Part 20: Dangling Tendrils - All Things Meghan Markle

This snap is everything...

A picture speaks a thousand words...

Meghan really is Trump in such an obvious way. She can fuck up over and over and her latest is always worse than the one before it so that people have become desensitized to her awful behavior.

Wearing a sleeveless black and white dress to church for Steven Powell's annual memorial recognition in church while everyone else wore in chilly early April coats and arriving late was bad. She refused to wear a hat to her solo appearance with Queen Elizabeth despite her majesty's people asking her to do so. Meg wearing that horrid dark dress to Daisy Jenks and Charlie Van Straubenzee's English country wedding where she upstaged the couple by flashing her bra. Wearing a maternity coat to Princess Euge's wedding to get all of the attention when she had no bump. Dropping pregnancy news just before starting their 4 country Southern Pacific Commonwealth Tour, making herself the center of attention for the next two weeks.

All of that seems quaint when it comes to her "security scare" at the Fiji market, letting down fans of color. Not curtsying to the King and Queen of Tonga. Wearing a sundress slit up to her crotch on Fraser Island. Her invisible then huge baby bump that varied for two weeks in mysterious ways. Ignoring the Invictus Games then having the gall to give a speech at the closing ceremony (with no bump and a backless and shoulder baring dress). The constant cradling of her non-existant bump. The staged hug with her mentally ill fan club president in Auckland. Giving out awards to Commonwealth youth while wearing that stupid trench coat. Her $118,000 pound wardrobe for the trip which eclipsed what Kate spends in an ENTIRE YEAR.

She's Trump in every way. Meggy just piles on disgusting error after error so people forget all the ones that came before it.

What exactly does this Kensington palace split mean? Are will and Kate trying to distance themselves from this train wreck

r1 what is that picture from? Was this before she married?

I hate how she puts her hand up to her mouth when she laughs, so cutesy acting and fake.

I believe it was at Wimbledon in 2016 R5 So, she would have been "seeing" Harry around this time (depending on what version of their timeline you believe). I may have it wrong, Check Part 19 of DT, The poster who posted that snap originally would know for sure. And there are others to barf over!

Who are these folks, aristos? She clearly wanted it to seem like she was one of their peers. Thing is, she looks at least five years older than everyone in that group. Also, did she commission these photos? I could see her doing so to have something to post on her site. She was probably hoping to get a pic of her with her "friends". It probably infuriated her that none of them fell for it and rejected her. Harry really does seem like a dumbass for not sniffing out her game immediately.

The blonde to her left in the photo is Olivia Buckingham. There are pics of her at Wimbledon 2016 also with Violet von Westenholz, who allegedly played matchmaker for her and Harry. So you can see her MO was to infiltrate British social circles and gain a foothold in order to climb her way to royalty. I do believe those accounts that posit she was obsessed with Princess Di, and dreamed of becoming a princess herself. Her whole "I knew NOTHING about him, I just wanted to know, was he kind?" act is utterly false. She had her sights set on dimwit and did whatever it took to be brought to his attention. Sadly, for the rest of us, it is precisely because he is a true dimwit that we are now saddled with a narcissistic duchess.

Kaizer the General in Chief of the Sussex Stan Army (see I didn't use S***r) didn't like Harry's pic of preg Meghan.

Interesting, is she finally opening her eyes?

That picture from Wimbledon where she has to show her pass to be there is so flipping great. The next one in the series is too -- you see her natural pissed off face with no phony smile plastered on it. I propose this pic be placed at the top of every new Dangling Tendrils installment, for sake of the newbies, and as a general reminder.

Who was asking to see her pass?

Excellent idea r11 Is this the other snap you were referring too? Thanks again to R523 from Part 19 for finding these gems.

R12 It was someone who was sitting in the same box who asked to see her pass. They could smell "interloper" apparently. That would have been the ultimate dis for someone like her. This from the OP of the snap on Part 19, R532: "....One of the pics at Wimbledon 2016 when Meghan is asked by one of the others sitting in the box to show her pass, and she looks like she could cut a bitch. Apparently she was there as part of a Ralph Lauren contingent and then worked her way into that box...."

I wonder if she subsequently got booted from that box, or just her humiliation of obviously not fitting in was enough for them to delightfully feast upon?

As much as she works my nerves, it would have been a real dick move for a fellow attendee to ask for her pass (unless s/he had paid for the entire box or something— I don’t know how the seating works.)

R15 I know what you mean, but god knows she's pulled enough dick moves in her time, so perhaps a bit of instant karma. I've asked the OP of that snap if they wouldn't mind popping over here to fill in any blanks.

My suspicion why we haven't heard a peep on the Hazbeans since they've left NZ is that Chuck and Camilla are currently on their tour in Africa. If there is someone Nutmeg won't try to upstage, it's bonnie prince. She is working him like no one else now that she has that ring on her finger. I have to wonder if Dimwit got his dim from dad and wit from mom so I hedge my bets whether Chuck will give much ear to his courtiers to curb the thirst from the blatant hacktress.

Her hair at r13 looks like a wig. A cheap one.

I’m sure it isn’t... it just looks weird and plastic.

Yup, that's definitely a wig. You can tell because it looks groomed. Note the blatant merchandising with the clearly logo-ed ugly Ralph Lauren shoulder bag; she was part of the RL group there, and that's where her credentials originated. Shilling for Ralph has been ongoing

R19, would RL have asked her to shill, when no one knew who she was yet? Is it possible she was just carrying around that big-ass-logo handbag so that she'd look like she's rich? Wouldn't be surprised if it were a knockoff.

The word "narcissist" gets used a lot on DL. After having read the Quora post quoted in Part 20, it does seem to match MM's behavior. Here's my question: if narcissism is something a person is born with, can you blame them for being "such an asshole"? Is it possible to overcome narcissistic urges and focus on other people?

She is self-centered, not narcissist.

She can try to look less like a poseur but she won't change.

You certainly can be both a narcissist AND an asshole. You can also be a narcissist and a non-asshole. As long as the focus on you doesn't stray for long, everything is golden.

The fashions on the first major tour were boring, predictable and not worth the price.

Narcissism is usually more nurture than nature. Psycho/sociopathy are nature bred.

How are things on Gab, OP? Planning the next anti-semitic attack over there?

To whit, for the layman:

And yes, Nutmeg displays classic narcissist traits.

It’s the only classic thing about her r28, the rest is basic as fuck.

R26 No idea what you are on about.

Fucking GOLDEN r29!

Mulroney and Markle, so-called influencers, were definitely paid in merch, cash and travel by fashion brands, then and now. Clothing, jewelry, shoes, and probably any and everything Sparkles mentioned on that awful blog of hers. The point of contention is that it's unbeknownst to most onlookers -- when you see an ad on TV at least you know it's an ad. All or most designers whore out their brands, the rag trade is as sleazy as any other. Some DL fonts have intimate knowledge of this system, and have talked about it on past threads. Hopefully they will come back and tell us more.

R30 and R31 use British terminology just like the racist Zionist who goes to Gab and invites people to come here to her threads and shit on Markle. Classic racism.

I wonder if Zionist, racist OP is ok with Gab also being overrun with anti-semites? I guess so!

Well, r33 I don't know what "Gab" is, I am Canadian, and you are blocked. Enjoy your nonsensical rantings. I, for one, won't be seeing them.

R33 You're clearly a lunatic.

#Blocked

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From the previous thread, the "psychiatrist post". I want to clarify Kate's "MA". As an ancient Scottish uni, St Andrews awards MAs after 3 years of study. Kate's MA is not the same as a US Masters degree, 4 years of study followed by 2 years and exams/thesis.

But don't get me wrong. Meghan, coming from a private school and ticking some boxes, would have been very welcome at Northwestern even if her grades and SAT/ACT scores weren't the best. And her inability to fully grasp the English language, as evidenced by her blog posts, suggests that she's not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Her writing is like her: pretentious, OTT and superficial.

She's not dumb but not as clever as she thinks.

I'm a technical editor. Her writing is cluttered and awkward. A good writer agrees with Hemingway: when it comes to words: less is more, and small words are better than big words. Be clear. Be concise. In her blog posts, she uses too many adjectives. They're not really adding any needed information; they instead serve to remind the audience that she's "educated". And many of the words she uses are uncommon in day-to-day language. If I'm reading a blog post about a shoe, and the author sounds like she just completed a "SAT verbal vocabulary prep course", then I'm going to stop reading the damn blog rather than run to fetch my dictionary. A blog about shoes shouldn't be a lesson in vocabulary. Don't cause more work for the reader just because you want to prove how smart you are.

This is R39 again. I have dealt with plenty of writers like her before. I remember arguing, "Why say 'utilize' when you can simply say 'use'? The two words mean the exact same thing." A text's reading level is determined by taking a sample and counting the number of words that use three or more syllables." The rule of thumb is to never write above a 7th- or 8th-grade reading level. People have different levels of education; some people have learning disabilities, and others are non-native speakers. Why would you write something aimed at the PhD level...when you're audience is current and future Hollywood residents? WTF

This is R39/R49. Very embarrassed to have have written "you're audience" instead of "your audience" in that last line above. Also for the extra set of end quotes on line 3. Especially in a post complaining about grammar. Oh, dear!

[quote]when you're audience is current and future Hollywood residents? WTF

Oh DEAR!!

Where is the Grammar Nazi when we need him?

In a back room somewhere in the vicinity of Soho Farmhouse trying to photoshop the horrible fashions away so we don’t fall comma over apostrophe while discussing them r43.

R42, see R41

already seen, r45.

Bitter, stuck up, jealous f.a.ggots. If England had just minded their own business and not "import" Africans as slaves and steal land from the Native Americans... KILLING OUT ENTIRE TRIBES.....Meghan wouldn't be here married to Harry.

The logic where is it?

R39/R40 I thought your posts were interesting and informative. Everyone makes mistakes while typing, especially if you are doing so on a phone, tablet, etc.

R47 ???????

Time to take your meds.

He can’t r50, he isn’t in Britain so can’t afford them.

[quote]"Why say 'utilize' when you can simply say 'use'? The two words mean the exact same thing."

Thank you for saying this. Many years ago when I was a Ph.D. level candidate in a psychology program, I used "utilize" in a paper for a seminar taught by a very well known (now departed) developmental psychologist and received the exact same criticism from her. I wasn't exactly writing for a seventh or eight grade level reader, but for an audience who could smell pretension from over a mile away in submissions to academic journals. The jargon in our respective fields was more than enough to spin heads (I wasn't in developmental, btw, but fulfilling a requirement). The rule of thumb "less is more" is so apt. Markle's labored writing more than exposed her pretensions. At least, it may have driven her fans to much needed exposure to a dictionary.

R36 My theory is that the designers prefer to lend her navy and black clothes because they won’t stain so badly so will require less cleaning on return.

Don't darker clothes show sweat stains more? (i.e. the white stains from the saline in sweat) Don't mean to gross you all out, but now in menopause when I sweat at the drop of a hat, my darker clothes have a white ring at the base of the sweat area where the saline has gathered. My cat loves to live them. I know, TMI.

R8, the young woman directly in front of her is the actress Olivia Lovibond (W1A etc.) and the red head next to her is the actress Eleanor Tomlinson (Poldark.)

^My cat loves to LICK them.

Yes, still TMI, but there I go.

And, why the fuck is R33 (since FF'ed and Ignored) trying to bring the fascist Gab dot com into our conversation as tangentially as tangential can be? Likely a mental case with the tendency to loosely associate anything and everything. Goodness, the stretch.

The thing about Meg at Wimbledon in 2016 is she kept roaming from box to box. Nobody knew who she was and it's clear by the ew faces that something about her raised alarms and incredulity. It's clear from the pic of her sitting adjacent to Wintour that Wintour doesn't know her from a hole in the ground. Yet Markle transformed that seat crashing moment into "I was sitting next to Anna Wintour, a friend, and when I felt chilly in my simple but expensive dress, she loaned me her exquisite cardigan." Andrew Morton then reports it as gospel, because he's a tabloid hack.

OT - this is why anything that came out of Morton's book on Diana I dismiss. He doesn't verify. He just reports what his subject says on face value.

I think Markle just trend-hops. As affected as her writing style blatantly is, I bet she ripped it off from someone she knows. One of the tumblr blogs found archives of her "working actress" blog and printed excerpts, underscoring all the times Markle mentioned drinking wine. I think to imply she was a wino. Now while I wouldn't be surprised if Markle did drink, drug and party hard, I think the wine mentions was just her slotting herself into a certain type of "aspirational" upscale woman. Every damn woman on instagram has rose' in every other post, and makes ahhhh-wine! posts. It's a thing. And her mentioning ezekial bread. That's shit she's picked up that she's read other people do, so she adapts it as part of her humble brag, "I just take it for granted this is how people lifestyle - doesn't everybody?" while what she actually does and how she lives is different. I remember when the small Toronto house was on the market. The backyard was nice but over-run and the deck was waterlogged and splintered. However, she'd staged a bunch of pinter-esty soft focus instagram posts there, as if it were a wildflower garden. I also remember seeing a picture of her using her phone to photograph something on a table, getting in close while the table was a fucking pigsty.

And, of course, she was wearing black at Wimbledon. No one wears black at Wimbledon.

It was black suede. In July.

Everybody else is in summery clothing. I really think she just has no idea, and that's why she leans on Mulroney. She looks so freaking bad so much of the time, but maybe her ego prefers being seen to be merching than to admit she doesn't know what labels would look good on her. I mean, obviously she memorized "Erdem", but what else?

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Re the "psychiatrist" from the Quora site - didn't get a chance to post on that before the thread closed.

I very much doubt the poster is a psychiatrist, but someone posting a pastiche of views from other sites and some lingo from the DSM; psychiatrists have to have M.D.s as well as their other specialty degrees and training, and are unlikely to exhibit the dismal grammar the "Quora" poster showed.

But that said, there are, in my view, grains of truth in the comments that others have noted. I think Diana suffered from NPD and I believe Meghan Markle does, too, which would explain Dimwit's pathetic attraction for her. He's the one of the two brothers going through the oldest ritual in the world: trying to repeat his childhood only this time making it come out right. Some children of dysfunctional try to go as far in the other direction as possible, whilst others try desperately to go in the same direction, hoping this time it will give them what they wanted but couldn't get from the original.

The Wimbledon videos and snaps are the truth about Sparkle - her ruthless social ambition and willingness to do anything to get where she wants to go. Harry was a perfect mark for her talents. The nasty trick she played on Eugenie at her wedding with the maternity coat was also classic Meghan. The astronomical cost of her tour wardrobe, ditto - she's married to the sixth in line, she isn't a future Queen. A perfectly acceptable and pretty wardrobe could have been assembled for half the cost, leaving aside a couple of evening gowns.

The poster upthread is also correct that NPD leaves the sufferer perennially hungry for endless assurance that she is the center of attention. We may probably expect to see Meghan pulling some tricks and leaks as Kate and William surge ahead in status and rank (not to mention wealth). It will be interesting to see if, when the novelty and romance fade, she starts to drive Harry crazy with her demands.

The split between the two brother's "courts" was probably a natural eventuality once they married and had children, but I don't doubt that Kate and William have taken Meghan's measure accurately, and want as much distance between her and their family as possible. What Charles really thinks is a matter for conjecture. Certainly, Meghan won't have fooled Camilla at all.

It should be an interesting few years. If the marriage goes tits up, it will be, as it was with Diana, Meghan Markle overestimating her power and overplaying her hand.

Per several comments on tumblr, Harry won't have a separate court - meaning won't get separate and independent funding. Rather he is being folded in with the other "lesser royals" - Anne, Edward, Andrew. That means staff and PR is consolidated, and the budget for Harry and M is reduced. KP will be just William and Catherine. The article reporting the split made it clear it was onwards and upwards for Will and Kate, while between the lines one read that Harry and Meghan were a blank slate - which is not a good thing in their position.

She is merching. She's not spending. But, to merch one needs engagements and a platform and to be seen. Right now there is a flood of speculation about her next engagements - it seems to come from her and is like "let's throw shit at the wall and see what sticks."

I have been watching The Windsors and it made me wonder about something. There are two types of phonies - ones who are intentionally manipulating others and others who really believe their own bullshit. In The Windsors, MM is portrayed as the second; sincere and well-meaning but shallow and fake. Yet MM haters think the opposite, that her act is the result of ruthless ambition. I am on the fence.

The relentless clawing, climbing, discarding, and ghosting lead me to believe it’s the latter and that it’s something that was drilled into her head from a young age.

Paraphrasing — If they’re not doing anything for you, cut them loose.

Namaste, R65.

Love and light, r66.

You've sold me, R65. But maybe it's possible to be both kinds of phonies at once? Or switch from one to the other?

I've noticed something about underdog strivers, whether their less-than status derives from their race, religion, looks or economic status - they justify whatever they do to get ahead on that basis, as if they're leveling the playing field.

If you don't get the high visibility gigs, which I suspect is true of most of the RF events, then how long will it be before the Harry & Sparkle show becomes less visible? With less publicity.

Here's a link to the Royal Family engagements starting Nov 3, 2018 to give an idea of the kinds of events they attend.

NOTE: The Princess Royal will be in Canada next week.

Engagements are scheduled up to 8 weeks in advance.

And here's the Princess Royal's schedule until the end of the year.

I can't wait til the reality of being a minor royal sinks in, eg the opening of senior care homes in the Midlands, in the winter in the freezing rain. Those tendrils and bare legs are going to take a hammering. Going to church at Balmoral will be the highlight of the year. There will be no Norland nannies to deal with the kiddos, either; it will be an Eastern European au-pair that Harry will fuck within a fortnight.

A poster on the previous thread asked that I repost this interview here. So, per request. It really shows what a mean girl she really is.

Who is the princess royal ?

