CoronaVirus Freakout 7: Pandemic! At The Disco

Link to previous thread.

A fairly level-headed look at what it'll be like if COVID-19 spreads into the U.S., so most of you nutbags will think it's propaganda.

They need to isolate the affected populations and burn the carcasses. “Reparations” can be paid later.

They need to isolate the affected populations and burn the carcasses. “Reparations” can be paid later.

320 cases in Italy!

Great article.

S.Korea cases surge to nearly 1000.

Most states, except 3, in the US don’t even have the tests.

The numbers reported are not accurate and you can expect for every ten reported there are ten to twenty unknown.

To 602 at the end of thread 6, younger deaths especially doctors could be due to cytokine storm.

So Kuwait has a warm climate but they have 9 cases

The doctors dying could be due to being overworked and lack of sleep. They were working long hours while sick and not given a chance to rest. I think if you get this you should take off work, take it serious and stay in bed, even if you need to take 2 weeks off.

I am back from vacation and have a few random updates.

My office building now has hand sanitizer by all of the elevator banks.

At least one major nyc hospital is no longer automatically providing masks for visitors due to supply change concern.

My pencil pusher CDC contact that volunteered to go to an airport and take temperatures is now volunteering at a quarantine site.

Researcher concerned about virus spreading through Afghanistan and Pakistan highly populated India

CNN-San Francisco mayor declares state of emergency over coronavirus concerns

Breed reiterated that there are no confirmed cases in the city, but they are taking the situation seriously. The declaration frees up resources needed to accelerate planning, increase staffing and ensure future reimbursement.

The declaration is effective immediately.

😷 CDC WARNING : NOT IF, BUT WHEN ........

Americans told to "prepare for the virus."

Trump says "it's under control" and "everything will work out fine."

Trump won't ever take this seriously unless one of his children becomes a Corona victim.

R10, standard quarantine for this virus is 14 days, so in theory everyone would get a couple of weeks off even if they’re not showing any symptoms at all. If anyone is diagnosed with Coronavirus, I sure hope they’re not going back to their job at McDonalds three days in, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some of their bosses are screaming at them to come back to work or they’re fired, at least in the U.S. In the U.S., it’s voluntary to stay home so far, so in theory sick people could just walk out of their houses and expose people.

The Chinese doctors had to work until they dropped, that’s true, but most didn’t die from that. A lot of them were young, in their late twenties even. But the virus is so small it was going right through their protective gear. Last I heard there were thousands of exposed or sick doctors in China. Probably two or three thousand by now. Or more.

It’s interesting to see the perspective of somebody that hasn’t been keeping up. This is not the flu, it’s really hard to make vaccines for Corona viruses in general. When they made one for SARS a few years back, they gave it to two people and they died. I keep hearing every couple of days that somebody has the miracle cure for this, but actual CDC sources say even if they found it, it could take a year or more to manufacture it and get it distributed.

Right now, most states aren’t testing for it, so sick people could be walking around and we wouldn’t know. They’re finding all these sick people in other countries because they’re testing. And even then, there’s been a lot of false negatives.

There’s going to be a problem down the road when Trump is saying nothing to see here, move along, and people are filling up the hospitals. All he cares about is the economy, not public health, so he’ll want every store and airport open. What will his little Princess do if she can’t go to some international event and flash her barely covered boobs around?

Pandemic @ Frisco !

I'm not one to freakout over stuff like this, but I am somewhat concerned. If this virus really does break out and spread everywhere, and the mortality is really 2.3% as the Chinese are now saying ... I kind of don't even want to think about what that means.

[quote]Trump won't ever take this seriously unless one of his children becomes a Corona victim.

As if.

Who's the clown who says that the warm weather will kill the Corona because viruses don't like warm weather.

How comes know this ......... Was there a previous Corona outbreak that I somehow slept through?

If we’re going by figures outside of China, it’s more. We know the Chinese have lied, they were rationing test kits, ran out, and fudged causes of death. But they welded people inside of their apartment buildings. What percentage does it have to be to do that? I wouldn’t think two or even three percent would be enough.

[quote] You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus

For realz? Each year the CDC estimates that from 3% to 10% of Americans are infected with the regular flu virus and show symptoms. Some even die. So the Coronavirus is so different from regular flu that you are "likely" to be infected. Likely would be what? 90% chance, unlike the regular flu?

💀 What r18 said.

R20, Trump says that, not any rational person.

Where's David when we need him?

Somebody hold me, pleeze !

More people would get the flu if there weren’t vaccines now.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think before vaccines about a third of the population would get seasonal flu each year.

This is MAYBE twice as infectious as the flu so maybe 60% of the population will get it.

2% of 60%

🍻 Party like it's your last Mardi Gras ever!

Every fucking day, I walk past people who cough without covering their mouths...it's winter time but not that cold in NYC...people have both hands in their pockets. They don't even turn their head when they cough...disgusting. I had to tell a woman today to cover her fat mouth too.

Sounds like a great city, R28. I'm so jealous.

People who live in densely populated cities like NYC need to be very careful. Stay home if you can.

This is how I picture the top five heavy posters in these threads.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R20, regular flu is a cold weather disease. Flu season runs from about October through March. If this CoronaVirus does the same then the coming warm weather should help, but it's possible to catch the flu at any time of the year.

Doesn't anyone find it odd there is not one case of coronavirus in NYC?

For people asking about turmeric, the best form is Theracurmin. In trials it is the number 1 absorbed form. I bought mine from Amazon, it makes arthritis pain go away completely for myself and my partner.

What brand did you get R35?

Thanks for the info about theracurmin...I'm gonna look into it.

I bought end of the groceries today. I looked at other carts and I think I was the only one.

If you bothered to read the article, R22, you would have gotten your answer:

[quote]Lipsitch predicts that, within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said.

There aren't any cases in Toronto or Vancouver or LA either...lots of Asians there

Based on your figures, potentially somewhere around $4 Million Americans could die from CoronaVirus, r26.

^^^^^Why did I put a $ dollar in front of 4 million Americans. Arrgh.

As for Canada, potentially, upwards of 500,000 Canadians could die.

Don't be wasting your precious time on snark, r39.

You might be infected or dead by tomorrow .

R34, I’m surprised there hasn’t been one case yet in the Netherlands. It’s so densely populated and Schiphol is such a major international airport.

Glad I made my monthly run to Aldi's this morning.

Maybe the Vorona-Free Countries are lying ......

Older Americans will die from it. Younger people will probably have mild cases. Most older people get vaccines for the regular flu so only the sickest die of regular flu but with no vaccine, a lot of people will die. One of the articles I read 10% with heart disease die 7% with diabetes 6% for people with respiratory diseases like COPD die from this. And People over 80 are really vulnerable.

You bitches better not buying elderberry. It hypercharges cytokine storm.

You bitches better not buying elderberry. It hypercharges cytokine storm.

According to the Johns Hopkins map, there have been 7 cases in Vancouver, 3 in Toronto and 1 in LA.

[quote] Most states, except 3, in the US don’t even have the tests

Does China have accurate tests for this? How are they diagnosing who has it and who doesn’t?

I'm stocking up tomorrow. Echoing, r18 the headlines are starting to get to me. The one city I always worried about was London. It's such a gateway to Europe, huge density, political instability in the sense of "transition" turmoil associated with ongoing Brexit issues. Horrible thought: Prince Philip dies or worse, the Queen suddenly dies and millions and millions want to publicly mourn. Any public figure is also "at risk". I wonder about the U.S. and all the handshaking being done by presidential candidates.

[quote]the mortality is really 2.3% as the Chinese are now saying ... I kind of don't even want to think about what that means.

2.3% of 300 million is 7,590,000, R18.

Most deaths in America will be of elderly Trump supporters.

Yes, weird source but hey good info.

Iran’s reported mortality rate for the illness — about 16 percent — surpasses the rate for other countries by a dramatic margin.

There are tons more cases than publicly revealed in the US. Hpspital staff are signing NDAs

"End of the groceries"? Sardines and Spam?

Wait, elderberry syrup is not good? That link posted in R56 is for swine flu though. Elderberry syrup is supposed to be anti-viral so if it prevents us from getting sick in the first place, then maybe it's fine? I thought cytokine storms were only an issue with reinfection.

Figures this virus takes off when we're getting a career resurgence.

[quote] One of the articles I read 10% with heart disease die 7% with diabetes 6% for people with respiratory diseases like COPD die from this

This seems odd. Since the Corona attacks the respiratory system, why wouldn't people with respiratory diseases be hit hardest?

Chris Cuomo is talking about Trump claiming the vaccine is just around the corner, based on nothing. Now Trump is saying the Coronavirus will just go away. CDC says he’s full of it. So I guess Trump will find an excuse to fire that guy in the middle of an epidemic.

Maybe Jared Kushner can be the head of the CDC. After all, the qualifications in the Trump administration are to be totally unqualified in every way and be related to a Trump. Kushner is brilliantly qualified by that standard.

Great sensible article.

R64

He had a guest post from epidemiologists a few days ago that was fairly reassuring about Australia, and terrifying about the rest of the world.

930,000 hospital beds in the United States.

That’s about one for every 350 people in the country.

Considering the intensive medical intervention required for some of these patients to survive, I do not believe that our government is telling us the truth.

The speed of the spread in Italy and South Korea should be a wake up call to everyone believing this will blow over in a few weeks.

Dena Grayson keeps tweeting about how 15 years ago she dealt with the ebola virus, then takes the Chinese view COVID-19 is airborne, and posts alarming overgeneralizations. How dull it would be to just wash one's hands, disinfect surfaces, handles, levers and pulls in the house, continue coughing into an elbow and sneezing into a fresh facial tissue and go about one's business.

No one needs to worry, Trump has called on "The Expert".

I thought bitcoin would be up as a result of all this, but it’s down $1000 each for the week, or about 10%. I don’t own any but I have been thinking about it.

Here's that Johns Hopkins link someone was asking for, showing real time cases, deaths, recoveries etc.

I bought cold & flu medicine today at CVS. Nothing worse than needing it when you’re too sick to shop. I did not get sympathy cards.

Another thing to stock up on are stamps for those sympathy cards. I know people don’t send mail much but I think sympathy emails alone are tacky.

Pierre my dearest, bitcoin is still view as volatile asset. It certainly did not help that some bloke list a bunch of bitcoin the other day. Even the Japanese bitcoin bank got hacked and declared bankruptcy. Imagine that the Japanese! Naturally in this time of uncertainty, people are wary. At least , you are getting that economic downturn you have been wishing for.

R66, this isn’t the flu. You can catch it with your eyes. That’s why nurses in China are wearing face shields and googles.

I think one of the risk factors for this is people assuming that this is just like the flu. It’s not just like the flu. It’s airborne, they’re telling people to stay at least six and a half feet away from other people, and the virus can survive for as much as nine days (or more) on a surface. That’s totally different from the flu. You have no way of knowing who touched something in the market a week ago.

Unless you wear a space suit every time you go out, you’re probably going to be exposed. This is the flu:

“Flu viruses capable of being transferred to hands and causing an infection can survive on hard surfaces for 24 hours. Infectious flu viruses can survive on tissues for only 15 minutes. Like cold viruses, infectious flu viruses survive for much shorter periods on the hands.

National Health Service › uk

How long do bacteria and viruses live outside the body? - NHS

Good luck with that R72. We interact with people so much ddurning the day. I'm retired and am amazed how much contact I have with others just doing normal activities. When was the last time you stood in line and the other person respected your space and stood 6 1/2 away from you?

R54, yes, thanks. Did I mention I was trying not to think about that?

[quote] R71: At least , you are getting that economic downturn you have been wishing for.

Now, be fair, please. I’ve thought we were due for a downturn, starting with Trump ‘s election, actually, but I have never “wished“ for one. I’ve been wrong about the timing, too early while the stock market did well, up 51% in 3.5 years, since the election. I don’t wish for one and haven’t ever said so.

I was going to greet someone today, right before he used a handkerchief to wipe his nose. It doesn’t seem hygienic. I know he doesn’t have this virus, but I passed on meeting him anyway because I was grossed out.

Way up there I meant to say end of the world groceries. The first time I bought ramen and cans of pasta(those shelves looked a little low) a lot of tuna (I don’t even know if I like it never bought it before) baked cans the cans were big so I will make them last 2 days. I have an extra turkey I didn’t cook for thanksgiving and leftover ham from NYe that I heard you can only keep a Month in the freezer. Snack pac pudding and Oreos. Forgot the broth and gonna get medication tonight. Any other ideas?

What would you expect him to do instead, R76?

Thanks, R77. I was confused what 'End Groceries' were.

R73

You nailed the problem perfectly. The drop in face-to-face interaction will have negative economic impacts.

How many people will go to concerts, or movies, or restaurants/bars, if they have a significant risk of becoming fatally ill because they stood next to the wrong person?

Are R74

R75

R76

R78

The same?

No, I'm R74 and R78, but not R75 or R76.

R65 Australia needs to start locking down its boarders NOW!

It is also what the vast majority of the population want. It will be interesting to see if the Government extends the bans on foreign nationals who have been in China during the last 14 days. They should continue the ban on China and include Japan, South Korea, Iran, Italy.

As for Australian nationals returning home from those countries - Christmas Island for 2 weeks.

We can hope for the best. However, if the Lord calls us home, we have no choice but to go.

R76, I went to Nordstrom’s Rack today, and there was a woman coughing an aisle ahead of me the whole time. Just coughing and coughing and coughing. I couldn’t see her, but I sure could hear her.

She coughed so much, I was asking myself, did you HAVE to come to this store? Couldn’t live another minute without shoes?

Why do people do this? If you’re sick, stay the fuck home.

Just watch an episode of When Calls The Heart, R83?

WHET the horrible Brit and is trashy wife aboard the plague ship? Are they dead yet?

Summarizing the Atlantic article in R6, which is interesting, you should read it. It’s just long.

Everyone will get the virus. Containment will slow the spread, but not stop it.

Some people won’t have symptoms at all, yay! But that make it insidiously easy to spread. Oh. 😷

A vaccine will take 1-2 years, and may be too late for this outbreak.

This virus is probably with us for years, bad. We may need yearly shots for it, like the flu. Ok, not so bad.

Similar viruses do not cause longterm immunity, meaning you can get it again. They didn’t define “longterm”.

I think that’s the major points..

R86 No - and last report is that they are both on the mend which is very good to hear.

^ oh, the death rate seems to be 2%, which is huge. The flu is more like 0.1%.

The virus is very resilient. It doesn’t die naturally for weeks.

I wonder if this will depress the real estate market if people refuse to by a deceased person’s home?

[quote] The head of Iran’s counter-coronavirus task force has contracted the virus, highlighting the country’s struggle to manage the outbreak.

-Time article in R12.

This man coughed his way through a press conference. He looked half dead already and was sweating profusely. It was really stupid of him to appear in public.

Pocketdaddy from the "Molly At 51" thread might as well go ahead and try it now.

Keep it coming, R89, that's the spirit. I lost my erection around R80, but if we can get back to millions of deaths & economic collapse again it might come back.

If someone says cytokine storm again I'm going to spurt like a fucking geyser.

R92, I’m repeating the facts reported in the article.

R87 Long term means for life. The existing coronaviruses that circulate around the world causing those annoying colds we get from time to time only give you immunity if you catch one from a few weeks to a couple of years at most. That is why we get cold throughout our lives even though that are I believe 4 circulating harmless viruses around.

The best hope for this virus is that is loses it edge and becomes like the others (i.e. annoying but harmless) - only time will tell.

If this lasts and really starts to roll, people will stop going out. This could literally change the entire world and destroy the global economy.

How did both of those doctors die from this? We’re they otherwise healthy?

Doesn’t anyone else think that’s a bit strange?

[quote]Based on your figures, potentially somewhere around $4 Million Americans could die from CoronaVirus, [R26].

R41 has exposed himself as a BIG PHARMA operative!

I have literally seen probably 50 sick people just in the last week.

R26, it’s 20 times more deadly than the flu. It seems more infectious, too. Through air, lasts long on surfaces, etc.

They have apparently quarantined the Americas that they flew back to the US from that ship in Japan. But did they quarantine the plane?

Looking forward to your Chaturbate show, R92.

R96 They likely died because

1) The were repeatably infected with the virus

2) The were working the arses off 18 to 20 hours a day, whilst unwell. That would have lowered there ability to fight off infection.

If you happen to get this (and it looks like most of us will) go straight to bed and get plenty of rest and sleep. Even if you have a mild case - don't take any chances.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but this really does seem fishy. Perhaps not biological warfare, but the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan was no doubt experimenting with coronaviruses. Given China's systematic ineptitude, the virus probably leaked (like SARS). The wet market was just an easy scapegoat.

R101, and, stay hydrated.

"Sounds like a great city, [R28]. I'm so jealous."

How far away are you from a city with the medical facilities, drug stores, enormous food availability and police force of New York City r29? As was mentioned in that shitshow debate tonight, large swaths of non-urban areas have little no or no remaining medical facilities.

R96, more than just 2 doctors died...

The Times counted at least 18 reported deaths of medical workers involved in the COVID-19 response as of Monday, including nurses and doctors who died not because of infection but because of cardiac arrest or other ailments due to overwork and fatigue. One victim was hit by a car while taking temperatures on a highway.

The most recent were three doctors who died in one day, all infected with COVID-19. One of them, Xia Sisi, a gastroenterologist in Wuhan, was 29. Another physician, Peng Yinhua, also 29, died in Wuhan of infection on Feb. 20. He had delayed his Feb. 1 wedding, promising his pregnant fiancee they’d have the ceremony after the outbreak had passed.

Most of the infected medical workers are in Hubei, many of them part of the initial response in Wuhan, when shortages of protective gear, understaffed hospitals and transportation shutdowns collided with an overwhelming number of patients. The stories of doctors and nurses tell of clever improvisation and quiet perseverance in a war against a mysterious virus.

