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Coronavirus Freakout 3: Return to Kung-flu

Coronavirus update: - 14,550 confirmed cases worldwide - 19,544 suspected cases - 304 fatalities - 2,110 in serious/critical condition - 328 in China treated and released - Biggest daily increase so far - 24 countries reporting cases

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by Anonymousreply 594February 9, 2020 7:42 AM

From Thread II and worth reading:

Check out the exact subject matter of this research paper from a Chinese virologist and the date he wrote it. More than a coincidence?

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by Anonymousreply 1February 2, 2020 6:56 AM

R1, Thank you for re-posting that link for m.e Originally found it on GLP so must give that site credit.

by Anonymousreply 2February 2, 2020 7:10 AM

This is worrying more and more as each day goes by!

by Anonymousreply 3February 2, 2020 7:49 AM

First death outside of China was in the Philippines. Victim was a Chinese man from Wuhan.

by Anonymousreply 4February 2, 2020 8:02 AM

US Military preparing space for up to 1,000 of the quarantined. Heads up TX and CA.

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by Anonymousreply 5February 2, 2020 8:23 AM

China's nightly spraying disinfectant all over Wuhan. We don't know what type of product nor if it is effective. What we do know is that it's going into the river and drinking supply. That means it will eventually get into the ocean, right? Hope there's not another die-off of birds and fish.

Only happy wildlife in China are the crows that are flying en mass in Wuhan's skies. Bad omen.

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by Anonymousreply 6February 2, 2020 8:32 AM

Just 1 funeral home is burning 70 to 100 bodies daily. There are 7 funeral homes in Wuhan.

Most of China is under quarantine with Wu Flu confirmed cases in all cities. They have not been publicizing those that have 100% recovered and sent back to work. I only recall hearing about 2 young women early last week that supposedly were cured. Why?

Other important comments on this Twitter page.

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by Anonymousreply 7February 2, 2020 8:50 AM

[quote] Just 1 funeral home is burning 70 to 100 bodies daily. There are 7 funeral homes in Wuhan.

BREAKING NEWS: people die!

You do understand that in a city of 8 million people that that number is not unusual for a typical day?

by Anonymousreply 8February 2, 2020 9:49 AM

R7 In that Twitter thread, someone posted that there are 20 funeral homes in Wuhan.

100/day x 20 = 2,000 dead bodies per day

by Anonymousreply 9February 2, 2020 10:13 AM

Someone else posted there are 10,000 funeral homes

100/day x 10,000 = 1,000,000 dead bodies per day

by Anonymousreply 10February 2, 2020 10:17 AM

"Thank you for re-posting that link for m.e Originally found it on GLP so must give that site credit."

All you need to do asshole is fuck off from this site. But giving credit to that conspiracy theory site is certainly not something you should do here.

by Anonymousreply 11February 2, 2020 10:48 AM

I love the fact I can't get sick. I have never had the flu, a cold or anything. I fear none of this. But I don't want a pandemic of course. Interested to see how it all works out.

by Anonymousreply 12February 2, 2020 10:51 AM

R12 tell us your story. Age/Sex? Smoke or Drink? Eating Habits? Where’d you grow up?

by Anonymousreply 13February 2, 2020 10:57 AM

R8 Is correct. In a city with the population of Wuhan people are still dying of heart attacks, strokes, old age, cancer, suicide and a host of others things. Also, its peak flu season in China at the moment so in addition you have people dying of flu which is not related to this new strain.

I suspect the figures from Wuhan are not accurate but its the centre of this and the hospitals would be overwhelmed. Best looks at the figures of other areas of China and around the world over the coming weeks to get the real picture of this new virus. Hopefully it will just die out if we are lucky.

by Anonymousreply 14February 2, 2020 11:19 AM

How it all unfolded and the attempts to suppress people, including medical professionals.

When are politicians going to learn.

There was someone (a health official I think) in the US who said this the other day 'I'd rather be remembered at the person who over reacted than the person who under reacted'

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by Anonymousreply 15February 2, 2020 12:00 PM

R12 Sure Jan.

by Anonymousreply 16February 2, 2020 12:09 PM

It’s in MA now... ugh 😩

by Anonymousreply 17February 2, 2020 1:49 PM

Death toll is over 300

by Anonymousreply 18February 2, 2020 2:02 PM

I can't breathe!

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by Anonymousreply 19February 2, 2020 2:05 PM

I'm hoping the virus wipes out half of the world's population. Praise Thanos.

by Anonymousreply 20February 2, 2020 2:05 PM

R20, leave the cheap fiction behind.

Because when Thanatos and Gaia and work together, the planet is cleansed.

by Anonymousreply 21February 2, 2020 2:12 PM

Just racist anti China propaganda by the stupod West. You guys just can't stomach it's China's turn at the world stage.

by Anonymousreply 22February 2, 2020 2:27 PM

I’ve heard the president, his cabinet, congress, senate & all bigwigs get immunoglobulin injections when contagious diseases are around. Another perk of being rich.

by Anonymousreply 23February 2, 2020 2:32 PM

R22. And the award for most obvious troll goes to?

by Anonymousreply 24February 2, 2020 2:36 PM

This is from Thomson Reuters.

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by Anonymousreply 25February 2, 2020 2:39 PM

Imagine the US attempting to build a hospital in 8 days? Lol would never happen. Would take 8 years or more.

by Anonymousreply 26February 2, 2020 2:40 PM

I'm sure that the hospitals here getting the first sick patients are reconsidering their waiting room policies. Nothing like an ER to spread something like this.

On a much, much lesser note, I think from the last thread the 'GLP' poster is the one who ran off the geneticist posting in the last thread bc of how hard some poster was going in on him or anyone asking for further explanation, after he was as silenced that sites name was getting dropped a lot. (I asked for that and was 'replied' to as if I were that Dr. Either way there's atleast one poster just trolling)

With the case in NY, atleast now, this cant be kept quiet for the Superbowl.

by Anonymousreply 27February 2, 2020 2:43 PM

This may finally put an end to the public defecation problem in China and India!

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by Anonymousreply 28February 2, 2020 2:47 PM

[quote]This may finally put an end to the public defecation problem in China and India!

San Francisco, you in trouble, gurl.

by Anonymousreply 29February 2, 2020 2:49 PM

R28 This part is going to be hard to forget:

"A virus-laden aerosol plume emanating from a SARS patient with diarrhea was implicated in possibly hundreds of cases at the Amoy Gardens housing complex in 2003."

by Anonymousreply 30February 2, 2020 2:53 PM

An infected woman is barricaded in her home by police.

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by Anonymousreply 31February 2, 2020 3:01 PM

Woman arrested for refusing to wear a mask.

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by Anonymousreply 32February 2, 2020 3:06 PM

Sounds like just another flu. A couple weaklings will succumb.

Why are people flipping out?

by Anonymousreply 33February 2, 2020 3:06 PM

About that story at R31, how long are they going to leave her in there, forever? Just never come back? At a certain point, she’ll either recover or die. What if she recovers on her own and then she starves to death? It would be more humane to just shoot her. And probably more sanitary too.

by Anonymousreply 34February 2, 2020 3:08 PM

I’m only willing to suffer the slings and arrows of the nonbelievers because my work here is vitally important. As such, solely in the public interest, I am bravely putting my oh-so-delicate feelings aside, knowing that they will be crushed by your disses over and over again, because the work I am doing here SAVES LIVES.

Let me just preface this by saying that I am aware that GLP contains some....well, I really hate to call it garbage because I do spend 25+ hours a day poring over...

Okay, let’s just start again: GLP has some garbage, true. But did you know that choosy scientists (only the best and smartest ones) choose GLP for pre-preprint peer pre-review? GLP is widely known to be at the forefront of all sciences in the science community, but TPTB don’t want you know that! That is the truth, but I’m not going to post a link to the GLP thread containing confirmation because you will say mean things and hurt my feelings.

Have you considered becoming a signing up at GLP? You really should! Not only will GLP put you on the bleeding edge of science — meaning you will [italic]know things, [/italic] things that only Uncle Intel knows — but more importantly, GLP will give meaning to your sad life!

If you’re like me and your life has been one disappointment after another; if you’ve never quite measured up; if you are perpetually stuck, going nowhere fast, while those around you succeed in life, GLP will comfort you by confirming that it’s not your fault; it’s just that the world (run by a shady cabal of shape-shifting reptilian Deep Statists) conspires to help certain people, and you’re not one of them. GLP gives you the awareness to...

OMG!! Someone on GLP just posted that there are actually 20,000,000,000 funeral homes in Wuhan!

100/day x 20,000,000,000 = 2,000,000,000,000,000 (5 sets of zeros = a quadreptilian, btw; confirmed by GLP expert mathists) dead bodies per day. TWO QUADREPTILIAN PER DAY!!

by Anonymousreply 35February 2, 2020 3:13 PM

Guess that means no eating Chinamen‘s ass for awhile

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by Anonymousreply 36February 2, 2020 3:15 PM

Are they doing this with everyone in china? You get arrested if no facemask? Locked into your apartment if you return from a trip? Was the lady in the apartment known to be sick?

Can't imagine there isn't some risk factor involved, or they'd have to enforce these rules on over a billion people.

by Anonymousreply 37February 2, 2020 3:20 PM

I saw some footage of drones flying over streets and "scolding" people for not wearing masks.

by Anonymousreply 38February 2, 2020 3:26 PM

Also, this flu is different. It is more infectious than SARS and that guy in the philippines who died was only 44! They did not mention if he had other medical conditions. He probably didn't have any, and they didn't want to alarm the public so they didn't disclose. That's my take on it.

What say you ? Can you find any info where they disclosed his other medical conditions?

by Anonymousreply 39February 2, 2020 3:28 PM

GLP had his full medical history before he was even infected! I will not post a link because you’ll just say mean things and hurt my feelings.

by Anonymousreply 40February 2, 2020 3:32 PM

BBC: "The man is thought to have had other pre-existing health conditions."

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by Anonymousreply 41February 2, 2020 3:34 PM

The GLP troll at r35 and r40 is back again endlessly promoting a conspiracy theory website and dropping the name in every fucking sentence.

Could we all please give him a collective FUCK OFF and that his "public service" is not needed here?!? Please stay on your fucking forum troll and leave us alone. We also don't give a fuck if your fucking website posted some information about a random patient or anything else first.

FUCK OFF already!

by Anonymousreply 42February 2, 2020 3:37 PM

R42, yes, ff that poster.

by Anonymousreply 43February 2, 2020 3:45 PM

R42 hey moron, it’s someone taking the piss out of the GLP troll.

by Anonymousreply 44February 2, 2020 3:47 PM

Coronavirus: China to pump billions into economy amid growth fears

he country saw economic growth of 6.1% last year - the slowest in around three decades, in part because of its prolonged trade war with the US. A partial trade deal easing tensions was struck earlier this month, but most tariffs remain in place.

Economist George Magnus, associate at Oxford University's China Centre, told the BBC the size of central bank's injection reflected "policymakers' concerns about the state of the economy".

"The coronavirus repercussions on the economy mark the latest in a series of setbacks in the economy over the past year, including a handful of bank failures sparking contagion fears, forcing the central bank to become ever more generous with the provision of liquidity to markets."

In total, the central bank will inject 1.2 trillion yuan into the financial system on Monday - the largest single day addition on record.

China's central bank has announced other economic measures in the face of a deepening coronavirus epidemic, including providing banks with 300 billion yuan to lend to affected companies.

Authorities have also relaxed tariffs on goods imported for use in the virus fight - including those from the US.

Investors are bracing for volatility when Chinese markets reopen on Monday. The country's stock, currency and bond markets have all been closed since 23 January and were due to reopen last Friday.

Global markets have been rattled by the epidemic, with the US S&P 500 notching up its worst week since October on Friday.

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by Anonymousreply 45February 2, 2020 3:48 PM

Have they said if bleach can kill the virus?

I've seen them spray shit, what the fuck is in it? anyone knows?

by Anonymousreply 46February 2, 2020 3:52 PM

Did anyone see the WHO press conference yesterday? They were positively effusive in theird praise for China. How speedy their response, how excellent their science, how thorough the government oversight of the crisis. It was the most lavish ass-kissing I have ever seen.

So my question: China could do a massive sell-off of a country's debt, devaluating that country's currency. How much does our debt give China a stranglehold over our travel and business policies when even lives are at stake?

by Anonymousreply 47February 2, 2020 3:54 PM

[quote]I love the fact I can't get sick. I have never had the flu, a cold or anything. I fear none of this.

Are you Damien Thorn, r12?

by Anonymousreply 48February 2, 2020 3:55 PM

From R25's post.

The drug treatment includes a mixture of anti-HIV drugs lopinavir and ritonavir, in combination with flu drug oseltamivir in large doses.

"This is not the cure, but the patient's condition has vastly improved. From testing positive for 10 days under our care, after applying this combination of medicine the test result became negative within 48 hours," Dr. Kriangska Atipornwanich, a lung specialist at Rajavithi, told reporters.

by Anonymousreply 49February 2, 2020 3:55 PM

Google exactly what I asked at 47, namely does he debt held by China constrict American response to this virus? Tomorrow when the markets open, China is expected to take a walloping. Trump is trying to make them pay tariffs, and has a trade-war going on with them.

So two scenarios are possible, in the extreme. One is that Trump says "We are your largest market. Give us some volume discounts or we will go back to making our shit ourselves. Or set up your competition in south America. We WILL find alternatives. "

Alternatively, at the other extreme, China says "You turn us into typhoid Mary and we will sell off our debt at a vastly discounted price, causing your currency to go into the toilet."

Which is the stronger position? What is this going to mean for the U.S.? We all have to get pneumonia so Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates can keep being trillionaires?

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by Anonymousreply 50February 2, 2020 4:04 PM

Re-reading what I wrote at R49 --- the walloping will come from the global reactions to coronavirus, not Trump's tariffs. But he IS in a better position as a result of this virus, than he was two months ago.

---R49

by Anonymousreply 51February 2, 2020 4:05 PM

China has another outbreak of bird flu. About 18,000 birds culled.

All Chinese pets culled in the most cruel way too.

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by Anonymousreply 52February 2, 2020 4:08 PM

Why do so many foreigners wear NY Yankee caps? You’d think in China they’d wear the Reds, since it’s their favorite color.

by Anonymousreply 53February 2, 2020 4:11 PM

Are shipments from China grounded? I gots eBay items I’m expecting.

by Anonymousreply 54February 2, 2020 4:11 PM

^I just ordered something on eBay and the expected delivery date is in APRIL. WTF?

by Anonymousreply 55February 2, 2020 4:15 PM

I also hate this GLP troll with his misinformation and ff his posts. Could you guys please all help and get rid of him? This kind of info and panic is not helpful in these times.

by Anonymousreply 56February 2, 2020 4:17 PM

My neighbors gonna flip out because I have a bird feeder. Several years ago some whackos were all out of shape over my bird feeder because of some bird flu.

Then there was West Nile virus years ago. People just can’t help making things about themselves. “Bird flu! There are birds right here in the trees! Omg, cut the trees down!!! Omg, the neighbor has a goddamned BIRD FEEDER! We’re gonna die! This bird flu is all about ME & MY PRECIOUS CHILDREN!”

We had plans to put a wildflower meadow in our backyard but the next door neighbor practically threatened to take my husband’s head off because TICKS and BEES! Ticks spread Lyme disease & for all he knew, his precious children (now grown up derelicts) might be allergic to bees! No, he wasn’t going to put up with his children getting Lyme disease & maybe DYING from it or RUINING their lives.

by Anonymousreply 57February 2, 2020 4:21 PM

[quote] R26: Imagine the US attempting to build a hospital in 8 days? Lol would never happen. Would take 8 years or more.

I really don’t think this is true. Sometimes, when there is a sizable resistance, it slows things down. But the new bay bridge in San Francisco went up fast, as did the Cuomo Bridge in NY, and that pipeline from Canada to New Orleans went up fast except for the sections that had great resistance from the locals.

If the US finds itself with a great epidemic and in great need of more hospitals, it will either build new hospitals quickly or find acceptable substitutes, such as moving people to places with underused existing facilities.

by Anonymousreply 58February 2, 2020 4:22 PM

The WHO is not kissing China's ass because of economic issues, R47. It's because they're trying to secure cooperation and the free flow of information, without which it becomes much more difficult to keep this virus from spreading exponentially throughout the rest of the world.

by Anonymousreply 59February 2, 2020 4:24 PM

[quote]But the new bay bridge in San Francisco went up fast

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by Anonymousreply 60February 2, 2020 4:29 PM

R58, my local highway in MA has been under construction for 5 YEARS now... just a few miles of it. The US doesn’t do quick or cheap. See WTC building as example.

by Anonymousreply 61February 2, 2020 4:33 PM

GLP-level reading comprehension on display at R42 and R43.

by Anonymousreply 62February 2, 2020 4:34 PM

There are now huge shed-like buildings that can go up almost overnight. Outside of my town there’s a route where new businesses - landscapers, tile companies, rug places, etc are all made of these new prefab shed- like buildings and pole buildings (I see some mega churchs down in the Bible Belt made out of them, too). You just have to level the land and customize the electric and any needed plumbing. These hospitals going up in China are temporary. That’s why they went up so fast. Plus slave-like labor.

by Anonymousreply 63February 2, 2020 4:34 PM

R63 it’s the “slave like labor” that works. The US would be fighting over permits and lawsuits before even breaking ground too,

by Anonymousreply 64February 2, 2020 4:36 PM

Martial law + Imminent domain would take care of some of that, R64.

by Anonymousreply 65February 2, 2020 4:43 PM

[quote] R47: So my question: China could do a massive sell-off of a country's debt, devaluating that country's currency. How much does our debt give China a stranglehold over our travel and business policies when even lives are at stake?

Someone keeps bringing this up, so this is my third answer to this question.

If China wanted to do something along these lines, firstly, there is no such thing as “calling in our debt”, in the sense of demanding the US repay all their debt holdings in gold, or similar. The debt they hold has staggered maturity dates. What they could do, is stop replacing expired debt instruments with new debt purchases. In this case, their debt holdings would gradually shrink.

They could also try to sell all their US debt on the secondary market. This would reduce the value of those holdings, since the supply would be so greatly increased. This is a disincentive to China to do this. If they did it anyway, then the US would have to pay higher interest on newly issued debt, as an incentive to others to buy new debt, rather than buy the debt that China was selling. So, the US would see higher interest rates on everything - mortgages, car loans, corporate debt, etc. The stock market would drop. Housing prices would drop. The US would buy less from China, because it would go into recession and also because it would be pissed. This would cause China to go into recession. This is another disincentive for China to do this.

The only difference in this answer from my previous answers is that I now think it would be more serious for the US than I previously stated, but it still wouldn’t be the end of the world. I still think it would affect China and Russia more severely than the US, and that their governments are more fragile than the US’, so it would be a really stupid thing for China to do.

I can think of no reason for China to do this, especially with respect to this pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 66February 2, 2020 4:46 PM

Sounds like a plan r65

by Anonymousreply 67February 2, 2020 4:46 PM

We may lose all our elderly POTUS hopefuls!

by Anonymousreply 68February 2, 2020 4:47 PM

R6 From Chinese reports on the ground via YouTubers with VPNs, it is said to smell like Dettol. Sadly it has been stated there isn't enough evidence for claims (in product labeling or adverts) Dettol kills n2019CoV. Previous studies however have proven it effective on HARDNON-POROUS surfaces against SARS, MERS, H1N1, and Human Coronaviruses.

Is the GLP discussed and recerenced here Genetic Literacy Project?

by Anonymousreply 69February 2, 2020 4:47 PM

The US doesn’t have the unbuilt, uninhabited land China has outside of cities - we have suburbs, not mega monolith dormitory-living style blocks of highrises China houses its people in. By herding everyone into blocks of faceless highrises in cities, China gets to have unbuilt land outside of the cities. These wonderful blocks & blocks of highrises help spread disease through the (literally) shitty plumbing and ventilation systems in those buildings. One of the reasons why epidemics spread in China.

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by Anonymousreply 70February 2, 2020 4:47 PM

😷Kyle Bass😷 @Jkylebass · 16h 8 doctors in Wuhan identified the symptoms of the Chinese coronavirus as early as the first weeks of December. Police detained, censored, and punished them for spreading “false rumors” about a new virus.The CCP would rather try to save face than help it’s own people. #coronavirus

Dali L. Yang @Dali_Yang · Jan 29 The costs of stability at all costs: On January 1, well before the Wuhan #coronaravirus spread en masse and more than a week before the virus was identified, the Wuhan police announced that it had dealt with eight people for spreading untruthful information about "Wuhan viral

by Anonymousreply 71February 2, 2020 4:48 PM

R62 Bet posters don't even read these posts anymore whenever the name GLP is mentioned and do not have reading comprehension issues. I ff ever post with GLP in it and could be from that troll. I only saw 20 GLP mentions in that post and immediately ffed it.

by Anonymousreply 72February 2, 2020 4:51 PM

We have a shitload of empty Wal-Mart's and grocery stores tho also stadiums

by Anonymousreply 73February 2, 2020 4:54 PM

That land outside the city is where they are building temporary hospitals.

We don’t need temporary hospitals because we have permanent hospitals, don’t have these terrible disease starting off in our country, and don’t herd sick people into temporary buildings where they live or die like cattle. Or chickens

by Anonymousreply 74February 2, 2020 4:54 PM

Yeah, I think that poster who said he was satirizing the troll is correct. I don't think this guy is the actual troll.

by Anonymousreply 75February 2, 2020 4:55 PM

R69 What an optimist! No, it's a conspiracy theory about aliens and fluoridated water making the frogs gay and what have you. Literacy has nothing to do with it.

Come back geneticist! I thought your posts were very informative and interesting.

by Anonymousreply 76February 2, 2020 4:56 PM

"Is the GLP discussed and recerenced here Genetic Literacy Project?"

No, the one mentioned here is a conspiracy website and please ff when you see it mentioned.

by Anonymousreply 77February 2, 2020 4:56 PM

R65 “imminent” domain? Well at least you didn’t say Marshall law. These coronavirus threads don’t attract the best and the brightest.

by Anonymousreply 78February 2, 2020 4:59 PM

R76 Thank you for the clarification. The website for the organisation does use those initials, so people ought to be clear.

by Anonymousreply 79February 2, 2020 5:00 PM

R78 It was a solid attempt, and Trump LOVES using eminent domain. Its probably the only part of the Constitution that has been explained to him in any real depth.

by Anonymousreply 80February 2, 2020 5:02 PM

R66, I never suggested "Calling in loans", a la It's a Wonderful Life. I know they have specific payment schedules and timelines. So yes, I was talking about selling the debt and undermining the ability of the US to borrow in the future. And having to raise interest rates on new debt affects our economy too (recession?).

I can see China doing this as an example to the rest of their debtors. Screw with us, treat us bad, and we will fuck you over bigtime.

by Anonymousreply 81February 2, 2020 5:06 PM

I wonder how Trump feels about his CDC cuts now. Hope it won't backfire and cause trouble for Orangina when people find out his cuts are responsible for infections or even deaths.

by Anonymousreply 82February 2, 2020 5:06 PM

China's economy is going to take a serious blow from the coronavirus, R82, they're not going to be mucking it further by alienating the world's other economic superpower.

by Anonymousreply 83February 2, 2020 5:14 PM

The “hospitals” are holding pens and charnel houses for the infected.

by Anonymousreply 84February 2, 2020 5:16 PM

I suppose “quickly” is a relative term. Boston’s Big Dig took 25 years, but it was an incredible accomplishment. It built a huge tunnel under an old, functioning city. It replaced all the old utilities along the route with state of the art, including fiber optic telecommunication lines that means that the financial companies downtown can stay there and not move to NY or elsewhere. It also included a new tunnel under Boston Harbor to the airport. Then the old elevated highway was taken down and a park put in its place. All the while, traffic continued throughout the entire construction period.

I absolutely love the new construction. I would do everything possible not to have to drive through Boston on the old elevated highway as it would take half a day round trip. I never even considered applying for a job that required that commute. The new roadway is sometimes completely clear, or with a very minor delay of typically 20 minutes.

So, some of the factors that a replacement has to deal with, that new construction does not, are:

Keeping the old traffic running.

Removing the old infrastructure when the new infrastructure is completed and repurposing any newly freed-up land.

Switching over from old to new.

Higher safety standards that reduce worker mortality rate.

Replacing old utilities along the way.

Greater concern for air, ground, and water pollution; also vibration and noise. Destruction of nature habitats. These add time but reflect modern values.

by Anonymousreply 85February 2, 2020 5:16 PM

[quote] R81: I can see China doing this as an example to the rest of their debtors. Screw with us, treat us bad, and we will fuck you over bigtime.

Well, maybe. It’s more likely that they would do this with a much smaller state, as an example for us. Using the US as an example would be overkill.

by Anonymousreply 86February 2, 2020 5:20 PM

One of my relatives helped design the old Boston infrastructure. Funny how things are nowadays. Everything is graft & corruption and who you know & billionaires plotting things out. Back then, the firm with the best design got the job & none of them became what you’d call rich today. They were comfortably upper middle class, but not wealthy.

by Anonymousreply 87February 2, 2020 5:22 PM

Last year's economy was already worst in 30 years for China...this year will be even worse.

