CoronaVirus Freakout 4: To Kung Flu, Thanks for Everything, Julie Flu-mar

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I’m having Pangolin for breakfast! Jealous??

I’m in love with OP.

The number of infected on that cruise ship went from 61 to 64...via NHK news

Where is Mr. Go Asian these days?

Chen Qiushi, the source of most of the Wuhan hospital videos posted in earlier threads, has been missing since 2/6. Supposedly he was taken into "quarantine" by police. He's been one of the only direct sources of unformation about Wuhan internationally since the quarantine began.

He's a pro-democracy activist and lawyer who has a western following because of his coverage of the protests in Hong Kong. He has an associate, Fang Bin, who is still in Wuhan and was arrested but released.

Christ, information- not unformation.

Japan’s health ministry confirmed that another three people have tested positive for the new coronavirus. The government said the total cases found on the Diamond Princess cruise ship is now 64, out of 279 people tested for the virus. The three new cases include two Americans and one Chinese national.

Norwegian Cruises bans anyone who holds a Chinese, Hong Kong or Macau passport, as well as anyone who has traveled to mainland China or visited an airport in China in the last 30 days.

I wonder what that 80 year old dude was doing on that cruise ship. Supposedly he was on the ship but left and then got developed the illness. So many people are infected! He probably coughed all over the salad bar...

You deserve everything that's coming your way, R2.

R9 rich old fucks go on cruises, it’s just what they do. It’s the same here and in other countries where rich old fucks live, and that includes rich Hong Kong Chinese.

Scheduled to go on a cruise next month. The cruise line has issued a statement that if you’ve recently been to Wuhan, been within six feet of someone who has been, or if you’re running a temperature, you are not getting onto the boat. Full refund offered as consolation.

If you want to see some weird stuff, go to a Twitter and search for #Coronavirus. It’s wild.

Whoops! Looks like restrictions were just expanded.

R12, can I have all your stuff when you die on that cruise?

This says a lot about healthcare in China, as all of the deaths, including the American citizen and Japanese citizen who died, had occurred in China and Philippines (1 patient). Patients who are being treated and watched in countries other than China appear to be stable.

It also says a lot about their political structure, for a top-down Communist dictatorship there seems to be chaos and making up rules on the fly. If this happened in Japan, not that it ever would because Japanese are germaphobic clean freaks, Shinzo Abe would be on national tv bowing and apologizing in disgrace. So it is fascinating that there’s not a peep from Chinese president Xi who’s been m.i.a. during all of this. In Taiwanese political gossip networks, they’re saying that Xi and his family are in hiding and consolidating their pilfered wealth (said to be in billions of US dollars) hiding their assets in case the family has to leave China permanently. Xi’s only child, a daughter, is a Harvard graduate and it’s speculated that she’s the owner already of several properties here in the US, all purchased through nefarious means that hide identity of owners.

Sure, R15, you can have my stuff! To make the transfer easier, please send me your bank account information and provide your Social Security Number. Your full name, address and mother’s maiden name would be handy, too.

I heard that they are in need of more medical workers, masks, equipment like inhalation machines etc.

It's their own fault, they pretended everything was fine, that there wasn't a problem in the beginning. Now it's fucking out of control. People are dying coz they need ICU and they can't provide that for hundreds of thousands who need it.

I still find it scary that a healthy man of 34 yrs old died. You ain't supposed to die at 34 of the fucking flu!

Young, healthy people are dropping dead from this virus too!

[quote]Scheduled to go on a cruise next month. The cruise line has issued a statement that if you’ve recently been to Wuhan, been within six feet of someone who has been, or if you’re running a temperature, you are not getting onto the boat. Full refund offered as consolation.

Right. And what's the probability of everyone, **absolutely everyone** of those future passengers likely to be aware, let alone likely to admit having those symptoms, r20?

Meant, r12, not r20.

r19

Two French schools to shut down next week due to coronavirus fears

Two French schools near a ski resort in eastern France where five Britons have tested positive for coronavirus will shut down next week as a precaution, local officials said on Saturday.

One of those infected is a student, local health official Jean-Yves Grall said Saturday.

Speaking at a news conference, Grall said 11 Britons, including the five who tested positive for the virus, are being examined in local hospitals. The group includes a 9-year-old child who recently spent time in a school in Contamines-Montjoie, a mountain village of which he was also resident, as well as in another school where he took French lessons.

Speaking to BFM TV, Contamines-Montjoie mayor Étienne Jacquet said three of the British children being examined, including the child who tested positive, attended local schools.

Jacquet said that while two schools were being shut down, there was no discussion of a “confinement situation” for the time being.

Jacquet added: “All people diagnosed are in hospital care.”

Earlier on Saturday, France’s Health Minister Agnes Buzyn said at a press conference “none of them are in serious condition.”

Grall also said a British national had travelled from Singapore to Contamines-Montjoie ski resort on Jan. 24 for a four-day trip and had sojourned with the British nationals before returning to the UK on Jan. 28.

[quote][R12], can I have all your stuff when you die on that cruise?

This is one instance, DO, where you really don't want anyone's "stuff.,"

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R18 people even young people, die from the flu each year. We had an otherwise healthy avid runner in her late 30s die last year from the flu. Thus year’s strains of flu virus are affecting more children and young adults than previous years, and that’s on top of vulnerable older population. We should be concerned about the flu here in the US since we’re more likely to be affected by it than the Coronavirus, at least for now anyways.

Coronavirus: 7 new confirmed cases in Singapore, possible new cluster involving church in Paya Lebar

I wonder what happened to the WHO team that was supposedly gonna go to China?

[quote]Xi’s only child, a daughter, is a Harvard graduate and it’s speculated that she’s the owner already of several properties here in the US, all purchased through nefarious means that hide identity of owners.

So they’re coming here, then.

And do you think, if he were made aware, that Trump will do anything about it?

Hell, he probably already offered to fly them here on Air Force 1.

"Going door-to-door..." Mmm-hmmm

Knowing Jinah, it's probably just a plot to kill dissidents, anarchists, etc. A witch hunt where they label you infected then you 'succumb' to the disease (get executed).

[quote]In Taiwanese political gossip networks, they’re saying that Xi and his family are in hiding and consolidating their pilfered wealth (said to be in billions of US dollars) hiding their assets in case the family has to leave China permanently. Xi’s only child, a daughter, is a Harvard graduate and it’s speculated that she’s the owner already of several properties here in the US, all purchased through nefarious means that hide identity of owners.

if this is true there would be no reason for him to do this if it was an unpreventable disease. I think he is waiting until they discover it's man made and then he is gone.

None of this was included in the BBC/HBO drama series Years and Years, just the nuclear destruction of some Chinese island with a stupid name.

Does anyone trust the official numbers coming out of China? I believe they are understated by a factor of 50 to 100.

The American citizen that died in Wuhan had her cause of death listed as pneumonia. That sounds plausible.🙄🙄🙄

It's time to start clutching your pearl rosary beads.

Considering pneumonia is the complication of this disease that leads to death, virtually all of them “died of pneumonia.” Maybe a few heart attacks in there.

What do people that die of other flus die from? Technically, probably pneumonia.

Coronovirus Movie. "Killer Bats!"

Starring:

Dead doctor: Ben Affleck

Xi: Harvey Keitel

Wuhan Wet Market Owner: Keanu Reeves

Young Flight Attendant: Nicole KIdman

Daughter of Young Flight Attendant: CZJ

U.S. Ambassador to China: Tom Hanks

U.K. Ambassador to China: Vanessa Redgrave (Cameo)

U.N. Representative to China: Meghan Markle

Aide de Camp for U.N. Rep to China: Prince Harry

Butler to U.N. Representative China: Archie Mountbatten-Windsor

R32, I don't trust the numbers out of China either, but there's no basis to claim that they're 50 or 100 times higher.

Oh PLEASE let the infected Americans on the Japanese ship be the deplorables who begged Trump to “save us” from quarantine

I don’t understand the intense need and desire to control this thing. We can’t. Let it run its course. There are too many fucking people on this planet. We don’t have the resources to take care of everyone. This is nature dealing with the problem. Natural selection. Calm down and let it go.

A big part of the reason for poor response to the outbreak as well as nonexistent public health efforts in preventing infectious diseases has to do with the fact that government officials in China are appointed. To be appointed and get your foot in the door to pilfer money and make more money off of bribes, you need to do shady things for those already in power. These so-called officials in Chinese government have no idea how to govern, they literally pull shit out of their ass in order to save their own hides. No accountability because no one wants to be in charge at time of emergencies. They don’t want to be made scapegoats so they do nothing, taking the lead from president Xi. All these totalitarian communists care about is making money, there are over 100 billionaires in the Chinese legislature, supposedly all of them only earning annual salary each of just under $10k in US dollars.

Besides the evolving course of this virus, I’m also interested in the fallout that happens once the outbreak hopefully stabilizes. China should be made a pariah for continually subjecting its neighboring countries and rest of the world with its nasty viruses and unsanitary practices.

R38 You first.

I looked this guy up. He is controversial, but he is not a nut. He did his undergrad work at the U of Chicago and got his law degree at Harvard.

The interview is sobering.

I’m fine R40. Calm down.

R41 Disturbing. Is this interview from an NPR station?

[quote] Calm down and let it go.

is that you, Rob Navarro?

R41 Couldn't find any mention on Google of a leak of SARS virus from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, apparently a lab in Beijing leaked it in 2004. He does sound like a crank. He had no information, just opinions.

NYT: The CDC has offered for more than a month to send a team of experts to China to observe its coronavirus epidemic and help if it can. But no invitation from China has come — and no one can publicly explain why.

The WHO, which made a similar offer about two weeks ago, appears to be facing the same cold shoulder, though a spokeswoman said it is just “sorting out arrangements.”

A possible reason, experts noted, is that outsiders could discover aspects of the outbreak that are embarrassing to China. For example, the country has not revealed how many of its doctors and nurses have died fighting the disease.

So what is the % of people who got this who died outside of China? 1% or 0.1%?

Maybe they shouldn’t shit & piss in the streets?

haven’t you ever been to Disneyland? they shit in the bushes.

Embarrassing shit about their healthcare system will include stark reality of not having enough resources to serve a local population of that size. It goes against the mighty, powerful nation that China likes to portray to the world. Most importantly it awakens in its citizens the fact that the government is not taking care of them not now snd not in emergencies. They also don’t want people to know that non-medical personnel are being used to provide care for patients. Military recruits and untrained personnel are staffing many of these newly built “hospitals” that are actually quarantine centers.

Wais a sec - so WHO isn't there yet? How bizarre. They are hiding something if they don't want the help..

I'm sure it must be feel so odd to be holding an Asian Passport right now - like being banned from traveling anywhere etc.

R45, youtube suggestd him to me. So I lookedup KPOO, which does appear to be an NPR station basd in San Francisco, and it's FM 89.5 I don't live there, so I am not familiar with it.

WorkWeek appears to be a youtube channel, focusing on working class work and jobs. So this interview was on that show which I think was broadcast on KPOO.

But there have been other interviews that support this guys views. I am attaching one of them. One worrisome detail revealed in this attached video is that apparently, the SARS virus has been leaked from the Wuhan SBL-4 lab MULTIPLE times. Trevan's point in this video seems to be that the structure allowing actual effective function of one of these labs does not exist. So if something is seen to be not working, the protocol will not be changed, either because people are not adequately trained, or because they are afraid to take that kind of initiative.

Tim Trevan says in this video he doesn't think the lab is generating weapons; the Interviewer (a Chinese woman) says that just because China has signed the agreements, does not convince her that they wouldn't be doing it. I don't have an opinion one way or another. Whoknows what they intended to do with their viruses. But I DO believe there is incompetence and that the virus leaked from the lab, probably by accident. And since this would not be unusual for that lab, I don't see any reason to continue to invoke the wet markets as a source for this virus (apparently arising de novo?!?!?!?).

BY the way, R46 and R51, the WHO is totally in China's back pocket. I KNEW that when I saw the press conference, and they were constantly PRAISING China for their unprecedented level of cooperation.

Which is total kiss-assy bullshit.

The Chinese Government screwed up, tried to cover up that screw-up and still are. The attachd video provides a highly detailed timeline of this crisis, and it is illuminating.

NHK just had a news brief where it featured a WHO official confirming that they will send teams to different provinces in China next week to do more surveillance of the outbreak.

R53 - It is NOT that WHO is in China's back pocket it is pathetically, that they must put on that "Guise" of Cow-towing to Chinese authorities to get into the damn country so that the World's best scientists ( CDC, British, French, yes WHO) and find out WHAT THE FUCK IS REALLY GOING ON!!! And it appears that the gushing syncophantic nonesense has worked, because China has finally relented and has agreed to let investigators in. Without this, scientists would not be able to backtrack and figure out what the TRUE source of the outbreak is, WHY so many deaths are happening in China, and some of the darker realities of what the hell China is really doing with all those patients. The curtain is really about to be drawn back on some nasty, nasty shit.

The British man from Brighton who was diagnosed with coronavirus visited this rather large pub whilst infected but before diagnosed.

Eeck 😯😮😟

The two guys living in China that I posted in R53, say that the Chinese government has been spreading propaganda that the US is only spreading false propaganda about China and has not offered to help in any way.

[quote] Cow-towing

Jesus Christ

I like disaster movies that let you get to know the characters before the disaster happens.

I have an 8 minute video promo for the 1936 Berlin Olympics. They show the Germans frolicking at a lake, and strolling through the Berlin Zoo. That’s when I laugh and think, these people had no idea the shitstorm that was about to roll through!

I wonder about this virus...

Corona deaths now exceed SARS deaths. That says a lot, doesn’t it, since this is relatively new?

Have ELEOP’s infected passengers parked on the tarmac at YYZ been checked on yet? It’s been a couple of weeks now since we were informed that the plane and the infected passengers were 100% real — based solely on a sketchy Twitter video circulated on conspiracy sites — and if someone hasn’t sent pizzas I’m worried that they may have resorted to eating each other.

If not DL, who will think of the infected passengers?!?!

From CNN international---

Hubei provincial death toll rises to 780

The coronavirus death toll in the Chinese province of Hubei has risen to 780, according to the local health authority. That's an increase of 81 people from the day before.

The total number of confirmed cases in Hubei jumped to 27,000.

There are more than 20,000 patients hospitalized in Hubei province and 1,154 are in critical condition.

More than 200 Canadians were evacuated from Wuhan this week

About 213 people, including Canadian citizens and their families, who were evacuated from Wuhan have returned to Canada, officials said.

“I want to thank everyone who helped bring these Canadians home safely. They have undoubtedly undergone a stressful situation and we are thankful that they are back in Canada," Health Minister Patty Hajdu said in a statement.

The group traveled in a Canadian chartered plane and a second flight led by the United States.

The evacuees were placed in a 14-day quarantine at the Canadian Forces Base Trenton in Ontario. None of them have shown symptoms of novel coronavirus, authorities said.

From CNN international:

World Health Organization to send a team to investigate the coronavirus outbreak in China

The World Health Organization will send an international team to investigate the coronavirus outbreak to China, with the team leader leaving for China on Monday or Tuesday, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a press conference in Geneva on Saturday.

Ghebreyesus said the rest of the experts on the team will follow “after that.”

When asked whether the international team will include officials from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Ghebreyesus said, “We hope so.”

New study explores how the coronavirus is spreading and how little we know about it

A study published Friday in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) found that 41% of the first 138 patients diagnosed at one hospital in Wuhan, China, were presumed to be infected in that hospital.

This is big news. In plain English, it means that nearly half of the initial infections in this hospital appear to have been spread within the hospital itself. This is called nosocomial transmission. (Doctors use big words to hide bad things: Nosocomial means caught it in the hospital.)

What's more, most spread doesn't appear to have been the result of a so-called "super-spreader event," in which a single patient transmits infection to many other people. In these — where a doctor inserts a tube into the patient's lungs — can result in many infections.

This would be a concern, but not nearly as much as what appears to have happened: Many health care workers and many patients got infected in many parts of the hospital. What's more, since there's a broad spectrum of infection and only patients who were sick were tested, it's quite likely that there was even more transmission in the hospital.

So, like SARS and MERS — other coronaviruses — before it, the Wuhan coronavirus is spreading in hospitals.

What does this mean? The virus appears to be quite infectious, health care workers are at especially high risk, and we urgently need more information about just how infectious the virus is. The virus might well be impossible to contain — just as the common cold and influenza can't be stopped, but the health and societal impacts can be blunted.

China's extraordinary efforts to stop the spread of the virus, even if unsuccessful, may slow its spread and improve China and the world's ability to limit the harm the virus causes.

Aww, I’ve missed ELEOP!

if you pray please pray for those that aren't Chinese and couldn't get out of China, especially the Africans, whose countries couldn't afford to evacuate them. The last I read, they were scared to death and most of them didn't speak Chinese.

R67, then why are they there? How did they get there?

Oh, I guess they’re trapped there, right?

R67

Over 1 million Chinese citizens live in Africa. I wonder, of that number, how many traveled back to China during the holidays and returned with this virus.

[quote] Doctors use big words to hide bad things: Nosocomial means caught it in the hospital.)

No they don’t. Medicine uses one word instead of 5 in order to communicate quickly & clearly. Everyone in the medical field knows what nosocomial means. And they won’t sound mentally retarded when writing research papers on “nosocomial illnesses” instead of “A study about infections that were caught in the hospital or in a nursing home or a clinic.”

Can we agree that doctors have a language all their own?

I’d attribute it to a vestigial tradition, starting when the elite all learned Latin.

Frpm Eyewitness news 7

#BREAKING: 4 passengers on New Jersey cruise ship test negative for coronavirus, Governor Murphy reports

also read on twitter, not sure how true...but one crew member of the cruise that stopped in NJ was found dead on the ship.

What does ELEOP mean?

I worked for a Japanese corporation, so somebody who’s Chinese can correct me if I’m wrong, but to me, this is all very familiar to anyone who has worked within the Asian culture of “saving face.”

My boss used to tell me all the time, “the nail that sticks up is hammered down,” in other words, never ever do anything to attract attention if the big bosses. Don’t draw attention to yourself, it can only be bad.

He would tell me not to draw attention from the bosses’ boss, because that guy was very arrogant and temperamental if he was thwarted or questioned in any way. It was disrespectful to question him, it was disrespectful to draw attention to your bosses’ failures and mistakes, and the fact that you even did it, no matter how justified, meant you were “disloyal,” and couldn’t be trusted. That was worse than whatever fault the boss had.

I also noticed the big bosses put a lot of the blame for failures on insignificant employees. They were always looking for scapegoats and refusing to take responsibility. There was no such thing as “the buck stops here.”

An example of this attitude is what happened at Fukushima. Incident after incident of workers trying in vain to get the attention of bosses about risky setups prone to failure. It was all brushed off with, if you want to work here, don’t complain or draw attention to yourself. One guy noticed a couple years before the meltdown that all the batteries were in a low lying area that could be easily flooded. He was told not to make trouble. Two years later, when the tsunami happened, the batteries were underwater and flooded, just like he predicted. And after that easily preventable mistake caused a failure, those same workers were supposed to work themselves to death out of “loyalty,” while the big bosses were safe elsewhere.

This just seems like that attitude all over again, an original mistake being compounded over and over him because no one wants to take the blame. Eventually, they’ll find some low level guy and blame him for everything, and crucify him. It’s very unlikely procedure will change, because that’s a criticism of the protocol under some important boss somewhere.

R74, ELEOP refers to the term “extinction level event,” which refers to stuff like contents hitting the earth and other extinction level events.

The movie Deep Impact used that term about a meteor or comet hitting the earth and killing almost everybody.

ELEOP was an OP on an old thread that talked about extinction level events.

Comets hitting the earth, not contents ^^

I don't know if related, but I use a pool at a fitness center that is part of a hospital, and yesterday when I went to use it I noticed the chlorine levels were higher than they've been before, I could barely stand the stench. I was there on Monday and it was not that overpowering. This is a city where there have been cases (but not at this hospital). Also, it was practically empty, there are a lot of hospital employees that use the facilities but it was only me and one other person there.

