CoronaVirus Freakout 6: One Flu Over the Cuckoo's Nest!

I work in a western US state department of public health. Honestly what shocks me most is that there is NO information trickling down from anywhere from up high — not even through informal channels.

This is really bad.

I had my helixes crossed for "Pandemic at the Disco".

Tell us more, R1. How bad?

I have the virus!

It's hard to breathe and I think I've only got a few days to live now. Will keep you hoes updated.

It is skyrocketing in that church group in South Korea.

Link to previous thread

R1 I declare it is a major and most intentional downplay of the circumstances. I cannot claim any special or prescient knowledge, other than my own false sense of mastery of the markets, but I've recently converted my stock portfolio into bonds:T-notes, US Treasury bonds, and I have left a slew of cash in my brokerage account.

i have it on somewhat good authority from friends at hedge funds in Singapore, NYC, and my own counsel at UBS that many are getting out. Warren Buffet has sold nearly a third recently, and Jeff Bezos has sold 2/3 of all his stock (including Amazon) in recent days. i shall avoid declaring worldwide depression, yet an over-correction has been in store for quite some time before Yellow Death Grip. I fear a worldwide recession is to come in the next two quarters.

You put it better than I ever could, R7.

I mean “bad” as in there’s a lockdown on any information. Unheard of.

I think there are no cases other than those mentioned in the USA, I know because there would be much more cases, people cannot keep secrets and this virus spreads FAST... You won't be able to hide anything

Concerning R-588 in the previous thread about the NY health emergency laws. That could of been used during the AIDS crisis to round up the gays. People don’t realize NY has a lot of draconian laws on the books that can strip rights. That law basically allows for CV cases and their acquaintances etc to be “detained” and removed from gen pop for 60 days without any legal ramifications, it’s similar to the mental health laws which allow the same including electro-shock therapy...

News about this thing is almost becoming a bit too much. I'm going to Japan next month and just going to hope for the best. I've got a bottle of elderberry syrup for my immune system. Other than that, I'll stick to washing my hands for 20 seconds at a time.

I'm OK with "One Flu Over the Cuckoo's Nest" R2. But I'll keep suggesting "Pandemic! At the Disco" as long as we continue this series of threads.

I think our only hope of avoiding a worldwide pandemic is if this virus is the type to fizzle out in spring. What does Punxsutawney Phil have to say this year?

R10l, Thank you for not overlooking my post.

Cheers R8. China has massively flatlined now. There is no longer any correlation b the spreading of the virus, its implications, and the markets. It is a well known fact the exchanges have been jammed with money flooding in from central banks. It is clearly untenable. Most advisors tell people to take fewer risks, but to remain in. I think it is highly questionable advice, unless one is very young, or has only 10-15% of their worth invested. I have a few friends who have recommended placing "puts", or betting against things. That is a devious practise involving knowledge above my pay grade, and quite frankly I don't think most older people are comfortable with those options.

R7

A week ago I was more concerned with supply chains.

Now I’m literally worried about dying.

Although most fatalities are among older patients, the potential for reinfection and complete overload of the healthcare system could turn a fairly treatable case into a fatality.

Pandemic! At the disco! ——Definitely needs to be part of the next thread title. I just picked the title that spoke to me at the moment.

Eldergays appreciate it, I’m sure.🖤

Seriously, if you’ve never read the book or seen the movie “one flew over the cuckoo’s nest”, it’s a classic for many reasons. Kesey nails the 2020s.

The people “freaking out“ in the first thread would have been thrown into asylums. Any information that disrupts the narrative must be suppressed. Sanity is only agreeing with the status quo.

Many of the same themes are at play right now.

If you start telling your neighbors that they should stock up on canned soup and bottled water and certain medicines, they will look at you like you are a freak. I doubt that will be the case by the Ides of March.

The Abels have both been diagnosed with pneumonia and their son and daughter-in-law want them out of Japan RIGHT NOW, going as far as starting a Twitter account for the sole purpose of appealing to Donald Trump as daddy is a ‘uge fan, bigly. Sonny has stated his boundaries: he will not abide any comments from “Trump-haters.”

They’d like a medevac plane for two, please.

R9

They don’t have tests to accurately diagnose the disease in the vast majority of hospitals.

The CDC is expediting tests, which means a delay of several days.

New York and Florida are ignoring the law by refusing to reveal coronavirus infections inside the state.

The explosion of cases in Iran and South Korea and Japan and Singapore should scare the fuck out of everyone. The fatality rate of those cases is 20 times higher than seasonal flu, and twice as infectious.

The survivors are getting expert medical care. The United States has fewer than 1 million hospital rooms, a fraction ICU. When you consider the disparity between infection and medical care availability, the potential for unimaginable death rates...Fuck, I hate going down this mental rabbit hole to the “darkest timeline”.

R16 I appreciate your remarks, and agree, though I must say I'm not afraid of dying. I have stocked up though; I began quite awhile ago really. I thought it was very bad from the start. Just looking at those markets, having been to China myself, (no soap in the loos ANYWHERE), and considering all those pikey little eateries, I had no faith they'd be apt to contain this.

Interesting read on natural meds for H1N1 disregard that it’s a vet website. Yeah, yeah I’m kooky...

Elderberry seems to possibly worsen cytokine storm.

I've stocked up some stuff. I have about 6 to over 12 months of some medicines and will continuing buying more over the next few weeks.

I've also stocked up on cat food (at has a long used by date) and canned and bottled food for myself that have long used by dates. Aside from that there is much more anyone can do.

The medical profession still don't know much about the virus and that is normal for new viruses.

Worst case scenario: 80% + of the world's population infected with 20+ mortality rates - no medical health system in any country on the planet will be able to handle the case load. Even worse: reinfection which could result in much higher morality rates.

Best case scenario: The virus starts to weaken and becomes nothing more than a common cold like the four other coronaviruses that have long been around.

Individual countries needs to start closing their borders quite frankly. The longer that countries can keep this out of their population the longer they have to prepare for it and also hopefully more knowledge of it.

IF this virus takes hold I want you all to remember the Aids epidemic and how those with it, were treated.

I say this because I know someone that was evacuated on that first plane from Wuhan. I warned them not to tell people that he was there because it would not go over well. Well he was interviewed by two local tv stations and NPR. Now people are saying nasty things on Twitter etc. and I told them now to watch their backs because there are so many crazy people out there.

just be careful how you treat people.

R18 I heard on an American radio programme recently (I live in the States) that the US has only 920 K hospital beds available during good times. Apparently with the influenza complications this season, hospitalisations are up above 250K, and in many small community hospitals and medical centres, there aren't any beds available save for Emergency Departments. This wouldn't bode well if the virus takes hold here.

This is R21. I'd also wager that there is an 90% chance that the Tokyo games will not be held.

I'm still shocked that Japan let all those people off the cruise ship mingling in with the general population in Tokyo. At least the ones in hospitals and that have been taken back to their countries of origin are in quarantine. Pity help the poor 1,000 or so staff on the ship.

Once this takes off in America it’s going to be hard to contain.

1. Americans are too vain to wear face masks.

2. They’re too addicted to money and Social Media to stay in and “self-quarantine”.

Basically King Trump’s dream of martial law might happen.

R21

Insert Debbie Downer .gif

The unknown unknowns are like an iceberg.

We can see the top, but have no idea about the true size and shape hidden beneath the propaganda.

Florida is lying. NY too, probably.

This is a fucking ridiculous situation- we should have shut down travel between the USA and China a month ago.

Stupid motherfucking bureaucratic jackasses have condemned millions of people to death. Let’s hope that that remains millions, not billions.

Oh my god. You MARYs! need to get a grip. Holy shit.

And I say this as someone who grew up as a hypochondriac thanks to reading The Stand as a kid (and watching the mini series, too).

R23

930K hospital beds is the current estimate.

One for every 370 people.

Overload of the system is going to be bad. Is that like reverse iatrogenic?

R27

Pray that your ignorance protects you.

If you haven’t looked at the numbers in South Korea, or Italy, or Iran, then you are doing yourself no favors by posting stupid bullshit.

Cases are doubling every few hours in some places.

I held out some hope that asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic individuals comprised 80% of the infected population. The last 48 hours has destroyed that possibility, considering the speed of onset and severity of the symptoms in some of the cases outside China.

Our healthcare system is a flaming dumpster fire of insanity. Do you think the administration of any hospital will show up as they always do before the doctor looks at you to "get your info", ( health insurance) when you go in when the place will be overwhelmed? What do you think the insurance companies are going to do when this goes south? You think they will take the hit for all the costs of the insane prices that are charged? Anyone thinking insurance company bailout if this gets out of hand?

Hospitals in the US are run for profit, not for care. The whole idea is to get you in, bang your insurance for 5 grand, then send you home three hours later. Anything even fractionally approaching a run on the hospitals will cause a collapse of a teetering system waiting to fall over and crush itself under the insurance companies.

I do not know how many people from other countries read this, but thank your lucky stars that you are NOT in the US during this, as it will get real ugly, real fast. Our CDC is out to lunch, Our monkey-fucker president gutted the budget for things like this and fired all the people. All we will have now is Karen from billing calling you for your insurance on your cell phone while she is at home, so the billing will be processed before they look at you and the thousands in the tents in the parking lot with armed security.

We have no backup. Our government has been dismantled by right wing nuts and end-timer fuckstick Christians. IF we make it through this, it will be a whole new ballgame.

It is amazing to me how many Chinese are still travelling the globe currently. I recently came back from Grand Cayman, and I've never seen so many Chinese there before. It's bonkers really how they're still getting out and about.

A friend recently visited her nephew at a boarding school in Switzerland, and she said Chinese tourists were crawling all over the place. I wonder if these are the few rich 10% who fled in droves (5M estimated) before the lockdown, and they merely continue to travel? Some German friends of mine suggest they figure many who can afford to, refuse to return, and would rather seek better healthcare whilst abroad if they fall ill.

It's very disturbing how many people are getting around the travel bans. Australia's Foreign Chinese students are being offered subsidies to enter via a third country to return and continue their studies. They've been offered elaborate packages which include stays at four and five star hotels in UAE, Japan, Thailand, and even Iran. I think Iran is now off the table however with the cases emerging there. All in all, in addition to these subsidised packages, they've also been promised 1,500 Australia Dollars upon there return. Unbelievable really how dependant so many Universities are on Chinese students.

I’ve been following coronavirus news since January, R29. I was IN ASIA wearing the damn N95 masks while the world started instituting travel bans from Wuhan.

You guys - like Reddit - are being the hugest goddamn MARY!s every time new cases pop up. NEWSFLASH: once testing becomes more common then yes - more people will be diagnosed with the new coronavirus.

This isn’t shocking, doomsday level information. Yes, THOUSANDS of people - maybe even millions! - have been or are infected with respiratory COVID throughout Asia and beyond. It’s been a month. People aren’t dropping dead en masse throughout Asia’s largest cities. Densely populated and in many countries, absolutely filthy and polluted cities!

Yeah. I read about COVID. I know China is a lying shithole. I’m sure thousands are infected and no one even knows it. But the doomsday hysterics are so, SO unwarranted.

R30

Socialist health systems will be overrun even faster. Don’t pat yourself on the ass until you pull your head out of it.

Do you believe that bureaucratic systems will have any greater capacity to ramp up treatment?

I agree with R32. There are 1.4 billion people in China. Relatively few of them are sick, even in Wuhan, a city of 11 million. The disease is contagious and can be deadly, but it is not spreading like wildfire. Not yet, anyway. It’s not time to panic yet.

Hey R33, it's time for your break from the republic ass-clown posting hive. Get back here in 15 minutes or you are docked pay. What do you think we are? Socialists?

R34 It's only not spreading like wildfire in Wuhan because the city has been in lockdown for weeks. If people had been going about doing what they normally do there would be a couple of million cases in Wuhan by now.

Many Chinese people who were on holiday in Australia when the news broke of the virus have had their visa extended so they don't have to go back to China which is completely understandable. Whilst numbers are apparently down at restaurants in heavily populated Chinese suburbs in Sydney and Melbourne the Star Casino in Sydney is still racking in big bucks from the Chinese people they had their visa extended and love to gamble. So whilst no 'new' gamblers from China are able to enter Australia the ones that were already here are keeping business running high at the Star Casino.

South Korea reported 142 new cases, up 70% in one day, to 346; The country also reported its second death.

R34

Apparently symptoms become much worse after age 50. Then again, some high profile cases have been in their 20s and 30s. If half the country gets sick and 15 million need hospitalization, 14 million of them are fucked.

We don’t have enough hospital beds.

Even if they invented a vaccine tomorrow, and could cure all future cases, the impact on supply chains worldwide are already evident.

The problem isn’t “we are all going to die of coronavirus“, it’s the fact that China is so deeply integrated into global supply chains that massive disruption in that country will have unexpected knock off effects down the line and create disruptions at the retail level.

If it became epidemic inside the United States, very few people would eat at restaurants, or mingle in bars, or attend concerts or movies. Semi-quarantine would manifest naturally.

Living standards would plummet, commercial activity unrelated to the disease would collapse, service/retail staff would be terminated, and civil unrest would bubble closer to the surface.

I’ve tried to be optimistic and skeptical, but the numbers are disconcerting.

The doctor at the link has been very skeptical about the pandemic, posting videos daily for almost a month, but has become “less encouraged” over the last few days.

He’s scared.

R35

Blocked for being a dumbass who detracts from the issue at hand.

You might be the stupidest fucking cunt on this entire website.

R37 Some of the 'high profile' cases are doctors on the front line in Wuhan. I suspect they have been exposed to the virus over and over again and working 20 hours a day.

I saw an excellent graph the other day (which I'll post if I can find it) that outlined the morality rates for each 10 year age bracket. It started with something like 0 - 9 - zero deaths, 10 to 19 - 1 death, and goes up.

The morality rate get worse for each ten year age group and the 80s and over being well over 10%.

R39

Mortality for under 20 years old is almost zero.

In age 60s is 20%, 70s is 30% and 80s is 20%.

It’s killing old people but kids are apparently asymptomatic.

Today I saw a story about a 20 year old college girl who spread to her entire family.

This is a recording of a CDC media release. It was primarily for reporters, not the public. So far there doesn’t seem to be a transcript, it’s audio only.

This is R39 here.

This is the article with the graph I was referring to. Its based on the first 72,000 cases in China.

Thanks for posting that R37.

Very informative and pragmatic and scary as anything. He is so spot on about paying close attention to how the South Korean cases pan out. South Korea will be totally on top of recording stats and treatment, etc as he pointed out. Ditto Singapore. I'm surprised Japan is so sloppy. Having been there numerous times its one of the most organised countries I've ever been to but their handling of the cruise ship is appalling by any standards.

[quote]I have the virus!

Mary!

R42 Correction - First 44,000 or so cases not 70,000.

R43, here’s an account of the procedures on the Diamond Princess. An expert observed no proper isolation happening on the ship, ample opportunities for infection, complained, and was thrown off the ship. Read his account.

I had my flu shot. Why I be okay?

*twirls hair*

R47 The flu shot does not provide any protection from this virus. However, it helps fend off he regular flu which is a good thing in that you have less chance of getting two viruses at the same time.

Audio at R41: a lot of it regards Diamond Princess. One comment was they expect additional cases.

The part that refers to predictions about the U.S. generally starts at about 8 minutes in. From the CDC:

“I want to be clear that we’re not seeing community spread here in the audited States *yet.* But it’s very possible, even likely, that it may eventually happen. Our goal continues to be slowing the introduction of the virus into the U.S. This buys us more time to prepare our communities for possibly sustained spread.

“This new virus represents a tremendous public health threat. We don’t yet have a vaccine for this virus, nor do we have a medicine to treat it specifically.“

If this does become massive( people on 5his thread seem very smart they use words I have to look up) it will be the best thing that will happen to Putin and Rump.

R49 continued:

“We are now taking and will continue to take unprecedented aggressive action to reduce the impact this virus will have on the communities in the U.S.

“We are working with state, local and territorial heath departments to ready our public health work force to respond to cases, and the possibility this outbreak could become a pandemic.

“I want to direct everyone to a document that will be very informative in terms of what people can expect in the coming weeks if the virus starts spreading in our community. ‘Community Mitigation Guidelines to Prevent Pandemic Influenza United States 2017.’“

R51, they also go on to say “the day may come” when we have to close schools and businesses.

They also say they’re going by existing documents they have about pandemic flus in general. I think they also mention that they’re bringing up a new website next week specifically about Coronavirus.

R47 twinky twink: do what I did last week. Review what immunizations you have been putting off and get them now. You do not want to go to the doctor with measles or chicken pox or whatever while this is going on. I’m older than you and I had the flu and pneumonia vaccines in the last couple weeks. Next I’m having the shingles vaccine and maybe tetanus shot. You might as well eliminate as many reasons as possible for going to the doctor. Places like Walgreens and CVS have lists of immunizations you can get there. You are too young for the pneumonia vaccine unless you have a pre-existing condition like an auto immune disorder, are a smoker or have asthma.

The next thing they think may have shortages are OTC meds for coughs and congestion, like Mucinex or cough syrup. If you buy some, get an expectorant. Also get Tylenol and at least one other pain killer. Tylenol lowers fever. But you can’t take it for days on end without a break or you could get liver damage, so have another one so you can switch off between the two. Like aspirin or similar. And get some flu meds for the regular flu, just in case you get it.

