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Theatre Gossip #401 - The "Finishing the Hate" Edition

Moving on from Audrey's tits with a brief detour to Muff-Diving Mary Martin (the lesbians must be loving these threads), we continue...

by Anonymousreply 60009/15/2020

The previous thread...

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by Anonymousreply 109/02/2020

Muff-Diving Mary would have been a better title, OP.

by Anonymousreply 209/02/2020

WE SEE YOU WHITE MUFF DIVING MARY MARTIN

by Anonymousreply 309/02/2020

I got chills watching the finale of the original Broadway Chorus Line. Thank you for posting that!

by Anonymousreply 409/02/2020

WE SEE YOU WHITE PEOPLE WHO SEE WHITE MARY MARTIN!!!

by Anonymousreply 509/02/2020

If a piece of shit like SLAVE PLAY wins Best Play, it proves there was no need to even have an awards ceremony in a truncated season.

by Anonymousreply 609/02/2020

So is Tonya Pinkins the Black Mary Martin?

by Anonymousreply 709/02/2020

Thanks to whoever posted the full A Chorus Line in the previous thread. Even though it was grainy and herky-jerky it was great to see it again. I always forget how funny it can be, given a cast who knows how to deliver those lines.

by Anonymousreply 809/02/2020

R7. I think she’s more the Black Elaine Stritch—talented, for sure, but so difficult to work with that you think twice about whether it’s worth it.

I get the feeling that Martin wasn’t difficult to work with, and used Halliday to handle anything that would make her seem like a diva. I think she kept a professional distance and concentrated on the work. A friend was one of the Lost Boys in one of her Peter Pan productions (I don’t know if it was stage or television) and said she was wonderful to the children in the cast.

by Anonymousreply 909/02/2020

Great title, OP! Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 1009/02/2020

[quote] One thing I have never understood is why the movie of Chorus Line defeated Michael Bennett, who tried to come up with a way to film it but gave up. Why not just put the show on stage? Would it really not have worked?

It wasn't so much that the movie defeated him as it was that he felt lost in Hollywood. He perhaps expected a certain level of deference he wasn't getting and the time to work on things, but mostly it was that he was a medium-small sized fish in a big pond as opposed to Broadway where he was King of a very small town.

by Anonymousreply 1109/02/2020

[quote] A couple of years later, Fosse called. He wanted her to, essentially, play Gwen in All That Jazz, but first to go into “Chicago” replacing Reinking as Roxie & finishing out the run. She turned him down flat, but eventually relented and agreed to do the film but not go into “Chicago.”

I always wondered why she did All That Jazz when she had decided to give up show business. Maybe she felt she owed Bob a favor for letting her out of A Chorus Line. (Not that he couldn't have filled the role with someone else, and Leland was not a "name," but she was damn good in All That Jazz and should have scored a supporting nomination, certainly over Jane Alexander saying three lines in Kramer vs. Kramer.

by Anonymousreply 1209/02/2020

Tonya Pinkins is the black Jerry Lewis.

by Anonymousreply 1309/02/2020

Tony Pinkins is the black Paz De La Huerta

by Anonymousreply 1409/02/2020

No, R12. No, no, no.

by Anonymousreply 1509/02/2020

Somethin's Happ'nin' (Baby! Baby!)

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by Anonymousreply 1609/02/2020

Wow, that song at R16 is horrible. I guess you had to be there.

Did Danny Apolinar die of AIDS? Obit from '95 says kidney failure.

by Anonymousreply 1709/02/2020

Watching this right now and it's quite fun...

Cagney & Lacey

TODAY, ON DECAD 2.2, 1 HR 1986

SEASON 5 • EPISODE 19 • EXIT STAGE CENTER • CRIME DRAMA / POLICE

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An investigation of an actress's apparent suicide reveals several murder suspects; Cagney makes an interesting date; Harvey reveals a secret from his past to Lacey. Chet Gardner: Peter Hansen. Jean McIntyre: Salome Jens. Eric Webber: Robin Thomas...

by Anonymousreply 1809/02/2020

Going back to Leland Palmer and ACL, there's a slight mistake in timeline. Palmer agreed to go into ACL towards the end of the LA run. Reinking had already played LA when McKechnie wanted to go back to NY. Ironically, she also played next to Kelly Bishop who was briefly replacing Charlene Ryan who was getting a boob job. When McKechnie bowed out of NY, Reinking returned and Vicki Frederick was brought to LA. When Vicki left, that's when they asked Palmer. During the time she was supposed to play the part, the understudy, Renata Vasselle played Cassie. Palmer then did Jules Pfeiffer's Hold Me across town at the Westwood Playhouse, while she was supposed to be played Cassie. Strange.

by Anonymousreply 1909/02/2020

Bennett's concept of the movie was to have people auditioning for the movie, the same as the documentary. It sounded dreadful.

by Anonymousreply 2009/02/2020

I too think ACL could work on film as is. However, some songs like "At the Ballet" and "I Can Do That," for example, could be done more cinematically, showing flashbacks in a montage or something, as they're retelling their childhoods.

by Anonymousreply 2109/02/2020

Now that people have worked out how to film plays, like the NT Live ones and Hamilton, they could easily do justice to a live staging of A Chorus Line.

Nothing will ever equal hearing that first blare of the brass live, but you can't capture everything that is great about live theatre.

by Anonymousreply 2209/03/2020

So Julianne Moore is almost 60 and Ben Platt is almost 27. Not a great start.

by Anonymousreply 2309/03/2020

"Nothing will ever equal hearing that first blare of the brass live, but you can't capture everything that is great about live theatre."

Like the rattling of plastic bags or candy wrappers, audience members who think that musicals are sing alongs, people who tap to the rhythm or kick your seat to the music, women who attend matinees and proceed to talk throughout the whole show , or old men who can;t hear and say," What did he say,?" constantly. But yes, I miss it too.

by Anonymousreply 2409/03/2020

Is it possible Evan Hansen is being reconceived as a story about a college student? None of these ages make much sense.

by Anonymousreply 2509/03/2020

I've been on a bit of a Howard Ashman kick after watching the Disney+ documentary, and ended up wasting time watching a documentary on the making of the London staging of Beauty and the Beast.

It was the first show I saw in the West End, and remember thinking that even then as an impressionable sixteen year-old that it was trash. But considering that this was that show that launched Disney on Broadway, that enjoyed a run of over 5,000 performances and a slew of international performances, why is it that Robert Jess Roth never did much else of note? Was Lestat such a travesty that it ruined his career? Everybody else who's directed a Broadway show for Disney - even the flops like Francesca Zambello - seem to have maintained much more illustrious careers.

by Anonymousreply 2609/03/2020

[quote]Now that people have worked out how to film plays, like the NT Live ones and Hamilton, they could easily do justice to a live staging of A Chorus Line. Nothing will ever equal hearing that first blare of the brass live, but you can't capture everything that is great about live theatre.

I agree with you about live theater, but "blaring brass" is not what we hear the first time the orchestra comes in at the top of ACL. That doesn't happen till a little later.

[quote]Is it possible Evan Hansen is being reconceived as a story about a college student? None of these ages make much sense.

I hope not. I don't think the peer pressure that's such a huge element of the plot of DEH would work with college students.

[quote]Considering that this was that show that launched Disney on Broadway, that enjoyed a run of over 5,000 performances and a slew of international performances, why is it that Robert Jess Roth never did much else of note? Was Lestat such a travesty that it ruined his career?

I think, with BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, he was viewed as someone who could pretty much recreate the movie on stage, which maybe is what Disney thought they wanted at the time. But for all its success with the public, that show got largely negative reviews. Then, with the phenomenal success of THE LION KING as directed by Taymor, I think Disney wanted to continue finding directors who would be more creative. But also, I had forgotten that RJR directed LESTAT. That certainly can't have helped his career. I think he needed at least one solid hit as a follow up to BEAUTY AND THE BEAST to keep him working steadily, not a tremendous flop.

by Anonymousreply 2709/03/2020

So who's looking forward to the Boys in the Band movie? I've already been reading comments on other forums from people saying they have no desire to sit through all that self-loathing. Is that fair or should it just be viewed as a product of its time?

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by Anonymousreply 2809/03/2020

Just see the original. Friedkin's direction is wound too tightly, but the actors are brilliant and they all lived this era. You will never again see it so beautifully acted.

by Anonymousreply 2909/03/2020

[quote]So who's looking forward to the Boys in the Band movie? I've already been reading comments on other forums from people saying they have no desire to sit through all that self-loathing. Is that fair or should it just be viewed as a product of its time?

It should be viewed by anyone who's interested in seeing a new production of a groundbreaking play first produced in 1968. If you're too sensitive to withstand characters who exhibit some self-loathing, then don't watch. The complaints about its being too dated and too offensive for woke modern audiences have become tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 3009/03/2020

The far-left (aka SJWs) are really stupid! They can't enjoy anything unless it is adhered and defanged to their content Why are we letting these people run Broadway... and Hollywood?

by Anonymousreply 3109/03/2020

[quote]The complaints about its being too dated and too offensive for woke modern audiences have become tiresome.

Also, those complaints about the self-loathing of the characters in THE BOYS IN THE BAND have been voiced ever since the play opened, and have been discussed ad infinitum over the years, especially after the first movie version was released. So to rehash them now is, indeed, very tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 3209/03/2020

I understand the period/self-loathing, but I never understood why any of these men would want to get together for a party because they are all so mean-spirited and awful. At least in a play like Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, there is a balance with the younger couple dealing with two angry hosts. BITB is just a bunch of assholes who inexplicably want to hang out.

by Anonymousreply 3309/03/2020

ACL is what is. It will never be a smash hit again and never be transcribed to the movies. What you see from 1975 is the best we will get because it was a show in a moment. Any revival has proven how dated it is and how poorly written it is. Bennett's staging and pacing were always the best things about it but his choreography was among the worst things.

It had a story to tell during the 70s. It told it and we moved on. Quickly.

by Anonymousreply 3409/03/2020

I've always felt like Boys in the Band is the night where all the characters realize that their host is an awful human being that they can't stand to be around anymore. If we're being truthful, a lot of us have hung out with someone like that more than a few times in our lives because, perhaps, we have mutual friends and we're only attending a party to see them. I don't find any of the characters very hateful except for the lead. He's the real monster. I always got the feeling that, at the end of the play, everyone else continued to hang out, but the lead was left alone.

I really don't see anything ever being the same between all these people.

I, too, mourn the fact that we can't see shows about people who are flawed and sometimes hateful, because a bunch of idiots believe the creators of these shows are trying to say that bitterness and hate are good things. I can't imagine anyone walking out of The Boys in the Band and thinking "man, that lead character...what a life. I wanna be just like him." If anything, it's a cautionary tale to not be such a bitter, self-loathing cunt.

by Anonymousreply 3509/03/2020

R35 SJWs lack critical thinking skills.

by Anonymousreply 3609/03/2020

Don’t forget Robert Jess Roth was also fired from Aida out of town

by Anonymousreply 3709/03/2020

[quote] Maybe she felt she owed Bob a favor for letting her out of A Chorus Line.

Wrong director. Michael Bennett let her out of Chorus Line, not Fosse.

by Anonymousreply 3809/03/2020

Blind item: Which highly anticipated musical now has no general management team?

by Anonymousreply 3909/03/2020

[quote] Blind item: Which highly anticipated musical now has no general management team?

Hazel? Rebecca?

by Anonymousreply 4009/03/2020

MJ or Mrs. Doubtfire, I'd guess.

by Anonymousreply 4109/03/2020

[quote]Blind item: Which highly anticipated musical now has no general management team?

Diana: The Musical. Since Harry and Megs joined Netflix, they put the halt on filming it.

by Anonymousreply 4209/03/2020

Did anyone see the Richard Armitage "The Crucible"? It seems a bit...over the top.

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by Anonymousreply 4309/03/2020

Who are the people behind Diana? It just screams vanity project

by Anonymousreply 4409/04/2020

SJWs go to events to find something that offends them, then announce it on social media. It gives their life purpose.

by Anonymousreply 4509/04/2020

Everything about me screamed vanity project.

by Anonymousreply 4609/04/2020

It's clear early on in BITB that these guys are all "friends of Harold," not a tight-knit group of old chums. Some knew each other, some didn't. Seems like a sound premise to me.

by Anonymousreply 4709/04/2020

Any kind soul out there have copies of the Verdon or Annie - Life After Tomorrow docs to share?

by Anonymousreply 4809/04/2020

[quote] Wrong director. Michael Bennett let her out of Chorus Line, not Fosse.

Duh. Can't believe I did that. Ooops.

by Anonymousreply 4909/04/2020

Keep your choreographers straight, r49. So to speak.

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by Anonymousreply 5009/04/2020

Garth Drabrinsky paid four songwriting times to write sample songs for Ragtime. We know who won but does anybody remember who the others were? Are there any recordings of their work for the show?

by Anonymousreply 5109/04/2020

^ songwriting teams, not times. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 5209/04/2020

I think Maltby and Shire were one of the teams. Don't know about the others.

by Anonymousreply 5309/04/2020

R48 Gwen is on my mega hard drive sorry, but here is Life After Tomorrow.

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by Anonymousreply 5409/04/2020

Jesus, what an exhausting number...

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by Anonymousreply 5509/04/2020

Shirley is an exhausting woman.

by Anonymousreply 5609/04/2020

R51 Garth Drabinsky otherwise known as Drab Garbinsky; he was the guy at Cineplex Odeon (a/k/a Cineplex Odious) who used to charge you if you asked for a cup for a drink of water

by Anonymousreply 5709/04/2020

IIRC, there were no water fountains in The Ford Center. If you were thirsty, you had to buy bottled water at the concession stand in the lobby.

by Anonymousreply 5809/04/2020

The show with no general manager is probably a Rudin show. Maybe the ad agency isn't the only one fighting to get paid?

by Anonymousreply 5909/04/2020

Aurelia Minnelli

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by Anonymousreply 6009/04/2020

[quote]It's clear early on in BITB that these guys are all "friends of Harold," not a tight-knit group of old chums.

Right. Very early on, before anyone else arrives, Donald asks Michael who's coming to the party, and Michael says (among other things), "I think you know most of them." Which makes it clear that they're not a tight-knit group, at least, not most of them.