I went to Sam’s Club today, and they had a kiosk with alcohol handwash, bleach wipes and other disinfectants. Some woman was putting her credit card into it, I don’t know why. This was a display away from the cash registers.

[quote]This just seems like that attitude all over again, an original mistake being compounded over and over him because no one wants to take the blame. Eventually, they’ll find some low level guy and blame him for everything, and crucify him. It’s very unlikely procedure will change, because that’s a criticism of the protocol under some important boss somewhere.

A good read, r75.

[quote]So I looked up KPOO, which does appear to be an NPR station based in San Francisco

KPOO has nothing to do with National Public Radio, R52.

[quote]ELEOP was an OP on an old thread that talked about extinction level events.

I believe the ELE troll was from the 2014 Ebola virus threads, not just general extinction-level events.

Datalounge’s ELE troll, aka ELOP, presented itself as being privy to top-secret information and it would veer between martyrdom and delusions of grandeur (You sheeple are so cruel to me, but I shall carry on for the good of humanity!) and hostility when the laughter got to be too much.

Ebola was its heyday but it was also active during Fukushima. In addition to presenting its top-secret knowledge — copy-and-pasted from conspiracy sites, without links — it liked to drone on and on about prepping on a budget; the-powers-that-be withholding information that common household ingredients can prevent radiation sickness; mysterious weather patterns that were obvious to ELEOP but went unnoticed by the rest of the world; the impact that all of these events were having have on financial markets; gold, gold, and more gold. Its attempts at sounding well-versed in medicine and finance were particularly embarrassing.

ELEOP was revealed to be another troll who covered the same financial conspiracies but with a more political bent — the Idiot Libertarian Troll.

Thank you for this bit of DataLounge history r83

I love when people share their historical knowledge about this old dump of a website

So 27,000 infected and 800 dead? That's not a particularly good survival rate but this ain't the bubonic plague.

R85 There are probably tens of thousands of more infected who aren't sick enough to sick medical attention. Its widely believed that the death rate of this virus (currently about 2%) will drop but only time will tell.

Keep in mind though the Chinese in Wuhan probably didn’t have the greatest hygiene or healthcare to begin with, so China’s death rate is going to skew the numbers quite a bit. This is also backed up by the fact that no one being treated or monitored in areas outside of China has died.

A couple of people have died outside of China that we know of, maybe more.

But I do think a lot of these casualties have to do with China in particular in some way. It’s a respiratory illness, so I think the fact that a lot of Chinese are smokers, and there is so much pollution in their air, are contributing factors. It seems like their cases become very serious very fast.

I read recently that some victims would slightly recover, but then suddenly take a turn for the worse and die. That happened in the 1917 Spanish flu.

Despite the handwringing that pops up on this thread, I'm not really worried about it hitting the U.S. hard. We're not as densely populated as China, the air quality is better, there are more doctors per capita and fewer smokers, but it's going to be a horror story if it spreads in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Or to Africa, particularly cities like Nairobi.

Anyplace where a lot of people smoke is going to be bad, because their lungs are already damaged, and they’re much more susceptible to pneumonia.

One good thing about the U.S. is a lot of people don’t smoke any more. I hope vaping goes away eventually, it seems very unhealthy.

r68 they are there because China offered them scholarships to study there.

R88, a final rally before death seems common with flu deaths so I've always heard.

Hong Kong (CNN)The Wuhan coronavirus has now killed more people than the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak of 2003 after 89 more deaths in mainland China on Saturday brought the global death toll to 813.

China's National Health Commission announced the new death toll on Saturday, adding that the country's total number of infections had risen to 37,198.

Out of the 813 people who have been killed by the virus, 811 were in mainland China, with one death each recorded in Hong Kong and the Philippines.

In comparison, during the SARS outbreak, a total of 774 people died and just over 8,000 were infected.

Several other countries announced new infections over the weekend, including Thailand, France and Singapore, which now has 40 cases of the virus.

Didn't someone already die in the US? Or was it a US citizen that died that was living in China?

R94, US citizen died in China.

A Japanese man also died in China.

The latter, R94. No deaths from coronavirus on US soil yet.

BREAKING: NOBODY GETS OUT OF LIFE ALIVE.

CNBC: All levels of China’s government have allocated a total of 71.85 billion yuan ($10.26 billion) to fight the fast-spreading coronavirus, which has now killed more than 800 people and infected more than 37,000, the country’s finance ministry said Sunday.

BREAKING: BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIE EARLY!

R89 Pure socialism. The worst words ever uttered : "I am from the government and I'm here to help." Those infected need to cure themselves by their bootstraps.

[quote] Despite the handwringing that pops up on this thread, I'm not really worried about it hitting the U.S. hard.

Thinking only of the direct affects of the virus is myopic. The US, and the rest of the world, will he hit hard by the economic fallout. It’s unavoidable at this point.

I'm worried about it hitting Africa.

We're in our third month at least of an active CoronaVirus. It hasn't hit Africa or South America yet as far as they can tell.

R103 Last night, I had dinner with friend who works in public health. She said that they’re now seeing reports in the last two days of the corona virus Africa. She seemed to think it was bad.

R105 receipts please?

Dinner receipts?

R106 I have no receipts, just the words of a very level headed friend. We will know in the next couple of days if she was right.

R107 I paid cash and left a 30% tip for the very nice Ethiopian grandmas who ran the restaurant.

Africa definitely isn't prepared for a big hit from CoronaVirus.

The virus (similar to flu virus) thrives in cold or cooler environments so Africa is in the clear due to hotter weather.

R110 Pangolin range map.

They have an extensive range in Africa.

R110 ever been to South Africa in winter?

Africa is a rather diverse continent.

Was listening to BBC news at 3:00 am EST and an academic type (can't remember his name) was going on about everything is fine, we'll be OK in the UK) , everything under control BS. Then he mentioned something about possibility of a second wave of the virus hitting the U.K. in the summer. I don't know, I just don't have a good feeling about the U.K. situation given their already over-burdened health system, population density, delayed response to virus in terms of shutting off airline travel from China. I'm waiting to see the real statistics coming out of England.

BREAKING: I’M NOT SO SURE ABOUT THAT

Plus. Nicola, a lot of people in the UK still smoke like chimneys.

I've seen videos online where men were welding shut the entrance to apt buildings....How sickening!

R112 colder climate areas in Africa also tend to not be the regions with large populations.

South Africa isn’t quite as much of a shithole as some other countries. There are labs that can test for it there unlike 90% of the rest. Not saying it wouldn’t be devastating.

South Africa’s below the equator so their winter won’t begin until June.

R116, there’s a lot of videos going around where they’re locking or barring individual apartments too. There’s one where an official tells a family they’re locking them in. The family asks, what if there’s a fire or other emergency. The official says, call us, we’ll come as soon as we can. The person says, in a day, 2, 3? The official gets testy and starts saying they’re not cooperating.

It looks like some of this depends on the locals in charge.

BNO's latest tracking update (9 February 2020 at 8:01 a.m. ET) makes no mention of any case in Africa yet

South Africans (middle and upper class) live in lockdown anyway. I was born and raised there. Getting into our house was more restrictive that getting into the White House. The wealthy will be fine.

There are a lot of Chinese in S. Africa. Their passports can be purchased (legally) if you have the money...quite easily.

CBS NEWS: Chinese Ambassador to the United States Cui Tiankai rebuked claims about the origins of the coronavirus, calling any theories it is linked to biological weapons research “absolutely crazy” and warning such allegations could stir up racial discrimination and xenophobia.

Cui was responding to an assertion from Republican Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas, who tweeted that Wuhan, the city where the deadly outbreak started, “has China’s only biosafety level-four super laboratory that works with the world’s most deadly pathogens to include, yes, coronavirus.”

BBC: Thousands of people stuck on a cruise ship in Hong Kong for four days have been allowed to disembark after tests for coronavirus came back negative.

Some 3,600 passengers and crew on the World Dream ship were quarantined amid fears some staff could have contracted the virus on a previous voyage.

Another cruise ship where dozens of cases have been confirmed remains in quarantine off Japan.

At least China has temporarily banned the sale of wildlife (excluding fish and seafood). Exotic and domestic animals, cats and dogs can at least have a reprieve for a little while.

Fear mongering from Steve Bannon.

Is this similar to seasonal flu, where come May it will disappear for the summer months?

It's new, R128 so nobody knows. Ask us in October.

We will all be dead come October

R129 It's not entirely new, varieties of coronavirus cause the common cold. So if going by that, then hopefully it goes away at least reduced virulence by late spring.

What happens when everyone goes back to work after the extended lunar new year holiday?

The Guardian:

Total deaths in China: 908, up by 97.

Total infections in China: 40,171, up by 3,062.

Yesterday 85 died, didn’t they? And today 97?

That’s not good.

^ probably a good way to get rid of people the government would like to make disappear....no questions asked.

I would not be surprised, honestly, starting with people who tried to sound the alarm about the virus.

Definitely be alarmed.

Something is seriously off in Kerala, India.

I have been here on holiday from the UK since 2nd February. Due to this I have paid close attention to media outlets in the area. Even from back home, before we came.

The main news source is state run and the politics of the area is very far left. There are Communist flags everywhere.

Initially the coverage seemed clear and precise, then for five days it all seemed jumbled and contradictory. Then two days ago the health minister in a self congratulatory way announced miraculously that Kerala is Coronovirus free.

Now the coverage has turned to praise of her.

There's absolutely no way she would in the slightest bit be able to make that claim. It's set my alarm bells off!

R138, maybe it was a false alarm. The politician then takes credit for it when the tests come back negative?

Heres some info about the death rate.

Unexpectedly, Wuhan, the provincial capital city where the virus first emerged, registerd a fatality rate of 4.06 per cent, came in second. It was topped by Tianmen, a nearby city, which has a death rate of 5.08 per cent, Caixin Global reported on Sunday (Feb 9).

With 871 deaths reported as of Sunday, the fatality rate of Hubei province on the whole is 2.88 per cent, the report said.

According to medical experts and frontline doctors, 15 to 20 per cent of coronavirus patients could develop severe conditions, and among them 25 to 30 per cent worsen to critical condition, Caixin Global reported.

There has yet to be a widely agreed mortality rate for the disease. Several ICU doctors estimate that the death rate among patients in critical condition ranges from 10 to 40 per cent, meaning the overall mortality rate may be 0.6 to 1 per cent.

Hubei had 29,631 confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus infection by Sunday, with 871 deaths and 5,505 cases still in severe or critical conditions.

Across mainland China, there were 3,062 new confirmed infections as of Sunday, bringing the total number so far to 40,171.

Now when they remove people from housing to take to the hospital/Corona concentration camp, they put them in a box in the way there.

This woman seems terrified to go. What are they being told?

death toll is past 900.

The coronavirus crisis could shut auto plants around the world

The coronavirus outbreak's cost to businesses worldwide is already readily apparent -- and auto plants could be among the first to feel the impact.

That's because of the massive size of the Chinese auto parts industry and the fact that you can't build a car with only 99% of its parts.

China is a major supplier of parts to auto plants around the world -- shipping nearly $35 billion of parts in 2018, according to United Nations data. While some of those parts go to auto parts retail stores, a large percentage of them go to assembly lines and are used to build cars.

But plants across China have been closed for weeks in response to the coronavirus outbreak -- and that could mean factories around the world grinding to a halt.

Plants are closing across Asia: So far most of the auto assembly plants in China are closed; Volkswagen announced it was keeping its Chinese auto plants shut partly due to travel restrictions there and partly due to the lack of parts.

But it has already started to spread to plants elsewhere. Hyundai has shut its assembly plants in South Korea, not because the disease itself has spread there but because it can't keep the plants operating without Chinese parts. Last week, Fiat Chrysler said it has one European plant at risk from the lack of Chinese parts in the next two to four weeks.

Looks like Americans being evacuated on a cargo plane from Wuhan. Last I heard, they were going to do at least three flights I think.

The person in the suit is saying something about, if you haven’t finished something, you can’t leave the plane. What is it?

I’ve seen this posted a couple of places. The government wants to use a student dorm as a makeshift quarantine area. The students are still away, so they simply take all of their clothes and belongings and throw them over the balcony into the courtyard.

This is regarding some African students whose governments has not evacuated them. They’re asking for help but getting nowhere. I think they’re from a Uganda.

R143, it makes me wonder: as this continues, might China conclude that, if the corona virus was everywhere, they might then be able to sell their goods abroad? Leading them to export their virus to see that this happens.

Here’s another photo of the students’ belongings thrown off the balconies.

I don’t know who Dr Harry Chen is, but he posted a video of a woman trying to climb on the outside of a building, up the balconies, to “get rice.” She was allegedly in a building that was locked up and there was no way to get food by going out. The woman attempted to climb from one balcony to the next, but she fell and was killed in the fall. The video shows everything. I won’t post it, but it’s on his twitter feed.

If what the Ugandan students are saying is correct, the stores are closed anyway. Which means there’s no food available and people are probably low or out already. And sealed inside their buildings.

Another person on that thread says people are just throwing trash out the window, because there’s no trash pickup and they can’t get out anyway. So they speculate rats will soon become a problem. The next question is, can rats spread the disease?

Does anyone believe the official death toll?

Damn, this kind of thing can lead to revolution. Wait until it spreads to army barracks and then we’ll see fireworks.

The situation with the African students sounds like such a nightmare 😱 imagine being trapped like that. At the Chinese are at home.

It will be marshall law next! Or maybe it already is!

I don't think life will be normal in Wuhan for years.

It sounds like the Ugandan students are in touch with a Ugandan television station. They seem to be giving them periodic updates. They want out, but they’re going to need help from another country or they’re stuck there.

When this is over, no one going to want to go to China for a long time, not because of the virus, but because of the totalitarian Chinese government laid bare. I’ve seen video after video of the government dragging people out of their houses, beating them up, then picking them up by arms and legs and throwing them into a van. These people are fighting for their lives. How do they know already they’re not going to get any help?

A Chinese activist that was posting last week from hotels has been found and was “quarantined” by the government. He’s not been in touch with his family since.

About the death toll, it seems it’s much worse than advertised. These people have just completely lost their shit. Judging by the reaction alone, I’d say we’re looking at the Black Death. Anybody who’s posting from China seems to think it’s much worse.

And if they’re really welding the front doors of apartment skyscrapers shut, everybody in those buildings is going to starve pretty soon. And they know it, people are screaming as they’re being locked inside.

Datalounge LOVES Marshall Law!

They can eat the rats and roaches and, then, one another. No prob.

I mean...they boil dogs and cats and kill endangered species for witch-doctor powders.

Why start being picky, now?

The good news is we manufacture our own toilet paper. The Charmin website says they manufacture toilet paper in the U.S.

I wondered because I read they were running low in China. They’re probably not getting any shipments.

[quote]Does anyone believe the official death toll?

Even if the Chinese government didn't have a long record of deception and ineptitude, their panicked actions in handling this outbreak clearly do not align with the numbers they're presenting to the outside world. The infection rate and death toll are probably at least 10 times higher than they're reporting.

R156, if they’re locking up huge apartment blocs by the front door alone, and the people inside can’t get food, it’s going to be like The Purge in there. People breaking each others’ doors down to get food.

They’re making it way worse. What are they thinking?

R159 They're trying to lock the problem away and forget about it. Someone made a great point earlier that Chinese officials are appointed through social contacts, and have very little idea of how to govern.

So they can stumble along until something really bad happens, and then they can’t fake it any more?

So what’s the theory behind hiding from WHO? If they find out how incompetent they are, they’ll lose face? I don’t think they can keep hiding forever, if it keeps getting worse. Maybe they’re just hoping when it gets warmer it will go away and and they can burn the bodies. But society seems to be breaking down. There’s not much food available.

I read on twitter that they recently found out it’s aerosolized, which means it could be like the measles, which is extremely contagious.

Rise in sulfur dioxide could be sign of mass cremations in Wuhan

A Shanghai civil official stated at a press conference on Saturday ( 2 days ago) that the virus is airborne.

A guy has been accurately predicting the numbers China will present to WHO and the press every day using a quadratic model:

"If I'm right, this near perfect "Chinese Propaganda" quadratic model will provide the world press and the WHO with the following numbers over the next few days: 05/02/2020 23435 cases 489 fatalities 06/02/2020 26885 cases 561 fatalities 07/02/2020 30576 cases 639 fatalities 08/02/2020 34506 cases 721 fatalities 09/02/2020 38675 cases 808 fatalities 10/02/2020 43084 cases 900 fatalities 11/02/2020 47733 cases 997 fatalities

If testing capacity were limited, the gradient would be a (possibly noisy) constant and we would be seeing a linear rise in cases. However, what we are seeing is an exceptionally smooth quadratic rise, and what is more curious is that: The public health interventions that were implemented in mid-January including use of face masks and increased personal hygiene; The mass quarantine lock-down measures introduced in Wuhan City on January 23; and The addition of two new hospitals that started operation on Tuesday 4th of February;

...have simply not dented or altered the published growth rate in any way whatsoever. It remains perfectly smooth and quadratic and very hard to believe.

Sorry about formatting. 05/02/2020 23435 cases 489 fatalities

06/02/2020 26885 cases 561 fatalities

07/02/2020 30576 cases 639 fatalities

08/02/2020 34506 cases 721 fatalities

09/02/2020 38675 cases 808 fatalities

10/02/2020 43084 cases 900 fatalities

11/02/2020 47733 cases 997 fatalities

The Epoch Times (U.S.-based newspaper associated with the Falun Gong movement) has done investigative work calling Wuhan crematoriums in an effort to estimate the actual death toll.

Such as Johannesburg, you mean, R117?

CNN---136 cases confirmed on board Japan cruise ship

There are 66 newly confirmed coronavirus cases aboard the Diamond Princess ship docked in Yokohama, according to an announcement just made by the ship’s captain Stefano Ravera.

That brings the total number of cases on the ship to 136, nearly doubling the previous total of 70 confirmed cases yesterday.

Ravera cautioned that this does not mean that the quarantine is not working.

“It was not unexpected, the additional cases, involving individuals exposed prior to the start of the quarantine,” he said.

Japanese authorities are still testing hundreds of passengers on board the ship, which has been stuck at the harbor south of the capital Tokyo for almost a week now.

Evidence is increasingly pointing to a full blown outbreak on board the ship, the largest outside of mainland China, where the vast majority of cases have been reported until now.

Japanese government working to boost mask production

The Japanese government is working to increase the domestic production of face masks amid the coronavirus outbreak.

“All major manufacturers are producing 24 hours around the clock to produce masks,” chief cabinet secretary Yoshihide Suga said on Monday.

“We will keep close eyes on the production, and demand and work to alleviate the lack of masks as soon as possible.”

Japan currently has the largest outbreak of the Wuhan virus outside of mainland China: on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship currently quarantined at Yokohama harbor south of Tokyo.

CNN---

The total number of deaths from the Wuhan coronavirus has topped 910, officially outpacing the global death toll from the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak of 2003.

More than 40,000 cases of the virus have been confirmed worldwide, with the vast majority of those in mainland China.

The country began going back to work Monday, after the Lunar New Year holiday became an extended quarantine for hundreds of millions in an effort to contain the spread of the virus. Even though businesses are gradually resuming operations, many people remain under quarantine, working from home where possible.

RE: Chinese government lying about the official numbers:

First check to see if they bothered to add any variability whatsoever in the model they are using to supposedly report actual numbers from a complex system.

R166 Do keep in mind that people in a city of 11 million people are still dying of heart attacks, strokes, old age, the ordinary flu (it is peak flu time in China), suicide, cancer and numerous others diseases. Compounding all this is that some people are probably running out of medicine that helps keep them alive so you would have an increase in deaths from that.

I'm sure not all people who have died of the Coronavirus are being recorded but people are and will continue to die for lots of other reasons.

The U.S. is accepting four new planes carrying Americans being evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said. The Americans will be quarantined at four different military bases across the U.S.: Camp Ashland in Ashland, Nebraska; Travis Air Force Base in California; Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego and Lackland Air Force Base in Texas. “This could be the beginning of what could be a long response,” said Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.

Any possibility they could pick up those Ugandan kids, I wonder? At least they wouldn’t starve to death.

The Japanese ship needs to be evacuated and the passengers need to be put in quarantine on land. They’re all going to get sick if they leave them there. Ships are notorious for catching diseases.

