapping the check around for everyone to see.

[quote]And it would really hurt if your shitty mother was rewarded for playing the world's best mom in a popular movie.

Another memory from the book.

Sachi who wasn't making the cut as an actress got a job as an airline stewardess and they had a Shirley MacLaine movie on constant rotation on her flights, for weeks! back in the days when they had big screens on the planes.

Nobody cares what little whiney crys about. How distaseful to air dirty laundry. Sounds like shirley was right and poor little baby ( who grew up having the best of everything) is a thankless c##t

No one is remotely interested in the opinion of someone who cannot correctly spell a word as simple as "cries."

R38 = Sybil's mother

[quote]But this is what happens when a person doesn't genuinely want to raise a child but reproduces anyway because they want a mini-me for cute photo ops

Exactly, r26

There's that story of Lerner & Loewe playing songs from "My Fair Lady" for Mary Martin when she was being wooed to play Eliza, where it was reported back to L&L that she had said "Those two boys have lost their talent!". Not true, of course, and they laughed about it after their show was a smash. However, it might be true about Shirley "lost her talent" after her non-performance in "Downton Abbey"; maybe she just was in it for creme brulee money, as she otherwise didn't seem to care what she doing.

From Sachi's book...

On Shirley's belief in aliens:

[quote]“When we got back to the house, Mom pointed to the balcony. ‘See up there? That’s where I met them.’

[quote]‘Met who?”

[quote] ‘The extraterrestrials. They landed over here on the sand, and then they came up on the porch, and we talked.’” On her mom’s belief that her father had been cloned and was sometimes there and sometimes “Paul”

[quote] “‘Paul is my real father? How come I’ve never heard of him? Where is he?’

[quote] ‘Right now, he’s in outer space.’ Mom said this with disarming matter-of-factnes and a quiet sense of pride. ‘He’s in outer space?’ Mom made an equivocating gesture. ‘He’s on a mission for the government.’

[quote]‘A mission? What kind of mission?’

[quote] She gave me a patient smile. ‘A secret mission, sweetheart. All I know is, he’s in the Pleiades.’”

On Shirley's insistence that the government was a very real Big Brother:

[quote] “Mom fixed me with a benevolently patronizing look. ‘Sachi, you’re very young, and you’re very naïve… The government does all kinds of crazy things. Do you realize they have surveillance satellites up there in space that can listen in on any conversation we have earth?’”

On discovering she had a different blood type than both her parents:

[quote] “…how could I be A positive? It wasn’t scientifically possible. I knew damn well Mom was my real mother — there was no escaping that — but was Dad my real father?….I do look like Dad…but I think I also bear a resemblance to, say, Yves Montand (or, for that matter, Alfred Hitchcock).”

So basically, Sachi isn't even Steve Parker's daughter and Shirley conned HIM into babysitting her all those years. Who's the bigger con artist?

I read this memoir, it is no Mommy Dearest. Mom was very, very busy being a movie star and susceptible to grifts. Dad was a grifter and a pervert. Sashi wanted to do the acting thing, Mom actively sabotaged this. Sashi married well and wanted a blow out wedding but Mom did not want to pay for the wedding, another form of sabotage.

[quote]Sashi wanted to do the acting thing, Mom actively sabotaged this.

R44 Yeah, apparently Sachi inherited the family acting talent but Shirley was afraid she would steal the spotlight.

Bottom line as someone who read the book - Sachi came across as a very nice gurl. I think she hung around Shirley for much too long in life, which I think is an aspect of having an unloving mother, you keep trying to win their love and approval until one day...something happens and you crack.

But at the same time, as fun as they are to read, expose books are in effect assassinations (of character). They're very vindictive.

I know someone who wrote one about her mother who wasn't even famous and it became an NY Times BestSeller. It was really shocking in a way. And the mother killed herself, maybe 10 years later...but still. I don't think I'd want to know that gurl again. (Not that I didn't really "enjoy" the book). A lot of people thought the mother deserved what she got. Interesting, she was the sort of woman who would have loved a NY times bestseller daughter and even to be the subject of a book. That would have been her wet dream, except in came in a vindictive form.