R7, You don't have it on good authority that Jeff Bezos has sold 2/3 of his stock in the last few days. He couldn't do that if he wanted to (and since it would badly damage Amazon's stock price if he did, he wouldn't). Sales by large shareholders of public companies are public.

Same with Warren Buffett--not how Berkshire Hathaway works, anyway.

Please educate yourself so you're not such a patsy for sharks like your hedge-fund "friends" in Singapore. You're the definition of "dumb money."

Thank you for the advice r53 but dont let the name fool you. I posted as Twinky Twink and I'm 62. I need a shing)es vaccine and maybe a tenus I need some bottled water. Cans of tuna,Vienna sausage, peanut butter,crackers and beans. Anything else?

I don't understand how anyone can stick up on medications for a year. Most of mine are generic and I can only buy with a copay but doesnt cost much without insurance. One I have is a blood thinner isnt generic would probably cost without insurance.

I think Muriel has taken control of the CVF threads now.

I have heard and read in a number of places that these kinds of respiratory viruses are less virulent in the heat of summer. It's spring in central China right now. Summer weather will arrive in late April there. I'm hoping that the rapid spread of coronavirus in the US will coincide with our summer weather and lessen the severity.

R57 Maybe. It depends of the virus. But think back over your life and try and recall all of 'summer' colds you have had. More than you think.

Most viruses are worse in Winter but a number hang around throughout summer including the other known mild coronaviruses that have been circulating since the 1960s (that's when they were discovered I believe).

On the other hand the time of year made no difference to the lethal 1918 'Spanish Flu'.

Prepare for the worse. Hope for the best.

R55, if you can’t get blood thinners, one possible substitute would be Bayer low dose aspirin in a pinch. Hopefully it won’t come to that, but I read a lot of China’s manufacturing has come to a halt and they have a backlog. People are starting to be concerned there could be medication shortages. Next time you call your doctor for refills, ask for ninety days. The pharmacy can split it up for you so it will cost the same.

If you’re diabetic and can’t have rice, quinoa is a lot lower glycemic index (Costco). I went to the Costco business center and they had a ton of individually packaged snack foods for vending machines. Peanuts, almonds, cashews and trail mix, peanut butter crackers, breakfast bars, popcorn, also dry Gatorade powder mix, Tang and Country Time lemonade mix. The business center also had 25 lb and 50 lb bags of dry black beans, red beans, garbanzos and pinto beans if you want some variety.

Lentils are also really good for you and are low glycemic index. They come in black, green, red (orange) and brown. Try an ethnic food store, Indians use a lot of lentils because you don’t have to pre-soak and they cook relatively fast. Supermarkets now have chickpea (garbanzo) pasta and red lentil pasta, they have less carbs than regular pasta. I went to Sams Club today and bought a few spices, bay leaves in particular. Bay leaves are good for putting in the container you put your dry rice and beans in. The smell repels insects. Some other helpful spices are mint (settles an upset stomach) turmeric (blood thinner, good for inflammation and arthritis pain), garlic is an anti inflammatory, parsley and ginger (aid digestion). Cinnamon lowers glycemic index. So does apple cider vinegar.

If you’re eating a lot of rice, a good breakfast is leftover rice, raisins or Craisins and sliced almonds or chopped walnuts with cinnamon and soy milk. The ingredients all keep very well. Some other pantry staples that keep well are dehydrated mashed potatoes, no salt added corn, black beans, and no sugar added peaches. Watch your salt content carefully because all canned food has salt unless it says it doesn’t. Get some canned soup and canned meat like canned chicken, sardines (Costco) or low sodium spam. Look for dehydrated ingredients like taco spice mix and gravy packets, and spice blends like lemon pepper for poultry and fish and a spice blend for meat. Get bullion cubes or Better then Bullion jars (Costco, Sam’s), so you can make soup out of leftovers. Canned Tomato paste and stewed tomatoes with some Italian seasoning, salt and pepper and a little parsley make a good tomato base for minestrone soup. If you have a rice cooker, instant pot or crockpot, you can make soups in them, and red beans and rice. Or a wok or soup pot. A good basic brown lentil soup is lentils, onions, tomato base and pork, sausage or bacon. Red lentils with onion, carrot and celery and chicken broth are good.

Some other things that are useful: canning jars, metal lids keep better, Costco has black plastic shelving units that are easy to assemble and knock down with no tools for about $30. Ace Hardware has brown glass canning jars, Walmart has clear ones. Get a canning jar funnel, it has a wider bottom. Get 1 gallon ziplock bags. Get at least one manual can opener, also Winco carries 5 gallon food grade pails with spinner lids that are good for storing grains and beans. Throw a few bay leaves in.

Was this news story posted?

About the gravy packets, years ago I read an account of a guy who was stuck in a war zone for months. They couldn’t go out because snipers would shoot at people just trying to get food. He had some suggestions about things he wished he had. One was spices, sauces and gravies. He said if you have to eat the same old rice and beans again, you get very tired of it and even some plain gravy makes it palatable so you can eat it. For the U.S., I’d add bottled Mexican hot sauce like Cholula, which has vinegar in it so it lasts a long time, soy sauce, maybe a Louisiana Cajun sauce, or Tabasco and check out the spice combinations at Sam’s Club if you have a card. They have a lot of spice combos like dried taco sauce, ranch dressing powder mix, and others that will spice up soup and beans and rice as well as meat.

R60 It's starting to get a lot of publicity.

She could be one of those rare 'out of the ordinary range' types. Still, one too many of them can cause havoc.

Some of the people on the Diamond Princess had no symptoms and tested normal until after they left.

R55 I suppose it depends where you live with medications and what the medications are for. I live in Australia which has some advantages. Most of of medicines are produced in the country, however goodness knows where the ingredients come from. Also because medications are very cheap in Australia I barely noticed the excess spending of stock piling them.

I also noted that most of my medications have very lengthy 'use by' dates so I'm stocking up on them. Besides, I already had a years worth stockpile of two medications (one for headaches and another for my stomach) because I've been long mindful of a possible pandemic for decades - even when I travel overseas I take way more than I actually need and ironically enough those are my 'must have can't live without ones', so I never want to be caught without any.

It was interesting when doing the shopping on Friday as per usual that hand cleaning fluids were 'sold out'. I do have some but I was going to get some more. Masks are a waste of money.

R64, in the U.S., places like Costco are now prominently displaying bleach wipes and Lysol by the door.

R65 Actually, when I was at my local chemist in Sydney on Thursday they made face masks prominently advertised - I suppose make a buck whilst they can. Once the virus takes holds I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a hospital, doctors office or chemist (aka drugstore in the US I believe?).

Australia is actually lifting it travel ban on China for those who are enrolled in high school in Australia (though not those from Hubei). I can sort of understand it and it will depend if they meet 13 criteria as well. Also, the individual states and schools for that matter can veto it if they want. I decision will be made in 6 days time on University students.

So far Australia has weathering this well (in terms of quarantine and no clusters taking off) but if the Government lets University students in I predict they will be the last people allowed into the country. As things worsen overseas they Government Australian Government WILL close boarders - they have basically said as much. They have stated that the health and well-being of Australians comes before the economy.

They fucked up big time with the bushfires and they cannot afford stuff up here - if they do they will pay dearly for it. I sort of think they won't stuff up. I do feel Australia can effectively keep the virus out of the country and stop it spreading in the next few months at least. Ditto New Zealand who are following Australia's lead with everything as it is within their best interests when it comes to this.

Australia is on the frontlines of vaccine design but it will probably take 12-18 months, all going well:

R62 See? I told you all that women are super spreader and men are super sufferer when it comes to this bio weapon, but no, none of of you would believe me even though the HIV DNA are baked in.

R38 = Sarah Huckabeast

R60 Yes, end of last thread. But it bears repeating.

Italy has 54 cases now, including 5 medical staff. But they haven't been able to link it back to China yet.

I wonder if we could test everyone with mild to severe respiratory infections across the globe, how many would come up positive with the new coronavirus? I bet most cases have been mistaken for the seasonal flu or some other respiratory virus.

[quote]New York and Florida are ignoring the law by refusing to reveal coronavirus infections inside the state.

And you know of these alleged infections how?

don't forget, the poor doctor, only 29 who postponed his wedding to treat patients!!!

RIP

South Korea entering "grave situation" with virus spread, says PMSouth Korea's coronavirus outbreak is entering a “grave situation," the country's Prime Minister Chung Sye-kyun said during a press briefing, adding the government is "doing its best to prevent the spread."

He urged people to refrain from attending events where many people gather, such as religious events, or to consider other ways such as online meetings.

Chung also said that the government will “sternly deal” with acts that interfere with the country’s quarantine efforts, such as illegal hoarding of hygiene products and mass rallies.

Hey, to the poster in Australia, I suggest you buy some masks you see in the stores, just in case you or your friends might need some later.

Samsung Electronics shuts South Korean smartphone plant after confirmed virus case

Samsung Electronics said on Saturday that one coronavirus case had been confirmed at its smartphone factory complex in the South Korean city of Gumi.

The plant has been shut down until Monday morning, while the floor where the infected employee worked will be closed until February 25, Samsung said in a statement.

"On Feb. 22, an employee working at Samsung Electronics' Gumi Complex was tested positive for novel coronavirus (COVID-19),” Samsung said.

“The company plans to implement all necessary measures for disinfection and containment promptly."

The company has also identified colleagues who came in contact with the infected employee, and has taken measures to place them in isolation and get them tested.

This virus is very infectious because PEOPLE WITH NO SYMPTOMS CAN HAVE IT AND PASS IT AROUND!!!

CNN-Iran confirms 10 more coronavirus cases

That poster is so fucking naive and gullible that bezso sold off or whoever sold off their stock holdings etc.

I have a bridge to sell you...you want to buy?

CNN-Coronavirus fears have pushed the US dollar to a three-year high

The US dollar index reached a three-year high as investors worried about the global coronavirus outbreak are moving their money into the safe-haven greenback.

Investments considered safe in times of market turmoil have been rallying since the outbreak became Wall Street's number one worry in January. Cases continue to rise globally. The full financial and economic cost of the outbreak is incalculable.

But the United States, as well as dollar-denominated assets, are considered to be somewhat shielded from the outbreak's impact.

America's economy is less reliant on trade and exports than its peers, for example. That means the expected slowing of China's economic growth in the first quarter will hurt the United States less than it will other countries.

And the US economy has been going strong and is in its longest expansion in history.

The Atlanta Federal Reserve's GDPNow model forecasts US growth will accelerate to 2.6% in the first quarter. With a tight labor market and modestly rising wages, the American consumer, who is the backbone of the US economy, is in a good place.

Amid all this, the dollar has been rallying. No other currency stands a chance against the greenback's attractiveness, said Francesco Pesole, FX strategist at ING.

The questions to ask in the event of a pandemic in the US. Will the garbage men pick up the trash and recycling twice a week?

Will those who "run away" from populous cities only to "safe places" find themselves in places with absolutely no substantive health care facilities?

Rather than who will take the subway - how about who will drive the subway trains?

There are SO many unknowns, so many questions.

the only good thing about this (virus) is I hope companies examine their reliance on China and get their shit made somewhere else instead.

somewhere else where labor is cheap because the standard of living is low, with equally low standards of hygiene...

BNO News on twitter is a good place to get updated news. Here’s some recent news:

6 minutes ago: Italy has reported 33 new cases and 1 new death so far today, raising the country's total to 54 cases and 2 deaths

39 minutes ago: One of the new cases in Japan is a former passenger of the Diamond Princess cruise ship. She tested negative and was allowed to leave, but has now tested positive.

43 minutes ago: Coronavirus updates from the last hours:

- 87 new cases in South Korea

- 24 new cases in Japan

- 10 new cases and 1 new death in Iran

- New cases in Italy

12 hours ago:

10 towns in northern Italy have been put on a virtual lockdown due to coronavirus, according to local media

For those 10 towns (50,000 people):

- Residents are asked to stay at home for 1 week

- All public events are suspended

- No work and commercial activities

- No recreational activities

- All schools are closed

- Public transport won't stop in those areas

At last: the Apocalypse is nigh

I do think the concerns about overwhelming our healthcare system are valid.

I had a very serious injury that required emergent life saving surgery last year in July.

I was blown away by the sheer number of people waiting for triage in the waiting room on a Wednesday afternoon. This was not in the sticks.

Thank god my family members went and got shitty with the staff. Who knows what would have happened.

This is what concerns me after seeing it with my own eyes.

FBI orders $40K worth of face masks, hand sanitizer in case of coronavirus outbreak

half of the cases in S. Korea is a church cluster...

CNBC-the @WHO joint mission with #China on #coronavirus to host a technical briefing in Beijing following the completion of its trip to China on Monday, Feb 24 at 19:00 Beijing time (6am ET), @WHO says. Trip included Beijing, Sichuan, Guangdong, and Wuhan.

Untraceable coronavirus cells have emerged in three countries — and health officials say the elusive strands could be the first sign that the virus is spreading at an uncontrollable pace.

Doctors are unable to identify the source of coronavirus clusters in South Korea, Singapore and Iran, the World Health Organization said Saturday, urging a stricter approach to containing the virus.

“A number of spot fires occurring around the world is a sign that things are ticking along, and what we are going to have here is probably a pandemic,” said Ian Mackay, a researcher at Australia’s University of Queensland.

Doctors began floating fears of a pandemic — which occurs when a disease spreads to two continents — on Friday as two more died in Iran, the number of cases in South Korea doubled, and Italy saw its first death.

In Iran, an untraceable case that’s spread to 28 others is believed to have popped up in the city of Qom.

Hundreds of new cases detected in South Korea were sparked by a member of a church of 9,000 in the city of Daegu, but doctors have been unable to pinpoint the origin.

Doctors fear the spread could quicken and widen if they are unable to identify all those infected and get them into quarantine. Making matters worse, coronavirus symptoms are often so mild that a spreader could be unaware they are infected.

People are unlikely to die from the mild cases, “but it’s really bad news if you are trying to stop a pandemic,” Mackay said of the subtle symptoms.

An official with the World Health Organization warned Saturday that “the window of opportunity is narrowing” to contain the virus.

“We have to prepare at the same time for any eventualities, because this outbreak could go any direction — it could even be messy,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said.

R86, about ten years ago my dad spent weeks in intensive care. Before that he was often admitted to the ER for various ailments, life threateningly low blood pressure several times. I became pretty familiar with the local hospital and its procedures.

For one thing, if you have a pre-existing heart condition such as congestive heart failure and you have to go to the ER for any reason, mention your heart condition as soon as you check in. Even if you’re not there for that reason. They may prioritize you over other patients. There’s probably other pre-existing conditions that might fast track you, so mention them. If you’re diabetic mention it, I think one time they brought him orange juice because of a long wait.

In my city, check in to the ER is about a five hour wait. Outside of flu season. After that, you get admitted to ER and continue to wait for a bed in the actual hospital while you’re in the ER. About eight hours to get a bed in the actual hospital. My dad would self quarantine during flu season and luckily we never had to go then.

Once admitted into the ER, there’s no guarantee you won’t get a bed in the hall. You won’t get released from your ER bed until there’s a hospital bed. You won’t go to the hospital bed until you are examined by a doctor who will diagnose you and decide if you need to be admitted. That could be several hours. That’s outside of flu season. I’ve seen patients in beds in the hall on a busy Saturday night.

That’s when there’s no Coronavirus. Imagine a badly overcrowded system like this with even a few cases. They would have to slow everything down for isolation procedures. I don’t even know how they could admit suspected Corona cases into the main ER. Theres no way to isolate people, they don’t even have doors. Tents in the parking lot would be more like it.

About intensive care, the ward was pretty small. Each room is tiny, no extra room. The nurses were great, but overworked as it was. Every bed seemed full. My dad had to wait in the regular hospital bed for an ICU bed. At my hospital, all the rooms in the ICU were around the nurses’ station. My dad was on life support. There’s another thing that must be pretty limited. I didn’t see any room for extra patients.

At one point I went to visit a vendor that rented medical equipment. They rented equipment for home health care for pretty sick people. That was limited. Home health care nurses would go to your house and visit and help teach the family to manage the equipment and clean it. Imagine having a home health care nurse that’s been exposed to Coronavirus visit your family with no symptoms, but shedding virus.

I don’t see how this doesn’t turn into China 2.0 if it takes hold here. Isolation units in the U.S. are extremely limited and there’s a vast opportunity for cross contamination of already sick hospital patients, which happened in China. Plus the likelihood of hospital staff becoming infected themselves.

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Stay in if you like! I'm not gullible as you put it. It's my money and my decision alone. Just because you feel otherwise doesn't mean people are NOT getting out, or limiting their exposure. The same goes for my friends. How many hedge fund managers and wealth managers do you personally know? Are you familiar with foreign markets?

Do you ignore or deny the simple fact that in the US, many people do indeed take note of what Buffet and Bezos do? I never said I had based any decision solely on those two billionaires, just noted what they have done. It's no lie, rather well publicised it has been. There's absolutely no basis to deem me gullible.

Ask your broker or advisor if people are converting to bonds, or selling. If they're honest, they shall confirm what I'm saying here. Many are buying gold as well.

^ for R79

I'm supposed to fly to Europe in April. I wonder if it will be safe to do so. I suppose if not safe then the airline will cancel; it's a concern though.

R54 It's been reported in the financial sections of several newspapers days ago. It HAS been recorded. Start reading more!

We're all going to be fucked.

And not in the most delightful way.

Buy trip insurance if you can r96

It's going to get whole lot worse.

Unfortunately, we cannot guarantee that it will get better.

I bet you believe EVERYTHING you're told, don't you R97 !