[quote]Garth Drabinsky otherwise known as Drab Garbinsky.

I never heard that nickname for him. The one I always heard was "Darth Grabinsky," which was great because it captured both his evil nature (Dart Vader) and his greed ("grab"-insky).

by Anonymousreply 6109/04/2020

[quote]Right. Very early on, before anyone else arrives, Donald asks Michael who's coming to the party, and Michael says (among other things), "I think you know most of them." Which makes it clear that they're not a tight-knit group, at least, not most of them.

No. What that statement makes clear(er) is that Donald is the only one at the party who does not live in New York City. He drives in for his weekly therapy and then he stays over and spends the night with Michael. This particular night, Harold's birthday is is intruding on their usual evening together.

by Anonymousreply 6209/04/2020

But, R62, Michael also tells Donald that "they're mostly Harold's friends." Although I will concede that Harold certainly has an unusual assortment of dissimilar friends.

by Anonymousreply 6309/04/2020

But, R62, Michael also tells Donald that "they're mostly Harold's friends." Although I will concede that Harold certainly has an unusual assortment of dissimilar friends.

by Anonymousreply 6409/04/2020

^^ Sorry. I have no idea why that posted twice.

by Anonymousreply 6509/04/2020

No. That statement says nothing about whether the others haven't met or are as thick as thieves. Donald could have met each of them individually, or he could have met them at one big gathering. But that line does not tell us how Donald met them and it does not tell us if the others know each other, or not. It serves to underscore Donald's outsider status. And that suggests that the others may be acquainted. Donald is apprehensive about fitting in and meeting new people. Michael tells him to relax and that his fears are misplaced. After all, Donald already knows most of them.

by Anonymousreply 6609/04/2020

You're welcome r8 and even though quality was pretty shitty those were the best characterizations I've seen. I appreciated each of them on a new level after seeing the original cast.

by Anonymousreply 6709/04/2020

[Quote] I don't find any of the characters very hateful except for the lead. He's the real monster.

Agreed. Who comes away from Boys in the Band thinking that Donald is awful? Or Bernard?

by Anonymousreply 6809/04/2020

Just so everyone’s on the same page, the line is:

“I think you know everybody anyway — they’re the same old tired fairies you’ve seen around since the day one”

by Anonymousreply 6909/04/2020

I have mp3s somewhere of the Original Cast album. Were there any major line deletions for the movie?

by Anonymousreply 7009/04/2020

Speaking of Mrs. Doubtfire here's a little snippet I came across on YT.

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by Anonymousreply 7109/04/2020

It never ceases to amaze me how the theatre gossip thread will just drop off my watch list and yet threads I purposely remove will keep popping back up.

by Anonymousreply 7209/04/2020

[Quote] It never ceases to amaze me how the theatre gossip thread will just drop off my watch list

Are you a fan of FOLLIES?

by Anonymousreply 7309/04/2020

[quote]^^ Sorry. I have no idea why that posted twice.

Welcome to DL! Let us know when you hit your first triple.

by Anonymousreply 7409/04/2020

Dear God, that Mrs. Doubtfire clip is horrible.

by Anonymousreply 7509/04/2020

FOLLIES!

by Anonymousreply 7609/04/2020

That Mrs. Doubtfire clip is why I'm sorta glad Broadway is taking a break. Maybe it'll give them a long time to sit in a corner and think about what they've done. That was painful.

by Anonymousreply 7709/04/2020

I didn't think it was so bad.

Looks like I've got a lot to learn.

Can someone name some contemporary shows that you like so I can get an idea what good Broadway looks like?

I'm not kidding btw. Just started getting into these shows during lockdown.

by Anonymousreply 7809/04/2020

Ya want FOLLIES???

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You'll never get anyone to agree on a contemporary show that is good. I would recommend Dear Evan Hansen. It's very good; very touching. From a while back, I'd go with Next to Normal.

by Anonymousreply 8009/04/2020

Thanks r80

I saw Waitress at the beginning of shutdown it was floating around YT with the original cast. It was not a great recording but not horrible either. I really liked it, Sara Barielles did a great job with the music lots of fun tunes and a great cast. Jesse Mueller leaves me a little cold though. Her vocals were great and physically she did everything well, her chemistry with Dr. Pom was great, but I didn't get choked up for her as Jenna.

Also saw School of Rock which was really fun. And someone here posted She Loves Me and that was also well cast and a lot of fun. My first time seeing Jane Krakowski do her musical theater thing.

I can't tell about Mrs. Doubtfire from just one clip. I enjoyed it but I'd need to see how it fits in and feels with the rest of the show to know if the show is shit or not.

by Anonymousreply 8109/04/2020

Everyone in the Mrs. Doubtfire clip is YELLING EVERY FUCKING LINE

by Anonymousreply 8209/04/2020

[quote]Everyone in the Mrs. Doubtfire clip is YELLING EVERY FUCKING LINE

I don't see the problem.

by Anonymousreply 8309/04/2020

That is the modern style. Dynamics died long ago and is sadly missed by those of us who knew it once.

I just saw the new biopic of Helen Reddy (don't bother). In the scene where she's recording I Don't Know How to Love Him, everyone at the (deeply unprofessional) studio is obviously bored until she gets to the bridge and it gets loud. Then they all look up and congratulate each other that she's gonna be great. It really struck me that that was exclusively 2020 speaking. In the 1970s people appreciated the way she modulated the whole thing.

by Anonymousreply 8409/04/2020

I’d say that The Band’s Visit was the last great contemporary musical

by Anonymousreply 8509/05/2020

R84 do they discuss Reddy’s tendency to sing off-key? Jesus, I remember how she sometimes made my ears hurt.

by Anonymousreply 8609/05/2020

Of course not, R86. Also, very little of the singing in the show is hers: nearly every song is dubbed by someone called Chelsea Cullen, who impersonates her voice quite well. Why they couldn't use her original vocals, though, I have no clue. I would be deeply suspicious of anything you think you learn about Reddy from the movie, which pursues its own agendas into what seem to me very fictional realms.

While it's making stuff up, it fails to mention that Reddy's mother and half-sister Toni were major stars in Australia (among other things Toni, who is still alive, played Babe in The Pajama Game, Nancy in Oliver and Mama Rose in the Australian capital cities), or that her nephew is Tony Sheldon of Priscilla fame.

by Anonymousreply 8709/05/2020

[quote]“I think you know everybody anyway — they’re the same old tired fairies you’ve seen around since the day one”

Yes, I think we're supposed to understand that some of the group are very close friends -- Harold and Michael, obviously -- while others are just social acquaintances with varying degrees of closeness. Even if some of them are not best friends, they're all part of a fairly small group of gay men who are out of the closet (for the most part) in NYC in 1969, so they have that bond if nothing else.

by Anonymousreply 8809/05/2020

R86 makes my brain hurt.

by Anonymousreply 8909/05/2020

Here's all I could find of Chelsea Cullen:

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by Anonymousreply 9009/05/2020

I know one can't and shouldn't critique an entire project based on a poorly-recorded five-minute excerpt. But Jesus fucking Christ: Mrs Doubtfire looks like an abortion. What the fuck is that sloppy choreography? The inane, witless lyrics? The banal and uninspired music? And I know the plot, but that scene looks devoid of any fucking dramatic tension or structure.

Time and time again, I'm amazed that these things spend years in development, raise millions in funds, go through workshops and out of town tryouts before finally ending up on Broadway. And they're still just absolutely fucking dreadful, with no clear reason why they need to exists. All that labor and effort and time and cost, to produce nothing but forgettable mediocrities. For the life of me, I'm amazed that people kept paying to see this shit, when a monthly Netflix subscription costs less than an interval drink at a Broadway show.

And when theatres reopen, who in their right mind is not only going to pay for a ticket, but actually risk death just to sit through some fucking half-assed adaptation of a movie that's almost 30 years old?

With scant exceptions, the American musical was dead long before March of this year.

by Anonymousreply 9109/05/2020

Yeah, that number. smacks of real desperation. Probably best if it never opens.

by Anonymousreply 9209/05/2020

I have to admit I do not know Boys in the Band, but I heard about it for years and I am trying to decide whether to see this or not.

This is a spoiler request--are all the gay men clones of Hitler? Does anyone ever call them out on the Holocaust or do they just let that slide by.

My mother was jewish so I have feelings about this and may not want to watch it if it lets Nazis off the hook.

Also, in the 70s I know they used to talk about "gay clones." Was that because of Boys from the Band?

by Anonymousreply 9309/05/2020

R59-I think it's Rudin's production of DEATH OF A SALESMAN, THE MUSICAL starring Nathan.

by Anonymousreply 9409/05/2020

DEATH OF A SALESLADY

by Anonymousreply 9509/05/2020

Death of a Non-Gender Specific Salesperson

by Anonymousreply 9609/05/2020

[Quote] a movie that's almost 30 years old?

I think you miss some of the point.

by Anonymousreply 9709/05/2020

I have no idea what you're babbling about, R93, but as someone who enjoys "The Boys in the Band" for its wit and who appreciates its historical significance, I suggest that you avoid it like the plague.

by Anonymousreply 9809/05/2020

For absolutely no reason...

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DEATH OF A SALESBOTTOM

by Anonymousreply 10009/05/2020

Thanks, r98. If r93 needs advice from a group of anonymous gay men as to whether he should watch a 2-hour movie, he must be 12.

by Anonymousreply 10109/05/2020

Now that I see it again, I think that R93's post was meant as a joke, deliberately conflating "The Boys in the Band" with "The Boys From Brazil."

To put it another way, it was like a joke, only without any actual humor.

by Anonymousreply 10209/05/2020

WE SEE YOU WHITE DEATH OF A SALESBOTTOM!!!

by Anonymousreply 10309/05/2020

r93 is a pock-marked Jew fairy.

by Anonymousreply 10409/05/2020

R104 is Maria Montez

by Anonymousreply 10509/05/2020

R78: Give The Light in the Piazza a try. To me, it's one of the very best of modern musicals. (Fifteen years old counts as "modern," yes?)

by Anonymousreply 10609/05/2020

It's superb, r78. Do as r106 suggests. It's a pity Kelli O'Hara had left the show before it was filmed; her replacement's not as good, but Victoria Clark is perfection.

by Anonymousreply 10709/05/2020

Three Kings with Andrew Scott.

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I have so much to say about that atrocious Mrs. Doubtfire clip. Is the whole show as overproduced and busily staged as that “song”? To even call that claptrap rap or whatever it is a song is an insult to true songwriters. Everything about it is terrible, from the puerile lyrics to the lack of a discernible melody or even a memorable hook to the endless length and the wrongheaded concept of not musicalizing one of the film’s most memorable lines (“My first day as a woman and I’m already getting hot flashes”), which instead doesn’t even land because it’s buried beneath the pablum masquerading as a song and the ridiculously fussy staging. Please don’t tell me this is a highlight of the show. Also, who is the shrill and strident cooking instructor (whose voice, demeanor and attitude do not evoke any YouTube chef that ever existed, nor the other one ,which is a half-hearted Paula Dean parody, I’m assuming. The production values range from impressive to embarrassingly cheap (that table on wheels the shrew awkwardly pushes out prior to her first entrance). I can’t even go on (though I could). What a bomb. It looks almost - almost, not quite - as bad as another screen-to-stage adaptation of a film that has everything to make a good musical, but instead was a turgid and boring abortion, The First Wives Club. I’m usually not this negative, but that clip was ridiculously horrible. Apologies for the length of this diatribe, perhaps some of you agree (or not?).

by Anonymousreply 10909/05/2020

PS I adore the film, warts and all. It was a childhood favorite.

by Anonymousreply 11009/05/2020

Live, Socially Distanced Theater in Central Park:

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by Anonymousreply 11109/05/2020

R71 Even Joanne Worley would be insulted by that long aborted chicken joke

by Anonymousreply 11209/05/2020

Don't let this inspire anyone to try a musical based on Ms. Child, Hello, Julia!

by Anonymousreply 11309/05/2020

Does Boys in the Band feature gunshots? What does the show curtain look like?

by Anonymousreply 11409/05/2020

What kind of band are they? If they are a rock band, I might skip it. A jazz band or swing band are more my speed.

by Anonymousreply 11509/05/2020

They are a band of brothers, r115, as well as sisters under the skin.

by Anonymousreply 11609/05/2020

They’re a string sextet, r115, specializing in show tunes from the 50s and 60s.

by Anonymousreply 11709/05/2020

I think the idea of a band specializing in show tunes being gay is really outdated and offensive. I am definitely skipping this.

by Anonymousreply 11809/05/2020

I'm picketing this.

by Anonymousreply 11909/05/2020

No justice, no “Boys”!

by Anonymousreply 12009/05/2020

Is this the Boys with the evil superheroes?

by Anonymousreply 12109/05/2020

Chace Crawford would have been a perfect "Cowboy" a decade ago.

by Anonymousreply 12209/05/2020

R79 I'm only a few minutes into this high school Follies and this high school Sally is already giving a better performance than Imelda Staunton. Granted, she hasn't sung yet...

by Anonymousreply 12309/05/2020

I guess you didn't see Bernie's Sally...

by Anonymousreply 12409/05/2020

I did. It was....unfortunate.

by Anonymousreply 12509/05/2020

Bernadette wasn't that bad as Sally. At least not at the performance I saw, but she does have a habit of being a little inconsistent from performance to performance, doesn't she? Ask anyone about her run in Gypsy and you'll get either get "she was genius" or "she was the worst Rose I've ever seen."

by Anonymousreply 12609/05/2020

BP defenders always talk about how she was "later in the run." The woman is not an actress.

by Anonymousreply 12709/05/2020

There's something so grotesque about seeing high schoolers playing bitter, jaded 50-80 somethings.

by Anonymousreply 12809/05/2020

Peters was very winning in Hello, Dolly. Probably the best she's been in years. Really warm, funny, and moving. Loved her in that.

by Anonymousreply 12909/05/2020

Something for the boys...

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Was there ever an attempt to do a musical version of The Boys in the Band? Or an opera?

by Anonymousreply 13109/05/2020

Don't give Jake Shears any ideas.

by Anonymousreply 13209/05/2020

High school kids doing Follies is like the gay version of those plays the lead character put on in Rushmore.

by Anonymousreply 13309/05/2020

Glenn

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r128 - This should go directly to Losing My Mind right into Lucy and Jessie. Otherwise it's at 1:55:27.

