Coronavirus Freakout 8: REVENGE OF THE PANGOLIN

Link to previous thread #7

OP - I thought someone wanted Diet Coke in the new thread title?

I swear it was in one of these threads that suggested an experimental treatment for cytokine storm. It involves nicotine gum. Was that here?

R2: You wanna pick the title, start the thread. Whoever does the task gets the final choice.

Then you lazy whores better make a thread before this thread reaches 600 posts and entitle however you want

You did just fine, OP. Thank you.

Thanks for taking up the mantle, OP.

I fucking LOVE the title, OP.

Good title, OP. And I’m the one who suggested that Diet Coke be incorporated in it.

14 new cases reported in Germany today. Yikes.

Oops, here’s the link:

Whoever claimed in the last thread that we are approaching housing-crisis levels of stock collapse but it’s no where even remotely close to that at this point.

Bring back the links!

R3

I heard quinine can help.

Has there been any announcements or instructions for places like gas stations, office buildings and retail to CLEAN AND SANITIZE their public spaces?

What about trains, Ubers, etc...

WE NEED TO SEE PEOPLE CLEANING AND SANITIZING PUBLIC SPACES!! OWNERS NEED TO SPEND THE OVERHEAD TO CLEAN UP THEIR FILTHY PUBLIC SPACES!!!

California is in trouble...

Will high school and college wrestling matches be cancelled for the forseeable future? Those mats are crawling with germs, you know.

France just announced they now have 38 patients testing positive for CV, up from 18 yesterday. Two of those patients are in serious condition.

I heard Chloroquine might help but I also read that for each new disease they said the most promising things about it and it often turns into a dud.

Hi Tom, r15.

I'm on it, r13. You sure are a doozy.

R586 of the previous thread, if you get a Sams Club executive card, or whatever they call it, doors open at 7:00 am. Doors open for regular cardholders at 10:00 am.

I went over there this morning with my regular card at 9:30 am, planning to upgrade my card. There was an older man guarding the door and he let everybody in, saying don’t go to the cash register until 10:00 am and you’ll be good. Store was mostly empty, lots of stock. At 10:00 the herd came in. I’m going to upgrade my card.

At 9:30 the parking lot was already half full, but I didn’t have to walk a mile to get in, which was nice.

They also have 4 gallon bottles of water at Sams. They’re not always in the water aisle. I found them in office supplies. They only weigh 32 lbs, so it’s manageable if a five gallon bottle is too heavy for you.

So I have been having chest pains while breathing due to having an auto immune induced pleurisy episode. This happens a few times a year for me, so I know the signs. I called my doctor to get a round of prednisone. While I was talking to him, he proceeds to ask me if I had been to or have had contact with anyone who went over seas. He then tells me that if I should get a fever or have trouble breathing to not go to the ER, but call him and he will send someone over to test me. This is in Dallas BTW.

Bleach kills everything. Nothing can survive.

We need to see these cheapskate store owners spend some money and clean their dumps.

Filthy public spaces will spread this around 10000x

We are all Karen now. Insist the management is constantly cleaning places everywhere you go.

It’s an inexpensive way to keep the numbers down.

As the stock market continues to tank, 10-year Treasury yields (interest rates) have reached an all-time low. Mortgage rates are pegged to this. It’s a good time to think about refinancing your mortgage if your existing rate is 5% or higher.

I really hope that a bunch of filthy gas stations with their sticky floors and decrepit hotels close down and go out of business.

Who needs to be in neglected environments during a pandemic?

Ash Wednesday Mass live streamed from one of the Italian locked down towns. Featuing old priest, old sacrestan and a rather grown up alter boy.

R16 Chloroquine Phosphate is an older class of anti-malarial meds that really isn't used much to treat malaria anymore due to overuse and development of resistance against it. However there's evidence from studies in China showing efficacy in treating patients with COVID-19 pneumonia. It's also contraindicated in patients with poor renal function or kidney disease due to the medication being excreted in the kidneys.

Keep the alarmist news coming! I'm peering out fearfully through my curtains with nothing else to do.

I was at the grocery store earlier and asked the clerk if they had seen an uptick in customers, they hadn't.

WE’RE ALL GONNA DIIIIIIE!

Good do-it-yourself instruction on YouTube for cutting your own hair, guys. You don't want to be going to barbershops during these iffy times. Bug central. Buy some clippers, skippers.

Just unloaded sixteen crates of canned franks and beans!! Going to board up the doors and windows next!!!

See you in September!!!!

Was at Sam's Club two times this week. Dead. Pallets stocked to the ceiling. No rush whatsoever. The weekend will be busy though I'm guessing.

We're in good hands...

Part of the reason for people supposedly testing negative then positive may not have to do with incubation period at all. We have to consider the fact that the tests that most countries are using have a relatively low sensitivity rate comparable to the RIDTs (rapid flu test). So far as we know, the SARS-CoV-2 is estimated to have a sensitivity rate of 70-75%, meaning it can have an error rate (false positive or negative) of around 25%. Couple that with the fact that these rapid assay tests are highly dependent on samples being tested. It means that sometimes when we swab your nasal or oropharyngeal passages for cells, we sometimes either don't get enough cells or we get cells that don't contain pathogenic RNA fragments.

I'm more concerned about the situation in South Korea and how that plays out because it's an advance nation with good healthcare infrastructure and people are generally adherent to public health policies. What's going on there is an epidemic that's that started out as cluster cases, but then it spread out further into the community via what's known as super-spreaders. Anyways, something to keep closer eyes on in the upcoming days, same situation in Italy where there's less stringent border control than South Korea.

what an idiot

The Trump administration says the coronavirus vaccine might not be affordable for all Americans

The thread title sucks dick.

Is anyone here stocking up on items delivered by Amazon Prime? Are the warehouses buzzing?

I'm thinking about ordering toilet paper and baby wipes (when the waterworks workers all die) from Amazon, so I don't have to breathe anyone else's germs in line at Sam's or Walmart.

I wouldn't talk like that if I were you, R35.

I posted in another thread that LAX is being disinfected every hour, according to CNN

CNN-California is monitoring more than 8,400 people who traveled from places "of concern"

California Gov. Gavin Newsom said today that the state is taking necessary precautions with people who traveled recently due to the coronavirus outbreak.

“We have a number of other flights including the most recent at Travis AFB in Solano County. Over 800 people have come in on those flights, but that’s a small part of the overall picture. Thousands and thousands of other people have come in on more traditional flights through the state of CA. Some 8,400-plus are currently being monitored with 49 local jurisdictions doing those protocols and monitoring as it relates to more traditional commercial flights that came in from points of concern and potential points of contact particularly in Asia," Newsom said.

Dr. Sonia Angell, a California Department of Public Health Director and State Health officer, said of a Solano County resident who tested positive for novel coronavirus, “This case marks a turning point."

The patient, who officials referred to as a “she” or “her” in a press conference this morning, said she is now in care in Sacramento County and has no travel history and no known exposure to coronavirus.

CA is so fucked! and we get all our veggies and fruits from CA! WTF are we gonna eat now?

Well, we finally have coronavirus here in my humble little burg. Surprisingly, it didn't come up from Lombardy, but from some dude who went on a pilgrimage to Iran.

LAME.

It's been reported that the woman in California is getting worse.

Cabbage, beans and hard-boiled eggs?

What about at your offices? Are office managers having the place cleaned from top to bottom?

Well?

Yes, we're in good hands....

Trump Thinks Mike Pence Can Save Us From Coronavirus

Many places like whole foods and home depot have purell wipes at entrances, just take one and use it on my phone, ipods etc. I take one as I leave and use that to open the doors, 2 birds with one stone, cleansing the door handle at the same time.

Pardon my ignorance, but what actually kills the victims? Do their lungs fill up with fluid? Do their organs shut down? Does an uncontrollable fever boil their brain? Is it sepsis? What’s the actual... mechanism?

Regarding the Californian patient with SARS-CoV-2( virus) who subsequently developed COVID-19 (illness) without having traced to travel or contact with infected individuals, he/ she is from Solano County which isn't very far from Travis Air Force Base. So that should be of interest too, it wouldn't surprise me to have more cases around that area. The patient was transferred to UC Davis from another nearby hospital, and the patient at time of transfer was already intubated and on droplet precautions since it was then still undetermined viral illness at that point. It took days for the staff to get CDC permission to test for the virus. During this time, the patient was only put on droplet, not airborne, precautions as we'd do for say, measles patient. Since the patient was intubated, the RNs in the ICU caring for him/ her were potentially exposed to aerosolized virus when they were doing endotracheal suctioning. Endotracheal suctioning can potentially aerosolize droplets, and this is why the RNs who directly provided care for the patient are now under quarantine at home. I hope UC is paying them for missed shifts and I don't mean they should use their sick time or vacation either. I think the hospital should have taken extra step of precautions and the CDC should have allowed testing earlier.

CNN-Can household cleaning products kill coronavirus?

Household disinfectants are thought to be effective against the novel coronavirus. Cleaning products like Lysol and Clorox list the human coronavirus as one of the 99.9% of bacteria it can kill.

However, it's important to note that human coronaviruses are different than the novel coronavirus we are seeing now. This is a new virus and there are no vaccines or antiviral treatments that specifically target it.

Lysol's products have been proven effective in protecting against the other human coronaviruses — so they're thought to be effective against the novel coronavirus, too, said Saskia Popescu, a senior infection prevention epidemiologist in Phoenix, Arizona.

Read The Stand, r47.

according to WHO website: Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death. R47

Good news for people with COPD, allergies, asthma and those who otherwise smoke:

Clinical characteristics of 140 patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China

(...)

Results : Asthma or other allergic diseases were not reported by any of the patients. Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD, 1.4%) patients and current smokers (1.4%) were rare.

(...)

Conclusion: Detailed clinical investigation of 140 hospitalized COVID-19 cases suggests eosinopenia together with lymphopenia may be a potential indicator for diagnosis. Allergic diseases, asthma, and COPD are not risk factors for SARS-CoV-2 infection. Older age, high number of comorbidities, and more prominent laboratory abnormalities were associated with severe patients.

R51 IS NOT an answer to r47.

Datalounge is the only website where I see this insidious phenomenon.

Posters will go on and on giving an answer TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT QUESTION TO THE ONE YOU ASKED.

DRIVES ME CRAZY!!!

R47 is actually an excellent question. Anyone know the correct answer?

I was wondering this too.

i’m guessing they stopped breathing is what kills them.

So they die of pneumonia?

R53, There are a few know-it-alls (or maybe just one prolific poster who needs to take a break and a shower) in this thread, and if they can't answer your question they'll just throw a whole buncha words at you in the hopes you'll be so bowled over by their googligence that you'll forget what your question was.

R53, There are a few know-it-alls (or maybe just one prolific poster who needs to take a break and a shower) in this thread, and if they can't answer your question they'll just throw a whole buncha words at you in the hopes you'll be so bowled over by their googligence that you'll forget what your question was.

How about you calm down instead of stomping your feet like children DEMANDING answers ? Jesus Christ

"The WHO has said most deaths so far appear to be from multi-organ failure"

But Furuya says that this immune system response to this invader can also destroy lung tissue and cause inflammation. The end result can be pneumonia. That means the air sacs in the lungs become inflamed and filled with fluid, making it harder to breathe.

Del Rio says that these symptoms can also make it harder for the lungs to get oxygen to your blood, potentially triggering a cascade of problems. "The lack of oxygen leads to more inflammation, more problems in the body. Organs need oxygen to function, right? So when you don't have oxygen there, then your liver dies and your kidney dies," he says.

That's what seems to be happening in the most severe cases. About 3% to 5% of patients end up in intensive care, according to the WHO. And many hospitalized patients require supplemental oxygen. In extreme cases, they need mechanical ventilation — including the use of a sophisticated technology known as ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation), which basically acts as the patient's lungs, adding oxygen to their blood and removing carbon dioxide. The technology "allows us to save more severe patients," Dr. Sylvie Briand, director of the WHO's pandemic and epidemic diseases department, said at a press conference Monday.

I live in Europe. Several of my 35 and younger co-workers have future ski trips or holidays planned for France, Northern Italy, etc., in the coming weeks. When discussing the crisis, most of them said that they have no plans to cancel their trips because most of the people who are dying from the virus are older people and that they will be probably be ok even if they get it. Several posters on this website have said the same. When I asked if any of them had parents, grandparents, aunt's or uncles over 70 most of them said yes. They were simply unable to understand that their ski trip might have consequences for their own families or for the families of their friends or neighbors This is the world we live in now. Self absorbed, narcissistic, with no true concern for those around them, even within their own families. This is why I have little hope that the crisis will be contained. Most people will not make sacrifices for the greater good. They will continue to do what they want to do when they want to do it regardless of the consequences.

Whew, R60, glad I read all the way to the end. For a second I thought you were trying have a reasonable reaction.

The thread title is meaningless without a full explanation.

I voted for Saturday Night Fever.

The Next thread title should be "Stayin' Alive"

First case in the Netherlands reported, in the town of Tilburg near the Belgian border. The patient had just come back from Italy.

R47 and R54 I think you need to take a deep breath and not feed into anxiety by reading too much on "facts" perpetuated here and on other websites. What is gained by knowing the gory sequelae of MODS (multiple organ dysfunction syndrome) or sepsis? As someone who has taken care of patients who subsequently died from sepsis and other severe complications of illnesses, you don't want to know the details of how they die. I'll tell you one case that I'll always remember. We once tried to do CPR on a patient with DIC from severe sepsis, a 19-year-old cancer patient. Let's just say that after it was finished, we had blood on the ceilings and walls and it looked like a scene out of a slasher movie. Not pretty. I wasn't queasy about such things and I'd seen worse. But that patient was someone that I'd bonded with and he shared many things about his life with me in the time that I'd known him. I couldn't regulate that part of being a bedside ICU nurse as well as others. So it wasn't the gory details that you'd like to know about, but the human side of things that really affect many of us. But I do understand the public fascination with what really happens in that scenario. From a psych perspective it's often the unknown that's worse than what we do know, so I get it. But still think it's good to step back and not get too engaged in thinking these kind of things. Anyways, much respect for RNs who could do that for entire career. I work in the clinics now in primary care and psych as DNP. As for anxiety about being in the front lines in times to come, IDK, we all work from an evidence-based perspective and we take proper precautions as we see fit. I'm not freaked out about it the same ways that I see some posters here are. Concerned but not freaking out.

Thank you, r59. I could have googled it myself, but I am a lazy whore. Sincere thanks.

I agree,I also voted for Saturday Night Fever. Yes I know if you start the thread you get to name it but some of us actually have real things to do in the real world and can't babysit you retards all day.

The thread title sucks, even for a bunch of dorks who probably play Dungeons and Dragons by themselves and stink like ass and unshampooed hair, you'd have thought even they could do better.

R47 I think what kills them is ARDS - a complication of the illness.

My dad died of ARDS (that was his official reason of death) last year. Its a very rare and deadly complication. He had congestive heart failure, was doing well but then aspirated overnight at the hospital. Was then put on life support and deteriorated from there. Ended up with sepsis, ogilvie syndrome, then all his organs shut down - he then developed ARDS.

This thread title would still be useless with a full explanation AND pictures.

r66 eats bloody stools.

In part 9, could we get a Pence related title?

Like, ‘Pray the WuFlu Away’ or ‘Papa Don’t Preach... I’ve Contracted Coronavirus’ or again I’ll suggest & even more fitting this time ‘Mother, May I Sleep With the Chinese Delivery Man?’

And thanks to you, r64. Good lord, why would anyone do CPR on a cancer patient who’s dying of sepsis? Thanks for the reminder to put my DNR in writing. I’m sorry for your loss, though.

You boil poor pangolins alive after tearing them away from their families: you die, rightfully so.

What do Mongolians have to do with the Corona Virus?

Down down 1000 points.

Big drop in the Dow in the last few minutes of trade. Currently down over 1,100 points after cycling up and down around -500 points all day. Yikes.