Many car manufacturers are suspending their plant operations until feb 9 or even longer...

by Anonymousreply 88February 2, 2020 5:23 PM

In NY, I think legally they have to accept the lowest big for the job. so many times, it's cheap work done poorly.

by Anonymousreply 89February 2, 2020 5:24 PM

We finally have a new, unexpected global challenge for Trump. Until now, there hasn’t been a new, unexpected and big challenge that required a competent President, not including the problems he created himself or blew out of proportion.

If he were Dubya or Obama, he would have already read a book or two on the 1918 pandemic and increased communication with the Health and Human Services Department and CDC. Trump certainly knew nothing about the 1918 pandemic and probably never heard of it before. He’ll think it’s a simple matter that can be fixed by bloviating about it. He certainly won’t bother trying to read about it. If the US’ handling of the problem is a success, it will be in spite of Trump, not because of him.

by Anonymousreply 90February 2, 2020 5:28 PM

^He is probably asking his minions if they can simply make some deals to get rid of the problem.

by Anonymousreply 91February 2, 2020 5:32 PM

R89, the work-around for that is to change the requirements so that the preferred vendor is the only one who can meet the requirements.

When a company wants to hire a specific H1-B visa applicant, they will advertise for a job with very narrow and specific requirements that only that one candidate can satisfy. This gets them around the requirement that there can be no suitable US applicant, in order to hire an H1-B applicant.

by Anonymousreply 92February 2, 2020 5:32 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 93February 2, 2020 5:38 PM

R93 I saw that this AM in another paper. Indonesia I believe is the country. Who really can say what's in that mix... Scary prospect for those with asthma or allergies. I saw another picture in China where people were "hosed" down with disinfectant. Drones throughout Wuhan and Hebei are spraying Dettol also.

This sadly is the lack of education in China, as these products are not meant for clothing, people, and their skin or hair. It's completely crazy. One good aspect of their propoganda vans equipped with loudspeakers, is that they're telling people to wash their hands with soap for a minimum of twenty-four seconds, and asking them to clip nails short, and scrub well. This is a huge advancement for many of them culturally. Dousing people in disinfectant isn't going to do much other than pollute groundwater over time.

by Anonymousreply 94February 2, 2020 5:51 PM

From Japan - paper towel masks

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by Anonymousreply 95February 2, 2020 5:54 PM

[quote] Someone keeps bringing this up, so this is my third answer to this question.

It’s probably the Idiot Libertarian Troll, who has no understanding of economics and who, even when proven wrong by actual events in the real world, will not believe real world economics.

by Anonymousreply 96February 2, 2020 5:56 PM

The stuff they spray in Wuhan everywhere is probably more dangerous than the virus itself. Could be carcinogenic or hurting your respiratory system.

by Anonymousreply 97February 2, 2020 6:01 PM

[quote] Trump certainly knew nothing about the 1918 pandemic and probably never heard of it before. He’ll think it’s a simple matter that can be fixed by bloviating about it. He certainly won’t bother trying to read about it.

Trust me he’s taking oseltamivir and they’ve got IVIG ready to go if he hasn’t had it already, He isn’t worried about it.

I was told years ago in environmental epidemiology class that bigwigs get IVIG “Do you ever wonder why politicians never die of these diseases?”

There are plans & treatments in place for biowarfare. For the bigwigs, not for us. If ebola breaks out I guarantee you they’ve got a stock of limited purified immunotherapy derived from survivors to give to the movers & shakers.

by Anonymousreply 98February 2, 2020 6:07 PM

Sometimes I wish there would be an epidemic and the 0.01% survive only to realize they actually have to do real work to survive. It will be hell for them.

by Anonymousreply 99February 2, 2020 6:20 PM

I’ve read through all these threads but still don’t know if this is any worse than the seasonal flu? Can someone help out and explain this? It’s really important.

If it’s like the flu, then it’s unfortunate, but business as usual. If it’s 100 times more infectious and twice as deadly, or if it’s disabling by causing brain damage, that’s all important to know.

Help!

by Anonymousreply 100February 2, 2020 6:32 PM

Question for DL financial gurus.

Stock market predictions for next 6 months?

by Anonymousreply 101February 2, 2020 6:38 PM

The “OMG! HIV!” paper has been withdrawn by its authors.

[quote]This paper has been withdrawn by its authors. They intend to revise it in response to comments received from the research community on their technical approach and their interpretation of the results. If you have any questions, please contact the corresponding author.

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by Anonymousreply 102February 2, 2020 6:42 PM

R100 it’s way for infectious than the regular flu. We also don’t know exactly how to treat it.

by Anonymousreply 103February 2, 2020 6:48 PM

It may be more infectious than regular flu, as R103 says, but it's no more serious - in fact it's less serious than flu, from what I've read, and the only people who are seriously at risk from it are the elderly, those with pre-existing medical problems or whose immunity is already compromised. Everyone else seems to be recovering.

R100 you should read a news story about it rather than asking on a goofy forum like DL that's full of cranks and conspiracy theorists.

by Anonymousreply 104February 2, 2020 6:56 PM

I heard there are a million trillion funeral homes in WuHan

by Anonymousreply 105February 2, 2020 6:57 PM

R102 They may have accidentally fanned the flames of the rumors that the outbreak is comnected to a research facility in Wuhan, a là the Marburg outbreak in Germany.

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by Anonymousreply 106February 2, 2020 7:09 PM

A short explanation of CRISPR/Cas9 gene editing, which the Wuhan Institute of Virology was apparently researching.

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by Anonymousreply 107February 2, 2020 7:17 PM

I am the geneticist from thread 2, R185,86 and others, and I have been lurking. I ran across this in the reading I have been doing, and I thought DLers might find it fascinating.

I wish we could see this kind of video, that I am posting here, from the inside of the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan, among a whole laundry list of other things.

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by Anonymousreply 108February 2, 2020 7:19 PM

r104 The guy in WA that got it was only 35, and it progressed to pneumonia very fast. He recovered, but only after being in intensive care and getting antivirals and Oxygen. The concern is that there aren't enough hospitals to treat everyone. It seems like it isn't serious in children, but they spread germs all over with their grubby hands and mouths.

by Anonymousreply 109February 2, 2020 7:28 PM

Sorry. I think this link works.

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by Anonymousreply 110February 2, 2020 7:28 PM

They’re making a movie, Goodbye to The Funeral Homes of Wuhan

by Anonymousreply 111February 2, 2020 7:36 PM

Subtitle: The House of Happy Luck Sunrise Smile

by Anonymousreply 112February 2, 2020 7:37 PM

R104 I think it's great that you, and so many others continue to reassure us it's weaker than regular flu strains, or shall claim fewer lives overall. However, I do understand why others seem to disagree with your take on it. Just for a moment, consider why the following may lead others to a different working hypothesis...

China putting 55M in quarantine is unprecedented in human history...They've added yet another city today, so my number may be wrong now.... that alone right there troubles people immensely. The aspect of the rush to build three new hospitals, in a mere matter of days, and to convert an existing structure to a 1,000 bed Coronavirus-only hospital has caused further alarm. I think it is good for people to be aware of developments and take precautions like eliminating unnecessary air travel, or avoiding crowded public places if old, or compromised in any way. It is understandable why people are prone to panic. (especially if they reside in large cities)

Many in public health believe it is too early to downplay caution, and believe there is a real threat, so we shouldn't be putting those down who believe in remaining vigilant, or wish to prepare for a future quarantine here in the States.

People obviously shouldn't worry themselves needlessly, as it would only result in suffering twice. First in the worry, and secondly if they do become sick. It doesn't hurt to ever be prepared for the worst however.

by Anonymousreply 113February 2, 2020 7:53 PM

When I cough into a trapped mob

My droplets more prolific than most

They float as the clouds on air do

I enjoy being a host

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by Anonymousreply 114February 2, 2020 7:53 PM

R113, I never aid it was just an ordinary flu strain. In fact I was the person who pointed out it is about 90 times more lethal than the flu. If flu infects 30 million/year and kills 10,000, than this one, having killed about 300 from about 10,000 infections (going from what the government is telling us): so Flu kills about 3-4 out of every 10,000 cases, whereas this coronavirus is killing 300 in the same number of infections. (putatively ---- once again, depending on what the government is reporting, which could be way off). So approximately 90 times worse. THAT is what I have been saying. Could you have me confused with someone else?

What I have also been saying is that there is no point in panicking. It doesn't help and besides, so far, it's pretty well contained here. I think the US and other countries are right in shutting down air travel till this stabilizes and resolves. But I also think that BSL-4 lab in Wuhan needs to be shut down and investigated. They may be completely uninvolved, and blameless, but merely unlucky, because the fact is they happen to be a BSL-4 lab, working on this virus, just when an outbreak occurs.

by Anonymousreply 115February 2, 2020 8:52 PM

Oh, hold on R113, I thought R104 was my lab video post. Just now see that it is someone else entirely. I am not R104. I am R110.

Carry on.

by Anonymousreply 116February 2, 2020 8:53 PM

BY the way, not sure what is going on, but DL seems only to add 5 posts at a time in this thread, and I have to refresh to see new posts. Has there been a change in the way this forum works?

by Anonymousreply 117February 2, 2020 8:55 PM

Yknow what is funny? This thread started out in part 1 as op telling ppl to not marying out. Right now at part 3, it has become freak out central for dl.

by Anonymousreply 118February 2, 2020 9:09 PM

i went out shopping today and I saw many chinese! they were close to me too. I hope I'm not gonna die...I heard them speak the language and I can tell the difference.

by Anonymousreply 119February 2, 2020 9:16 PM

Do you guys wear masks in public or do people where you live wear masks? Asking people in North America, Europe and Australia.

So far I have not seen anyone with a face mask here. This is very common in Asia bc of the bad air quality, but you never see anyone with a mask in Europe or NA. Right now I would feel stupid with a mask. How about you guys?

by Anonymousreply 120February 2, 2020 9:24 PM

I understand what you are saying R119. There is no point in getting crazy.

However, I am not impressed with what the Chinese government is releasing, in terms of information. That so many questions are going unanswered and unaddressed is what is leading to frustration and then panic.

They are providing numbers for confirmed cases of coronavirus infection, and numbers of deaths. But there are reports that the numbers are far higher and that the deaths are being mis-reported, as simply "pneumonia" or "natural causes." The people who have died of "pneumonia" have not had autopsies, as far I can tell. Are they really dying of pneumonia? That Radiology paper showing the broken glass infiltrate in a 33-year-old woman, bilaterally symmetrical, did not look all that severe. On the other hand, the people dying in the streets or in stores or other public spaces, seemed to die suddenly, which is not usually the way pneumonia kills you. Pneumonia makes you lethargic and weak, not walking around normally till you suddenly keel over like a felled tree. So what if it turns out this virus kills, not by pneumonia, but by encephalitis? That becomes a much more complicated picture.

Even if it is 12,000 confirmed cases, mostly in China, with about 300 dead, it seems to me they ought to be more calm about trying to figure out what ultimately does kill people.

by Anonymousreply 121February 2, 2020 9:27 PM

R120, it has been reported that masks are not protective, they are preventative. In an area like Wuhan, where many people could be infected and therefore infectious before they know they are sick, the masks help by preventing the dissemination of viral particles in spray during a sneeze or cough. But the mesh is too big in most masks, even when doubled up, so thy won't keep virus from getting into you, only keep you from spraying it out.

by Anonymousreply 122February 2, 2020 9:30 PM

[quote]They are providing numbers for confirmed cases of coronavirus infection, and numbers of deaths. But there are reports that the numbers are far higher and that the deaths are being mis-reported, as simply "pneumonia" or "natural causes."

The likelihood is that China is lying, of course. The director of the Imperial College of London said his "best guess" based on modeling was there were about 100,000 people affected by the virus – and that was one week ago.

That said, whatever China -- or any government -- puts out, conspiracy theorists won't believe it.

by Anonymousreply 123February 2, 2020 9:33 PM

R115 I'm simply saying I agree with certain points, and your optimism. If we do (as we should) disagree with the numbers of infected individuals, then it CLEARLY is less lethal by far, when one tries to arrive at any lethality. Many are said to do well at home, do not develop pneumonia, and recover. Many further maintain a good deal only experience mild cold or flu symptoms. Panic and worry never serves anyone.

As regards the lab in question, aside from the Israeli intelligence officer, I do believe something may have escaped from vaccine research at this lab. Too early to tell, but many realise viruses are created or engineered and patented for vaccine research and production. Another theory I find quite plausible, given the culture, is someone may have brought animals to market that were involved with the lab.

Sorry if my post wasn't clear, but I do think we need a viewpoint or outlook which remains calm regardless.

by Anonymousreply 124February 2, 2020 9:38 PM

R116 Now I realise I wasn't responding to the initial poster, I'm curious to trouble with what you DO make of my reply nonetheless. If we cannot trust the numbers, I cannot believe we are to arrive at anything meaningful or scientific in our conclusions regarding lethality. I agree it is NOT a common flu strain (I'm far brighter than that incorrect attribution) however, to be fair and objective, if 1M or 350K are infected, or even 100k, that shall bring down the rate of lethality.

I agree it is by far more virulent, considering the asymptomatic transmission, and long incubation period, coupled with innaccurate testing. Several have displayed false negatives, only to test positive upon second specimens/testing. In the States, the backlog of suspected cases is most concerning to me, if people are lulled into a false sense of security that they are negative. It is taking in excess of 72 hrs to confirm samples in most cases. The test itself takes 3-4 hrs to process, yet shipping and backlog add to those who may be infecting others. Many are not confined to hospital, or under quarantine in the US.

The patient in NYC who is suspected is the first to be under mandatory quarantine in hospital to my knowledge. Many distressing aspects, we should remain vigilant, yet calm, as all the worry shall only lead to diminished health, loss of sleep, etc in the long run.

by Anonymousreply 125February 2, 2020 10:02 PM

Just remember every time you hear a non-Chinese based entity praising the Communist response they are doing it for the same reason a police negotiator flatters a hostage taker. The communists have effed the response up royally even if this isn’t the result of a poorly conceived gain of function (GOF) study gone horribly wrong due to lax safety standards. The rest of the world needs to get in there and clean the mess up before it gets worse. And China will lock everyone out if they get criticized.

AND while those of us in western countries will probably be just fine taking our re-purposed AIDS drugs, poor countries will really suffer if the response in China doesn’t improve.

Last week I saw a few surgical face masks on the subway, but not enough where I could tell if it were a response to Wu CV or just normal NYC in winter masking. A microbiologist I know wore a N100 on his flight to a Chinese city. I don’t know if he also wore goggles. (I got the information second hand from another microbiologist.)

And I know I sound like an annoying aunt and i’ll probably be flamed for telling other posters what to do, but this virus is not a flu virus. And more importantly this virus does not self identify as a flu virus. Your mis-classifying of viruses is literally killing it (er actually making it stronger) Stop the violence against gene edited viruses with you Coronavirus-phobic hate speech.

by Anonymousreply 126February 2, 2020 10:06 PM

R126 I don't think you sound like an annoying aunt at all. I think the distinction ought to be made and repeated it IS NOT an influenza virus also, as those have travelled the globe, and most of us have an immunity to many already as mature adults. When this spreads like wildfire, due to several factors, we ought to take it very seriously.

You also believe this has been spliced, or engineered? I'm keeping an open mind, as I have mentioned upthread. On another thread, I strongly argued for a global health emergency to have been declared sooner. I was viscously beaten up for it. It remains a fact that China missed its "golden window" of containment to be sure. I also maintain test kits ought to be made readily available ASAP to individual hospitals for rapid testing and confirmation.

by Anonymousreply 127February 2, 2020 10:24 PM

R127 I for one value your opinion about this, thanks for posting. Won't be wearing a mask yet but at least I'm aware. Also lol at the... analogy. Definitions matter! 😜

by Anonymousreply 128February 2, 2020 10:26 PM

Here's CBS Asia correspondent Ramy Inocencio's Twitter feed. He's been reporting on the crisis from China. And apparently he's gay.

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by Anonymousreply 129February 2, 2020 10:35 PM

[quote] R119: i went out shopping today and I saw many chinese! they were close to me too. I hope I'm not gonna die...I heard them speak the language and I can tell the difference.

Posting from Hong Kong.

by Anonymousreply 130February 2, 2020 10:49 PM

This drone footage is wild.

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by Anonymousreply 131February 2, 2020 10:54 PM

R131 find that prospect utterly terrifying, very Orwellian. On a much lighter note, I like Ramy's nose.

by Anonymousreply 132February 2, 2020 11:03 PM

I’m sure the Chinese are following people around with drones and telling them to run back to the house because there is no danger at all and they’re just hysterics. Yup, that must be it. Nothing to see here, move along.

by Anonymousreply 133February 2, 2020 11:07 PM

Even without drones buzzing around overhead, we're already being observed constantly. How do you think those Google satellites allow you to pull up a map of the globe and then zoom in to the point where you can read the license plate on a car? The images you pull up online via Google Maps are not live updates, but the satellites are always there watching. Think of it as a Hubble telescope pointed backwards towards the earth.

by Anonymousreply 134February 2, 2020 11:13 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 135February 2, 2020 11:16 PM

I saw an article this morning about people in Santa Clara wearing masks but I didn’t know why.

I guess this is why.

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by Anonymousreply 136February 2, 2020 11:27 PM

Hodge podge of comments: please excuse.

R131, this is worse than Orwell! Big Brother! That poor sweet little old lady at the beginning broke my heart!

ElderLez, I don't think you sound like an annoying aunty either (geneticist NIH study section pal here). But I didn't understand what you meant here: "And more importantly this virus does not self identify as a flu virus. Your mis-classifying of viruses is literally killing it (er actually making it stronger) Stop the violence against gene edited viruses with you Coronavirus-phobic hate speech. " huh?

Are you a virologist? Are you defending the recombinant virus people? You should read the Ge papers from 2015, where they were actually doing this ---- putting HIV sequences into coronaviruses (at UNCCH).

As to the Golden Window, I think that was over as soon as that virus got out. I don't know that it was edited or not. I saw the paper from the Indian group ---- it looked like sequence alignments and that was all, with like a reference genome and I think 3 patient sequences. I just skimmed, so I don't know.

Test kits should be easier now ---- I have seen several papers claiming to have a PCR sequence that works, so it won't be dependent on ELISAs or inhibitory titration curves anymore.

Finally R125, even if the majority of the infected do not get so sick as to require medical care, that does not mean the percentage dying of this virus is necessarily lower. Remember that we can't really trust the Chinese government and some sources are claiming the death rate is also much higher than that being reported (they are being reported as simple pneumonia, or natural causes). So I suspect that the truth is somewhere between what the government is telling us and what the conspiracy theorists are claiming. Even if it turns out to be 50 times worse than the flu, rather than 100 times worse, the fact is it still causes pneumonia and possibly encephalitis. We also don't know how the immune system is dealing with it ----- does it allow it to stay dormant somewhere only to resurface again later (like chicken pox and shingles)?

That poster who said anything officials say at this point to the Chinese government is like negotiating a hostage situation. That's an excellent analogy. But sooner or later the hostages are freed, or killed, and then we still have to figure out how they made their bombs.

by Anonymousreply 137February 2, 2020 11:30 PM

I bought goggles today. They are 4 bucks at home depot. The return policy is 90 days...hopefully, I can return all this shit in 90 days lol.

by Anonymousreply 138February 2, 2020 11:30 PM

I bought goggles today. They are 4 bucks at home depot. The return policy is 90 days...hopefully, I can return all this shit in 90 days lol.

by Anonymousreply 139February 2, 2020 11:30 PM

Hold me, David. I’m scared.

by Anonymousreply 140February 2, 2020 11:40 PM

R126 and R137 I think the most likely explanation is that this pathogen is the result of that filthy wet market and Mother Nature doing her thing. But I’d say I’m only 55/45 on that vs. an escape from the BSL4.

I am not virologist, I’d define myself as scientist adjacent, but the scientists I am adjacent to are excellent. And I did used to actually engage in the research itself although on a very low level and a couple decades ago.

Thank you for coming back R137!! That part of the response was supposed to be a parody of the the Coronavirus as a trans person getting all upset at misgendering. It would have funnier if i’d managed to add the words micro-aggression by microbiologists and transgenic. I guess I shouldn’t give up my day job.

by Anonymousreply 141February 2, 2020 11:44 PM

Baric at Chapel Hill in 2015? The GOF pause in the US started in October 2014 so the research must have been done before then. Interesting

by Anonymousreply 142February 2, 2020 11:56 PM

I just saw a tweet from a trans person talking about worry about them since they are on HRT. They could get it easier. WTH is wrong with them? I seriously thought it was a joke about their craziness.

by Anonymousreply 143February 3, 2020 12:01 AM

incredibly enlightening commentary, r134.

by Anonymousreply 144February 3, 2020 12:21 AM

Yes Elderlez, Baric's paper. It was done before the GOF pause, but I think they submitted just in time to get it published.

By the way, GOF has been co-opted and it is being used incorrectly.

Loss of function mutations mean the mutations makes the protein lose its function, either completely (so it's a null mutation) or partially. GOF means either extended function (protein might be more stable, or escapes negative regulation), or extra protein gets made or channels don't close, etc. It does not refer to extra sequences being added. That is simply transgenic material. Adding sequence CAN render a protein useless, ,so really why use the word function at all? So confusing when people co-opt terms and then change their meaning.

And also by the way, my feeling is that even is the virus got out (air, water, whatever) and then taken up by the wildlife population and then made it into that market ---- that is still, obviously, a breach of the lab's security and it's still on them. Recombinant or not. And the more I read about the history of the lab, the PIs who are there and the facility itself, the more I am convinced they simply were not ready, and simply did not have the expertise o be doing something so dangerous. Of course, I am sure, there was governmental pressure, but honestly, this is insanity.

Did you watch the documentary I posted about proper procedure in a BSL-4? It really makes you aware of the myriad ways security could have been breached in Wahun.

by Anonymousreply 145February 3, 2020 12:23 AM

Hi R145 I started to watch the video, but it was an hour (sorry!) and I’ve actually physically been in/toured a BSL3-R when it was “clean” waiting for the CDC inspectors. It was kind of a trial run going over all of the safety features and procedures and records. (Obviously I was the lay member of the tour) I have tremendous respect for the investigators who go through such onerous procedures and know if they have a heart attack while in there waiting for their experiment to process they’ll probably die because only certain trained people can go in and the entry process is so involved. Even the fire department are trained to stay out and let the people inside die. Anyway let me know if you think I should still watch the video.

You know your comment about the Baric paper made me think. I know I pooh-poohed the poster who brought up the Charlie Lieber case on the other thread, and Charlie Lieber didn’t have anything to do with this, but maybe one of Baric’s junior investigators or post-docs got recruited by a Talent program to recreate his (Baric’s) lab in Wuhan after the US hold went into effect? (Could you imagine flying v(irus) i(n) p(ocket) with this thing?) Lots of labs lost funding with the hold. It was only supposed to impact ongoing grants and new contracts according to OSTP, but NIAID enforced it against existing contracts as well. Staff in those labs might have been easy picking for the Chinese government. Wouldn’t that be ironic in the worst possible way.

by Anonymousreply 146February 3, 2020 1:01 AM

Two more suspected coronavirus cases in NYC.

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by Anonymousreply 147February 3, 2020 1:22 AM

r46 Lysol disinfectant spray can eliminate coronavirus.

by Anonymousreply 148February 3, 2020 1:26 AM

China? You in danger, girl.

by Anonymousreply 149February 3, 2020 1:31 AM

"It would have funnier if i’d managed to add the words micro-aggression by microbiologists and transgenic"

No, R141, it'd have been funnier if you'd actually deployed wit and originality, rather than trying to resurrect a horse whose carcass was already beaten into the ground by DL actual years ago.

by Anonymousreply 150February 3, 2020 1:35 AM

"It would have funnier if i’d managed to add the words micro-aggression by microbiologists and transgenic"

No, R141, it'd have been funnier if you'd actually deployed wit and originality, rather than trying to resurrect a horse whose carcass was already beaten into the ground by DL actual years ago.

by Anonymousreply 151February 3, 2020 1:35 AM

Above was me btw

by Anonymousreply 152February 3, 2020 1:36 AM

R150, damn, you are hardcore.

by Anonymousreply 153February 3, 2020 1:36 AM

Sichuan, China just had a 5.7 earthquake a few hours ago. So, they have to deal with corona virus and a quake at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 154February 3, 2020 1:39 AM

Good news from R147

[quote]On Saturday, the World Health Organization issued its latest status report. As of this moment, the main driver of the coronavirus appears to be individuals who are showing symptoms. One of the fears has been that those spreading the infection may not even exhibit signs of being sick. But based on the data thus far, the report said, "transmission from asymptomatic cases is likely not a major driver of transmission."

by Anonymousreply 155February 3, 2020 1:46 AM

Very impressive ElderLez, that you has toured a BSL-3 facility! The one in the video was also pre-certification, at BSL-4. I found the video fascinating. I knew what the procedures were in theory, but hadn't actually seen the suits. They do discuss sharing viruses between labs, though they do not make it clear how they are transferred.

