A Treasonable Amount of Time (The Mueller Investigation Part 88)

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Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 81) (February 4, 2019)

House Cleaning Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 82) (February 9, 2019)

For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83) (February 15, 2019)

Treasons I Speak (The Mueller Investigation Part 84) (February 19, 2019)

Treasonable Preparations (The Mueller Investigation Part 85) (February 23, 2019)

Treasons for Redemption (The Mueller Investigation Part 86) (March 1, 2019)

Treasons to Watch (The Mueller Investigation Part 87) (March 7, 2019)

A Treasonable Amount of Time (The Mueller Investigation Part 88) (March 11, 2019)

I think a President or Senate Leader or Senator from South Carolina who is guilty of treason ought to be drawn and quartered on the DC Mall.

Me love the G.O.P. longtime.

Good title, OP

Well, Sarah was back -- and who cares?

[quote]Sarah Sanders: Democrats have no problem getting together and agreeing that a baby should be ripped from the mother's womb and killed but can't say that it's wrong to hate Jewish people.

[quote]what a vile human being she is. I have never, ever heard anyone but Republicans speak like that.

And she said it in response to a question about ratcheting down the political rhetoric!

FDR and Truman led America to help defeat Hitler and the Axis Powers, and this repulsive beast is pushing the "Democrats hate Jews" slander???

I'm flummoxed at how Republicans are now pandering for the traditionally Democratic votes of American Jews.

Like the title.

the repubs are desperate. They are trying to win over new voters any way they can. Most Jews are liberal. Repubs are trying to propagandize despite their own antisemitism! Look at the damn mass shooting in Pittsburgh synagogue last year! That was inspired by a white supremacist who heard Trump, some repub congressmen , Fox "News' hosts and right wing radio "news" hosts saying George Soros paid for the caravans. That inspired him to shoot up the synagogue.

Then you have the would-be pipe bomber in Florida

Then you have Charlottesville in which Trump said those titki torch carrying idiots shouting "Jews will not replace us" were "very fine people".

Then you have during the campaign Trump going to 1 Jewish group and said "you don't like me because I don't want your money"

Then you have the antisemitic repub memes about Janet Yellen

Then you have the dog whistle term "globalist" brought into the public discussion and politics by white supremacist Steve Bannon, whose wife said during their divorce documents he didn't like Jews

Later today Judge Amy Jackson Bergman will reveal whether Roger Stone goes to jail for the second gag order violation. Cynthia Alskne predicts he’s headed to the slammer.

Oh, I think I just popped a justice boner.

He's gonna love it in jail. lots of sex for him

What Trump, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Republican politicians and their talking heads, are doing is messaging that Democrats are not supporting Israel.

It is a ploy for 2020. But more than that, Netanyahu is about to annex the Golan Heights in Israel. Syria is weak, in internal conflict for years, and Assad is a puppet of Putin. Lindsey Graham was just in Israel this weekend, and is leaving advocating annexation. Lindsey's initial photo-ops were at old tunnels by the Gaza strip, not at the Golan Heights in the north, though he was taken there. The Brazilian President is also heading to Israel to do essentially the same as Graham Lindsey did not go as part of a bi-partisan Congressional delegation. The outcome was pre-determined and timed. Netanyahu has political troubles at home and again, has been charged with corruption. Trump wanting to pull out of Syria completely, was part of a plan involving Russia that is interrelated with this matter.

Trump, Lindsey, Turtle, etc. will try to get Congress to endorse and recognize such annexation. If Democrats oppose/resist, Republicans will try to portray them as anti-Israel, those not supportive of Jews.

This fight is coming soon.

Nancy says NO IMPEACHMENT again!!!!

Some of us TOLD YOU!!!!

No impeachment UNTIL there is support in the Senate...

r17, which basically means NEVER, we'd have a better chance just voting him out of office in 2020.

Christ r16, do try to show restraint, will you? And remind me to not bring you to a brawl, you don’t have street thinking.

Stone in Prison: Dickson Nixon

Nancy's full quote follows this: There have been increasing calls, including from some of your members, for impeachment of the president.

[quote]I’m not for impeachment. This is news. I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.

She's right. Impeachment as a tool to use out of anger or frustration is wrong and won't go anywhere other than give Trump something to crow about. She knows that there needs to be substance and compelling evidence and most importantly, Senate support that would hit the President right between the eyes. They're only going to get one shot.

If they impeach then flounder, he's got all he needs to rally his supporters and moderates to win a second term. She may think at the end of the day that we're better off spending money and time to make sure a Democrat gets elected instead. Then let Justice do its thing.

I posted many threads ago that plenty of old-school politicians, and maybe even Mueller himself, believe that it is the voter's right and privilege to remove Trump from office. That would be definitive, not subject to debate or lingering conspiracy theories and would not allow Trump and his supporters a Messiah Complex.

How will the GOP push this "Dems are anti-Semitic" nonsense if Bernie Sanders becomes the nominee? The Huckabeast isn't thinking ahead as usual.

She can impeach the fucker every day till election day BUT he will not be removed until there is Republican support in the Senate.

I hope Sarah realizes she will never get another job

Hoping for Stone to go to jail but somehow I'm very doubtful.

Oh, and one more thing about having the goods for impeachment:  Donald J Trump was names as a co-conspirator in a federal crime entered into judgment in the Southern District of NY in a plea deal accepted by a federal judge.

Since then Cohen's testimony indicates that DJT has committed crimes WHILE PRESIDENT.

In one interview she 1) let people know that they'll only address impeachment for SERIOUS business, and 2) she banged him on the nose with the "he's just not worth it" comment. You know he'll come out swinging at that.

And now Trump is saying "Democrats hate Jewish people." Will this outrage be answered with just a shrug from the Democrats? Will Trump once again get away with another totally UNTRUE statement?

The Democrats may have won the House back last fall, but they have yet to find their spines.

Sarah would make a great hostess at The Olive Garden.

r22, don't worry about it, Bernie will never be the nominee.

Hostess? She's one hell of a customer!

I like the shade thrown, "He's just not worth it" from Madame Speaker, who is signalling that she thinks he's a total piece of shit.

"She's right. Impeachment as a tool to use out of anger or frustration is wrong and won't go anywhere other than give Trump something to crow about. She knows that there needs to be substance and compelling evidence."

So she's saying the Mueller report will have nothing damaging to say about Trump, i.e. no collusion with Russians. In other words, as DJT himself would say, this entire thing has been a witch hunt, no?

No, that’s not what she said at all, R32. Are you people garden variety trolls or just profoundly stupid?

Even if the Mueller report is a "nothing burger," as the Administration will phrase it, Trump, his kids, and his minions can bleed out and die by a thousand cuts in the next 20 months from multiple State, Federal, and Congressional investigations.

Death by a thousand cuts would be so nice.

So Nancy is pulling her "no impeachment" shit again and the news is now saying it seems likely that Trump will pardon Manafort.

What a great Monday!

Hand me the weapon R36 and I'll be happy to accommodate you.

I think Nancy has a lot of inside info about Trump's crimes and knows there's no reason to impeach him, he'll be gone soon enough.

Trump's budget came out today. Huge cuts in Medicaid and Medicare. I think Nancy knows that Dems have to be health care issue driven, not impeachment. But let the hearings keep on. The big stuff will have a bigger impact when it is discovered. But in the meantime, Dems are for the middle class.

I agree, R38. “The problem will be eliminated” without Dems getting blood on their hands. It will be like what happens on Big Brother!

It’s 7:15pm EST. Why hasn’t Stone been thrown in jail yet? Where is this decision by Judge Jackson?

I think you mean EDT

[quote]How will the GOP push this "Dems are anti-Semitic" nonsense if Bernie Sanders becomes the nominee? The Huckabeast isn't thinking ahead as usual.

Don't be so sure.

They might know the likelihood of BS getting nom is slim and so they ARE thinking ahead so they can implant the idea to dumbass Sanders supporters that the Dems stole it from him "again" because he's a Jew and so they might as well not vote or vote for Dotard because a vote for Dotard is the same as a vote for anyone else who isn't Bernie!!!

No, I meant Eastern Standard Time. But anyway, I screwed up.

Judge Jackson’s decision whether to throw Stone in jail isn’t until this Thursday

Are the Democrats coming out with a response to Trump and Fox "News" calling their party antisemitic? They need to do a reminder of all the shit repubs, Trump and Fox "News" have done in recent years. That's where they fail-the Democrats allow conservatives to set the narrative even if it's completely false. No response lets it linger for a longer time and for moderates/independents to believe it.

Nancy is smart. She didn't say no impeachment ever. She said if something really big that changed the game. She knows a lot. Don't be so sure she is setting this up for the Dems to seem reasonable (they are) and when the big shit hits the fan, and Pres Bone Spurs is shown to have committed high crimes and misdemeanors, she will look like the voice of reason (and she is).

I thought it was today as well. Thanks for the correction r44. And I've been screwing up all day. I blame that lost hour of sleep.

Democrats need to remind everyone that it's the Rethugs who constantly say there are some KKK Nazis are "good people."

and don't forget Fox "News" sometimes has as a contributor pastor Jeffries. He is on tape saying Jews cannot be saved, are going to hell and that "Hitler was part of God's plan to create Israel." This same pastor was invited by Trump to speak at the opening of the embassy in Jerusalem.

That's disgusting r49.

Thank God I don't watch FOX.

sorry it's spelled "Jeffress"

The other day that asshole Chuck Todd did a segment about Democrats "problem" with hating Jews.

Someone help me out because I can no longer keep track of all this shit.

Drumpf and company all claim Stormy, Avenatti, and Cohen are full of shit and that no hush money was ever paid to Stormy, right?

But didn't he also threaten to sue Stormy for breaking the NDA?

So..... how exactly does that work?

r53, I realize it's not logical but "it never happened and any way the little whore was asking for it" is the universal response to allegations of sexual impropriety.

Miss Graham can visit Turkey, Saudia Arabia, Israel, etc., but can't make it to decrepit South Carolina and give attention and resources to its own statewide Gaza.

Saudi^

I HATE chuck Todd and his toddler with a bad hair cut look.

[quote] R21: I posted many threads ago that plenty of old-school politicians, and maybe even Mueller himself, believe that it is the voter's right and privilege to remove Trump from office.

I’m all for Nancy’s strategy. She hasn’t actually changed position, just calmed things down -

However, if the Mueller report is week, Trump will take a victory lap with his “no collusion no collusion no collusion” mantra, and it could strengthen him. I hope Mueller realizes how Comey strengthened Trump and doesn’t repeat his mistake. If he doesn’t have anything to prosecute [italic] within his purview, [/italic] I hope he says “Trump is a slimy criminal not worthy of the American Presidency, but his crimes are out of my scope of prosecution, and I must leave it to the other prosecutors and the Congress to deal with this disgusting pig” or similar.

^Weak...

[quote] R39: Trump's budget came out today. Huge cuts in Medicaid and Medicare.

My Deplorable brother copied me on a mass email during the Obama years about Obama taking ~$700 billion from Medicare to use for Obamacare. What actually happened was Obama reduced reimbursement to providers, he didn’t cut benefits. But what is the story with this? And will the Deplorables get excited about it?

I have no patience for him anymore.

In the 116th Congress, which commenced on January 3, 2019, there are 28 Jewish members in the House and nine in the Senate. At least 36 of those are Democrats or caucus with the Democrats. So please explain to me again, why it is the Democrats who hate Jews?

[quote] R53:But didn't he also threaten to sue Stormy for breaking the NDA?

He maintains it was a private payment and not a violation of campaign finance laws.

IIRC, campaign finance laws are unusual because you have to be aware you are breaking the law and with that intent, or it isn’t illegal.

R61, Trump just says shit. Facts and evidence are immaterial.

The Manhattan Madam; the Chinese Madam in FLA. What's with all these madams?

I thought we had agreed his name has been changed to "Chuck toad"?

Chuck Toad does sound right for him. Just like Madam Yang for her.

I don't believe Nancy Pelosi would tip her hand re impeachment. I mean - why would she? It's not going to stop those calling for impeachment from continuing to call for it. The way I see it, Pelosi is totally toying with Trump. She knows something and she's just biding her time until her political instincts tell her it's time to pounce. Then Trump won't know what hit him.

yeah there are 2 ways of looking at it. Some people think Pelosi is telegraphing to us that there's not enough in the Mueller report to indict Trump (if he weren't President). The other way of looking at it is Pelosi is downplaying everything and knows there is a lot of very damaging info that will come out. Then she can pretend to act shocked and say it's time to impeach. Remember, while Mueller knows the most, members of Congress know a lot more than the public and press.

Pelosi is going to hold her cards and hold the impeachment over his head if he doesn't resign.

I don't see why people are making such a big deal out of this and the media is hyping it, using it to insist "the Democrats are divided." The Republicans trivialized the impeachment process by making it highly partisan. It is a Constitutionally mandated process for the removal of a President.

Pelosi is correct. She wants there to be compeliing evidence. That means she wants the evidence to be irrefutable and obvious so people in this country can look at what the evidence says and acknowledge that it rises to the "high crimes and misdemeanors" standard. There will always be about 30% of the public who will ignore it, but we need to make sure public opinion acknowledges the offenses for what they are.

Secondly she said Bi Partisan... and this is a must. Maybe it will only be 18 GOP Senators, maybe only a half dozen GOP House members, but we need it to be bi partisan so it doesn't look like a petty squabble or a coup. THe eyes of the world will be on us.

And third, the Republicans will use Pelosi, who the love to demonize, and Impeachment, as a battle cry to rally their base and possibly to incite violence. We cannot give in to that. They are already saying we intend to run on impeachment. But according to internal polling voters want to discuss healthcare and other issues like the Environment. Only about 22% want the Dems to run an angry, anti-Trump campaign.

She knows exactly what she is doing and anyone who thinks she is not working on the Republicans, to line them up is a fool. What she said, she said to reassure her Republican colleagues that this is not going to be a small matter. But Nancy is definitely preparing for Impeachment. She just doesn't want it to appear precipitous.