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Does the poster who has all the bootlegs have the most recent revival of All My Sons? I just discovered Benjamin Walker.

by Anonymousreply 13609/05/2020

Benjamin Walker got such a raw deal with American Psycho. To physically transform himself like that, perform incredibly difficult material (including the tighty whitey blood ballet), ooze charisma and sing like a dream only to end up a mere afterthought as the vultures descended. What I wouldn’t give for an edgy adult musical on serious themes like that again, but I have a feeling that type of entertainment is gone for good or at least many, many years when theatre returns. Am I the only one who admired the show (and especially him in it)? Yes, it needed more work (why didn’t it get it?), but it was unique and at times sensational powerful and theatrical.

by Anonymousreply 13709/05/2020

R136 I have four All My Sons. Is it Sally's Annette or Zoe?

by Anonymousreply 13809/05/2020

Speaking of which, is there a boot of American Psycho out there?

by Anonymousreply 13909/05/2020

R137 I loved that show. Saw it many times. Should have been given a better chance.

by Anonymousreply 14009/05/2020

I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't want to fuck Ben Walker.

by Anonymousreply 14109/05/2020

Well, unless Mamie Gummer visits the DL that may be true, r141.

by Anonymousreply 14209/05/2020

R138 Annette please.

by Anonymousreply 14309/05/2020

Here ya go...

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[quote]There's something so grotesque about seeing high schoolers playing bitter, jaded 50-80 somethings.

[] Sounds like the film of Dear Evan Hanson in reverse. Hi, Ben!

[quote]Was there ever an attempt to do a musical version of The Boys in the Band? Or an opera?

No, but years later Crowley wrote a sequel titled "The Men from the Boys." It's never had a major production because the few productions it has had have been badly received. The title always reminded me of this joke:

How do they separate the men from the boys in Greece?

With a crowbar.

by Anonymousreply 14509/05/2020

What a strange pair, Annette and Frankie made. Who thought to put those two together?

She was built like the proverbial "brick house", what torpedos she had. Frankie was a bit on the small side and pigeon chested.

by Anonymousreply 14609/05/2020

Here's where we separate the notes from noise.

by Anonymousreply 14709/05/2020

"Was there ever an attempt to do a musical version of The Boys in the Band? "

They did record the title number of the proposed musical

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That number from Mrs. Doubtfire is worse than Covid....

by Anonymousreply 14909/05/2020

What Theatre Gossip thread would be complete without this?

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I thought Something Rotten was highly entertaining and quite witty, but now that I see that Mrs. Doubtfire is by the same team it makes sense that this is by those authors - though it is far worse than anything that made it into Something Rotten. By the way, the audience goes absolutely ape shit at the end of that abomination... has taste really completely evaporated? Apparently so. Highly depressing.

by Anonymousreply 15109/05/2020

[quote]No, but years later Crowley wrote a sequel titled "The Men from the Boys." It's never had a major production because the few productions it has had have been badly received.

A reading of "The Men From the Boys," directed by Zachary Quinto, was streamed in June.

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I thought "Something Rotten!" had some funny bits, but by the second act, the same witless gags (confusing "Hamlet" with "Omelet") were being pounded into the ground over and over and over. I did not have high hopes for "Mrs. Doubtfire" when I found out it was from the same creative team.

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Thanks, r152. I'll watch it later.

I thought The Men from the Boys follows the same characters 30 years later. Surely they didn't all survive the 80s?

I didn't see the last revival but I saw the 25th anniversary production in the early 90s with David Drake at the Theatre de Lys. When it was good, it was very good but I thought it was overlong to sit through. Did anyone else see that or the Transport Group production from 10 or 12 years ago performed in a Chelsea penthouse? I heard that was very good.

by Anonymousreply 15409/05/2020

Something Rotten was funny for a while but as 153 says, the gag about omelet dragged on for too long but that could also have been intentional. In some instances driving something into the ground is used for comic effect.

Still I'd have to say that overall it was enjoyable.

by Anonymousreply 15509/05/2020

I don't think "The Men From the Boys" is still available to stream, R154. That Playbill article was from June.

by Anonymousreply 15609/05/2020

Was the script for The Men from the Boys ever publisher? A cursory Google search would suggest not.

by Anonymousreply 15709/05/2020

Audiences have terrible taste. I saw the out of town tryout of Mrs. Doubtfire in Seattle and for the most part, audiences ate it up.

Rob McClure is good....he's a terrific performer. He's really the sole reason to see the show.

But, the show itself feels like most new musicals...soulless, corporate, cruise ship/casino level entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 15809/05/2020

R157, the script of Men from the Boys is published by Samuel French and also appears in Crowley's collected plays from Alyson Books.

by Anonymousreply 15909/06/2020

^^^found through a google search

by Anonymousreply 16009/06/2020

So will The New Season section in next week’s Sunday Times be a pamphlet or will they just not print one?

by Anonymousreply 16109/06/2020

The Transport group production of BITB was terrific, with the exception of the actor who abysmally mangled the role of Harold. He was embarrassingly bad. Jonathan Hammond and Nick Westrate were outstanding as Michael and Donald.

by Anonymousreply 16209/06/2020

One of the many reasons the phrase "Oh dear" was invented...

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The ONE...

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O.K., close second...

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Thanks, r164. Heaven. Made me cry.

by Anonymousreply 16609/06/2020

The fact that the images are blurry and you're never quite sure if the sound synchs is just the perfect way to remember that transcendent production r164.

by Anonymousreply 16709/06/2020

That footage from the wings in r164 gave me chills

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[quote]r134 Glenn

Lord, she really comes across as a plain-faced female impersonator. But without the pizazz.

by Anonymousreply 16909/06/2020

And the taps are so emphasized, r167. I'm assuming that was enhanced on the soundboard with the boys tapping in the basement.

by Anonymousreply 17009/06/2020

Ugh. There's more artistic ambition, thematic exploration and sheer emotional profundity in seven minutes of 'Who's that woman?' than there has been in the entirety of some Broadway seasons. I know that FOLLIES! gets discussed ad nauseam here, but Lord, what a masterpiece.

by Anonymousreply 17109/06/2020

[quote]the boys tapping in the basement

Is that what they called it in the 70s?

by Anonymousreply 17209/06/2020

[quote]the boys tapping in the basement.

What is it about Sondheim and basements?

by Anonymousreply 17309/06/2020

I tapped that in the basement.

by Anonymousreply 17409/06/2020

They should rewrite FOLLIES! to be about a drag queens instead, drag queens are very popular right now and it would probably be a hot ticket.

Have to think the queens in this thread that can't let go of this fucking production imagine and wish they were the ladies in the show.

Can't see the reason for such obsession otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 17509/06/2020

Rewrite FOLLIES for Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion. Megan would be Durant (Plummer) as dining out on getting some glass in her foot is a very Sally thing to do. And Cardi would absolutely tell you about how much Georgian silver she has in the crib.

by Anonymousreply 17609/06/2020

Feel free to talk about something else, r175.

by Anonymousreply 17709/06/2020

Don't be stupid 176

by Anonymousreply 17809/06/2020

I’d say someone should do a production of Follies where Stella transitioned FTM after the Follies. But Come Back...Jimmy Dean kinda already did that, albeit the other way around.

by Anonymousreply 17909/06/2020

A trans Stella should be MTF - easier to get those low tones.

by Anonymousreply 18009/06/2020

I always loved Sondheim's original concept for the number where the women had to work around the fact that one of their dance partners had died in the years since. I could see that working well in a film version.

by Anonymousreply 18109/06/2020

I thought there was a thread dedicated to Follies exclusively. Of course, no one can find it because of the laughable, non-existent search function.

by Anonymousreply 18209/06/2020

There was. But this is the Theatre Gossip Thread. We talk about FOLLIES here.

by Anonymousreply 18309/06/2020

[quote]But this is the Theatre Gossip Thread. We talk about FOLLIES here.

And almost nothing else.

by Anonymousreply 18409/06/2020

[Quote] And almost nothing else.

You're welcome to introduce a new topic.

by Anonymousreply 18509/06/2020

R181, Michael Bennett used the concept to much more powerful advantage in ACL when in the final lineup, there is now an empty space where Paul had been.

by Anonymousreply 18609/06/2020

Someone dies in ACL?

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[quote]Someone dies in ACL?

Yes. When Sheila doesn't get the job, she pulls out a gun and fires at Val. Unfortunately, the bullet bounces off Val's fake tits and hits Morales. It's karma for Morales singing that she felt nothing when Mr. Karp died. Ritchie rushes to Morales' body and reenacts the final moments of West Side Story:. How many bullets, Sheila? One for you? And you? And one left for me? Te Adora, Morales.

by Anonymousreply 18809/06/2020

Rob McClure really is a terrific actor,

by Anonymousreply 18909/06/2020

We haven't talked about FOLLIES in a while. Maybe we could talk about that. More specifically, Westfield High's production.

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^ Their Ben is a freshman...and has braces.

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I, sick of these fucking high school productions of Follies with all these untalented kids.

by Anonymousreply 19209/06/2020

It's like the OBC of Merrily.

by Anonymousreply 19309/06/2020

Absolutely nothing to watch on TV. I flipped on Dear John. Haven't watched that since it was first on. It was at this point at 11:00 when Mr. Groener begins to dance. Awwww.

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"I, sick of these fucking high school productions of Follies with all these untalented kids."

I, sick of Follies.

by Anonymousreply 19509/06/2020

OMG, R194, I just did the exact same thing!!! There was nothing to watch at 11, so I turned to see what was on Antenna TV and started watching "Dear John," which I have not seen in years.

by Anonymousreply 19609/06/2020

A Chorus Line seems so dated to me. I don’t think it would be as powerful now as it was when it premiered.

We are all used to shows about show biz behind the scenes. The shocking elements—gay character, a woman talking about tits and ass—aren’t so shocking anymore

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[quote]We haven't talked about FOLLIES in a while. Maybe we could talk about that. More specifically, Westfield High's production.

Did Westdale High ever do it? I'm seeing Peter as Ben and Greg as Buddy. Jan as Sally and Marcia as Phyllis. Alice as Hattie or Carlotta.

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It really was a funny episode, r196. I was laughing out loud at the end. They really did have a well-cast show. Love Jane Carr.

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Jane Carr is good friends with Joanna Lumley.

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Jane and Joanna with Elizabeth Knight and Jennifer Croxton (looking like Julie Driscoll).

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Mary MacGregor died a FOOL!

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[quote] A Chorus Line seems so dated to me. I don’t think it would be as powerful now as it was when it premiered.

The last Broadway revival smelled of mothballs and wasn’t ideally cast, but City Center did an Encores-like production a year or so ago that was quite wonderful.

by Anonymousreply 20309/07/2020

A good director can make anything seem fresh. Unfortunately, the stage is always suffering a dearth of excellent directors.

by Anonymousreply 20409/07/2020

R203, yes I saw the revival (which I believe was a moment by moment recreation of the original) and it sucked!

No energy, no spark

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Here you go, R113. For you.

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Thank! Now I'm sorry I asked!

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Frankly, the movie JULIE & JULIA would make a good stage musical, IMO.

by Anonymousreply 20809/07/2020

Anyone have the Old Vic Three Kings with Andrew Scott?

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[quote]Frankly, the movie JULIE & JULIA would make a good stage musical, IMO.

Because there haven't been nearly enough stage musicals in recent years adapted from movies that were not especially inspired choices to turn into musicals.

by Anonymousreply 21009/07/2020

That Nick Cordero memorial last night was a dreary, sappy, slog. Where were the people he worked with on Broadway? It could have been done in an hour, instead, it stretched out to 2 dry-eyed, sloppy hours, with nothing from best friend Zach Braff, hardly anyone from WAITRESS, and just Richard H. Blake from BRONX TALE. Surely the man deserved better than this. I suspect some people just didn't want to be part of it. And I could have done with a lot less from the wife, especially in those personal videos.

by Anonymousreply 21109/07/2020

That painful Nick Cordero memorial tribute last night was a sappy, overlong slog. Two hours of tributes from "friends", with anecdotes too stupid to have to listen to. Where was Zach Braff, his "best friend", where was jessie Mueller, where was anyone of importance. The wife needed an editor, for this thing could have certainly been done in an hour, without all the videos of her. What was she doing, promoting her own career, or saying goodbye to Nick? I suspect a lot of people refused to participate.

by Anonymousreply 21209/07/2020

I'd prefer Sunnydale High's production of Follies - someone could stake Drusilla as old Heidi half way through One More Kiss .

by Anonymousreply 21309/07/2020

Doubtfire suffers from bad writing. "something rotten" was a B- at best, and that writing team approaches everything like they're writing for The Carol Burnett Show in 1974. It reminded me of watching TOOTSIE -- it was so forced and strained and wearying...

by Anonymousreply 21409/07/2020

Much more appropriate for high schools. I sat through the entire 5 minutes, but I thought the final effect at the end was worth it.

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R209 Has already been posted on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 21609/07/2020

The Nick tribute.

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So how much did The Widow Kloots grift from that "memorial" on top of what she scammed through GoFundMe?

by Anonymousreply 21809/07/2020

My Beautiful Laundrette.

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Thank you 219, now I can finish watching it.

Someone over at Reddit put it up for viewing for 48 hours and I didn't have time to see the whole thing in one sitting.

by Anonymousreply 22009/07/2020

Some legend finally posted Starstruck on Youtube. Loved it as a gayling, but fuck, it is bizarre. Like an anti musical. And the David Atkins choreography is something else....

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Why has no one adapted LIKE WATER FOR CHOCOLATE into a musical? It's about warped family traditions, an evil mother, a jealous older sister, and forbidden love. Also, the story features magical elements that are ripe for musicalization. A modern fairy tale set against the backdrop of the Mexican Revolution (1910-1920).

It was a novel first, so it wouldn't necessarily be a film-to-stage transfer.

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[Quote] It's about warped family traditions, an evil mother, a jealous older sister, and forbidden love.