I believe that if Harry had married a biracial American actress who actually was as Meghan was advertised - ready to move onto the next stage of her life having passed her sell by date as an "actress", well-educated, comfortable in the spotlight and even enjoying it, articulate, truly passionate about progressive causes - it wouldn't have mattered that Harry was #6 in line and they would become increasingly minor. They both would have been deployed as high profile for the indefinite future, the BRF would have promoted the "Fab 4", and Meghan/Harry would have had a platform far beyond what his position in line would normally indicate.

However, and particularly starting with Eugenie's wedding but definitely before that - they have proved themselves over and over to be immature assholes, Meghan in particular absolutely incorrigible. Her 1-2 punch of the maternity coat at Eugenie's wedding, then deplaning at the start of the tour clutching folders and absolutely BURSTING with the unreleased announcement she was pregnant - buried them. The fact that she pulled the coat stunt then made the announcement so the entire tour would be about HER and not the places and countries they visited, compounded by her incessant fake belly cradling (I believe she's pregnant but that belly shit is bullshit) so we would NEVER forget it was about HER, PLUS her having "security concerns" in a marketplace meant to promote "safe markets" for women of color, and the crowds she feared WERE WoC - she is fucking DONE. That she couldn't see this is amazing. OTOH, it's Betty. And as someone pointed out in Tendrils #19, Betty does jackshit. She sits on her hands. When it gets scandalous, she throws honors and titles at the miscreant, as Harry's obscene phony military titles prove. Is this tour scandalous enough for Betty to do something? Doubt it. It's down to Will, and he HAS done something. Charles knows that Will can shit on his legacy and should have a much longer reign, so I believe Will is the real power among the BRF.

The Princess Royal is the title bestowed on the sovereign's oldest daughter. Once bestowed, they hold the title for life.

Princess Anne received the title in June 1987 from her mother, Queen Elizabeth.

Will Meghan get the KP apt?

And Princess Charlotte will get the Princess Royal title, eventually. once Anne passes.

We shall see, R76.

I've always thought there was a strong possibility that they would not.

After the bullshit she's been pulling on that tour, would they really reward her with that?

And if the RF don't think the marriage will last, they might be wary that they would never get Sparkle out of that big apartment once she was in.

But, who knows?

R75 thank you 😊

R77, Anne did not get the title Princess Royal when the previous holder of the title, the Queen's Aunt Mary died in 1965. It was 22 years before Princess Anne became The Princess Royal

And, according to the schedule at R70, Princess Anne will pay a visit to Chile from November 27, 2018 to December 2, 2018.

If you can't add anything to my fabulous life, namaste the hell away from me.

R73 by the time that you’d typed your basic question you could have typed “Princess Royal” into Google and gotten an immediate answer.

What is it with you lazy cunts?

R83, I'm going to respond, politely. I'm not R73. I know about 'The Princess Royal' thing already. But many of us, on threads that discuss the British Royals, have received an education from some very well-informed Brits about some of the finer points, that aren't that easily gleaned by just Googling every single item. Like the difference between 'Your Majesty' and 'Your Royal Highness', about the protocol over which ladies must curtsy to other ladies. About the order of succession, and the rules for the Royals on marriage. I've been corrected, a number of times, for some faux pas, and I was actually happy to learn something. I don't make the same mistakes a second time (err, I think).

I know many people on DL hate any threads about Royals (British or otherwise), but they actually bring some really well-informed people out to share all sorts of arcane minutiae. I like arcane minutiae.

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[quote]Per several comments on tumblr, Harry won't have a separate court - meaning won't get separate and independent funding. Rather he is being folded in with the other "lesser royals" - Anne, Edward, Andrew. That means staff and PR is consolidated, and the budget for Harry and M is reduced. KP will be just William and Catherine.

I love it, Harry and Shmegs will hate being grouped in the 2nd tier

Tumblr comments know shit.

I don't say they're wrong, will see, but they don't have special knowledge.

Wow, that is one ugly car. It looks more like a Koala than a Jaguar.

I think many of you are reading far too much into the separate courts thing. Harry, prior to his marriage earlier this year, had all his official Court activities run out of the same office as his brother, since he was single and only had the one calendar to coordinate...he was basically just "tacked on" to the Cambridges for office efficiency.

Now that he's married and starting a family, it's time for him as the head of the "Sussex House" to be established separately, especially since the Cambridges are very obviously moving up in the hierarchy and taking on new responsibilities.

It's all starting to fall into place for the inevitable..."London Bridge" is falling within the next few years, like it or not. The Queen is going to die soon(ish) rather than later(ish). That, and/or, maybe they are preparing for the possibility of a Regency period if the Queen becomes too physically or mentally frail to do the job. Charles is getting ready to become King within the next few years and since he's going to be into his 70s when that happens, they're starting to groom the Cambridges for the next steps....becomes the new Waleses and eventually the new King and Queen probably within the next 15 to 20 years.

The Cambridges are moving into the main track while the Sussexes (is that right) move into "Second Child Track"....whether they like it or not.

And, the Sussexes are going to get that larger apartment. It's either they get a larger apartment in Kensington or the Queen/Charles buys them their own country estate (which may still happen as well). With a baby and the need for more staff present to care for baby, they will not be able to make do with that small Kensington cottage.

The Daily Beast article on the division of the Cambridge and Sussex courts presents it as a positive move for all. Hmm.

Tom Sikes's job is to kiss the Sussex ass. I don't trust this sycophant.

Sykes thinks it's obvious HazzBean gonna have their own court, but it's not sure.

They can have their own court or be absorbed like the others, time will tell.

They are going to have to calm Megs down so she doesn't overshadow Kate who will be married to the future King

R94 haha overshadowing Kate ! In what parallel universe is that gonna happen .

15 to 20 years? Charles will be lucky if he makes it to 75.

Agree r96. Meghan will then have multiple opportunities to wear her favoured colour black at more appropriate occasions. She'll still be looking for those cameras at the funerals too.

Giving them separate courts just plays into Meghan's delusions that she is on the same level as William and Kate. I hope they are not that foolish. But that latest article in Vanity Fair makes it seem as though Charles is weak to her flattery.

Maybe the new VF editor is eating Meghan's ass with a spoon.

I really want Charles to die with his beached whale body planted firmly beside Meghan's glory hole, whilst trying his damnedest with his fat fingers to be her tampon.

Oh my, the visuals.

It would be convenient for the monarchy if Charles stroked out prior to becoming king.

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Will Bean will make over one of the rooms in KP as a birthing yurt?

That article at r85 is so full of shade mushrooms could grow in it. The DM is very carefully laying out the pattern that shows MerchAgain is a latter day Marie Antoinette. The “let them eat cake” moment of ‘I want you to give the leftover cake to the poor children outside’ was so fabulously stupid of her. She sets herself up without any help.

The purported cost of her horrible wardrobe, the fact very little of it is British (let’s not forget promoting Britain is literally her job), and now the largesse distributed to her cronies. It just shows what a mistake it was to threaten the British press with legal action and accuse them of racism when nobody had a clue who she was. They will not publish one word that cannot be proven but it will be carefully presented to paint a picture - like the article about the cost of her clothes right next to the article about how to spot a narcissist.

The British press drove Yoko out of England because they hated her so much. Maybe they can work the same kind of magic with Bean! Or at least make her life a living hell.

WTF I read that her wardrobe on this tour was 130000 £ . No way her clothes where that much ! I would say no more than 30000£ . The biggest scam on this earth beside Cheetolini in the White House !

R90, I thought Wills and his family lived in that home until George was 2?

More styling....

R61 I had a flashback to the miniseries V. It looks like she's going to unhinge her jaws and swallow that poor creature whole, like she did with Dim.

Talking about more staff for the baby, r90, - this must be a major ongoing culture change and potential stressor for MM. Being born into that lifestyle is one thing but finding herself, almost overnight, knee deep in lackeys expecting access to rooms to get on with housekeeping duties while overhearing conversations and noting everything about her must be a challenge. How the servants must talk. Kate and William lived together in their final years at university so she would have had a much more gradual introduction and exposure this.

^ to this

R108 Not surprising. That wedding was the hottest of hot messes and very "Meghan" in that it all seemed to be very surface, no depth or meaning. A man she barely knew walked her down the aisle after daddy was deemed unsuitable. She had ONE relative there but a 100 celebs she'd never met or only had a passing acquaintance with. She had those flowers of the Commonwealth on her veil, not being from a Commonwealth country or with any great connection to them. What about the poppies of your beloved California or the symbols of the four nations of your new home? No she wanted the flowers of countries she'd maybe visited while yachting.

What Meghan wants Meghan gets. Hear it loud and clear.

Do you suppose Meagain finds herself bored and at loose ends? What would she do all day? She can't shop. Her fellow grifters are time zones away. Seems unlikely she's got any friends in the UK. Markus Anderson must be the one she sees most but even he will be all over the world for his job. Days must be long.

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Soho House weekdays, Farmhouse on weekends r114.

The Sussex PR and office operations are all that is meant by a "court". Separate staff, etc., which of course means the Sovereign Grant will be supporting them. They will absolutely be given something bigger than Nottingham Cottage, but if Meghan really has already sowed hostility between the Cambridge and Sussex households, they may be given somewhere else besides a huge apartment separated from the Cambridges only by one door. Or, HM may tell the Cambridges to suck it up for a little while, as it won't be long until they move to Clarence House. Because if HM makes Charles Prince Regent, she will head for the countryside for her semi-retirement, leaving Charles to head into Buck House, and jumping the Cambridges up to Clarence House. The latter is a far grander residence than KP, a beautiful Georgian mansion that was the Queen Mother's home for a long while. The Queen may move to Royal Lodge or Windsor itself.

I don't think the Sussexes will be "folded into" the second tier of royals too quickly, as, with the movement behind the scenes going on, the Cambridges will be preparing for the upgrade but whilst still the parents of three young children. The Sussexes will be worked hard, finding themselves eventually in the position of the Wessexes (that is, Sophie Wessex): expected to work their arses off for the Firm but without any chance of "promotion".

This will be Meghan's payment for the life she was so eager to achieve: lots of boring engagements, endless nasty shade in the DM the Mirror and the Sun, whilst her husband's brother and his wife don't have to work quite that hard because their place in the hierarchy ensures regular upgrades in status, rank, wealth, and accommodations. Not to mention power over the purse strings, eventually, that determine how much "extra" Harry and Meghan get, at William's pleasure.

It would be quite a blow for the Sussexes (that is to say, to the Duchess) if Charles predeceases his mother, making William King sooner rather than later, requiring public curtsies and bows from the Sussexes for the rest of their lives, and a carefully orchestrated arse-kissing shift in demeanour from Meghan if she wants William to dispense those extra revenues from the Duchy of Lancaster. Because the Duchy of Cornwall will belong to Prince George, then, and its revenues revert to the Crown until he becomes of age.

And the shape of her life, with nowhere else to climb, beholden permanently to the goodwill of those she really wants to undermine, will become clear to the erstwhile L.A. grifter.

Juicy!

R117, exactly. Which is why I think she’s using Harry as a stepping stone. She’s going for the billionaires she can finally access, being Duchess. Even though she’s no spring chicken, she’s got a shot, like other gold diggers (Mariah Carey, Miranda Kerr, Amal Clooney, Kate Winslet, Queen Wendi Deng).

Royal life doesn’t have nearly enough perks for the amount of restriction. She’ll be OUT.

Why the hell would they be given a jaguar?

I am confused that posters here believe that MM did not understand Harry's prospects or lack thereof prior to "trapping" him.

R121, good point that can be explained by single-mindedness and overconfidence.

She knew. She just thought she could bulldoze her way. (And so far, she has, so.)

She expressed her surprise at the existence of the Commonwealh, which she now adores. She knew only what she wanted to know.

I'm not even sure she trapped him to keep him... she probably did it for publicity purposes for her mediocre career... date a prince for awhile, even play a little victim card, cash in on being former girlfriend of... then she either got swept up in the fantasy or realized what an easy mark he was... probably a bit of both... he seems to need to protect her... catnip to an ambitious actress.

R117 - Prince Andrew resides at Royal Lodge so I don't think the Queen will move in with him. Windsor Castle is an option.

What about if the Queen simply transfers residence with Charles and Camilla? Clarence House was already established as a dowager place with the mum, and was previously Lillibet and Phil's London home before ascending the throne. I'm not so sure they would move W&K right away after such recent "expensive" renovations since QEII would only be in the Clarence digs maybe a decade.

I wonder if William and Kate would elect to stay at Kensington Palace, come the day. They may prefer it with a young family. Clarence House sits adjacent to The Mall. The garden is small and traffic noise is inescapable. There's no rule about who lives where except that, conventionally, the sovereign lives at Buckingham Palace (and Windsor and Balmoral and Sandringham.). Charles and Camilla may not leave Clarence House.

Selfie time with Nutmeg.

Migraine Meghan - typical Hollywood shit.

Watch the Touchy Feely Couple.

Dangling smugness is her specialty.

Selfie X 2.

Meghan the Duchess of Flowers.

Playing with her hair at a wedding reception before she married Harry. Her look at the camera says it all.

The attention whoring continues.

On this thread “we”think the tour was a bust..but I think the general public was pleased?..

If the BRF doesn't make sure to make Duke Dimwit and Duchess Merchan pretty much irrelevant as soon as possible, these two will pose a real threat to the institution's reputation.

The ridiculous Zuckerschnecke's back at R135 ... hey, will you try promoting your stupid Sardines crap in this thread, too?

R133, didn’t they have a lover’s quarrel at that wedding? I recall some sort of drama there.

R135 the overwhelming response from the public seems to range from ‘meh’ to ‘what a fucking shambles’.

If they were more likeable, the rough edges would be endearing. But they are assholes, so the terrible clothes, constant PDA, and general sloppiness are just irritating.

R135, they certainly have their supporters but they also have a group of haters as well. It seemed to me that the tour was a success but there are those who insist Harry and Meghan does nothing right and are hated by all.

R135 and R141 are the same person, aren't they?

Apparently so. Characterizing the clown and circus show these two spoilt babies just did as a "tour" is the giveaway. Refugee from CB probably, lost in the wilderness.

Not according to trolldar, R142.

God, she looks mentally ill at r133.

Who flings their hair around so dramatically in public?

Much less where other people are eating/drinking? No, I don’t want your nasty ass hair in my food or glass.

No home trading at all.

On the plus side, I like her dress.

[quote] Meghan really is Trump in such an obvious way.

She's also Hitler, Stalin and evil incarnate.

^She's not.

Nevertheless she's an asshole.

Actually R87 on quite a few occasions incoming anons on tumblr have correctly forecast what means what and what is next. Not the bloggers themselves, but some drive bys. It's very easy to say "Tumblr knows shit." When I know you haven't checked it out yourself. Not saying it's not a safe ASSUMPTION because obvious is obvious, but I think it's equally true that people who have any dish or insider slant on the BRF have very few places to drop it if they want to share what they know. It's a specialized interest, to say the least.

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She has been hammering the Charles thing since she got back from the tour. I think she's hoping to kiss his ass and loosen his purse strings since she and Harry will be "under" him, and also hoping people believe he is actually writing her checks for her riidiculous wardrobe.

Riiiiight. Sparkles family except probably for a couple things is just like the Windsors. Sounds legit.

R149, did they dare criticize Liz and Phil as dysfunctional parents? Ouch.

Lots of bridges being burned by Charles, Dim and Sparkle. Hope he lives a long life but it does not appear likely. They may be painting themselves into quite a corner.

I thought Charles had her booted for taking snaps of private space? Now he is credibly up her ass? Does he have early dementia or has he always been this dumb and easily played? Trashing his sons and their dead mother in print would suggest that may have been the case all along. William looks better and better just by marginally taking the higher road.

R149 - the DM article is a masterpiece, a true masterpiece. Its headline suggests that Meghan and Charles have an actual "bond". When you read down, the assertion actually comes from "a member of Charles's inner circle" , not one member of which inner circle would ever talk to the DM. So in fact, whilst dressed up as some sort of reported fact, the article is in fact made up completely of whole cloth. No one close to Charles would talk to the DM and what this really reeks of is Meghan Markle's PR organisation working overtime. Or, contrariwise, someone at Clarence House leaning on the DM to say something nice about her to offset the many unpleasant comments about her during the tour.

And, whilst the DM appears to cluck sympathetically over brave Meghan's coping with her hideous family (including her rather pathetic father, who by all accounts, did quite a lot for her and was then brutally cut off when she started dating a famous scion of European royalty) - it also reminds the reading public of what a piece of trash she is.

I tell you, Tolstoy himself would stand amazed at the talents of the DM.

R142 - "Ouch"? Has anyone considered that if this is Meghan's PR burning the candle at both ends, what a public dissing of Charles's still living parents, one of whom is still the Sovereign, and still has all her buttons mentally and who probably skims the DM regularly, would look like to the BRF?!

To Charles's brother and sister, nieces and nephews, possibly Charles himself? No matter what Charles's inner feelings about his Mum and Dad, he believes in respect for the Sovereign and in not washing the family linen in public.

That's what got Diana the boot at last and turned her into a Windsor outcast.

If MM was in on planting this story, I would wager the DM all too gleefully obliged her; they probably know Charles better than she does.

If she wasn't in on it, then the DM is not doing her any particular favours with this story.

This is not about a "bond". This is about sowing more family schisms.

What did you think of the Vanity Fair piece, R155? I mean the recent one about Charles and the boys, not the slightly older one where MeAgain played Dim. Vanity Fair sure loves to mix it up with this lot.

R156 - You mean the one dated 1st November? That seemed to be more about Charles and Camilla than Charles and the boys.

You're right, Vanity Fair has a peculiar history with reporting on the BRF. Katie Nicholls is their lead royal reporter, and I don't think she's privy to the inside info as she pretends to be - I think recently, when asked where and how she got her information, she became vague and evasive and talked about her "excellent contacts". VF seems, for all its cachet, not to be too far from the DM in its royal reporting: it veers from one direction to another on the BRF, taking note only of what will get it the most interest. I thought the article, if that's the one you were referring to, more interesting from the point of view of Charles and Camilla than Charles and the boys.

