Part 21: Dangling Tendrils - All Things Meghan Markle

Never Forget!

R2, that is priceless.

The turd-loving Zuckerschnecke is here as well.

Well, if you eat crap like Zuckerschnecken all day long, you eventually produce LOTS of turds, so I guess her posting of turd pics and gifs is sort of compulsory.

I had seen the pic at R2 before, but before I didn't notice the fact that Meghan is displaying a piece of paper (presumably a pass or ticket) to the person seated in front of her.

Presented without comment...

I love how obsessed the fraus are with her, like she would normally just be bland, but their crazed desire for all things Meghan makes her somewhat interesting. She must be a special lady to occupy so much space in the fat fraus heads.

R6 - is that what they used to call a "long line bra"?

R7 - She was a perfect storm - the one remaining "world's most eligible bachelor" from the world's best-known royal house, she's a virtual Nobody, and along comes the Prince and turns her into Somebody AND she's half-black and older than he is and American and divorced . . . !

She may be bland, but the story isn't. It's still the Cinderella Complex or whatever that stupid cow called it when she wrote the book.

All that yoga and she still couldn't fix those chicken calves.

He wears it well

Diana's boys

Love knows no color.

This image needs to be printed in the millions and dropped from a plane at Chucks big 70th bash.

Why not fill up part 20? There's plenty of space there.

tumblr went to town today. I was going to cut and paste links but there are too many. It went after "Meghan's Mirror" a "fan" site started in 2016! because they just "had a feeling" the relationship with Harry was serious. And now they claim that people are "leaving Kate and buying into Meghan's themes." So after that lovely interview - the two owners don't know each other and live on opposite coasts - someone got busy and very quickly found they are friends of Jessica Mulroney's.

Also unearthed is the time Sophie Trudeau got in trouble because after she wore a broach by Birks jewelers - Birks is the jewelry brand Smeg wears nonstop - Birks of course advertised it on all its social media. The prime minister's office had to issue a statement saying they had no idea her wearing of the broach would be publicized for profit. Of course everything Markle wears on her body is trumpeted by the label's social media and the BRF, which has the same rules about taking gifts and publicity - is mute. The labels are all there, all the labels Meghan now wears, are Mulroney labels that she first tried on Sophie. With Sophie and the broach, it was spelled out that Birks loaned it to her. I am positive most everything Meghan wears is a loaner, and that's why her clothes are all over the map. There is no "theme". People try to say she's modern or streamlined, and then she'll come along swimming in floral tent or something with batwings flapping at her abdomen. She'll be sleek, then tent-y, then trendy, then bohemian, then buttoned up - there is no theme to her clothing except she's merching, although I'm sure every once in awhile she gets to keep something if it was old old old (like the halo dress) or an early itieration before the final silhouette is determined.

Let's not forget the Prince has big problems in the brains, relationship skill set and attitude department, which was why he had to pluck such low hanging fruit. No other woman wanted him.

What am I supposed to be getting out of the pic at r2?

Sorry r15 I try to start the next thread when we have about 50 posts left in the current one. Usually we cruise on through until it is filled, this time there was immediate migration. Just as well I suppose as, it started out strong but the Frauen invasion really dragged it down. So here we are, snipers on the roof, rifles locked and loaded with Frau-Away tranquilizer darts (extra-hefty brand). Let the cunting commence!

Never Forget II

I am mystified as to the significance of the Wimbledon shot. what's the deal?

Jessica Mulroney caught merching with Sophie Trudeau.

R21 if you go to R523 at Dangling Tendrils Part 19 and keep scrolling you'll get some of the backstory. There is also a bit more info at the beginning of DT Part 20. Fuck we are going to need some sort of index soon.

A loony thought of me what If PH has to maintain to 2 households . His legal one with Nutmeg and the other one his boyfriend . It would explain his looks sometimes and the shameless merching she is doing ! .At first I thought drugs (not that he’s shy of them) . They met at Soho House one of her favorite hunting grounds. And she could offer him a solution to his problem . He wanted a child but he didn’t want to marry a real girlfriend . She is a lesbian who did this before .

The loony here If they had waited for the fake pregnancy of nutmeg after Eugenies Wedding and after the tour none of us would have known . But she had to be in the spotlights oh yes .

The lesbians at her Wedding were a sign this was not a normal wedding . Pryanka chopra who.s with Nick Jonas now and who didn.t have sex with each other and also for 3 months pap strolls . Sophie Turner was at the wedding also and she is with Joe Jonas and had pap strolls for 3 months . Serena Williams who is married and looks like a man was also at the Wedding . Ophrah who is rumored to be a lesbian was also at the Wedding . Amal and George Clooney also at the Wedding both gay . Lots of gay man and lesbians . MM is also a lesbian ! Don’t let her first marriage fool you l her first husband is also gay .

Massive eye fucking roll at r26 aaaaand block.

Do you think she does yoga in the grounds of KP? Then she could leak to the DM :

"How the Duchess of Sussex is helping the royal family namastay in shape!"

"Flaunting her slim pins in mountain pose - Meghan treats Charles to a yoga lesson for his 70th!"

"Prenatal yoga keeps Meghan looking slender! The Duchess of Sussex spotted on the grounds of Kensington Palace in downward dog pose!"

Love that Grifting Guru! r28 You would fill in wonderfully for our MIA HRH Flower, Queen of Your Heart. The more satire on here the better. Do you need an agent, perhaps? I'm getting low on funds...see above re: MIA *cough*

Dearest SSAA intern 3...many threads ago I did offer up some sparkling satire in addition to our HRH Flower, Queen of our Hearts. You complimented my work then, much to my delight. I do so enjoy lampooning our leaky little Smegs - these threads have become something of a compulsion. And now let me return the gratitude and honestly say thank you. Your tireless work on these threads does not go unnoticed or unappreciated by the true tendril followers, we who have been here since the beginning and will continue with you despite the invasion of lunatics and fraus.

Oh dear. The grifting guru.

R30 Wow, such kind words, oh kindred spirit. Thank you so very much. On that note, I will depart now on my Ambien cloud. I look forward to what fuckery tomorrow will bring from our beloved Sparkle. I have a feeling something juicy is ramping up, but that could just be my hopeful wishes, as I need some good fresh dirt.

R32 So what I say is not relevant and juicy for you . The fact that she is a lesbian and he gay isn’t juicy for you . No you want to wallow on her clothes that are so ill fitted and her dangling tendrils . I will shut up now . All I needed to say I said . So goodbye to you I will be a lurker in the future If that’s allright with you

And R32 how many dead bodies you have burried in your basement that you need an ambient to sleep moron ?

Nutmeg and dimwit keep playing with us and laughing with us . As long people are discussing her clothes and dangling tendrils they don’t discuss the obvious elephant in the room . Sssaa intern is a shill from MI5 . After 6 months she doesn’t know how to dress and behave. All his behaviour and hers are ploys to keep us from discussing the real issue !

Goodbye to You!

No one would more thrilled than we at DL to find out that MM is a lesbian in her second lavender marriage. Her first husband does ping a bit but is on his second marriage and just became a father; her second husband has a distinctly hetero aroma.

My guess is that between MM's father and the many men she had to fuck just to get at last her one pathetic acting role, MM isn't so much gay, as a woman who developed a profound contempt for the male of the species, and a profound faith in her own ability to play them using her vagina as the violin and her tongue as the bow.

Gay men don't hate women, and women who have contempt for men and like using them aren't, ipso facto, lesbians. It's not so uncommon to be sexually hetero yet hate the opposite sex.

There just isn't enough material to assert she and Harry have really fooled a pervasive modern media and their own families. They're both, each in his and her own way, spoilt, not particularly nice, needy, hungry, and outrageously lucky to be placed now so as to escape the real consequences of their shallow characters. I suppose in that sense, they're perfectly matched, so maybe it will survive.

I wonder if the BRF recognised before the rest of us that this is who Harry really is and he's better off with a partner who gets him and who wants what he has to give, than with some more suitable woman like Cressida Bonas who would never have been happy with him or the role.

The "She's a lesbian" has no more proof than the nutjobs claiming she isn't really pregnant, who clearly migrated over from the Cumbercrazy sites still claiming that Benedict Cumberbatch's children are either secretly adopted or rented for photo ops, his wife was a human trafficker, and their marriage was never legal - they blackmailed a CoE Vicar, the Portland Hospital, flouted British government rules about registering births, and their friends and family are all in on it, including Tom Hiddleston who was a guest at the Cumberbatch wedding (and who if memory serves went commando under his morning suit - the Vicar was a woman, I believe, I wonder if he did it for her benefit?).

Same style of writing and same unsupported and logically bankrupt assertions.

A PR shill from the palace at R37 . 😉Nobody writes so lenghty here at the DL !

I know enough now 😉. I came for the dangling tendrils and found something else I wanted to know . I was always wondering with whom a certain young man lived and now I know . Thank you MI5 and the PR shill from the palace 😉

HALLO at The Boy Who Fell From The Earth 👏🏻

From the DM:

“Meghan and Harry have 'set a game plan' to ensure their child has a 'normal upbringing' which will include doing chores and using public transport, insiders say.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex - who are expecting their first child in the Spring - want to 'bring up children who know the values of normal things in life'.

Meghan, 37, is said to be keen to make sure her children are not spoiled, and will even take her 'kids on a subway', or the Tube.

The couple's unborn child is not likely to have a Prince or Princess title, unlike cousins Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis.

Speaking to US Weekly, royal correspondent Omid Scobie said Harry and Meghan will be 'changing the royal parenting rules', and have 'set a game plan' for how they want to raise their children. He said: 'Meghan will take her kids on a subway. They’ll have chores, and jobs one day. They won’t be spoiled.'

It comes after it was reported that Harry and Meghan would not be seeking a royal title for their first child, to enable them to lead a normal life.

If the new royal baby is a boy, he will likely become the Earl of Dumbarton, a subsidiary title given to Prince Harry on the day of his wedding, while a girl would become Lady Mountbatten-Windsor.

As Harry is not in direct succession to the throne, the couple's baby will be unlikely to be a full-time royal.

The Duke and Duchess are thought to be considering following in the footsteps of Princess Anne who famously turned down the offer to give her children royal roles in a break from tradition.

Both Zara Tindall, formerly Zara Phillips, and Peter Phillips do not carry a royal title, unlike their cousins Princess Eugenie and Princess Beatrice.

The latest reports come after it was suggested Meghan's mother Doria, 62, is set to get her own place in the UK in order to be closer to her grandchild.

The yoga instructor, who is currently based in LA, is understood to be considering spending part of the year in England.

Before Meghan's pregnancy was announced, Doria was said to have been taking baby-care classes near her home. “

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA.

In R5's pic, you can see her padded bra.

hahahahahahahahaha, what a DUMB asshole she is

In fact she's a dumbasshole - her dumb assholery just asks for a newly coined word.

R38 - Tough on your bran cells, is it? The heart bleeds.

Yes - I'm on the payroll of Buck House and double dipping at Clarence House, both of which are paying me to post about . . . . Harry's and Meghan's shallowness, her narcissism, etc., etc.

If your glaze over when you see more than two sentences, just move on.

Cheers!

R37

^*brain cells . . .

R44 I have still some brain cells thank you . But its not a custom here on DL to write so long . I was an avid reader whole my life and I can manage your essay ! You’re not the typical datalounger . You followed university because an ordinary man can’t write like that . So you’re a reporter or a PR shill or an investigator . No one writes like that on Datalounge .

R22 Looks like the Trudeaus are as dim as the Sussexes. Of course the brooch lent to you is going to be merched by the merchant. That's how borrowing/lending works with celebs in the retail world.

R41 - So, if they do nothing, their children WILL have titles, just not HRHs: Harry's subsidiary titles. That's where the dog is buried in this article. In order for their children to have NO titles and follow in the footsteps of Pss. Anne, Harry would have to have declined his ducal title, which carries those subsidiary titles. If he had, Sparkle would be called Princess Henry (like Princess Michael of Kent). He didn't decline it, and he could have declined titles for his children. As he didn't decline it, his children automatically have titles.

As for travelling by Tube - one trip and they'll rum screaming back to KP with their P.O.s who will be tearing their hair out.

Put your money where your mouth is, Harry. Surrender your ducal title so your children don't have any titles AT ALL instead of just not getting created HRHs, and your wife is no longer HRH the Duchess of Sussex.

Oh yes You write very formal . . We have writers here on DL who work for the film industry and that’s quite a total different style of writing .You’re from the governement and I think a man . A woman uses other frases than a man . Bye Bye

R45 - Hold on, son, hold on: you're saying that no real DL poster has a university education or is capable of bringing a bit more nuance and depth to comments here? And that just because other posters prefer two sentences, the rest of us have to obey this totally nonexistent "rule"?

And don't look now, mate, but there are commenters all over DL who write lengthier posts. Just check out the Meghan Is Merching and Meghan Isn't Pregnant posters.

Lastly - the only way I'd be credible as a shill for the Palace (you never clarify which one, by the way) is if I had been hired to smear the two of them rather than praise them to the skies (we do have a few sugars on these threads).

So, either you need remedial reading comprehension or critical reasoning courses.

R49, and a refresher on proper punctuation. That entertaining commenter has an odd habit of putting a space before a period.

R48 - Jesus, you could write for Aliens Are Among Us lot. Yes, I was an academic, yes, I'm a man, I'm also well over sixty and so, yes, I tend to write formally. And if you think that's the way government "men" write - if their Andrew Marr and other interviews are anything to go by, they can barely construct a proper English sentence in these sorry times.

You may entertain all the suspicions about ties to the mythical "Palace" that tickle your fancy, but there is no need to insult me by comparing me to government employees.

Kidding aside, it's rather pathetic that clean writing is a matter for suspicion rather than appreciation.

I’m not condemning you R51 . Its just not the style they use here on DL . I’m 64 and a woman and never been to an university . Worked my whole life and because of sickness had to retire . Not an American either but an European .

Wait, what? Markle's mother was taking baby care classes a couple of months ago? Didn't she learn all that shit when she had precious Sparkle?

Oh my God, the little tyrant must be forcing her mother to take baby care instruction before she can touch the royal spawn. The sheer cuntiness boggles the mind. Cuntress!

The Princess Royal's children do not have titles because Captain Mark Phillips turned down the offer of a title. Im sure with Anne's blessings, but it was not because she chose for them not to have them.

She is such a DuchASShole.

Because straight people don’t have gay friends, R26? What planet do you live on?

Thank you, R54 - I get so tired of that bit of disinformation continuously being brought up about Princess Anne declining royal titles for her children that were never hers to decline.

R48 can women spell phrases?

No way in hell will Meghan give up being a Duchess or allow her children to go without titles of some kind. The titles were the whole POINT of marrying the ginger fuckwit.

R59, I agree. They may say all this humble nonsense, but I’ll eat my pajamas if they actually follow through on it.

She’s whispering in his ear: You’re always second-rate, to them, Harry. They’re trying to keep us down, Harry. You can’t let them denigrate our baby, Harry. You’re just as good as William, Harry. You’re going to turn down the QUEEN?

She’s pedaling faster than ever.

R60

LOL! I totally picture that

R33 (and r34 and r35 and...) I don't know what you are talking about, and I don't know why you feel the need to direct your ire at me. I enjoy most of the posts on these threads, with the obvious exception of frau posts. I take Ambien because I have had very bad insomnia since before Sparkle was a twinkle in her father's eye. I buried the bodies in my basement with plenty of lime, so I am in no way disturbed by any unpleasant odors. I am not with MI5, though I think you meant MI6, and even if I was, I am fairly certain I wouldn't be able to tell you. Such imagination! So delusional yet dull! Flounce away in your desperate bid for attention. Thank you for announcing it, because it isn't a proper flounce unless it is announced. Goodbye, and blocked!

Phillips declined a peerage from the Queen which would have given his children the use of courtesy titles.As female-line grandchildren of the Sovereign, Princess Anne's children were never eligible for the style "Royal Highness" or the title "Prince/Princess" under the terms of George V's letters patent of 1917. If Phillips held a peerage, however, his children with Princess Anne would have been entitled to be addressed as "The Honourable", or as "Lord" or "Lady", depending on the substantive peerage created.

r51

there-there, i liked your coherent and eloquent posts. i don't think they were 'long'. do carry on - the propriety and formality of your tone is a breath of fresh air, indeed.

Why would MI5 or MI6 be posting here? Watching gossips sites about the Royals some American always mentions the spooks - why? The spooks get up to spooky type things, they have nowt to do with the royals who are protected by the Met police primarily. MI5/MI6 most closely resemble the FBI/CIA with similar portfolios.

R52, the 'style' we use on DL clearly goes over your semi literate head. As another frau, who has been visiting the DL for years, I have two words that you should have no trouble comprehending - fuck off.

R66 Very well said. I'm just a lowly intern, but for what it's worth, at least for my reading pleasure, I am giving you a "frau exemption". Snipers, please do not aim the Frau-Away tranquilizer darts at R66. Thank you.

R65 Not to worry, anyone saying that without joking is crazy. I was just joking back at the nutter I have since blocked.

I wonder if she will still strut like a cheap whore with a pregnant gut!

Yes she’s still doing it @R69

You guys, Flower made the scene (FINALLY) over at DT: Part 20 I just HAD to repost it here. But go have a look over there at R576 and give her some sweet, sweet W&Ws. And while you are there, check out R581 Love it! _________________________ My most meretricious subjects,

My self humbly requests your mannered participation in actualizing your own peasanty love & light to be added to fabrefaction of a diaphanous beam of putrescent White Light I shall redisimpugn forth from my pristine third eye at half-elevenses on this very eve.

I, as an insangelous philanthropist and feminist, shall sacrifice both mendaciously prescient time and energy forsuch this effort in order that I may offer my deepest platitudinous thoughts a’prayers to that lesser duchess, Kat, for she her self is so unloved by my dear FIL — the triumvirate father that I my self literally never had — that she contemporaneously finds her wraith-wrought body clad in PRE-UTILIZED CLOTHING!

Ick!

