3 People Dead in Murder-Suicide after Snow Removal Dispute in Pennsylvania, Part 7

please some kind souls start with an actual list of the various artefacts that exist on the net re each of the three people involved. I've already gotten it that Goys seem like monstrous trashy idiots, and Spaide was a real quiet, very closed kind of person. Also the odd crmminess of Goy's side of street compared with Spaide's.

This has become like the alaMO

Except that there IS no basement.

OMG - I can’t believe that we are already on Part 7.

Listen, it's not as bad as those lunatics who have been discussing Lysol and toilet paper shortages since last March - over 6,000 posts about that in 11 just months.

Totally agree R1. I joined that FB page yesterday, saw the sister’s posts today, and then *poof.* We need archivist!

What I’m still wondering about is how the heck the Goys got permission to rip out their front lawn and put concrete down. If I recall my earlier Google Earth search, they did it somewhere between 2014 - 2016. Jeff purchased his house in 2015.

I know it’s not an HOA, but aren’t there permitting laws which prevent someone from ripping out their tiny ghetto front lawn and then going full ghetto with a parking pad?

Damn! I go away for a few hours and THIS happens! Is the sister still posting? I love you guys, lol!

If the Goys had been Schwartzes he could have just stood his ground, shot them and let Hannity pay for his lawyer.

Was Jeff Spaide gay? Who was Mr Fister? What happened to Alan, the Dallas A-Gay?

The mystery now is was Spaide's coworker who posted about him a troublemaker or was Spaide troubled? If the coworker was driving way too fast and the woman in the passenger seat asked him to slow down and he wouldn't maybe he deserved a punch in the head.

I just came in to say I hope there is a part 8, this is riveting!

Damn OP, no poll about Jeff being gay? I vote yes.

Can someone do a recap of this case? I watched the original video and kept up with the original thread for awhile but how the hell did has the discussion continued for 6 threads?

Someone needs to post the video of the shootings and all relevant information, the pics of Jeff from the article, the updates regarding his sister, Philip, etc....come on people!!

What if Jeff had been Mr. Fister? Did anybody search for Alan's remains in his neatly kept basement? Maybe he realized that they Goys had connected the dots and that's the real reason...

R13 It's worth it, trust me. It seems daunting at first but every 100 posts something new would be discovered. We put in the work, all you have to do is read. Some of it is serious, some of it is funny/punchy, and there are all sides taken into consideration. The journey is part of the destination and all that.

R9- I can answer your Mr. Foster question, he remains an unknown hero. He single-handedly ( see what I did there?) performed first aid on Chris whilst his fist was still in fun mode. 🤜🤜🤜 His identify has never been revealed.

Mr Fister, not Foster, lol! R17

🤜 🤜 🤜 🌺

That fat Karen bit it pretty hard, demanding to speak to a manager even after being shot in the face. I bet she was asking for it her whole stupid life.

The Mister Fister threads were gold. They were also an example of what happens when people don't keep continuation thread titles named with...continuity. Some wise ass suddenly decides at what would be Part 4 for example, to totally change the title. It made it hard to follow. Also, often the same wise ass would generally forget to link to the prior thread.

Which reminds me. Shout out to the various OPs of these threads for keeping this untidy little gem of a story so very tidy thread-wise

ANYWAY...for those who don't know about the Chris Burrous saga and Mister Fister. Google Chris Burrous and Datalounge and....um...enjoy!

[quote] If the coworker was driving way too fast and the woman in the passenger seat asked him to slow down and he wouldn't maybe he deserved a punch in the head.

You don't punch someone in the head who's operating 2,000+ pounds of metal on a highway, supposedly speeding. I'm sympathetic to Spaide, but let's not get crazy.

I wonder if Jeff has a massage table and DJ lighting rig for sale too?

Gif for this crime

So a question for all you legal experts out there. Who do the tenants of these houses all pay rent to now that the Goys are gone? Sounds like it could be a mess.

Too bad Jeffrey didn't get a security camera of his own and record every little trashy thing the Goys did to make their lives uncomfortable.

R24 OMG!

What I found so funny is that over on the Facebook group, people were commenting on how Lisa Goy looked like such a sweet, friendly lady. I can tell she was a cunt and an ultimate Karen just by looking at her! Am I alone?

Not just you R28.

^Rent will have to go to the grandparents in trust for the son, assuming the properties were owned by the parents. If the rent was owed to a family-held corporation, the g-parents will have to go through the rigamarole of setting up an estate and a trust. That will all have to be done anyway, so they can sue Spaide's estate for every penny it has, which is a foregone conclusion...

^And let's face it, it's highly likely the two parents have other kids, from other relationships, who would also likely inherit from their parents, either by operation of law (where no wills were created), or through the provisions of their wills. If the son really was autistic, it seems more likely that there would be a will already, but who knows?

The real messiness will come when the family starts fighting tooth and nail over Instant Pots and [italic]Roseanne[/italic] box sets.

Would any of that depend on whether or not the Goys home was owned outright, R30? If Jeff had a mortgage or little equity in his house then I guess the Goys' wouldn't get much.

Looks can be deceiving, but video proves who she was.

^That's correct, the lender has to be paid off first what remains due on the mortgage, and the house would more than likely be foreclosed, and then sold by the bank. That's a matter of PA law and I'm not familiar with the details of estate and foreclosure law there, but that's generally what would happen.

The Goys OUGHT to have had life insurance, and I guess that could help paying off their own mortgage. It's likely to be complicated and difficult.

Was Frau Goy having sex with Rob Boranski or whatever his name is?

Honestly, R37, who would want to have sex with her? Her gross husband was probably thankful he was too fat!

One of the locals on that facebook group knew 'Bobo' Baranski personally, and declared that he was reputed to be a "lady's man" cop (whatever that may mean). The commenter ALSO knew that Bobo was a "morning cop" and would have been on duty at that time, a fact obvs. well-known to Ms. Goy.

[quote] Craig Ivey, the tantric sex practitioner, said: 'I will not respond to anything about this,' while the other man, Justin Tway, said: 'I have no interest in talking about anything to do with that woman. Everything with her comes to no good.'

Tway is the gym manager.

R39 I bet he was hitting those beef curtains

R40, you've stumbled from the Marjorie Taylor Greene thread into the Lisa Goy thread. It's understandable how anyone could make such an easy mistake.

I think this has been discussed to death already.

Sorry, I lost my direction, R42.

Move it along, toots, R43!

Jimmmmmaaaaay!!!!!

What I love about this after 3050 posts is that my first instincts were right.

I have so much to catch up on, namely The Sister.

So who's all leaving digital flowers on Jeff's page? He has several now.

I am certain The Sister wants to talk. And I'm certain she will do it, given enough time, and an assurance that the Goy klan won't come after her if she spills the tea.

The sister’s passive diatribe confuses me. She seems to be confirming that Spaide was gay and had serious mental health issues while also insulting his co-worker and asking if they were lovers?

Chiiile:

[quote]Thank you Dylan for joining the group and shedding light on my brother, Jeff with his underlying, undiagnosed mental disorders. I am now wondering if my brother, Jeff was a pathological liar in addition to everything else that is documented on the internet. I am Sharon, his sister. The underlying mentaL illness/ disorder must run in my family because I was under the impression that you were fired from DEP. Your linked in account has you leaving DEP in 2016 the same year as my brother.

[quote] Dylan Evans EIT did you engage in a homosexual relationship with my brother, get in a lovers quarrel, a fist fight occurred on the turnpike, and my brother was fired. Dylan are you a homosexual like my brother and could not live without Jeff? Is that why you left DEP in 2016 and moved all the way to Denver?

[quote] Or Dylan was it you was the driving the car and you are the co-worker who was fired ? My brother, Jeff told me that you were driving the car on the turnpike at a high rate of speed, you both were fired, and the third person involved was a woman pleading with you to slow down. Maybe the co-worker who my brother sucker punched can come forward and clarify the situation. This co-worker who was sucked punched never pressed charges or contacted the PA licensing board for disciplinary action against my brother, I wonder why that is. Possibly another homosexual lover of my brother. How many times were you written up by my brother, Jeff Spaide your direct supervisor while working at DEP? You got the position straight out of college based on being friends with the manager’s daughter, who resigned shortly after you were hired. Could the non issues you document on FB be that Jeff, your supervisor wrote you up for your tardiness, having your feet up on the desk watching you tube videos , insubordination and disrespect , no work ethic, taking two hour lunches ? As per our conversations the more write ups he gave you the more the behavior increased. It was my understanding that all Jeff could do was write you up, you were in the union and HR procedures were conducted in Harrisburg. I am not going to tell you what my brother told me about you as an engineer but I see that almost ten years later, you still do not possess your state PE license and remain an EIT. Jeff with all his underlying mental issues was able to complete the PE license in less than 5 years. Carry on with your facebook psychoanalysis of my brother, maybe a career as a psychologist is your true calling. I do hope the person who was sucker punched by my brother can come forward to clarify this situation.

