Part 16: Dangling Tendrils, Ill-Fitting Gowns, is it Time for a Style Intervention for New Royal Duchess Meghan?

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She has a short torso, so if she wears something fitted, she needs to have it tailored.

I know, because I have the same problem.

And SSAA

[quote]And SSAA

What is that?

“She’s Such An Asshole” R3. I didn’t know what it was either the second or third time I’ve seen it on here this week. Must be the new thing.

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In R561's pic, you can clearly see her tits are padded. LOL

[quote]The finishing touch comes by way of Jane Iredale's bronzing palette, which has been clear to see on the current royal tour.

Doesn't she have a make up artist with her on this tour? Either way inexcusable for her blusher to look troweled on.

Am I imagining it or is her ponytail about four inches longer than her hair when it’s worn down?

Does she know how to correctly shake hands? It looks like she wants her hand to be kissed.

Is Harry trying to scare this little girl?

And it’s not the angle that’s making it look long. Her head is slightly down in this one and the tail is still ridiculously long.

She isn’t one for details, is she?

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The sugars maintain that HazBean's near constant petting and hand holding are merely 'signs of affection' that show how much the newlyweds 'truly love each other'. I'm assuming this is to be in comparison to other royal couples they believe have never loved each other or are so damaged they can't stand being in the same room never mind touching each other. No other married royal couple in history has ever been in love like H & M. They invented the concept!

They maintain it brings them closer to the masses and adds a new level of specialness to their public appearances. It's new and refreshing! Not stuffy or proper like the rest. God help us out here who understand the concept of what 'royal appearance' actually means.

R14 - I am NOT amused.

Back patting.

Coy = Fake

Coy = Fake

Lots of wrinkles.

Merchandising Meg.

Seriously, why is she constantly touching him? that's not simple newlywed behavior. They're on an official national tour, paid for by the UK taxpayers, representing the nation and the Queen. Cool it somewhat in public and as said pay attention to others.

Is it her insecurity or possibly his? I can't tell whose more at fault here. He seems to instigate it.

R6 Pregnant women often wear padded bras for comfort and to cover larger nipples.

R21 MM is just a very affectionate woman. She always has been. You can see it in pictures with her ex-husband and her friends. They are newly married, in love, and expecting. They are about to have a honeymoon baby. This has to be a time of extraordinary bonding.

Princess Diana's greatest legacy is in her loving and respectable sons. They seem to treat their wives very well and embrace fatherhood. I think that it is good to see.

[quote]They are newly married, in love, and expecting....and they're at work.

Do Tongan and Fijian cultures accept PDAs? God forbid they get sent to a country where they are frowned upon. Could they control themselves?

Wrong still sugaring. MM's overtly suggestive half-buttoned coat to Eugenie's wedding and the timing of the HazBean pregnancy announcement was an all-time shit low thing on her part to do. Her pr played it smart to wait just a day or two but clearly it was meant to STEAL the spotlight AND headline Bean on the cover of magazines as they were about to go to press thereby reducing the Brooksbanks to a small caption/subhead. Much like their engagement and wedding, what the ever-loving-hell was the FUCKING hurry? Couldn't wait a week or two, which would have been more appropriate?

But as has been suggested: Charles & Diana did their tour Down Under with babe in tow, William & Kate did theirs with George, you damn well better believe hellbent Megs was not about to let the opportunity bypass for the same adoration and (like the swag grabber she is) chance to receive extra gifts for the baaaabbbyyyy. There is no such thing as too much attention for this cunt.

It's been pointed out several times that children don't connect with MM, but this video of the little boy in Dubbo really illustrates it. He's on Harry like a leech but as soon as he hands MM the flowers he starts backing away until the woman in glasses tells him to hug her. He does, but he has his eyes on Harry the whole time and breaks off the hug to go back to him.

I've been around Down syndrome kids that age and I've never seen one have to be prompted to hug someone; it's quite the opposite.

I still believe that HazBean is Charles and Di the remix. Dimwit married his mother but worse and with none of Diana's good qualities. At least he's not the heir.

R26 Harry has a look that intrigues children. The red hair, the beard, the animated facial expressions all draw children in. He is also better with children at events because he has more experience. She will get there. She is doing really well.