Unless you were speaking of a different article?

That is the one, R157. There has been a sudden PR push/focus on him, perhaps leading up to a change. How did you think they came across in the piece?

They (William and Harry) are not boys. They are both closer to being middle aged than being “boys”.

Why do people persist in labelling them as such?

R158 - The PR push is not unexpected given he's going to be 70. Whether the celebrations attached to the Big Seven-Oh are also indicative of movement behind the scenes is anyone's guess. I thought the remarks about Charles's "hand" being all over the Sussex wedding absurd, frankly. I have no doubt that Charles loves his son, but all he did was walk Meghan down the last half of the aisle and escort her Mum.

I thought the article was definitely "pro Charles" and intended to flatter and show him as an elder statesman of sorts. So he and Camilla came across very favourably. There was an oblique reference to Charles's violation of the strict prohibition against political activity but very tactful (I was infuriated, personally - we spent a few centuries ensuring they didn't retain political power along with their seemingly eternal social and economic advantages), and of course there was a complete omission of other legends about Charles (like insisting that his shoelaces are ironed).

I did get a bit queasy at the wearisome suggestion that Charles and Camilla were getting cosier in public thanks to Meghan and Harry - because I view the endless displays of PDA between the Sussexes as something that will turn into an expectation, so that come the day that they don't, the public will wonder what's wrong.

What did you think?

R112, Markle had a California Poppy and Wintersweet that grows outside Nottingham cottage embroidered on her veil.

It doesn't excuse any of her awfulness it's just a fact.

It struck me as kind of a campaign, R160. I had the same reaction to the PDA narrative. I have lived just fine without watching royals, young or old paw at one another in public. Brings to mind tampongate, best forgotten.

I thought the VF piece played better than the excerpts of the new bio - I was brought up to not speak ill of the dead. That and to not speak ill of the other parent kids. That he is doing both in a paroxysm of self pity, thinking that it will make the public or his children think better of him, to me indicates that he is best passed over. His parents have termed him hopeless and they should know. Such an unappealing display reminds me of Kavanaugh. Angry old drunk privileged men drowning in self pity and hurting those closest to them. Ick. Have some dignity! Harry truly is the worst of both of his parents.

Bump

Vanity Fair has been getting dragged all over the yard since Carter left, just about a year ago, specifically about its deadly awful cover stories. And now CHARLES is on there? Oh, they're not gonna like that.

VF "...was for a long time the Cirque de Soleil of monthlies. Today, it's a lounge act...."

I'm in the midst of reading the VF piece and was struck by this:

[quote]Operation London Bridge will be followed by Operation Golden Orb, the top-secret plan for Charles’s coronation. Preparation for both stepped up after Christmas 2016, when the Queen did not appear for church services at Sandringham. [bold]“A heavy cold” was the reason given by Buckingham Palace, but according to a Palace insider, her condition was quite grave. As that source said, “It put everybody on notice that they have to be ready whenever it does happen.”[/bold]

I remember her absence and the reason given, as well as speculation that it was worse than the official explanation, but to use "grave" to describe her condition is a bit startling. I wonder what the illness really was. It also underscores the fact that she's seemed "off" to a number of posters on the Royals threads.

Isn't the story that Charles has no intention of ever leaving Clarence House? Nobody wants to live in Buckingham Palace. After the extensive renovations (Her Maj finally taking the hit/blame for long overdue overhaul) it will be for royal offices, receptions, state occasions etc. Also more tourist access, a lot more. The King will live at Clarence House, the Prince of Wales will live in Kensington Palace. Phil was pissed when they renovated Clarence and had to move out immediately. The widowed Queen Mum got it. I think Charles renovated a few years ago.

Also, while the Cambridges are moving up, Phil's done, Her Maj is slowing down, the Kents and Princess Alexandra are ancient. Anne's a workhorse but she's getting on, Sophie is taking up slack but isn't Charles's line. I thought he wanted the whole thing stripped down to himself, Cammy, Wills, Kate, their kids, Harry, Megan, their kids, with maybe Sophie and Edward filling in. He wants Andrew, the Yorkies and Sarah to get some fucking jobs.

At least that's what I've been hearing for a while, with Andrew pitching hissy fits over it to his Mummy and whining about the Yorkies and all that mess. Andrew's a mess in general, Sarah's a mess and a grifter, Bea seems useless and I feel a bit sorry for Yuge.

R162 there is no evidence his parents termed him hopeless. Diana said that but she said a lot of things that weren’t true, she was incredibly manipulative.

With its "Wild About Harry" Meghan Markle cover story, Vanity Fair clearly got all of its info 100% from Jessica Mulroney. The entire piece centered on how Meghan suggested she and Harry retreat to the Mulroneys for privacy. There, Harry heard stories about his mummy via Ben, who met Harry's mum when Ben was a kid and his dad was prime minister. This sort of thing of course implies Meghan's bona fides - she is friends with highly placed people who knew Harry's mummy! Vanity Fair takes Harry's statement about press and racism at face value and ignores that it has been debunked. Finally. Vanity Fair tells us that when Meghan saw Harry with the Mulroney's kids, that was what made up her mind. Because of course Meghan is all about the kiddos.

Over the years, and thinking about pieces VM has done on Will and Kate (particularly the ones about how Will and Kate ended up engaged/married after their brief 2007 split), it definitely appears they got 99% of their info from Camp Harry, as the dish on Kate and Will usually includes Harry or his "friends" opinion.

Absolutely, R160, the pawing and stroking on the tour was a Harkle campaign. So was Megala's belly cradling.

When I think of it, I'm happy with however it turns out. I think Queenie and Phil are too old to do anything, and have ALWAYS basically caved in in the end. They prefer to bury problems in honours and titles than do anything. At this point, with the honours piled onto Harry, it's gross. One more military honor and lightning should strike him dead.

Charles. As gadhelpus as he can come across, it is clear from the garden party shortly after the wedding that he has no truck with Meg and neither does Camilla. He had "a word" with Harry, ignored his supposedly beloved Meg, and went away, leaving it to Harry to sort an immediate exit. In comes Camilla to smooth things over, and an awkward "I was going to not air kiss but now it seems conspicuous so I suppose we must" couple of seconds ensued, during which their finger tips may have hesitantly waggled in mutual vicinity. As ever with Markle, this has now been interpreted as Camilla and MM "clasping hands" in the garden. Charles is not a soft touch, money wise, he is not a soft touch, protocol-wise, and he is not a soft touch, spotlight wise.

Can anyone tell me if the rumor that MM was caught taking snaps of "private places" in BP (was it?) is true or is it a DL invention? I've only heard it on here, but I haven't been able to find it elsewhere.

Invictus Games. Markus Anderson next to Bean.

What year was that r171? She looks pre-tendril there.

She looks high as fuck.

Was she known as a big drug user pre-Harry? Although obviously not much of anything was known about her by most people.

I desperately want them to vacation in Italy so we can have the headline The Mercher In Venice.

Actually, R170, the story as I read it on (another site) was that (1) she showed up twice at one of William and Harry's polo games supposedly to give the impression she was the girlfriend. One of the 2 times she actually had gotten a ticket. But the other time she had no ticket was told to leave and there are pictures of William supposedly standing and watching her being escorted off.

The other story was that she was caught taking pictures of private spaces and escorted to the airport and watched until she flew out of the country.

I have no personal information about the truth of falsity of either of these stories.

Just saw them on another site, which also contained the pictures from the polo game where she is seen in the parking lot and, if I recall correctly, one can see William from the back standing and watching as she is escorted out.

R176 how did she go from being escorted away from Harry's polo game to becoming his wife? Not doubting your story but the evolution of their relationship is just mind boggling.

The Vanity Fair article was one piece of it, R177.

I think another part of the story is that she supposedly showed up at that wedding (of one of Harry's friends) in Jamaica without an invitation. And that Harry was not glad to see her.

I think someone up thread posted a picture of the two of them sitting at a table alone. He doesn't look happy.

I do remember seeing another picture from that Jamaica event where a young woman had come up to the table to talk to Harry and I think Sparkle was looking daggers.

She showed up at a wedding uninvited?! And he did not have her escorted out? The weird photos and vid of Doria, Markus and Dim at the IG is another piece of it. It is not just about him rescuing her, I do not think.

What does she have on him that he married her? What has Harry been up to at Soho House? I can buy she is a dyke and is bearding but there is more to it.

Thanks so much for filling me in R176. I remember the polo "eviction" being discussed here some time back, and that is close to what I remember. This is now the third or fourth iteration of the "photos of private spaces" story I've heard. Interesting. Hardly anything with this chick ever seems to match up, not even the gossip.

R180 do you have a link to these photos/video?

The story went that they were deleted before her forced departure.

R181 the odd IG video was linked on an early Tendrils thread. It may come up if you search for Doria or Markus. Their body language and interaction with Dim was strange, too close and almost aggressive. Even stranger that it was all in public. So much for the focus being on the veterans, ever.

R180. I think its drugs ! I read somewhere and I think it was here on datalounge that he had a cocaïne habit of 15000 Euro a month . Why you think they’re merching so much . He looks like a bum not groomed at all . He’s a royal ! Is it to much to ask to look like one . These two are in the claws of Soho House mark my words .

I agree, R180. He's exhibiting textbook cocaine behavior.

If she took pics of private spaces, she is definitely recording every conversation with the royals. So how can they trust her? Also, if she has something on Harry, why didn't he pay her off? Marrying her made things worse since she now has more info on Harry to blackmail him with. I don't get it.

You're all pretty paranoid.

I think it's much more simple, she bombed him with luv and lust and he decided she was the One. If she blackmailed him he would not look so smitten.

Let's face it - she probably gives damned good head.

I agree with R187. She sucked him in. I do think they are both big drug users. She looks like she's in a stoned trance most of the time and he looks like personal grooming is a forgotten concept. The merching is somehow connected with this. Maybe they are in deep with a dealer. He wouldn't be the first royal to go off the rails. Pierre Casiraghi and his wife Tatiana Santo Domingo were big junkies for years, maybe still are.

She may not be toned, but she's pretty flexible according to her Instagram.

That matters too.

She looks high as a kite more often than him and he has always been a slob.

I'm not so sure about drugs but she swallows some pills, that's sure.

I love the tag on the VF cover, where activist from the hit series Suits Sparkles' HEAD is the whole page. haha

But do we think she’s still doing drugs while pregnant? Would she risk her meal ticket?

That DailyMail article about dysfunctional families was shocking to me. Wow. They ran that?

Supposedly they returned to London on Thursday; they're keeping a low profile for two such ravenous fame whores.

I guess shes preggers. I dont know. Some of these important women have surrogates do it instead; there is a system of padding for the various stages as well as hormones to plump out the face. A few xanax or whatever for those awful jitters wouldn't hurt a little baby though, would they? Any old way she will surelly assist Haz to keep his input steady for the pregnancy.

The DM article is ridiculous. Charles thinks he has been chosen by god to be king. What on earth would he have in common with MM? If he likes her at all, it would be because either he finds her attention flattering, or he feels some pity for her outsider status.

R193 Lol, yeah.

I don't think the BRF is the ideal family, they're pretty messy but to compare them to the Markles???? LOL, no.

I think it comes from Meghan's PR team. Meghan is so close to Charles and understands him so much cause they have the same family background.

Ah, this messy bitch.

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The Middletons have been invited many times, Sugar, get your facts straight.

I don't think R198 is a sugar.

R198 is definitely NOT a sugar.

The fine point being made is that the Middletons have never been invited to stay in the big house at Sandringham. They have stayed many times at Anmer Hall, William and Kate's home on the estate, and have attended Christmas Day church services with the Royal Family. So Doria is probably staying in the big house and attending all the family events. The Middletons are a family, have their own to be with, and their own traditions. Doria has no one so it's easier to fold her in.

Samantha and Burl Ives will presumably have direct lines to the Daily Mail from Dec. 22 to New Year's Day. Which raises another interesting prospect: how will Megain cope? Sandringham is quintessential English country house, not SoHo House, life: dress, shoot, dress, drink. What's she gonna do? Fergie can tell you have pleasant it is to breakfast with the Royal Family when the headlines don't look so good.

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Here’s the full DM headline:

“Queen 'invites Meghan's mother Doria to spend Christmas with Royal Family at Sandringham' - an offer never made to Kate's relatives”

How can anyone in RF NOT be on to her BS?

If I keep reading about Meghan and Harry and all the pathetic shit they're up to I'm going to lose my freaking mind. It's like eating too much delicious, unhealthy food. Having said that, I will now say that I cannot for the life of me stop. I'm addicted to this soap opera, which they honestly think the world believes is true, historic, once-in-a-lifetime love. It's fascinating how this fiery debacle is unfolding, and it just keeps getting more fucking disgusting by the day, and I cannot look away.

Meghan must have cried about mummy being all alone for X-Mas.

The Middleton are a close family with several children and certainly tons of people to visit during X-Mas. They don't need to spend X-Mas with the Queen, they have a family.

I think Doria is like Meghan she has ghosted her family long ago.

Wonder how or why the DM got that leak. Because she will be in major shit if it wasn't meant to get out. Frost.

I think it makes Doria look a bit pathetic to be honest.

When will Harry be caught banging some genuine British slag?

[quote]Samantha and Burl Ives

Haven't laughed this hard in a long time....

What about the longtime lesbian partner of Doria? Will she be left out?

You just know that that's exactly what's going to happen, R209.

Doria is a lez now? You learn something every day.

[quote]I think it makes Doria look a bit pathetic to be honest.

Clan Meagain plainly parted with any concern about how things look a long time ago.

Apologies, I had not realized that the Middletons had never been invited at Christmas, as I had seen photos of them at family events with the queen. I now understand that William and family typically spend Christmas at the home of the Middletons.

Wonder if this had been a plan, now leaked, or if it is another attempt to box them in, a la the press letter or VF article?

Why the gratuitous Kate bashing though, does the DM hate her?

DM hates everybody.

The only one they kind of respect is the Queen and maybe Sophie Wessex.

"I think it makes Doria look a bit pathetic to be honest."

Where WAS mummy Doria for the 7 years Megala was being raised by Papa?

R215 I think it's something like that, now the Queen will feel obliged to invite Doria because otherwise Doria will be all alone, her preggo daughter being far far away.

Now cry me a river.

Lol, Thomas Markle Sr won't be happy.

It's free provocation at this point.

I doubt the Middletons have a single regret. I know who I'd rather spend Christmas with - them. They are a close, jolly, rich family who all apparently get on well enough for the adult children to choose to go on holiday with their parents. I bet their house is warm, comfortable and beautifully decorated. People can relax in front of the fire in their dressing gowns drinking brandy. There are now four grandchildren including two new babies.

I imagine a Sandringham Christmas to be much as portrayed on The Windsors Christmas special.

Doria's been invited to spend Christmas at Sandringham!

Kate's parents have never stayed there.

I don't really get it, it's not like Doria can't be at HazzBean's home for Christmas then go to church with them.

I'm surprised HazzBean would want to spend several days at Sandringham for Christmas. It looks quite sinister.

Were Dim and Sparkles worried about NOT being invited again, as appeared to be the case this summer? Was a story leaked as a way to box in an invite for all three?

Doria's been invited to spend Christmas at Sandringham! Kate's parents have never stayed there.

Sounds like Kate's parents are very lucky that they never had to. Let's see -- Phil and Betty, Camilla and Chaz, Haz and Bean....that's gotta be loads of fun. I have read about the food and it sounds vomitous, so get the sterling silver cocaine spoons out everyone!

Surely someone in CA could run this fact down?

Per a comment on DM

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It smacks of Chuck aka Charles. It is wrong. They could not send for her father, but roll out the red carpet for her ex convict felon drug dealing mother?!? WOW.

I hope Doria will not feel too out of place. I don't think I could cope with them.

Since the RF never comment on such stories, there is no way to tell if it is true.

Given Sparkle's previous history of creative leaking, I take any such stories with a lot of salt.

These include the "Charles loves Sparkle", "Sparkle helped Eugenie plan her wedding", "Sparkle is best buds with Camilla", "The Queen loves Sparkle best", and any stories that lead with "Sparkle advises or helps or shares....anything with anyone..."

She pees on your pants and expects you to agree that it's raining.

Just one side note....

Given the story about Sparkle photographing "private spaces", who in their right mind would trust her to be invited for Christmas? Much less her mother!

And no visit to Balmoral this summer.

R225 No one could ever prove Doria was a criminal. I doubt she was a drug dealer.

On Trip Advisor, Sandringham House has 4.5 stars. I think Doria will enjoy herself there and get pampered by the staff. Lucky Doria!

Trip Advisor????? Are you kidding me?

Visiting one place is something, living in is an other.

Versailles is great to visit but I would not live there.

Doria definitely hasn't spent time in a CA prison.

Maybe she was in a federal lockup or in one of those top secret CIA safe houses?

It is possible it was under a different name, R231. She was mysteriously missing for several years, so the rumors, like the rumor of her longtime girlfriend, may have a basis. Both she and MeAgain seem to like to party at Soho, maybe she was caught up in something?

The best one yet is “Sparkle gives Kate fashion and maternity tips” R227

I can excuse the Brits posting here but the Americans posting should stop acting brand new. Doria lives in a far less desirable, less safe neighborhood than Thomas. In order for Meghan to get a better education and to attend safer schools she was sent to live with her father. I am sure that was very difficult decision for her mother but one made with her daughter's best interest in mind. Why does this bother people so?

I don't know if I believe the story about Doria being invited for Christmas at Sandringham. Why wasn't she invited last year when Nutmeg was engaged to Dimwit and met the family "she never had"?

R235, the fact the MM got an invitation was a big deal and broke established protocols. I doubt that the BRF was going to double down.