Those cruise ship sound like Voyage of the Damned.

5157 don't kid yourself. is the packaging made in China? what if a machine breaks down that makes the toilet paper. do the parts come from China?

And it really looks like they’ve given up on the passengers. In Japanese culture, they would expect the passengers to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary for the good of all. That makes sense. But the other ships? Looks like they’ve decided the same thing, but for a more pragmatic reason: they think there’s no way to quarantine them successfully. Just how contagious is it?

Remember when they did the first American plane out of China, and they only wanted to quarantine them for three days, while everyone else did two weeks? Then they got the people back and suddenly it was two weeks for them too. The passengers must have told them what was really going on.

The video I saw last night must have been a second plane, because now the crew were wearing complete spacesuits like they wear at the CDC, complete with a helmet.

[quote]The good news is we manufacture our own toilet paper. The Charmin website says they manufacture toilet paper in the U.S.

Toilet paper shortages will be the least of our problems, R157.

not for the average DataLounger, r178

R176, I did think of that. I think there could be shortages, at least at first, but we do have the means to sell it somehow in the U.S. They could always wrap It in brown paper if they had to. I’d buy extra if I were you, just in case. It’s not like it spoils.

Car parts worry me more. Now would be a good time to pick up an extra air filter for your car. And change your oil. And put air in your tires. Wiper blades. Anything that prevents damage is a good idea.

The things that concern me most are: is this going to affect oil prices somehow? Are foods canned with Chinese steel or cans themselves going to be available? How about Chinese bottles? And clothing? What about water bottles? I bet the bottles are made in China.

Now is a good time to buy extra socks and underwear at least. This will go on for months. Maybe a year. And then what if the virus mutates and comes back next winter?

R163 Airborne doesn’t mean doomsday scenario. It’s a terminology we use to describe infectious diseases that are spread via breathing in microparticles. These aerosolized microparticles are spread through sneezing, coughing, spraying of liquids and dust. Basically the flu as well as more virulent SARS and the like are classified as airborne illnesses too, SARS is also classified as contact precautions. An infectious disease is considered easily spreadable if it can be spread beyond what we call droplet precautions. Droplet precautions for those of us healthcare providers mean that we only need to wear masks since the microorganisms can’t spread beyond 3-6 feet in distance. The microparticles in airborne precautions are aerosolized and can linger longer than mere droplets. That’s when the correct type of mask comes into play particularly for medical staff.

But it’s not time to freak out yet because outside of China, the death toll is at 1, in the Philippines. Those being followed and treated outside China are fine. These patients are not being treated with anything other than supportive care: full range of respiratory support, antivirals if indicated, hydration, and medical management of concomitant conditions.

What this tells me is that China is unable to or it lacks the full resources to manage basic medical needs of its citizens. But mist importantly for those who are familiar with public health, it really drives home the mantra of cleanliness as a major preventative strategy against transmission of infectious diseases, whether they’re droplet or airborne or contact precautions.

Mainland Chinese have terrible hygiene and public sanitation can be poor even in cities. This is why a virus with low fatality rate such as as this new variant of Coronavirus can be so difficult to contain there. Adding on to the problem is unsanitary food practices, and the fact that the Chinese like to shop daily for fresh food. So you have a scenario where people are congregated in public spaces that are conducive for spreading of outbreaks. The central and local governments’ incompetence seals it.

The mainland Chinese citizens don’t care about saving face, when you compare them as tourists to Chinese from Singapore or Taiwan, you see vast differences in behavior. But Chinese ruling officials do, also their main inclination at these times is to consolidate and hide own pilfered riches, in case they have to go to already in place bolt holes outside of China. That is why no one not even president Xi is in charge. But believe me someone will be made scapegoats after this is all over.

Do you think Xi will be held responsible at all? I know they’re going to try to blame it on whoever is in charge of health at a cabinet level, or someone similar.

I think xi will bail soon. Resign and run.

R181 Not sure why you say it only requires supportive care. In the recent NEJM case study published by Washington state, they describe giving the patient antivirals, including one experimental drug, to relieve very severe symptoms.

We hope the world runs out of toilet paper!

R184 I just read your linked study, that is a case study, not a trial and not indicative of usual course of treatment, particularly given that is is an investigative drug remdesivir which is a type of antiviral therapy/ medication. The authors of the study trialed the medication I suspect out of curiosity plus the compassionate use of investigative therapy gives them cover in case it made the patient worse. The patient signed off on it though

Reading the case study, that patient did not present as having severe pneumonia that required investigational medications. So I suspect it was an opportunity for the clinicians to test it out simply because the man was coronavirus (+). Knowing how these trials work and how CDC was tracking patients here, it’s a given that CDC researchers were keen on seeing how this played out even though the patient was not “at death’s door” sick.

The case study presents a clinical picture of a pneumonia patient on supportive care. He was only on 2L of supplemental O2 via nasal cannula, not high flow or intubated. He had some liver enzymes that trended up on days 5-7 but had normalized afterwards. His serial blood cultures were always negative, meaning he was at low risk of sepsis and resulting multiple organ failure. When you have life threatening pneumonia those are the things that can happen. This patient in the case study didn’t present as critically ill by any means. I mean, he was put on 2L of O2 when his O2 saturation went down to 90%. Believe me, that’s nothing, we’ve seen worse pneumonia patients. Believe me, I did my time in the ER/ ICUs as a nurse before now working in primary care/ psych as DNP. That patient wasn’t anywhere close to death. My guess is that the researchers wanted to test out an antiviral that’s in trial stage right now. But to say that this patient was “cured” by this medication is patently false as anyone knowledgeable about how how trials work can tell you.

that ship is doomed. 65 new cases on cruise ship. total over 130 ( i think it's 135)

CNN-

A Hong Kong apartment building was partially evacuated due to possibility virus was transmitted through pipes

Health officials in Hong Kong are conducting a partial evacuation of residents from an apartment block following possibility that the coronavirus may have been transmitted via the building piping system, Professor KY Yuen said during an impromptu midnight press conference held on Tuesday morning local time.

Health officials have traced at least two confirmed cases of the coronavirus to the specific residential building called Hong Mei House in the Tsing Yi area of Hong Kong.

"As the pipeline that transfers feces is connected to the air pipe, it is very likely for the virus in the feces to be transmitted through the air fan into the toilet," Professor Yuen said.

Parts of the building were evacuated as a precaution while health officials and engineers carried out emergency checks, he added.

Professor Yuen said that the transmission route is not clear yet, so the evacuation was taken to protect the residents of the building.

This comes as local health officials confirmed that both the 42nd confirmed and latest case in the city and the 12th confirmed patient both lived in Hong Mei House. The 12th case was confirmed on January 30 and the 42nd case was confirmed on February 10.

Hong Kong now has 42 confirmed cases of the Wuhan coronavirus.

2 newly infected people in the UK are health workers

Two of the latest four coronavirus infections in the UK are healthcare workers, and British authorities are now “working urgently to identify all patients and other healthcare workers who may have come into close contact” with them, Public Health England Medical Director, Yvonne Doyle, said in a statement.

People are back to work after the Lunar New Year break. Streets are still quite empty. Not busy at all and many people are wearing 2 masks, layered on top of each other. (from what I saw on TV)

from CNN-------

The virus: The Wuhan coronavirus killed 97 people in China yesterday, and has killed 910 people globally since the outbreak began, according to authorities. More than 40,000 people have been infected.

is regular flu airborne? What else is airborne? FUCKkkkkkkkkkk!!!

One on my friends on FB

:Been in Asia for a couple of months and am still fine. But I find my return flight just changed to a 15 hr layover in China!!! 🙀 Even though most flights from China are cancelled. Even if I don’t get the virus from the layover I will have to be under quarantine for 14 days when I return!

He cannot afford to re-route to another layover destination- they will only refund half the price.

CNBC: The World Health Organization’s Dr. Sylvia Briand told reporters today that the disease produces mild cold symptoms in about 80% of the cases they’ve seen so far. About 15% of the people who have contracted the virus have ended up with pneumonia, with 3% to 5% of all patients needing intensive care.

R194, I don't believe that for a second. WHO has seen what? They are not even in China!

By now, we are getting info from places outside of China, such as the quarantined cruise ship. So we'll soonhave a much better notion of the etiology of the illness soon from observation of those infected people on the ship. I think they have 65 verified cases on the ship now, so shortly we'll know how many of those have a self-limiting mild disease and how many develop more serious symptoms or get pneumonia.

R192, measles has an R-O of 18. The only reason everybody doesn’t have it all the time is you are immune after having it, and vaccinations. It’s super contagious, but most people have been exposed either to the measles or the vaccine. Herd immunity. A small number of people with measles have serious complications.

These anti-vac morons have caused herd immunity to weaken. They ought to be thrown in a hotel in China and they can refuse all treatments from there.

R196, according to CNN....

The largest outbreak outside mainland China is on board a cruise ship docked in the Japanese port of Yokohama, south of Tokyo. As of Monday afternoon local time, 135 people on board the ship had tested positive for the virus, with at least 24 Americans among the infected according to information from Princess Cruises and a CNN tally. Thousands of passengers and crew have been quarantined on board for almost a week, and continue to be tested by the Japanese health authorities.

R197 Yes! Thanks for saying this. It’s mostly a weird mix of people who are anti-vaccines. You have the rightwing nuts and then you have the left-leaning nuts, both heavy into conspiracies and thinking natural anything must be good. Natural remedies of course will prevent or cure life-threatening viral illnesses. I can’t tell you how many well-educated patients I’ve had to plead with in getting their kids immunized and to no avail.

How many passenger and crew in total are on the cruise ship r198?

R200, about 3700

R196 that can be true but only to an extent. This is due to confounding variables that may skew final results if we are to treat those ship passengers as subjects in a study. Older people go on cruises and older people are more likely to have comorbidities (existing medical conditions). That would mean they’re more likely to become sicker and have higher fatality rate than younger population. However this doesn’t mean there aren’t valuable information to be gleamed from the passengers. I can guarantee that the Japanese authorities are treating them better, medically and on a human level, than the Chinese authorities in China.

FEB 4:

On the previous voyage, a guest from Hong Kong, embarked in Yokohama on January 20, sailed one segment of the itinerary, and disembarked in Hong Kong on January 25. He visited a local Hong Kong hospital, six days after leaving the ship, where he later tested positive for coronavirus on February 1. While on the ship he did not visit the ship’s medical centre to report any symptoms or illness. The hospital reports that he is in stable condition and the family members traveling with him remain symptom-free.

Princess Cruises can confirm that the first phase of health screening of all guests and crew onboard Diamond Princess, by the Japanese Ministry of Health, has been completed. We were notified that amongst the samples that have completed testing, 10 people have tested positive for Coronavirus. This includes two Australian guests, three Japanese guests, three guests from Hong Kong, and one guest from the U.S. in addition to one Filipino crewmember.

FEB 6:

Princess Cruises can confirm the nationalities of the 41 people who were tested positive for Coronavirus are from Argentina (one); Australia (five); Canada (five), Japan (21); United Kingdom (one) and United States (eight).

FEB 9:

Princess Cruises confirms an additional 66 cases of Coronavirus as tested by the Japanese Ministry of Health on Diamond Princess. These cases are from Australia (four), Canada (one), England (one), Japan (45), Philippines (three), Ukraine (one) and USA (eleven).

I've been following the lighthearted twitter feed of a passenger stuck on the cruise off Japan. He's making the best of it and enjoying the food.

Deaths have passed the 1000 mark. Yikes.

So when all this has hopefully subsided will there be a baby boom in China? Because when people are forced to be shut in together they fuck, right? And millions have been shut in together.

No worries, stable genius has it all under control. All is well.

Oh, he cut the budget for dealing with pandemic disease by 34%.

There’s also a permanent group set up in the last administration within NSC to deal with pandemic response but the person in charge was fired and so there is a vacancy.

Correction

Today: President Trump announced plans to cut funding for global health programs by 34%. Cut not final yet. But the timing of the announcement.

I would have thought that by now Donald Trump would have single handedly discovered the #CoronaCure.

These two guys run a channel on life in China from the view of an American and a South African. They recommend the guy whose videos I have been posting, namely, "Peak Prosperity."

I predict that this will be the final cruise for everyone aboard that doomed ship.

Soon they'll release the anchors, and let it drift out to sea.

😾 I better not hear some stupid son of a bitch claim it all started with contaminated "beef" in the Beef & Broccoli.

Cruise ships are the new floating death traps, r210.

That actually is not a bad idea, R212. And carry a lot of travel insurance.

Here are your odds of getting sick (if exposed), and your risk of dying.

[quote]That actually is not a bad idea, [R212]. And carry a lot of travel insurance.

Actually, I'd be picking out my very favourite coffin color, r213.

We aren't still importing gloves and face masks from China, are we?

Guess my color, R215?

Guess! Guess!

From the pathologist who isolated the SARS virus, it should die out in a few months. But it'll probably be with us as another in the coronavirus family that causes the common cold.

That expert must be Donald Trump. He's one of those experts who believes that when April arrives, and the weather warms up, the heat of April will kill off the virus.

How many more people will die while they sit around with their thumbs up their butts waiting for Cherry Blossom Time ?

Statistics: 80% got it and recovered. Only in 2% has it proved fatal.

R220 Uh, that makes 82%. What about the rest?

They're probably still sick so the outcome is unknown.

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The cruise industry is fuuuucked.

They should burn that fucking ship.

When you're talking 2% of literally millions of people, those numbers are going to add up. Remember, we're in early stages, it's continuing to spread, and there is no cure, let alone even a preventative vaccine.

I hope my birthday comes up first when it comes time for the vaccine lottery.

I don’t understand how the ship passengers can ever be released. The steward sounds like he goes to all the rooms delivering food. He would be delivering the virus, too, I’d think.

Will UNICEF make certain that children around the world be vaccinated first? We are, after all, the #HOTF*

* Hope Of The Future

💀 The Cruise Ship is a floating viral incubator.

No one's leaving ........ ever.

Yes, DO, for a negligible fee.

They’re going to have to leave everybody on the cruise ship either until every person has got it and recovered or died, or until the ship goes several weeks with no new cases. Which isn’t happening at all.

I agree with R229. The steward is delivering virus to people, since no one else is seeing those people.

That cruise ship will be fine, it'll be the cleanest ship in existence after this. They can do what we call a "high clean" in hospital rooms after infectious patients get transferred out. Simple bleach solution would kill viruses and other infectious microorganisms. The problem is that we can't use those to treat humans since it'd kill the host too. But for cleaning purposes, there are standard solutions that'll take care of all the nastiest germs you can think of.

R234 certainly the Diamond Princess will rechristened with a different name.

Remember when the biggest concern coming from China was those cheap Santa mugs and children's toys, covered with led paint ?

R235, the Diamond Princess will be rechristened all right. “The Terror.”

The Diamond Princess will be rechristened :

🚢 [italic] The Countess Báthory

The steward is a carrier!

Does anyone know if one of those UV-C light wands would be beneficial to kill potential corona germs at the office?

We have no way of knowing whether this was intentionally released into the air as a deliberate act of eco terrorism. The powers that be are hiding far more info than they're releasing to the public.

And, of cour$e, the race for the cure i$ on between pharmaceutical corporation$ for profit. They have u$ by the Ball$.

For those reading this thread — on a GAY website — who care about such things and may not be aware, the Epoch Times is the “news” arm of Falun Gong, a right-wing, homophobic cult.

[quote]By the numbers, there is no bigger advocate of President Donald Trump on Facebook than The Epoch Times.

[quote]The small New York-based nonprofit news outlet has spent more than $1.5 million on about 11,000 pro-Trump advertisements in the last six months, according to data from Facebook’s advertising archive — more than any organization outside of the Trump campaign itself, and more than most Democratic presidential candidates have spent on their own campaigns.

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[quote]At the same time, its network of news sites and YouTube channels has made it a powerful conduit for the internet’s fringier conspiracy theories, including anti-vaccination propaganda and QAnon, to reach the mainstream.

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[quote]Among them, Li has railed against what he called the wickedness of homosexuality, feminism and popular music while holding that he is a god-like figure who can levitate and walk through walls.

[quote]Li has also taught that sickness is a symptom of evil that can only be truly cured with meditation and devotion, and that aliens from undiscovered dimensions have invaded the minds and bodies of humans, bringing corruption and inventions such as computers and airplanes.

You like to order lunch special [italic] Moo Flu Gai Pan ?

R225

So does this mean discounts?

R239, Epoch Times is a right-wing site. They claim their mission is to provide accurate information so readers can make up their own minds, but their stories and editorials are mostly right-wing, GOP, and Trump favorable.

R243 & R246 Sorry, I had no idea! That’s what happens when you post something found on Twitter. My mistake. I would delete it if I could.

R217

I like blue too.

Thank you for that bit of black and blue humor.

Around 10% become critical and require intubation.

Severe cases can require hospitalization for a month.

Even advanced Western Hospital facilities do not have the capacity to keep 2% of the population in intensive care for several weeks.

25 day incubation and infectious period. Means that we won’t know anything about the spread outside of China for three weeks.

R247, no worries. It's not a huge thing, just something to be aware of.

25 day incubation?! That sounds like a bio weapon.

Infect people and turn them loose to contaminate everything and infect everyone they can reach. If someone was exposed weeks ago and still feels fine, they’ll go everywhere for weeks, spreading virus as they go. School, work, church, parties, concerts, gas station, ATM, pay at the ATM at Walmart and wipe their germs on the keypad, use the public bathroom and touch the faucet handles, you name it. Typhoid Marys by the thousands before you know it. And it’s weeks before they even know they’re doing it.

Today I went to a department store with brass handles on the glass door. I didn’t know if it was worse to touch them or push the glass. They’re both bad.

r251- push with your elbow or shoulder.

I don’t think it does sound like a bio weapon. A virus for which there is no vaccine and which is so easily transmitted? No.

In contrast, Anthrax sounds like a bio weapon. Or Smallpox. There are a lot of possibilities, but this is not one of them.

13 person in the USA infected, he was on the evacuation plane, he's in San Diego.

WHO are there now

It definitely seems like a chimeric virus.

Did you read about this person from China who came to the USA with a bag of dead birds? Custom agents took the bag and incinerate s it. Person was traveling from Beijing to Washington DC area. Claimed it was dog food!

[quote] A virus for which there is no vaccine and which is so easily transmitted?

Presumably, a bioweapon would be developed alongside its antidote and vaccine. It's a question of who has access.

Monday was the first time more than 100 people died of coronavirus in one day in mainland China

The number of deaths per day in mainland China has steadily risen over the past few weeks, since the Chinese authorities began issuing daily updates.

------CNN

You can't make a car with 99% of the parts. Coronavirus could wreck the global auto industry

The human cost of China's coronavirus outbreak is tragic, mounting and already readily apparent. The cost to businesses around the world could also become severe in the coming weeks.

Manufacturers around the world have come to depend on parts from China to keep their own supply chains going. Experts fear that factories across the globe could ground to a halt if many of the plants across China remain closed this coming week.

Auto plants could be among the first to feel the impact. That's because of the massive size of the Chinese auto parts industry and the fact that you can't build a car with only 99% of its parts.

"It only takes one missing part to stop a line," said Mike Dunne, a consultant to the auto industry in Asia and the former head of GM's operations in Indonesia.

A CDC official is in Japan to assist Americans dealing with the coronavirus outbreak

An official from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is in Tokyo to assist the US Embassy with its support of Americans on board the Diamond Princess, CNN has learned.

Passengers have been stuck on the cruise ship since February 4, after reports emerged that one of its passengers was infected with the coronavirus that has swept through China.

Since then, 135 people have been confirmed infected, including at least 24 Americans.

“We believe the Japanese authorities and cruise lines are working hard to keep all passengers – and the public – safe,” a State Department official told CNN.

“We ask passengers on board for their patience and understanding and to fully cooperate with and follow the instructions of global medical authorities and the Japanese government.”

Over the weekend, the CDC sent a letter to Americans on board the Diamond Princess advising them of hygiene procedures. “Remaining in your room on the ship is the safest option to minimize your risk of infection,” the letter said.