According to a CNN story, China is not counting asymptomatic cases with a positive test result. This is very concerning .

From the Guardian :

28m ago 16:22

52 cases confirmed in Italy COVID-19 is now confirmed to have infected 52 people across Italy: 39 in Lombardy, 12 in Veneto, 1 in Turin and a suspected case in Umbria.

The viral outbreak that began in China has infected nearly 78,000 people globally and, on Friday, Italy became the first country in Europe to report the death of one of its own nationals from the coronavirus, triggering a lockdown in about a dozen towns.

Updated at 4.32pm

R101 Why don't you pick up a newspaper from three days ago or google it? You cannot disprove it, as it is published in several leading US newspapers. The article on Bezos and his sale of shares even appeared front page on many. You don't even need to read the business section, or the WSJ. Obviously you don't have a clue as to general news.

R101 Please find the retractions then to reassure us all.

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^ shut down, but shit may be the more appropriate wording

There was nothing in the WSJ about Bezos dumping stock because of the coronavirus.

17 min ago

From cnn:

"We are clearly at the brink" of pandemic, says top infectious disease doctor From CNN's Chandelis Duster

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN he thinks "we are clearly at the brink" of a coronavirus pandemic.

In an interview with CNN's Michael Smerconish on Saturday, the nation's top infectious disease doctor said: "Our fate is going to be determined by the ability of countries outside of China that have travel-related cases. And now they're starting to develop sustained transmission from person to person to person."

"So when you get countries like Japan and South Korea that have these cases that are person to person to person without any real ability to point to where it came from, that's the makings of a pandemic," Fauci said. "And if you have multiple countries like that, then the horse is out the barn. And it's going to be very difficult to prevent more cases from coming here to our own country."

Fauci said, however, that the risk to the US is still "very low," but warned that could "change rapidly." He also said evacuating Americans off the Diamond Princess cruise ship was a "difficult decision," but he believed it was "without a doubt the correct decision."

It's gonna get a lot worse for Italy because they love going to soccer stadiums for games, majority of games are on the weekends. Expect hundreds of cases in the coming week.

It's karma coz they are racist cunts and love to verbally abuse black players...

Okay, I'm taking this more seriously and have now stopped rimming for the foreseeable future.

While it's still on my mind, another naming suggestion for the next thread (I like "The Who" themes):

Behind Flu Eyes

R102 I had posted about this strange change days ago. It seems the Chinese have taken a second turn in their accounting after the 15K single-day uptick in cases was announced. The figures have appeared lower due to not counting those without symptoms, regardless of test results. They simply go into the suspected cases tally.

This change was widely broadcast in HK & Singapore. The Straits-Times is a good source for further explanation; they have a YouTube channel. The Chinese are also said to be back to only counting those with symptoms and chest x-rays or CT scans as "suspected" rather than confirmed. It's quite confusing keeping up with such changes.

R108 You're either a pesky and relentless little troll, or you lack the ability to read carefully. I said you didn't need to read the business section, or the WSJ... I didn't say WSJ ran front-page article. You obviously cannot google properly either! No worries mate, I've done it for your dumb arse, and shall provide you a link below!

Similar articles have appeared in The Chicago Tribune, and The New York Times.

[quote]It's quite confusing keeping up with such changes.

I think that's the point

nobody gives a shit about bezos! Fuck that cunt who took away health insurance for part time workers at whole foods! and treating robots better than humans at his warehouses! I would not shed a tear if he gets the virus!

Furthermore R108 NEVER did I phrase any such sentence making the direct attribution to COVID-19 for these sales of shares. That is for the individual investors to decide for themselves. Looking at production figures in Germany, France, and China, in addition to the price of coal, gas, tech stocks, etc. one makes inferences of the markets broadly. It isn't just the virus causing people to sell off. It isn't panic, per se either, but a real reckoning of a much needed correction, and the fallout from tne virus just may be the straw which breaks the camel's arse. Don't cherry-pick my words and titty-twist them to construct false arguments, as you shall lose.

I have no idea what Bezos is doing, but all accounts point to a lot of businesses having to temporarily lay-off or even close due to no Chinese parts available.

By the way, this is how the South lost the Civil War (no heavy industry, it was all up north) and why the UK was on rationing for years during WWII. They simply couldn’t get food imports in enough quantity, let alone household goods, and there were shortages of everything.

The U.S. didn’t do badly because we had heavy industry, manufacturing plants, steel and manufactured our own car parts and consumer goods in large part. Now that’s all gone, and we are exactly where the UK was back then, but much larger.

The virus itself is one part. But will we have rationing of some products, or just have to do without? Already they’re rationing masks in some areas. What about when it comes to clothing, shoes, light bulbs, batteries or construction materials?

Get your car oil changed, air filters and tires checked now. Tires come from China.

Another link to Marketwatch with an even larger tally. Definitely at LEAST two-thirds.

Link @R114 still works, despite preview warning. This publication is normally behind a paywall, however a couple articles are available gratis.

Italy’s Veneto governor Luca Zaia has shut all universities in the region until the end of next week. This while the carnival rages in the Veneto capital, Venice. If this isn’t a fitting image of the End Times, I don’t know what is.

R118 Air filters, brake pads, timing chains and belts, etc... MANY autoparts for sure. Chinesium is central to the supply chains. Plastics, rubber compounds, fabrics for upholstery and other textiles...on and on ad nauseum. Only very Panglossian types or cretins cannot see the ramifications. It probably will not have disastrous effects for another two quarters, but it is surely coming.

This is probably the biggest reason why the cost of bonds has risen Wednesday through Friday.

I do apologise for the stinky-linky in R106. I had initially tried linking an aricle, not the vid. It was regarding the two areas where the Italians are requested to stay inside. I believe three towns now in total. Some were small with only a few thousand people, but one is a town with a population of over 10K inhabitants.

The Italian article also had a lead on an outbreak where the virus spreading amongst Unilever employees in Lodi. Worth reading.

Russia-linked disinformation campaign fueling coronavirus alarm, US says

R102 Seems like they're getting a kick of making those stats absolutely useless. So much shameless bullshit.

Full circle...

In 1377 during the plague Venice denied entry to ships for 40 days. Those "quaranta giorni" have given name to the term "quarantine" as we know it.

The Russia bullshit is about the CIA conspiring to create the Coronavirus somehow. They never miss a chance to be assholes.

Russia is what twenty years of Trump would be like. Putin is just a smarter Trump.

A 77-year-old woman who was found dead at her house 50 km south of Milan on Thursday has tested positive for the coronavirus, a local councillor said on Saturday, after a 78-year-old man died of the infection near Padua overnight.

The man’s wife and daughter are among 12 people infected by the coronavirus in the Veneto region. Italy is the worst affected country in Europe, with the bulk of cases concentrated in Lombardy, the country’s financial and industrial heart.

Regional Welfare Councillor Giulio Gallera told reporters the center of the outbreak was Codogno, a small town southwest of Milan where Lombardy’s first infected patient was treated.

That patient was a 38-year-old man, who fell ill after meeting a friend who had visited China. His condition has stabilized, authorities said.

“All those who have tested positive are people who on February 18-19 had contacts with the emergency room and the hospital of Codogno,” Gallera said, adding 259 people had been screened in the area in the past two days and 35 had tested positive.

“A contagion rate of 13% is quite strong,” he said.

Some 50,000 residents in Codogno and nearby towns have been advised to remain indoors. Public gatherings including Sunday masses and football matches have been suspended, and schools and shops have been closed down.

[quote]Tang and Country Time lemonade mix.

That stuff will kill you before CoronaVirus does, r59.

Back in the thirties some states closed their borders to prevent the spread of polio. Yes, US states closing borders!

Tang.

Cheers R129 for the link!

[quote] Russia is what twenty years of Trump would be like. Putin is just a smarter Trump.

Russia is what is left after the combined catastrophe of the Tsars, the Bolsheviks, the Soviets, the Nazis, Stalin, the Communists, the Famines, the Gulag, the Purges and Collectivization.

Reuters on twitter:

@Reuters South Korea says coronavirus cases more than double, total now 433

Spreading fast in another dog eating country...

Was just at my local AT&T store considering trading up my iPhone for an 11S. It was suggested to me maybe I should wait for the 12 in September but based on what's going on in China I think I'll just trade for an 11S, thanks.

[quote] I suppose if not safe then the airline will cancel; it's a concern though.

HAHAHA. Airlines won't care.

Why are there a higher ratio of deaths in mainland China cases, though? It's not just down to rates of smoking, surely?

Suggestion for next thread title:

Coronavirus Freakout Seven: “What’s in the Box?!!?”

Timing is Everything ............

R137 200,000 canceled already.

Air China offering 'full' refund, subject to $300 cancellation fee.

R141 "...mostly within China." The other poster was talking about a trip to Europe.

I blame it on those self confessed hospital workers who were/are too stupid or too lazy and choose not to report symptoms that are not the norm. In a case such as this, all it takes is one person to get the ball rolling. Before you know it, what started out as a tiny snowball soon becomes a huge, life threatening boulder.

Mixed up R144. A snowball of any size can never become a boulder of any kind.

R138 Their method of counting is unreliable as they exclude people who tested positive if they are asymptomatic. There was also a shortage of tests (I don't know if it's resolved now) meaning they probably prioritised testing people with more severe symptoms.

So I guess the Olympics in Tokyo will be a disaster. Poor Japan.

So far, 17 deaths out of 1521 confirmed cases outside of mainland China. This equates to a mortality rate of 1.1% . The mortality rate is about 3% in China based on their questionable data. Time to worry

'Drive-thru' coronavirus testing to start on Monday

Suspected cases asked to drive to NHS health centres where nurses in Hazmat gear will swab them through the window

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Thank you Bjork

For those tracking developments in Italy, I found a site which provides hourly updates.

Wow, just when I thought this virus and thread were dying. I went out grocery shopping and there are 150 posts from when I left.

Translate it!

Why do certain posters such as R54 continue to deny things which they have not researched or fact-checked themselves. It's as if some on these threads have some immediate inclination to insist certain things are untrue, though they are very ill-informed, just very overly confident.

Secondly, do posters such as R54 think none of us scroll back up, and re-read an original post, to see if it has been taken out of context, or that their words are being twisted? Saying one has it on very good authority that people are getting out of the stock market , is not the same assertion as R54's quoting "You don't have it on good authority Bezos or Buffet are getting out". See, it doesn't work that way, to take the objects from the second sentence which follows, and add them to my first sentence, about any authority or source regarding people GENERALLY getting out. That my dear fool, is what we call putting words in someone's mouth.

All of this seems quite trollish to my sense of fair mindedness. When I'm ever wrong in such instances, I do make a reply. Come to think better of it though, I don't deny things I'm clueless about. When something seems incredulous, I simply look it up.

Lets hear more grocery/supply preparation suggestions. I bought an extra large jar of Duke's mayo.

r150 Sorry, if you are President it is your fault. If this happened under Obama, it would surely be blamed on him. Either he knew and is hoping it will force an election cancelation so he can declare himself the winner, or he is stupid and the State Department didn't draw good enough pictures for him. Either way, it's his fault.

NHK reports that the COVID-19 virus did not originate at a Wuhan market as originally believed, according to a study.

R119, Told you were dumb and you are. You're stupid enough to think that Jeff Bezos selling $3.5 billion of Amazon stock is equivalent to his selling at least two-thirds of his Amazon stock.

Here's the deal, dimwit--Bezos owns more than $120 BILLION worth of Amazon stock. So, no, he's not selling two-thirds of his stake in Amazon, he's selling around 3 percent. And just because you're that mathematically challenged, I'll point out that two-thirds would be around 66 percent.

Bezos sold because A) there was a run-up on Amazon's stock prices that made him even more rich, B) because he likes funding his rocketship company and C) he's going to throw $10 billion at the environment (probably a tax write-off involved, but whatever.

Amazon is looking into how to manage the effects of the coronavirus on global supply chains--that *was* on the front page of the New York Times. You could even make an argument that Amazon will be in good shape in a pandemic as people will go out less and want more things delivered. Basically, Amazon is placing big orders early to compensate for expected slowdowns in the global supply chain.

Like I said, you're the definition of "dumb money." So I'll give you the advice that was given to me years ago--indexed mutual funds. Don't try to outguess the market unless you really know stuff. You don't.

R119 seems to be R154--Nope, not a troll, just someone who knows something about the net worth of the world's richest man.

R159 Why must you be so nasty, and only contribute to arguing, and the twisting of peoples' words here? First of all, your figures regarding how much Amazon stock Bezos holds is wrong, not currently up to date: please provide a link to demonstrate such a new position. Bezos has had multiple sell-offs, large and small. The article saying he dumped 2/3 is still out there for you to google! Are you familiar with the other stock Bezos is or now WAS holding? No, you probably have no clue.

You really ought to try contributing something positive to the thread rather than antagonising me, and calling me "dumb money"! I have the money, and I've managed to retire at fifty, so how dumb am I really? I always get a much better than average return annually as well, and I'm no day trader. You probably don't have a baby-toe dipped in yourself, when you deny all the risk currently. Small mind, small money, and small worries. It's far easier for people like you to remain "all in". Give it a rest already dumbkopf. You're idiocy has already been demonstrated by your inability to read, and grasp the finer points. You still cannot deal with reality!

'You're idiocy has already been demonstrated by your inability to read, and grasp the finer points. You still cannot deal with reality!'

Shame you are an illiterate spastic.

R160 I happen to be R119. I'm going to find the respective articles which state definitively he has sold 2/3 of his stock. Some people kept saying he never did sell billions because it would make the company look bad, and cause the value of Amazon to fall: more rubbish assumptions as Bezos has been selling off Amazon repeatedly (even prior to his divorce settlement) to finance his Blue Origin vanity project. Some very large, some rather small chunks hete and there. Some here just want to keep claiming what I post is false. Fucking prove it!

AFP -#BREAKING Italy's coronavirus infections jump to 79, including two deaths, says official

i found this picture on twitter ....

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote]Translate it!

r154 - My computer program has an automatic translation feature pop up. Don't most computers?

The only reason that we have a chance of beating this virus is that it broke out in China. Where else can you quarantine an entire city of over 10 million people for weeks! Certainly the number of infected and dead is much higher than reported but one can not underestimate the scale of what they have done. In addition to the total lock down of Wuhan, over 750 million people in China have been impacted in some way or another by this crisis. Many working from home where possible, extending vacations, etc , etc., In China, people are accustomed to abiding by the law, wearing masks, doing what authorities say, sacrificing comforts, etc. Moreover, the government is sitting on stock piles of money and can afford to lose many thousands of people, if not millions. I can not imagine a similar situation in the west. If it takes hold here, we are totally and completely fucked and not in a nice way. It's game over

R156 Don’t forget pet food. Also crackers & cheese & cured meat. Cereal and boxed milk with long shelf life (doesn’t need refrigeration). Frozen stuff lasts a long time too. Toilet paper and toothpaste and OTC meds. I’m thinking enough supplies to last a month or so.

Bezos has unloaded a grand total of 12B USD worth of Amazon stock in the past three and a half years. The majority, has been sold in the last two years. His original holding and position in the company was much less than R159 puts forth. Bezo's wife also received roughly 25% of Bezo's Amazon stock.

The current sell-off, after Friday accounts for a little more than a fifth of his total Amazon holdings, and is reflected in the two-thirds of ALL his stock sold recently, he doesn't just hold Amazon!

Again, R159 thinks he can do the maths, yet he cannot read. Bezos selling 2/3 of stock he holds, does NOT account to selling 66% of Amazon. My post stated he has sold 2/3 of his stock he holds in general, not 2/3 of Amazon. Who is the dumbkopf now? I'm done with your nonsense.

As REM sang, "its the end of the world as we know it." But I won't be fine, I fear. Time will tell. The next few days are key

Yeah if you were so smart so right why do you feel the need to be so nasty ?Have you been kicked out of Twitter?We all know who I’m talking about.

We are talking about the end of the world here and I wonder if it is a coincidence at the time we have the worst president of all time in a election year.

We should all join hands and sing Kumbyah. Sorry I don’t know how to spell that. I ain’t smart

R163, Good, please do.

R159, I gave a rough estimate, but we can play this game if you want. Here's a link to the Securities filing from January. At the end of 2019, Bezos owned 57, 551,216 shares of Amazon stock. He controlled 77, 049,423 shares (his ex-wife gave him the power to control her shares as part of the divorce settlement). Over the last 52 weeks, Amazon's stock price has traded between $1,586 and $2,185 per share. On Friday, it closed at $2,092.

Of those 57 million + shares, Bezos has sold since Jan. 31, about 905,00 shares worth $1.8 billion. He sold similar amounts in 2019 and 2017 and has said he does this to finance his rocket company. A quick Google of Jeff Bezos stock sales will turn this number up.

I'm mean and nasty about it because you were pushing bad information--still are. Misinformation is causing a lot of damage--and it's often spread for nefarious reasons--i.e. shortsellers trying to push a stock price down.

DM Front Page.

Ooops, wrong thread.

R161, the vast majority of Bezos wealth is in Amazon. You're not providing a link to show he sold two-thirds of his stock portfolio because you don't have one. You're lying through your teeth, the question is why?

I'm really beginning to believe that we're at the point where the CDC and WHO think there will be a pandemic, that we're past containment and now just trying to slow down the spread in hopes of getting a vaccination sooner.

Meanwhile, they don't want panic.

I think that's true, all they can do at this point is buy time. The warmer weather may help, hopefully it's a seasonal virus like the flu.