It can't be easy to go from Hollywood red carpet events to having random strangers hugging you and touching you at public events. She has shown tremendous skill at dealing with the public already. The banana bread was a lovely touch.

This is a role and she is doing well in it.

She INITIATES hugs, R28. It has been reported that she was told that it’s not the protocol and she said “I’m American, I hug.” She’s even been hugging and kissing guards at Kensington Palace, so she must be training hard for the higging random people at public events skill! Again, she’s not supposed to be doing that, but she won’t let such technicality stop her!

Methinks the sugar missed the memo where she self-proclaims--unapologetically--that she is a hugger. (I wonder how that goes over with Camilla?)

[quote] This is a role and she is doing well in it.

Well, you're half right.

She does see it as a role. She's not genuine at all.

And since she wasn't a very good actress before, she is not a good actress now.

And a new day has begun...

This woman grew up in Los Angeles, California.

It appears that she has never been to a beach before.

Draggin', draggin', draggin'

Keep them hemlines draggin'

When is she going to meet cancer sufferers and share her wig tips?

And before someone shrieks, "of course it's dragging, she took her heels off and she's walking in sand," it was dragging while she had shoes on, on solid ground.

Disgusting.

She should have worn a shorter dress but nobody wants to see those terrible legs.Even good clothes look bad on her.To be fair there's not much she can do to improve the situation.

She's walking and holding up the hem wth one hand. Hemming a dress isn't difficult.

[quote] Hemming a dress isn't difficult.

Aren't stylists supposed to be able to do this?

Where is the fame whore JM??

Have you checked her twitter feed lately?

I can't believe the level of disdain for this woman. She's not that bad. In fact, she looks genuine when she's interacting with people....royals and regular folk -- maybe a tad overenthusiastic, but she's American, (we're like that). I think Harry and Meghan really do like each other -- I see much more that supports that view in their body language than the opposite. OK, she's not perfect, not a complete saint, but what did you expect? You can be more than one thing at once. It's possible to love the attention, the perks, AND also to be a decent human being. I think she's OK. How are *your* legs?

[quote]She and Harry joined the group on the beach for a mental health session, where the members sat in an 'anti bad vibes' circle and discussed their experiences.

[quote]"Meghan told me that pregnancy was like having jet lag. She said she was up at 4.30am this morning doing yoga in her room as she couldn't sleep. It's a bit of a double whammy for her, she said, as she has both the baby and jet lag to contend with."

Which baby does she mean, the ginger one or the ultra-demanding 2-inch-long one?

The photo of her on the beach "cradling her bump" is beyond calculated.

R27-Yes, he married his mother only worse - and, like his mother, Harry's wife fell pregnant as soon as she could (the Cambridges waited a year). However, Charles' and Diana's marriage began to fall apart on the honeymoon. There were issues even during the period between the engagement and the wedding. Harry isn't his father, and he isn't in the position of a future King of Great Britain being eclipsed by a pretty 20 year old bride.

Of course, no one knew in that first year or so anything about what was happening behind the scenes, and that Charles was already miserable. So, it's possible that either HazBean are better suited to each other no matter what her flaws, or the rot of her narcissism will take longer to set in, or we again don't know what's happening behind closed doors.

It also has to be borne in mind that Charles was pressured into marrying Diana by the public's adoration of her, the increasing urgency for him to marry the right sort of girl, and his father finally telling Charles that he either had to propose or cut her loose before he ruined her life. It was quite obvious Charles wasn't madly in love with her.

Harry too got some press pressure but by through direct press manipulation by MM. The penny should have dropped then, but perhaps he just didn't care enough.

The coat at Yuge's wedding was the paradigm of the depths of her petty narcissism. Obviously, neither Harry nor the BRF have the ability to reign her in, even to insist that she support British fashion.

It will be interesting to see if the parallels increase and how they play out.

I have to wonder what she will pull out her sleeves once her novelty has worn in a few years. Would she be so base as to use her kids as fodder? Would Harry? If he is really as press averse as some would claim because he lays them blame for his mother's death, how would that play to his fame whore wife? Frankly, I suspect they're a matched pair when it comes to craving attention.