The people in the video asked about the fire department scenario and the guy giving the tour said that they do have to go through the same clearance procedures everybody else has to, in order to enter the facility; so if there is a fire, they would all have to go through showering, suiting up, all the rest. Hard to envision. The alternative is to risk having firefighters exposed, or unleashing those biohazards on the environment.

"You know your comment about the Baric paper made me think. I know I pooh-poohed the poster who brought up the Charlie Lieber case on the other thread, and Charlie Lieber didn’t have anything to do with this, but maybe one of Baric’s junior investigators or post-docs got recruited by a Talent program to recreate his (Baric’s) lab in Wuhan after the US hold went into effect? (Could you imagine flying v(irus) i(n) p(ocket) with this thing?)"

Actually that is exactly what happened. I think it was a Chinese post-doc from the Baric lab who is accused of stealing recombinant coronavirus and taking it back to Wuhan. I don't know the details. But yes, it undoubtedly fits into the grand scheme of things. And I suspect exactly your scenario of someone flying with a vial in his pocket, is how they did it.

"Lots of labs lost funding with the hold. It was only supposed to impact ongoing grants and new contracts according to OSTP, but NIAID enforced it against existing contracts as well."

I had no idea what the penalties post-hold were. That was pretty short-sighted on the part of the NIH, and I am kind of surprised it didn't occur to them ---- that they were incentivizing unethical behavior.

"Staff in those labs might have been easy picking for the Chinese government. Wouldn’t that be ironic in the worst possible way." Yes. Exactly what I was thinking. Sort of like making the Wuhan lab train for their BSL-4 facility by going to France, only to return to Wuhan, where undoubtedly the infrastructure was NOTHING like that in France, and may have led to laxity. Especially if there was political pressure to put China on the high-profile-science map.

I know the WHO offered assistance three separate times early in this outbreak and were rejected all three times. Fourth time was the charm. I wonder how long it's going to be before they get inspectors in there. And what they are doing in the meantime.

by Anonymousreply 156February 3, 2020 1:57 AM

R154, AND an outbreak of H5N1 (birdflu), in the Hunan province, neighboring Hubei province to the south.

by Anonymousreply 157February 3, 2020 1:59 AM

We’re all gonna die!

by Anonymousreply 158February 3, 2020 2:13 AM

Yay!

by Anonymousreply 159February 3, 2020 2:21 AM

China is so over.

by Anonymousreply 160February 3, 2020 2:22 AM

Huh R156 very interesting about the Baric lab scandal. Obviously I missed out on that story!!!!

It was very claustrophobic being in the BSL even in street clothes and knowing I could leave at any time. I can’t imagine being in there alone for 10 hours with one of those air head hoods things plus the full body suit. I’d have a panic attack.

I don’t know about all of Chapel Hill’s funding, but from my experience GOF was one portion of larger contracts so to be fair to the (very good) people at NIAID they probably thought people would be re-assigned other work, if they were considering job security at all.

And to be fair to everyone, post World War II technologically advanced biomedical research has mostly been conducted in countries committed to the highest ethical and safety standards. The idea that you could go do cutting edge research for good pay at a place devoid of a commitment to human rights, animal welfare, etc. It’s almost unthinkable. LooK at Nikos Logothetis. The guy was so harassed by the animal rights activists when he was at Max Planck he left to go to China. And in China researchers can torture animals. Is that a win for animal welfare? I don’t think so.

by Anonymousreply 161February 3, 2020 2:57 AM

I'm so glad I live in Africa.

I only need to work about getting eaten alive by a swarm of 🦗 Locusts.

by Anonymousreply 162February 3, 2020 3:10 AM

[quote] And to be fair to everyone, post World War II technologically advanced biomedical research has mostly been conducted in countries committed to the highest ethical and safety standards

Like Kazakhstan.

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by Anonymousreply 163February 3, 2020 3:17 AM

Mostly? How is that reassuring, R163?

by Anonymousreply 164February 3, 2020 3:19 AM

Russia has manufactured anthrax and has had at least two incidences where it escaped and killed neighboring people.

by Anonymousreply 165February 3, 2020 3:30 AM

Totally agreed R161.

But you know, research has not always been conducted in what we would consider suitable spaces. I have worked in some of the best universities in the world (don't want to mention names here) and some of the lab spaces are un-re-done. They are as they were 60 years ago, with exposed pipes, poor insultation, old-fashioned wiring. But the thing is, if there is a flood, or if there is a power outage, or whatever, it slows things down, sometimes ruins experiments, but no lives are lost. The issue in China, is not the lack of commitment to human rights or animal welfare----- it is naked ambition on the part of government officials who have no idea what they are demanding or what the ramifications of things going wrong are. The lack of empathy for other people or animals if part and parcel of the harsh attitude in power structures generally. To them, it sounds ridiculous ---- like being a hunter listening to children wanting to spare the bunnies. The divide is so huge.

Those body suits with the hoses and gloves and head gear, etc., are huge and require so much preparation to put on. But there are no bathrooms in the bsl-4. SO. If nature calls, it might mean having to go through an hour long procedure to go to the bathroom and to come back. MDs in Wuhan were wearing diapers rather than having to go to the bathroom. I think that gives you an indication of both: how serious this epidemic is, and what pragmatism means in China.

Seriously, if you can find the time, I think you would benefit from that documentary. Attention to details that had not even occurred to me. And should have.

by Anonymousreply 166February 3, 2020 3:43 AM

It is important to know that malnutrition and medical care are not necessary provided to the majority of Chinese people. Exposure rates in China may be higher compared to countries with universal health care, robust government pensions and food security programs. These health care programs are also essential in providing robust and quality medical care services to those who are sick. Also, medical providers and caregivers (family members) too.

by Anonymousreply 167February 3, 2020 4:08 AM

Malnutrition, poor medical care or no medical care at all is common in China. They have no system in place to help the majority of the Chinese people. The Chinese government lies, using fear and propaganda to oppress their people, including lying about medical conditions. This and the purposeful lack of political will has lead to this virus spreading. Simply put, the Chinese government does not care about their people.

by Anonymousreply 168February 3, 2020 4:18 AM

From the article I link below: "The Wuhan lab cost 300 million yuan (US$44 million), and to allay safety concerns it was built far above the flood plain and with the capacity to withstand a magnitude-7 earthquake, although the area has no history of strong earthquakes. It will focus on the control of emerging diseases, store purified viruses and act as a World Health Organization ‘reference laboratory’ linked to similar labs around the world. “It will be a key node in the global biosafety-lab network,” says lab director Yuan Zhiming. The Chinese Academy of Sciences approved the construction of a BSL-4 laboratory in 2003, and the epidemic of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) around the same time lent the project momentum. The lab was designed and constructed with French assistance as part of a 2004 cooperative agreement on the prevention and control of emerging infectious diseases. But the complexity of the project, China’s lack of experience, difficulty in maintaining funding and long government approval procedures meant that construction wasn’t finished until the end of 2014.

By comparison, Boston University's NEIDL Bsl-4 facility cost $200 million. The high cost of the facility in Boston was undoubtedly because: there were a LOT of lawsuits filed by neighborhood groups afraid of the facility, redesigns resulting from those and of course labor and materials in the US are much more expensive.

On the other hand, it took China 11 years to build this laboratory; Boston's was completed in 4. BU's NEIDL had to get inspected, and approved by federal, state and local officials, regulatory agencies (dozens of them), the WHO, the CDC, the EPA, professional scientific organizations, and the neighborhood watchdog groups. I am sure China went through all of the international regulations and approvals, but I suspect local, state and federal officials were not involved. National safety boards, neighborhood watchgroups, professional society inspections..... were likely not involved in the reviews.

The 8 doctors who were first reporting a new viral outbreak were arrested. I cannot imagine Whistle-blowing a national lab in China.

by Anonymousreply 169February 3, 2020 4:26 AM

[R167] America, you in danger gurl!

by Anonymousreply 170February 3, 2020 4:32 AM

[R167] America, you in danger gurl!

by Anonymousreply 171February 3, 2020 4:32 AM

At least four cases confirmed in the Bay Area.

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by Anonymousreply 172February 3, 2020 4:54 AM

[quote]But the mesh is too big in most masks, even when doubled up, so thy won't keep virus from getting into you, only keep you from spraying it out.

This is correct about the garden-variety surgical masks, but we are fortunate to have N95 filter masks available at any Target or Home Depot, and on Amazon. They are rated for the smallest particles as well as smoke. Probably a good idea to lay in a supply before the virus really makes headway and they sell out.

by Anonymousreply 173February 3, 2020 5:24 AM

While the N95 or 100 filter may work, it's the tiny gaps around the masks that pose the greatest risk. For this type of respirator to work, it needs to be custom-fitted to the face. You must also observe strict laboratory protocols when removing and cleaning it.

by Anonymousreply 174February 3, 2020 5:36 AM

First the coronavirus and now the Superbowl--just not the best week for the Bay Area.

But lots of us do have masks--thanks to all those wildfires--N95s were recommended for them. I suppose I could just put on a shower cap and my snorkel mask for the complete look.

by Anonymousreply 175February 3, 2020 7:52 AM

The Guardian: In Germany, eight people have tested positive for the virus so far. Seven of them, five Germans and two Chinese nationals, are employees of the car parts supplier Webasto, headquartered in Stockdorf, Bavaria. The eighth is the child of one of the employees.

All eight patients were in a “stable clinical condition” and had only shown “flu-like symptoms”, said a spokesperson for the Bavarian health ministry.

Four of the infected Webasto employees had taken part in a training workshop run by a Chinese employee who only started to feel ill on her return flight to China, where she subsequently tested positive for the 2019-nCov virus.

by Anonymousreply 176February 3, 2020 11:02 AM

The Pasteur Institute in Paris has managed to isolate and grow a culture of this coronavirus. That means it is available for research, which puts scientists on track to develop a vaccine. However, that isn’t a quick process. Christophe D’Enfert, a scientific director with the Pasteur Institute, told reporters in Paris the vaccine could be made available in 20 months if “all goes well”.

by Anonymousreply 177February 3, 2020 11:06 AM

R176 That Chinese lady sounds like she may be what is known as a 'super spreader'. For some odd reason certain individuals unknowingly spread a virus more easily than the majority of people.

There have been reports today that this virus is generally not transmittable when a person a asymptotic and that those cases in Germany are a rare occurrence. Time will tell.

by Anonymousreply 178February 3, 2020 11:16 AM

How shall we get to LA now???

by Anonymousreply 179February 3, 2020 11:31 AM

[quote] Simply put, the Chinese government does not care about their people.

Well, it’s not as if they cant spare a few hundred million.

by Anonymousreply 180February 3, 2020 2:54 PM

[quote]-Erna

Cunt!

by Anonymousreply 181February 3, 2020 3:01 PM

Twitter has banned financial market website Zero Hedge from the social media platform after it published an article linking a Chinese scientist to the outbreak of the fast-spreading coronavirus last week.

The move against the website came as the coronavirus has stoked a wave of anti-China sentiment around the globe. Hoaxes have spread widely online, promoted by conspiracy theorists and exacerbated by a dearth of information from the cordoned-off zone around China’s central city of Wuhan, where the outbreak began.

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by Anonymousreply 182February 3, 2020 3:08 PM

R180, I almost get the impression they want to get rid of people.

Look at the patients outside of China. They pull out the stops on every one, and a lot of them seem to be doing fairly well and recovering without incident. Which tells you there’s something about the way the Chinese are handling this which is not competent.

The doctors getting sick in such large numbers is unheard of. They must have really poor equipment and control of the environment. I wonder, when this is over, if they’ll end up having a doctor shortage. They even called up retired doctors. One of the dead doctors was retired and was “drafted” for the emergency.

by Anonymousreply 183February 3, 2020 3:12 PM

Zero Hedge is a garbage right-wing propaganda site, so no tears shed there.

by Anonymousreply 184February 3, 2020 3:15 PM

[quote]Twitter has banned financial market website Zero Hedge

RationalWiki’s description is more accurate:

[quote]Zero Hedge is a batshit insane Austrian school finance blog run by two pseudonymous founders who post articles under the name "Tyler Durden," after the character from Fight Club. It's essentially apocalypse porn. It has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2 recessions.[citation NOT needed]

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by Anonymousreply 186February 3, 2020 3:41 PM

"Hoaxes have spread widely online, promoted by conspiracy theorists and exacerbated by a dearth of information from the cordoned-off zone around China’s central city of Wuhan, where the outbreak began. "

Well that right there is the problem. If they provided information, the conspiracy theories and rumors would stop.

by Anonymousreply 187February 3, 2020 3:47 PM

NY Post: China accuses US of spreading ‘panic’ over coronavirus outbreak

The Chinese government on Monday accused the US of spreading “panic” over the coronavirus outbreak by pulling its citizens out of the country and restricting travel instead of offering significant assistance.

The US was the first country to begin evacuations, issued a travel warning against going to China, and from Sunday barred entry to foreigners recently in China.

Washington has “unceasingly manufactured and spread panic,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said, noting that the World Health Organization had advised against trade and travel restrictions, according to Reuters.

by Anonymousreply 188February 3, 2020 3:51 PM

yeah sure, blame the others...Look in the mirror Chinese cunts! Keep eating those wild animals and see what you get.

I'm so glad you're suffering...tens of thousands of dogs are slaughtered every year for the dog meat festival. This is karma.

by Anonymousreply 189February 3, 2020 3:54 PM

I feel very sorry for the residents of China and especially Wuhan. I am sure that this is far worse than the Chinese government is letting on and those poor people cannot speak the truth or get the proper help that they need. I am also sure that it most likely came from that lab which adds another layer of secrecy and fear. They are clearly totally unprepared for this which is a bit shocking as they knew the consequences. All around horrific situation.

by Anonymousreply 190February 3, 2020 4:00 PM

R177 scientists in Japan already did that last week. I imagine they’re closer to getting vaccine than the French seeing as how the Japanese are pissed off at having imported Chinese viruses so often.

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by Anonymousreply 191February 3, 2020 4:01 PM

Death toll surpasses 360

by Anonymousreply 192February 3, 2020 4:01 PM

can you believe the WHO doesn't think travel bans are necessary? Looks like they are taking money under the table from China.

by Anonymousreply 193February 3, 2020 4:08 PM

Two Miami of Ohio university students, a couple hours west of me, just tested negative for suspected Coronavirus.

PS: Reporter Dan Griffin is hot.

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by Anonymousreply 194February 3, 2020 4:24 PM

R193 they are useless. Look how long it took for them to declare an emergency. I’m glad countries are ignoring them and raising the drawbridges to contain it in China.

by Anonymousreply 195February 3, 2020 4:37 PM

The Dow is up 180 points at the moment, today.

by Anonymousreply 196February 3, 2020 4:44 PM

UN loves to kowtow to China, and WHO as part of the UN is no different when it comes to playing politics in favor of China. Go read what the WHO has done and is doing to placate China by barring Taiwan from all WHO participation, including past and current outbreak emergencies, even as these outbreaks affect Taiwan. WHO should be ashamed of itself for placing politics ahead of safety. From WHO’s pro-China stance in the China-Taiwan relationship, you really see how the organization values politics over public health. It’s why I and most healthcare providers that I know trust the CDC over the WHO.

by Anonymousreply 197February 3, 2020 4:50 PM

R196 Well that is certainly good news. It disturbs me to hear repeatedly that this virus is a huge Black Swan Event. I need to keep looking for good news, so as not to go completely mad.

by Anonymousreply 198February 3, 2020 4:51 PM

R193, years ago, during the bird flu scare, WHO also advised against travel bans and closing borders. At the time, no one knew how bad the virus would be. That one was caused by Chinese that let chickens roam into their house and live with them. Some were even kept as house pets more or less. I was following that with interest for a while and there were some really horrible complications for some people, miscarriages and pneumonia and hemorrhages. There were cases in Texas. The MSM didn’t cover that.

The rationale then was “by the time you think to close the border, the epidemic has already spread and it’s too late, so why bother when the horse is already out the barn door.” Also, they kept claiming that the effects of shutting down trade would be so horrible, it would be worse than the virus, which I thought was weird for a health organization.

I was surprised and glad to see countries didn’t listen this time. I thought most of these countries just blindly went by medical advice of organizations like WHO without thinking. As we’ve seen, people with the virus did leave China, but they’re being followed up on and not just turned loose to be a bunch of Typhoid Marys.

by Anonymousreply 199February 3, 2020 7:22 PM

I watched that WHO press conference and it was sickening. Boot-licking toadies, every last one of them. Like To Perez kissing up to Bloomberg.

I am disgusted by people who put money ahead of innocent lives.

by Anonymousreply 200February 3, 2020 7:51 PM

R199 and R200 I couldn't agree with you more. On another thread regarding "Economic Implications of..." Many were arguing against quarantine, as well as defending the WHO in not declaring an International Global Emergency. Many claimed this doesn't meet criteria for a Pandemic, or all the concern. Still, several maintained this is no worse, or milder than regular influenza. Several (too many) were quite Panglossian in their outlook, to the point they were no longer making sense. I believe some are so very short sighted; they fail to realise an economy is meaningless if two thirds of us are dead!

Proper prevention and public health protocols may indeed come with a heavy price, but that in no way means it isn't worth it in the long run.

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by Anonymousreply 201February 3, 2020 8:12 PM

Please God it stays bad long enough so that fucking Shen Yun troupe doesn’t come to NY in March and April.

by Anonymousreply 202February 3, 2020 8:14 PM

R201 Where do you get a two-thirds of us will be dead prediction from a disease with maybe a 2-3% mortality rate?

by Anonymousreply 203February 3, 2020 8:15 PM

R198, the Dow fell back a little. At the close it’s up 144, or half a percent.

by Anonymousreply 204February 3, 2020 8:19 PM

Your comic relief is welcome R202, but I don't believe they'll be coming over... even on a slow boat from China.

R203 I'm making an extreme point of a worst-case scenario, sort of the argument from absurdity to prove a point. Everything else is meaningless when put into the proper perspective. Who can really say how it would have continued to spread unabated? I don't think it's worth taking time with such emerging diseases. Sometimes an argument from absurdity is needed to prove how daft some of the Dr. Panglosses are.

by Anonymousreply 205February 3, 2020 8:20 PM

Well, R205, two thirds of us might get sick. We just won’t all die. The effects of a severe epidemic would be catastrophic. Right now, we can only wait to see if it will get that bad - and pray that it won’t.

by Anonymousreply 206February 3, 2020 8:36 PM

We never no come. Never.

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by Anonymousreply 207February 3, 2020 8:36 PM

If the mortality rate for Coronavirus was as bad as SARS (10%) or MERS (30%) I'd be worried, but it doesn't look like it's anywhere near that deadly.

by Anonymousreply 208February 3, 2020 8:39 PM

Are there long term consequences of infection? Such as permanent brain damage, for instance? People who survive plague or encephalitis can get brain damage. I heard early in that this was a possibility, but I can’t verify that.

by Anonymousreply 209February 3, 2020 8:41 PM

R206 I wasn't making any such prediction really, nor was I being serious. I picked that figure out my arse to prove a point how human lives take precedence over concerns for the economy. I think many more will become sick here, but not on a level with China. I have confidence in our better standards of hygiene, and confidence in our transparency here in the west.

by Anonymousreply 210February 3, 2020 8:42 PM

[quote]I am disgusted by people who put money ahead of innocent lives.

i honestly don't think it's money, I think it's practicality -- the WHO wants China to be more forthcoming and cooperative than it was for SARS, and WHO thinks kissing China's butt might help.

by Anonymousreply 211February 3, 2020 9:00 PM

They’re trying to get China to allow Western scientists in to make a realistic assessment and report.

by Anonymousreply 212February 3, 2020 9:13 PM

China made this a lot worse because of politics. This all started with eight doctors telling their friends about the virus. The doctors were arrested. Last I heard one at least was critically ill.

That sure stopped the virus, didn’t it? Nobody got sick, just because China arrested some doctors.

I’ve even read in the last few days, there’s some internal criticism of this “if I stick my head in the sand, nothing will happen” theory.

by Anonymousreply 213February 3, 2020 9:47 PM

I found this morning broadcast has two doctors which echo all of my criticism and concerns. I think this messaging oughht to be consistent. There are several inconsistent and innaccurate statements, even by health authorities here in the US. who are appearing on mainstream TV news programmes. Some claim it is NOT spreading person-to-person, only for a later guest to contradict the earlier guest!

These two are a cut above, in my estimation. (On CNBC)

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by Anonymousreply 214February 3, 2020 10:05 PM

^ sorry wrong link.... Interesting, but I don't believe it. I'll try to find the video.

by Anonymousreply 215February 3, 2020 10:07 PM

If it’s not spreading person to person, then how? 15,000 people didn’t all eat bats.

by Anonymousreply 216February 3, 2020 10:09 PM

I do hope this is the correct one... if not, it was Dr. Gottleib, former head of the FDA, along with another doc from The Mayo Clinic. Looks like it worked this time.

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by Anonymousreply 217February 3, 2020 10:17 PM

I haven't heard anybody say it's not spreading person to person. That would be ridiculous, given what we know. I have heard uncertainty about whether the virus can be spread to others while the carrier is not yet experiencing symptoms.

by Anonymousreply 218February 3, 2020 10:20 PM

R218 A guest on ABC this AM said exactly that. I could try to find video and link, but I'm not terribly good at it, and suggest you look on YouTube. It was said on the show with George Stephanopoulos.

by Anonymousreply 219February 3, 2020 10:29 PM

Hmmm, I found this GMA clip in which a guest says "there is no fear right now of the coronavirus spreading throughout Boston."

"It is not currently spreading in the U.S." is not the same as "it doesn't spread person to person."

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by Anonymousreply 220February 3, 2020 10:41 PM

I mentioned yesterday that the PCR test had been developed. That's new though. They WERE having to do ELISAa and an antibody test ----- so the CDC can't be faulted, the reagents were limited (antibodies have to be synthesized) and expensive. Not enough antibody to test hundreds of thousands.

PCR is super cheap and fast and not bottlenecked by limited reagents.

by Anonymousreply 221February 3, 2020 10:43 PM

如果您沒有繼承人,但有冠狀病毒,您可以將貓,鋼筆或溫哥華房屋遺贈給我嗎?

by Anonymousreply 222February 3, 2020 10:51 PM

R220 I'll try to find it a bit later for you. In a nutshell, the guest said it wasn't really spreading person-to-person in the US, because all the patients had been to Wuhan or mainland China, and it was expected that the one would infect their spouse. So they're essentially discounting transmission from anyone who had visited China, who living in close proximity spread the virus. Again another instance in my opinion of using false or inaccurate messaging to "calm" the American public.

by Anonymousreply 223February 3, 2020 10:55 PM

R222 Right. Thank you for your comments.

by Anonymousreply 224February 3, 2020 10:57 PM

R222, no you can't have my stuff. If corona gets me it's all going to the animal shelter.

by Anonymousreply 225February 3, 2020 10:58 PM

I was being sarcastic in R224. Can anyone provide a translation?

by Anonymousreply 226February 3, 2020 10:59 PM

"If you don't have an heir but have a coronavirus, can you give me a cat, pen or Vancouver house-bequeathed to me?"

Google translation not guaranteed.

by Anonymousreply 227February 3, 2020 11:00 PM

The google translation was right for once.

by Anonymousreply 228February 3, 2020 11:09 PM

R220 That isn't the spot or episode I was referring to. I hate to sound petty by splitting hairs, and taking everyone to task, but saying it isn't spreading in the US is still wrong, or inaccurate. The new CA case was yet another incident of a spouse who had contracted it without visiting China. His wife had visited China, returned well, but later developed illness, and subsequently infected him. It's not fair to say it isn't spreading TECHNICALLY.

I'm not sure if you did watch the CNBC spot, but the fact remains until all suspected patients are tested, we cannot be too sure of that really.

by Anonymousreply 229February 3, 2020 11:11 PM

Fuck the Chinese and their cocksucking enablers. Good for the USA and the travel ban. China can boo fucking hoo all they want. They already have Hollywood sucking their dicks, the UN/WHO downplaying their absurd, climate alarmists giving them a free fucking pass, as well as toadie puppet leaders like Duterte in the Philippines kissing their big ass.

If this breakout happened in a neighboring country like Vietnam, the Philippines, or Malaysia, China would have no fucking qualms banning all nationals from those countries and stopping their flights.

It’s time for sovereign nation states to stand against the CCP in the interests of their OWN PEOPLES and not that of string-filled Chinese money.

by Anonymousreply 230February 3, 2020 11:42 PM

Shameless R222.

by Anonymousreply 231February 3, 2020 11:43 PM

[quote]Uber confirmed Monday that it's temporarily suspended roughly 240 user accounts in Mexico to prevent the spread of coronavirus. The virus was first discovered in the Wuhan region of China late last year but has since been found in at least 20 other countries, including in Europe, the Middle East, Australia and the US.