I think if they thought this was a normal flu they wouldn't be putting so much effort into stopping it.

Could we cool the Bezos argument or take it to another thread please? This one is about the virus.

Yes, the back and forth bitching is distracting. You two are both assholes.

R180 & R179, et al I do apologise on my part. It's difficult for me at times to stop when I've been trolled. I'm over and out with the poster, as I've already declared.

Sure, I've made my point and it is off-topic.

R176 the only reason I can. Think of is .....

RUSSIAN TROLL! !!!!

Sorry I had to say that.

R165, Did you see the picture of the Chinese fish seller wearing a pair of underwear over his head and covering his face? He was so grateful when a buyer gave him a new face mask.

It seems as if stories such as this ought to be receiving more national coverage, but alas they are not. This many under quarantine receives no mention on Nightly or World News?

I find the choice of phrasing the total in hundreds, rather than thousands is quite generous with the title's attempts at avoiding any sensationalism. 7,700 people (6700 under self-quarantine with local health dept. monitoring) seems large enough to take seriously. I don't believe it reflects well on CDC to decline comments on the Bay Area either. How are they really really defining "medium risk individuals"?

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I am hesitant to offer medical advice as I am in no way qualified. But I do have a suggestion that might be helpful.

I am unable to get a flu vaccine because of prior Guillain-Barre Syndrome. A few years back my doctor advised taking L-Lysine during the flu season. I take 1000 milligrams twice daily. Haven't suffered flu since 1993. I do take every precaution to avoid exposure.

I know some use it for viral outbreaks of Herpes Simplex to alleviate symptoms. Perhaps someone here with a PharmD could offer an opinion on L-Lysine, and its ability to disrupt viral replication.

I appreciate everyone posting here. Wishing good health to everyone as we continue to monitor this scary situation.

R185, the Bay Area will be an interesting study on how this works--tons of well-educated Chinese immigrants who visited China, but are also educated and cooperative enough to stick with self-quarantining.

Back in January when the Wuhan virus was just hitting big, local groups were already cancelling local Lunar New Year parties and the servers at the nearby Ranch-99 were wearing masks and gloves. The concerns were clearly within the Chinese community itself.

I think there haven't been any additional Bay Area cases since the first couple in Santa Clara County, so that's a good sign. At this point, I'm assuming not a lot of people are coming in from China.

R188 My cat takes a daily L-Lysine supplement for a chronic respiratory issue.

R156 and anyone that’s buying extra food but isn’t much of a cook, this book has a lot of recipes with beans, lentils, rice and similar grains. It’s a good starting place if you’ve never done much cooking from scratch.

It would be nice to infect a Russian troll farm or two.

R192

YAHOO hosts some ridiculous articles, but that one is at the top of the list.

Some retard was paid to write that drivel? Unbelievable.

The data out of Italy and South Korea are concerning. Too early to fully map, but it looks like the infection rate and transmissibility are HUGE.

When they announce cases in Los Angeles or Chicago or New York or Miami, the country will quickly go into a lockdown mode.

The economic repercussions of such a lockdown are so extreme that they can barely be fathomed.

The good news about the immunity of children and young adults, who currently comprise less than a percentage point of the death total, is hopefully a saving grace.

These young people, as long as they are healthy, rarely experience anything more than mild symptoms but can infect other people. They will become the front line of our interactions. The death of millions of people over age 50 will transfer trillions of generational wealth.

This thing is so big and opaque that it will take weeks to properly understand the dangers and opportunities.

Anyone who believes that life will return to normal in six weeks is delusional. This has been on my radar for almost 6 weeks, and is approaching an inflection point.

The data out of Italy and South Korea are concerning. Too early to fully map, but it looks like the infection rate and transmissibility are HUGE.

When they announce cases in Los Angeles or Chicago or New York or Miami, the country will quickly go into a lockdown mode.

The economic repercussions of such a lockdown are so extreme that they can barely be fathomed.

The good news about the immunity of children and young adults, who currently comprise less than a percentage point of the death total, is hopefully a saving grace.

These young people, as long as they are healthy, rarely experience anything more than mild symptoms but can infect other people. They will become the front line of our interactions. The death of millions of people over age 50 will transfer trillions of generational wealth.

This thing is so big and opaque that it will take weeks to properly understand the dangers and opportunities.

Anyone who believes that life will return to normal in six weeks is delusional. This has been on my radar for almost 6 weeks, and is approaching an inflection point.

R188 I have never gotten a flu shot, never taken L Lysine, and have never in my life gotten the flu, ever.

How old are you , dear. Do you only eat healthy? I’m 62 and got the flu for the first time a few years ago. I have gotten a flu shot every year every since.

I don’t quite understand the preponderance of some DLers to post articles from *Yahoo*.

R195 South Korea, Italy & Iran have been turning points.

South Korea & Italy may be able to contain it but not a hope in hell with Iran.

I have no doubt other clusters will start appearing in other countries around the world in the coming week or two.

Honestly, if countries don't start shutting their borders by the end of the week they are crazy.

The only thing that has stopped the virus killing big time in China has been the measures they are taking - but as soon as China lifts them back the virus will come.

The only optimistic hope I have is that as the virus progresses it will become more harmless and nothing more than the common cold. On pessimistic side it could also mutate into something even more deadly.

Economically the world is well and truely fucked for years to come.

R195. Unlikely. The really high mortality rates are among the 80+ and people who already have health issues. Rich people have a way of surviving, so I wouldn't count on that inheritance any time soon.

R199

A mutant form that is less virulent is as likely as a more virulent mutation. Apparently, infection by the mother confers a degree of immunity to children, and grandchildren, rendering formerly dangerous coronaviruses rather harmless.

A coronavirus that is spreading quickly doesn’t give us that buffer.

I believe that the economic impact has been severely underestimated.

If you work in retail or in restaurants, you will be laid off. Massive job losses are coming.

This is a shitshow or bureaucratic incompetence. Travel from China should have been shut down a month ago.

R188, I thought I post this article earlier. It's a clinical trial of L-Lysine for another virus, HIV. L-Lysine actually increases the viral load in that case.

I wouldn't recommend self-medicating without clinical evidence.

David Abel, the vlogging Tory from the Diamond Princes, is now in serious condition. His wife is also ill, but doing better.

Live by the cruise, die by the cruise.

People should have a look at Dr. John Campbell's Youtube videos. He has been doing them daily. These are chillingly to say the least. He should be running the WHO and not the clowns that are.

The fact the WHO's official line is international travel (including to China) is fine beggars belief.

Will DL close down after all the eldergays died from this virus?

[quote]Will DL close down after all the eldergays died from this virus?

No. Eldergays are immune to Wu-Flu; sad, really, but the virus just isn't into them.

The market fell 1% this week in large part due to corona virus. Both from disease fears, and from reported Apple supply line problems. I think it will recover next week, but eventually, it will take a hit, and fall quickly and steeply. It’ll probably be the catalyst for the recession and bear market that we’ve all been expecting for some time.

Sorry guys, but there're still hardly any cases outside of China and less than 2000 deaths after 2-3 months now. I dont think the US is anywhere near a major lockdown or economic crash as some here suggested.

Even the ones with 28-inch-waists who don’t want to humblebrag but they just [italic]have[/italic] to vent about how exhausting it is still getting carded at 76, R206?

Thank you r191.

Everyday...I walk past at least 1 cunt who coughs with mouth wide open, not covered.

in the evening, I was waiting for a friend outside a cafe and a group of chinese people were on the sidewalk talking and waiting...one guy was coughing without covering his mouth. good thing I was far away...I made sure I kept my distance once I heard their chinese accent. They looked like foreign students.

R208, there are now three clusters outside of China, including one that doubled overnight. China's still on lock-down mode and, even so, seems to be barely keeping control of the spread of the disease. As long as there's that kind of lockdown, we're going to see supply chains choking and that creates economic issues for the U.S.

I don't think we're looking at a repeat of the Spanish flu epidemic, but the 1957 flu epidemic? Sure.

CNN--Global death toll rises to 2,458 as Hubei province in China reports more deaths

The Hubei health authority reported that 96 more people died of the coronavirus in China's Hubei province on Saturday, February 22, raising the death toll in the outbreak's epicenter to 2,346.

Hubei authorities confirmed an additional 630 cases of the virus in Hubei on Saturday, including 32 cases in prison. The total number of cases in the epicenter of the outbreak is now 64,084.

The Hubei report brings the total number of deaths in mainland China to at least 2,441. The global death toll is at least 2,458, with 17 deaths outside of mainland China. Iran has reported five deaths from the coronavirus, while Japan has reported three deaths, and Hong Kong, Italy and South Korea reach reported two deaths. Taiwan, the Philippines, and France have each reported one death.

CNN-Number of coronavirus cases in Italy rises to 62

The number of people currently infected with novel coronavirus in Italy has risen to 62, with 46 cases in the northern region of Lombardy, 12 cases in the region of Veneto, three cases in Rome and one case in the Piedmont region.

Chinese propaganda...

Rumors are that next Thurs we'll get a more honest appraisal of the spread of Wu Flu in the US. Look for concerts, sporting events, non-essential large gatherings to be cancelled.

Also expect panic buying from those who didn't head my earlier warnings about stocking up at the grocery store. Already stores around the US are limiting hoarding of Lysol wipes and hand sanitizer if they haven't already run out.

Entertainment break.

In a few months, it just may not matter who owns what stock, how many shares, or who paid what for what.

I suggest purchasing stock from the companies manufacturing disposable gloves, face masks, hand sanitizer, and biohazard suits.

Backing up my previous post as I know many on DL still don't believe my advance warnings, please read the following linked article.

Possibly more evidence the virus leaked from the lab in Wuhan. The part about the researcher selling dead infected animals in the past is chilling.

It wouldn’t shock me if this were accidentally released, but the (general?) consensus in the scientific community is that it wasn’t.

Having said that, it doesn’t much shock me at all that a Murdoch paper is starting to repeat the government Narrative floated initially by Sen. Tom Cotton.

29 min ago - cnn

The number of coronavirus cases in Italy has surpassed 100, after 44 new cases were confirmed on Sunday, according to authorities.

Most of the cases are focused in the northern regions of Lombardy (which has 89 cases), Veneto, Emilia Romagna and Piedmont.

Health officials are expected to hold a press conference on Sunday to update the public with the total numbers for the country.

2 more doctors, both 29, have died. Very scary

2 hr 46 min ago

Another doctor dies from novel coronavirus in Wuhan From CNN’s Lily Lee in Beijing

Another doctor in the Chinese city of Wuhan has died after being infected with coronavirus, according to the official WeChat account of Wuhan Xiehe Jiangbei Hospital, where the doctor worked in the gastroenterology department.

Xia Sisi, 29, was admitted to the hospital on January 19, and was then transferred to Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University as her conditioned worsened.

“At 6:30 in the early morning of February 23, 2020, she died at Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University after all rescue measures were exhausted. We express our deep condolences to Doctor Xia Sisi's unfortunate passing and condolences to her family,” the hospital said in a statement.

On Thursday, another doctor in Wuhan, 29-year-old Peng Yinhua, also died from the virus. There was national outrage earlier this month when doctor Li Wenliang, who had attempted to raise the alarm about the virus in the early weeks of the outbreak only to be reprimanded by police, died of the disease.

Chinese officials have said that more than 3,000 hospital staff have been infected with the virus.

1m ago 11:31

Iran confirms eight dead and 43 infected Iran has confirmed eight deaths from the the new coronavirus, with the number infected rising to 43.

Most of the infections have been in Qom. Health Minister Saeed Namaki urged people to avoid traveling to the city, a major site for Shi’ite pilgrims 120 km (75 miles) south of the capital Tehran.

So the Iranian mortality rate is 18%....

Indeed! Alarming

A note too. Middle Easterners are big smokers.

I hope it wipes out the entire Middle East.

Things are going from bad to worse in Italy

17 min ago

Italian coronavirus cases surge to 132 as officials struggle to track down patient zero From CNN’s Livia Borghese and Helena DeMoura

Some 132 people in Italy have been infected with coronavirus, the head of the country’s Civil Protection agency, Angelo Borrelli, announced at a Sunday press conference.

Of those cases, 26 people are in intensive care, two have died and one has recovered, he said.

Italian authorities still have not tracked down the first carrier of coronavirus in the country, he added.

“We still cannot identify patient zero, so it's difficult to forecast possible new cases,” Borrelli said.

r225, the mortality rate is high because they are unable to detect, track down and test largest number of people as fast as possible. Lots of undetected cases. I don't trust the low number of cases in developing countries where lots of people do not have access to proper healthcare. I do not even believe the current number coming from developed Japan and their cruise because the number of new people they test per day is really small. Deliberately not testing/counting certain people and letting out dubious cases run free...

And Europe is not safe (has not been I guess)

Not only are Iranians heavy smokers (the men anyway with the poor women breathing in all the smoke) the air quality in Tehran is shit (like most Chinese cities) and the health care is in the toilet, partially because of sanctions from the West led by the US which has affected medical supplies for years in Iran.

Memo to all world leaders - have your sanction but medical related material and food should never be included in these actions. Its the little, ordinary people that suffer the most.

A third death was annonced from the Diamond Princess, an eighty year old Japanese man. 27 passengers are still serious/critical, and only 17 have fully recovered.

I wasn't that worried because there weren't the many deaths outside of China, but things seem to be accelerating those last days in Iran, Italy and South Korea.

South Korea has been testing aggressively

R232 All three deaths from that ship have been aged over 80 and way more likely than not had serious underlying health conditions.

Given that 80% of the passengers of that cruise ship were over 60 I would expect more deaths particularly for the 80 years +.

Well, this shit just got real for me: Venice has just cancelled its famous Carneval after three people went to intensive care with Coronavirus. That's never happened before in my memory.

Also, get this: "Bishops in several dioceses in northern Italy issued directives that holy water fonts be kept empty, that communion wafers be placed in the hands of the faithful and not directly into their mouths by priests celebrating Mass and that congregants refrain from shaking hands or exchanging kisses during the symbolic Sign of the Peace ritual." That's pretty radical.

Honestly, people need to start stocking anything that the can't do without for 6 - 9 months and that has used by dates to cover that period. Canned food, medicines, bottled foods, pet food (they all have very long used by dates), tissues, rubber gloves, toothpaste, shaving creaming, razors, pads or plugs for the ladies, etc.

I have said this throughout these posts and I have already stocked up a fair amount of stuff. I don't work so I'll rarely have to leave the house thank goodness.

NYT's Farnaz Fassihi:

Iran's health ministry reports 60% increase in deaths & 54% increase in infected numbers in just past 24 hours.

Confirmed today mayor of Tehran district 13 tested positive & has coronavirus. He attended city council meeting while infected exposing politicians to virus. Exposed Council members then had close contact with senior officials like FM Zarif on election day.

57 new cases on the Diamond Princess, making a total of 691. 55 crew members and 2 passengers. 52 were asymptomatic. No wonder it spread so fast.

Thanks R219.

So how do you not get sick? Does everybody eventually get it, just that some people have natural immunity?

This is chilling. Many of us used to say that we’d eventually get a severe flu-like pandemic. It was just a matter of when, not if; and I guess this is it.

They’re going to limit or cancel public gatherings. I haven’t heard anybody say that one shouldn’t attend funerals, but I guess that is included in the list of things one should avoid, if possible.

I assume it’s possible for two different pandemics to occur at the same time, right? We can hope that doesn’t happen. It seems unlikely, as these grave pandemics seem to be infrequent.

R235 So holy water is "holy" and you can use it to help drive out Pazazu, but it isn't anti-viral and disinfecting? Catholic school lied to me!

I have natural immunity, R239.

Mardi Gras is on Tuesday. What could go wrong?

Anyone have any idea what will happen with bitcoin? I’m guessing stocks will generally fall.

The US has an unprecedented debt, today. There was always an open question as to when “too much debt” would cause a financial/economic panic, like a collapse of the value of the dollar. Economic and social shocks have the potential of being the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

Everything's gonna be alright...

There won't be anything too dramatic in the financial markets. G20 finance ministers are meeting in Riyadh and their central banks will take action to pump money into the system.

Barcelona players will be tested for coronavirus ahead of their Champions League match in Naples.

R246 since money is basically imaginary now, can they pump some into my checking?

NYT-Pakistan and Turkey temporarily closed their borders with Iran on Sunday, as Tehran announced that it would close schools, universities and cultural centers across 14 provinces in an effort to curb the coronavirus.

it's spreading super fast in Italy coz they love to kiss when greeting, both sides of face.

R246

You must be spectacularly retarded to believe that inflating the money supply cures coronavirus infections. You sound like Ben Bernanke.

Their central banks will take measures...Thailand has already cut rates.---------

Two south-east Asian central banks responded on Wednesday to the economic impact of the coronavirus outbreak, with Thailand cutting interest rates to a record low and Singapore reassuring the market that its currency had “sufficient room” to ease within its set limits.

Singapore and Thailand are two of the countries most exposed to the virus outbreak, with the second and third largest number of cases, respectively, after China. Chinese tourists accounted for more than a quarter of the 38m who visited Thailand last year, and passenger numbers from the mainland have plummeted in recent days.

The Bank of Thailand reduced its policy rate by a quarter of a percentage point to 1 per cent, saying that the Thai economy would expand at “a much lower rate” in 2020 than its previous forecast, and well below its potential level due to the outbreak, which has hit the country’s tourism sector. Delays in approving the annual budget, and a severe drought, have also weighed on growth.