It could be a hit if they retitle it "The Kardashians."

by Anonymousreply 22309/07/2020

"The Gabors"

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"Starstruck" is currently available on Amazon Prime. I saw it years ago in the cinema and enjoyed it a lot. I plan to watch it again soon. I remember it being kind of unusual, funny and just a lot of fun.

by Anonymousreply 22509/07/2020

[Quote] "The Gabors"

Merv and Ryan Seacrest as the forbidden lovers.

by Anonymousreply 22609/07/2020

Like Water For Chocolate: The Musical! has been in development for eons... it premiered almost ten years ago and got OK reviews but nobody seems to care. No idea who this Downs woman is who wrote the score, but the book was by the In The Heights woman. Seems DOA.

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[Quote] No idea who this Downs woman is who wrote the score

Pretty girl?

by Anonymousreply 22809/07/2020

Why don't these Mexican musicals ever do well? I remember in the early 2000s, there was a Selena musical that was Broadway-bound but never made it.

by Anonymousreply 22909/07/2020

Michael John LaChiusa’s Bernarda Alba was sensational and got rave reviews but only played a limited run at the Mitzi E. Newhouse back in the late 00s. Phylicia Rashad certainly would have received Tony #2 (or #3?) had it transferred but one assumes producers are (expectedly) gun-shy with pieces like that. Daphne Rubin Vega was devastating, as well. Graciela Daniele’s direction was superb. It’s not a fun show (obviously), but a beautiful piece. The cast album is excellent.

by Anonymousreply 23009/07/2020

Why hasn’t Chocolat been turned into a musical?

by Anonymousreply 23109/08/2020

Haven't a clue, r229.

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Thanks, R216, I missed it earlier. If anyone else wants Andrew Scott in Three Kings it's at R108.

by Anonymousreply 23309/08/2020

Does anybody have a link to the full NT Follies?

by Anonymousreply 23409/08/2020

It's when I hear shit like that "Abracadabra" and I don't understand why people think Cole Porter was a genius.

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Glad to see this thread back. Last night I actually thought it had been deleted for some reason. It dropped off my watch list, which has happened before, but this time I could not find it at all using the search function. No matter what word(s) I put in, nothing came up, so who the hell knows.

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[quote]It's when I hear shit like that "Abracadabra" and I don't understand why people think Cole Porter was a genius.

Maybe because they're more musically educated than you are and have heard other Porter songs like "So in Love," "Just One of Those Things," "Begin the Beguine," "I Get a Kick Out of You," "You're the Top," "They Couldn't Compare to You" etc etc and all the dozens and dozens of songs that attest to his genius. "Abracadabra" is grade D Porter, from one of his worst shows.

by Anonymousreply 23709/08/2020

[quote] Why hasn’t Chocolat been turned into a musical?

Because tourists don't want to see it

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The man with the big...

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[Quote] I could not find it at all using the search function. No matter what word(s) I put in, nothing came up, so who the hell knows.

Use Google.

by Anonymousreply 24009/08/2020

The Porter is a silly throwaway but give me Abracadabra over Alba any day of the week.

by Anonymousreply 24109/08/2020

I think Abracadabra is a lot of fun, and June sure puts it over. At least it has craft, something most new songs don't have at all.

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Follies!

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Sea Wold with Andrew Scott.

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Candide.

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Here’s another fun June Havoc song from Mexican Hayride. It’s more typical Porter-y

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Was "Sadie Thompson" recorded?

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R238 The movie was a critical and box office hit and was nominated for several Oscars, including Best Picture.

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I know that most people here already know this, but for the few who don't, June Havoc began her career as a child star in vaudeville. She was known as Baby June and her sister Louise was also in her act.

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[quote]R245 Candide

I just skipped around through that here and there, but right from the first song the tempos seem unnecessarily slow.

I think that show is more fun with a sprightly quality.

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[quote] Was "Sadie Thompson" recorded?

Not with June it wasn’t, unfortunately. A few years ago, there was a studio recording, but the boring & inappropriate Melissa Errico sang the title role.

by Anonymousreply 25109/08/2020

[quote] Was "Sadie Thompson" recorded?

Not with June it wasn’t, unfortunately. A few years ago, there was a studio recording, but the boring & inappropriate Melissa Errico sang the title role.

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Thanks, r252. For you, r247...

It's not a very memorable score, alas.

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Dolores Gray recorded a couple of the numbers for Ben Bagley.

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Pics

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[quote]I know that most people here already know this, but for the few who don't, June Havoc began her career as a child star in vaudeville. She was known as Baby June and her sister Louise was also in her act.

Gee -- now why hasn't someone turned THAT story into a musical!

by Anonymousreply 25609/08/2020

I see that my quip about Sondheim's book has been regifted as a thread title.

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At least June got a Hirschfeld out of it...

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R249 interesting that June was able to transition from vaudeville to Broadway, but her sister had to go the way of burlesque. Was it as difficult for vaudevellians to transition like that after vaudeville ended as it was for silent movie actors to transition to talkies when the silent era ended?

by Anonymousreply 25909/08/2020

"The Men From The Boys" is not very good. It doesn't really go anywhere and is rather dull. Sequels sometimes just do NOT work because the story has already been told and is finished.

by Anonymousreply 26009/08/2020

Didn't Louise make Broadway before June?

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Between Vaudeville and Broadway, June had to do the marathons, r259. And don't you remember? Louise was the one with *no* talent.

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WaPo: New York City can’t rebound without Broadway. And Broadway’s road back is uncertain:

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"Sequels sometimes just do NOT work because the story has already been told and is finished."

Such as the totally unnecessary sequel to Chinatown, The Two Jakes. J.J Gittes, like Maria at the end of WSS (as astutely observed by Richard Rodgers), is, spiritually speaking, dead. GIttes' (spoiler alert) inability to save Mrs. Mulwray in the wake of an earlier tragedy in his life is the final chapter of the story and there is nothing more to say.

by Anonymousreply 26409/08/2020

r261 - June's first Broadway appearance was in Forbidden Melody (Nov 02, 1936 - Nov 28, 1936). Louise's was under the name Rose Louise as "Girl in Compartment" in Hot-Cha! (Mar 08, 1932 - Jun 18, 1932).

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Starmites!

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I'm reading Andrew Lloyd-Webber's autobio (I'm late to the party). I'm up to the point of JCS moving to Broadway. He says that he auditioned Bette Midler and was blown away by her version of "I Don't Know How To Love Him" and she would have gotten the role if he hadn't already promised it to Yvonne Elliman.

by Anonymousreply 26709/08/2020

Why was he auditioning Bette in the first place then?

by Anonymousreply 26809/08/2020

r268

understudy? future replacement?

by Anonymousreply 26909/08/2020

R269 But Yvonne wasn't going to be her own understudy or replacement, so Midler could've been cast as those.

by Anonymousreply 27009/08/2020

Robert Stigwood Organization (RSO) produced the original Broadway production. Pete Brown, who was basically the overseer of ALW and the JCS project, asked him to audition Bette as a favor.

Bette only got the audition because there were a lot of gay men involved in the producing side of things.

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Gay men? In the theatah?! I’m shocked, I tell you. Shocked.

by Anonymousreply 27209/09/2020

r272

in the legitimate theatah though?

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Stigwood's company owned the film rights. The efforts to get a film made went on for years. At one point Ken Russell wanted to direct Liza Minnelli in a film version and the Stigwood org produced an extended screen test.

For whatever reason, Stigwood ruled Liza out and that caused Russell to drop out. But that screen test survives somewhere and is legendary. It's known to exist in a few private collections and probably in whatever archives there are of the Stigwood org, but it has never leaked on the net or anywhere else for the rest of us to see.

by Anonymousreply 27409/09/2020

R274 is referring to Evita, by the way. Not JCS. Would love to see that screen test!

by Anonymousreply 27509/09/2020

Jeshush Chrisht Shupershtar!

by Anonymousreply 27609/09/2020

Liza didn't sound like Sean Connery back then!

by Anonymousreply 27709/09/2020

Does anyone have Curious Incident of the Dog? It was posted before, but the search is not bringing it up.

by Anonymousreply 27809/09/2020

The video of Curious incident is distorted. If you down load it and widen it to fit screen, it will undistort it.

I have it but cannot upload it. But it is out there.

by Anonymousreply 27909/09/2020

Whom would you theater aficionados cast in the all-black version of " Follies"?

by Anonymousreply 28009/09/2020

Clarke Peters has already played Benjamin Stone, right?

by Anonymousreply 28109/09/2020

Peters dropped out of Follies before it was performed

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Beyonce *is* Phyllis Rogers Stone

Queen Latifah *is* Stella

by Anonymousreply 28309/09/2020

Brandy as Sally, Monica as Phyllis. Ray J as the waiter.

by Anonymousreply 28409/09/2020

Damn, Andrew Scott is good.

Thanks r244

Hope I get to see him on stage some day.

by Anonymousreply 28509/09/2020

Leslie Uggams would have made a great Sally when she was younger. Now she could probably do Hattie perhaps.

by Anonymousreply 28609/09/2020

Diahann Carroll might have made a good Phyllis.

by Anonymousreply 28709/09/2020

I would happily watch Andrew Scott read the user manual for my blender.

by Anonymousreply 28809/09/2020

Kathleen Battle for Heidi (but warning: she does not play well with others).

by Anonymousreply 28909/09/2020

Carol Channing (who was part black) might have made a fun Stella.

by Anonymousreply 29009/09/2020

Ruth Pointer might be a fun Stella.

by Anonymousreply 29109/09/2020

James Earl Jones as Dmitri Weismann.

by Anonymousreply 29209/09/2020

Lonette McKee might have made a great Sally.

by Anonymousreply 29309/09/2020

or Marilyn McCoo

by Anonymousreply 29409/09/2020

I guess Audra as Stella perhaps? Sorry but Sally does not look like a linebacker.

by Anonymousreply 29509/09/2020

Eddie Murphy as Buddy

by Anonymousreply 29609/09/2020

Baayork Lee as Stella is a possibility -- and the 4 foot 10 would look cute surrounded by bigger dames.

by Anonymousreply 29709/09/2020

Oh, sorry, it was all-black -- but if open to other POCs, Baayork should be considered. Plus it was a Michael Bennett show, and she's made a post-"A Chorus Line" career restaging it around the world.

by Anonymousreply 29809/09/2020

Leslie Uggams as Carlotta, just so we can watch her forget the lyrics to "I'm Still Here".

by Anonymousreply 29909/09/2020

Speaking of Carlotta forgetting lyrics, does anyone have the OLC video bootleg of "Follies"?

by Anonymousreply 30009/09/2020

Norm Lewis as Ben; Jamie Foxx as Buddy.

by Anonymousreply 30109/09/2020

The divine Vivian Reed as Carlotta! Can you imagine...!

by Anonymousreply 30209/09/2020

I wanna hear Rose Murphy's Broadway Baby!

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Redd Foxx might have been fun as Buddy and Moms Mabley as Hattie

by Anonymousreply 30409/09/2020

Hattie McDaniel as Hattie (or Stella) since we're considered long-gone black performers, too. And Butterfly McQueen for the one Hattie didn't play.

by Anonymousreply 30509/09/2020

R278 Anyone does have Curious Incident.

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Candide.

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Copped.

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Is that the forty-leventh script revision of Candide, sorry, Cahndeed, at R307? The Cunegonde is waaaay too old, but the orchestra sounds fantastic. Nice to see Nickolas Grace as Voltaire/Pangloss/Etc.

by Anonymousreply 30909/09/2020

^ Nickolas is having a ball.

by Anonymousreply 31009/09/2020

^ Nickolas is having a ball.

by Anonymousreply 31109/09/2020

Is that Sienna Miller in your link, R308? What the hell is that show?

by Anonymousreply 31209/09/2020

Clarke Peters was too short for Ben, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 31309/09/2020

Gregory Hines for Buddy!

by Anonymousreply 31409/09/2020

R312 It is hell....on earth.

by Anonymousreply 31509/09/2020

Flip Wilson as Geraldine as Stella!

by Anonymousreply 31609/09/2020

Lena Horne IS—WAS—Phyllis. And in this production, let Phyllis sing I'm Still Here.

Ethel Waters as Stella

Josephine Baker as Hattie

Dorothy Dandridge as Sally

by Anonymousreply 31709/09/2020

I guess Follies with an all dead cast might have a certain charm.

by Anonymousreply 31809/09/2020

Josephine Baker is a Solange.

by Anonymousreply 31909/09/2020

(Young) Jimmie "J.J. Walker or Fred Berry (Rerun from "What's Happening") as Buddy, LaWanda Page (Aunt Esther) as Stella (doing it like a revival meeting), Clifton Davis as Ben, Shirley Hemphill (*What's Happening) as Hattie

by Anonymousreply 32009/09/2020

Jimmie Walker would insist on Ann Coulter as Phyllis.

by Anonymousreply 32109/09/2020

Young Harry Belafonte as Ben, now as Dmitri Weissman

by Anonymousreply 32209/09/2020

Shirley Bassey as Carlotta.

by Anonymousreply 32309/09/2020

Ben Vereen doing Bolero D'Amour with Judith Jamison

by Anonymousreply 32409/09/2020

Nell Carter as Sally.

by Anonymousreply 32509/09/2020

Brian Stokes Mitchell (remember him?) as Ben.

by Anonymousreply 32609/09/2020

Vanessa Williams as Phyllis.

Viola Davis as Sally.

by Anonymousreply 32709/09/2020

Cleavon Little as Ben

Josephine Premice as Carlotta

by Anonymousreply 32809/09/2020

Harolyn Blackwell as Heidi.

by Anonymousreply 32909/09/2020

Della Reese as Stella

by Anonymousreply 33009/09/2020

Lonette McKee as Phyllis

by Anonymousreply 33109/09/2020

This all-black Follies idea is worse than Covid.

by Anonymousreply 33209/09/2020

An all black FOLLIES cast has a greater chance of being wiped out by Covid.

by Anonymousreply 33309/09/2020

R243 thank you for sharing!

by Anonymousreply 33409/09/2020

I’d rather see an all-Black Carrie before an all-Black Follies, if I’m being honest.

by Anonymousreply 33509/09/2020

Countess Vaughan as Carrie.

by Anonymousreply 33609/09/2020

I liked Follies with ILL cast. Lucy/Phyllis, Viv/Sally, Ricky/Ben, Fred/Buddy, Mrs Trumbul as Hattie.

by Anonymousreply 33709/09/2020

And drunk Joan Crawford lipsyncing "I'm Still Here."

by Anonymousreply 33809/09/2020

Moms Mabley would have rocked as Hattie!

by Anonymousreply 33909/09/2020

Former vaudevillian Frawley would have done the definite Buddy's Blues.

by Anonymousreply 34009/09/2020

Maybe heaven is just a well produced production of Follies with a rotating cast of legends stepping into the roles.

by Anonymousreply 34109/09/2020

Heaven Follies has THE BEST Loveland!

by Anonymousreply 34209/09/2020

Just when you thought yet another discussion of "Follies" couldn't get any more tedious than all the others on DL.

by Anonymousreply 34309/09/2020

I need a drink after all the Follies! talk.