[quote]In a statement on Twitter Saturday, Uber said it suspended the accounts in Mexico because those users had come in contact with two drivers possibly exposed to the virus. The news was first reported by Bloomberg.

more at link

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by Anonymousreply 232February 3, 2020 11:46 PM

John Campbell has pointed out there are many many connections between China and Africa and no data on infection in Africa has been reported. Given less sophisticated medical care, this could be the most devastating area.

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by Anonymousreply 233February 3, 2020 11:52 PM

[quote]Study claiming new coronavirus can be transmitted by people without symptoms was flawed

This is pertaining to the German cases, which were attributed to asymptomatic transmission:

[quote]“During her stay, she had been well with no sign or symptoms of infection but had become ill on her flight back to China,” the authors wrote. “The fact that asymptomatic persons are potential sources of 2019-nCoV infection may warrant a reassessment of transmission dynamics of the current outbreak.”

[quote]But the researchers didn’t actually speak to the woman before they published the paper. The last author, Michael Hoelscher of the Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich Medical Center, says the paper relied on information from the four other patients: “They told us that the patient from China did not appear to have any symptoms.” Afterward, however, RKI and the Health and Food Safety Authority of the state of Bavaria did talk to the Shanghai patient on the phone, and it turned out she did have symptoms while in Germany. According to people familiar with the call, she felt tired, suffered from muscle pain, and took paracetamol, a fever-lowering medication. (An RKI spokesperson would only confirm to Science that the woman had symptoms.)

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by Anonymousreply 234February 4, 2020 12:19 AM

they said they would find out by monday about the NYC case but no news yet!

by Anonymousreply 235February 4, 2020 12:32 AM

BREAKING: China has agreed to allow U.S. health experts into the country as part of a World Health Organization (WHO) effort to help fight the fast-spreading #coronavirus - REUTERS

by Anonymousreply 236February 4, 2020 12:32 AM

yeah, it only took them a fucking week. assholes.

by Anonymousreply 237February 4, 2020 12:33 AM

Maybe now we can get some more reliable information.

by Anonymousreply 238February 4, 2020 12:37 AM

Assuming they’re any more honest here than they were in China. These days, who knows.

by Anonymousreply 239February 4, 2020 1:07 AM

I would guess the American inspectors are going to be as ass-kissing as the WHO is.

by Anonymousreply 240February 4, 2020 1:08 AM

R220

If it is spreading person to person, then how did those Germans get infected? They have never been to China, but they work in contact with someone who had recently returned from Wuhan.

Did the CIA send you?

Disinformation is their specialty...

by Anonymousreply 241February 4, 2020 2:44 AM

R220

If it is spreading person to person, then how did those Germans get infected? They have never been to China, but they work in contact with someone who had recently returned from Wuhan.

Did the CIA send you?

Disinformation is their specialty...

by Anonymousreply 242February 4, 2020 2:44 AM

R222

I have a pet bat for you.

It’s named Lucille.

没办法 created this mess fucker.

Fuck you.

by Anonymousreply 243February 4, 2020 2:46 AM

I actually ate bat yesterday. It was yummy. Kind of jerky like earring mushroom. I can see why the Chinese like bat soup.

by Anonymousreply 244February 4, 2020 2:53 AM

I actually ate bat yesterday. It was yummy. Kind of jerky like earring mushroom. I can see why the Chinese like bat soup.

by Anonymousreply 245February 4, 2020 2:53 AM

On the ground reports in many regions of China are not comforting.

Various international students and “vloggers” in China have been much more forthcoming with information.

These guys are married to doctors in China.

They’re not scared, at all. 😏

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by Anonymousreply 246February 4, 2020 2:54 AM

R246, those guys have an excellent video on their youtube channel from about 3 weeks ago entitled, "Why the Chinese think they're better than you."

by Anonymousreply 247February 4, 2020 3:20 AM

so hopefully everybody is Kung flu fighting

by Anonymousreply 248February 4, 2020 3:22 AM

100 students from Princeton University are self-quarantining themselves. They just returned from China. Undergrad and Grad students.

by Anonymousreply 249February 4, 2020 4:45 AM

This chart shows diseases according to their mortality (deadliness) and mobility (contagiousness). This is a classic X * Y = K graph depicting an environmental constraint. High mortality reduces mobility and vice versa.

If you're a bioweapon designer, though, your goal is that empty upper right quadrant, i.e. maximum mortality AND mobility. How can you reach that goal?

From an algebraic view, assume X * Y = 100:

[quote]Maximum mobility (2 * 50 = 100) OR Maximum mortality (50 * 2 = 100)

Assume a typical virus at 10 * 10 = 100

Now assume we can design the behavior by separating it into two phases:

[quote]Phase 1, maximum mobility: 2 * 25 = 50

[quote]Phase 2, maximum mortality: 25 * 2 = 50

So we're still within the original constraint (100) but increased mortality from 10 to 25 and mobility from 10 to 25. In other words, traditional virologists are now dealing with something TOTALLY outside of their models.

To maximize mobility, the weapon should minimize mortality at first. It will look deceptively innocuous for most of its life. But mortality will rise drastically at the end. The average virologist could be baffled by its behavior because it violates a well-known model. Right now, 2019-nCoV's rate is reported as 3%, 15% or 55% mortality rate, depending on when its measured and who is measuring it.

[bold]If this is a chimeric virus, I'd expect the final rate to be closer to 55% than 3%.[/bold]

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by Anonymousreply 250February 4, 2020 4:45 AM

I kind of hope this takes out a lot of boomers over 65 or so. It could mean real renewal for younger generations.

by Anonymousreply 251February 4, 2020 4:48 AM

The self-quarantining will never work out. People will get stir crazy, then run out to a bar for a few hours and we are screwed.

by Anonymousreply 252February 4, 2020 4:49 AM

R251

You just lost major karma with that.

I’ll assume you have an isolated home with lots of food, water, a generator, with guns to protect them. If not, you’re probably fucked.

by Anonymousreply 253February 4, 2020 5:10 AM

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by Anonymousreply 254February 4, 2020 5:26 AM

One of the Germans was sick, got better and was tested for NoCV19, and they found that even though he presented as healthy he had a viral load of 10^8 mL.

100 million per milliliter. And he’s apparently healthy. With that level of infective capacity a 1% mortality rate would be 70M people.

Extrapolate from that number.

No, this isn’t a scary disease at all.

by Anonymousreply 255February 4, 2020 5:38 AM

Airborne AIDS

by Anonymousreply 256February 4, 2020 5:40 AM

AIRBORNE SUPER AIDS

by Anonymousreply 257February 4, 2020 6:22 AM

NYC Team Led By Scientist Who Advised On “Contagion” Is Racing To Unlock The Coronavirus.

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by Anonymousreply 258February 4, 2020 6:46 AM

From The Guardian 2 hours ago:

"Hong Kong’s hospital authority says hospitals in the territory have admitted 64 people in the last 24 hours showing symptoms of coronavirus.

It comes after Hong Kong reported its first death from the virus – a 39-year-old man believed to have had underlying health issues.

An official also revealed that of the 17 confirmed case of the virus in Hong Kong, four are likely to have been locally transmitted."

My comment: Hopefully most or better still all of the 64 people will having nothing more than the regular flu. There were over 20 people in one of the planes going back to France from Wuhan and none of them came back with this virus - just the regular flu. So here's hoping it's the same for Hong Kong.

by Anonymousreply 259February 4, 2020 10:30 AM

From The Guardian 1 hour ago:

"One of the infected Thai drivers, a 70-year-old, also had tuberculosis and was transferred into government care from a private hospital on Monday in a worse condition than the others.

The other driver was tracked down by Thai authorities after being identified as one of the people in contact with an infected Chinese tourist, Suwannachai said.

Thailand confirmed its first case of human-to-human transmission on Friday when a taxi driver tested positive. The country’s 25 cases consist of six Thais and 19 Chinese. Seventeen remain in hospital and eight have gone home, according to the health official.

Earlier on Tuesday, South Korea reported a 42-year-old woman has tested positive for coronavirus after visiting Thailand. It was not clear yet where she had contracted the virus."

Doesn't sound too good for the poor 70 year old taxi driver with the wretched virus onto of TB. I also read in another report a couple of days ago that most of the Chinese tourists in Thailand had left the country and headed back home so hopefully the risk in Thailand will drop dramatically.

by Anonymousreply 260February 4, 2020 10:33 AM

From The Guardian 2 hours ago:

"China’s national health commission announced on Tuesday that the national mortality rate of coronavirus is running at 2.1%.

In Hubei province, which accounts for 97% of all fatalities, the rate is 3%. The commission said 80% of deaths were of people over the age of 60 and 75% had underlying conditions.

The Guardian’s explainer on the virus points out that the current death rates are likely to be an overestimate. This is because more people are likely to have been infected by the virus but not suffered severe enough symptoms to attend hospital, and so have not been counted.

For comparison, seasonal flu typically has a mortality rate below 1% and is thought to cause about 400,000 deaths each year globally. Sars had a death rate of more than 10%."

My comment: One must keep in mind the Wuhan is the epicentre and health professionals are probably stretched to breaking point. 80% of deaths are aged over 60 but they don't give a median or average age. There have also been two reports of two babies possibly being infected but both are in a stable condition.

by Anonymousreply 261February 4, 2020 10:52 AM

From The Guardian 8 minutes ago:

"African countries are rushing to reinforce their defences against the rapidly spreading coronavirus, as health officials say many countries on the continent are ill-equipped to combat the potentially lethal disease.

There have been no verified infections in Africa to date, but porous borders, a continuing flow of travellers and poorly resourced healthcare systems have raised fears that the virus could spread rapidly if the precautions of local authorities prove inadequate.

“Our greatest concern is the potential for the virus to spread to countries with weaker health systems,” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the World Health Organization’s director general, said last week."

My comment: I had read a week ago that WHO's biggest concern are most African countries because they are not remotely equiped to deal with this. Compounding the issue is that most other countries around the world are focused on their own cases and near neighbours. Personally, I think if this virus hits Africa the rest of the world will cut them off, at least until they have it under control in their own countries. Currently lots of people fly in and out of many African countries so this is very worrying.

by Anonymousreply 262February 4, 2020 10:56 AM

That was a really ugly comment R251.

by Anonymousreply 263February 4, 2020 11:33 AM

Indeed it was R251. I've blocked them as I don't want to read any other nasty comments they may feel like sharing.

This virus is the worse news the world has had outside Climate Change.

Singling out one particular group of people is revolting. Remains of the 1980s when a number straights didn't give a fuck about the gays and druggies dying from a terrible illness they thought wouldn't effect them. In the end of the day this effects everybody.

by Anonymousreply 264February 4, 2020 11:39 AM

R251 must be a Bernie Bros, hoping that he'll win if all the 'olds' die off. Well, R251, if all the 'olds' die, no one will be around to pay for your grand utopia where you get to sit on your ass and get free shit.

Plus, Saint Bernout is an old with comorbidities leaking out of his ass, so he'd die from it, too.

Be careful what you wish for, prick.

by Anonymousreply 265February 4, 2020 12:02 PM

R252. The 1918 flu targeted the young and healthy. I don't know the science behind it, but something about their strong immune systems gave that particular strain fertile ground. I read early on that Wu Flu target age range for infection is 40-60 although deaths are mostly older. Not sure if that's still true.

by Anonymousreply 266February 4, 2020 12:07 PM

Japan is preventing passengers from leaving a cruise ship after a male passenger was found to be infected with the coronavirus when he disembarked in Hong Kong late last month, the health ministry said.

Several dozen quarantine officers were checking the health of the 2,500 passengers and 1,000 crew members, Japan’s health ministry said on Tuesday.

by Anonymousreply 267February 4, 2020 12:10 PM

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have announced second case of transmission of the new coronavirus within the country.

“We expect to see more cases of person-to-person spread,” said the CDC’s Dr Nancy Messonnier.

It takes the US total number of cases to 11.

by Anonymousreply 268February 4, 2020 12:12 PM

Very informative video at R246, thanks.

by Anonymousreply 269February 4, 2020 1:14 PM

The number of people infected with #coronavirus surged by more than 3,000 overnight, as experts worry it could become a pandemic. This morning, in the epicenter city of Wuhan, a newly-built hospital dedicated to treating the virus started accepting patients.

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by Anonymousreply 270February 4, 2020 1:20 PM

face masks shortage in Japan. supplier is cancelling orders as they do not know when they can get shipment in.

by Anonymousreply 271February 4, 2020 2:07 PM

They may have built the new hospital in 10 days but they are running low on medical supplies and there is a lack of doctors. Another 2000 cases diagnosed in Huibei province where Wuhan is located.

WHO is sending a team as early as this week.

by Anonymousreply 272February 4, 2020 2:16 PM

New findings suggests that they could treat this with Sars vaccine. Published in Nature.

Both viruses infect lungs through the same entry points. genome sequence is 80 percent the same as Sars

by Anonymousreply 273February 4, 2020 2:21 PM

Today in WHO news:

The head of WHO's Global Infectious Hazard Preparedness division says that the outbreak of the deadly novel #coronavirus, which has spread from China to two dozen countries, does not yet constitute a "pandemic."

"It is a quite a stable virus," said World Health Organization's director of Pandemic and Epidemic Diseases Department Sylvie Briand. So far, @WHO has no evidence of #coronavirus mutation.

by Anonymousreply 274February 4, 2020 3:03 PM

[quote]This report comes after at least 108 Princeton students were ordered to self-isolate on Sunday

Excellent idea. American college students are notoriously selfless and obedient. I'm sure every one of them will observe the orders.

by Anonymousreply 275February 4, 2020 3:11 PM

Dear R156 check out the acknowledgements section of this publication.

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by Anonymousreply 276February 4, 2020 4:51 PM

American Airlines on Tuesday temporarily halted flights to Hong Kong due to a sharp decline in travel there amid the rapidly spreading coronavirus.

The air carrier canceled service from airports in Dallas and Los Angeles to Hong Kong through Feb. 20, CNBC reported.

“We will continue to monitor the situation closely and make any updates as needed,” an American Airlines spokesperson said in a statement.

American Airlines had already suspended flights between the US and the Chinese cities of Beijing and Shanghai.

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by Anonymousreply 277February 4, 2020 5:24 PM

No updates today as of 130PM EST

That’s nothing to be concerned about at all...

by Anonymousreply 278February 4, 2020 5:32 PM

R255 Those are very real concerns. shall also add the viral loads as discussed by Dr. Campbell, amongst convalescing and "well" or recovered patients is quite distressing, as it explains how this is so virulent, or contagious.

by Anonymousreply 279February 4, 2020 5:35 PM

NY1 did a story on masks in Chinatown, most are sold out but two interviewed managed to buy a box from a pharmacy on canal street. The two people interviewed were from China and buying masks to send home to their parents.

by Anonymousreply 280February 4, 2020 5:39 PM

r280, the crisis may well be over before those masks actually arrive.

by Anonymousreply 281February 4, 2020 5:52 PM

R279, what if people who recover continue to be contagious for some time after they visibly “recover”? There are a lot of people with this flu who will never get a severe case and never even go to the doctor. They’ll think they have regular flu and go back to work at the earliest possible moment. Especially food service workers, who have little or no sick leave, and are continually threatened with firing if they take off.

So what if that barely recovered flu patient immediately goes back to their low paying job at McDonalds, or Walmart?

by Anonymousreply 282February 4, 2020 6:19 PM

A Chinese man who tested positive for coronavirus fell sick on a family vacation to Mexico before he flew back to Los Angeles, according to a report.

The 38-year-old man, who was only identified as Q.L., traveled Jan. 20 to Mexico City on a Delta Airlines flight from Los Angeles, the Mexican newspaper Milenio reported.

Upon arrival, the man took an Uber to the Hotel Hilton Mexico City Reforma, where he was staying with his family, according to the report.

The next day, they had breakfast in the hotel before roaming around to the city’s tourist sights, the report said.

The group walked about a mile to the Catedral Metropolitana, went to a museum and ate tacos at a local restaurant, the outlet reported.

Later that evening, he began to feel ill and the next day took an Uber back to the airport, where he flew back with his family on an American Airlines flight to LA. the report said.

Mexico’s health ministry confirmed Saturday that a person carrying the new coronavirus had visited Mexico City, but since left the country, and that it had taken steps to monitor whether the illness spread.

The department said it informed guests at the hotel, as well as Uber about the man’s case.

“An epidemiological investigation is being carried out with the objective of identifying potential contacts that could have been spread,” the department said, adding that no one had shown any symptoms of the coronavirus.

Uber said the company suspended two drivers whom he came into contact with on the trip, as well as 240 other rider accounts in case one of the drivers potentially spread the virus to them.

“We will keep users and drivers informed with respect to any update of their accounts,” Uber said in the statement.

Mexico has reported no confirmed cases of the coronavirus, which originated in China and spread to more than 20,000 people.

Mexico has reported no confirmed cases of the coronavirus, which originated in China and spread to more than 20,000 people.

American Airlines, Delta and Hilton Hotels didn’t immediately respond to request for comment.

The Centers of Disease Control and Prevention also didn’t respond to questions about the case.

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by Anonymousreply 283February 4, 2020 6:26 PM

R272 Shortage of medical staff including nurses, as physicians don't provide actual bedside care that nurses do. Remember with the Ebola virus in Houston it was 2 nurses who contracted the virus taking care of the infected patient who eventually died. Globally during that ebola outbreak, many nurses also contracted the virus because they're at the forefront and were not properly prepared by health officials to take on the risk of caring for patients. This remains true today.

by Anonymousreply 284February 4, 2020 6:27 PM

[quote]NY1 did a story on masks in Chinatown, most are sold out but two interviewed managed to buy a box from a pharmacy on canal street.

Oh sure, masks bought on Canal Street will be effective. He should send it with 100% genuine Chenal bag or Guchi belt.

by Anonymousreply 285February 4, 2020 8:50 PM

All Bets are Off: : Macau, the world's biggest gambling hub, has asked casinos to temporarily close to halt the spread of coronavirus.

by Anonymousreply 286February 4, 2020 8:50 PM

Video from inside the trenches in Wuhan, where the government is making nurses work 14-15 hours shifts which includes 8-hour stretches when they can't drink or go to the bathroom because they're in isolation suits and masks. And looks like they have had to stay in dorms too instead of going home. Video from a Chinese government-sponsored YT channel FWIW. Shit like this would never fly here, no one should be subjected to working nonstop 8 hours using your body and your brainpower without any breaks for hydration and bathroom.

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by Anonymousreply 287February 4, 2020 8:59 PM

Posted in another thread:

One of my lobbyist friends went to a lunch with Senator Warner today. He had just been briefed by the CDC and said apparently China is under-reporting their corona virus deaths by 100 times.

So...not 425 deaths. Actually more like 42,500.

by Anonymousreply 288February 4, 2020 9:00 PM

R287 it’s called fighting a war. Americans are rather lazy.

by Anonymousreply 289February 4, 2020 9:23 PM

yes, I totally believe that number. They have quarantined over 50 million people and have trucks spraying the streets with who knows what...

Video linked shows them converting gyms, convention centers to makeshift hospitals.

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by Anonymousreply 290February 4, 2020 9:28 PM

ITHACA, N.Y. (WBNG) -- Cornell University says one student is being tested for coronavirus after they began showing symptoms of the virus.

The announcement comes just days after the university prohibited student travel to China.

On Sunday, a Cornell student presented symptoms that met criteria for testing for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus. As the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is the only entity in the U.S. able to test for Novel Coronavirus, they are currently processing the laboratory tests and results could take a full week. The student, who does not reside on campus, is currently in isolation, safe and receiving ongoing care. At this time, there are no confirmed cases of Novel Coronavirus in New York state.

Cornell is working in concert with the Tompkins County Health Department (TCHD) to monitor and support the health and safety of the individual and the broader community. A contact investigation is underway through TCHD. Anyone who has had close contact, as defined by the CDC, with the individual will be contacted by TCHD.

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by Anonymousreply 291February 4, 2020 9:31 PM

I hope R292 is talking shit.

If that number of dead is the case, that would mean between 1.5 and 2M infected.

by Anonymousreply 292February 4, 2020 10:09 PM

Don't be dumb, go by facts and facts of this virus shows lower virulence than SARS (13-14%) and MERS (35-27%) and Ebola (50%). If people who work in healthcare like myself aren't freaking out, then those of you who take common sense precautions shouldn't either. Go by science instead of fear or fear-mongering. I think the CDC has learned a lot since the Ebola debacle where they lagged behind on issuing protocol for healthcare providers, it's why those nurses became infected with Ebola. We've come a long way since nurses had to device their own makeshift protective gear. As this article showed, CDC officials deemed one of the nurses who got infected "no risk", hopefully a lesson was learned by the CDC.

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by Anonymousreply 293February 4, 2020 10:19 PM

What an adorable Cavalier.

by Anonymousreply 294February 4, 2020 10:25 PM

R293, a big part of the spread to medical staff is medical personnel with inadequate gear, plus exhausted personnel due to a shortage of staff. Exhaustion + bad gear = lowered immune system & exposure.

Even though we may know what sort of gear people should wear, there isn’t any in China. How much worse would Ebola have been if the staff had no protective gear and had to work 20 hours a day, sleep on the bare floor and never hydrate? And they were leaving dead bodies of infected Ebola patients in the lobby in front of sick patients waiting for hours? The whole continent of Africa would be dead by now, if they did it the Chinese way.

by Anonymousreply 295February 4, 2020 10:26 PM

[quote] The effects of a severe epidemic would be catastrophic.

It’s not a sever epidemic.

It’s even close.

Stop masturbating your imagination

by Anonymousreply 296February 4, 2020 10:54 PM

YouTube suggested this video to me. Never heard of this guy, but have to say, he doesn't sound hysterical or conspiracy-oriented. He seems to make sense regarding how the government could lie without getting caught. Yet.

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by Anonymousreply 297February 5, 2020 1:40 AM

He seems to be some sort of doomsday prepper. His link goes to his site that sells survival books and DVDs. He claims that the virus is spreading at an exponential rate. Considering how long the virus has been around already If it was spreading at an exponential rate it'd be like this scene from Contagion.

Could it get really bad? Sure, but unless the mortality rate of this virus is massively higher than it seems then it's just a bad flu.

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by Anonymousreply 298February 5, 2020 2:46 AM

[quote] Never heard of this guy, but have to say, he doesn't sound hysterical or conspiracy-oriented.

Your b.s. detector is on the fritz, time to take it in for a tune up.

by Anonymousreply 299February 5, 2020 2:51 AM

Updates here.

No way that the death toll “only” increased by 60 people over a 36 hour period in China.

Do you believe that the death rate outside China is rising higher than inside Wuhan? That’s what China’s leadership is claiming.

That’s preposterous. The people outside China are getting the best medical care on the planet, but are dying faster than people inside poor provinces in China?

Now that we have cases outside China we can get an accurate R0 and fatality rate.

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by Anonymousreply 300February 5, 2020 3:18 AM

Updates here.

No way that the death toll “only” increased by 60 people over a 36 hour period in China.

Do you believe that the death rate outside China is rising higher than inside Wuhan? That’s what China’s leadership is claiming.

That’s preposterous. The people outside China are getting the best medical care on the planet, but are dying faster than people inside poor provinces in China?

Now that we have cases outside China we can get an accurate R0 and fatality rate.

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by Anonymousreply 301February 5, 2020 3:18 AM

R297

That’s the same video series I’m watching.

There is ZERO chance that the number of deaths inside China are accurate. Is it 493 (current death toll) or 50,000 dead of “pneumonia” more likely?

by Anonymousreply 302February 5, 2020 3:21 AM

About the guy in r297’s video:

[quote]While YouTube seems to have adjusted its algorithms to prioritize content from authoritative sources and stifle the reach and virality of videos from other creators, a handful of them are still seeping through the cracks and spreading widely on the platform or other social media sites.

[quote]One popular series on the virus is produced by a personal finance guru with a history of pushing economic theories about peak oil and other resource crunches, but who has recently rebranded as a pandemic expert as news coverage of the virus has exploded.

[quote]“I’m here with a really important message about the coronavirus,” Chris Martenson, one of the founders of the financial website Peak Prosperity, says at the beginning of a video entitled “Coronavirus Is Worse Than You’ve Been Told: Scientist Explains.”

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by Anonymousreply 303February 5, 2020 3:23 AM

R301, how do you get that the death rate outside China is rising higher (faster?) than inside China? That page says there are two deaths outside China, and that's counting Hong Kong as outside China.

by Anonymousreply 304February 5, 2020 3:25 AM

I'd also like to know what you people are basing your claims on. Why are you pointing to these numbers and crying bullshit, based on what?

by Anonymousreply 305February 5, 2020 3:27 AM

R298

I don’t think you got the message. If R0 is 4 (and data indicates that number is more likely that 2) then this week will be the “make or break”. If asymptomatic incubation period is protracted then the predicted number of new infections increases MUCH faster than current R0 projections.