A doctor in Wuhan told The Times in a phone interview Jan. 29 that 12 out of 59 doctors in his hospital were showing symptoms of the virus, including lung infections — but continued to treat patients while wearing insufficient protective gear. Since then, he and other medical workers have been told to stop speaking to the press

The death of Wuhan front-line nurse Liu Fan, 49, is a diary of how cruel and ravenous the virus is.

Liu’s brother, Chang Kai, a film director, wrote a final letter describing what had happened to his family. All four members were infected with the virus after being quarantined at home in close quarters. Unable to get a hospital bed amid Wuhan’s shortage, Chang’s father died at home Feb. 3. His mother died Feb. 8.

Addressing his son in London, Chang’s letter reads: “I went to hospitals begging and weeping, but I am too low and insignificant.... All my life I’ve been a faithful son, a responsible father, a loving husband, an honest person. Farewell! To those I love and those who love me.”

Chang died on Feb. 14; Liu hours later.

There are also deaths from overwork. They include Song Yingjie, a 28-year-old pharmacist, who was single-handedly managing his hospital’s medicine prescriptions, then checking temperatures at a highway stop at night. He worked until midnight on Feb. 2, standing on the roadside in freezing wind, according to a colleague who was with him. It was his 10th consecutive day on the virus response team. He was found dead in his hospital dormitory the next afternoon. The cause was cardiac arrest from exhaustion.

Another was Wang Tucheng, 37, a doctor in Henan’s Xinwangzhuang village who was found dead on Feb. 10 in his clinic. His diagnosis was also cardiac arrest due to overwork and fatigue.

In Nanjing, Xu Hui, leader of a hospital’s virus control group, worked for 18 days straight, then went home after a meeting on Feb. 6, “lay down and never got up,” according to state media. She was 51.

Exhaustion is one reason medical workers have high vulnerability to infection, said John Nicholls, a Hong Kong University pathologist who worked on the 2003 SARS outbreak (he never saw deaths from overwork during the fight against severe acute respiratory syndrome, though). Others include lack of training in personal protective equipment, contaminated surfaces, close contact with sick patients, and — perhaps most pertinent to China’s situation — people operating outside their area of expertise.

When SARS broke out, doctors from different departments were asked to join the front lines, Nicholls said. But many medical workers weren’t properly trained for procedures such as intubation in a high-risk infectious disease environment.

In a crisis situation without proper training, medics rushing to the front then easily became infected, and spread infections to others. Nicholls sees a similar pattern in COVID-19.

Hence the question: what's your red line number?

Do you stop going out to public places and gatherings when there's ten confirmed cases in your community, or is your red line number 50 cases? Or is it 100?

For many people, even a handful of cases will be a tremendous shock because they were unrealistically confident that it can't happen here. The realization that the virus is active locally and can be spread by people who don't have any symptoms shatters the comfortable complacency and introduces a chilling reality: what was an abstraction is now real.

Human psychology is exquisitely attuned to risk once it moves from abstraction to reality. Why take a chance unless absolutely necessary? For many people, the first handful of local cases will be enough to cancel all exposure to optional public gatherings: cafes, bistros, theaters, concerts, etc. Many others will decide to forego public transit, taxis and Uber/Lyft rides because who knows if the previous fare was an asymptomatic carrier?

If you doubt this impulse to over-reaction once abstraction gives way to reality, look at how quickly market shelves are stripped in virus-affected areas. Once we understand what rationalists might declare over-reaction is merely prudence when faced with difficult-to-assess dangers, we realize that there's a bubble not just in the stock market and Big Tech but in complacency.

US soldier in South Korea first serviceman to test positive for coronavirus

An American soldier based in South Korea has tested positive for coronavirus — the first US service member to be infected by the rapidly spreading deadly virus, officials announced Tuesday.

An American soldier based in South Korea has tested positive for coronavirus — the first US service member to be infected by the rapidly spreading deadly virus, officials announced Tuesday.

The patient is quarantined at his off-base home, officials said. On Monday, he visited another nearby US military base, Camp Walker.

“Health officials are actively conducting contact tracing to determine whether any others may have been exposed,” USFK said.

Coronavirus cases in South Korea have skyrocketed since the first case was reported in the nation one week ago.

As of Tuesday, over 1,000 cases and 12 deaths have been reported in the short span.

For what? To crash their own economy?

R102

The Chinese mouthpiece media has all but admitted that failures at the lab directly contributed to this virus. They don’t explicitly say so, but coupled with the extreme language used by the CCCP castigating the Wuhan lab officials and staff, it’s not hard to infer that China is “saving face”- Admitting, tacitly, that failures within one of their labs may have killed a few million people, but that it was not for nefarious purposes, merely accidental. The pressure on the politburo is unlike anything we’ve ever experienced.

Public protests in China are almost unheard of, but the rage surrounding the disinformation and lack of preparation has threatened social stability. Unless they bring this under control within the next two weeks, the leader ship of the country will be purged.

It is a corollary to Occam’s Razor called Hanlon’s Razor- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explain by incompetence.

Health officials say US needs 270M more face masks to battle coronavirus

US health officials said they’ll need an additional 270 million face masks to fight the deadly new coronavirus outbreak — as they asked Congress to greenlight a $2.5 billion funding plan.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said Tuesday the country has a stockpile of 30 million N95 surgical masks, but that 300 million would be needed to protect health workers in an outbreak.

“This is an unprecedented, potentially severe health challenge globally,” Azar said before a Senate Appropriations subcommittee.

The White House budget office said the $2.5 billion response plan would be used to develop a vaccine, as well as for protective equipment and response measures.

Senators from both parties were skeptical that the White House’s request was enough to help prepare the country for a pandemic.

“If you low-ball something like this, you’ll pay for it later,” said Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala, the chair of the Appropriations Committee.

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash, said the government’s handling of the outbreak has been “unacceptable.”

“We cannot afford to plan on the cheap or at the last minute,” she said.

Azar defended the administration’s response, noting that nearly two months after the first alarms were sounded, there’s no evidence the virus has spread in the US beyond people who were infected overseas and some of their relatives.

“We cannot hermetically seal off the United States to a virus and we need to be realistic about that,” he said.

Why does this seem so much scarier than Ebola or SARS?

Maybe because it feels like this time there is nobody at the wheel?

A Massachusetts biotech firm has completed a potential coronavirus vaccine and released it to federal health officials for human testing, according to officials and a new report.

Moderna, Inc., of Cambridge, announced on Monday that it released its first batch of mRNA-1273 to treat humans for the virus.

Vials have been shipped to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the National Institutes of Health, in Bethesda, Md. The experimental vaccine will now be tested in humans, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The institute will begin a clinical trial of about 20 to 25 healthy volunteers by the end of April to determine whether two doses of the shot are safe and induce an immune response likely to safeguard participants from infection, NIAID director Anthony Fauci told the Journal.

Initial results could be released by July or August.

It has yet to be determined whether the Moderna batch will work, because its gene-based technology has yet to yield an approved human vaccine, Fauci said. Even if the first study is positive, the vaccine may not be readily available until next year, pending further studies and regulatory clearance, the doctor said.

But Fauci told the Journal that even if the spread of coronavirus lessens during the warmer months, it could come back in full force next winter like the flu.

“The only way you can completely suppress an emerging infectious disease is with a vaccine,” he told the paper. “If you want to really get it quickly, you’re using technologies that are not as time-honored as the standard, what I call antiquated, way of doing it.”

In a statement, Juan Andres, Moderna’s chief technical operations and quality officer, thanked the company’s team “for their extraordinary effort in responding to this global health emergency with record speed.”

“The collaboration across Moderna, with NIAID, and with [the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation] has allowed us to deliver a clinical batch in 42 days from sequence identification,” he said. “This would not have been possible without our Norwood manufacturing site, which uses leading-edge technology to enable flexible operations and ensure high quality standards are met for clinical-grade material.”

The global coronavirus death toll has risen to more than 2,700 — most of the cases in mainland China. The total number of infections worldwide stands at more than 80,000.

If this virus escaped from a Chinese lab, it probably was being worked on to study corona viruses. Not to use as a weapon.

CDC can't even make proper test kits...yet Trump kept saying they are doing a great job! Reminds me of Bush during Katrina..."good job brownie!"

I would add to that superb article, buy gloves and adult diapers NOW. My Mother's Medline diapers are MADE IN ITALY and the less costly brands contain parts made in - where else- China.

cnn-Chevron tells employees at London office to work from home as worker is tested for coronavirus

Chevron told workers at its London office to work from home yesterday after an employee experiencing flu-like symptoms was tested for coronavirus, a person familiar with the matter told CNN Business.

As a cautionary measure, employees at the office, located in London's Canary Wharf business hub, have been told to work remotely until test results are known, the person said. There is no known coronavirus outbreak in the office.

The Westferry Circus office is home to several hundred Chevron employees, including commodity traders, shipping experts and lawyers.

"Chevron continues to monitor the situation very closely, utilizing the guidance of international and local health authorities," the company said in a statement. "Our primary concern is the health and safety of our employees and we are taking precautionary measures to reduce their risk of exposure."

Dollars to doughnuts -

I believe the number of cases in the USA, unconnected to any current person currently diagnosed or quarantined, will be over 50 by the end of next week.

I don’t even want to imagine the numbers that will be directly connected to current coronavirus victims in the USA, since they will probably already be under observation and self quarantine.

Is the number of people infected, excluding China, continues on the ominous algebraic path it is currently wandering, we will know that China has been lying for a month and that fatality statistics will have to be drastically revised upward.

The speed of transmission inside Italy, South Korea, and the cruise ship, when taken together, paint a far different picture from the data provided by the Chinese CDC.

The next few days might mean the difference between panic inducing pandemic and really deadly virus that mostly kills old sick people. Children and young adults seem immune.

I wish we could still call in to The Diane Rhem Show. She used to have Fauci or someone else with an Italian name on relatively often.

I'd like to call up ask on the air if one could get Coronavirus from one's adult diaper if some of the components were made in China.

Young adults are not immune. Even though the death rate for 20's to 40's is really low its still higher than the average flu.

Add in the economic misery impacts of this virus, the world is going to become an even worse place to live in the following years.

So I was planning on spending next weekend in NYC. Bad idea??

By the by, this is absolutely not like this flu. There's so much more to it than anyone is sharing and the higher ups are sweating. Not to try to scare anyone, but it's serious.

But at least one final spin in the Big Apple before it's a ghost town, ne c'est pas ?

R119

I mean people under 20.

If the statistics from Wuhan are correct, only 0.01% of people under 20 died, no infants, and all kids had comorbidities.

I don’t believe the statistics, but it does appear that younger people are less susceptible to a degree of illness requiring intensive medical care.

I’m just trying to be optimistic where I can.

The rest of this thing looks like a total shit show. Unless we can dramatically slow infection inside the United States, it will quickly overwhelm healthcare facilities, and the majority of deaths will be due to lack of adequate care.

(I believe that there are MANY undetected infections inside the United States that will manifest over the next 10 days)

R121 Several of the people who died in Iran were kids under 10. So there goes that theory.

The main problem if it spreads isn’t that it’s the world’s most deadly virus, which it isn’t, but that there just aren’t enough hospital beds to handle a widespread illness. And in the U.S., the whole society is geared against people taking time off work and going to the doctor. Right to work laws say you can be fired at any time for any reason, even if you take time off for being sick, lots of uninsured low-income people, especially food service, maids and janitorial service people, retail cashiers, etc. Lots of people don’t have sick leave benefits, if they don’t work they don’t get paid. Lots of part-timers that aren’t insured, lots of those jobs are retail workers with constant exposure to the public. Most service industry workers have no way to take their work home.

And right now in the U.S. people are being “voluntarily” quarantined that were exposed to others that have the virus. Who can afford to be quarantined these days for two weeks, use up all your sick pay for the year and have none left, and then on top of it maybe get the virus and need more time off as well? There’s zero incentive to stay home.

I read that people that were voluntarily quarantined were given a pamphlet and pretty much left to figure it out on their own. A lot of those people have family living with them, and they’re living in housing too small to avoid others.

Trump’s answer to this is to say that the virus will just go away on its own, without him having to do anything. He’s too dumb to even understand what’s happening. And the CDC is gutted out from people leaving during his administration and not being replaced. Some of the articles I’ve read are obviously not accounting for that and don’t acknowledge that we don’t have Obama-era levels of public health employees. They’re pretending the mass exodus for the door never happened.

There are people trying to minimize the threat. This is from the Washington Post, an interview of a doctor/investment advisor about the affect of the virus on the stock market. (Feb 25, 2020)

[quote] Steven Podnos is a fee-only investment adviser based in Florida who also happens to be a critical care doctor in the Air Force Reserve.

[quote] “As a physician, the coronavirus looks no more virulent than influenza, so the impact is likely to be temporary and of little long-term concern,” he told me....

[quote]“If you look at infections outside of China, the mortality looks very, very low,” Podnos said. “And the people who are dying tend to be the old and immuno-suppressed or otherwise sick.”

I don't think this guy is an expert on the current virus, but the Washington Post allowed this to go out with nobody condradicting him in this article. The article, however, was all about how to react investment-wise to the current virus news.

R121 This is R119 You are correct, though I think one or two teenagers may be died in China. But the under 20's mortality rates are lower than the yearly flu.

Its worth noting that the high death count in Italy is probably due to the fact that they have a large ageing population. Most younger people have left the small towns and villages. I think the youngest person to die in Italy has been 78. Most have been in the 80s.

South Korea had a person in the 30s just die for the virus. However, he was a Mongolian national. Don't know if he had any underlying conditions.

Just one bit of 'good' news is that Singapore whose cases were rising the other week seem to have stabilised. Of course being a very small country and highly organised they have been able to track everything.

Getting back to the bad news I also read that Italy is still trying to trace patient zero and suspect that its somebody travelling around the country as other cases have been confirmed in other parts of the country.

This whole thing is like a bad nightmare being played out in slow motion.

This virus attacks the lungs. many young people vape and you know what vaping does to lungs. and those who smoke pot. Not sure but I read that pot is 5 times worse for your lungs than cigs. so I think this virus will affect everyone...

Italians smoke a lot too...even their soccer players smoke, dumb cunts.

R124 Sickening guy and his not the only one. At this point in time things look very bleak. The number of deaths in Iran, Italy and South Korea compared to the number of confirmed cases is alarming.

R120

It’s probably a low risk this weekend, depending on your luck.

Even if there is an outbreak, it will still remain safe for a few days if it’s small.

I’ve been trying to remain skeptical for the last month. I’ve looked at the worst case scenarios from the beginning, in order to gauge their potential. Until the speed of the outbreak in Italy and South Korea, I was becoming more optimistic.

The last 4 days have broken any chance we had at containing this to Southeast Asia.

In order to slow the spread of infection, giving various cities time to ramp up ad hoc medical facility space, county wide quarantines will be necessary.

Interstate travel must be strictly controlled, and checkpoints at intersections out of many cities will be necessary. The government will authorize large cash payments to individuals to offset job losses and prevent starvation.

Urban cores will devolve into chaos. I don’t believe that there is any possible way to safely import and distribute enough food without widespread violence. The ultra wealthy will be in Wyoming. The “brave” fraction of the top 10% will be able to survive inside the city for a period of time, but the vast majority that can pay to escape will do so. They will take all their real valuables with them and drive for refuge.

Mass migration to quarantine areas outside uninfected areas will overwhelm resources in these second and third tier cities.

People in rural areas will keep outsiders away, and use quarantined proxy workers to bring food for markets.

That’s the worst case scenario I can see unfolding over the next two months. The best case scenario isn’t a hell of a lot better.

CNN-Italian officials try to calm fears as cases spike

The cases are heavily concentrated in the region of Lombardy where 212 infections have been confirmed. Around 100,000 people in Lombardy and nearby Veneto are facing travel and other restrictions.

Hospital mishandling: Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte was forced to admit on Monday that a hospital in the northern town of Codogno had mishandled the region's first coronavirus case, known as Patient 1.

Conte said that the hospital that treated Patient 1 had not followed protocol. He did not elaborate on what protocols were breached, but admitted that the mishandling "certainly contributed to the spread."

Patient One: Patient 1 is a 38-year-old man, identified only by the name Mattia.

Patient Zero mystery: Authorities in Italy have not yet identified Patient 0, the individual suspected of bringing the coronavirus into the country.

Hotel worker tested negative eight times, now has Coronavirus.

Also, keep in mind that the incubation period is longer than 14 days. There was a case in China where the guy got it 27 days after contact with infected person.

You can have it but show no symptoms and infect those around you!

Patient in NY likely coronavirus.

More cases for CA for sure!

ABC7 Eyewitness News @ABC7 · 54m #BREAKING Korean Air attendant diagnosed with #coronavirus after working on Los Angeles flight, South Korean media reports

R129 I know how you feel. When I first read about the virus in China I thought they get this under control likes SARS.

As the numbers increased in Hubei and around the globe I started to get nervous about it. In late January I started stocking up on medicines, food and pet food. I have a very good supply and am going to add to in it the coming weeks.

Likewise, I've tried to be optimistic but yeah with the news of South Korea, Italy and Iran I've lost all hope.

Nowhere on the planet (well maybe the South Pole) will be immune for this. Looks like it is is Brazil now - awaiting second test needed to confirm.

From the Guardian. It seems that negative test results can not be fully trusted

2h ago 04:36

The Diamond Princess cruise ship continues to be a major focus of the global outbreak.

Passengers who were allowed off the virus-stricken ship are continuing to develop symptoms, and several of the 970 who were allowed off last week after testing negative have since developed the Covid-19 illness, including another Australian passenger announced today

r129 It's next weekend, does it make a difference? And you'd think with the fear of this virus, hotel prices would reflect a drop in tourists, but no such luck. I have to attend an event (of many people) next weekend in the city, so there's that risk, but we'll see what the virus numbers look like by the end of this weekend.

R122 The virus seems to have a high death rate in Iran. As more people catch it more will be revealed. The thing about the Chinese numbers is that you can't trust them. The CCP claimed to say that they didn't know about the virus until the middle of January and let it slip that they knew about it in the beginning of January.

Figures coming out of China need to be taken with a grain of salt. Ditto Iran.