Does nobody like me!!!

Merrily

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[quote]I know one can't and shouldn't critique an entire project based on a poorly-recorded five-minute excerpt. But Jesus fucking Christ: Mrs Doubtfire looks like an abortion.

Sadly, I have to agree. Is that actually the voice Rob McClure actually uses as Mrs. Doubtfire? That's incredible. Other male actors in drag have managed to create the impression that they were women without speaking in ridiculous, stereotypical, high-pitched voices -- Santino Fontana comes immediately to mind -- but McClure sounds so much like a guy that no one would ever believe he was a woman as soon as he opened his mouth. Very surprising.

[quote]With scant exceptions, the American musical was dead long before March of this year.

Not quite dead, because of those few shining exceptions. But those few shining exceptions have become fewer and fewer in recent seasons.

by Anonymousreply 34509/09/2020

"Maybe heaven is just a well produced production of Follies with a rotating cast of legends stepping into the roles."

It will be when I get there. I hope Hal isn't stuffing it up already.

by Anonymousreply 34609/10/2020

Stuffing it up whom?

by Anonymousreply 34709/10/2020

They should retool "Mrs. Doubtfire" for Chris Colfer. He can do a convincing lady voice. They could also make the dad bi.

by Anonymousreply 34809/10/2020

What we need is a version of Mrs. Doubtfire where the dad learns, via dressing as a woman, that he’s actually trans. It ends with him proudly transitioning and becoming the fierce and beautiful Ms. Doubtfire. (If McClure wants to continue in the role, he’ll need to have his cock chopped off. A small price to pay for winning the Tony Award for Best Performance by an Acting Non-Gendered Person in a Musical.)

by Anonymousreply 34909/10/2020

Tiffany Haddish as Carrie, Mo'nique as Mom

by Anonymousreply 35009/10/2020

Brantley's leaving the Times.

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I remember how good Larry Kert looked at one point dressed almost topless in a Tarzan costume during one number in "Music, Music!" at City Center years ago!

by Anonymousreply 35209/10/2020

It's sad that so many Black artists can be named (for Follies) from years gone by but no one has replaced them. It's not quite the same for white artists but it's not like there is a long list there either.

What happened to talent?

by Anonymousreply 35309/10/2020

Brantley is finally going!!! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! So, who will the Times replace him with? PRAY it isn't that pompous, ridiculous idiot, Hilton Als.

by Anonymousreply 35409/10/2020

What happened to talent?

Electronic media. The camera demands bone structure. We are now awash in photogenic people whose only talent is being photogenic. The stage demands talent, but the stage is irrelevant to modern show business and the modern stage is nearly irrelevant to our culture. Since there are insufficient opportunities in live performance, talent does not grow, does not develop. Even worse, live performance does not attract great talent in large numbers. Live theater will always be around, in some form. But it no longer has any economic importance. And without it, not much happens there.

by Anonymousreply 35509/10/2020

Brantley is getting out before Mrs. Doubtfire gets to NYC. And who could blame him?

by Anonymousreply 35609/10/2020

I think you can pretty much count on Als. Alas.

by Anonymousreply 35709/10/2020

[quote] What happened to talent?

People who had no taste were put in charge.

by Anonymousreply 35809/10/2020

Yes. Have you seen who's been running the casting couch in recent decades?

by Anonymousreply 35909/10/2020

r355 In these past lockdown months as I have begun acquainting myself with theater I did notice that Broadway has leaned toward casting for looks as well in some cases. Since you really do need to sing if you are in a musical these good looking people have the singing chops but may not have any charisma or any true acting chops to go with it.

I do get that productions worry less about how good an actor someone is if they can bring the vocals as needed. For me I'd be happy with a plain leading man or lady who has a great voice, stage presence and deliver a good acting performance.

I was watching Bernadette Peters in Hello Dolly last night thinking that the woman who plays Irene Malloy might make a great Dolly Levi. I also thought the same thing of Heidi Blickenstaff who played Bea in Something Rotten. Both women know how to give a performance and have good voices and because of their acting abilities could create a memorable Dolly, memorable in a good way.

BP's voice is not up to the task at all but she makes up for it by being Bernadette Peters and she knows how to create some sweet moments because she's a good actress.

I've included the link I was watching for Dolly.

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Broadway musicals, in the past several years, seem to ALWAYS place vocals above acting. I guess that's what you get in the American Idol zeitgeist.

by Anonymousreply 36109/10/2020

Merging choruses (dancing chorus/ensemble, singing chorus) was the death knell. By the same token, demanding "true" triple threats fucked up the game.

by Anonymousreply 36209/10/2020

A Jack of all Threats is a master of None.

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[Quote] Broadway musicals, in the past several years, seem to ALWAYS place vocals above acting. I guess that's what you get in the American Idol zeitgeist.

As someone has pointed out before, the Super Musicals of the 1970s/1980s, particularly ALW, put emphasis on the production. The production is what was sold around the world. Performers had to slot in but the production was the star. "Wicked" is the descendant of that.

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[quote]Broadway musicals, in the past several years, seem to ALWAYS place vocals above acting. I guess that's what you get in the American Idol zeitgeist.

This has been the case since the sung-through musicals came on the scene in the late 1970s. It used to be they cast actors who could sometimes sing.

You listen to Mary Martin and she didn't have a spectacular voice. Gwen Verdon had a huge wobble in her voice. Ethel Merman had power but no subtlety. Roz Russell barely had seven notes. Same for Gertrude Lawrence (listen to The King & I, some of the most beautiful theater music all within a seven note range).

by Anonymousreply 36509/10/2020

R365 I mostly agree with you, but I think Merman had more than just power. She didn't sing softly very often (and her soft was probably ten times louder than anyone else's), but I think she sounds lovely singing Gypsy's "Small World" and some of the love songs in Annie Get Your Gun.

And Barbara Cook could certainly sing AND act.

by Anonymousreply 36609/10/2020

[quote] And Barbara Cook could certainly sing AND act.

I agree with you, but Barbara Cook never entered the mainstream conscious. She was never as high profile as Mary and Ethel and the other Golden Age broads.

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[quote]As someone has pointed out before, the Super Musicals of the 1970s/1980s, particularly ALW, put emphasis on the production. The production is what was sold around the world. Performers had to slot in but the production was the star. "Wicked" is the descendant of that.

Personally I think that strategy failed. Again I'm not a long time theater goer and I'm still not a theater goer just watching bootlegs on the internet, but it matters to me the performance being delivered.

I've said before I hated Phantom because I knew theater queens in the 80's who tried to get me to love it and I just didn't. But seeing Phantom at the Royal Albert Hall was amazing due to Sierra Boggess and Ramin Karimloo's chemistry. They put on a great performance, the kind I'd expect to see going to the theater. You don't get that just switching people around like game pieces. Shows should be cast in order to find exactly that kind of chemistry between performers, it adds a layer to the larger than life spectacle of the show.

Is money the reason they want revolving casts? They can change leads before they can ask for more money?

by Anonymousreply 36809/10/2020

[quote]r353 BP's voice is not up to the task at all but she makes up for it by being Bernadette Peters and she knows how to create some sweet moments because she's a good actress.

Bernadette PETERS is a goddamn aging MOON CALF who CRIES during every song she's ever SUNG!

by Anonymousreply 36909/10/2020

Well observed.

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Bernadette did SITPWG off Broadway in shitty conditions for no money because she believed in Sondheim and wanted to help him restart. We should all be grateful.

by Anonymousreply 37109/10/2020

She has Reba's Tony.

by Anonymousreply 37209/10/2020

Incidentally, remember when the Tonys created a Best Replacement category circa 2006 but didn't nominate anyone that year. By the following season, they had already eliminated the category. WTF was that all about?

by Anonymousreply 37309/10/2020

Bernadette Peters is a god-damned national TREASURE, bitch. She has been the single biggest Broadway star for the last 50 years.

by Anonymousreply 37409/10/2020

Thanks for posting Bernadette's Dolly, R360. She was miles better than Betty Buckley who I saw on the tour. Gotta say, I got a little misty-eyed watching the production numbers in that bootleg. Guess I just miss good musicals, even the cornball ones. Also, does Gavin Creel have an I Don't Do Bootlegs clause in his contract? His understudy was on when someone recorded the Dolly bootleg with Bette. No complaints about the understudy, of course. And that Charlie Stemp is pretty cute. Perfect role for him.

by Anonymousreply 37509/10/2020

Don't we think Jesse Green will end up with the slot? Hilton Als doesn't write for the average NYT reader.

by Anonymousreply 37609/10/2020

I would sooner Walter Kerr came back from the grave than the navel-gazing Als become the Times' lead theater critic. (And if they can resurrect Kerr, can they bring back Al Hirschfeld, too?)

by Anonymousreply 37709/10/2020

Remember when Margo Jefferson was the second string theatre critic? That was a fuckin nightmare....Speaking of deposed TIMES theatre critics, did Isherwood's firing ever go to arbitration? What happened?

by Anonymousreply 37809/10/2020

R375 Gavin Creel is absent on the (one-and-only widely-circulated) videos of "Dolly!" with Bette and Bernadette. There are, however, three with Donna Murphy, and Creel does manage to appear on the first two.

by Anonymousreply 37909/10/2020

r365 - But when Gwen wobbled with her legs she was magic, r365. Actually I found her to have a very warm and winning musical theater voice and it wasn't all that wobbly in the '50s.

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and...

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Als is Black. It will be him.

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There has to be a part for ME in Follies. I would make sure it was a financial hit, unlike the other lame productions.

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Dame Diana....like it was.

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Miss Campion's soprano range...

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Wha....wha....???

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[quote]Actually I found her to have a very warm and winning musical theater voice and it wasn't all that wobbly in the '50s.

All that vibrato made theater patrons seasick. I actually think the wobble in later years came because she was a high-vibrato singer. The vibrato turned into wobble.

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Oh, here's that Cavett interview with Shirley Booth I watched a while back.

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Re the question of there being no contemporary black theatre stars who could do Follies, Cynthia Erivo as Phyllis and Audra as Sally. Someone already mentioned Brian Stokes Mitchell as Ben, although he’s going to age out of being right for it soon.

by Anonymousreply 38909/10/2020

Gwen's voice started off quite strong in "Damn Yankees" and she even had some head voice in her one sung recorded song in "Can-Can". She was a wonderful singing actress, as well as of course, an incredible dancer. She studied with Sanford Meisner and got reviews for "New Girl in Town" that compared her Anna Christie favorably to Greta Garbo's! So her voice was tired by "Chicago" -- she was otherwise terrific.

by Anonymousreply 39009/10/2020

R386, that was in January at the Montalban in LA.

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There are no stars on Broadway these days. Even Peters and LuPone can't guarantee a big turnout. This is why they always end up casting big movie or TV stars to step into shows if they want to make money. Sometimes, they're perfect for the roles anyway on top of being big box office bait like Bette Midler in Dolly and, sometimes, they're an untalented Real Housewife stepping into Chicago for a month or so to give business a boost.

A lot of the younger performers are very talented in a bland way, but none of them are stars or have enough charisma to carry a show. They can sing, act, and dance as well as one another but none of them stand out. Someone like Gavin Creel or Jonathan Groff come to mind. They're undeniably talented, but I never remember their performances after the show has been over for an hour or two. They leave no impression except that they didn't embarrass themselves and sang in key.

by Anonymousreply 39209/10/2020

Gwen sounded like a granny on the Sweet Charity OBC. It's especially obvious when compared to Juliet Prowse on the OLC. Verdon is still her endearing self but it takes me out of the story to think Granny is on the game...

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The Apples - Play One.

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The (fucking) Gabriels - Play two.

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The Gabriels - Play Three.

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[quote] [R386], that was in January at the Montalban in LA.

And it was a huge flop. They canceled a few performances due to lackluster ticket sales and the thing only ran for two weeks to begin with.

by Anonymousreply 39709/10/2020

You mean the Huntington Hartford, r391.

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Mount Rushmore

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Women Behind Bars was produced to be videoed. It was a big, glossy production with a great cast, and cameras everywhere.

They even asked the audience to stay for reaction shots.

I do look forward to seeing the video, but the show has not aged well.

by Anonymousreply 40009/10/2020

[quote]You mean the Huntington Hartford

I only go back to the "Doolittle" era, r398.

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[quote]Cynthia Erivo as Phyllis and Audra as Sally...

You've got backward R389. Cynthia would be a terrific Sally, and Audra would be her match as Phyllis (if only she could dance...)

by Anonymousreply 40209/10/2020

r402

she could do ah but underneath or uptown dowtown(which has one of my favorite Sondheim lyrics even though it's a n embarrassing lyric) which have their charm

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[quote]Live theater will always be around, in some form. But it no longer has any economic importance. And without it, not much happens there.

Well, that's not true. Theater is still (obviously) tremendously important to NYC economically, as has become all the more evident in the current crisis. The profits to be earned on Broadway are obviously far smaller than the potential profits from film, TV, and other media, but that is not news.

[quote]Merman had more than just power. She didn't sing softly very often (and her soft was probably ten times louder than anyone else's), but I think she sounds lovely singing Gypsy's "Small World" and some of the love songs in Annie Get Your Gun.

I generally agree with you about Merman, but it is still true that she almost never sang softly and lyrically. As evidenced by a live recording of her in GYPSY, she sings "Small World" VERY differently on the cast album than she did in the show, and even the arrangement and orchestration is different.

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[quote]All that vibrato made theater patrons seasick. I actually think the wobble in later years came because she was a high-vibrato singer. The vibrato turned into wobble.