Concur r67 r68

I believe Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, Schiff, etc., (some Democrats, some Republicans) know information that hasn't been disclosed. If impeachment jumps out too far in front, new disclosures could get muddled. On this situation, building a case has to be converging. There are hundreds of small pieces to pull together for a coherent argument with irrefutetable evidence. Some of those pieces are stand alone crimes, but vulnerable to defense attacks without the tie-ins to a larger narrative(s).

Ok listen, you have oversight in the house. That didn't happen, that's why the Doj, Mueller, is investing.

That investigation in the house is separate and apart from what the house does.

Impeachment is a political act. Muellers report isn't needed.

These are weird times. But let's be clear: the house does not need muellers report.

[quote]yeah there are 2 ways of looking at it. Some people think Pelosi is telegraphing to us that there's not enough in the Mueller report to indict Trump (if he weren't President).

No one in Congress knows what’s in the Mueller report.

She’s toying with Trump. Notice she said “He’s not worth it.” Think about what that sounds like to Trump.

Judge Amy: Roger, you have been a very very naughty boy. Now go over to that chalkboard and write "I will not violate my gag order" 50 times. And I hope you learn a very valuable lesson from this.

New York AG has subpoenaed Deutsche Bank and other institutions for documents related to financing of various Trump projects, The NY Times reports tonight.

I had to search on twitter for this article as it wasn’t on the NYT front page despite being Breaking News on MSNBC.

Jeb’s found himself in a spot of campaign finance trouble, too.

Dr Dena adds, re: Jeb

[quote]This bust of Jeb’s Super PAC is just then beginning of exposing the MASSIVE amount of ILLEGAL foreign money that flowed into @GOP coffers and dark-money groups, allegedly including the #NRA.🤬 Justice is coming, my patriotic friends.😎

If I were Nancy, I'd be saying the same thing and then in the background make certain that every committee investigates Trump day and night. Publicly, I'd be saying let's focus on issues that matter to the voters like health care, social security, et al but would make certain that Trump was dying the death of a thousand cuts through new revelations each week. By 2020, it won't be worth it to impeach him. It's better to vote him out of office and then have the whole cabal arrested at the inauguration of the new Democratic president.

Nadler said that it is possible Trump might commit crimes which are "not impeachable" or that he can be impeached for actions that are not "crimes." Not sure WTF he meant.

Seth Abramson has a brilliant and relatively short thread about the Mueller report timeline.

Lying is an impeachable offense... and I guarantee you he lied on his written testimony to Mueller.

I trust Nancy. She's got this. She probably knows there will be no need to impeach. He may be removed or jailed. I'm not joking. There is no need to talk of impeachment now, anyway. It makes this too political and Nancy can say the Dems are trying to unite the country.

We need to talk nonstop about his proposed cuts to Medicare. Nonstop. Nonstop. Any convo about Dems hating Jews (TF are these people smoking? Fentanyl, Meth, Crack and LSD combined?)

You propose cutting Medicare? Proceed, Pres Bone Spurs, proceed.

R73 that is true I should have phrased it differently. Congress knows more than the public and press as they have had investigations and testimonies of classified info. So they know some of what Mueller knows from there.

That's why it's even crazier that the repubs are acting like Trump is innocent and it's all a witch hunt.

Nancy Pelosi threw some major shade at Trump by calling him 'not worth it!

Gotta love her!

I wonder what she knows about Mueller's report and the indictments of Ivanka and her creepy alien husband and the two retarded sons.

r85 She knows a lot. And she knows how to play this. When his family goes down, he will go berserk even more so for him. He's going to do something really stupid soon which will likely be his undoing. All criminals, when law is closing in, do something incredibly stupid. And he is incredibly stupid.

I agree R79.

Impeachment will only work if the senate backs it and that is simply not the case. They won't get a 2/3 majority to impeach Trump and there is no time for impeachment before the election anyway.

Trump needs to be defeated in 2020, that's the most important thing!

I see indictments coming for the very inner circle. Once Trump is out of office, whether he resigns or is voted out, they can prosecute his ass and hopefully throw him in jail.

Chris Hayes had Mehdi Hasan on from the Al Jazeera show Head to Head.

Mehdi Hasan is a damn good journalist, not afraid to ask hard questions. I wish we had more on this case like him.

This isn't the Chris Hayes link but it's another link from MSNBC gives you a taste of his brilliance.

^ talking about his interview with Erik Prince and another creepy meeting.

^ Also, Jill Wine Banks makes an appearance.

We need journalists here who will call out people like Prince was called out and called out hard. Why do our journalists just accept when they are blatantly lied to their faces and they know they are being lied to and just move on. Prince's lie was bold and he didn't give a fuck.

This is why the people in our "president's" family and himself aren't worried about Russian collusion. They have always gotten away with everything. They've never been held accountable and they don't think they will this time. They are in for a rude awakening.........

R91, I think the problem with the American reporters is that there are so many of them who are completely unprofessional that the professional ones know that if they start calling out people hard, those people will just go somewhere else to get a softball interview. All the journalists have to stick together and all of them have to go hard at the interviewees, otherwise, none of them can or they'll lose access. It's why our for-profit, corporate-owned news media doesn't work.

Wouldn’t it be something if we could elect the journalists who inform us?

Sarah is a horrid person and I wonder if she is raising horrible children?

[quote]Sarah is a horrid person and I wonder if she is raising horrible children?

You have to wonder?

Sometimes...a kid has a mind of their own.

I really hope lawyers bleed them all dry. The whole crew, are serious criminals, hard to believe no one will go to jail. 40 went to jail for Watergate and this scandal is much more serious than Watergate.

Yes, Lindsay Graham is a traitor...it could not be more obvious.

Breaking: The Mueller Investigation is financed through Semtember, with Grand Jury likely in July.

R70 stated it well. Nancy most definitely left the door open and is framing it so that everyone knows if she goes there (impeachment) it's because what's been found is irrefutable. Don't mess with my Nancy - she'll take you down.

R90. Jill Wine Banks practically lives at MSNBC and if you watch that channel you already know which pundits are more likely to use her.

I don’t see why you felt the need to point this out.

‘Get Rid of My Kids’: Trump Told Kelly to Fire His Children, Claims New Book.

Kushner Inc., a new book by journalist Vicky Ward, makes the claim that, when Trump hired John F. Kelly as his chief of staff, the president directed him: “Get rid of my kids; get them back to New York.” Ward claims that Trump complained that his daughter Ivanka and his son-in-law Jared Kushner “didn’t know how to play the game” and kept attracting negative press. Kelly reportedly said it would look bad to fire them so they decided to make life difficult enough to force Kushner and Ivanka to resign. However, the pair survived the plan and Kelly resigned in December.

R101 - what is wrong with you? What a ridiculously stupid thing to complain about. There can never be enough mention of Jill Wine-Banks.

Maybe DL news of her appearance on Chris Hayes’s show might want someone to look up Monday’s show online and watch it today to see what she had to say about the latest developments.

Stop being a hall monitor cunt.

I can't understand why some posters have so much faith in Pelosi when she's consistently let Dem victories slip away. She has experience and knows how Congress works, but can't punch things through like the Repugs. I haven't supported her since she took the Public Option off the ACA. Look at how many have suffered and died due to lack of insurance and look at how successful the Pigs were/are at chipping away at ACA basic tenets. Then Boehner took her gavel and she hasn't learned a thing.

Besides, why did she not come out and declare this back in January? I'll tell you why--because she would not have become Speaker.

This is why we are weak!

[quote]Ivanka and his son-in-law Jared Kushner “didn’t know how to play the game” and kept attracting negative press.

As opposed to all the positive press Trump attracts.

Or anyone else in that septic tank of a west wing.

R104 is a division troll.

[quote]I can't understand why some posters have so much faith in Pelosi when she's consistently let Dem victories slip away.

Rather than responding to the substance (such as it is) of this idiocy, let me just repost this message Muriel posted in yesterday's now-closed Pelosi: NO IMPEACHMENT thread:

[quote]Find the posters from Brazil, Australia and the Ukraine that are really, really interested in making sure that democrats are as divided as possible. There are 6 on this thread.

[quote]You keep falling for their shit

Alright, I am from Australia and haven't hidden that fact on other threads and do not want the democrats divided.

I really think that Nancy is playing a master chess game. You can't do impeachment without investigations. Guess what we're doing right now? Tons of investigations. For all intensive purposes, we have begun the impeachment process. Right now the general public has no appetite for impeachment. Also the House can recommend impeachment tomorrow to the Senate. There is no fucking way that will get 20 Republican senators to agree. We won't even get all of the Democrats to agree in the senate. This is the way Watergate worked. Once the evidence is overwhelming, like in Watergate, you have no choice but to recommend impeachment. If we do this too soon, it gives the Orange Shitgibbon a way to take a victory dance and declare himself innocent.

In the meantime, Democrats can continue to put their policies for 2020 out there.

Damn, I hate to be 'that guy' but I Have To: It's for 'all intents and purposes" NOT "intensive purposes".

Irregardess of what Mueller does, Trump and his family and minions will, to all intensive purposes, be plagued by a huge amount of investigations by other people.

[quote]Sometimes...a kid has a mind of their own.

HAHAHA

And why do people say "irregardless" when "regardless " is sufficient..... Seriously

Consider the source, but ... FOX's John Roberts says the Mueller report is "about to drop ... today, tomorrow, next week."

"Today! Tomorrow! Next week! 2020!"

Tuesday, Thursday, April, August, autumn, winter, next year, some year........

Oh look at 114...someone who watches fox and is reporting about it here! He must be on our side!

Jill Joyce and Barbara are the holy trinity on MSNBC. I wish Brian Williams was on earlier. I can take bad news from that handsome face

I agree, R118!!!!! I love Barbara McQuade most of all because I'm a Michigan Alum!!!!! I love Jill because she reminds me of my favorite Aunt right down to her pins. I love Joyce, because she reminds me of my best friend from college who always talked me down from my agita, and had smart sensible solutions to all my drama. I trusted her unequivocally. If I were in trouble, and I needed a really really good lawyer, McQuade would be the one.

If we don't make a move for impeachment, then Gorsuch and Kavanaugh will have it made in the shade. A fait accompli for the Dump. Are we really willing to let all of this slide? For all we know Pelosi might have some bad shit on herself! We have nothing to gain by applying the brakes now.

R120 who is this "we" that you speak of? "We" does not include you, you cookie, clearing, pathetic, obvious, troll.

The trolls are really going hog wild in this thread. Hons, you’re as transparent as Saran Wrap. The ones who are once again coming for Nancy P. are some of the most obvious.

Are you little cunts posting from a basement office in Moscow?

Is the Manafort sentencing sequel today.?

Tomorrow, I believe.

R123, today will be spent getting ready for tomorrow, tomorrow will be spent discussing what is happening, and the day after tomorrow we will reflect on what comes next....

r125, so it goes!

And now a brief musical interlude.....

Zippy (Stone) is so hard to look at. Gross.

I never expected Mueller's investigation to find anything impeachable against Trump himself. Trump is a lowlife coward. He would never get that involved in any of the schemes he and his corrupt family and friends devise. He leaves all the dirty work up to underlings and those dumb enough to do his bidding, and last but not least, take the fall for him if it's all found out.

I prefer the original Zippy. I had a Zippy t-shirt when I was a kid.

[quote] today will be spent getting ready for tomorrow

I have a good supply of lotion and tissues at the ready.

r129, which is the basis for RICO.

I personally enjoy the Wet lube, R131, manufactured in Australia and available at all fine saunas in Amsterdam .

I love the smell of racketeering in the morning!

Oh, Trump's done impeachable offenses even without the Mueller investigation. That's why the House is investigating him on so many fronts. And that is why he is trying everything he can think of to distract the Press. He has already begun his re-election campaign in ernest, months earlier than expected. In fact, campaigning is all he knows r wants to do.

Mueller is definitely going to find evidence of serious criminal wrong-doing directly involving Trump. I'm convinced of that and if you read the indictments and charges carefully, you'll see all roads are leading to Trump. Trump delegated nothing, had to know everything that was going on, or proposed, and had to agree to it. No one freelanced. And if you think his oligarch buddies didn't tell him how much Putin was helping him, etc. and he loved it, then you're delusional.

Don't get angry at Pelosi. She cannot be seen to be going after him, even if she is going after him. It's a difficult process. If she knew she had the votes in both houses she'd go with it tomorrow. She is not after symbolic empty gestures. No need to get upset. One of two things could happen: He loses the election and gets prosecuted. OR: He wins the election the Democrats win the Senate & keep the House and we go after him on January 21st 2021. He'll be gone before June, 2021. So will his VP. andNancy will be POTUS.

Look at the distraction from the conservative AUSAs in Massachusetts taking down a Hollywood liberal. The flag pin on his lapel gave it away.

I trust Pelosi, and I believe Trump will be gone soon.

I am heartened to know Muriel found trolls in the Nancy Impeachment thread. They have been going nuts here lately. I was in one thread last night and of course it was about Nancy and the trolls were almost every post. There is no way that many people on DL feel that way. Muriel found 6 on the other thread.

Listen trolls- your fucking tactics are old and we are on to you. You've tried it all. You've even tried being the posters who call out "trolls" when we can all see those posters you call out aren't trolls. You post from your shithole countries in your shithole lives. You're miserable fucking human beings. Your lives must be hell. No one feels sorry for your miserable, pathetic, poor lives.

The Mueller threads are historic and iconic, truly a living historical document.

NAncy's comment "Trump isn't worth it" was deliberately designed to piss off his base. They want to use Impeachment as an issue to mobilize and she is laughing in their faces figuratively speaking. So chill.

"Trump isn't worth it" will go down in political history as one of the most memorable phrases.

It will be classic in time.