Be salubrious of heart, subjects, and join my self unto this selfless act of humanitariantry. I infer you to remember, it takes a village.

#JeSuisKat #PrayersForKat #KatStrong

Namaste, —HRH Flower, Queen of Your Hearts

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The current Letters Patent holds that Harry's children will be styled as the children of a Duke and those titles changed when Harry becomes the son of the sovereign. If Harry is serious about his kids not being titled, Charles III will have to issue a new Letters Patent to clarify the matter. This is done routinely.

"On June 19, 1999, at the time of Prince Edward's wedding, it was announced that The Queen had decided, with the agreement of Prince Edward and Miss Rhys-Jones, that any children of their marriage should not be given the style of His or Her Royal Highness, but would have courtesy titles as sons or daughters of an Earl (see the press release from Buckingham Palace).

At the time, many people have expressed the notion that a press release was not sufficient to modify the Letters Patent of 1917, and that Louise could not be deprived of her "rights" without letters patent. The fact is that royal styles and titles are a matter of royal prerogative, that does not require the advice of the government (the Letters Patent of 1917 were issued without any such advice). The sovereign's will and pleasure is all that matters, and she can change styles and titles as she pleases."

Ha! I just came to post that r72, it gave me a chuckle. Lizzie told her to mend her manners over how she spoke to staff too!

[quote]Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose.

r9 = ....c'est LA meme chose.

Former actress Megan is 'used to working in a Hollywood environment' and so can be 'difficult,' the source said. She has also reportedly clashed with the Duchess of Cambridge over how staff are treated, according to the source

Now that I'd like the dirt on...

I don't believe that about the tiara.... but I love somebody briefed against Meagain in this way... the important part here is somebody in the ranks doesn't like her enough to stir the pot. And if she was a nice Duchess, that wouldn't be happening.

.........

Harry is seen wiping his nose again in r77's clip. What with all Harry's CONSTANT constant nose WIPING

I want to drag so much over from tumblr but there's been so much. One that I couldn't "show link in new tab" was film of Harry and his fucking wife with two kids (two separate pieces of film). In one Meghan Markle stood before a small girl and you'd have to see it, but I swear she didn't kneel down to her level til she heard something like "action." I've seen that transition before, and it had that look. She suggested to the girl that they shake hands and the girl didn't shake hands. Then she took her hand - she was sort of fiddling with the girls hands, and suggested they dance. So she turns the girl, who is a completely passive participant. Then the film breaks, and when it resumes, the girl has hugged Meghan but it's like a stiff arm thing. I wonder if she was told to hug Meghan, BECAUSE in the other extended film, there's an ill or mentally challenged little boy (I'm sorry, I couldn't tell but there was definitely something on). He did not want to approach Meghan or go near her. The adults behind him were encouraging him by pushing him forward with their hands, but he was balking. Then fucking Harry told the kid to "hug Meghan."

As someone on that site said, you should not treat a kid's bodily autonomy like something you can order around. They want these kid pics - Harry seems to want these kid pics too, so they instruct the kids. We didn't see the little girl instructed, although the break in the filming is suspicious IMO, but with the little boy it's very obvious. And remember on one of their very first outings after their engagement Harry told a group of kids to hug Meghan? He's just as thirsty as she is.

Of course, tumblr is also running a series of pictures from .last year or a bit further back, of Harry looking pensive on a beach. It could not be more obvious that he knows the cameras are there, but where tumblr would be all over Meghan, they are "Oh poor Harry, he looks stressed." He's posing!

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It must have really infuriated Sparkle to see Eugenie with a tiara with the huge emeralds.

What are the odds that the tiara Eugenie wore is the one that Sparkle wanted?

The article claims the reason Sparkle was refused was the provenance of her choice. Possible, of course.

But Eugenie might have done an end run around Sparkle and already arranged with her grandmother to wear the Greville tiara with the emeralds.

After all, Eugenie's wedding had to be postponed and had been scheduled to happen before Sparkle and Harry.

Well played, Eugenie! And to the Queen for putting her foot down.

I wonder if Sparkle's mistreatment of staff was a factor in separating the "courts" of William and Harry. There were rumors she was a bitch to staff on the Down Under tour.

Probably sighs of relief from lots of members of staff. And not a little delight.

r79 Why not just head on back to Tumblr, fattie.

So passing this one on - an anon posted a claim that they have an old friend in show business - tv and Broadway mostly, nominated for a Tony award in supporting. Asked him if he knew Meghan Markle, and he did know her - or met her/had stories. One, he had an audition for Suits way back pre-Harry. A two episode part. One of the actors he met was Meghan, and she was an asshole. They had a conversation and she walked away from him when he told her he'd gone to Juilliard. He got the part but turned it down for a play. A friend of his is on the lighting team and said all the comraderie with the cast is for the camera (he didn't say if everybody was kind of jerky or just Markle, but it wouldn't surprise me), that Markle had given an interview claiming should "stood up" to the producer, network and writer about all the skin her character was written to show, and how it was total bullshit because she never "stood up to them" at all and clearly enjoyed it. He claims the rumor was they wanted to fire her for it. He ALSO says that she's been back in touch with the Suits producers recently and wonders what that's about.

I believe the "skin showing" story - that she lied, because it's a classic humble brag.

R54 - Yes, that is the point we were all making. Harry, unlike Mark Phillips, DOES have a title, therefore his children automatically will have ones, just not HRHs. And undoubtedly Anne agreed with her husband's decision, or it would have been a problem. Without the father having a title, the children don't have titles.

Harry has a primary title and subsidiary titles. If the baby is a boy, it will automatically be the Earl of Dumbarton. If Harry and Meghan really don't want ANY titles for their children, they have a problem. Because even if Harry surrenders his ducal title, his children, like Prince Michael of Kent, would still be Lord [name] Windsor or Lady [name] Windsor.

Good idea!

That would be the coke, R78.

[quote]Harry, unlike Mark Phillips, DOES have a title, therefore his children automatically will have ones,

No. Harry has a substantive title. He holds it. Legally it is his. As are the subsidiary titles.

His children would only hold [italic]courtesy[/italic] titles. Courtesy titles have no legal standing. They don't exist except as a convention. As noted above, the sovereign can at will decide who is called what, so all it will take for the kids to be only Mountbatten-Windsors is for Charles to say so.

R24, doesn't Harry's rumored bf, that Adam dude, have some money of his own?

Besides, before too long a nice lesbian will be found for Harry to marry.

Pretty sure he does have money, R87.

Of course, I meant a nice lesbian for ADAM to marry.

Some of you people are so fucking limited. You see a picture of two guys pretending to or actually kissing or two women putting on a faux lesbian show for the guys, and you take this as proof positive that they are gay. If you could get your heads out of provincial Americana for a moment:

Straight men and women, particularly sexually confident straight men and women, have been doing this for a long time. Upper class straight men and women have always done this because they have the inherent confidence not to give a fuck what other people think and also because they have the inherent sophistication not to see being gay or lesbian as a negative. Same reason that they have gays and lesbians in their circle of friends.

Harry isn’t gay. I couldn’t give a rat’s arse about Meghan. But many of you need to get your suburban blinkers off and realise that the rest of the world has passed you by and what you see as gay isn’t necessarily that at all.

Harry is not gay and neither are 99 percent of the actors and celebs you talk about. So pathetic.

Harry is so gay.

Keep talking to yourself up there. You are trying to pretend to be wordly, but you have it in reverse. You are an idiot. Keep earning that 10.00/hour posting here, though.

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R92 you are out of your fucking mind. I am writing from my home in Toronto. Do you think I am a Russian blogger or spy? I am just a sad fatso like you.

Will you bitches read link at r93 and COMMENT? Rational and trusted journalist is hacking MeAgain to pieces in his bio excerpts. Beany apparently threw a fit about her wedding tiara when the Queen blocked her. She's also clashed with Kate about how she "treats KP staff".

Not pretending to be worldly, R92. Just not American.

it's a given that she shits all over anyone she perceives as lower status. In her eyes, that's about everybody, but "staff" is easy pickings. Of course staff will leak like a sieve.

I am not on the poor dear Harry train. You can see this chick from entirely separate galaxies. Good God, what are his supposed secrets, besides likely bi? Coke? Mental illness?

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Earl of DUMBarton, hmm? That should provide years of entertainment at Eton.

Oh, and R92 - I’ve never earned $10/hour, not even as a kid delivering newspapers. The rest of the world pays a little more than the good ol’ USA. But you would need to have an interest in the outside world, or to have travelled out of your square state, to know that.

I'm surprised Harry didn't school MM about being careful how she treated the staff. Courtiers wield a huge amount of power and are behind every leaked embarrassing story about the BRF. Treating "servants" badly is really going to get the Great Unwashed Public's back up in a big way.

She wanted emeralds, and the rationale here is, the tiara she wanted, the provenance was unknown, so she couldn't have it.

All kinds of issues with this story. Wait, no. Just one. Why would Queenie show her a tiara (one of her "options" as Beano likes to put it) that Beano couldn't wear? No matter how Buckaroo brags, there is no way she has obtained knowledge of all the tiaras and jewels in the royal vault, so she couldn't have known of the existence of some "unknown provenance" tiara. Basically, she wanted something bling-ier with big colored stones, and QE said, "You will wear this coronet, and like it. And Harry, control this bitch." Our little Smegs gets wind that Eugenie gets to wear something super blingy with diamonds and emeralds, so our little bean shows up to the wedding in a maternity coat.

Of course she treats staff like shit. And now she and Harry are being turfed to the "general royal" budget and offices with a reduced budget, while her fans madly spin that she and Haz are getting a separate court with their own budget, and it was their choice! Cause sixth in line and better half get to do like that. The money - it's just at their command!

Nope. Just you watch, Sugars. Staff that handles the lesser royals while Meghan and Haz become "and you guys, too" will not be that deferential to the termagent.

The sticking point is unborn Beano. As someone on another forum noted, Betty is weak. Maybe this tiara story came out to push back about Betty being weak, but she still gave Harry's bitch a tiara, tours, and engagements when she ought to have told Harry that if he wanted to marry a grifter who merched off the BRF, he could go on and be a full-blooded civilian, but not a prince. And this forum poster noted, whether Megsy is pregnant or not, there is no doubt she will produce a kid from somewhere. And even if it looks like Alfred E. Newman Betty will betitle it. It's all down to William at this piont.

R98, DM articles show up as videos when “show link previews” is enabled. Disabling them is the only way to get a working link.

If you go to the UK version of the DM, the article in question is the top story on left, directly below the headliner.

I can hardly wait for the inevitable books to come out about what is really going on with Sparkle and her relationship with Harry.

There is just so much that does not make sense at all.

The woman appears to be clueless in so many ways that it is inconceivable to me that she ever had the slightest idea of or interest in really fitting into Harry's world in any way.

The stories just keep on coming.

Some in the UK Royal thread are speculating the tiara she wanted may have been the Vladimir. A large gaudy piece worn only by the Queen herself, at major events like state dinners or opening of Parliament.

I should correct my earlier post to note that the source of the info re Meghan and her wedding tiara was Dan Wooten at the Sun, re-capped by The Fail. Jobson wasn't the main source, as The Fail tried to make it appear. Wooten is a lot less reliable and not connected to BP, KP or the royals ? Just wanted to get that out there so people can judge the information.

This story about Sparkle and the tiara - I thought the Queen chose which tiaras she wanted to offer for the bride to wear and the bride chose from the ones the Queen offered.

So, was Sparkle scoping out the tiaras without waiting to see what the Queen would offer?

Hence, her demands to the Queen's staff?

The protocol is no doubt that the queen offers a selection from which the recipient can choose. It's possible MM researched the tiara collection and placed her order. If so, that's outrageous.

MM is a thoughtless little pig. Alec Baldwin should call her.

My dream scenario is Bean being taken into a vault where the entire collection is displayed QVC-style on black velvet, with special lighting.

After Bean oohs and aahs over the ones she deems worthy of a briefcase-girl of her stature the Queen points to the QM bandeau — which Bean had quickly glanced at, showing no interest — and says, “THAT is the one you can borrow.”

If the Russia connection is merely a red herring then Victoria's emerald tiara may be the tiara in question. (Replica in the image shows how the tiara looks when worn.)

How will Nutmeg's PR parry this latest volley? You just know should this reverberate she won't be able to resist overcompensating with how truly wonderful she really is, how Prince Charles is so completely taken her, the Queen adores her, the staff actually can't wait to defect to her and fuckwit's "Court." Oh yeah, and look at the sweet growing bump because, well, she IS the first woman EVER to be pregnant so...

"Our little Smegs gets wind that Eugenie gets to wear something super blingy with diamonds and emeralds, so our little bean shows up to the wedding in a maternity coat."

BINGO!!! Euge was with Jack for four years and had to move her wedding back to accomodate Harry's wedding to someone he had a long distance relationship with for barely a year and lived with her for only a few months before getting engaged. Then they wanted a wedding six months later, forcing Euge's wedding to be pushed back to the fall. Euge is the Queen's blood granddaughter and likely had her eye on the tiara selection for some time and probably picked out the Grenville emerald tiara in advance, blocking Meghan from using it as a backup to the other emerald one she originally wanted.

What better revenge than Meg stealing Euge's wedding spotlight to wear a maternity coat even though she was only 12 weeks along and "receiving congratulations" on her pregnancy at Eugenie's reception. SHE'S SUCH AN ASSHOLE!!!!

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Fuck the Meghan's Hate Fest is becoming nauseating.

I don't like her, I just don't, but you're all getting worse than Kate's haters.

It was funny when it was snarky and shady, but now you really look like a bunch of psychopaths.

A few days ago Meghan's mouthpiece, Omid Scobie, posted an article about Meghan's parenting style which basically threw the Cambridges under the bus. Might this latest article about tiaras be retaliation? She really is an idiot to go after the Cambridge kids. Things must be incredibly icy behind the scenes if she has decided to go this route, because she is acting like she has nothing to lose.

I don't know about anyone else, r114, but I don't hate her. That she has been able to rise so quickly is a thing to behold. As someone stated in an earlier thread, she not just a social climber, she's a mountaineer. I don't begrudge her what she has accomplished and think the royal family and Harry are fair game. All the same, its fascinating to watch her hubris be her undoing. The same blind ambition and grasping will be her downfall. It's a nice diversion to gossip about something so inconsequential when so much else is wrong in the world.

R116 You're pretty reasonable.

I just have enough reading about lavender wedding, fake pregnancy, third wedding and Doria obviously being a criminal.

A lavender wedding is implausible; I doubt that Chelsy Davy would have sacrificed her 20s to be a beard, given that she had a privileged life to begin with. Doria's non-visibility in MM's life from 12-17 is suspicious. As to a fake pregnancy, it's not hard to believe that someone with the means would use a surrogate. I know I would.

But there is a lot that does not add up (YET) about MM. The stories about her yachting, her connection with Soho house, her and PH's drug use, and her cutting out everyone from her past except her non-disclosive mother make her an object of suspicion and scrutiny.

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Explains why he's lost so much weight and looks so disheveled.

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The word “ nutter “ is not an American expression . Never heard that word from an American . So you’re English are you Sssa intern3 ?

And for the woman who blocked me also I was just making an observation . I never said that the academic.s post was bad !

R111, Princess Pushy’s PR is that it’s “FAKE NEWS” and how would anyone else be privy to that conversation between Harry and The Queen? Which is, objectively, a good question.

And I love this one: ““The Queen also questioned why Meghan needed a veil for the wedding, given it was to be her second marriage', “

R119, I’m not sure I’m seeing it. Are they unnaturally dilated?

R122 Canadian. Raised by English parents, and for the past 30-ish years paying way too much fucking rent in California.

I have no doubt that Princess Pushy wanted something and didn’t get it. I have no doubt that the Queen put her foot down.

I hope the Queen will at least live till the divorce. Someone needs to control this bitch.

R122, I’m American and my husband and I use “nutter” occasionally. We’re middle-ages New Yorkers, so it might be regional and generational. We’ve been exposed to a wider selection of lingo?!

Not arguing with you, just expanding the discussion...

I think it would be quite typical of Betty : "I gonna let you marry the Hollywood Z-list social climber BUT I gonna chose her tiara to assess my authority".

Thank you R122 . Its just that this is a gay chatboard and saying i’m a nutter because i have a different view than you ! Maybe I overreacted a bit with those dead bodies so my apologies to you and your husband 😊.

What does SSAA stand for?

Meanwhile, there has never been any question about the provenance of the emerald and diamond tiara Eugenie wore. It was created for the wealthy social climber Mrs. Greville in the 1910s and bequeathed to the Queen Mum in the early 1940s on Mrs. Greville's death. The only question about it had been whether it was still in HM's personal collection or had been sold off because it hadn't been seen in public in decades.

Are you someone who’s working in fashion maybe and your husband is a stylist ? Because I do browse you guys on instagram . I know you ! Haha that’s a good one ! The fact that you are middel -aged from English parents and grew up in Californië .

R132 It is short for She's Such an Asshole. If you see a poster sign off with SSAA with a tm, that's where it originated from.

R133 are you talking about me? When did I say I was partnered, let alone married? This thread has an odd vibe. Maybe it is just me.

Ah, thanks r134.

R133 Who are you browsing on Instagram? I am so confused...

I didn’t mention your name and your workplace because i don’t want others to know Sssaaintern 3 !

R134, maybe that person confused you with me, the middle-aged New Yorker who uses “nutter”.

Logic and critical thinking excludes the possibility of lavender marriages, bearding for Harry, yachting, dressing up while playing surgery. That's just stupid people mouth breathing and making shit up and I don't know why. I'd rather open a vein than look that daft, even anonymously. It's the equivalent of fibre in the diet, does a job, but it doesn't add much to the snark. Snark, like wit, has truth in it. It's drawn from dangling tendrils, hanging tags, bad clothes, worse friends, slumped posture, pigeon toes, pawing and clawing and clinging.

For example, I am specifically curious though about what Doria Ragland, private citizen and unknown, was to do during those years to be visible between Meagain aged 12 to 17. Is there some registry where you log your whereabouts in case your daughter marries famous and later the Internet wants to know what you've been up to? Or does it automatically mean you've been to prison?