The cluster in Italy was the game changer. Every hour, more and more cases are popping up in Europe from people returning from holiday there. Undoubtedly, many others around them have also been infected as no precautions were in place for Italy prior to the flare up that started late last week. It was completely unexpected Most certainly some of these infected westerners have boarded plans to far off places including the US. And so it begins....

It's nature's punishment. We abuse animals, we die.

we will no longer be able to hear from health officials unless Pence approves it first.

Eat my pangolin pussy r68

Why!? R79

r33 Some South Korea's hospitals are great...in the cities. But I lived there for 10 years, and outside the cities medical care is decidedly third world. I had a friend who's catheter was running through a waste bucket .

The general thinking can also be backwards. For example, every year every foreign teacher had to have an HIV test - even if we hadn't left the country. The reason? There is no 'AIDs' in Korea, therefore it is the foreigners bringing it in as if we automatically develop it through our foreign-ness.

When in Gangnam at a well-renowned dentist, I got up and left as she was working on three patients at the same time and not changing her gloves between each of us.

R78, do you have a link?

r49 - I bought 2 bottles of tea tree oil. I used it a lot to clean, disinfect when I lived in Australia. Smells strong but cleans and feels clean and fresh when used in bathrooms and kitchens.

r82 Nicole Wallace announced it on MSNBC

As an American, it's a pity that I have about as much faith in the US reporting/handling of this crisis as I do in Iran. Trump laid his cards on the table last night. As he said the threat for Americans is "very low", he and his cohorts will do everything in their power to downplay, misrepresent, delay, block and flat out lie to make this so. I truly believe thar he is willing to sacrifice thousands of American lives to save face, steady the markets and to keep his job. Pure evil. Fortunately, we have better information coming from places like Europe

Trader Joe’s pulled their tea tree oil soap about a year ago.

I never understood why.

This may be what R78 was referring to. From the NYT:

The White House moved on Thursday to tighten control of coronavirus messaging by government health officials and scientists, directing them to coordinate all statements and public appearance with the office of Vice President Mike Pence, according to several officials familiar with the new approach.

Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, one of the country’s leading experts on viruses and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases, told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without clearance.

It wasn’t just the stock market crashing, it was those that five minutes today that has be worried. Not a finance guy here but I have never seen it go down in a straight line like that. All up until the close. It was a legit free fall.

R87 I hope the scientists IGNORE that STUPID order.

The republicans are going to get us all killed.

From CNN. The horse is most definitely out of the barn

More cases in Italy — and beyond: At least 650 people have tested positive for coronavirus in Italy, officials said. Across Europe, at least 11 countries now have confirmed cases of coronavirus, some of which have been traced back to the Italy outbreak.

Trump administration cancels $8B health care grant for New York: Cuomo

R78’s News is the most frightening thing about this.

1. Trump deliberately put Pence in charge of censoring all news. He wasn’t put there to help, but to shut everyone up. That’s why that official said yesterday he was “delighted” to have Pence’s attention, because it would help. He didn’t know Pence’s whole job was to shut him up, and nothing else.

2. Trump did it because HHS or CDC briefed him and told him something so bad, he thought the only thing to do was censor it. And it was so obviously bad, even dummy Trump could understand it, no matter how much he pretends all is well. And he knew it would kill the stock market, which is all he cares about.

3. He knew this two days ago.

4. Insiders trading know it too. It just got out. Someone leaked it. Probably somebody that’s pissed off at HHS. What is it?

And whose idea was it that censoring news in the U.S. would censor a global pandemic? Stephen Miller? Sounds like him.

If Pelosi calls for CDC to testify in front of the House, can Trump stop it?

NYT: U.S. Health Workers Responding to Coronavirus Lacked Training and Protective Gear, Whistle-Blower Says

Federal health employees interacted with Americans quarantined for possible exposure to the coronavirus without proper medical training or protective gear, then scattered into the general population, according to a government whistle-blower.

In a portion of a complaint filing obtained by The New York Times that has been submitted to the Office of the Special Counsel, the whistle-blower, described as a senior leader at the health agency, said the team was “improperly deployed” to two military bases in California to assist the processing of Americans who had been evacuated from coronavirus hot zones in China and elsewhere.

I thought of you bitches this afternoon, when I went to the grocery store. There was an older lady in line with a cart FULL of Diet Coke. I mean, she must’ve had 6 cases. I should also add that I bought the last thermometer and the last of the travel antibacterial wipes (there were 3 left). You may want to get to the stores sooner rather than later.

R95 did you stock up? I think the diet coke shelves will be empty by weekend.

My eyes, R79!!!

Washington Post: U.S. workers without protective gear assisted coronavirus evacuees, HHS whistleblower says

Trump’s just scheduled a last minute press briefing. Must be in response to the market tanking. It will be interesting if he pivots from blaming it on Dems to blaming it on the virus.

If you are trying to limit your exposure to people you might want to get some things out of the way. Oil change or other mechanical on your car, dentist, hair cut, etc.

I guess it doesn't matter if you have a fresh hair cut if you're not going out...

R64 Why the FUCK did we need to know any of that? They just wanted to know what it was about the virus that killed people. Get a blog, whore!

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Buy pet food and cat sand. If you have a dog get puddle pads. They have them at Sams Club now for $16 for 100.

Buy more water too. It won’t go bad, and sooner or later you’ll want it. Same with toilet paper.

how the fuck is that fair? The govt officials will have all the info while the fucking public will suffer!!! HOW IS THIS LEGAL?!

Trump and Pence are imposing a censorship regime on public health that resembles the Chinese, except the Chinese seem to have wised up. The Republicans will only let out information that boosts the stock market, no matter how harmful to the public.

I just came back from running errands, checked a local CVS, hand sanitizers all sold out. went to supermarket, hand sanitizer also sold out! water shelf is half empty. will go to other stores soon.

R64 your story reminds me of one my mom told. She was a nurse - visiting nurse. She had a client that was only 25. The client was dying. My mom worked night shift there watching over her for months and bonded with her and the family. She arrived one night and the patient had had a horrible day - death was imminent. The patients poor parents hadn't slept in weeks. Well overnight the patent did die - it was a very bad death... my mom cleaned her up before waking her parents - she told the parents that their daughter died peacefully that night. She didn't want to wake them while it was going on - it was that bad.

You are probably better off getting a water purifier than stocking up on bottled water. I haven't bought it in years, but I thought Dasani had an expiration date on their water.

We have a pretty good public health infrastructure in this country, and while I think there should be a single source of official governmental information to discourage different ways of saying the same thing and possible misinformation, I don't have confidence in Trump-associates being the point person. It should be a top public health official such as Dr. Fauci. Such as person would be able to coordinate efforts between multiple agencies as well as adhere to public health protocols, scientific method, and evidence-based medicine, and most importantly do so without political interests. This person should not be from any political party, not Repugs or Dems alike, but someone from public health sector.

The problem I see now is with containment and slowing progression of spread in Italy and S. Korea. We do have a better public health infrastructure than those two nations, but then again S, Korea have had to deal with SARS and MERS, so they've learned some valuable lessons. Rapid spread with a high number of cases will overwhelm the capacity of healthcare system. This in turn promotes high mortality and morbidity. Conversely, slowing down the spread allows for needed time and resources to adequately prepare and manage the case load. Therefore, mitigating risks of transmission should be top priority even during the worst points of epidemics. Recent epidemics (SARS, Ebola, and MERS) have highlighted the fact that healthcare facilities are also particularly at risk during an epidemic.

Hospitals have initiated super-spreading events during both SARS and MERS outbreaks. We should learn from those events. Gatekeepers of hospitals such as outpatient and emergency departments are the most affected. Plans should be in place that include details for safe and effective screening, isolation, and testing of suspected persons. If this isn't fully addressed, then an increased number of patients and disarray on the front line may turn these places into epicenter of healthcare-associated outbreaks. At the very least, a dedicated triage area, even one that's makeshift, should serve as primary barrier for the healthcare facility.

Triage would utilize a decision tree or clinical pathway to manage patients presenting with symptoms of acute respiratory illness. For instance, we test and treat for influenza or other bacterial causes first while advising home isolation. If unresponsive to treatment then test for SARS-CoV-2 3-5 days. If patients start testing positive and chains of infection cannot be determined, then we should prepare enough test kits to test more people than current guidelines of travel or exposure to infected individuals.

We can also utilize telemedicine (which we already use in psych setting) to further reduce the need for outpatient visits. Hospitals need to have contingency plans for general purpose wards and intensive care units. Treating numerous patients with COVID-19 would require more airborne infections isolation rooms (AIIR) than are available. I think building temporary AIIRs with mobile negative-air machines or by manipulating ventilation systems may be workable alternatives. These temporary buildings can be housed on military bases. Manipulating ventilation systems was done in Korea during the MERS outbreak with good results. Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning (HVAC), along with sewage and waste handling and management, should be reviewed beyond existing policy to prevent possible transmission. Private practices pharmacies face challenges in that they may lack capacity for isolation and testing. They also need to properly screen and refer patients for further surveillance and treatment, so public health authorities should not neglect providing adequate support to them.

If Trump declares emergency powers, a real possibility now R93, he can do anything he wants.

R109 Thank you for sharing that poignant story with your mom and her patient. Yes, all nurses have special attachments sometimes to patients, as I did with that 19 year-old. What your mom did was thoughtful towards the parents and respectful to the memory of their daughter.

I have zero confidence in CDC, they can't even make proper test kits and it's been a fucking month! I blame Trump for cutting their funds!

Also, there are still 83 people they are monitoring in NY (long island). Trump fucking knows that if they test positive, the stock market will crater even more that's why he's sealed their lips..

You know how close together NYers live? esp the immigrants? those who deliver your meals and work in kitchens? 10 people in a 1 or 2 bedroom or even worse, imagine if one of them gets it?!

Wow

My Aldi in Connecticut cleaned out of sanitizer and disinfectant wipes. Fyi!

Of course they don't want test. Testing means finding. It's here. I'm telling you. I was exposed to people who had it -- they just returned from China sick -- I got it as did several others, and they just didn't want to hear about any of that when I went to see my doctor.

R113 It's no one's fault that PCR tests have low sensitivity rates, that goes for this virus and the flu viruses. I know people are surprised at the low sensitivity rate but that's well known to providers, and even sometimes providers are surprised. Like I said, these tests are also influenced by samples being tested. It's the nature of the beast so to speak.

People with mild symptoms of acute respiratory illness are unlikely to benefit from medical care, regardless of etiologic pathogens. Stay at. home, keep hydrating yourselves, take antipyretics. Visiting healthcare facilities will risk others if you have mild symptoms of SARS-CoV-2, or risk yourself if you don't have it otherwise. The public should be advised to stay home if mildly ill, and seek medical attention if symptoms persist or intensify.

It'll go away in April when the weather warms up.

FFS why wouldn't it be here? It's everywhere else. Makes you wonder what the unspoken policy is.

Since most states can’t even test for it, how do we know how prevalent it is? If I have it, I’ve already cut a Typhoid Mary swath.

Rachel will have all the tea tonight.

Thank god there is at least one broadcast that fully reports news.

Larry Kramer needs to go chain himself to Pence’s desk.

Larry off his meds at that!

Fuck hand sanitizers, I'll just wash my hands with bleach!

Yes, R121. I don't even bother with anyone else anymore. She breaks it down, has an expert on and gives us all the real facts. At least someone isn't afraid of any backlash and attacks by the likes of Trump, his children and Hannity because she dared to to tell the truth.

R20 here. I think my doctor is already trying to think of ways to limit his patients to going to the ER to potentially spread a suspected case further. Self isolating cases, and reporting to the CDC for a high risk quarantine patient is the way to go. The kicker is getting the patient to stay inside.

Bath and Body Works has hand sanitizer💁🏻‍♀️

R77 That was horrible! Humans are the worst. Hope they'll be safe now.

Now Japan is closing all schools for a month.

CNN-UC Davis student under investigation for coronavirus

A University of California Davis student is under investigation for coronavirus following potential exposure, Dr. Cindy Schorzman announced in a press call today.

That person is being isolated at home, and two other students are being isolated off campus as well, Schorzman said. All three are roommates at a UC Davis residence hall, according to Schorzman.

Test results for the student under investigation are not expected for a few days, as the nasal and oral swabs were sent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, which is processing hundreds of tests from around the country, Yolo County health officer Dr. Ron Chapman said. The two other students are asymptomatic.

Citing privacy laws, health officials would not say whether the student was potentially exposed to someone with the virus or if they had recently traveled to a suspect location.

A Solano County woman is being treated at UC Davis Medical Center for what might be the first community spread case of coronavirus. The UC Davis Medical Center is not on campus and is about 17-miles away in Sacramento.

CNN-CDC changes its criteria for patients to be tested for the novel coronavirus

US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield said the agency has sent out new coronavirus testing guidance to health care workers on Thursday, after what might be the first US case of community spread of the virus. Earlier in the outbreak, CDC guidance to doctors in the US was that a patient had to have a travel history to China, among other criteria. But a patient at UC Davis Medical Center prompted the CDC to change its guidance.

The patient that prompted the guidance change was transferred from another Northern California hospital last week. According to a letter from UC Davis Health, the patient “did not fit the existing CDC criteria for COVID-19, a test was not immediately administered.” After doctors persisted in their request for the test, on Sunday, CDC went ahead with testing.

On Wednesday, the CDC confirmed the patient tested positive for the coronavirus.

That patient became the first US case of unknown origin, according to the CDC. The patient didn’t have any relevant travel history nor any exposure to another known patient. The patient may be the first US case of “community spread” of the virus, officials said.

“As soon as that case was recognized, we met and we revised our case definition for persons under investigation,” Redfield said. The guidance was updated on the CDC’s website Thursday. “Today that has been posted along with a new health advisory that the recommendation should be when a clinician or individual suspects coronavirus, then we should be able to get a test for coronavirus.”

Redfield added: “This is a fluid situation. There’s a lot we don’t know and we are learning more every day.”

Woow. Three days passed from my last visit. New thread. Have you prepared your bunkers, bitches?

I'm putting the finishing touches on some throw pillows, r132....

Interesting study on the Diamond Princess

Considering that I probably lost 3/4 of my retirement money today, the virus might as well kill me.

Just when you think Trump Can't possibly be any dumber, he outdoes himself. Trying to put a gag order on updates from health experts unless first approved by Bible Thumper Pence.

I call SHENANIGANS.

I can't wait for an angry mob to storm the White House.

re: how it kills. There are some interesting X-rays of lungs affected by Covid-19--the lungs of the more vulnerable patients fill up really fast and have what's called a "ground-glass" effect. It goes from almost nothing to looking like severe pneumonia almost overnight.

That's what causes the inability to breathe and then oxygenate everything else.

I have a feeling that it’s going to get worse, r135. I’m so screwed. I told my partner that I didn’t want to know how much I lost, and of course he logged into my account and told me anyway. Asshole.

OP is the undisputed winner of [italic] The Dumbest Thread Title In The History Of DataLounge !

From Twitter:

[quote]The @USNavy has ordered all its vessels in the Pacific that have visited "countries with moderate or greater risk" of the Coronavirus "to remain at sea for at least 14 days before pulling into another port in order to monitor Sailors for any symptoms of the virus"

The backlog in testing at CDC is just moronic. They have had well over 30 days to order emergency production of test kits. I took my dog in today for a checkup and had the results of a full blood panel in my hand in under 8 minutes. 8 Minutes!

I lived through the AIDS crisis, so I'm all too familiar with the government shuffle. We are heading over a cliff and most of the people in charge intend to work at the pace and diligence of a McDonald's employee. I'm so mad I can hardly type.

Has Fran Lebovitz weighed in?

This is all Trump's fault for cutting CDC's budget!!! FUCK THE FAT CUNT!

R135 R138 You only “lose” if you SELL. Just hang in and wait it out, it will recover.