Spaide was unlikely gay if this is his Adult Friend Finder ad that he created a week before the murders. His birth date is only a month off...not uncommon for people posting sex ads...so I've heard.

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I think she was confirming that Jeff was gay and trying to insult that Dylan person at the same time, R51.

R53 Jesus.

[quote] Who do the tenants of these houses all pay rent to now that the Goys are gone?

R25 - The Goy’s Estate, where it will be held until probate is settled.

R52, wouldn't someone change their birthdate by a few years as opposed to a month, R52? Changing it by a month makes no sense.

Sister Spaide

She called him out on some bullshit, R58. Good for her.

"Dylan Evans EIT..." That woman is ICE COLD. My husband is a mechanical engineer, around Jeff's age and still an EIT, not a PE. It grinds him, for sure. That lady don't play.

Explain, R60, please?

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Wow. Moobs for days.

I've missed the past couple parts. Is that really Jeff at R53? When was his picture found?

After you graduate, you take a state test to become "an engineer in training." Then you have to work (I think in a more "managerial position") for five years and be under a "professional engineer's" tutelage for some time to move up to be a "PE", or professional engineer. My husband has changed jobs and, honestly, didn't have the drive to do it, but it's a pride thing. It's a big deal and she knew how to hit Dylan where it hurts.

Ah, thanks, R64. If the sister is correct and Dylan had a poor work ethic and was reprimanded by Jeff, then obviously he'd hold a grudge.

Is she really confirming that Jeff was gay, or was she just being sarcastic about the theories floating around that he was closeted? her use of the word "homosexual" seems to indicate the latter.

Re R53 - that guy aged a LOT in just about 4 years. He looks about 15 years older than he does in that Lackawanna board meeting photo.

I agree, R66, she is being sarcastic throughout.

R67, I think it's a particularly unflattering photo. Very few runners have nice, photogenic faces in the middle of a race.

It wafted through here earlier today that Spaide had been told he had cancer sometime recently before the altercation. It wasn't substantiated, but it was something that had reportedly come from a police source, I recall.

R64, here's where she addresses Dylan as EIT

R63 Yes that is Jeff.

A number of us searched through photos of Jeff's marathon runs. He appears across a number of years.

And the way she was able to talk about Jeff's profession and work history? Let's just say the Goy family would be punching way above their weight against a battle of wits against the Spaides. It feels like a Harvard vs. Romper Room situation.

How many dicks wilted?

I'd have loved to see Lisa Goy get into it with Sister Spaide, R75!

R77- Everyone should give Mrs. Gypsy Goy a break. She was born in a wagon on a traveling show. Her mama had to dance for the money they'd throw. Her poppa would do whatever he could. Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of Dr. Good.

The sisters repetitive use of “my brother Jeff” and “homosexual relationship” is odd. I think I believe it because of her animosity towards Dylan. But then it makes no sense the way or why Dylan started the issue of implying Jeff had a temper as if it was second hand news. While its tempting to pat ourselves on the back for DL sleuthing, I’m not fully convinced yet.

R47 Or 3650?

R58- What mental illness is she talking about? As far as Jeff hitting the driver who was speeding, so what? This happened to me once when the person was driving dangerously. I was hitting the back sit yelling at the SOB to slow down before he killed us. When he stopped at a light , I slapped the back of his head because he put us in great danger. It is a gut reaction to some idiot endangering your life. We where very young and he was showing off. I do not see that as a fitif temper. He was probably frightened and anger at being endangered. IDK .

R81 It must have been a “gut reaction” to riddle two assholes in the street with bullets before blowing his own brains out, too.

Some of you have become insufferable and irrational regarding this man.

r52 Note that while he lists his orientation as straight, and that he is seeking women, he is also seeking couples noted as (man/woman) on the screen. So....as I mentioned in the last thread, maybe he wanted to meet some normal aka not insane people to have for friends, or he was a bit of a swinger.

R53 He could well have been on antidepressants which are notorious for causing weight gain.

r81, I think she's being sarcastic and hyperbolic, since many of the comments online have theorized that Jeff may have been suffering from an metal illness (PTSD is one I've seen a lot of). So she's like, "Yeah Jeff was a homosexual, he was sleeping with every guy in Wilkes-Barre! He had all the mental illnesses, don't you know!"

What time will Sharon be joining us on the thread for her DLers' Q & A session about Jeff?

So who is this Dylan guy and why did Jeff’s (alleged) sister Sharon go off on him in that FB group? What did he say that set her off like that?

That's not his profile, it's a pure guess. Besides when people like about their date of birth on apps, it's usually several years not one month.

We saw (I think) a recent pic of him. Maybe he was self aware enough to realize he couldn't shave off even a couple of years.

Dylan was a former co-worker of Jeff's, R86 and basically went to that Facebook group to gossip and tell half-truths (according to Jeff's sister, who seemed to have a lot of inside information herself) about Jeff and his career.

Does anyone have a link to the interview with the cop about the leaked video?

[quote]Dylan was a former co-worker of Jeff's, R86 and basically went to that Facebook group to gossip and tell half-truths

As opposed to all the gossip, half-truths and made-up shit on seven DL threads, and counting.

Gossiping on an anonymous message board is one thing, R91, being a former co-worker who held a grudge and going to a public Facebook group to air grievances is another.

Find a Grave flowers received to date:

Jeff - 9

Scummy Fuckers - 0

Get out, R93!!

R47 or 3650?

So after seeing these threads on DL all last week when I spoke to my parents in PA on Sunday I mentioned this and they had no idea what I was talking about, and they are hardcore news junkies.

We forget to link the video in this thread!

R93 It's good to see Jeff receive the recognition he deserves.

We don't know that Dylan lied, we only know that Sharon was mad and yelled at him about EVERYTHING, including about people wanting photos of Jeffrey and calling Jeffrey closeted. Dylan said nothing about either of those two things. She also started out asking if Dylan was the guy who was driving, then later said he was, but she obviously didn't really know.

You can leave all the roses and plant all the memorial trees you want, it's not normal or right or good to punch a guy in the head while he's driving down the highway, or to murder a couple of people who mouthed off at you and were "trashy."

[quote] You can leave all the roses and plant all the memorial trees you want, it's not normal or right or good to punch a guy in the head while he's driving down the highway, or to murder a couple of people who mouthed off at you and were "trashy."

Preach.

I she was trying to get him to admit that he was the one driving and speeding since he was also fired, R99, which he failed to mention in his posts.

[quote]It's good to see Jeff receive the recognition he deserves

Oh, don't you worry about that. He's getting lots of recognition these days.

This newscaster says "Wilkes Berry". This is what will stay with me - the bizarre pronunciation.

It's just too hard to sympathize with the bullies who started the fight - though America really needs to do something about every Tom Dick & Harry owning a fucking AR-15.

*Forgot link

It's been pronounced "Wilkes-Berry" on tv all my life, never heard it said any other way...

Pennsylvania is very strange that way, you should hear how they pronounce Juanita and Versailles. But most people outside the state pronounce Reading and Lancaster wrong.

[quote]I guess the Goys' wouldn't get much.

Oh, dear!

Lisa and James Goy had fat asses but they couldn't live forever.

[quote] So a question for all you legal experts out there. Who do the tenants of these houses all pay rent to now that the Goys are gone? Sounds like it could be a mess.

It’s free. When your landlord is a total POS and then Karma takes them out, that’s the world’s way of saying thank you, and paying you back for putting up with those fuck’n cunts. Enjoy your rent free living.

I have watched this video over a dozen times and this exchange always make me laugh. Not proud of it, but it does. Goes to prove, Jeff had their number. Poor guy just wanted to live in peace and he happened to run across these evil bitches who lived to make others miserable.

Lisa Goy : “You’re the fucking scumbag. You don’t fucking bother with nobody ”

Jeff Spaide: “That’s because you’re fucking scum”.

Mrs. Goy looks great draped in yellow.

It’s her color!

Nah, I disagree, r111.

She looks much better in the blue from r24’s gif.

I haven't seen this noted on any of the threads, I don't think, but as a person who lives where it snows, WHY were any of them out there shoveling in the first place? It was obviously not done snowing yet as shown in all of the subsequent coverage. There is no point in shoveling your driveway until the snow has stopped; you just end up having to go over the same ground.

Just more evidence that all three of them were idiots as well as white trash.

Just shut up, R113.

R113, FEET of snow were predicted. You can either do it relatively easily a few times during the day or once which will be a Herculean effort without tools other than a snow shovel.

I’m the type that likes to do it once and be done no matter the difficultly. Others in my family prefer to do it several times so as not to get such a heavy task.

Meh.

R112, your post doesn’t make sense in respect to the image you linked

R116, at r24 is a gif, not a steady picture.