Maybe r139

I should pack it in. It is nearly 5 am here. Insomnia sucks balls and not in a good way.

Very well put r140

On the tiaras, I imagine the Queen doesn't loan out tiaras that she wears herself. Difference in station. To be seen wearing a tiara previously, noticeably worn by the present Queen would be a huge honour.

Middleton wore a seldom seen, simple tiara, so did Meagain and so did Eugenie (though Eugenie's was the biggest.). The Queen may well offer outsiders the training wheel tiaras.

Also, the Queen may have known E was wearing the Greville with the emerald and let her own the moment, vs. TV commentators 'oh, like the Duchess of Sussex, Princess Eugenie is... '

Finally I think the most interesting line in the story is the reference to the Queen questioning the veil because it was a second marriage. I believe that because the Queen is so religious. I wonder if that explains why Meagain's dress was entirely unadorned. It was stylist but utterly plain. That may have been a concession, even if she wouldn't bend on the veil.

dressing up while playing surgery. = dressing up while playing surrogacy

Sorry for the Canadian guy with the English parents . I was a bit confused ! So my apologies are for you !

A question for the academic guy are you also living in Manhattan New York ?

To be fair she is BFF with Serena Williams who is known to be a bitch and rude to people below her. You can tell a lot about a person by the people he/she befriends with.

She has the same PR firm as Serena and Priyanka. That is how they are all "friends".

Are you JSLW by any chance academic guy ?

Loved r142’s “training wheel tiaras”.

R147 answered my question about Serena and Priyanka.

Anyone notice what was changed in the DM article?

Jungfrau, Up a mountain, Switzerland, 3 hours ago

The dm have amended the original article from this morning. They have sugar coated it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Harry took Sparkle to see the vaults without the Queen being present and then she said she wanted X tiara. This would tie in with his what sparkle wants sparkle gets rant.

the post from the academic guy is gone . I can ‘t see it anymore ! Very strange indeed !

So are there any new outfits to discuss?

To the poster upthread who pointed out that Harry's kids' automatic titles are held by courtesy, not legality, as Mr Spock once memorably said, "A difference that makes no difference, is no difference." Harry's children will automatically be addressed as Earl and/or Lady. The odds that HM will unilaterally declare that they shall NOT be addressed as such are slim to none, unless Harry and Meghan specifically and quite publicly request that she do so.

So to all intents and purposes, yes, Harry's children will automatically have titles. IF Meghan and Harry are going around trying to pretend that their children will be more "normal", and that they will "refuse" titles for their children, they are blowing smoke out their arses (not for the first time). The only titles that Meghan and Harry will refuse (whilst making a huge pubic deal about it), are HRHs.

Their children will be rich, privileged, and enjoy special social status. That's what Meghan married him for. This, if true, is just grandstanding on their parts; or, possibly, trying to get ahead of a decision they already know has been made NOT to offer HRHs to their children.

Regarding Doria: I personally think her “association” with her weird church/cult is the reason she wasn’t raising Meghan full-time. Those “religions” require total devotion and are notorious for alienating people from their families. And I’m betting the dad didn’t want his kid hanging around those weirdos.

I have a friend whose mother was one of those love and light hippies and my friend grew up partially on a commune in Hawaii. Eventually her father took the majority of custody of my friend, but he didn’t prevent her from seeing her mother. I don’t think my friend was molested (I don’t know for sure, she didn’t talk much about it), but a lot of sexual boundaries get erased in those environments and children get abused.

I have a feeling Tom was “rescuing” Meghan from that sort of lifestyle and wanting to raise her with a different structure.

R112 - That was my first thought when I read the tiara piece in the DM - if HyM told MM she couldn't wear one of the two tiaras with emeralds (both of which are more substantial than the one MM wore, the Bandeau tiara), but MM found out that Eugenie was being given the Greville emerald tiara with its emerald the size of a plum, I wouldn't put it past her to take her revenge by a virtual announcement of her pregnancy at the wedding - because as some of us have already surmised, Sparkle at heart is ruthlessly competitive, vindictive, petty, and self-absorbed.

I don't know where the DM is getting its info, but I'd love to know. They clearly have no intention of letting up on their campaign to show the public who she really is with stories that tread a very, very fine line between objectionable to the BRF, and actionable by the BRF.

To the poster asking about new outfits: I believe you will have to wait till Sunday and the Remembrance Day ceremony, when Sparkle will make her first appearance on the balcony with the other royal ladies, on the balcony, dressed in black (for once, at the appropriate time) and undoubtedly cradling her fucking baby bump so she can remind everyone that the really important point of focus is that she's pregnant, not Charles and William and Harry laying wreaths at the Cenotaph.

Of course Meghan's gong to to take her kids on the subway and do normal things like that. First, it's a way to be like Diana, who was spotted standing in line with her sons at McDonalds. Second, if she has no events to attend, and she's not allowed to operate her own social media, how else is she going to merch and have people ooh and ah over her and her clothing. She'll be thrilled to have people use their phones to snap shots of her on the subway, as she combs her tendrils with her marched rings. She's always camera-ready.

The tendrils hair style is intentional rather than an afterthought. When you're wearing your hair up, it's a way to still have the feminine look of long hair framing your face. For awhile in the early aughts it was a fad, popularized by the actresses on Friends.

The only two tiaras that I know of that hold emeralds are the Greville that Eugenie wore, and the Cambridge tiara (not the Love Knot one that Diana and now Kate wears) which is composed of the Grand Duchess Vladimir Tiara, make of diamond circles in which emerald drops can be hung, or detached and replaced by large pearl drops.

The emeralds used for the pendants in the tiara were acquired in a charity auction that Queen Mary's grandmother, the Duchess of Cambridge, attended, where she bid on a sealed box that was sold blind, and inside was the fortune in emeralds, which were then incorporated into the tiara and also, I think, turned into large emerald drop earrings that go with the tiara and a sumptuous emerald necklace with a large emerald pendant drop. The Delhi Durbar emerald necklace contains some of the Cambridge emeralds.

So if Sparkle was aiming for any of these, she was, as usual, aiming well above her real place in the Firm. Good on HM for saying, NO, and then letting her granddaughter, the "real princess", wear them.

Perhaps HM isn't as spineless as we thought, and it's a safe bet that if HM had words with Harry over his intended's willful nature, Charles heard about it and so did William and Kate.

So all the PR about how much everyone in the BRF just loves Sparkle, is just that: PR, also known as damage control.

After the Remembrance Day services, our next glimpse of Sparkle and her baby bump will be the huge celebration hosted by HM for Charles's 70th.

I loved the Bandeau Tiara she was wearing at the wedding . But I love Art Deco very much .

R151 - I doubt very much that anyone gets into those particular vaults without HM knowing about it. Allegedly, HM has a green safe for her emeralds, a blue one for her sapphires, and a red one for her rubies. The idea that Harry casually waltzed in with Meghan so she could review the contents is highly unlikely. Those jewels belong to HM, not Harry. It would have been tantamount to walking into HM's bedroom suite and opening her dressing room so Meghan could pick out a fur coat.

R116 - I would completely agree with your post. There is room in the world for fun gossip and the Sussexes are a priceless source of same. People who insist that calling it as many of us see it re MM's hubris and self-entitlement adds up to real "hate" are absurd - they need to go out and meet some real fascists, like the ones who scream, "I just want to kill Jews!" in a synagogue on a quiet street in Pittsburgh. That's real hate.

The Sparkle criticism is just, as the invite says, pointless bitchery.

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Well said, r162. I don't HATE Meghan, and I reluctantly admire her Machiavellian balls. It’s fun to discuss her outfits and dangling tendrils. It’s interesting to discuss the family dynamics, too. All in good fun. I don’t wish anything awful on her.

For what it's worth, the TIMES (UK) is now carrying the story about Tiara Gate, specifically mentioning that the Queen had to speak to Harry about Meghan's "attitude".

I doubt the TIMES would have picked up and carried the story, prominently placed on its web page, if it thought the story had no legs - they are generally more respectful of the royals than the DM, which has no respect for anyone, including the Almighty. The DM probably leaked the source, and the TIMES probably know the source is reliable, or they wouldn't have published it.

If the TIMES is carrying it, it's a big black eye for Meghan but also for Harry, painted as a hapless pussy-whipped wet mess who can't control his grasping, rude, self-entitled social climber of a wife.

The stupidest thing that woman ever did was have her lawyers and Harry threaten the British press.

As the old saying has it, It's a big mistake to get into it with an entity that can afford barrels of ink.

She’ll be about four and a half months by Remebrance Sunday so expect she’s told wardrobe to arrange for this:

The Times is total humiliation.

Someone is at war with those two. Ouch.

I don't hate MM but I resent her. She's one of the things which symbolise how trashy and degraded the modern world has become.

I don’t hate her either but I loathe her ignorance about the role she is playing. She thinks it is a part. It isn’t. Kate knows how to do her job. This fool couldn’t care less.

Oh boy the Times. yes ouch! that hurts, someone is absolutely being given their comeuppance.

Dan Wootten at the Sun is the source of the Tiara Gate story. I'm not a brit so don't know of his rep as a journalist or gossip monger. Lainey today said he has sources and bona fides, although I'm not sure how she would know.

r150: the piece at the Fail was re-written since last night to differentiate the story sources, the original article made it sound like the story of the emerald tiara came from Jobson's upcoming book, when in fact he only quoted Harry's "What Meghan wants..." and said the Queen called him to speak to him to calm things. Wootten sourced the actual details re the choice of the emerald tiara, as well as the further details re MM's treatment of KP staff, conflicts with Kate re this, etc.

The current edited article also goes to greater lengths to quote the story put out by H&M re their trip together to BP to choose her wedding tiara, and how 'generous' the Queen was and how 'honored' they were by her tiara allowance.

R168 - my sentiments exactly. The Royals have a lot of skeletons themselves but so I would think they would be more careful about who they admit into their family. The erosion of standards for royal brides has hit rock bottom. The fact that Nutmeg doesn't have a clue about the role and doesn't appear to care to learn from her mistakes is quite ominous. If she keeps it up, the press will turn on her with ferocity,

Will Sparkle be at the Sunday Remembrance day ceremony in London? That's the question. If she doesn't show up and then magically appears at Prince Charles' 70th birthday celebrations on Nov 14, there will be hell to pay.

^ no BUT just SO

R168 - Yes, quite. And that's the danger she represents to the Monarchy. It is being degraded, also. I'm sure they initially thought she'd be so grateful to get in that she'd settle down after the marriage, and they could also use her to advertise their relevance to "modern Britain". But, as they did with Diana, they were willfully blind about the depth of her psychological and emotional issues, and probably Harry's, as well.

They wouldn't be the first family in history to thrash about helplessly and then let the problem child do as he wishes, crossing their fingers and hoping for the best. It usually doesn't work, and it didn't work with Diana and Sarah Ferguson. The difference here is that the damage is being done to an institution that desperately needs to maintain its integrity and the boundary between it and mere celebrity.

Lainey also interestingly speculates that perhaps this hit piece on the Sparkles is payback for this weeks news that H&M plan to raise their children as 'normal', with jobs, riding the tube etc. In direct contrast to the Cambridge kids, who it was clearly implied were being spoiled and pampered.

Never cross William, or Kate for that matter. Never, ever. I think he's more petty and vicious than people realize. He also plays the press, when it suits him, like a fiddle.

R174 - Nutmeg's grandiose sense of herself and her leaking nasty stories about important royals like Will and Kate will be her downfall.

[quote]The Times is total humiliation. Someone is at war with those two. Ouch.

Stick a fork in Sparkles. She's done.

R171 - Interesting to speculate whether Sparkle would prefer to let Tiara Gate die down before another appearance - but on the other hand, it is her first obligation at this ceremony, so skipping it would make her look either cowed or lazy, and it is also, of course, one of the highest profile moments for the BRF. There are always lots of photos of the royal ladies on the balcony with their black hats and poppies.

I can't imagine she would want to skip the service given its prominence, but the article has appeared rather deliciously close to the service, hasn't it? I wonder if that was deliberate?

No one ever accused Sparkle of not having balls, though. I expect her to show but modestly dressed and carefully just a bit behind Kate and Anne and Pss. Alexandra and Sophie Wessex, so that she doesn't look like she's trying to seize too much attention.

The Emilia Wickstead outfit she wore to the Manchester concert attack memorial service wouldn't fit now.

She might also be well advised to wear British to the service, as well.

[quote]It's absolutely ridiculous to start a new thread this early.

Agree. New thread was started at 550 postson Part 20.

But how could the TiaraGate piece be real? Surely such a conversation would have been private, with no servants present.

The Times article is, well I don't know what to think. It appears to be regurgitating The Sun's article from the preview I could read. Is The Times in the habit of reprinting gossipy tabloid articles? This is really cranking up the drama when the focus is supposed to be on Prince Charles' 70th birthday.

I have no trouble seeing MM being rude to KP staff. Her attitude would be, 'they're employees, they are here to do what they're told, they can be fired'. Whereas in reality, the courtiers actually do wield a lot of power and they can make real trouble for people if they are so inclined.

R179 never underestimate what staff can overhear. Nothing is truly private in a house with servants. Sparkle should try to remember that those people she talks down to / verbally abuses / pisses off will talk to the press. Staff who like their boss don’t speak.

R179 Staff know everything that goes on in your house, which is why is important to be nice to them, if for no other reason. Also those old houses have a lot of secret passageways, private corridors for the Staff to get about quickly and also the family to escape. It's known that all round Westminster there are tunnels which extend to the royal residences. There will be ways to access those tunnels that are not obvious. It would be easy enough for some enterprising staff member to be listening in from one of the tunnels. Also someone or many someone's had to tell the Queen of the inappropriate behaviour, they wouldn't have to listen in to know how the conversation went.

Somber Catherine at a previous Remembrance Day service.

Tiaragate poster calls her "Messy Meghan" and the Queen had to put her in her place. LOL.

Half Nutmeg and Half Dimwit = Earl of Dumbarton or Lady So-And-So.

Proof that Harry really is a Dimwit Duke.

Another Remembrance Day appearance by the Duchess of Cambridge.

Baby Louis is adorable.

This woman in a towel is now a member of the British Royal Family. To think that the snobby Windsors thumbed their nose at Monaco because Prince Rainier married an an A-list American actress named Grace Kelly.

Her eyes were on the prize and she won it. Now, she has to keep it.

R174 logical but I disagree. William and Kate don’t have to compete with her. They have won. They will win. They will rise. Meagain will recede. (Personally I think she will be much happier after the divorce as sort of a latter day Lady Colin Campbell. Certainly far better suited to that role than her current one.)

So I don’t see William or Kate leaking. But it could be people close to them or courtiers or palace staff supportive of them as future King and Queen. From what I have read William deplores and distrusts media. No one knows better the pain of a leaking war. I would guess if anyone is leaking sympathetically William and Kate don’t know, because if they did they’d have to approve. I believe William love his brother. They probably regard Dim’s hopeless wife as something to be endured until she’s divorced and back to some plastic, shallow place that is more her natural habitat.

Picking on the children of William and Kate is a sure way to infuriate their parents.

So far, Sparkle's use of PR has pretty much not been countered by the other side. But perhaps that has now changed.

The Tiara Gate story, particularly printed in the Times is dynamite. And anyone reading it will not at all be surprised.

Sparkle's fans might cringe, but I doubt that even they don't believe it.

And the frosting on the story, of course, is the Queen telling Harry that his wife will have (and ONLY have) what the Queen chooses to give her.

Not what Sparkle wants, not what Harry thinks she should have.

What Sparkle and Harry want only comes through the good graces of other members of the Royal Family.

Except for the $400,000 money from Harry's trust.

R171 and r177: oh, she’ll be there. She probably will behave herself on Sunday, and act out again soon after.

She’s underestimated the British press (again) and overestimates pretty much everything about herself. No doubt she’s clever and manipulative. But she’s alienating everyone in that family. She has no allies. Camilla isn’t going to be usurped.

R174 - Lainey is as out of touch as her protogee - it is a lame attempt to offset bad PR with absurd PR. The Cambridge children are in direct line to the throne, their father and mother are a future King and Queen Consort, and they and their parents are natural targets for terrorists. Of course, they'd be given HRHs and of course, more protection, and of course, they'd be constrained from the sort of "normalcy" the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are pretending they are going to give the Earl of Dumbarton and Lady Doria Windsor.

It's a stupid response and only MM's and Lainey's most devoted acolytes wouldn't see through it in a moment.

The story was by all odds leaked by paid informants inside the BRF staff - they sign confidentiality agreements, but the pockets of the British tabs are very deep and those staff are abysmally badly paid. Most of the tabs' journos have one or another "source" inside.

And if MeAgain hadn't been so unable to restrain herself from overplaying her hand, she wouldn't already have made a slew of enemies inside and out, and sowed division in the Firm; of course, she can always claim it's the media doing that, not her, but given her past history, I doubt anyone would believe her now.

One can only speculate on the BRF's dismay as it watches the very clouds of nasty rumours and PR describing family fracturing appear, that it had hoped two nicely settled and married brother raising families would cut off.

R193 - 400,000 quid after taxes and used to pay staff, buy expensive cars and other bits of the household at the level to which Sparkle couldn't wait to become accustomed to that isn't covered either by the Sovereign Grant or Charles's generosity. You'd be surprised how thinly it gets stretched. Without Charles and the SG, Harry would be hard pressed to enable his wife to compete with Kate in the Don't I Look Royal races.

R196, not disagreeing a single bit, but money isn’t the only factor in the Don’t I Look Royal races. Kate doesn’t dangle tendrils or tags or plastic wrap on her handbags. She and William NEVER look sloppy or wear ill-fitting clothing. One can be impeccably dressed on a tight budget or an expensively-dressed slob.

But yeah, your point stands!

I agree: Meghan was a fool to think that she could insult the Cambridge children and get away with it. The extreme restraint that the BRF showed in the face of her prior press leaks and general misbehavior must have given her a false sense of confidence. But William and Kate are utterly devoted to their children's privacy and dignity, and I do believe that everyone around them is closing ranks.