R46, that’s what I’ve been saying. She’s played almost all of her cards in the span of a year. Sure, she can pimp out her twins, but that’s not terribly fun for a woman like MM. She doesn’t want vicarious attention. She wants a solo in the SPOTLIGHT.

She's vomit inducing. What a showboating faker. William and Kate can't push these two lumps into the background soon enough.

She's always grabbing and petting him and marking her territory... why not just piss on him and get it over with?

R44 don't worry you'll be up a lot earlier than 4:30 soon , like 10 pm and 12 am and 2 am and 4 am ... Unless you hire someone for the night shift .

Meagain Marking.

It looks like training Dim in the art of jewelry modeling hasn’t been going as smoothly as planned.

While his hand placement ensures that the Oura ring ($299 US) is the focal point, the eye immediately darts over to those distracting bracelets which should have been moved to his left wrist. Maybe the real reason she was up at 4:30 was so that she and Jessica could squeeze in an extra session with him.

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The idea that she's hugging the staff at Kensington Palace is really disturbing to me. For God's sake, those people are employees! How inappropriate!

The self-proclaimed vegan was okay eating wild boar, kangaroo and barramundi, but not finger limes.

[quote]“With the finger limes, they’re like little caviars. When you eat it in your mouth it pops and the flavour is beautiful.

[quote]“It was optional if they wanted to taste it. Harry did but Meghan didn’t. She was smelling it, but that’s understandable because she’s pregnant and being cautious.”

[quote]They dined on an entree of mushroom and quinoa nest and chargrilled kangaroo and main courses of wild boar, saffron risotto and barramundi.

She's not hugging them because she cares, R53. She's hugging them for the optics.

That trench coat is so sloppy and cheap looking. She's no Peter Falk.

Really, where did that ugly black ring on Harry come from? I've never seen him wear anything like that - is it a cultural Aussie thing? Or is he...merching??

Seriously has a born British royal ever been seen to wear something for pr or $?

He is merching, see link above

It’s a sleep tracker.

Whatever it is r59 it's really noticeable on him and distracting. He's being photographed every day 100s of times, he has to know this will be picked up.

Is it at least an Aussie product? that might be ok. The website says the company is Finnish.

I think that is the point, R60, he is merching.

Obviously r54 has never been a pregnant woman. FYI your tastebuds change along with that huge amount of hormones. this thread is filled with Meghan derangement syndrome where her every harmless gesture is turned into something sinister. Worse of all no one says anything even remotely amusing. If you’re going to snark at least make it funny.

It is funny, R62, and true. You don't find it funny because you're an idiot and a pompous sugar.

Harry is needy and she's delivering lots of attention. Unfortunately it's the wrong sort of attention. Obviously she's working on a power- couple "brand", and she's trying to sell everything she wears. They aren't taking any much needed advice regarding etiquette or fashion (tailoring). She has yet to put a complete A list look together on this high profile engagement. Harry looks scruffy and thrown together too.

By the end of next year those two will easily rank as least popular members of the Royal Family, or close to it. They are so cheesy. He's so stupid he can't understand how corrosive her influence is. The fact is she has no understand of the role of monarchy... she just thinks she's starring in a show. Why did he marry that creature? If he wanted her so much he should have renounced and moved to Malibu... idiots are so thick in California neither of them would have stood out. But then I suppose that's her point.

Ah, yes. Only in Sugarland does something as innocuous as a tiny little lime provoke revulsion in a pregnant woman while grilled, bloody-in-the-middle kangaroo goes down without a hitch.

If she ends up giving birth to Adrian Woodhouse 2.0, I may reconsider.

I think I remember Sophie wearing a FitBit bracelet, but I think it was when she was preparing for a charity cross country bike ride or something like that.

I’ve been a bit of a fence sitter re MM - some of the hate for her has been pretty astounding but I’ve also thought that something seemed “off” about them...couldn’t place my finger on it.

Anyway I decided that it was time to see for myself what all the fuss was about so, as I’m not working today, I headed out to Bondi to check them out.

It was a very different event to yesterday’s more formal day in Melbourne. Bondi is pretty much rich hippyville (any other Australians can correct me here - it’s like a mix of Venice Beach and Manhattan Beach in LA).