You don't really know what you're talking about. If you listen to Verdon's singing on her earlier cast recordings, like CAN-CAN and DAMN YANKEES, she was not a "high-vibrato singer" in those days. Her severe vocal deterioration in her later years was for other reasons.

[quote]A lot of the younger performers are very talented in a bland way, but none of them are stars or have enough charisma to carry a show. They can sing, act, and dance as well as one another but none of them stand out. Someone like Gavin Creel or Jonathan Groff come to mind. They're undeniably talented, but I never remember their performances after the show has been over for an hour or two. They leave no impression except that they didn't embarrass themselves and sang in key.

Jonathan Groff is a big theater star, as evidenced by the sold-out status of LITTLE SHOP while he was in it. He also sold huge lots of tickets to a whole new audience at the 92Y when he did that Bobby Darin show there. Gavin Creel may not sell lots of tickets on his name alone, but has exceptionally beautiful singing voice and sings very well in several different styles, plus he's a very appealing actor.

by Anonymousreply 40509/10/2020

The majority of people in musical theatre "perform." And that is not acting.

by Anonymousreply 40609/10/2020

It won’t be Als; it will be a woman.

by Anonymousreply 40709/10/2020

Jackee!

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[quote]The majority of people in musical theatre "perform." And that is not acting.

That's a whopping generalization, and a silly and disrespectful one. Of course, the right style of acting for a show depends on the style of that particular show. The acting required for DEAR EVAN HANSEN is a lot different than the style that's required and appropriate for THE BOOK OF MORMON, or for that matter, for CHICAGO or THE MUSIC MAN.

by Anonymousreply 40909/10/2020

[quote] You've got backward

I don’t think so, Cynthia Erivo is sleek beautiful, and arrogant. She’s a Phyllis. Audra is given to slight overweight and can easily play vulnerable. Plus Audra’s voice is more suited to Sally’s “soprano-with-some-major-low-notes” range.

by Anonymousreply 41009/10/2020

Perhaps,R409. But in any style, the truth of the character being portrayed has to come through or there is nothing but performance. It might as well be baton twirling.

by Anonymousreply 41109/10/2020

The only way Cynthia Erivo could play Phyllis is if "Sally" was in a wheelchair. Cyn is a midget.

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[quote] Her severe vocal deterioration in her later years was for other reasons.

Primarily smoking.

by Anonymousreply 41309/10/2020

r409 singers who want to be onstage often THINK they can act, but the majority have no idea how to truly inhabit a character.

by Anonymousreply 41409/10/2020

R409 the difference between those styles, for most musical theater performers, is how loud they are and how often they let themselves face front.

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[quote]Singers who want to be onstage often THINK they can act, but the majority have no idea how to truly inhabit a character.

"The majority?" Have you done a study of this? How much a of a majority? 51 percent? 63 percent? 90 percent? Please enlighten us.

by Anonymousreply 41609/10/2020

r416 works at Telsey

by Anonymousreply 41709/10/2020

R414 is the typical DL theatre queen who makes pronouncements and deigns to declare to us his ultimate, & only correct, opinion on what bad actors musical theatre actors are,

by Anonymousreply 41809/10/2020

[quote]R373 remember when the Tonys created a Best Replacement category circa 2006 but didn't nominate anyone that year. By the following season, they had already eliminated the category. WTF was that all about?

Rudeness!

by Anonymousreply 41909/10/2020

R418 musical theater fosters a culture of performative acting. People who only know that world learn bad habits. Not all are this way, there are some phenomenal actors who also do musicals. But for the most part, their idea of acting is, in my opinion, inferior. There are some great voices, though.

by Anonymousreply 42009/10/2020

r413

who are you talking about?

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Cynthia Erivo is 33 and looks about 25 onstage - why is anyone suggesting her for Follies? Sharon Clarke on the other hand would be an interesting Sally, she was great in Caroline or Change.

Can Viola Davis sing? She would act the shit out of Gypsy.

Cicely Tyson lip-synching to Audra doing One More Kiss for the movie, honey!

by Anonymousreply 42209/11/2020

Many musical theater performers act very well when singing, but fall flat delivering lines. It must be their musical theater training, where the emphasis is almost exclusively on acting the song.

by Anonymousreply 42309/11/2020

But what of style and idiosyncrasy and star quality? Can it be taught? I've heard directors complain that it seems to be "trained away" in some musical theatre programs. At the same time, remember when directors used to be able truly to help an actor craft a performance?

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Depressing news...

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It would be weird for the NYT to add a second full-time theater critic at a time when there's no theater to review. I still haven't figured out what the two full-time movie critics are doing with their time.

by Anonymousreply 42609/11/2020

The coverage about Brantley's departure was clear. They will name a replacement eventually, but will take their time in doing so, due to the pandemic and the lack of need for two full-time co-critics.

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Coming Attractions...

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Fun fact from Andrew Lloyd Webber's autobiography.

In the original recording of Tell Me On A Sunday, Sheldon Bloom's secretary was voiced by DL fave Elaine Stritch!

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Highly appropriate for a Theatre Gossip thread subtitled "Finishing the Hate," the following was Tweeted by someone yesterday: "Notice how only white people are sending Ben Brantley off with support. That’s who he wrote for, no one else, and that has been the problem the entire time that you all willfully ignore. This is actually gaslighting tbh."

Aside from everything else, I have no idea what "gaslighting" is supposed to mean in this context.

[quote]Many musical theater performers act very well when singing, but fall flat delivering lines. It must be their musical theater training, where the emphasis is almost exclusively on acting the song.

Can you name a few examples of any successful, well-known performers whom you think fit into this category? Because I'm having trouble thinking of any. With such a tremendous talent pool and so many people who can act and sing exceptionally well (and maybe also dance), there is literally no need to hire anyone who can't do both.

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[quote]"Notice how only white people are sending Ben Brantley off with support.

No, I didn't notice. Only radical leftists; they are the ones who notice a person's skin color, first and foremost.

by Anonymousreply 43109/11/2020

[quote]No, I didn't notice. Only radical leftists; they are the ones who notice a person's skin color, first and foremost.

Bingo.

by Anonymousreply 43209/11/2020

Anyone who claims they do not notice a person's skin color or gender is lying.

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[quote]They're undeniably talented, but I never remember their performances after the show has been over for an hour or two. They leave no impression except that they didn't embarrass themselves and sang in key.

My feelings about Jessie Mueller.

by Anonymousreply 43409/11/2020

[quote]I have no idea what "gaslighting" is supposed to mean in this context.

It's become the new "mansplaining"

by Anonymousreply 43509/11/2020

Can’t we just hate Ben because he was a star-fucker?

And not in a good way.

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[quote]My feelings about Jessie Mueller.

Jessie Mueller is one of the most talented performers ever to appear on Broadway. She apparently can sing and act in just about any style, and has been brilliant in roles ranging from Carole King in BEAUTIFUL to Carrie Pipperidge in CAROUSEL. (I didn't love her as Julie Jordan in CAROUSEL, but that wasn't her fault.) A similar type of talent is Stephanie Block. That kind of great, chameleon-like talent is a different kind of talent than that possessed by people like Ethel Merman or Patti LuPone or Carol Channing, but it's not any lesser, just different. And if you can't appreciate it, I weep for you.

[quote]I have no idea what "gaslighting" is supposed to mean in this context. It's become the new "mansplaining"

I looked up "gaslighting" or "gaslight," and it means what I thought it meant: "to manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity." How that applies to Ben Brantley in any way is beyond me.

by Anonymousreply 43709/11/2020

You know what we haven't discussed in a while? High school productions of FOLLIES with bad wigs.

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The term comes from an old film of the same name (alternatively called "Angel Street". Very creepy.

by Anonymousreply 43909/11/2020

Ethel Merman, Patti LuPone and Carol Channing were all personalities. Same with Bernadette Peters. They're good when they stay in their wheelhouse, but they're not really actresses who create different characters.

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Great that you looked up gaslighting 437 because that must be how you formed your opinion about Jessie Mueller.

If she is one of the most talented then Broadway needs to do some digging and find more talent. And if you notice I did not say she was not talented, just that she is not memorable.

I agree she is not a Julie Jordan, she made a much better Carrie Pipperidge but there are probably people that could do it better. She can switch singing styles and she sounds good in each style but that does not mean she has any IT factor as a performer.

This is what I said

[quote]undeniably talented, but I never remember their performances after the show has been over for an hour or two. They leave no impression except that they didn't embarrass themselves and sang in key.

She's great when you are watching her perform but forgettable after.

by Anonymousreply 44109/11/2020

I think we've had more than enough YouTube examples of high school productions of "Follies" with bad wigs.

by Anonymousreply 44209/11/2020

If the Times hires the uber awful Elizabeth Vinctenwhateverthefuck, I'm cancelling my subscription. She is literally the worst. Read the "Producers" style rave she gave the middling "Something Rotten" and you'll see what we have to deal with. She also wrote an essay celebrating crap like "Bat Out of Hell." Please Times, find another woman....She's just terrible.

by Anonymousreply 44309/11/2020

Here's a question for discerning Broadway fans. In Andrew Lloyd Webber's book, he says that reviews for Evita on Broadway were mostly negative and after the opening, business was slow at first. He writes:

[quote]Broadway folklore has it that it was Robert [Stigwood] who turned Evita around with the first ever TV advertising campaign for a musical.

But Evita wasn't the first, was it? There were commercials for A Chorus Line, Pippin, Chicago and others. Weren't they playing before the Evita commercial (which I admit is my favorite of the Broadway commercials).

by Anonymousreply 44409/11/2020

R405 Agree about Gwen's voice -- it's more the progressive effects of cigarette smoking over the years, but she started out with a big voice belting out "A Little Brains-A Little Talent" and "Whatever Lola Wants" in "Damn Yankees" before body mics yet. Jonathan Groff may have sold tickets for "Little Shop" but that was for an off-Broadway house, quite a bit smaller than a Broadway house, so while he has a following, it's untested as to how big it is.

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[quote]The term comes from an old film of the same name (alternatively called "Angel Street". Very creepy.

Two old films, actually, both titled "Gaslight": A British version released in 1940, and the Hollywood version from 1944 that starred Ingrid Bergman and Charles Boyer and marked the movie debut of Angela Lansbury, who received an Oscar nomination as best supporting actress for her performance.

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[quote]I think we've had more than enough YouTube examples of high school productions of "Follies" with bad wigs.

Yes, please from now on only post high school productions of "Follies" with good-to-excellent wigs.

And not videos where the school slut is playing Carlotta.

by Anonymousreply 44709/11/2020

You can tell because she keeps screaming, [italic]”Line!”

by Anonymousreply 44809/11/2020

No problem, r442. We can totally move on to high school productions of Sunset Blvd....

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I hate my phone!

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[quote]r429 Fun fact: In the original recording of Tell Me On A Sunday, Sheldon Bloom's secretary was voiced by DL fave Elaine Stritch!

You can tell because she keeps screaming, “Line!”

by Anonymousreply 45009/11/2020

Stephanie J Block is truly an example of an incredible actress with an incredible voice. Love her.

by Anonymousreply 45109/11/2020

R446 Tony Winner Ingrid Berman for "Joan of Lorraine" also won Best Actress Oscar for "Gaslight"

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[quote]Two old films, actually, both titled "Gaslight": A British version released in 1940, and the Hollywood version from 1944

The original London stage play was titled "Gas Light." For Broadway, for whatever reason, the title was changed to "Angel Street." Because of that, the 1940 film was released as "Gaslight" in the UK and "Angel Street" in the US. The 1944 film was released everywhere as "Gaslight."

by Anonymousreply 45309/11/2020

R 444 Pippin is the musical that is usually cited as turning it box office around with one of the first (if not the first) commercial for a Bway show.

Evita had a great commercial but after Pippin, Chicago, Sarava! etc the claim that it was "the first" is bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 45409/11/2020

The pile-on on Ben Brantley continues, and it's delicious. At least to some of us.

Here's composer Stephen Trask (HEDWIG & THE ANGRY INCH).

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What about discussing all-black high school versions of Follies with bad wigs?

by Anonymousreply 45609/11/2020

"this drunken, hateful prune..."

by Anonymousreply 45709/11/2020

Steven Trask. Another Broadway one-hit wonder...Everything since Hedwig has sucked/tanked.

by Anonymousreply 45809/11/2020

Maybe Trask should write better music

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Tony Awards 1974 Bette Midler receives a special Tony presented by Johnny Carson

Man oh man has her face changed. She got so much "baby fat" on her face in the clip. I think she looks better now.

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And just exactly what would you say to us if we fucking ignored "a person's skin color, first and foremost"?

Damned if I do. Double damned if I don't.

by Anonymousreply 46109/11/2020

R458 Has he done anything since Hedwig? I know he's scored some films, but has he tried any other shows?

by Anonymousreply 46209/11/2020

This old blog post about Brantley's misogyny is making the rounds on social media as well.

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Whether one agrees with these POVs or not...

The more I see of this online, the more I think these contributed to Brantley's stepping down.

Ding. Dong.

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[quote]People aren't celebrating Ben Brantley's departure because he gave their show a bad review. They're celebrating because he was a hateful person who bullied people with his sexist, racist and transphobic comments. Jesse Green should join him in stepping down

by Anonymousreply 46509/11/2020

[quote] R 444 Pippin is the musical that is usually cited as turning it box office around with one of the first (if not the first) commercial for a Bway show.

Pippin was the first to feature performance footage, but I think 1776 might have actually been the first. I vaguely recall that it was a sort of primitive animation of the logo, with the eagle popping out of the egg. Maybe someone else remembers it as well?

by Anonymousreply 46609/11/2020

I nominate Alex Witchel for the new NY Times theater critic.

by Anonymousreply 46709/11/2020

The issue with modern Broadway performers is that most of them have trained at an arts school where they're told their first jobs will be in the chorus, so they'd better learn how to blend in. Don't be too unique or interesting as it steals focus. They spend most of their early careers doing just that, so when they graduate to lead roles, they're still blending into the scenery.

They're professional and respectable, but there's nothing interesting about them. It's like going to see a decent high school or college performance most of the time where many of the performers have talent, but you don't remember much about them afterwards and don't leave talking or thinking about the performances for days and days afterwards.