I’m trying to find the Chuck Mangione song that has Shirley MacLaine rapping. Can’t remember what album it was on…

r47...

Was Uncle Warren a good uncle?

Warren, MIA. Not good, not bad just not there.

I read the book and it was insane how Shirley treated her daughter. It also made me think that Shirl is a closeted lesbian. Leaving the daughter with the pig father though....that was disgusting.

Wasn’t she raised by her father in Japan? I think he had business there. Shirley even took on a TV series set there. Remember Shirley’s World?

Raised in Japan by creepy dad and his mistress who openly despised her. Toxic. Mom had no complaints because being a movie star takes up a lot of energy and time

Yes I do, r52.

[R26], your reply made perfect sense. Thanks.

What is p26 babbling about? What does that have to do with the topic?

Oops I meant p42

MacLaine has long been fascinated by Japan and it’s ancient culture. Her daughter even has a Japanese name. It translates as “ungrateful.”

Shirley MacLaine, Shirley Temple, Shirley Booth, Shirley Knight, Shirley Jones, Shirley Valentine, and Shirley Feeney.

Yeah, yeah, r58. Shirley's Japanese...

You left out Leslie Nielsen, r59.

Our song "Turning Japanese" was written with Shirley in mind.

So why didn't Shirley do The Exorcist if it was based on her? (plus the topic seems like something that would interest her.) Did she have a fall out with Blatty?

(I saw Friedkin discuss the casting and he never mentioned Shirl. Said Audrey Hepburn would have done it if they shot in Europe and Jane Fonda told him why would I participate in captialistic probaganda like that. He said years later she was baffled why she said that when he asked her, as was he at the time.)

Sachi does resemble Yves Montand...

R59 You forgot one.

r65 see r61

Trailer from a web series from 5 years ago. Sachi has grown up to look a lot like…Stella Stevens!

I think she looks more like her mom these days (five years ago).

Well found, R67!

Oh, r48, how awful. Giving Ethel Merman’s Disco LP a run for its money in terms of craptacular-ness.

I got Sachi’s memoir on my Kindle. Shirley and her husband Steve were odious parents…

Weird to think that Sachi is now older than Shirl was in Steel Magnolias and Postcards From The Edge. Which means I’m old.

Fuck you, Sachi!

Sachi was also a bum magnet when it came to men.

Didn't she marry very well?

You can only assume that since she wrote the book after the divorce she needed the money. I don't think boredom or resentment would be enough reason for most financially comfortable people to write a book that would alienate a family member forever.

Gurl, puhlaize!

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"none of it was true!"

LOL

What a louse...she couldn't answer "what's your most cherished memory?". LMAO. Hey Shirley, you had a kid.

^ she's not going to say Sachi - especially now - not that she would have anyway.

^ for reasons that are well known to her.

I can’t believe that Shirley allowed herself to be conned all of those years by her husband. Man, did he take her for a ride.

he served a purpose

all of those self-obsessed reincarnation books she wrote in the seventies, can you imagine what a weird and fucked up mom she would be?

[quote]all of those self-obsessed reincarnation books she wrote in the seventies

I thought they were rather good

[quote]can you imagine what a weird and fucked up mom she would be?

I think we've already got a handle on that.

My favorite line from that interview is where she says (with a straight face) that the one thing she'd do to help the world is ask for help from "some well-meaning extraterrestrial".

Sachi comes across as surprisingly well balanced for someone whose parents spent most of her life playing head games with her. I’m enjoying the book. I even stopped reading Queen of the Cays so I can read this.

Some women just shouldn’t have children. They obviously can’t handle it.

[quote]I’m enjoying the book.

It's great, isn't it? She's naturally funny. Thank God for her, otherwise God knows how she would have survived.