The Japanese cruise ship had an infected passenger disembark 9 days ago, and now people on the ship are infected. That should be a clue.

Quit spreading disinformation to make yourself feel better, Cunt!

by Anonymousreply 306February 5, 2020 3:29 AM

Can you imagine being locked on a cruise ship with an infected person? There’s no where to go, you have no choice but to eat whatever they serve you, not knowing if the people preparing it are contagious without noticeable symptoms. You’re surrounded by amenities and just touching anything in any of the rooms could kill you.

It must be like living through Poe’s “The Masque of the Red Death.”

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by Anonymousreply 307February 5, 2020 3:37 AM

Hong Kong has 15 cases and one death.

Extrapolate data outside China and you will see that the politburo is lying.

The death toll is much higher.

by Anonymousreply 308February 5, 2020 3:37 AM

Hey R306, fuck you and your fear mongering bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 309February 5, 2020 3:38 AM

R309 was a prolific troll.

Block her and almost all of the “this is fine, don’t worry, be happy, keep calm and carry on” replies disappear.

Intelligent people are watching this closely simply because the chances of major disruptions and death are much higher than idiots like her want to admit.

Stupid bitch probably trusts the government of China to be truthful.

CUNT!

by Anonymousreply 310February 5, 2020 3:43 AM

R308, and Thailand has 25 cases and 0 deaths. Singapore has 24 cases and 0 deaths. Japan has 22 cases and 0 deaths.

R310, fuck you again. I never said "this is fine, don't worry" I said it could be bad, especially if the death rate as high as SARS or MERS, but right now it doesn't look like it is.

So again, fuck you and your bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 311February 5, 2020 3:45 AM

[quote]The Centers of Disease Control and Prevention

NYP needs to get a proofreader.

by Anonymousreply 312February 5, 2020 3:47 AM

[quote] He should send it with 100% genuine Chenal bag or Guchi belt.

Your spelling makes this extra funny.

by Anonymousreply 313February 5, 2020 3:52 AM

Did they quarantine millions during Sars? I read reports that over 50 million people are being quarantined. It must be fucking bad... and why the fuck hasn't NYC reported the results of that woman yet? It's been fucking days!

by Anonymousreply 314February 5, 2020 4:18 AM

R311 One of the cases in Thailand is a 70 year old taxi driver who caught it from an unknown personal. The poor fellow also happens to have TB. I hope he manages to pull through.

by Anonymousreply 315February 5, 2020 4:18 AM

1st NYC case negative

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by Anonymousreply 316February 5, 2020 5:41 AM

What a time to be alive!

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by Anonymousreply 317February 5, 2020 9:12 AM

R317, pandemics have been far more frequent than that. 36 million people have died from AIDS since it came on the scene. More than 3 million people died of it during its peak year--2004.

The Hong Kong Flu back in 1968 killed 1 million people, including 15 percent of the population of Hong Kong.

by Anonymousreply 318February 5, 2020 9:41 AM

[quote]Did they quarantine millions during Sars? I read reports that over 50 million people are being quarantined.

As badly as the Chinese have handled the coronavirus, they managed the SARS epidemic even worse. So they learned at least a little.

by Anonymousreply 319February 5, 2020 12:05 PM

The Guardian:

Thousands of crew and passengers onboard a cruise ship in Japan are being held in quarantine for at least two weeks after 10 people tested positive for the virus. Hundreds more people have been tested and results are awaited.

Passengers and crew on another cruise ship, the World Dream, are also being quarantined in Hong Kong after 30 crew members showed symptoms of coronavirus, including fever.

Cathay Pacific has asked its 27,000 employees to take three weeks of unpaid leave in the next few months as Hong Kong’s flagship carrier reels from coronavirus outbreak.

Thousands of medical staff in Hong Kong have gone on strike in a bid to get the government to completely seal the border with mainland China.

Stock markets have staged a rapid reversal overnight, after reports of an effective treatment for coronavirus. The reports remain unconfirmed.

by Anonymousreply 320February 5, 2020 12:14 PM

If China can’t even get masks, how are they going to get enough of the medication?

by Anonymousreply 321February 5, 2020 12:20 PM

A peek inside a newly converted hospital in Wuhan (translation in comments.)

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by Anonymousreply 322February 5, 2020 1:25 PM

**Disturbing**

Fangbing's trip to the emergency room. Filmed between Feb. 1-3.

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by Anonymousreply 323February 5, 2020 1:30 PM

Of course, this will, in no way, have a negative impact on our trade agreement with China. Just keep bringing in the goods!

In the meantime, Hyundai has suspended operations at their Chinese factory.

by Anonymousreply 324February 5, 2020 1:36 PM

The Husband/Wife duo being treated in California are about to check out, and I don't mean from the hospital.

Their "condition" is in a "sudden, rapid decline."

by Anonymousreply 325February 5, 2020 1:42 PM

Bodies piled up in a waiting room at (reportedly) People's Hospital No. 5 in Wuhan.

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by Anonymousreply 326February 5, 2020 1:57 PM

Death toll 494, infects 24000 +

WHO: No known effective treatment

researchers recommend Arbedol and Darunavir (inhibited virus in the lab)

by Anonymousreply 327February 5, 2020 2:05 PM

Revised Drug Protocol:

Alpha-interferon (inhalation

Lopinavir, Ritonaivir (2 pills twice a day)

Ribavirin (optional)

info via CNBC.

by Anonymousreply 328February 5, 2020 2:06 PM

2 more flights carrying evacuees from Wuhan landed in USA (west coast) to undergo 2 wk quarantine.

by Anonymousreply 329February 5, 2020 2:16 PM

A Chinese baby has been diagnosed with coronavirus just 30 hours after a woman who had tested positive for the deadly disease gave birth in the epicenter city of Wuhan, according to state media.

Doctors at the Wuhan Children’s Hospital on Wednesday cited the case as evidence that pregnant women infected with the virus may be able to pass it to their unborn children, according to state broadcaster CCTV.

Experts quoted by CCTV said the infected baby may be a case of “vertical transmission,” referring to infections passed from mother to child during pregnancy, childbirth or right after.

The newborn, whose vital signs were stable, has no fever or cough, but was experiencing shortness of breath, the doctors said. Chest X-rays showed signs of infection along with some abnormalities in liver functions.

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by Anonymousreply 330February 5, 2020 2:25 PM

They (the government(s) and business elites) are lying about the severity and threat because they're afraid of market collapse. It's as simple as that. They'll continue to pretend the threat isn't real and serious until they can't anymore, in the mean time, people who have figured this out are hustling to get their shit in order before it dawns on everyone that this virus marks the beginning of a new and probably pretty terrible new era.

by Anonymousreply 331February 5, 2020 2:29 PM

Ugh, that poor newborn.

by Anonymousreply 332February 5, 2020 2:50 PM

[quote] R251: I kind of hope this takes out a lot of boomers over 65 or so. It could mean real renewal for younger generations.

Some of those boomers have the wisdom that comes from experience, and which young people don’t have.

by Anonymousreply 333February 5, 2020 3:02 PM

guess this stopped the protesting in Hong Kong

by Anonymousreply 334February 5, 2020 3:12 PM

The real death toll was allegedly leaked at 24,589

DL won’t let me link to the report from Taiwan.

by Anonymousreply 335February 5, 2020 3:42 PM

Bill and Melinda Gates donate $100 million to coronavirus vaccine research via forbes.

by Anonymousreply 336February 5, 2020 4:18 PM

$100 million? That's more worrisome than anything I have heard to date.

by Anonymousreply 337February 5, 2020 4:57 PM

People forget that seasonal flu does kill, especially those who are medically fragile or have chronic health conditions. It just may end up happening that this strain of Coronavirus will join the others, and declare itself seasonally like the flu viruses. I think there’s been a lot of doomsday predictions and scaremongering that’s not based in science or clinical evidence we have so far. 2% fatality rate is quite low, and the period of incubation is around 2 weeks with those who are the sickest and most likely to die taking turn for worst peaking around 2-week mark.

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by Anonymousreply 338February 5, 2020 5:01 PM

R337, $100million divide by $110billion is 0.09% !!! That would be the equivalent of someone worth $1m donating $900...

by Anonymousreply 339February 5, 2020 5:05 PM

I wonder how long it will be before we find out whether this is truly going spread around the world or be primarily confined to China. How long has it been since they identified the first case in China? Is the epidemic waning there or still growing? I’m planning a trip to Spain next month (from FL). Any reason I should cancel that?

by Anonymousreply 340February 5, 2020 5:06 PM

The airlines could use fresh rather than recycled air. It costs more. They could change the HEPA filters and clean planes thoroughly. Costs more. They could permit flight changes for sick people. Cuts into profits. We are a very sick and suicidal society.

by Anonymousreply 341February 5, 2020 5:12 PM

At this point, I would settle for less livestock in the cabin, R341.

by Anonymousreply 342February 5, 2020 5:13 PM

R283 & others commenting on Uber/Mexico City case: The positive note about these apps and services is that enables thorough contact tracing to be carried out very easily. Much less of a concern than random taxis, shuttles, buses, etc.

Many subways utilise fare cards which are capable of tracing riders through RFID, and computer sustems, so perhaps many subway systems shall make it easy to identify at-risk riders.

R282 Yes, that's the worry. How long should they be remaining in home confinement is the question.

These two cruise ships currently put many of these concerns here on display for the world to watch. Ten aboard the Japanese ship Diamond Princess are now confirmed positive after the infected elderly man was taken into isolation. Thirty of the crew are sick aboard the HK liner. I believe three who disembarked days ago have now tested positive. I'm not sure if any of those who remain onboard have been confirmed yet.

by Anonymousreply 343February 5, 2020 5:42 PM

The scary thing is, those crew members probably caught it from the passenger, so that means their jobs put them in contact with passengers. One sick crew member or his fomites could come in contact with hundreds of passengers.

by Anonymousreply 344February 5, 2020 5:49 PM

I just saw the new article about how the real numbers have leaked - something like 150k infected in wuhan and over 25k deaths. For some reason I can’t link the article

by Anonymousreply 345February 5, 2020 6:00 PM

Article

by Anonymousreply 346February 5, 2020 6:02 PM

One note of correction regarding Hyundai: they have now ceased production in Korea as well, not only a China plant. This is due to over reliance on "Chinesium" in their supply chain. Despite many economists and investment gurus saying the economic impact is too early to call, I suspect we shall see many other large manufacturing giants curtailing or ceasing production for supply chain problems.

by Anonymousreply 347February 5, 2020 6:04 PM

DL rejected my link too, R346

by Anonymousreply 348February 5, 2020 6:06 PM

Is that a reputable source at R346?

by Anonymousreply 349February 5, 2020 6:09 PM

R349 After copy+ paste into my browser, it came as an incomplete address....

by Anonymousreply 350February 5, 2020 6:12 PM

Their website looks like any normal paper, with lottery stories and meetings with Senators in DC.

It appears to be legit.

Taiwan has a VERY contentious relationship with the Mainland, so keep that in mind as well.

by Anonymousreply 351February 5, 2020 6:14 PM

Put the main address in and it goes directly to their front page and the article in question is the top story.

Taiwan news.com.tw

by Anonymousreply 352February 5, 2020 6:16 PM

If there is one thing to remember about the Mainland Chinese government it's that they are liars. l absolutely believe the data Tencent leaked to the Taiwanese paper. The Chinese government is at once trying to save face and avoid panic and market collapse.

by Anonymousreply 353February 5, 2020 6:18 PM

News Australia has picked it up.

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by Anonymousreply 354February 5, 2020 6:29 PM

R340 unless your hotel/flight was non refundable we should know if this will be worse in the next two weeks. If your trip is non refundable maybe look into trip insurance but look at the fine print to see what kind of issues are valid for cancelling the trip/getting reimbursed. Squaremouth.com is a good comparison shopping source for trip insurance.

by Anonymousreply 355February 5, 2020 6:36 PM

I'm inclined to believe in a much higher number than the official ones, but I don't think they would have let such a slip up happen, much less 3 times in a row. Whoever was responsible for the first mistake wouldn't have had the opportunity to make a second one.

by Anonymousreply 356February 5, 2020 6:38 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 357February 5, 2020 6:40 PM

Cheers R352. There are many informative articles there. The one stating the virus can survive outside the body for five days is chilling. I'm assuming from fomites. The news briefs in NYC were claiming it cannot survive that long. They claimed a couple hours at best under perfect conditions of moisture and temp. I continue to see reports which contain inaccuracies.

It may be best to characterise these as "incomplete" as they leave open the real possibility of viewers to arrive at inaccurate conclusions. The NYC press briefing mentioned one couldn't contract it from surfaces. This is a prime illustration of my point. No this virus cannot penetrate healthy skin, however rubbing one's eyes, nose, or even touching his face could result in infection.

A similar example someone mentioned elsewhere was, one could transfer virus fomites to clothing such as trousers, then later on at home transfer virus to mucous membranes. All this could theoretically happen, after he had washed his hands upon returning home, only to pick it up again whilst undressing, and then touching his face.

by Anonymousreply 358February 5, 2020 6:58 PM

R356 I disagree. They are saying it was a coding issue. I also don’t believe they would be barricading people in their homes, putting up roadblocks on roads out of wuhan, spraying the city with who knows what, cancelling flights to China, all over a few hundred deaths. Especially given chinas population. Those numbers indicate a 17 percent death rate. They also show only a few hundred cured of the virus out of 150k infected.

by Anonymousreply 359February 5, 2020 6:59 PM

[quote]I'm inclined to believe in a much higher number than the official ones, but I don't think they would have let such a slip up happen, much less 3 times in a row.

Then you've never witnessed the widespread and systematic ineptitude that exists in China. I've lived there and have been traveling there regularly for 10 years. It's a wonder the country even exists at all, given the abysmal state of affairs on every level.

by Anonymousreply 360February 5, 2020 6:59 PM

[quote]they would be barricading people in their homes, putting up roadblocks on roads out of wuhan, spraying the city with who knows what, cancelling flights to China, all over a few hundred deaths. Especially given chinas population. Those numbers indicate a 17 percent death rate. They also show only a few hundred cured of the virus out of 150k infected.

[bold]Exactly[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 361February 5, 2020 7:02 PM

[quite]A similar example someone mentioned elsewhere was, one could transfer virus fomites to clothing such as trousers

You may want to look up the definition of “fomite.”

by Anonymousreply 362February 5, 2020 7:20 PM

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by Anonymousreply 363February 5, 2020 7:35 PM

R359 R360 You might be right I have no idea how things work over there. It just seemed incredible to make such a blunder when you're going for a massive cover up. But I have no trouble believing those numbers.

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by Anonymousreply 365February 5, 2020 7:40 PM

2 more people in NYC being tested for the virus.

Two New Possible Cases of Coronavirus in NYC Under Investigation

Test results for the first patient under investigation for coronavirus at a New York City hospital have come back negative, the Health Department said, as a fourth and fifth person came under investigation for possible infection.

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by Anonymousreply 366February 5, 2020 7:50 PM

I was in midtown manhattan today and I saw a white guy wearing a mask. It was black in color.

by Anonymousreply 367February 5, 2020 7:51 PM

Looks legit from what I can see. Here’s the article from R346:

Tencent may have accidentally leaked real data on Wuhan virus deaths

Tencent briefly lists 154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths from Wuhan coronavirus

By Keoni Everington, Taiwan News, Staff Writer 2020/02/05 18:59

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — As many experts question the veracity of China's statistics for the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, Tencent over the weekend seems to have inadvertently released what is potentially the actual number of infections and deaths, which were astronomically higher than official figures.

On late Saturday evening (Feb. 1), Tencent, on its webpage titled "Epidemic Situation Tracker", showed confirmed cases of novel coronavirus (2019nCoV) in China as standing at 154,023, 10 times the official figure at the time. It listed the number of suspected cases as 79,808, four times the official figure.

The number of cured cases was only 269, well below the official number that day of 300. Most ominously, the death toll listed was 24,589, vastly higher than the 300 officially listed that day.

Moments later, Tencent updated the numbers to reflect the government's "official" numbers that day. Netizens noticed that Tencent has on at least three occasions posted extremely high numbers, only to quickly lower them to government-approved statistics.

Netizens also noticed that each time the screen with the large numbers appears, it shows a comparison with the previous day's data which demonstrates a "reasonable" incremental increase, much like comparisons of official numbers. This has led some netizens to speculate that Tencent has two sets of data, the real data and "processed" data.

Some are speculating that a coding problem could be causing the real "internal" data to accidentally appear. Others believe that someone behind the scenes is trying to leak the real numbers.

However, the "internal" data held by Beijing may not reflect the true extent of the epidemic. According to multiple sources in Wuhan, many coronavirus patients are unable to receive treatment and die outside of hospitals.

A severe shortage of test kits also leads to a lower number of diagnosed cases of infection and death. In addition, there have been many reports of doctors being ordered to list other forms of death instead of coronavirus to keep the death toll artificially low.

(There’s some screenshots along with the story).

by Anonymousreply 368February 5, 2020 7:56 PM

Here’s another story from that same source.

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by Anonymousreply 369February 5, 2020 8:03 PM

More details from story at R369

...The dissident organization Himalaya Global released a video which was apparently secretly filmed by a Chinese contractor inside the new facility. The video starts with the contractor introducing the Spartan interior of Ward 1.

The man starts out by ominously saying, "Once you are in, you can't get out." He then asserts that patients would be better off staying at home than checking into the new compound.

The camera then focuses on the tiny windows that he said would be used to serve food to patients. In the background, another man can be heard saying that "the dead will be removed from that door."

Incredibly, it is clear that each room has a small window with distinct vertical prison bars. The contractor says that those who do not recover "will be sent to the crematorium."

Next, the man shows the interior of one of the rooms and points out that the food window can be opened from inside. However, he says that there is no way for the patients to escape because the only door to the room has a lock on the exterior and can only be opened from the outside.

Netizens were shocked at the facility's strong resemblance to a prison, with many speculating that it was made from prefabricated components for the internment camps in Xinjiang.

"I knew it. It's not so much a hospital as a "medical" internment camp."

by Anonymousreply 370February 5, 2020 8:05 PM

I believe the 100x figure quoted above, Hubei has several large cities near Wuhan which are probably in similar shape.

The two pro-democracy activists who have been posting all of this footage from Wuhan hospitals online have said as much repeatedly- the majority of patients with suspected coronavirus aren't being diagnosed or treated at all. They're dying at home or sitting on a stool at a hospital waiting to see a doctor. Their deaths aren't being recorded as coronavirus fatalities and they never officially had coronavirus.

by Anonymousreply 371February 5, 2020 8:07 PM

Cancel the Olympics now !

Put your egos aside ...... Saving lives is far more important than winning a medal.

by Anonymousreply 372February 5, 2020 8:08 PM

More details from R369:

A hospital would have oxygen lines or even power outlets in the rooms. How are they planning to provide intubation to the hundreds of people with severe respiratory distress that should be there? That's a jail for sick people."

Lost in the fanfare over the new hospital are reports that testing kits are in short supply and patients are being turned away from other hospitals in Wuhan, according to the New York Times.

Here’s the link they’re using within the story. Last updated Feb4.

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by Anonymousreply 373February 5, 2020 8:08 PM

We are in real big fucking trouble, Gurls !

Never fear, Donald Trump will find the cure !

by Anonymousreply 374February 5, 2020 8:10 PM

I think what they’re saying at R369 is that there was never any intention of trying to cure those people. Just lock them up so they can’t kill anybody else.

They must be completely without the ability to fight it, and made it 1000x worse by not letting WHO in there until it was too late.

by Anonymousreply 375February 5, 2020 8:21 PM

I want to get this mask.

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by Anonymousreply 376February 5, 2020 8:25 PM

A nice place to be for 14 days!

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179 evacuees -- mostly made up of French nationals and their Chinese spouses -- flown back from China were settled into their new life in coronavirus quarantine. A holiday resort in the southeast of France that will be their home for the next two weeks.

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by Anonymousreply 377February 5, 2020 8:35 PM

R303: Ali Breland works for Mother Jones, and CNN and MSNBC. He might at one point have been an independent journalist, but he himself has built an agenda that is not unassailable.

I don't know what to tell you. I thought the video I posted was actually very good and provided, in my view, good reasons to extrapolate the data the CCP have provided into much higher estimates.

But if you have another algorithm that works better, I'd certainly be interested to read it!

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by Anonymousreply 378February 5, 2020 8:47 PM

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by Anonymousreply 379February 5, 2020 9:15 PM

R362 Thanks, I had meant to say transfer virus [italic] from [/italic] fomites.

by Anonymousreply 380February 5, 2020 9:22 PM

R362, I am not the person you are directing your comment to, but I looked up fomites and found "objects or materials which are likely to carry infection, ". So how is that person's use of the term inaccurate? Sounds spot on to me.

by Anonymousreply 381February 5, 2020 9:40 PM

Don't ever believe a word that comes out of official Chinese outlets, as others noted here. It is as foolish to do so as believing anything from Russia, the White House or the GOP.

by Anonymousreply 382February 5, 2020 9:47 PM

Does anyone know what might have changed that suddenly animals carrying coronaviruses (which have been around for centuries) are carrying and transmitting the virus which is so lethal and virulent? Has anyone seen any articles addressing that anywhere?

by Anonymousreply 383February 5, 2020 9:56 PM

As written, the fomite would have been the trousers. It's an inanimate object that has been contaminated and serves as a point of indirect transmission. Outside of a hospital setting, things like door handles, pens, elevator buttons, toothbrushes, clothing, etc.

by Anonymousreply 384February 5, 2020 10:02 PM

R383 I don’t think anything’s changed - I think this version of the virus got out of their lab in wuhan ... it’s like a created bio weapon virus... IMO.

by Anonymousreply 385February 5, 2020 10:06 PM

R385, my point. Those viruses have been around for centuries, in bat populations. Bats have been hunted and eaten all over the world, especially in the Wuhan region of China (south central Asia). More than 50 coronaviruses have been isolated from the regions bat population, and they have been sold and consumed all that time. So how are the scientists vehemently claiming the outbreak originated in the market making sense of that?

by Anonymousreply 386February 5, 2020 10:14 PM

R386 Some scientists and doctors like Dr. Gottlieb do not go with that narrative. In the video I had posted upthread, when interrupted by the lady who is a host on the programme, and she reiterated that, he smiled and paused, then proclaimed "We don't know that for certain". He then brought up the fact that the first infected cases (45 or 50) had no ties or connections to the market, and no discernible connections to other people with contact to the market. That is why I have respect for him and Dr. Poland. They also are able to provide the general public much more detail, when compared to others appearing on these cable network shows.

There have been several sentences in journals where the language chosen is very tentative: as in appears to, is believed to, etc. Though there most definitely is 96% similarity to Bat SARS, that doesn't necessarily mean it came from bats consumed from the Wuhan seafood market. Some scientists have posited the virus should not survive cooking, as in the high temperature used for the popular bat soup. I think some are going with this standard line, but others can still think for themselves.

by Anonymousreply 387February 5, 2020 10:33 PM

Spraying the streets.

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by Anonymousreply 388February 5, 2020 10:47 PM

Holy SHIT Bellevue looks different from the last time I saw it. Funny, I looked at the photo and said “That must be the outer boroughs....there’s no hospital that looks like that in Manhattan...then I recognized the VA behind it. The last t8 e I saw Bellevue it still had th3 “front yard” where all the posters had been for months after 9/11.

by Anonymousreply 389February 5, 2020 11:03 PM

The Taiwan angle for getting news from China's containment efforts is a good one. It has scoops into how China is coping with the virus containment. The UN bans Taiwan from WHO and makes it get information from China, so there's some spying on the part of Taiwan. A little background, China constantly threatens to invade Taiwan. China convinced the world including UN and WHO that Taiwan is a runaway province instead of an independent nation. But Taiwan has never been under the control of communist China since it was under Japanese rule from late 1800s to the 1940s, and prior to that it was barely under the Qing dynasty rule since the Empress regarded the island as ungovernable due to violent native aborigines and adventurous Fujian immigrants (southern China) who migrated there. Empress Cixi signed Taiwan away to Japan, and under Japan's rule it became the second nation in Asia to modernize in the early half of 1900s. After WW2 with the Japanese defeated, Taiwan was taken over by the anti-communist mainland Chinese including largely the intelligentsia class, wealthy, educated and cultured families, military generals fleeting the communists. But these mainlanders in turn ruled the Taiwanese under martial law until the 1980s when it finally democratized. That is why Taiwanese culture and society are so different from mainland China, it has elements of Japanese culture while retaining classical, high Chinese culture. Mainland China got stuck with millions of peasants because Mao purged the educated and cultured class. The is why today in China there is so much poor hygiene and crassness. Meanwhile Taiwan has a vibrant democracy, literacy rate of 98.5%, GDP nearly equivalent to that of Australia, universal health insurance, free press, and the most gay-friendly nation in Asia with legalized gay marriage.