She was probably too busy humanitarianing all over the place in her hooker heels to waste precious humanitarian minutes on basic courtesy so Lizzie reminded who’s top corgi.

So, the woman who hugs and closes her own car door treats employees like crap? And it got so bad, even the queen had to tell her off. Wow. Is she still speaking to the queen? If not, it wouldn't be a surprise, since she's dumped 99% of her family. She probably expected to be the new Diana by now, eclipsing all the other family members. The Daily Mail opened the Tiaragate story up for comments; the top comment (criticizing Meghan) has over 20,000 likes.

I don't think she's going to skip the balcony photo op, though. She won't miss the chance to stand in front of a crowd of thousands. Think of the merchandising opportunities. I wonder if Harry will still be wearing that stupid ring.

Isn't it quite risky to violate a confidentiality agreement ? What happens if you're exposed?

Not a lot of comments on Harry's rabid nose wiping. There's way more to these characters than poor fashion, bad manners and PR ignorance.

[quote]I don't think she's going to skip the balcony photo op, though. She won't miss the chance to stand in front of a crowd of thousands. Think of the merchandising opportunities. I wonder if Harry will still be wearing that stupid ring.

I wonder if these two are at all wondering about The Times article on Sparkles' "attitude" as stated by the Queen and weighing that with some not-so-good recent press, and deciding to keep a low profile for Remembrance Day.

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"Meghan cannot have what she wants" said the Queen.

I'm sure it was a surprise for Meghan to hear that quote.

I wouldn't be surprised if Meghan's PR team tries to deny Tiaragate ever happened. Stay tuned.

What the public is basically witnessing is two royal courts sparring with each other in public using media stories.

Is the article about the Sussexes' future parenting style really a slur on the Cambridges'?

At r163, Louis looks like a faith healer putting everything he’s got into curing Charles’s red sausage fingers.

She will be at the Remembrance Sunday ceremony. That’s a no miss.

R207, I wouldn't be too much surprised if so. Remember how Diana always put emphasis on how as 'normal' as possible she wanted her sons to grow up? Merching Meg thinks she's Diana 2.0, plus this was a perfect opportunity for her to put shade on William and Kate ... "looooooook, I will raise my kid with Harry, DIANA's son, just like DIANA did - but these two are soooooooooo different from DIANA!"

Ehh, I’m not seeing any dig at Kate and William in the “we’re going to raise our kids to do chores”. It’s not as if William and Kate are parading their kids around in Gucci, carried on solid gold litters, as if they’re Beyonce and Jay Z. They seem pretty grounded and normal.

Personally I don’t think it was that big a deal. The tiara thing is juicier.

And the most egregious offense IMO is the maternity coat at Eug’s wedding. That was unforgivable.

Sparkle will wear a black outfit and hat like this to the Remembrance Day service (or navy or gray). She will "act" very sad and may well up with tears for good measure. If she shows up at all.

We can only hope she doesn't wear this outfit and smile as she looks right into the camera!

Sexy Megsy's Best Come Hither Look. The Brits are suppose to take this woman seriously.

As the war dead are remembered, it would be advisable for the Duchess of Merch to leave the rings at home.

Nutmeg should have her dangling tendrils under control at the Remembrance service. Ok, half way under control.

Wear something discreet. Definitely no extravagant and costly gown.

R217, I haven’t seen Harry smile like that in ages.

That wasn't info anyone paid for. The tiara story was leaked by The Firm to get control of her. Announcing your pregnancy at a blood princess'wedding reception? Expensive non British clothes and merchandising? Do NOT take attention from Charles and William. This one wants to be the star and she will soon not be relevant. Someone posted pics of Margaret and Snowden making appearances for the Queen in their heyday. Who gives a shit about them now? It looks so silly anyone really thought they were relevant. As Williamxs kids get older H and M will get less and less relevant. Charles and William are behind this.

Will HazBean take heed or will they call out the pr with another spin? Bean imagines herself quite the player in social media currency.

HRH Princess Harry, should show up to the ceremonies in this fetching number.

Re insider sources and confidentiality agreements, the Palace tries its best but those agreements have on occasion proved porous in the face of a media organisation that can afford to pay 25,000-50,000 quid for a leak and considerably more for a big story it can break. The old-time courtiers who were fiercely loyal to the monarchy are mostly gone; the new generation doesn't feel quite the same way, and, as mentioned upthread, the Windsors pay appalling wages, figuring people will be so grateful to work inside the monarchy that they won't care.

I'd be surprised if Clarence House or Kensington Palace leaked the story directly to Wooten and The Sun. It's like the mafia: there are always layers of capos and lower-tier thugs between the Don and any connection to the crime. Their PR chiefs are too well known and it would be too easy to leak who leaked.

That someone in the know leaked it is beyond doubt, as the story would have been circulating only privately - the Queen would never have said any of that where a servant could hear her. But she probably told Charles and it got to the Cambridges - so my personal guess, especially given the bit about the emeralds, would be Royal Lodge - in other words, the Yorks. Andrew probably got the story from the Cambridges - his brother wouldn't have told him, but a pissed off William, already sick of MeAgain's antics, might well have, and left Andrew to do what he liked with the story.

Andrew isn't squeamish about such things. I'd wager a month's pension that Andrew waited a while and then leaked the story at a good time, after the tour and a couple of days before the Remembrance ceremony. Nice way of taking revenge for Meghan trying to seize the limelight at his daughter's wedding.

And possibly, to stick it to his brother for his son's wife's bad behaviour, Harry's and Charles's failure to reign MeAgain in, and to throw doubt on all the cooing over Meghan and Charles's relationship from the new book.

So that's my guess.

I'm pretty certain that Meghan wanted the Greville tiara, not the Vladimir. The Vladimir is a giant tiara worn only by the Queen: Even Meghan is not ignorant enough to ask for that. But the tiara she did wear looks something like the Greville, as they are both Art Deco bandeau tiaras with a big central stone. The 'we don't know the provenance' of the emerald tiara is a bullshit story to cover up an even worse story: After taking Eugenie's wedding date, Meghan then tried to take Eugenie's wedding tiara.

I agree that the leak came from Andrew. That bitch knows how to play nasty.

The royals haven't had a really juicy scandal in years. I'm hoping Meghan's entry into the class signals a new era of gossip-fodder: So far, it seems promising.

Do we think Andrew was listening to Nasty Girl to get pumped up for executing the leak?

Uh, it's time to jam Nasty girls, dance, dance, dance

The Greville Tiara also looks similar to the bandeau tiara Meghan wore, so I agree that’s what she wasn’t probably aiming for. That also explains why her dress was kind of underwhelming, as she probably wanted the tiara and veil to be the real attraction.

And anyone who thinks Harry's Instagram post today about his life being on track, his beautiful wife, and baby on the way, is a coincidence was born on Jupiter.

I don't doubt that his beautiful wife screamed at him to counter the story ASAP.

I'm sure the BRF is just thrilled with all this PR back and forth. They deserve it: they should have read Harry the riot act and told him if he wanted his famewhore grifter, to give up his place in the line of succession and head out to L.A. to hang out with the rest of the D-list Hollywood sleaze crowd.

The last time the Greville Tiara was worn was during Fergie's wedding before her daughter's wedding. Would Markle really be looking to wear something last worn by Fergie? Or would she be looking to wear something worn by the Queen i.e. the Vladamir? It's clear she doesn't understand or give two hoots about hierarchy and protocol. She's clearly a legend in her own mind. I can well imagine her asking for the Vladamir.

[quote]Even Meghan is not ignorant enough to ask for that.

Um..... I dunno.

[quote]The 'we don't know the provenance' of the emerald tiara is a bullshit story to cover up an even worse story: After taking Eugenie's wedding date, Meghan then tried to take Eugenie's wedding tiara.

If true, R223, this would be shocking. Meghan was trying to usurp the Queen's own granddaughter, with such force and malice that not even her wedding jewelry was safe?

In this light, Meghan's pregnancy announcement at Eugenie's wedding seems less like garden-variety narcissism, and more like a pointed, personal insult to the bride herself.

The question is, why? If she is such a strategic social climber, how does this serve her? Wouldn't it have been much smarter of her to try to win Eugenie over as a friend?

Although very lovely, this bandeau tiara is quite outdone...

By this exceptional stunner...

Regarding the gossip that Meghan and Kate got into it over how Meghan treated staff... did it specify whether Meghan was rude or not? Or was Meghan being “too familiar” with the staff and Kate stepped in?

Oh Smeggy...you done fucked up.

Breaking -- Palace shock as Meghan Markle's closest aide quits her job just six months after royal wedding

R233 the phrase used is "heated exchange" which to me seems like code for yelling. No excuse for that kind of thing. No excuse at all.

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If the duchess of Sussex is indeed treating her staff like shit and Kate got into a heated exchange with her, I'm proud of Kate. I'm glad she's demure in public and has stepped up to her duties more. I think she's done having babies and is gearing up for the queen consort role now that's she's got her and william's ducks in order.

She absolutely has every right to read Megs the riot act about her treatment of staff and if the rumors are true about Elizabeth and Charles not wanting to have to be confrontational, good for Kate.

Guessing Meg and Harry will have a lot more rude awakenings until they either shape up or become inconsequential to brf.

Why do I think there'll be more headlines like this one, as long as she lasts?

The Meghan Markle bridezilla report: Tiara demand annoyed Queen Elizabeth

R234, that was discussed months ago.

But R235/237 has excellent new gossip!

[quote]Meghan’s former agent, Gina Nelthorpe-Cowne, described her before the wedding as unique in her determination to succeed.

[quote]She said Meghan was ruthless with her time, her attention and her priorities. She was ‘picky’, not only when it came to her clothes but also her colleagues, instantly dismissing those who didn’t share her ‘vision’.

[quote]‘Meghan,’ said her former agent, ‘likes to move on’.

A PA only managing to put up with you for six months. Wow you must be a special kind of person. Those chicks put up with a heck of a lot, so for one to only last six months with the likely perks says a lot.

This will all end in concrete pillars.

Dearest Subjects,

I shall endeavour on this day to write in the manner of the peasantry — à la manière de pagesos de remença, as it were — foresuch that your selves of the lower intellectual capacities may understand my querulous query. But first, please move on from the #fakenews miring your puerile minds. Do not be swayed by the perspicacity of those who are INSANELY JEALOUS of moi. You, my dearest subjects, know my heart. You know my soul. Now on to the question...

If the Universe were to bestow upon a humble humanitarian/people's princess/influencer/intersectional feminist/girl-crush-to-all the destiny of CHANGE, would your selves agree that she had a calling to source Remembrance Day from the cool, svelte hands of the dead and repurpose it such that it actualized a day of remembering that she, the Queen of Your Hearts, was nurturing deep within her uviferously glacial and mugwort-steamed womb the fetalwoman who shall one day be Queen, HRH Princess Victoria Willow Doriana Açaí Sussex Windsor? It's only fair, yes?

As dear Mother Doria always imbued unto my ears as a wee changeling, "life is for the living, Flower."

Fervor wore a new tiara at her wedding, R228, not the Greville.

R244 is correct.

I mean Fergie. Dang autocorrect.

I think there's been some confusion about the "heated exchange" bit, R233 and R236. While it has been reported that Kate stepped in to address Meghan's mistreatment of staff, we don't know what that conversation looked like. The "heated exchange" was, in fact, Meghan yelling at staff when they failed to get her the Greville:

[quote]Apparently, the former TV star wasn’t happy about not getting her of choice of tiara, which led to “a very heated exchange” with staff that, in turn, prompted the queen to speak to Harry, the insider said.

She wore it well. (much to Nutmeg's consternation)

That would be smart, R230, but Meghan only seems to think that Charles and the Queen are worth cultivating. She doesn't understand how much lesser royals could help her--or hurt her, as it's turning out.

Definitely this the revenge of the House of York. God bless 'em, finally good for something!

She is not mentally equipped for the levels of Machiavellian intrigue routinely employed by the palace courtiers. Her experience in third rate showbiz circles is no training ground for combatting palace malice brought about by hubris. Her go-to move of using and ghosting will not work here and she has to stay in one place dealing with the hostile environment she created. I hope she packs up the circus and high tails it out of town before she does too much irreparable damage.

If she does bolt, the baby will be a useful bargaining chip for negotiating the settlement, especially if it's a boy.

The balcony will be interesting this Sunday.

Thanks for the clarification R244, I thought I read that Fergie had worn it. In which case given the Greville hadn't been seen since QEQM inherited it, how would she know it even existed? It makes me even more convinced she was after the Vladamir or a Tiara that was royal but didn't belong to the Queen.

Let's say that Meg and Harry divorce in a few years. Would Meg be allowed to move away from London w/Harry's spawn and turn to entertainment again? I wouldn't be surprised if Meg is already planning on whorin' herself/Harry's spawn out for some kind of reality series down the line. As it is, it looks to me like Meg is simply biding her time (hence the apparent lack of effort in assimilating) until she can maneuver herself and her $pawn to more amenable pastures (i.e. LA).

R228, pretty sure they would have gone to BP, which MM admits, been ushered into a room with a range of tiaras selected for her consideration. (She admits as much in news copy today about her recording a voice track for an exhibition about the wedding.) So one of two things happened: either she'd Googled what she wanted and pushed for it when it wasn't laid out, or the story is total guff.

If Eugenie 's wedding plans were far enough along, she might have learned about the Greville that way. She probably thought that if they would give her Eugenie's wedding date, they would give her the tiara too.

Or, she did want a different emerald tiara, and it was thought that letting her wear emeralds would steal Eugenie's thunder, and Megs pitched a fit about that. Brides can be nuts about that kind of thing.

She could have seen the Vladimir online and asked for it, but that seems like an insane amount of presumption, even for her.

Good guess, R222. Andrew and Sarah were PISSED. What an ugly thing to do at a family wedding. She is so self destructive.

If the baby is a girl, they might let Megs take her daughter back to LA, and good riddance, but only if the child isn't a princess HRH.

They would never let her keep the little Earl of Dumbarton, though.

It’d be hilarious if Kate wore emerald earrings on the balcony

R237 - So the DM broke the story of the PR aide quitting after six months? Man, they really are going after her, aren't they?

They need to be careful not to overplay their hand or they'll find themselves on the back foot.

What a fool Markle was to antagonise them before the engagement was even announced.

As the DM seems, shall we say, emboldened suddenly, running two damaging stories consecutively, I wonder if they are feeling emboldened because they're sitting on something bigger and are threatening to use it, or is it just happenstance that the aide quit just as Tiara Gate broke?

And just on the eve of Charles' 70th and Remembrance Day ceremony. I must say I'm intrigued by the timing.

I do not underestimate a grifting narcissist like Buckaroo. She could easily have gotten wind of the Greville emerald tiara with the vaguest of reconnaissance at making sure Eugenie's wedding didn't undermine her own extravaganza (underwhelming that it proved to be).

R260 - Remembrance appearance unlikely for emeralds, but the big gala for the PoW that HM is throwing on the day would be a perfect opportunity for Kate to show up in emeralds. I believe Kate has been seen in some, but it would be a hoot and a half if she shows up in at least the drop earrings that were made with the Cambridge emeralds.

I'd like to see Eugenie wear her emerald wedding earrings to the birthday bash.

[quote]Her go-to move of using and ghosting will not work here and she has to stay in one place dealing with the hostile environment she created.

R251, this is one of the most interesting observations I have read in all 21 (!) Dangling Tendrils threads. You're right: Slash-and-burn is all she knows. She's a person without roots, without any fixed sense of self ― yet here she finds herself, trapped.

Did you note the reference in the DM article - how unusual it was, in those circumstances, for palace representatives to issue a statement in support of the departing aide. Melissa is a hugely talented person,’ the source says. ‘She played a pivotal role in the success of the Royal Wedding and will be missed by everyone in the Royal Household.’ The solid silver knives are out and being sharpened as we speak.

R260 - For what it's worth, Kate wore a magnificent suite of emerald and diamond jewelry to the BAFTAS last year with a dark green dress. Huge emerald and diamond earrings and stunning necklace quite as impressive as the one that is part of the Cambridge suite, if slightly more modern. When queried, the Palace would only say that the suite was "a private gift". I wonder if the gift came from one of the same "allies" that gave Diana the magnificent suite of sapphires as a wedding gift. Or whether the suite was "a private gift" from HM, like Fergie's wedding tiara and her (ncredibly ugly) ruby and diamond set.

So if Kate wants to rub it in, she has the means to hand.

But Kate won't rub it in, and that's why she'll be Queen.

Oh, god, please!

But I suspect R268 is right. She won't, because it would be beneath her.

My question is, why go after Meghan right now? They've let her get away with murder for months. Why start pushing back now? I wonder what has been going on behind the scenes lately to cause this.

It actually is in quick succession when you consider her cunt move at Eugenie's wedding and then the nonstop atrocious behavior on the tour Down Under--the timing seems about right as HazBean are getting ready to make their next set of appearances.

She has clearly crossed a line. We can only imagine. What joy to flit among the royal households as they peruse newspapers over breakfast this weekend.

R270, I like R222's theory that it was the pregnancy stunt at Eugenie's wedding that pushed the family to their breaking point, but that they timed their response carefully.

I also suspect that R262 is right about the Greville: that Meghan only learned of it when she found out that Eugenie was planning to wear it.

How does Harry get out of this mess? His family and friends quite justifiably shun his new and preggo bride.

He did use to look happy with William and Catherine. It is sad.

There is something up with him, drugs and possibly more. That stunt of knocking the heads of the young boys together was mean and he seemed oblivious to their pain and upset.

Although I do LOVE the thought of her asking for the Vladimir. Can you imagine?!

It seems she has been working PR hard, it is all over the internet, multiple items a day extolling what a wonder she is. That needed to be pushed back against.

It seems clear now that her treatment of staff played a role in separating the households so soon, while Harry was not even in the country. Now her PA has quit.

Harry seems as though he will act out, become depressed or distance himself from his family in response. I do hope she is knocked up and not using a surrogate with her eggs, or she will not have any leverage at all.