I think if the Dems had the Senate, too, Pelosi might sing a different tune. With only the House, impeachment would be like a shot that won't hit its target. But Pelosi will continue to investigate Trump and his cronies and bring about their downfall another way.

'Trump "just" isn't worth it.'

Exactly, R142. The thing is, Impeachment really must be Bi-Partisan. We'd be removing an elected head of state. We have to make sure there's a consensus. Yes, we will get a lot more Dems than Republicans, but we need to get "enough" Republicans for it to be considered Bi-Partisan. The Republican Senate loves to point to Manchin and say "bi- partisan." But that's not quite what it means. Even if we have a majority in both houses we'll need at least a half dozen Republican Senators to be respectable. Pelosi is hoping his crimes will be serious enough to sway public opinion, and that will help ove a few GOP to our side.

I have a question about impeachment. Let’s say that the fat bastard does eventually get impeached by both the House and the Senate, does it end there? In other words, can the pig then fight it and it ends up to ba a Supreme Court decision?

Can she or the dems at least say "he SHOULD be impeached but the republicans will never let it happen"? Let the people know what he has done is wrong and illegal? I'm sure there's a big picture plan here and I love Nancy but I think it comes off weak sometimes. I dunno, maybe it's better for it to come out of nowhere.

R145 yes for question 1. No question 2.

The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over a trial in the Senate, which follows impeachment by the House. There is no Supreme Court appeal option on a Senate vote for removal.

R146 Yes, you are right. But note also the distorting media will frame it the way they want no matter what Pelosi says. If she blames the Republicans explicitly, they will make her look whiny.

They can frame it how they want. We know the truth.

r145, please use the correct terminology.

He gets impeached by the House.

He gets convicted/removed by the Senate.

I have been wondering if Nancy Pelosi's statement about not wanting to impeach Trump unless something more serious is discovered, is a challenge to Mueller to force him to indict Trump. Now Mueller knows if he thinks Trump should be removed from office he needs to take action himself, he can't just rely on Congress to act after he releases his report.

Ken Dilanian tries again.

[quote]New: @NYTmike best guess: The Mueller report lands sometime in the next month or so.

if Mueller can't indict Trump, because if DOH policies, he can give Nancy a list of crimes that she can follow up on to investigate or use for impeachment proceedings. Nancy knows very well from the Clinton impeachment fiasco, where Newt thought he was king of the universe, that if you come to kill the king, you had better not miss

The idea of this man finishing out his term is quite possibly an even bigger stain on American history than him becoming president in the first place. I know it would look like some big feat to vote him out but that's not how this is supposed to work. It isn't the voter's responsibility to vote out criminals. That's why we have laws. Don't get me wrong, if voting him out after one term is all we have, I'll take it...but it's sending the wrong message and practically begging for it to happen again.

I want the cancer to extracted to the point where anyone would be scared shitless to attempt this sort of mess.

Ok, 154 again. Mueller is working out of the executive branch. Pelosi is part of the legislative branch.

The legislative branch, through its oversight abilities, can investigate the president.

The republican controlled house refused to investigate comey's firing.

Mueller was hired through the executive branch to investigate, as a compromise.

The house has opened investigations now.

The house does not need muellers report to file impeachment articles. In fact Democrats have filed articles of impeachment while the Rs controlled the house.

Pelosi, schiff and others Dems now in control have hired fantastic lawyers to help the house with myriad investigations.

In short, the house does not need muellers report to impeach or indict people.

I don't know why I just wrote a book, but people are forgetting that the house is investigating all trumps shit.

[quote]"Trump isn't worth it" will go down in political history as one of the most memorable phrases.

[quote]It will be classic in time.

I absolutely loved her for saying that! Nancy Pelosi, sassiest shade thrower in history.

I think she knows to some extend what Mueller has and that there will be indictments.

I am posting from Australia BTW, Sydney; and I hope Muriel can see that I am definitely not part of the division trolls.

We're trying to get rid of our corrupt hardliner Christian government too but luckily we have mandatory voting (on weekends) and paper ballots.

Love the responses to Dilanian's latest "prediction."

We are all over thinking the Nancy statement. The media is doing their usual analyzing it to death. Every time the Dems, or one or two, Dems do something the media and of course the right wing just run with it like they've just extracted a heart and need to get it to the transplant recipient in 2.7 seconds.

I've been seeing trolls going to town here lately so I can imagine how bad it is on FB and Twitter. Just look at the Biden thread. There are people, trolls of course, who still say shit like, "I will only support him if he does x, y , z" or "He's too old and of course he is white and male" and other eye rolling shit in their not so clever toolbox.

We have to all realize white people are not the problem- it is conservatives. Conservatives all over the world, no matter the color, act the exact same way.

Stay strong DL. Muriel is onto them. We know things will get worse before they get better. The fucking media needs to stay focused and quit acting like a 9 year old who has ADHD.

[quote]We have to all realize white people are not the problem- it is conservatives.

I'd be even more specific: religious fundamentalists are the problem, and in the US they're a bigger part of the white Protestant population than of any other. But there are also fundamentalists in other Christian groups and among Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc.—and they tend to support Trumpism, even the Muslims!

I find it hilarious that Felicity Huffman was indicted and in federal custody before Jared

It does bother me that all Democrats are suppose to worry about the racist Deplorables. We can not help what those monsters and fools think and do. We need to sweep those pigs out of the way whenever possible. Should we really consider goddamn Nazi pigs?

r161 I agree but I consider them as part of the umbrella of being conservative. Conservatism is toxic, whether religious or not. Whatever the motivation, conservatism is the root problem. We need to just take the white part out. Conservatives hate white people who are liberal or women.

Jared is an international criminal from a crime family, yet he runs free, while Huffman is in serious trouble for spending $15 thousand dollars for what? An education that her kid probably does not even care about. It's a crazy world.

More and more I hate Israel...I thought Netanyahu was indicted? Both Netanyahu and Trump, lousy shithead criminals, what an awful world with Netanyahu, Dummy Trump and Putin in charge while we all sit around and do nothing while 3 criminals destroy our world.

Not everyone is sitting around doing nothing. If you think you are, and feel bad for it, then get up and do something.

So what's Rudy up to lately?

r166 We are doing something. We are following our system of check and balances. The Dems have to make up for 2 years of the repugs doing absolutely nothing and letting criminals run wild.

It is just remarkable, in a bad way, how conservatives really only care about being in power. They want their judges in place for instances like this Judge Ellis who was supposed to be "one of the good ones" but turned out that when push came to shove, he was your typical conservative.

Why do sociopaths flock to conservatism? (That was rhetorical but feel free to add your theories).

Did you all hear? This college cheating story is the biggest scandal of the year!

On NPR: Nancy Pelosi quietly takes back Pence's office in the HOR.

The link is too long to post in the Web Site Link box. Any ideas how to circumvent that?

The Web Site Link box, not Nancy snatching back office space.

I posted it here, R170.

Thank you, R171.

De rien, R170/172.

L. Graham pressuring and scolding fellow Senators that they MUST vote against the bill that opposes Trump's emergency funding declaration, is absurd. Each Senator has one vote on a matter the same as he does. One would think other Senators would resent him lecturing them about what he demands. Graham craves attention, camera and TV appearances, and the media chasing him around the Capital building. His sychophant behavior over Trump is extreme. He just spent a load of taxpayer money to spend the weekend with Netanyahu. He's not the Secretary of State or the Defense Secretary, or special envoy. Isn't doing a Middle East plan Jared Kusher's WH job, as scandal ridden as it is? At some point, Graham is going to crash.

Rudy Giuliani is well on his way to being a "Hogan's Heroes" hybrid: Colonel Klink who knows "NUTTINK!"

Lindsey is obnoxious and vile, but I have to wonder if he holds any power over his peers to coerce them into voting to support an unconstitutional act by Trump that undermines and nullifies their own role in the budget process.

Mike Flynn wants another 90 days before sentencing. Rachel just got the filing.

Dorsey giving aid and comfort to fascists.

[quote] R104: I haven't supported her since she took the Public Option off the ACA. Look at how many have suffered and died due to lack of insurance and look at how successful the Pigs were/are at chipping away at ACA basic tenets.

Every Senator’s vote was needed, and Sen. Lieberman, from [italic] the Insurance State [/italic] of Connecticut, wouldn’t vote for the bill with the public option in it. It had to go, or the bill would not have passed the Senate.

[quote] Damn, I hate to be 'that guy'

No you don’t. You love it.

[quote] R157: In short, the house does not need muellers report to impeach or indict people.

A thorough Mueller Report should be a roadmap to further House investigation and subsequent impeachment.

What is with Jack Dorsey and his fucking beard? Does he have a sense of humor? Does he ever smile? Is he a conservative? A Proud Boy? What’s with that fucking half-buzzed haircut and beard combo? Is he like 32 years-old?

I know almost nothing about him. Sorry for the OT comment.

In other news, real mega studs David Farenthold and Jeremy Bash are discussing the NYAG investigations on hung stud Brian Williams’ show now. I’m pinching my nipples and precumming.

Pelosi stated that the Public Option was off the table even BEFORE negotiations started. This then became the new starting point of future negotiations. She managed to preempt the Public Option so no one would bring it up and the Pigs would feel less partisan. Please note, that as history has dictated from this one instance, that NOTHING beneficial to Dems occurred from this . Once the Repigs took over, they tried to repeal ACA over a dozen times! Am I right? The only meat on the bone of ACA is pre-existing conditions.

Don't defend the indefensible. Pelosi will fuck up and ruin this opportunity to put a stake in Trump Inc.

This is why we are weak!

“I believe that many, including many in the press, have done the country a disservice by creating the impression that when he gets done, Mueller is going to write this scathing, lengthy report detailing what an asshole the president is, even if he’s not a criminal,” says Paul Rosenzweig, a senior fellow at the R Street Institute think tank who was a senior counsel on the Whitewater investigation. “If my thesis about Mueller is right, then that’s just not happening.”

John Q. Barrett, a law professor at St. John’s University who served as an associate counsel on the Iran-Contra investigation, agrees. “They are not going to get a narrative, multi-hundred-page, factually organized, appended-documents road map from Mueller,” Barrett says. “Mueller might send a five-page memo to [Attorney General William] Barr, saying, ‘I got a guilty plea from these people, and I didn’t charge these ones.’”

We don't need a report to prove that Trump is a criminal and a traitor, all the world has already seen what a monster he is.

Netanyahu is a criminal and at this point I do not support Israel. I hope that America will soon wake up to how Israel uses us and mainly how the criminal Netanyahu uses us.

You are a fucking fool at r184...or were you joking?

R186 = Ilhan Omar

No R184, that is why you are weak. The rest of us are just fine.Be gone before someone drops a house on you.

Dear R186, being born and raised in a Democracy I am able to distinguish between a country and its temporarily elected leader. Israel isn’t Netenyahu any more than America is Trump. I hope that both men die in jail, BECAUSE I support both countries.

May there be peace with justice for all in the Holy Land and may America crush that viper Putin.

Happy Wednesday.

We should get Manafort's sentence today fairly early. I believe the hearing was suppose to begin at 9:30am eastern. Let's hope the judge sentences the full ten years and runs in consecutively.

This Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft scandal could certainly do some damage to Trump if he's not careful. Most of the world has banned the planes from their fleets and several countries have even banned the planes from their airspace. After Boeing spoke with Trump, the US is one of the few countries not to ban the aircraft. Boeing knows there is a problem with the software and have a complete update scheduled for April which was delayed because of the government shutdown. If two planes have crashed and numerous other pilots have reported the same thing AND Boeing is admitting there is an issue with the software, why are the planes still in service in the US? Something smells Trumpy here, yet again. Most corrupt administration ever!!!

Follow the money, R191. Follow the money.

I repeat: To understand Trump, follow the money.

The article quoted at R184 is bullshit.

I have a crush on elder lez, and I'm not a lez!

Manafort is groveling. He told Ellis he was "ashamed," and appeared in a jumpsuit. Today he is in a business suit, talkin about how sorry he is and asking them to "please let me be with my wife. I'm 70 years old..." So, FYI: If you are a white man, you can blow through tens of millions of dollars, lie, cheat, and steal, betray your country, conspire to defraud the American people by interfering in our elections, destroy the reputation of opponents, have then imprisoned in the Ukraine with chants to "lock her up!" and lie to prosecutors, etc.etc., continuing to deal with you corrupt business interests even from jail, and all you have to do is get theatrical, and say, "I'm so sorry!" and you get a ridiculously light sentence and end up with a Presidential pardon and a free condo.

R194. A night on the town with Elder Lez would be fun and I don't drink.

I have all of my college text books in my car headed over to the court house if the judge need any extra books to throw at Manafort He can die in prison and that is all the compassion I can muster for him

I know this is mean and vindictive but I hope he gets the maximum sentence.

Religions allows you the same "rights". Do horrendous things, ask for forgiveness and poof! All is good. This is the mantra of deplorables. They know no better.

By the time the Mueller Report is received by Congress after Barr does his pro-Trump alterations that could lead to court challenges over disclosures; and by the time key committees in the House complete their interviews and secure and review documents from subpoenas, and they report their findings; and by the time the SDNY has issued only "partial" indictments of what they are investigating; it will already be in year 2020. And that's being optimistic.

Judge Amy: Manafort is not Public Enemy #1, but not a victim either. Both sides are guilty of hyperbole.

My prediction: 4 years, to be served concurently with Ellis's sentence.

MSNBC pundit says it looks like a concurrent sentence. Concurrent with each other and the 47 months. So five years.

Yuck. You can get away with anything now.

Personally, I believe Pelosi's "no impeachment" comments are meant as much to give Trump and his people a level of false confidence as anything else. When people like that think they're in the clear they're more apt to screw up even more since they think they're getting away with it.

Ol' Nance, crazy, like a fox.

Can’t wait to hear Manafort has been murdered in prison by Russian thugs.

Sorry trying to follow he got five year?