A bit of lightheartedness from this outbreak. A bit of trolling of China by Taiwanese over fears that Chinese tourists there would be buying up all the face masks to send back home to China. They printed masks with Taiwanese flags so that mainland Chinese wouldn't be tempted to buy them unless they want to face the wrath of fellow Chinese citizens brainwashed into thinking Taiwan belongs to China.

by Anonymousreply 390February 6, 2020 12:31 AM

I don't remember who attacked this guy, but in this defense of his youtube channel, he makes great points. Frankly, I remember reading his 1993 Nature paper ---- it is a classic. He was in the Sheetz lab!

People, this guy is no kook.

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by Anonymousreply 391February 6, 2020 12:52 AM

r386/r387: it's mostly bat SARS but jumped over to humans at the Wuhan market via another animal vector, most likely a pangolin from what some researchers can tell. Whether that was from handling or being eaten as an exotic food source, wasn't made clear.

by Anonymousreply 392February 6, 2020 1:23 AM

Pangolins are rare and headed for extinction. I’m not trying to be mean but that’s karma.

by Anonymousreply 393February 6, 2020 1:27 AM

The foreign national Chinese woman hospitalized at Bellevue has tested negative.

For years in NYC, I've frequently seen Asian ppl wearing face masks. They do it as a courtesy not to spreadgerms if they have the flu ora cold.

Due to the threat of corona virus, I paid $10 bucks for ONE mask at my drugstore. It was the last one they had.

The experts say that the masks don't help you from catching the virus and that you need to protect your eyes and ears foremost.

So, I was thinking, "How do I wear the mask, goggles, and a hat without looking like a nutcase?

The attack of a woman wearing a mask on on the subway makes me wonder if I should just skip the whole thing. Who wants to be attacked as a "diseased whore" when you are just trying to protect yourself from the virus?!

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by Anonymousreply 394February 6, 2020 2:23 AM

How can masks prevent someone from transmitting the disease but not protect someone from getting it. Are the masks one way or something?

by Anonymousreply 395February 6, 2020 2:56 AM

You can get the virus from exposure to your eyes or ears in the case of this virus. If someone coughs at you and sprays your eyes, you can get it.

But if you’re sneezing or coughing, it’s only coming out of your mouth. Cover your mouth and you’re protecting the public.

by Anonymousreply 396February 6, 2020 3:12 AM

R395 I don't really get it, but from what I've read, the experts say that the masks prevent the spray of the virus coming out of the mouth and nose of an infected oerson but not the other way around. I read that you needed a N95 ask, so that is what Ibought.

Then, later that night I read that the mask I bought doesn't trap the tiny viral molecules of corona virus. My mask traps mold.

WTF?!

And then I read that you can only wear the masks only once or your own germs screw up the whole thing.

Fuck it!

by Anonymousreply 397February 6, 2020 3:43 AM

typo: person

by Anonymousreply 398February 6, 2020 3:44 AM

another typo: mask

sorry but I'm stressed out!

by Anonymousreply 399February 6, 2020 3:45 AM

If the story from Tencent at R368 is correct:

Feb. 1: Tencent showed confirmed cases of novel coronavirus (2019nCoV) in China as standing at 154,023, 10 times the official figure at the time.

It listed the number of suspected cases as 79,808, four times the official figure.

That would explain why they’re spraying disinfectant in the streets. Spraying is an extremely desperate move, must be to address fomites. But how effective is it, and what are they spraying? We may never know.

A lot of times you read stuff like, “the deaths are only people with pre-existing conditions or old people,” and that’s supposed to comfort people. But it’s propaganda designed to comfort you. How many people have pre-existing conditions, are old or a small child or baby? That could be millions. That’s going to leave a mark on society.

Think about what happened after the Civil War and WWII. 2 percent of men died in the Civil War. 3% worldwide in WWII. That doesn’t sound like much. A lot of women never married and had families. A lot of widows raising kids alone.

Same with AIDS. About 675,000 died in the U.S. between the outbreak of AIDS and 2016. Society as a whole can absorb a loss of that size. But a lot of people that died were the best and brightest, and it damaged society because we lost their talents. Who knows what they’d be doing by now. They’d be the masters of their fields by now, experts training the next generation, and we lost that forever. Maybe running for President by now.

It doesn’t need to kill every last person to make a big dent on normal life, finding mates, having living grandparents. That affects people for a generation to come or more. And what about a large loss of doctors and nurses? You can’t just produce more in a day. That loss could affect China for years.

People aren’t thinking yet about the long term consequences.

by Anonymousreply 400February 6, 2020 4:03 AM

yes, if someone coughs...the droplets can spread pretty far...

The bus driver from Japan merely drove Tourists from Wuhan and he got it.

by Anonymousreply 401February 6, 2020 4:06 AM

Whilst one should take the figures coming out of China (mainly Wuhan) with a grain of salt it is the figures and spread of the virus around the rest of the world that one also needs to pay close attention to.

Nearly 200 people diagnosed and two deaths. One was in his late 30's the other in his early 40s. Both with 'exisiting medical conditions'. What happens in the next two to three weeks around the world as well as other areas of China will be the most telling. Also, in that time more will be known about the virus. Lots of conflicting information on the internet and in the media and a degree of scaremongering whose fears will hopefully not turn into our collective reality.

by Anonymousreply 402February 6, 2020 4:10 AM

[quote] R341: The airlines could use fresh rather than recycled air. It costs more...

Part of the problem is that customers have voted with their feet, to choose less expensive fares and fewer services, less comfort, and fees for “extras”.

by Anonymousreply 403February 6, 2020 4:13 AM

R58

Fuck No the Bay Bridge took over 20 years to finish! 89 earthquake, and new bay bridge completed in 2012 of 2013

by Anonymousreply 404February 6, 2020 5:08 AM

Sounds like a German death camp.

Cruise ships are a much better solution. I imagine cruises are a hot item on many bucket lists.

by Anonymousreply 405February 6, 2020 5:49 AM

A 28 year old doctor in China has died from the virus. He had a cardiac arrest and its suspected that he was vulnerable due to huge number of days and hours he has been working.

by Anonymousreply 406February 6, 2020 5:56 AM

R391

Despite his impeccable scientific credentials, Wikipedia removed his page today.

I think they are becoming desperate. If the death toll of 25,000 is accurate, china will be isolated from the rest of the world for 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 407February 6, 2020 7:26 AM

This is not reassuring--this guy's saying, and he's an epidemiologist at Imperial College London, that he thinks only about 10 percent of the cases are being reported in China.

The whole thing is both really nerdy and terrifying

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by Anonymousreply 408February 6, 2020 9:42 AM

Very interesting interview R408.

by Anonymousreply 409February 6, 2020 10:42 AM

What’s worrying me is the strange absence of any cases from Africa. It must be all over, with the connections between the continent and China. Once it takes hold there...totally un equipped to cope with something like this.

by Anonymousreply 410February 6, 2020 11:59 AM

The Guardian:

All UK hospitals have been told to prepare secure coronavirus zones to ensure “avoid a surge in emergency departments”, a leaked NHS letter has shown.

The letter, dated 31 January, told hospitals to set up “coronavirus priority assessment pods”, which can be decontaminated after each use.

All chief executives and medical directors are instructed to have the pods up and running by Friday 7 February.

This, as a third coronavirus case in the UK has been confirmed.

by Anonymousreply 411February 6, 2020 12:49 PM

I guess this is a case of watch what they do and not what they say.

China; nothing to see here, move along. Reality: complete chaos, spraying the streets, doctors dropping dead of exhaustion, people walling carriers up in their house alive, leaving a disabled person to die because nobody wants to go feed him. Nope, not a big deal here.

Australia: move recent China travelers to an island away from the mainland.

America: have travelers from China refuel in a never used empty hanger in Alaska. Then move them to a military base, where they announce to the press that they *want* to stay for two weeks and not the originally planned three days.

Cruise ships: lock thousands of passengers up for weeks with sick people like a floating Ieper colony.

Nope, nothing to see here, sounds like every other flu virus ever!

by Anonymousreply 412February 6, 2020 1:03 PM

R391 I agree what has recently happened to him, through this smear campaign is terrible. There exists propaganda in the West as well, though less well coordinated than in Communist countries.

This doesn't strike me as odd or surprising really, as many with PhDs and graduate level degrees in sciences are declared "not scientists" unless they hold esteemed positions within the establishment, and tow the "party line". This has happened several times with climate change deniers, who like to question a learned man's ability to read graphs, process data, and utilise critical thinking skills to arrive at a working hypothesis. Someone had referenced this in the comments following his video, and it's the best illustration of a well known tactic.

I think the desire, and intention to calm the public is good, but not at the expense of truthfulness. Anyone, regardless of their degrees, or institutional affiliation simply repeating CCP figures, and trying to arrive at a CFR, an RO, or even simply a real percentage of infected are immediately struck off my list of trusted sources. If the reasons for this still are not clear, may I suggest to anyone in disagreement to scroll back upthread and cautiously re-read R353 's post. Then we couple this with the patients not seen in hospital, those patients who die without diagnoses, and the way cause of death in Chinese tradition isn't attributed to initial cause of illness or infection, but rather pre-existing conditions, complications, or sequelae.

by Anonymousreply 413February 6, 2020 1:33 PM

Bug Boat Update: Twenty aboard The Diamond Princess are now confirmed as infected. They still have so many to test. Most have no symptoms. They were selected as the ones to test first, because they're either in close physical proximity, or they're family and friends.

by Anonymousreply 414February 6, 2020 1:53 PM

Correction. R114 should have signed off as R113

by Anonymousreply 415February 6, 2020 1:58 PM

I'm going to Central America next week. Among other things, I'm delivering medical supplies and I'm afraid of being quarantined. What if everyone in the world was stuck wherever they were one day. You'd have white tourists from Mexico banging on that wall, I'm an American! People will say, "Oh well, you shouldn't have left America, too bad, we get your stuff!"

I'm joking, but quarantine is no joke, anyone on your boat/bus/plane/train could cause it? That is fucked up. What if you were trapped with ugly people. That would be so upsetting.

And the drone thing makes me want to hurry up and die before I have to live in a world where a Cablevision drone chases me down the street and tells me to pay my bill.

by Anonymousreply 416February 6, 2020 2:22 PM

[quote]And the drone thing makes me want to hurry up and die before I have to live in a world where a Cablevision drone chases me down the street and tells me to pay my bill.

Your Cablevision doesn't have that feature yet r416?

by Anonymousreply 417February 6, 2020 2:26 PM

I said in another thread, over a week ago, that I felt the virus had come from their new bio lab. I was chastised. I also said yesterday that the protests had stopped in Hong Kong. I wonder if it had been a test to see if they could use the virus to stop the protests but it got out of hand and here we are.

by Anonymousreply 418February 6, 2020 2:27 PM

The third person to be diagnosed with coronavirus in the UK contracted the disease outside of China, it has emerged.

The patient, who it is understood was diagnosed in Brighton but is being transferred to a London hospital, did not contract the disease in the UK or mainland China but another country in Asia.

NHS doctors are now being advised to widen the pool of countries to look out for individuals returning who display symptoms.

by Anonymousreply 419February 6, 2020 2:36 PM

CNN:

Li Wenliang, the Chinese whistleblower doctor who warned the public of a potential "SARS-like" disease in December 2019, had died of coronavirus in Wuhan on Thursday night, according to several state media reports.

by Anonymousreply 420February 6, 2020 2:56 PM

I just got a breaking news alert than one of the eight doctors that tried to warn the world, and was then put in prison, has died of the virus.

Think out how stupid that is. They locked up eight doctors in the middle of a raging epidemic where medical personnel are collapsing from exhaustion, because they told the truth that came out anyway. And now they’re probably not getting any healthcare because they’re being punished. At best, maybe they’re letting them treat prisoners. Probably with no meds or equipment because nobody else has any either.

This morning I saw a tweet about somebody in the hospital who sent the message, there’s no medicine, no toilets (?) and stay away from hospitals.

How can that possibly be “just another virus”?

by Anonymousreply 421February 6, 2020 3:04 PM

Hot Doctor Mike still says don't panic, be alert but not anxious.

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by Anonymousreply 422February 6, 2020 3:05 PM

I read yesterday that one of the heads of China reprimanded the Wuhan police and said if they had listened to the Dr.'s instead of punishing them they wouldn't be where they are. More heads will roll.

by Anonymousreply 423February 6, 2020 3:10 PM

Good. And the first head that should roll is the Chinese President, who must have okayed all these idiotic political decisions that have now probably killed thousands of people. If this was Japan, he’d be apologizing all over the place by now and probably resigning.

The Nazis killed a lot of disabled people and then wrote “died of pneumonia” on their death certificates, to cover up a large number of abnormal deaths. Not that these people are Nazis, but there is a historical precedent for calling people who died of something else “pneumonia victims,” because it’s more politically correct. AIDS victims “died of pneumonia” too.

by Anonymousreply 424February 6, 2020 3:18 PM

China is full of backwardness.

by Anonymousreply 425February 6, 2020 3:28 PM

Whatever happens, it'll be interesting to see if China's grand Potemkin village survives, or if the curtain will be ripped back to reveal the true depths of the CCP's depravity.

I'm kind of hoping for footage, a la Qaddafi, of Xi and his cadre of gangster devotees being hounded through the streets and then summarily hung before a screaming mob.

by Anonymousreply 426February 6, 2020 3:30 PM

[quote] If the death toll of 25,000 is accurate, china will be isolated from the rest of the world for 20 years.

It’s nowhere near 25,000 you loon.

It’s @500.

by Anonymousreply 427February 6, 2020 3:31 PM

^^^^^

Worldwide

by Anonymousreply 428February 6, 2020 3:32 PM

R426, I think we already have a pretty good idea how depraved China is. There are at least million people, that we know of, being held in concentration camps in Western China.

by Anonymousreply 429February 6, 2020 3:34 PM

omg, he was only 34!!!

“We’re deeply saddened by the passing of Dr. Li Wenliang,” the World Health Organization said on Twitter. "We all need to celebrate work that he did on #2019nCoV,” it added, using the medical term for the disease.

Li’s pregnant wife is believed to also have contracted the disease, according to reports.

The 34-year-old ophthalmologist at Wuhan Central Hospital sent out a warning in a messaging app WeChat on Dec. 30, warning fellow medical school grads to wear protective clothing to avoid infection after several patients from a seafood market exhibited symptoms similar to SARS.

He was one of eight whistleblowers who tried to sound the alarm about the novel virus but was denounced by authorities for “rumor-mongering.”

He was summoned to the Public Security Bureau to sign a letter in which he was accused of making “false comments” that had “severely disturbed the social order.”

Local authorities later apologized to the stricken physician, who described on the Weibo site how he began coughing on Jan. 10. He said he developed a fever the next day, was hospitalized two days later and was diagnosed on Jan. 30.

by Anonymousreply 430February 6, 2020 3:37 PM

Hong Kong is facing a toilet paper shortage as Chinese factories struggle to meet demand amid the coronavirus outbreak, according to a report.

Shoppers were photographed waking past bare supermarket shelves usually stocked with toilet paper.

The cause of the shortage is unclear, but unconfirmed reports on social media suggested that it stemmed from production holdups at supply chains in mainland China, according to Bloomberg.

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by Anonymousreply 431February 6, 2020 3:38 PM

What will also be interesting is if the US also begins to have shortages - everything we buy comes from China - and if the citizens are sick they clearly cannot work

by Anonymousreply 432February 6, 2020 3:43 PM

I'd be fine with that. We can find other sources for products, and maybe we'd get these multinationals to finally move their operations out of China.

by Anonymousreply 433February 6, 2020 4:02 PM

r432 makes a major point: even if the West (North America) manages to escape a major outbreak of the virus, and keeps it contained, there will still be major economic ramifications from the fallout in China. So much is manufactured and imported from that country and that region; if those societies slow or shut down, the chain reaction here will be acutely painful.

I can only imagine what would be impacted: auto imports (whole autos and parts); phones; computers and tech hardware; furniture; clothing; toys; chemicals; steel or other building materials; heavy equipment; even some food stuffs.

What else?

by Anonymousreply 434February 6, 2020 4:21 PM

They must be overwhelmed. They wait days to see a doctor, many die by that time and they just cremate them and they probably don't even know the cause of death, just put whatever they want...

by Anonymousreply 435February 6, 2020 4:22 PM

R427, scientific experts of all kinds think the Chinese are vastly underreporting.

Why do you think WHO wants to get in there so badly, and why do you think the Chinese are resisting so hard? Even if they do get in, we all know they’ll be shown some perfect, clean hospital, while in the real hospital, corpses are piling up in the halls in front of patients. The stories coming out of there are like Victorian charnel houses, or Bedlam.

by Anonymousreply 436February 6, 2020 4:32 PM

Shame that BD Wong is now too old to play Dr. Li. I guess Henry Golding will have to do.

by Anonymousreply 437February 6, 2020 4:33 PM

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by Anonymousreply 438February 6, 2020 4:34 PM

Wasn't it already announced that western medical teams were going to be allowed in Wuhan?

by Anonymousreply 439February 6, 2020 4:37 PM

Fresh air podcast covered this today. I was not comforted. The scientist specialist said you may not need to wear a mask but those of us in the US need to be concerned especially since Trump gutted CDC funding. We are far less prepared than we gave been. It was an interesting discussion about virus evolvement / transmission between species.

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by Anonymousreply 440February 6, 2020 4:39 PM

R434, anything made out of plastics, like trash cans, dish drains and plastic utensils, housewares like lamps and furniture, medication, both over the counter and prescription. Paper items like paper plates. Dishwater, pots and pans, office supplies, etc. Construction tools, ladders, screwdrivers, probably even paint. Tile.

Go around your house and look at the labels. TV, DVR, cable box, phone, computer, charging cords, you name it. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if a lot of products like dish soap, shampoo and detergent are made in China. Maybe even items like makeup for the less expensive brands. Socks, underwear, outer clothing. Combs, toothbrushes. And then there’s items shipped to China for packaging and then shipped to retailers. A lot of higher end items do that.

Pretty much everything in your entire house is made in China and it’s very likely non-essential workers are being told to stay home. Even when this is over, there will be a backlog and new orders will be prioritized by government contracts and large commercial interests.

I sure hope Walmart is looking for products made in America right now or their shelves are going to be empty. Almost that entire store comes from China with very few exceptions.

I’d take a good look around the house if I were you. If you see items that will need replacing soon, go and buy it while it’s still in stock. Even made in America items will sell out if people can’t buy less expensive Chinese ones.

by Anonymousreply 441February 6, 2020 4:45 PM

Science article

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by Anonymousreply 442February 6, 2020 4:45 PM

It was, R439, but what do you think they’re going to be allowed to see?

Clean hospitals, patients saying the care is great. Doctors saying they have plenty of everything. This epidemic started because of a coverup. They won’t change.

by Anonymousreply 443February 6, 2020 4:48 PM

THis is going to fuck up supply chains terribly. While we wont run out of TP lots if other things will start disappearing from our shelves. And no US manufacturers won’t be picking up the slack anytime soon.

by Anonymousreply 444February 6, 2020 4:50 PM

R443, we'll see. I wouldn't think investigators would be fooled by that kind of obvious nonsense, but who knows. I've been trying to find out any more information, but so far nothing.

by Anonymousreply 445February 6, 2020 4:50 PM

R444 actually it may not be so bad - in the long run. Mexico and India also produce quite a bit. I’m sure they would be more than eager to pick up the slack.

by Anonymousreply 446February 6, 2020 4:53 PM

Walmart won’t have any shit to sell

by Anonymousreply 447February 6, 2020 4:56 PM

It’s probably a good thing that we no longer rely on one country to produce basically 95 percent of goods for the entire world.

by Anonymousreply 448February 6, 2020 4:57 PM

R434, I also left out large appliances, like refrigerators, dishwashers, microwaves and stoves. And small appliances, like toasters, blenders, hairdryers, can openers. Shoes, clocks, all medical supplies and equipment. Probably the big stuff too like x ray machines and MRIs. DVDs, shopping bags.

One thing we should really be worried about is most food and drug containers are manufactured in China, and many foodstuffs produced elsewhere are shipped to China for packaging. Food containers like steel cans and plastic one-serving cups, TV dinner trays and other foodstuff containers, including fast food foam or cardboard containers, are made in China.

Can you sell aspirin without bottles? Or Coke? Or locally made potato salad? What about Domino’s pizza without pizza boxes? Or cartons of milk or juice?

So are shampoo and dish soap bottles, and almost any kind of bottle or jar that contains products, especially plastic. But also steel and glass.

The shortages may not only be of products, but of containers to ship the products in. Which could lead to spoilage and drastic shortages.

People knew years ago that buying Chinese steel was a national security risk. But they didn’t do anything to keep manufacturing going here, because greedy stockholders wanted bigger dividends.

by Anonymousreply 449February 6, 2020 5:01 PM

Well, not everyone in China is going to get sick and they do have 1.4 BILLION people.

by Anonymousreply 450February 6, 2020 5:05 PM

Well if #45 were smart, he'd utilize this to foment U.S. production of everything that we depend upon.

by Anonymousreply 451February 6, 2020 5:13 PM

Are your lives that empty & boring that you have nothing else to concern yourselves with except spreading nonsensical hysteria?

by Anonymousreply 452February 6, 2020 5:13 PM

R445, During WWII the Nazis let the Red Cross go to a concentration camp to visit, Theresienstadt, to show the “work camps” were humane. Everyone was well dressed, the kids were scrubbed and singing, there were even elaborate vignettes of children’s plays and musicians performing.

The Red Cross published that all was well. Even though the Jewish “mayor” of the camp was sporting a black eye from the beating he received the day before, to encourage him to say all was well.

And then the Nazis went back to deporting Jews and killing them.

Do you really think if some Chinese person on the tour tells the truth, they won’t be punished? People have already been locked up for telling the truth. Dissidents are hiding, moving from one hotel to another to get the word out online. Not for nothing. If it gets really bad, they’ll just shut down the internet.

Then nothing will come out of there.

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by Anonymousreply 453February 6, 2020 5:21 PM

R450, last we heard, 60 million were in quarantine. They’re not supposed to go outside unless they have to, and not without a mask. Drones follow people around, yelling at them to “run home” or “uncle, put on a mask.” Literally follow them to their door to make sure they go inside.

The whole billion don’t work in manufacturing. And my guess is anyone who can stay home is doing it.

by Anonymousreply 454February 6, 2020 5:29 PM

I'd hate to be on the quarantined cruise ship.

More dangerous than the maiden voyage of the Titanic.

by Anonymousreply 455February 6, 2020 5:33 PM

A three hour tour....🎵

by Anonymousreply 456February 6, 2020 5:41 PM

I sure hope Lovey brought a lot of extra clothing changes. That three hour tour is lasting a lot longer than expected.

by Anonymousreply 457February 6, 2020 6:05 PM

From New York Magazine :

For one Chinatown restaurant, "business has been gangbusters for the past year, and it’s dropped 40 percent in the past week" over coronavirus.

by Anonymousreply 458February 6, 2020 6:44 PM

via ABC news : Eerie drone footage shows the deserted streets of Wuhan, the city at the center of the coronavirus outbreak ------------- The air is so fucking disgusting...

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by Anonymousreply 459February 6, 2020 6:45 PM

You would think after nobody’s worked or driven for weeks, the air would get better.

That picture at R459 reminds me of Blade Runner.

by Anonymousreply 460February 6, 2020 7:17 PM

It's clear some of you absolutely thrive on catastrophic thinking. How disappointed you must be with life.

by Anonymousreply 461February 6, 2020 8:25 PM

It’s the WU WU WU 🎤 FLUUUUUUUUUU BOOGALOO!!

It’s the WU WU WU Coming for U 🎶

The WU WU WU..... FLUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuu 🎵

by Anonymousreply 462February 6, 2020 8:29 PM

Live and let live, R461.

by Anonymousreply 463February 6, 2020 8:34 PM

From Twitter:

BREAKING: The #Pentagon is preparing almost a dozen military installations around the country that could be used to house evacuees because of the #coronavirus. The bases, both reserve and active duty, are all located near major airports - including Atlanta, DFW, LA, SF, NY, etc.

by Anonymousreply 464February 6, 2020 10:24 PM

And this

The #2019nCoV diagnostic test kits will ship upon request to laboratories designed as qualified by CDC, including US state and local public health laboratories, Department of Defense laboratories, and select international laboratories.

by Anonymousreply 465February 6, 2020 10:25 PM

There is a third possible Bug Boat now being reported. A Holland American liner is being held in Yokohama, as someone aboard who had disembarked in HK is now believed to have virus. It is illogical to me why people would wish to cruise through Asia at this time. They were meant to dock in Shanghai next to allow passengers ashore. They had changed ports of call to Yokohama before realising there was a sick passenger aboard. Honk Kong and Shanghai in the midst of this? Really?

When air travel was suspended and travel bans or advisories went into effect, didn't someone smart think, blimey, what about cruise ships? (floating petri dishes that they are)

by Anonymousreply 466February 6, 2020 11:49 PM

People in China are complaining that wearing a mask makes it difficult to unlock their phones using faceID. This issue is becoming a social media pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 467February 7, 2020 12:24 AM

R461, find me someone who ISN'T disappointed by life. I never got the Anderson account at work.

by Anonymousreply 468February 7, 2020 12:45 AM

[quote]What else?