Consular officers are also visiting American cruise ship passengers who have been sent to hospitals in Tokyo.

It doesn't make any sense for this to be a product of biological weapons experiment. If it is then the Chinese are dumber than we think. It wouldn't make sense to develop a biological weapon that allows majority of those infected to remain relatively asymptomatic or mildly ill. Theoretically the infected are well enough to go about usual business, including travel to areas where they might infect you or your allies. One of the reasons that infectious diseases are so easily spread today is due to air travel, and I'm sure these developers/ researchers are well aware of that and design bioweapons with that in mind. Why would any sane or intelligent developer of bioweapons invent such a pathogen such as this new variation of coronavirus for this purpose, it makes zero sense. Anthrax on the other hand is a great example of fantastic biological weapons. It isn't contagious as in person-to-person transfer so it's a matter of hitting your target and not worrying about repercussions that might come back to bite you in the ass.

Unclutch those pearls ya old queens. You've got a far better chance of being hit by a bus on the way to the piano bar then dying from corona virus.

🤧 Is this the beginning of the end ?

We have no idea what it is.

Those who know aren't telling.

R264 It could be for 70 nations =

Here's the package of dead birds seized by US Customs and Border Patrol.

This is about companies breaking contracts because of the Corona virus, and whether they can be sued.

CNBC: The first confirmed case of novel coronavirus has been found among hundreds of people who were evacuated from China to military bases around the U.S.

The adult and three other evacuees had been in hospital isolation after showing symptoms of the virus but on Sunday, federal health officials said they had tested negative and they were sent back to the base, where they joined more than 200 people who are under a 14-day quarantine. On Monday morning, however, officials with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention informed county health officials that “further testing revealed that one of the four patients tested positive” for novel coronavirus and the person was returned to hospital isolation.

This is the seventh confirmed case of novel coronavirus in California and the 13th in the United States.

A lot of these people tested negative at first. The people housing them should have known that. So they sent him back to infect the rest. They should have kept him longer.

So that means a person who probably was in isolation in China for pretty long to begin with, then came here and was in isolation even longer, has it somehow. How long is the incubation period really? A month?

And then he was on a plane with everybody, and then he was at the base with everybody, and everybody thought he wasn’t a carrier so they got in his face for who knows how long, thinking he was “proven” safe. Probably had sex with his wife and kissed his kids, so they all have it too now.

Just put every one of these people in an isolated room and keep testing them for a month. Maybe six weeks. As long as it takes.

You can see how the Chinese ran out of facilities to care for these people so quickly.

How many isolation rooms do we have in the U.S.? And if you can’t isolate these people, which is what is going to happen if they turn them loose after two weeks and they go on to infect their communities, then what? Put them in a regular hospital ward with everybody else? Designate certain hospitals as flu only? Leave them with their family members? All the options are bad.

We don't know who might have developed it, if it is a biological weapon, or where it might have been developed. Or how it was introduced to the Chinese population. Given China's massive population, and how many people enter and exit this country on a daily basis, what better place to start?

The truth is, we just don't know ............

In this day and age one would think we would be much better prepared and equipped to handle situations such as this.

BLOOMBERG NEWS: The 2,257 passengers and crew onboard the Westerdam luxury liner are in limbo once again after Thailand became the fifth country to turn the ship away from its ports, leaving guests desperate to disembark after almost two weeks at sea.

Ports in Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines and Guam have also sent the ship away on concerns over the virus. The ship’s operator has said it has no reason to believe there are any cases of coronavirus on board.

The Westerdam departed Hong Kong on Feb. 1 on a 14-day Taiwan and Japan cruise.

The growing outbreak of Corona virus makes our current locust plague seem not as bad after all.

[quote]there are standard solutions that'll take care of all the nastiest germs you can think of.

Great! You go test one "high cleaned" Coronavirus cruise ship and report back to us, r234.

[quote]So does this mean discounts?

You Betcha! Funeral thrown in Free of Charge.

I think in a case like this, the military should build a huge hospital in the middle of nowhere with the capacity of a couple of thousand beds or isolation chambers. Build it in Alaska or on a remote island, but if you admit all these patients to regular hospitals, infections will spread like crazy and even patients with a cut or a broken leg could all be infected. I'm surprised there are no plans for a massive pandemie or not even worst case scenarios how to handle or contain this. Why aren't there any CDC scientists on TV talking about possible containment strategies? What are the plans? Build hospitals in high school gyms? Use all the hospital isolation wards till no free beds are available? What happens if hospital staff just doesn't show up for work anymore bc they're too afraid to get infected? China obviously forces people to work and stay inside. How does this work in a democracy? Will Trump sign an executive order?

R278 in my state, the governor will have to declare a state of emergency. And then the county public health departments will be able to legally enforce quarantine.

"Does anyone know if one of those UV-C light wands would be beneficial to kill potential corona germs at the office?"

I do not know. But I saw this guy on a news program whose company sells robots to hospitals which can disinfect hospital rooms using powerful UV pulse lights. He claimed the robot killed the ebola virus in 1 min. And that the infection rates went down a lot in hospitals using his robots.

[quote]In this day and age one would think we would be much better prepared and equipped to handle situations such as this.

Apart from hospitals and other medical facilities, very few cities, towns, municipalities (at least in Canada) have Business Continuity Plans, r273. They say they do but don't. City of Toronto, as an example, is "too big" I was once told to even think about risk management and other such essential strategies. They are just not equipped and they are at the "coal face" in terms of public health and safety. In many, many ways, despite the internet, the computers, the high tech, etc we are in the Dark Ages. If the public knew where their taxes are really going, there'd an outcry.

^^^ there'd be an outcry.

r281 same here, I know for a fact, having worked for the city, that Victoria has basically no emergency plan or resources, neither does Nanaimo. Probably Vancouver doesn't either. So all three major coastal cities in BC, fucked in the event of a major crisis.

[quote] R243: there are standard solutions that'll take care of all the nastiest germs you can think of.

I saw on 60 Minutes, with respect to MRSA, that even hospitals can’t clean throughly enough to get rid of it. I wouldn’t rely on cleaning.

Just saw on news reports trucks spraying shit to disinfect the air in China at night...

R276 every day nurses and physicians go into rooms that were previously occupied by patients with infectious diseases, including pathogens more virulent than this one. Nurses also have to take care of infectious patients up close, doing everything from invasive procedures to basic hygienic care if the patient isn’t able to do it himself. My first job out of college as RN, first patient in fact was a man in his mid-40s dying from AIDS, this was in 2004. There were still some prejudice against these patients but I saw none from our unit. We spent time not only providing medical care for him but also talking to him and his partner, making the patient feel human. I got out of bedside nursing to get postgrad degrees since then but if there was a shortage and a need for nurses, I’d have no problems doing the same thing. That’s why the CDC should ensure safe protocols for healthcare professionals at the front line and not make same mistakes as it did with Ebola virus that infected nurses in Houston hospital.

CNBC: A mix-up in the lab allowed an infected patient that had been evacuated from China to leave the hospital and intermingle with other evacuees quarantined at a military base, Dr. Anne Schuchat, a top official at the CDC, told reporters in Washington. “It turns out there was probably a mix up and the original test wasn’t negative,” she said. Four evacuees at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego had been in federal quarantine after showing symptoms of the virus. After testing negative for the virus, they were returned to the base on Sunday where they joined more than 200 people who are under a 14-day quarantine.

Do you also provide mourners, r277, as the victim's friends and family may also have perished.

Should one do some preplanning in anticipation of the event? I imagine the waiting list is growing daily.

THE WHO has announced an official name for the virus: Covid-19.

R287, that person should be fired. so fucking useless.

Is anyone left at the CDC to plan and implement, and track a mass quarantine operation? Trump killed their budget and many people left and were not necessarily replaced.

Don’t worry. Our Dear Leader knows medicine better than the doctors.

R289, I saw that and thought "They named it after crows?" ... But that's Corvid.

CDC had to ask for volunteers to do the airport fever screenings so I think they are pretty short staffed.

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Thanks for the cheery update, R295.

(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) SO FUCKING BAD!!!

Wuhan medic Jeisi Luo, not his real name, warned that there are likely many more infections than reported due to limited test kits and the fact that people are dying before they are diagnosed.

'When preliminary tests determine that a patient has a lung sickness, the nucleic acid test which detects the virus, cannot always be carried out because the waiting list is too long,' he said. 'The patient is therefore not diagnosed.'

Medics are instead dealing with the crisis by sending people home with medicine and advising them to 'self-isolate'.

(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) SO FUCKING BAD!!!

Wuhan medic Jeisi Luo, not his real name, warned that there are likely many more infections than reported due to limited test kits and the fact that people are dying before they are diagnosed.

'When preliminary tests determine that a patient has a lung sickness, the nucleic acid test which detects the virus, cannot always be carried out because the waiting list is too long,' he said. 'The patient is therefore not diagnosed.'

Medics are instead dealing with the crisis by sending people home with medicine and advising them to 'self-isolate'.

I would think they wouldn't disinfect with (only) bleach after this. Instead, it is much more certain and efficient to just bring in UV lights and let them irradiate every room for 12 hours. When you buy "RNAse-free" consummables (like plates or pipettes or tips) that is how they have been sterilized.

I wonder what the numbers are going to look like a week from now.

I wonder what the numbers are going to look like a week from now.

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About 35,000 people will die from the regular old flu this season in the US. It'll probably kill 100,000 or so in China (just my guess). That's with a mortality rate of 0.1%. If CoronaVirus is actually a lot worse than that, as people keep claiming on social media, then it could get really bad. I'm still not ready to panic.

R253. IT doesn't sound like a complete ready to go bioweapon.

Didn't we just have a poll about whether you would want a world without men? (Or women?) I didn't realise us lessies had the power to put that in motion, r302. Sorry guys!

But seriously this is going to be exacerbated by rampant and out of control capitalism. Are any American workers living hand to mouth going to self contain for two weeks? Unlike in the past, our world is so connected we literally cannot survive without each other. I live in a country that produces nothing but meat, dairy and tourism. We import EVERYTHING! I imagine this virus lives on the surface of goods as well.

The collapse of countries and societies in the past due to ecology and bad practices was in isolation. This could be the first pandemic that affects the world.

Nothing more than humans deserve tbh.

I have sufficient nervousness.

Are you in Iceland R305?

R305 MARY

R303, I don't know where you got your figures, but the ones I have seen are 10,000 fatalities in the US every year, from the flu, with 30,000,000 infections (According to the CDC). So that comes to 0.4%. And these fatalities are primarily found in end of life cases, where the patients are already severely compromised. THat is not exactly what we are seeing with the WuFlu, where more deaths are in the 40-60 cohort, rather than super-old.

We cannot possibly predict what the lethality rate really is with the WuFlu, mainly because we cannot believe the figures being provided from the Chinese Government. If there are 40,000 confirmed cases (which is what they are reporting), but maybe 20 times that many in the population who have not sought treatment, there may be 800,000 infections in China. Maybe more. 1,000 confirmed deaths = 2.5% of the 40,000 which would be about 6 times the lethality of the flu. Now 800,000 may be low-balling the numbers of infections in China, but what is almost certainly underestimated is the 1,000 confirmed dead. If 10 times that number are dead (estimated by the size of the hastily constructed hospitals, the sulfur emissions hovering over Wuhan, the round the clock cremations), the lethality rate jumps to 1.3%, which is three times the lethality of the flu.

The WHO is supposedly finally going in in a week (and the WHO is widely known to be in the pocket of the CCP). Not sure what they are going to report in terms of infections and deaths. The cruise ship outside of Tokyo suggests high infectivity (they were in quarantine): 130 people infected out of a controlled population of 3700 = 4% infectivity. THAT is the scariest statistic of all. We are only half way through that incubation period. Every additional infection raises that percentage and is probably the most worrisome thing the Chinese Communist Party is worried about.

But these are all just guesses, so I don't know how reliable estimates can be convincing.

500 hospital staff dead (at least).

Sorry, infected, not dead.

R309 Quite right. One cannot arrive at anything (but guesses) when the data set is suspect, or incomplete. In this case, we must ask ourselves if dishonesty is also involved (which it invariably is with the CCP).

There are still too many people by far attempting to downplay the whole situation inside and outside China. Comparisons to flu are not analogous to COVID 19, and they amount to "whataboutism" at this point.

It is human nature to deny the very existence of what frightens some of us the most. If we refuse to believe it to be an existential threat, then some of us obviously take peacein that denial. I think the weakest of us have such an inclination, as the best of us acknowledges it head on, whilst calmly preparing.

We've had world-wide pandemics--AIDS, the Spanish flu--the Spanish flu affected 27 percent of the world's population, including the Arctic and remote Pacific Islands. I'd be very surprised if the Coronavirus managed that.

Pandemics have interesting long-term consequences. The Black Death basically broke the feudal system in many places and made the emergence of a middle-class possible. Measles helped end the Roman Empire. Smallpox and Measles destroyed the Indigenous civilizations of the Americas. Measles killed off 80 percent of native Hawaiians, which helped allow for its annexation later on.

If this really does create issues with global supply lines, expect to see more investment in highly automated factories in the U.S. Maybe even an increase in 3-D printing options. If it's truly widespread and affects men more seriously than women, you may even see less of a gender disparity in China, which, ironically, could make it more stable long-term. I doubt it will do that much though.

Just for you, r305. Your fears are perfectly reasonable.

I am a physician's assistant who started out as an overworked an underpaid nursing assistant. I learned the majority o information regarding disease & infection control in my CNA days. I was actually appalled when I became familiar with the life cycle is germs, infections, and viruses while working in a nursing home. One of our local hospitals was known for transporting patients to our facility in nothing more than a hospital gown and no underwear. Many of them were infected with CDiff, and a few with MRSA. I never entered a room without first putting on gloves. It's true about hospitals being the best place to arch something.

😵 Good Luck, Everyone !

Christopher Martinson (@ the Peak Propserity you tube channel) has said that the virology and epidemiological models suggest that peak infection rates will occur in April, and will only begin to taper off at that time, with containment possible by July. If this virus has the high infectivity rate suggested by the cruise ship in Japan, that would mean an amazingly high infection rate. I can't imagine what millions of sick people would look like and I doubt we can really predict the long term effects.

There were two pieces of interesting data that came out over the weekend. First, cellphone data shows that the people who left Wuhan just before the lockdown (approximately 5 million people) traveled to every possible corner of the earth (with of course, the exception of Antarctica). Every single country, every single city. BUT when you look at the reported infections so far, there have been none in Africa or South America. Meaning that the infections are there but are not being reported. Maybe because the health systems are simply not capable of accurate diagnosis, or they do not have the reagents necessary to confirm the diagnosis or whatever. There is a huge Chinese presence in Africa (due to their many projects installing infrastructure in Africa, facilitating their mining for rare elements and petroleum).

This might suggest a bi-modal model of infection. With the first peak due to the virus as it exists in that Wet market/BSL-4 lab in Wuhan. But assuming minimal or no efforts are taken to control the infection in Africa and South America, means that mutations will occur and that some of them will make treatment (via vaccines or via anti-virals) difficult or impossible. Because those mutations will allow for resistant strains to evolve.

I have not seen these concerns addressed in the media at all. So I am waiting to see what the WHO reports are going to be in a week or two. And frankly, the CDC ought to be issuing reports too, making predictions of what might happen if quarantines are not instituted everywhere.

New Zealand, r307. We are of course absolutely controlled by our Chinese overlords and deathly afraid of being seen as racist, so kept letting flights full of students arrive well after every other country had stopped them.

I think we will have many cases appearing in the next few weeks.

39 more people infected on that cursed ship.

Death toll rises to 1110 in China

So is the panic about this similar or worse than what happened during the SARS outbreak? I just don't remember, myself.

Regarding self-isolation, remember when that US Network media doctor was self-quarantined in her palatial home, but broke it to go out with her staff to some take-out joint? She got fired, and that was a top gig. So, I don’t expect these people who need income and food to do so.

The vaccine may be problematic. According to Martinson, previous efforts to vaccinate against SARS CoV caused an unexpected immunopathology. It results in a sensitization to disease. So you could be vaccinated, then be challenged by an actual exposure to the virus, which would then trigger a cytokine storm and give you an infection that was more dangerous and more lethal than would have been the case without vaccination. It leads to multiple organ system failure. This apparently seems to be a common feature in "Emergent flu infections".

So we are about to face an interesting issue. Presumably 95% of the people who are infected with this coronavirus are never all that sick. Some never even know they have been infected. I am wondering if THESE people, if re-infected by new exposures to the virus, now undergo an exaggerated immune response. I don't think any one knows the answer to this yet, but I would be willing to bet the WHO and the CDC are going to want to follow the cruise-ship passengers for a very long time. Assuming a 3-4 week incubation period, then illness and then recovery, I would guess the first immunized (i.e., recovered from infection) people are going to start to be re-infected just about now. So in 4 weeks we might see a highly amplified formm of the pneumonia that has been lethal so far.

The cruise-ship passengers present a unique population. If they HAVE been infected, it is presumably by clones of the same virus that was in the original patient. And presumably they have been infected a minimal number of times. Whereas people "in the wild" so to speak, can possibly have been exposed to multiple virions all throughout their environments, many with single mutations that might distinguish them and might also generate different phenotypic effects. So that variability would make it difficult to interpret variability in follow-up studies. The Cruise-ship passengers are essentially single inoculates.

Huh. For the first time, I AM a little shaken.

There are no cases in NY.

[quote]It is human nature to deny the very existence of what frightens some of us the most.

It's also human nature to indulge in conspiracy theories and doomsday scenarios, as this thread demonstrates.

None in the Netherlands so far, which sort of surprises me. Schiphol Airport is such a major junction for international travelers.

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[quote] This could be the first pandemic that affects the world.

Erm, no. Black Death and 1919 influenza were pandemics.

“Pandemic” = affects all people (worldwide)

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According to CDC: “ Sporadic refers to a disease that occurs infrequently and irregularly. Endemic refers to the constant presence and/or usual prevalence of a disease or infectious agent in a population within a geographic area. Hyperendemic refers to persistent, high levels of disease occurrence. Occasionally, the amount of disease in a community rises above the expected level. Epidemic refers to an increase, often sudden, in the number of cases of a disease above what is normally expected in that population in that area. Outbreak carries the same definition of epidemic, but is often used for a more limited geographic area. Cluster refers to an aggregation of cases grouped in place and time that are suspected to be greater than the number expected, even though the expected number may not be known. Pandemic refers to an epidemic that has spread over several countries or continents, usually affecting a large number of people.”

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The damn Brits really have weird priorities. Booze, booze, booze. Like they're on vacation in Spain. Give us some booze and fast-food here mfs or we'll leave!!!!

Hey, as long as Shen Yun doesn’t darken our door this year.

Many flight attendants will tell you that airplanes are rarely, if ever, thoroughly cleaned and sanitized between flights. They claim there "just isn't enough time."

Pretty freaking lame.

[quote]THE WHO has announced an official name for the virus: Covid-19.

^Pardon the typo, it's actually the Covfefe-1 virus..

Better cancel the Summer Olympics ASAP !

The Brits were probably going through the DTs. You can’t start rehab in a quarantine ward. They had to given them alcohol of some kind.

Many years ago, before computers & video cameras & recorders everywhere, I worked in a hospital. There was a 711 next door. Supervisors would go there to buy beer for lactating mothers who couldn’t produce. At 2am, we’d go there and buy beer pretending it was for a mother whose breasts hurt, but we gave it alcoholics going through the DTs. We didn’t want to have to call the attending and house doctor was always up in ICU with really sick patients.

Give em a beer & hope the attending discharged him in 48-72 hours.

I hope Eurovision still happens. At least there would be a good excuse to bar the Aussies, who have no fucking right to participate in it, anyway.

[quote]THE WHO has announced an official name for the virus: Covid-19.

We won't get flu'd again!

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R309

Thanks.

People aren’t taking this seriously enough.

Sadly, I think the 45 million who could die, would be Africans, Indians, South Americans. 45 million poor, neglected people, people expendable as far as the white billionaires are concerned.

So, basically the same as HIV, cholera, typhus, whooping cough, TB, etc etc, then.