Nutmeg went to private school.

Doria lives is a somewhat posh neighborhood.

There have been hints that she was MIA for 7 years, so where do you think she was? If they both lived in CA, she would have had visitation sometimes.

Does anybody share my disdain for people who don't make a distinction between gossip and speculation?

I think Meagain is a disastrous pick... bad for the institution. But there's no factual or even fair basis to think Doria Ragland dealt drugs or went to prison. There's nothing to support the idea Meagain Markle was basically a prostitute on a yacht. It's ridiculous. I love the snarking, but the stuff that lands easily in the realm of the conspiracy theorists drives me nuts because that kind of bullshit isn't gossip or snark... it's just a reflection of a need that transcends taking the piss and means... well you're basically about as smart as a Trump voter.

Wondering why she was not part of the life of her young daughter for several years makes me a Trump voter? Mkay.

Where was she for 7 years?

It was gossip/rumor that she had a longtime female partner, that seems to have been born out.

Stop trying to be so controlling of other people, R238, no one made you hall monitor.

I call bullshit on selfless doria, who lives in a good neighborhood, voluntarily electing to disassociate herself from the wondrous and special Rachel. My gosh, she could be as shallow and conniving as her daughter --why does that possibility upset people so?

I'm not telling you not to, Trump voter, I'm just noting there's an intelligence indicator between people who snark and people who wear red tin hats when it comes to gossiping. There's nothing to speculation except making it up. I'm not trying to control you. Training a dog takes too much time.

They said she lived with her father on the week and saw her mother on weekend, that seems coherent.

As for the female partner, people put it out of their ass for no reason.

R240 There's a difference between being an asshole and dealing drugs, if you can't do it too bad for you.

So how do you fraus explain the queen's invitation to Doria? Is this another sign of the impending divorce? Or more flagrant merching?

Let me guess... it's more of Meghan's campaign to gain an upper hand in the press! She is such a devious, conniving asshole whose FAILURES besmirch the sterling reputation of the British Royal Family! May God have mercy on us all. Except for Meghan. May she rot in the HELL of her own making!

What R240 says. Why do y'all think I divorced her?

R241, this all seems awfully personal to you. What a sad little life you must lead to play at being Alec Baldwin behind the keyboard in your vehement defense of strangers you admit to having your own negative feelings about. By your lights, we are allowed to be negative but not TOO negative or too close to certain rumors/facts? Your attempts to shill only draw more attention to discussion you try to shut down. Fail. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahh. Namaste.

R245 You make us look like fools.

Sugars use post like yours to discredit all of us, so shut up.

I think this latest article is just Meghan trying to guilt them into extending an invitation for Christmas (especially since they were conspicuously absent from Balmoral). Also, it keeps her name in the news since she has nothing else going on.

Wow, blocking R246 is interesting.

Agree, R247, would be tricky to not include the 3 of them now. It is just what she did with the VF article. If it was not planned, they will not like it, but the optics would be awful. I saw somewhere that William and family are to be with the Middletons again this year, they will likely have a far nicer holiday.

It would be nice if they fought back, r248. They could "leak" that Meghan and Harry are spending Christmas with Doria in LA (and gosh, aren't they so thoughtful) to guilt her into staying away. Fight fire with fire. But it probably won't happen.

That would be amazing, R249, but agree, probably will not happen. She is emboldened with each win, no doubt. Still think she will not be one door away from the future king and his tots, but maybe they will roll over there too. The stories about how she should have worn a hat when with the queen, it was not a suggestion, are a bit of what you suggest, but kind of weak and too late. I think all the stories will be swept up into media condemnation in the future. In the meantime, I think Nutmeg was a source for the Charles VF story.

Do we think she will wear a slit to her vag to church on Christmas, or flash her bra? Teetering, clinging and stroking are givens, what about the finer points?

She only has wardrobe malfunctions in front of the cameras, a wannabe starlet plays to her press always. Who benefits from this so-called leak? The DM for stirring up shit, and Bean for trying to control a narrative. This did not come from the Queen (she doesn't operate this way) nor from Charles because why. So although I do not believe this is real, I would not be surprised if it does come to pass because it fits with Sparkle's M.O. to pad her image. Plus, it has worked for her in the past to force the BRF hand to her advantage so why change strategy?

Who little ole' ME, a shit disturber?

Do I look like a leaker to the tabloids?

Yep, it's official folks! Nutmeg has Dimwit eating out of her hand.

The come hither look trapped a Dimwit!

Hilarious Harry lets out a royal guffaw!

R255 what a slut.

Additionally to being a total asshole.

Imagine this woman has snagged a prince. How much have royal standards fallen is staggering.

Meghan as a young girl with her real nose.

Behind the scenes of "Suits". Is she trying to be sexy laying on the floor with her feet up?

The redhead was always the better actress on the show.

A photo of Harry and Meghan at Buckingham Palace. Look at that pretentious monogrammed frame.

I predict when she does her going to church on Christmas stroll/sashay, she will not be wearing a maternity coat which would be appropriate due to weather so as to call as much attention to her bump as possible. Opposite of what she did at the wedding for attention, wore a maternity coat that was not necessary to call attention to a non-existent bump.

Meghan full of herself.

Take out the dollar sign and you get just FIVE = Dimwit's IQ .

Evidence: this woman played him like a violin.

Christ, get a room.

R262 - For her Christmas sashay, Nutmeg will have on a big tummy pad (see photo), wear a silly outfit and hat, pat her tummy and pretend that she is the ONLY royal who matters. She's the first woman EVER to have a baby, didn't you know?

So you think there will be no flashing of cooch, tits or lingerie, R266? No see through dress or skirt?

I still think that there is a possibility she is his beard. Time will tell.

Nutmeg will soon be seen in London walking to her yoga class with a pair of overalls on because ....

She's a fashion icon says NO ONE EVER!

The story, along with the subheading that Kates parents have never been invited, is being widely picked up.

Quite nasty to the Middletons and to Kate herself. Hmmm, who might that serve?

I wouldn't put it past Nutmeg to plant this story to force the royal family to invite her mother.

However, the Middletons would probably have Christmas at their home OR the Cambridges would invite them to Anmer Hall which is on the Sandringham estate. If the Queen wanted the Cambridges for Christmas, she couldn't leave Kate's parents at the Hall so they would be invited to Sandringham too. Since Nutmeg and Dimwit don't have a home on the estate, the Queen would have to invite Doria to Sandringham.

We shall soon see if Doria shows up.

I hope someone reminds her to take the tags off her gifts.

Why does the BRF do nothing against Merchan's machinations?

How the BRF is getting played by this scheming famewhore is just beyond belief.

R272 - someone should fucking sit her down and read her the riot act.

"No merchandising, no leaking to the press, no wardrobe malfunctions, bloody wear British designers and show the flag etc...You're either with us or against us. You either toe the line and follow the rules or you're out on your ass. This is the way it's going to be from now on. Have you got that girl".

They never do that, though. That's the problem.

He should never have been allowed to marry her in the first place. The pendulum has swung from the rigidity that created the Charles and Diana tragedy to the anything goes of once divorced, actress, American Meagain Markup of Soho House.

R274 - a courtier or one of the GRAY SUITS could do the Queen and Prince Charles' dirty work for them.

The point is, they have to be instructed and the Royal Family's track record speaks for itself when it comes to acting before it's almost or too late. Look at what it took for the Queen to order divorce between the Wales.

Standards have fallen and they can't get up.

"How the BRF is getting played by this scheming famewhore is just beyond belief." —Anonymous

Yeah, I wouldn't take it so dramatically. Dragging mumsy as a prop to a stupendously boring non-event is not exactly getting anything over on the BRF.

Leave the tags on the gifts Megsy! Makes it easier to return them for cash money.

Those frames, while tacky, are standard, R261.

But while we’re making predictions, this pregnancy will not go the full nine months without a mysterious hospitalization. Remember, she’s playing herself in a royal fraumance movie and no Hallmark film would be complete without this scene. Around 2:30 on Christmas afternoon is the perfect time for it...

1. The Queen’s Christmas address airs at 3 and what better way to upstage her than urgently breaking news at 2:45 and the ensuing chorus of, “Dear lord in heaven, not the baby (or twins)! Not on Christmas! Noooo!”

2. When the Queen doesn’t mention it during the address (because it’s pre-recorded, but the Megtards won’t know that), the Internet will erupt.

3. All evening, when all eyes are glued to the special Christmas episodes, there will be breaking news alerts announcing that she’s still receiving treatment but there’s no news to report. So suspenseful!

All of that it too over the top, even for her, so maybe she’ll just throw America a bone and do it on Thanksgiving.

That's a very nice pic of William, Kate and George in R280's comment.

In the end, Kate turned out to be the right person for William.

Just like Merching Megh did for Harry - in a sad way, of course.

Saw this headline at the DM (can’t link properly):

“The secret regime that helped Kate lose her baby weight: How the Duchess of Cambridge regained that svelte silhouette with algae smoothies, mum-tum busting moves and tips from Meghan's wardrobe ”

Not even the secret regiment?

Yeah - as if Kate needed Merching Meg for wardrobe-related things.

R285 - it would be the other way around. Nutmeg needs some advice from Kate.

Seems MM has the DM eating from the palm of her hand, doesn’t it? They may be fanning the flames of a quiet feud, though. We all know a bitch like that.

So with George and Charlotte postpartum, those were a fluke then?

I have a theory that might explain the disappearance of Doria. We know that Burl Ives and Doria were married on the grounds of that weird church. Maybe Doria was a... devotee of that alternative “religion”. We all know that cults demand that their members cut themselves off from family members. What if Doria had been sort of off the grid and balls-deep in cult life? Thomas didn’t want his girl being around those weirdos, so he took her in.

It’s also possible that Doria had a criminal record and it was expunged. My sister shoplifted a $700 coat from a retail store and had to do community service, pay restitution and some kind of group therapy. After she had done all those things, she was able to get the record of her conviction removed from any sort of search. Maybe I’ll ask her.

Is the DM taking the piss with this nonsense?

In all seriousness, anybody with two working braincells realises Kate got her figure back due to a bit of genetical luck and lots of will power (indulging in exercise and the right diet) and not because she got any help of Merching Meg in terms of her wardrobe.

Not likely now that she is knocked up, R273. You remember she was supposed to wait until after the tour due to Zika, etc. Nope, she gets joy from proving rules do not apply to her. We have all met people like her.

That is some shade there, saying Kate achieved a false svelte appearance the result of wardrobe trickery. Because Kate is a fake?

Next thing you know they'll add that Nutmeg selflessly wore those clown pants to Wimbledon so as to subdue her irrepressible star power in order to build Kate's ego and enhance Kate's post natal figure.

I think Pa Markle will spill whatever the deal with Doria's absence is in the inevitable book he will write in the near future. He's saving that ace in the hole to boost his book sales. I think that is the info he is chomping at the bit to reveal in interviews but has to control himself to ensure his financial future. Maybe Sam has been promised a cut so she won't prematurely blab. It's their insurance policy. Or Meagain and Dimwit could counter with a price better than book deal and shut him up. Although, I've come to the conclusion nothing embarrasses or shames this kind of narcissist so she might do nothing and keep smiling and mugging for the cameras.

No matter where dear Doria was for seven years, it does beg a really good question -- WHY DID YOU ABANDON YOUR CHILD? No wonder she's so insecure and grabby for attention. And the guy who did all the work and looking after her is baaaaad of course.

Pre-Harklel CDAN had a blind about the document/internet scrubbing and payoffs that were going on in order to get this trick ready for Dimwit Harry, and I do believe there is some truth there.

Presumably if MM is behind the Doria-Christmas-at-Sandringham story in the Daily Fail, the reporter would call up the palace to confirm?

Also, the new bio of Charles that was just excerpted mentioned that H&M visited him and Camilla in Scotland during the summer, at the place he inherited from the QM. So, no sojourn with the Queen at Balmoral but quality time with the holder of the purse strings.

Thomas Markle is bad regardless of what Doria did or did not do. A parent that really loves a child would not trash them in the media. I have read that MM visited her mother on the weekends. However, I am no expert on MM or her mother nor do I aspire to be.

There's a pic of her absolutely high as fuck from the same Invictus, will try to find it.

Here it is.

My view of Thomas Markle is Meghan exploited the shit out of him and their relationship because his career as a lighting director was prestigious, show-biz, and enhanced her brand. She traded on it. He also paid for all of her schooling, and gave her money. Now he is no longer a lighting director, in reduced circumstances, and not a brand-enhancer, so she has cut him out because he doesn't suit the image she wants. That is obvious. He never trashed her. He trashed the royal family, .But as far as I've concerned, since she dumped her own father after using him and exploiting him, he can do and say what he wants. Meghan doesn't want to breathe without the media, so why should I judge her father's intermittent contact with the media? Through her surrogates and ass kisses, Meghan puts out tons of lies in the press - oh, Charles WORSHIPS her. And trashes other royals. So tough shit, Meghan, that sort of thing isn't a one way street. I feel more sorry for those she uses and abuses than I do for her with a father who has spoken to the meida.

Wow, that is wicked fucking high. I can only imagine how much she indulged/imbibed/inhaled/insufflated, etc. behind closed doors. If she really is knocked up, I hope she's put it all behind her at least for now. Though if she, god forbid, ends up with a kid that has...issues....she can blame it on Zika I guess. Thanks for that r298!

300 posts in and STILL no sign of my client HRH Flower, Queen of Your Heart. Flower, get your ass over here, we have bills to pay.

[quote]Presumably if MM is behind the Doria-Christmas-at-Sandringham - story in the Daily Fail, the reporter would call up the palace to confirm?

Except the best they ever get out of the Palace is decline to comment on private matters. I wouldn't put it past Meagain to be leaking directly to the Mail - at which point they aren't double sourcing anything - or has arranged and confirmed this person or that person or this plastic surgery victim as her official channel, so she can always deny she ever talked to the Mail (I bet she's read the media relations part of the Diana biographies.)

The Mail doesn't care about authenticity when it comes to royal reporting. It exists to sell newspapers. It has nothing to do with journalism.

What is R301 about, I just don't get the joke.

Damn, she's wasted in R298's photo. And no sense to try to tidy herself up before going out in public

That "bio" of Charles was a bio of Charles according to Meghan Markle as the writers clearly consulted her. Therefore, everything about her is lies, because she always lies. Notice that bio talks about how he is inspired by her, adores her, and loves having her in the spotlight. That is pure crap.

R301, the Queen of Hearts is busy patting (and padding) her bump.

R289 shoplifting a $700 coat doesn't get a 7 year prison term - unless it's your third strike with two previous violent felonies.

The legal system does not allow inmates to use aliases in prison. One of the reasons for the inmate locator service is so that victims can look up when the perp is being paroled/was paroled.

It's pretty vicious to make up some story about a person being in prison because she only saw her daughter on the weekends.

Another key issue: Doria is a LCSW, and worked at one of LA County's largest mental health clinic systems, DiDi Hirsch. having worked in an adjacent and very-licensed and regulated field - if you have committed a serious felony warranted a 7 year prison term, you will have big problems getting a license. We all get the FBI digital fingerprint scan prior to licensing (in social work, in nursing, in medicine). If you pop with a serious felony - most likely no license for you. Also, there is no way to hide felony crimes from the FBI.

There are a lot of holiday events activities in Norfolk during the holiday season - Doria will have a good time, no doubt.

You lot have to understand how the DM works: it doesn't eat out of anyone's hand. It swings back and forth between shade and sun, particularly where the royals are concerned; that's how it keeps its readership buzzing. Only the Queen appears to be exempt. The DM also hates Meghan Markle's guts, but that doesn't mean it won't take leaks from her; but it also doesn't mean it will suggest to her that her leaks could in the end finally get her hoist with her own petard. The DM doesn't make distinctions between better or worse people, only better and worst stories.

They have no qualms about making deals with people like MM, either. "You give us some juicy leaks, maybe we'll lay off the shade for awhile and pointing out the cost of your fucking wardrobe, and help you paint the other royals in a less than flattering light . . . you give us leaks, we'll give you sunshine."

And later on, they'll be happy to turn on her again.

The real question is, do Kate and William, and Charles and Camilla, who all employ experienced PR people of their own, know whether or not Meghan is leaking or not? And if they do, do they have a plan for dealing with it - or are they carefully staying out of it?

And if they're carefully staying out of it - why?

I think Harry's been in a not great place for awhile, for any number of possible reasons. The bad grooming is a signal of something.

As for Doria being invited for Christmas at Sandringham - Kate's parents don't need the royals at Christmas. Kate and William, like most couples, switch off between families between the holidays. They have a large elegant but homey estate in a beautiful area. They have four grandchildren now, a couple of high profile sons in law . . . they don't need invites to go to Sandringham and bring along five changes of clothes whilst carefully sticking to royal protocol about who gets served drinks first and what chair not to sit in.

If Doria was invited it would be no particular big deal - it's what the DM is making out of it that is.

I doubt the BRF gives two fucks about what is going on with Meghan Markle - it is what is going on with Harry that is at the root of all this.

R307 here

Assuming her parole officer allows her to leave the state.

Are you seriously believe that a child "exploited" a parent because the parent paid for their education and later helped her out financially when she was on hard times? Where I am from that is a role of parenting. I think your hatred may be way to personal.

Yeah, I didn't really follow the day to day of the Mr. Markel chronicles, and I just assumed that the Duchess of Yacht is/was letting it get to a fever pitch as a media strategy. As bringing dear Doria forward as a prop now is for the branding/media/horseshit.

R310 probably thinks it was outrageous that Nutmeg was expected to curtsy to the Queen of Tonga being pregnant with the second coming.

Here's Meagain charming Craig Ferguson on his old late night show. She mentions her embassy job and her dad being a "DP" on Married with Children, Craig explains to audience what DP means. She wasn't embarassed of him then.

I miss Craig and am bitter for him that Corden get's a band and Craig never got a band.