Give 'em enough rope ...

Judge Amy: not convinced Paulie is sufficiently remorseful. But will she give him more than time than a 4 year concurrent sentence, as I predict?

Ugh for the first count, something less than five years, with 30 months of it served concurrently with the 47 months from earlier.

43 months. Seven years in all.

7.5 years total with Ellis.

UGH.

I love the earlier Russian troll’s urepeated use of “Repigs” all to end up saying how weak Pelosi and the Democrats are.

Sorry MSNBC, but I am going to watch CNN for the next hour...Andrea Mitchell is insufferable.

He'll get out when he's 75. Maybe sooner with good behavior.

You can get away with anything apparently.

It clearly pays to be an old, white man in the justice system. He's still a fucking traitor.

7.5 is on the tougher end of the sentencing guidelines. Good.

R217, Jackson didn't give him 7.5 years. She gave him 43 months. 7.5 is that 43 plus Ellis's 47.

It could have been 14 years total had she given the max of ten years (2 five year sentences consecutive) and made it consecutive to Ellis's 43 months.

7.5 instead of a possible 14.

Don't tell me there's no rich white privilege in the criminal justice system.

Outrageous. No justice.

Not as light as I predicted (4 years, concurrently), but still a good deal for Paulie. He really has skated. And poor Weissman gets shit on by TWO judges for all his fantastic work.

Now it's time for Judge Amy to slap Roger Stone's wrist again with a stern talking to.

Ken Dilanian is smiling like crazy. Kompromat.

I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere in these threads that Judge Amy Berman Jackson is the mother of JEOPARDY winner and All Star Matt Jackson.

Ellis rules on the $24 million in penalties and restitution next week.

I expect it to be reduced to a $40 fine.

This comedy of errors IS NOT OVER....all of these crooks, Manafort, Flynn, etc will be charged again when the actual conspiracy case is unveiled...thats why every single case has not mentioned any "collusion"...and its been emphasized by the judges.

State charges please.

Does he go directly to prison now

R222 what did Judge Jackson say about Weissman?

If fat ass pardons him, that’s an impeachable offence. So, in other words, he will. How do the deplorables not see what’s going on?

This probably sounds like a troll post but if I were black, I’d be pissed as hell. This vividly points out the lack of justice in this country. WHITE, rich and privileged are treated way different. His crimes warranted a much longer punishment.

I hope R226 is correct...... that this ain’t over.

She claimed Weissmann was just as overly hyperbolic in his request as Downing.

don't worry, they'll throw the book at Felicity Huffman & Lori Loughlin just to show that rich white people don't get off easy

Stone is likely getting another free pass this week, MSNBC pundit says.

Huh. White judges, man.

WHITE CONSERVATIVE MEN'S LIVES MATTER, people! Why do you want him persecuted like this when he was just living his life? damn!

I want bloody heads on pikes, dammit!

Every last one of these traitors needs their head on a stake in front of the WH.

This slap on the wrist bullshit is bullshit!

Breaking: Manfort indicted by Manhattan DA.

State charges.

😂😂😂😂😂😂 thanks, NY!

Your wish is granted r227! Mine, too.

Hahahaha, so Manafort stays in prison even if he’s pardoned.

R242, as long as he's going for in NY.

If Manafort gets pardoned I believe (hope) he’ll be trading his comfy bed in club fed for a cell at Rikers.

That made my day. I hope that NY will get him by the balls.

Paul Manafort has been indicted by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, according to court documents obtained by NBC News.

Manafort was indicted on 16 counts tied to residential mortgage fraud and conspiracy, according to Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance.

Word of the indictment came less than an hour after Manafort, President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, was sentenced to an additional 43 months in prison by a Washington federal judge on conspiracy charges brought by special counsel Robert Mueller.

I would like Ivanka to be stripped naked and then made to do a “Shame!” walk from the Capitol to the White House with people throwing rotten fruit and rocks at her along the way.

She should have her head shaven, too. Like those "horizontal collaborators" who slept with Nazis.

Get him, New York!

Put his shriveled balls in a vice and squeeze them until he screams.

R247 like ancient Roman tribute? lol

White guys are just plain smarter. They screw people and the government out of millions but they look cleaner and lighter and don't have funky accents. They should do way less time.

R237 is correct.

Was that true about Manafort being indicted in NY?

The thing is, Ivanka and Melanie are both liars and grifters...just like the guys in the family.

The judge issue a sentence yet?

R253, it’s on the front page of The NY Times right now.

[quote]Was that true about Manafort being indicted in NY?

Yes.

when is ugly, fat, evil Corsi going down?

MSNBC is not even breaking the story. : ( Are we sure this is true?

With the NY indictment, Manafort will die in prison, the death of a thousand 4 year sentences.

Martina Navratilova on Twitter....

R259 they talked about it right after talking about his sentencing today and how double jeopardy likely won't apply and how it's an insurance policy this bastard goes to jail even if Trump gives him a federal pardon

I knew the the judge would not issue a huge sentence today and I hoped that New York would do what it did. Thank god we can still get out from under pardons.

The reason Republicans do not use Identity Politics for themselves id because they really have only two identities:

Old white racists and old white non racists.

The old white racists are in the vast Republican majority.

Does he get to wear his ostrich skin jacket in prison?

R264 in the republican mind, white/heterosexual/male/xtian is "standard/normal" American culture and therefore anyone arguing against that is using identity politics. That's what's so damn annoying is their arrogance and bigotry in taking ownership of what the US "should be". In reality everything repubs argue is identity politics

[quote]Are we sure this is true?

Yes, it is. From MSNBC:

What have the republicans said about manafort sentences?

Senator weigh-in

Or course Lindsey Graham had to comment early.

Says it would be a political disaster to pardon Manafort now. Suggests waiting on Manafort's application on it when the politics change.

What about Manafort's crimes and Trump would be committing more alleged obstruction of justice, Senator Graham?

But...but...he’s led such an otherwise blameless life!

Good time to bring back this clip...

LOL, “when the politics” change. When the fuck will that happen, Lindz?

I keep going back to the whole Trump cabal leading the crowds in rounds of "Lock Her Up" and then any tinge of pity I might feel for these MF just fades away. Lock THEM up and throw away the fucking key.

WSJ's Rebecca Balhaus:

Big: Matthew Whitaker was involved in discussions about whether SDNY “went too far” in its campaign-finance investigation & about whether to fire U.S. attorneys. Whitaker also didn’t deny that Trump called him to discuss the Cohen probe.

In an insanely busy news day, I think that story about Whitaker will turn out to be the most important.

Manatee is a horrible human being and a traitor yet he led an otherwise good life? WHAT? Then Berman- Jackson, who has been far too soft on the vile Stone, doesn't give him the max. Remember the sentencing docs the prosecutors presented about Manatee, how damning they were in spelling out what scum he is? And she was appointed by Obama!

It pays to be a conservative, rich male in this world.

There is always too much breaking news. This is why it is hard for the average person to know what is going on and how serious all of this is. I know plenty of liberal leaning people who have no clue what is going on because they just tune it all out because it is "always something every day".

Conservatives are really showing themselves to be straight up sociopaths.

HE FORCED HIS BRAIN DAMAGED WIFE TO PARTICPATE IN GANG BANGS.

He is garbage.

r277, he's white, rich, and has connections. He's a treasured member of the elite. We are just peasants who don't know any better.

The reason, well one of them, I don't ever listen to any deplorable and don't care what they think is this- who the fuck would ever believe Pres Bone Spurs is for or cares for the avg working stiff? They all HATE the coastal elites and he is the epitome of them but in the worst way. They are so easily conned it is breath-taking. He blatantly puts in the swampiest of the swamp and they don't flinch. He pushes through another huge tax cut for the rich and they don't flinch all while their returns are less or about the same. He golfs all the time and has taken more time off than even W. Now, he proposes cuts to Medicare. They don't flinch. They are easily the stupidest and most easily conned people the world has ever seen.

It was revealed by a series of emails released by CNN Wednesday, that pardons may have been dangled for Michael Cohen. In an email exchange, President Donald Trump’s attorney Bob Costello told Cohen to “sleep well” and reminded him that he has “friends in high places.”

According to a statement to the Daily Beast, Costello was simply quoting Garth Brooks lyrics.

“To repeat myself, Michael Cohen and his counsel’s interpretation of events is utter nonsense,” Costello said. “This statement: ‘Sleep Well tonight, you have friends in high places’ was a tongue-in-cheek reference to a Garth Brooks song, to a client whose state of mind was highly disturbed and had suggested to us that he was suicidal. We were simply trying to be decent human beings. There is no hidden message.”

The retrograde suggestion of kindness toward a fictional suicide scenario seems like gaslighting at its finest.

[quote]don't worry, they'll throw the book at Felicity Huffman & Lori Loughlin just to show that rich white people don't get off easy

Yeah. It's the rich white MEN. Even in that case, they didn't charge Huffman's husband, William Macy, even though he knew all about it and was on the recorded phone calls. Being rich, white and male must feel like being a god, huh?

Anyone have any knowledge of how fast the New York courts work? Are we talking years before Manafort is in court and convicted of these new charges? Months?

Mika will have it figured out by 6 am, if she shows.

Trump should be impeached just for the 8000+ lies he’s told, so far, since inauguration. It shouldn’t matter that he’s nobeen under oath. This is not 10 lies, or white lies, this is all the time lies.

It truly is challenging to keep up. I agree with other posters, I think the story that carries the day is Whitaker. I just KNEW he was full of shit. I wouldn’t be surprised if after he finished his post as AG that the FBI has a sit down with him. They reminded him what is going to happen to him if he doesn’t lay off the fucking bullshit. That bald sweaty bitch is scared, as well he should be, this is no fucking joke, we are coming for you Mattie!!!!!!

From now on, just know the real enemy. They aren't white people. They aren't men. They aren't the religious. They are conservatives. It is clear, in every country in the world, conservatives are just fucked up. It is never about the greater good. It is all about preserving things for themselves and controlling others.

[quote]I think that story about Whitaker will turn out to be the most important.

Whita-what now?

Does anyone think Manafort can also be indicted for war crimes?

R287, see r274

Michael Cohen Has Email Showing Trump Obstructed Justice by Dangling Pardon

R286, agreed.

Sorry, R286. I'll go along with it not always being whites because there are evil people in all the countries of the world. I'll go along with it not always being the religious because there are a few religions that do actually promote peace. But, it is almost always men the world over.

[quote]I wouldn’t be surprised if after he finished his post as AG that the FBI has a sit down with him.

They may already have. Anyway, he’s been gone from the DoJ for a while now. I think there was reporting today that said he’s no longer working for the government in any capacity? I could be wrong about that. But he’s definitely completely gone from the AG offices.

I think come spring a couple of million of us should get together in D.C. and fill the whole city with the words, IMPEACH TRUMP NOW!

Seen on twitter: [to the music of RENT]

526,000 indictments...

Five hundred twenty six thousand criminal indictments...

Kellyanne leaked that DJT does take a break from viewing Fox in the mornings to watch Bubbles, Buttercup, and Blossom, the Powerpuff Girls. That's with breakfast in his room.

[quote]Sorry, [R286]. I'll go along with it not always being whites because there are evil people in all the countries of the world. I'll go along with it not always being the religious because there are a few religions that do actually promote peace. But, it is almost always men the world over.

Right, almost!

Could someone please enlighten me? If Manafort is convicted in NY's state court system on essentially the same charges, how is that not double jeopardy? I'm guessing the charges are NOT identical, therefore valid? Then how different do the charges need to be, in order to be considered valid? I want him to fry in his own stanky oil, along with every other treasonous hench(wo)man in Trump's orbit, but I am confused about how our wonderful legal system works.

Most of the people I know who support Trump do so for two reasons 1) They are afraid of the browns. 2) The Babies, the poor unborn babies being murdered. It is either of those issues that has them laser focused. The rest is all noise to them.

KellyAnne's hubby went on an anti-Trump tweetstorm last night, ending with "Whether or not impeachment is in order, a serious inquiry needs to be made about this man’s condition of mind."

Donald is soooo thin-skinned, I would think the mere presence of KellyAnne would be too much for him to bear at this point. Very odd.

R299 Rachel Maddow had a good discussion on this last night with Joyce Vance. There is a possibility that a state court could throw out the new charges based on double jeopardy. That will most likely be Manafort's first defense. However, there are crimes at the state level that do not exist at the Federal level such as Mortgage Fraud. As Joyce explained, the same act can have different crimes associated with it. Manafort has plead guilty to many illegal acts so defending him will be difficult if they can get past the double jeopardy issue.

r294, Ms. Nancy won't like that.

R301 I posted something similar a few days ago. I too find it strange that he allows KellyAnn to continue with George going off on his so frequently and so strongly. Trump went after people's spouses in regards to McCabe and Bruce Ohr. He argued that they could have positions in his administration in part because their spouses were doing anti-Trump activities such as running as a democrat or working for GPS Fusion. So how can he remain silent about KellyAnn's husband. All seems very strange to me. Is KellyAnn giving Trump an Asian rub-N-tug? Is George all a big scheme to attract attention elsewhere? Trump isn't thick skinned enough to let it that George writes slide. Something is going on here...

Has anybody ever thought that maybe Kelly Ann and hubby might be doing a "good cop" "bad cop" routine?

just askin'

Yes, everybody has, R305 -- my question is, why is Trump putting up with it?

The only thing I can think of is that he's putting up with it *very* reluctantly. It must kill him to have to keep quiet.

Perhaps DJT "grabbed" something....George was told, and is not happy about it.

Mitt Romney announces he will vote for the the resolution of disapproval for the president's emergency declaration.

Romney is the sixth Republican senator to say he will vote for the resolution of disapproval.

Ooh, no! Jacob Wohl is at it again!

David, please please please don't fake it next time.

From r310's link

[quote] “It confirms that he’s not operating at a level where there’s useful misinformation, but kind of stupid, vanity-filled, ego-fueled disinformation,” Alexander said. “And that won’t look good for Jacob.”