The third or fourth picture in is a picture of the street and they are covering her using a blue tarp. Presumably the ME was examining the body because they’re holding up the tarp to prevent pics and onlookers seeing.

Got it! R117

lol....He said Versales

The media reported this as Philadelphia. They’re not too bright.

What's your problem, R114? All I said was that it is stupid to shovel snow before it has stopped, and it is. It takes a lot more time to go over the same ground multiple times. R115, you are obviously smarter than the rest of your family!

R121, elders go out an shovel a bit at a time. I can understand that.

No, elders hire people to shovel for them. Once. When it is done.

Not some of the feisty ones, R123. My neighbour is in his 80s and insists on doing it himself, unless there's a huge blizzard.

And you'll find him face down dead in a snow drift some day as well. Heart attack or slipping and breaking a hip, take your choice. Unless he is as mouthy and low class as the Goys in which case I take it you have your firearms loaded and ready to go.

Are you his daughter, R125? He's very nice, just very independent.

They should have hired the teen boys -- Gary? Jimmy? -- to shovel for them. Crisis averted. Too bad the Goys were cheapskates.

What kind of teen boys are named Gary and Jimmy these days? Shouldn't they be Jaxcion, Tielar and Cenadie?

[quote] What kind of teen boys are named Gary and Jimmy these days?

Well one of them is named Jimmmmmaaaaay!

Are we sure one of the boys is Jimmmmmmmaaaaaay? What if someone was calling out for James Goy?

[quote]I have watched this video over a dozen times

You sound deeply disturbed.

Why would you say that about him, r131?

This is like a modern day Zapruder film. With sound!

And cursing. And snow.

And Jimmmaaaaaayyy.

And instead of the babushka lady,R132, we have Jimmmmaaaaay!

And instead of Umbrella Man, r134, we have Gary.

So did the whole Philip thing end up being a dead end?

I think Sharon knew Jeff was gay (Many gays come out to sisters before full family) AND was Mr. Fister as in the act of FF. She wanted to know if Ryan was into FF with him. In the news article picture of Jeff with glasses, he looks like a guy I've seen cruising at Crew Club in DC. Any other DMV sightings?

Was a picture of Jeff ever uncovered?

Yes. And likely his Adult Friend Finder profile. How many 47 year old men in Wilkes Barre would identify so much as being an engineer that it would be their sex profile nickname?

0h look, the smartest one in the room has arrived at R131.

Go fuck yourself.

R131, you’ve posted at least 11 times on these threads.

You must be deeply disturbed.

R131, you had posted at least 14 times on the Naya Rivera threads.

You must be deeply disturbed.

BLOCKED FUCKTARD

Good thing neither of you have AR-15s.

R142 keeps a tally on how many times one posts on a thread, but calls others disturbed??

My mistake. R131 has posted at least 19 times on these threads.

R121 You insulted it by calling Mr. Spaide trash.

I think we have a few Mr. Spaide types on this thread...

R147= fucking scum

R148 Take your pills, dear.

Only because the asshole came here with an idiotic rebuke, R144?

Do you have an issue with that? If so, why?

I finished my cake and Valentine's Day card just in time, I think Jeffrey was a punctual guy and would have appreciated it.

Which design did you choose, R151?

Let me get in on this re R131. You know what YOU sound like don't you? Every time you open your mouth!

Waiting for an answer R144, or are you going the passive aggressive route?

r152 It's a monkey with a big banana and says "I'm Bananas For You, Be My Valentine!"

I was going to have it say "Don't go bananas, be my valentine!" but I thought it might be in poor taste.

will there be residual psychic energy of Lisa Goy's "you fuckerrrrr!" in the street where she died?

Will all of their wills be made public?

I like Jeff more now that we know his sister is a badass.

In memory of the Goys, they will be putting in a speed bump in front of the house. Each time you drive over the bump, it will trigger a audio memory in there honor. Lisa Goy's "you fuckerrrrr!

No, it's "You fuuuucckkkaaher you"

[quote] Lisa Goy's "you fuckerrrrr!"

Famous last words. This really should be engraved on her tombstone.

if people were bitchy and vindictive enough they should isolate the "you fucckkkker you" audio and spam the surviving Goys' phone numbers with it. (I like dark humour, sue me - lol)

R155, how are you going to get it to him?

This topic has more unnecessary sequels than the Halloween franchise.

[quote] it will trigger a audio memory in there honor.

Oh, dear!

R149, I don’t think you got his joke.

[quote] Will all of their wills be made public?

No, only their wonts.

Won’t shovel snow onto neighbor’s property;

Won’t call neighbor with a gun a pussy, then run and scream like a pussy myself when he shoots me;

Won’t be a Karen to a neighbor with a gun to my head, (aka I’ll keep my fucking mouth shut).

Oh FANK you, Mr. Spaide for killing my trashy parents.

^AND for leaving me ALL your stuff !!

^^INCLUDING all those neato GUNS!!

^^ Which I'll probably use on my schoolmates one day!!

R130: yes, I’ve wondered that too. James Sr and Margaret Goy own 23 and 29 W. Bergh St which are 3 and 4 house structures west of James Jr and Lisa’s 13/15 W Bergh St duplex ghetto structure. As far as I can tell, James Sr and Margaret Goy are still alive and in their 60/70s.

However, the plaintive cry of Jimmmiiiieee doesn’t sound like it’s coming from 3 or 4 houses down. Perhaps Margaret Goy was visiting? It sure sounds like it’s coming from the 13/15 house.

I’m sure we will find out in short order.

[quote] Jimmmiiiieee

Oh, dear!

[quote] Was a picture of Jeff ever uncovered?

Nope. Never. Not even one.

Nuh uh

And don’t read the thread to find them all, because, you know, they won’t be there.

But if it came from the 13/15 house, the person still could have been calling for James Goy. Remember the trashy looking neighbour who they interviewed? She said the Goys were like family.

R176 meant for R173.

Its sad, Spaide was Catholic and now will have to spend eternity in hell, while the Goys will likely be in heaven.

Don't ignorant Protestant fucks like you r178 even bother to understand Catholic theology and traditions?

Spaide will get a pass into Heaven for taking out the trash.

[quote] Lisa Goy's "you fuckerrrrr!" Famous last words.

And Spaide’s “Shoulda kept your fucking mouth shut” as he fired the final shot to her head.

How long does the post mortem reports take to be released?

[quote]Lisa Goy's "you fuckerrrrr!" Famous last words.

Weren't her last words about calling Baranski?

R183 Have you not read the extensively rewritten transcript in part 2?

I want to hear more from Gary, preferably without a mask.

Pussy, huh?

Wait, who had a cat?

Can someone please copy the transcript and paste it in this thread?

The Goys are definitely not in heaven. You have to have a good soul for that to happen.

Mr. Spaide sure as hell isn’t either.

That Goy woman screeching “You FUCKERRRR!” lying on the street after being shot several times is amazing, as is Spaide walking up to her saying “Shoulda kept your fucking mouth SHUT” before finishing her off.

R191, why waste time praying when you can insult your enemy one last time?

Is it just me or did the Frau Goy look way older than her age?

I couldn't bear to watch the footage again but listening to the audio was less confronting - and also very illuminating. Spaide's homicidal frenzy was indefensible. Yes, the Goys verbal provocation was obnoxious and in-your-face but they weren't physically threatening Spaide, just annoying him. Spaide's cold-blooded assassination of these two stupid people was nothing less than psychotic. Anyone trying to justify it needs psychological help, just like Spaide himself. He was a sick fuck.

His actions that day were [italic]cold[/italic] - and it was a "pussy" move.

R194 - LOL. get off your moral high horse.

R194 - Actually, the Goys WERE physically threatening Spaide - they threw objects at him and then threatened to “make his life Hell”.

I wonder what the Goys had planned for Valentine's Day.

An Arby’s night.

[quote] Yes, the Goys verbal provocation was obnoxious and in-your-face but they weren't physically threatening Spaide,

Apparently you haven’t been following the case.

I’m confused, is there a full video of the entire scene still available online?

I wish that woman wouldn't have taken down the Facebook group. I think Jeff's sister would have dished some more on Jeff, the coworker and maybe even the Goys.

R194 Karma called, and Jeff came through with the answer. As R180 so eloquently stated, by taking out the trash.

And the Goys don't know what day it is.

They don't know who Faye Dunaway was, or what praying is.

Per request, the transcript compliments of Ginny.

Updated transcript, pt. 1, with your revisions from yesterday:

JS: Scummy motherfuckers. Jesus Christ.

JG: Who?

LG: Who? You?

JG: Who? Me?

JS: Yeah.

LG: You?

JG: Put the shovel back.

LG: You know what?

JS: What?

JG: Go ahead, motherfucker.

LG: Lookit, you know what? This is bullshit. We have been…

JS: [inaudible]

JG: You wanna call me a scummy motherfucker, I’ll knock your goddamn head off your [inaudible].