CNN-Former top US health official urges preparation for coronavirus pandemic

Dr. Thomas Frieden, the former director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer today that he couldn’t comment on a whistleblower in the Department of Health and Human Services who contends HHS workers handled coronavirus evacuees from Wuhan, China, without the proper protective gear until he reads the complaint.

Instead, Frieden stressed what other top health officials have been saying for the past week, that the virus is going to spread in the US.

“The bigger picture here is it has become clear over the past few days that a pandemic is inevitable. What’s not certain is how severe it will be. There are mild pandemics, moderate and severe,” Frieden said.

He said the Trump administration’s request for $2.5 billion to fight the outbreak is key.

“What we can do now is prepare in the society, generally, in our health care settings, in the government – and one of the key things to track in this next week is what happens with the supplemental funding for this, because that will determine how robust the US response can be.”

You DC-heads should load up on Crystal Light if you can't buy up all the Diet Coke in the stores. It's not Diet Coke but it's pretty good and certainly better than nothing. Aldi's fake version is fine.

What time is Trump's last-minute press conference?

R146 Diet Coke makes you fat and diabetic.

I've had the news on the whole time R147 and never heard of Trump calling a last minute press conference.

Hey R146, I don't drink it but some people do, what's it to you?

Is it time to change your turmeric suppository or what?

^R148

Maybe the silver lining in all this is Trump stays home and we don't have the listen to his sorry ass for a long time.

Here's a table breaking down the symptomatic / asymptomatic cases according to age group on the Diamond Princess. What is interesting is that it gives us pretty accurate data since almost all passengers and crew were tested.

So about half of the cases were symptomatic. But that changes depending on the age group.

- Under 19 most were asymptomatic

- Between 20 and 49 there were A LOT more symptomatic cases than asymptomatic. Only 3 persons in their twenties were asymptomatic versus 25 symptomatic!

- Over 50 there's less difference and the repartition is about 50/50.

Holistic WuFlu Cures

R150 - I’m not r148 but I’m the poster that started taking the tumeric - I’m also one of the Diet Coke addict here on this thread that’s been stocking up. And r148 I’m not fat or diabetic

I was able to buy n95 masks just now on eBay. A 2 pack for 30 dollars and free shipping.

eBay still has masks if anyone is interested and yes you’ll be ripped off ...but supply and demand and all that...

ABC: Efforts to strike coronavirus funding agreement undermined by partisanship

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...after the president called her “incompetent” at his news conference Wednesday night, Pelosi blasted the administration’s response to the outbreak as “chaotic and opaque.”

Pelosi also said she expressed concern to Vice President Mike Pence in a phone call Thursday morning that Trump tapped him to lead the administration’s response to the coronavirus.

“We have always had a very candid relationship and I expressed to him the concern that I had of his being in this position,” Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters at a news conference in the Capitol.

MORE: Pence to lead US response to coronavirus as Trump urges Americans to prepare “This is about resources, it's also about personnel," Pelosi said. "It's also about respect for science, for evidence-based decision making, and it's about having so much of that talent that we are so proud of in our public health sector be available in other countries so that we can get a true…and accurate assessment of what is happening in other countries.”

MORE: As he leads coronavirus response, Pence criticized for handling of HIV outbreak while Indiana's governor A senior House Democratic appropriations aide said that staff-level discussions were continuing for the second-day in a row Thursday, although there is no meeting scheduled among the principal appropriations lawmakers this week.

"This isn't like border wall or even omnibuses where you need principals to hammer out a bunch of big picture items," the aide says. "Each subcommittee that has a piece of this will be meeting as a four corners, and then staff directors are meeting and also in touch by phone."

The aide also said there are no current plans for appropriators to meet with Pence, although "that could change."

I've just put plastic and duct tape on my windows thanks to President Bushes high alerts!

R149 They’re talking about this: Trump called the press in for this already scheduled event.

I’m surprised that the Chinese spies who have been invading Mar-a-kaka have not sprinkled a little Covid-19 around the place.

BEST NEWS ! Vice President of Iran is infected!!!

What an asinine press conference. Trump said he was one of the best press conferences and many people thought so too. I don't know how people can keep a straight face around that idiot.

Some financial advisor with Guggenheim something or other is on CNN talking about a billion people possibly being infected. Yeah, THAT’S reassuring..

The price gouging for the N95 mask has started.

Now the CA county this new patient is from is calling a press conference declaring a medical emergency. Also the woman is intubated and on a ventilator. And no one knows where or how she caught it.

Rumors flying about mass school closings in the US.

We may not get info from the CDC, but states are going to report it so we will be able to track the severity.

I'm not stocking up on hand sanitizer. Soap and water works wonders.

did they mention the age of the woman?

Stock market in freefall

US military quarantining all sailors aboard ships that have been in contact with any Asian countries for 14 days

Japan closing all schools for a month

CA county declaring medical emergency

Commentator on CNN talking about possibility of 1 billion people infected

Nobody panic though!

Don't forget R169 Trump silencing the CDC.

I just bought this device that makes your own bleach. Now I can make bleach for a year (or so):

It doesn't make bleach R171. It says it is as effective as bleach

Shh don't spoil her fun. She's stopped eating paste only a week ago.

BTW, once you make it you have to use it within 2 weeks.

Aldi's has restocked their shelves with new shipments of hand sanitizer and hand soap, at a far better price than B&B.

Probably goes bad in two days.

r172, my sister has it, and it indeed smells like bleach.

It is not bleach and they don't say it is bleach R177. I don't care what it smells like.

I don't drink either, but this might be a good time to start.

Well they do say have alcohol on hand R179.

P.S. My Brother In Law is a doctor, and confirmed it was a very weak bleach . We discussed why they didn't market it as such, and we came to the conclusion that for marketing purposes that "Bleach" didn't convey "natural"

I have a feeling we're going to see a resurgence of gallows humor.

Then just get the real stuff R181. Look how much you are going to be spending on that "weak bleach."

so what? That bus driver in England picking up the evacuees from Wuhan wasn't even wearing a mask and he's not sick.

R171 will probably blow up his house.

Glad you and your BIL were able to come to a "conclusion."

NYC resident being tested for coronavirus after traveling to Italy

A New York City resident is now being tested for the coronavirus — after the person recently traveled to Italy, the city revealed Thursday.

The patient reported symptoms of the virus, but further details on their identity and timing of their travels and illness were unclear.

City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot said the number of tests will likely rise after the federal government recently broadened testing criteria in response to a more rapid spread of the deadly virus outside of China — in countries including Italy, Iran and South Korea.

“Viruses don’t respect borders and this broader definition will help us cast a wider net to detect the virus,” Barbot tweeted. “We expect the number of cases under investigation to grow.”

There have been no confirmed cases of the virus in the Big Apple yet. Six others have been tested, all returning negative results.

“We ask New Yorkers to continue to wash their hands regularly and stay home if they feel sick and have recently traveled or been in close contact with someone who has traveled to these or any countries with ongoing person-to-person spread of COVID-19,” Barbot said, using the name of the specific strain of the virus.

Hand sanitizer and wipes won't do anything. This is probably a resistant supervirus.

Is that maya Rudolph in the middle?

California is monitoring 8400 people.

....

[quote]I'm not stocking up on hand sanitizer. Soap and water works wonders.

Hard to pull soap and water out of your pocket when you're out and about.

Here is an all natural "bleach" that won't rob you blind

Health Secretary Alex Azar Refuses To Guarantee Coronavirus Vaccine Would Be Affordable For All

Azar told Congress today: “We would want to ensure that we work to make it affordable, but we can’t control that price because we need the private sector to invest. . . . Price controls won’t get us there.”

Capitalism rules!

R191 okay so everyone is going to die.

“We found the cure! Hallaljeauh! Now say & repeat the cure after me... Psalm 146:8 "The Lord gives sight to the blind, the Lord lifts up those who are bowed down, the Lord loves the righteous."“

You know this virus is getting around when San Marino and Nepal are reporting confirmed cases.

They are backtracking on that now R194. Of course it is the Trump administration so who knows.

“Hi Datalounge, Y’all make sure to use the cures we found. Doctors can’t help like Jesus can! Now let’s cast those dirty gay... I mean Coronavirus demons off y’all! Exodus 23:25 ‘Worship the LORD your God, and his blessing will be on your food and water. I will take away sickness from among you…’”

Unpopular Opinion, but one thing I’ll say about Trump’s strategy (self-serving as it may be & definitely is) is that keeping the panic down is actually beneficial because the hospital overflow and run on supplies are the main issues. I’m seeing the Frau Deplorables on Facebook dismiss this a “liberal media fear tactic Bull honky!” Which is good imagine every Ashley running little McKuntlyn to the ER for every cough and 100f fever.

It's no more than the common cold! The liberals are exaggerating it to bring our leader down!

Just out of curiosity I looked online for the N95 mask R200. I won't say they are unavailable, but the ones that are available they are price gouging people on.

R200 I agree. Seriously, everyone’s already panicking - what do they want Trump to say “yeah guys it’s really bad. And lots of people will probably die and businesses can’t get supplies or inventory so everyone’s losing money - sell your stocks ASAP!” That would just cause even more panic.

R202 I just bought a 2 pack for 30 dollars on eBay.

I checked and they were all out R204.

Whoops, they do have them R204. The link I had followed showed them sold out.

R205 the guy I bought the 2 pack one for 30 dollars just sold out. But here is one that’s available

R206 I bought this one - he sold 100 in a hour, and now is sold out.

Hope he ships it..

R36, I am. Toilet paper, paper towels, bottled water, canned chicken, canned tuna (not albacore), canned sardines. I like the delivery service for bulk items; not worried about going to the stores for other stuff, like fresh vegetables for now.

R175, the Bath & Body Works suggestion was just in case of emergency, as one or two people said they couldn't find it.

Thanks for letting us all know your local Aldi has it in stock, We're on the Datalounge Coronavirus 2020 Tour shuttle and headed to your local Aldi as we speak.

Thanks R208. That is showing it as a pack of 10.

R211 I think it’s now showing another sellers listing. Regardless eBay still has them looks like the price went the last hour or so - averaging 40 for one mask.

Found it on Amazon.

R213 yeah but it’s “currently unavailable” must have sold out

Are these threads the only places where people are preparing for a prolonged breakdown of civilization, stockpiling bottled water and diet Coke and the like? On my facebook feed—which is overwhelmingly populated by university educated professional people, many in the sciences, who are caught up on the news—there's just a mixture of concern about the pandemic and the usual other topics. No survivalism.

[quote]Health Secretary Alex Azar Refuses To Guarantee Coronavirus Vaccine Would Be Affordable For All

Azar told Congress today: “We would want to ensure that we work to make it affordable, but we can’t control that price because we need the private sector to invest. . . . Price controls won’t get us there.”

Capitalism rules!

I guess they really do want Bernie to win the nomination

R214. It was, but I screwed around on here and now it is gone. Would have been delivered on the 4th of March.

"Fox News hosts accuse Democrats and journalists of 'weaponizing' coronavirus to attack Trump "

to end tyranny.....whatever works

Tea Tree oil caused male tit growth, increases the resistance of superbugs to antibiotics, and can cause horrible skin rashes. It's banned in my country - switzerland.

R209 why not albacore? (Already purchased 10 cans)

Smoked kippers (herring) are cheaper and tastier than sardines.

And it makes your whole house smell like kippers.

Wow, if Japan closes schools for a month, we may finally be able to catch up!

If there's a run on stores, Target is fucked. They have like 2 employees for the entire store. All 18 checkout lanes are closed and only the 4 self-checkout stations are open. People are just going to high tail it out of the store with their carts and not wait for someone to scan 30 items and then raise their hand because they fucked up.

Rinse out those cans before tossing, Rose @ R222

You guys are way too paranoid!

R215, go on reddit.

R/pandemicpreps

R/preppers, who are having a giant fit because they’re being inundated by Coronavirus preppers. They prefer to prep in advance.

R/BannedfromCoronavirus (apparently people have been banned without warning from virus threads and don’t know why)

R/CoronavirusCalifornia

R/CoronavirusUS

So no, nobody cares but us.

R/collapse, a mega thread that combines several other Coronavirus threads into one big thread.

R/Coronavirusinfo

R/Covid2019 (about the virus itself)

R/coronavirusFOS (Freedom of Speech)

R/

I'm finding stores are out of hand sanitizer. I was able to get a 10oz bottle at Fry's today.

Here’s the link to R/CoronavirusCalifornia, which seems to have a lot of traffic.

It's fun to watch slobs play catch up!

Wouldn't it be better to have a water purifier than jugs of water?

Here’s the link to r/pandemicpreps. If you don’t know anything about prepping, this is the place to go.

I had an appointment last week for a knee issue, it was business as usual. Today, I go in and there are signs asking if you've been out of the country recently or in contact with someone who has, to let them know. Also a big sign saying if you have a fever, cough, or shortness of breath to alert one of the health staff there immediately. The nurse then proceeded to ask me the same questions and take my temperature. Very different than last week.

Sams Club still has hand sanitizer. So did Costco a couple of days ago, I don’t know now.

If you don’t have a card for Sams or Costco, now is the time to get one. They still have stock in most areas. They don’t carry masks, but they have a lot of gloves at reasonable prices. If you don’t mind house brands, they’re a good place to stock up on large quantities of laundry soap and generic OTC drugs and vitamins. They also have three packs of Clorox bleach, large packs of Clorox wet wipes and other cleaning supplies.

Also consider a fire extinguisher, and check the batteries in your smoke alarms. And get A/C filters for the summer, they have pretty good prices at big box stores. The gas discount price alone is enough to pay for your card over the year.

R230 Yeah, stupid people with their real jobs and their real lives and shit!

"Duhh, where's the beans and rice, I was too busy making money to pay the bills and now I can't buy food to wait out the pandemic, I wish I was smart as the Emperor of Wuhan who lords over all coronavirus threads on that gay message board, duuuuuhhh."

I was in Target on Saturday and they had tons of hand sanitizer, they also had medical gloves.

So witty ^

This could be a gift in disguise, especially given how personally Chump is taking the real reporting on this virus as a personal attack. The public will see just how inept the current administration is to handle public health crisis. That and the fact that the CDCs funds were cut for that damned wall. Once people start getting sick and are overwhelmed by debt his base will waver. Most if the petulant children who voted to 'drain the swamp' will turn when they cant afford vaccines, testing, etc.

Its about time for the economic turn caused by the administration before him is almost expired, so it's about time people see that the economy is NOT doing nearly as well as they thought/think. Its going to be a painful lesson for many.

I.e., Trump's Katrina.

W's second term never got off to a great start, with the rollout of the doomed SS reform (i.e. gutting of the social safety nets, which the Republicans are openly trying to do again now). He was already hobbled at the end of summer with the chaotic Supreme Court appointment that ended with Alito getting confirmed. Then Katrina came along, he screwed up the response, and it was all downhill from there. The economic collapse 2-3 later finished the Republicans off temporarily; should have been permanent.

At Sams Club website, they have Auguson Farms dehydrated or freeze dried foods. You can order and they will deliver. I understand they have had shortages on some items.

If you end up getting freeze dried products, another good brand is Mountain House (more expensive but good). Some stores and Big Lots have Bear Creek dehydrated soup mixes. It’s very high sodium but actually pretty good. The secret for freeze dried food is give it enough time to rehydrate. If you can add water and leave it overnight in the fridge, that’s the best.

For freeze dried meals, they have two categories, meal entrees, like chili, stew or soup, and single items, like fruit, vegetables, cheese powder, tomato powder, (makes tomato paste), powdered butter and similar items.

From what I’ve heard and what I’ve tried, all the meals in a can are high in salt and some are better than others. Look at the reviews before you buy. As far as the fruits and vegetables go, rehydrated freeze dried strawberries are exactly like regular strawberries. They also sell blueberries, peaches and some other fruits. They also sell dehydrated onion and other vegetables. Read the reviews. Some are better than others.