The tiara story is all over the UK press, not travelling widely yet.

Yeah, it’s not a good look that her PA quits right after a story is released that she and Kate got into an arguement over Meghan’s treatment of staff. I’m curious to see what their next PR move is

If the Queen selects which tiaras she wishes to offer to an incoming Royal Bride, as has been mentioned, then obviously the emerald tiara that Sparkle wanted would not have been among those selected by the Queen to offer.

If so, that means that Sparkle had been checking out all the Royal Family tiaras before she was presented with the Queen's selection. (Easy enough to do as there are sites online that discuss all the RF jewelry, complete with photographs.)

The story mentions Sparkle's nasty behavior to staff on the matter. I took that to mean staff from Buckingham Palace, not Kensington Palace staff. It would have been the Buckingham Palace staff who would have told her that she would not be wearing the emerald tiara. The KP staff would not be involved in discussions about the Queen's tiaras.

If she was screaming at Buckingham Palace staff, I would expect that that kind of behavior would have been personally abhorrent to the Queen.

P.S. I love the idea of Andrew leaking the story. He would have relished a bit of payback for Sparkle's behavior at Eugenie's wedding.

[quote]Harry seems as though he will act out, become depressed or distance himself from his family in response.

If it is all starting to come apart - and these two Einsteins seem ill equipped to manage the reality of what they're stuck in - it's going to be fascinating. That was a great observation upthread: her instinct is to move on and she's trapped. He plainly married the fantasy he wanted to marry. They're fucked.

Yes, R266, the palace representative's glowing statement about the aide was striking, under the circumstances.

I agree that it's looking more and more like the separation of households was due not just to H&M's selfish, sloppy conduct on tour, but also (or even primarily?) to M's abuse of staff.

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I'm not sure, but wasn't there a story back some time ago about certain staff being transferred to the Harry & Sparkle beat?

So, do they transfer staff among the various Royal residences?

Was the woman who just quit previously employed by some other Royal? Or was she hired from outside to work for the Sussex duo?

It's reading across the DM like a co-ordinated campaign. Tails of tiaras, of unpleasant exchanges, of departing aides and yes now Fergie sitting atop the heap. World class gossip emanating from those palace 'sources'.

Make of this what you will... from the everybody loves Fergiefest...

"...and because there was no veil it was a very strong statement.

‘We rang St George’s Chapel to make sure there wasn’t a special rule specifying veils must be worn, but there wasn’t and Eugenie just wanted to be herself.

‘The tiara (borrowed from granny) danced to her."

I'm beginning to think our Sparkle is not just a narcissist, but an abusive one. Look what she did to her father - she didn't ghost him over the wedding, she ghosted him the moment she began dating a Windsor. Harry has never met his father in law.

One of the signs of emotional abuse in a relationship is one partner acting to isolate the other from family and friends. The strategy is rooted partly in possessiveness, partly in insecurity, partly to demonstrate dominance, and partly to ensure that the partner has no one left to turn to but the narcissist,

The similarities between Meghan and Diana continue to mount. Like Diana, Meghan played her charm cards well before the wedding. After the wedding, Meghan, like Diana, no longer feeling she has to exercise control over her natural inclinations, starts showing her true nature. Within a couple of months, the Wales marriage was falling apart - and Diana, too, fell pregnant right away. It is just six months since the Sussex marriage, and the TIP rumours are already hitting the airwaves.

The accounts of Diana's appalling behaviour at Balmoral, her rudeness to the Queen and dinner guests, her clawing possessiveness toward Charles, demanding his attention 24 hours of the day, are truly shocking to read when contrasted with the increasingly publicly adored young Princess of Wales and the tinsely upkeep of the "fairytale" by the media. And here we are, hearing how Meghan thought she could browbeat the Queen into giving her the tiara she wanted, and insulting the Queen's granddaughter at her own wedding.

There were exodus's from Charles's staff, too, in the first six months of his marriage.

The difference is, as keeps being pointed out, that Harry isn't the Prince of Wales or the Heir Apparent. He's Prince Andrew in 20 years or less. Diana had two things in her column that kept the axe from falling for years: she was a Spencer, whose family had long ties to the BRF, and she was Princess of Wales and mother of a future King.

Meghan isn't in that position, although clearly in her own mind she thinks she is. She's actually well down the food chain.

The golden light she's throwing on Kate (who looked stunning last night in a teal lace gown by Jenny Packham) should be a signal to Meghan that her strategy is failing.

I imagine Kate and Pippa and Carole are enjoying this enormously.

[quote]I imagine Kate and Pippa and Carole are enjoying this enormously.

Well, you gotta make the best of a bad situation.

Sorry, R283, I'm not getting this reference...

[quote] now Fergie sitting atop the heap

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Oh, my! That is very unexpected.

R287 - I meant sitting on top of the pile of anti-Meghan reports i.e. running as the main story, above the other royal edits in the DM. She's in a good place. Loved the 'granny' reference in the story, highlighted by r284. It's all about blood connections and the door seems to be closing on the outsider.

But the article says it is a normal working day and they will be back in London in the evening.

Is it necessary for them to be there during the day?

I admit to not knowing the whole schedule of events for Charles' 70th.

I have visions of Nutmeg not exactly having screaming matches with staff over a tiara but rather highhandedly arguing to get her way in fluent "can I speak to your manager" frau-lect. Halfwit though, I could totally see pitching a fit.

The fact that the assistant QUIT and that the palace allowed someone to speak glowingly of this woman and saying how much they'll be missed is a pretty big indication from Buck House that MEGHAN is the problem here. Coming on the heels of the story on how she and Kate clashed over how Meghan treats their staff, and how "difficult: Smeg is, her right hand woman ups and quits. It's pretty obvious that the woman had enough of being treated shabbily. The palace wouldn't have allowed such wonderful things to be said about "Melissa" if she wasn't someone they valued and are going to miss.

It's a pretty big hint to Meghan to stop treating people like crap because the royals seem to have finally hit their breaking point with her.

R228 Don’t make stuff up. The Greville Tiara has not been worn in public by any member of the BRF since it was bequeathed to Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother by Maggie Greville in 1942. 74 years ago.

As if Fergie would ever have been let near it!

Apologies - right benefactress, wrong tiara. Now with correct link.

But check out the honeycomb tiara which Camilla scored - now that’s a tiara!

Agree that the old broad looks fabulous in the honeycomb tiara!

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Lol, infamous Jennifer alias LadySassington has been pushed out of twitter.

Bullying people is wrong BUT this bitch had it coming. She pretends to be a strong bad ass feminist, setting people on fire every day but can't take the heat herself.

Bitch is talking shit about people but can't face her own tweets?

Duh, be anonymous like us.

It seems likely that this came down from Meghan. Harry stayed friends with Chelsy since he broke up with her in 2014, but according to this article, he told he that after his marriage, their friendship had to end. That has MM's modus operandi written all over it.

She controls him.

It's not the usual post-wedding cleaning, it goes deeper.

Chelsey David is not that beautiful like every one says . There are some homely types of women he hangs out with and had so-called affaires with .

William should have keep the beard IMO. He looks less boring with it.

I like William and Kate better than Harry . Harry is spoiled rotten and still hides behind the death of his mother Diana . Well there are million of people who’s mother died when their young and they grew up to be adults .

Chelsy Davy isn’t a raving beauty but she’s pretty in a girl next door way, she’s African - a big thing with Harry - and she’s the kind of independent, outdoorsy riding-sailing-shooting girl that appeals to him. How the fuck he ended up with a vain, shallow stage 4 clinger is beyond me. She’s so against type in every way.

Maybe decades from now, when Harry is languishing in irrelevancy like Andrew is now, he and Chelsy will get back together.

She's such an asshole.

I love my assistant r306 !

At the rate things are deteriorating I'm wondering if we should do a poll on how long this unholy union is going to last. At the start of this disaster in the making, I gave it about 5 years. My answer today would be much, much lower.

The problem with the aristo girls is that they didn’t NEED Harry. If I had to guess, Meghan snagged Harry with a damsel-in-distress schtick.

Margaret Atwood explains this type of manipulative femme fatale in “The Robber Bride”. Trigger a man’s protective instinct (and be grateful to him!)?and you’re all set. Straight men love that shit.

R243 Beloved Flower, the knickers were a delightful touch, and I'm not just saying that because you gave me a raise.

My poor state is literally going up in flames, in some ways similar to a certain ill advised marriage. The many witty, informative, and deliciously bitchy remarks in Dangling Tendrils and so many other threads on the DL are keeping up my spirits and sanity (because of course it's all about me) and I am truly grateful for the refuge.

I know, MARY!

Surely the daily drumbeat of pro-MeAgain stories will be dialed back, esp with their focus on horrible Kate and how Charles loves Dim and Nutmeg BEST? The PR volume has been extreme. What will she do now? Narcs do not like to be humiliated.

Guess the latest round of stories explains the faces at the ceremony.

R305 That would actually be a happy ending, I always felt that Chelsey was the ONE.

I always thought it was Adam, R312.

Chelsy had better options. She had a law degree and a job at a top firm. Harry could barely get through school and didn't go to university. She didn't need the wealth; her father was wealthy enough, and the royal job that Harry brought was unappealing, especially, as she said, the scrutiny (and criticism) would be relentless.

Meghan will meet someone who dangles a wealthy, leisured life in front of her and she won't be able to resist. Maybe a Hollywood type with loads of money and power, so she could be a powerhouse too. I can see her wanting to produce films. But she better hurry up.....tempus fugit and all that.

There’s another possible explanation for Tiaragate: The Greville tiara was one of the ones Meghan was offered, she accepted it, and then Eugenie swooped in and snatched it for her own wedding. Hence, Meghan's meltdown over losing the tiara and her pregnancy-coat revenge at Eugenie’s wedding.

Why would Eugenie do this? First, anger at having to delay her own wedding. Also, to remind Meghan of her place in the pecking order.

The British aristocracy in general and the Royal Family in particular has complicated and esoteric ways of hazing new members. The tests often revolve around titles/names, jewels, and picky forms of etiquette. Remember the brou-ha-ha over Prince Philip not being allowed to give his children his last name? The time it took for them to even MAKE him a prince of the United Kingdom? Remember how Fergie was given a new wedding tiara instead of a historically important one? More recently, there was the crap with the curtsying rules that cropped up around the time of William and Kate’s wedding: Technically, Kate now has to curtsy to Beatrice and Eugenie unless her husband is present. By all accounts, Bea and Eug don’t insist that she actually curtsy, but Kate knows she SHOULD, and Bea and Eug know that she knows.

The Greville tiara business could have been the Queen’s way of placating Eugenie for the loss of her wedding date, and also a reminder to Meghan of her fragile new status AND a test of whether Meghan understands the Way Things Work in the Royal Family, just as the curtsy rule change was a similar lesson/test for Kate.

Kate, however, had a decade of experience dealing with Royal bullshit, and also had her mother, self-made millionaire and social mountaineer Carole Middleton to advise her. She probably had Mama wisely telling her, “Suck it up, Buttercup, one day you’ll be Queen and they’ll curtsy to you.” Hence, no tantrums and no petty revenge from Kate. And now, after years of enduring similar slights, smiling during boring events, and—most importantly—birthing three dynastically important and photogenic children—she’s finally getting the Good Jewels: The Lover’s Knot tiara, Queen Alexandra’s wedding necklace, etc. (Similarly, Sophie Wessex, after years of wearing that hideous patched-up thing they loaned her as a wedding tiara, was either loaned or given a gorgeous aquamarine one. No doubt, it was a ‘well done’ for her good work as a minor working royal and the birth of her two children.)

Meghan would have had no one to advise her about the tiara switch. Doria, even if asked, wouldn’t know anything about the way the British aristocracy’s hazing rituals work. Meghan, coming from a Hollywood and American perspective, might have thought that since she’s marrying Prince Harry, SHE is more important than Eugenie and should get first choice of tiara: After all, they moved Eugenie’s wedding date to accommodate her (they didn’t: They moved it to accommodate Harry, and that’s an important distinction).

What Meghan should have done is smile, accept the other tiara, and NOT wear a maternity coat to Eugenie’s freaking wedding. This would have signaled acceptance of her place and understanding of the rules. Instead, she acted out, and now she’s being made to pay for it in the press.

It will be interesting to see if she’s a quick-enough learner to turn the ship around before she truly crashes on the rocks of social oblivion. The baby will help, but all the babies in the world won’t save her unless she learns how to behave.

If she can't figure out how there's a tag hanging from her hem the rules of the Royal Family are probably beyond her skill set.

That's an interesting theory r315. My only thought is, Eugenie's wedding was in the planning stages earlier, hence the need to move her date. So maybe she'd already selected a tiara? But what you say is possible, I just don't know if the Queen would get in the middle of something like that, the hazing I mean.

You're right, the Queen probably wouldn't. But the Buckingham Palace courtiers totally would, and once Meghan had her meltdown and Harry went around yelling "Meghan gets what Meghan wants," the Queen had to step in.

What a delicious tempest-in-a-teacup this whole Greville tiara business is!

I don't really see Eug acting like that.

If Eug chose it first it would not be proposed to Megsy, same if Megsy chose it first it's off limit even for Eug.

Now, I can see Megsy wanting it after Eug chose it and thinking it's ok to get it as her wedding comes before Eug's.

What happened with the scheduling of the weddings? Which couple announced their engagement first? How do we know Eug's wedding was bumped for Harry? And why would the Queen do such a thing? You would think that since Harry's wedding will be considered a bigger affair because of his status, the Queen would let Eug go first so she wouldn't feel as if she's competing with there cousin. Also, Eug and her fiancee had been together for years at that point. Maybe the queen used age as the deciding factor.

Perhaps the decision was made to complement the Australian tour schedule. Maybe it's cheaper to travel to Australia in November and wouldn't make sense to have Harry and his bride go to Australia just a few days after they were married.

Whether Eugenie or Meghan chose the Greville first, the fact that Meghan didn't immediately and graciously step back and accept a different tiara shows that she really doesn't get how the Royal Family does things.

However, I can see Eugenie--or her parents--being petty enough to take Meghan's wedding tiara. The curtsy rule change came directly from Andrew's whining to the Queen about 'blood princesses' having to curtsy to a commoner. The Yorks are very touchy about matters of status, especially as their status continues to ebb.

This Vanity Fair article states that Eugenie had to wait to announce her engagement and have her wedding because of Royal etiquette, once Harry decided he wanted to get married:

[quote]“It’s my understanding that Eugenie and Jack decided some time ago that they wanted to get married, and there was some talk about a wedding in 2017, but they had to wait for Harry to go first,” according to the source. “The feeling among the Yorks is that she deserves her moment in the spotlight and a big royal wedding with all the frills.” Reports suggested in August 2016 that Eugenie and Brooksbank had planned to get engaged by the end of that year, but there was no announcement. At the time, Harry was dating Meghan Markle, and by the spring of 2017, there was talk of a royal engagement. With Harry being sixth in line to the throne, royal protocol meant that when he did announce his engagement, in November, it took precedence over his cousin's possible wedding plans.

The article goes on to state that there were absolutely NO hard feelings over the change, but I have a hard time believing that.

[quote]The article goes on to state that there were absolutely NO hard feelings over the change, but I have a hard time believing that.

I can imagine some annoyance but they live their entire lives minding their place in the scheme of things...it's as natural as the sun coming up. If there's one thing they know, it's pecking order. I can see Andrew minding, but he's an arrogant jerk. From all accounts. Eugenie isn't, Beatrice isn't and Fergie is just happy to be included, fed and have some place nice to sleep.

If Eugenie had to wait a whole year to have her wedding because of Harry and Meghan, and THEN was upstaged by Meghan's maternity coat at the ceremony, I can see Andrew or Fergie hitting back via the Daily Mail. Whatever happened with the emerald tiara, the Yorks clearly have it in for Meghan.

It must be very annoying, when your understanding of precedence and pecking order is as natural as breathing, to have to deal with someone like Meghan who doesn't get it and won't get it. If she wants to make the marriage work, she's going to have to learn fast.

R325 - Au contraire: she "gets it" re precedence and protocol: she is rejecting it, which is worse. In which, again, she is repeating Diana's pattern. Diana had had quite enough contact with the hierarchical world of the aristocracy and monarchy and she certainly did not give any indication that she didn't "get it" when up at Balmoral in August 1980. But in August 1981, after the wedding, she suddenly seemed not to "get it" at all.

Harry has run right home to Mum - only now he's not Mum son, he's her husband. He was only 12 when he lost his beautiful mother. It is likely he has haloed her with memory. He will find out before he's much older than being married to Diana's doppelganger isn't quite the same as being the actual Diana's darling little boy.

As I believe someone said upthread, Meghan is rejecting practice and protocol as Diana did, without Diana's natural protections: the Spencer name, the title of Princess of Wales, and the status of being mother of the heir and the spare. All Meghan has is dimwit Harry's devotion and a child who will probably not be an HRH. In terms of what she is and what she'll get, she's right there with Sarah Ferguson. If she doesn't learn from Fergie's downfall, she's an idiot.

R307 - If you want to take a poll, I would factor in the citizenship issue. It will take Sparkle about six years just to be able to apply. I don't know what sort of visa she has, but one reason she probably doesn't head back to America to see her Mum that often is the visa. There are also tax considerations whilst she remains solely an American citizen re any income or expensive gifts. If she maintains dual citizenship, she also maintains dual tax obligations. Harry isn't HM or heir to the Duchy of Cornwall, which is exempt from corporate taxation. Charles pays only "voluntary" taxes on his revenues from the Duchy.

So there are complex tax and legal issues in a divorce, should one become inevitable.

My guess is that Sparkle won't leave unless by main force until she has UK citizenship. She can, of course, maintain dual citizenship, but that rings dual tax issues, and without UK citizenship, any issues of custody and visitation about any children gets complicated. And, by then, she is far more likely to be rooted in Europe than America. She'll be well past her sell date for any sort of fame than what she's got as Duchess of Sussex. The settlement she gets would probably also be conditional on her not leaving with Harry's kids, even for visits to their grandmother in L.A., without permission.