He's my son and I'd like to support his choice, but he's certainly a plonker with this dog's dinner isn't he?

Still, I like how it's winding folks up.

I know enough and have read enough to concur 100% with R308.

Except for this: I doubt the BRF gives two fucks about what is going on with Meghan Markle - it is what is going on with Harry that is at the root of all this.

The BRF gives no greater fuck about anything than the fuck it gives about the monarchy itself. That's not to say they act quickly.... they are the original tortoise. But when they bring the hammer down, watch the fuck out, as Wallis Simpson and Diana Spencer could tell you.

R315 - From your mouth to God's ears, as me sainted Mum used to say.

Quoting again from the film "Black Widow", in which the psychotic perp says, "The trick to any of this is knowing when to stop."

It's my guess Meghan doesn't know when to stop. That will be her undoing.

I suspect Meghan had no chance to treat her mom like shit because her mom wasn't around. So there's a clean slate on both their parts. Whereas with her father, it was use, exploit, discard. If Doria wasn't around, it's just as well for her, IMO. She lived her life, and now she's willing to show up for her daughter if her daughter needs her - AND if it's not too much trouble, IMO. I kind of suspect Samanta Markle is right and Doria didn't do much parenting, but it means the two of them have a clean slate and Doria can be detached.

My impression only is Doria is willing to show up for Meghan in very limited time segments. For all we know, Meghan may see that as a positive. She'll show up the night before the wedding, be trophy'd around, then go back to her life. She'll show up for the cookbook, then go back to her life. She always seems detached to me from the entire deal. And she and her daughter don't share much shorthand that would suggest they spend a lot of time together. The one thing I do find interesting is we've seen Doria dressed up royal three times - evening before the wedding, the wedding, and at the cookbook event. And each time she carried the clothes and looked much better than her daughter. Despite unconventional details like natural hair worn in twists and I think a nose ring (don't know if she had that in for the wedding). If Meghan fitted in as well as her mother she might be able to get away with more of her bullshit.

We should start at GoFundMe to cover her divorce lawyer and a one way ticket to LAX. Just to be supportive.

The Doria/Sandringham/the Middletons were never invited story was not a DM exclusive nor did they break it. It showed up in all the British press and media at the same time. DM sources the story to "it has been claimed." I wonder where it came from, whether or not true.

On another thread, it is claimed that the Middletons HAVE spent Christmas with the RF but stayed on the grounds, at Amer Hall. So the slam at them is a bit splitting hairs, if true. It is ugly. Wide release suggests a PR team. It has spread rapidly outside the UK too. I think it is clear where it came from, no?

R306, thank you for that information. I assume if there were a criminal past, we’d have heard about it. I floated the idea that Doria was heavily wrapped up in the religion/cult and was doing her own thing. She seems like one of those woo-woo ding-dongs.

We had some very WASP-y family friends and the golden child son married the daughter of some military VIP. They had a few kids and she got into some sort of New Age shit. She left the kids with the husband and took off to Sedona following some guru. It was a bit of a surprise and my mother practically spits nails if her name is brought up because she abandoned her kids when they were quite young. Men do that stuff all the time but it’s still quite scandalous when women do it.

Anyway, it could be that Doria did something similar. G

Yes, r320, I posted it in the BRF thread. The Middletons have been attended Christmas events at Sandringham, including going to church with HM and the royal family, but they stay with the kids, er, the Cambridges, at their country residence Amner Hall, not the main house. Amner Hall is on the Sandringham estate.

I thought I read that earlier in this thread.

I do not know how close Meghan and Doria are but apparently she paid for her other's grad school education. It appears to me that Doria likes her space so maybe it is not necessary for them to be attached at the hip. Maybe it is enough being supportive when needed.

She's a convenient prop when I need some good publicity from the intrusive Sussex media.

Maybe she's not high in that photo. Maybe her mask slipped and the demon shone through. Human/demon marriages never last. This marriage is fucked.

Could it be that she lived with her father during her junior high and high school years for closer proximity to her schools? Presumably, her mother lived in a neighborhood that wasn't as nice as the father's (women usually get the shorter end of the stick in a divorce) and not as close to the rather exclusive schools she attended (Little Red Schoolhouse and Immaculate Heart). Commuting with in L.A. is a bitch and their public transportation system isn't as extensive as other cities' public trans. Why spend an hour to an hour and a half a day commuting one way when there's an alternative for a shorter trip? Or maybe the adolescent and teen Meghan and mom had a bit of a rocky relationship as many daughters and mothers have in that phase of a child's development. It's rather unfair to say that Doria "abandoned" her daughter when she spent weekends at the mother's and it's also unfair to conjecture that she was a drug dealer, a felon or a cultist in the absence of any evidence. Really? It's so oddball to come up with these explanations when there's a much simpler one. Occam's Razor folks.

Well if this is true, this is interesting. I suppose they could be trying to attract "the youth".

R326, I have known a few times where the teen daughter of a divorced couple has gone to live with the father - myself included.

It was literally NEVER about the education/proximity to school. In all three cases, it was because the mother and daughter were not getting along and the mother said “YOU deal with her now.”

I had a friend who lived in a shitty school district and used his grandmother’s address to go to a vastly superior school district. He lived with his mother still, and they sucked up the inconvenience because that’s what you do when you love your kid. I know countless kids who face a sucky hour/plus commute in NYC because they got into an elite specialized high school they fought tooth and nail to get into. People who actually give a shit about education sacrifice their time and convenience gladly.

Occams Razor says Doria didn’t want to deal.

"...It is ugly. Wide release suggests a PR team. It has spread rapidly outside the UK too. I think it is clear where it came from, no? "

Well that's MUCH uglier than just the DM. A really mean spin that's meant to hurt and one-up, for what purpose? I don't know how the BRF tortoise can look upon that and just shrug.

[quote] However, I am no expert on MM or her mother nor do I aspire to be.

It is literally impossible for me to understand how someone could NOT want to be a MM expert.

R328, just because your mother did not want to deal with you does not mean Doria did not want to deal with Meghan. Projecting much?

I would do anything to be with my daughter during her pre-teen and teen years. Unfortunately for insecure, narcissistic Megsie, Doria didn't feel that way.

R323 You are rather omniscient in regards to how complete strangers feel and act...

As the previous poster said, you are projecting.

Proof's in the puddin'. Megs is messed up. She can't sustain relationships, easily throws people away and is embarrassed to have her family around. It doesn't take a crystal ball to come up with some conclusions around these FACTS.

Sugar Honey Honey You are my candy girl My sweet thing Oh sugar, pour a little sugar on it honey Pour a little sugar on it baby I'm gonna make your life so sweet, yeah yeah yeah!

Does anyone have some spare Frau-away for this thread? It's always bad, but It's really getting insufferable. Back to pointless bitchery please? More photos of our dear drugged out duchess?

No offense, though you will take offense anyway because people like you live to do that, but no one is really interested in the relationship you have or don't have with your crotch droppings.

Maybe the RF DOES think Nutmeg is just swell and the future of the monarchy. They are not the brightest bunch. The Queen also seems to adore and indulge Harry much like Andrew. Plus, she is likely to heap honors on those who act out, it really is pretty thankless for the workhorses. So off to watch pop singers they go!

I think they may be just shrugging their collective shoulders and saying fine, he married her let’s just wait it out until the divorce.

I can't help wondering how Princess Anne would react to knowing that Sparkle and her mom might become a permanent fixture at Ye Olde Family Christmas Celebration.

Since I suspect The Princess Royal might have quite a bit of influence with her parents, I would love to be a fly on the wall to hear her unvarnished comments about Sparkle's most recent PR offensive aimed toward invading the RF's most private family moments.

I know what the RF should do.

The RF should use their own PR offensive with a stream of stories about Sparkle and Harry spending the holidays by burying the hatchet with Pa Markle and sharing space with him in his cozy Mexican hideaway. With Doria, too, of course, all there to celebrate the Susssex offspring to come.

I thought that too r338 but it would be more fun if they also said the HazBeans were spending Thanksgiving with Sam, maybe MerchAgain would be helping her with fashion tips and how to cure MS with a roast chicken.

Oh, no. Not Sam. The woman is simply too toxic. She's alienated other family members including her own daughter. But the idea of a stay at a safe Mexican resort to bury the hatchet with Thomas Markle is not a bad idea. I suspect what keeps the RF from approving this is the fear that he will blab either to the press or Sam who will then blab to the press.

[quote] I suspect what keeps the RF from approving this is the fear that he will blab either to the press

Why would the RF care if he blabs.

Sparkle already blabs and would blab all over about Christmas at Sandringham with Ma.

If sending Sparkle and Harry off to see Pa keeps them out of Sandringham at Christmas, it's a win for the Royal Family.

The RF should begin to plant the seeds for this ASAP to thwart Sparkle's offensive to ingratiate her mother.

A visit to Pa is the last thing Sparkle would want.

But since Sparkle lives by the PR tales, it's only fair that she begins to get caught in such a tale herself. Turn about is fair play and she has been using PR to serve her own ends for a long time.

It's time the RF counter this most recent Sparkle offensive with stories of their own.

Nothing in this woman’s life adds up. People are getting nasty with the speculation about her past, and it’s stupid. Things don’t add up because there’s lots of dirty laundry being hidden.

All that matters is the present and future, and she’s going to fuck that up, too. She’s greedy and emboldened and that’ll provide enough material.

I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank the SSAA interns, especially intern #3. Your eternal vigilance and unwavering devotion is inspiring. Because in the end, SSAA is still the mantra.

That Craig Ferguson clip, she was ON. Like her life depended on it.

He clearly had no idea who she was, had never seen the show. She managed to cram in her life story: uni majors, embassy work, speaks Spanish, Dad in the biz, all at a breakneck pace. Weirdly uninteresting though and exhausting.

There's a fawning special on their tour scheduled for UK TV tonight. Advance publicity already talking about how her skills as an actress 'have brought Harry on' as a public speaker. Hope someone else has the stomach to watch it and report back.

Who's producing it, R346? Couldn't possibly be the BBC - maybe a used car dealership on Cromwell Road?

Here's some info r347. Harry touches koala and other observations. Needless to say it's on ITV.

R334 Many thanks for your kind words! I am grateful for all of our SSAA interns and certainly our original SSAA with the tm mark who started it all. There is always room for more. It is heartening to see how most of the posters here whack shit back on track when it starts to become a FrauenFest.

Oh hell,! I meant R344! Thank you so much! What a big fuck up, and I am sorry, as you are the total opposite of R334 This is what happens when I post on not enough sleep.

I see Doria doesn't believe in bra too.

Keep it classy granny.

Someone else will have to report on that "special" on their tour (a transparent plank in what is clearly a determined PR campaign to sell the grifter to the UK taxpayers helping to fund her luxury lifestyle and social status) - I can't take the risk of apoplexy at my advanced age.

Harry is sixth in line to the throne. Must of the UK public doesn't give a tinker's curse about him, his wife, or their tour Down Under (or the Commonwealth, per se, come to it), and their wedding got the lowest ratings in the UK of any royal wedding broadcast since those broadcasts began with Princess Margaret's in 1960. Even the Wessex wedding got higher ratings in the UK. And for all the resistance of the BBC, Yuge's wedding got surprisingly respectable ratings, somewhere close to 50% of the Sussex wedding, and considering how little of a fuck the UK public gives about the Yorks, that was fairly surprising.

So, why a "special" on a tour by the sixth in line to the throne in which his wife spent 130,000 quid on clothes? I don't remember a "special" on Charles's and Diana's tours - including ones that featured state dinners at the White House and dances with John Travolta and Clint Eastwood.

Either they think they can use Sparkle to raise flagging interest in the monarchy, or they're trying to sell a Duchess who is turning out to be less popular than they expected, or both. Or, this is more of Sparkle's PR machine at work. If the latter, one can only wonder at the BRF tolerating it.

The more I think of it is that both are gay and on drugs too . If you see the guests at their wedding you see a whole lot of gáy people - people rumored to be gay and actual gay people in attendance . Most people do not know that Pryanka chopra is gay , that Ophrah is also gay , that Sophie Turner is also gay ,that Serena Williams is also gay and married to a gay man , Elton John and his husband , Louis,Spencer also gay , Patrick Adams also gay and God knows who else .So its all an arrangement for these two ! She can merch her head off and he too . The ones that are fooled are the taxpayers !

Interesting. That would explain why their interactions look so fake. Although, she seems like such a void that she doesn't have any preferences - anybody who can do something for her will do.

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And that her real love Jessica Mulrony got a Jaguar of 80000 quid ! You find that normal ?

Nutmeg will show up at her next royal engagement wearing a studded leather jacket and really short skirt. She's FASHION ICON, you know. LOL.

The clothes are too tight.

The Royal Family philosophy: less is more.

The Duchess of Rings philosophy: The more the better.

Dangling tendril and spacey look.

There are never enough tendrils to dangle.

Click for a reminder of the couple's checkered past.

Exactly. That's the point. She's a mess.

Who will their child look like?

Oh dear, look at her fingernails in R359's pic. They look horrible. You would think she'd get herself some good manicure given she's got total and easy access to those things.

I can't help the impression these nails are fake ones.

That exactly what I was going to say r365. That’s one coat of cheap polish, no manicurist would do that.

Me thinks that the baby will be white . You seriously don’t think there ‘s gonna be a chance that the baby will be black or biracial . They used Ivf and nutmeg has nothing to do with it not even carriyng that baby . Why you think she was cradling that so-called baby bump . To convince everyone she is pregnant ! They’re fooling the people .A week for Eugenies wedding you saw nothing ! She whore a leather pencil skirt and now suddenly she is pregnant .

Get ahold of yourself, R367. She wants to mix her DNA with that of her idol, Princess Diana. She's not Michael Jackson; she wants a true mini-me to flash across social media (after the divorce). The baby will look like a tan caucasian with dark curly hair. Remember what Meghan's genes are up against: red hair and pale, ruddy skin. With Meghan involved, Harry might actually produce kids who have a chance to tan instead of sunburn.

I think HMQ will be glad to be dead before she sees a great grandchild doing a pap stroll with divorced mommy, both flashing underwear and grinning straight at the camera.

I'm told we had Harry fixed along with some of Mum's corgis. Wouldn't that be a wicked surprise?

Pa Markle probably paid for Bean's nose job too.

The odd thing is: With her former, real respectively nose, she looks much nicer and sort of likeable (less fake, that is).

I think she’s very pretty. And Doria is in great shape, too.

Now I’ve exhausted my nice things to say.

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They could wind up with a cute baby. There’s a 25% chance.

Wow. That was a major slagging from Piers. He’s a total jerk but that was still really harmful. They’re coming for her. Because she makes it so easy.

Yes, that polish is streaky and poorly done! Also, she has the same "baby bump" in the photo at R357.

I’d be on her side so much more, because I love an underdog and have a soft spot for rebels, but she’s such a smug asshole. And she’s not breaking any repressive rules; she’s just being disrespectful.

R376 - Don't hold your breath on that "They're coming for her." As I pointed out a couple of times on these threads, this is the way the British tabloids (both print and television) operate. One day it's gushing sunshine, the next malicious shade. One day it's Cruella de Ville, the next day, Mother Theresa. It's how they keep the pot simmering.

That said, two things interest me about the Morgan piece (acknowledging up front what nasty bellend he is). One is the timing, coming right on the heels of the "Charles and Meghan have SUCH a Bond!" and "Doria's Coming to the Big House and the Middletons Aren't!" stories, and the other is that Morgan's piece demonstrates that attacking MeAgain isn't off the table any longer just because she's half-black and pregnant.

I wonder - could it be that we are witnessing the War of the Cambridge and Sussex PR machines? No - not possible. Right? Right?

And if that is the case, does it not beg the questions of how divisive the DoS has already made herself - and could the BRF really be that obtuse about the potential damage of letting someone like her through the gates?

I'm also wondering if the BRF realised, and at all responeded to, the fact that that tour ended up being completely about Meghan Markle and her fucking little bump - something she ensured by constantly calling attention to it. The IGs, as someone upthread pointed out, got next to no light shone on them, it was all about Meghan, Pregnant Meghan, Look I'm Pregnant Meghan, and What Is Look I'm Pregnant Meghan Wearing today?

As some of might have predicted the tour wasn't about the Commonwealth and it wasn't about the Invictus Games - it wasn't even about Prince Henry Charles Albert David, Duke of Sussex, Sixth in Line to the British Throne, Son of the Next King of England, Brother of the One After That.

It was only and completely about Meghan Markle. And her bump - which is still to say, about Meghan Markle.

Has the penny dropped yet at Clarence and Buck House?

If so, do they plan to do anything about it?

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Join Us, r381!

I hate when the face is spray tanned and over bronzed and you see the normal hands next to it. Either go all the way or don’t do it at all!

I just did, r382, and I now see that I was a mere six days late with the smoking gargoyle photo. Oops.

There’s just so much to take in — the cigarette, the nails, the baby gorilla wrapped around her neck, the color difference between face and hands.

She wouldn’t be out of place in a “WHET” thread about the [italic]My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding[/italic] brides. Plus, she looks like she reeks.

R381 Only someone as naturally beautiful, classy, and sophisticated as Jess could give us our dear Princess Megs.

R381 - Holy Jesus - is that photo really up on the DM today?!

It was on DM last week, r386. Read this thread.

Meant "read this thread" r386.

R387 And this is the first it's showing up here?!

Well, I mean, ffs, this explains the hasty articles about the "bond" Meghan and Charles share, and the poor old Middletons not staying at the Big House for Xmas like Doria, mother of that paragon of womanhood in those photos. I wouldn't let my grandkids near that woman.

Well, OK, I missed it - but I also must have missed the fallout - didn't those photos set Tumblr ablaze or something?!

Those photos should have caused a major constitutional crisis. That they didn't, tells us it's just hopeless and there is No Justice and No God.