JS: Motherfucker.

JG: You go fuck yourself, you fucking queer.

JG: Call me a scummy motherfucker. Step out here, I’ll knock your ass out.

JS: Motherfucker.

JG: Fuck you!

JS: Fuck you, you fucking scum.

JG: I’ll make your life a living hell living here, dickhead.

JS: What?

JG: You heard me.

JS: Fuck you, you fucking scum.

JG: You would probably like that.

LG: You’re the fucking scumbag. You don’t fucking bother with nobody.

JG: [inaudible] He’s got a hunting knife. ([R303]) He’s got a hunting knife and he’s a fucking scum.

JG: You’re a pussy.

JS: Fuck you.

JG: Pussy, pussy, pussy.

JG: Put the gun down.

JG: Put the gun down.

LG: Go ‘head. Go ‘head. Go ‘head.

(Shooting starts)

LG: [inauble] …can see you.

JG: Aoooggghhhh.

LG: Aaaagh, you fucker, you.

JG: Call the cops. Aaaaghhhh. He shot me, aaaaagh. He shot me.

LG: You fucker, you.

Neighbor: Oh my god. Oh my god, [inauble, sounds like “Charlotte”]

JG: [rhonchi noises in the foreground]

LG: Oh my god.

This is reaching operatic proportions and should be an opera! Imagine the stage setting white and snowy and then running blood red after the shootings. A tenor, a baritone and a soprano all wailing and singing their hearts out with 12 minute arias death scenes. If they can turn Death of Klinghoffer and Jerry Springer into operas, they can surly do this too.

Fuck YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU; fuuuuuck youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

A great operatic song.

R206 Don’t worry, it sounds way better in Italian.

JG: Put the gun down.

JG: Put the gun down.

LG: Go ‘head. Go ‘head. Go ‘head.

I missed this part of the interaction when I first read it. So Jiiimmay did make an effort to deescalate once he saw the gun (which he earlier mistook for a hunting knife?), but the wife is still going at it like a pitbull with its jaw clamped around something.

I wonder how well this characterizes how they interact with the world? They both grumble about perceived mistreatment but she takes it to the hilt as an instigator. Their restaurant disputes (throwing dishes, claiming to be shortchanged, James explaining to the new embarrassed tenant that they don't go out much because of poor service as Lisa's off bitching to a manager) and tenant issues (a couple of them said they couldn't wait for their leases to expire).

A dysfunctional couple dynamic. An us against the world perspective with Lisa continuing the charge as things get heated. Real deplorables with manufactured grievances against the world that give them permission ( in their minds) to lash out and act like utter assholes. Especially against the libruls, minorities cuz they get "special treatment," and those who have more education, money, and stuff.

[quote] So Jiiimmay did make an effort to deescalate once he saw the gun

Blasphemy!

That is NOT our Jimmmmmaaaaay.

In the opera Lisa’s name will be Karen. Not to hide the identity of the real person, just an artistic choice to drive the nature of the character home.

We need to have a moment of silence: You know, Ginny in Bookkeeping killed herself after heroically finishing that last transcription on this. It was pointed out someplace up above, right after she handed it in. She just couldn't take all the pressure anymore. RIP.

All of their funerals were shorter than a single DL thread on this subject.

R200: The Tarantino theatrical version with silent snow falling at the end is at YouTube channel Active Self Protection. Under “A Terribly Disturbing Ego Battle.” Since Active Self Protection is an education channel which tells us when to whip out our guns, YouTube hadn’t delete it.

You’re the fucking scumbag. You don’t fucking bother with nobody.

So, was she saying he was a jerk because he didn't socialize with neighbors?

This never would have happened if they lived in a warm climate.

What she said is literally violence towards introverts.

R204 That transcript leaves out the very important "call Baranski"

So who said it? To me it sounds like LG.

[quote] You know, Ginny in Bookkeeping killed herself

Ginny was in BILLING!

Margaret Goy died in early 2020. James Goy's sister also died in 2020.

James Goy Sr lost his wife, his daughter and his son within a year.

So is it that Lisa wanted Christine Baranski to play her in the movie of the week?

Thank you R218. So mother Margaret Goy from a few houses west of James Jr and Lisa’s 13/15 W Bergh ghetto house is deceased. Thus, it is not her plaintively crying Jimmieeeeaaaaay. So who did it? A mother of the unnamed teen or someone familiar with James Jr?

Autistic or not, you know that son had a horrible childhood from the time he was aware of his parents. My mom came to pick me up from a school event at night with curlers in her hair (she stayed in the car!) and I was embarrassed by her for years. This kid was banned from dining establishments, hated by the neighborhood, and known by "Brian Baranski" because his parents were such loudmouth troublemakers. They had no friends as evidenced by the fact that not one person who knew them had a kind word to say about them, even after death--- when even the biggest assholes seem to be lionized by the people who knew them. The one family member, who lived in France (which is telling in itself) said they didn't deserve to die like cattle. She had to qualify that it was the cattle part that got to her.

R217 Has Ginny died too or gone on to a better place...HR?

I wondered if it was the Goys tenant, but it seemed to me that the voice was coming from the other direction, R220, especially since the boys seemed to run towards it. I could be wrong though.

Every time I see that transcript, I wonder what the fuck "ronchi noises" are.

I think that was our medical correspondent chiming in with that technical term.

R224 Rhonchi is a medical term for ‘noisy breathing.’

As in he was breathing his own blood and fluids that made breathing labored, difficult and bubbly.

Shut him the fuck up though, didn’t it?

He wasn’t shouting “pussy!” anymore.

He most certainly wasn't.

I wonder how long jail time Jeff would have got, with a skillful lawyer, if he hadn't of killed himself?

[quote] if he hadn't of killed himself?

Oh fucking dear!

^^A VERY long time. And Junior probably would have been waiting for him when he got out, to mow him down with his own gun. Temporary Insanity would not have worked here, I'm afraid.

20 years + R231?

The court system likely would have given him the maximum allowable under the laws of PA (for murdering 2 people in cold blood), which I know nothing about. It was a very heinous thing to do, although taking a look at the 10 minutes of film that we haven't seen could have an impact on what would have happened in court. The backstory might have gotten him a LITTLE leniency, but I doubt it would have had much impact.

[This is what I'm doing on Valentine's Day night....]

Murder – 18 Pa.C.S.A. §2502

A Criminal Homicide constitutes a first degree murder when it is willfully or deliberately committed. Upon conviction, an individual shall be sentenced to death by lethal injection or to a term of life imprisonment.

WELL HELLO, MY NAME IS GYPSY AND I AM A CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL TRANSCRIPTIONIST!! IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU FUCKERS??

1. I ALREADY TOLD YOU FUCKERS MY NAME AIN'T GINNY. THAT DIRTY BITCH WENT OUT IN A BLAZE OF FUCKING GLORY AFTER THE FIBRO FLARE FROM HELL. GINNY DID BILLING SHIT THAT YOUR AVERAGE RED-ASSED BABOON COULD HANDLE. I AM EDUCATED! I GRADUATED WITH A FUCKING CERTIFICATE AND I WORKED MY ASS OFF FOR THAT SHIT, SO DON'T YOU FUCKING DISRESPECT ME BY CALLING ME FUCKING GINNY!! GOT IT???

2. THE TRANSCRIPTION AIN'T COMPLETE BECAUSE ONCE THAT "GINNAAAAAAAY! GINNAAAAAAAAAY!" HOLLERING FROM DOWN THE BLOCK STARTED, I SHUT DOWN. MY EARS ARE MY FUCKING LIVELIHOOD AND I GOTTA PROTECT THEM AT ALL COSTS — NO Q-TIPS; NO PIERCINGS; NO LOUD NOISES; NO CANDLING; AND ABOVE ALL ELSE, NO TRYING TO MAKE OUT MUFFLED BACKGROUND TALK WHILE SOMEBITCH IS SCREAMING FOR GINNY! IF ONE OF YOU FUCKERS WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE WANTS TO FINISH THE TRANSCRIPT UNPROFESSIONALLY, WELL SMELL YOU! KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT! BUT AS FOR ME, NAH. THE CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL TRANSCRIPTIONISTS' UNION WILL BACK ME. FUCK YOU!!!

3. RHONCHI, ALSO KNOWN AS FUCKING "SONOROUS FUCKING WHEEZES" TO STUCK-UP FUCKERS WHO THINK THEY'RE TOO GOOD TO BOTHER WITH NOBODY, IS WHAT YOU FUCKERS ARE HEARING UNDER THE DEPARTING GENTLEMAN'S AGONAL RESPIRATIONS. THAT AIN'T CHEYNE-STOKES! FUCK!!! THAT SHIT IS THE SOUND OF AN OBSTRUCTED MAJOR AIRWAY — USUALLY BY MUCOUS SHIT POURING OUT OF GOBLET CELLS, BUT SOMETIMES BY BLOOD, AND OCCASIONALLY BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. DO THE MATH, FUCKERS!