South Korea, Japan & Italy are the ones to keep an eyes. The South Koreas are meticulous with figures as is Singapore.

I've been doing the math since the Wuhan lockdown started in late January. Since then, I've been quietly stocking up on nonperishables, essentials, water, medication, etc, but the whole time wondering if I was overreacting. With the pace this seems to be unfolding, I going to prepare for possibly staying home for a long time.

That would be 3,926,400 in the US R26.

Senator Kennedy (R) obviously doesn’t believe this Trump shill, DHS Secretary Chad Wolf, who claims the vaccine will be available “in a few months.” No one is mentioning that “invented” isn’t the same as “manufactured in the millions of doses and ready to put in people’s arms.” My guess is Kennedy doesn’t understand this guy is leaving that part out. He just knows it doesn’t sound right.

Kennedy says to Wolf, the CDC doesn’t agree with you, to which he responds, then go with the CDC’s figures. What? So he’s admitting he’s lying to Congress, or he’s admitting he doesn’t know what he’s talking about?

Somebody at home must have lit a fire under Kennedy’s ass, he’s normally a Trump shill.

From the Guardian. Scary shit

A young boy in Hubei province has witnessed his grandfather die and remained at home alone afterwards because of coronavirus restrictions, according to local media.

The news of the child’s ordeal prompted an outpouring of anger online in China.

In Zhangwan district in the city of Shiyan, which has implemented “wartime control” to prevent the spread of the virus, local community workers on Monday afternoon found an elderly man surnamed Tan who had died at home. His five or six-year-old grandson was also at home, Guo Ruibing, vice deputy director of the publicity department of Zhangwan district, told local media.

The official did not confirm details posted online that the man had died several days earlier and that the grandson had survived on biscuits. When asked by community workers why he did not seek help, the child reportedly said: “Grandpa said not to leave. There is a virus outside."

Another Iranian official tests positive:

Can we name the next thread "Corona My House."

International Olympic Committee member, Dick Pound, has said the Tokyo Olympics could be cancelled if the virus threat is too great, and a decision would have to be made within two to three months

(Love the name 😁. Ok back on topic)

The virus seems to be surviving the warm temperature if it has gotten its way into Kuwait.

The death rate per infection just seems high right now because all the people who've had asymptomatic or low symptom infections and already got over it are not being counted. Only the sickest ones and the ones known to have had contact with those sickest patients are being tested because they are the only ones being recorded right now. Right now, it looks like for every 100 infections, 2 people die BUT there could be 10,000 people who were infected and didn't even get sick enough to go to the doctor or get tested or even show symptoms beyond a slight cough or fever. If you add those 10,000 people in the death rate is now 2 out of every 10,100 people.

We don't know at this point but it's too early to panic. We live in a world now were an inch of snow is a possible Snowpocalypse and a breeze is a possible Level 5 tornado soon to develop...stay tuned (and make sure to watch our ads while you wait!). This is the world we live in now. It's 24/7 reality tv on all the stations, including the news.

All that being said, I hope Trump got infected in India and that it interacts with his syphilis to make his dick explode before he dies.

Report from CDC update:

R147, you could say the same thing about the flu. Lots of people get the flu, never go to the doctor and stay home. Then they get better all by themselves. Those people are probably never reported, so you could argue the 0.1% mortality rate for the flu is artificially high, which it may be. Those are only the cases we know about.

The reason people can’t get a grip on this is that China has lied from the first, and in real life we don’t know how many got sick, or how many died. We don’t have enough data to know percentages.

Who knows if we even know how many are hospitalized. A lot of people entered the hospital with other illnesses then got the Coronavirus when they were there. How are they reporting that? Broken leg, Coronavirus or both?

Our best bet now is to go by documented evidence in other countries that have more transparency. And I just read a report that was not peer reviewed, saying Iran must have over 10,000 additional unreported cases due to a mathematical formula extrapolating from the reported cases. I don’t know if that’s accurate, but we’re about to find out.

It looks like the U.S. figures aren’t accurate too. There aren’t enough test kits, people are presenting at their doctors’ offices with Coronavirus symptoms, some recent travelers, and they aren’t being tested. Trump probably thinks not testing people helps. The problem is, when you do catch up, there can be a huge jump in a day that panics people because it’s a cumulative total over days or weeks suddenly getting reported. Trump’s “nothing to see here” attitude may backfire.

Here’s a pretty well-researched post with lots of links about supply chain disruptions around the world.

R146 All the cases in Kuwait have been 'imported' from Iran I believe.

Whilst there is no evidence yet on the transmission if warmer temperatures the stunt/reduce the transmission of the virus it is worth noting that up until this point that has been little to no transmission of the virus in the Southern Hemisphere or the tropical regions.

Australia: All imported Brazil: One possible import Kuwait: All imported Thailand: Mostly imported The Philippines: All imported Singapore: Some imported and some transferred within the country.

However, the imported ones in Singapore appear to have happened largely in air-conditioned environments and Singapore's cases have flat lined in the last few days (they are excellent at monitoring and recording everything).

The worst transmissions: China, Northern Italy, Iran, South Korea, Japan have all occurred in cold weather. Actually the temperatures in all those areas are colder than winter in most of Australia. The cruise ship was air-conditioned so that tells one a lot too - and cruise ships are notorious was disease (that is an industry that should be shut-down).

I'm noting saying that the virus won't spread in warmer weather. Other mild coronavirus' spread all year round but are way more prominent in cooler/cold weather. Watch the tropical areas and Southern Hemisphere over the coming weeks.

It will be interesting r151, summer here in New Zealand has been really quite cool this year, and we have a lot of Chinese students heading in. It's just a matter of time.

In the town I live in, 65% of the population is over sixty.

A third coronavirus case in France, one death. This was a 60 year old man in Paris. I don't consider 60 old and this is a little scary.

I meant 3 more cases, one death.

R153 Wasn't that one death a couple of weeks ago? A Chinese man visiting France?

R152 Australia has been tropical for months now - hideous humid weather. Hoping that has helped keep us free (so far) from the virus as all our cases have been imported so far.

Must applaud NZ for stopping flights from South Korea earlier this week - Australia has yet to do that!

R155 Yeah there was also the old Chinese man but this is another death that happened yesterday during the night. It is a French guy this time.

The explosion of cases in South Korea can traced back the crazy church in the south while in Iran from the pilgrims in city of Qom. But what is the Italian excuse?

[quote]Why does this seem so much scarier than Ebola or SARS?

I guess you weren't posting here during Ebola.

[quote]The explosion of cases in South Korea can traced back the crazy church in the south while in Iran from the pilgrims in city of Qom. But what is the Italian excuse?

Possibly all the huge cruise ships into Venice? Mega-tourism from exposed areas of the globe?

Ebola was 2014 right? Ebola, so yesterday's news.

Wow H1N1 was an ass kicker too. Lots of people died.

R139 I started gathering supplies over a month ago then coronavirus coverage went virtually silent in the US for the past two weeks. Now BOOM nonstop panic starts full force yesterday. Any guesses on when this shelter in place scenario may happen in the Eastern US? I originally thought mid March.

I will get a little more Sudafed, electrolyte water, tp and paper towels, otherwise I think I’m good for hunkering down for a few weeks. My brother has a newborn I better tell him to stock up on some diapers/formula.

Hi, ELEOP!

R157 Thanks for your reply.

If people want a reliable source of reference the Wikipedia page is good. Its updated regularly and they do have a disclaimer that the information is changing as new reports emerge.

Troubling how much things have ramped up. Although I knew this virus was no joke when China barricading people in their homes. People around still seem so normal and unbothered, they still don't seem to be thinking about it the way many of us on here are. I have been low key stocking up here and there but now I think I better get more organized about it

R162 I've long had a interest it viruses that have emerged dating back to HIV before it had a name and aside from that virus and this one none of them have given me any great concerns.

And the concerns in relation to HIV were very different from the coronavirus outbreak. Even in the very very early days when HIV was known as GRID common sense alone told you that it wasn't transmitted via the air because everyone would have had it.

It was clearly something gay men were engaged it but what people didn't know. But provided you were not sexually active it was threatening like this coronavirus. It was a very different kind of threat. But all diseases are terrible regardless of who they effect or how.

Interesting article.

More on the second French victim from The Guardian:

French authorities are urgently trying to trace the source of the coronavirus infection that claimed the life of a 60-year-old citizen who died over night in the Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital, in Paris, as five new infections were reported in the country.

According to officials the individual had not travelled to either China or northern Italy.

The French fatality was identified as a teacher from L’Oise region, in northern France, who suffered a massive pulmonary embolism as a result of the virus. The teacher is the second infection identified in the L’Oise region.

Also from The Guardian:

More new coronavirus infections outside China than inside – WHO

There have been more new detections of coronavirus outside China than inside, in a major turning point in the international spread of Covid-19, the World Health Organisation reports.

In his opening remarks to the mission briefing on Covid-19, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the WHO, highlighted what appeared to be a slowing in the rate of new infections inside China, where the outbreak began, as well as a number of countries that appeared to have nipped incipient outbreaks in the bud.

He went on:

Yesterday, the number of new cases reported outside China exceeded the number of new cases in China for the first time. The sudden increases of cases in Italy, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Republic of Korea are deeply concerning. There are now cases linked to Iran in Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait and Oman. There are now cases linked to Italy in Algeria, Austria, Croatia, Germany, Spain and Switzerland.

Yesterday a joint team between WHO and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control arrived in Rome to review the public health measures that have been put in place and provide technical support. A WHO team will travel to Iran this weekend to provide support.

The increase in cases outside China has prompted some media and politicians to push for a pandemic to be declared. We should not be too eager to declare a pandemic without a careful and clear-minded analysis of the facts. WHO has already declared a public health emergency of international concern – our highest level of alarm.

Using the word pandemic carelessly has no tangible benefit, but it does have significant risk in terms of amplifying unnecessary and unjustified fear and stigma, and paralyzing systems. It may also signal that we can no longer contain the virus, which is not true. We are in a fight that can be won if we do the right things.

Honestly, I'm just looking at it thusly: We already live in a dystopian hellscape. Worst case, I get to check out of it a little early.

I find that cold medications barely make a difference for me. I know Tumeric is an anti inflammatory but what else does it do? Should I even bother hunting for a mask? I've seen them advertised on Instagram. Nice official looking masks.

171 Masks are really only for medical professionals and people who are unwell to help them prevent from spreading disease.

Aside from offering relief, cold medicines don't really do anything. Drinking plenty of fluids is really important - I can't stress that enough.

[quote]I've seen them advertised on Instagram. Nice official looking masks.

Do you think if a particular piece of PPE was needed, they'd be advertising on Instagram?

CNBC: Greece has confirmed its first coronavirus case, a 38-year-old Greek woman who had traveled from an area of northern Italy, according to Sotiris Tsiodras, a representative of the Ministry of Health, Reuters reported.

Meanwhile, Italy has now reported that four children in the country have also contracted the flu-like illness.

President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he will discuss the deadly coronavirus outbreak during a news conference at 6 p.m. ET with officials from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Trump made the announcement on Twitter after attacking media for “panicking markets” through their coverage of the virus.

Well, I arrived at work just now to find that my university has installed hand sanitizer dispensers next to the elevators on every floor of my building.

I have a stupid, yet honest question: So many people wear surgical masks now as a matter of course, but why hasn't wearing of surgical gloves caught on? I'd rather wear gloves than wash my hands 500 times per day.

Because you have to change them with every new contact with someone.

Also, after a not-very-long time, they become as uncomfortable as hell.

And face masks don't?

If your stockpiling food on a budget and have limit space some things to think about. Slim fast or similar powdered shakes and powered milk will hold up for a long time. It's not fancy but it works. There is a recipe for no knead bread on line. It's easy and tastes good. Useful if you don't want to go out.

Invest in sauces and grav ies. Also cookie ingredient s. If the food is crap a cookie or piece of cake after will give you something to look forward to.

M REs are good. Also powdered eggs and powered milk are a must. Everything needs one of the other it seems.

My advice after surviving Michael. We managed with no electric and no running water for a month. If you can sit this out at home I hope this helps. And don't forget Amazon Wal-Mart and Sam's will ship it to you.

[quote]And face masks don't?

Gloves also don't protect other people. The masks are doing more to protect other people from your germs as you from theirs.

Additionally, unless you plan on changing gloves each time you touch anything, it's useless. Try going a full day without touching your face after touching something else.

[quote] I'm not one to freakout over stuff like this, but I am somewhat concerned. If this virus really does break out and spread everywhere, and the mortality is really 2.3% as the Chinese are now saying ... I kind of don't even want to think about what that means.

Remember this is fatality rate of INFECTIONS, and not everyone in the population will be infected. And it mostly seems to be affecting the older population like most flus do.

R180 I wouldn't rely on anyone shipping anything. Remember workers will be effected by this. The people that prepare your order, the drivers, etc - sure use them if they will still be operating but don't depend on them.

Also, the virus can remain on items for up to 9 days. So anything you received should be unwrapped with gloves that you then throw in the bin.

Yes, R34, I find it very hard to believe. My husband is preparing his office to work from home within the next month.

R175 Fuck Trump is clueless and useless not that we don't already know that.

The coronavirus may very spell end his political career in November. When it hit the US (which it is going to do) and if lots of people get really sick and die he will be gone.

Same with any Government running countries that can delay the virus and take more drastic action (like US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, basically anywhere this is an island or remote). I mean lets face it the virus is going to bring down the current leader of China - leader for life - not likely now, even if from outside China that measures that China has taken have been excellent in giving more time to the rest of the world to prepare.

R182: That's because this is an illness similar to the flue.

It affects way more people who have other problems (specially if they are elder) and of course countries with no good access to medic care.

Some people are acting like this was the Ebola which is absurd

UPDATED INFECTION & DEATH TOLL COUNTER HERE:

Low Ratings Fake News MSDNC (Comcast) & @CNN are doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible. Likewise their incompetent Do Nothing Democrat comrades are all talk, no action. USA in great shape! @CDCgov

I will be having a News Conference at the White House, on this subject, today at 6:00 P.M. CDC representatives, and others, will be there. Thank you!

R182 You are right in that there are lots of people who won't get picked up in the stats who have had a mild case of the virus. However, people are dying at rates well over those for the annual flu. Annual flu deaths = 0.1% (in a good year). Death rate for coronavirus from people ages 40 to 49 - 0.9% - that is not a good outcome and of course it worse the older you get.

In Iran children have been reported to have died.

[quote]That's because this is an illness similar to the flue.

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R109: Maybe in your country. Flu deaths are way higher in third world countries.

In europe the death rate of coronavirus is 0,7%

R186 In some respects its worse than Ebola because people can be spreading it without even knowing and it appears to be particularly virulent. At least with Ebola people are not infectious until they start showing symptoms which helps keep the virus transmission rate down.

If the ENTIRE population of the world was involved and the infection and mortality rates hold at current levels, NOT EVEN 100 MILLION would die. That sounds high, but deaths would have to be dramatically higher for the world to be truly affected.

Let’s all say a prayer about President Trump and the Coronavirus: “Dear Lord, may our President walk hand-in-hand with the Coronavirus to the promised land. Amen!”

R193, always looking on the bright side!

R193 That's probably correct but all that misery and the fact that many needy people went get the medical treatment they should get because of under resourced medical services in ALL Western countries. And heavens help all the developing nations.

That is why its important for countries to stop the virus with closing border and if it still gets in contain and quarantine. It will cause the virus to last longer but will also allow more people to have access to better medical care.

I should ad that one keeps hearing reports how China's infections have peaked. But its an artificial peak. If people start going back to work and resuming normal activities the numbers will rise again. Unless they can completely rid themselves of the virus its going to be an on-going problem for China and all other countries as well.

Do DL HOMOS think I should go on my gay cruise to the meditteranean this summer?

Do DL HOMOS think I should go on my gay cruise to the meditteranean this summer?

[quote]That is why its important for countries to stop the virus with closing border and if it still gets in contain and quarantine. It will cause the virus to last longer but will also allow more people to have access to better medical care.

Border closing aren't going to work. Leaving aside that in a world with as interconnected a food supply as we currently have, we'd likely have shortages faster, the genie is already out of the bottle.

Three baboons escape and run rampant in Sydney from the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital. Authorities are claiming the male was there for a vasectomy (the hospital is for humans not fucking animals) but I wouldn't be surprised if the baboons were being experimented on for coronavirus. The two other baboons were females to accompany the male baboon so he would get 'upset'. Anyway, this smells very very fishy to me.

Ironically I walked past there an hour before the baboons escaped.

Keep in mind if Trump does a press conference about this, it will be the first time a lot of people have paid attention at all. If they are Deplorables, no matter what he says, they may think, I have to protect little Johnny and Jane and the grandparents at all costs. Even True Believers may think, I love Trump, but I love my kids more.

The people that don’t know anything about this right now are exactly the ones to overreact and panic buy. To be fair, when the President calls a press conference about an epidemic, that’s something to listen about. I just feel sorry for the CDC people he drags up there to lie to the public. They get to choose between keeping their jobs in an epidemic, knowing they wouldn’t be replaced by anyone qualified, if at all, or lying for Trump that nothing’s wrong. He’s doing it to calm the stock markets, he doesn’t care if anyone dies, so they will be forced to say something like, it can’t possibly come here, so the market will stabilize. From what we know, there are probably a lot of undiagnosed cases out there. There are reports of U. S. doctors seeing symptoms from recent travelers to Iran and Italy, but they have no test kits. So those individuals will continue to spread the disease no matter what Trump says.

This may be when people descend on markets like this was an upcoming snowstorm and buy them out.

How shameful that the Jackass-In-Chief of our country is probably the only world leader to shirk off this disease as if it were nothing more than a small scratch.

At least his stupidity is consistent.

R199 Border closures will help to delay the virus and slow it time to better prepare for it. Of course closure of borders would not include trade though given production of everything around the world is likely to grind to a halt there won't be much trade anyway.

Border closing and quarantine doesn’t work.