Useful misinformation?

why is every fuckin' thing that is happening in this country now tied to Trump? he can't be gone too soon...........

From R510's link:

"Right-wing personality Jacob Wohl appears to have faked death threats against himself and submitted them to police as evidence that he was facing “terroristic threats,” according to newly released documents."

Isn’t that what got Jussie Smollet into the mess he’s in?

Trump calling Cohen a rat was a signal to get him when he gets to jail

R314, you'd think that'd be worth at least a dozen or so felony charges.

Trump and his criminal cronies will be a 10th Amendment master class.

fuck I hope Wohl goes to jail. He's a real piece of shit bratty repub nutjob

The judge will let him off because he's a white male rethug.

So misunderstood these pricks

Why is he in a wheelchair?

Because he is, Blanche....

R320, "declining health"

The Kelly Ann/George thing goes to show you that KellyAnn has the reciepts on Grump. She worked for Ted Cruz first. He can’t do anything against her.

Which of these thugs will pull a "Ken Lay" and conveniently "die" at an appropriately opportune time?

In an interview with Breitbart, Trump said he has the military, the police and bikers on his side. And he said, "it would be very bad, very bad," if they got tough.

told ya that was why he was building the military

Good God I hope something big happens tomorrow but I guess Mueller doesn’t want to play into the hands of the Ides of March loonies.

r325 Pres Bone Spurs is full of shit..........

The military hates him. Police secretly want more gun laws. He might have the bikers though. There is that.

Wohl's false report looks like just a misdemeanor in Minnesota.

Bikers and convicts LOVE Trump! He attracts all the best people.

[quote]He might have the bikers though. There is that.

Hell's Angels for Trump. Yes, that's about his moral and cultural level. Maybe a White House event with too much fast food? They could all discuss the Angels' historic contribution at Altamont. Such very fine people!

R328 I have a friend in the Air Force. Sadly some people in the armed services, just like some regular Americans, do not closely follow the news. He told me there is still decent amount of support for Trump because they think he gave them a raise, even though that's controlled by Congress.

What’s a “decent amount” r332? Does your friend believe it’s more than 50 percent?

[quote] Does your friend believe it’s more than 50 percent?

80+ % is more likely

There actually is a Bikers for Trump group. Formed during the 2016 campaign, these right wing loons were responsible for a lot of the intimidation and roughing up of reporters at Trump's rallies. Now they call for their members to patrol the Mexican border, battle against socialists, etc. On their FB page, they claim 80,000 members. Hopefully, this will blow up in Trump's face.

The military cringes at his name. They hate him.

[quote]The military cringes at his name. They hate him.

Well, the brass certainly does.

Donald O'Trump at the WH today. Green tie, shamrocks in his pocket, even his hair looks kinda green. In the video linked here, he of all people criticizes Beto O'Rourke's hand movements or something.

He just looks like fuckin' Baby Huey.

[quote]these right wing loons were responsible for a lot of the intimidation and roughing up of reporters at Trump's rallies.

Do they wear brown shirts?

[quote]Most of the people I know who support Trump do so for two reasons 1) They are afraid of the browns. 2) The Babies, the poor unborn babies being murdered. It is either of those issues that has them laser focused. The rest is all noise to them.

Yeah, R300, there is no reaching someone that damaged. It seems the majority doesn't really care why someone willingly lets organized crime fuck them in the ass, but we don't want to be part of it.

Holy crap - there have been 88 parts here, I wonder what the largest part thread is in DL history.

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I assume the majority of (white) military people support Trump, simply because he acts tough and there's a false idea—even after W!—that the Republicans are better at military policy, but I wonder if he'll lose support by cutting VA funding, especially if all his new military spending trickled away to corporations instead of down to the rank and file.

I can't believe we have to wait until fucking November until Stone goes to trial. That's an eternity!!!! Hopefully we get some more indictments between now and then to satisfy us. 8 whole months of waiting for that fucker to finally face justice is just too far away

Waiting for deplorables to find enlightenment will be futile. Demand justice and outvote them.

I am confused, I thought Roger Stone was going to court today? Am I losing my mind?

Ms. Lindz is at it again. See what she did today.

R347 he did go to court today and the judge set the trial date for November

November? I will probably be dead my November. Is the little turd going to be spreading lies the whole time?

Trump threatened us all today and no one said a thing...he threatened all who disagree with him. He threatened us with the military, with the police for Trump and with the Bikers for Trump. If people can not see that he is a Hitler like criminal, why not. I want to sue him for these threats.

2016 Graham: Russians hacked my campaign email account

I'd wager most of us here at the DL could outrun Trump's fat, old, grizzled bikers. His motorcycle panzer battalion is pretty much like him.

Why is this allowed?! Honestly, why does congress stand by and do nothing?

"Today, the president encouraged the police and the military to violently attack his political opponents

To me that seems like a big deal

But it's not even mentioned in the top portion of the NYT, WashPost, WSJ or USA Today websites"

Trump really needs to stop expecting he's getting all this A-list support. At best, he might get a Buford T. Justice-type sheriff.

So the judge let Stone the lowlife run his mouth with no consequences?

The bullies Trump talks about have guns. Most intelligent people know better than to own guns.

I am looking for a lawyer.

Bone Spurs contemplation......?

So, DJT as Commander and Chief is going to order the U.S. military to attack and subdue 56% of the American people under newly appointed 5-star General, Miss Lindsey. They are to be joined by state and local police, biker gangs, and fascist militias. Then one may suppose Erik Prince's mercenary army will show up and demolish resistance until Putin's armed forces arrive and restore order for the Trump-Kushner dictatorship.

Pencie and 'Mother' embark on the "final solution" of the LGBT community and abortion service providers.

It. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

Seth Abramson once again runs down the reasons NOT to believe the Mueller investigation is close to complete.

This is probably not relevant, but does anyone else find it odd that Tiffany Trump has spent her entire spring break week in Belgrade of all places? with her new bf, some Nigerian trust fund kid. Is Serbia really the big hot spot this time of year?

The entire family has weird vacation habits. eg.,Ivanka and her Croatian getaway break, just days after giving birth. They have a thing for obscure eastern european spots.

Trump plans to make full use of the Neo Nazi groups around the nation. They are stock piling bombs and weapons, ready to shoot and kill families who do not vote for republicans and Trump. There are many White supremacist groups who are just waiting for Trump to say the word.

I know most people here believe I am being a foolish alarmist, I wish I were just being silly and wrong.

The Trump family are Russian agents...I thought we all knew that.

Do you really think the minority is that large, R363? Enough fear-mongering bullshit. It's as bad as Trump's attempts.

If some right-wing freaks take to the streets with guns they will be shot down like the rabid animals they are. Problem solved.

What’s the latest on the Cindy Yang front?

You're right r365. But there will be unrest. More domestic terrorism. They're a cult.

And the only reason he would have the support of any group would be racism. The Hells are notoriously racist.

I hope I am wrong but I have my eyes open to the real possibilities and it is very obvious that no one is stopping Trump. Putin runs Trump and Putin wants our demise as a country. For some reason educated people believe everything is under control.

[quote]What’s the latest on the Cindy Yang front?

Jesus Christ, I'd already forgotten about her. I feel like the news is pouring out faster than it can be reported these days.

Let's not forget: Nothing in the Steele Dossier has been proven false but a good percentage has been proven true.

R371

R370 Let's also remember that Ivanka has been awarded a series of trademarks for "Spas" and "Escort Services" in China. There is some nasty shit going on in this administration but we're becoming numb to it. Some of my most conservative friends who voted for Trump are always screaming about Sexual Traffickers. Calling Ivanka Trump and Cindy Yang.

R369

No you don't hope you're wrong, R369. You'd revel in it.

How would it work? We all want him out yesterday and I have no doubt there is enough evidence to remove him, but there might be a school of thought that says the most peaceful way is to cross fingers for now and prevent him from running for a second term. I notice Romney's name has turned up again.

I LOVE that YET ANOTHER piece of the dossier has been proven true. Rachel had a good piece on it tonight.

Is the piss tape the only yet to be verified portion of the Steele Dossier?

Cohen expressed he believed the pee pee incident with tapes did not happen. Was he in Moscow with Tump in 2013, or is he stating what Trump told him about it and believes him?

I tend to believe the Steele Intel. The story sounds too unusual to be made-up.

Why did you post that disgusting picture, sicko like Trump?

Rick Wilson on CNN:

"His swag-bellied bikers"

Listen, if Erik Prince has his way, Trump will have a private military force to do his bidding and the repayment will be enormous government contracts for mercenaries from the Department of Defense. When Trump makes these threats he must be taken seriously. He has proven repeatedly he will do what he threatens or he will make an attempt. THis is not the first time he's threatened violence or retribution of some kind for his political enemies. Hiring lawyers and suing him is bullshit. He's playing by a different set of rules. His rules. He believes he is above the law, and he can do WTF ever he pleases. So far, he has got away with it. I want to see federal marshals walk into the White House, and with the assistance of the Secret Service, march his fat ass out in handcuffs. The media needs to stop pretending this fucker is our duly elected president. He needs to be treated like the thug bastard he is.

So... Take it to the streets, huh?

r378 The dossier says Cohen visited Prague. Cohen denies it and so far there is no evidence that he was in Prague.

R383, if you're referring to my post, I'm not suggesting we "take it to the streets." Trump would love an excuse to declare martial law and suspend the Constitution. He has been heading that way for at least 18 months. But I am saying we better elect enough Senators and House members to stop this bastard in his tracks if he should remain in the WH after 2020.

R382, do you believe Erik Prince is invested enough in Trump inc to mount a defence? It's crossed my mind but I can't see Prince doing it for free or even on account and I also think Erik Prince is exponentially more wealthy than Trump. I have trouble believing Erik Prince would do anything without $$$$$$$

r384...well, its been confirmed his phone was....and as far as Cohen and any public admission of that fact, you would have to be out of your mind to think he would admit to it publicly. He was in Prague...he was there to pay off the hackers.

[quote]I also think Erik Prince is exponentially more wealthy than Trump

It always cheers me immensely when I remember his sister lost $100,00,000 in most foolish investment.

So... is it possible that Cohen lied about being in Prague on direction of the special counsel?

We think alike r389.

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[quote]is it possible that Cohen lied about being in Prague on direction of the special counsel?

No, federal law enforcement officials don't make people lie under oath. And certainly not Robert Mueller.

The things that have been shown to be crystal clear over the past few years-

*Conservatives are the true villains. Not white people. Not male (thought that is very iffy). Conservatives are the real villains.

*The rich know they are above the law and thus act as such.

*Our govt, under conservatives, are under corporate control when they are in charge

*Putin is running this country via his control of Pres Bone Spurs. He runs this country via his control of conservative think tanks, institutions (NRA, Evangelical churches and leaders) and a good number of conservative Congressional memebers.

*Our media is sadly for-profit so they will break huge news against HIM but will always look for ANY piece of news so they can run "bothsides" arguments.

*We the people mobilize, as we did in the mid-terms, even with obvious voter suppression and vote tampering, we win.

*Liberals are not radicals. No matter what proposal they offer, even if it goes "too far", it is always to give the people more control over their lives, to fix huge issues and not hope magical tax cut for the rich will fix things.

*The Democratic party, whatever your feelings for them, display every day in numerous individuals, they actually care for this country, capitalism, our Constitution, our democracy, the rights of us all. They want all institutions to be successful from our military to our farmers to our blue collar workers to our white collar workers to the very poor and the very rich.

*The Democratic party represents us all.

* The repugs have devolved into a party that loves generalities, platitudes and draws cult like personalities and those with sociopathic tendancies. They do not care about those "babies being murdered in the womb" they are playing on your emotions to control you, control women for the purpose of furthering their agenda of giving the rich more power.

*No matter how upset you may get at any number of Dems, they are the only group standing up to fight for a better future for you, the country and the world. Even if they receive money from the fossil fuel industry or the gun industry or whatever, their votes often go against them and they will vote for judges who actually will not be activists judges but who will base their rulings on the Constitution.

*This is no time for purity.

It is quite possible that one of the burner phones confiscated by the FBI was given to the person who went to Prague on the mission to pay off the hackers and was returned to Cohen when the mission was completed.

Who took the burner phone to Prague?

The military is not on Trump's side.

[quote]The military is not on Trump's side.

He says he gave them a 10% raise.

It was 2.4%.

He says it was their first in 10 years.

They've received a raise each year in the past 10.

Don't you think they're a little annoyed and pissed at being used for political purposes?

Reportedly, soldiers and sailors don't like that.

I don't care what raise that sociopath gave me, I would never support his treasonous ass. If someone bases their support on the raise given, they are human beings who have no soul.

Another great thing our "president" did was completely erase the way we see Reagan and W. Our "president" hates them and calls them terrible presidents. What is hysterical is, our repugs are so bought and paid for, they go along with it. Reagan is no longer seen as this saint like icon and W is, rightfully, seen as a joke with the right now. Putin made sure to make our "president" destroy the notions about those two.

He is still scared shitless of Nancy.

I believe Cohen had something like a dozen burner phones and he had people or a person go as his emissary to do whatever (pay off the hackers?). His phone pinged just outside Prague.

It’ll all come out soon enough and it’ll all make sense.

No, I don’t think he was lying about never having been there, and no, Mueller wouldn’t instruct him to lie to Congress. That’s what Trumpists believe, though.

Maybe he didn’t want to reveal too much of the other investigations.

I see you're a fascinating creature r116.

You know, I guess nobody ever really did look into the vote count on a minute level. Look what just happened in NC. They got busted red handed.

Many believed Jill Stein still at that point and thought someone one was looking into it.

We know now she turned out to be in on the coup.

It would make for a good documentary.