FUCK! I JUST WROTE FUCKING BOOK FOR YOU FUCKERS, AND I DON'T EVEN READ FUCKING BOOKS. I'M MORE OF WHAT YOU'D CALL A COMMONSENSE KINDA GAL. FUCK YOU!!

Actual DLers - is r235 worth reading? The caps scream Lisa Goy acolytes

Yes, R236.

Or meth. There's always that.

[Quote]This kid was banned from dining establishments, hated by the neighborhood, and known by "Brian Baranski" because his parents were such loudmouth troublemakers

Are you talking about the Goy's 15 year old autistic son? This is the first I've read of it on these threads. Was this in the deleted FB thread or Reddit?

Sort of, R239. A former tenant of the Goys said on the now deleted Facebook group that the couple had been banned from local restaurants for trying to scam servers, making scenes, etc..

Toxicology reports of all three.

Needed.

Find out how this surveillance video made it online.

Who's camera recorded this crime?

Whose camera, dammit.

It was the Goys’.

R234, Don't you have to prove that the murder was premeditated to get a murder in the 1st degree? And I don't just mean going back to get the shot gun, that's someone still in a fit of rage. Someone who plans days ahead or hours before the incident shows thoughtful careful planning, that's premeditated right?

[quote]Someone who plans days ahead or hours before the incident shows thoughtful careful planning, that's premeditated right?

It has nothing to do with time or thoughtful, careful planning. It can happen in seconds. All it takes is the time to form an intent to kill and then act on it after having had a moment in which to reconsider.

He had ample opportunity to change his mind in the time it took to walk up the driveway, go into the house, retrieve the handgun, then walk back down the driveway. But he didn’t do that. Why? Because his intent was to shoot and kill them and he had already decided that he was going to follow through on it.

If the next question is, “But maybe he didn’t want to kill them. Maybe he just wanted to shoot the ground next to them and scare them.” No. Watch him moving the handgun around trying to bypass Lisa Goy’s arm when she was on the ground with her hand up in a defensive posture. He did that because he was trying to get a clean shot to her head.

Then, when the handgun didn’t get the job done, he repeated the whole process of up the driveway, into the house, back down the driveway, only this time with a semi-automatic rifle — because his intent was to finish them off.

If all of that doesn’t satisfy the requirement of intent and premeditation, what would?

R240 - So it was the Goys banned for their bad behavior not that the son had acted out. I had read the tenant's report about a scene they made claiming the waitress was stealing their change

I can't imagine what it must have been like for an autistic child growing uo with such belligerent parents. The have difficulty processing loud sensory information like screaming and can become easily overwhelmed. And the parents were modeling the worst behavior possible for a teen who has trouble reading social cues and behaving appropriately ib social settings.

I dont know R245, I would l like to know what a person with a law background thinks of this. Your argument makes sense but there are lots of grey lines there. He clearly didn't wake up that morning and say "hey today I am going to kill off my neighbors and the commit suicide" It's an argument that got out of control. Even trying to finish them off he's still in a fit of rage.

Premeditated means time enough to form the conscious intent to kill and then act on it after enough time for a reasonable person to second guess the decision. Premeditation must occur before, and not at the same time as the act of killing. So just because Lisa Goy was raising her hand, that's not time enough time for him to to form a second guess, his anger is clouding his ability to think about the consequences in that moment.

Additionally, he didn't shoot himself in the head right after that. He went back into his house, was scene pacing back and fourth which implies he was just then processing what he did and what the consequences might be. Only after the police arrived did they hear a gun shot.

If only the Goys watched more YT videos

If only the Goys watched more ice hockey matches =

This one with the hockey sticks is pretty close to some snow shovels =

A real two-on-one ice fight =

A good case can be made that if he had lived and been brought to trial, the prosecution could have gone for first degree murder. His defense attorneys best chance to get him off from that would have been to bring up what horrible people the Goys were in hopes of either a reduced conviction for manslaughter or a not guilty verdict on the basis of justifiable homicide.

R254 Thank you Perry Mason.

^There are always "grey lines" in all these aspects of criminal law cases. It's hard to say what would have happened to Spaide in the criminal justice system, but I don't think anybody would have been feeling sorry for him, if that's what some of you seem to be expecting. I DO feel sorry for him, in a way, but just shooting 2 people to death because they're acting like assholes is EXACTLY the kind of behavior that the criminal law is designed to discourage.

You don’t need a LexisNexis account to read up on precedent-setting cases involving the how little time it takes for intent to be formed. It’s probably a good idea the clear that up before delving into what constitutes heat of passion.

Here’s a hint: cases abound in which a defendant is found to have formed intent and acted with malice aforethought in the heat of a physical or verbal altercation — no time to walk up and down driveways and think things over. They are in an argument/fight one second; pull out a weapon the next; have committed first-degree murder the third.

State v. Schrader, W.Va., 302 S.E.2d 70 (1982) is a good place to start re: timing. I can’t link because I’m quoting from LexisNexis, but I’m sure it’s all online somewhere. From the judge’s charge to the jury:

[quote]I would advise you that to constitute a willful, deliberate and premeditated killing, it is not necessary that the intention to kill should exist for any set length of time prior to the actual killing; it is only necessary that such intention should have come into existence for the first time at the time of such killing, or at any time previously.

Are y'all retarded 😳 or OCD?

"For premeditated and deliberate murder, the prosecutor must prove that the defendant intended to kill another person, and that before this occurred, he or she had time to consider the wrongfulness of the act. Premeditation and deliberation can happen in just a few seconds."

For the full article, see the link below.

What WAS on the Goy’s Youtube feed?

R269 What? The Goy’s had a YouTube feed. What on earth could they possibly have to share that was even remotely worthwhile

Ooops, that was supposed to be R260. Damn, fat fingers.

[quote] Premeditated means time enough to form the conscious intent to kill and then act on it after enough time for a reasonable person to second guess the decision. Premeditation must occur before, and not at the same time as the act of killing. So just because Lisa Goy was raising her hand, that's not time enough time for him to to form a second guess, his anger is clouding his ability to think about the consequences in that moment.

Under the law, it can take one second for something to be deemed premeditated. He was looking at the death penalty and would have probably gotten it. His life was over.

Didn’t Spaide get fired for assaulting an employee?

Don't bother reading all the threads. They're full of DL speculation and "revelations" of small, irrelevant facts from mining social media comments. Here's the recap:

The Gays of Datalounge made up this elaborate scenario of Jeff Spaide being a hot fit intellectual closeted gay with an immaculate home and impeccable morals, who had to kill the Goys because they were evil grasping Trumpster homophobes who waged psychological warfare against him for years, including throwing piss on his property along with the snow, and who belonged to a biker gang that was responsible for multiple murders, and were trying to steal his home from him because it was on a hill which they could use to survey their real estate empire.

Instead it was a bunch of schlubby GenX assholes who were too stupid to deescalate a petty and pointless beef with each other over snow.

The end.

R265 The three of them were obviously mentally ill, with one of them being physically violent and murderous to boot!

[quote] Don't bother reading all the threads. They're full of DL speculation

On a gossip board?! Well I never in all my life.

[quote]and "revelations" of small, irrelevant [bold]facts[/bold] from mining social media comments.

Oh, well we can’t have facts springing up their ugly heads into this, can we?

My take on premeditation. Yes, the laws say that you can form intent (premeditation) in a few seconds. But it's the jury you have to convince. Maybe not that easy to convince 12 people that homicide was premeditated.

A more obvious form of premeditation would be poisoning someone. The killer does research about lethal substances. He buys the lethal substance. He slips the poison into someone's drink or food, etc. All of that takes place over at least a couple of days. Easier for a jury to buy that the killing was premeditated.

There's also something called the "extreme mental or emotional disturbance" defense. EMED for short. It comes from the Model Penal Code, which some states have adopted as their law. Not sure about PA.

I'm not saying that EMED applies here, but if Spaide had survived, his attorneys would probably be asserting this defense.

A good defence lawyer would have arguements that we've never even thought about brought up.

Jeff could have returned to the home to defend himself after Pa Goy assaulted him with the snow shovel and threatened to make Jeff's life 'a living hell living here" as a defensive tool. That Jeff killed them due to diminished responsibility, suffering from the Goys persistent dehumanising abuse.

All sorts of defences spring to mind. It doesn't really matter that we don't buy any of them. We're not 12 good men and true, sat in a courtroom, listening to evidence and skilled lawyers arguing the case.

R269 How would those defenses have held up once it was brought up that Mr. Spaide also physically assaulted a former co-worker/employee and was terminated for doing so?

R270, there's something called Rule (of evidence) 404(b) that limits evidence of "prior bad acts."

Let's say Spaide didn't carry through with shooting the Goys. What charges could they have been up against if Jeffrey had decided to call the police on them? Could their own video surveillance be used against them?