[quote]I wonder - could it be that we are witnessing the War of the Cambridge and Sussex PR machines?

I doubt it. I can't see the Cambridges feeling the need to wage war. William's temper is well known... if he's got something to say to either one of those dolts he won't need a newspaper to do it.

Is a Jessica Mulroney also mixed race? She looks just like my old roommate from Guyana.

Was your roommate an Oompa Loompa too?

R392, she was rather chubby when we were roommates but she’s slim now, oddly enough, in middle age. I did a double take. Even held a cigarette the same way.

Jessica Mulroney:

"Mulroney is the daughter of Veronica (Coleman) and Stephen Brownstein. She is a descendant of the founders of Browns Shoes, a niece of Bill Brownstein, writer for the Montreal Gazette, and sister of Harvard Professor John Brownstein."

She may be Jewish r361.

This belongs here and I'll repost it in the next "Tendrils" too. Bean loves her daddy in 2014.

Her words are exactly what Samantha Markle has been saying.

Her 2016 Dad's day post had bean and buckaroo, but this from 2014 is basically a long recitation of how much her father did for her, and the sacrifices he made to do them. Where is Doria in all this?

Meant r391 not r361.

Despite some people arguing here that Harry and Meghan are separating from KP in order to set up their own "court" - a court which will be independently financed, I think the anons are correct and their budget is being reduced and they will be absorbed into the "all the rest" PR and offices under Prince Charles.

I also do not think they will be set up with their own home. Officially, they are "renting a home in the Cotswolds." Translated, 10-1 that means they bunk in at Soho Farmhouse. I believe, as with so much when it comes to these two, it will be another "Let's not and say we did" situation where there will be constant reports about the magnificence of the home the Queen plans to purchase or bestow, the gazillion dollar trust fund she will set up because Baby Bean is her favorite great grandchild and she wants Meghan to want for nothing, and we'll hear that the Queen unearthed some incomparable gemstones with which to shower Meghan for birthing this special sprout. None of it will be true.

Can someone please post a picture of Meghan's veil, likewise come up with a list of "flowers of the commonwealth" and point out where it all matches up? Plus the NottCot fronds and whatever else has been claimed.

Red hair always likes to come out. Bet this kid is a red head.

By "independently financed" I meant have a "Sussex Court" budget and own staff, just as William and Kate will have the KP budget and staff once the separation is complete. But I don't think so. Harry and Megs are not getting their own court. Harry has never been able to manage himself - Will and Kate carried him for years. Now he'll just do what Meg wants. I really don't think the BRF are going to basically fund the Meghan court, as that is what it will be. Money? A budget? No way.

The Lavender marriage theory makes sense. There is something at the root of Harry's continual dysfunction and I don't think it's anything too exotic or tortured. I think he's closeted - sort of. And Markle fucks men to get ahead and get her way, but like Angelina Jolie she prefers women.

I love how over on some of the critical Meghan Markle sites the theory is she's some kind of sexual sorcerous. I think that flatters her too much and always betrays the naivete of those who have that theory. They probably only have straight up missionary sex and cuddling, and think a woman willing to perform a blow job outside of the bedroom has a wicked appeal that has bewitched poor Harry. And the theory also plays into "exotic" stereotypes. My own theory is Meghan is a big slob, is, of course, sexual, but not unforgettably so, and it's just a perfect storm that someone as basic as she got Harry. As ever, that says far more about Harry than it does about her.

Definitely lavender marriage. All Harry's previous girlfriends and her one to two previous marriages... talk about hiding in plain sight... good call, R400!

Why would they stay at SoHo House? Even if Harry's cottage is small, it's on the grounds of Kensington Palace. Aren't there community activities like a gym and pool that they'd have access to? (I remember reading about Diana swimming in a pool at one of the Palaces.) Couldn't they get a room (like a hotel room) at Buckingham Palace? Then they'd have access to chefs, wouldn't they? Would these be any lesser than a room at SoHo House? If someone is a member of SoHo Clubs, don't they still have to pay a nightly fee to rent a room or suite?

Nah, R354, she has preferences all right.

Jess and her husband were more gay attendees and also have a lavender marriage.

My God R331 will you please learn a new way to express yourself besides parroting other posters from other forums? Idiot much?

There is no evidence Doria was around when Meghan was growing up in those tween and teen years. Meghan certainly never discussed all the wonderful things her mum did growing up, and she would be able to sell it - small businesswoman, yoga instructor, social worker.

R402, Meghan has "relationship" with Soho house so of course she'd be comped.

She and he are at the Farmhouse because she's not welcome in royal private dwellings as she can't be trusted. She already trashes the shit out of Kate through pure lying. She's already invented a close relationship with Charles even though he speeded up to get away of her and Harry at the Eugenie wedding. That would be why the Smeggles have separate accomodations.

R405, were they evicted from Harry's cottage at Kensington Palace? Even if it is small, it has to be more prestigious than some fancy hotel.

That makes me sad, R395. She was not unaware, she wrote it all out to humble brag how special she is. Or something. I have known people who would not have noticed the sacrifices, or who would have taken them for granted, but she is in a category of her own.

She and Harry are both loaded in so many photos, hope she is not actually pregnant.

After reading R395’s link, I think Meghan is an ungrateful bitch. I grew up in a similar family situation (mom left when I was 13 and dad raised me as a single parent) and I can’t imagine trashing and ignoring my dad the way she has. Miss Sparkles is a real piece of work.

R407 - Cart before horse: she is pregnant or she is in trouble, so it's hoping she was not actually loaded.

One thing Harry has never been ambivalent about is wanting kids. She's 37. A woman like her would know there's always a chance the marriage won't last and without progeny she won't get out with much; with progeny, there will be more chance the BRF will deal gently with her.

And God forbid the kid should have defects traceable to substance abuse . . . even Kaiser and the CB fraus would jump ship.

I can't believe Meghan would be that stupid - this kid is her insurance policy.

R406 I doubt they were ever IN Harry's cottage, and, again, if Meghan felt Soho House was not prestigious she would not have a relationship with them lasting years. It's not about prestige, it's about what she gets from them and vice versa.

i would rather hang with the middletons at christmas than be stuck at sandringham. best deal would be to have appetizers with QE2, take some pics, and then have the main course and afterparty somewhere more relaxed. not just because she's the queen, but i cannot imagine at their age they are any fun. too much drama as well. im sure former flight attendant carole middleton knows how to get down.

The Queen and Philip probably nap all day so there's not a lot to do from socializing with the elders aspect. r411. The rest of them go shoot animals for fun then eat and drink again.

After reading the most recent posts, I am beginning to wonder what Harry & Sparkle's living situation really is.

For other young marrieds in the Royal Family, didn't the Queen "gift" them with a country home right away? (As I understand it, they do not actually own it where they could sell the property if they wanted.) In fact, before the wedding, I seem to remember talk of them being given a country house on one of the estates. Sorry, I can't remember which, except that it was a favorite of one of the kings who grew up there, but everyone else hated the place and there was talk of it being haunted. But, whatever, that never materialized and suddenly they were living somewhere in the Cotswolds.in a farm house. So, who would pay for that? We are supposed to think that the RF are forking over money to rent a special place for them when the Queen already has several places she could have "gifted" them. That does not pass the smell test.

As for the big apartment in Kensington Palace right next door to William and Kate and currently occupied by the Gloucesters - there has been plenty of talk, but nothing really has happened.

Given this new story which actually seems to be verified that their "court" is being joined with other royals while Kensington Palace staff and PR will now be dedicated to the Cambridges...that would seem to indicate a definite downward movement of their status which would not seem to justify their moving into that big apartment.

The wave of PR stories, coming supposedly from Sparkle & Company, certainly muddies the waters.

But from what I read, the Royal Family's actions speak louder than any words (or, presumably PR).

Whatever they think about HazBean, reality is she's spawning and they will require larger digs in London. Whether at KP, Buck Palace, St. James or elsewhere. They are working royals and will need to live in the city.

It will be very interesting to see where they end up.

R121 - why would she know his prospects? They had a long distance relationship - by some accounts it wasn't much of a relationship until circumstances rushed the engagement. Harry wanted to be married. Do you think he sits down and gives her Royal Finance 101? Harry has exclusively dated wealthy girls for whom his finances wouldn't be of pressing interest. The lifestyle would be the thing. With her affiliations with Mulroney (adjacent to two prime ministers - Mulroney and Trudeau) and her TV job, a dimwit like Harry would "read" her circumstances as similar to his previous girlfriends, only difference being Meghan appeared self-made, and you better believe Meghan did all she could to encourage that impression until it was too late to turn back. Why would SHE know? Even posters on this thread, as well as many blogs and media, assume Meghan's access to money these days is "unlimited", assume she has hot and cold housekeeping and personal attendants as well as admin, and these are people, particularly in the media, who should know better. You think Meghan thought she needed to vet a royal's finances - the grandson of a queen? I'm sure she didn't know how the financials were structured.

It will be just like now - it will be "said" they are somewhere, when in reality they have some grace and favor situation with Soho.

Sparkle and the media pumped out York House, Adelaide House, nope, the queen is purchasing something for them and we think it's this house ... nope nope nope. Now they're "renting a house in the Cotswolds". Uh hun.

I don't think the queen has given homes to all of her grandchildren. Why would she give Harry what she didn't give Zara, Peter, or Eugenie? She hasn't and it is unlikely she'll purchase something for Eugenie and Jack. Zara and her family and Peter and his family live at Princess Anne's estate, Gatcombe. (Gatcombe was purchased for Anne by the Queen). Once again, Harry is not William, no matter how desperately Meghan and Meghan's fans want to believe a prince is a prince, a son of Charles is a son of Charles, etc. and everybody should be equal. William has Amner Hall - where I think he and Kate have been spending much more time than is generally believed during her maternity leave. That is an appropriate residence for a senior royal (Harry is not a senior royal) who will be taking over Charles' duties and one day inherit the throne. But who else has gotten what William has gotten?

The queen and her own kids - Charles didn't need help - he had the Duchy. The queen purchased Gatcombe for Anne, where Anne still lives. And her grown, married kids and grandkids live. The queen purchased Sunninghill Farm as a wedding gift for Fergie and Andrew. That thing is now decrepit or a ruin or something, and Andrew lives on royal property, where Fergie also bunks when she's in the country. Edward and Sophie got Bagshot Park and only live in a portion of it - can't afford to heat the rest of it (but they're royal!! Shouldn't they have unlimited funds and servants??)

Apart from William, she hasn't gifted or purchased or provided homes for her three other married grandkids. I certainly hope she doesn't for Harry - enough is enough. Why do assholes receive and receive and receive? He's NOT William, he should stop fucking sniveling about it and learn his place.

At the end of the day, Harry and Meghan are Charles' lookout. If they get a residence, it will likely come from him. So let's see.

I think most people think that the entire Royal Family is filthy rich - like there is a big pot of gold that any of them can take from whenever they want for however much they want.

I used to have a vague notion like this and it wasn't until Fergie split from Andrew and I read that when there was a meeting about finances and Fergie's thoughts were that she get a percentage of Andrew's money when she was told "Prince Andrew doesn't have any money". I've learned a lot about how much these people actually have. And, Harry has a LOT less money that I would have thought.

Don't forget, Sparkle is not as smart as she would like people to believe.

So, no, I have no problem believing that she thought he was wealthier than he actually is.

Isn't it likely that when Wills and Kate move into Clarence House, Hazbean would get their apartment at KP? Unless of course Charles decided to stay there.

Where does Eugenie live, now that she is married?

From what I read, there is a good chance that Charles will not move into Buckingham Palace. They all hate the place. It would come as no surprise if Charles decides to stay at Clarence House when he becomes Queen. William and Kate would then just stay in their KP apartment.

I was just reading where Eugenie and Jack were looking at London townhouses which seems to indicate they will not be remaining at Ivy Cottage at Kensington Palace.

Does anyone find it somewhat odd that very few people in the BRF married people with money? One would think that would be a priority in a family where the non-heir family members are dependant upon their parents their entire lives, and then upon their sibling for home and income. William is the royal who least needed a spouse with money, but Kate's family has money, and I think that has been of tremendous benefit to them, as it's not all down to him. The Middletons can also provide - vacations, family home, enough $$ to pay their way and keep up with the royals while remaining independent.

Queen E's father married Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon - an aristocrat, presumably with a trust fund that would keep her if she didn't marry well, but I don't know how much more than that she brought into the marriage. Queen Elizabeth married Phillip - a virtually homeless, stateless royal whom I assume had money but not "money". Charles married Diana - don't know if, as the youngest daughter, she had a trust fund or just an "allowance" until she married, but she didn't bring big bucks into the union. I don't think Anne's husbands had much. Fergie,despite having been Lady Sarah Ferguson, doesn't appear to have had any money. Sophie had no money.

Is this a thing or what? Harry did the worst of the lot. No money, and a grifter and poseur. Autumn Phillips doesn't have money.

One would think a sports star like Mike Tindell could set up housekeeping independently with his wife, but there they all are at Gatcombe. David Viscount Lynley married some money, I understand, so he lives away from the royal teat in France.

Over in Sweden two out of the three children of the king married very common commoners - ordinary people of ordinary means. The youngest daughter married wealth.

Did Letizia have any money? Did Mary of Denmark?

Is it that the wealthy and eligible women and men of a given country have no incentive to marry into the royal family? Nothing to gain?

Right, R420, and so the queen is not purchasing something for Eugenie and Jack. Why then, do people think she'll purchase something or give something to Meghan and Harry? People persist in thinking he's senior, or special, or something. He's not.

Oops.

[quote]Charles decides to stay at Clarence House when he becomes Queen

That should be "King".

When Charles is King, he'd likely arrange a mansion for Harry, just like the Queen did for her own kids.

It's Mike Tindall, and Rugby doesn't pay much compared to other sports.

Lavender wedding?

This board is jumping the shark.

I had never heard of Meghan or the show Suits before she hooked up with Harry and lucky for her not many other people have, that was quite a sexy half naked scene posted above.

Harry is the son of the next king and brother to the one after that.

He'll be given one of the larger Kensington Palace apartments and eventually a country place, either at Windsor or Sandringham, one of the properties at the Crown's disposal.

He's in the ruling line so he's going to get these things, like it or not. He's not at the same level as Will and Kate but he's also a step above the York girls, and the other current grandkids. Your closeness to the throne dictates what track you're on.

Until George, Charlotte and Louis marry and start having kids, Harry is in a comfortable track...for a least 25 years, before switching to a lesser track of less influence and power.

Harry is all the things R428 described. He is also self-destructing right before our very eyes. The only ruling line he cares about right now is the line of cocaine in front of him.

What r428 said.

Before anyone starts no I'm not a Meghan fan but I'm curious about one thing.People on here claim that Kate has a higher education degree than Meg.I know that the UK universities are much better but didn't they both study 4 years?Does Kate hold a Masters degree?

"I had thought her a mere social climber. I see now she's a mountaineer."

From Vanity Fair by Thackeray.

In your opinion, what rushed the engagement, R415?

By anybody's standard, Harry's got a lot of money - probably a net worth of around fifteen to twenty million pounds (mother and great grandmother) and saves on the one big expense for all mortals: he will never have conventional housing purchase costs.

MEg MERCHle

R425 I agree, I don’t think he is vastly wealthy but he’s not on his uppers either. His father played rugby before becoming a banker, he was privately educated. In Britain it was the case that rugby players tended to have professions to fall back on, they played for their university then continued until retirement from the game when they’d take up their real career or medicine or law or banking etc. I don’t think it’s like that now but there’s still a preponderance of ‘comfortably off’ people in rugby.

R428 is correct: Harry isn't Zara Phillips. In the strange way that these things seem to go, the more Harry self-destructs, the more Charles will try to give him in order to placate him. "Tough love" isn't the way of the BRF. By all odds, HazBean will get larger digs when their baby comes, and eventually a country place. Charles likely still feels really guilty about his disastrous marriage, public adultery, and Diana's death and the impact it seems to have had on his sons, particularly Harry. It's also true the royals aren't particularly partial to Buck House, and unless absolutely necessary, Charles will probably hold onto the far more beautiful and elegant Clarence House, which was also his beloved gran's home. This will leave W&K in Kensington Palace for the foreseeable, unless there are some separate historic residences available that we have forgotten.

For the poster upthread who mentioned the Queen Mum's family: they were rich, by the standards of the day. One contemporary who had stayed with them said drily, "The Strathmores were so grand they forgot they were grand at all." Her father was the Earl of Strathmore and they were part of the wealthy landed aristocracy, with a town home in London, a country estate in England, and Glamis Castle (yes, THAT Glamis Castle) in Scotland. The BRF didn't need her money, but she was hardly penniless and she didn't need Prince Albert's wealth any more than he needed hers. Diana's social and economic status was very much equivalent to the erstwhile Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, with the addition of long-standing proximity and ties to the royal family. Of course, by the time Diana married in, the BRF was much wealthier than it had been when Prince Albert married Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon.

Margaret's son married a very wealthy girl, Serena Stanhope.

I think Harry is a man with many emotional problems compounded by enabled immaturity. William was lucky in his choice of wife, Harry was a fool. The BRF are not the kinds of people who even have the psychological vocabulary to name Harry's problem, and they're not known for their powers of introspection. Money and privilege have shielded them from their own demons in most cases.

Whether this will hold true for Harry and Meghan remains to be seen. I wouldn't be surprised if Harry had a breakdown at some point; he lacks William's hardness and sense of himself, and he lacks William's well-chosen wife.

But the Sussexes will almost certainly get larger digs and a country home from either the Queen or Charles.

R431 Kate went to St Andrews an ancient university which gives students an MA where everywhere else it would be a BA. I don't think she has a MLitt (Masters). We know that Kate graduated but do we know the same of Markle?

What I find disgusting is,that people have to curtsy to nutmeg when PH is around . A social climber and grifter and skank !