Hey r375, I actually care about this country and when Reagan was in power I saw the rampant racism taking over our country. I saw all the propaganda and wondered why our country just let it go....it has been painful to watch. Now everyday has become a nightmare with Trump in power and all you smart and educated people underestimating Trump, Putin and the hatred their mean and ignorant followers maintain. I wish I was just stupid and never observed these things but I can not go back to ignorance. Not many thought that Hitler would round up 6 million Jews and kill them.

In Florida the vote was just a lie, lowlife Scott nor the vote for the governor were correct but the FBI did not investigate. Florida will always be red because of Republican corruption...criminals run Florida from top to bottom.

Anyone who voted for Jill Stein, were very foolish.

The subjunctive is not definitive.

Anyone who voted for Jill Stein was very foolish.

I have the same empty feeling inside-- that no matter what we say and how much we try to point out very important details and warnings, the smug- minded will keep falling in the same false traps as has been proven historically accurate. My well-meaning reveal of destructions so harmful to us and our cause seem destined to repeat yet again. They just can't or won't believe those that are trying to help; those that have seen where it it ends (badly, for us) to have any say.

I sadly reflect upon those who put too much faith in NP and Meuller as well as those who are okay with no impeachment. What meaning given to the final Mueller Report seems pointless without a strike that would remove the Trumpin scorge immediately. I mean, really, of what import does this Report have? The weak-minded moobs here will simply wait until the 2020 elections. Like any other Presidential election. No special circumstances with Trump, right?

Miss Lindsay stopped the Senate from passing a unanimous resolution, similar to House measure, advocating that the full Mueller Report be released to the public once completed. One Senator can object, and the unanimous resolution becomes nullified. Still, McConnell could have forced a "majority" resolution which he showed to effort to do.

Kompromat at work.

^ showed 'no' effort

New Zealand shooter was asked if he supported Trump after he was arrested. He said, his white supremacy yes, his policies, Dear God no.

It is going to take the US Decades to get any kind of standing back in this world. all I can relate this to is like asking someone if they support Hitler.

r302, r299 here. Thanks for the explanation.

[quote]Ms. Lindz is at it again. See what she did today.

Graham has his head so far up Trump's butt that he can't see daylight. He is covered in the stench of utter corruption and has lost any backbone that he ever had. Most people would slink away in shame but Graham brazenly parades his cowardice and abject sycophancy before the whole world.

Thanks, r398, didn’t mean to imply that there is subterfuge going on with Mueller re: Cohen’s testimony about being in Prague. My initial thought was that it would be a bombshell that would reveal to Dump and the world that Mueller is definitely on to him with a key collusion piece of evidence, and he might not want to play his hand, but it would have made more sense for Cohen to say he couldn’t talk about it. A burner phone used by someone else makes more sense.

I see that the NZ shooter cited Trump in his manifesto

When this is all said and done and the report is released, books written, historians record the facts and write the history, I will be most interested in how Miss Mint Julep of 1972 fit into all this crime and scandal. Her part in the scheme to destroy the US. Her motivations and involvement.

Three old, bitter, sour, hateful granny gays. The turtle, Senatrice, Miss Sessions.

Has anyone asked Cohen's wife if she visited Prague?

Ides of March, folks -- anyone ready?

Graham calling for a Special Investigation into Hillary Clinton’s e-mails is the height of crazy town. Someone needs to just stamp his forehead with the word: IRRELEVANT.

It really is, r417. I wish South Carolina were more purple. He’s getting away with this bullshit because he’s in a Dump state, and his embrace of all things Dump will ensure he isn’t primaried by a more conservative tea partier. I hate that he’s insulated because he’s in a red state.

I love how horned up Mike Pence looks standing next to that gay husband of the Irish Prime Minister.

In South Carolina. Graham is not even adored by Republicans, but he will get re-elected unless there are shocking new developments about him personally.. The Democratic Party in South Carolina is structurally and organizationally weak by comparison. They are encouraging a DNC member, a state party leader, to challeng him, but a real battle will be immensely uphill. Graham has massive campaign funds at his disposal, given by powerful special interests. And his PAC includes received Russian-tied oligarch and NRA money. The SC media reports on Graham, but he is not asked tough questions by them Citizens will write some editorials critical of Graham, but one sees little beyond that. The national media can't get enough of him, often distorting his behavior as being more positive than the facts The major SC complaints are about his excessive fawning over Trump, his flipping on stated principles and stances, and the recognition he does nothing concerning critical needs for South Carolina. That takes work that is not a priority for him. He visits abroard more than he does SC it seems. But, he is not being held accountable by the state. The gay rumors about Graham have been around for decades. Some are quite local. He just denies this and advocates/ votes anti-gay. There is also growing speculation that Trump "has something on him". But like elsewhere, it is guessing by the general public. Graham cherishes power and $s, is very ambitious, and craves attention. He loves the camera. Unfortunately, South Carolina is still too red. Georgia and North Carolina are moving faster toward purple than SC. And many of the fervent right-wingers are transplants, including retirees from the military. There are progressive Democrats in South Carolina, but we desperately need 5% to 8% of the state electorate voting for Democrats statewide to make major flips.

R420 Thank you. That's very insightful.

Many thanks r420. A bit depressing but I understand the situation now.

If Trump believes he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose a voter, the Senatrice seems to believe he could fellate a platoon of Citadel cadets on the Battery and not lose a voter.

Mueller: Former Trump campaign official Rick Gates 'continues to cooperate' in several investigations.

Former Trump campaign official Rick Gates "continues to cooperate with respect to several ongoing investigations," special counsel Robert Mueller said in a court filing Friday.

"Accordingly the parties do not believe it is appropriate" to move on to Gates' sentencing phase, the filing in Washington, D.C., federal court said.

The joint report from Mueller and Gates' attorney, which asks a federal judge for 60 more days before providing the next update on Gates' status, comes amid increasing speculation that the special counsel's Russia probe is coming to an end.

More on that visit to the WH Cruz,Sasse & Graham made the other night:

Rick Gates always seems like he’d be a fun furry bear to roll around with. And he looks thick-dicked for days.

So can everyone drop the pretense that Ben Sasssssy is this stand up guy now? He showed what a morally bankrupt hypocrite by his vote yesterday.

Ben Sasse looks like he has bad-tasting cum. Like, always.

Another Friday with nothing new....

r429 It is early for fucks sake.

When Mueller drops the hammer, it will be of the sledge kind I'd imagine.

R386, De Vos and Mike Pence and others keep talking about a "Christian Caliphate" and many of these kinds of people believe in "end times." They are the White Christian version of ISIS. Not saying Erik Prince, De Vos's brother is a true believer, but he is militaristic, Extreme Right, if not part of the "Christian Cabal," and he definitely has an agenda.

He is the type who'd look at Trump as a tool to get what he wants, which is to run the biggest private mercenary army in the world and franchise it out. He'd be more in lock step with Putin and the Oligarchs. They're all using Trump like a worn out old whore. Prince wanted to privatize anything not nailed down at the Defense Department for years.

Trump is useful. To MAGAs he's a "leader" To most other people around him he's a joke, but very useful to them. The media keeps treating him like a legitimate President. They try to normalize him even as they report on his latest twitter outrage. But there's nothing normal about him.

Putin is definitely using our greed and our greedy with oligarch money to bribe or blackmail our rightwing nuts.

This is a huge story someone will go down in history if they break this wide open with proof. I'm the Former Congressional Intern and my contacts believe this runs deep in conservative circles to the point they are fearful. Russia, China and the Saudis have figured out our weakness and it is conservatives. It is why they flip out when a Democrat wins the WH. They've invested in and are continuing to invest in voter suppression and cheating. The NC case is an ice cube portion of what is really going on. If it is liberals vs repugs on the issues, liberals win every single time by wide margins.

The Mercers and Kochs and their ilk are not even getting close to how vast this is. Hillary was right (as usual) when she said this was a vast right wing conspiracy.

Breaking...

That "broke" back at R424.

R432, I believe you. There have always been front organizations or "lobbyists" who represented the interests of foreign countries attempting to influence our policies to benefit their clients. But what has been happening since Citizens United, and with global economic interests, has been off the charts. Add to that the ideological extremists and the internet, and we have a stew of scary anti democracy shit that will choke us.

I have been addicted to history and politics for decades and read quite a bit in addition to being a news junkie. My theory is that with Russia, it goes back to Jimmy Carter and Afghanistan, and the Olympics boycott, etc. Russia has been looking for vengeance ever since they were humiliated and disrespected. One of the reasons we can't get a peace process off the ground in the Middle East is because of Russia. They have been shit stirring and worse ad probably were behind the Hostage crisis at the embassy in Iran, and the rise of Muslim extremists. They didn't create them, but they know how to exploit weaknesses. It's what they do.

Interesting to see which countries are involved in the really bad shit: Saudis, Putin and China. The Chinese are interested primarily in their own economy growth and they embrace stability...at all costs. So of the three China is the only one we can afford to deal with. Russia is practically a failed state, weak economy, etc. and Putin and his oligarchs are bad, dangerous criminals. Saudis especially now, under MBS, are the same. Criminals.

Please Mueller hand out some indictments!!

It's Friday, the 15th of March. The Ides of March. The Mueller Report is due by Happy Hour. It will be a big "meh." My source told me so.

I understand there's just so much to investigate but it's annoying when reporters are SO SURE something's about to happen, gassing up the public, and then we're told there are delays.

From indictment delays to trial delays this is all annoying. We the public are hungry for more

Ben Sasse, never let it be forgotten, is the "thoughtful," "conscientious" Republican who told the press he agonizes and "thinks about leaving the GOP every morning."

In other words, he's the guy who consciously recommits to the Republican party every damn day, knowing full well the wrongs he's collaborating in—and wants some kind of moral reputation for thinking twice about it.

Keep it cunting, Kellyanne Cuntway!

The Mueller report is dropping any second! I just know it! And it will show nothing!!!

R431 is 100 percent on the nose. Kellyanne, pence, the Mercers, Erik prince, the lot are dominionists.

They want a theocracy. They believe they are ordained by god to rule. They are using trump to destroy our political systems.

Miss Don Lemon read Macho Chris Cuomo to filth last night in the handoff!

Did I miss the House getting rid of Kavenaugh? On JoeyMyGod someone insisted that would be happening when he got sworn in and the Dems take over the House.

R455

And for what it’s worth, DL fave psychic Linda G advised she sees Kavanaugh being yanked from the court. She saw this on two different readings, a few months apart. I’m fine with that.

R445 It is the Senate that confirmed Kavanaugh; and for him to be removed from office, it would be the Senate that acts.

And do you really want Miss Lindsey to have a complete emotional breakdown even attempting such action? Oh nevermind.....

Like I said....another Friday with nothing new.

R444 Chris Cuomo tries again and again to portray that he's a match for Kellyanne and delivers the superior points of argument.

He hasn't learned he can't succeed at that. Kellyanne is a master at spinning, deflection, outright lying, and filibustering the conversation with repeated and rehearsed talking points. The way to deal with that is not to invite her back. CNN needs to follow MSNBC's policy with her. CNN thinks these predictable, lame, infotainment debates are great ratings, for the both-sides bullshit they promote. I switch channels when CNN does this nonsense. Nothing of substance is ever offered in these shout-fests

CNN is fux noise lite.

Who listens to these apologists?

Thanks r449 I totally agree with you. It’s so funny that CNN thinks it needs to do this for ratings, as their ratings are behind both MSNBC and Fox. Maybe if they grew a pair, they’d outshine both of their competitors.

[quote][R378] The dossier says Cohen visited Prague. Cohen denies it and so far there is no evidence that he was in Prague.

At one point you'll learn how to decipher lawyer-speak.

Michael Cohen denies ever stepping foot in the city limits of Prague. And yet, his cell phone was tracked somewhere around the city of Prague at that time.

Was he meeting people outside of Prague?

Did other Trump capos have possession of his phone who were present in meetings in Prague?

Plenty of wiggle room in those words.

Why and how was a supposed random burner phone associated with Cohen's ID in the first place? Or was it his regular phone (sim card) registered to him?

This isn’t my usual type of post and I won’t be offended if I am accused of paranoia and/or tin hattery, but this Frank Cali whacking is bothering me. That was not a normal, proper Sicilian whacking that someone vying to become Capo would do. There was no respect for the family. Trump did a lot of business with the Gambinos, Frank Cali might have known things. He might been talking to people about things. Maybe the rat warning wasn’t just aimed at Cohen.

R453, I don’t think anyone knows, but when Cohen’s office, hotel room, etc were raided, they confiscated — if I recall correctly — something like 12 or 13 cellphones. I believe someone at the time (on MSNBC?) said they were burner phones.

Who knows why. But one of those, registered to him, pinged outside of Prague.

Interesting speculation, Elder Lez.

On Cohen, maybe as the fixer, he bought multiple burner phones for use by the Trump family and their top operatives. I can't imagine Hope Hicks or Junior Mint running to the store buying a pile of burner phones. Cohen himself or a party in his behalf, could have ordered them online or called and had them shipped. Then Cohen, Trump, Kushner, Junior Mint, or another top insider distributed them to certain organization operatives. The registered buyer and the user could certainly be different people.

How do we know one of Cohens burner phones pinged in Prague? Was this reported somewhere reliable?

A foreign intelligence service picked up on the phone being an outlier.

Foreign intelligence HATES Trump and monitors all American phones in Europe.

I believe that they have every transcript of every phone call Trump made on his unprotected personal phone.

So the Steele Dossier came first claiming that Cohen was in Prague then, at a raid, a burner phone was discovered that was located near Prague at the date where Cohen was supposedly in Prague. Do I got that right?

Personally I trust the Steele Dossier more than anything Trump or his associate claim to discredit it.

Maddow has an exclusive tonight, but honestly, I couldn't. I'm playing cards with friends and there's some silly movie on in the background. Someone please tell me what she is saying. If I get lucky tonight, I won't be watching TV re runs tomorrow morning.