R320

When I was discussing this today it occurred to me that the cruise ship is the perfect petri dish for studying the outbreak. Breadth of infection, infectivity, case fatality rate, recovery, immune responses...they are unintentional guinea pigs.

R338

You deserve all the awards.

Please make that the title of the next thread!

Japan’s health ministry says that 39 more people on board the cruise ship have been confirmed as having the coronavirus. In addition, a quarantine official who was collecting forms on the ship has been infected.

Katsunobu Kato said the total of people infected on the ship was now 174. Four are in a serious condition.

You people need to chill.

Trump already mandated that the virus will die come summer.

It may spread to two thirds of the globe. And there's nothing one can do just yet.

R346, didn't he say by spring? Or maybe I heard that wrong.

The drunk at the end of the bar in Hitchcock's 'The Birds.'

He knows.

You mean this guy.

Thanks, r350! (my linky stinky)

CNN-160 million people in China will return to work next week

Some 160 million Chinese citizens are expected to return to work by February 18 as the country works to stabilize the economy amid the novel coronavirus outbreak.

Schools, businesses, and entire cities across China have been shut down for weeks. The coronavirus hit during Lunar New Year in January, a public holiday that was extended this year to allow people to stay home during the outbreak.

February 18 will mark the official end of the Spring Festival travel period, when millions of people return to places of work or residence after having traveled home for Lunar New Year, said China's State Council in a news conference yesterday.

CNN-40 new coronavirus cases on Japan cruise ship, including one quarantine officer

A total of 40 more novel coronavirus cases have been confirmed on the Diamond Princess cruise ship docked at Yokohama port, Japanese health minister Katsunobu Kato announced today.This brings the total number of cases from the ship to 175. It has been docked under quarantine since February 4, with the quarantine scheduled to end on February 19.

The 40 new cases include one quarantine officer who came on board to help with the quarantine, Kato said.

In a statement announcing the new cases, the cruise operator Princess Cruises said “we are following guidance from the Japan Ministry of Health on plans for disembarkation protocols to provide medical care for these new cases.”

CNN--US state of Georgia is monitoring 200 people who recently returned from China for the coronavirus

The travelers were in mainland China, outside Hubei province, with no known high-risk exposure. They show no symptoms and are self-isolating at home, according to the department.

How they identify travelers: Every day, Customs and Border Protection sends a list of Georgia travelers who have arrived from China to the state health department, which then reaches out to those travelers individually.

The department makes a plan with these individuals to monitor themselves for symptoms, and gives them instructions on what to do if they get sick.

So far, there are no Georgia travelers who have returned from Wuhan or Hubei province requiring quarantine, or any confirmed cases in Georgia, the department said.

Cases in the US: There have been 13 confirmed cases in the US: seven in California, two in Illinois, and one each in Arizona, Massachusetts, Wisconsin, and Washington.

This certainly is distressing...

Harvard epidemiologist thinks it’s just beginning...

R356 Thank you for posting that interview. It's very scary but it is scare mongering. The questions were great and the responses thoughtful and informative.

This is R357 That should read 'NOT fear mongering'. The responses were well thought out and pragmatic and completely within the realms of possibility.

The top medical adviser to China's government is predicting the country's massive coronavirus outbreak will peak later this month and may be over by April.

"We suppose the peak time may be reached at the middle or late this month,"Zhong Nanshan told Reuters in an exclusive interview, "then a little bit plateau, or something like that, and then going down."

His team's projection is based on mathematical modeling and observations about how the coronavirus has spread.

Zhong became well known for his work fighting SARS in 2003, when he criticized China's early response to the virus.

This time around, Zhong says the government has been more transparent and made the right move when it sealed off Wuhan.

While he criticized China's lax regulations regarding the sale of wildlife, Zhong says it's now clear that human-to-human transmission is to blame for the majority of infections.

"I didn't expect that the most striking thing is contagiousness," he said. "I didn't imagine it is so fast, in such a short time."

Zhong also said local health officials should take some responsibility for early shortfalls.

Chinese state media reported on Tuesday that two top health officials in Hubei province have been relieved of duty.

R313 Just a correction for you. The 1918 didn't reach all of the Pacific Islands at the same time. The islands under New Zealand control through shipping got infected quickly and had massive casualties (30 to 40% mortality rates). However, the islands under Australian quarantine regulations did not get the virus until 1922 by which time it was no worse than a simple cold and nobody died. I think some of the islands spared where French colonies.

New Zealand had lax quarantine processes. Australia had very strong quarantine processes.

Interestingly today the health minister issued a statement to the effect that the health and well being of Australians it the primary concern of the Government and if it crashes the economy so be it. Lives are more important.

If this thing starts getting worse, more cases showing up around the globe I have no doubt Australia will shut it borders to everyone. New Zealand will quickly follow. The codes messages that Government ministers are coming out with leave me in no doubt.

The human affairs minister stated two weeks ago that Australians traveling overseas anywhere (and that means Europe and the US as well) should reconsider their travel plans (i.e. cancel them and remain in the country).

Also polls taken about the Governments response to the virus have been in the 80 to 85% approval rating which is unheard of. The Australian Government will do whatever it takes to keep it out of Australia (and that isn't going to be easy if it has a longer incubation period and some people become super-spreaders).

[quote] The researchers found that nearly half of the coronavirus patients - 46.4% - had at least one underlying condition.

[quote] Most commonly, these chronic conditions were high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease and cancer.

[quote] High blood sugar levels that come with diabetes can eat away at molecules in the immune system that would normally help our bodies fight infection.

So diabetes is a precursor to becoming a Coronovirus patient?

R361 People in those groups are already at higher risk levels for the average flu. I'm surprised they have not mentioned people with lung related issues - they are also very vulnerable as are older people in general. As you age you immune system doesn't work as well as it did when you were younger.

And if people with underlying health issues only make up half the cases that doesn't bode well for all the people without any underlying health issues, who by the way the regular flu very very very very very rarely proves fatal.

There is still way too many unknowns to really know who is most at risk.

[quote] I am so freaked out by this

[quote] Coronavirus could kill 45 MILLION people and infect 60% of the global population if it cannot be controlled, top Hong Kong medical official warns

Meh. I’m reading up on the situation in China’s direct land-border neighbours - e.g. Kazakhstan, the biggest country in Central Asia - and no big outbreaks recorded there:

[quote] February 11, 2020: “Coronavirus Situation in Kazakhstan. There are no confirmed cases of coronavirus in Kazakhstan ... the ministry continues to conduct active prevention work. Intensive sanitary checks are being carried out at the border with China.”

NYT: “There are currently NO confirmed cases of coronavirus in Mongolia [China’s direct land-border neighbour] ... the government has taken stringent measures to prevent the spread of disease.”

[quote] The Diplomat: “Wuhan Coronavirus: What About Central Asia? There are, so far, NO confirmed cases of the coronavirus in Central Asia.

[quote] Like governments around the world, especially those bordering China and those with significant economic and travel ties to the country, Central Asia’s capitals have taken various precautionary measures.”

I’ve never been happier to be a young person still stuck in the small nowhere town I was raised in. This time last year I was lamenting my miserable fate and wondering when or if I could ever see the world and finally get out of this place..

The most this region ever sees of foreigners is a few hundred fruit-pickers from the most remote parts of Eastern Europe & Russia, a handful of of Aussie or Canadian tourists in summer, and the Turkish barber & Indian restaurant owner who live in town but don’t mix socially with the locals.

It’s still the U.K., sure, but not the easiest place on the island to access and a bit off the map to most. Geographically it’s a landlocked poorly-connected area high above sea-level and protected by a ring of snowy mountains, which helps. Xenophobic rural isolation has perks.

That said, the drawback is that my county gets comparatively little government Health funding plus our hospitals & clinics are understaffed/funded with few supplies. The population skews very old so it would decimate a swathe, practically wiping out a generation or two. The native people are poorly educated and the type to pick up pitchforks before acting with reason or empathy. So, if we do get an outbreak here it’s basically every man for himself.

I’m making to leave my retail job and move in with family in an even more rural spot in the next 8 weeks, hopefully getting some remote-work gigs to tide me over (my current Boss is skipping out on paying my wages so I was going to do that anyway). I hope this will make for extra protection.

The cure!!!

This explains how the new cases have “dropped.”

R368 The Guardian also made mention of this. It is really bad because it skews the numbers for example the real mortality rate, etc. Though true mortally rates of viruses are largely unknown because you do have large number of people who don't get sick enough to even go to a doctor in the first place so they never get tested and included in statistics.

But blatantly no including people who have tested positive is so wrong on so many levels. Imagine if they applied that process to HIV. Only if you got sick you were included which would led people to a false sense of security.

OOPS . . . . . . .

So what's this stupidity in San Diego, where a contagious patient was "mistakenly released due to a paperwork error" but of course when the hospital discovered the"error", the patient was snatched up and brought to the hospital ?

💀 Bon Voyage, Y'all !

39 New Cases reported on quarantined 🚢 Princess Cruise Ship

CNN---Canadian coronavirus patient no longer infectious

Ontario’s chief medical health officer said today that a patient with the novel coronavirus has recovered from the virus.

“The case has had two negative tests at least 24 hours apart and is therefore considered to be resolved. This means the individual is no longer infectious with the 2019 novel coronavirus,” Dr. David Williams said in a statement.

Seven cases of 2019 novel coronavirus have been confirmed in Canada, according to government figures. Three of the cases are in Ontario, with four cases in British Columbia.

The Canadian government has warned its citizens against all travel to Hubei province. It said the risk of the new coronavirus spreading within Canada remained low.

cnn---Coronavirus "tipping point" is still ahead says German health minister

The spread of novel coronavirus will get worse before it gets better, German health minister Jens Spahn warned at a press conference Wednesday.

“The tipping point has not yet been reached – neither in China, internationally nor in Germany,” Spahn said.

He added that the G7 group will hold another conference call Wednesday to coordinate their response to the spread of novel coronavirus.

The group -- which includes the US, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, Canada and Britain -- previously met in early February to discuss coordinating travel regulations and precautions as well as medical research and cooperation with the World Health Organization, the European Union and China.

CNN---After being turned away from multiple ports, the Westerdam cruise ship is now sailing for Cambodia

The Westerdam cruise ship, denied entry by at least four different authorities despite not having any confirmed coronavirus cases onboard, is now heading for Cambodia and will disembark its passengers Thursday, Holland America Line said in a Wednesday statement.

“Westerdam is now sailing for Sihanoukville, Cambodia, where the current cruise will end,” the statement reads. “We will arrive at 7:00 a.m. local time on Thursday, Feb. 13 and will remain in port for several days for disembarkation.”

“Guests will be able to go ashore. All approvals have been received and we are extremely grateful to the Cambodian authorities for their support.”

The company said that passengers will move from Sihanoukville to Phnom Penh on charter flights. Holland America said it would pay for all flights home, as well as the previously announced full cruise refund and “100% future cruise credit.”

The quarantine officer who got infected on the ship was taking temps and collecting questionnaires, had entered the cabins wearing mask and gloves in line with WHO guidelines but he didn't have a protective suit or goggles.

So masks alone don't work.

All these cruise ships are like Voyage of the Damned on steroids.

Coronavirus is a bigger threat than terrorism: World Health Organization

Coronavirus should be treated as “public enemy number one” — posing a bigger threat than terrorism, the World Health Organization has warned.

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus insisted Tuesday that the virus — now formally named COVID-19 — is “a very grave threat” well beyond China, where it originated and has killed at least 1,113 people.

The world needs to “wake up and consider this enemy virus as public enemy number one,” Tedros warned.

“A virus is more powerful in creating political, social and economic upheaval than any terrorist attack,” Tedros told reporters in Geneva.

“It’s the worst enemy you can imagine.”

So far, the virus has infected over 45,000 people worldwide — although 99 percent of the cases have occurred within China and only two fatalities have been reported outside the Chinese mainland.

But Tedros said it was “concerning” that person-to-person transmissions to people with no travel history to China had recently appeared in France and Britain.

His alert follows other warnings that 60 to 80 percent of the world’s population could be sickened by the virus, resulting in a massive global death toll.

I know no one here believes the official WHO statistics, but according to that data the epidemic peaked on Feb 4th.

45,000 people on a planet with a population of 5.5 BILLION.

R379, just you wait!

Girls you better think twice about ordering amazon. I worked in their warehouse and i have heard people coughing and sneezing while handling your packages. Who knows what got into those packages. Yes i have seen snot and saliva hanging on to those packages. Moreover, plenty of made in china packages. Who knows what is in there and what they gave to those worker?

Jesus, just wash your hands after opening the box. I always open my boxes outside anyway, sometimes fleas can travel in them.

If I can't order from Amazon then life isn't worth living anyway.

I read that the virus can live up to 9 days on surfaces?? Is this true?

R381 Patient Zero

Yes dear, it is true r384

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From the link above, top 5 cleanest airlines in the world. Two airlines from Japan, with Japan’s ANA taking top spot. Taiwan’s EVA is 2nd, followed by airlines from Singapore, South Korea, and another Japanese one. No American airlines even made the top 30 cleanest list. American and British flight travelers are the most disgusting. I have found on more than 3-4 occasions trash including used tissue paper inside the seat pocket in front of me that was leftover from god knows when.

First case confirmed in London.

London? You in danger, mate.

[quote]I have found on more than 3-4 occasions trash including used tissue paper inside the seat pocket in front of me

Seat-back pockets are the nastiest part of any passenger cabin. People stuff used tissue, dirty diapers, and even used tampons inside them. You couldn't pay me to touch one, much less put my own possessions inside one.

Why are the two hospitals built in wuhan still empty but for a handful of patients. "Meanwhile, the city was setting up emergency hospitals in exhibition halls and a sports stadium, and medics were still turning some ill people away. "

This article does not say so. Instead it talks about China's secretive system. Does anybody know?

Why are the two hospitals built in wuhan still empty but for a handful of patients. "Meanwhile, the city was setting up emergency hospitals in exhibition halls and a sports stadium, and medics were still turning some ill people away. "

This article does not say so. Instead it talks about China's secretive system. Does anybody know?

From The Guardian:

First case in London confirmed

The Guardian has confirmed that a coronavirus case has been diagnosed in London. The victim is understood to be a woman and is on her way to hospital, a source said.

Well isn't this just peachy...

"Nearly 700 positions are vacant at ⁦@CDCgov because of hiring freeze that affects programs supporting local+state public health emergency, infectious disease control and chronic disease prevention. "

R382, if you could avoid the coronavirus by simply washing your hands, then I guess the doctors and nurses that have been attending patients wearing a face shield, full head covering, mask, gloves, shoe covers and special clothing, and are still getting sick in the hundreds, need to hear all about your magical handwashing powers that eliminate a virus that no one can figure out how it’s being transmitted. The only thing people know for sure is the virus can live on surfaces for days, maybe as long as twenty days by one estimate. Another guess is that people are contaminating themselves when they remove their protective clothing, no matter how careful they are. It’s extremely contagious.

People have gotten the virus from living in an apartment building and using a toilet that was on the same plumbing line as an infected person on a different floor (same as SARS), or after taking every precaution imaginable. People shed virus long before they have any symptoms and it’s impossible to know someone is contagious by looking. One person appears to have gotten it after being exposed to a person showing no symptoms for fifteen seconds. They timed the interaction on the video.

You better hope you never get near this virus because if you do, you’re getting it.

From The Guardian-this is chilling:

The WHO officials are asked why the numbers of diagnoses is stabilising but the death rate is going up. Dr Ryan says that this is because the length of the illness is comparatively long, so we are now seeing the “end of life moments” of those who were diagnosed weeks ago.

R395, any info on what kind of interactions? for 15 seconds? That is so freaky!

I stood in line in the supermarket behind a couple from China. Their Chinese accent was obvious. I made sure I was at least 2 feet away from them...

The numbers of new cases are stabilizing because the Chinese’s new policy is that no one will be diagnosed until they are showing symptoms. We know now people are contagious for weeks before that. And they’re either out of test kits or very low and rationing what they have.

R397, I went to Costco a few days ago and there was an elderly Chinese woman speaking Chinese in the aisle. That Costco isn’t the closest one to Chinatown, but it’s not far either. I freaked out too, it’s not just you.

I think the interaction on the video was either they were in the same elevator, or waiting for an elevator together. So there was video. Later it turned out one of them had already had the virus, the other one got it from them.

The magic number is 6 feet. From CDC website.

"People with flu can spread it to others up to about 6 feet away. Most experts think that flu viruses spread mainly by droplets made when people with flu cough, sneeze or talk. These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs. Less often, a person might get flu by touching a surface or object that has flu virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes."

The NHL has a coronavirus problem

NBC broadcaster Pierre McGuire mentioned during Thursday’s game between the Sabres and Red Wings that team equipment managers have been talking about a shortage of sticks.

This is directly correlated to the fact that 75 percent of the sticks that NHL players use — custom composite sticks made by weaving and gluing synthetic fibers into one piece that is stronger than its individual parts — are made in China, where the deadly coronavirus has negatively impacted travel and the exportation of products.

Bauer, a hockey equipment company, told The Boston Globe that retail stores have enough sticks to make it through the rest of the season. The company, which provides 39 percent of the NHL’s sticks, said that custom orders have been stopped but that there is enough to last a decent amount of time. According to Bauer, production is supposed to increase again this week.

Still no cases in NY.

Warm weather won't do nothing. It's hot in Singapore and yet they have a lot of cases and many of them didn't even go to China.

Stop fingering yourselves with excitement.

There are 13 cases in the US. 11 of them were with patients in Wuhan. Only 2 from close contact with one of the 11 Wuhan-related patients . CDC ‘s Dr Suchat “noted that cases in the United States have not been as severe as they have been in China.”

Go back to your hermitic lives.

R404 thanks for saying that, I swear to god the amount of hysteria and jumping to conclusions on this thread, while entertaining is also rather concerning. Avoiding Asian shoppers because OMG they might have the virus? Really? We in the LGB community should understand how hysteria can lead to hatred and discrimination. Look no further than AIDS/ HIV and how the gay community was demonized and shunned out of hysteria.

If those of us in healthcare aren’t at the freaking out stage yet then so shouldn’t you guys be either. I have a friend, a fellow NP, who works at the airport medical clinic and treats patients for travel medicine, urgent care, and immigration health exams, and occupational health. He sees travelers from all around the world passing through a busy international airport, so he’s pretty much at the front lines. He says there is nothing you can do but to follow protocols and precautions. He’s not letting unwarranted hysteria take over. The only thing though that had affected his life was when some guy he’d met on Surge and had hung out with suddenly started questioning if he’d been exposed to the virus, for no good reason other than being a hysterical queen. My friend dumped him.

r395, OK I'll grant you that . So get one of those UVC wands and open your box with disposable gloves. According to you, the UPS/FEDEX/USPS driver will get it anyway and won't be around to deliver your goods.

there must be some kind of vaccine because I doubt very much that President Xi would have been out around all those people yesterday with just a face mask.

R394, one of my friends works for the CDC and they were asking him to go to another state to test people despite the fact that he is a pencil pusher with absolutely no medical experience of any kind.

[quote]Stop fingering yourselves with excitement.

The fingering won’t stop until the next loon-magnet comes along. Their lives haven’t had this much purpose since Pizzagate.

This is the official freak out thread!! If you don’t like it, tough!

R409 Simply because some may view this as a serious threat to public health, and wish to express their concerns doesn't make them loons or pizzagate people. To you, as well as similar posters, might I gently suggest not to continue with this thread then.

Many of us live in large cities, take public transport, have to fly, and have friends and family on other continents. Someone rational would concede not everyone's threat level is quite the same, rather than resorting to name calling here. Aside from a few odd remarks, most posts contain links to news articles, or updates with video. I'm really not seeing pizzagate-level bullshit here, just genuinely concerned posters interested in others' points of view.

Is it safe to see Parasite? Perhaps the film should be banned.

[quote]fingering yourselves with excitement

Pics please.

R404 & R409 go into a thread with "Freakout" in the title and get all annoyed that people are freaking out. If only there was a way for them to avoid such a situation that annoys them like this.

New numbers: 14k new cases and 245 deaths.

I’m not annoyed; I’m amused by the ignorance and conspiracy theories. But in case you’ve forgotten, this is part four of the thread linked below.