FYI, some Sams Clubs are now carrying a few meal packs which are supposed to have food for a period of time, like “30 days.” Read the labels carefully. “Thirty days” may not be accurate at all. Some of these pre-mixed packs are very low in calories and high in sodium for daily rations. One guy on a prepper website tried living off some company’s “survival packs” and found he had stomach issues, it was very high in sodium and the daily calories couldn’t keep at cat alive. Also, “good for twenty five years” is bullshit. This is assuming you keep the pack at a steady temperature of 55 degrees. Nobody does that. In reality, I had some that were kept in a closet at seventy nine degrees in the summer, and after about eight years some was stale.

Once opened, they’re good for one year. Items usually come in a #10 can unless otherwise specified. If you buy these, be prepared to use them, emergency or not.

Can those people who are stockpiling water answer why?l not just fill up containers and pans and jugs and freeze it, or leave it around fortoilets, etc.

I mean do you really think the water will be turned off? If it hasn't happened in China, it isn't going to happen here.

Everybody has planned for this as if it will be a theatrical doomsday scenario - which none of you will survive btw, when in reality it will be extended inconveniences. Imo.

So, why not albacore tuna?

My guess, R241 is that pharmaceuticals may run short, many come from China.

And let’s not forget Diet Coke, R248.

Comforting video.

R241, what people are concerned about is power outages. If short staffing causes power outages, power is required to purify the water that comes through your faucet. Which means if there was a prolonged power failure, the water in your faucet could be undrinkable and dangerous.

If you do get a notice to boil water, considering the Coronavirus has traveled through the pipes and infected a guy living downstairs on the common pipeline, it would probably be best to shut off the water to your house if possible. You would not want your pipes contaminated with unrefined water. At least consider it might be an issue. Coronavirus is a new virus, and we don’t really know everything it does.

In any case, if there’s a boil water order, you can’t brush your teeth with it or get it in your eyes, let alone drink it. Just imagine it’s Tijuana water, that’s about it.

Another thing to consider is that home water filtering systems like Britta pitchers, don’t filter Coronavirus. Neither do Life Straws or similar camping gear. The virus is too small and can get right through that filter. It will filter pretty much anything else, but not that. I’d be interested to know if the city water system filters it. We normally don’t have to worry about it. Nothing’s ever that small.

Ok, I have to get out of this thread. You’re all terrifying me!

R241, if you did want to store water cheaply in large quantities, the easiest way might be to put tap water in a water bladder in the bathtub in your spare bathroom. That water is not sterile but suitable for flushing toilets.

Another way is to buy a 55 gallon plastic drum made for water storage. A lot of different companies sell these. Sometimes camping stores sell them in different sizes.

You prepare that water for long term storage by adding 8 drops of bleach per gallon to the container. Or buy plastic Jerry cans made for storing water, same thing. Eight drops of bleach per gallon. That’s good at least a year. That is extremely heavy and can’t be moved, so place it carefully.

R245 Why would the fucking power go out? You people are getting ridiculous.

The new patient in California who got the virus from an unknown origin is not a good development. But what's worse is the world possibly being thrown into another recession.

R249, power goes out all the time in different areas of the country. It’s not unknown. The problem is if nobody comes to work to fix it.

R247

You’re 2 weeks late.

Terror passed after Valentines. Now it is prep mode.

Trying to game plan this is deeply depressing, but I’m not going out without a fight!

This is #TheBoogaloo

Nobody WANTS the boogaloo, but the boogaloo was coming anyway. The virus is just the Assassination of Ferdinand moment.

R247

You’re 2 weeks late.

Terror passed after Valentines. Now it is prep mode.

Trying to game plan this is deeply depressing, but I’m not going out without a fight!

This is #TheBoogaloo

Nobody WANTS the boogaloo, but the boogaloo was coming anyway. The virus is just the Assassination of Ferdinand moment.

Well, it's here in Ireland after some Typhoid Mary brought it in on the plane from Italy. Said biohazard passed through Dublin airport, no doubt coughing and sneezing, and ended up in Belfast. The authorities 'won't say' whether or not they took public transport to Belfast, which means they did. Thus, there is one plane load, one airport full, and one bus or train load of potentially infected persons spreading over Ireland tonight. Probably a coincidence I've heard two ambulances racing by my house in the past couple of hours?

The university where I teach has its study week start on Monday, I wonder if they will just not reopen.

According to what I read only people in the three rows of airplane seats around the infected person are considered at risk, But if it can spread through an apartment block or a cruise ship, why not an airplane?

R243, Chris Cuomo said they’re already short on some common drug. He wouldn’t say what it was, but said it had nothing to do with Coronavirus. It’s just manufactured in China and they can’t get more.

R254

If this continues to spread explosively through Europe then I suspect that daily life will look very different by the Ides of March.

When the CDC finally starts releasing results from tests on suspected cases in the United States, the panic begins.

I just knew those loose hussies in California would start spreading this!

That’s assuming they are allowed to release it, R257. All news goes through Pence now.

I bet health officials start leaking anonymously or through the whistleblower program, like the guy that leaked that medical personnel at the military base in California caring for travelers exposed to Coronavirus didn’t even have protective equipment, and weren’t told they needed it, then went home to their families. That’s a euphemism for “and then made their families, coworkers and kids in the carpool sick.” Those people alone are probably enough to start an epidemic. Those people probably wandered the streets for weeks with no symptoms.

Next title?

Panic Shopping: Everybody was Kung Flu Fighting!

R260

Great title.

Pangolins don’t deserve this shit.

Look at it this way. This is a moment of clarity for all of use. What’s really important?

Is it important to have the softest toilet paper available, or get enough so you don’t run out? Is it important to have the fanciest underwear, or enough to hold you for the foreseeable future? Is it important to buy that geegaw on eBay, or have enough toilet paper, or pet food? It’s so easy to know the answer now.

Well I have COPD, and I had to get both a flu shot and two stage pneumonia shots. I'm now wondering, since this virus seems to attack the respiratory system if people got pneumonia shots would that help?

I had my pneumonia shot, R263. I don’t think it solves every complication, but it solves one.

You are going to die by the end of March r263

Enjoy your last few weeks

surgical masks are getting real expensive. I went to the grocery store and stocked up on canned beans so I can make chili, and I got some sauce for pasta, and I have my freezer stocked. I plan on cooking stuff and freezing it, and I also recommend getting some bags of frozen vegetables. Get peanut butter and canned tuna too. Bottled water and big jugs of water. BEcause if they shut stuff down you do not want to be relying on anything but yourself. Get batteries. My family mocks me for having a nice library of DVDs because "everyone is streaming" but if you can't stream DVDs are the best. And get yourself a batteries operated radio. Yes. A radio. Because if we lose power you still need to know what's going on. And make sure you keep your gas tank topped off. This could be like Walking Dead. The virus will turn us all into zombies.

^ That's not funny in any way. What's wrong you?

R267 was for the odious R265.

Well, if the coronavirus wipes out millions of unhealthy boomers, millennials might be able to take their jobs and make a decent living for once

Or at least get six months good pay until it becomes evident they've got no people skills and shit for brains.

Now put your hairnet on and make the latte.

R266, I got an Instant Pot, because you can cook dry beans with it. A guy at Target told me he had one, and got a lot of recipes on Pinterest. He said it also boiled eggs very quickly.

I also bought some crossword puzzle books and Sudoku books, in case there’s no power. And I bought a lounge chair for outside, to put on the balcony so I can get some vitamin D. Luckily my balcony is not near anybody else.

The most paranoia about coronavirus has been here.

r256 Advil is made in China

Yes, I read something like 95% of Advil is made in China. I don’t know if Chris Cuomo was talking about that though. He might have meant a prescription drug.

I read that pneumonia shot does not protect against this virus. Do you have other medical conditions like high blood pressure, diabetes, heart problems? Good luck!

I posted the info in previous thread...FDA had contacted manufacturers of 20 drugs (that may have supply issues) and they told the FDA they are OK. Let me find the article again. They did not reveal the names of 20 drugs.

FDA identified 20 drugs with shortage risks due to coronavirus outbreak

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has contacted producers of about 20 drugs that either source all of their main ingredients from or are finished in China to gauge if they will face shortages due to the coronavirus outbreak.

None of the companies reported that a shortage is expected for their drugs due to the outbreak, an FDA spokeswoman said.

“We have been in contact with those firms to understand if they face any drug shortage risks due to the outbreak,” FDA spokeswoman Stephanie Caccomo said in a statement late on Monday. “None of these firms has reported any shortage to date.”

Caccomo did not identify any of the drugs or the companies.

She said the FDA has also reached out to more than 180 manufacturers to remind them of their requirement to notify the regulator of any expected supply disruptions.

U.S. officials raised concerns this week about the security of the U.S. drug supply chain in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak in China, where a significant portion of the ingredients used to make prescription drugs is manufactured.

Around 88 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients used in drugs for the U.S. market were manufactured overseas in 2018, according to the FDA. About 14 percent of the API for U.S. drugs in that year were produced in China, the FDA said.

SiriusXM quarantines top exec, staffers over coronavirus scare

In a memo to staff — seen by Page Six — the human resources department said SVP of channel management Sally McMahon had held a meeting Wednesday with her team — and it turned out that some of the attendees had recently traveled through Japan, which has been heavily struck by the virus.

“In an excess of caution,” read the memo, “because people were together for a significant part of the day, we have instructed the participants of that meeting to self-quarantine by working from home for the next 14 days.”

The network has also put in place a set of rules. It’s banned international business travel, telling staffers who have already booked trips to cancel them, and telling staff who have been in contact with anyone who’s been in China, Iran, Italy, Japan or South Korea to stay home for 14 days.

The rules also say, “Please confirm with any guests or visitors who may be coming into our offices that they have been in the U.S. for the past two weeks. If they have not, please do your meeting by phone or Zoom.”

After we published this story, Sirius sent out a second memo to staff clarifying the situation. It read, “You may have seen a published report in the New York Post about SiriusXM and the coronavirus. Here is simply what is going on: at a meeting yesterday, we realized a handful of team members had stopped over for a few hours in an airport in Japan. That is all. There is no evidence of the coronavirus among our employees.”

Meanwhile, celebs in the building Wednesday included chef Marcus Samuelsson, Susan Sarandon, John Turturro country star Jessi Alexander, and the cast of the “Jersey Shore” (although considering what their immune systems have had to fight off over the years, you’ve got to imagine the “Jersey Shore” folks have pure Clorox running through their veins by now anyway).

Interesting r278. Sirius is doing the right thing by cancelling their employees international travel, but will all companies do that? Likely not.

CNN-The US has its first novel coronavirus-related drug shortage

The United States has its first novel coronavirus-related drug shortage, according to the US Food and Drug Administration.

The maker of an unnamed drug that has recently been added to the FDA Drug Shortages list told the agency that the shortage is due to the coronavirus.

On Tuesday, the FDA warned that these types of shortages could happen, and said it was monitoring the situation closely. The agency identified 20 drugs that either solely sourced their active pharmaceutical ingredients, or produced finished drug products, from or in China.

The unnamed company that notified the FDA about a shortage said the problem is the result of an issue with the manufacturing of an active pharmaceutical ingredient used in the drug.

Made in China: The US relies heavily on Chinese-made drug ingredients, medical devices and drugs that are used in humans and animals. As of 2018, China ranked second among countries that exported drugs and biologics to the US, and ranked first for medical devices, according to the FDA.

Obligation to report shortages: The agency said Tuesday it has been in touch with 180 manufacturers to remind them that the companies have a regulatory obligation to notify the FDA if they anticipate any disruption to drug supplies. The agency asked companies to evaluate their supply chains in light of the coronavirus outbreak.

The FDA said it is working with the manufacturer that was recently added to the shortages list to try and mitigate the problem.

"“We will do everything possible to mitigate the shortage,” the agency said in a news release Thursday."

CNN-More cases in Italy: At least 650 people have tested positive for coronavirus in Italy, officials said. Across Europe, at least 11 countries now have confirmed cases of the virus, with many of the patients having visited the Lombardy region at the center of Italy's outbreak.

OK, aside from advice about prepper purchases, & recipes. is there any further info about the character of the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2?

R276, elderlez, DNP, and other anons,—any new info you can impart?

Is it true that drinking a bottle of Helenesque will provide immunity?

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Monty Python nailed it.

NHK: Tokyo Disneyland will close for two weeks!

R282

Dr John Campbell from the UK has been following this since the inception, and had been rather upbeat until a week ago.

The explosion in cases in Europe are alarming.

Well it's here in New Zealand.

An Iranian flew in on a plane so that's a whole lot of people exposed. But that's cool, we are asking people to 'self quarantine' so they'll all do it, of course.

I would like to volunteer to nurse John Turturro through any illness that may befall him.

Went shopping this morning as I do every week and panic buying was evident. A lot more people in the supermarket buying way more stuff than you normally see in people's trollies, including my own.

Central New Jersey

Walmart Central Virginia

No new posts!

Did the meth finally wear off everyone in these eight threads or what?

Why is the administration just now taking steps to produce masks when we’ve know about this for almost 2 months?

Well?

R289 brings up something interesting: Who will be the first celebrity to contract the disease?

CNBC:

U.S. stock futures early Friday pointed to more losses after the major indexes suffered a tumble that sent them more than 10% below their record highs.

As of 1:37 a.m. ET Friday, Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were 429 points lower, indicating an implied opening loss of 620.64 points. S&P 500 and Nasdaq 100 futures also pointed to a lower open on Friday.

Meanwhile, bond yields also continued to slip as the yield on the benchmark U.S. 10-year Treasury touched new record lows, according to Reuters. It was last at 1.2274%.

The Dow plummeted nearly 1,200 points on Thursday — its biggest one-day point drop ever — as worries over the coronavirus possibly spreading sent stocks spiraling lower. The 30-stock average closed in correction territory along with the S&P 500 and Nasdaq Composite.

How far down will the Dow drop tomorrow? Any bets?

I’m guessing around another 1000pts.

Retail stocks would be a good short term bet considering everyone is going to go crazy this weekend and buy everything in sight.

I work at a small college in the south and today we got a briefing on what plans are in place just in case things go.... South. We will be moving to online teaching, but we don't know yet if we will send students home, or quarantine them in their dorms. Much of that will depend on what direction comes from the CDC.

The only time I see Fox news is that the gym, and my eyes keep drifting towards it while I'm on the treadmill because it makes me so fucking angry. Laura "nazi" Ingraham opened her show with a segment called the left goes viral, talking about how our site is blaming Trump for the disease, and how he has not cut funding from the CDC, then followed that up with a segment look how to prepare for a pandemic. Stupidly funny in a it's hypocracy.

Corona will be Trump's Waterloo, mark my words.

R295, I nominate Ted Nugent. He's the right age, and he's part of the Trump Confederacy. It would be very symbolic and put some fear in those idiots.

Here's a world map of the spread which is continuously updated

R299. My gym always plays Fox, too. What is up with that?

CNN

More than 4,400 coronavirus cases recorded outside China as global spread

New Zealand's report of its first coronavirus infection today follows more confirmed cases in countries including Spain, France, Nigeria and the UAE overnight, as outbreaks in South Korea, Italy and Iran continued to worsen.

The virus has now reached more than 50 countries and territories outside mainland China, with over 4,400 infections recorded and at least 70 deaths.

These are the worst-hit countries in each region of the world:

Africa: Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria; 1 case each Asia: China; 78,824 cases, 2,788 deaths Asia (outside China): South Korea; 2,022 cases, 13 deaths Australasia: Australia; 22 cases Europe: Italy; 650 cases, 17 deaths Middle East: Iran; 245 cases, 26 deaths North America: United States; 60 cases South America: Brazil; 1 case

Just saw a clip of the Pope during church services, probably Ash Wednesday, where he was frequently coughing and blowing his nose. And he wasn't wearing a face mask.

I'm curious to know how many people showed up for the service

Don't forget to pick up an extra Queen Helene face mask !

[quote]Who will be the first celebrity to contract the disease?

Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity. Imagine!