This is bad. This crisis has exposed the WHO’s incompetence and uselessness. Also, China knew about this in early January, and reprimanded eight early whistleblowers. This global pandemic and the economic, health, and political chaos that will ensue is solely the fault of the corrupt CCP.

Instead of condemning the CCP, the WHO is praising it. Go figure.

R204 They slow down the progress of the virus. That is the point of them. Nothing is going to stop the virus but its idiotic and frankly criminal of any politicians to simply let it run rampant and not take necessary means to try to SLOW IT DOWN.

There are benefits to slowing down a virus. More time to prepare hospitals, staff, equipment. Also the longer you can slower down more might be known about the virus and the best way to treat it.

Hey, does anybody here know where I can get that Virus Map?

Wit the number of people coming and going in the White House, the number of gatherings, luncheons, dinners, all the handshaking, hugging, schmoozing with people of other cities and countries, people who have obviously get on and off places with great regularity, the White House should e in panic mode.

There should've been major news conferences addressing the nation with a plan in place, and what Amercans need to do to protect themselves. And what our country will do to protect us.

Instead,we have an low IQ imbecile telling us everything will be fine, it will work itself out.

Viruses don't like warm weather? What if Corona is the exception to the rule?

They’ve already said China and other Asian GDPs would be zero or negative this quarter, if the stock market doesn’t correct it’s rigged... which it is.

Trump is probably buying time for him and all of his billionaire friends to go short on the market. Let’s not forget insider trading is one of the big things that will come out of this administration after it’s all done, they’re already doing it: timing announcements with stock buys/sells.

Dump probably had Jared call MBS to please, PLEASE, buy all the stocks being exchanged on the stock market at yesterday's price for the foreseeable future. But it's only going to work for a couple of days. And then it'll be game over for Donnie.

R205 China does deserve criticism for not letting the world know about the situation in Wuhan in early January when the CCP found out. However, they deserve praise for the measures they have taken to try to spoke to virus spreading because they have brought the world more time - which most countries are squandering away by twiddling their thumbs.

The WHO are pathetic and they should have declared it a pandemic by now. This is happening, its just how fast it will unfold now.

if you're stocking up. don't forget USA gets 74% of Acetaminophen (tylenol) from China, 95% of Ibuprofen from China, 80% of antibiotics from China...

I posted it in the last thread in case anyone missed it.

The delays in announcements and spins are financially motivated. Trump usually puts intentions out there, he said in the tweet about “spooking the markets” that’s it. That’s all he cares about. NO Billionaires or hundred-millionaires are going to be waiting in an ER room or deprived of an ICU room, so they care about money & the markets and don’t give a shit if Grandma Edna and her three grand babies in Des Moines croak outside the Urgent Care with WuFlu.

[quote] If this virus really does break out and spread everywhere, and the mortality is really 2.3% as the Chinese are now saying ... I kind of don't even want to think about what that means.

Uhhhh... what?

What is WHO?

The World Health Organization.

The number of cases in Italy has tripled over the last two days, rising to 374 confirmed diagnoses from 124 on Monday, according to data from Italy’s Ministry of Health and the World Health Organizations. The virus has killed 12 people so far, up from two reported deaths two days ago.

A bulk of the cases are still concentrated in the wealthy Lombardy region in Northern Italy. The country’s first two cases were confirmed on Jan. 30, a couple of Chinese tourists, the Ministry said. The first confirmed case of secondary transmission occurred at a hospital on Feb. 18.

On reddit (yes i know) there are many claims of large pockets of potential infection all over (Near houston, IL, MN) but they are not being tested. Perhaps thats why no “official” cases. I can see trump telling cdc officials to hush it up.

CNN-The Pope's Ash Wednesday mass will go on as planned

The Pope's Ash Wednesday mass in Rome will go on as planned today without any "particular measures" against coronavirus, Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni tells CNN.

The mass at the church of Santa Sabina will include the usual tradition of handshaking and embracing as a sign of peace.

Attendees can use the water at the back of church to bless themselves upon entering.

Ash Wednesday is one of the most important religious days for Catholics after Christmas and Easter. It signifies the beginning of Lent, a period of six weeks before Easter when many Christians fast, abstain from meat and make a personal Lenten sacrifice to prepare themselves for Easter.

On Ash Wednesday Pope Francis participates in a solemn procession, together with Cardinals, bishops and monks, from the Benedictine Church of Sant’Anselmo on the Aventine Hill in Rome to the nearby Dominican church of Santa Sabina, where he celebrates mass for Ash Wednesday and places ashes, in the sign of the cross on the heads of the faithful.

[quote]there are many claims of large pockets of potential infection all over

Anyone with a cold or flu is a "potential infection," I guess, so I'd take those claims with a very large grain of salt.

I hope this will take out trump. he's gonna be at the press conference telling the world, there is nothing to worry about, buy more stocks (that's all he's concerned about). Then the US will get hit and suffer...hope he goes down in flames politically!

If there's a God, something really scary will drop just before his press conference so he looks even more like a fool.

CNN-3 Russians from Diamond Princess ship test positive for coronavirus

Three out of eight Russians who were evacuated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan were diagnosed with coronavirus, the head of Russian consumer protection agency Rospotrebnadzor Anna Popova said Wednesday, state-run news agency TASS reported.

“We’ve evacuated Russian citizens from Japan, all eight of them were hospitalized under medical supervision, including three people who were diagnosed with a novel coronavirus in Japan,” Popova said according to TASS. “In those three patients, [coronavirus] was confirmed using several virological methods.”

Popova added that all evacuated Russians and their families are under quarantine in the city of Kazan and "feeling well."

Previously, Russia reported two confirmed cases of coronavirus, both in Chinese nationals. “Obviously, today we must admit that the possibility of coronavirus spreading further into the Russian Federation is certainly increasing,” Popova added. “The number of countries with coronavirus infection is increasing, it is better not to plan a trip abroad if there is no urgent need.”

No More Millionaires, Billionaires, or Trillionares in [italic] My White House !

[quote]3 Russians from Diamond Princess ship test positive for coronavirus

Nothing of value was lost.

[201] I live in a tiny southern town where trump followers are pretty much 100% of the population. Yesterday someone posted a cdc warning contradicting trump the local news group . No one has complained and it's had several likes I think his hold on them is slipping over this.I

I know my mother has stopped watching fox news. The first chinks are starting to show. So perhaps people will go with common sense instead of listening to him.

R226 “ The first chinks are starting to show.”

Fucking racist!

I'm going to get ashes @11:00 a.m. today.

I will pray for all of us, especially all of my dear friends @DL who have embraced me during my short and humble life. You are family.

I'm giving up snacking between meals during Lent, hoping to earn some extra blessings that I will share with all of you.

Stay safe and healthy, and here's hoping that by next Easter this Corona business will just be a fading memory.

I 😘 You All !

US Medical workers are being forced into NDAs about clusters of cases, because the US is trying to keep the economy going, thinking they can wait it out until spring. The economy is held up with stimulus and has been ready for collapse for awhile. Either we make it to spring and the virus passes or it hits hard and the Republicans are going to go extreme and do sudden martial law. The US decisions are more in-line with China than say European countries, as the thought of human life is not the factor but rather political and economic motivations. The Republicans will do ANYTHING to stay in power.

I don't believe for a moment that US medical workers are being "forced" to sign NDAs to hide massive numbers of virus cases. If somebody came up to any of the doctors or nurses I know and said "here, sign this so we can hide an epidemic", they'd tell the person to fuck off. Then they'd tell the world.

R227You fool ....... that's "chinks" as in "chinks in the armor."

Go back and get your GED.

R227 is most likely a graduate of the Trump School of Funny Business.

R231 Just the reaction I hoped for... excellent.

R230, pretty sure signing an NDA is against that oath they took.

"....I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure...."

The Main Cast of the Wuhan threads (now with titles!)

some people are so naive and will believe things like "someone made a phone call to etc...about a case in NYC" and will post the phone call...LOL. anyone can fake a phone call ffs.

I certainly don't believe medical staff are signing NDAs....

I would like to sell bridges to these dumb cunts.

Isn't Italy where all those healthy people who live forever reside? You know, the Mediterranean diet: fish, veggies, olive oil, red wine.

He can't even spell coronavirus. Looking reliable.

Johns Hopkins virus map link here, r207

NEW YORK, Feb 25 (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has contacted producers of about 20 drugs that either source all of their main ingredients from or are finished in China to gauge if they will face shortages due to the coronavirus outbreak.

None of the companies reported that a shortage is expected for their drugs due to the outbreak, an FDA spokeswoman said.

"We have been in contact with those firms to understand if they face any drug shortage risks due to the outbreak," FDA spokeswoman Stephanie Caccomo said in a statement late on Monday. "None of these firms has reported any shortage to date."

Caccomo did not identify any of the drugs or the companies.

She said the FDA has also reached out to more than 180 manufacturers to remind them of their requirement to notify the regulator of any expected supply disruptions.

U.S. officials raised concerns this week about the security of the U.S. drug supply chain in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak in China, where a significant portion of the ingredients used to make prescription drugs is manufactured.

Around 88 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients used in drugs for the U.S. market were manufactured overseas in 2018, according to the FDA

R238, that loser probably hasn't been typing it 100 times a day on a gay message board for past month like you have!

I've read that the religious activities help spread the virus in countries like Iran. Good for them. Kill them all.

At the end of December 2019, a novel coronavirus (COVID-19) caused an outbreak in Wuhan, and has quickly spread to all provinces in China and 26 other countries around the world, leading to a serious situation for epidemic prevention. So far, there is still no specific medicine.

Previous studies have shown that chloroquine phosphate (chloroquine) had a wide range of antiviral effects, including anti-coronavirus. Here we found that treating the patients diagnosed as novel coronavirus pneumonia with chloroquine might improve the success rate of treatment, shorten hospital stay and improve patient outcome.

In order to guide and regulate the use of chloroquine in patients with novel coronavirus pneumonia, the multicenter collaboration group of Department of Science and Technology of Guangdong Province and Health Commission of Guangdong Province for chloroquine in the treatment of novel coronavirus pneumonia developed this expert consensus after extensive discussion. It recommended chloroquine phosphate tablet, 500mg twice per day for 10 days for patients diagnosed as mild, moderate and severe cases of novel coronavirus pneumonia and without contraindications to chloroquine.

[quote]that loser probably hasn't been typing it 100 times a day on a gay message board for past month like you have!

No, but he tweets every time he farts.

Here's a hopeful story from the Washington Post (if it catches on in other countries)-

[quote] TOKYO — More than 800,000 South Koreans have signed a petition calling for President Moon Jae-in to be impeached over his handling of the coronavirus epidemic, arguing that he was more worried about currying favor with the Chinese government than curbing the spread of the disease.

Fuck yeah R24! YEAH! You're hardcore AF!

I love it when you talk like that. I picture you saying it in your Star Trek costume in an accent that sounds half British/half electric can opener!

Sorry I was coming when I posted..that was meant for R242.

CNN-Every continent except Antarctica has reported coronavirus cases

The coronavirus outbreak — which started in the city of Wuhan in China — has now spread to six of the world's seven continents. It has not yet reached Antarctica.

cnn-Delta Airlines is temporarily reducing flights to South Korea

From Feb. 29 through April 30, the carrier will suspend service between Minneapolis/St. Paul and ICN, with the last flight departing MSP for ICN on Feb. 28 and departing ICN for MSP on Feb. 29.

Delta will also reduce to five times weekly its services between ICN and Atlanta, Detroit and Seattle through April 30. The airline’s new service from Incheon to Manila, previously scheduled to begin March 29, will now start on May 1. Full schedule details are available on the Delta website.

Delta continues to offer a change fee waiver for customers who wish to adjust their travel plans for flights between the U.S. and South Korea, China and Italy.

[quote]US Medical workers are being forced into NDAs about clusters of cases,

And a brave whistleblower has managed to alert you of it?

From r238.....

I’ve been busy working and deliberately staying away from these threads because it’s grating to see posters here posting inaccurate information, as they obviously don’t work in healthcare. R72 what you described isn’t airborne precautions but droplet precautions, 6 feet vicinity is the official zone for droplet precautions. Airborne precautions is when a pathogen such as measles is transmitted via airspace where the infected person sneezed or coughed. Direct providers to infected patients wear protective masks and goggles because we’re in contact with contaminated surfaces and if we also touch our eyes for instance, we can become infected that way too.

I work in SF for a top teaching institution, none of the health professionals I know are freaking out, spewing apocalyptic scenarios, acting like Trumpster preppers, and taking every newest piece of “miracle drug/ supplement” as cure-all. We continue to be current on latest updates, trials, and protocols, and yes we are very concerned. But there’s a difference between concerned and freaking out. At this point we’ve had more patients be admitted for flu complications, just to give a dose of real life hapoening right now. One of my pediatric patients is in the PICU with H1N1 virus very sick and she’s on ECMO. I had a few patients that we sent PCR tests for COVID-19 this past week, so far all negative.

As for physicians in China being infected and dying. I might have an explanation and this is totally conjecture based on personal observations on my part. I’ve worked with visiting MDs from China before, and observed that they’re even less stringent about hand washing between patients than our MDs and NPs here. MDs also don’t act as bedside providers caring for patients unlike RNs, so they’re also less prone to adhere to these precautions. In outbreaks like what happened in China, this could explain why it’s the MDs not RNs who have more prolonged and direct contact with patients, who are contracting and dying from the virus.

I work as DNP in both primary care and psych, and have experiences both inpatient and outpatient as a bedside nurse and as prescribing provider. What I see as biggest problem is with lack of hospital ICU beds. The floor and stepdown units can be condensed for only patients needing inpatient care, and that would involve canceling scheduled surgeries and procedures not determined to be medically necessary. If there is an outbreak of pandemic proportions, from a public health standpoint we can utilize military resources such as military base as containment areas.

Young and healthy individuals are not dying or becoming critically ill. That is a somewhat reassuring fact about this virus, and I use reassuring in the most basic sense of the word, not that I think we should take it lightly. Another thing working in our favor in containment is warmer weather spelling the tail end if the flu season. I’ll try to post latest articles of interest later, there is apparently some hope that an oral anti-malaria medication is effective against the virus.

this was a little unnerving in my emails

BREAKING: State prepares for spread of coronavirus.

I guess each state is going to have to prepare for itself since the federal gov't. is almost non-existent.

[quote]Isn't Italy where all those healthy people who live forever reside? You know, the Mediterranean diet: fish, veggies, olive oil, red wine.

Not northern Italy, where they subsist on massive quantities of risotto and greyish, Vienna-derived dishes.

So I went into Costco last night - nothing seemed out of the ordinary, people were buying the same shit they always do.

I rhen went to the Apple store - they had a tall big Purell hand sanitizer stand right at the entrance - smack dab in the middle of the entry so it couldn't be missed. Is that normal? I don't frequent the Apple Store often so I don't know...

I think Brandon Urie/PAD needs to take advantage of this unique opportunity and do a televised telethon to raise money for the outbreak. As OP pointed out, we have already have the name - Pandemic at the Disco. This musical interlude could be comforting for many suffering from freaking out.

If you go to the Costco website though, the pallets of year and monthly food prep they have are out of stock R255, and that’s usually not the case.

NYT's Iran expert Farnaz Fassihi:

Iran coronavirus: Death toll 19 & 139 sick.

But Iran’s medical news agency disputes health ministry numbers on coronavirus. Accuses officials of not reporting deaths documented in hospitals.

Saying entire hospitals & wards are overtaken by corona patients in quarantine.

DLers, don't be a pig. Clean your surfaces everyday with bleach. Your phones, keyboards, doorknobs, light switches, the bathroom etc

First thing you should do when you come home is wash your hands, make that a habit.

If...

The Brazilian government confirmed the first case of a fast-spreading new coronavirus in Latin America, officials from the Brazil Health Ministry said, after a Sao Paulo hospital flagged the possible infection of a 61-year-old who had visited Italy. The diagnosis comes during Brazil’s carnival holiday, a peak time for domestic travel when millions of revelers throng to major cities for raucous street celebrations.

R257 et al.

For those "stocking up" what do you suggest I buy in bulk? My diet consists mostly of green veggies, poultry and red meat. I'm not a fancy eater but I do stick to a very low carb diet.

I have a dog and 2 cats. My dog doesn't eat dog food. I cook him chicken and rice, or ground beef and rice for his meals. My cats will only eat fancy feast dry food - they refuse anything else., so I should stock up on that. Its probably made in china after all.

I wouldn't even know what to buy in bulk because I would think the foods I eat would go bad. Maybe peanut butter, some frozen veggies?

I know the standard answers of pasta and rice and soups - but those are so high carb/high sodium.

R262, you and your dog are history. Your cat should be fine though.

Um, let me see. Chance of catching the coronavirus vs eating something high in carbs.

R262, maybe some protein bars. Canned tuna, salmon, beef jerky. quinoa. trail mix. oatmeal.

We just moved our dog back to dry food (Royal Canin) after a homemade diet R262. It lasts forever. Buying two giant bags will last you months depending on the size of the dog. I’m not particularly happy about it, but he seems fine with it, and I don’t want to run into the trouble of changing his diet if normal foods become scarce.

Do you have an ample freezer, R262? Freeze beef and poultry, and buy frozen vegetables. If not, stock up on protein-rich legumes and grains.

This is cruise ship 2.0. -----

Three more people test positive for coronavirus at Tenerife hotel

Three more people have tested positive for coronavirus at the four-star Tenerife hotel placed on lockdown after an Italian doctor staying there was confirmed to have the deadly bug, according to new reports.

The doctor’s wife — along with two other people they had been staying with — also tested positive for COVID-19 at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace hotel on the largest of Spain’s Canary Islands, Metro UK reported.

The patients are part of a group of 10 people who traveled from Italy’s Lombardy region — where authorities are battling the largest outbreak outside Asia.

After the first test came back positive, health authorities ordered that the around 1,000 guests at the hotel be monitored for infection.

Now, about 100 guests have been given the all-clear to leave because it is not believed they came in contact with the infected group.

Anyone with symptoms will be “evaluated and will stay in the hotel without leaving their rooms, and depending on the results of the tests and whether they test positive or negative, a further decision would then be taken,” said Domingo Nunez, head of epidemiology at the Canary Islands Health Service, according to the report.