R272 Chiiile...

At this rate, the ongoing threads about this threesome will chronologically outlive these three idiots.

[quote] after [bold]Pa Goy[/bold] assaulted him

That’s it!

We’ve got

Frau Goy and

Pa Goy!

It's been 15 days now and still no obituary for either Goy. I realize that the family may not want comments, but comment sections are easily shut down or not available in the first place.

R272- Premeditated murder, I would think. Because he went inside, retrieved another weapon and shot them again. Kill shots.

Unlawful killing whilst his mind was unbalanced.

Manslaughter tops.

Reread my post at R272, R277.

One aspect of this incident that hasn't been brought up or examined/explored is that it appears Spaide fired Warning Shots prior to actually turning the gun on the scummy neighbors.

I know some commentators made a number of snide remarks about how Jeffrey Spaide was a "lousy shot" or "didn't know how to use a gun", but it really looks like he fired off a few warning rounds to intimidate/scare off the the Goys. Problem is, it didn't work. Even in the face of someone unloading a weapon 6 feet away from them, the Goys just kept up their belligerent taunts and didn't have the presence of mind to GTFO of there.

They were bullies, R280. Bullies aren't used to anyone standing up to them.

God this story feels so nostalgic. It happened around the same time as that “guy rides a London bus and live feeds it” thread, even though it turned out he wasn’t really live streaming.

Remember those days? Sigh.

Link R282

[quote]it was a bunch of schlubby GenX assholes who were too stupid to deescalate a petty and pointless beef with each other over snow. The end.

Wow are you really that much of a simpleton? You have no understanding of context do you? No one thinks that fight was about snow. The props, the setting are not the MOTIVE of the murders.

What's the story about the MOTIVE now R284?

ZOOOOOM! Wow that went right over your head R285.

Lets say a guy owns a liquor store. He also is in debt to a Mafia. He can't pay. They send someone in to take him out. A guy enters the store, puts a soda on counter and then blows the guys head off and takes off running with the soda, that's all you see on camera. By you logic, all we know is the guy wanted a soda end of story. That's not how murders are investigated, they need to know THE MOTIVE not just the result. It starts with speculation which eventually leads to facts. That's was people are doing here, speculation. There's nothing wrong with it. It's first step in finding the true motive. You're simplistic "people shot over snow, end of story" highlights your ignorance and inability to see past the surface of a tragic event.

The Goys campaign of hate against Jeff is sure to figure in future legal moves.

[quote]A guy enters the store, puts a soda on counter and then blows the guys head off and takes off running with the soda,

It ain’t gonna be no soda. If my guy didn’t come out with a case of good vino after da job he gonna be next.

R288- Bada- bing.

So where is the DA at with this case ATM?

Didn't they close it, R290?

Couldn't there be a wrongful death civil suit against Spaide by the Goy family, especially the guardian of the autistic son (did they have other children?)

I assume it would be a civil suit - but maybe in criminal court? Don't know how those things are handled - but didn't O J Simpson lose such a suit after being acquitted of murder in criminal court?

Yes, a civil suit, not criminal since the perpetrator is dead.

Yes, OJ lost a civil suit when a jury found him liable for Nicole and Ron’s deaths.

Crazy that not one person came out to speak positively about the Goys.

If they do, and they win, R292, I'd imagine that the Goy's son would have more money coming to him from Jeffrey's estate than his parents.

That boy could get the nicer house across the street with the dedicated parking space! Not to mention his loud-mouth parents off his back.

[Quote]I assume it would be a civil suit - but maybe in criminal court?

God, I hope you're not American. Why would anyone assume that civil litigations take place in criminal courts? Why?

I doubt the neighbours would be happy about that, R2926!

There are two parts:

1. a wrongful death claim that will allow the son to be compensated for the loss of his parents

2. a survival action — the decedents’ cause of action, which survives their death — that covers punitive damages as well as pain and suffering.

Since it was an intentional act, they’re going to be limited to Spaide’s estate.

[quote] as well as pain and suffering.

What about DL’s pain and suffering from having to hear Frau Goy’s screeching?

Class action lawsuit against the Goy's estate, R300?

That’s what I’m thinking!

Dibbs on the security cameras, R302!

Oh, no fight here. You can have those.

I’ll take the hard drive all of the videos were uploaded to.

(Tee hee)

As long as you post them here, R304.

If there is a civil case and the police didn't do an in-depth investigation (because it was a cut and dry case), would the plaintiffs be responsible for hiring investigators?

Maybe then Jeffrey's estates lawyers could get their hands on other videos from the Goys surveillance cameras, R306?

The tribute wall on Jeffrey's obit page is up again.

To what end, R306/R307? The standard of proof is very low. There is no “beyond a reasonable doubt” in a civil case. It’s “preponderance of the evidence” and occasionally the elevated standard of “clear and convincing evidence,” but the latter wouldn’t apply here.

In other words, the only determination to be made is whether or not the evidence presented is strong enough to show that the deaths were caused by the defendant’s actions.

The Court of DL has some very strange ideas, seemingly borne of the vigilante fantasies of bullied children, about how degrees of murder are classified.

There is no such thing as open season on asshole neighbors. You do not have the right to shoot them when they call you mean names; when they shovel snow into your yard; not even when they’ve carried on a campaign of harassment. That’s why we have a judicial system.

Jeffery didn't have a right to just kill his neighbors, no matter how despicable they may have been.

R308 from the obit:

[quote] nephews, Derek, Bryonna, Che, Erycea and Jayden.

wtf kind of names are these? Erycea? Che? JAYDEN???

I know, I could totally see Ecru, but what the hell is Erycea?

[quote]wtf kind of names are these? Erycea? Che? JAYDEN???

I initially read Bryonna as Bayonna, as in Bayonne, N,].,, and thought, "That has to be a first."

I have no idea what these people look like, those following this who would play them in a movie of the week?

A fattened-up Richard Quest as Jeffrey Spaide

Brent Terhune as James Goy

Matt Lucas as Lisa Goy (after they try and fail to get Melissa Leo)

Bruce Vilanch as Lisa Goy.

[quot]Jeffery didn't have a right to just kill his neighbors, no matter how despicable they may have been.

No one is arguing that. However, no one on the block is sad that he did it either.

He took out the MAGA trash. A true patriot!

[quote]You do not have the right to shoot them when they call you mean names; when they shovel snow into your yard; not even when they’ve carried on a campaign of harassment. That’s why we have a judicial system.

Stop cherry picking facts you bitter cunt. They threatened him with violence, not just words. The police report says Mr. Goy went over to him and raised his fist to his face. It's not like the movies, you can kill someone with a fist to the face. Stop with the "be a man" BS.

Imaging if he was a woman who had someone raise a fist to her, women would be justifying it all over social media. Even if she had served in the military and was trained to use a gun.

[quote]If they do, and they win, [R292], I'd imagine that the Goy's son would have more money coming to him from Jeffrey's estate than his parents

Not necessarily. Spaide just bought that house 5 years ago. There is probably very little equity in it, and it's not like a rich neighborhood. I don't think his job was more than average pay. He could have been living pay check to pay check for all we know.

Plus, if he had any brains at all, which it looks like he did, he would have put his money in a trust for his nephew that he liked so much. That's untouchable by most types of lawsuits, it's not technically his money at that point.

Let us know when you get your oh-so-innocent client acquitted, you ignorant cunt. Your hero didn't simply hit them with the shovel in the heat of the moment. There was a bit more to it than that, but you already know that.

[quote] You do not have the right to shoot them when they call you mean names; when they shovel snow into your yard; not even when they’ve carried on a campaign of harassment.

You forget that Pa Goy assaulted Jeff with a snow clearer. Causing Jeff pain. It was Pa Goy that escalated things. Then he threatened Jeff by telling him he was going to make his life a living hell. At that point Jeff was in fear for his life. Jeff had been on the receiving end of a campaign of hate by the Goys. He knew that the Goys were intent on turning their verbal assaults into physical ones. Jeff returned to the house to reasonably protect himself, on his own property, from an imminent attack by Pa Goy. Pa & Ma Goys' persistent and violent disorder is what Jeff responded to to protect himself and his property from.

MARY! You and R319 really should study the hierarchy of degrees instead of embarrassing yourself by flaunting your lack of legal knowledge here.

Better yet, keep trying your case here; it's entertaining. Now tell us why, in this state of abject terror and fear for his life, the reasonable and prudent action to take was leaving the safety of his house, where he could have just called 911, to go back outside armed (twice!) and face an "imminent attack. Think hard.

I won't comment again. I'll just read. Go!

Jeff was in immediate fear for his life. Shelter was not an option for Jeff. Phone records will show that Jeff's phone was out of action following sabotage, which is suspected to be at the hands of the Goys.

So, we have the gentiles in this story, who are the Jews?

Jimmmmyyyyy of course!