Cohen was named specifically as being in Prague....regardless of his claims or any speculation. The agents named him....not "some Trump associate", ....they said Michael Cohen....they laid out who he met and why he was there. So the Cohen apologists can take a seat. He was there.

We are not Cohen apologists it is simply he was asked a direct question in an open committee and he stated under oath that he had never been to Hungary, in Prague or near Prague.

Why would he lie if the facts were incontrovertible?

Prague is in the Czech Republic, I think. That Prague thing is sticky. I heard him answer that question and I was also aware of the claim that he was there. But I'm fuzzy about how that came out and the specifics. I didn't realize it was so specific as to his purpose and the date, etc.

^^^thanks, Czech Republic.

He wasnt IN Prague....he was on the outskirts of Prague....same difference.....he was there paying off the hackers. He pulled that passport shit on Hannity, but that didnt fly when it turned out he had more than one. Then, at the time of the "events", he claimed he was in Italy, and that his passport show no other stamps....but anyone with a working braincell knows that once you are there, you can go from country to country without passport checks....hence one of the benefits of the EU. He drove to his meeting....then drove back.

[quote]It’s so funny that CNN thinks it needs to do this for ratings

Agree, elder lez.

This was a signal to someone mixed up in this administration.

Something about the timing and the method is a clue.

There was a theory that Cohen was on a plane that landed near Prague, but he never got off the plane, so technically, he never stepped foot in the Czech Republic.

R449, that's exactly the point. You nailed it. Chris Cuomo trying to prove he's a match for Kellyanne! Why try! Verbal sparring with Kellyanne Conway proves what? Cuomo is no better than they are. He's part of the spectacle and I'm glad Don Lemon went after him about it.

[quote]Why would he lie if the facts were incontrovertible?

Why did he lie and say he didn't want an administration job when he'd told everybody and his brother that he did?

He's an inveterate liar, just like Trump. I don't know if he's lying about Prague, but I wouldn't take anything he has ever said at face value.

if Democrats were really smart they would help find other Republicans to run against current Republicans already in office in those states where Democrats don't stand a chance. We are so divided by the D,I and R after our names that we ignore everything else. The whole purpose of gov't. is to work for the people no matter what party they belong to.

Maybe next Friday???

William Weld, a former Mass. Gov , is challenging Trump for the GOP nomination. Larry Hogan, Md. Gov., is considering it.

With Republican support for Trump in the (80%-90% range), room and support for pragmatic, moderate-leaning candidates in the Republican Party is in a way too narrow lane. Trump controls the RNC and they basically have declared it to be a coronation of Trump Still, it would be good to see him have party challengers. If the Mueller Report is somehow immensely devastating to Trump, others could join the race. Mitt Romney and Marco Rubio have not given up on running again.

Speaking of 2020...Come take my poll and let’s talk 2020.

Elie Mystal who has abovethelaw.com is on Joy Reid. I love him. Check it out.

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Facebook has been much deeper in this scandal than Zuckerberg has been willing to acknowledge.

Jeb Bush said that there should be another Republican candidate, so Republicans have a choice.

The problem is money. Donors aren't going to pour money into candidates who don't have a chance, and without money, no other candidate has a chance. Trump has too much free publicity.

[quote] The problem is money. Donors aren't going to pour money into candidates who don't have a chance, and without money, no other candidate has a chance. Trump has too much free publicity.

And that is why democracy is fucked, because it's all about the money. Like polititians not getting out of bed unless they can expect an envelope of cash waiting for them in their mailboxes.

Poor Jeb.

Poor Jeb is ded, Poor Jeb Bush is ded.

R479 We have gone beyond just money politics into a kleptocracy. Trump used to corrupt politicians from the outside, but now he has the power of the presidency to corrupt the whole government. The wolves are in the hen house and the stupid deplorables are still clueless.

[quote] The wolves are in the hen house and the stupid deplorables are still clueless.

Because they were conditioned to not care about that. They were whipped into a frezy with buzzwords like Muslim terrorism, Fake News, Socialist Liberals, MAGA, etc. and are blinded by rage. They are almost literally blind and need Trump and his minions to guide them to their predetermined targets to create chaos and mayhem (to be seen as the threat they pose for the rest of America if someone dares to stand up to Trump and the Republican party).

Republicans are the victims of the sunk-cost fallacy. They've invested so much in Trump that they can't bring themselves to unload him even when it would obviously benefit them to make him go away. And I believe he would if they cut him a Nixonian deal that would allow him to fly off to Mar-a-lago without facing charges if he just went quietly (or announced he wouldn't run for re-election.)

The Conservatives have dressed it up and call it the "unitary executive" but really they are giving the Executive absolute power in ways the Constitution never intended. Barr the new attorney general, and Kavanaugh both subscribe to this interpretation and it is completely undemocratic. The Republican Party has been heading in this direction for decades. We have to push back hard and we have to show up.

Unitary Executive = Dictator

Republicans essentially want a king. All their rhapsodizing about the constitution and democracy is just bullshit.

They want a king who will tell the masses what they can and cannot do while allowing them to do whatever the fuck they want. They pretty much have that in Trump. You can't get an abortion even though you were raped but its perfectly okay for my mistress.

They don't want a king. They want a [bold]DADDY[/bold].

Big difference.

Washington Post: ‘An easy target’: Pence takes barbs from both sides as he promotes Trump

One good thing about the Trump presidency is that Pence can never be president unless Donald dies suddenly in the next two years. I think he has damaged himself enough so that he can never be elected. I also don't think Trump can get re elected without the help from Russia. His 2020 margins were razor thin and I don't think many additional people have turned towards him because of the "great" job that he has done. Everyone knows him now and knows how bad he is - even many of those who voted for him. Also, any lingering democrat or independent who maybe wasn't excited by Hillary now knows that a potato is better than Trump.

*Trump can't get elected without Russia assistance.

Pence is a blend into the wallpaper whindoesbt do anything. He’s a freak, even repulsive know that.

Of course the GOP wants a king - it's the only way they can stay in power and they know it.

The same reason that loathsome turtle refuses to vote on HB 1. It would make elections fair and open thus sealing their fate to the scrapheap of history.

The GOP would be just fine with a Hitlerian dictatorship, just as long as they were the dictators.

Bunch of traitorous scum.

I have a question/observation...Yesterday Trump vetoed the bill which would have negated his Declaration of a National Emergency. He was surrounded by a bunch of motley looking law enforcement officials AND William Barr. It's widely believed in legal circles that his declaration is over-reaching, illegal and will be overturned by the courts. The majority of both the House and Senate also believe this to be true. Is it a good look for William Barr to be cheerleading the president on something so blatantly illegal? If I were Attorney General - the head of the nation's legal and law enforcement branch - I don't think I would want to be present at a signing for something that the courts will most likely declare illegal. It shows bad judgement and poor knowledge of the law. I know that Obama and Holder didn't even like to be photographed together. I seem to remember that they both loved playing basketball but Holder won't join Obama's pick up games at the White House because it would indicate that maybe he wasn't independent enough. Those days seem gone. Also seems quaint that the GOP threw such fits when Bill Clinton greeted Lorretta Lynch when they were both on the same tarmac. Can you imagine the same GOP getting angry if Melania said hi to William Barr?

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Jezebel? Not nice to call Miss Lindzey that.

Deplrables are such suckers. They will fall for anything.

I'm reading The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis, really excellent book about inside the trump campaign into the White House. The levels of incompetence, arrogance, and entitlement are frightening.

Here's part of a review from goodreads

The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis

"What are the consequences if the people given control over our government have no idea how it works?

"The election happened," remembers Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, then deputy secretary of the Department of Energy. "And then there was radio silence." Across all departments, similar stories were playing out: Trump appointees were few and far between; those that did show up were shockingly uninformed about the functions of their new workplace. Some even threw away the briefing books that had been prepared for them.

Michael Lewis’s brilliant narrative takes us into the engine rooms of a government under attack by its own leaders. In Agriculture the funding of vital programs like food stamps and school lunches is being slashed. The Commerce Department may not have enough staff to conduct the 2020 Census properly. Over at Energy, where international nuclear risk is managed, it’s not clear there will be enough inspectors to track and locate black market uranium before terrorists do."

Rachel Maddow's story yesterday about Scott Loyd, former director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement speaks to the incompetence mentioned in my post above.

He was supposed to be overseeing refugee resettlement but had no experience in that arena. Instead he had a background in pro-life activities and was focused on preventing young refugee women from getting the abortions they were legally entitled to. Remember the case last year where delay after delay happened while a young refugee was held virtually prisoner to keep her from medical appointments? She was pregnant as a result of rape and wanted to abort. Our government illegally tried to stop it but the ACLU stepped in and she was allowed to proceed.

Maddow's show was in part about the spreadsheets that kept very detailed information about the pregnancies of young refugees as young as 12 in attempt to prevent abortions.

Yep, separate (kidnap) refugee children from their parents at the border, don't keep track of contact and identity info, incarcerate said children while being unable to reunite them with family, all the while proclaiming to be pro-life while keeping meticulously detailed info about pregnant teens, essentially punishing those in desperate straights for what end?

What R499 describes is just an intensification of Republican ideology since Reagan. Reagan's appointees couldn't get away with such blatant contempt for their own offices, although Lord knows they tried (e.g. James Watt). I think of Rick Santorum asking at the first meeting of Senatorial Republicans after the 1994 election, "If no one wants to chair the Indian Affairs committee, why don't we just abolish it?" and Dole kind of laughing him off. The Republicans finally have the kind of administration they want, one that will just openly ransack the government and funnel all the loot straight to the rich—and they have the docile electorate that lets them get away with it.

That guy should stand before a firing squad, R500. Most of the people in Trump’s administration should.

And, the smugness of the asshole described in R500 during the deposition is so reprehensible that it made me want to climb through the television and strangle him.

If I could climb through the screen, he would have been dead the first day he announced.

Trump is so guilty of treason, he should be hung by his neck until dead. I am not joking, I believe we are in a cyber war with Russia and Trump works for Russia, while in our White House.

He should be hung by his neck along with Jared, Don Jr. and Ivanka. Obviously McConnell and Miss Lindsay are trAitors also.

R505 It's a harsh thing to say but I agree. They are guilty of Treason and treason has a harsh penalty.

Any of us with a brain have seen that Trump has committed crime after crime and is worthy of indictment, not just impeachment. Why do we have to allow this criminal to insult us and the whole world with his crimes and vicious racism. At this point, Nancy's fear of the right wing cripples our country.

I can not think of a person more impeachable than Trump. I don't expect to see a similar scumbag in the near future. But we have diehard Pelosi believers on this thread. Reasoning with these enablers is useless. They spew 'troll' and remove you from the discussion. I wouldn't be surprised if the bulk of posters consist of a mere handful of people sho simply talk back and forth with each other.

Pathetic.

r500. That reprehensible judge you are referring to in that case is none other than Brett Kavanaugh, now Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. (NP Sees no advantage in impeaching Trump)

. . . no advantage in impeaching Trump until you’re even a little bit certain Mitch McTurtle will let the Senate convict.

Screaming "Nancy Pelosi!" just doesn't work here, girls.

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Guess Who?

The House would impeach, but the Senate won't remove.

On George Stephanopoulis' show This Week, the panel was talking about the rise of White Nationalism being more of a threat than radical Islam. The Republicans on the panel didn't dispute it. This is going to be a huge campaign issue that Trump can't win.

If their were charges filed on Ivanka and Don Jr then we could hope for a possibly peaceful resignation with some sort of slap on the wrist. I think the chances of that are slim but better than the impeachment strategy. I much prefer we defeat in 2020 and then the ensuing charges and perp walk. That would fill my heart.

I want the entire grifting administration to be perp walked in shackles, thrown in prison for life (if they won't hang these traitors for treason), their assets stripped and their names stricken from history.

I ask for little.

White privilege, white power, white nationalism.

Trump's downfall.

R496: Most likely TinyIQ45 demanded that "his" attorney general Barr attend the veto audience. Did Barr speak during the ceremony?

No, he just stood there, beaming like a proud mother.

I’ve sad it before, but I think Barr is there not to protect Trump, but to make sure the GOP remains unscathed when the whole thing comes a-tumblin' down.

Barr also supports a very broad definition of Presidential powers, so it's likely that he's fine with the veto.

No, the time between Trump’s defeat and his leaving office would be unbearable. Lord knows the havoc he would wreak. He needs to be removed before November 2020.

Here’s an interesting development re: Prague.

“!! BREAKING:

Several years ago, FSB launched two undercover private firms in Prague, posing as regular IT companies. In reality, they served as hacking entities.

Czech counter-intelligence BIS dissolved this network in early 2018”

Natasha Bertrand explains why it’s a very big deal:

“The dossier says Michael Cohen went to Prague to pay off Russian hackers in 2016. Now we learn--according to this story--that the FSB had two hacking entities operating there, undercover, until 2018. ”

More from Scott Stedman:

“Steele implied that Prague was a hub for Russian hackers. Well... He was right.”

Is this why Trump was bitching about the Steele dossier today out of nowhere?

^^^Ding ding ding. The cheetolini was particularly unhinged this weekend. That's always a sign that something is coming

It may not be Mueller, it may be that the media has another scoop. NYT, Post, someone. And of course he is truly pissed that for once Fox has turned on him about Jeanine Pirro.

Why does Pirro go away but Tucker Carlson sticks around like shit on your shoe? I hope Mueller indicts Hannity and Trump strokes out because of it.

Everyone I follow on political Twitter has been saying today that Trump’s Tweetstorm is next-level, like he’s never been unhinged. George Conway says Trump’s condition is worsening. Everyone thinks something big is coming this week. Could just be a major revelation in a news publication, could be indictments.

Should be fun.

Something substantial needs to happen soon.

oh I would LOVE some Monday morning madness. Can we get a new indictment PLEASE?

or at least some damning new news?