Those who test positive will be hospitalized, according to Nunez.

R262, get a bunch of cases of Premier Protein shakes at Costco, and some nuts and whatever else you can eat that doesn't spoil.

My dog is in the same boat as yours, but she's 17. Her prescriptions are on autofill from Chewy and she currently has 6 weeks worth.

It's slightly more virulent than flu- so wash your hands, avoid travel to the most affected nations and get flu shots (decreases the severity if you are infected). The most vulnerable are the very old and very young- just like flu.

R262 from costco canned chicken, nuts, protein bars/powder, jerky. If you use meds have a months worth in the house.

I don't expect power to go out but some shelf stable items make good sense.

Forgot to add about my dog -- I have plenty of rice and canned salmon and canned chicken.

[quote]get flu shots (decreases the severity if you are infected).

This year's flu shot will decrease the severity of coronavirus? Doesn't it just work on flu strains that are included in the vaccine?

[quote] It's slightly more virulent than flu

Slightly meaning 10 to 20 times more deadly.

Great suggestions R265! Sounds good. I have a regular sized freezer that is part of my fridge. I could stuff it as much as possible. thanks r269!

R266 - my dog use to eat regular dog food. I would also mix in some chopped chicken or a meat with it, sometimes even a wet dog food. Then one day he was very sick... he was only 3 years old and ended up in the animal ER in acute liver failure. 72 hours and over 5K later he was on the mend. However the vet wanted to know what he was eating - so I began researching everything I had ever given him - and what I found are these "dog" foods are horrible. After that incident I decided I would make his meals myself that way I knew exactly what was in them. I do agree that the dry food was much easier and lasts forever, but his health is more important to me - plus I don't want another unexpected 5K bill from the Animal Emergency Hospital.. Maybe he is just a sensitive pug (he also suffers seasonal allergies) but I don't want to ever experience that again, He almost died, and he was only 3. At one point he was even quarantined at the hospital when they suspected he had leptospirosis - but he had been vaccinated for that as a puppy. They never were able to tell me exactly what led him to liver failure other than it was most likely something he ingested that was posionous.

Here is just one example of a dog food thats making dogs sick..and some even dying..

We have a case in my city (Strasbourg). He's 36 and just back from Italy. More concerning, a 60yo teacher who hadn't travelled at all died last night in Paris from the virus. Basically because he hadn't travelled he wasn't tracked, was admitted for what they thought was the regular flu, then they finally tested him and he was positive. This is very, very bad news. As an italian offical said, if you test, you find. There must be thousands of case around us and we simply don't know.

Our poor health workers...

R273 Yeah flu shots won't do anything for the coronavirus. But at least it means you won't catch both.

R269 my dog also has his prescriptions from chewy. I have about 2 months worth now - but maybe I can get more (he has epilepsy and has to take his seizure med twice a day)

R278, I think you should be able to; it not like with people insurance where you can't have your prescriptions filled too closely together. Unless you have pet insurance which I don't know anything about as my old girl has long-since aged out of being eligible for that.

I also need to start stockpiling her OTC artificial tears.

Oh, one thing I wanted to add, I don't know it it has been mentioned yet but if you use regular milk for anything and want to stock up, Aldi's ORGANIC milk is ultra-pasturized and doesn't spoil for a very long time. I got two half-gallons yesterday and the expiration date is April 27.

I'm sure the sanctimonious food know-it-all will pop up and say milk kills, but whatever.

R279 I'm sure I can - chewy just needs confirmation from my vet. My boy doesn't have pet insurance either - If I had gotten it when he was a puppy it would have been great - would have probably covered that 5K bill from the ER and his epilepsy meds. Ironically, He got his first seizure when he was 1 years old - 12 hours after he had received some vaccines (one of which was the leptospirosis vaccine) From there on out - he started having seizures a few times a week. Then we put him on meds, and it's helped a lot. Doesn't stop them all, but now he only has a seizure once every 6 months or so.

I don't let him get vaccines anymore..

Actually R274 a little more than twice.

for those planning on stocking up and haven't yet, now is the time. Next week may be too late. stock up on everyday items like shampoo, bar soap, clothing soap, kleenex, paper towels, toilet paper, cleaners, toothpaste, etc. Any over the counter drug medications that you need or may need. if people panic there is going to be a run on everything and they won't be able to keep up with the demand.

R158 Apparently there was a failure to follow protocol in a hospital where a patient had the virus. Of course, hospital is the worst place for this to emerge, a crowded building full of elderly, sick and immunocompromised people.

R276 Salut le strasbourgeois !

I also think this is pretty concerning. The French guy who died was a teacher so there's a possibility he got contaminated by a student. The Amiens case is pretty severe and is in ICU. These two severe cases mean there's probably a lot of undetected mild cases.

And there's the soccer match today in Lyon, against Turin. 3000 Italian supporters might come. Maybe not the best idea.

I have a $35 bidet from Amazon, great purchase!

CNN is now getting leaked previews of the 6 pm eastern time speech. Ticker says:

CDC: Americans need to prepare

59 confirmed cases in the U.S.

Schumer asking for 8.5 billion

John King was talking about supply chains being interrupted. Another ticker about a possible global recession.

It sounds like whatever is going to be said tonight is not good, so Trump‘s staffers are trying to prepare people.

R/83, my guess is the panic buying starts tomorrow after Trump’s speech, so try to get something done today. A lot of people don’t pay any attention until something like the President speaking.

CNN:

Schumer preparing $8.5 billion request for emergency coronavirus funding, source says

R282 Where did you find those numbers? So far I've only come across a fatality rate estimated at 1 to 2% for the coronavirus and 0.1 % for the seasonal flu.

R282 Where did you find those numbers? So far I've only come across a fatality rate estimated at 1 to 2% for the coronavirus and 0.1 % for the seasonal flu.

buy masks! they are hot commodity. You may not need it but you can always trade or barter with it!

We're living a science fiction novel from the eighties/nineties.

Unfortunately, Corona isn't science fiction, and we don't know when, if, or how it will end.

This thread is on 🔥🔥🔥

Since Trump is apparently going to dismiss this as #FakeNews at his press conference tonight, it will delay the eventual panic by a few days. Maybe.

The people of the world are not prepared for this.

NBC:

Trump on coronavirus: Everything is fine. Trump's health officials: It's not.

Did one of Trumps cronies catch the Corona? Is that why we are having a press conference?

Yesterday, everything was fine ..............

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Trump is supposedly a major germaphobe, I wonder if he'll just hide in a bunker a mile beneath Denver for the duration or something.

He was pissed at the CDC conference yesterday...about how "dire" they made the situation sound etc.

I just saw pics of him...he looks fatter than ever!!!

He's a lot like his cult-- Trump's your fat old aunt with idiopathic neuropathy and a long-term pain pill addiction who posts those shit Facebook memes about how her generation drank out of garden hoses when they were kids and 'turned out fine'.

He's hoping this will all blow over and he can laugh at everyone for being such pussies.

^The fucker is just worried an outbreak and panic is bad for his booming economy and his re-election in November. Doesn't care one bit if Americans die because of his recklessness. I hope people will soon find out that he stripped the CDC of essential personnel and funding to build his ridiculous wall and a tax cut for the rich. CDC is ill prepared and the person in charge is a reckless, selfish toddler who only cares about himself and his economy.

Trump is probably crawling up the asses of everyone at the CDC, demanding that they come up a Corona cure within 10-14 days, or they will all be fired.

Maybe we can thin out the deplorable herd with Coronavirus. Esp if they listen to Trump & friends who are downplaying it.

Might I be so bold as to suggest the title for the next thread ?

😫 [italic] Saturday Night Fever

Here’s something you should buy: thicker trash bags. Who knows if service will be interrupted.

I was buying the standard white thirteen gallon Costco bags, and the dirty cat sand would stink in the bag. I saw a recommendation to buy trash compactor bags. They are 2. ML thick, so I thought I’d give that a try. Instant change, the smell was all gone. We only get trash pickup here once a week and in the summer the smell is awful.

Costco has boxes of (70)18 gallon bags for $11.99. Not at every location, I got mine at the commercial location, but it was sure worth it. If you’re going to be cooking every meal at home, you don’t want to be dealing with trash smells.

Buy black contractor bags too. They are large and 3.1 ML. That really cuts down on smell too, and service may be reduced.

Here’s something you should buy: thicker trash bags. Who knows if service will be interrupted.

I was buying the standard white thirteen gallon Costco bags, and the dirty cat sand would stink in the bag. I saw a recommendation to buy trash compactor bags. They are 2. ML thick, so I thought I’d give that a try. Instant change, the smell was all gone. We only get trash pickup here once a week and in the summer the smell is awful.

Costco has boxes of (70)18 gallon bags for $11.99. Not at every location, I got mine at the commercial location, but it was sure worth it. If you’re going to be cooking every meal at home, you don’t want to be dealing with trash smells.

Buy black contractor bags too. They are large and 3.1 ML. That really cuts down on smell too, and service may be reduced.

R303 - I think the opposite could happen...it will spread faster in major metro areas which are for the most part blue liberal places.

R307, I'm not R303, but rural places have lower quality hospitals if they have hospitals at all. I'm thinking of my parents in rural Kansas-- a state with an aged population, the rural areas even more so.

They'd have to drive three hours to get to Kansas City or Oklahoma City, and those hospitals would be full of other old people in surrounding areas.

Cities skew younger, more and better facilities and more and better doctors.

Well, it's not April yet, and the weather hasn't warmed up. Once it does, everything will be great again.

So funny, r97. Nice try. No cigar.

R308 While that is true - even cities with numerous hospitals can't compete with the amount of people that can get sick in those areas. Plus more public transportation in cities can definitely cause the spreading to get worse than for people that live in rural areas.

First case in Brazil right as Carnival ends? Watch for a big explosion in cases there.

When Trump give his propaganda speech tonight, he has requested that his new favorite Corona inspired theme song, "Strawberry Fields" be playing in the background.

What if there's a Wuhan Baby Boom?!

I'm afraid to take my son to Ju Jitsu tonight.

I'm taking precautions and not snacking on La Choy Crunchy Noodles right now. We'll have pizza while the President talks to us.

😰 Anyone just returning from the Mardi Gras Festival in New Orleans, and feeling a little under the weather?

^^^Have you ever celebrated in New Orleans?

I just bought sundries and canned food. I’m not as much concerned about the virus, I’m more concerned that people will panic and empty the grocery stores, making everything scarce. I didn’t buy anything I won’t eventually use, so no loss.

Can't help but think this virus is one of nature's ways of telling us that 'there are too many of you humans!'

I'm gonna head over to home depot - there are a couple masks now on their website that say "limited stock" at my nearby store - maybe I'll get lucky .

We have the "Ash & Dash" at a few of our local churches on Ash Wednesday. If you're not familiar ..... You pull into the church lot, roll down your window, and the priest/minister/deacon comes right up to your car, puts ashes on your forehead, and off you go!

I had visions of someone approaching the car in a HazMat suit. Didn't happen here, but I bet it's happening at a church somewhere.

It’s not temperature that kills these viruses. It’s that people are less likely to gather indoors in groups. They go outside, in smaller groups or alone - limiting contagion.

I think it's God's way of telling us that he's not happy with the world.

Any Psychic input yet on YouTube etc?

It is punishment for Trump.

Did the Pope wear a priestly hazmat Papal Robe for Lenten services today?

Dick Pound for President, r145.

The virus has landed in NY

Clarification on above: In Nassau County, NY: More than 80 people being monitored for #coronavirus risk; one test sample pending; no confirmed cases in

You just gotta know that someone in New York is infected.

Congratulations American eldergays! Join the corona party! Feel free to leave me your stuff. I might even take care of all 10 of your cats if you are rich enough.

bbcnews-Coronavirus cases jump to 400 in Italy

R106, I'm going to try to stick up on low-carb foods, even though many advise to get big bags of rice, pastas, beans, etc.

Instead, this weekend I'll buy canned tuna, salmon, and chicken; olives; frozen cauliflower, spinach, zucchini, and broccoli; frozen shrimp; butter, non-processed cheeses, almond milk; couple dozen eggs; and some lamb chops and ground lamb to freeze.

Tomorrow Amazon is delivering to me months' worth of toilet paper and paper towels, plus I'll have 120 bottles of water, getting more.

I'll use my new 25% coupon from CVS to get Theraflu and Tylenol.

CNN-First coronavirus case reported in Norway

A person has tested positive for coronavirus in Norway, the country’s Institute for Public Health (NIPH) announced in a statement. This is the first case recorded in the Scandinavian country.

The person has no symptoms but was tested after returning from an area of China affected by the outbreak. The NIPH said it was a “weak positive result."

“The NIPH considers it very unlikely that the person poses an infection risk to others," said Line Vold, director of the Department of Infection Control and Preparedness at NIPH.

As a precaution, the person is undergoing quarantine at their home, Vold added.

cnn-It is "highly probable" New York will have cases of coronavirus, governor says

New York state has “explored” 27 cases of coronavirus, and all tests have come back negative except one case that is still pending, NY State Governor Andrew Cuomo said at a press conference.

Cuomo went on to say that he believes the case that is pending is in Nassau County on Long Island, NY.

“It is highly probably that you will see a continuing spread of this virus. It is highly probable that we will have people in New York State who test positive,” Cuomo said

Additionally Gov. Cuomo said that he is submitting an emergency supplemental appropriations bill to the state legislature asking for $40 million additional dollars for the New York Department of Health to respond to the virus.

Cuomo said that New York State is currently in the “containment phase” of dealing with the virus. “Our operating paradigm is always prepare for the worst and hope for the best,” he said.

Greater New York Hospital Association President Kenneth Raske joined Cuomo at the press conference and said that hospitals have been working on preparing for coronavirus for weeks.

He said that the resources that the system has to deal with possible cases are “significant.”

Trump official can't answer simple coronavirus questions | Anderson Cooper

Orange County, CA declaring a local emergency about coronvirus

Orange County officials will declare a local health emergency Wednesday in response to the coronavirus that has infected more than 81,000 people worldwide, including 59 cases in the United States.

County Supervisors Michelle Steel and Andrew Do plan to hold a news conference at 1:30 p.m. with local health officials in Santa Ana to discuss the declaration.

The city of San Francisco declared a similar emergency Tuesday following the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s warning that the virus is likely to continue to spread. Santa Clara and San Diego counties have issued similar declarations.

First confirmed cases of COVID-19 hit Pakistan. The country's minister of health tweeted that there are two cases of the disease and that patients are, "being taken care of according to clinical standard protocols & both of them are stable."

For the first time, more new cases of the coronavirus were reported outside China than in the country where the epidemic originated, the World Health Organization says.

The World Health Organization reported that the number of new cases reported outside China on Tuesday exceeded the number of new infections inside the country for the first time. The number in China was 412, while the tally in the rest of the world was 459.

In Europe, where Germany, France and Spain were among the places with a growing caseload, an expanding cluster of more than 440 cases in northern Italy was eyed as a source for transmissions. In the Middle East, where cases increased in Bahrain, Kuwait and Iraq, blame was directed toward Iran. In Asia, where the crisis originated late last year in China, threats continued to emerge around the region, with South Korea battling a mass outbreak centered in the 2.5 million-person city of Daegu.

Italy recorded 78 new infections on Wednesday and Greece became the newest country to see a case of the virus. South Korea announced 284 new cases, largely in Daegu, bringing its total to 1,261. China, still the epicenter of the crisis even as new outposts caught the world’s attention, reported 406 new cases and 52 more deaths. The country has a total of 78,604 cases of the virus and 2,715 fatalities.

China said Wednesday that those sickened by the virus included 555 prisoners who officials said likely became infected by guards using the same bus station as a nearby pulmonary hospital. In a twist, China is now heavily regulating arrivals from abroad, with authorities placing South Koreans under monitoring, state broadcaster CCTV reported, after five people on a flight showed signs of fever.

Add vodka, gin & limes & mixers to your prepper lists!

If there's a possible or a suspected case, y'all know damn well Corona has officially come to your town!

It's a mental illness to wish for a virus to ravage a country to score political points. Democrats are always flailing around like retards if it means they can attack Trump. This isn't about Trump ffs.

It reinforces your mental illness when you PRAISE CHINA for their unnecessary human rights abuses in response to this. And yes, sealing people in boxes and in their apartment buildings is a human rights abuse.

We literally know so little about this virus publicly, and people wanting to freak the FUCK out about it - and look to the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY for answers and "containment" guidance - just shows how pathetic our culture is.

Shave off your facial hair, goddammit:

I guess we are going to have to look at the warm weather countries to see how the weather is affecting the virus.

Okay, now I am panicking. :) I read that it will effect Diet Coke and Coke Zero shipments!

Trump is addicted to Diet Coke, the rat bastard will fill warehouses with cartons of it for himself.

Nicotine gum and l-arginine help during cytokine storm. If you find yourself experiencing a very accelerated fever, like it comes on suddenly and strongly, chew a nicotine gum for 30 seconds, then stick it to your ankle under your sock. Take a couple grams of l-arginine. Then get the hell to the hospital and tell them to give you kineret, a rheuatoid arthritis drug that is capable of stopping cytokine overexpression in its tracks, this is fairly new research so a lot of doctors aren't aware of it, look it up yourselves, in particular a recent book called _Cytokine Storm Syndrome_ by Randy Cron.

N95 masks are not effective. We established that a few threads ago. The CV spores are very small.

Oh hell, 147 new cases in a day in Italy, making it 470 total. Starting to look like the numbers at the beginning of the epidemic in China.

"Our eyes might play an important role in the spread and prevention of the coronavirus outbreak threatening China and a number of other countries.

For example, a Peking University physician believes he may have contracted the coronavirus while not wearing eye protection when treating patients. Medical officials, though, say while this is possible, it may be unlikely.

Meanwhile, to cut your risk of contracting coronavirus, avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth with unwashed hands.

The World Health Organization (WHO) also recommends protective eyewear, among other precautions, if you will be near someone with the virus for an extended period."