???? Elevated status is one of the reasons she steamrolled him. Disgusting to me is enabling if not encouraging a mentally ill guy with mind shattering drugs. This isn't

Whoopsie....just wanted to add that narcissists are EVIL. Put nothing past her.

OK, yes, Sparkle did graduate from Northwestern.

Her name "Rachel Meghan Markle" is listed in the Commencement Program. You can find it online (I did) if you are all that interested. Her name appears listed among all the other graduates who got a Communications degree.

Kate's degree was in Art History. I don't think there is much doubt Sparkle graduated, although it's odd there are no grad photos, and I don't think that's much of an issue, anyway. Diana was poorly educated (nearly what we call in the UK a "school leaver" and in the US a "dropout", she barely got through.

The real issue is that Diana and Sparkle share one glaring characteristic: NPD.

Which just supports my conviction that you can run but you can't hide from the family skeletons, and at least one child repeating family history is the norm, not the exception.

R443 - There was a photo on one of the other Meghan threads showing her with her mother at her university graduation.

^Ah, thanks. I didn't exactly comb the web for it but as I never saw a photo when all the hoop-la broke out, wondered; but I assumed she graduated as lying about that would have been just too easy to uncover.

R443

Nutmeg had nice hair at one time.

Bear in mind too that the Queen Mother was close to the last in a long, long line of children, so if she got any inheritance it would have been minimal. And estate taxes were punishing for much of the 20th century. That did a lot of damage to many family fortunes.

If I were ever in the situation I would bow to any member of the Royal Family except Meagain.

R447 - Her oldest brother would have inherited everything, anyway. The daughters were expected to marry well (they did), but by all accounts, the Strathmores lived a golden life and were never short of money. I don't know about the London town home in Bruton Street, but I believe the English country place, St. Paul's Walden Bury, and Glamis, remain in the family. She was the 8th of nine children and had a younger brother who predeceased her. So, no, she wouldn't have expected in that era an inheritance, but her social status and attractiveness pretty much guaranteed a secure future in a "good" marriage. She had, by the age of twenty, allegedly received no less than five proposals from young men of her own class and background. As it happened, she ended up making rather more than a "good" match.

Yes, R449, that was a very long winded way of saying what I said. Thanks so much.

That is a wig. She uses every device to hide her natural hair.

R451 - Her natural hair is Sparkle's, er, bete noir, because it's the one feature she has that screams "African" in a way that won't be denied. And as she leans so emphatically white (husbands, partners, besties), going "natural" is the most unnatural thing she could possibly do. Her natural contradicts the entire reinvention of herself that she has spend the last 20 years crafting.

It's weird... she does appear to be doing a reverse Rachel Dolezal, but she gave every appearance of loving her mother at the wedding and she did bring her over for the Grenfell Cooked Book.

R453 - The two attitudes are not necessarily mutually exclusive. After all, she didn't have to produce her mother during her acting "career", and the less black she appeared, the more doors were likely to open for her. But marrying into the royal family, she was kind of forced into a corner - she had to have at least one relative there, and her mother appears to be the only relative she has left with whom she shares a close and loving relationship. And, ditto, marrying into the royal family with its attendant excruciatingly thorough explication of her life by the media, she wouldn't really have been able to hide Doria, so why bother to try?

Between two parents, neither of whom was precisely "on brand", Meghan sensibly chose the one with whom she apparently has had little to no friction. I rather agree with Sparkle - her dignified, composed classily dressed black mother was an infinitely better choice than her obese slob of a father living in Rosarita, Mexico, whose persona screams "down at heels".

That doesn't contradict Sparkle's white leaning public persona.

[quote] her obese slob of a father living in Rosarita, Mexico, whose persona screams "down at heels".

"Down at the Heels" after spending so much money supporting his darling youngest who has dropped him now that he is of no more use to her.

[quote]Between two parents, neither of whom was precisely "on brand"

That is sooooo HRH the Duchess of Sohohouse. Miserable climber. Not that there's anything wrong with climbing, but a little style please. Which then circles round to how fucking thick Harry was to marry her. Helen Keller could have seen the creature on the approach.

Nah, Meg doesn't have a "close and loving relationship" bone in her body -- narcissists can't. It's all for show. According to MeAgain, her worth to the BRF lies in relating to the younger poors, and so since diversity is "in," trotting mums out there might be in. Yes definitely I think she is that cynical, and believe she will wring her mother out like she did her dad, if it comes to that. For now she is paying her off to shut up and perform.

Doria is the only mystery in this whole saga. It's not hard to guess everyone else's motivations and/or feelings when it comes to Meghan. But Doria? What's her take? I get the sense that she has Meghan's number. But is she a grifter, too? She seems willing to be trotted out as needed. But she also seemed sad at the wedding, like, here we go again and all. I don't think Meghan is truly close to her, emotionally.

What did Pa Markle say Doria taught Meagain? "Don't bother with people who can't do anything for you" or something like that... I don't doubt that Pa Markle was telling the truth about that, it's seems to be the theme of her vision board.

$$$$$

R458 - She may be mysterious as a character in the saga, but there's no mystery about what she stands to gain from supporting Sparkle's new narrative: lifetime security of a sort she never would have achieved on her own. At some point, she will quietly move to the UK "to be with her grandchildren" and I have no doubt that Harry will support that move financially. After all, Doria will be the children's only living grandmother (Camilla will not count in this equation).

So Doria is doing precisely the right thing: keeping a low, quiet profile, supporting Sparkle when and how required, and guaranteed a lifetime of security in grander quarters than she could ever have hoped to acquire in L.A.

[quote]What did Pa Markle say Doria taught Meagain? "Don't bother with people who can't do anything for you" or something like that... I don't doubt that Pa Markle was telling the truth about that, it's seems to be the theme of her vision board.

I find that hard to reconcile with her career in social work, but I also agree with R461.... she's probably just making the best of some unexpectedly good luck.

R458, a mother will always love her child. I think Doria is a smart woman who knows something about human nature. She knows Meghan will never change, but she loves her anyway, and might be desperate to know her grandchildren before she gets ghosted.

She might be a horrible person underneath, but she seems okay to me. Not pretentious but she seems to have a quiet dignity. Who knows. She certainly has a lot more class than her daughter does.

Her advice to her daughter is probably the same that women have always passed down, in hope that they’ll have better lives. You can love a rich man as much as you love a poor one. Appearances matter. Network and make good connections.

[quote][R458], a mother will always love her child.

LOL!

Yeah 464, I mean, Mrs. Ramsey. I had a good chuckle at what R463 said myself.

[quote] You can love a rich man as much as you love a poor one.

Doesn't Lorelei Lee say that in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes? It's technically true but misleading. Very few rich men are really lovable. The ones that are have their pick and you're probably not on the list. Being kept or being a trophy spouse is hard work.

r464 I of course fucking meant. My typing skills, always shabby, have totally escaped me of late. I blame Sparkle, because, hell, why not?

Doria is probably privately laughing.

Pa Markle foot the bill for all the expensive education as well as supporting Sparkle afterward.

Doria did not.

Then when Pa is tapped out, Doria becomes the "heroic" single mom, gets the wedding invite, Prince Charles's arm and the "grandmother" role while the now broke Pa is living in poverty in a foreign country, ghosted by his greedy, manipulative child and left out in the cold.

Disgusting.

"she seems to have a quiet dignity"

I take it as a cold aloofness burnished by the glow of money. She is either the top narcissist or the narcissist enabler.

THASS RACESS!

r468 nailed it.

Sparkles and dimwit remind me of when emma stone was bearding for andrew garfield:Constantly grinning while he looked miserable staring at him while he looked over the top of her head,and clinging to him while he just looked aloof and done with everything!

R68 has a way with words. Made me feel bad about Pa Markle. She was glowing about him in her blog in 2014. What happened in two years' time that was so bad. When is Thomas (or Samantha) going to tell us where Doria was when Samantha was a teen? When is he going to confirm or deny the rumors of a secret early wedding and annulment? He really has nothing to lose at this point.

He's playing to the American press and they're focused on the midterms. We'll probably hear from him once again in a few weeks once the midterm coverage dies down. Maybe a pap shot of him st McDonalds on Thanksgiving day?

Here is the now-deleted pic from Meghan's instagram that was captioned: "He wears it well." Notice the orange filter. She was trolling. Encouraging followers to believe it was Harry. It's Markus Anderson in an orange filter. This is the sort of shit she did before they were engaged, yet they got engaged. I think the "matching shirts and snuggling" photo that caused Sugars to have a metldown about "privacy" and demand it be deleted was also Markus, and they were worried people who weren't fans of Meghan would see just how manipulative she was.

The only things I like about Doria as compared to her kid is she makes it SO obvious she is going through the motions. No smarm from her. She is also clearly making bank from pap photos but at least never changes out her wardrobe. T-shirts and athleisure. She doesn't give a shit, and when she does show up to be "royal" she looks better and wears clothes better than her kid without seeming to give a shit. And that's the sum total of what I like about her.

R472, but Andrew Garfield is the millionth in an obviously long line of guys in that situation who try to have it both ways. The woman is selling it, the guy acts like he wants to escape. But all he's doing is pandering to fan base factions. Except he does not. He shows up at the next event, and when the buzz about his hostility gets loud, he paws and loves up his phony SO. Rinse repeat. Brad Pitt did it. Plenty did it. Now Harry. Half of Harry's fans are "He's in pain! He's being coerced! She's evil!" BullSHIT. Do I think he's in love with her? No. In sexual thrall to her? No. I think he was an idiot and a series of circumstances and events, which included his own impetuous idiocy, "trapped" him into this relationship in the sense that he felt he'd look stupid or foolish or uncool if he ended it, and since he hasn't the skill set nor the prospects for better than this, he went ahead. And that's it. He's a moody bitch working both sides of the street, so half the time he's apologizing for her and the other half: "She gets whatever she wants!" Screw him. He's worse than she is. Nobody is deceived about her, but I think plenty are deceived about Harry.

Am I the only person who finds the irony in Meghan doing a cookbook, in remembrance of people who were burned alive in a fire?

R439 Are you American or British or Commonwealth?

If you're Brit/Commonwealth you're expected to bow but Americans aren't "required" to.

Harry is just as bad as her in his own ways. But I think he was deceived in that he probably thought she would play along better. He probably didn't expect her to constantly walk in front of him, steal attention from him with her antics and completely ignore him at the cookbook event. He's pissy because he got played and he thinks he can't handle her. (Although narcissists are pretty easy to rattle once you know you are dealing with one.)

Reading in to Sparkle and her awfulness is one thing. The tedious, and in my view, ridiculous "throw spaghetti to the wall" style of conjecture about Doria is another. Come on, we are better in our bitchiness than that kind of low hanging fruit that has no seeming merit. When or if Doria starts to show her ass, that is one thing. She has only been a (rather undeserved) compliment to MM thus far. If/when that changes, we can then dig our fangs in deep.

Harry will be a mess as Andrew is ! Both spares both married to women who are a disgrace and they themselves are a disgrace ! The Queen is far to mild to both of them . They can do as they want and screw things up no one will utter a word of it or be angry to them ! That’s the ugly thruth

Its gonna be the taxpayer who will be fed up with these two ! I mean Harry looks like a slob not even royal ! I mean my son who works in a factory has better clothes on him than Harry . He.s not even groomed properly Harry ! If I was a taxpayer in the UK I would demand these two to be more royal ! And that means properly dressed fitted for a royal ! The only time nutmeg looked like a Duchess was at the garden party ! It makes me angry to see these two behave themselves like bohemians .

[quote]If you're Brit/Commonwealth you're expected to bow but Americans aren't "required" to.

No one is required or expected to any longer.

Doria doensn’t bother me . She’s always dressed very beautiful but her daughter that’s another thing . I love it that Doria didn’t have plastic surgery but nutmeg has been under the knife . Doria is what she is and I like that !

No one really knows what anyone in the BRF, including Harry, is thinking. But what we can pretty much surmise is that if they aren't feeling as happy as they could wish with Harry's marriage, there isn't much they can do about it, and they're well and truly fucked. Harry, particularly, but the BRF more widely. Judging, admittedly from afar, Harry doesn't seem nearly as ecstatic as one would expect; in which, by the way, he again replicates his father's experience with his mother, because Charles didn't look particularly ecstatic right after his marriage, either - for very good reasons, as we all found out much later on.

The only difference here is that Harry is now far from the throne, and Charles was the Heir Apparent, which might give the BRF a bit more leeway in making things privately uncomfortable for Sparkle, sending their usual oblique, coded message that they aren't pleased.

But in concrete terms, the BRF really has no options. They can't force Harry to divorce her if they see her being destructive to him; he's a grown man. Their response has always been to act as if everything is going brilliantly, keep the Happy Families facade going as long as possible, and then try to handle the fallout when the proverbial hits the fan with as little frenzy as possible.

It is what they have always done, and my guess is that we will witness years of rumour and innuendo about TIP (as we did with Charles and Diana), a Duchess increasingly more about her public persona than her marriage; then, in ten or so years, both will have absolutely had it and part ways, the Duchess having secured, through her marriage and a couple of kids, a sinecure that will keep her in expensive clothes and fine hones for the rest of her life. This trajectory will be interrupted periodically by HM's death, Charles's ascension, the Cambridges moving up the ladder with Prince George in his teens and probably quite handsome and sucking up increasingly more air out of the royal landscape, etc.

But anyone expecting a divorce in a couple of years is dreaming. Harry made this bed, and Harry will have to sleep in it for the foreseeable. Absent a complete emotional breakdown (which I don't entirely exclude, given the state of his grooming, his occasionally glazed eyes, and what I believe is desperate boredom), Meghan Markle has played her cards well and will go on feeding her bottomless narcissism, ignoring the gathering clouds (something Diana also did) until she forces a crisis over which she will not have control.

So buckle up!

I still think she’s not pregnant ! Before their tour they where 2 days in Amsterdam with Soho House . 2 Days of partying Sex drugs and alcohol . That’s the motto of Soho House . Only for the,rich and famous you all .

^*fine homes

R487

I wonder, too. They both looked doped up at various points in the tour. Whatever stop they made where she was wearing the blue cape dress, she was flying. Maybe a surrogate? Or maybe she just doesn't care.

R488 - Get over it. Of course, she's pregnant. She needs that baby desperately. It's the cornerstone of her marriage and her position in the family. It's too easy to persuade and increasingly unhappy son or grandson to get rid of a childless spouse of a year's standing. It's much harder to persuade him to boot out the mother of his child, who will likely take the child with her, and find himself where he was as a kid.

Without that baby, Sparkle remains on a cliff edge. She's pregnant, make no mistake. And if she's been indulging (and we have absolutely no evidence that she was), she wouldn't be the first pregnant woman to take risks like that. But she has to know that if she has, and there is anything wrong with that baby, her public persona would take a beating that it wouldn't soon recover from, not least in comparison to Kate's exemplary motherhood.

I don't see her narcissism as that in control of her street smarts. It's possible, but I think unlikely.

She's pregnant. Full stop.

No R491 she.s not pregnant . All that fake tummy cradling was over the top ! And then the maturnity clothing she was dressed in . A jeans and then a more blousing little vest on top . There was no belly in that jeans . The vest was to fool us she was pregnant . And there are so many little things . The belly that came and than vanished . The cradling oh look i.m sooo pregnant . And oh yes and the farewell gift to her love Jessica Mulroney of a 80000 pound Jaguar . Yes the British taxpayers will be thrilled . I don’t think nutmeg and dimwit payed that out of ther own money . Trust me there was never a princely penis in her vagina !

Pregnant..not pregnant.....don't worry, soon she will be in a bikini with full belly and linea nigra on display to end any doubt.

What people want to see when they look at the RF is a fairytale . People pay for that fairytale to see . Its something that they can look up to in their daily sorrows . Diana even with her faults knew that . Nutmeg thinks she is Diana . Not in a million years . What I see when I look at these two are two slobs who can’t dress themselves . Why you have a RF If the Duchess and Duke of Sussex don.t look royal . People in the streets are better clothed than these two fake people . At least Charles and Camilla and William and Kate do their job .

Whatever happens, it’s going to be messy. Divorce or not. She simply cannot help herself.

The Palace isn't saying whether Nutmeg The American Citizen voted in the American midterms. What are they afraid of?

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R497 - Harry used to make fun of William losing his hair so serves him right.

R496 - "The Palace isn't saying whether Nutmeg The American Citizen voted in the American midterms. What are they afraid of?"

Oh, just a little thing like Britain's royal family influencing American elections . . . in this case, the BRF is quite correct. Even Sparkle has the right to privacy of the polling station. Her vote is no one's business but her own.

[quote]How the hell do we beat Trump in 2020??

People always say this a few years out -- "yeah the president is a jerk but who do we have to beat him? Nobody!" But like clockwork we get someone who we can rally behind. Of course some are better than others, some don't connect with working class whites in battleground states for instance. Kerry in 2004 was a perfect example. Yes, he lost, but we know why (largely the same reason Clinton lost in 2016), and we know how to avoid it -- Bill C and Obama both showed us how.

You make a real outreach to working class whites in battleground states, using someone who really understands them and doesn't feel patronized by your efforts as a result. Clinton had a feel for these people himself and he had Carville to help guide him too. Obama had Axelrod, who was very canny at understanding peoples' needs, what they need to hear (his father was an ad exec and that was a topic of conversation in his family as he was growing up).

So we need someone who will energize the democratic base, but also reach out effectively to working class whites. Are a lot of them Trumpkins now? Yes. Can some of them be swayed, enough to tip states like Michigan and Ohio? Yes -- it's already been proven possible. We need that person, and a strategist who can help that happen. Let that be your guide in backing a candidate.