So my guess is that we're looking at at least six years. She needs that UK citizenship almost as much as she needs this baby.

[quote]In terms of what she is and what she'll get, she's right there with Sarah Ferguson.

Less than that. Fergie retained the goodwill of the Queen and a personal desire to remain part of the scene, however distanced. Meagain uses and discards so doesn't have the staying power.

R329 - Fergie was also by then the mother of two little girls of whom the Queen was very fond. And, she was English, with some roots in the aristocracy. And Andrew made it clear he still loved her; and besides, it was clear it was a real love match at the beginning. And the Wales marriage was also over. The Queen had probably had enough of family rancour.

Sparkle, on the other hand, is an outsider; unlike Fergie, has alienated the family from the start; has already sown division in the family; and was too obviously a grifter on the make. The family may have thrown Harry to the wolves in letting him marry her, but I doubt they'll entirely abandon him if it becomes clear that his sanity depends on splitting from her.

Give it time.

Statistically the odds don't favour the thing anyway. They're both children of divorce.

R322 - Eugenie might have been perfectly accepting of the delay of her own wedding given her understanding of how these things work in the royal circle. But to have the spiteful bitch try to seize some of the limelight at Eugenie's wedding - I doubt very much there were no hard feelings about that. That was Sparkle going for overreach for a bit of short-term attention, assuming there would be no long-term consequences.

It will be interesting seeing how the BRF struggle to paper this over.

[quote]The family may have thrown Harry to the wolves in letting him marry her, but I doubt they'll entirely abandon him if it becomes clear that his sanity depends on splitting from her.

The Windsors look after their own. They've stood by Air Miles Andy and Useless Edward, just like back in the day they dealt with George VI's surviving younger brothers, who were a junkie and a dullard, respectively. They even protected the Nazi-loving Duke of Windsor as much as he could be protected, while regularly throwing his wife to the wolves.

If the Sussex marriage breaks down, Harry will be looked after. Meanwhile, they'll kick Meghan's ass back to LA so fast it will make your head spin. And keep her kids, too.

R315 - It's an interesting theory but only a theory. The York girls seem fairly mellow. And Eugenie stated that the moment her engagement was announced, she already knew the designer and the design. So she had a great deal in hand already, probably including the Greville tiara. By the time Meghan came around for her tiara, the Greville was earmarked for Eugenie.

It was also a more substantial tiara than the bandeau - with that huge emerald in the center, HM may just have decided it was a bit more than Meghan quite merited. Much larger than the one Kate wore, as well - it's not beyond possible that it was HM who thought Meghan was aiming a bit too high already.

But either way, the last thing Meghan should have done was retaliate with spite rather than grace. She made it too plain what sort of player she was. The royals don't have to put up with that. And however much of a bellend Andrew is, he's still HM's son, and he's not without contacts and resources of his own.

Agreed, R334. It is just a theory--I just like having fun with the various possibilities.

It's also possible that the emerald tiara that Meghan wanted was an entirely different tiara than the Greville or the Vladimir: They have at least one other, Queen Victoria's emerald tiara (shown below), and there are probably others stashed away. After all, nobody remembered the Greville or the diamond bandeau that Meghan did wear until they showed up on the brides' heads.

Maybe Meghan wanted an unknown emerald one, was told 'No, Eugenie is wearing emeralds,' and then pitched a fit. The official excuse was the uncertain provenance of the piece, when really it was to avoid having Meghan upstage a woman who was not only a blood princess, but had already deferred her wedding for a year.

What I don't understand is that apparently the protocol is that the Palace selects several acceptable tiaras for the bride-to-be, and she then chooses one. If this is the case, then how did Meghan come to request a tiara that was off-limits? The only explanation is that she did research the royal collection on her own and then ask for a specific piece, but that seems insanely presumptuous even for her.

R335, that’s my favorite of the emerald tiaras. Wow.

R335 - I agree completely with your last sentence. And that emerald tiara also would have been way over the boundary of magnificence that HM would find acceptable for a social climber marrying the sixth in line, and dwarfing the tiara she knew would be worn by her granddaughter, and the one who married the second in ling for the throne.

Sparkle's problem is that she has gotten by on sheer balls for most of her life. She doesn't understand that she needs to stop now.

Andrew Morton should have waited awhile before leaping to make a few more quid off the royals by writing another panegyric book about MeAgain the American Princess. He should have waited for the juicy proverbial to hit the fan.

R334

R337, yes! And even more so because they’re British. She mistakes civility and graciousness with assent.

I think she sees herself as a plucky heroine whose charm overcomes the frosty fuddy-Duddies.

Correction to my above post: Queen Victoria's emerald tiara is not owned by the Royal Family any longer, but by the Duke of Fife (who is a descendant of Victoria's daughter Louise). Still, it's possible the Windsors have other emerald tiaras, OR, that Meghan did indeed try to snatch the Greville, thus making enemies of the Yorks forever.

[quote]how did Meghan come to request a tiara that was off-limits? The only explanation is that she did research the royal collection on her own and then ask for a specific piece, but that seems insanely presumptuous even for her.

I agree with that entirely. Or the greasy Mulroney dame put the idea in her head.

A subtle but significant line in the story about the tiara war was the Queen's query as to why the veil was necessary for a second marriage. That's a big deal. HM has a deep faith. The second marriage thing wouldn't sit well with her, though she would accept it. Prince Charles got a big thing when he remarried, which was necessary for his standing as heir. As King he already has a bit of an uphill climb, the Queen wouldn't make it harder by totally snubbing his wedding, if not for him, for the monarchy. But she didn't attend the civil ceremony.

Similarly, Princess Anne's remarriage was a straight forward affair, church of Scotland, the bride in a fur hat and suit. No fuss, mission accomplished.

In any event, Meagian overreached on the tiara, presumably through what will always be a deadly combination for her: ego (her own) and ignorance (of how things are done in what is amongst the most traditional family on earth.)

Didn't Charles and Camilla have to make some kind of prayer of atonement at their wedding due to the adultery? That shows you how seriously the Queen takes this sort of thing. The fact that Meghan not only wore a veil, but a GIANT veil, must have seemed incredibly tacky to HM. No wonder she put her foot down about the tiara.

Kate Middleton's wedding veil, by contrast:

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Right but Kate was too up in herself, my veil was to desecrate the karmawealth. I goog'd. This princess shit is easy if you work it. Soho ya later. Well, nobody here obvs.

Harry looking miserable in the rain. Another Remembrance ceremony attended solo. He was at a rugby match. Click for more photos.

For those of you who asked, here is Meghan's college graduation photo with her Mom.

Tendrils dangling in the wind even then.

She looks quite smug as she attended Wimbledon in 2016.

Quite smug indeed.

Yep, she's found her voice.

"I WANT the fucking tiara with the emeralds, dammit".

Nutmeg is more interested in the camera rather than the people she's meeting,

Another pretentious quote from Sparkle. She's a piece of work and it isn't a masterpiece.

Meghan often bought fresh flowers when she lived in Toronto.

She’s in luck, Target do international shipping and she won’t have to hand it back to its owner at the end of the evening.

Harry in r345 looks AWFUL. Kid needs some sleep and a good multivitamin.

That Queen Victoria emerald tiara is stunning.

About the veil. That's the first thing I noticed when she arrived at the wedding. Her gown had a 6 ft (?) train and the veil was ridiculously long. There was no red carpet to prevent snags and it was being clutched by two little boys who had no clue what they were doing. Tulle is lightweight, it just floats everywhere and is impossible to lay flat. Now if your wedding gown has an equally long train, the veil can rest on top of that and it slides down the aisle quite manageably. Back in the 1920s, flappers were getting married in shorter (mid-calf) gowns with long trailing veils but it's not generally the style.

R355 - he isn't a KID anymore.

R349 and that was the same day she was asked to show her pass. And the same day she maneuvered into the box with Anna Wintour. Which happened first?

R357, he’s not exactly a MAN, though. He’s a man-boy!

Given that this was a wedding of seconds: Her second wedding to a second son, Meghan would have been well-advised to tone everything down a notch. Sophie and Edward's wedding would have been a good model for her to follow, but alas.

R354 Why bother with target when her sister in law and neighbour is THE party pieces heiress! I'm sure Kate can hook her up with the latest tacky princess collection.

Looking forward to the Renewal of Vows ceremony on Instagram in five? ten? years time.

Imagine how long her veil will be for that, R362!

And Mama is definitely snagging the Vladimir that time.

What's so amusing about the Wimbledon photos is that she was seated in no fewer than three locations the same day. She was wearing the same black dress and holding the brown purse in the photos. Four locations if you count the two different seats she occupied in the Williams family box where Anna Wintour was also sitting. And she was supposed to be in the Ralph Lauren delegation which she apparently ditched to find a more prominent or better location to plant her grasping, social climbing ass.

So if the Queen did offer her a selection of tiaras to choose from (whether or not the kokoshnik was among them), why did Meghan pick the QM's bandeau? I would imagine there were flashier tiaras at her disposal, with bigger diamonds, etc. and she definitely would have loved something big and flashy. So why the understated bandeau, as lovely as it is?

I think she was going for a medevial, storybook look. I can see the similarities between the QM bandeau and the Greville Tiara

My theory is because it resembled the Greville emerald tiara: Both Art Deco bandeau with big central stones.

The Greville is certainly the more striking of the two, and it would have looked nice with Meghan's rather plain dress. I can see why she wanted it.

Since Eugenie didn't wear a veil, I think the emerald tiara added a little pizzaz.

It's the big emerald, of course.

That's why Sparkle would have wanted it.

Please.

The one she wore was lovely.

But it didn't have that rock-em, sock-em big central emerald. Nor did it have the smaller emeralds, either.

As for which tiaras the Queen offered, more than likely the Queen chose more modest tiaras, more fitting to a bride and certainly more fitting to the position of this bride. The queen would definitely not choose flashier tiaras with bigger diamonds.

Eugenie looked lovely in her mediëval dress and beautiful tiara !

It's also possible that Meghan wanted to make emeralds her 'thing,' the way Kate has made blue--and sapphires--her thing due to having Diana's ring.

Losing the Greville tiara prevented that.

Oh my dears, I am swanning around Paris today, and made sure to pick up the DM with the cover banner "Fergie: Truth about my life with Andrew." They have a nice closeup of her smiling face atop a snakeskin print tucked silk blouse under a blazer with a red poppy brooch, sitting, with the tops of her shapely pins front and center.

The inside 3 page spread is only positive, pointing out Fergie's total rehabilitation in the RF, and features her glowing loving quotes about HM, Phil, Cammie, Ed, and bff Diana. Honestly, she sounds lovely, willing to admit her mistakes, and seems like a good sport. She emphasized her children's charities, loves kids, and has written 23 children's books, and talked at length about her experience and joy at E's wedding. What was missing in the article you might ask? Sparkles. Not one single word about Sparkles in three long pages from this woman who knows the ins and outs of the RF. Or Haz either, for that matter.

So I believe you posters who take this as a jolly York shot across the bow. Very enjoyable, A+. Au revoir for now, dears!

Someone had to do it, R373. The Yorks DO seem likely!

It had to be someone with credibility for The Times to run with it.

I think the story is the RF telling Meghan to shut up and behave. If she doesn't, more stories like this will follow.

From what I read, Prince Andrew is not a nice person.

But, I give him credit for sticking up for his daughters, particularly about Eugenie's wedding. Good for him.

Sparkle's intentional stealing of focus from Eugenie with her pregnancy announcement at the wedding was a nasty, bitchy, mean girl move.

And stupid.

Because while Andrew probably would have never liked Sparkle, with her stunt at Eugenie's wedding, she has made an enemy of Prince Andrew and Fergie.

And I would not want Prince Andrew as an enemy.

And of course, he would be a great conduit of stories from inside the RF. Which I'm sure the RF knows perfectly well. They can now sit back and let Andrew act as their enforcer, of sorts.

Just pass along whatever nasty stories they have, and voila, a nice story at The TImes.

Juicy. Very juicy.

It's true! She's been busted.

Inside the former Toronto home of Meghan - Part One.

And for those insisting she isn't really pregnant, you have to understand that unless she were, Meghan would never have pulled that stunt at the York wedding. She believes, with some basis in reality, that with a baby she can up her bad behaviour game and they'll "never" dare to get rid of her. They might hesitate more right now, but in the longer-term, the child(ren) won't protect her from their slow cold wrath.

That baby is her key to everything, as I have said many times. Those thinking she isn't pregnant are living in Cloud Cuckooland.

Part Two of Meghan's Toronto home.

A baby will give her a little leeway, but not much, especially if it's a girl. They could very well pay her off and kick her out with Lady Moonbeam or whatever the babyis named. Harry could start over in a few years with a younger, fecund English bride who will give him a son and heir.

If it's a wee Earl of Dumbarton, they might put up with her a little longer, but not MUCH longer. Unlike Diana, Meghan's babies aren't important to the succession, and she doesn't have an old family name and title to protect her. Nor does she have Diana's wild popularity.

I'M SORRY DEARS. in the DM Fergie complimented ANDY, not ED. She loves him, and the way the Yorks stick together, all for one forever. They have total communication and are proud and eager to support each other. They, as Meagain would say, are a couple.

R378, the Sugars have lost their saccharine over The Times article..check out the reporter's feed...

She will never shake off temper tantrums. LOL. So busted.

So funny r384. One of the sugars was screeching that MerchAgain wears clothing supporting women (Ralph Lauren? Really?) but nobody will talk about it! Hysterical cunts.

I read a rumor that it was so bad the PA threatened to sue. The nice statement about her may have been part of a settlement. She allegedly received a payment.

People still think they are moving into an apt that literally adjoins the Cambridges? I would guess it is unlikely.

There has been a large and aggressive PR campaign of late sniping at Wills and Catherine and puffing up Dim and Sparkle, particularly their purported closer relationship to Charles. It is clear where that is coming from, one more reason to split offices and social media, but what will the RF do now? Fergie must be over the moon to have a role to play.

I noted the absence of the temper tantrum story over on Celebitchy. I never go there but was curious to see how they were coping.

Apparently by burying their tiaras in the sand.

I’m surprised Lainey covered it

She must be going rogue. She's theorizing Charles is behind all this. If she was on Meagain's (goodwill) payroll, you wouldn't think she'd crap on Meagain's big prize, the next King.

The last couple days make sense of that story that Prince Charles calls her Titanium. Seems that isn't in a good way.

The Windsors have a long memory and rarely make the same mistake twice. If Meghan really is this unstable, I'm surprised they let Harry go through with the wedding. Of course, it might have been difficult to stop him.

However, they're letting the press have at Meghan very early in the marriage: Even before the first baby is born. I suppose they're trying to nip her rebellious ways in the bud, OR get a head-start on the character assassination which necessarily precedes a Royal divorce.

I think her own aggressive PR moves and behavior causing dissension in the family has left them little choice but to act now, R392.

It is abundantly clear why he looked panicked and they looked solemn/sad at the wedding.

Hope Adam is providing solace to his good buddy. He seems one of the few that have not distanced themselves, yet.

Charles was ill suited to cope with Diana, Harry even less so. Was it Wills she was pregnant with when she threw herself down a flight of stairs? Harry got crazy from her and petulant from his father.

What do people make of the Doria/Christmas story in light of all of this? Was is Merching going rogue?

The two Duchesses and their husbands are attending a Remembrance event at Royal Albert Hall this evening.

Tungsten, R391, as in she's unbendable.

R393 I think Sparkle is trying to bounce HM into inviting her mother by putting out that her mother has been invited.

Both women were in black. Nutmeg had a belt on. I believe she's worn this Stella McCartney coat before.

Since people are referring to the Lainey piece, I went and had a look

She's either wearing too much blush or someone bunched her. I think it's the former.

The Queen and her poppy collection.

Yep, Nutmeg has learned from Kate to recycle.

I cannot imagine going to a public event after all this has just come out.

Why isn't Meghan wearing a poppy?

I still think there is a possibility of a surrogate.

Her big bump in OZ, now a fitted dress from the past is no problem?

The Queen looks lovely. I don't mind Sheku because I think his plaudits are well deserved but can this Kingdom choir crawl back under whatever rock they were living under? Is there no other black choir in the world they can employ? Jeez.

R403 - Meghan has something on her lapel but I can't see if it's a poppy (it's not very colorful). It wouldn't surprise me that she's not wearing one.

Harry seems distracted.

Check out the three poppy broach on Kate. The Queen's has four poppies. Does it represent the number of children a mother has?

She must have put it on, begrudgingly, after she got inside, R403. It's tiny, more black than red, and hidden under her hair. You can see it at R399.

The couple is seated - misery loves company.

R407 No because QEII is actually wearing a five poppy brooch.

Wait, maybe the Queen has five poppies on hers (one of the poppies may be folded), it's hard to definitively tell.

Tension is in the air.

Will and Kate.

Harry doesn't look happy at all, whether because of the story or because of the behavior which sparked the story is unclear.

Here's a better view of the nearly invisible poppy.

^^And the Royal Dandruff, I meant to add.

Jesus, what's wrong with her? Given how her name has been dragged lately, she should be wearing a poppy brooch bigger than her head.

I can't see Nutmeg and Dimwit anywhere in this group. Maybe they've been shuttled off to the side away from the main players.

Now that this tiara drama has come to light, I am wondering why the Queen invited MM to join her on her private train, if she witnessed first hand MM's appalling bitchy attitude and temper tantrums. It was publicized as a huge honor at the time.

R415 - that's a pretty pitiful poppy.

Nobody outside the RF knew of Meghan's behavior at the time, R419, and if she hadn't given Meghan a special appearance, it would have been marked on, as Kate had one with the Queen not long after she married William. They might have also thought the situation was salvageable, and some time with the Queen would have a steadying effect on Meghan.

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I think I spot them at the back behind Prince Andrew. Wow, they've been bitch slapped.

They've been placed behind Andrew. Harry is to Bean's left, behind Theresa May.

R423 - the Queen should have made a point of getting out of her chair and drawing the curtains over the Sussex pair to show them who is still BOSS.