[quote]People Freaking Out Over Corona Virus

[quote]Really need to calm the fuck down.

They now include "clinically diagnosed cases" , explaining the higher numbers for today.

[quote]Girls you better think twice about ordering amazon. I worked in their warehouse and i have heard people coughing and sneezing while handling your packages. Who knows what got into those packages. Yes i have seen snot and saliva hanging on to those packages. Moreover, plenty of made in china packages. Who knows what is in there and what they gave to those worker?

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, when I handle any deliveries, I immediately wash my hands. If I order something like a phone case, I wipe it with lysol/clorox wipes before putting it on my phone.

So the 10X increase is the result of not having to confirm the diagnosis with the tests. The shortage of tests was keeping the number of cases reported artificially low. The higher number makes a lot more sense given the precautions taken in China.

China's reaction has really been the thing that's gotten my attention. Something big is happening when a country decides to quarantine 60 million people indefinitely.

CNN--Death toll jumps by 242 in Hubei province while the global death toll from coronavirus rises to 1,357

The Hubei health authority reported that 242 more people died from the coronavirus in Hubei province on Wednesday, raising the death toll in the epicenter since the beginning of the outbreak to 1,310.

This brings the total number of deaths in mainland China to at least 1,355. The global death toll is at least 1,357, with one death in Hong Kong and another in the Philippines.

Hubei authorities confirmed an additional 14,840 cases of the virus in Hubei on Wednesday, which brings the total number of cases in the epicenter of the outbreak to 48,206. The 14,840 figure includes both test confirmed cases and clinically diagnosed cases.

The government explained they are now adding "clinically diagnosed cases" in the tally of cases to make it easier for these patients to receive treatment early.

There have been 33,693 patients hospitalized in Hubei, including 1,437 who are in critical condition, according to the health authority, adding that 3,441 patients have recovered and been discharged.

cnn--New coronavirus case confirmed in southern California

A new case of the coronavirus has been confirmed in Southern California’s Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego County, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention press officer Ana Toro told CNN.

This is the second evacuee from Wuhan, China under quarantine at MCAS Miramar to test positive.

More details: This is the 14th confirmed case in the US and the eighth in California.

Anyone a trifle annoyed by the second name change for this scourge? I thought nCoV 2019 was good enough. Then a big fuss was made about not being offensive with new naming taxonomy. We should cease using place names, geographical terms, etc. I felt at that point the current "temporary" name sufficed under those stipulations. (though I'll admit I was keen on WuFlu, and CoVfefe)

Then the powers that be arrived at COVID-2019. I felt that wasn't any more concise or less awkward. Now these apes rename it a second time as SARS-CoV-2. Madness. Kung-Flu, or Bat Soup Grip even sound better to me.

The virus is SARS-CoV-2, and the illness it causes is COVID-2019.

China is so fucking screwed.

[quote]Then a big fuss was made about not being offensive with new naming taxonomy. We should cease using place names, geographical terms, etc

This is nothing new. The WHO issued the new naming guidelines in 2015.

Somebody up there has been right all along,

Here is what the link in R427 was meant to say:

Hubei province reports 14,840 new confirmed cases and 242 deaths China’s Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, reported an uptick of 14,840 confirmed coronavirus cases Thursday as health officials expanded the type of cases that it includes in its count. The province also reported 242 new deaths. China’s state-run Xinhua News Agency announced Thursday that national health authorities issued revised guidelines to consider “clinically diagnosed” coronavirus cases in the confirmed total. Chinese officials previously only counted cases confirmed by nucleic acid tests, which critics said were faulty and greatly underestimated the true magnitude of the epidemic. For weeks, Chinese doctors and patients have complained about a lack of nucleic acid testing kits and their accuracy. The dramatic jump in cases in Hubei essentially confirms longtime suspicions that China was for weeks vastly undercounting cases of the virus. Hubei’s total number of confirmed cases now stands at more than 48,000, with more than 1,300 deaths.

R409

You will probably be the first person infected in your tenement building.

Poor, stupid people don’t live long during pandemics.

I hope your death is painless, as much as possible.

R410 r414 actually this was supposed to be corona Calm down thread. The original op and thread specifically mentioned that there is nothing to freakout over. If you need to mary over this please feel free to do so at the other corona threads.

Oh do fuck off, hall monitor @ R430

The “rebranding” of #COVID19 is bizarre.

WuFlu was improper, and CoViD-19 broke protocols, but this screams “narrative control”.

It's not rebranding, and it's not bizarre. It's standard scientific procedure when dealing with a new disease.

It was initially contracted through mutual masturbation.

cnn--44 new coronavirus cases confirmed on Diamond Princess cruise ship

Another 44 people have tested positive for the novel coronavirus aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship docked in Yokohama, Japanese health minister Katsunobu Kato said on Thursday.

This bring the total number of cases on the ship to 219, including one Japanese quarantine officer -- the largest outbreak of the virus outside of mainland China.

Kato did not give a breakdown by nationality of the new cases, nor of passengers versus crew.

Floating quarantine: More than 3,700 passengers and crew are stuck on the cruise ship in Yokohama that became a floating quarantine zone after dozens of people tested positive for the novel coronavirus earlier this month.

The number of infections is increasing by the day. On Wednesday, Kato announced 40 new cases among those on board.

CNN’s latest tally indicates that at least 24 Americans have tested positive.

Some respite: The health minister also said that people who have tested negative for the virus and are over 80 years old, or have a non-virus medical condition requiring attention, will be allowed to leave the ship and move to a government medical facility, if they wish. He did not give a timeline for that process.

An unknown number of passengers with non-virus medical conditions were allowed to disembark earlier on Tuesday.

The CDC is remaking some coronavirus test kits that had inconclusive results

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Wednesday that it’s remaking parts of coronavirus test kits because some produced inconclusive test results.

The CDC had sent kits to states to speed up testing. For quality control, the states then had to verify that the kits worked before testing patients -- but some kits returned inconclusive results during this verification process.

Some states said the results they were getting weren’t false negatives or false positives, but were inconclusive, said the CDC. So it's remaking the one reagent in the test that is not performing consistently.

Which labs are affected: State labs that have been successful in verifying the test kit works can go forward with the testing. Those that haven’t been successful will have to wait for the CDC to ship out the replacement components. The CDC did not confirm how many states were affected or when they might receive the replacement components.

Which labs are affected: State labs that have been successful in verifying the test kit works can go forward with the testing. Those that haven’t been successful will have to wait for the CDC to ship out the replacement components. The CDC did not confirm how many states were affected or when they might receive the replacement components.

“We have multiple levels of quality control to detect issues just like this one. We’re looking into all of these issues to understand what went wrong, and to prevent these same things from happening in the future.”

CNN-United Airlines extends suspension of flights to China until late April

United Airlines said on Wednesday that it will extend the suspension of flights to China and Hong Kong until April 24.

The destinations affected are Beijing, Chengdu, Shanghai and Hong Kong.

How will this affect tourism from China, even after the virus “runs its course”? I should think dramatically. A lot of the middle classes will take a huge financial hit, I guess.

I hope Panda Express doesn't go bankrupt. The one I pass everyday near my building has been mostly empty since this broke. I do love me some orange chicken every now then.

Warning: The following should not be viewed by R404/R409 as their cognitive dissonance shall result in a fit of apoplexy. This warning should be heeded by others who declare "Nothing to see here. No worse than flu." It isn't a conspiracy theory, it's reality sadly. You just continue to rely upon the official CCP figures, and remain in your cozy bubbles.

I have heard similar reports from others at crematoriums.

R426 Never did I say it was new, however a big fuss has been made recently of people, including physicians and scientists referring to it early on as "China Virus", and "Wuhan Virus".

This has been popular in the local media in Asia. I have many friends in Singapore and Hong Kong. If you care to see news reports from Asian media outlets (check YouTube), you shall see despite rules in 2015, many atill took to the airwaves and their words were broadcasted. That is why there has been such debate and remonstrating those who may be perceived as racist, or culturally insensitive.

Official numbers coming from the CCP are now in excess of 60K. I recommend Roylab Stats for their live page on YouTube.

^ 60K infected

CNN--Confused about the widened diagnosis for coronavirus? Here's a breakdown

The Chinese province at the center of the novel coronavirus outbreak reported a record spike in deaths Thursday, bringing the total number to more than 1,300 infections globally.

Hubei announced an additional 242 deaths and 14,840 cases of the virus as of Thursday morning, the largest single-day rise since the epidemic began and almost 10 times the number of cases confirmed the previous day.

The government explained the spike is due to a change in how cases are tabulated.

What now counts as a confirmed case? The total will now include "clinically diagnosed cases" after rising numbers of residents complained about the difficulty in getting tested and treated for the virus.

Who falls into that category? "Clinically diagnosed cases" are those patients who demonstrate all the symptoms of the novel coronavirus but have been unable to be scientifically tested, or died before they were tested.

What effect will this have? The hope is that more people will be able to receive treatment by allowing doctors to diagnose them with the virus.

Case number confusion: The massive increase in the number of cases exposes confusion over just how to diagnose the virus globally.

Delayed diagnosis: Delays in diagnosing the virus could be significant. There are reports of patients waiting up to a week for their results, as the testing kits were sent from Hubei to a lab in Beijing. While there have been efforts to speed up the process, scientific testing of samples is difficult and time consuming, and allowing doctors to diagnose patients will enable far more people to receive treatment, including in several purpose-built hospitals dedicated to treating the virus in Wuhan.

Not just China: In the US, the CDC currently requires that all potential samples are shipped to its central laboratories for full testing.

Hubei Communist Party chief replaced as heads roll in coronavirus epicenter

Heads are starting to roll as the outbreak shows no sign of abating at the epicenter. This latest replacement came after two officials in charge of Hubei's provincial health authority were sacked earlier this week.

[quote]The virus is SARS-CoV-2, and the illness it causes is COVID-2019.

You're drunk

CNN--Pharmacies in Nanjing banned from selling fever and cough medicine

Pharmacies in the eastern Chinese city of Nanjing have been banned from selling all fever and cough medicine in the hope that residents with fever or coughing will seek treatment in hospitals instead, Nanjing's propaganda department posted on its official Weibo account.

This follows similar policy in the eastern city of Hangzhou, according to the statement.

Meanwhile in Beijing, pharmacies are being urged to register all customers who buy fever and cough medicine.

They are required to register their names, addresses, ID card numbers and contact information, as well as the symptoms, according to state-run news agency Xinhua.

Shanghai Fashion Week canceled due to coronavirus -- as China's absence is felt on runways from Milan to Paris

R446 do facts hurt you somehow? That's the virus name and resulting illness. Look it up.

Economic impacts are severely underestimated.

Touché, R449

Diamond Princess crew member speaks out as experts question coronavirus quarantine

A “scared” crew member aboard the coronavirus-stricken Diamond Princess cruise has spoken out — claiming staffers aren’t being quarantined the same way as passengers and are getting sick.

Sonali Thakkar, 24, told CNN she fears the virus may be spreading among the 1,000-person crew on the ship — which is currently docked in Japan — because workers are still serving cabin-bound passengers and interacting with each other.

“There are many places where we all are together, not separated from each other,” Thakkar told the outlet. “Especially when we sit in the same mess hall and eat together, the place where it can spread very fast.”

Thakkar said she and a colleague have now come down with a fever and a cough, and she has finally been isolated in her cabin in recent days.

Workers are “really scared and tense,” she said.

“We just want every crew member to be tested and separated from the rest of the people who are infected. Because we don’t know who is carrying the virus or how fast it is spreading,” she said.

The fears come after 39 additional cases of the coronavirus were identified on the ship Tuesday, bringing the total to 174.

Passengers and workers diagnosed with the illness have been taken off the ship to local hospitals, but the incubation period can last more than a week, and only 439 of the 3,600 people on board have been tested so far, according to the New York Times.

Princess Cruises, which operates the vessel, insisted in a statement that “it was not unexpected that additional cases would be reported involving individuals who were exposed prior to the start of the quarantine,” USA Today reported.

It said in a statement on its site that crew members who have been cleared after an initial health screening “are fulfilling their duties as required” and that tests are ongoing.

But experts are questioning whether the on-board quarantine is really effective.

“The most vulnerable people on that ship are the crew because my understanding is they’re not isolated in the same way that passengers are. They’re coming into contact with dirty dishes,” said Gisele Norris, a doctor of public health at Aon National Healthcare.

Anthony Santella, an associate professor of Public Health at Hofstra University, said that another issue with the ship quarantine is that it relies on passengers and workers to follow the rules, even as they’re freaking out.

“You’re relying a lot on peoples’ ability to follow instructions, and not go mad about the situation,” Santella told The Post. “It can be tricky in this situation.”

He said the best way for the cruise to maintain order is to provide real-time updates about the outbreak on the vessel.

“If people have to rely on the internet then there’s something wrong,” Santella said. “They should be getting that information.”

Dr. Nancy Messonnier with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday that they’re “working closely with the [Japanese] embassy and figuring out what the next steps are” for US passengers.

She confirmed that there are “definitely” Americans among the passengers who tested positive for the coronavirus, but was unable to say how many had been infected.

[quote] The NHL has a coronavirus problem ... game between the Sabres and Red Wings that team equipment managers have been talking about a shortage of sticks.

[quote] This is directly correlated to the fact that 75% of the sticks that NHL players use are made in China, where the deadly coronavirus has negatively impacted travel and the exportation of products.

Good, R401. Hope this finally teaches those spoiled NHLers and AHLers to finally STOP breaking expensive sticks for no good reason during their hysterical tantrums.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

In this case ^^ the terrible article says incubation could be as long as 24 days, not 14 days as assumed previously. It looks pretty well researched:

“The research was co-authored by Dr Zhong Nanshan, who discovered the SARS coronavirus in 2003 and has been appointed as a leading advisor in managing the current coronavirus crisis.“

R408, did your friend accept the deployment? (SFO? NIOSH?)

“We don't know where this outbreak will go,” WHO spokesperson tells CNN

The World Health Organization (WHO) says it’s too early to make any predictions on when the novel coronavirus will be contained.

"We don't know exactly where this outbreak will go. It can go either way," WHO spokesperson Tarik Jasarevic told CNN's John Berman on New Day Thursday.

"One of the reasons why it's difficult to predict is we still don't know much about the virus."

China reported 15,000 new cases of coronavirus Thursday, and Jasarevic explained the dramatic spike is a result of how cases are being tallied.

"Now not only people who are confirmed by laboratory testing are being reported but also people who presented clinical symptoms and have been diagnosed clinically without going through testing," said Jasarevic.

The change allows untested patients to get the same treatments as those who have been confirmed, he added.

Jasarevic said more studies are needed on the spread of the virus in the population in order to determine whether the outbreak is bigger than previously thought.

"There may be more [mild] cases. People who do not see the doctor or people who see a doctor but are not necessarily tested," he said.

cnn--First Japanese death from coronavirus reported and victim was not from cruise ship

Japan has recorded its first death from the novel coronavirus, the country's health minister Katsunobu Kato said Thursday evening local time.

The Japanese woman, in her 80s, did not come from the Diamond Princess cruise ship which is in quarantine in Yokohama port, near Tokyo.

Taxi driver in Japan tests positive for coronavirus

A taxi driver in the Japanese capital Tokyo has tested positive for the novel coronavirus, Japanese state broadcaster NHK reported on Thursday.

According to NHK, the taxi driver said he had driven one customer that appeared to be Chinese. Japan's health ministry is currently investigating how the taxi driver was infected.

Japan now has a total of 248 confirmed cases of the coronavirus, including 219 cases from the Princess Diamond cruise ship.

CNN--"As each day passes, the chances of evacuation slip by:" Nigerian students "abandoned" in Wuhan

Victor Vincent is one of around 50 Nigerian students living in Wuhan -- the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak -- who say they've been abandoned by their country, their repeated pleas for evacuation and medical supplies largely ignored by government officials.

The students say they, along with over a dozen other Nigerian teachers and businesspeople living in Hubei province, have repeatedly written and called Nigerian government officials requesting assistance. But they say very little has been forthcoming in return.

Many countries, including the US, the UK and Japan, are working to evacuate their citizens from Wuhan. Nigeria is yet to take such a step.

Requests for evacuation, medical supplies: As well as evacuation, Vincent, who is an executive of the Nigerian Students in Wuhan Association, said they've asked the government for medical supplies, such as masks, goggles, gloves and disinfectant.

Money for food: The association received a grant of 20,000 yuan ($2,870) from the Nigerian ambassador to China last Thursday. The money was provided to "assist us in procuring foodstuffs and medical supplies," Vincent said.

Chances of evacuation slip by: "Other than that, the situation remains the same. We still have no clear indication on when we are getting evacuation, where we will be quarantined or even if that will happen at all," Vincent said.

CNN reached out to the Nigerian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and to the Nigerian embassy in Beijing, but has not received a response.

Nigeria, the most populous and arguably corrupt African nation would be wise to leave those people there in Wuhan.

r460

The Nigerians are more likely to infest the Chinese with Malaria, AIDS, Ebola, Marburg or any other host of tropical illnesses (Which are serious) rather than get the simple flu

Small businesses located in New York’s Chinatown are losing customers over unsubstantiated fears of coronavirus, according to Gregg Bishop, commissioner of NY's Department of Small Business Services. “Business owners are telling us revenues are down 40% in Chinatown,” he says "And it's unfounded."

Follow along with a CNN photojournalist on his flight from Germany to China as airlines ramp up safety measures over the coronavirus

A total of 219 cases of coronavirus have been confirmed on a cruise ship quarantined in Japan. @willripleyCNN speaks to a father quarantined on board with 10 family members, including kids, to get a look at what daily life looks like on that ship.

"Caronavirus to take a STRONG FOOTING in the United States."

Da Fuq? What's that supposed to mean, EXACTLY?

15th case in USA!

CDC today confirmed another infection with Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) in the United States. The patient is among a group of people under a federal quarantine order at JBSA-Lackland in Texas because of their recent return to the U.S. on a State Department-chartered flight that arrived on February 7, 2020.

CNBC: US (according to senior white house official) doesn't have high confidence in China virus info, China continues to rebuff US's offer of assistance.

R440 are you in healthcare, public health, or have any sort of background in science? None of my posts have denied that this virus isn’t concerning, but that the level of panic from the likes of hysterical queens like you is unwarranted. We should be worried but not at the levels of hysteria demonstrated by some posts here. I’ve offered my views and experience as someone who worked and is currently working in healthcare. FWIW and I’m not claiming to be an expert, but my DNP training and education also involved studying public health. I post my own insights when I see outright distortions in certain posts. I’m the one who posted about my first patient being an AIDS patient. Also recently posted on why the case study on the stable patient treated with remdesivir, trotted out as potential “cure” of fulminant pneumonia caused by coronavirus, is nothing but a case study and nothing denoting it as curative treatment. I did that in response to hysterical posts such as how substance X will cure the virus or how hospital disinfectants are unable to kill the coronavirus. It’s ignorance and hysteria of that magnitude that draws me to follow and post on this thread. You can continue to monitor this thread in attempts to weed out others who don’t share in conspiracy theories and unscientific articles as truths.

We should not make public health policies based on conspiracy theories and rumors, and I’m someone who’s critical of the CDC including in its handling of past outbreaks including the ebola virus. I also think the WHO is a political pawn that strays too political when it should solely focus on mitigating strategies. China is also fucked up in a major way and not being entirely transparent about facets of the outbreak. But knowing what I know about public health and China, I believe most of that is rooted in incompetence and unpreparedness on the part of Chinese public health authorities.

If you want effective policies and protocols then they must be based in science and evidence based practice. Or should we have officials who chuck all of that in favor of hysteria under these circumstances? You know hysteria works both ways, it actually hinders containment as demonstrated by those living under ebola outbreaks believing it was medical workers who gave them the disease. At the end of the day, use common sense and trust reputable sources. Not denying though it’s fun to speculate and I do it too. Key is to not let speculation turn into action, like avoiding Asian shoppers. Also keep in mind not every published medical journals are peer-reviewed. I’ll try to post links of new and interesting developments as I can easily access them due to my work.