Reading about this administration's absolutely bizarre actions that have already caused the virus to spread outside a CA military base is almost unbelievable.

Complete incompetence. Yes. All to attempt to keep the markets in tact I believe. At the expense of US citizens.

[quote]All to attempt to keep the markets in tact I believe. At the expense of US citizens.

I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders, but this is basically free advertising for his campaign.

R308, Well, the stock market cratered anyway because Drumpf has no credibility. While his idiot followers might be clinging to his words, anyone smart enough to run a multinational isn't.

Best Drumpf's best bet would be to appoint a competent doctor, fund the CDC and NIH adequately and stand back. We seem to have a surgeon general--is he competent?

But that won't happen. The only thing that gives me real pleasure is that the hotel industry is going to get hit hard and should do a number on Drumpf's portfolio.

I also don't care if the cruise industry goes to hell--Cruise companies are bad for the planet, exploit their workers and dodge taxes.

True and think about bgg it - who the hell would use an Airbnb now?.......On either side of the transaction!

Patients who were discharged tested positive for Coronavirus a second time.

It’s really not R307. It’s going exactly as expected. Trump is going to get us all killed.

[quote]Trump to use WAR POWERS to order factories to churn out millions of protective masks amid growing coronavirus crisis

This is sure to trigger the MASKS ARE USELESS troll.

CNN: Nigeria confirms first coronavirus case in sub Saharan Africa.

The Nigeria news is a disaster... Africa has so few coping mechanisms. The thing will spread like wildfire there. That said, I keep reading for most people the symptoms/experience really is nothing worse than a very bad cold.

Chris Hayes:

So here's what appears to be chain of events:

The Trump administration repatriated infected Americans over the objections of the CDC.

HHS then sent federal workers to interact with the infected population without adequate training or protection.

Then those workers went out into the public with no monitoring or testing regime in place.

And now the first US-contracted case has appeared right near one of the airforce bases where this all happened.

When someone at HHS raised alarms about all this s/he was criticized for hurting morale and then ordered to another position or be fired.

This is real real real bad.

R257 I didn’t see the show, but I am guessing he was talking about the -itidine reflux medications. They are all manufactured in mainland China. Zantac was determined to cause cancer and taken off the market and there are manufacturing concerns with the others in addition to just pressure from former Zantac users going to other meds. The last time I was able to get my nizatidine prescription filled was early December and I’ve been reduced to taking over the counter Tagamet. (I think that was in thread one or two)

Also not coronavirus related but a China supply chain issue and posted a few threads ago there’s a major recall of surgical gowns that were manufactured in filthy conditions.

Medical supply chain is a national security issue.

(Anyone know where barbiturates are manufactured? IV Ativan made my septic shock bearable, (thank you anterograde amnesia) so I sure hope it is Ohio.)

I don’t have anything new, but I am gratified in a deeply sad way that the news about how CDC has been refusing to test people is finally getting out into the public. I felt a little like a crank posting about it, but now that it is public things should change. Also I don’t know if I’ll get an answer, but I have sent questions to my CDC lawyer contact deployed at a quarantine airbase.

Also, and I know masks are a controversial topic, but I wore cloth washable masks with the n95 inserts on both five-ish hour flights plus cloth moisturizing gloves and it was extremely uncomfortable. (I am on immunosuppressants for my pre-existing condition so avoiding all germs is more important for me than the general population.)

Next week's New Yorker cover:

Azerbaijan, Belarus and Lithuania also confirm their first cases.

Trump, in his addled, insane state doesn't seem to realize that the stock market is not like his MAGAts. He can't just go on TV and say everything is fine, and we're covering this, it's all under control, when it isn't. The markets know better. They're going by a different set of metrics grounded in facts. He's also blaming the Fake News for distorting the spread of the disease and setting off a panic. Everything about Trump is fake and he believes he can bullshit his way out of everything. But not this. And since his advisers tell him that as long as the stock market is healthy and the economy is good he'll be re-elected, he is panicking right now. A fucking lunatic.

[quote] Who will be the first celebrity to contract the disease?

Anyone who went to Milan Fashion Week. Will Anna Wintour finally get her comeuppance??

Someone remind me if it's known how the virus got to northern Italy in the first place. Chinese tourists?

The link below may just explain why WHO no longer use the term "pandemic"... or at least it may explain why they refuse to label COVID as one.

R220, High in mercury.

Fascinating article r323.

What an amazingly fucked up species is homo sapiens.

I am hoping the Corona Virus wants to impress Jodi Foster, and attends a Trump Rally, or visits Mar_A_Lago.

[quote] I didn’t see the show, but I am guessing he was talking about the -itidine reflux medications. They are all manufactured in mainland China. Zantac was determined to cause cancer and taken off the market and there are manufacturing concerns with the others in addition to just pressure from former Zantac users going to other meds. The last time I was able to get my nizatidine prescription filled was early December and I’ve been reduced to taking over the counter Tagamet.

I was just talking about this ten minutes ago. Everything is gone off the shelves. Costco has nothing except brand name Prilosec and it’s expensive. I’m in the same boat as you, taking OTC Tagamet and it’s impossible to find more than 50 at a time. If this is the harbinger of the next couple of months, yikes.

The markets are crashing because they don’t like uncertainty - and that’s what’s going on. Things in China are uncertain as to when normal production and shipping will resume.

The Coronavirus isn’t Trumps fault - as unpopular of an opinion that may be here - as much as you would like to blame him he can’t control what happened in China.

He also doesn’t want to cause even more panic by telling everyone “the sky is falling” (Even if it is) because more panic will cause more craziness.

I have a feeling they are going to pump a ton of money into the fed by Sunday night to stabilize the market and do another rate cut.

And for those jumping for joy that the markets are crashing - Just so it may benefit the election - shame on you. Many older retirees are losing money they have saved to live on. The markets are not just for the rich. A lot of people have lost money - and 10 percent (or whatever the figure is) is a lot for average people.

Country over party, here.

how can the virus spread in Africa? I thought the heat killed it. Same with South America

Nigeria will be interesting to watch. I don't know where in Nigeria the infected person is but in Abuja, Nigeria it is currently 100F. If it spreads there then warm weather won't stop the spread of the virus.

[quote]He also doesn’t want to cause even more panic by telling everyone “the sky is falling” (Even if it is) because more panic will cause more craziness.

Except that messaging that's completely out touch with reality will be worse than straight, clear communication about what's going on. You know, like Obama had to do with H1N1 and Ebola.

Perversely, I want to see enough of a drop to trigger the NYSE circuit breakers. Maybe make Wall Street realize that getting deregulation from an insane child comes with a high price.

[quote] The Coronavirus isn’t Trumps fault - as unpopular of an opinion that may be here - as much as you would like to blame him he can’t control what happened in China. He also doesn’t want to cause even more panic by telling everyone “the sky is falling” (Even if it is) because more panic will cause more craziness.

Oh henney, you’re trying to ascribe actual motivation to Trump. He has none. He’s a moron and the less people listen to him the better. He has literally zero credibility with the public, and that’s includes his followers. Everyone knows he lies about everything. EVERYONE. He’s the worst possible person to be in a position of ultimate power in this situation. We are completely captain-less in every possible way. He’s insane. Ignore him.

[quote]And for those jumping for joy that the markets are crashing - Just so it may benefit the election - shame on you. Many older retirees are losing money they have saved to live on.

Retirees will be pulling from their bond funds when the stock market is down. The stock losses are temporary and are the reason for holding bonds. If they have been 100% stocks in retirement then shame on them.

[quote] The problem I see now is with containment and slowing progression of spread in Italy and S. Korea. We do have a better public health infrastructure than those two nations...

R110, are you sure sure about that? America’s public health infrastructure is actually quite terrible. South Korea and Italy are up there.

Retirement accounts should not be tied to markets R328. And this will be yet another very painful lesson.

R331 it took Obama months to ask for funding to combat Ebola. It took Trump 32 days to ask for funding for Coronavirus.

People should WANT our country to be doing well - we should want a great economy and low unemployment - so it’s astonishing to me that everyone is jumping up and down at the thought of a recession Which will hurt everyone - just for an election. It’s sick actually.

Poor America. Such decline in health and education. Thanks, GOP.

[quote]People should WANT our country to be doing well - we should want a great economy and low unemployment - so it’s astonishing to me that everyone is jumping up and down at the thought of a recession Which will hurt everyone - just for an election. It’s sick actually.

The economy is great for the Waltons, the Kochs, and Jeff Bezos. When did you last get a meaningful raise?

FTSE Down over £250B. (4-5%) I suspect the Dow & NASDAC shall plummet massively again today. I fear a drop even larger than 1000 points. Both grief and panic are cumulative, and there is momentum now, with oil slipping into the danger zone. There will be no staircases now when people look at graphs in the coming days.

I came down with the flu today, I haven't had it in years.

[quote]Retirement accounts should not be tied to markets

I'm guessing you mean the stock market and for most people this is false. Over the long haul stocks grow much faster than bonds. Most should plan on 30 years of retirement. Investing too conservatively could cause a retiree to out live their money. Generally speaking a retiree should have at least 50% of their money in stocks.

[quote]The Coronavirus isn’t Trumps fault - as unpopular of an opinion that may be here as much as you would like to blame him he can’t control what happened in China.

You're right. He can't control what's happening in China. But he and his crew of turds have spent the last 3+ years lying, gaslighting and deflecting. So it's not hard to see why people might not believe him when he says "We've got this under control." And that's why you're seeing a growing panic in the markets and in the general populace. He has no one to blame for that but himself. Not that he won't continue deflecting the blame.

Well, I have a few sensible shopping suggestions: Buy dishwasher soap if you have a dishwasher.... and use it, especially if you have kids. Use paper plates. buy enough trash bags. Buy Dawn or Palmolive anti bacterial dish washing soap for hand washing. Buy a large package of Dial anti bacterial bars of soap for washing yo ass. Eat out less. Use frozen vegetables. Avoid fast food. Paper towels. Drink gallons of green tea and drink hot water with lemon juice.

Has anyone noticed a disconnect between these threads and the real world? No one I know is stocking up on anything and most people aren't that scared.

Actually I was on PoliticalWire they seem to be catching up to our level of hysteria.

CNN:

California patient with unknown origin of coronavirus is in serious condition, official says

I mean unless you're an infant or elderly or immune compromised, you can survive having this right?

The hand sanitizers are sold out every where I looked. We can use rubbing alcohol right?

R344 Scientific American is on the side of this thread.

[quote] Be ready? But how? It seems to me that some people may be holding back from preparing because of their understandable dislike of associating such preparation with doomsday or “prepper” subcultures. Another possibility is that people may have learned that for many people the disease is mild, which is certainly true, so they don’t think it’s a big risk to them. Also, many doomsday scenarios advise extensive preparation for increasingly outlandish scenarios, and this may seem daunting and pointless (and it is). Others may not feel like contributing to a panic or appearing to be selfish. Forget all that. Preparing for the almost inevitable global spread of this virus, now dubbed COVID-19, is one of the most pro-social, altruistic things you can do in response to potential disruptions of this kind.

R347, children aren't dying for it for some reason.

someone posted some stats from the diamond princess cruise ship...most of the young people infected didn't show any symptoms at all!

I didn't get to see Trump's "Race For The Cure" speech but I just now watched it. I can't believed how he ripped in to Pelosi, and chastised her for doing the right thing. He was so far off point, and #PenceOnTheCase is really frightening. You'd think Ivanka would put a muzzle on him and lock him in the basement.

He's such a vile embarrassment to this country.

This could bring Cheeto down. COVID-19 is horrible, but that could save the nation in the long term.

I suspect he implied told Pence that if Pence screws up, he’s out.

Kudlow, Mnuchin, and one other guy are on the task force.

Cheeto is worried about the stock market, not lives.

r344 you aren't looking in the right place. A relative that works at Costco just told me that a businessman just ordered 2 trailer loads of toilet paper from them. This is not a usual order.

Trump probably believed that scientists in the U.S. could crank out a cure in two weeks or less.

And he would happily $ell it to other countries for a hefty price. That would explain the remark about many Americans not being able to afford the the cost of the vaccine.

r347 anyone can survive.

Trump's sheer stupidity will be his undoing.

I'm watching CBC right now, and there's some team in Montreal that's working on an anti viral drug. They've been invited to start trials in China.

I hope they play trump's reaction to the Corona before the election where he says it's contained. He lies about shit so easily proven false.

R358, stop lying to yourself. If you are old, you are gonna die from this.

Another title idea for the next thread -

Ain't this a BITCH?!! Infected again: The return of Flu Manchu!

- R260

why are people buying zantac ? anti heartburn meds? it doesn't help with the flu.

R355, why do you think Mnuchin is there? It's not because of his medical degree. He probably doesn't even know the difference between Tylenol and Aleve.

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Opinions, please: which kind of thermometer is most accurate? I have a digital, but thinking an old-school glass one might be better.

???

R348, yes, I think that’s the active ingredient in hand sanitizers.

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[quote]Most should plan on 30 years of retirement.

Please sweet baby jesus no, no.

[quote]I suspect he implied told Pence that if Pence screws up, he’s out.

I'm sure he sees a window of opportunity to hang Pence out to dry... and produce a new VP nomination before the fall.

One thing that has to come out of this is a rethink on how the West relates to China. These barbaric, stupid fresh meat markets need to be stamped out (I know there'll be a black market but they cannot be allowed to be part of mainstream life.)

Maybe a lot of manufacturing DOES have to come back form cheap jurisdictions. Maybe this is the lesson. But consumers have to stop whining about higher prices. A shift like that has to have leadership and a voice. Democrats need to speak up.

I'm going off the top of my head here because I'm pissed off because between CNN, DL and NYSE, I'm uneasy today.

My main point is, new conversations aimed at new approaches based on new priorities (whatever they may be) need to be started, settled and acted upon.

CNN-Former White House economist says coronavirus could "absolutely" spark US recession

Former White House economist Kevin Hassett told CNN this morning the coronavirus could “absolutely” spark recession if not contained.

He said that White House economist Peter Navarro is wrong that Apple is an anomaly in terms of taking a hit from the coronavirus. Many industries including airline and oil will also see hits.

Hmmm I know that Staph bacteria live in your sinuses, and you can eliminate them by shoving an antibiotic ointment up your snoot. I wonder if you prep your sinuses before travelling (while wearing glasses and a hood) would help.

CNN-First British coronavirus death is a man from the Diamond Princess cruise ship

A British man who was aboard the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship has died from the novel coronavirus, according to Japan’s Health Ministry on Friday.

He is the first British citizen to die since the virus outbreak.

The man remained in Japan receiving treatment, as dozens more British passengers who were found not to have the virus were evacuated back to the UK.

There are now 19 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK.

CNN-US health official: Lack of coronavirus testing kits a 'bottleneck'

A longtime adviser to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and infectious disease expert said the lack of novel coronavirus test kits has been a “bottleneck.”

“We haven’t been able to test more broadly as many of my colleagues in infectious disease would like,” said Dr. William Schaffner, medical director of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases, said on CNN today.

A flaw in the CDC-issued test kits delayed testing abilities in nearly all state and local public health labs.

The CDC has issued new testing protocols that should allow as many as 40 labs to begin testing soon. And despite the newest US case — a California patient with an infection with an unknown origin — Schaffner was confident about the US response.

“We’re still in very good shape here in the United States. We’ve had very few cases. They’ve been well identified, well cared for, and public health is working hard, having identified all the contacts,” he said. “Now, this California case changes the equation, of course. Where did that person get their infection? That investigation is currently very much under way. And we’re all watching that very, very carefully. So far, so good, but we expect more introductions of the virus. That’s inevitable.”

I will still humbly submit, "My Corona!" as a thread title.

Yes, R369, that's what the guy from Montreal was saying this am on the news. Hopefully they can start the clinical trials in China soon.

Oddly, maybe a recession is somehow a good thing?