I do wonder what would happen if a Merman, Verdon, or Channing showed up a Broadway audition these days? Would they even know what to do with them?

by Anonymousreply 46809/11/2020

So is Fauci saying we won't have theater until mid-2022? Because that's what it sounds like.

by Anonymousreply 46909/11/2020

Merman wouldn't even be allowed to audition. She would be "typed" out.

by Anonymousreply 47009/11/2020

oh god r464 article is drivel.

by Anonymousreply 47109/11/2020

R461, I cannot believe I am saying this, but you should indeed ignore "a person's skin color, first and foremost" when hiring, when evaluating personal qualities, and when evaluating the ideas and opinions of a person.

However, to claim that you do not notice skin color is usually a red flag, since it means you are either lying or not taking someone in. You take in hair color, accent, height and many other physical attributes, but ignore them as indicators of personal worth. To claim you do not notice skin color would indicate that it is a physical attribute you cannot notice without taking it as an indication of someone's value.

by Anonymousreply 47209/11/2020

I think when people say they don't notice skin color what they really mean is it doesn't matter to them. No one *doesn't* notice skin color.

by Anonymousreply 47309/11/2020

[quote]I nominate Alex Witchel for the new NY Times theater critic.

Is Walter Monheit available, or does he just do film?

by Anonymousreply 47409/11/2020

[quote]I think when people say they don't notice skin color what they really mean is it doesn't matter to them. No one *doesn't* notice skin color.

So what you say is, "I notice skin color, but it doesn't matter to me."

If you aren't comfortable saying you notice skin color, maybe you have a little notion that it matters more to you than you ever thought it did.

by Anonymousreply 47509/11/2020

[quote]I cannot believe I am saying this, but you should indeed ignore "a person's skin color, first and foremost" when hiring, when evaluating personal qualities, and when evaluating the ideas and opinions of a person.

100% in agreement r472.

by Anonymousreply 47609/11/2020

it's not all that important, r446, but the U.K. film Gaslight, based on a Patrick Hamilton novel, was originally released in the U.S. as Angel Street.

by Anonymousreply 47709/11/2020

Oh, sorry--I see someone else already offered the correction to 446's post.

by Anonymousreply 47809/11/2020

Bless.

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ahhhhhhh. just lovely.

by Anonymousreply 48009/11/2020

Betty rehearsin'...

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Did somebody say....

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From Here To Eternity - Act One.

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From Here To Eternity - Act Two.

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[quote]Great that you looked up gaslighting 437 because that must be how you formed your opinion about Jessie Mueller. If she is one of the most talented then Broadway needs to do some digging and find more talent. And if you notice I did not say she was not talented, just that she is not memorable.

In my opinion, Mueller has given very memorable performances in every show I've seen her in, i.e., every major show she has done in NYC. Her performances are memorable in the sense of an extremely talented actor creating fully realized characterizations in a wide variety of roles while doing a superb job of singing songs written in wildly different styles, as I mentioned. Your definition of "memorable" seems to be a performance given by someone like Carol Channing or Ethel Merman or Patti LuPone, all of whom have very strong, distinctive styles of performing that don't vary much from one role to the next, and who to a certain extent will bend every role to fit their own personalities and vocal styles. To me, that's a very different kind of performance than the ones given by a Jessie Mueller or a Stephanie J. Block, but not necessarily "better" or more memorable.

And P.S., bitch, I already knew what "gaslighting" meant but I looked it up just to be 100 percent sure I was right before posting. And I still say that, however one feels about Ben Brantley, I do not understand how "gaslighting" has anything to do with any aspect of that situation or discussion.

by Anonymousreply 48509/11/2020

R444, just one more example of ALW talking out of his ass. OF COURSE there were TV commercials for Broadway shows before EVITA.

[quote]Agree about Gwen's voice -- it's more the progressive effects of cigarette smoking over the years, but she started out with a big voice belting out "A Little Brains-A Little Talent" and "Whatever Lola Wants" in "Damn Yankees" before body mics yet. Jonathan Groff may have sold tickets for "Little Shop" but that was for an off-Broadway house, quite a bit smaller than a Broadway house, so while he has a following, it's untested as to how big it is.

I didn't mention smoking as a cause of Gwen's vocal deterioration because I couldn't immediately find documentation of whether or not she herself smoked. But even if she didn't, she was obviously around heavy smokers -- including Fosse -- for long periods of time in an era when people could actually smoke DURING REHEARSALS of shows. True, there has been no test as to how big Groff's talent is (!!!!), but it seems pretty large to me, a lot larger since the two FROZENS and his TV shows LOOKING and MINDHUNTER than it was before that.

by Anonymousreply 48609/11/2020

[quote]R481 Betty rehearsin'...

That stringy, worthless cunt.

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Betty & Dot

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R463, how are any of those comments by Brantley even remotely misogynistic? ?

Just because they mention women?? That blog post is ridiculous

by Anonymousreply 48909/11/2020

From the article linked to at R464:

[quote]Why Kushner chose to position Belize as a life-giver and a death-mourner to the openly racist and closeted Cohn mystifies me, and I find it profoundly problematic.

It mystifies you because your capacity for critical thinking is non-existent, and you find it profoundly problematic because......you're an idiot, reactionary SJW.

by Anonymousreply 49009/11/2020

[quote]I do wonder what would happen if a Merman, Verdon, or Channing showed up a Broadway audition these days? Would they even know what to do with them?

They would almost certainly have no careers today, and no one would have any idea what to do with them. But it's also a pointless question, because no musical theater material today is crafted for those kinds of voices and talents.

[quote]How are any of those comments by Brantley even remotely misogynistic? Just because they mention women?? That blog post is ridiculous

Agreed. As ridiculous as the recent insults hurled at the creators of the musical RAGTIME simply because -- they're white, and how dare they write a show that's partly about black people. The theater world has really gone mad, along with most of the rest of the world.

[quote]This old blog post about Brantley's misogyny is making the rounds on social media as well.

Please note that "the old blog post" in question was written by someone willing to identify her only as "Stefani," who is obviously a moron. And though she would probably say my calling her a moron is misogynistic, it's not because she's (presumably) a woman, it's because she's....a moron. Good luck in getting that job writing for the NY Times, Stef!

by Anonymousreply 49109/11/2020

Smith! Foy! Lungs!

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You can tell the MT people who aren't real actors when they appear in a play and can't quite do it. Martin managed "Kind Sir" and "The Skin of Our Teeth" and a heartfelt Emily in an excerpt from "Our Town." Verdon had a strong late career in supporting roles in film. Lupone has proven herself in many plays and has had Mamet write roles for her. Channing did her share of plays and even when the plays were poorly reviewed, she won raves. Stritch did plays as often as musicals. Tony winners Diahann Carroll and Leslie Uggams both have non-musical television chapters in their careers that are as big as anything they did in a musical on Broadway.

You simply don't see this from the crop of women who were young in the late 80s-90s and are now mature leading ladies. Or the juveniles and leading men from then either. They may have their Varese Sarabande or DRG solo CDs that show many sides of their musical talents, but you don't see them carrying major productions of plays. Is it the business or is it them?

To this day there are Tony winners in musical categories who can't make it in a play, they don't dive deep enough into the material or they can't keep a scene bubbling past a page or two. I saw a Tony winner who won Best Supporting Actress in a Musical for a comedic role in an actual (non-musical) comedy play off-Broadway and she was totally unfunny and lost. Chenoweth, Ramirez, and Krakowski are three exceptions who broke through.

by Anonymousreply 49309/11/2020

I saw that From Here to Eternity, and was reminded anew that it was shite!

by Anonymousreply 49409/11/2020

Timmy is bringing it back.

by Anonymousreply 49509/11/2020

[quote]I couldn't immediately find documentation of whether or not she herself smoked

Are you kiding? Gwen Verdon and Bob Fosse both smoked like chimneys.

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Martin's Our Town...

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Viv's Skin/Teeth...

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Was Merman a smoker?

by Anonymousreply 49909/12/2020

r498 - How the hell do you musicalize *that*?

by Anonymousreply 50009/12/2020

Poorly r500.

by Anonymousreply 50109/12/2020

I've never seen Emily Webb played by a middle-aged woman before. But Mary was rather touching.

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[quote] I saw a Tony winner who won Best Supporting Actress in a Musical for a comedic role in an actual (non-musical) comedy play off-Broadway and she was totally unfunny and lost.

And that was.....

by Anonymousreply 50309/12/2020

One presumes that Asheilgh desperate ho.

by Anonymousreply 50409/12/2020

Kander and Ebb did a musical version of “The Skin of Our Teeth” that had two productions AMDA couple of workshops. At the Signature in Arlington, Bebe Neuwirth was famously fired early in rehearsals (as Sabina) and replaced with Sheree Renee Scott. Dorothy Loudon played the fortune teller. Then it was done in Connecticut, with Cady Huffman as Sabina and Eartha Kitt as the Fortune Teller. It has one fabulous song, “At the Rialto,” for Sabina. (Another, “Someday, Pasadena,” was cut after Virginia). The rest of the score is decent. The rights expired, though, so it’s dead and buried now.

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Kaye

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Cady's At the Rialto...

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[quote] One presumes that Asheilgh desperate ho.

Ashleigh won her Tony for a play, not a musical.

by Anonymousreply 50809/12/2020

And boy was she brilliant off-Broadway in DOGFIGHT. Not her, I presume.

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Kaye - The Show Goes On.

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Memoirs of an Asian Football Casual.

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Has anyone ever heard the score that Jones and Schmidt wrote for their musical version of Our Town?

by Anonymousreply 51209/12/2020

R512. Yes, I saw the show, “Grover’s Corners” at the Marriott Lincolnshire. The music was quite unmemorable. And I love the play “Our Town.”

by Anonymousreply 51309/12/2020

[quote]Ashleigh won her Tony for a play, not a musical.

Who are we talking about? Annaleigh Ashford?

by Anonymousreply 51409/12/2020

There are two or three really good songs in “Grover’s Corners,” especially a duet for George and Emily called “I Notice You.” But beyond that, I agree with r513 - it’s not a memorable score.

by Anonymousreply 51509/12/2020

How many Tony winning Annaleighs are there, dear?

by Anonymousreply 51609/12/2020

If you can access Larry Guittard’s Facebook page, checkout the “conversation” he had with Christopher Guard (Erich/Henrik) on the day Diana Rigg died, regarding the film of Night Music. Apparently Guittard does *not* like Len Cariou, and having Cariou take over as Henrik was his “worst nightmare.” But the juiciest stuff is about Robert Stephens, who was fired because he was constantly drunk.

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[quote]Yes, I saw the show, “Grover’s Corners” at the Marriott Lincolnshire. The music was quite unmemorable. And I love the play “Our Town.”

At one point late in her career, Mary Martin was attached to Jones and Schmidt's musical "Our Town." As the Stage Manager, not as an elderly Emily.

by Anonymousreply 51809/12/2020

Not constantly drunk. Drunk on his first day of shooting.

by Anonymousreply 51909/12/2020

There was, of course, a musical version of "Our Town" written for television in 1955. Frank Sinatra was the Stage Manager, Paul Newman was George and Eva Marie Saint was Emily. The songs, written by Jimmy van Heusen and Sammy Cahn, included "Love and Marriage" (the title of the second act of the play), which became the theme song to "Married With Children."

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Cariou is a bastard. I had to deal with him when I worked for his agent.

by Anonymousreply 52109/12/2020

[quote]Not constantly drunk. Drunk on his first day of shooting.

No. Constantly. He arrived, straight from the plane, drunk. He was charming, but drunk, every time they saw him.

by Anonymousreply 52209/12/2020

I had such a crush on Laurence Guittard while I was growing up listening to cast recordings. Curly. Carl-Magnus, and Fredrik. Out, heir to a fortune, and a part of Broadway history. Isn’t this the gay dream?

by Anonymousreply 52309/12/2020

Only if had also played Rose and/or Phyllis, r523.

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I'm STILL big...

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Lemme show ya, kid!

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There was a televised musical version of "Our Town," starring Paul Newman and Eva Marie Saint. Frank Sinatra played the Stage Manager and introduced the Cahn/Van Heusen standard "Love and Marriage" in the production.

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Sorry, R516 .... I didn't refresh before posting.

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[quote]"Love and Marriage" which became the theme song to "Married With Children."

It also became "Soup and Sandwich," a song for Campbell's soup commercials in the late 60s.

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[quote]How many Tony winning Annaleighs are there, dear?

Well, no one actually used the name Annaleigh in any of the previous posts. I thought someone was misspelling Ashley.

by Anonymousreply 53009/12/2020

R527, meet R520.

by Anonymousreply 53109/12/2020

Matchmaker, matchmaker, r531.

by Anonymousreply 53209/12/2020

R530 is correct. Ashleigh was the name used.

by Anonymousreply 53309/12/2020

From now on she shall be known as Annaford Ashleigh.

by Anonymousreply 53409/12/2020

Patti seems more Gina Lollobrigida than Norma Desmond in the r526 clip.

by Anonymousreply 53509/12/2020

It's just the Gina Lollobrigida in her soul, r535.

by Anonymousreply 53609/12/2020

I'm watching a 1968 episode of NYPD with Miss Donna McKechnie. It's a dreadful TV show and...she can't act, Zach.

by Anonymousreply 53709/12/2020

We all knew what he meant since there are ZERO Tony winning Ashleighs.

by Anonymousreply 53809/12/2020

Whatever happens to Broadway and future shows, classics must not be abandoned or not performed because of the new "wokeness." They are still works of art and deserve to be seen by a new audience. Songs like these must be preserved.

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I met Brantley several years ago and he said that he would soon be the longest-running drama critic at the NYT, besting Brooks Atkinson's record. Did he do that? If not, he was probably pushed out. Or he was juat sick of writing Covid 19-era pieces on how he passed the time by watching ALL ABOUT EVE.

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I think Brooks Atkinson still bested him. Atkinson started as drama critic in 1925 and retired in 1960. In the 1940s, Atkinson served as a war correspondent in China, and then in Moscow, before returning to the critic position, so he didn't stay in the job for the entire 35 years, but I think was probably at it longer, ultimately. When you go back and read Atkinson's reviews, written in the days when critics wrote on deadline on opening night, it's quite remarkable how lucid and sharp his insights are, particularly with shows that would soon become classics.

by Anonymousreply 54109/13/2020

42nd Street 1986 - filmed for Japan TV.