Wow. Sophie and Edward have better seats.

Her face says it all. Very subdued.

It's amazing how the RF says so much without saying a word:

"Shape up, or you're sitting in the back for the rest of your natural lives."

That's the face of scheming and plotting revenge. Her internal dialogue is all too obvious.

R422 - It was raining in London.

What kind of revenge can she take? Short of going after HM with a hatpin, she's cooked. She can keep leaking bullshit stories, but then the RF will leak even worse ones. In a war of words, they're gonna win.

I'm sure Sparkle would have loved to be sitting front and center next to the Queen! That would have been quite an upgrade from Anna Wintour at the Wimbledon box! But she got cocky and ruined everything. She's lucky it only got out now. Imagine if the story broke right after the wedding? There would have been no goodwill and no glowing articles about her. The tour down under would have been hilarious!

Oh, this is absolutely delicious:

I don't think I've ever seen Meghan's smile look so forced, and that's saying something. She and Harry both look miserable. I suspect she needed tranquilizers in order to show her face in public after the tiara embarrassment, but they're not appearing to do her much good.

Yes, her poppy is pathetic. Did she pick that little thing, or was it assigned to her?!

She has done her makeup like the L.A. Z-lister that she is. The face is three shades darker than the hands. She looks almost Trumpian.

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You know what would be a nail in the coffin right now? Some delicious bombshell from Papa Markle or one of her ditched friends. She wouldn't dare show her face in public until she goes into labor.

Her makeup is terrible.

[quote]She wouldn't dare show her face in public until she goes into labor.

From your lips to God's ears, R435.

With that make-up, she looks just like the clown she is in real life.

And just look at the far to light concealer below her eyes in R436's pic. Let's face it, she fucking looks like Trump.

I was hoping for something like this, but there's always tomorrow.

She has a retinoblastoma pupil at R436, but that ship would have sailed about 40 years ago.

While Kate has finally laid off the heavy eyeliner, Merching Meg literally chokes her lashes with thick layers of mascara, turning them into spider legs.

I don't think she's embarrassed. Look at her smiling as if nothing is wrong! And at a somber occasion too! God forbid, Phillip dies soon. She'll be grinning like a mad person.

Agree she's not embarassed, narcissists don't suffer from embarassment or shame. Grandiose is their default emotion.

That looks like a nervous smile to me. She knows she's fucked.

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Oh, I disagree, 442. She is humiliated, and livid.

Am I the first person to notice the trashy-trendy diamond bar earrings? She really should go all out next time:

Who is Danny W.?

R446, you're not. But, tbf, what else do you expect from that merching famewhoreing mountaineer?

Did you REALLY expect something CLASSY?

From THIS asshole?!?

R447 Dan Wootton.

He is the one who started all this. That sneaky cunt.

Never seen her looking so black. Comes in handy now and then.

R446, no, you’re not the only one. I noticed. She can’t hide the trashy. Someone said she has good taste. She has “good taste” compared to most of LA. That’s about as far as that compliment can go.

Camilla has a nearly-invisible poppy brooch, too.

My delightfully tantamount subject at R446,

Peeking at my pommePhone (LOL! And they say pretty girls possess not a sense of humour.) as I am wont to do whilst engulfed by My Love's rogues' gallery of a fam, has bestowed within me the merest glimpse of your wondrously crepuscular DIAMONDS and for that I wish you love and light. You have inferred a sense of fulsome rapprochement within the sodden heart of a humble neogamist lapping in this in this soupçon of necrophagia.

Should your self be able to procure for the Queen of Your Heart the DIAMOND ear climbers below, in platinum, I shall wear them upon the world's vast stage, wherein all manner of cameratry shall gaze upon them, credited — via top-secret, tentative, and proven channels — to YOU!

So mote it be,

So are there any pictures of The Mercher clinging and pawing and patting DimWit at the Rememberance or by some miracle were they told to cut that out already?

Why didn't she wear a maternity coat today? It's got to be colder today than it was at the wedding.

Well well well...looks like meghan wasn't thrown out of the garden party by PC and Camilla after all, like some nutters here claimed.

The Charles at 70 documentary shows clips of it. They were shooting bits of his doc so cameras were following him. They kissed,laughed and lots of smiles showing they were getting along fine. At the end harry says they are leaving and they all (harry,meg,charles,camilla) kiss each other goodbye.

No creepy clinging pawing on each other or some camera would have caught it already, not even a hand hold. And, Nutmeg dutifully wore panty hose. Still love the pic of them in the outer reaches barely in the royal box seated BEHIND Prince Andrew, and further toward the back than the Wessexes and Dukes of Gloucester and Kent. All the working royals clearly seated by rank; although Harry really should be the one sitting closer in proximity to the Queen than Sparkle. But well, with these two fuck ups what can you expect? For your pleasure because it simply is too delicious not to attach again...

Lol, this must kill Meghan.

Look where the Sussex are, this is their real place in the Firm.

Given his place in the succession, Harry and his wife should have been seated behind Wills and Kate or behind Charles and Camilla. That they weren't speaks volumes.

Wow, talk about sending a message. That really is Siberia, placement wise. She's got a vague, Xanax "gut it out" expression. Harry, who knows far better what being seated basically next to the fire exit means has an " I am fucked" face.

Yep, R458.

Really starting to wonder about that Christmas invite...

Camilla and Meghan have to improve their poppy game, it's shameful.

Sophie looks lovely, Kate looks good too.

[quote]Harry really should be the one sitting closer in proximity to the Queen than Sparkle.

I wonder if they switched seats. Nobody puts Beany in the corner! Or behind a curtain.

I'm kind of surprised that the seating arrangement didn't set off an [italic]I Love Lucy[/italic] situation with Bean surreptitiously edging her chair closer and closer to middle and then falling through a hole in the floor or bumping Camilla over the balcony's edge.

Naughty HazBean and baby have been put in the corner. Tsk tsk...

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[quote]Harry really should be the one sitting closer in proximity to the Queen than Sparkle.

R456, I, too, wondered why it wasn't Meghan half-hidden behind the red curtain! That would have been perfect. Perhaps Harry is receiving the greater punishment, on the grounds that he, as a royal, ought to know better than to behave the way they've been behaving?

kendalcanada, Canada, 7 minutes ago

I thought her friend introduced her to Harry - now it's Michelle Obama?? This woman likes to change her story...

PebblesPebbles, Edinburgh, United Kingdom, moments ago

Michelle Obama had NOTHING to do with Harry meeting Meghan. Rumour has it that she was pay-for-play...

serena shaw, Swindon, United Kingdom, about a minute ago

I cannot imagine how emotional it must feel to actually be in the Albert Hall. I was watching on a laptop, and still I cried. Everyone looked so deeply and sadly involved in the event, especially with the entrance of the people whose close family had died. (Pity the camera caught MM enigmatically smiling, it was a very jarring note. She was also the only woman in the Albert Hall wearing a sleeveless dress. Perhaps next year her presence would not be necessary.) I thought the evening was, as usual, beautifully produced and very touching. We will remember them.

Or maybe R463 is right, and an indignant Harry switched seats with her to try to help her save face.

I was also curious about the large, empty seating area to Meghan's right. Unless there is some obstacle in that space that we're not able to see from the photos, and which prevented chairs from being placed there, it's even more of a statement that the two were shunted all the way over to the left ― as far from the Queen, William, and Kate as they could possibly get.

THAT MAKEUP. The result is either an old vaudeville trick for the folks in the balcony, or the staff is rrrreally hatin' on Megs.

Where’s her 👸?

And why did she turn 🍊?

I wonder if she’s starting to get the picture now.

Where are your WORDS r472?

Baleful subjects,

One must not leap ruefully to foregone conclusions! When one is as heavily pregnant as I, one micturates verily around the clock. (See below for proof.) I ASKED to be presupposed upon the entry of the....

Wait. Is "loo" the U term? Or is it the shitter? The lav? The bog? The cludgie?

Oh, I remember. The chambre à poudre. I asked to be presupposed upon the entry of the chambre à poudre.

Namaste,

Well, it's complicated but Andrew and Edward are sitting closer to the Queen because they are her sons. At the same time, William is sitting in front because he's the heir after Charles. If the Yorkies were there, they'd be sitting next to Harry as Other Grandchildren.

This new attempt to attach herself to Michelle Obama is transparent and pathetic. Mrs. O is admired and sorely missed here in the U.S.; Meghan is clearly hoping that some of that shine will rub off on her.

HRH Flower, you are knocking it out of the park tonight. In my humdrum daily life, so unlike your own, I am a graduate student, and was in the middle of a very tedious data analysis when I saw your R453. I laughed so hard that someone came to check on me from the other room. If I am able to procure a set of properly crepuscular DIAMOND ear climbers for you with my modest research assistantship funds, I will mail them to England posthaste, that they may soon grace your royal pinnae from lobule to helix.

She needs to give her top lip a break. Look at the lumpiness along the vermilion border and the horizontal creases midway down at the outer corners. She's holding her mouth in a weird position which could possibly make her lip look a little bigger, but the lumps never lie.

For comparison:

I actually laughed out loud when I saw the picture of them seated in Outer Mongolia. Will she take the hint though?

Subject at R479,

[quote]If I am able to procure a set of properly crepuscular DIAMOND ear climbers for you with my modest research assistantship funds

I suggest you act in a mastigophobic haste to procure my DIAMOND climbers, for once your meagre funds vanish — *poof* — so shall I.

Sending love, light, and indigo wishes that your little studies shall help you rapaciously claw your way out of the vespertillian peasantry,

I think she had the very plain wedding dress because she thought she would have the extravagant emerald tiara.....very chic, very Camelot ! Instead she got what looks like a Duggat family wedding ensemble .

Three of the ladies are wearing smaller, less visible poppies.

Sophie, Camilla and Sparkle.

But Sparkle's is the least visible.

Does she understand the significance of the poppy? Does she care at all?

Or is her poppy an expensive piece of jewelry?

I'm not really sure that the Sussex's position in the box is anything but what is their assigned seat.

In fact, it's the same seats they had during that earlier concert (was it for the Queen's birthday?)

The front row is obviously the Queen and the 2 heirs (with their spouses) who will succeed her.

Second row is the Queen's children and their spouses. Also 2 of the Queen's cousins.

Why should the Sussex duo supersede the Queen's children?

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They’re all wearing a poppy that memorializes women in WW1, R486.

Bean had a different one on her coat but it was buried under her hair.

Oops. Not “all.” Camilla is wearing the one above.

R485, in truth, the Greville would have been spectacular with Meghan's ensemble. The juxtaposition of the simple gown and 90-carat emerald would have been unforgettable. No wonder she was so angry when the Queen wouldn't let her wear it.

I wonder, also, if R372 is right, and she hoped to make the emerald her signature stone and color, to compete with Kate's sapphire. Now she's left trying to make dour black her "thing."

If true, there is no excuse for racist threats. That said, it is interesting that they have "suddenly" surfaced after the Tiara Gate and Exiting P.A. stories.

They ARE seated in Outer Mongolia there, and although Andrew and Edward are the Queen's son, Andrew is also seventh in line. Technically, Harry and Meghan should be seated in front of Andrew and Edward.

Kate looks absolutely lovely, and I'm sure after the last couple of days and (again, if true) the knowledge dawning of how many plebs in Britain hate her rather than, as she expected, adoring her as they did Diana, it's eating at Sparkle to be sitting behind the man whom she probably knows leaked those stories, and rows and rows behind the very regal looking Kate, seated in the same row as the Queen.

In her shoes, I'd have worn the biggest poppy I could find. And her makeup looks more suited to Halloween than Remembrance Day.

At least she's wearing British. She had that much sense.

I predict a careful lowering of profile from here onward.

Celebitchy doesn't add new material on Saturdays; Kaiser takes Saturday off. But I don't doubt that tomorrow there will be coverage of MM's first Remembrance Day appearance. Whether Kaiser will venture into Tiara Gate territory remains to be seen.

I'll show Betty and her brats who's boss. I'm gonna, like, lose the baby if they keep upsetting me. That tiara should have been mine. What I want, I get. My sheer stockings will show up water fabulously and literally make it look like my waters have broken early. That'll get me, like, major sympathy! I'll get rushed out of this old hall and won't have to listen to all the boring crap they're saying. Fuck their poppies too, Birks don't do a flower brooch. I'm not wearing nothing I don't get paid for.

Now that we know about TiaraGate, wonder if The Mercher refusing to wear a hat when she accompanied the Queen on the train trip was part of her retaliation amongst other things she's done.

Excellent question, R494.

She clearly is out to goad rather than blend in.

If Megs knew anything about Royal history, an emerald tiara would have been the last thing she'd want. Wallis Simpson's favorite stone was the emerald.

Knowing about tiaragate, I Imagine going through the entire timeline will feel a lot like a second viewing of [italic]The Sixth Sense.[/italic]

R455 - Emphasis on the word "documentary". In other words . . . cameras were rolling.

Enough said.

R456 I love that she's the only one in the royal box with a Stepford wife smile on her face like she's just sure every camera is trained on her.

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Subjects and fans of The X Factour,

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Sword sleep in my hand — Out! Again, srsly? This is My Monarchy, not the Power Rangers.

Lest I succumb you all to fear, I shall be withstanding the "did the Countenance Divine shine forth upon our clouded hills?" part. I do so love that part. It reminds me of me!!

I shall now be retiring to my commodious gestational pit for a long rest. Until next time, blessings to your dear selves. Your lives DO have meaning. Listen not to those multitudinous voices who intone unto you that you are entirely without worth. The divine light within me honours the divine light within you, utterly dim though it may be.

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The staff fleeing is the most interesting shit lately.

As much as the BRF can act like they support each other in public, the staff doesn't lie. If the job is too hard they quit.

I don't remember this kind of exodus for other Royals but perhaps someone can help.

I'd love to see Fergie and Andrew go for Meghan's jugular. Between the two of them they'd be able to do a mean, humiliating takedown of epic proportions, which the ugly, clueless whore so totally deserves.

I think Meghan was xanaxed af last night. She had a weird smile all along.

I'm surprised Fergie hasn't been leaking about MM for the past year to earn some cash. She definitely knows a lot about what is going on behind the scenes.

Perhaps because with Fergie it was never personal before. Now it is.

Nobody wants her to cry fake tears but show some respect Megs.Brits get emotional and show their feelings.They also hug and kiss unlike Americans who are not capable of saying or doing nice things unless they're after something.I never really hated her up until their tour.1 or 2 mistakes is fine,when you're doing 20 mistakes you're just being ugly.Shame on you Meghan.

Fergie will behave because she wants to marry Andrew again.

She won't openly criticize Meghan or Harry.

Even better, R510. I'm sure Andrew and she are capable of some mighty passive aggressive behavior. Meghan is FUCKED.

I wonder if she still has any allies in the RF.

She has Harry and..... No one else.

I don't believe Camilla and Chuck love her that much, they gonna be polite for Harry's sake but that's it.

And once the marriage ends Harry and his child will be protectively folded back into the royal family, while the gates slam shut on Bean.

Agree r513. Upper class Brits excel at the outward presentation of a polite and genial facade. Behind closed doors there will be much talk. Hopefully not to many years and deaths need to pass before we hear the fuller details.

'too many'

I just wonder if Fergie would really throw MM under the bus, unless she could be sure it wouldn't be traced to her. Harry is close to the girls and is great friends with Fergie. He stays with them in Switzerland. This tiaragate is actually a big deal because it involves the queen. And MM is Harry's wife.

This is all so reminiscent of the drip feed of royal leaks produced by the opposing camps around the breakdown of Chas and Di's marriage. Difference now is that one party may lack the required experience and nous to counter effectively.

Harry is close to the girls and is great friends with Fergie.

And then their great "friend" Harry up and marries a mean, rotten bitch of a grifter who shows no evidence of wanting to be "friends" with any of them, and in fact shows every disturbing, petty sign of wanting to upstage the entire family, and now Harry's "friends" can just go fuck themselves.

Kate looks emotional and she's with the Queen and Camilla.

Meghan looks weirdly pissed.

MeAgain looking hefty. Duchess of Cambridge looking lean and faintly sinister.

Zara and Sophie seem like decent and friendly people.Why doesn't she try to be friends with them instead of making enemies with everyone?I don't think they'd judge her for being an actress.William is the president of Bafta.Acting is not an inappropriate profession for the royals.Also they're friends with a lot of celebs in fact too many if you ask me.I don't get this woman,maybe she's just a very bad person.

At least Meghan doesn't smile but she looks a bit disinterested.

Maybe she doesn't like German people.

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In r520's picture she needs a wipe to remove the excess makeup. She is caked and overloaded with it. Where's an assistant when you need one? Oh they all left. Praise be she has the baby weight as counterbalance.

That’s a lot of bronzer. And her face looks odd, here. Eyes are off kilter or something.

And she was on the balcony at some point.

R522, Zara and Sophie can’t “do” anything for her, so she’s not wasting her time cultivating them.

As usual, she’s taking a short-sighted approach to currying favor and influence, and aiming only for the top. In my experience, not everyone who appears wealthy actually is. Not everyone with a grand title is omnipotent. Sometimes it’s the lowly receptionist or nanny who has the real knowledge.

I can’t say she’s a poor social climber, because she bagged herself a prince. But she’s making mistakes that will come back to bite her. Being nasty to staff and ignoring family members who might be allies is a lame strategy.

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So a fitted coat in November but in October she just HAD to wear a maternity coat, I see...

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The Queen, Camilla and Kate were on one balcony, everybody else was on another. I laugh at how the Mail only uses that picture of Meagain where she appears slightly cross eyed.

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She looks like she's had recent fillers or Botox or some such... the face does look kind of numb.

Coat's nice, though, and so's the hat. At least she didn't fail in that department.

I think it's the first time I've see her not smiling at all. Damn, I wish the story broke before the tour.

Meghan was next to the German President's wife.

I don't see how this ends in anything other than divorce - but for one thing... she's closer for forty than thirty.