I don't know if someone already posted it, but this is a pretty good website with live updates.

Just went to Winco. When I put some 5 gallon pails in my cart, a clerk rushed over to me and started saying there was a steady stream of shoppers all day buying preps. Seemed like she wanted somebody to talk to about it. She said in a way she was glad they were telling people so they had time to shop instead of waiting until the last minute. Interesting.

What are your pails for R353?

Yes, Doctor R349, those virus SPORES will get you every time.

To the guy who was worrying about his vitamin D supply during an outbreak and bought mushroom kits on Amazon: How are your home grown mushrooms are doing? Afraid you started growing them too early?

"We didn't know but it was already there, already standing in line with us."

If you want to get vitamin D go stand out in the sun.

I posted this visual about the spores here a few days ago. I am not Ryan.

You don’t know what a spore is.

Some doctor has been sneezing and coughing all day at my private office. Also she shared the same office space with me. I don’t know what the fuck she has but it is freaking me out. We don’t have the CDC’s Covid 19 test kit. Fml.

83 people in Nassau County being monitored for possible coronavirus exposure

Eighty-three Nassau County residents have been asked to undergo a two-week voluntary quarantine from the date that they traveled to China or had contact with someone infected with the virus, news station WPVI reported.

“We’re monitoring this situation in Nassau very, very closely and have been right from the beginning to respond to any cases should they emerge in our county,” Nassau County Executive Laura Curran said at a press conference.

The group is required to report their temperature and any symptoms every day to local health officials, WPVI reported.

No one has been diagnosed with the virus, but tests for one resident are pending, officials said.

“Should someone need medical care, we’ll evaluate it and we have protocols in place to safely get them medical care,” Nassau County Department of Health Commissioner Dr. Lawrence Eisenstein said.

News of Nassau’s quarantine comes a day after federal officials warned that it’s only a matter of time before the infection spreads through local communities.

tRump has Rush Limbaugh and his flunkies downplaying it. I can't stand to listen to tRump's voice so will have to read the summary of his Coronavirus speech tonight but not holding out much hope for the idiot who says windmills call cancer.

has cruising in public restrooms and hooking up in general gone down with all this hyped paranoia?

Dr. Tom Inglesby, Johns Hopkins Center For Health Security Director, was just on MSNBC. He said most will be OK, but the elderly and those with preexisting conditions need to be careful. He did say it is something to be very concerned about.

Didn't the WHO give a press conference after visiting China?

Did they say if this was airborne?? Do they know or not? They are fucking useless!

Which means 50% is gonna die. Just look at how many fat fucks are in the USA...diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease. All these people are not in good health.

R354, rice beans, and most important of all, pet food. At least that’s what someone tells me ;)

They have a spinner lid, which means you can easily unscrew the lid like a jar lid. They’re really useful for a lot of things and food safe. And they stack and have a handle.

That is going to be a lot of bulk buying of rice and beans.

This virus really came at the worst possible time. I'm supposed to visit Japan for three weeks starting at the end of March. If Japan's travel alert hits Level 3, then I will cancel but I'm wondering if I should cancel now. I'm 31, healthy, no pre-existing conditions, and I don't smoke.

CNN's Marshall Cohen:

Rush Limbaugh and right-wing fringe sites are attacking Dr. Nancy Messonnier, a top CDC official handling the coronavirus response, because she is Rod Rosenstein's sister. They're spreading the lie that she's part of the deep state and trying to tank the markets to weaken Trump.

Any news on where in Nassau? Syosset? East Meadow?

In terms of the discussion regarding the efficiency of spreading in cold temperatures I am linking an article about the Flu. This is not a flu virus, but from personal experience the common cold corona viruses seem to follow a similar seasonal pattern, so perhaps a bit of hope.

R370 Is your life worth the inconvenience of rescheduling? Even Tom Cruise stopped filming in Italy due to the virus. But it's your life.

[quote]I think it's God's way of telling us that he's not happy with the world.

NOW he tells us?

r370 if they're talking about canceling the Olympics (they are), it might be a good idea not to travel to Japan. I don't have anything booked, but I was planning to go this summer -- not anymore.

The world is going to pay for China's strange dining habits, then? Is that the bottom line?

I have tickets to Italy in mid March. I'm keeping an eye on the situation there to see if I have to cancel.

R377 You better cancel now. This is just the beginning.

Every so many decades, something major happens as a means of population control. We haven't had a World War or a serious natural disasters for so long, Mother Earth thought: here, have a deadly virus.

Spring cleaning time. Of humans.

There's a thread on the press conference. Now.

CoronaVirus Trump Press Conference thread, for those interested.

Trump is late, it's after 6:30. Maybe they have to drag him kicking and screaming.

r376 I just saw an article that they have told them to stop eating dogs, bats, and snakes because of this virus

Live webcast on the latest developments.

Not good at all.

1.7 billion people to feed. They are not going to stop eating random shit.

R373, I'm not worried about catching the virus myself. I'm just not. And I'm certainly not worried about dying because of it, but I am concerned that if things worsen in Japan while I'm there that I might be quarantined or delayed in coming back to the States.

I don't see many healthy 30-somethings with no pre-existing conditions getting the virus much less dying from it. I believe the one doctor in Wuhan who died was likely have been reinfected multiple times due to stress and being in close quarters with the infected for a long time.

I'm R370, FYI ^^

R343 who is praising China? You sound like a nut.

Trump has gutted the CDC and other agencies with infectious disease specialists. He is a fucking anti science, psychotic, mentally ill, moron.

Who is praising China? Every fucking idiot on this forum when they think it's gopnna stick it to Big Orange. They do the same thing with Iran, remember when the plane was shot down? And all the dumb cunts here were taking the side of the Ayatollahs? That's how fucked in the head they are, and how unable they are to get the fuck over Big Orange -- they sided with people who would, at best, force them to get a sex change, or, if they were in a bad mood, would have them fucking stoned to death. They sided with people like that. They're as fucking evil as Trump is.

Oh fuck off R388. You really are an idiot.

Trump Admin Lacks Credibility To Calm Markets On Coronavirus News | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

There have literally been hundreds of posts here about how we can't trust the Chinese reports about the number of victims. And I don't know how many videos that show the Chinese dragging people out of their homes, and boarding up others with the victims still inside. R388 is either a right-winger trying to defend Trump's massive incompetence or dialing in from planet crazy.

From FUX: Trump says coronavirus vaccine coming along 'rapidly,' risk to US 'remains very low'

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As Americans' fears grow of a possible coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., President Trump was addressing the nation in a Wednesday evening news conference at the White House to discuss how his administration was handling the virus threat -- saying that a vaccine is being developed "rapidly" and "coming along very well."

The president also announced he was putting Vice President Mike Pence "in charge" of coronavirus prevention efforts, effective immediately.

"Because of all we've done, the risk to the American people remains very low," Trump said at the press conference."We're ready to adapt, and we're ready to do whatever we have to."

Well, we're all going to die. Trump has made Pence the Coronavirus czar - which means he already knows it's going to be a shit show and will blame Pence when it all goes tits up.

Are they still only screening passengers from China only? Shouldn't they be screening S.Korea and Italy as well??

"Flight Attendant Diagnosed With Coronavirus Might Have Worked Flights Out of LAX, Reports Say"

R370, I have a friend that is traveling to Japan next week. His ticket was non refundable, and he has been planning this trip for months. He is bringing hand sanitizer, antibacterial wipes, and masks. He is also in his early 30’s and isn’t ‘too’ worried. I posted in another thread about having some of the same fears as you, because I’m going to Costa Rica next week. I’m more afraid that they won’t let me back into the US, or that I will get sick and not have access to good healthcare and supplies(I’m staying for 2 weeks). I decided to stock my house up with supplies, in case shit hits the fan while I’m gone, and hope for the best. At this point, I’m wondering if we will all get it anyway.

R385 You think they're transparent with who's actually dying? Don't count on it. Don't travel.

Sounds like Iran is becoming Wuhan n°2

R397, I think that they haven’t even come close to reporting the total numbers of people dying, but the percentage of older people dying from the virus are probably pretty accurate.

Trump is such a FUCKING LIAR. He's still denying that the Corona Virus is a threat. He's turning this briefing into a campaign rally, criticizing Democrats by name, and blowing his own horn about his fabulous accomplishments

According to him, it just like the flu. All you have to do is wash your hands and cover your mouth when you cough.

I hate this lying son of a bitch. He deserves to be America's first victim.

yeah, read that another top official in Iran got it too...I will shed no tear...they are cunts. that's karma for throwing people off buildings.

Whoops here is the video with subtitles. Guy is a nurse, says 8 people died during his shift.

Donald Trump's is the King of Denial.

R403, yes he is. remember the thing about his weight and how much he weighed etc? fucking fat fuck.

What a #ShitShow

CNN-LAX airport is being disinfected every hour

As the fear of novel coronavirus increase among travelers, Los Angeles International Airport is cleaning public areas and facilities at least once an hour, airport spokesperson Becca Doten tells CNN.

Higher traffic areas, such as restrooms, are being cleaned even more often, Doten said.

“We’re disinfecting LAX every hour,” Mayor Eric Garcetti said at a news conference. “We’re making sure that those points of entry and those places where we could see somebody come in and create a vector, are as secure as we can possibly make them knowing we can never have 100% security.”

The frequency of cleaning is the same as usual, but the extent is has increased, Doten explained.

“We increased the deep cleaning and sanitizing of the restrooms as well as other public areas. This includes surfaces outside restrooms commonly touched by passengers. Also, our cleaning products are formulated to kill germs (both bacteria and viruses),” Doten said.

The CDC continues to screen some arriving passengers for potential signs of coronavirus, and more than 100 additional hand sanitizer stations have been installed throughout the airport.

CNN-At least 1,200 hospital beds prepared in case of a coronavirus outbreak in New York

New York City has prepared at least 1,200 hospital beds in case of a coronavirus outbreak, Mayor Bill De Blasio announced at a news conference Wednesday.

The hospital beds are readily available and won’t compromise other health services, he said.

The city still has no active cases of the virus but officials believe they are well-equipped to handle a possible outbreak, according to De Blasio. The city has asked for an additional minimum of 300,000 face masks after already distributing about 1.5 million masks. They plan to ask for federal assistance to get that need met from private manufacturers.

De Blasio is also requesting the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to expand its testing of travelers beyond China, to include Hong Kong, Iran, Italy, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand.

Despite that Trump says everything is hunky dory, If you're going to be foolish enough to travel, especially overseas, make sure to update your will, and get the rest of your affairs in order.

One can never be too safe or too prepared.

Despite that Trump says everything is hunky dory, If you're going to be foolish enough to travel, especially overseas, make sure to update your will, and get the rest of your affairs in order.

One can never be too safe or too prepared.

Just came back from my coronavirus shopping trip at costco. The cashier was told by her manager tonight that they expect it to get super busy this weekend.

The only other things I need are a case of diet tonic & a case of cava. Otherwise I'm set for 6-8 weeks of hunkering down.

Also, you may think you're healthy but you may have an undiagnosed heart problem or who knows what. Make sure you have your health proxies, DNR, other medical directives ready, POA, last will prepared before you make the trip.

Do you think it's safe to go to a movie theater next week? It'll be a daytime matinee so it shouldn't be very crowded.

R412, yes go. I think it's fine.

Go ahead, r412. I'm sure any traces of the deadliest virus known in the history of humankind will be gone by the time you get there.

Sorry R388, I meant my post at R391 for R385

Ignore Iran, look at Italy, France, other allied countries. The Iranians have a lot to gain by creating panic in the markets, and (despite their many fans here on DL) they are world-class assholes who absolutely would do that.

from the NYTimes

C.D.C. Confirms First Possible Community Transmission of Coronavirus in U.S. A case in California may be the first infection without a known link to travel abroad.

Roni Caryn Rabin By Roni Caryn Rabin Feb. 26, 2020 Updated 8:10 p.m. ET

A person in California who was not exposed to anyone with the coronavirus and had not traveled to countries in which the virus is circulating has tested positive for the new coronavirus, representing what may be the first case of community spread here in the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Wednesday.

“At this point, the patient’s exposure is unknown,” a C.D.C. statement said. “The case was detected through the U.S. public health system and picked up by astute clinicians.”

R417, damn...it's happening...fuck!!!!

who the fuck is this person?

Fucking useless cunts still not screening people from Italy and elsewhere...it will be too late when they do it!

Trump said no need...it's gonna come back and bite him in his fat ass!!!!

R416 is a moron

This us frightening. "Coronavirus uncontained: First case in U.S. from unknown source is in Northern California"

*is

R421 oh fuck, we’re all screwed.

R410, that’s what I was told at Winco too.

When I was at Sam’s, I saw two women together, each one with a separate shopping cart. Between the two, they had 11 cases of Corona beer, 1 case of Coke and some Jack Daniels. That’s all.

R424 that’s just a Deplorable BBQ

Between the Ash Wednesday ceremony at the Vatican today and a big soccer game coming up this weekend in Turin with 1,000s in attendance, stay aware of Italy in the coming weeks for a flare up. The way they are spiking in numbers already seems to indicate they do not have it under control.

I've decided not to go the rice/beans/pasta carb direction, and instead ordered from Amazon packs of canned yellow fin tuna, chicken, and sardines. This weekend I'll get at the grocery frozen broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, and zucchini, plus canned vegetables, V-8, Diet Coke, canned salmon.

Already have coming tomorrow from Amazon many rolls of t.p. and paper towels.

Mike Pence's plan for combatting COVID-19: Pray.

In a way, it’s a good thing Pence was given this job. Deplorables don’t know much about him, unless they’re from his state. All they know is he is “persecuted” for his rigid religious beliefs.

In reality, he’s grossly incompetent and not much smarter than Trump. Let people see that. Then they’ll think twice about him taking over for Trump if he keels over.

I went to Walmart in advance of potential panic in my neighbourhood and picked up the following: Coconut Oil, Brie, Flour, Pancake Mix, Maple Syrup, new shower curtain and bed pillows, birdfood, water, Shredded Wheat, cat food cases, ingredients for chicken broth (celery, chicken, onions, carrots), more cheese, bar soap, shampoo, carnation milk. I also got 2 small bottles of Tea Tree oil and cleaned bathroom so the house smells clean and "disinfected". Cats also have their own grain-fed roast chicken as treats.

Tomorrow I'm finishing rest of shopping: More water, Chicken and other ingredients for fried rice (ginger, rice, tamari sauce, frozen peas, carrots, celery), toilet paper, paper towels, lypsyll, pasta, canned wild salmon for cats, fruit, wine, maple syrup, toothpaste, olives, frozen vegetables, frozen blueberries, Greek yogurt, laundry detergent and whatever else grabs my attention.

This will be the way Trump gets to boot Pence to the curb because this whole thing will be a clusterfuck. Then he’ll put Nikki Haley in as his new VP.

So they won’t even say where the California case is. Nice job CDC.

There know where it is and who has it R432.

*They

[quote]The patient is a resident of Solano County and receiving medical treatment in Sacramento County, according to the California Department of Public Health.

[quote]Solano County is home to Travis Airforce Base, where Americans returning from overseas have been quarantined for coronavirus screening.

Trump: "More people have died from the flu."

Of course they have, #DonnieDumbass. The flu has been around forever. Corona is the new disease we've just been introduced to, and we're just getting to know each other.

Tourism, concerts, sporting events, celebrations, even graduation ceremonies, man, there are going to be massive economic and personal effects. People will fear to leave their house.

There is no way the Olympics will go on.

November is a ways away, but can you think of a better vote suppresser?

[quote] We must realize that in our crowded world of 7.8 billion people, a combination of altered human behaviors, environmental changes, and inadequate global public health mechanisms now easily turn obscure animal viruses into existential human threats.1-3 We have created a global, human-dominated ecosystem that serves as a playground for the emergence and host-switching of animal viruses, especially genetically error-prone RNA viruses, whose high mutation rates have, for millions of years, provided opportunities to switch to new hosts in new ecosystems.

NPR recently did a story about how digital downloads of the movie Contagion have skyrocketed since the CoronaVirus has become a thing. It's become the most popular movie in the world in the past month.

Maybe the CoronaVirus will resurrect Gwyneth Paltrow's acting career.

R432 the Northern California case is in Solano County.

These threads are reproducing almost as quickly as the virus.

This one will be closed by morning.

Nominations for part eight should begin.

Caronavirus Freakout Part 8: This is the emperor of TEOTWAWKI?

Coronavirus Freakout Part 8: WHO fucked up!

Coronavirus Freakout Part 8: Do you CDC what I CDC?

Coronavirus Freakout Part 8: My European Quarantine

Coronavirus Freakout Part 8: Insert REM song here

I had the privilege (?) of naming two previous threads, but I’ve already started one of them, and I think a new poster should always get the chance to start the next one.

Whoever suggested this title should get the honor of starting the next thread. Soon.

These things become unmanageable after 400 posts.

Let’s get this over with and start anew!

Maybe it would be a good idea if people would stop traveling around the world for at little while for their vacations? Idiots.

And, as has been stated before but maybe not properly absorbed...it's not that the virus is taken out by warmth during the warmer seasons. It's that people don't sit in the same room breathing and coughing all over each other for hours and hours a day.

Also, viruses are too small for those masks to make a difference. You'll probably end up infecting yourself by poking yourself in the eye with a virally loaded finger while trying to reposition your mask.

And, finally, I hope Trump has it!

R334 another low carber here. I just came home from the store and I bought lots of frozen broccoli (I don't think I could do canned vegetables) I got 10 packs of chicken breasts that I will freeze, lots of those Atkins Ham & Cheese Omelette breakfast meals (they are good and you can freeze them)

I did go to Home Depot and then Lowes - despite the website saying Limited availability on the masks - they had NOTHING. I will clean an old N95 mask I had from painting over the summer. It's not perfect but it is better than nothing.

But then when I get home a complete BOMBSHELL

The coronavirus may cause shortages of diet coke! I drink that (yes, I know it's bad for me but it's my one bad habit...) I'm going to have to go back out tomorrow and buy all the diet coke I can find.