I was on my way to get Chinese food on the weekend but I just couldn’t bring myself to do it. What if the chef/family had just returned from China? I can see why people are concerned.

[quote]The Nigerians are more likely to infest the Chinese with Malaria

Oh, dear.

normal day at work in China.

I wonder what they're spraying that they think will kill the virus without killing the people.

R473 that disinfectant spray is a traditional Chinese medicine that’s made of pangolins, bats, snakes and rhino horns.

Maybe an alcohol solution? What ever it is, it must stink of chemicals in an enclosed environment. And will probably damage the furnishings. If it’s bleach related, it’s probably dangerous to even be in there. If it’s alcohol related, it’s a fire hazard.

According to this latest Bible Code

it will not end well for America (sometime in 2021-2028) =

R469 I must say, I was completely unaware of the prerequisites to post here: No, I do NOT work in public health. Do I have a science background? Yes, indeed; I'm very overeducated for my station. I'm a former science writer, and I earned an MPhil in Public Health at Cambridge in 1990.

Nothing I have posted qualifies as "conspiratorial rubbish", as someone quite famous in government said a few days ago regarding videos out of China portraying things on the ground. I don't see how anyone with a brain can dismiss all of these first hand testimonies, when it is nearly impossible to obtain a proper data set from the CCP. All of the figures used by WHO and CDC come from that source. Others, like me will continue to pay attention to these ground zero accounts. It is for us to weigh them in importance with our own brains, and use our G-d given abilities to arrive at our own conclusions. It simply isn't your place to respond negatively and pick apart each post I contribute here. It seems you have allowed a few of my posts here and there to slip, without your rebuttal and critique, so I suppose I ought to be thankful it's more like every OTHER post you reply to with negativity and put downs.

In closure I shall add you are a discredit to your training, education, and chosen profession when you resort to ad hominem attacks, such as calling me "an hysterical queen". Never did I resort to name calling, insulting others' intelligence, or the like here. Your comments go beyond rude, they are nasty and homophobic, and completely immature. I cannpt imagine interacting with anyone such as you professionally, as you lack simple respect and civility. If you still feel good about your bloody lecture, you are sadly beyond redemption.

Coronavirus is the latest "caravans."

It is interesting to take note of HK and Singapore media now reporting CCP figures do NOT include those patients with confirmed virus, if they are well, and not exhibiting symptoms. This amounts to complete fallacy to me, unless they have no faith whatsoever in the rRtT-PCR assays.

I suspect this may account for the 1,343 and counting suspected cases. Surely after the spike in figures, changes in "accounting practices", one must continue to seriously consider other intel coming from the ground in our RATIONAL assessment.

^ Correction, 13, 435 SUSPECTED cases.

R480, there was a huge bump up in figures the last couple of days, because they are now counting people that haven’t been tested using the official test, but they are confirmed due to lung scans or similar means.

I think that’s the Chinese government’s way of gradually getting people used to the true figures. If you look at recent graphs, reporting was showing fewer and fewer cases per day. Suddenly it skyrocketed in one day as the criteria were adjusted.

I have no idea how they thought they were going to report no new cases, as test strips were unavailable, and yet practically firebomb entire towns with disinfectant and wall up entire skyscraper apartment buildings. There’s too much video of people having their doors knocked down and being arrested, in many cases beaten and bloodied, to think the danger is over. “Nothing to see here, move along,” isn’t even supported by the government's actions themselves.

Cheers R481 ...I suspect they (CCP) have many sets of figures. Who really can say which ones they're disclosing currently. I'm betting some of the prior casualties of pneumonia and other respiratory infections have been added to the mortalities.

I think the posters admonishing some of us who post here are the ones that are tantamount to "nothing to see here". I find those who trust the CCP figires at all are the ones involved in the TRUE conspiracy here.

That is further evidenced by all the pleas for us to calm down. I think the Chinese are in high gear, especially in Hubei province, and other large cities such as Shanghai and Beijing. In Shenzhen however, I still see videos coming out from posters filming outside , and not wearing face masks.

Me no want none dat Hong Kong FLUEY!

Sanjay Gupta visited the Director of the CDC Robert Redfield. He says the outbreak is definitely out of control, and it will probably last past the year. Says it’s above the CDC’s pay grade that they aren’t in China, it’s political.

Fifteen cases in the U.S. now. He sounded generally discouraging. He thought containment was our best bet.

But they’re still letting people go after fourteen days, last I heard. I saw one report that said it might go even farther than the twenty four days they think incubation is now. North Korea is now quarantining anyone entering the country for thirty days. Which is more realistic, honestly.

The CDC didn't even make test kits that work properly...I wonder how many positive people tested negative?

We're doomed.

Where did they get the test kits, China? Theirs don’t work either. False negatives everywhere.

You think we’re doomed now, R485, I saw an unconfirmed report that the incubation period could be as long as 42 days. If that’s anywhere near true, the whole planet will have it before we know it.

Calm down. There may be a vaccine.

Can you post the link to that video, R472?

R484 he said it's going to last throughout the whole of 2020?

I would give 5 to 1 odds that the death toll is four times higher, and the number of infected is five times higher.

I would give 5 to 1 odds that the death toll is four times higher, and the number of infected is five times higher.

Even if this was isolated tomorrow, the economic knock off effects will be extremely damaging to the US economy, and to the world economy. Far too many small items that are necessary for high technology use are either manufactured only in China, but even if 1 of those pieces is missing, your phone or car or laptop won’t work.

Readjusting the supply chains will take months.

Don’t forget that the vast majority of medicines and precursors are produced in China.

Our society is about to undergo an incredibly painful shift.

Well, I hope all HIV and Prep sluts stocked up on their meds. This is gonna be a rocky ride the next couple of months. We already have shortages of antibiotics and other meds. Thankfully India is also a big supplier and we haven't heard about any cases there yet.

I feel fine.

If you don’t believe this is a problem, why do you keep posting on these threads?

If you DO believe this is a problem, why do YOU keep posting on these threads instead of spending your time developing your plan to protect yourself from this great evil that is being unleashed upon the world?

This guy (Matthew Tye) has lived in China for the last 12 years. He is arried and has a child. He provides a New Yorker's view of what is going on in China. Today a paper from Los Alamos was published in MedRxiv said the R0 is 6 and that the virus is not controllable.

This situation IS dire I was pretty sure people were just over-reacting but now I think it is going to be very very bad. In China, what we have been told by the government is completely opposite from the truth: it is NOT true that the majority of infected people never have symptoms. The government was saying 95% of people have a mild flu at worst, and that only the 5% sought medical care and that ony 2% of those died. In fact, the death toll is likely above 60,000. 2/3 of the people who have died, died at home, because they were unwilling to go to those hospitals, from which people do not return. In singaore, there have been 58 confirmed cases, and 9 of those have died so far. that is a 15% mortality rate, but still early. More of the 58 might die.

I don't know how long we will be able to keep it at bay in the US, but it does sound unavoidable.

R490, R484 here. I didn’t believe it myself, but it is literally on the banner at the bottom of the screen.

A couple of things: this was broadcast today. He says 1-2 years to get a vaccine produced and out there.

He was asked repeatedly if it was political. He refused to say the word political but made it very clear it was.

He said repeatedly it was out of control, and seemed to think it was inevitable that it would get out into the population, that we were just buying time.

He said it would be like the seasonal flu, but we don’t understand it at all.

Look at this guy’s demeanor carefully. He’s fed up.

I tried posting the video and it’s not working, but it’s at CNN Health right now.

It’s not letting me post the interview. Here’s the title:

CDC director: Novel coronavirus 'is probably with us beyond this season, beyond this year' By Jacqueline Howard, CNN

Updated 10:08 PM ET, Thu February 13, 2020

I died from bird flu in 1997.

Here’s some of the text of the accompanying article, but it’s not exactly the same.

As an outbreak of a novel coronavirus has swept through Hubei province, China, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been preparing for its worst case scenario -- a widespread outbreak of illnesses in the United States.

Right now we're in an aggressive containment mode," CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta in an interview on Thursday. "We don't know a lot about this virus," he said. "This virus is probably with us beyond this season, beyond this year, and I think eventually the virus will find a foothold and we will get community-based transmission.

While more research is needed to fully understand the virus, Redfield told Gupta that the CDC has focused on surveillance to track cases and containment strategies to slow possible progression of the virus in the United States. Slowing progression gives more time for researchers to work on developing and testing a vaccine and antiviral drugs for this novel coronavirus. Currently, there is no known cure for the virus.

The containment phase is really to give us more time. This virus will become a community virus at some point in time, this year or next year," Redfield said. "We don't have any evidence that this coronavirus is really embedded in the community at this time, but with that said, we want to intensify our surveillance so that we're basing those conclusions based on data."

Hong Kong Flu, SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Ebola, now Coronavirus. All of them were the imminent end of the world.

Part II of Redfield interview:

World Health Organization officials and other experts have criticized travel restrictions on foreign nationals, even arguing that such restrictions could backfire. "We reiterate our call to all countries not to impose restrictions that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade. Such restrictions can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit," WHO Director-General Tedros Ahanom Ghebreyesus said last week during a media briefing in Geneva.

Frankly, some people criticized when we decided that we wanted to temporarily suspend travel into the United States from individuals who were not Americans or permanent residents who had been in the hot zone in the last 14 days. Some people didn't think that that was what they would do," Redfield told Gupta on Thursday.

"Well, we felt very strongly that our obligation was to do all we can to protect the American public," Redfield said. "I would rather be criticized for over-protecting America than under-protecting America at this stage."

I died from SARS in 2007.

Part III of Redfield interview:

When it comes to preventing spread of the virus and learning more about the pathogen, Redfield told Gupta that he thinks asymptomatic transmission of the novel coronavirus is possible and concerning.

In other words, Redfield said that an infected person not showing symptoms could still transmit the virus to someone else, based on what he has learned from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

"There's been good communication with our colleagues to confirm asymptomatic infection, to confirm asymptomatic transmission, to be able to get a better handle on the clinical spectrum of illness in China. What we don't know though is how much of the asymptomatic cases are driving transmission," Redfield said.

"What I've learned in the last two weeks is that the spectrum of this illness is much broader than was originally presented. There's much more asymptomatic illness," Redfield said. "A number of the confirmed cases that we confirmed actually just presented with a little sore throat."

cnn--Hundreds of frontline medics in China likely infected with coronavirus

Ning Zhu, a nurse in Wuhan, the central Chinese city at the heart of the deadly coronavirus outbreak, is restless.

Instead of helping on the frontlines, she has been under self-quarantine at home for weeks, after a chest scan on January 26 revealed that she had a suspected case of the novel coronavirus.

Zhu was told to wait for a nucleic acid test that would provide the final verdict, but it never came.

"Right now, it's really a problem. Our hospital already has more than 100 people who are quarantined at home," she told CNN over the phone.

The Chinese health authorities have so far not disclosed the number of infections of health care workers. But accounts shared with CNN and seen on social media suggest that the extent of the infection could be in the high hundreds.

In Wuhan there are 398 hospitals and nearly 6,000 community clinics.

From reading the article it’s apparent CDC does not agree with WHO kowtowing to Chinese politicians. And they’re not the only ones, international organizations are furious with WHO right now. They’re putting trade ahead of health and pushing to keep borders open.

R506, thank you for your posts.

I died from Legionnaires disease in 1976

Is the Antichrist-in-the-White House supposed to come before the CoronaVirus and the African Locust Plague?

Well ...... He did!

I died from Ebola in 1989

The CDC is not known for hysteria. They’ve tried for a long time to get the public minimally prepared for emergency situations, but they’ve always used a light hand and a sense of humor in their efforts. They try to dumb it down as much as they can so not to scare people.

Redfield is being very unusually blunt for a government organization. They are not fear-mongers.

Indian man hangs himself after mistakenly believing he had coronavirus

A 50-year-old man in India who mistakenly thought he had contracted the coronavirus hung himself to protect his family, a news report said.

K. Bala Krishna was treated by doctors in Tirupati for a viral fever but was assured he did not have the deadly disease that has killed more than 1,350 worldwide, according to the Times of India.

Despite the doctors’ assurances, Krishna began watching videos on the virus on his mobile phone and became convinced that he had been infected, the newspaper said.

He feared he would put his family in harm’s way.

“My father watched coronavirus-related videos the whole day on Monday and kept saying he had similar symptoms,” his son, Bala Murali, told the Times.

“He attacked us when we tried to tell him that he did not suffer from the deadly disease.”

Murali said he even called a government-sponsored helpline but was told him there was nothing to worry about because his father had not recently visited China, the epicenter of the plague.

On Tuesday, Krishna locked his family in their home and went to his mother’s gravesite.

By the time his family was able to notify neighbors to come to free them, Krishna had hung himself from a tree near his mother’s grave, the newspaper said.

Is it possible that this might have started by ingesting a diseased animal. Just like Eve and her damned apple, the freaking Chinese just can't resist tender young puppies and kittens.

And the whole world now has to suffer for their sins.

Perfect gift for your loved ones on St. V's day tomorrow LOL.

Olivia Newton John is releasing a new single called [italic] "Let's Get Hysterical"

I leave for Carnevale di Venezia tomorrow.

We're all gonna die

Somebody must be paying that troll by the post.

I hope the left wing candidates (for all offices) shut up about open borders now

& get behind CDC measures, disease prevention & hospital prep issues.

Learn ow to speak with a united voice about how the repubs haven't filled

all the federal positions that they could have in the "I'd rather go golfing" Trump years.

R497

I did the “supplemental” preparation last week. Shelf stable milk and fruit only last a year.

I’ll donate anything unused in 4 months if some miracle cure materializes.

I have enough water, canned soup, quinoa, rice, flour, sugar, powdered milk, canned meat and vegetables, dehydrated fruits and meats, etc. to support my extended family for a few weeks. I have enough extra to support my core family for at least two months.

Donating emergency food that is unused to local food banks is good karma. A good accountant will also make it economically worthwhile.

R497

I did the “supplemental” preparation last week. Shelf stable milk and fruit only last a year.

I’ll donate anything unused in 4 months if some miracle cure materializes.

I have enough water, canned soup, quinoa, rice, flour, sugar, powdered milk, canned meat and vegetables, dehydrated fruits and meats, etc. to support my extended family for a few weeks. I have enough extra to support my core family for at least two months.

Donating emergency food that is unused to local food banks is good karma. A good accountant will also make it economically worthwhile.

R523 in two weeks.

China is now reporting 1716 healthcare workers have been infected with the virus. Six have died.

I wonder if this is causing suicide rates to skyrocket in China. People are probably starving and dehydrated inside and can't take it longer.

R526, I would think being welded inside your house would be terrifying. I read one woman was yelling out the window that her husband was dying. Would they even open the door to pick up his body?

I was reviewing an old survey done in 2009 about the bird flu. They asked healthcare workers, if there was a pandemic, would you go to work? Something like 27% said no.

The next question is, would cops go to work. During Hurricane Katrina, we found out a lot of them would tend to their own families and forget about yours.

Having trouble scrolling, so sorry if this has already been posted.

[quote]I have enough water, canned soup, quinoa, rice, flour, sugar, powdered milk, canned meat and vegetables, dehydrated fruits and meats, etc. to support my extended family for a few weeks. I have enough extra to support my core family for at least two months.

I hope you also have guns because if it gets bad enough that you have to rely on this you're going to have to fight off a lot of people who didn't prepare so well.

cnn--US health secretary: We're seeing a "limited" coronavirus impact," but "that could change at any time"

US Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said his department and the rest of the government is "working aggressively" to protect the health of Americans.

He said so far, the US has seen "very limited impact," but acknowledged that "that could change at any time."

Azar responded to President Trump’s assertion that the virus will dissipate as the weather gets warmer, saying teams are hoping that's the case, and planning as if it's not.

“What the President is saying is, we hope it will respond the way regular coronaviruses do and be heat responsive. But it also could just as equally respond the way SARS — a coronavirus adaptation — responds and continue in the warm season. So the President there was expressing his hope, and my goodness, I'm sure we all hope that it will have that type of epidemiological curve but we’re planning as if it won’t.”

have the stores re-stocked the masks yet?

cnn--US can't assess coronavirus data coming out of China, health secretary says

The United States has to be guarded in making any assessment, pro or con, about the numbers and facts coming out of China about the novel coronavirus, US Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar told CNN.

"Some of the data issues might just be the chaos of a public health crisis," Azar said, adding that it’s important for the World Health Organization to hold China to account for transparency and cooperation.

Azar reiterated the need to send experts from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to China, but did not know when that would happen. The CDC first offered to send its experts to China on Jan. 6.

"It's dependent on the Chinese to make their decisions and facilitate that," Azar said. "The World Health Organization, we believe, has secured agreement to deploy a WHO team with our US public health experts as part of that team. We are ready to go and we are waiting for final clearance from the Chinese government to make that happen."

Azar defended the administration's policy that bans foreign nationals who have visited China in the past 14 days from entering the country, saying the Unite States has "limited public health resources" and needs to prioritize citizens who are returning from China.

“Once they have been out of China for that 14 day incubation period they are welcome, as always, into the United States,” Azar said.

CNBC: Beijing officials charged with responding to the virus issued an order for all those returning to Beijing to remain in quarantine at home for 14 days, Chinese state media The People’s Daily reported. Those who refuse to quarantine themselves or follow the official rules on virus containment will be punished according to law.

Harvard public heath prof Mac Lipsitch in the WSJ: “It is likely we’ll see a global pandemic...If a pandemic happens, 40% to 70% of people worldwide are likely to be infected in the coming year.”

North Korean official reportedly executed for breaking coronavirus quarantine

A North Korean official who returned from China has reportedly been executed for going to a public bath in violation of his quarantine – while experts express doubts about Pyongyang’s claim that the hermit kingdom doesn’t have a single case of the coronavirus.

The trade official, who had been placed in isolation after traveling to China, was arrested and immediately shot for risking the spread of the deadly disease, the Dong-a Ilbo news outlet in South Korea reported.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has vowed to “rule by military law” against anyone who leaves quarantine without permission.

Meanwhile, an official at North Korea’s National Security Agency was exiled to work on a farm because he hid a recent trip to China, according to the UK’s Mirror.

Some South Korean media outlets have reported several coronavirus cases and possible deaths from the illness in the North — but World Health Organization officials based in Pyongyang told the Voice of America that they have not been notified of any confirmed cases.

“The North Korean authorities have told FAO that there are no cases of the new coronavirus, but we are suspicious of such claims,” Bir Mandal of the UN Food and Agriculture Organization told Korea Biomed, the Mirror reported.

“They are clearly lying as they don’t want to show any weakness or that there is any threat to the regime,” Kazianis told the outlet. “Considering how there are many porous sections of the North Korea-China border — and how the Kim regime depends on illegal trade to survive — it is clear the virus has come to North Korea.”

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I think there should be a ban on travel to/from China. This dumb president is too busy banning people based on his bigotry, how about doing it for an actual health crisis.

r537 spoken like a racist

Here’s the link to the CDC director’s interview with Sanjay Gupta.

R538, this is what the director of the CDC says about restricting people. I guess you think he is racist too.

"Frankly, some people criticized when we decided that we wanted to temporarily suspend travel into the United States from individuals who were not Americans or permanent residents who had been in the hot zone in the last 14 days. Some people didn't think that that was what they would do," Redfield told Gupta on Thursday.

"Well, we felt very strongly that our obligation was to do all we can to protect the American public," Redfield said. "I would rather be criticized for over-protecting America than under-protecting America at this stage."

To provide some more context as to why the CDC Director is being so cautious:

'There's no doubt': Redfield said that an infected person not showing symptoms could still transmit the virus to someone else, based on what he has learned from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

"There's been good communication with our colleagues to confirm asymptomatic infection, to confirm asymptomatic transmission, to be able to get a better handle on the clinical spectrum of illness in China. What we don't know though is how much of the asymptomatic cases are driving transmission," Redfield said.

"What I've learned in the last two weeks is that the spectrum of this illness is much broader than was originally presented. There's much more asymptomatic illness," Redfield said. "A number of the confirmed cases that we confirmed actually just presented with a little sore throat."