R492 - Wearily, I will once again point out that her incessant cradling of her bump was part of her incessant need to be the center of attention. Assuming that that means there is no bump and no baby is sheer idiocy. And every time one of you There's No Baby There lot makes that assertion, you never, EVER, follow it up with what HazBean plan to do should it turn out that they persuaded the BRF to make a false announcement on its very own official web site, completely humiliating the entire BRF, including the Sovereign and the next King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The idea is absurd because the level of risk to the couple would dwarf the risk of an earthquake under her hometown.

That baby has to be real or she'll be sent flying out on a broomstick before you can say Quidditch.

I think the question is “Did she vote?”, as opposed to “Who did she vote for?”

I’m not sure of the intricacies, but I believe US citizens can vote by absentee ballot. My guess is that she didn’t bother.

R500 - Wrong thread.

Harry and Meghan seem legit in love? Where is the proof he is so miserable? I think they are cut from the same cloth, psychologically. $he's shallow & he's shallow, both NPD. Perfect! For me, I think William is more interesting. I wonder what he truly thinks of his brother..btw Harry is not like the lesser royals who are 10th in line etc. He will always be held in equalish esteem as his brother just because he is precious Princess Diana's son...

R501, I agree. The “she’s not really pregnant” folks make me scratch my head. She’s bold, but she’s not THAT bold. I’ll believe the assisted fertility stuff, but I believe there’s a real fetus in that there uterus.

And yet, why would a woman in a geriatric pregnancy go on a lengthy tour to a Zika-infested area and appear to be high at various intervals? Why jeopardize the little meal ticket? She needs this baby to secure her place. Something doesn't add up.

R592 that is so true . I think they have a surrogate . I don’t think petite Nutmeg will be all bloated with a huge baby bump . You can’t do drugs and alcohol when you’re preggers and go to a Zika area too. So I think the RF knows be sure of that . Rich people do use a surrogate all the time . She was overplaying that so-called pregnancy . Not a woman in the world would craddle her belly like that in public .When i was pregnant i worked full time and i think a lot of others do that too. I my first 3 months i never craddled my belly in the workplace . Its something you do when you are 7 months or 8 months pregnant ! And then i never did that in public .

Nutmeg pretending to be sexy. She was always full of herself.

Smug Mug.

Look at ME! Ta-dah!

These two - peas in a pod!

R507, attention whores cradle their nonexistent baby bumps. Regular women do not until there’s actually something there.

This is our laugh for today. You're welcome.

R506 I my opinion me thinks that’s she ‘s just someone to divert the eyes of the public from Harry’s gayness . They will have a baby using a surrogate and it will be white just count on that . I think Harry has a boyfriend and nutmeg is just a deploy for Harry and his boyfriend . She doesn’t have a mealticket as others suggest . She has a contract with Harry and that’s it .

Thank you R513 ! I was laughing reading that 😂

In that sense she is doing her job, r514. Everyone is focused on her and not Harry, or the Panama papers, or Andrew's shenanigans, or Charles' association with that pedo clergy, etc.

R506 - Because she had medical advisors telling her that the risk could be minimised if 1) the outbreak is old and believed to have concluded, 2) she was kept away from acute areas, and 3) she wore long sleeves and hose in those areas.

R514 - there is not the slightest evidence Harry is gay; using a surrogate would render them and the BRF vulnerable to blackmail particularly if the surrogate says she wants to "keep the baby".; the baby will look white, anyway, because Harry is white and Meghan is half-white. While there's no guarantee that Meghan's X contribution to the child's DNA will be her white and not her black genes, given that Harry's contribution will be 100% white, and Meghan's will be possible 50% white or whatever her exact component is, the baby is likely to be extremely light or what they call "white passing".

So if the baby looks white, it will be proof of absolutely nothing in the way of surrogacy. Only fools in their position would go for surrogacy.

So now Harry is gay? Funny no one said that back when he was with chelsy or no chemistry having cressy.

And no shit the baby will be white seeing as it will be 75% or more white.

Paula patton looks blacker than meghan and her and robins child looks white. So does persia whites child and rashida jones and many others. All use surrogates or ivf? Fucking idiots. Take a biology class. You can't keep pouring milk in coffee and expect it to remain coffee.

Harry isn’t gay. Only rarely should anyone take seriously a post that includes the words I think. Especially when the thought turns out to be loopy.

Smoke and mirrors like always 😊

So she said, r517. If that's the advice she received from her advisors they she be fired. No reputable medical advisor would advise someone in her position to go to a Zika-infested area. More likely she decided she was going, come what may, and they tried to minimize her exposure. And none of this explains why she's looked high at various points of her pregnancy.

WTF is a "geriatric pregnancy?"

Medical terminology for a woman’s pregnant and 35 or older

A pregnancy over age 35. It's higher risk, particularly for first time pregnancies.

R524 - Any pregnancy in a woman over the age of thirty-five is characterised medically as a "geriatric" pregnancy.

R523 - The area wasn't "infested" with Zika. The locations were in countries where there had been outbreaks in certain areas. If the outbreak was still acute, I'm sure they would have told her she would be taking a major risk going there; if you look it up, you will see that neither Tonga nor Fiji were "infested" with Zika.

Google is your friend.

Harry may not be gay but he could have any number of fetishes or experiences that wouldn't fit with his PR image. Or a raging coke habit (which would his weight loss and disheveled appearance as of late). All to say, he's not a schoolboy and he could have several areas in his life that leave him vulnerable to manipulation.

Agree to disagree, r528. It's a risk she didn't have to take. She didn't have to go on tour. She could have waited until after the tour to get pregnant (you know, so the tour focused on the host countries and not her fucking belly). But she's an asshole so she did whatever the hell she wants.

OK, thanks for the answer about "geriatric" pregnancy. I thought it was some sort of mis-auto correction for a medical term. But it does sound like an egregious term to refer to any woman in her 35 to 40s. Midlife is more descriptive.

R530 - Actually, no, she couldn't have declined to go. Those tours are set up way in advance - it was probably set in motion as soon as they became engaged. The tortuous arrangements with foreign governments and states involve security, scheduling among organisations, publicity and marketing (of which the new Duchess would have been a huge selling point), expenditures on wardrobes, travel, etc.

It is a fair certainty that the BRF either knew or correctly assumed that MM would try to get pregnant ASAP after the wedding given her age, and unless she fell incredibly ill as Kate did with extreme morning-sickness, pulling out would have been a massive headache for all involved and a huge disappointment for the populations visited.

You don't pull out of something like that unless you're at death's door - so MM had to know that if she chose to try getting pregnant right away, she was on the hook to go.

Yes, she could have waited to start trying until she came back; but at her age, I'm sure she wasn't willing to waste time. So she took her chances and had to set out on the tour at 13 weeks along.

It would have been the first test of her "commitment" to her new "role" and she would have known the BRF and the host nations - and the world, were watching.

So, no, she couldn't just decide not to go.

The Queen Mother's mother, the Countess of Strathmore, died just before the new Queen and King George VI were to set out on a state visit to France. Rather than postpone it and disappoint her hosts by appearing completely in mourning throughout, the Queen Mother had all the clothes dyed white, which is also an acceptable colour for grieving, and despite her loss, went on with the visit.

You know, r532, there's a website that you would probably love. It's called Celebitchy. They love Meghan and you would probably feel at home there.

R533 - Oh, the irony of your post, of which I am sure you are unaware!

I despise Sparkle as my many posts about her demonstrate (you could always check the IP lists, you know). But that doesn't mean I accept as gospel some of the absolutely outrageous assertions about her by people who haven't a clue how most of this stuff in the BRF works.

I'm quite familiar with CB and Kaiser, thanks, and amongst my posts you will fine many jeering references to them.

R501 (you know, the post where I point up her incessant narcissism?)

But hey, if you cling to the belief that no one can dislike Sparkle yet still assert that she really is pregnant and really couldn't pull out of that tour without massive repercussions, don't let me stop you.

r533 is a freak, as are most on this thread. If you try to suggest maybe, perhaps they are being a LITTLE psychotic about their hatred of her, then YOU WANT TO BE HER AND MARRY HER AND WORSHIP HER LIKE A GODDESS. This is because they are freaks and insane, and should be studied, not responded to.

Tee hee, someone got their panties in a bunch!

She could easily have pulled out due to early pregnancy. There is no massive publicity campaign. It’s a royal tour not a movie opening. And I’m from Canada I’ve seen my share of tours. He would have gone alone. End of. Stop making shit up.

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R535 - So I gather.

R538 - Her early departure was scheduled prior to the tour. Check the Express.

R538 - I believe Camilla's mother died from osteoporosis so I'm not surprised she's having back problems.

R537 - Sure - her First Really Big Gig As The Duchess Of Sussex . . . and he could have gone alone.

Please, get real. Unless she was having a hard time, and she clearly wasn't, it would have been interpreted as rank laziness and taking it all for granted already - not really Cut Out For The Team.

I just know all those crowds would have shown up for Harry alone.

This was Meghan's First Big Gig as part of the Firm. She would only have pulled out if she were seriously sick and she wasn't.

You're the one making shit up. These people are there to keep the side up.

Cams wanted to get back to her horses and G&Ts!

I could have sworn I just did this last Thursday. Oh, wait, I did! We still have room, but it's filling fast.

Bitch away, bitches! When you're ready, Part 21 of Dangling Tendrils is below.

Looks like everyone has moved on over to Part 21 already sooo... here is a fake "Thread Closed"

R480 you are so right about narcissists. I sometimes read stories where somebody has survived a narcissist. Now a narcissist parent, that can't be helped. But a narcissist relationship? Once they start up - provided you didn't realize they were a narcissist almost immediately - the warning symptoms are almost over-obvious -you get out of there. Don't tell me the stories of the sobbing all night, the he or she said he or she loved me and then treated me so bad, and I thought I was losing my mind. The people who go through that kind of drama have serious problems themselves. Many of us - maybe most of us - have no problem with ending up with a narcissist in our love lives. It doesn't happen. If it happens at work or some other inescapable situation, it's not that difficult to handle once you know what they are, as R480 says.

One classic way Meghan is a narc is her CONSTANT triangulation. Word gets out that KP has split, and she's pumping out a narrative that she is Prince Charles' most bestest ever favorite.

R452 - there weren't big crowds at their little tour.

Those that were, were there to see Harry.

Oh my sides! The Cambridge and Sussex houses are being split because Meggy has different passions on issues than William and Kate.

Oh my sides! The Cambridge and Sussex houses are being split because Meggy has different passions on issues than William and Kate.

It's absolutely ridiculous to start a new thread this early.

“Meghan has very strong views on what she is interested in and that may be what Harry shares, but not what William and Kate share.”

And she’s grabbing a firm hold of the royal reins, starting with the couple’s social media footprint. After shutting down her own personal accounts following her engagement to Harry last year, she recently made her official return to social media with a snap of Harry as he rehearsed his speech for the Invictus Games closing ceremony in Sydney Oct. 27, posted on Kensington Palace’s official Twitter—which the couple currently share with Prince William and Princess Kate.

People Magazine gets more vapid by the day. "Meggy" had no say in the matter.

And, I think she's faking the pregnancy in order to buy her more time to ACTUALLY get pregnant.

I'm guessing she'll have a "miscarriage" for Xmas.

Followed by rumors of problems getting pregnant followed by trips to the fertility clinic (more press!) then she'll get pregnant with twins.

As someone in thread 20 said that i’m a loony maybe I just want to explore different paths to see what’s going on with nutmeg and dimwit . The fact is its just a fake pregnancy and maybe they have a surrogate what lots of rich people do ! She will wear a fake belly throughout the pregnancy ! She is just a front . Why he married her ? She is 4 years older than him and not a great beauty . A D-list actress who wanted her 15 minutes of fame . And I think she knew him from Soho House . Not on a blind date like everyone else thinks . I still think he.s gay and she was just convenient to use for his purpose .

I disagree, R553. If all harry wanted was a beard, he could have found one who didn't generate controversy the way MM does. His popularity has gone way downhill since she arrived and it just gets worse.

Given his dating history, I don't believe Harry is gay, but it wouldn't surprise me if Meghan is omnisexual depending on what her potential conquests might deliver. Her languid, postcoital shots with Jessica suggest she uses her sexuality to whatever advantage she might gain. She zeros in on her mark and makes the most of it. Her relationship with Jessica Mulroney might be "symbiotic" but just who marked who?

Why is the original post grayed out, why would somebody FF that?

R554 - Could you provide some support for your assertion that Harry's popularity has plunged since his engagement and marriage to Sparkle? I mean, I despise both of them, but people keep confusing DL with the rest of the UK, not to mention the rest of the world . . .

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R513 Meagain sparkles totally wrote that bullshit.

Harry showed up in uniform at a Remembrance ceremony today but no Sparkles. Is she too good to honor people who died for the country?

R561, yes. Yes, she does think she’s too good for that boring stuff. They’re just ordinary people, not anyone important.

Someone will just chalk it up to her being pregnant, though.

There are WW1 remembrance ceremonies going on for the next week in Britain. Will and Kate are scheduled to be at a number of them. Sparkle likely came down with late morning sickness because she doesn't want to hang out in depressing clothing (although that's her wardrobe) for hours long solemn ceremonies that won't be all about her. If she's not the star, why attend?

Kate lost three great uncles in the war. Wills and Harry's great grandparents helped rally the nation.

R563, she just doesn’t want to overshadow the solemnity of the ceremonies with her dazzle.

R553, like you I get nauseous at the sight of both of them (her for her utter indifference to the purpose of the role she has and him for being stupid enough to marry the blatant little climber) but agree there is no evidence they are unpopular. YouGov will poll. The numbers will come out then. I expect they will be upper middle of the pack. With any luck he will be higher than her because her shrunken head will swivel.

To answer your questions R556,

Sugars do that to try to stop the Dangling Tendrils threads.

Threads can always be found by using the "Search" function.

R566, I hope the creator of these always uses the word “tendrils” because that’s how I search when they disappear from my “watched” list.

This Duchess doesn't have to worry about Nutmeg stealing her thunder. Kate and William tonight.

Oh forgot to mention that Kate's blue dress has been worn before.

R569, and the world didn’t end.

See, Meghan? Didn’t hurt a bit.

She really knows how to dangle a tendril.

Nutmeg pretends to be a Kardashian and just ends up looking cross eyed instead.

Harry and Sparkle on a Jamaican beach when they attended a friend's wedding.

Thrifty Kate vs. extravagant Sparkle.

If Meghan doesn't show up at any Remembrance ceremony, there will be talk.

Even these little guys showed up for a Remembrance ceremony. It's good to see the older generation teaching the young about the war.

My most meretricious subjects,

My self humbly requests your mannered participation in actualizing your own peasanty love & light to be added to fabrefaction of a diaphanous beam of putrescent White Light I shall redisimpugn forth from my pristine third eye at half-elevenses on this very eve.

I, as an insangelous philanthropist and feminist, shall sacrifice both mendaciously prescient time and energy forsuch this effort in order that I may offer my deepest platitudinous thoughts a’prayers to that lesser duchess, Kat, for she her self is so unloved by my dear FIL — the triumvirate father that I my self literally never had — that she contemporaneously finds her wraith-wrought body clad in PRE-UTILIZED CLOTHING!

Ick!

Be salubrious of heart, subjects, and join my self unto this selfless act of humanitariantry. I infer you to remember, it takes a village.

#JeSuisKat #PrayersForKat #KatStrong

Namaste,

R581, that photo really shows how fake her hair is. It doesn’t even match. *shakes head sadly*

R576 made me LOL, though.

^^ Whoops. R571 photo shows the fake hair.

R572 is she really posting photos like that to IG? As her official IG?

That’s kind of... un-Royal. I get that she’s trying to be all modern and hip and shit, but. It’s undignified and whorish.

R576 Flower, where the fuck have you been? I nearly started an APB thread to dig you up.

Excellent work as always your Royal Highness. Kat? The hashtags? Perfection

*bows, scrapes, tugs forelock, raises fees*

My dearest compatriots of The Data Lounge,

As a perfectly average middle-class commoner posting herein The Data Lounge and primipara of no note, I trust that I am safe in unburdening the very depths of my effulgent soul unto you and that no acts of succisive sigilism shall ensue.

Confession: I, my own self, am afeared for the tiny middle-class seedling adrift in the surly sea of my unctuous uterine brine.

So much can go wrong. ::shudder::

Namaste,

R581, BRILLIANT! (and terrifying)

You looking for an agent?

R397, I saw the Commonwealth flowers on the veil, the California Poppy and the Nottingham Cottage flower Wintersweet during an HBO special called, I believe, Queen of the World. Obviously it's about Her Majesty the Queen, not Markle.

Sorry, 583 was meant for r397, not 387.

I really do not get the messy bun-and-tendrils hair style. To me it looks like the way your hair ends up looking after a day cleaning out the garage.

Kate's teal Jenny Packham dress is fantastic. Love the lighter coloured underskirt; it must look amazing when the wearer walks.

Still 15 away from 600 and the next thread is already over a hundred....

WASTEFUL!!!!

The next thread has taken a distinct turn to the madly implausible. Scary. Venture over with caution.

Yes, I agree, it is getting kind of creepy over there r587

R561 - in fairness to Sparkle, this wasn't the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day and none of the other royal women were there, either. I don't believe she was required at this one. The ladies will likely all be at the Cenotaph on Sunday.

[quote]I hope the creator of these always uses the word “tendrils” because that’s how I search when they disappear from my “watched” list.

That is how I started the threads from 1 to 22 and other posters continued the "tendril" byline.

-- Original OP

R587 R588 What's happening? It helps that I have a good number blocked (life is too short), like the sugars, the poo troll, anyone who says she's not really pregnant.

Tiaragate has exploded r591. The Times has picked up the story.

Bet Sparkles didn't expect she'd hit the FRONT PAGE of The Times U.K. about The QUEEN complaining about her ATTITUDE.

So will another admonishment be forthcoming of an undercurrent of racism in the "bullying" by the press of poor PREGNANT put-upon Nutmeg? HazBean relished flashing that card of impunity early in the game.

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