A) could clip Trump's wings and get him booted when it all collapses around him (which we always knew it would. Better perhaps now, on the verge of any election, than after it, when he's got four years and lame duck status to allow him indifference to his mess.)

B) better for a Democratic president. Terrible time to inherit but every day that passes is a day closer to recovery... which that President can claim credit for (I mean, it's largely rubbish, the economy largely transcends a President... the cycle does what it will, government just nicks around the edges.)

C) This was always out there, circling, but it never arrived. Maybe now is less awful than later. At least it's triggered.

Seriously the fucking CDC is useless. Other countries like s.korea can test thousands....what the fuck are these useless cunts doing?! our tax dollars are being wasted by these useless fucks! we're doomed.

we will be in further recession if Bernie is elected.

I forgot.. this may be bad for Trump and for free stuff Bernie...

R374, there’s a saline nasal spray that contains xylitol, which kills bacteria. It’s called Xlear, and I use it as soon as I feel a little stuffy with sore throat. You can also use a Neti pot. On a few occasions when I’ve had a sinus infection, I’ve added a little bit of tea tree oil or hydrogen peroxide to the saline solution. It burns a little, but it gets the sinuses good and clean.

Yeah, I mean this could destroy Cheeto. Absolutely. Suddenly people wake up and see that competence and rationality matter. The media need to get on it from that angle. But they may not.

China needs to stop the wildlife trade for good. There's a huge exception for "medicinal" uses in this week's legislation. They need to close that loophole. Please write your country's Chinese ambassador and ask them to close the loophole.

They are banning some wildlife sales and consumption but I think pangolin is not on the list. not all will be banned.

So much of the cruel and destructive poaching is linked to China's love of "witchcraft" medicine. I hate it.

What's the point of being a ruthless dictatorship if you can't score a few points with the west by clamping down on the peasants' voodoo fetish?

around midnight...

GENEVA -- The Geneva auto show was canceled after the Swiss government put an immediate ban Friday on all public and private events involving more than 1,000 people in order to halt the spread of the new coronavirus.

The ban on big events will last until at least March 15, one of the latest major steps by governments to fight an outbreak that has infected more than 82,000 people and killed over 2,700 worldwide. The Swiss move highlights the growing impact of the virus on daily lives and livelihoods. Organizers of the annual Geneva International Motor Show, which was due to run March 5-15 and draws tens of thousands of visitors every year, confirmed the event would be nixed.

Reuters:

Coronavirus risk at very high global level, says WHO's Tedros

The Chinese need to be embarrassed just enough to get them to stop the wildlife trade for good, but not embarrassed so badly that the leadership is insulted and makes defending “traditional medicine” a nationalistic rallying cry.

I’m supposed to be traveling to Costa Rica next week, for a two week vacation. I wasn’t going to cancel, but it gets so much worse by the day. My ticket is non refundable. My coworkers are acting like I’m an idiot for even considering going (my boss actually just cancelled a trip to NYC because he doesn’t want to fly). My fear is that I’ll get there and won’t be able to return, or that I’ll get sick there and not have proper healthcare.

R385 is right because pangolins are used for “medicine” and the ban has a huge exception for “medicinal” uses. It’s pretty pathetic.

Here in Flyover Kansas City Missouri we have surgical gloves 50% off and hand sanitizer half off as well. No shortages. Yeehaw

China embassy link. Contact info at bottom. Urge them to never let this happen again. Stop the wildlife trade completely.

Larry Kudlow live from the White House on CNBC now saying everything will be fine lol.

R391 I have a weekend trip to NYC planned in two weeks, I don't know what to do about it. I find it impossible to believe that there are no cases in NYC, and even if there aren't, who wants to go to an airport?

R395, yes, I'm watching too, I guess that's what he's supposed to do.

R396, are you driving in? it's safer. you will interact with less people. I think they are waiting results on at least 1 or 2 people who are sick, who just came back from Italy. Then there is a group of 83 in long Island they are monitoring...

I 👎 My Corona unless and until the OP of the next thread actually has coronavirus. Yes , Corona and Sharona rhyme, but that's all.

Saturday Night Fever is superior since this thread will be maxing out this evening.

The Trump-loving investment bros are saying "Oh, it could be part of a grand strategy by Trump to prompt panic, save the day, and ensure reelection."

Fucking MORONS.

Link r400?

R401, it's on Twitter, Will Meade (prominent bro investor) being one of them. I'll look for media coverage of it.

Will Meade, R400.

Sorry, for R401.

Look at all the bro comments at the end as well, R401.

I think people are going to demand heads to roll soon. Pence is the first.

Trump wants to cut CDC spending (2021 budget, not yet enacted).

R329, apparently it's not so much the heat but the humidity. It doesn't kill the virus, but it doesn't spread at all when the humidity is high. Warm weather is more humid, so the expectation is that the spread will slow when the weather warms up. We'll see. I think we're still kind of in the dark about how CoronaVirus will behave.

Will warming spring temperatures slow the coronavirus outbreak?

I wonder how true that is R408, Singapore is humid as fuck! 100% humidity and heat!

Iranians spread it to Syria. War in Syria today (Turkey vs. Syria, hundreds dying) sends thousands of Syrians into Turkey. Turkey demands increase of payment from the EU to keep the border closed. Will the EU pay?

Singapore is also heavily air-conditioned.

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I think things are getting a bit foolish in terms of overreaction.

My Corona trays are now worthless!!!

I'm going to Costco today as soon as I find my Frozen 2 goggles; just got my annual Costco refund.

Will report back!

I just hope all this corona hate doesn't turn us against cock.

R415, Frozen 2 goggles?

This is why you don't have a cult run the country.

The VP of Iran(infected) was seen with the President of Iran, I wonder if he passed the virus to the President...

R417: Reference Thread 6; R572.

CNN-More than 20 coronavirus vaccines are in development around the world, WHO says

There are dozens of coronavirus vaccines in development and being studied across the globe, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said during a press briefing in Geneva on Friday.

"“More than 20 vaccines are in development globally, and several therapeutics are in clinical trials. We expect the first results in a few weeks,” Tedros said."

In the meantime, Tedros added that to protect yourself from illness make sure to wash your hands and clean surfaces regularly with disinfectant, among other healthy habits.

Here's what's important. Trump and his administration, Pence, et al, Mulvaney, etc. are muzzling public health officials and experts that are part of the administration like at the CDC and the NIH. They're more concerned with the economics than the health issues and are too stupid to realize the health issues will impact the economic.

I get it. They want to make sure the message is unified, and people are speaking with one voice. But what's happening is muzzling. We have a major public health crisis and he is censoring accurate information if it disagrees with his reality. A whistleblower talking about gross incompetence at the HHS, and people not wearing proper hazmat while they're evacuating people or quarantining people is important. So they threatened the WHistleblower and reassign them with the threat of termination.

Trump is deliberately misleading the public telling people the virus is subsiding, infections slowing etc. Not true. It's spreading. That's wrong. What he needs to understand that the path to abating (not eliminating) the volatility of the stock market lies in projecting stability not telling lies and doing nothing. Putting Pence in charge says they're viewing this through a political damage control prism, and trying to do messaging control.

R415 I spent my costco cash certificate on a new apple watch. But maybe I'll go back today to stock up food - the apple watch was a more urgent purchase a few days ago.

CNN- South Korea has the biggest outbreak outside China, with 2,337 cases.

R404 Not outrageous. Trump has been manipulating the market since he got in. POTUS is the ultimate inside trader.

Well if you go to Costco or Sam's Club buy those large bags of frozen fruits and vegetables. If you do buy fresh make sure to pick up a great big jug of white vinegar to soak then wash the vegetables and fruit.

OMG now even dogs can carry the virus

R347 Little kids usually don't have much symptoms; There was even a newborn that caught the virus from his mother either during pregnancy or at birth, who got rid of the virus in 17 days.

We need to be very afraid of a leader who believes that hiding information and silencing people are his response to a crisis of any kind. Minimize and deny or ignore. He wills it away so he can keep promoting how great he is and how well everything is going.

Mortality seems lowest in South Korea, when it comes to those countries infected in significant numbers. Under 1%.

Coronavirus: New York doctors make diagnosis breakthrough

A team of researchers in Mount Sinai, New York - the first in the US to analyse CT scans of patients - have said they can identify specific patterns in the lungs as markers of the disease.

The study revealed scan analysis could be a viable option for suspected patients and help determine which patients with inconclusive results should be kept in isolation.

The doctors, who published their findings in Radiology, received the scans of 94 patients in China who had been admitted to four medical centers in four Chinese provinces between 18 January and 2 February.

Most of them had traveled to Wuhan or had close contact with an infected patient, the Mount Sinai School of Medicine said.

Of the 36 patients who received scans in zero to two days within reporting symptoms, more than half showed no evidence of lung disease.

In a group of 33 patients who received CT scans three to five days after reporting symptoms, the team observed patterns of “ground-glass opacities” - white patches showing up on the scan which became more round in shape and dense.

In the 25 patients scanned six to 12 days after symptoms, the scans analysis showed fully involved lung disease.

Patterns seen in these images are similar to patterns seen in related outbreaks such as Sars and Mers.

“Recognizing imaging patterns based on infection time course is paramount for not only understanding the disease process and natural history of COVID-19 but also for helping to predict patient progression and potential complication development, “ said lead author Adam Bernheim, assistant professor of diagnostic, molecular and interventional radiology at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai.

Doctors said when patients first report symptoms of possible COVID-19, they are nonspecific, often resembling a common cold, so it can be difficult to diagnose and confirmatory tests by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can take several days.

It also cited that the study allows hospitals in the United States and worldwide to confirm or rule out coronavirus based on CT images.

If lung scans for patients with early symptoms are inconclusive, doctors can consider holding the patient in isolation for a few days until a decisive verdict can be made.

Prof Bernheim added: “This is necessary for prompt diagnosis for any individual patient (which will lead to more rapid and effective care), but also for patient isolation to prevent the spreading of the highly contagious disease.”

They can trial those vaccines on the Chinese. If some of 'em die, tough. They owe us. You want a soup of snake heads, koala balls and bat cum, roll up your sleeve.

This is all China's fault!!! FUCK THOSE CHINESE CUNTS!!!

Take care eldergays. DL won't survive with you all. Don't go out that much. Not that you all really go out much anyway.

no deaths in singapore despite 98 cases.

I suspect mortality rates will be strongly related to average national IQ. Careful, America.

When he announced Pence was in charge...the VP looked grim as fuck. He knows he is the fall guy...sorry Mikie

For Trump, cornering Pence this way demonstrates an uncharacteristic cunning that's almost creative.

Probably Kellyanne's idea.

Trump doesn't need Pence anymore: the evangelicals are behind him 100%. He needs to fool moderate (some former) Republicans now. Nikki Haley.

Gropenführer's press secretary characterizing news reports on the pandemic as "hoax of the day."

Are Trump strategists really so dumb? I say no. Right now they're dealing with his bullshit but get ready for the pivot. If this gets worse Trump will realize he has a ready made excuse for a bad economy. No one can blame him for an act of God. But to pivot he'll have to allow public health experts to do their job. Will he?

yeah, but he's gonna do a shitty job handling the virus. CDC can't even make proper tests kits and testing takes 4 days...wait till more and more people are sick and they don't have enough tests...it's a shit show waiting to happen.

Pope is dying! He's got the virus for sure...

All the Trumpers on CNBC are desperate to spin this as an opportunity to buy - and that the reality is exaggerated.

r374 Viruses are different from bacteria, and antibiotics are of no use against them. Putting antibiotics into your nose is not going to protect you from corona virus. Only a vaccine and/or a medication like tamiflu (nothing of that sort effective against coronavirus so far) would be effective in protecting a person against the virus - other than self-isolation for the duration, which is not very practical.

CNN-Both Illinois coronavirus patients have fully recovered, governor says

Both US novel coronavirus patients from Illinois have fully recovered and returned home, Gov. J. B. Pritzker said at a press conference Friday morning.

The state is taking several precautionary measures in the coming weeks, Pritzker says. Illinois is one of a few states able to test for coronavirus, next week it will be expanding to two additional testing labs outside of Cook County; one in central Illinois and one in southern Illinois, Pritzker said. This is a "cautionary measure" to respond to any potential cases, Pritzker said.

Voluntary testing will also be available in select hospitals in the state, according to Pritzker.

The best thing the general public can do is "continue with the same precautions that you take during flu season," Pritzker said.

cnn-World Health Organization says drug manufacturers affected by coronavirus are starting to come back online

The World Health Organization has been monitoring the impact of the novel coronavirus on the global supply of active pharmaceutical ingredients, Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the World Health Organization’s Health Emergencies Programme, said today during a press briefing, and it is concerned.

“We do believe, though, with the decreasing incidence in China, that many companies who do produce these APIs are beginning to come back online,” Ryan said.

"“So while there is a big slump in supply, we believe that’s being switched on again. We continue to monitor that.”"

The US Food and Drug Administration announced Thursday the country’s first novel coronavirus-related drug shortage. The maker of an unnamed drug that has recently been added to the FDA Drug Shortages list told the agency that the shortage is due to the novel coronavirus. Earlier in the week, the agency said it had identified 20 drugs that either solely sourced their active pharmaceutical ingredients, or produced finished drug products, from or in China.

CNN-3 Italian soccer players test positive for coronavirus

The US Pianese, a soccer club in the Italian region of Tuscany, has confirmed that three of its players plus one of its staff members have tested positive for coronavirus, according to a statement.

The club has not released the names for the four patients.

The first case, a football player, was assisted by the team’s doctor after showing symptoms such as fever and headache on Saturday, and was later transferred to Siena’s Hospital, the statement says.

After that, the team “followed the instructions of the Ministry of Health” and the staff was put on quarantine and underwent a swab test.

The results revealed that three more people tested positive: two football players who are asymptomatic and quarantined in their own homes, and a collaborator who was taken to Siena’s hospital by ambulance after spending Thursday night with a high fever.

“As of now, every player, technical staff and managers present at the events of last weekend are in a 15-day fiduciary quarantine, in their own homes, and no one is showing symptoms of the COVID-19”, the club stated on Facebook.

BBC: We at #BBC have learned from our sources in hospitals across #Iran that death tool due to #coronavirus is 210 so far. The official government number stands at 34.

Trumpty Dumpty is going to hit the campaign trail. All that filthy hand shaking, coughing, and sneezing amidst the southern deplorables who never wash their hands and can't even spell "sanitizer."

The Hill: Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases was told to “stand down” and not appear on five Sunday morning talk shows to discuss the coronavirus.

According to Rep. John Garamendi (D-Calif.), Fauci was scheduled to do all five major Sunday talk shows, but Fauci canceled the appearances after Vice President Pence took over the administration’s response to the disease.

“I can repeat what he said, he said, ‘I was not muzzled. However, I was to go on the Sunday talk shows, five of them. The vice president’s office then took over the control of this situation, and told me to stand down, not to do those shows,'” Garamendi said, quoting Fauci.

[quote] Has anyone noticed a disconnect between these threads and the real world? No one I know is stocking up on anything and most people aren't that scared.

If people are smart they're not telling a soul that they're stocking up because a) they know at this point cowokers/family will laugh and b) those very same people will call them crying in two weeks saying "you were so right, please can you share your food ? I can't feed my kids" and those who'll have prepared early will be branded as assholes if they don't share. It's a lose-lose situation.

Stock up and keep quiet.

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What 452 said !

I was amazed at how many people are posting about how much they're stockpiling, and what they're stockpiling. Gourmet foods, quinoa and spices, give me a break. Beans, pasta, rice, drink mix bottled H²O, any thing that doesn't need refrigeration.

If we survive you can celebrate tofu lasagna or bean curd burritos.

Common sense is the word of the day.

Cases in Italy continue to rise

31m ago 17:25

Four more people have died in Italy from coronavirus, Reuters reports the country’s civil protection agency as saying on Friday.

The latest deaths bring the total in Italy to 21, while the number of those testing positive for the illness jumped to 821 from 650 the day before.