R434 Pharmaceuticals. Even if a particular drug is manufactured outside of China, there is a good chance components in the supply line come from China.

by Anonymousreply 469February 7, 2020 1:12 AM

R453, yes I'm well aware of the Red Cross visits to fake Nazi camps. But we're talking multiple large cities under quarantine, not a tiny model camp in the 1940s where the Nazis could stage things exactly as they wanted. There are so many people affected over such a large area I don't see how the Chinese would ever be able to pull off something like that. I'm sure the people going in are well aware of social media reports coming from the affected areas.

We're talking medical professionals in the modern age who are going expecting the Chinese to try to control what they see, not clueless tourists. As I said, we'll see what they report,

by Anonymousreply 470February 7, 2020 1:13 AM

I’m wondering if, when this is all over, if the coronavirus will have taken out any of the Chinese elite/Politburo members and/or their families. I think the population will require a blood sacrifice to keep from turning on the government.

by Anonymousreply 471February 7, 2020 1:43 AM

I just got a CNN alert about a steady rise in the death toll - 618. Let's hope those REAL numbers get out.

by Anonymousreply 472February 7, 2020 2:01 AM

I think Americans underestimate the extremity of the totalitarian control of the people by the government. People in China just cannot go against the government unless they want to be thrown in prison for very long sentences if not forever.

They just had a young doctor die because he hadn’t slept for ten days. Imagine the amount of meth that took. At a certain point your heart just can’t take it any more. And he had no choice. They literally ordered him to work himself to death. And threw away a badly needed doctor.

Nobody’s talking against the government if they want to live.

Wait until we see what happens. My bet is on WHO only being allowed to see very limited, idealized facilities that have been cleaned up, just like the Nazis did. All pretty and clean. That’s happened before in Communist countries, Russia is famous for doing that too. We in the U.S. think of China as being a trading partner more than anything else. We don’t think much of how looming and invasive their government is for their own people.

by Anonymousreply 473February 7, 2020 2:38 AM

Here’s a video where people are being removed to be sent to the new hospitals, which were built like prisons. The doors are locked and windows are barred. These people refused to go to these prison-like hospitals, because they know there’s no medical treatment available there. They’re just being locked in to die.

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by Anonymousreply 474February 7, 2020 2:58 AM

Tourism across the world will be taking the biggest hit from this. Most people will choose to stay in their own countries or only list neighbouring ones if its safe.

Also education (Universities, colleges, etc) are hit hard because of their reliance on Chinese students.

by Anonymousreply 475February 7, 2020 3:02 AM

Viruses know no politics or race, nor are they respecters of persons, R473. This virus is new on many levels, not least on what the world will look once it has run its course.

by Anonymousreply 476February 7, 2020 3:03 AM

Did the results come in yet for the people in NYC? TIA

by Anonymousreply 477February 7, 2020 3:32 AM

Who in their right mind is going on a cruise ship or even a plane at this point if they don’t have to? That’s how the Spanish flu spread, asymptomatic soldiers taking trains to go home for the holidays.

Traveling in an enclosed public conveyance is the worst thing you can do,

by Anonymousreply 478February 7, 2020 3:48 AM

Death toll is now 636.

I'm so disturbed by the case of the doctor who died. He was only 34! I don't care if he was tired or overworked...you don't die from flu at that age!

by Anonymousreply 479February 7, 2020 3:54 AM

From The Guardian. The virus has hit North Korea:

North Korea has reported its first case of the coronavirus, according to South Korean media.

The patient, a woman from Pyongyang, recently returned to the North from China, the Joongang Ilbo, a daily newspaper, said on Friday, citing state-run media.

The reports did not give details of when the woman was diagnosed or her state of health.

The country has taken several measures to guard against the disease - which has affected all of its neighbours - amid warnings that an epidemic could put an intolerable strain on its poor healthcare infrastructure.

North Korea has suspended flights from China and Russia and closed train routes across its borders with those two countries and. It has also imposed a ban on foreign tourism and suspended operations at a liaison office it runs with South Korea just north of the demilitarised zone, the heavily armed border separating North and South Korea.

The country’s authorities have stepped up border inspections and health screenings of North Koreans returning from overseas business trips, according to the Rodong Sinmun, the newspaper of the ruling Workers’ party.

The newspaper said 30,000 health workers had been mobilised to monitor residents and distribute advice on how the disease spreads and how to avoid becoming infected.

by Anonymousreply 480February 7, 2020 4:16 AM

Companies are already scrambling to relocate assembly lines and outsource production of new components for mini industries, but it will take at least a year for most of those alternatives to replace the necessary equipment at scale.

If you need 15 specialized components to make your vehicle operate, and those components are made in China, finding alternatives is going to be brutal. Look at Hyundai, and now Apple.

Supply chains worldwide are already being impacted.

Give this another month, when the death toll rises over 1 million.

Ordering at a fast food restaurant will soon be Chinese Roulette.

by Anonymousreply 481February 7, 2020 5:13 AM

Ten bucks the North Korean broad has been executed and cremated.

by Anonymousreply 482February 7, 2020 5:37 AM

Don't know if this has been mentioned here.

Confusion over Dr. Li's death derives from the fact that the Chinese Government didn't want to deal with the media fallout of his dying, so they ordered him put back on life support, so they could say he had NOT died. Then they took him back off life support and agree he is now dead. This reported today by the BBC.

I have heard stories about the insanity and ineptitude of the CCP, but nothing makes it clearer than this.

by Anonymousreply 483February 7, 2020 11:02 AM

What about all that "Made In China" junk coming into the country? Can that carry the virus?

(Asking for a friend)

by Anonymousreply 484February 7, 2020 11:24 AM

494 doesn’t a lot of our food come from China? Like the processed stuff. I think it does...

by Anonymousreply 485February 7, 2020 11:33 AM

Chinese scientists have identified pangolins as possible source, with 99% match between the pangolins strain and the actual strains. They are endangered and apparently the most heavily trafficked mammal, mainly for their scales that are used in "traditional Chinese medicine".

Now will they leave those poor little guys alone?

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by Anonymousreply 486February 7, 2020 11:38 AM

Chinese scientists have identified pangolins as possible source, with 99% match between the pangolins strain and the actual strains. They are endangered and apparently the most heavily trafficked mammal, mainly for their scales that are used in "traditional Chinese medicine".

Now will they leave those poor little guys alone?

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by Anonymousreply 487February 7, 2020 11:38 AM

VERY IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENT!

From The Guardian:

Singapore reports three more coronavius cases of unknown origin

Singapore is reporting three more coronavirus cases with no links to previous cases or travel history in China.

The country moved its disease outbreak response up a level to “orange” on Friday as the new cases emerged, according to the Straits Times. This means the outbreak is thought to have moderate to high public health impact.

Code orange is one step below red, the most severe category, and this is only the second time it has been activated since the coding system was set up after the Sars outbreak in 2003. It was previously activated for the swine flu outbreak in 2009.

The new cases include a 53-year-old man who visited Malaysia in January, a 42-year-old woman who is a teacher at Victoria junior college, and a 39-year-old woman who was also in Malaysia in January.

The cases were discovered because hospitals in Singapore had started testing all pneumonia patients for the virus, the health ministry said.

The total number of coronavirus cases in Singapore is now 33. Four of these are not connected to previous cases and have no travel connections to China.

The health minister, Gan Kim Yong, said at a press conference:

"We have been preparing for this scenario and we are ready to manage this situation. The key is quick detection and managing the local spread."

My comment: This is the most disturbing development so far from an international perspective. Outside of China all the people who have been diagnosed have either been in China, in close contact with someone from China or who had travelled to China, was in an occupation (like the taxi driver from Thailand) that would have came into contact with someone from China or had a family member of either of these scenarios.

These three cases are VERY scary. Haven't been to China, haven't had any known contact to anyone who has been to China.

If anymore cases like these come to light anywhere else outside of China in the next couple of weeks, prepare for almost all international flights across the globe to be cased indefinetly.

I expect first countries to do it are in no particular order: US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, PNG, Taiwan and all Central and South American Countries. Russia too.

by Anonymousreply 488February 7, 2020 11:40 AM

A drop in the number of new coronavirus cases for two days is good news, says the director general of the World Health Organization.

However, he cautions against reading too much into it.

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the numbers could go up again, but the last two days were showing a declining trend.

There were roughly 3,900 new cases reported worldwide on 5 February, 3,700 on 6 February and 3,200 on 7 February - the vast majority in China, WHO figures show.

by Anonymousreply 489February 7, 2020 12:21 PM

A number reported by the Chinese government, having no actual meaning in reality.

by Anonymousreply 490February 7, 2020 1:07 PM

There’s an article on CNN I can’t link to for some reason, dates Feb 5 about shipping. It says 80% of shipping goes through China, and some ports are quarantining Chinese ships when they arrive. It says Hyundai already quit manufacturing cars in South a Korea, because there’s no Chinese parts available.

by Anonymousreply 491February 7, 2020 1:14 PM

Here’s the article:

About 80% of world goods trade by volume is carried by sea and China is home to seven of the world's 10 busiest container ports, according to the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development. Nearby Singapore and South Korea each have a mega port too.

A closure of the world's manufacturing hub impacts container shipping at large, as it is a vital facilitator of the intra-Asian and global supply chains," said Peter Sand, chief shipping analyst at BIMCO, an international shipping association. "This will affect many industries and limit demand for containerized goods transport," Sand told CNN Business.

Everything from cars and machinery to apparel and other consumer staples are shipped in containers, and disruption to the industry could reverberate far beyond China as the country seeks to contain the coronavirus outbreak by keeping factories shut and workers at home.

The longer the health crisis lasts, the harder it will be to move goods around the world. The coronavirus outbreak has killed more than 560 people and infected at least 28,000 — mainly in China, where close to 60 million people are living in cities on lockdown.

Already, carmaker Hyundai (HYMTF) has suspended production at its plants in South Korea because of a disruption to the supply of parts caused by the coronavirus outbreak in China, the company said in a statement.

The shutdowns mean that some ships can't get into Chinese ports, as the loading and discharging of goods slows, said Guy Platten, secretary general of the International Chamber of Shipping, a trade body. Others are stuck in dock, waiting for workers to return to ports so that construction and repairs can be completed, Platten added.

Still more vessels are idling in "floating quarantined zones," as countries such as Australia and Singapore refuse to allow ships that have called at Chinese ports to enter their own until the crew has been declared virus-free, added Sand. Platten said he knew of at least one crew that is running low on food because their ship has been idled for so long.

by Anonymousreply 492February 7, 2020 1:16 PM

That’s bound to affect the stock market, companies are losing business. If your plant is sitting idle because you can’t get parts, that’s going to lead to layoffs.

by Anonymousreply 493February 7, 2020 1:17 PM

Asian markets are down since the start of the coronavirus outbreak but not nearly as much as I would have imagined. My broker called me yesterday to recommend "more Asian exposure" in my portfolio – his position is that there are bargains to be had and this outbreak will be contained relatively quickly. I told him he's not an epidemiologist, and no thank you.

by Anonymousreply 494February 7, 2020 1:23 PM

why do people say a lot of food come from China? What kind? I've never bought food made in China. I think maybe if you eat lots of those Asian cookies, sweets and teas. I stay away from those.

by Anonymousreply 495February 7, 2020 1:43 PM

R477 Nothing yet regarding confirmed cases, however Royal Caribbean's Anthem of the Seas discharged several sick patients, suffering from pulmonary issues, and fever: twelve Chinese nationals who were in quarantine, in Bayonne NJ at 6AM. Several were taken away on stretchers. I'm not quite sure howfar Bayonne from Port of NYC, but thinking it's very nearby. Boat went to NY Port afterward.

R494 Severely limit "Asian Exposure". Governments and central banks are jamming the markets. Any gains are artificially elevated. This cannot continue. Even Cathay Pacific was up after laying off staff and cancelling routes for the foreseeable future. One never sees that; evidence this is trickery to prop up markets. It's happening on several boards/exchanges.

by Anonymousreply 496February 7, 2020 1:45 PM

lol at R495. You are completely naive and clueless.

by Anonymousreply 497February 7, 2020 1:55 PM

R495 I agree with you, for the American market, it isn't so much, aside from processed packaged items such as you mentioned, rice noodles as well. Even Chinese looking brands with characters on labels are often made here under licence, or Philippines, and other countries.

However in other parts of the world, food items from China constitute a much wider array of offerings: Japan especially (though rich Japanese avoid Chinese fish and produce like plague). Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia, Taiwan, India, Korea, all have fresh food, fish and produce sourced from China.

by Anonymousreply 498February 7, 2020 2:01 PM

R494 THE STOCK MARKET BEARS NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE REAL WORLD.

by Anonymousreply 499February 7, 2020 2:04 PM

It's an election year. Stock market is usually good...probably being propped up by Trump's cronies...so he can boast how great it is and take credit.

by Anonymousreply 500February 7, 2020 2:12 PM

They let people off the fucking ship in NYC? They are infected (but no showing symptoms)...OMG, we're gonna die!

by Anonymousreply 501February 7, 2020 2:13 PM

Four people on Royal Caribbean cruise ship hospitalized after ship docks in Bayonne

The Royal Caribbean cruise ship on which dozens of people were screened for coronavirus docked in New Jersey on Friday morning — and four passengers were rushed to Newark’s University Hospital “out of caution,” officials said.

A brief clip tweeted by NBC 4 New York reporter Tracie Strahan shows two people being removed from the Royal Caribbean Anthem of the Seas and loaded onto waiting ambulances at the Cape Liberty Cruise Port in Bayonne.

One of the four travelers who had come from China for the Caribbean cruise — and are now hospitalized — had a fever on the cruise, Bayonne Mayor Jimmy Davis told NBC New York.

The fever went away with Tylenol, he said.

Three others are under observation at the hospital, which has negative-pressure isolation rooms, according to Davis.

No one aboard the ship is believed to have coronavirus, but the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and health officials removed 23 other Chinese nationals after the ship docked, NBC reported.

Those passengers will be taken to Newark Liberty International Airport for a flight back to China, according to the report.

No one in New York or New Jersey is confirmed to have the virus — but two people are being tested in the city.

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by Anonymousreply 502February 7, 2020 2:18 PM

Pangolins?

Sure, Jan Xi!

by Anonymousreply 503February 7, 2020 2:30 PM

The Chinese happily boil cats and dogs alive and their fondness for eating bats caused SARS, so why would this mess cause them to care about the Pangolins, other than to covet them even more for their powders and such? They'll probably make even more of that crap with what's left of the poor critters instead of, oh I don't know, washing their fucking hands and covering their mouths when they cough.

by Anonymousreply 504February 7, 2020 2:39 PM

The people being removed on stretchers from the ship are being done so by none of them wearing protective gear. If any of the patients have the virus we may as well give it up now.

by Anonymousreply 505February 7, 2020 2:40 PM

From CNN international -A cruise ship has been denied entry by Japan and is in a "holding pattern" off the coast

A cruise ship has been denied entry by Japanese authorities and is now in a “holding pattern” off the southeast coast of Okinawa over fears of coronavirus.

The MS Westerdam left Singapore on January 16 for what should have been a 30-day cruise around Asia. But after leaving Hong Kong on February 1, the ship has been turned away from ports in the Philippines and Taiwan due to fears that there may be coronavirus cases on board.

In Hong Kong, the ship disembarked 1,254 guests and embarked 768 guests before departing on Saturday, the cruise company Holland America Line (HAL) said.

There is no suggestion that any passengers, current or former, have been infected, the cruise company said on Twitter.

On Thursday, the Japanese government said that it would not allow the Westerdam to call anywhere in their territory.

The ship planned to make stops in the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, and finally China but had revised the ship’s final destination from Shanghai to Yokohama following the warning by US CDC on January 28th, according to the company.

Australian passenger David Holst, 63, is traveling on the Westerdam with his wife Judy.

"No one wants us," Holst told CNN from the cruise ship. "Holland America said they're in discussions with the US State Department, the US Navy, and the Dutch government to try and find a solution. I have no idea what that will be or when that would be."

Holst said he and his wife had spent more than $20,000 on the trip, including flights. But he said the past six or seven days had been a "nightmare."

"It keeps getting worse and everyone on board is just living in fear that the bell is going to ring and the captain is going to say, 'Return to your cabins, we're in quarantine and we've got a virus case on board,'" he said.

by Anonymousreply 506February 7, 2020 2:45 PM

I never liked the idea of cruises. This is another reason to hate it. NO THANK YOU!

by Anonymousreply 507February 7, 2020 2:47 PM

Cruise ships are disease filled barges with THOUSANDS of virus spreading fat Americans. Ban em all.

by Anonymousreply 508February 7, 2020 2:53 PM

Floating Petri dishes! And now they have up to 6,000 people on board. What could go wrong?

by Anonymousreply 509February 7, 2020 3:10 PM

Plague Boats

by Anonymousreply 510February 7, 2020 3:13 PM

"Plague Boats"

Sing along, DL!

The Plague Boat....soon will be making another run....the Plague Boat....promises something for everyone!

by Anonymousreply 511February 7, 2020 3:15 PM

Millions of pangolins are Illegally taken for their scales and flesh every year. Coronavirus was traced to one of these animals. Sickening what these people eat! It's truly horrifying and cruel.

by Anonymousreply 512February 7, 2020 3:20 PM

China has about 4.5 hospital beds per 1000 people. So Wuhan should have about 50,000 beds and Hubei should have over 250,000. The official numbers report 22,000 cases in all of Hubei.

Assuming they are reluctant to spread the virus by transporting patients out of Wuhan to outlying hospitals, it does seem liken the number of cases must be understated. But I’d guess not by a factor of 10.

by Anonymousreply 513February 7, 2020 3:29 PM

I heard that they are still short on medical staff despite sending 10,000 to that area already...

by Anonymousreply 514February 7, 2020 3:36 PM

I wonder if there will be a slew of lawsuits against the Chinese government for this, once things calm down. I don't think these would have any traction in China, but national assets outside of the country (such as in the US) could be targeted for those who have suffered financially.

by Anonymousreply 515February 7, 2020 3:37 PM

The White House on Thursday asked U.S. scientists and medical researchers to investigate the scientific origins of the novel coronavirus, as misinformation about the outbreak spreads online.

The director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), in a letter to the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, requested that scientific experts "rapidly" look into the origins of the virus in order to address both the current spread and "to inform future outbreak preparation and better understand animal/human and environmental transmission aspects of coronaviruses."

The national academies consist of private, nonprofit institutions charged with providing scientific support to the federal government.

The director of the OSTP, Kelvin Droegemeier, wrote in the letter to the president of the National Academy of Sciences, Marcia McNutt, that a widely disputed paper on the origins -- subsequently withdrawn -- had shown the urgency for accurate information about the genesis of the outbreak.

He called for a "meeting of experts, particularly world class geneticists, coronavirus experts, and evolutionary biologists."

In response, the presidents of the academies shared in a letter a synopsis of their research so far, calling the request "timely given the declaration of a public health emergency and potential for misinformation to confound the response."

The move comes as governments and social media companies fight the spread of misinformation about the virus, which since it was first detected in December has infected more than 28,000 people and killed more than 560, almost entirely in China.

In the United States, 12 confirmed cases have been reported in Wisconsin, California, Washington, Arizona, Massachusetts and Illinois. The World Health Organization has declared the outbreak a global health emergency.

The U.S. has evacuated Americans from the Chinese city of Wuhan, the outbreak's epicenter, and imposed strict entry restrictions on travelers who have recently spent time in China.

A coronavirus task force led by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar met with President Donald Trump on Thursday, according to the White House, which said the president has been receiving daily updates.

The OSTP also supports providing wider access to scientific studies on the coronavirus.

ABC News' Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Jennifer Ashton asked the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease about concerns that stem from misinformation online that the novel coronavirus could have been engineered or deliberately released.

"There's always that concern," Dr. Anthony Fauci said. "And one of the things that people are doing right now is very carefully looking at sequences to see if there's even any possibility much less likelihood that that's going on. And you could ultimately determine that. So people are looking at it, but right now, the focus is on what are we going to do about what we have."

The Washington Post reported that some U.S. senators have been frustrated with the lack of information provided by the federal government to the states they represent.

On Thursday, Azar said in a speech at his agency's headquarters that he was proud of the work by the department's staff, including the quick development of a test for local authorities to confirm cases.

"There are still many unanswered questions about the virus, which your colleagues are working hard to resolve," he said. "But everybody here should be proud to be part of a department and health care system that is capable of mounting the rapid and science-driven responses that we've seen."

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by Anonymousreply 516February 7, 2020 3:40 PM

I know I'm getting off topic but here's a bit of info about pangolins, because I love these little critters: There are eight species of pangolins, four in Asia and four in Africa. They are all protected according to national and international laws. The African species are qualified as vulnerable, two of the Asian species are endangered and two are critically endangered. In the last decade, an estimate of one milliion pangolins have been poached. Here's a link to Traffic, a NGO that works against illegal wildlife trafficking, if anyone is interested.

Also, apparently february 15th is world pangolin day

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by Anonymousreply 517February 7, 2020 3:42 PM

R516 People are saying : "I've got it under control"

by Anonymousreply 518February 7, 2020 3:43 PM

[quote]The director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), in a letter to the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, requested that scientific experts "rapidly" look into the origins of the virus in order to address both the current spread and "to inform future outbreak preparation and better understand animal/human and environmental transmission aspects of coronaviruses."

All of a sudden the White House LIKES scientists?

by Anonymousreply 519February 7, 2020 3:44 PM

R514, after seeing those videos of the new “hospital,” which is just a huge open room that looks like a garage, no amenities of any kind, and beds lined up in rows close together with no dividers, they’re not only short in staff, they’re short on everything. I saw another clip there of mattresses on the floor. I didn’t see any hospital beds, just beds like you would have at home. Which would be very difficult to remove after a death, with no wheels. And it would spray fomites everywhere if you had to pick it up and carry it.

A narrative accompanying the video said there was no toilet indoors and they were going to the bathroom “outside.” Porta potties maybe? Awful for a contagious disease. And if you’re not ambulatory, taking a shit in a bedpan in a room with fifty people? More like diapers, but who’s changing them?

After seeing that, I can’t believe they took a week to build it. It looks like they just slammed together prefab boxes with no plumbing. I wonder if they’re running off generators.

I wonder if they don’t want to take over an existing hotel, which would be easier, because they think they’d have to burn it down after. Maybe nobody would stay in it. But who cares with an epidemic this size? Burn it down after if you have to.

by Anonymousreply 520February 7, 2020 3:47 PM

Trump's Director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy...

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by Anonymousreply 521February 7, 2020 3:49 PM

R520 It's obviously not an hospital meant to treat people, but just to keep them in quarantine. It's scary.

by Anonymousreply 522February 7, 2020 3:52 PM

Well, at least the bedding looks cheerful and colorful, R520.

by Anonymousreply 523February 7, 2020 3:53 PM

Sorry, that’s not “spray fomites,” that’s “spray virus” everywhere. The cushy, non-medical, porous bed IS the giant fomite.

Most of the people outside of China have survived. This is why.

I think this is going to tear the blinders off our understanding of what life in China is like. It appears to be an entire country built by the lowest bidder.

by Anonymousreply 524February 7, 2020 4:54 PM

But we already knew this. China has to change its ways. "Fake it till you make it" is no way to govern a country.

by Anonymousreply 525February 7, 2020 5:09 PM

This video is taken by a patient.

The first rooms shown have hospital beds. Towards the very end, she says I got here early and so I got a bed. The later ones have to sleep on the floor. And then they show pictures of beds made up on the floor. I take it back, they don’t look very cushy.

She says there’s no place to wash hands or take a shower. She says no breakfast and no treatment, just registering and re-registering. She says she had to walk a long way to get hot water. That doesn’t sound good.

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by Anonymousreply 526February 7, 2020 5:15 PM

I would think the air quality in China, as seen in the pic at R459, also has something to do with the death rate. Breathing that crud day in and day out has got to seriously impact the lungs' ability to fight off infection.

by Anonymousreply 527February 7, 2020 5:15 PM

Today's WSJ: Patients hooked to intravenous drips stood in the waiting room because the seats were full. A supply depot lacked enough protective suits and goggles for medical workers. And with public-transportation systems shut, residents such as Wang Hongyan resorted to ferrying fever-stricken family members to the hospital by moped.

Visits to Wuhan medical facilities in recent days have shown a system still stretched beyond the brink. Some of the new hospitals that Chinese state media said would be ready to receive patients were still under construction when The Wall Street Journal visited. At one convention center being turned into a field hospital, workers on Tuesday were fitting beds in the middle of the night, wiring electricity and sweeping away trash.