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Gonna *have* to watch!

The Brady Bunch

TODAY, ON KDOCDT3 56.3, 30 MIN 1971 TV-G

SEASON 3 • EPISODE 10 • HER SISTER'S SHADOW • COMEDY / FAMILY

The one that launched a thousand jokes: Jan auditions for the pep squad, hoping to outdo her supersister, “Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!” But when she gets cut, Jan pins her hopes on an essay contest that goes awry. Gwen Van Dam. Jan: Eve Plumb. Mike: Robert Reed...

by Anonymousreply 54309/13/2020

Overall, Atkinson was NYT drama critic for the longest time, but he switched from theater to cover the war and its aftermath for several years in the 40s, so Brantley's is the longest uninterrupted tenure (27 years).

by Anonymousreply 54409/13/2020

Don’t forget, Miscast 2020 is tonight at 7:45, streaming live!

by Anonymousreply 54509/13/2020

Miss Patrice. I can't believe I haven't run across this until now. She's actually a pretty good fit for the role. However you feel about her performance of the song, one can believe she's named Carlotta and has an active sex life with younger men.

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Always love Patrice's belt. There's none of that gurgle you get from sopranos who try to make a belting sound. Love her opera cheat vowel applied to belting at the end - hee-yahhh-uh to get to the most open sound. And yeah, you buy her as Carlotta.

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I simply can't buy Karen Morrow as a Carlotta.

by Anonymousreply 54809/13/2020

Hey R505 how can we hear Someday, Pasadena?

I've been on an obscure K&E kick lately and recently discovered All My Friends Have Gone to California.

by Anonymousreply 54909/13/2020

My friends:

I have just posted a thread about a George Michael song I can never quite make out - entitled [bold]Patti LuPone “Diction” - George Michael Edition.[/bold]

Since those who frequent this thread are the specialists in music, I welcome any comments over there, if you are so inclined : )

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Follies - the eyeglasses!

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The lenses *must* be tinted. Pink....or perhaps bastard amber. I want to see life through FOLLIES-colored glasses.

by Anonymousreply 55209/14/2020

I'm thinking the Paul Rudnick "Coastal Elites" will be done on stage as soon as it's safe to do so. Let's just pray it isn't done at MTC, where Meadow will manage to fuck the whole thing up.

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It was originally slated for the Public, including very specific references in the text. If it’s relevant when people can go to theater, it will be at the Public.

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R554-I'm sure Bette won't be doing it on stage. Linda Lavin, maybe.

by Anonymousreply 55509/14/2020

Sadly, it's going to be relevant for a long, long, time.

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I just read a book called "Life Isn't Everything: Mike Nichols, As Remembered by 150 of His Closest Friends." There isn't a whole lot that could be considered gossip since the comments come from his friends, but some of it might be of interest here. Interestingly, Elaine May is not one of the 150 included in the book.

Manny Azenberg had some of the most gossipy comments. He said that Michael Kidd chose actors for his projects based on the "F.F." which stands for fuckabilty factor. Men or women. Manny thought that Nichols applied that to most of his casting choices too.

Nichols was the first director to get paid a million dollars for a film.

Nichols was the first stage director to get a 5 percent royalty, which he got for The Odd Couple. Neil Simon had to agree to give up some of his points.

Nichols originally cast Paul Simon in Catch 22, but Simon's part got cut before filming. Both Simon and Nichols admit that it was mostly Nichols' fault that S&G broke up.

Melanie Griffith was sometimes drunk or coked out of her mind during the filming of Working Girl. She admits this herself now. But she got so drunk one time that they lost a whole night of filming. She was billed $80,000 for the cost of that lost evening!

Nichols won acclaim for his London stage performance in the Wally Shawn The Designated Mourner, and after the run ended he appeared in a film version of it. Although it was shown in Europe and got good reviews, Nichols went to great lengths to keep it from being shown in the United States. No one knows why. Meryl Streep calls is "some of the best acting I've ever seen any man do."

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Designated Mourner is on DVD, although may be OOP.

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Does anybody ever think to go to Youtube?

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Elaine...

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LIFE ISN'T EVERYTHING excludes any mention of Mike's bisexuality. A big failing.

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[quote]Melanie Griffith was sometimes drunk or coked out of her mind during the filming of Working Girl. She admits this herself now. But she got so drunk one time that they lost a whole night of filming. She was billed $80,000 for the cost of that lost evening!

Incredible that she was such a mess, she couldn't even control herself enough to keep away from drugs and alcohol while filming her first big movie role. I've always thought she was the weak link in that movie anyway, too trashy and with little or no charm. The movie works but in spite of her, not partly because of her.

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Young Patrice...

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Not Young Patrice...

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Melanie Griffith is, was and always will be a terrible actress.

by Anonymousreply 56509/14/2020

Miscast 2020 is available to watch until Thursday. I don't quite get why they're only leaving it up until then, but there you go

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by Anonymousreply 56609/14/2020

R566, I never understand if these kind of comments are sincere or not. Did union and rights issues never occur to you? (Sound and video staff, musicians, etc.) Or that this even was a benefit, so they may not want to blow the money on longer term rights and fees?

by Anonymousreply 56709/14/2020

Is that Laverne Cox in the photo in R566?

by Anonymousreply 56809/14/2020

R567 If it were down to rights issues, why is it they can put it online for three days but not longer term? Instead of a bitchy little post like that, why don't you try explaining to me why fours days up is okay, but long term isn't?

by Anonymousreply 56909/14/2020

Because it costs more, R569.

Yes, shocking as it may be, rights in perpetuity cost more than rights for a few days.

Who could have imagined?

This is why when old films and television shows are released for DVD or streaming they do not have the original music. Because they only payed for a few broadcasts, not perpetuity.

by Anonymousreply 57009/14/2020

Union rules. SAG/AFTRA for the actors - not Equity. And most notably, the AFM (not NYC's local 802) for the musicians.

by Anonymousreply 57109/14/2020

R570 Would that have been so hard to say from the start? If you weren't so set on coming across as a cunt you might not have made yourself look like an idiot with "payed for a few broadcasts".

R571 Thank you. A shame they aren't willing to be flexible for a benefit, but I guess they don't want to risk setting a precedent.

by Anonymousreply 57209/14/2020

It's not that hard to download something from YouTube.

by Anonymousreply 57309/14/2020

R573 You say that, but Google Drive literally has a button saying Download, and some here were confused by that...

by Anonymousreply 57409/14/2020

[quote]Melanie Griffith is, was and always will be a terrible actress.

Agreed. But if it's true that she has ALSO been a mess from the beginning, in terms of drinking and using drugs during filming of a major movie, it's doubly amazing that she ever had any kind of a career. Also, I can't imagine why Mike Nichols would have ever put up with anything like that.

Does anyone have any theories as to why Antonio Banderas ever hooked up with MG in the first place, let alone stayed with her for so long? Can the sex have been THAT great?

by Anonymousreply 57509/14/2020

Most hilarious Melanie Griffith movie: Shining Through, where she plays an American woman who speaks German with a natural Berlin accent (because her mother was a Berliner) so she volunteers for a dangerous spy assignment in Berlin during WWII. She was hopelessly unconvincing, even though all her “German” scenes were done in English.

by Anonymousreply 57609/14/2020

R572, that is why music has been changed sometimes after the network broadcasts.

I am sorry, if I hurt your feelings. It never occurred to me that anyone would not understand how rights work. Or how fees to personnel would work.

by Anonymousreply 57709/14/2020

[quote] This is why when old films and television shows are released for DVD or streaming they do not have the original music.

Where on earth did you get this idea? I have yet to see an old film or television show without the original music. The issue, particularly with tv shows, is things like The Carol Burnett Show, or China Beach or Cold Case, where period pop songs were used throughout. In most cases, they just aren’t released to dvd or streaming (in the case of Burnett, her shows were originally released with only the skits, although a certain number have finally been released with the musical numbers).

by Anonymousreply 57809/14/2020

[quote]Most hilarious Melanie Griffith movie: Shining Through, where she plays an American woman who speaks German with a natural Berlin accent (because her mother was a Berliner) so she volunteers for a dangerous spy assignment in Berlin during WWII. She was hopelessly unconvincing, even though all her “German” scenes were done in English.

I have never seen that movie, but it's legendary. I remember the horrendous reviews when it came out. This is an honest question; Does anyone have any idea why that woman had a pretty good movie career for a while? Was EVERYONE screwing her?

[quote]This is why when old films and television shows are released for DVD or streaming they do not have the original music.

I also have read and heard of this happening, though I'm not sure how often it happens. I think it applies more to background music of TV shows and even sometimes the theme music, not to actual songs in TV shows or movies. I wish I could remember the examples I've read about.

by Anonymousreply 57909/14/2020

Griffith was probably best in the first half of "Something Wild". I never understood the critical raves for her OK performance in "Body Double".

by Anonymousreply 58009/14/2020

Can anyone share the Nt Cyrano....I have lost it.

by Anonymousreply 58109/15/2020

And the search function is off.

by Anonymousreply 58209/15/2020

R578, I am really baffled. You say that I am wrong but then note that The Carol Burnett Show, or China Beach or Cold Case have been released without the original music because the rights were not covered.

Those (along with Daria and WKRP) are the best know examples of what I am talking about. In each case some of the original music had to be replaced because the rights negotiated were limited.

I am fascinated by your strategy of arguing that something is wrong then listing the evidence that it is actually right. Does it ever work?

At least I understand more why you lack even a common understanding of IP and labor law.

by Anonymousreply 58309/15/2020

R578 is wrong. Here's an article on the WKRP situation.

I seem to recall that there was an episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show where Mary sang an Irving Berlin song, but when that show was released on DVD they had to remove the song.

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by Anonymousreply 58409/15/2020

WKRP is somewhat of an anomaly in that it actually replaced some of the songs (and Shout Factory was roundly criticized at the time of release for doing so) instead of holding off until clearance for every track in every episode could be taken care of.

Cold Case is a strange example. While it has been said that the show will never get a DVD release because of the music rights, the entire 7 seasons is available to stream (with ads) on the Roku Channel with all the original music intact.

I'm trying to think of other examples. I know when Sixteen Candles first came out on home video, many of the songs used in the theatrical release had been swapped out because of clearance issues. I was a kid back then and was obsessed with the movie so I'd seen in the theater at least four times and knew every music cue so when we rented the tape, I was super pissed. They've subsequently been able to clear all the original music for later DVD and blu ray releases.

All this to say that there's no hard and fast rule about what's done in terms of music clearance for ancillary rights. I'm a filmmaker, myself and have gone through this process several times. I remember one time I had a classic song in a sequence in one of my films and we had to renegotiate a lower fee with the estate (for reasons that are too tangled, and boring, to elaborate) and the estate came back and said they would agree to it for all ancillary releases but not for theatrical (which was crazy since it was a limited theatrical release). We said okay, played the film theatrically as is, it ran its 10 city playdates and no one was the wiser.

by Anonymousreply 58509/15/2020

Melanie Griffith's success can pretty much be chalked up to two things- she looks great onscreen and men want to fuck her. It's the same reason Cameron Diaz won a New Your Film Critics Award for Best Actress for There's Something About Mary. You have a bunch of horny old straight guys that no woman would look at twice, they become enchanted with the vision of this woman onscreen and their desire somehow convinces them there's more to be seen.

by Anonymousreply 58609/15/2020

R585, thanks for the information. Sad, but I guess it all comes down to greed: The companies that own the films and TV shows want to pay AS LITTLE MONEY AS POSSIBLE for the rights to re-release those movies and shows on DVD or whatever with the original music, and the owners of the music rights want to receive AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE for them. In the end, I would say it's the composers who suffer, because they don't wind up getting ANY additional money, plus their music is removed from shows and movies it was once an important part of.

[quote]Melanie Griffith's success can pretty much be chalked up to two things- she looks great onscreen and men want to fuck her.

Yes, that must be it, but aren't there lots of actors who look great on screen and are fuckable AND who also have some talent AND are not difficult to work with due to substance abuse issues or whatever? I guess maybe Melanie got her initial shot(s) due to family connections, and then once she began to be established, producers kept going with a quantity that was already known to the public. As for her fuckability, it is quite impressive that she was married (sequentially!) to three of the hottest men in show business -- Don Johnson, Steven Bauer, and Antonio Banderas.

by Anonymousreply 58709/15/2020

Melanie's blowjobs are LEGEN-DARY.

by Anonymousreply 58809/15/2020

R583, you made the blanket statement: “This is why when old films and television shows are released for DVD or streaming they do not have the original music. Because they only payed for a few broadcasts, not perpetuity.”

Which simply isn’t true. I was pointing out the exceptions, where shows were, in fact, held back by music rights, and the reasons. *Some* old tv shows don’t have their original music because of the music clearance issue. More often, shows with that issue just aren’t released officially. Care to name an “old movie” where the music has been replaced?

by Anonymousreply 58909/15/2020

[quote] Melanie's blowjobs are LEGEN-DARY.

Meh. She was an amateur.

by Anonymousreply 59009/15/2020

Oh, do let us get back to theatre...

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by Anonymousreply 59109/15/2020

I’m always surprised by how utilitarian Broadway dressing rooms are. With a bunch of gays usually onboard, you’d think they’d look better.

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by Anonymousreply 59209/15/2020

No Follies r592.

by Anonymousreply 59309/15/2020

Not exactly, r593. Somebody had to have Barbra's dressing room at the Winter Garden.

by Anonymousreply 59409/15/2020

R589, There were two possible readings of my ambiguous sentence was meant. Rather than reading it as saying that this is why releases without the original music lack the original music, you read it as meaning that ALL film and television shows lack the original music. Either you were so addled that this last possible meaning made sense, or you were angry that you deliberately misread the sentence as a way of lashing out.

This is why all DL posters should keep a copy editor on retainer. Mine was at the dentist when I posted....and I paid dearly for that.

by Anonymousreply 59509/15/2020

Yeah, r 595, well...get over it. Moving on...

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by Anonymousreply 59609/15/2020

Much appreciated r595. May your good advice be taken.

by Anonymousreply 59709/15/2020

Hit it...

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by Anonymousreply 59809/15/2020

R595

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by Anonymousreply 59909/15/2020

The next thread

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