“There is a huge exposure of the Thai economy to a downturn in outbound travel from China,” said Khoon Goh, head of Asia research at ANZ in Singapore. “The baht has weakened in reaction, along with currencies in the rest of the region.”

“Financial stability became more vulnerable due to the prospect of economic slowdown,” Titanun Mallikamas, secretary of Thailand’s Monetary Policy Committee, said after the body voted unanimously for the cut. “In this situation, there was an urgent need to co-ordinate monetary and fiscal measures.”

The Monetary Authority of Singapore said its policy stance remained unchanged but acknowledged the potential for currency depreciation. Its statement said there was “sufficient room within the policy band to accommodate an easing” of Singapore’s exchange rate to reflect the economic weakening caused by the coronavirus.

There will be a shortage of toys come xmas time! Get all the action figures or whatever the shit the kids are into now...

There will be a shortage of toys come xmas time! Get all the action figures or whatever the shit the kids are into now...

Maybe this will tee off the prediction in that other thread about the downturn & misery in the 2020s.

If large numbers of people die off and leave their money to relatives, isn’t that inflationary? You have an steady supply of money with a shrinking demand for goods due to fewer people. Or is it insignificant? Also, people will have inherited goods and hence will need fewer new goods. Even things like cars.

You just know Trump will flub his handling of this., He’ll also welcome the opportunity to close the southern border entirely.

Well, if it hits NYC at least the homeless will get swept out of the subway system. I should think a lot of them would be dumped in Secaucus.

R256 If demand falls then so do prices, as a rule.

R257 the homeless in NYC probably have less direct Human contact than an average NY’er.

Wow, R259, and the economy is already tending to be deflationary! I don’t know what happens then. I’ve never lived through that kind of economy. Maybe the Great Depression has some relevant lessons on this subject? .

Here are some other things you can do to prepare:

Make sure you’ve got a good medical insurance plan and a good primary care doctor. Medicare often will cover only 80% of a bill, and a long hospital stay could be up around $50,000 dollars! There are so-called “Gap” plans you can buy that cover most expenses that Medicare does not. I’ve got that. After a small deductible, I never see a bill. Make sure you’ve got premium prescription insurance, too.

Buy long term care insurance. It’s the kind that pays for nursing homes and that kind of thing. I’ve got one of those, too.

Buy life insurance for a loved one, and do it soon! They’ll miss your income and an insurance payment will help them manage.

Update your will, identify your passwords in a document in a safe place.

You might want to think about buying a plot or making other funeral arrangements. You will die eventually, anyway. I bought a plot next to my parents because I didn’t want to put it off, and wind up finding that a stranger had snapped it up, so I bought it early.

Stockpile cold and flu medicine. You don’t want to have to go to CVS when you’re half dead with the flu and out of NyQuil.

If you desire particular funeral arrangements, make sure it’s written down in a place people can immediately find. Otherwise, you might be buried weeks before your doc is ever found.

I work at a warehouse theat employs over a thousand people. We get merchandise from all over the world especially from China. My favorite catfish comes from Vietnam or Korea (I can remember which). My favorite candy bar is Bueno from Italy.

How long do I have?

R262, see R261.

R262, leave me your candy in your will. I'm sure it'll still be fresh.

You ded r262

Can I have your stuff?

Am I the only one who smells a conspiracy?

You should stock up on Bueno candy bar, I don't know where you are but they are on sale, 2 for $3 in CVS in Manhattan. I just went there to buy some soap.

CNN-Third death in Italy from coronavirus

A third person infected with the novel coronavirus has died in Italy, a regional official said on Sunday.

Lombardy health official Giulio Gallera told reporters Sunday that the victim was an elderly woman from the town of Crema near Milan, who was also suffering from cancer. Two other elderly patients in northern Italy have died over the past 48 hours.

CNN- Migrant rescue ship put in quarantine in Sicily

Italian authorities have put a migrant rescue ship in quarantine in Sicily, the Interior Ministry said Sunday, as the number of coronavirus cases in Italy shot up over 130.

The Ocean Viking is a migrant rescue NGO vessel with 274 migrants aboard, according to Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF), also known as Doctors without Borders.

The migrants, rescued from the sea, are quarantined in Pozzallo, Sicily, along with the ship’s crew.

CNN-Afghanistan tests three in first suspected coronavirus outbreak in the country

Afghanistan is testing three people suspected of having coronavirus, the first potential outbreak in the country, its health ministry said Sunday.

The three people live in Herat province and recently returned from Iran, Ministry of Public Health spokesman Wahidullah Mayar said.

They are under surveillance and their blood has been sent to Kabul for testing, Dr. Mohammad Ibrahim Basin of the Herat regional hospital said.

Afghanistan has had no confirmed cases of coronavirus to date.

CNN- Italy's coronavirus outbreak is the biggest outside of Asia

There are now 78,854 confirmed cases of novel coronavirus and 2,465 deaths worldwide, according to the latest figures.

The majority of the cases and deaths are in mainland China, followed by Japan and South Korea. Over the weekend Italy's confirmed cases surged from three on Friday morning to more than 130 by Sunday, marking Europe's biggest outbreak.

Here are the top five countries to have experienced outbreaks beyond China:

Japan: 738 cases, 3 deaths. (639 cases on Diamond Princess cruise ship and 99 on land.)

South Korea: 602 cases, 5 deaths

Italy: 132 cases, 2 deaths

Singapore: 89 cases

Hong Kong: 74 cases, 2 deaths

Italy is losing control fast...they don't even know who is patient zero...

No patient zero has not been identified in Iran either.

4 of the passengers flown the UK yesterday from the Diamond Princess have now tested positive for the virus.

Is this thread tongue and cheek doomsday or are you gals serious?

Serious R275

Wait, is Bueno the same as Kinder Bueno? Because the latter is a German brand which can be purchased at CVS for the aforementioned discount.

Is Kinder Bueno the cure on sale at CVS?

R277, it's the same. the ones sold in the USA are made in Italy. some are made in France and Poland, according to wiki.

empty pasta shelves in supermarket in Italy ( i think this is from Milan)

Can passengers/families of dead passengers end up suing the Diamond Princess cruise line and the Japanese government?

Fortunately I got a rather large delivery of groceries last week and should be able to endure a siege.

They can always sue R281, whether they will be successful in their suits is another issue.

South Korea reports sixth death of coronavirus patient

A male patient who was diagnosed with the novel coronavirus and treated at Dongguk University Medical Center in the city of Gyeongju, South Korea, died on Sunday according the minister of health’s Twitter page.

The statement said the cause of death for the patient born in 1961 is under investigation and will be announced at a later time.

South Korea has a total of 556 coronavirus cases so far. Of those, 309 of them are associated with the Shincheonji religious group in Daegu.

More than 9,000 Shincheonji members are being put into self-isolation and will be tested, South Korea’s health ministry said.

I’m:already going to sue R262. Or his estate.

Those ships are damaged beyond salvaging. No one will want to book a trip on a petri dish and I don’t think a name change and good scrubbing will be enough,

Why does it seem like only Asian and white people are getting this virus? I still haven't heard about many black or brown people getting it. I wonder if some people have a level of immunity to it?

R286 Probably because they haven't been testing for coronavirus in african countries.

I had rabies as a child. Am I immune?

R288 if you survived rabies, you're probably immune to everything and immortal. Good luck with that.

[quote] I had rabies as a child. Am I immune?

No, honey. You had scabies as a child.

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Great, so we might all already have it and won't know until mid-March.

Are we all WuFlu POZ? #wuflupride

North of Italy is locking down

10 municipalities are isolated with police controlling the exit routes

Cinema and theaters closed.

Lessons at schools and universities suspended in 5 regions for at least one week

Bars should close at 6pm in Lombardy

Holy mass suspended in all churches in Lombardy and Veneto starting from tonight.

Chocolate is good for last days. I get it at Walmart 1 dollar a bar. Not too many bargains at CVS. I live in Bumfuk.

Totally fucked

I was talking about Bueno and my package says it comes from Kinder made in Italy.

According to Sky News Austria's interior ministry says a train travelling from Venice to Munich has been stopped at the country's border on suspicion that two people on board might be infected with COVID-19.

So much for EU freedom of movement R298.

Austrian officials have announced it’s shutting down ALL trains operating from Italy.

So basically this is the elite’s big chance to control us all.

Pandemic at the Parisian Disco!

South America is the only continent that hasn't been affected by the virus. How long will that last with Carnival coming up in Brazil?

Really dumb of Brazil to allow Carnival going forward.

R304 is right, but look whose in charge of Brazil. He probably thinks the virus is a gift from God to allow him to round up all the homos and others he doesn't like and put them in a virus-ridden quarantine.

CNN-G20 prepared to act on coronavirus if needed

Current global economic growth remains slow with the coronavirus outbreak posing the greatest risk, finance ministers and central bankers meeting at the G20 summit in Saudi Arabia said in a statement.

Despite that outlook, the G20 said that global economic growth is expected to pick up "modestly" in 2020 and 2021.

"Global economic growth remains slow and downside risks to the outlook persist, including those arising from geopolitical and remaining trade tensions, and policy uncertainty. We will enhance global risk monitoring, including of the recent outbreak of COVID-19. We stand ready to take further action to address these risks," according to the final document of the conference. The host of the G20 meeting, Saudi Finance Minister Mohammed Al Jadaan, said that countries will be ready to act on the risk coronavirus poses to commerce.

"We all agreed that all countries and states will be ready to intervene as needed to face these risks and it’ll be a multilateral intervention including the WHO (World Health Organization) to monitor these risks and use relevant policies as needed," Jadaan said.

CNN-US military in Italy takes precautionary steps amid virus outbreak

Amid reports of multiple diagnoses of the move coranavirus in Italy, the US military in Italy is closing schools and taking other precautionary steps.

"As a precautionary measure USAG Italy will close all Vicenza Military Community (VMC) DODEA schools and activities, CDC, and CYS activities, fitness centers on Ederle and Del Din, AAFES post theater and chapel worship services from Monday through Wednesday, Feb 24-26," Col. Daniel J. Vogel, USAG Italy Garrison Commander, said in a release.

Vogel added: "As of 4 p.m., Feb. 23, there are zero confirmed cases within the city of Vicenza, the Vicenza Military Community, Darby Military Community, or Ghedi Military Community. As of 8:30 a.m. on Feb. 23, there are 17 cases of the coronavirus in the Italian Veneto region, and a total of 79 confirmed cases in Italy."

cnn--White House expected to ask Congress for coronavirus money this week

White House officials are expected to ask Congress for emergency funding this week to battle the coronavirus amid growing fears of a larger outbreak in the US, two officials familiar with the forthcoming request said.

Government aides worked throughout the weekend on the supplemental request, which is still not final but could be sent to Capitol Hill as soon as Monday, said a person familiar with the plans.

That source said Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar has ruffled feathers through the process by requesting amounts of money that “have been seen as largely out of proportion.” The source noted HHS already has money that could be used for coronavirus issues, but claimed Azar “has been pushing hard for this to overcompensate” for management decisions regarding coronavirus containment that the source criticized.

I hope our economy craters...anything to get rid of the Orange Anus.

R288: I had rabies as a child. Am I immune?

I thought this was fatal? How did you survive?

It’s coming for us!

Rabies can be fatal in humans but I know someone who had it and recovered. The treatment is brutal, involving long needles used for injections into the stomach.

R305

Your insistence in injecting stupid political comments into this serious thread makes you worthless to the discussion.

With any luck you will be among the first dead in America.

Good information on supply chain disruptions.

R309

Unfortunately, I believe that this outbreak will make him even more invulnerable in November.

Not if he allowed people back in the US with the virus.

Damn, I really hope the warm weather will kill this off coz we can't have this fuck up the elections!

OP, This thing has the potential to affect everything: finance, social events, and politics. It has been interesting, so far, I thought.

Tokyo currently has no intention of cancelling the Summer Olympics.

[italic] FOOL$ !

No one should have ever been allowed off of the ship.

That's just sad reality.

🐣 [italic] I'm Cuckoo For Corona !

Rumors again surfacing that Corona virus may have leaked from a lab in China.

R316

He wasn’t informed they tested positive and went apeshit (aka, acted normally) when he found out.

He’s a germophobe.

I’m shocked he hasn’t called for the infected people to be executed, just to be sure.

I'm going to Costco on Tuesday to get a month's supply of food. I'm on low carb for health, but if I'm going to die, I'm tempted to just buy a pallet of pasta and a 5 gallon bucket of ice cream. Costco is sold out of most of their prepper foods. Except the Asian inspired recipes.

I’ve stopped quite a bit, but I’m going tomorrow to grab quite a few more things.

I really think that the information coming out of Korea and Italy will get much worse over the next 48 hours, and that is assuming we don’t have confirmed cases “in the wild“ in the United States.

If more than a few dozen people test positive in any large metro area, or if a dozen patients in 4 or 5 cities test positive, people will begin hoarding food within hours.

This. Is. Not. A. TEST!

Bon appetit, R324.

Why are all these big sponsors including Facebook cancelling participation at conferences in SF? Do they expect a plague because we have a Chinatown?

R327

Canceling events of that magnitude costs tens of millions of dollars. They obviously are seriously concerned.

Agree. And it’s not just SF. Airlines and hotel are experiencing cancellations all over the planet.

International and Intra-national travel is going to collapse to near zero over the next six weeks.

Cheap flights for everyone!

CNN-

Kuwait confirms 3 coronavirus cases, The trio includes a 61-year-old Saudi citizen and a 53-year-old Kuwaiti national. The third person's nationality was undisclosed. “(All of them) showed no symptoms of the disease,” the health minister Abdullah Al-Sanad said, KUNA reported.

CNN- More than 230 new cases were confirmed in South Korea today, raising national total to 833

Among the 70 cases, 41 are from the city of Daegu, and 12 are from North Gyeongsang Province -- two places where the outbreak has been concentrated. The other cases are spread out across Seoul, Busan, Daejeon, Ulsan, and Gyeonggi Province.

The total number of deaths related to the coronavirus is now at seven, with the latest death happening yesterday.

I wonder how North Korea is faring.

It was fashion week in Milan the last days with lots of fashionistas from Asia traveling to Italy. And to Paris next. That's going to be good.

Also it is carneval season in Germany, millions of people on the streets and lots of tourists walking around. I would be surprised if the next outbreak won't be in Cologne.

Wow, people are overreacting. This will kill off all of the homophobic and racist old farts among us. Is that really a bad thing? Let nature take its course.

[quote]Wow, people are overreacting.

How do you know this?

After hurricane Rita my brother got free boxes of these Army meals from FEMA. Meal ready to eat? My brother brought some boxes to our camping trips and I thought they were great. They included hot meals, hot coffee, crackers with jalapeno cheese and even cute little Tabasco bottles. Does anyone know if you can buy those anywhere and how much they cost per package/meal?

R337, he doesn't. He's just happy it'll kill off old people.

In countries (and places) where there has been little or no person-to-person contact people should just carry on as per usual.

Though I would get into the habit of not touching ones own face, press lift buttons with your knuckle (ditto crossing lights though if the buttons are really big with your elbow). Don't hold onto escalator railings - just stand there. And get use to washing your hands thoroughly.

To really see how this is going to play out watch for developments in South Korea, Italy, Japan & Singapore. There reporting and tracing of this is top-notch (though Japan dropped the ball with the their handling of the Cruise ship).

Observe what is happening in China and Iran but take information coming out of those two countries with a grain of salt. In China's case the CCP lied to the world about when they first was aware of the virus but to be honest the measures they have taken to try and slow it down are to be applauded. With those actions they have helped to give the rest of the world more time.

Iran is having internal issues and their is political in-fighting so some misinformation will come out of there.

CNBC: Dow futures drop 700 points as coronavirus cases outside China surge

The true facts are being told.

It's already a plague.

If your flight attendant is suited in full hazmat gear, [italic] Don't Get On The Plane !

The death coming out of Italy and South Korea are disturbing. I don't know the breakdown of the ones from South Korea but in Italy all 5 have been 78 and older (two women, two men - not sure about the other).

Also, a bit of food for though whilst this virus is mainly attacking the 70s and over (the over 80s have horrendous death outcomes) the death rate of people in their 40s aren't too reassuring. At 0.09 that is nearly 1% for an age group that the regular flu barely kills - just makes sick but nothing more. I imagine people in the 40's with normal flu have a percentage of dying something like 0.00000001. So from that to 0.9 is very troubling. These are Chin'a figures though and the outcomes may be better in Western countries for a variety of reasons.

WHO are a disgrace. This should have been called exactly what it is today - a pandemic. Theo whatshisname will not go down in history well or any of the members of WHO for their bad handling of this crisis.

MSM is positively ignoring this. I had NO idea.

WHO = Perfect Chinese slave

Dow Jones down almost 1000 points at the open.

R345 But pandemic is such an ugly world! It scares people and is bad for politics and economy. The WHO is a civilised organisation and is no longer using it.

It's not as if it was still a thing 3 weeks ago:

[quote] "We are not in a pandemic yet. We are in an epidemic situation with multiple foci. There are currently 23 countries outside of China with reported cases. We are still very early in this outbreak.” World Health Organization @WHO provides an update on the #coronavirus outbreak."

The Olympics committee in Tokyo is in denial. It's a bust.

who the fuck is even going to the games? they should just give free tickets away...I doubt people will still turn up.

CNN-California city goes to court over possibility of housing coronavirus patients

Representatives from the southern California city of Costa Mesa will be in court this afternoon to continue its fight against housing coronavirus patients in its city.