If they are saying we may have shortages of Diet Coke - everyone will raid the stores for it.

This is just awful. I could deal with eating carbs if absolutely necessary but I can't go without my diet coke

How many people actually know the correct way to wash their hands? I went to school for a nursing degree and discovered that I knew nothing about proper hand washing. They should have this done as PSA several times throughout the day on TV. Maybe it's on You Tube. You really need to watch it demonstrated to understand what a thorough hand washing entails.

Big Virus in Little China

Do we actually have proof that hand sanitizer has any effect on Corona?

Things you're thankful Trump hasn't thought of (yet). From Yahoo News.

[quote] Iran to Sentence Citizens Who “Spreads Rumors” about Coronavirus to Flogging, Three Years in Prison

R445 Or Little Virus in Big China

It’s a little late for a China title. How about “Coronavirus Freakout Part 8: Coming to America”?

Way up thread someone suggested Saturday Night Fever, which was popular with DLers .

I also vote for Saturday Night Fever.

r449 so weird, I read r448, went to the bathroom and while there thought, "Coming to America! It fits! I'm so clever!", came back, and you got there first.

I got nothin.

Thanks for all the advice here. I wouldn’t have thought to stock up and prepare, but now I’m ready.

If it’s “Coming to America”, then people should at least be familiar with the...song.

If it’s “Coming to America”, then people should at least be familiar with the...song.

Or did you mean the Eddie Murphy movie?

Or did you mean the Eddie Murphy movie?

Cases in South Korea have exploded higher, with an official report of 334 new cases, bringing the total to 1,595.

We‘re all getting on with our lives whilst hopefully being mindful of impactful changes around us. I’m in the middle of selling up and moving house. Through the consuming process of dealing with associated legal and practical issues I’m having to resist the urge to just find a cave and ride this out. Does anyone else feel the same?

I'm very glad I work from home, have strong introvert shut-in tendencies, and have supplies for about 6 weeks on hand. I hope it's enough. My biggest concern is my dumbass 70yo smoker mother who literally gives the wall a blank stare every time I try to get her to take it seriously.

A patient from Japan was flown to Sacramento, then medivaced to Long Island. My question is this: what about the planes and the helicopter? You know they didn’t take them out of service. We already know that the virus can live on surfaces for 9 hours. They should be watching this, too! And they are not!

Human trial vaccine will start in 6 weeks according to National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). The WH has asked for $1.25 billion to fund research into treatment and development of vaccine. Politicians and not just fucktard Trump but the Dems trying to score political points on this are not the best source for public health policies and the containment of epidemics. I wouldn't trust what the Dems and certainly not Trump have to say policy-wise in this matter. I have to applaud the HHS which oversees the NIAID for acting so swiftly and coordinating with researchers and healthcare authorities to fast track the human vaccine trial.

There will be a remdesivir trial, and it's an actual RCT (randomized control trial) because the whole point is to see if the treatment works for those who are infected. So far there is one volunteer patient (that we know of) who was on the Princess cruise ship; don't know what that patient's condition is though, whether he/ she has mild course of disease or serious symptoms requiring ICU level of care.

An exciting news on the vaccine front. There will be human trial of SARS-CoV-2 vaccine in 2 weeks. It's interesting because instead of injecting you with protein that your immune system makes antibodies against, this trial is for a RNA vaccine. RNA acts as a messenger that carries genetic information/ blueprint copied from the DNA (which contains the actual genetic information) to control protein synthesis. Basically the RNA acts as a translator of proteins. With this vaccine, they're injecting you with the instructions in the form of RNA coding for antigen into your antigen-presenting cells. The body has antigen-presenting-cells that normally patrol for pathogens and destroy these pathogens. In the process these antigen-presenting-cells present the protein antigens to your immune cells. In a nutshell, the encoded RNA has the instructions for your antigen-presenting-cells to produce surface protein antigens that in turn stimulate certain immune cells which recognize these antigens to then produce antibodies against the virus. It is a form of direct response that allows for long-term memory against subsequent exposure to same virus or evolving variants of the virus. Your body can then make its own tweaks to target the virus as it mutates. Thus you get a primary response (vaccine) and a secondary response (exposure to actual pathogen) that is both rapid and robust. Benefits of RNA vaccines include shortening the vaccine production time, therefore enabling us to get vaccine out during an epidemic as opposed to after epidemic has passed. It also allow for scaling and reaching potentially millions of people with this type of vaccine.

Yes, R458. It’s slow and getting here, but it is slowly getting closer. It feels like I’m being stalked by a predictor in the African jungle. It sets off all my vestigial alarm signals.

Thanks R439 . Like I wasnt already frightened enough .

Contagion is a good movie. Matt Damon is terrible in it, but I just overlook that. Otherwise, I think it’s well done.

Welp, I work for a government agency not in DC. We got an email today saying we could wear masks etc.

I have a weird cold and am a little concerned it is Coronavirus. Could I have gotten it from my Chinese food takeout delivery? The Kung Pao Chicken WAS to die for!

I found the N95 masks I bought for the fires but that arrived too late, so I've got that going for me.

R464, don't forget fat. He was very fat in that movie.

How about this for a title: My Corona!

Are public officials pleading with businesses to clean their premises regularly? Office and retail places?

Well?

So the administration is now National Lampoon’s Pandemic Response Team?

Jesus already.

I actually know where a cave is. I should take my cache and my sleeping bag and bunker down. It’s tempting.

You can add al least one zero to the Iran total.

NHK is reporting a woman in Japan who had tested positive for COVID-19, was hospitalized then released after testing negative, has tested positive again.

"Attention! Attention! The CoronaVirus is coming this way!"

I haven't been this scared since the killer bee pandemic of the 1980s.

What are the chances that it’s already widespread throughout the U.S.?

R424 Nice, I like the way they think. I wanna party and quarantine with them.

R443 Diet Coke, WTF? That’s my go to beverage of choice. Now I am starting to panic.

R478

They are literally. Literally! Predicting disruptions of Diet Coke lasting six months. Six fucking months!

Fraus will die of withdrawal!

Not you, though. Not you. You’ll be fine, I’m sure.

Be sure to call before you visit. We might be at the cabin.

Kisses!

More about the woman in Japan who was reinfected after release

3h ago 02:11

NHK is reporting that a Japanese woman who was treated for Covid-19, confirmed as virus-free, and left hospital earlier this month has since retested positive for the disease.

According to the report, the woman is a tour-guide in her 40s, in the city of Osaka.

She began feeling throat and chest pain about two weeks after leaving hospital, and after several visits to doctors, retested positive for the illness, NHK said.

She is now in hospital and has not been to work or in contact with anyone, it said.

The article said prefecture authorities believed she had either been reinfected or that the virus had remained in the woman and multiplied.

R479 did they say 6 months?

I decided not to wait until tomorrow - I just returned from two Walmart’s (in a total downpour) and stocked up on Diet Coke. I bought 12 6 packs of the 16ounce bottles. I went to two stores and got 6 of the 6 packs at each store - because I didn’t want anyone thinking I was a total addict..

But 6 months.. I only have 72 16 ounce bottles. I will have to go out tomorrow again and get more.

I guess this also effects caffeine free Diet Coke? I drink that too...

Is anyone else being forcibly redirected to a spam site when they’re on this thread?

I’m on an iPad.

It’s happened 10-12 times in the last 24 hours.

#CCCP DENIAL OF SERVICE ?

No. No spam issues for me

No, r482.

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More details about the northern california case from SF Gate:

New details emerged Wednesday evening about the latest COVID-19 case in Northern California that's being called the first in the United States that has no known connection to travel abroad or another known case.

The patient, who is a resident of Solano County, was brought to UC Davis Medical Center from another Northern California hospital on Feb. 19, but it wasn't until four days later, on Feb. 23, that the CDC heeded a request to test the patient for new coronavirus, according to an email sent to employees Wednesday by the hospital’s interim CEO, Brad Simmons, and David Lubarsky, CEO of UC Davis Health.

The patient arrived on a ventilator, and special protection orders were issued “because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to the email.

The hospital asked the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to test for the coronavirus, but testing was delayed until Sunday “since the patient did not fit the existing CDC criteria for COVID-19,” the email said.

I'm praying that I don't get Corona.

I probably wouldn't survive. If I catch even the slightest cold, I dislocate ribs every time I cough.

R482 CCCP ? That is what the USSR (Russia) was formerly known as.

R443, r334 here. Yikes! I'm a Diet Coke fiend! I'll get right on that one, too!

I forgot about chicken breasts; my store has a $1.99/lb sale on now. And thanks for the Atkins tip!

I'm part of the Pepsi Generation !

I'm part of the Pepsi Generation.

Australian Government initiates emergency plan to deal with the Coronavirus. Not waiting for WHO.

They will close the borders soon but haven't announced that yet because they don't want the stock markets to collapse I would say.

I'm supposed to be in NYC next week and I'm driving. That means stops at rest areas (for the toilet, not to eat), then hotel, meals eaten out, and an event I'm attending that's a large gathering.

I want to think I'll be fine, and maybe I will. But it also sounds like I'll be risking exposure...should I be scared or just hope for the best?

I see everyone still attending Paris fashion shows, so how are those any different??

[quote]You'll probably end up infecting yourself by poking yourself in the eye with a virally loaded finger while trying to reposition your mask.

Haha

I’m in London and they are being frighteningly quiet about this all. No government official has made any statement. We know it’s here as there are so many coming in and out every day. Many schools are closed down and places of work are beginning to close too but no one is saying anything. The stores are fully stocked, etc. Bizarre. As it stood a couple of weeks ago the hospitals had 4 hour wait times already to get a bed so imagine what this could do. I think they’re unprepared as well. There are quarantine areas that I’m reading about today but the public isn’t told anything. They can’t even handle the sick people that we have already got so I cannot imagine what will happen if this goes rampant.

R496. I live in London as well and have been thinking exactly the same thing. I have an Ocado order coming tonight with extra provisions just in case. Also, the police have been so underfunded for so long that any civil unrest due to shortages will quickly spiral out of control.

R442 people work all year In offices. There is actually an ideal temperature and air humidity range for maximum flu (and potentially other virus) transmission. The NYT article I linked earlier explained it.

Also did anyone else see Rachel Maddow’s show last night?

[quote] You can add al least one zero to the Iran total.

hah! adding zero will make it the same ...you mean multiply by 10 😉

R500 = the ghost of Katherine Johnson would just cannot help herself even from the other side.

and how many people did the patient infect at the hospital?

You know there is more than 1.

Fuck the CDC who refused to test the patient at first.

CNN-In historic move, Saudi Arabia suspends travel for pilgrimages to Islam’s holiest sites

Saudi Arabia has suspended pilgrimages to Mecca and Medina for people outside the country over novel coronavirus fears. The kingdom, which bills itself as the custodian of Islam’s two holiest sites, will open religious rituals to residents and nationals only.

CNN-Japan's Prime Minister requests closure of all schools until April

The number of confirmed cases in Japan has risen to more than 800 -- nearly 700 of which were reported on the cruise liner -- and seven people have died.

CNN-Iran coronavirus deaths reach 22, as crisis worsens

The mortality rate from Covid-19 in Iran has soared to over 13% -- significantly higher than any other country experiencing an outbreak of the pathogen. Some suspect that may be down to an under-reporting of the total number of cases, which stand at more than 140. The death rate in China's Hubei province, the epicenter of the virus, is around 2%.

Despite the virus' spread, President Hassan Rouhani said on Wednesday that authorities won't quarantine any Iranian cities. He also warned about the virus becoming "a weapon at the hands of our enemies," as part of "propaganda" against the country.

Iran's Qom province has become ground zero of the country's coronavirus outbreak with 63 confirmed cases, according to state news agency IRNA. Pilgrimages have continued unabated to the holy city of Qom, despite health officials calling on clerics to limit visitors.

The city of Shenzhen drafted legislation to prohibit the consumption of pooches in an effort to improve food safety, the Daily Express reported on Wednesday.

The ban would also extend to snakes, frogs and turtle meat. If passed, it will be the first of its kind in the country, the outlet reported.

The proposed legislation — which was described by lawmakers as a “universal civilization requirement of modern society” — comes after China already banned the trade and consumption of wild animals nationwide.

The deadly new virus was traced to a wildlife market in the city of Wuhan, in China’s Hubei province.

The outbreak, which was discovered in December, has spread to more than 80,000 people across the world and has killed over 2,700.

Diet Coke makes you fat. That's why you always see fat people drinking it. Be glad there might be a shortage.

Hey guys - I woke up this morning all sweaty and feeling very sick. I have a sore throat, chills and bad cough. I can feel the extra mucas in my lungs.

I hope I didn't catch this thing while I was out panic buying - or from my mom who works in a pharmacy and is around sick people all day long.

Oh well, it was nice knowing you. I guess there are benefits to being single without kids. If I die it won't really effect anyone but my elder relatives.

R507 - we are DLers and we are not fat. We compensate out diet coke habits by eating low carb diets.

Denmark reports its first case of the coronavirus in a man who returned from a ski holiday in Italy. Estonia's first infection is a man who had recently returned from Iran.

Stop traveling, people!

Thread on the latest research.

“Compared to (old) SARS’ way of entry, [the new] binding method is “100 to 1,000 times” as efficient”.

I'm wintering in Palm Springs and won't be able to stock up until early April when I return home. I hope the shelves aren't empty by then. Amongst other things I want to get a second tank of propane for the grill.

There's a good reason people are being told to stay home.

But some people refuse to listen.

R507 Diet Coke and other diet soda's do not make anybody fat - the contain zero calories. But they do make some people crave food and thus eat more. Also, some people think 'hey I'm drinking a Diet Coke I can eat a donut too'.

Much like wearing a mask to try to avoid viruses when they don't work at all but people feel psychologically better wearing them so no harm done.

There’s a guy on twitter called @richisalsohere who says he’s living in Italy. Sounds like he’s an American in the military living there with his wife and seventeen years old son.

He says it’s much more widespread than is reported. People are avoiding the hospital if they possibly can, because they think if they have just a regular virus, they’re likely to get Coronavirus at the hospital. And it seems that most young and healthy people can recover at home.

Which makes sense. I wonder how many Americans would avoid the hospital, thinking they could ride it out at home. That would skew the numbers.

I'm thinking of my GP and I seriously wouldn't like to be at her place. In one week or one month she'll be on the front line.

OMG, I have long suspected that one of my coworkers is a secret Trumpster, and just now she echoed the "We don't want to panic; after all, more people die from the flu" talking points from the Dotard's presser last night at me! Help!

r517,Busted!. Remind her there is a vaccine for the flu. Ask her if she's had her corona vaccine yet.

Sorry, but at least now you know for sure, R517. Good instincts.

The Wuhan probably won't kill you but some of you are going to have a stroke from sitting on your ass all day conjuring up some paranoid fantasies.

I mean really, R482. Are you not embarrassed at all? CCCP? Get over yourselves.

Tell her the death rate for the flu is .01%, in China the Coronavirus death rate is 20-30x that and we know they’re lying about the figures, in Iran it’s 1300x the rate of the flu.

She’ll come in wearing a space suit.

I had the pope in the death pool. now he's sick and cancels event. he's 83.

PONTSNIFF Pope Francis, 83, cancels event as he’s taken ill amid Italy coronavirus crisis

Wow, at the Pope’s age he is at high risk. If he does have it, that will mean endless press coverage of the virus whether he recovers or not. They’ll have experts on every five minutes.

R396, Japan has just closed all schools. All.

Tell your friend that death is non-refundable, too.

I’d like to know what Trump and his sociopathic fans are going to think if the Dow Jones keeps dropping. Will Trump panic? All he cares about is money. This morning around 9:00 it was down -444.

[quote] During the audience, Francis made a point to shake hands with the faithful in the front row, kissed a baby during his popemobile spin through St. Peter's Square and greeted visiting bishops at the end.

Hope It's just a cold.

By the end of the week it will have been down nearly 3,000 points, R525. I believe that's even more than the housing crisis era.

It’s now down over -500. Nearly 2%. Goldman Sachs now says they’re expecting companies will get no growth for the year. They’re saying recession, but they’re not “predicting” a recession.

[quote]They’re saying recession, but they’re not “predicting” a recession.

Pussies.

r524, Wow, Japan has a plan. I guess ours is to wait until it warms up this Spring.

[quote] Hey guys - I woke up this morning all sweaty and feeling very sick. I have a sore throat, chills and bad cough. I can feel the extra mucas in my lungs.

Do you have a fever ?

Yesterday I talked on the phone with a friend of mine who works at the hospital, they had their first COVID19-related meeting (this is in France). The masks they need (the anti-tuberculosis ones) are in shortage and currently un-orderable. His unit has 8 left and they're too old. They also need a lot of eye-protections which can be ordered currently. They have a lot of ventilators too.

Other informations :

COVID19 initial symptoms are : strong fever + moderate fatigue that quickly clear (48hrs) followed by a strong, enduring wet cough. NO nasal congestion. Note the difference with the regular flu, which is, typically : intermittent fever and continuous, severe fatigue for several days accompanied by everything else (sore throat, nasal congestion, headaches and dry cough turning after a few days into a wet cough).

Regular flu attacks the upper lungs, and once you're cleared you're not supposed to catch it again that year. COVID19 attacks the lower lungs (immediate wet cough with a lot of mucus going up). Re-infection resumes attack through the lower lungs + attacks heart tissue. Stays in the system for a very long time. Oral swabs are apparenty not reliable. They can't tell if it can remain dormant and reactivate later or if people just get it again.

Interesting fact : earlier this week they also received new jugs of disinfectant (the product used to bathe instruments in and clean surfaces everywhere). The service note told them to ditch the old ones even if they have a lot of stock and use the new ones. This new product has to be used for 15 minutes instead of 5 minutes previously, and the label mentions "novel coronavirus". According to the label, that product was manufactured in january, before the disease even had the name COVID19. They thought it was interesting and are wondering whether the virus has been around for quite longer than what is being said.