The world we live in now is so strange. The campaign chairman for the sitting president was sentenced to what I hope is the rest of his life in prison for being a fraudulent, criminal fuck who no doubt treasonously helped Cheetolini illegally take over the White House and it's almost old news at this point because there is just so much more criminal activity to worry about.

My hope is that now that Manafort is sentenced and those cases are done, the next round where he and the rest of them are charged with the treasonous acts comes soon. I could see them waiting until this set of cases was concluded before dropping the next set of indictments.

People are saying that the reason Trump went cray-cray on twitter this weekend is because he knows something is coming.

a lot of people are talking about it

Talking about something.that never happens. Crimes committed and criminals left to do as they please.

If Cohen was paying someone off in Prague and the media bike this story about the FSB, you can bet fat Donnie put 2 and 2 together and realized Cohen has told everything he knows about said hackers, who he was bag manning for and if he knew who the hackers were working for.

Ergo, fat Donnie stomps and rage tweets as his facade of legitimacy crumbles.

I thought much earlier, that a big revealation would happen during the time of March Madness, the NCAA college basketball tournament games.

I am so fucking sick to death of hearing about this god damn report.....fucking release it already.

what is bob waiting for? christmas??? the new civil war that's gonna happen? christ.

i don't even give a shite about it anymore.....i get being thorough but this is ridiculous.....and all the live long damn day that fucker is still in office fucking more shit up anyway....

DjT attacks Sheppard Smith at Fox, then posts clips of Fox commentators he favors. He watches Fox all day and well into the night. Fox is Trump TV, and Rupert Murdoch facilitated it.

And almost daily appearances on Fox by the camera craving Miss Lindz, doing her obsessive Trump cheerleading, is disgusting behavior.

Miss Lindz's response to Trump's attacks on the deceased John McCain, was general, moderate praise of McCain's honor and Senate service, but said nothing to condemn Trump's nasty tweets.

What I found most telling were the attacks on McCain. That, IMO was very leading. If you Google "McCain,Putin, Russia," you will see that Putin and the Russian media were rejoicing over McCain's death. They considered him an enemy of Russia. He attacked Putin often calling him a thug and a murderer, etc. His criticisms of Russian government go back decades.

In fact, if you paid attention to McCain's funeral, which he himself planned, he all but told us Trump is a traitor, and he had a Russian Journalist that Putin poisoned twice, as a pallbearer at his funeral. McCain literally saved the guy's life. It's a hell of a story.

McCain was speaking from the grave and anyone with eyes and a brain could understand what he was saying. It should be pretty obvious by now that Trump hates anyone Putin hates. Trump is completely enthralled by Putin and reflects what ever is going on with him.

So pay attention not just to the Mueller probe in general, but keep an eye on what's going on internationally. Because the Steele Dossier is still giving Trump the flux.

I also want to say that ever since Helsinki, Trump seems very concerned, even nervous abut Putin, and any information like this Prague Troll farm, etc. that would upset Putin. He is repeatedly claiming that the Mueller investigation is a cloud that hurts him when he is negotiating with other countries. But remember, Mueller announced the indictments of all those GRU agents two days before Helsinki, which seemed to result in Trump doing a lot of groveling in public.

[quote]Why does Pirro go away but Tucker Carlson sticks around like shit on your shoe?

Carlson brings in a lot more money for the network than Pirro does.

Can you believe no one shoots him? Liberals are dear angels.

If Trump were assassinated, the Deplorables would rise up and start killing any brown, black, or gay person they could round up in order to avenge their king. As much as I loathe him with every fiber of my being, he needs to be alive to see just how much shit is going to rain down on him.

We are nearing the final season of this show.

We must be strong and brave...we can not let our country turn into Nazi Germany.

So my question about Cohen still exists. I truly believe that he went to Prague to pay off Russian hackers as reported in the Steele Dossier. The reporting above about Russian having hacking facilities/companies in Prague adds validity to the claim as does foreign intelligence which has a phone belonging to Cohen pinging in Prague at the time of the said meeting in Prague. It's quacking like a duck, folks. However, Cohen, under oath has repeated said that he was never in Prague. 1) To protect the larger investigation, does he have instructions from the special counsel to tell this lie in public? I doubt it. I don't think SC office would ask someone to lie to congress. 2) Is Cohen cutting the truth really thin by claiming never to have been in Prague because he flew in and stayed on the plane while others came aboard to collect the cash payment? Hence, since his feet never touched the ground, he wasn't technically in Prague. 3) Did they met just outside Prague and so technically, he wasn't in Prague. I believe he was asked if he had ever been in the Czech Republic and he said no. I need to look at a map. Is there a way to be in the vicinity of Prague yet not actually be in the Czech Republic? This one has me puzzled.

R547 Cohen could have sent someone with a phone that he bought to do the payoff.

Here's a theory I'm considering. I am totally convinced Trump is a Russian asset, working on behalf of Putin and Putin's agenda. I am also convinced that there are other Russian assets in Congress and in cabinet level positions, and sub cabinet level positions, who are there to prop Trump up and to also do the bidding of Putin.

But it may be that the extent of their penetration, and the degree to which we have been completely compromised, may not come out all at once. I think the Intel community probably thinks we already know more than we should, and that the standing of the United States will not allow us to publicly, officially come out and say Putin fucked us.

They'll want to roll this up, punish the guilty, etc. but the official public statement will be less than we expect. It's just like the timidity they have about conceding that votes were changed and minimizing the hacking in the state voter rolls. "Yes they got into 21 states. Or maybe it was 37. But they didn't get far. Or wait, they hacked into the voter rolls, but they didn't change the outcome. blah, blah, blah."

So they get Trump and his family on other charges, but they soften the "conspiracy to defraud the American people by interfering in our election." What I'm saying is, as we ponder the strategies of Mueller, etc. we have to think about other facets. This isn't happening in a vacuum. So if you're the State Department and the CIA, etc. do you want us to publicly admit that Russia staged a fucking coup?

Or do you want to say Trump's a corrupt asshole who needs to go because he's embarrassing and dangerous. Yes, the rest of the world has figured out what happened and in most cases the International Intel community knows a lot more and has probably been helping our good guys. But even though we know what really happened, the official public statement might be different.

The thing he is dangerous and Jared is right there helping him be dangerous and our country has become a crook nation.

No new indictments from Mueller, maybe the Southern District will come up with something.

STFU r551

Trump is obviously a Russian asset. The same with McConnell and Lindsay Graham and how many others? Pence also seems to be owned by Putin. The thing is, those in power may not want the truth to be know by the public. Barr will keep it quiet and so will everyone else in power...even Nancy won't tell the truth. The truth is too horrible, the public will not be told.

Oh look, R553 trolling and trying to subtly bash Nancy again.

[quote]People are saying that the reason Trump went cray-cray on twitter this weekend is because he knows something is coming.

And how does that happen, exactly?

If Mueller doesn’t leak, how does Trumpty know when something is coming.

Is Mueller’s place bugged?

Is he in the old, dilapidated FBI building, the one Trump insisted they stay in so he could have the new FBI site for his luxury hotel?

Maybe the hotel wasn’t the real reason Trumpty wanted them to stay put.

[quote]The truth is too horrible, the public will not be told.

Yes indeed. Oswald acted alone.

If there's a news report coming out that's bad for Trump, it would probably have been leaked to him or the reporter would call the admin looking to get a response to the allegations.

If there were an indictment coming down the pike from Mueller, they would have to alert Barr and he in turn would probably let the Shitgibbon know. If SDNY were about to indict, it would probably leak to someone as well before it happened. OR the indictment was already served and the public hasn't been notified yet.

If Mueller has handed in his report (Which I don't think is the case) than Barr probably had it on Shitgibbon's desk before the ink was dry

Special Counsel lawyers converse with Trump lawyers in terms of the direction of the investigation and related, such as Mueller making certain material requests. It is measured. As their client, Trump hears from his lawyers and perhaps others in the DOJ. That does not mean Mueller is showing his full hand to Trump.

I'm sure there is the ongoing pressure from the Mueller investigation which has been compounded by the House's new investigations but I think it has more to do with Trump feeling stressed about the upcoming campaign. He's failed on his signature wall. His hail, Mary with North Korea was a bust. His tariffs are undermining a good economy. He has nothing to run on after proclaiming everything would be fixed in the first thirty days.

Like all his failed schemes, he knows it's bankruptcy, refuse to pay legitimate debts time. I wouldn't be surprised if Putin is no longer accepting his calls and is looking for a new asset to elevate.

[quote] Trump seems very concerned, even nervous abut Putin

The Russians have already threatened to release their Kompromat live on Russian TV.

[quote]If Cohen was paying someone off in Prague and the media bike this story about the FSB, you can bet fat Donnie put 2 and 2 together and realized Cohen has told everything he knows about said hackers, who he was bag manning for and if he knew who the hackers were working for.

Also, the attack on McCain's grades that seemed to come out of nowhere probably hints that the House committees and Mueller have the threatening letters that Cohen sent to Trump's alma maters.

[quote]The Russians have already threatened to release their Kompromat live on Russian TV.

While it may not be the most important matter, please let it be the pee pee tapes. Somewhere, there needs to be a bit of entertainment and laughs in all this; at least for a moment.

People obsessed with the pee tapes need to let it go. There is nothing compromising in those tapes. Have you not paid attention ? Trump...and his base...WOULD NOT CARE. There are more effective forms of kompromat that Putin has...i.e. bribery, espionage, etc.

Does Trump actually believe that he and his family are all going to get away with this? Ivanka always appears completely unconcerned as if she knows something the rest of the world doesn’t.

Why wouldn't he, R564? And why wouldn't she? They've lived their lives getting away with everything.

Lesson Number One to being a successful con....NEVER LET THEM SEE YOU SWEAT.

" Is Cohen cutting the truth really thin by claiming never to have been in Prague because he flew in and stayed on the plane while others came aboard to collect the cash payment? Hence, since his feet never touched the ground, he wasn't technically in Prague."

I did not have sexual relations with that woman!

What’s Dumpy tweeting about now?

today I am sure this is upsetting Trump. who would have guessed that we had so much slime around.

[quote]Trump seems very concerned

Do I hear wedding bells for Ms. Susan Collins?

One of Cohen cellphones was tracked to Prague. If it wasn't him, he knows who was there and why they were meeting with Russian officials.

Kellyanne this morning on the WH lawn, is in campaign mode. Poor thang hasn't had the opportunity to speak with Trump about new revelations.

Le Senatrice kicks off her 2020 re-election campaign with Pence.

can't someone in South Carolina take her on? Mean not the way Pence will do.

Hey if DOJ notifies the lawyers for Donnie Jr and Jared that their indictments are coming down within a couple of weeks, then they tell their BFFs who then sell the info or leak the information to the media. It's impossible not to leak.

In all of this swirl and mess, let us not forget the NY office of the FBI who set in motion this farce.

Nothing is going to happen as long as those dirty agents are around. If they got wind of anything, they would certainly get it to the ghoul.

Once they get rooted out or retired, shit may start to speed up.

But my guess is they are still trying to protect this traitor and his spawn by whatever means necessary - even if that means warning them of impending doom coming from DA James or DA Vance.

[quote]Kellyanne this morning on the WH lawn

So they no longer allow her inside?

[quote] Probably wise since she is such a leaker.

The cleaning crew says they'll have to reupholster that couch.

The anonymous letter to the NYT a couple of months ago, I firmly suspect, was authored by Kellyanne with George. It has his writing style and word usage, and Kellyanne gave the insider's scoop.

Kellyanne is covering her a**, doing the Mercer's bidding, while portraying she's most loyal to Trump. She could have left the administration long ago.

Pin this....

Miss Sanders likes to tweet also. See her 2nd & 3rd March 16 tweets.

Get that gal a ham sandwich.

I can't see Cyclops-adjacent settling for anything less than the whole pig.

R563, me and "my base" WOULD CARE, and we would laugh. Oh, the lulz.

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R564, Ivanka & Jared always seem so serene and unconcerned because they each have been tucked and botoxed to within an inch of their lives.

r549 I agree that the CIA and others may not want to admit that Russia altered our elections and infiltrated our government at the highest levels. However, I think times are different than the 1960s when the CIA covered up the Russian involvement in Kennedy's assassination. Citizen journalists are a lot more savvy than in the 1960s. One good point of reference was people tracking the private Russian planes flying around the Trump campaign. Information is far easier to get and transmit. It's far harder to keep things quiet and secret with electronic data. Putin has a lot of cards here. If the CIA says Trump was innocent of collusion, Putin could simply release all the dirt on Trump and say to the American people that the CIA lies to you and throw the country into a complete tail spin that way as well. All the pieces are out there. Trump Tower computers communicating with Moscow. Cohen going to Prague. The GOP platform changing on Ukraine to a more Russia favored position. Cambridge Analytica. Manafort giving polling data to the Russians. Jared and Ivanka flying to Prague to met Putin's girl friend. Flynn speaking with the Russian ambassador. Jared asking for a secure channel to Moscow. Prince meeting with the Russians in Seychelles. Trump telling the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton's email on national television. Flynn and Jill Stein at Putin's celebratory dinner. Maria Butina and the NRA. I don't know what more we need to understand the truth.

I think the Pee Tape exists. I think it probably show fat Donald Trump with tiny dick in hand watching a bunch of underage Russian prostitutes pee on each other. I think Epstein probably has worse tapes.

I was not bashing Nancy at all but I think the truth is so terrible...so many people being owned by Putin. Not Democrats, only Republicans. I just think many in power, like Nancy, think they should keep Americans protected from this really awful truth.

Sure. Your posts about Nancy say otherwise.

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Good news r590!

The top Democrats from House and Senate Intel Committees and House and Senate Judiciary Committees are asking the FBI to investigate Li Yang and her relationship with Trump after reports that she created a business that may be selling access to Trump.

Great to hear r593!

According to CNN, the House Judiciary has received "tens of thousands" of documents after sending letters to 81 targets; not all have cooperated.

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