Late Friday, a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order blocking the possible use of the Fairview Developmental Center to quarantine patients who've tested positive for the coronavirus. In the complaint, the city says “Fairview is an inappropriate location for a quarantine, as there is no way to restrict access to or from the facility.”

A hearing is scheduled for 2 p.m. local time Monday.

The Dow has biggest 2-day drop since dec 2019. Dow goes negative for 2020 (CNBC)

I'm very glad about this because I didn't have any money in the market.

CNN-UAE bans citizens from traveling to Iran and Thailand over coronavirus outbreak

The United Arab Emirates is banning its citizens from traveling to Iran and Thailand “until further notice in order to ensure the safety and health of citizens” because of the coronavirus outbreak, UAE’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement according to the state news agency, WAM.

The foreign ministry is also calling on Emirati citizens that are currently in those two countries to contact UAE’s embassies or contact the ministry on a phone number provided in the statement.

GILEAD and ABBVIE the two companies that make HIV drugs being used to treat it are not going down.

CNN-Iraq's first coronavirus case is a student from Iran

An Iranian student who entered Iraq prior to the country's travel ban on Iran has been confirmed to have coronavirus, according to a statement by Iraq’s Ministry of Health on Monday.

CNN-100,000 people affected by Italy's restrictions, officials estimate

Around 70,000 people are affected by the restrictions in Lombardy, and about 30,000 in Veneto. The figures are based on census data from nine years ago, the agency said.

Some background: Five people have died and at least 219 others have been infected with the virus in Italy. Strict emergency measures were put in place over the weekend, including a ban on public events in at least 10 municipalities, after a spike in confirmed cases in both regions.

ABOUT TIME!!!

CNN---Chinese government approves decision to ban consumption of wild animals

China's top political body approved the decision on Monday to ban the consumption and the illegal trade of wild animals, which some experts believe to be the source of the virus.

The National People’s Congress Standing Committee approved the ban on Monday in a bid to help “safeguard public health and ecological security," according to Chinese state media.

The move aims to “completely ban the eating of wild animals” while also “cracking down on illegal trade of wildlife,” state media reports.

The use of wild animals for scientific research, medicine and exhibition will now need to go through “strict examination and approval” by the supervising department in accordance with relevant regulations.

This comes after Chinese authorities suspended the trade of wild animals on January 26th in an attempt to stop the spread of the virus.

germany is so fucking stupid!

CNN-Germany is not planning to cut travel links with Italy

This comes as Italy's outbreak saw confirmed case numbers increase from three to more than 200 over the weekend.

“There is no travel warning for Italy and at this very moment and we are not intending to issue one,” Maria Adebahr, spokeswoman for the ministry, told reporters at a regular news conference.

Adebahr said that Germany updated its travel and security advice on travel Monday morning. It now reads: “If necessary, enquire at the Italian embassy or consulate responsible for you before starting your journey.”

Germany’s health ministry said Monday that the danger to the German population from the coronavirus remained low. However, the health ministry also said that this “assessment could change at short notice.”

R359, thanks for that. Some good news. What happens to those animals is horrific, and of course new diseases come from it.

CNN-Iranian lawmaker says 50 people are dead, but health ministry says official toll is 12

An Iranian lawmaker has claimed that 50 people have died, and blamed Iran's health ministry for failing to tackle the spread of the virus.

Ahmad Amirabadi Farahani, a lawmaker from Qom -- the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in Iran -- suggested that the outbreak was far larger than previously reported.

“10 people are dying in Qom daily, the number of people who have died from coronavirus until last night (Sunday night) is up to 50 people," Farahani told the semi-official News Agency Ilna on Monday.

"The minister of health is to blame,” Farahani added. “Qom is not doing well in terms of the spread of the coronavirus, and I think the government's performance in controlling the virus has failed."

But the health ministry denied his claims during a news conference, with a ministry spokesman saying there were 12 confirmed deaths and 61 confirmed cases across the country.

"No one has access to our information, sometimes there is a misunderstanding, because the symptoms of the flu and [the coronavirus] are similar," Iraj Harirchi, the health ministry spokesman, said Monday.

On Sunday, Iran’s government announced that universities and schools in 14 provinces, including in the capital Tehran, would be closed for a week.

Soccer matches in different leagues will continue but without audiences at the stadiums, according to state news agency IRNA.

supermarket in milan

It's pretty much a nothingburger, folks. If you're reasonably healthy andliving in a reasonably clean environment and you get it, odds are strongly against your requiring hospitalization, you'll probably think it's a cold or mild flu. They aren't making a big deal out of it or closing borders because for one thing, it's already too late to stop the spread and has been for a long time, and second, because it's just not that bad a virus, *provided* you are reasonably healthy and in a reasonably clean environment. Smokers and the elderly and people who live in squalor might be in somewhat more trouble than from the normal flu, but not much.

Just walked to the train station with one of my co-workers. On the way, we talked about the impact of the virus on our business and various HR emails concerning travel to China, Hong Kong, etc., I mentioned that they need to add Italy to the list given the recent developments . At this point, he casually mentioned that he just visited northern Italy LAST WEEK and that he wasn't feeling well today! Yet he came to work and accompanied me to the station as we walked in close proximity without bothering to inform me. People need to wake the fuck up! This shit is real

R364, it may in reality has a low mortality rate, but it's affecting the markets and supply chains like crazy. It might bring on a global recession. That's not "pretty much a nothingburger."

R354 Maybe you should now - ts a great time to buy!

R363 if you 29 year old doctors are getting and dying from it thats not "a nothing burger"

it's huge, even warren buffet said so on CNBC this morning.

And keep thinking that R364, young people have died. 29yr old, 34 yr old, 42 yr old doctors in China have died.

Maybe you have high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes and don't even know it...and you get this virus...goodbye to you. Let's face it, many americans can't even afford healthcare, do you think they get regular check ups and know what they have? so many young people vape too...their lungs are fucked.

Sorry that was meant fro r364

A neurotic frau I know was telling me to google about sulfurous hotspots seen from space from where China is incinerating the masses of coronavirus victims.

Does anyone know anything about this?

At this point, I am inclined to wave it off as being another Ebola or SARS panic, but you never know b

R371, that's silly. Video would have leaked by now. Forced creation is possible, however. But not mass pits. This isn't WW2.

R371 I heard about that - someone posted a satellite pic on twitter. Its' some sort of gas from burning the bodies. And there is a lot of it in Wuhan

It has been debunked R371. I don't remember the specifics but what was shown was just a meteorologic map and had nothing to do with sulfur.

r366 I agree about the economic impact, the point is just that the virus itself is not Captain Trips and the vast majority will survive just fine and a huge number of those will barely even be symptomatic.

I would remain very skeptical about the numbers from China and Iran, especially Iran -- they are deliberately attempting to panic the markets, and going by this thread, it seems to be working rather well for them.

Goodbye to you ....oh oh ohhhh

r338 look up Army Surplus on google. There's a mega store that sells them.

The Johns Hopkins CSSE Global Map of COVID-19 cases isn't functioning at the time of this post.

Who has a URL to an equal or better dashboard representation of the coronavirus spread map?

[quote]Dow goes negative for 2020. I'm very glad about this because I didn't have any money in the market.

Do you also rejoice at news that people are being tortured and killed, because they aren't you?

R379 calm down. The stock market nowadays mainly only effects the wealthy. Poor people don’t own stock.

R338, a friend of mine was also telling me they were delicious! She went to volunteer after some weather event in nyc and the organizers fed them these and she said they were yummy! She is quite hard to please as far as I know food wise...I'm gonna ask her again.

R380, what planet are you on? The stock market affects everyone.

R364 Seasonal flu is probably also a nothingburger for you, since it is usually only deadly for fragile and elderly people. It still kills about 50 000 people a year in the US. The coronavirus has been estimated to be twice as infectious and 10 or 20 times as deadly. And we don't know it it will go away around april like the seasonal flu does. It's true we can't really trust those numbers for the time being, but it has the potential to make a lot of damage.

"The stock market affects everyone."

Yes, my life is definitely worse today after the Dow dropped.

R359 At least one good thing to come out of this mess.

CNBC: Goldman Sachs lowered its U.S. growth outlook for the first quarter as the domestic economy takes a hit from the global outbreak. The bank slashed its U.S. GDP growth forecast to just 1.2% from 1.4%, seeing a more severe drag from the epidemic.

I just started taking Tumeric. Maybe that can help some if it hits the US

R387, check the source on your Tumeric. If it comes from Bangladesh it probably contains high levels of lead used for coloring. If you can't verify the quality of your source I'd probably pitch it.

[quote] R332: Kuwait confirms 3 coronavirus cases,

The Hajj this year will be awful due to its propensity for contagion. I don’t think they’ll cancel it because it’s religious and also political. I’m just guessing; here, but I’d bet that a cancellation would be used by Iran as another excuse to hate on them.

And they are all in such close contact as they pray, or circle the obelisk.

It starts July 28, so by then I think the disease will be widespread with governments still trying to contain it, so maybe they will indeed cancel it.

The Dow is down 1000 points today. If it springs back tomorrow, then the market isn’t ready for a correction. If it falls dramatically, like today, then this is the correction some of us have been anticipating. This is just based on my observations over the years, not a detailed market analysis.

[quote] R353: CNN-California city goes to court over possibility of housing coronavirus patients

Aren’t everybody, even the staff, quarantined? Seems like the town is taking hysteria to the next level.

Still praying that the coronavirus will tank Trump's "great" economy and re-election, but not any people.

Me too, R392. I’m 50% in cash and have been waiting for a correction. I was under-invested this last year when the Dow was up 25%, IIRC, which is exceptional. Oh well, you can’t time the market, they say.

Warren Buffett said to stay put, essentially. They always say that. If he said to sell, there would be chaos, lol.

R388 - it's Target Branded Tumeric. I just checked the bottle - it doesn't say where it comes from other than "Dist by Target Corp. MPLS, MN Target Brands"

I just bought it last week. It expires 9/21.

Is it safe?

It's actually helped me clear congestion (allergic rhinitis) and I've been feeling so much better after only 5 days of taking it.

last night it was 152, this morning it's 230 in Italy.

there is a line to get into supermarket.

R363, where does that video come from? I’d like to forward it on, but can’t for some reason. Tia!

Hey R364. Here's the thing about your nothingburger. If I were to be exposed to it, it may very well have little impact on me. In fact, I may not even come down with anything or may not show any symptoms at all. But my dad has COPD. I would like some reasonable assurance that I won't be exposed to someone who knowingly or unknowingly has it so that I don't pass it on to my dad. Unlike you apparently, some of us have family and friends that we are also concerned about.

For the person asking about N.Korea...I've only heard that they executed some guy who left quarantine...

^The supermarket video from Milan someone posted upthread looked fake though. It's unusuall that ALL shelves are empty. People buy noodles, bread, beans etc., but not ketchup, olives or other non-essential stuff.

R397 My father had COPD. He passed away last year. Official cause of death was ARDS. He also had congestive heart failure.

What is worrisome is this virus can really harm people with conditions such as COPD.

QuickTake by Bloomberg @QuickTake · 16h Stunned by Europe’s biggest surge of the #coronavirus, Italy appears to be operating in near panic mode.

R396, I found the video on twitter, I do not know if it's fake. I posted another video in R401. Supermarkets are making money big time!

Trump is worried.

I saw a report that those thermometers used at the airport are not very reliable. They vary a few degrees...

AFP news agency @AFP · 59m The new coronavirus has hit four more Middle Eastern states, with Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait and Oman reporting new cases and the UAE calling on its citizens not to travel to Iran and Thailand

AFP news agency @AFP #UPDATE Hong Kong will close its doors on Tuesday to all arrivals from South Korea except returning city residents in response to the growing #coronavirus outbreak, the territory's security chief said

R394, Target had a recall on lead-tainted Turmeric back in 2016. I'd assume it's safe now, but I don't really know.

[bold] 😷 Bettrr to OVERREACT than UNDERREACT.

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"NothingBurger?"

We're talking about a disease that is killing people worldwide........

How about talking a slightly more adult approach to what is fast becoming a global crisis?

Did you also believe Donald Trump when he said that your traumatic brain injury was "not that serious?"

CNN-Canada confirms 11th case of coronavirus

In a joint statement, Health Minister Adrian Dix and Dr. Bonnie Henry, health officer for British Columbia, said the affected person, a male in his 40s, was in close contact with a previously reported confirmed case.

“Both cases remain in isolation at home with support and monitoring from public health teams,” the statement said.

“Given the changing dynamics of the outbreak in China and globally, and recognizing we are in the midst of influenza season, we ask all travelers who are returning to B.C. — no matter where they were in the world — to monitor themselves and their children closely for symptoms,” the joint statement said. Adding, “the risk of spread of this virus within British Columbia continues to remain low at this time.”

In total, Canada has 11 total cases of confirmed coronavirus; four in Ontario and seven in British Columbia.

"We're talking about a disease that is killing people worldwide........"

Lots of things kill people worldwide. Lightning kills up to 24,000 people per year - far more than COVID-19 so far. It's all just a matter of relative concern. I'm not saying this disease won't be big - just that the standard for panic can't be "any" deaths in a world filled with billions.

Yes r412, That's the spirit !

It will eventually burn itself out and quietly walk away if we just ignore it. I'm sure King Corona is just looking for attention!

R413, your reading comprehension is terrible.

R398, North Korea closed its borders to China very early in Jan.

Was this the "Christmas present" Kim promised to Trump?

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Exactly how many billion deaths must we tally before we recognize Corona as a legitimate global threat, R412?

Unlike lightening, Corona does strike twice in the same location.

[quote]I wonder how North Korea is faring.

Everything hunky dunky here in Democratic People's Republic of Korea! No coronavirus here! We all immune! Yes! Immunity given to us by Great Father Kim Jong Un! Enjoy coughing and sneezing, capitalist dogs!

This same thing happened with the Ebola and SARS and the swine flu and there was another I forgot.

People are losing their damn minds.

MERS was the other one. It had a super high mortality rate.

Actually, since North Korea is so isolated from the rest of the world, it stands a better chance of remaining unscathed.

R412, you either get on the hysterical freak out train or get the hell out!

Hi guys. Just went to Walmart and Sams Club this am. Walmart is full to the brim with bags of flour and sugar, piled up to the ceiling of the shelf above. Half an aisle of nothing but bags of flour and sugar, the other half different types of brown sugar and sugar substitutes. The end caps were: 1. Spam and rice; 2. Pancake mix and syrup; 3. Pasta and jars of pasta sauce. Center aisle, full of pallets of extra stock. 1. Vinegar for cleaning, spray bottles and scrubbing sponges. Lots of Gatorade everywhere. Big bags of beans and rice in a store that usually carries 2 pound bags. Zatarains, Rice a Roni, various types of hot sauce, A lot of Rice a Roni. Hamburger helper.

Walmart #2. Same end caps as above. Somebody told them to do this.

Sams. Six different kinds of 25 and 50 lbs bags of rice. One entire wall of the store was half Individual sized bottles of water, the other half, Gatorade. Sodas another aisle, juices another aisle, lots of individually bottled one serving drinks. Lots of hot chocolate and Nesquick, they’re almost out of powdered lemonade. No powdered Gatorade anywhere. Canned six oz pineapple juice and orange juice. Pineapple juice in quart cans. Huge amounts of Zaterains and Rice a Roni. Pallets full.

If you remember, I posted several threads ago about working for a food manufacturer. Back then, in case of bird flu or other suspected pandemic, Homeland Security would brief supermarket execs about what to stock extra. Somebody is telling them to stock Gatorade, never seen so much in my life. Also, very little gallon water jugs, lots of little bottles. Tons of rice. For diarrhea maybe?

The little bottles of fruit juices everywhere, which I’ve never seen in such quantity in big warehouse stores, tell me they expect we may lose power at some point, or be unable to store our stock in our fridges. Lots of shelf stable drinks, and an excess of drinks period.

An elderly couple in front of me bought five packs of toilet paper (36 rolls each), 2 boxes of bleach (3 gallons a box), and Kleenex packs (about six boxes a pack I think). People are getting it.

Another thing I noticed, Sams club carrying brands they never carry. Rice brands usually found at Costco. Tons of glass bottles of Perrier at $14 a pack. Lots of other brands, a little bit of each. It’s like they’re trying to round up water from anywhere they can get it.

[quote]It's pretty much a nothingburger, folks.

Whether there is cause for alarm or not, you sound like a self-satisfied idiot.

Hey, R417, Thanks for demonstrating how dumb you panicky Chicken Littles are. And it's "lightning," not "lightening."

"And it's "lightning," not "lightening."

Unless you're me!

Body temperature is irrelevant anyway, R404, since people can be infected while remaining asymptomatic.

I think it's safer to assume that all numbers of infections and deaths are under reported. Nobody wants this shit in their countries. Not China, or Japan, or the west. It's bad for business and the economy overall. All countries want their citizens to believe that everything is under control to avoid mass panic. Nobody wants to be dragged out of their homes in China and put in metal boxes or in makeshift hospitals. Sure the number of new infections there are down but maybe some people are just waiting it out with high fevers, etc., behind closed doors. Taking their chances with home remedies and falsely reporting normal temps. Better to hope for the best but plan for the worst

What exactly is a "Nothingburger?"

Special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun?

CNN-Number of coronavirus cases in Italy increases to 229

There are now 229 confirmed cases of coronavirus in Italy, according to Italy's National Civil Protection Service.