Food for thought : "strong fever + moderate fatigue that quickly clear (48hrs) followed by a strong, enduring wet cough" is exactly what I and most of my colleagues caught late December to mid January at work. Could it be possible that we already had it and didn't even know ?

That poor Japanese woman. to get it again the 2nd time! Fucking hell.

I thought it was a dry cough?

From useless cunts' WHO website: Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

There was a strong flu going around Los Angeles in December,/January where it took 3 weeks for it to go away. Not the Novel one, surely.

r499 - Virologist: Good Testing Key To Coronavirus Containment | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

That's better than the CDC website, R534. This is the extent of the symptoms info:

I'm certain it's here already. I was around people who had returned from a two-week trip to China in late December. They arrived sick and made everyone at work (6 people) ill, one of them, diabetic, very ill with a severe chest congestion and cough. He never gets sick but ended up on antibiotics and recovered after two full weeks of chest congestion and couching. Everyone recovered after about three weeks, but with LINGERING symptoms. I had a runny nose and low grade fever and chills for WEEKS. Symptoms come on strong. abate, start to go away, but come back. Cold meds barely touch it. No cough though.

CNBC:

Dow plunges 500 points into correction territory amid virus scare

Market down 10% in six trading days. Oy.

silver lining...

CNN-Several Iranian government officials have coronavirus

Iran’s Vice President for Women and Family Affairs, Masoumeh Ebtekar, is the latest high-profile government official to test positive for novel coronavirus.

Two members of parliament, including the chair of the parliamentary committee for national security, have also been infected by the virus.

One of the country’s top clerics, Hadi Khosroshahi, died on Thursday after he contracted the sickness.

Deputy Health Minister Iran Haririchi announced on social media Wednesday that he tested positive for COVID-19 — just 24 hours after he tried to downplay the threat of the virus in a press briefing.

Ebtekar, one of Iran’s most high-profile female politicians, was last seen at a cabinet meeting Wednesday with President Hassan Rouhani. During the meeting, Rouhani warned about COVID-19 turning into a “weapon at the hands of our enemies” for “propaganda” purposes.

Iran has emerged as a regional breeding ground for the pathogen, with the most confirmed cases — 245 cases including 26 deaths — in the region. The vast majority of coronavirus cases across the Middle East have been linked to Iran.

I wonder what the average age and sex of the infected Iranians is. Does the older male who smokes still holds true?

no need to wear mask if you're not sick.

Tariro Mzezewa, a New York Times travel reporter, tells CNN the measure is not necessary unless you are sick or are interacting with sick people.

"If you're not interacting with somebody's who's sick or you're not the person who's sick, you don't really need a mask. The people who are sick need those, and you know, there are various kinds of masks. CDC has a whole guide on its side that's breaking down the differences between the kinds of masks and so on. If you're not the sick one, you probably don't really need it," Mzezewa said.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention does not recommend Americans wear surgical masks in public. Surgical masks are effective against respiratory infections but not airborne infections.

But the airborne turns into a respiratory infection, non?

"If you're not interacting with somebody's who's sick or you're not the person who's sick, you don't really need a mask."

You don't know if you're interacting with someone who's sick when it comes to a virus that can be asymptomatic (but contagious) for two weeks or more.

I've only ever heard the smoker theory here on DL. Can anyone post a news article about it?

Isn’t that a good reason to wear a mask then? So you don’t infect others if you are sick and maybe don’t know.

From FUX: Trump says Pelosi trying to create 'panic' with coronavirus comments

Trump called Pelosi “incompetent” and accused her of using the virus for a political reason during a press conference where he sought to minimize fears of the virus spreading and announced that Vice President Mike Pence will head up Washington’s response to the outbreak.

“She’s trying to create a panic and there is no reason to panic,” Trump said. "All they are trying to is get a political advantage, but this shouldn’t be a political thing.”

but it’s fashionable to wear a mask nowadays. also before this virus, when i saw people wearing them, i thought them folks area weird. not anymore.

But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says it "does not recommend that people who are well wear a facemask to protect themselves from respiratory diseases, including COVID-19."

Dr. Frank Esper, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at the Cleveland Clinic, explained the circumstances when some really sick people should wear a mask.

"If they are coughing, if they are feeling like they have symptoms, we do ask them to put on mask when they are coming to our waiting room or ER or into a public space," he said. "It helps prevent the spread of infection."

Esper and other experts say washing your hands frequently is the best way to prevent the spread of infectious illnesses like coronavirus or, more commonly, the flu. The CDC advises washing your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, or use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol if soap and water are not available.

Pictures taken around the world show some people wearing surgical face masks in public while others appear to be wearing respirators, which the CDC says are used to reduce a wearer's risk of inhaling hazardous airborne particles, gases or vapors.

The CDC says it "does not recommend the routine use of respirators outside of workplace settings (in the community). Most often, spread of respiratory viruses from person-to-person happens among close contacts (within 6 feet). CDC recommends everyday preventive actions to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses, such as avoiding people who are sick, avoiding touching your eyes or nose, and covering your cough or sneeze with a tissue."

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar addressed the issue of different kinds of masks on Wednesday before a House Appropriations subcommittee. He was asked about N95 masks, which are respirators that the CDC says filter out at least 95% of airborne particles. These masks require proper fitting and training to work effectively, and officials do not recommend that the public use them.

Azar said people mistakenly have a sense that "the mask" is the "be all, end all of either preparedness or response activities."

"It's an element in our armamentarium, mostly for health care workers," he said. "And that's that N95 mask that's actually fitted. It has to be carefully fitted, and it can protect the worker."

Disposable surgical masks also are not recommended for people unless they're sick or caring for someone who's ill.

Azar said wearing masks "could actually sometimes be more harmful to you than not wearing a mask, because if it's not fitted right you're going to fumble with it. You're going to be touching your face, which is the No. 1 way you're going to get disease, is unclean hands touching your face."

Following the SARS virus outbreak in the early 2000s, which also originated in China, researchers in Australia wanted to test data that suggested transmission of the viral respiratory infection could be reduced with the use of face masks as well as other infection control measures.

The study, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases in 2008, found that masks were 80% effective in protecting against clinical influenza-like illness when worn consistently — but there was a catch. The researchers noted that "compliance with mask use was less than 50%," meaning more than half the people in the study did not actually keep wearing them as directed.

The study found there wasn't much difference between the two types of masks tested, P2 respirator masks (comparable to N95 masks) and surgical masks.

If the Pope’s illness turns out to be Coronavirus, that will panic millions of Catholics around the world. What’s Trump gonna do then, tell Catholics to fuck off and quit being such sissies? That should go over well.

Since a lot of influential people, including religious leaders and politicians, are old, just wait until a few high profile people get this. Trump’s in terrible health himself already. I wonder if part of his denial is about telling himself he can’t get it.

I'm gonna laugh so fucking hard when it is announced that Mar-A-Largo is the center of a cluster of CV cases that I I'll pee myself. Should I buy Depends?

[quote]Should I buy Depends?

Depends.

The Italians are so fucking stupid. There are church clusters in Singapore and half the people who are infected in S. Korea are in a religious group. Now they gonna see thousands more infected...

Stay away from big group gatherings...

[quote]Japan's Prime Minister requests closure of all schools until April

Imagine how massively disruptive this would be to the U.S. Japan's done it in response to 800 cases and seven deaths. The U.S. will certainly see more than that, I wonder at what point extreme measures like this are considered.

Apparently if Dow Jones goes under 2600 all bets are off and the correction could be severe.

I usually pay no heed to "the sky is falling! " bullshit ,but why does Captain Trips keep popping into my head ? Ive long said that its not going to be fire or famine or anything like that thats going to kill us all , but a tiny little germ . Humanity sure seems to keep flirting with disaster doesnt it ?

Religious groups should start broadcasting services on the radio and television. That would prevent a lot of high risk old people from getting sick.

Stay at home as much as possible. I froze my Equinox membership. Stay at home, DLers. Protect yourselves.

Symptoms progression.

Ordered Anker portable solar panel array, Anker power bank (huge one), Techef butane stove, Anker flashlight (USB recharge), Midland emergency light/radio with solar and handcrank.

What else to order?

CNN just said we get 95% of Advil from China, 70% of Tylenol. So get that.

I saw a suggestion on a prepper website to get rubber boots, like rain boots or gardening boots. The reasoning was that people carry things in on their shoes, and they’re easy to hose down and wipe off with bleach wipes, or you can leave them in the garage. They have rubber boots in the gardening section at Target for $30 and up. Also, Nordstrom Rack has some on sale because it’s the off season. You could also try a nursery or gardening supply store online.

R562, also get bandaids and neosporin. If you have little cuts on your hands, or cut yourself shaving, that’s an opening straight to your bloodstream. Cover up all cuts and wounds.

R559, honestly, they should make good television free, for all poorer old people, all the time. It would be a great public service.

My grandma is 88, she is too poor for more than expanded basic which is shit (and even that costs WAY too much), and she's too old to adapt to cord cutting services. They keep raising the price and the people on the wrong side of the digital divide, those who can least afford it, are getting fucked nine ways to Sunday.

I'll always hate cable TV and I'm glad to see them suffering badly now, they deserve it.

I think the next thread title should incorporate Diet Coke in it.

I’m reading that the virus could end up to be a forever in your system virus like herpes/hpv, thats a theory with the positive-negative-positive results that have been popping up.

What is the proper method of disposal when one wears a face mask. Can I toss it to the curb before I enter the palace?

Do they come in colors?

Do we not provide links in this thread any more or does that kill the mood?

R567 it’s basically airborne HIV

[quote]What else to order?

Apparently wheel barrows.

Oh for for fuck's sake.

Some of you need to get up and walk around a little bit, go get some fresh air. All the blood is pooling in your feet and not enough is reaching your brains anymore. You're in blood clot territory spending too much time online making shit up about Coronavirus.

Well, I'm up there in years but I'm still semi-hip. (No, that doesn't mean that I only have one working hip.) I bought a Roku stick two years ago for $25, and it was one small and fabulous investment. I'm not at all technically savvy, but it was easy to install, and equally easy too use. Maybe if her son would be willing to guide her through the process, you'd bother be surprised and delighted.

Well, I'm up there in years but I'm still semi-hip. (No, that doesn't mean that I only have one working hip.) I bought a Roku stick two years ago for $25, and it was one small and fabulous investment. I'm not at all technically savvy, but it was easy to install, and equally easy too use. Maybe if her son would be willing to guide her through the process, you'd bother be surprised and delighted.

Recession coming.

R572 Posted by Mike Pence, Royal Czar of Corona

From the Press Conference thread:

The Washington Post on how Pence handled the HIV public emergency in Indiana

Pence’s handling of Indiana’s HIV outbreak has critics worried about his leading role in the coronavirus response

*Two months passed from the start of the outbreak in 2015 before Pence declared a public state of emergency.

*The spread of the disease was attributed to people injecting Opana, an addictive painkiller, with shared needles. But Pence didn’t agree with federal health experts that distributing clean needles was a good idea.

*As cases spiked, Pence reportedly turned to prayer.

*In 2018, researchers at Yale University found that the epidemic could have been prevented if Pence and state officials had acted faster. The study received financial support from the federal government.

Here's a detailed breakdown of the current situation in Europe from the Guardian. Many of the cases have been identified within the past week. Several have direct links to Northern Italy

The outlook in Europe. Here is an overview of countries affected, including where people have died and what precautions are being taken.

Italy Italy is by far the European country worst affected by the COVID-19 outbreak, with 14 deaths and 528 infections. The area most hit has been northern Italy.

Germany In Germany, 26 people have been infected, including 10 diagnosed since Tuesday. Fourteen of the 26 work for an equipment manufacturer in Bavaria, and were infected by a colleague returning from China. Several hundred people are quarantined in their homes.

France France has so far registered 18 infections and two deaths, and has urged its nationals to delay travel to virus hotspots in northern Italy. Students returning from China, Singapore, South Korea and the Italian regions of Lombardy and Veneto are asked to remain at home for two weeks after their return.

Spain The country has registered 17 cases – 15 of them since Monday. Twelve are linked to Italy. They include four Italians who were visiting Tenerife in the Canary Islands. The hotel where they were staying has been quarantined.

Three cases have been registered on the Spanish mainland, including one man in serious condition in the Madrid region.

Britain So far there have been 15 recorded cases, including two announced on Thursday. One patient had been in Italy and the other in Tenerife. The government has requested travellers returning from affected areas in northern Italy, China, South Korea and Iran to isolate themselves and inform authorities.

Switzerland Four cases have been resistered since Tuesday, including a man in his 70s who was infected near Milan.

Russia Two infected Chinese citizens have been treated in Russia, which has also repatriated and quarantined eight passengers from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, of whom three have tested positive.

Austria A 72-year-old man in Vienna tested positive on Thursday, making him Austria’s third case after an Italian couple, both 24, tested positive on Tuesday.

Croatia Three people have tested positive for the virus, including a young man who recently stayed in Italy and his brother.

Greece It has announced three cases, all Greeks who had recently returned from northern Italy. Athens announced its first infection Wednesday, a woman aged 38. Two more were announced on Thursday, including a 10-year-old. All three affected are Greek nationals.

Finland Two virus infections were confirmed Wednesday, a Chinese tourist in Lapland and a second case involving a Finnish national who had recently visited northern Italy.

Sweden There have been two cases so far. One was registered at the end of January: a woman who had visited Wuhan, the Chinese city where the virus emerged in December. On Wednesday, a second infection was discovered in a man returning from northern Italy.

Belgium has had one case detective and Denmark announced its first case on Thursday. Georgia on Wednesday announced the first confirmed case in the South Caucasus region. In North Macedonia there has been one case, a woman who recently returned from Italy.

Norwegian health authorities announced on Wednesday the first case in the Nordic nation in someone who returned from China last week. They said the patient was not in danger.

Lastly, Romania reported its first on Wednesday – a man who was in contact with an Italian who visited the country last week.

In Estonia, the first case of confirmed new coronavirus was found on Wednesday evening, social affairs minister, Tanel Kiik, said Thursday.

r565- I bought a roku tv for my sick Dad (you can get one for $150-$250) and had him connected to all of my streaming accounts. He was 74, and was able to navigate the tv for content. For some reason, he couldn't handle the Roku attached to the tv, which I got for him initially.

No matter how you choose to do it Roku is a great investment.

WaPo's Mike DeBonis:

Nancy Pelosi says Pence called her and she told him she had concerns about him in #coronavirus role based on his record on abortion, HIV etc. Said the response has to be "about respect for evidence based decision-making."

I bet Pence is using the power of prayer to solve the coronavirus problem in the US.

Induction stove, induction cookware.

You got me, R576. Boy you're smart.

How do we even know how many cases are in the US since we don’t have very much testing capability? How many people have recently returned from Italy or South Korea and may be infected? How are Europe And Asia diagnosing the virus cases?

Those rushing out to get supplies, you might want to do it when the least amount of people are in the store. So, very early morning or late at night.

I'm waiting for the Calvin Klein boutique face masks to go on sale. They look like mini tightly whities, but come in colors. I'll be ordering the Rainbow Packs.

We are going to need a new thread soon OP...

Miami Herald: A Florida man who felt ill upon returning from China went to the hospital for coronavirus test. Two weeks later, he got a bill for $3,270, of which he is responsible for $1,400, thanks to a crummy junk insurance plan the Republicans like to tout as an alternative to the ACA. His insurer also told him he'd have to provide additional documentation: three years of medical records to prove that the flu he got didn’t relate to a preexisting condition.

[quote] The Italians are so fucking stupid. There are church clusters in Singapore and half the people who are infected in S. Korea are in a religious group. Now they gonna see thousands more infected...

Religious functions are suspended in Northern Italy regions since last Sunday night.

Well, technically mass still takes place daily but behind close doors with the priests alone.

Feel free to start a new thread. This is the only one of these that I have started. I pretty much blew my wad on this title.

CNN-Italy won't close its borders, official says

Pierpaolo Sileri, Italy's Deputy Health Minister, said the country does not plan on closing its borders as officials work to stop the spread of the coronavirus outbreak.

"I don’t think right now there is any reason to close the border, especially because the two areas are very well confined and we know exactly the two major outbreaks and all the people that we found all around Italy – which are very few – are coming from that area," Sileri said.

Sileri was also clear in his views about the fear and ‘paranoia’ the Coronavirus has created:

“I think paranoia and anxiousness and panic will run much much more than the virus and we had problem with this in the last few weeks. I think we should teach people what coronavirus is, transmission, and help people to understand much better the situation…this is the first epidemic event in era of social media, and this doesn’t help, absolutely doesn’t help. I think the best thing is to communicate, be transparent, sharing data and explaining exactly what coronavirus is."

Seattle High School closed b/c of the virus. Protect the emo jock hotties.

Check out Australian Prime Minister's speech yesterday (Feb 26) announcing Coronavirus Emergency Plan. Notice the following: Leader is calm, respectful to audience by providing factual data on virus spread, mitigation actions, rationale for mitigation actions and proposed future mitigation strategies to KEEP AUSTRALIANS SAFE as a Number One Priority. Orange Anus appeared in bright bubble gum tie meandering in (typical) incoherent manner at last night's news conference contributing nothing worthwhile or informative to the public about the virus. In fact, Donny Two Scoops downplayed the virus, "low risk", and nothing to worry about.

Poetic justice, this man at this hour. We have the government we deserve.

Why're you looking at me?

I agree with others speculating that Trump named Pence as overseer for this situation so the VP could take the blame and the shame when things spiral out of control (which they might, but who knows?). then Trump will "regretfully" unload Pence as VP for re-election and pick someone else (Nikki Haley, Ivanka, yadda yadda). Either way, I think this is a backhanded shiv to Pence and I can't help but enjoy it if it turns out to be exactly that plan.

They're looking at ME.

Gropenführer putting U.S. health last in priorities.

New thread #8

Ba-cough-cough-jour

what an idiot

The Trump administration says the coronavirus vaccine might not be affordable for all Americans

R594 Funny how Australia's racist, homophobic PM is dealing with this head on while a certain racist homophobe in the USA is saying that everything's fine.