Wow - 450 posts on this thread in one day! What, me worry? Nawwww. Well, not that much. Ok, a little bit.

34 min ago 3 Italian soccer players test positive for coronavirus From CNN's Mia Alberti

The US Pianese, a soccer club in the Italian region of Tuscany, has confirmed that three of its players plus one of its staff members have tested positive for coronavirus, according to a statement.

The club has not released the names for the four patients.

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I'm not a worrier by nature, but this does have me thinking.

Maybe I should have payed more attention at Vacation Bible School.

Now it comes from chemtrails r458?

Screw the Diet Coke.

I'm stockpiling the Yukon Jack and Ginger Ale.

Going tomorrow for another stockpile. Agree with r452, I'm just doing this quietly. Chatting with the neighbour yesterday, and he and his wife (both retired) in late 60s, are "aware" of the virus and concerned. They've been discussing among themselves need to shop for extra items and are slowly starting to do this. But yeah, my gut says to do what you gotta do, do it quietly, calmly, which is what I've been doing. Not seeing any panic at all where I am but there are teachers on my street. Was reading teachers are looking to the government (Province of Nova Scotia) for direction and none is forthcoming as yet. Nothing substantive at national level either which is kind of errie. Trudeau's attention seems to be on First Nations blockade of railway stations. -- And musn't forget - Denying the Sussex's their Canadian-subsidized security protection past March.

R426 anything else, Babe?

Do you want me to swing by the pharmacy and see if your prescription's ready? Should I pick up a pound of cocktail shrimp and a kale salad or are we going off keto now since we're going to die?

Reporting from the ground in Manhattan. Very few face masks on UES and in flower district. Plenty of tourists. Drugstores in my neighborhood have plenty of OTC medicine, alcohol, gloves. Didn’t look for masks. My SIL said they’re rationing hand sanitizer at her local non-chain drugstore. Supermarkets seem to be stocked as usual. Husband is going to shop this weekend and stock up the weekend house.

Fuck you all

My job is done

I have seen people on other sites saying that they’re stocking up, and the grocery stores in my area are running low on cold meds...I bought the last thermometer at my store yesterday. I don’t have any friends or family members that are stocking up yet. I think that our subgroup spends more time online, and we are better educated on the subject (we also feed into each other’s anxiety). I hate to be an ass, but I don’t think I’ll be sharing outside of my immediate family (and even then it’s questionable).

I guess I'd better stock up on my Lavazza espresso pods that come from northern Italy.

Not surprising, but still.

[quote] At least 210 coronavirus patients have died in Iran - far more than officially admitted - Iranian health sources tell BBC

Hope that source is staying safe somewhere.

R341 Did you really mean to say 50% of one's portfolio, or 50% of one's money? Totally different things really. Younger retirees/pensioners can be rather risky with a 50% asset allocation in equities/stocks, and preferably some mutual funds that invest in the stock markets. However 50% of all money (or net worth) should never be exposed for older retirees. Better to use real property and other vehicles for growth.

My mum was greedy like that. I urged her to change into bond funds, currencies, other ETFs, etc., but she followed your style of advice and seemed not averse to risk. She's now lost a bit over £135K which she will never see again at the age of seventy-six. She has health problems as well.

People ought to pay attention to age-specific pie charts for their asset allocation and continually (annually) reconsider their risk. Half in is madness after a certain age. Thankfully her children own the home she lives in, and that she has a gay childless son (me) to see her through.

I'm older, live alone, and have owned a handgun for years. I'm trained and certified in proper handling and usage.

I've never had to use it, but one never knows. I'll be buying some extra ammo.

Scary article.

Coronavirus Test Kits Sent to States Are Flawed, C.D.C. Says

Some tests distributed by the agency deliver “inconclusive” readings. The C.D.C. will need to ship new ingredients, further delaying results. Some of the coronavirus testing kits sent to state laboratories around the country have flaws and do not work properly, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Wednesday.

The kits were meant to enable states to conduct their own testing and have results faster than they would by shipping samples to the C.D.C. in Atlanta. But the failure of the kits meant that states that encountered problems with the test should not use it, and would still have to depend on the C.D.C.’s central lab, which could cause several days’ delay in getting results.

“Obviously, a state wouldn’t want to be doing this test and using it to make clinical decisions if it isn’t working as well, as perfectly, at the state as it is at C.D.C.,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at a news conference on Wednesday.

R462 here. I stand corrected. Queckers told to avoid "double cheek kisses."

I think most people are just starting to hear about it. I did my third and final stock up today and i think i scared some people with the dozen bottles of sanitizers and bleach in my cart.

Go get your must haves now, stores in my area are running low on disinfecting items as well as cold & cough meds.

R471 I do believe it's high time America ask for help from other nations for test kits. Even the province of Ontario has tested more patients than the entire US. Test kits from CDC are rubbish. Not testing is spreading virus. Everyone ought to assume suspected individuals are infected, rather than the opposite whe so many in question go untested.

One has to reasonably assume considering the for profit health system, that x-rays and CT scans are not gping to be used as diagnosis tools when so many Americans cannot afford them. Individuals who have demanded tests, and received them without insurance pre-authorisation have been billed $3200 and $3500 in two cases. Cost is said to be $1150. The rest is pure profit. Americans never do as many labs in treating patients, compared to countries with comprehensive state healthcare. Something to ponder really.

I haven’t seen anything running low at all, just going to contradict this thread, and I’ve been to multiple stores and Costcos. Everything is in stock. In NJ and NY. My feeling being out in public is people aren’t paying attention yet. I’m stocking up slowly and assuredly, but I’m not seeing any signs of stocking panic, at all. The Costco clerks I’ve spoken to said nothing is happening. Not to say it WON’T, because I think in two weeks it will be quite a different story, but for now, quietly stock and you should be fine.

This is the official US strategy. They want to sell the virus as a "normal" flu and hope for the best. Of course, they avoid any mention of the mortality rate relative to the normal flu. China has not shut down major cities because of a "normal" flu. They are not wearing protective gear because of a "normal" flu. They are not sealing people n their homes because of a "normal" flu. They ARE NOT jeopardising tjeir entire economy because of a fucking "normal " flu. Sadly, this strategy is working on some based on several ignorant comments that I've seen on this site and others regarding flu comparisons.

50m ago 18:09

The acting White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, has accused the media of stoking fear over the coronavirus as a plot to take down Donald Trump, Politico reports.

Speaking at a conservative activist conference in Maryland, Mulvaney suggested the coronavirus was not as serious as other viral outbreaks.

At any particular time, 20 million people in this country are going to have the flu. The flu kills people, it does. This is not Ebola, OK? And I’ll tell you what that means in a sense.

It’s not Sars. It’s not Mers. Why do we say that? When you look at the severity of diseases, one of the ways you can look at it is looking at the percentage of people who get it who die. I know that’s sort of hard-hearted, but that’s sort of how we look at it.

But Mulvaney added that the US would “probably” experience school closures as Covid-19 continued to spread around the world.

Are you going to see some schools shut down? Probably. May you see impacts on public transportation? Sure. But we do this. We know how to handle this.

So, that’s one of the things – that’s the kind of message you try to get out. There are professionals who know how to handle this.”

Thanks r474. Good post. It's funny, as a fellow Canadian, it's so easy to take for granted our health care system. But when a crisis happens, it's such a comfort to know we can get reasonably good health care in comparison to neighbour to the south. I watched Trump at the news conference downplaying this entire pandemic (whatever is its current definition) and it just made me feel sorry for our American cousins. They desperately need leadership today and it's just not there.

That news about CDC making flawed test kits is OLD NEWS! They were supposed to be coming up with new and improved ones but still no luck! That was weeks ago! WTF are they doing over there?!

I don’t know what it’s like in Canada. But I made an emergency stop at an urgent care facility and was seen quickly. And cleared!

The Trump admin is really downplaying the potential severity of this. If they're wrong, that's it for them, unless it can all be piled onto Pence.

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CNN-Spain coronavirus cases reach 34

There are 32 patients in quarantine — six in Andalusia, one in Aragon, two Castilla Leon, 10 in Valencia, five in Canary Islands, five in Madrid and three in Catalonia.

Two people have recovered: one in Canary Island and one in The Balearic Islands

Will poppers be rationed?

Why is everyone in the US in a state of panic? Your president says no big deal, everything's ok, just like a cold, small problem, cure soon, Pelosi is a superbitch, Mikey's on the case, we'll all be fine, warmer weather on the way, face masks are coming, don't use handrails unless you have to, wash those hands, clean yourself off, wipe from back to front (or is it front to back?), make sure your Big Mac is thoroughly cooked and your fries are really hot, blah, blah,blah.........

You guys are so fortunate to have Mr. High IQ running the nation!

cnn-There are now 821 coronavirus cases in Italy

Angelo Borrelli, head of the Italian Civil Protection Agency, said there are 821 coronavirus cases in the country.

Borelli explained that 412 of the cases did not show symptoms and are currently in home isolation:

“It is important to refer that, from the 821 people affected, half of them – 412 – are people that are asymptomatic or have light symptoms and don’t need to be hospitalized, so they are in domiciliary isolation. 445 people are recovering at the hospital, with symptoms, and 64 are in intensive care”, he said.

The Italian official also announced that the death toll is currently 21.

“Regarding the people who died, these are people in their 80s and 70s and the coronavirus might just be an added complication. Now the National Health Institute will work to certify the cause of death," he said.

“[Those who died] were at an advanced age and they already have a lot of other symptoms and diseases before the coronavirus. So the virus entered an already-complicated clinical scenario.”

Regarding the overflow and lack of conditions in hospitals, the Italian official said: “I can confirm [this situation]. We have received the information that more than 200 people are waiting to be visited [by doctors]. But this morning we heard the situation has been normalized.”

CNN-Iran suspends Parliament sessions until further notice

Iran’s government also announced today that universities and schools nationwide will be closed until Monday.

People buying SPAM and canned stuff risk being miserable eating them if it's not what they normally like. They'll end up venturing outside after three days to buy better stuff (unless they're very strong willed) so their prep will be a waste of money and they will feel defeated. It's really essential to stock up on stuff you like.

The Daily Fail is full of shit. There’s no place that the shelves are “stripped bare.” This is America, henney, not China or Europe. My sister lives in SoCal and said people aren’t even responding yet. Like I said, maybe in a few weeks or so, but it’s not happening now. People aren’t awake on this subject. 95% of the population doesn’t know that the stock market is crashing. People just don’t watch or pay attention to the news until things start to get really bad, and even then.

I can tell you that in midtown manhattan, I've gone to at least 6 stores and there are no hand sanitizers left. I'm sure they will re-stock soon, that stuff isn't made in China so no worries.

When you're really, really hungry, and you have limited access to food supplies, you may long for what you love, but you'll happily settle for what's available.

I like funny Darfur O better than platitudes Darfur O.

Cheers R477. I currently live in the US, but I'm a Brit expat. It really is a different form of "doctoring" here... up until recently (10-15 yrs ago) they used to simply toss the script for antibiotics at you, and triage that way, rather than take specimen, and order labs. Now they simply assume everything is virus, and hold off on the antibiotics. Don't believe either is good really. NHS sucks if one has the Cancer, but all in all they do better for much all else.

Canadian healthcare can be said to be leagues better than the NHS. Both are better than the American system, as even the smallest things suffer if the patient is poor or working class. The small amount of care I've received here has been abysmal, and off the charts expensive. If I needed an organ transplant, or cancer however, I'm quite confident I would receive proper care, but honestly, only because I'm lucky enough to afford it. It's downright scandalous the situation of testing here presently. I've been complaining about it since the beginning It's either masterful propaganda, or utter failure, depending on one's POV.

Hand sanitizer doesn’t do shit. You have to wash your hands for at least twenty seconds. No one cares about that. It’s like saying oh I’m going to buy this painter’s mask and wear it for six hours and I’ll be perfectly ok. Lol. No, you won’t. Hand sanitizer is not going to stop the spread of anything, much less a virulent pathogen. Ffs.

Check r492’s papers

I'm trying to find an updated record on the number of coronavirus cases in London but can't find anything. Just a single case recorded two weeks ago. Is London incredibly lucky or does this smell of a cover up?

R492, is NHS free, even to see specialists?

I vote Darfur O to replace Mike Pence.

Just look at his experience ....... He's survived Ebola and the locust plague, losing his parents, and life in a Catholic Orphanage.

R495, according to CNN. New cases in UK linked to Iran, infections reach 19.

Two people in England and one in Wales have tested positive for coronavirus, bringing the total in the United Kingdom up to 19, according to the UK Department of Health and Social Care.

The two patients in England contracted the virus while in Iran and have been transferred to specialist NHS infection centers at the Royal Free Hospital in London, the department says.

European nations are trying to contain transmissions of the virus across the region, as Italy struggles with an outbreak in its north. Cases in the UK, France, Switzerland, Croatia, Austria and Spain have been linked to the Italian cluster.

R330, my guess is it can’t live long on surfaces in that heat, so outdoors at least it may die quickly. But I bet it may not make a lot of difference in air conditioned office buildings and hotels. 79 is 79 no matter what it is outside.

The other issue is that if somebody coughs right in your face, it doesn’t matter if it can’t live on surfaces. So if it gets in refugee camps or hospitals or hotels, or poor, cramped neighborhoods, it will probably go through like wildfire. Whether it burns out of people more quickly because of the heat will be interesting to see.

England:

20 cases

8 recoveries

O in serious condition

O deaths

Sorry to hear about your experience r492 and sorry for assuming you were Canadian. I assumed when you mentioned health care system in Canada that you were 'one of us.'

Sorry to hear about your experience r492 and sorry for assuming you were Canadian. I assumed when you mentioned health care system in Canada that you were 'one of us.'

R344, go on Reddit. And they have a pretty large circulation.

My cat put his head on the keyboard and off went my message (r502) when I wasn't finished. The people I was thinking about during Trump's press conference were the working poor, the poor and people who are destitute on the streets. I'm not a big Bernie Sanders fan by any means but geez this virus is lining up right alongside his own ethics, beliefs and political views. Maybe the virus and election cycle will produce an important "awakening" among the electorate in the U.S. that a strong military, stock markets, trade, etc NEED healthy people to run them or make them happen.

Unhealthy Masses of People or Dead People = No Stock Market Growth

R496 Comprehensive care is included; if your clinician(s) deem a specialist is needed, you escalate. There can be long waits (cancer diagnosis not being one of the best or most timely for example). Some things can be denied however, if not deemed essential.

Most specialists are salaried positions in NHS, however many do work as private doctors. Very rich often use private specialists, yet use health service for general care, and minor complaints.

R502 No offense taken! I'm quite keen on Canadians. I hold a degree in public health, and must say I find Canada has a leading public health programme. If America were not so proud, I suspect Canada would help her if she were to ask.

The stock market is only giving up gains that it made in the last year. One year ago the DOW closed a 25,000. 3 years ago, it was 21,000. If your entire retirement is relying on gains made in just one or three years, that's akin to living off your lottery winnings. There has been an incredible run up since Trump was elected, so I don't think it's out of the ordinary that the market is giving that back. If we go below 20000, then I would start to get really nervous.

If the 200+ deaths that BBC is reporting in Iran are correct, there may be thousands of infected cases there rather than hundreds based on the reported mortality rates worldwide

My feeble suggestion for next thread title : Don’t blame it on the good times, blame it on the fluey

Next?

New CNN term: Economic Pandemic.

If Bernie is elected after all this, there will be no money at all for anything he wants to do and all his promises will go unfulfilled. There will be a Coronavirus recession that will add to the deficit. And the next President will bear the brunt of it. Anyone responsible will take a step back and not try to spend money we won’t have.

The Republican will win after four years of complete ineffectiveness by Bernie and the country will get sent straight into the shitter again by Trump 2.0.

R389, But not a “Pandemic,” is that what he’s trying to say?