At Wuhan’s existing hospitals, the situation remained dire on Friday. Outside Tongji Hospital, a woman sat in open-air 45-degree weather to take her intravenous fluids. Inside the waiting room, IV-fluid bags towered over dozens of facemask-wearing patients, some standing. Still others lay motionless on cots in the hallways, hooked up to oxygen tanks. Scurrying around them were medical personnel protected head to toe with disposable blue suits, white gloves, goggles and shoe covers.

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by Anonymousreply 528February 7, 2020 5:22 PM

Those poor people

by Anonymousreply 529February 7, 2020 5:25 PM

R525, I think an earlier poster hit the nail on the head. During the Communist Revolution, they took out anybody that was an intellectual or upper class and locked them up or shot them. So that class was gone. Government officials were uneducated people in many cases. Imagine a nation of Deplorables. People who don’t value education and refinement. That’s who these people are descended from, and peer pressure did the rest.

Now it’s a Deplorables’ paradise, bad working conditions, bad environmental conditions. Nobody in power cares because they make money that way. So what if a bunch of rabble suffers and dies after a short miserable life. An endless pursuit of money for the elite few is called “progress.”

That’s our future if we don’t get rid of Trump. Imagine a hundred years of Deplorables agreeing blindly while the elite loots the country. It’s not the intelligence or education level now, it’s society. Nobody remembers anything else. And if somebody tries to rise above, they lock them up.

by Anonymousreply 530February 7, 2020 5:26 PM

So much of these "look at what a mess China is in" posts are self serving racist clap trap. When corona hits America the good ole USA's "best heath care system in the world" will be reveled as the Potemkin village it really is. You ain't seen nothing yet.

by Anonymousreply 531February 7, 2020 5:31 PM

Nobody is saying the U.S. is the best healthcare in the world but you, R531. There have been cases all over the world and most countries are handling them very cautiously and carefully. If anything, the U.S. is not being as careful as others.

by Anonymousreply 532February 7, 2020 5:35 PM

^^^^ Do you not understand what " " mean?

by Anonymousreply 533February 7, 2020 5:36 PM

When it's time for a new thread, can we please call it "To Kung Flu, Thanks for Everything, Julie Flu-mar"?

by Anonymousreply 534February 7, 2020 5:38 PM

The scale of the infected is unprecedented in contemporary times. Regardless, China's ad hoc quarantine measures are the best bet to stop the virus from spreading. After they contain it, they want a in serious, in-depth culinary discussion.

Disaster medicine is not pretty, see triage.

Yes, China suffers an economic hit from this. Along with supply chain disruptions, multi-nationals may decide not to put all their manufacturing in China as not "not all eggs in one basket" precaution.

In my bingo card, I have the following countries as not reporting (or even tracking) cases - Russia (center spot!), Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines, and India.

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by Anonymousreply 535February 7, 2020 5:44 PM

The scale of the infected is unprecedented in contemporary times. Regardless, China's ad hoc quarantine measures are the best bet to stop the virus from spreading. After they contain it, they want a in serious, in-depth culinary discussion.

Disaster medicine is not pretty, see triage.

Yes, China suffers an economic hit from this. Along with supply chain disruptions, multi-nationals may decide not to put all their manufacturing in China as not "not all eggs in one basket" precaution.

In my bingo card, I have the following countries as not reporting (or even tracking) cases - Russia (center spot!), Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines, and India.

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by Anonymousreply 536February 7, 2020 5:44 PM

Will I have virus if I suck corona?

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by Anonymousreply 537February 7, 2020 5:45 PM

BBC: Another 41 people on a cruise ship off the coast of Japan have tested positive for the new coronavirus, bringing the total number of cases on board to 61.

Some 3,700 people are on board the Diamond Princess, which is quarantined in Yokohama for at least two weeks.

The new cases on board the Diamond Princess bring Japan's number of confirmed cases to 86, the second highest figure after China.

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by Anonymousreply 538February 7, 2020 5:48 PM

What about Africa, R535? Apparently they do a lot of business with China, but no one’s hearing anything.

by Anonymousreply 539February 7, 2020 5:48 PM

From CNN international---Hong Kong confirms 26 cases of coronavirus

From CNN's Bex Wright in Hong Kong

A 58-year-old man and a 42-year-old man are the latest people to contract coronavirus in Hong Kong, bringing the total to 26 confirmed cases as of 8 p.m. local Friday, according to the Department of Health.

The 58-year-old is in serious condition. According to the patient's information, he was traveling back and forth for work from Macao to his home in Zhuhai during the incubation period and then resided with a friend in Hong Kong. As a precaution, quarantine is being arranged for the friend who is asymptomatic.

The 42-year-old is in stable condition. He had flown to Hebei Province and visited Macao before returning to Hong Kong. A domestic worker who resided with him presented symptoms and will be sent to Prince of Wales Hospital and a quarantine is being arranged for his friend who lived with him but is asymptomatic.

by Anonymousreply 540February 7, 2020 5:54 PM

What does March look like for the US/Canada in terms of the virus spread? Any predictions?

by Anonymousreply 541February 7, 2020 5:54 PM

From CNN-- Both Illinois coronavirus patients discharged from hospital

Two coronavirus patients who were being treated in Hoffman Estates, Illinois, have been discharged from the hospital, AMITA Health St. Alexius Medical Center spokesman Timothy Nelson tells CNN.

They are now in isolation at their home.

The patients, a husband and wife in their 60s, were allowed back at their home last night under guidance from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Illinois Department of Public Health, according to the hospital.

“With it being an uncomfortable situation, the care and the services we’ve received have been great. Everyone’s been very kind and very respectful,” the patients said in a statement provided by the hospital. “This has been the best healthcare experience we’ve ever had, but we’re definitely looking forward to getting home and getting life back to normal.”

About the patients: The woman was Illinois’ first confirmed travel-associated case and was diagnosed after returning from Wuhan, China, where the outbreak originated. The husband, who did not travel to China, was the first confirmed case of person-to-person transmission of the virus in the United States, according the CDC.

by Anonymousreply 542February 7, 2020 5:55 PM

Study details how coronavirus can spread in hospitals

The study, published in the medical journal JAMA today, involved analyzing data on 138 patients hospitalized with novel coronavirus-infected pneumonia in Wuhan, China. The data showed that hospital-related transmissions of the virus were suspected in about 41% of the patients.

Specifically, 40 health care workers in the study and 17 patients who were already hospitalized for other reasons were presumed to have been infected with the novel coronavirus in the hospital, the data showed, also revealing that 26% of all the patients were admitted to an intensive care unit and 4.3% died.

The researchers noted that the new study, to their knowledge, might be the largest case series to date of hospitalized patients with novel coronavirus-infected pneumonia — but the study had some limitations.

Hospital-related transmissions of infections "could not be definitively proven but was suspected and presumed based on timing and patterns of exposure to infected patients and subsequent development of infection,” the researchers wrote in the study.

Among the 138 cases, "most patients are still hospitalized at the time of manuscript submission. Therefore, it is difficult to assess risk factors for poor outcome, and continued observations of the natural history of the disease are needed,” they wrote.

by Anonymousreply 543February 7, 2020 5:58 PM

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by Anonymousreply 544February 7, 2020 6:19 PM

Store shelves are empty in Hong Kong. They are hoarding toilet paper, tissue paper etc...

by Anonymousreply 545February 7, 2020 6:21 PM

Let's wait until May - that's the end of flu season.

Also, the Chinese need to have a serious discussion about their culinary habits. I was talking to a Pakistani about the Coronavirus and he interrupted me and exclaimed "We don't eat what they eat!

by Anonymousreply 546February 7, 2020 6:36 PM

You eat us, now you die!

by Anonymousreply 547February 7, 2020 6:52 PM

For those who say they don't eat food from China LMFAO! Every other food in the Frozen aisle does a complex jig from farm to overseas production to your table often including an insane stop at Chinese warehouses including ( for example) frozen chicken breasts in bags- that are then " injected with solution" for color/ preservation/ who the Hell knows and then back to your grocery store. Bleh. There are literally THOUSANDS of these items at the grocery stores, in not just the frozen food section, but the snack aisle, and god knows what else.

One good thing that has me SO HAPPY is the Secret thought of how Evil Elaine Chao and her Mafia Shipping Company Chinese relatives ( and secret source of her and Mitch's $$$) might go completely BANKRUPT over this! Of course it is a little scary to think how as our Transportation Secretary she might not give a damn about our collective health in the U.S. and try to convince Trump NOT to place restrictions on shipping from China.

by Anonymousreply 548February 7, 2020 6:56 PM

[quote]It's obviously not an hospital meant to treat people, but just to keep them in quarantine. It's scary.

It was kind of obvious from the beginning I thought, r522. Rushed job, zero specs, a hangar basically for the dead or nearly dead.

by Anonymousreply 549February 7, 2020 7:12 PM

India is going to be a prime target. They can't corral their citizens the way China can. It's going to be chaos.

by Anonymousreply 550February 7, 2020 7:17 PM

My mom just told me that she heard the medical masks are ineffective to protect against coronavirus and she thinks we should all just wear Guy Fawkes masks instead.

by Anonymousreply 551February 7, 2020 7:28 PM

don't worry about McConnell and Chao. They been making/stealing enough money to cover their asses.

China is going to take a huge hit for this. Even after the virus is over who is going to want to touch anything Chinese? The Chinese are now paying the price of the greedy few who run everything. If anything good comes out of this I hope it is the beginning of the end of Communism in China.

by Anonymousreply 552February 7, 2020 7:52 PM

I wonder how India will be affected. did they suffer a lot during SARs? I seem to recall an asian friend advising me to eat more curries because of the spices it contained and that the Indians weren't affected as badly as the rest.

by Anonymousreply 553February 7, 2020 8:09 PM

I find this astonishing. When it was first reported that Dr. Li died (Dr. Li being the MD who first reported an outbreak of a new virus that was causing pneumonia and death), there was a huge outcry on social media, who were outraged at the way he had been treated by the CCP. So the powers that be had him re-attached to life support equipment, so they could claim he had NOT died, but was in critical condition. Apparently thinking if they could buy some time, they could mitigate the blowback. He died, again, four hours later.

Now think about the craven cynicism in doing something like this. I think about his poor family members, his mother, his father, watching all of this unfold, knowing this was all macabre political theatre. It makes you realize what a heartless insane place China really is, and makes me furious for all of those people whose illnesses are being hidden, and could have been prevented. I said it before and I will say it again. That BSL-4 lab is responsible for this virus, and it got out because they had inadequately trained people, who were under pressure to perform, and became sloppy.

Yesterday I had to meet with the CEO of a company developing new diagnostics for coronaviruses. And he and I spent a half hour talking about the myriad ways that virus could have gotten into the local wildlife population. His company has a BSL-3, and the care and precision required in working in THAT facility is an order of magnitude below that of a BSL-4. He and I both agreed that that paper that cam out a few days ago, for about 4 hours, and then retracted, was probably correct: if n-CoV19 has HIV gag protein sequences in it, the guilt has to be laid at the lab. And the thing he and I discussed was that we all assume that this one virus might have gotten out, but is that really supportable? Is that the ONLY viral construct that made it into the air, or water, or waste dump? If there were HIV gag proteins in some of these constructs, were there any other sequences and how are thy changing the behavior of the virus?

It is driving me crazy how wussy the WHO is being about this.

I doubt seriously, a government that would put a dead man on a respirator and feeding tubes just to be able to say on social media that he was NOT dead, will EVER accept responsibility for this debacle.

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by Anonymousreply 554February 7, 2020 8:24 PM

r554 I agree with some of your statement but I am standing on my idea that they were testing the virus to see if they could use it to quell the protests in Hong Kong. But they had no idea that they would have no control over it.

by Anonymousreply 555February 7, 2020 8:32 PM

R551, the masks are ineffective for two reasons: gaps on the sides, and eye and ear exposure. People can get sick from people coughing or sneezing in their eyes or ears. The ideal situation would be an N95 or N100 mask when going out, complete eye and ear protection, like a clear face shield, and throw the mask away when you come home. Be careful not to touch it. You remove it by the elastic bands, not by holding the mask part. I’d put it in a zip lock bag and put that in another bag and take it outside.

The only reason I mention this is because we don’t know where we’re going to be in a month, and you may want to buy something and put it aside for later.

by Anonymousreply 556February 7, 2020 8:34 PM

R555, I do not think you are ever going to be able to assign motive without testimony from people at that level of decision-making. I tend to think it was arrogance and greed, and not military weapons development. But you and I have equal probability of being right, or wrong, so I choose not to speculate as to motive. I do think it was probably accidental, if for no other reason than that it is the most parsimonious explanation. But I wouldn't put anything past the Chinese government, given that they are willing to put a corpse on life-support to avoid evil tweets.

by Anonymousreply 557February 7, 2020 8:47 PM

So R555, you got me thinking.. Can we tell by where the insertions are, in the n-cov19 genome, what they were designed to do?

Here is what the authors of that retracted biorxiv paper said: "Moving ahead, 3D modelling of the protein structure displayed that these insertions are present at the binding site of 2019-nCoV. Due to the presence of gp120 motifs in 2019-nCoV spike glycoprotein at its binding domain, we propose that these motif insertions could have provided an enhanced affinity towards host cell receptors. Further, this structural change might have also increased the range of host cells that 2019-nCoV can infect."

Wow. They are saying they think the HIV sequences were inserted to increase the spectrum of hosts that the virus could infect, and the ease with which such infections could occur. I know they were roundly criticized and retracted within hours, but was that political pressure or science?

Anybody here familiar with those HIV sequences? What do those domains encode?

by Anonymousreply 558February 7, 2020 9:09 PM

I haven't read this entire thread. I just logged on here after being away for awhile, but this is really out there guys. While I wouldn't put it past China to develop a virus as warfare, I believe the stories that this came from a wet market. I have lived and worked in China the last three years. Wet Markets are the most disgusting places I have ever been. I do not go to them, I do not eat from them. I was in London on holiday when the news broke about the virus, though I had read about an outbreak of "pneumonia" in Wuhan a few days before I left. I really didn't think anything of it to be honest. Once the news broke, I bought a ticket to my parents' house in the States and am currently waiting out the virus here. I'm still working, as are all my colleagues, we are just required to work from wherever we are in the world on Beijing time. Most of my colleagues are still in China in quarantine. I think the speculation going on in the last few responses is really overblown. I'm not saying this as someone who drank the kool-aid there either. I loathe China, I just make a lot more money and have a much better level of living there than I would ever have in the States.

by Anonymousreply 559February 7, 2020 9:19 PM

R554 are you the study section reviewer back?

by Anonymousreply 560February 7, 2020 9:28 PM

R559, just want to point out that the lab could still be the source, even if the contamination occurred via the wet market. BSL-4 labs have special venting systems, special water systems..... if the wrong thing gets put in the wrong exit pathway, that is how it gets out. And if wildlife breathes it in, or drinks it in, et voila.

I don't think China weaponized it. But I am not as sure as I was before I looked at that Indian lab's paper. Given the way the CCP has been behaving throughout this entire ordeal, nothing would surprise me any more. If someone can convincingly show that HIV sequences are in the n-cov19 sequence, that is pretty indisputable.

by Anonymousreply 561February 7, 2020 9:35 PM

The genome is published...anyone can analyze it, right? so what are they saying? I barely passed Science. I did much better in the creative subjects.

by Anonymousreply 562February 7, 2020 9:38 PM

I like R534's suggested title for the next thread. I was going to suggest:

Everybody Was Kung-Flu Fighting

or

Pandemic! At The Disco

by Anonymousreply 563February 7, 2020 9:55 PM

I vote for Pandemic! At the disco.

by Anonymousreply 564February 7, 2020 10:06 PM

Pandemic! At The Dim Sum Disco

by Anonymousreply 565February 7, 2020 10:11 PM

Please keep flu in the title of the thread so people can find it.

by Anonymousreply 566February 7, 2020 10:37 PM

Anyway, we will probably have enough threads to use all the titles, like the Treason series.

by Anonymousreply 567February 7, 2020 10:39 PM

[quote]That BSL-4 lab is responsible for this virus, and it got out because they had inadequately trained people, who were under pressure to perform, and became sloppy.

Anyone with any amount of firsthand experience in Mainland China knows this is almost certainly the case.

by Anonymousreply 568February 7, 2020 10:46 PM

Yes, quarantine the entire fucking country! LOL Taiwan is really good at sticking it to China.

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by Anonymousreply 569February 7, 2020 11:21 PM

Coronavirus Freakout 4: The Pangolins' Revenge

by Anonymousreply 570February 7, 2020 11:25 PM

REUTERS: Royal Caribbean Cruises issued a statement on Friday saying: “Any guest or crewmen traveling from, to, or through mainland China, Hong Kong or Macau less than 15 days prior to their sailing will be unable to board any of our ships.” But it did not stop there. It also said, “Any guests holding a Chinese, Hong Kong or Macau passport, regardless of when they were there last, will not be allowed to board our ships.”

by Anonymousreply 571February 7, 2020 11:28 PM

Kung Flu-ey! Kung Flu-ey!

The World of Flu-zy Wong

My contributions, guys.

by Anonymousreply 572February 8, 2020 1:22 AM

R571 Regardless of when they were there last? What’s the point of that? They might have relatives or friends that were exposed?

by Anonymousreply 573February 8, 2020 1:33 AM

Why is OP’s post greyed out?

by Anonymousreply 574February 8, 2020 1:34 AM

Because the pollyanna brigade are F&F'ing the thread, R574.

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by Anonymousreply 575February 8, 2020 1:39 AM

Any NYT subscribers care to paste this article?

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by Anonymousreply 576February 8, 2020 2:55 AM

One patient, admitted to a hospital in Wuhan, China, infected at least 10 health care workers and four other patients with the coronavirus that has sickened more than 34,000 people, killed 700 and reached two dozen other countries.

The case was just one disturbing detail in a new report on 138 patients in Wuhan that helps explain how the illness progresses and how it spreads.

The patients ranged in age from 22 to 92, with a median of 56 years, and were admitted to Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University from Jan. 1 to Jan 28. Many of them — 41 percent — were presumed to have caught the virus in the hospital, including 17 people who had been admitted for other illnesses, and 40 health care workers.

The report, one of two published on Friday by JAMA, is among the most comprehensive articles to date about people infected with the newly identified virus.

The patient who infected so many health workers had been placed in a surgical ward because of abdominal symptoms, and the coronavirus was not initially suspected. Four other patients in that ward also contracted the disease, presumably from the first patient.

The incident was a chilling reminder of the “super-spreaders” in outbreaks of other coronavirus diseases, SARS and MERS — patients who infected huge numbers of other people, sometimes dozens. The phenomenon is poorly understood and unpredictable, an epidemiologist’s nightmare. Super-spreaders led to considerable transmission of MERS and SARS inside hospitals.

Reporting on Friday in JAMA, the authors said their data suggested that rapid person-to-person spread of the virus had occurred among their cases. That was in part because of patients like the one admitted to the surgical department, whose symptoms misled doctors into suspecting other illnesses and failing to take precautions to prevent spread of the virus until it was too late.

About 10 percent of the patients did not initially have the usual symptoms, cough and fever, but instead had diarrhea and nausea first. Other uncommon symptoms included headache, dizziness and abdominal pain.

Another cause for concern was that some patients who at first appeared mildly or moderately ill then took a turn for the worse several days or even a week into their illness. The median time from their first symptoms to when they became short of breath was five days; to hospitalization, seven days; and to severe breathing trouble, eight days. Experts say that pattern means patients must be carefully monitored, and it is not safe to assume that someone who seems to be doing well early on is out of the woods.

by Anonymousreply 577February 8, 2020 3:07 AM

Here’s the first part r576

One patient, admitted to a hospital in Wuhan, China, infected at least 10 health care workers and four other patients with the coronavirus that has sickened more than 34,000 people, killed 700 and reached two dozen other countries.

The case was just one disturbing detail in a new report on 138 patients in Wuhan that helps explain how the illness progresses and how it spreads.

The report, one of two published on Friday by JAMA, is among the most comprehensive articles to date about people infected with the newly identified virus.

The patients ranged in age from 22 to 92, with a median of 56 years, and were admitted to Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University from Jan. 1 to Jan 28. Many of them — 41 percent — were presumed to have caught the virus in the hospital, including 17 people who had been admitted for other illnesses, and 40 health care workers.

by Anonymousreply 578February 8, 2020 3:08 AM

Ching ching chong cough.

by Anonymousreply 579February 8, 2020 3:10 AM

Ching ching chong cough.

by Anonymousreply 580February 8, 2020 3:11 AM

Part 2

The finding is a “heads up” to doctors to keep an eye on these patients, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said in a recorded interview posted by JAMA.

Like previous reports on coronavirus patients, this one found that older people and those with underlying health problems like diabetes, heart disease or cancer tended to become more severely ill than younger, healthier patients.

Over all, about 26 percent of the 138 patients needed intensive care; their median age was 66, compared with a median of 51 years for those who did not require intensive care.

For this series of patients, the death rate was 4.3 percent, which is higher than the estimates coming from other parts of China. The reason is not known, and the figures may change as more information is gathered.

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Unlike some earlier reports, the new one did not find many more men than women to be infected: 54 percent of the patients were male.

The data on the patients shows that the illness caused pneumonia and a systemic viral infection that set off a powerful inflammatory response in the body, Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University, said in an interview.

“There are biochemical indicators that a number of the body’s organ systems are likely affected and you have an inflammatory response that is disrupting their function to some extent,” Dr. Schaffner said.

The lungs, heart, liver, kidneys and the systems that control blood clotting are all affected, Dr. Schaffner said, though it is not clear that the virus itself infects organs other than the lungs.

The inflammatory response is a hallmark of a serious viral disease, he said, adding that in recent years it has become apparent that heightened inflammation from diseases like the flu can persist for a month or so after the acute illness is gone, and can increase the risk of heart attacks and strokes in older people.

The second JAMA report concerns 13 patients treated in three hospitals in Beijing from Jan. 16 to Jan. 29. They were younger than the Wuhan group, with a median age of 34, and no underlying diseases. Only one was over 50. The youngest was a 2-year-old. They did not become as ill as the Wuhan patients, and none died.

The cases, mostly in healthy, young adults, should dispel the notion that only older people contract the illness.

“It can take a young, healthy person and make them sick,” Dr. Schaffner said. “That’s clear from the health care workers and the young people in this paper.”

by Anonymousreply 581February 8, 2020 3:17 AM

Thanks, R577

by Anonymousreply 582February 8, 2020 3:45 AM

The first American has died of the coronavirus, succumbing to the deadly infection in mainland China on Thursday, The New York Times reported Friday — which was also the deadliest day of the outbreak so far.

A total of 86 people died of the virus Friday, all of them in China, according to the latest health statistics on Worldometers.info, which compiles data from the World Heath Organization and other agencies.

Little data has been released about the American who died, other than that he or she was around 60 years old, the US Embassy in Beijing told The Times.

“We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss,” a spokesman for the embassy told the paper.

“Out of respect for the family’s privacy, we have no further comment.”

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by Anonymousreply 583February 8, 2020 6:18 AM

The guy who revealed the stacks of dead bodies has gone missing, according to his family. The Daily Mail today published videos of people being dragged from their homes by military personnel to be put in "Quarantine". The government reports 85 people died in the last 24 hours.

Things are looking dire.

by Anonymousreply 584February 8, 2020 12:19 PM

Part 4?

by Anonymousreply 585February 8, 2020 12:25 PM

5 British nationals contract coronavirus at French ski resort

Five British nationals, including a child, have contracted coronavirus at a ski chalet in France, according to a report.

The latest outbreak originated from a resort visitor who had spent time in Singapore, officials said.

French health minister Agnes Buzyn told Reuters the affected individuals were being treated and are not in serious condition.

“That original case was brought to our attention last night. It is a British national who had returned from Singapore, where he had stayed between Jan. 20 and 23, and he arrived in France on Jan. 24 for four days,” Buzyn told the wire service.

The new infections bring the total number of coronavirus cases in France to 11.

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by Anonymousreply 586February 8, 2020 12:51 PM

Leaked powerpoint slide from the Chinese CDC shows numbers of infected medical staff at Wuhan hospitals.

Image surfaced online Feb. 5, probably from the couple of days previous. Last date listed on the slide is 1/20.

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by Anonymousreply 587February 8, 2020 1:34 PM

I guess we'll know the real fatality rate now that people are dying outside of China.

by Anonymousreply 588February 8, 2020 1:40 PM

Okay, new thread posted. Thanks R534. Although I see now I overlooked The Pangolins Revenge at R570. That’s a good one!)

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by Anonymousreply 589February 8, 2020 1:50 PM

Bajour!

by Anonymousreply 590February 8, 2020 4:04 PM

Part 4

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by Anonymousreply 591February 8, 2020 6:41 PM

Is China ‘quarantining’ people and carrying out a genocide and using Corona as their cover?

by Anonymousreply 592February 8, 2020 7:04 PM

Yes R592

by Anonymousreply 593February 8, 2020 7:26 PM

R554 Dr. Li's widow is pregnant with their second child. She has been confirmed as having the corona virus. What a tragedy!

by Anonymousreply 594February 9, 2020 7:42 AM
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