Was Jeff “in immediate fear for his life” when he assaulted an employee? You know, what he got fired for?

[quote] Stop cherry picking facts you bitter cunt.

r318 wins. No further discussion is necessary.

[quote] There is no such thing as open season on asshole neighbors. You do not have the right to shoot them when they call you mean names; when they shovel snow into your yard; not even when they’ve carried on a campaign of harassment.

Are you sure about that? Cause if you’re sure we got us some progums over hea in my neighborhood. Ain’t nobody ever told us different.

I am sure there is in Florida.

Could Jeffrey's estate sue the Goys estate?

Any concrete news?

I just stopped by by to ask if we had a photo of Spaide yet. I checked Google and still haven’t seen one there.

OMG, R332.

R332 Chiiile.

[Quote]Any concrete news?

Ask Carmine from Brooklyn at r328.

What! Did we get a pic? So is he hot or not??

Yes, omg, R336. We got a pic. Were have you been!!??

JFC R332 we got the scoop on Jeff's pic in about thread number 2!

There was a team of us working on the case behind these scenes. A number of fake pics appeared which we managed to exclude as being fakes.

JFC, r336!

Read the goddamn thread.

R339 At this point the Bible is a quicker read, asking directly to the insiders cuts to the chase.

FFS, R340. I feel that you should read all the threads instead of helping you out.

Are you asking for a pic R340?

R316, John Goodman would make an excellent Frau Goy as well.

R340 I wasn’t the one asking, I’m just pointing out this is a very dense and contrived number of threads, especially for a newcomer to tackle. I still can’t find out if the full extended video is still available, all the links I’ve seen to it are dead, like the main protagonists.

Here's Jeffrey

And here's the video

R246 Thanks, I guess it’s much less shocking having read about it for a week plus. The sound quality was fantastic, it must have been edited and enhanced?

Who says, "put the shovel down" at the beginning of the video? I assume it's Jeffrey?

Jeff up close and personal!

"Put the shovel down" was not included in the transcript. GINNY, you need to update your work.

R345 wow, NOT what I expected.

It’s there as “put the shovel back.”

Scummy motherfucker, R353.

R354 = fucking scumbag who don't bother with nobody.

Whenever I see "scummy motherfuckers", I think of this Prince song.

Big snow headed to Pennsylvania tomorrow, will there be more bloodshed in the half shoveled streets?

Regardless of what one thinks of Spaide's final acts, the people posting on his tribute page clearly identify with being abused or bullied by others and offer sympathies. One has to wonder if or how many Spaides are out there.

I think a lot of people disagree with violence but can relate to being pushed too far, R358,

R358 I think we should call a Spaide a Spaide.

Thanks for posting that R36

"Mr. Goy threatened Spaide and then seen making obscene gestures at him"

Why is this fact leaf out of so many other descriptions of the incident? It's from the police report. The key word: THREATENED

It's funny how that press release mentions that the Goys don't seem to react to the gunfire until several shots were fired. That's still the most fascinating part of the video. They nonchalantly stand there while bullets whiz by them

R363 - This fact was already noted here in an earlier post.

Meant to reference R280, sorry!

We are still spending time talking about this sad event?

Well you are doing the same R366. Why don't you bother us no more. You scummy mother fukar.

I like how that report, which was released the very next day after the incident, ends with a very clear conclusion: 'nothing to see here, everyone's all dead, move along, this case is closed.' There is more to the story which would have been clarified in the earlier, unseen, part of the security video, clearly, and the cops had seen it, or their report would not have said anything conclusive about the altercation that is not in the released film. One remaining question is, how did the edited video manage to get onto the internet, and why? It was wrongful to "publish" it, as a matter of law.

Absolutely agree R368.

Given that although there may not be any criminal proceedings outstanding, there certainly will be civil proceedings in due course.

Why did the video get leaked now? Who leaked it? Why did they leak it? Who gains from it being leaked.

The more this case is studied, the more one realises that it is far from being an open and shut case.

[quote] Why is this fact leaf out of so many other descriptions of the incident?

Because it’s winter and the leaves are dead?

[quote] Why did the video get leaked now? Who leaked it? Why did they leak it? Who gains from it being leaked.

Hi, Mr. X!

"Why is this fact leaf out of so many other descriptions of the incident?"

Oh, DEAR!

[quote] "Why is this fact leaf out of so many other descriptions of the incident?"

[quote] Oh, DEAR!

[quote] —My first "Oh Dear!"

Oh, dear.

Your first "Oh, Dear," is invalid, R372 since you didn't quote properly and you capitalized "dear." Therefore, I'm "oh, dear-ing," your post!

Well done R373.

How does one quote properly in DL?

R375, like this - [quote] in front of what you want to quote

[quote] How does one quote properly in DL?

I think we need to refocus on the case.

Do we have any update on how, why and who leaked the video?

R375, you’re too cute to feel inadequate.

By the way, when you quote something using the method r376 listed, you don’t “close” the quote like most boards. In other words, you don’t type [/quote] at the end.

[quote][R375], you’re too cute to feel inadequate.

[quote]By the way, when you quote something using the method [R376] listed, you don’t “close” the quote like most boards. In other words, you don’t type [/quote] at the end.

[quote][R375], like this - [quote] in front of what you want to quote

[r376] is correct, but to clarify, you cannot have a space between [quote] and whatever you are quoting, and it only works if [quote] is all the way to the left of the page. If you want to reference a post without bothering with a quote, just add an "r" in front of the post number, within [ ]s. Then others can hover over that to see that post. I join [r378] in finding [r375] adorable. Were I not happily wed, I would take you in a manly fashion (or you could take me. I'm verse).

[r377]The general consensus is that the video came from a security camera, most likely owned by the Goys, the verbally abusive and physically threatening couple that Spaide, a veteran who may or may not have been gay and/or suffering from PTSD, finally snapped and murdered. Most people seem yo understand if not condone the murders. No one knows how, why or who released it. Possibly the Goy's autistic son? This "case" is over 2 weeks old, and is deader than the 3 people who died that day when they just should have exchanged greetings over the miserable task of shoveling snow. Or y'know, just shoveled snow in silence. Does that pretty much bring you up to date? Or you could have just read ALL of these posts, as I did.

I don't think you need to worry, [r377] - these threads will go on on (and on and on), like Rose's heart. Let us have our rare DL teaching moment.

R379,

[quote] you cannot have a space between [quote] and whatever you are quoting,

Yes, you can.

Good to know, r380, thanks. I think I just learned something else. You can simply type "r" in front of a post number and brackets will appear. That's why my post has double brackets?

Ha!

An old dog can learn new tricks! Thanks, r380!

You’re right (this time), r381.

Just an R and a number. No brackets.

I saw a "Fear Thy Neighbor" episode last night and was reminded of the Goys. Both sets of neighbors were married, but in only one couple did they seem to "tag team" the other neighbor. In the end, "Jeff" called his wife to come out to the end of the road. Jeff and his wife "Myla" scream at neighbor Chad, complete with Myla holding up a phone. Chad guy shoots them both and winds up getting 38 years to life. I swear I don't mean to be misogynistic, but my God both those women were like a dog with a bone. In a husband and wife bully situation, the wife just feeds the fire, upping the ante and never letting anything go. The show had Myla's mom ans sister on, and even they couldn't make her look good.

I'd have rather lived next door to Jeff than the Goys. Jeff probably minded his own business compared to the trashy, obnoxious Goys.

R377 Thank you for the update.

On the question of who uploaded the video. There two editions. The original and the Director's cut.

Does the autistic son have video editing skills to release both editions?

R385 doesn’t value his innards as much as his aesthetics

R385 Jeff kept himself to himself. He was a very private individual. This has been commented up by impartial neighbors. The ideal neighbor.

I wonder where he practiced for his marathon runs? I wonder if he was seen jogging around the neighborhood?

R368’s questions absolutely need to be answered. As well as mine which obsess on how the heck did 13/15 W Bergh get permitted to rip out their front lawn and create a ghetto parking pad during 2014 - 2016? Scummy mfs. In no civilized place have I ever lived can one just do that. And I’ve lived in poor but civilized places. If Dateline or ID do this story, we need answers!

Not sure why people keep saying he had PTSD because he was an engineer, I don’t think he was on the front lines in Afghanistan. 🙄

R384 - I made a similar observation at r208 about the dynamic. Lisa kept going after her husband suddenly became reasonable, ("put the gun down"), but she upped the ante. FWIW, I'm a female and I don't think it's misogynistic. It's just a description of how things unfolded.

So many questions unanswered.

Did Jeff have PTSD from his exposure to water?

What was the zoning authority doing approving additional off-street parking?

Did autistic Goy Jnr have video editing skills?

About Goy Jr. - A poster on the first or second thread relayed that he'd read (either on Facebook or Reddit) the boy is high functioning and had recently participated in some kind of STEM camp or program for high school students and did very well.