There was never gonna be a Medicare for all, you dumb cunts! Even AOC said so. I can't believe people are so dumb to believe it.

No one has mentioned there has been a case declared in N. Ireland now as well. There has also sadly been a British death, but I believe it's a case from The Damned Princess. I believe the patient died in Japan, but my memory doesn't serve clearly.

It may have already been mentioned, but a Pomeranian has tested positive for virus in HK yesterday. The pup's master has virus, and the pup is in isolation for 14 days. I thought Chinese killing pets seemed cruel and draconian, but it shall prove quite scary if pets and other animals are carriers or spreaders. I continue to wonder if this virus has mutated again.

At some stage, I'm there will be a Coronavirus Freakout thread on Which Industries Are Shutting Down in your Neighbourhood?.

R514, Yes, it has already been mentioned, I think in the previous thread. The man passed thru Dublin on his way to N.Ireland.

Yes, the man died in Japan (from cruise ship).

They are now saying incubation period may be as much as 24 days...on NY1 news.

40 days incubation, r517. This was mentioned two threads ago.

R506 I think dramatic losses are very hard for older people to make up, so the feelings differ based on age. Some may not be living off those previous gains today, but it doesn't make older folks comfortable to think they may not live long enough to get it back. We really have no idea what may come to pass. Some feel we're all in unchartered waters.

Kinna Hora to your last words.

JAMA report released today suggests incubation period may be as much as 24 days.

When will air travel and hotels get cheaper?

Why would anyone post their stockpile on social media for all the riff raff to see?

That makes no sense. Where do you think they will be coming if their kids are starving?

That would be a great thread! Dataloungers, post pics of your Corona Stockpile! It's an anonymous board, only the lunatic fringe of DL would be paranoid about it.

Manhattan report. Jacks 99 cent on W 32nd had no hand sanitizer. Stopped at a non-chain drug store uptown, and there were three bottles of Purell left, and they were $7.99. That’s for the 8 oz size. Fuck that. There was plenty of rubbing alcohol and hydrogen peroxide.

I have a bunch of small ones at home, and it’s easy enough to make your own. I have all the ingredients.

Also a reminder that Lysol and Listerine can kill germs, and may not be on everyone’s radar to purchase. I imagine cheap vodka can kill some shit, too.

Dont they have hand sanitizer on Amazon?

R524, thanks for the report! I have lots of bleach at home, just gonna use it to clean surfaces at home. I usually stock up when essential items go on sale so I don't have to stock up on anything...

Hoarder?

Guys, relax on the hand sanitizer, they will be restocked soon.

Also can someone tell me what is the difference between rubbing alcohol and isopropyl alcohol?

CNN-"The Amazing Race" suspends production because of coronavirus

CBS is temporarily suspending the production of “The Amazing Race” due to “increased concerns and uncertainty regarding the coronavirus around the world,” a CBS spokesperson said in a statement to CNN.

Out of an abundance of caution, all contestants and production staff are in the process of returning home and will be monitored. When production was suspended, the contestants had only visited England and Scotland, according to the statement.

No contestants or anyone on the production team has contracted the virus or shown symptoms. CBS is not aware of anyone being exposed, the statement says.

[italic] DOW JONES DOWN ALMOST 4,000 POINTS THIS WEEK AMID FEARS OF CORONA VIRUS !

"post pics of your Corona Stockpile! It's an anonymous board, only the lunatic fringe of DL would be paranoid about it. "

Yeah well make sure to only upload a screencap of the picture and not the picture straight from your smartphone because they contain the Exif data (time stamp, geolocation, etc).

Or use a website that strips the Exif data first.

If this shit makes my dog sick, there is going to be hell to pay. Also, I have an alcoholic friend that swears that he hasn’t had a cold or the flu in 20 years. He drinks so much that nothing wants to live in his body. He looks like shit, but it may be a temporary solution. I may add vodka to my stock up list.

On Madison Avenue a few hours I saw an old lady yell at a stranger “I hope you get the virus!” Oh dear.

If you are that pressed about hanitizer, you can make your own with rubbing alcohol. There’s still plenty of that on the shelves in Manhattan.

ALDI'S hand sanitizer 99¢ for an 8 oz. bottle.

Dollar General $3.50 for a 32 oz bottle of sanitizer.

Get crackin', nervous bitches !

So true about heavy drinkers. I was an alchy for years while living in NYC and never ever got sick. When I gave up the sauce the germs started flowing in. And yes, it was vodka.

Aldi's hand sanitizer, with it's lemon fresh fragrance, is my favorite.

😁 😁 😁 😁 😁 One of our local Girl Scout Troops is having a Cookie Blitz this weekend, hoping to earn enough money to finance their planned trip to Europe this June.

My Aldi keeps selling out if sanitizer an hour after the am truck arrives. Wonder if they will limit qtys you can buy soon?

There was a dog in Hong Kong that tested positive (weak positive) for the coronavirus. The owner (human) tested positive for the coronavirus. Bother are quarantined.

Many schools in Belgium, Holland and France are on spring/winter break until 1 March. It's a very popular time for families to go on ski holidays to surrounding countries including nothern Italy. I suspect we will see some outbreaks in these countries in the coming days from people returning home

25 seconds = one verse of God Save the Queen. Now go wash your hands.

This thread is going to max out soon. So one of you lazy whores bitching about the title better be ready to start a new thread. Probably should do it around 580. Be sure to post a link to it in this thread and a link back to this one in the new thread.

Toodle-flu!

CoronaVirus Freakout 9: Electric Booga-flu is my contribution for the next thread.

my contribution : coronavirus Freakout 9: Armageddon flu

In my mid-Atlantic area, CVS, Walgreens and Safeway have been extremely low or out of hand sanitizer for 2 weeks. Today I went to Lowes and they still had a plethora of cleaning and disinfecting products Lysol, Chlorox wipes, bleach.

my contribution: Coronavirus Freakout 9: What's a few germs between frenulums?

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Coronavirus Freakout 9: Turn your head and cough

You shouldn't post pics of your stockpile, no matter how proud you are of it.

One of your hookups might recognize your living room furniture.

Have you used “Pleased to meet flu”?

It’s unreal that Fox News is more concerned about CNN talking about the risks rather than the story itself. They don’t even half attempt to be a news outlet anymore

I don't know the words, R542.

Can I sing Radio GaGa instead?

Trump's analysis is totally FLUBAR.

Antarctica is the only continent that is Corona Free.

Don Jr is worse than his father (from CNN)

Donald Trump Jr. is Donald Trump in extremis. If the President pushes boundaries, his oldest son crashes through them with glee.

Witness this interview that Don Jr. did with "Fox & Friends" on Friday morning: Brian Kilmeade: And so now we're getting to sprint towards November for -- to -- to see if your dad can get four more years. Are you surprised the way they've been handling the coronavirus situation, meaning Democrats? Don Jr.: Not at all. I mean, we've seen -- like you said, we've seen this play out for four years. Anything that they can use to try to hurt Trump, they will. Anything he does in a positive sense, like you heard from the reporter that was just suspended from ABC, they will not give him credit for. The playbook is old at this point. But for them to try to take a pandemic and seemingly hope that it comes here, and kills millions of people so that they could end Donald Trump's streak of winning, is a new level of sickness. You know, I don't know if this is coronavirus or Trump derangement syndrome, but these people are infected badly. OK, so. The President's eldest son, who has made no secret of his interest in running for office and maybe even president in the future, is suggesting that Democrats are rooting for coronavirus to come to the United States and kill "millions of people" solely so that they might have a better chance of winning in November. What can you say about that line of logic? At its most basic level, this sort of stuff from Don Jr. is deeply irresponsible. What he is conflating is the Democratic criticism of the Trump administration for both a lack of preparedness and a lack of seriousness in terms of public statements about the threat posed by coronavirus with, somehow, Democrats rooting for Americans to die en masse. Trump Jr. has to know that's not what is going on here. No matter what you think of Democrats or Republicans, the idea that a political party would be actively rooting for people to get sick and die is beyond ludicrous. No rational person -- even if you disagree with every single policy Democrats push -- can think that. What Trump Jr. is doing here then is using rhetorical hyperbole for the political benefit of his father. It's a tactic he got from his dad, after all. The President has repeatedly referred to Democrats as "really evil people" and "horrible." He has suggested that Speaker Nancy Pelosi uses religion as a crutch. He has insinuated that any number of Democrats -- Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, California Rep. Adam Schiff -- have major mental problems. What Don Jr. did on Friday morning is simply take this dehumanizing of political opponents to its logical conclusion: These people are evil, so they are doing what evil people do -- root for millions of deaths so they can win a political race Again, there is no way that Don Jr. actually believes this. He's just throwing red meat to a conservative base that has been primed -- by his father -- to believe the absolute worst about Democrats or, really, anyone who disagrees with the President on anything. That someone in such a prominent position would do so is shocking, although it probably shouldn't be, since the apple rarely falls that far from the tree.

Why do we need to read that propaganda? I don’t want it in my brain. Post a warning.

Anyone going to the local Lenten Fish Fry, where the fish is always hand cut, hand dipped, hand battered, and deep fried in recycled cooking oil. And the old women don't wear gloves and rarely wash their hands?

YUM !

CNN-Florida is currently monitoring 150 people for coronavirus

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said that 700 people who have returned from China have been monitored for coronavirus in the state. Of those, 150 are still being monitored, 15 have tested negative and 4 are “under investigation.”

What this means: Being “monitored” means the person is self-isolated and with limited contact — keeping at least 6-feet distance — with others. The individual also checks his or her temperature twice a day. If the person develops symptoms, they are asked to contact the state.

The people who have been tested for Coronavirus have exhibited symptoms like coughing and fever. The four people who are “under investigation” exhibited respiratory symptoms.

DeSantis made this announcement after meeting with Vice President Mike Pence in West Palm Beach.

DeSantis said he expressed that one of the biggest issues the state is dealing with is not being able to test for coronavirus locally. The Florida governor said he would like to have testing done in Jacksonville, Tampa and Miami.

CNN-Mexico confirms its second case of coronavirus

Mexico’s health ministry has “confirmed two cases of coronavirus in Mexico, the first in the capital and the second in Sinaloa,” the Mexican government said on its official Twitter Friday.

CTV News - Joyce Napier on Covid-19: Health Minister said earlier in the week "Go Buy" things, go buy water, an awkward statement from Health Minister. In other words, nothing being done in Canada.

You have free health care in Canada, no need to worry!

My pencil pusher CDC contact reports only pushing pencils at the airbase. So that’s reassuring. Deployment ends soon and back to regular work.

The US State Department has declared the virus EAR99 so need to get a license before shipping overseas.

And a plug for Virus of a Thousand Talents as a future thread title.

They’re out of tests, that’s why the US has no new cases.

I loathe Trump, but Don Jr. might be even more vile and could actually see him go full sociopath.

NYC will get back the results of that patient who just came back from Italy.

Second person in California confirmed to have coronavirus of unknown origin.

New York Is Making Its Own Coronavirus Test After The CDC’s Test Has Repeatedly Failed

Hong Kong is testing over a thousand people a day for coronavirus, while the US has only tested a total of 445 — partially because the CDC’s test didn’t work.

Federal health officials met with state and city public health labs on Wednesday to fix a crippling lack of options to diagnose the novel coronavirus, a shortfall driven by botched CDC testing kits. As a result, New York state and New York City are moving forward with developing their own test to detect the virus.

The lack of adequate testing capabilities was spotlighted on Wednesday evening, when the CDC announced delayed results of the first potential case of a person contracting COVID-19 from “community spread,” meaning they got sick without traveling to China or being exposed to anyone known to have the virus.

CDC are such useless cunts!!! people are not tested and infecting people and people are gonna die because of these useless cunts! The head of CDC should be fired!

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I just got back from Costco and everything was fully stocked, you damn dummies!

I felt ridiculous buying to large cans of coffee and a gallon of avocado oil. I even put my 20lbs of flour back on the shelf.

Pffft.

My throat feels scratchy. I’m scared.

R571 why would you do that? Costco will be packed this weekend with panic buyers. You should have just bought the stuff and left quietly

My apartment is too small. I can't buy anything else, but I did manage to snag a box of 400 of those thin surgical gloves from Costco for $20. They were almost sold out.

I was at Walmart and Target today. They both seemed unusually busy today, but the shelves were fully stocked.

R571, I felt stupid buying a cart full of water, toilet paper, and cold medication too. I told the cashier that my partner was sick.

I forgot to mention when I posted earlier that the businessman that ordered 2 tractor trailer loads of toilet paper ordered it in one of the Brooklyn Costco's. So you may not see a shortage now but when it comes time to stock that toilet paper there may not be any to stock.

R576, why do you even need to explain? they should be happy that you're buying a lot, more money for them.

Nobody knows how these people got the coronavirus because they were slow to act, didn't even test people and they are out there infecting people. The CDC is to blame.

Also, Costco has the -itidine heartburn pills people here keep on about, 250 pills for $11.

Australian Prime Minster Scott Morrison has announced that Australia WILL NOT be closing their borders.

They will consider travel bans on countries where the virus is out of control but once its everyone they aren't going to close the borders (unless he is just saying that so as the to spoke the already tumbling economy).

That is so fucked up - island countries have a slight advantage at keeping the virus at bay for a period of time. To let people

R581 continued: To continue to let people in when you could stem the flow is ridiculous. They have just lost the next election BIG TIME.

Flu me once - shame on you. Flu me twice - shame on me.

How many current reinfection cases? What's with the two cases from the US and Germany who claim no contact with anyone at any time yet still came down with the virus. Watched a news segment. Anchor insisted that they must have contracted virus through handing their own MAIL? *hard, hard side-eye*

It's in the air, y'all.... Sang it Linda Ronstadt: "I'm goin' back some day - Come what may - to Flu Bayou......"

They got the virus from people who were not showing any symptoms....these people probably didn't even know they are infected. who knows? CDC is clueless and can't even make test kits!

I'm waiting for smoke to appear above papal apartments.

CNN-Monaco reports its first case of coronavirus

A person admitted Friday morning to the Princess Grace Hospital in Monaco, a country in western Europe, has tested positive for coronavirus, according to Monaco's official government Twitter account.

One person who the patient came into contact with has been confined at home.

An investigation is underway to trace the patient’s movements and identify the individuals the patient has been in contact with.

Those people are not preppers. No prepper would do that. Ever.

I took the liberty of starting #9 a tad early.

SF Bay Area Costco was a zoo - I did my shopping for the apocalypse a few days ago thanks to this thread, but stopped by Costco during lunch to pick up a few things. It was crammed with shoppers loading up on toilet paper, vinegar, rice, ramen, water, pasta, tuna. No more lysol wipes; they had to restock the toilet paper; just small bags of rice left - the big ones were gone; no more chick peas or lentils (what I came for).

Local target/walmart - no more sanitizer or the big refill bottles of antibacterial softsoap, lots of shelves with meds mostly empty.

Bajour!

Oh, thank you!

Costco is always a zoo Thursday-Sunday.

R591 Nah, I've been to this one before at around the same time (Friday lunch) and it has never looked like this. Also, the things people were loading up on were atypical of a regular weekly costco run (3 packs of toilet paper + multiple packs of paper towels + multiple crates of bottled water). Most of the shoppers were Chinese.

I think the Pope has a run of the mill cold. His nose is runny. Didn't we learn last thread that coronavirus goes straight to the lungs with little to no nasal effects?

Yeah Sanjay Gupta was on the radio this morning and said it's a lower respiratory virus, which does not include a sore throat and runny nose.

Should a 50 year-old smoker get the pneumonia vaccine?

DISCLAIMER: I am not a smoker and I am not 50.

R595, the shot has no protection against this virus.

I would get plenty of sleep, eat well and don't drink too much (weakens immune system)

I know it doesn’t protect against the virus PER SE but does does it help prevent the pneumonia caused by the virus?

I'm not a medical expert but I heard and have read that it has no protection. if you want to get it, go ahead...no harm done I suppose.

Dow only down 350 today.