Here's the breakdown of where those cases are:

172 confirmed cases of coronavirus in Lombardy

33 in Veneto

18 in Emilia-Romagna

3 in Piedmont

3 in Lazio

There are 101 hospitalized patients with symptoms and another 27 are in intensive care. At least 94 are in home isolation, officials said in a statement. Seven people have died from coronavirus in Italy.

CNN-World Health Organization team arrives in Italy

The team will “support Italian authorities in understanding the situation,” the WHO said in a statement. Their focus will be on “limiting further human-to-human transmission,” it said.

“WHO experts are providing support in the areas of clinical management, infection prevention and control, surveillance and risk communication," the statement said.The WHO said it is concerned over what it calls the “rapid” increase in reported cases in Italy.

“However, it should also be noted that based on current data, in the majority of cases (4 out of every 5) people experience mild or no symptoms,” it added.

The bulk of the cases — 167 of them — are in the northern region of Lombardy, whose capital is the city of Milan.

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Do they have free health care in Italy?

Yeah but it's run by Italians

You are likely to get the Coronavirus.

R423 is a prepper who is masturbating furiously while typing his CONCERN!!!!!!!

Didn't anyone hear me? We need leper colonies.

Poor Tammy is trapped in a 5* Hotel in Venice. I'm worried about her. Someone get her out of there.

Who else stocked up on tagemet, pepcid and benedryl to stave off a cytokine storm? Has it ever been determined as a cause of death?

Do they give you antibiotics for this?

R440 I would think Statins and Ibuprofen would be more helpful based on the literature.

Xenu cures the WuFlu.

Come on, R441, it's a coronavirus. It literally has "virus" in its name. No, we do not give antibiotics, unless you have a bacterial co-infection.

R441, no, it’s a virus. If you needed antibiotics, it would be because you got pneumonia as a complication.

R440, I think some people have gotten a cytokine storm. How many died from that cause I don’t know.

R433, Whenever you get back in, look at Costco, Walmart or Sam’s Club stock. Or Gatorade or some bottled water company They’re the only people making money off this. I bet even the rice companies are having a good run. Calrose rice is made in California, but I bet their plastic packaging bags are made in China.

Headed back to Sam’s tomorrow to finish my stock pile. Not happy about it. I started getting a lot of things in place over the last two weeks, but tomorrow will be the last day I feel comfortable waiting.

I firmly believe that an announcement of several dozen cases in any major city in the United States would create panic buying.

Also buying a bunch of seeds to start a garden in the spring. I do not think this will pass before the end of the year.

I work from home, and my parents & cousin live within a quarter-mile. It’s farmland, but used for hay for cattle. A couple acres for crops will be easy.

I’m a city boy at heart, and adjusting to “rural” living (I’m 20 minutes from 3 different small cities) hasn’t been too difficult, but at this juncture I’m certainly thrilled to be surrounded by people growing cattle and chickens!!!

I placed some ETF orders an hour ago. After reading the last few posts, I cancelled the orders.

The last I saw on Sky News, they have no clue why there have been so many cases in Italy so quickly. According to the NYTs there were less than five on Thursday, now there are over 200 cases. Anyone hear what might be the cause of such a large, sudden outbreak?

someone who is an expert on pandemics said that the Trump admin. is telling everyone to downplay this virus and not use word pandemic because it might spook the markets. This is probably why we are not getting info.

R446 overdoing it, no?

[quote]is telling everyone to downplay this virus and not use word pandemic because it might spook the markets.

They've already flat-out changed the definition of the word "pandemic".

I don't know exactly what the Corona is, but I do know that it's not a very good thing.

And when we come back, I'll show you how to make the most fabulous, stylish face masks that will easily set you apart from the crowd !

I take statins to lower my cholesterol level. So If I pop an ibuprofen with it, I'm immune?

What about me and the locusts swarming my native land?

They are destroying the food supply. And we never had much to begin with.

R326 Oh my Lord. 20-year lifespan! Only 5 are left.

R447, the last I heard, they could not find Patient Zero for Italy and several other countries, I think Iran was one. Whoever that person is, they likely infected their family and coworkers, and nobody knows where they are, riding the subway, working at a restaurant...? Typhoid Mary. They might not even be sick, especially if they’re young.

Here’s my preps: paid house taxes until August. Cat got all her shots and teeth cleaned. In good health. Got better house and car insurance that will save me money (State Farm). Next, getting my brakes done and paying a couple of bills a few months in advance.

My plan is to get as much maintenance done as I can, as soon as I can. Hopefully by the weekend. If these things are done, I don’t have to attend to them for months, if not a year. I’m trying to narrow down reasons to need to go out.

Nothingburger is my favorite new word.

First one I heard use use that word is one of Rump’s douche sons.

I got it from Hillary.

Nothingburger is a Trump favorite. I wouldn't use it except to mock the Trump crime family.

R456 - I’m a little concerned for your well being.. are you planning not to leave your home because you’re scared you’ll get the Coronavirus? And you’re already stocking up on food and prepaying bills?

Don’t forget to put gas in your cars.

R461, are you the person on this thread that’s having a hissy fit every time someone suggests buying food? If you’re that upset, maybe this isn’t the thread for you.

Cat maintenance has been scheduled for a year at this time. Taxes are due. Insurance is expiring in a month and the company I had before was awful. I’m really glad I switched.

I’m also having surgery in a few weeks, so no, I won’t be going anywhere I don’t have to go for several months. That’s been planned for months. So I’ve been stocking up on cat food and supplies for months. I’m not dragging myself out of bed to buy a can of cat food right after surgery. Or people food either. The last time I had emergency minor surgery, I had to do a lot of housework and shopping right after I got out of the hospital, and overdid it so much I nearly had to go back to the hospital again. I’m never doing that again.

Is that all right with you? Do I have your permission to live my life? Pretty please?

R454 I meant to say 20-year shelf life not lifespan.

R463 no I’m not “the person”having a hissy fit. I read your post and it was concerning...

I’m the one taking the Tumeric hoping that will help.. but now I’m researching about lead in Tumeric instead.

Sorry R461, there was a person on this subject about three threads ago who was literally mocking any person that posted that this might turn into a pandemic. They kept saying anybody who said that was crazy. And here we are.

What’s going on with lead in turmeric? I normally take that for arthritis and it’s very effective for that, but I can’t take it again until my surgery is over.

I saw this Australian documentary on Reddit and thought I'd pass it along.

R466 another poster unthread told me that if my Tumeric comes from Bangladesh it could have lead in it. I googled it and it’s true.

But Tumeric has anti viral properties, so I think it’s a good supplement - it’s helped me with my congestion (and allergic rhinitis) May help with Coronavirus too.

Just get the kind that doesn’t come from Bangladesh

I usually get the kind from Costco, which is a pretty good price. Don’t know where it’s from. I will check, thanks.

Don't buy your Turmeric from cheap stores like Target or Costco. Get a good brand like Thorne that does quality control.

Sorry, Sam’s Club. ^^ Check it out if you need some.

This company was recommended by somebody I know for spices generally. They say they test for lead.

I don't think Costco is going to have lead in their tumeric

R463, why don't you order cat food in bulk from Amazon ?

Once every 6 weeks I place an order for an elderly woman in Brooklyn for whom I am power of attorney.

I looked into buying life insurance but is a grand a year for $100,000 in coverage, and I don’t want to pay that much.

R449

If anything, I am under prepared when I look at the number of friends and family members that refused to prepare.

I started warning close family and friends two weeks ago that they needed to prepare for a major disruption to daily life, and stock up with shelf stable food accordingly.

Some of them have, most have rolled their eyes.

When shit hits the fan, it will break my heart to turn them away at gunpoint.

Half-rations, r476, half-rations!

Here are a few good breakfast food options. Some items are spendy, but interesting. The butter seems the most intriguing to me. This combination is great for camping if COVID-19 becomes a thing of the past. This cute lass has another intersting vid with other apocalyptic selections for your table, I'll post it next.

Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response:

As it improvises its way through a public health crisis, the United States has never been less prepared for a pandemic.

Here's Emmy again as promised with some additional provisions for your emergency pantry/larder. The cheese and the bread are hands down the winners. The dodgy little chicken has already made its debut here on the DL.

For years other countries have mocked Americans for their high obesity rates. Little did they realize that obesity is a survival strategy when a pandemic interrupts food supplies chains. (Yeah, that's the reason.)

How long can you live off your fat? Sciencefocus.com explains-

[quote] Even if you have lots of body fat left to burn, you can still starve to death if you don’t have enough muscle because vital muscles like the heart will have been weakened to the point where they stop working. For this reason, doctors normally consider 40 to 50 per cent weight loss as life-threatening, regardless of your initial body weight.

[quote] Total starvation is normally fatal in eight to 12 weeks. In less extreme cases, however, where you are still receiving some calories – particularly if these calories include a high proportion of protein – being fat will help you survive much longer, because your body will be able to meet the majority of your calorie requirements from stored fat.

R474, my cat is the original DLer. Turns up her nose at almost all cat food. None of it’s good enough for her. She’s so anorexic we have to fight to get the weight on, and they just discontinued her entire line of cat food, so I’m trying her on one food at a time. I’ve probably tried about fifteen kinds in the last couple weeks. I don’t think Amazon could find a solution for this.

OP here-

R481

I nominate you for the Datalounge medal of honor.

That valuable information will save tens of thousands of lives. OK, hundreds.

Fine. Four. Four lives.

3 bitter queens and a lesbian. But that solitary lesbian, using your advice, will survive and become a shining light, a beacon of hope, that leads to a world full of people minding their own business. Doing their own thing, not harming their fellow man, living life freely, keeping their own yard clean before worrying about the neighbors.

Although the origin of her story will be lost to history, in every surviving generation February 24th will be celebrated as the “Festival of Cheryl”.

Report claims two-thirds of global coronavirus cases have gone undetected

Procter & Gamble just warned of severe supply chain disruptions- better buy your soap now.

Yes, r200, the wealthy have their islands. But disease has a way.....

Everyone stocked up on their daily meds? My doctor is an asshole and only gave me 3 months supply. But it won't be life threatening if I don't take my meds. How do people prepare if they have a life threatening disease like diabetes or need HIV medication? Is anyone with asthma or heart disease already afraid of supply chain disruptions?

For your consideration:

CoronaVirus Freakout 7: Coming soon, a pandemic near you!

I vote for "Pandemic! At the Disco."

^Chill guys. We haven't even hit #500.

R489 I've been waiting for "Pandemic at the Disco" for 3 threads.

For the curcuma people, maybe try buying the fresh root if it's available? At least you're sure there is nothing else in it. You can let it air dry or dry it in the oven and just grind it whenever you need it.

Excuse me, this thread is about the Wuhan flu NOT coddling fragile egos of gays via the glory of naming threads. This was supposed to be a calm down thread, but has bloomed into a freakout thread, I CANNOT take any further off topic discussion y'all might have.

Rachel said that asshole Cuccinelli - who is tRump's coronavirus czar was posting on twitter on how to access the Johns Hopkin's web site! What a fucking moron!

From The Guardian:

"Closing borders, blanket travel bans and more extreme government policies will not stop the spread of coronavirus, according to the head of the World Travel and Tourism Council.

It comes as travel companies face huge economic losses amid fears about the virus. In the UK, the biggest faller in the FTSE 100 was EasyJet, which sank 16.7%, while Tui and British Airways owner IAG were both down by more than 9% at the close.

Gloria Guevara, president and chief executive of the World Travel and Tourism Council called for governments and authorities worldwide not to overreact with disproportionate measures in a bid to control Covid-19.

She said: “Governments and those in authority must not seek to choke travel and trade at this time. Closing borders, imposing blanket travel bans and implementing extreme policies are not the answer to stopping the spread of coronavirus.

“Past experience shows that taking such extreme action has been ineffective at best. We urge governments to explore fact-based measures which don’t affect the vast majority of people and businesses for whom travel is essential.”

As infection numbers continue to grow the World Health Organisation spokesman said on Tuesday that many countries have pandemic plans ready, and some may act on them depending on their situation but WHO itself does not plan “a big announcement.” He added that countries have to be prepared “literally knocking at every door”.

My comment: Gloria Guevara sounds like a completely stupid cunt. Whilst I think its a given that we are in the opening stages of a world flu pandemic travel bans and closing borders along with strict quarantining are the ONLY ways to help slow the spread of the virus and for countries to buy time to start preparing the the worst possible outcome - which is hospitals being swamped with really sick rates. If the disease can at least be slowed hospitals will have a better chance of dealing with serious cases but if they are swamped everyone is fucked.

CNN-Iran confirms more than 30 new cases, death toll rises to 15

The current number of confirmed cases across Iran is 95, while there are 15 confirmed deaths.

CNN-South Korea announces 11th novel coronavirus-linked death

The cause of death is still being investigated for the patient, a 35-year-old Mongolian man who reportedly had a pre-existing liver condition.

There are now nearly 1,000 confirmed cases of novel coronavirus in South Korea, after authorities there announced Tuesday that 114 more people were infected.

Of the total 977 cases, the highest concentration are in three locations, including 543 in the southern city of Daegu, 248 in North Gyeongsang Province and 43 in the port city of Busan.

Flights suspended and religious group self-isolating: All flights have been suspended to Daegu, the southern city where the initial outbreak occurred. Several countries and territories have announced restrictions on travel from South Korea, or new warnings for citizens traveling to the country.

cnn-Japan's pro soccer league postpones all matches until mid-March

Cases in Japan: Japan has confirmed 840 cases of novel coronavirus; nearly 700 of those are linked to the Diamond Princess cruise ship, which was docked in Yokohama for two weeks while under quarantine. Four people have died.

CNN-Coronavirus cases in Italy rise to 272

Another 40 coronavirus cases have been detected in Northern Italy since Monday evening, the Italian Civil Protection Department’s media office said Tuesday,

That brings the current number of cases across the country to 272.

The number of deaths due to coronavirus in Italy remains at seven -- six in Lombardy, and one in Veneto.

CNN-Italian PM points to "not entirely proper" hospital management for coronavirus spread

"Obviously we cannot predict the progress of the virus. It is clear that there has been an outbreak and it has spread from there," said Conte.

“There has been a management of the hospital not entirely proper according to prudent protocols which are recommended in these cases, and this has certainly contributed to the spread," he said of the hospital in northern Italy where the first case of coronavirus was confirmed.

Conte added: “we continue with the utmost caution and rigor and ensure maximum concentration night and day.”

Neither the hospital nor the town was named.

CNN- Number of cases in Italy jumps to 283

Of the cases, 212 are in Lombardy, 38 in Veneto, 23 in Emilia Romagna, three in Piedmont, three in Lazio, two in Tuscany, and one in Sicily.

The case recorded in Sicily is the first occurrence of coronavirus in southern Italy.

Out of the 283 total cases in Italy, seven patients have died, and one has recovered.

Austria and Croatia reported their first cases too today. OMG, we're all gonna die!

Iran's deputy HEALTH minister tests positive for coronavirus

I wonder if he gave it to all the top evil guys while briefing them...I never wish ill health on people, even Trump.

But I won't shed a tear...

Here is a video of him, he didn't look very good. Poor cunt next to him will be next to get it.

[quote]I’m also having surgery in a few weeks, so no, I won’t be going anywhere I don’t have to go for several months.

So you're prepping for a pandemic and then checking in to the place that's liable to be the epicenter of the pandemic in your area?

The Wall Street Journal @WSJ Drugmaker Moderna is delivering the first experimental vaccine against the coronavirus to U.S. government researchers for human testing. It’s a speedy turnaround, highlighting the potential of new technologies that enable quicker action against emerging outbreaks. #WSJWhatsNow

Noted virologist Rush Limbaugh weighs in on the coronavirus -- "It's the common cold, folks."

Who wants to be the fool that lets republican politicians in charge of the cdc put the first trials of the “vaccine” in you?

I miss Obama.

Who wants to be the fool that lets republican politicians in charge of the cdc put the first trials of the “vaccine” in you?

I miss Obama.

WaPo's Aaron Blake: Trump credits himself for containing coronoavirus in the U.S. by closing off the country to certain areas.

"It's never done before, and I did it early."

Coronavirus: Tenerife hotel with hundreds of guests locked down Up Next: Spain!

A hotel in Tenerife in Spain's Canary Islands has been locked down after a visiting Italian doctor tested positive for coronavirus.

Hundreds of guests at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace Hotel were initially told to stay in their rooms as medical tests were carried out, Spanish media report.

The doctor is reportedly from the Lombardy region, where Italian authorities are battling an outbreak.

POLITICO: Some officials worry that the U.S. is missing potential coronavirus infections of its own, especially as clusters of cases emerge in countries like Iran, prompting that nation's neighbors Turkey, Pakistan and Armenia to close their borders. The U.S. surveillance effort has been hampered by the failure of the health department’s tests, with public health labs on Monday asking for permission to use their own homegrown tests rather than wait on the CDC.

That's what I mean. What the fuck has CDC been doing all this time? It's been a fucking month! Did they make the tests kits yet?

We're doomed.

"It's never done before, and I did it early."

I'm so so fucking tired of this rhetoric. No Donald, it most certainly has been done before.

The African Elephant community is appalled to know of what's happening to the good people of China, who have always been so wonderfully kind to all God's creatures great and small. Ivory well mean what I've said.

I wonder if Rush Limbaugh is saying that because Trump or some government officials want him to. He’s stupid, but so is Tucker Carlson and he says whatever suits Trump.