And I'm sure everyone can see the irony of the parents harassing a man who their only child might grow to be some day.

Absolutely R393

Is it possible the sound is out of sync and that is why it appears like they are just standing there when the gunshots start?

Lisa Lampanelli in the role of Mrs. Goy.

Huh, I didn’t think of this before, the Goys who have a son with Autism and should be knowledgeable and understanding of a social disability were shaming Jeff for being a loner and keeping to himself and he literally had a personality that bordered on sounding like Aspergers. (Not an unusual trait for engineers) That makes what they did even more horrific in a way, they should have been a hundred more times sensitive to that then your average yokel? And they had a lifetime of dealing with someone who had rigid structures and rules for doing things and understanding when people become agitated when not following that? Were they somehow taking out their passive aggressive nature on him because they couldn’t on their own child and when he acted like their son it even enflamed them more exponentially?

R397 Makes you wonder how they treated Goy Jnr doesn't it?

I don't think that was ever verified, R393. For all we know, Goy Jr didn't function much more than a potato, but still, the Goys were trash for how they treated a neighbor, especially one who pretty much kept to himself.

So you're saying that Goy, Jr. either did or didn't function above drooling stage?

What about other reports about the Goy parents poor, paranoid interactions and mistreatment of servers in restaurants? Reported more than once. For all you know, they were ideal customers who tipped at least 20%, right? Since lack of verification and all that...😒.

If the Goys had a profoundly disordered, drooling couch potato at home, we would never have heard of it, riiight? Even as beleaguered parents with a known propensity to complain and portray themselves as victims...

Uh, huh.🤔

That comment about Goy Jr. was speculation from someone in the Facebook group who was under the impression that all autistics are idiot savants, R400, unlike the person on Facebook who was the Goys tenant and reported their behaviour in restaurants.

Say ‘restaurant’ for me, r401.

I love the way you Brits say it versus the way we say it in the States.

Can we talk about the absence of any obituary or tributes to the Goys?

Jeff's obit seems to have a genuine outpouring of grief and sympathy messages. Very strange go someone described as a loner. Strikes me, he was more sociable and popular than the Goys presented him as.

I have to admit i occasionally check the websites for the nursing homes in their town to see if anything is posted but nothing so far. And by now I would think it's too late.

Um, yeah, I think we can all agree it’s too late for nursing homes.

They’re beyond nursing at this point.

R396 Lisa Lampanelli would be perfect, except she would have to class it down a bit more.

Side note, I saw her preform on stage in Orange County CA once. The crowed loved her, she made jokes about Blacks, Mexican, Jews, Italians, Gays, but when she made a joke about Republicans, total silence! You could hear a pin drop. I guess they cant take what they dish out. Typical.

Weren't most of the tributes on his obit just random people sympathizing with his situation, R403?

R403 It was a mix of 'I didn't know you but' and people who clearly were on personal terms with him.

Did they say anything interesting, R408? I can't find the link.

[Quote]That comment about Goy Jr. was speculation from someone in the Facebook group who was under the impression that all autistics are idiot savants

Please tell us how you know such privileged information that no one else on this series of threads has access to? Tell us more about the naive/idiot FB poster who believes this? Like links.

Stop being such a contrary cunt who cannot provide a scintilla of evidence. You are not convincing in any way. Unless, you knock us over with a feather and actually provide an exculpatory link for yourself and your claim that Goy, Jr. is functionally incapacitated.

In light of your claim to bask in the light of truth, please tell us more that we do not know...

Relax, R410! Early on in the case, there was someone who wondered about the Goy's son on Facebook. The person didn't appear to know the Goys at all and simply speculated that the son could be some sort of savant like he or she imagined Jeff was. That discussion group has been taken down ever since Spaide's sister commented and wanted to argue with the guy who said he worked with Jeff.

I'll turn this on you. Show us some evidence that the Goy's son is some sort of autistic genius who excelled at STEM as Jeff did? You don't have any evidence of that either, now do you? What's your angle for wanting us to believe that Goy junior is a high-functioning autistic with a high IQ?

R409 There you go. You'll see his tribute wall has a number of contributions.

Thank you, R412.

[quote]Jeffrey A. Spaide, 47, of Plains, passed away Monday, February 1, 2021 at his home.

That sounds much more genteel than "blew his brains out Monday, February 1, 2021, at his home."

R414 We've seen many threads on the subject of how newspapers report deaths. Jeff's demise is just as sensitivity handled.

Has anyone seen the Goy's obituary?

No, r415, in spite of several posters actively looking for it. None able to find it (yet?).

It is interesting that Spaide has received such an outpouring of sympathy.

I guess the only big question still unanswered is who leaked the video?

Absolutely R418

Has there been any investigation into that?

TYpical Rage filled GenX assholes

Well, not anymore.

I say it's the neighbour kids who hacked it, R418.

There’s nothing to hack. It records to an SD card in the monitor.

Can't the homeowner access footage remotely via their cell phone? If so, would that make the system hackable?

No. The excellent sound quality might have you thinking it’s an up-to-date system, but it’s not — it’s just two cameras with an intercom and a little monitor, and no internet connection at all.

There was a closeup of the cameras in one of the early news reports and Defender only makes one system that matches them. I posted a link to the specs several threads back.

Thanks, r425. So someone in the police department or the DA's office, or it came from inside the house.

Haha, leave it to the Goys to have an outdated system to match their impromptu. ghetto parking spaces. They're the sorts who'd put an old sofa on the porch.

So, if this was the Goy’s camera, how much of installing it was about trying to catch Jeff doing things?

^I.e. catch him exacting revenge for some of their previous redneck bullshit.

R426, now I'm thinking it could have been that shifty-eyed cop that someone else mentioned.

Brian Baranski, who Lisa Goy either yelled into her phone or asked bystanders to call for her. According to the Reddit thread, Baranski is a local "ladies man" cop who had fingers everywhere. Why they might be in such a nasty, horrendous, aging snatch as Lisa Goy's should truly be a municipal question in that community.

It's interesting that the camera wasn't visible on Google Street View, but is on recent pictures of the Goys' property. So, they camera must have been installed in recent time. Yet, as has been stated above, isn't a state of the art, internet connected one, but a rather old style one. Was this because the Goys had a limited budget and money worries?

I think the Google street view is from 2014, R431.

Thank you

[quote]Baranski is a local "ladies man"

LOL but have you seen what he looks like? He's the guy on the right.

Let’s hope they cast up when ever they put together this movie of the week.

Who would make a handsome Jeff Spaide? Can we get the guy we first thought was him in the first thread? LOL

Baranski has quite large feet in that photo, R434, and looks like he has a firm grip .

That's considered hot in Pennsylvania, R434.

[quote]Most people seem yo understand if not condone the murders.

That's not true. There's a handful of people who have concocted a fiction around this crime and they're the only ones still talking about it, but don't mistake that as evidence of "most people understanding why he murdered."

Think about it: Spaide murdered this couple because they called him names and maybe put snow in his driveway, possibly. He shot them (while also snotting off with the same kind of quips Lisa Goy was snotting off with, and has been condemned for) and then went inside to get a higher-powered gun to shoot them again. He then blew his brains out with a third gun right when cops arrived, guaranteeing they, the medics, and the cleanup crew would be at least upset, if not traumatized. He actively traumatized his own family, the two teens who tried to help, his neighbors and any witnesses, plus the Goys' family. I can't imagine what this has been like for the poor woman who was stuck in the back seat of a car where a driver was speeding down an interstate and Dear Sainted Jeffrey was punching him in the head, increasing their chances of a major accident by at least an order of magnitude.

In order to make Jeffrey sound like he was within his rights to do this, people have created a fiction that is incredibly similar to the "tragic gay" stories so popular for decades: the closeted gay is emasculated and has to wield a gun to exact revenge, becoming an example of ye olde homicidal homosexual trope, who then offs himself for the good of society.

The truth is there is no evidence for about 95% of what they're claiming, and as such, people who know the actual facts don't "understand" why he committed multiple murders and traumatized a whole bunch of people for life.

Objection - pure speculation that Jeff murdered the Goys.

Sure we can see he killed them, but it would be for a jury to find him guilty of murder.

[quote] Sure we can see he killed them,

But can we really, Counselor? Can anyone here honestly testify that the person seen with the weapons is, without a shadow of a doubt and with certainty, Mr. Spaide?

Boy these threads sure died down when it revealed that Spaide didn't look like a 47 year old Jeremy Diamond!

^when it was* revealed

[quote]Boy these threads sure died down when it revealed that Spaide didn't look like a 47 year old Jeremy Diamond!

This is the seventh thread. Perhaps most people have had sufficient.

The issue of who leaked the video and why remains unanswered.

Until that and Brian Brianski's role in all of this is addressed, then I can see threads continuing.

Does anyone know which site the leaked footage first appeared?

I do not, but I think some others might have an idea.