Every big event she attends will reinforce her place in the scheme of things, which isn't as close the front as she would like. How does her ego cope with that? The media and internet will become increasingly unkind, because she seems unable to learn anything or adapt. She's a bit klutzy and prone to gaffe: the hanging tag, whatever happened to her shoe last night. How does she enjoy this when her personality is prone to showing off but she's stuck in a system that seldom lets her dominate?

The only reason I can see her gritting her teeth is she's no longer young enough that her second act would get her the attention she wants. She could marry a richer man, she could leverage her old life to be try to be a lifestyle guru - but you've got to have something to offer and plainly fashion is beyond her. So why should she have good taste in anything else?

If only she'd been smart enough to enter the royal family, learn the ropes, fit the form - she could have been a real success story, but she's blown it.

The balcony placement isn't a slight or a punishment from the RF's perspective. The sovereign and future queens are together. All others are on separate balconies. That's in line with protocol and ranking. But you just know Megs will be fuming.

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HM isn't quite the spineless old woman everyone thinks she is, is she? That balcony placement is at her orders and no one else's, and the message is absolutely unmistakble: the three on one balcony are the important royal women. The Lesser Royal Women stand somewhere else. I can imagine how Meghan fantasised about moments like these, with the cameras trained on her standing right behind the Queen between Kate and Princess Anne and slightly in front of Princess Alexandra and Sophie Wessex. Instead, she's been shunted off away from the current and next two Queens of Great Britain, standing next to a minor and decidedly unglamourous representative of . . . Germany, our former enemy in two World Wars. Just so Americans are aware, the President of Germany is the Head of State, not the Head of Government - so standing next to the wife of the Head of State, while the Three Queens are set apart on the important balcony, is truly a low spot. (Chancellor Merkel, Germany's real head of government, like our PM and your President, and they all, of course, are at the Big Commemoration in Paris.)

Someone like Meghan would not under any circumstances misunderstand these coded messages. I note that she looks suitably sombre and prim; maybe this will drum into her why black is supposed to be reserved for sombre occasions by royalty. Very nice hat, nice coat and she has noticeably stopped the incessant baby bump cradling.

But she really has to ditch the bronzer, it borders on clown-like.

I think she still has time to turn the ship around: She and Harry haven't been married a year yet. If she pops out a couple of babies and behaves herself, she might be able to salvage the situation. But she's going to have to get it through her head that the old Hollywood tricks, particularly merching and ghosting, aren't going to work. She's also going to have to work hard, smile a lot, and quit trying to self-promote all the time. It's a tall order, but the reward is a lifetime of comfort and a reasonably prominent social position.

She's not humble enough or savvy enough to turn the ship around.

I do not think she is smart enough to do so, R541. Look at how she was dressed and behaved last night. Today, her behavior and clothing were further taken in hand, lest she merch or flash her bra. The wedding really should have been called off. Her face looks so strange, do people get fillers whilst pregnant?

For all the talk about mental health, Harry clearly did not receive proper therapy - he has married his mother and recreated things even more disastrously.

R540, I agree that she could easily get back on course. If she straightened up her act, she could be forgiven. I’m sure the RF would rather have her behaving appropriately.

She probably won’t, though.

If he was going to go to all the bother of marrying his mother, you'd think he'd have snagged someone as physically beautiful as his mother. Oh, wait. He probably tried, and they all told him to sod off. Got it.

Yes, the RF would much rather have a happy, respectable Sussex Duke and Duchess than endure another messy divorce and custody battle. She'd still have to meet their standards rather than expecting them to bend all the rules for her, but the rewards are huge if she could do it. And what else is she going to do? Thirty-seven year old D-list actresses don't have a lot of options.

Cressida Bonas bore a more-than-passing resemblance to Diana.

This woman is the definition of hubris, so don't expect her to all of a sudden just "get it". She's plotting and planning, and the smug smiles prove it.

Further to my post above, it is interesting that the DM placed the article about the nasty stuff found on KP's Instagram account right next to the article about the resignations of three of the Sussexes staff. Savvy as ever, the DM dutifully reports one story whilst ensuring that sympathy for Meghan is diluted by the other story. The "Fleeing Staff" story quotes "a palace aide" as stating that losing one staff within a few months could happen to anyone, but losing three begs questions. Samantha Cohen, a 17 year veteran of royal service assigned to Meghan specifically by the Queen, is one of those departing.

This represents more startling parallels between the Sussex marriage and the first phase of the Wales marriage - for Samantha Cohen read Lady Susan Hussey, who was assigned to Diana after the engagement to help her learn the ropes. Diana paid not the slightest attention to Lady Susan who threw in the towel shortly afterward.

After looking at the photo of Samantha Cohen attending the Sussex wedding, I can well imagine that Sparkle wants to get rid of all these establishment white girls. Look for her staff to suddenly be made up of hip young "people of colour" (as long as the women aren't too attractive).

No one heard of staff fleeing the Cambridge household, have they?

I doubt Fergie has that much inside knowledge unless it has been passed to her by Andrew. And she probably knows well enough by now to keep her nose clean, and leave it to Andrew, whose capacity for spiteful anger Meghan should never have underestimated - especially as it parallels her own.

R536, your comment brings me to another point that might not be my own projection as a woman.

I think she sees herself as Maggie from “Cat On A Hot Tin Roof”.

Harry should have worked harder to keep Cressida. She really threaded the needle: tall and beautiful, granddaughter of an earl, athletic and interested in fame/exposure, and just the right age (late twenties). The perfect wife for a working royal.

She can't fix it now, because no matter what she does we all know what she's REALLY like and that she's faking it.

Duchess Kate would have HATED it if Harry had married Cressida. Cressida is younger, more beautiful, and far more blue-blooded than Kate. The true rival that Meghan can never, ever be.

R550 - Bonas was really beautiful in that classic English Rose way; in fact, I suspect that Kate was all too delighted to see the departure of Bonas, as Kate herself is something of an arriviste, but one generation ahead of Sparkle, much more in the mold, and smart enough to behave herself properly. Bonas is the real thing, the girl Kate was appearing as, younger and prettier than Kate, and last but not least, the half-sister of one of William's former flames, Lady Isabella Calthorpe.

Harry was extremely foolish to let Bonas go. She would have known how to behave herself and the BRF would have had two very attractive English girls at the head. I'm not at all sure Bonas would have wanted it, and she's been involved for the last couple of years with a gorgeous man. But I don't think Harry gave his relationship with Bonas any real shot.

Perhaps Sparkle was exactly what Harry was looking for. The thing is, though, exactly what we are looking for isn't necessarily what's best for us. That's the quirky lesson of life so few of us ever figure out before it's too late.

R552, Kate doesn't need to concern herself with rivals. She's going to be Queen. She probably would have been much happier to see Harry settled with someone who solved problems for him, rather than created them.

R552 - Our comments crossed path at nearly the same moment - you will see I agree with you on this point.

R553

I don't the basis for all this Kate slagging. Even you accept she met William through some grand scheme - which I would point out went right off the rails at one point until he came back - she's done nothing inappropriate since her marriage. Head down, learned the job, provided the heirs, built a stable family, avoided personal publicity, all while appropriately dressed.

I'd venture into speculation that William is a guarded person with a fair amount of suspicion in him. His relations with the Middletons seem to endure. I don't think there's anything to suggest somebody put something over on him.

Now Harry....

Kate quite possibly isn't going to be Queen for two decades, R554. In the meantime, a gorgeous blonde blue-blooded Duchess of Sussex could have stolen a lot of limelight. Don't kid yourself: That's important to all of them.

You can't steal the limelight on the heir. In any event, there's no evidence Kate Middleton wants the limelight. She does her job. The limelight comes with it. More to the point, she's always got her rank. There's nothing to compete with. I think you kid yourself with regard to publicity. There's plenty of evidence in the Cambridge house that publicity is hated.

R554 - Perhaps. Just the same, the Middletons have worked very hard at climbing the social ladder in Britain (as one courtier merrily put it once, "From the pit to the Palace in three generations!"). For Americans, the "pit" would have been the coal mines; Kate's great-grandfather on her mother's side was a coal miner, something I'm sure Carole Middleton is keen to play down. The media inevitably in its nasty way, would have made the most of the difference.

In a very real way, Meghan Markle was the best thing that ever happened to Kate.

R557 - no one is "slagging" Kate; at least I'm not. But there are certain realities attached to these circles that aren't figments of our imaginaitons.

I don't think Carole Middleton's social ambitions are any secret, and her daughters did extremely well as a result. I think Kate respects where she has landed.

That's the difference between her and Meghan Markle: to the latter, the BRF is just a means to an end. To Kate, the end is wonderful for her, but she completely believes in it, as well.

R553, I agree, and I’ve said before that the aristo candidates didn’t need Harry or want the job. Meghan desperately did, and practically bullied her way into it. I’m sure Harry didn’t know what hit him (and still may not).

Of course Cressida would have been the best possible choice, but as your last sentence says...

If Kate Middleton didn't want the limelight, R558, she wouldn't have spent a decade trailing after William and eating shit from his friends, his family, and the press. She could instead of married any number of rich, handsome, and eligible fellows who could have provided her a life of equal luxury without all the ribbon-cutting.

I'm not saying Kate is some giant attention whore. But she is absolutely aware of and enjoys the status and fame. The demure act is because to be SEEN enjoying the status and fame is considered gauche by the Royals, and Kate is absolutely aware of the rules and values of her adopted family.

She probably doesn't like Meghan, who sounds like a giant pain-in-the-ass. But Cressida Bonas would have been a different kind of pain: a girl who in looks, carriage and breeding bears far too close a resemblance to the late-great Diana, Princess of Wales. Kate will be Queen someday, but there are an awful lot of days in-between now and the coronation, and Cressida could have built up a following similar to Diana's. No Queen-in-waiting, however smart and demure, would like that.

R557 - I'm not so sure about quite two decades. Charles doesn't look well, and there are strong rumours circulating that HM intends in a couple of years to make Charles Prince Regent, virtually King in all but name; Philip is probably circling the drain, as the doctors say, and when one partner in a long close marriage dies, the other often follows soon after. A 100-year-old Queen isn't likely to do the monarchy any favours, and even HM may finally see the handwriting on the wall and step aside so that Charles gets ten years.

My guess is that Kate will be Princess of Wales in five years, and five years after that Charles will be the aging Sovereign and five years after that Charles will step aside for William so as not to do to William what HM did to Charles. So - perhaps 15 years.

R559, well put, all of it. Meghan is a boon to Kate! And she got settled right in and is doing her job impeccably.

As I’ve said before, this job isn’t Meghan’s final resting place. I’m sure intends to use her new position as a hunting ground for a wealthier husband with fewer restrictions. He won’t be a member of the British aristocracy, but these people do rub elbows with crass billionaires. She can nab one of those. Her Onassis, so to speak.

Fifteen years or twenty, my point remains the same, R562. The glamour years are NOW, when Kate is still under 50. A beautiful, younger Duchess of Sussex, descended from English aristocracy to boot, would not have been welcome.

Cressida BONAS an "english rose"? Her name alone should tell you she isn't simply British.

She has recent French ancestry and I believe either spanish or Portuguese and she hardly looks like the average english girl.

Kate doesn't look like the average English girl, either. The average English girl looks like this:

The part at the end where she takes a big gulp in order not to cry.

It’s a moot point now, nobody knows how Bonas would’ve worked out but reality is an almost 40 divorcee (possibly two or three marriages) third rate actress is Harry’s wife. Kate could cunt punt Princess Michael from Selfridges to The Ritz and she’d get three cheers and a round of applause because nothing could be worse than Harry’s grifter.

R565 - I didn't say she looked like the "average" English girl. I said she looks like a classic English Rose. Not every English girl looks like a classic English Rose type. Diana was a classic English Rose type - did she look like an "average" English girl?

Come to it, Kate looks closer to an average English girl than Bonas does.

Most of the aristos and the royals have non-"English" blood. Anyone will tell you that the Windsors are loaded with German blood, and not too far back.

That doesn't mean that Elizabeth and Margaret weren't Real English Roses.

Unless Cressida is nutty, that was not what Harry was looking for.

I still do not rule out him being into guys as well.

Harry was a mess and has not grown out of it. His peers have matured. He has instead married someone who disrupts his family with glee. There is no grand humanitarian there, it was PR and part of her grifting. They deserve each other. As the family puts pressure on him, wonder if he will think of stepping aside? Of course, MeAgain would never allow it. I could see a scenario where Harry self harms, he seems quite unstable. This has gone sideways just as quickly as his parents. She will not learn, as her goal is not to be a valued part of the family, but it is still possible that he might.

R564 - I think my post made it clear I agreed with you on that point. The DM would have maliciously enjoyed making as much a fuss over the "real" English Rose Arista as it does now maliciously elevating Kate compared to the self-entitled grifter from L.A.

When I think of an english rose, I think kate winslet.

Soft, hefty, large boned but not fat, average height, red or brown hair, blue eyes, pale rosey complexion.

When I think of an english rose, I think Annabelle Wallis.

Part 22 of Dangling Tendrils.

Still plenty of thread here. Usually new threads are started after 595 or so. We should fill up this one first.

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Oof, r578. When did 5” of black roots and some “blonde” growing out become acceptable? It looks awful.

That big fr****** black casket bow on her chest doesn't help the dull hairstyle any, r579.

Yes, we are fundamentally in agreement, R571. If Harry had married Cressida, the tabs would have gone to town comparing the blue-blooded Duchess of Sussex with the arriviste Duchess of Cambridge, and made even more hay of the fact that Cressida is the half-sister of William's ex-lover. A different, and perhaps more interesting soap than the one we're getting now, which is really just starting to be a rehash of the Charles and Diana meltdown.

Seriously r576 it's common sense--especially given how fast these move--to have the next thread waiting in the wings, yet fill up the current thread. Did that make you feel good to call out that there was still room in this one? Totally unnecessary, Thank you OP of Dangling Tendrils R577

Sorry, that was meant for r575

[quote]A different, and perhaps more interesting soap than the one we're getting now, which is really just starting to be a rehash of the Charles and Diana meltdown.

With a side-order of Edward VIII/Wallis Simpson for good measure. Is Harry determined to repeat every single mistake his relatives have made in the last century? 1) Divorced, sketchy American wife (Edward/Wallis) 2) Drug/alcohol abuse and sexual incontinence (Margaret/Snowdon) 3) public meltdown of his ill-conceived, rushed marriage (Charles/Diana).

Gossip-wise, he's the gift that keeps on giving.

Sparkles should have married Prince Albert of Monaco. She would have been perfect for the glitz, the billionaires, the parties, Cannes Film Festival and all the yachts and jewels on display.

Charlene, much more demure, accomplished, an athlete, fashionable, beautiful and classy would have better suited the BRF.

Charlene is too classy for Ginger Dimwit.

[quote] something I'm sure Carole Middleton is keen to play down.

Why are you sure of it? Something you think or is there some factual basis for it?

Jesus, you know it alls talk like the first season of Downton Abbey.

Why are you here r588?

SSAA, we agree more than we disagree ... but I'm find the unbearable smugness of the morning a bit much to enjoy. So I'm here because I enjoy it for the most part... but when I don't, I note it. That's the thing about a forum. Problem?

No problem on my part r590, maybe just take leave of the thread until the tone better matches your mood.

Albert of Monaco has several illegitimate children, one of whom is mixed-race because the mother is black. Poster upthread suggesting Sparkle should have gone for Albert may or may not know quite how amusing that post is. Albert is also much, much, MUCH richer than Harry ever was or ever will be. Of course, the Monegasques don't have quite the cachet of the Windsors, and they are only Serene Highnesses, not Royal Highnesses, but Sparkle would have fit in much bettern.

The irony is that despite his apparent taste for same, Albert is probably more bigoted than the Windsors and would never have elevated to First Lady of Monaco a D-list divorced (they are Catholic, remember, in Monaco) biracial trashy actress who would be forever compared to his beautiful blonde A-List actress mother.

Or to use an English term, maybe I'll just fight my corner.

Unless you've been endowed with some special moderation powers which neither Muriel nor the Court Circular have noted.

Let me counter suggest, to use another English phrase, you remember your place, which despite the self description, is no different than that of any other.

Agree, R592. Not many would have MeAgain, except for Harry. And, reportedly, his friend, who paid for it.

R588 - Indeed, and that's why it's about to enter Thread 22. Downton Abbey was a monster hit, remember?

Enjoy it for what it is. News from outside isn't too encouraging, we might as well have fun here.

A journalist whose name I don't remember on a documentary about the monarchy (this must be about 20 years ago), said, "It's all very well for you outside to admire it and enjoy it, but for us it's like being locked in Disneyland." (paraphrasing somewhat as it was so long ago)

R595, I meant the carryings on as if the class distinctions were the same in 2018, but your point is well taken.

[quote]And, reportedly, his friend, who paid for it.

What's this and where was it reported?

BI revealed in CDAN, R597.

They claim Harry's friend paid for sex with MM?

I don't know if I believe the yacht girl story, particularly since it came from CDAN. If the Royal Family knew Meghan used to be a prostitute, there's no way they'd have let her marry in. Not even to a second son.

[quote]Poster upthread suggesting Sparkle should have gone for Albert may or may not know quite how amusing that post is.

Actually, I am very aware of Albert's history. Hoping someone like you would pick up on my post for that reason.

I quite like the idea of the wife swap between Harry and Albert for the reasons listed above and also because Charlene seems dutiful and maybe not that bright. MM gets all the yachty jet set stuff she craved plus her humanitarian urges have an outlet with the Red Cross Ball. She'd still have to contend with Princess Caroline who takes precedence as an HRH so there would be plenty of sniping.

Probably in Sparkles' mind, she envisioned BP like Monaco - lots of dignitaries, jewels, champagne, billionaires, movie stars, wall to wall red carpet everywhere, gowns every night, fancy events (as in the photo below).

Instead, she's got a 92 year old ripping her a new one in newspapers about her "attitude," married a hole-in-his-shoe, nose-wiping, dimwit so far down the royal ladder they don't even have joint PR offices anymore, and she's forced to wear off-the-rack, ill-fitting and poorly suited clothes.

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