About the Iranians, the interesting thing is a big part of their population is under thirty, but a big part of their government is really old guys. So I hope the Health Minister breathed on everyone he could. If the Iranians lost all their elderly top government officials, the country might look very different.

The line to buy masks in S. Korea

How much good would a mask do, anyway? I see people wearing them and they look thin and ineffectual. If they let air in, how does it keep a virus out?

Maybe it’s a layer of protection, what do I know? I’d think washing hands and keeping them away from your face is as important.

R517, it's more important for people who come in close contact with the infected (like medical staff). I walk past people who cough with their mouths open every day. Also if you're sick, maybe it prevents or decreases the chances of passing it to others.

Yes, washing hands is important. Don't forget to clean your surfaces with bleach...viruses can like on surfaces for up to 9 days.

I still don’t get how masks can keep the virus from getting out but not from getting in. Sounds like some kind of one way valve, but I don’t think that’s correct.

R494 Taking that advice is like trusting diabetes research sponsored by Coca-Cola. How stupid do they think we are?

For those using turmeric and concerned about lead, a simple test: get a small glass of water, and drop a quarter teaspoon of turmeric on it, wait five minutes. If the powder mostly just drops to the bottom and doesn't dye the water very much, just a little bit yellow, it's probably fine. If it dyes the water *bright* yellow, it's because there is added artificial colour that may indeed contain lead. So no-lead turmeric won't dye the water much, lead-containing will dye it bright yellow. There are youtube vids about it.

R463 I decided to talk with my mom this morning and suggested she stock up on groceries just in case. She’s a new widow. I moved in with her temporarily after my dad died to help her with the house. . I just want her to be prepared if anything happens.

My dad died last year. His official cause of death was ARDS. He had congestive heart failure and COPD. But I remember when the doctor told us he also now had ARDS rushing to google what it was. I had no idea. It was scarey. He was already on life support at that time. But if these viruses can now cause ARDS in people - that’s basically a death sentence.

She also just started working part time at a pharmacy...ugh .. she interacts with a lot of sick people picking up meds. I don’t know why but suddenly I’m uneasy about it.

Thanks for all the Tumeric posts. I’ll buy a higher quality Tumeric this time. I really like the stuff - plus it has anti viral properties which may help with avoiding Coronavirus - you never know.

I tried telling my mother yesterday to stock up on basics to cover at least a few weeks, and she just gave me a cockeyed look and changed the subject. She's a 70 year old smoker, she's fucked if she gets it, doesn't seem to care.

[quote]I wonder if Rush Limbaugh is saying that because Trump or some government officials want him to.

Someone with stage 4 lung cancer can't afford to take even what he calls the common cold so lightly.

Pandemic! @ the Disco is a great title.

R524 that’s hilarious. My moms a 70 year old non smoker BUT she looked at me like “sure, Jan” when I advised her to stock up. I then showed her pics of Italy’s super markets with bare shelves. She then agreed on getting some more canned goods lol

Pandemic! at the disco troll, just get in quick when the next thread is due to start and name the thread. Then PLEASE stop going on about it. It’s dull.

many of us have to take immune suppressors. My grandfather was the only one in his family of 11 that survived the pandemic of 1918...I hope I inherited his ability to bypass this thing

Are there any home remedies for treating a cytokine storm? Also, what medicines are you guys talking about when you mention stocking up? Aspirin? Ibuprofen?

How are you guys taking the turmeric? Are you using it to season food? What's the best way to ingest it?

Pills, Rose

r512 we don’t HAVE a CDC; Trump fired them all.

High calorie protein drinks are relatively expensive, but they don't have to be refrigerated if unopened. Boost, Ensure, etc.

I actually find tumeric works best when it's in food. I had a recurring inflammation problem and it only cleared up when I ate Indian food for one week straight. Look up Golden Milk.

All of my Immigrant Irish family survived 1918. I'm always the last one to get the flu or a cold. Hoping that plays out.

What's so fucking bad about dying?

You first.

Taking forever r537.

Thanks R535. Do you use turmeric powder or do chop up whole turmeric root?

*do YOU

“We live our lives with bated breath, in hopes of dying a painless death.”

I use the powder. The root is soooo expensive.

Survey says those of us on this thread are hyper aware. That could be a real advantage.

I went and bought the specific stuff that I don't like to do without, in case there's supply chain disruption : the only laundry detergent and soap my skin tolerates very well, my favorite coffee and my favorite soft drink. Bought a lot of each. Everything else I think I can adjust to even if it's not the usual stuff.

I must have three weeks worth of food if I don't mind eating the same stuff a lot. My freezer is full, pantry is reasonably stocked.

I'm trying to think about items I'd be REALLY sorry I didn't think of buying before the stores emptied. Any ideas ?

How many cases do we think will result from Mardi Gras in New Orleans?

R531- I just started taking it a week ago (not for Coronavirus, but who knows, it could help) I take it in pill form. They say it’s good to take it with black pepper.

It’s pretty amazing how well it’s worked so far for me - I have allergic rhinitis and Wow it’s like completely gone now!

Put the capsules up your butthole 3x a day, just like the garlic cloves.

NYT:

Coronavirus Live Updates: C.D.C. Warns Americans to Brace for Likely Outbreak

The MMWR's latest report

CNN-Only 12 US labs other than CDC have working coronavirus test kits

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is still working to make test kits for the novel coronavirus available to state and local labs. Some test kits initially sent out by CDC were flawed.

Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said there are currently only 12 state and local labs in the US that can test samples other than the CDC.

“I am frustrated, like I know many of you are, that we have had issues with our test. I want to assure you that we are working to modify the kit and hope to send out a new version to state and local jurisdictions soon," she said. "There are currently 12 states and localities around the US that can test samples – as well as we are testing at CDC. Four hundred samples were tested overnight, and there is no current backlog or delay for testing at CDC."

She added that commercial labs will "be coming online soon with their own tests."

"This will allow the greatest number of tests to happen closer to where potential cases are,” Messonnier said.

Trump, doing what he does best (from CNBC)

[quote] Trump sows confusion in discussing vaccine

[quote] President Donald Trump told reporters that “we’re very close to a vaccine” while answering questions about the COVID-19 outbreak during a state visit to India, prompting outlets from the Jerusalem Post to the New York Post to write that Trump said the U.S. was close to finding a vaccine for the deadly new coronavirus. The White House later said Trump was referring to the Ebola vaccine— not the coronavirus. —Breuninger

Only 3 U.S. states can currently test for coronavirus. The CDC sent testing kits out to states & at least 30 countries last week, but the tests produced “inconclusive” results due to a flawed component.

FUCKING CUNTS ARE USELESS! WE ARE DOOMED WITH THESE CUNTS! THE HEAD OF CDC HAS TO BE FIRED. It's been over a month and they can't even come up with a fucking proper test kit! WTF are our tax dollars doing?!

California, Nebraska and Illinois are the only U.S. states that can currently test for coronavirus, the Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL) told Reuters on Friday.

“We are asking the American public to work with us to prepare for the expectation that this could be bad,” a top CDC officials told reporters in a conference call outlining what schools and businesses will likely need to do if the COVID-19 virus starts to spread throughout the U.S.

Schools should consider dividing students into smaller groups or close and use “internet-based teleschooling,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters on a conference call.

“For adults, businesses can replace in-person meetings with video or telephone conferences and increase teleworking options,” Messonnier said.

She said local communities and cities may need to “modify, postpone or cancel mass gatherings.” Hospitals may need to triage patients differently, add more telehealth services and delay elective surgery, she said.

“Now is the time for businesses, hospitals, communities, schools and everyday people to begin preparing,” she said.

First cases in Austria, Croatia, Switzerland. Two more cases in France and Spain... About 300 total in Italy and 4 more deaths. This is not looking good for Europe.

Why only now, r554?

Shouldn’t they have done that a month ago. Or two months ago?

We’ve known about this for a while.

You might want to stock up on Acetaminophen (tylenol) USA gets 74% from China, USA gets 95% of Ibuprofen from China, 80% of antibiotics from China.

I'm buying Ibuprofen.

Maybe my idiot boss will finally let me telecommute now!

CNN-France confirms 2 new cases of coronavirus

Two more people in France have been diagnosed with coronavirus, according to Jérôme Salomon, general director of Health.

"We have two new cases tonight. Case No. 13 is the case of a young Chinese woman who returned from China on February 7 and was hospitalized in Paris. Case No. 14 is a French man returning from Lombardy; he's being hospitalized in Auvergne Rhône Alpes," Salomon said.

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France didn't ban visitors from China? Feb 7 and now it's feb 25, that's longer than 2 wks incubation period!

Thanks R557. Aleve tends to work best for me (more so than ibuprofen) so I just purchased a 270-capsule packet of them.

Anyone here take elderberry syrup? I've been taking about four servings of it daily since I go to the gym everyday (i.e. regularly exposed to other people huffing and puffing) since it has known anti-viral properties. It tastes really good so it's not difficult to ingest.

R560, I heard that stat on CNBC while the host was interviewing Larry Kudlow

R561, I've not been taking it. I've seen at the stores. I'm glad it's working out for you!

CNN- Coronavirus death toll in Italy rises to 11

The victim is a 76-year-old Treviso woman who was being treated in a hospital, Italian Civil Protection press officer Juri Pittaluga said.

[quote]Schools should consider...closing and use “internet-based teleschooling,”

What?

And what are working parents supposed to do if all the schools close?

CNBC says China’s GDP will be 0 this quarter and negative next quarter. They’re the world’s second largest economy and their growth up to now has been a major driver of the world’s economy.

Commentators are getting nervous about this. Dow is down 800+ points on top of yesterday’s 1000+ point drop.

Drug shortages imminent?

The rethugs blocked Merrick Garland so basically Cav and Goush are both illegitimate.

I’ve been unemployed for a year. Had a very promising interview last week, but I’m worried the fears of slowing economy because of the pandemic may cause prospective employers to freeze any hiring for now 😞

R559 The French are selfish cunts, they're not going to close the border with Italy or cancel mass gatherings because they think doing anything at all about it would be "meaningless." So of course its going to spread faster into France which means more people with it taking the train to England.

omg this HHS guy (Azar, HHS Sec.) giving this news conference is talking about how great Trump’s response to this virus has been.

He has his toadies planted everywhere in the govt.

Salutations guys. I just got back from Costco and you'll be happy to know I have bad news to report.

I donned my gloves and grabbed a cart after sanitizing it with Sani-Wipes I pilfered from the nursing home before I was fired from my CNA job for being smarter than my supervisors.

As I walked through the doors, I flashed my card to the demoralized credential verifier who shooed me past with a half-hearted flick of the wrist, avoiding eye contact through my Frozen 2 swim goggles, the last pair they had at Dollar Tree.

Upon passing through the large entry, I noticed that things were a little different. To my left were massive 4k television sets, all displaying bucolic scenes of lavender fields and sea turtles, which alarmed me as I immediately recognized it as Neurooptical Programming (aka "brainwashing" for the idiots who don't know), designed to keep the shoppers docile. I knew then that Costco had been visited upon by the CDC's PsyOps unit.

To avoid the propaganda, I averted my eyes to the right where there was pallet after pallet of merchandise that was supposedly "in the mailer" but the sizes and quantities of the merchandise were too excessive not to be intended for the coming plague. There were giant boxes of Clif Bars, huge tubs of extra virgin coconut oil (presumably to be used as heating fuel), an entire half-table of robes (for the dying). Perhaps most alarming was the vitamin and supplement section which was full of large bottles of vitamins and supplements.

Everybody has lead in their tumeric.

No matter what a company claims, you don't know where it really came from. Probably shipped in from our friends in China.

Save your energy, we're all screwed.

Save your energy, we're all screwed.

You can easily grow your own turmeric; it's just like ginger. Put it in an aluminum-free fair trade casserole dish of moistened, organic soil that has been sustainably-collected by a womyns co-op. Unless you're retarded you should already be growing your own mushrooms for vitamin D during The Quarantine, anyway.

CNBC:

Dow closes down nearly 900 points as coronavirus fears rise

From the Washington Post

[quote]A faulty CDC coronavirus test delays monitoring of disease’s spread

[quote] Experts fear the small number of U.S. covid-19 cases reflects limited testing rather than a lack of infections.

On the same front page,

[quote] As stocks plunge, White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow says U.S. has coronavirus ‘contained’

Lies!! Lies!!

With the way people are dropping like flies in Italy, Iran and South Korea relative to the number of confirmed infections , the truth is finally starting to emerge. This virus seems to be way more deadly than China led the world to believe with their questionable reporting. It also helps to explain the full lockdown of massive cities and overnight construction of hospitals to deal with the crisis. WHO is a joke. The CDC is not prepared to handle this. With ongoing travel from infected areas to non infected areas, it's just a matter of time now. We are truly fucked !

I think this was posted in one of the other threads but for anyone wondering about the integrity of the CDC, there are 700 job vacancies.

How timely this version of The Stand will be!

Never mind, I just noticed that article is from 2017.

Has anyone else found data on the CDC cuts?

Mayhap it is, mayhap it ain't.

R572 in two weeks: Brother, Can You Spare A Clorox Wet Wipe?

Cheeto fired the NSC and DHS teams of infectious disease researchers. He has gutted the CDC they went from working with 49 countries to 10. He is gonna own this shit. Fucking asshole.

People aren't "dropping like flies" you goddamn MARY! R580

Does no one realize how many people die per fucking day in this world? I swear~!!!!

The most surprising thing I've learned from this WuFlu nonsense is that cruise ships have morgues on board for all the people that die on them.

R583, I’ve read recently that there were a couple of important positions Trump hasn’t filled after they resigned, but I don’t know who they are. I think it had to do with a bunch of people resigning in disgust after Trump started telling them to tow the party line about a year or two ago, I can’t remember the issue though. It wasn’t this.

If anyone has that auto updated world map re CV, then please add it to the top of the next thread. Tia.

This is literally nothing. Unless you're old or a smoker you're going to survive this. People stressing themselves out over this will die more from the stress than the virus itself.

R580, I don’t think China themselves know what the real number is. Between cremations, doctors reporting Coronavirus deaths as pneumonia, and now I’ve read recently that some people are going straight from their home to be cremated, with no hospitalization in between, so presumably they can put anything they want as cause of death, probably pneumonia.

Then they keep changing how they decide to report it, from not reporting asymptomatic cases, to reporting them, then the toll skyrocketed in one day, then they got alarmed about that and went back to not reporting a bunch of people because it looked so bad.

Who knows how many died? “A bunch” is all we know.

CNN-There are no current medical product shortages due to coronavirus, FDA says

While the US Food and Drug is not aware of any shortages of medical products being reported in the United States, it is monitoring some that could be at risk, FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn told reporters Tuesday.

"FDA is keenly aware that the outbreak will likely affect the medical product supply chain, including potential disruptions to suppliers [and] shortages of critical medical products in the US," Hahn said.

In particular, the FDA is keeping its eye on personal protective equipment such as face masks and gowns used by health care workers. The agency is proactively reaching out to hundreds of manufacturers of medical products for information related to these concerns, Hahn said. '

More on this: US Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said some of the $2.5 billion requested funds would be used to purchase personal protection equipment for the national stockpile. On Tuesday morning, Azar told a Senate Appropriations subcommittee there are 30 million N95 respirators in the Strategic National Stockpile, and the US would need about 10 times that for health care workers.

Hahn also said that the agency is postponing roughly 100 scheduled inspections in China over February and March — mostly routine surveillance inspections meant to ensure that medical products produced in China meet the standards for entering the US marketplace. But he said these can happen at any time during the year, and the agency is moving things around so they can stay on schedule when it comes to planned inspections for the year.

CNN-Number of coronavirus cases in Kuwait rises to 9, state news reports

The Kuwaiti health ministry confirmed a woman has tested positive for coronavirus after returning from Iran, according to state news KUNA.

The grim economic warnings and situation in Italy has spooked the markets. We are one major cluster away from a collapse

SOMEBODY MAKE A NEW THREAD

cnn-First case of coronavirus reported in Switzerland

A 70-year-old man is the first person to test positive for coronavirus in Switzerland, the country’s Federal Office of Public Health (FOPH) told CNN.

The Swiss man from the canton of Ticino, a region which borders Italy, had been to Lombardy, Italy, in mid-February.

He has been hospitalized, where he's “under isolation and in good health so far," a FOPH spokesperson said.

cnn-First case of coronavirus reported in Switzerland

A 70-year-old man is the first person to test positive for coronavirus in Switzerland, the country’s Federal Office of Public Health (FOPH) told CNN.

The Swiss man from the canton of Ticino, a region which borders Italy, had been to Lombardy, Italy, in mid-February.

He has been hospitalized, where he's “under isolation and in good health so far," a FOPH spokesperson said.

those trapped in that hotel in Spain is cruise ship 2.0. They are gonna see cases spike! Spain is fucked!

USA is gonna be fucked due to no visa requirements from many of these European countries. Visa Waiver program. They can hop on a plane and infect use all.

those trapped in that hotel in Spain is cruise ship 2.0. They are gonna see cases spike! Spain is fucked!

USA is gonna be fucked due to no visa requirements from many of these European countries. Visa Waiver program. They can hop on a plane and infect use all.

And it's closed.

Link to new thread.

[quote]This is literally nothing. Unless you're old or a smoker you're going to survive this. People stressing themselves out over this will die more from the stress than the virus itself.

r590 - NEWSFLASH - CoronaVirus has been killing perfectly healthy 30 year old physicians and other medical professionals in China.

What about St. Patrick's Day Parade?

DO NOT buy elderberry, read r20, it supercharge cytokine storm.