[quote][R537] spoken like a racist

HEY, FUCKFACE, I LIVE IN A CHINESE NEIGHBORHOOD IN BROOKLYN. I'm not afraid to be around any of my neighbors. I'm not walking around in a mask. I'm not walking around like a moron thinking anyone merely being Chinese is about to infect me.

I'm talking about a temporary travel ban involving anyone -regardless of RACE/RELIGION- traveling to/from a particular country (in this case China) based solely on a current health crisis. The racist and bigot would be Trump who thinks people merely being "something" and not having done anything wrong, should be enough to ban them.

Trump won't ban anything that might have a negative effect on his financial interests, or on Ivanka's exclusive "Made In China" product lines.

I'm supposed to go to Japan next month, and I'm wondering if I should cancel. I bought the tickets long before this virus started picking up steam, and the tickets are nonrefundable. I've had a few coworkers visit Japan, and they said the Japanese are super clean and practically germaphobes, but I just want to be cautious.

R544, which airline? If you have a doctor you trust, they can write a note for you. My parents had a medical emergency about a week before they were to travel and. they were NR tickets. I called the airline telling them and they gave my parents a credit good for one year. I didn't even have to send them the actual note. I mean it's not something they'll do over and over again for you, but if you've never done it, try.

R545, it's Singapore Airlines. I'm actually not that worried about losing money. We've already got all of our hotels and train passes, some of which can be refunded and some that can't. I'm just trying to figure out if I should go at all. It seems that most of the deaths are occurring within China, which makes me think that this is a medical care issue. But I just don't know.

The more i read about this the more i feel like this is a targeted bioweapon. The developed countries are effected heavily, while the 3rd world are unaffected. it targets men more readily and women are appear to be super spreader. If this was released on the right schedule China would have swooped in to dominate the world and no men would be left to fight.

I’m so fucking tired of assholes on here screaming “RACIST!” at anyone using logic. Fucking snowflakes.

Agree with R547

[quote]The developed countries are effected heavily, while the 3rd world are unaffected.

Are you calling China developed, R547?

It isn't.

CNN--CDC's coronavirus test kits still not ready to ship after some were initially found to be faulty.

Japan has patients with no history of travel to China. So be careful...I think a bus driver, a few taxi driver got it.

we still don't know how this can be transmitted...it seems so infectious. I read that it can live on surfaces for up to 9 days.

I think it’s probably developed in a very late nineteenth century way, R550. That is, people building and interested in making modern looking things and the press talking about modernization, but no thought to pollution, no thought about smoking being bad, no thought of the consequences of doing everything the dirtiest and cheapest possible way. But lots of tall buildings and fashionable clothes.

The accouterments of modernization, without the policy and goals behind all the building that actually make modernization possible.

Kind of like those old western sets in Hollywood that look like a western street with storefront. But there’s nothing behind it.

You're not going to get the coronavirus holed up in your mother's basement, r548. You'd have to go outside.

R552, they now think it may possibly live on surfaces a lot longer. And I think a cab driver got it from a Chinese passenger.

The incubation period seems to get longer and longer. Even thirty days may be too short.

The concern is fomites, items people touch that may have virus on them. Door handles, cloth upholstered car seats, bathroom faucet handles. No matter how clean you are, if the last person who touched it is right before you, you can be infected.

Japan is gradually having cases that are spreading person to person in Japan now. The CDC Director here in the U.S. thinks when we get to that stage, it’s Katie-bar-the-door, essentially. Watch the interview with him at R539, maybe it will help you.

If it were me, I wouldn’t. But honestly, in six months we may be no better off ourselves here. So if this is your once in a lifetime trip, and you don’t have dependents at home, it all depends on how much risk you want to take.

Keep in mind, the worst places generally for catching diseases or bedbugs from travelers are around the airport - cabs, public transit that goes to the airport, hotels near the airport. That’s why I never stay in hotels near the airport. Then, if you drive yourself, rental cars are uncleanable with this virus. I don’t know of any way to get this tiny virus out of upholstery. Ordinary upholstery cleaning isn’t going to do it. I guess you could get a car rental from a car rental agency that’s not at the airport, that’s in the suburbs, that might lower your risk. But you have to get there. And then what happens when you get to the hotel room? Everything is upholstered.

On the plus side, there may be steep discounts for travelers. You might also check and see if there’s a policy to refund cancellations due to this event. Japanese may be just as happy not to invite more risk into the country, and maybe they’re refunding people. You could check.

[quote] I read that it can live on surfaces for up to 9 days.

Link to where read that fact r552

[quote]The more i read about this the more i feel like this is a targeted bioweapon.

Virologist Dr. Steven Hatfill shut down Steve Bannon when the odious one tried to advance this theory of an "engineered" virus:

“OK, I’m going to address this one last time. Viruses, a lot of viruses have what are called hyper variable regions. This helps the virus find a new host, it’s a survival advantage. Everybody’s looked at these sequences.

“If there was something definitely there, there’d be a rash of scientists speaking out about it. There’s not a rash of scientists speaking out about it, there’s a couple crackpot websites and people are grabbing this and running with it. People are getting scared, OK?

“You don’t just come on radio and say, ‘Oh, I’ve looked at the sequencing, and I think, you know, this is engineered.’ What a load of crap.”

Go back to twitter, R538. You woke dumbass.

Go back to Stormfront, R558, you racist fuckwad.

Scientists Predict Coronavirus May Live For Up To Nine Days On Surfaces

A new analysis looking at data from different types of coronavirus has shown that many strains can live on surfaces such as glass, plastic or metal, for up to nine days.

The work published yesterday in The Journal of Hospital Infection looked at 22 historical studies on different types of coronavirus, such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronaviruses. The authors were originally intending to publish the analysis in an upcoming textbook, but in light of the recent outbreak, the they decided to release the work early.

nCoV2019, the coronavirus strain involved in the current outbreak, is a droplet-based infection and can be spread directly between people or by touching contaminated surfaces.

“In hospitals, these can be door handles, for example, but also call buttons, bedside tables, bed frames and other objects in the direct vicinity of patients, which are often made of metal or plastic,” said Professor Günter Kampf from the Institute of Hygiene and Environmental Medicine at the Greifswald University Hospital in Germany and co-author of the paper.

The review found that on average, coronaviruses can live on surfaces for between four and five days, but some could survive for up to nine days outside of the body at room temperature.

“Low temperature and high air humidity further increase their lifespan,” said Kampf.

It is important to note that the review article only took into account data from other types of coronaviruses like SARS and MERS to make their conclusions as no data of this type currently exists on nCoV2019, the strain in the current outbreak. Despite this, the authors predict that nCoV2019 is likely to be similar to previous coronaviruses in terms of its ability to live outside of the body and sensitivity to disinfectants.

"Different coronaviruses were analysed, and the results were all similar," said Steinmann.

However, the good news from the study is that if nCoV2019 is similar to SARS and MERS, it is likely to be sensitive to disinfectants such as those containing alcohol, sodium hydroxide and sodium hypochlorite, the latter of the two of which are common ingredients in household bleach. When used at appropriate concentrations, these chemicals have been shown to be effective against previous coronavirus strains.

I don’t think this is or was a bioweapon, but I am trying to wrap my head around (wrongly) suspected anthrax bioterrorist Steven Hatfill discussing the topic with proven nut-job Steve Bannon.

R440/ R477 Calling others homophobic for referring to posters as queens here on DL? Now that’s what I call reaching. Or you like to feel outraged and take offense easily but can’t take it when it gets dished back to you. I’m also unaware that we should all post in professional manners that reflect our solemn education and professions. This is fucking DL, and I’m not dealing with patients or colleagues. If you’re too offended to be advised of this then you shouldn’t post here. This isn’t a professional forum where we gave rules for collegial engagement, this is fucking DL.

You’re the one who initially singled out mine snd others’ posts who don’t match your level of hysteria. You posted a link from a YouTube speculative video sourced from funeral home workers in Wuhan, as somehow being corroborated facts to support mass freak out. That’s great you have a science background though why you choose not to adhere to scientific methods at the most basic as in not jump to conclusions without evidence, is quite beyond me.

No, no one telling anyone who can’t and can read or post here other than yourself. You did that when you singled me and others out, passive aggressively assigning blame to us for not being as alert as you are. Again, my posts specifically address false notions and hysteria put forth by certain posters. I offered my own experience in my counterpoints without ranting or judging. Perhaps one of those posters is you I don’t know. You haven’t refuted the specific posts I’d made either. You’d only disparage those of us who aren’t hysterical queens on this outbreak.

Now go back to getting your panties in a twist about how all of humanity is doomed from this killer virus that’s more virulent than ebola virus and HIV combined.

There is literally hiv dna baked into the virus, what r u smoking elder lez?

There is literally hiv dna baked into the virus, what r u smoking elder lez?

[quote]There is literally hiv dna baked into the virus,

So is it like a Turducken disease?

Apparently UV light kills viruses. So get a portable UV light wand- you can sanitize surfaces if you're so inclined.

This doesn't have the best reviews on Amazon, but I suppose it's better than nothing.

What about your eyes? I don't think those UV things are good for your eyes...wear protective eye wear

No one has asked ME how I AM in the past 5 minutes!

Go on and laugh. This person will be laughing at you when he/she doesn't get sick.

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Muriel please block R571. This is a humor free thread.

I can’t be the only one who’s hoping this virus hits Russia especially hard, so that by the time November rolls around they’ll be too busy with other problems to meddle in elections.

If they get Coronavirus in Russia, Putin will send sick Russians on an all-expenses paid vacation to the U.S. and tell them to go hang out in crowded bars, ride the subway and spit in the street. He’s got a hardon for attacking the U.S. for some reason. Little dick syndrome I guess.

Putin doesn't like the help getting uppity.

I read the studies so you don't have to, just kidding. But seriously, these are 2 articles and 1 editorial that I came across, 2 published 2/13/20 and the other study is from late January. I've posted the links too, but I'm able to access 2 of them due to my work account access, I think you'd have to pay to see the entire article or use library access. I've summarized some key points and what we know so far of the COVID-19 virus, including what we don't know and what scientists are studying. I've included some easy definitions of terminology as the reading can be difficult to follow without biology background, so let me know if it helps or if these kind of summaries are helpful. Will post my summary in 2 or 3 posts because it's fucking long.

PART 1 Human coronaviruses have been known since the 1960s. In the last two decades, there have been 3 emergences of coronaviruses which caused outbreaks in the world, mainly concentrated in Asia. The SARS virus in 2003 was one such coronavirus. It was transmitted through droplet, contact, touching of contaminated surfaces. Many healthcare providers contracted and died from SARS. The last case of SARS was noted to be in September in 2003. The SARS had a fatality rate of around 9.5%. In 2012, another coronavirus emerged, this one named MERS and spread from the epicenter of the Arabian Peninsula. MERS symptoms were more nonspecific than SARS, but the most seriously ill were also affected by acute respiratory syndrome. MERS unlike SARS is still currently circulating in parts of the world and has a higher fatality rate of around 35%. However even though MERS is still circulating, we’ve been able to control its spread due to low transmission ratio of 1: 1, as opposed to the now dormant SARS ratio of 1: 4 (average of 1 person infecting 4 people).

In December 2019, the 3rd coronavirus to emerge within the last 20 years, now named COVID-19 originated in Wuhan, China. The viral genome was first isolated on 1/7/20. Genetically it’s closely a recombination of a coronavirus of bat origin and a coronavirus of unknown origin, with snake being a possibility, but nothing conclusive so far. SARS virus infects humans by binding to ACE2 receptor. ACE2 is a type of peptidase (enzyme) that breaks down peptides (compound of 2 or more amino acids) in our body. ACE2 is in many of our bodily tissues including alveolar cells (lung) and enterocytes (intestines). Amino acid assay of the COVID-19 virus shows that it may also use ACE2 as a receptor, thus sharing similar properties as SARS. However, the same testing also shows the COVID-19 virus to use the ACE2 receptor less efficiently than SARS virus (2002-2003). But it also uses the ACE2 more efficiently than the second outbreak of SARS (2003-2004). Nevertheless, the COVID-19 virus contains asparagine (amino acid) which similar to the 2002-2003 SARS virus, presence of asparagine induces less than ideal conditions for binding to human ACE2 receptors.

PART 2 However, scientists have also detected threonine (amino acid) at sequencing points of the viral genes. Threonine is thought to allow viruses to bind to human ACE-2 receptors more easily, thereby increasing virulence. But that’s not the entire story, we also consider such as the stability of the viral surface proteins and whether or not these are highly mutable. We’re now tracking viral spike protein (S) and nucleocapsid N protein (N). The S protein is responsible for the virus gaining entrance into the human cell; it binds to a cell receptor and causes membrane fusion between viral and human cells. The N protein then transcribes viral genes taken hold inside our cells. The mutation of these 2 proteins is thought to influence infectibility (susceptibility to infection) and pathogenicity (ability to cause disease). So far, the pathogenicity of the COVD-19 virus is lower than SARS. But there always exists a chance for evolutionary mutations of pathogens, including the COVID-19 virus, in similar ways that SARS virus mutated from 1st outbreak in 2002-2003 to 2nd outbreak in 2003-2004.

This virus has now infected more people than the other 2 earlier viruses. Why? Some factors include Wuhan being the capital of Hubei province which has over 11 million inhabitants. Wuhan is also a major transportation hub. Currently the transmission ratio is estimated to be between 1: 2-3.5. PCR (+) test patients of this virus also appears to be around 55 years of age. Fatality rate is 2-3%. Currently PCR testing for COVID-19 is sent to state lab per CDC protocol. Other laboratory testing is also used to support surveillance and treatment. Quarantines is another effective non-pharmacological intervention that has no targeted therapies as means of treatment or containment. Another less effective intervention is thermal screening. Thermal screening is ineffective due to many infected individuals not showing clinical signs of infection or do not present with febrile illness. Although scientists are certain that future pandemics (generic not specifically COVID-19) are inevitable, advancements in rapid genetic sequencing allows for the development of treatment modalities including vaccines.

Our main concerns now is coordinated efforts between scientific research, public health authorities, healthcare, and governmental efforts including air travel/ border control policies. To grasp the full spectrum of the COVID-19 virus, scientists are working to identify the reservoirs (source from which infectious agent is transferred to host), routes of transmission, incubation period, timeframe in which the virus can be transmitted, full clinical presentation of the infection, and long-term health effects in those who have recovered.

academic.oup.com/ajcp/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ajcp/aqaa029/5735509 onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13488 biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.24.915157v1

^^^Meant to say "Quarantines is another effective non-pharmacological intervention for pathogens that have no targeted therapies as means of treatment or containment. Another less effective intervention is thermal screening."

Aren't you people reading the literature? It is coming fast and furiously.

1. The virus binds to angiotensin converting enzyme 2 = ACE2. It IS possible it was engineered to bind with greater affinity. 2. The scientific community is being very careful to not assign any type of blame at all, feeling the urgency of the outbreak goes beyond blame. Time enough for that after it's contained. 3. ACE2 has been described as having high expression levels in a. endothelial cells (the cells lining every blood vessel), b. alveolar pneumocytes, c. kidney cells, d. bone, e. heart, and f. brain. 4. When Coronavirus binds to ACE2, it interferes with ACE2 downstream signaling. 5. The patient can recover from this but is not immune to continued Coronavirus infection. The second time an immunized patient is infected with coronavirus, a cytokine storm is initiated, which typically causes a massive pneumonia or sudden stoppage of the heart. 6. The recent deaths may represent a SECOND wave of infections, not initial infections. 7. 2/3 of the recent deaths occur in people's homes, not in hospitals. 8. It is suspected that at least 20 times the number of deaths reported, have actually taken place. 9. Cigarette smoking dramatically increases the expression of ACE2. Thus more lethality occurring in males, more lethality in Asians may reflect the smoking patterns in those populations. 10. The highest smoking rates are in Asia, Russia, Brazil and Africa. 11. We have no data for South America because they have no diagnostics. 12. I am posting a video here that is extremely informative. To get an accurate picture of the death rate, go to 12:38 in the video for the surreal conversation between the crematorium superviser and the government over-seer.

Do not attack ElderLez!!!

She has been an incredible voice of reason on this series of threads. She was the first to caution concern and warn against panic. She has obviously been following this closely, and doesn’t think the HIV link is valid. I don’t either. Many pathogens have a similar “spike”.

She also thinks some people are being flippant about a potentially lethal disease that could easily overwhelm the hospital facilities in the USA if even a fraction need ICU.

Hello ElderLez!

Haven't ever watched Bannon. IS he a proven nutjob? Sorry, haven't been around much. Busy.

I DO think it was engineered, but I don't know about weaponized.

Geneticist.

New thread names?

Law & Order:SARS-CoViD-19 part 5

With 12 you get WuFlu?

New thread names?

Law & Order:SARS-CoViD-19 part 5

With 12 you get WuFlu?

I'll make my previous suggestions again:

Everybody Was Kung-Flu Fighting

Pandemic! At The Disco

Steve Bannon isn't nuts, he's fucking evil and he helps spread conspiracy theories knowing assholes will buy into them because his conspiracies are usually based in his own prejudices, so they play well with other racists/bigots. Like Trump. Bannon appeals to trash and he knows how to play them.

I don't think the next part should have a cute or funny name. It's neither of those things anymore.

I don’t see how we can really know what the R-0 is when the Chinese appear to be keeping absolutely horrible records, if any, misrepresenting causes of death as pneumonia instead of COVID-19, and welding people inside their apartments.

How can you even know if those infected people are going to die of virus or succumb to stress from being walled up alive? Many others that may or may not be sick from this particular virus are being locked into big rooms with sick patients. If they’re not infected to start with, they will be. I read one hospital had a high rate of patients admitted for other causes contracting the virus. That’s probably why they’re locking up virus patients offsite.

I’m not sure the cruise ship situation is a realistic example either. Most people aren’t going to be locked into an enclosed space with sick people for weeks on end. They’re sharing an enclosed plumbing system, food is probably prepared communally by staff that may be carriers and the ventilation system probably isn’t entirely separate either. It’s not like an isolation ward in a hospital at all, nor is it like a momentary passing encounter with a stranger on the subway. The stress is probably lowering their immune systems too. They’re floating infection factories. At least we actually know who’s got COVID-19 and who’s got regular flu or something else. Except the test kits aren’t always accurate.

I vote for R338's "We won't get flu'd again."

[quote]I’m also unaware that we should all post in professional manners that reflect our solemn education and professions.

It's hilarious that that particular troll is shrieking about professionalism after having shown itself, in an embarrassingly failed attempt at an insult, to be gleeful at the prospect of poor people dying.

Here's what it spewed forth at R429:

[quote]You will probably be the first person infected in your tenement building.

[quote]Poor, stupid people don’t live long during pandemics.

[quote]I hope your death is painless, as much as possible.

R586

The World Trade Center is an insatiable bottom.

Circa September 11, 2001, sometime around midnight.

We like our humor like our dicks, black and uncircumcised.

CNN- Japan records 8 news coronavirus cases on Friday

Japan announced a total of eight new coronavirus cases on Friday, that are not from the Diamond Princess ship docked under quarantine in Yokohama Bay.

The eighth case is a male Yokohama city officer in his 30s, who helped an infected patient from the Diamond Princess on February 10. He was wearing protective gear and goggles. The health ministry is looking into how he contract the virus.

It brings the total number of cases in Japan to 258, of which 219 are from the Diamond Princess. One patient has died in Japan so far.

Bajour!

R585, I’m no Steve Bannon fan, far from it, but I was directed to an interview with somebody (I wonder if it was the same guy discussed upthread or somebody else). It showed an expert taking questions from several people, Bannon was one, I don’t know the others. Bannon was wearing headphones like he was at a radio station. The others appeared to be at different locations and it was a video conference call.

That was the first time I’ve ever seen Bannon look completely serious and wipe that smug smirk off his face. Even a scumbag can be concerned about danger. Bannon may be many things but I don’t think he’s stupid.

Part of the issue here is that there’s been so many false alarms, we always assume this is another one. But what if it isn’t? Then it even affects the Steve Bannons of the world.

Next thread here. Thanks R588.

Ack posting in next thread R580 and R581. This one keeps crashing

Ack posting in next thread R580 and R581. This one keeps crashing

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we are out.

See you in the

next thread.