I have to say that they did a good job. She’s very pretty up close, and yes, the dress was too long - how does that happen? He was his usual laddish self - he’s been here many times and gets the culture. There was a bit of a hippy sharing circle but it was for people dealing with mental health issues - a group of surfers who meet each Friday down at the beach to talk about stuff. Right up her Californian alley and also his as he’s been talking about mental health a lot lately. Lots of bro hugs from Harry.

Anyway, really nice vibe, they did their bit, people seemed impressed, nice pics in the press. Not sure what it achieved - I’m a republican so it didn’t exactly shore up the monarchy did me, but an interesting morning scoping out the couple of the moment.

Here's the next dress:

[quote]yes, the dress was too long - how does that happen?

We haven't quite figured out how why some dresses just look like they were handed to her at the last second, r68. It's a mystery.

Oh, yes, R70!

Who could forget that?

But at the time, who would have guessed that that would become a pattern of behavior?

Maybe she seriously has no interest in fashion (good for her if so) but isn’t that what stylists are for? What’s Jessica plastic face doing here if not to ensure that she’s dressed appropriately?

BTW Jessica’s husband (can’t recall the name) is slated to be interviewed on morning TV here on Monday - I won’t be missing that!

What is all the pawing, stroking and clinging? I guess they think that's what makes their fans drool, but I don't think it does much to win over everybody else. Harry is being Harry - someone on twitter tweeted they were irked because this person had just three more in front of him before getting to shake hands when Harry excused himself to "check on my wife" but said he'd be back. And of course, never returned - just abandoned the line.

I've read analysis - the clinging, lingering, stroking, etc. is insecurity. No it isn't. It's show business. Their press wasn't that great after her stunt at Eugenie's wedding and after the cookbook, so they are just pouring on the PDA. Unfortunately it means all the reporting is about her clothing and the pda, and there is absolutely no redirect or connecting to the charities, causes, organisations they're meant to highlight. The media was even kicked out of that girls thing Meghan had (so they couldn't listen to her - that has been the MO - the media isn't allowed to overhear Meghan). So what was the point? Instead of the royal duo highlighting the places and people they're meeting, the places and people are props for them. They don't even pretend it's anything else. It's amateur and IMO will come back to bite them. It's egocentric and immature.

I tihnk what interests Meghan is being a guru, a huge influencer with access. If she could trade places with anyone in the world I think it would be Goop. She has no actual understanding of food, fashion, or travel, nor of other cultures, but she knows pretending to like this stuff is the currency of an influencer, so she pretends, or rather, steals from those who do. And her humanitarian bullshit is more posing and poseur stuff. She loved to talk about wardrobe when she was on Suits, but it did sound like what she was parroting from the Suits wardrobe team. Her own taste is 100% influenced by Mulroney.The fucking 1990s fedora type hats, the big blazers, the droopy pants. As even Lainey Gossip pointed out, it's stupid because it's editorial. Neither Meghan nor Jessica understand the difference between "Here's my mood board type outfit for an instagram post" and "here's something I'm wearing in real time in a 3 dimensional space." That, I think, is her style problem, because it's Jessica's style problem.

Apparently Harry wanted to marry a celebrity but was turned down by actresses on both sides of the pond. I guess Meghan sold herself to him, but Harry's premise is flawed. Yes, his mother was a celebrity, but didn't start as one. She started as what people perceived to be an ingenue English rose, virginal and wholesome. She became a sensation in real time and finished as a celebrity. Meghan is starting as a shopworn starlet who is already older than Diana was when Diana died. Diana had long since dropped the ingenue act when she was in her mid-thirties. Markle is degrading the currency. I think Markle thought being a duchess would elevate her, but what has happened is she's dragged the entire idea of the monarchy down to her level and exposed it as this non-mysterious, self-aggrandizing junket type lifestyle that's all about the personal, not at all about the public.What Diana had was a personal touch with the PUBLIC. She didn't basically ignore the public while showing off her personal life - at least not this directly. Harry really bit it with this one.Played himself to here and beyond.

P.S. - even if Harry's celebrity theory were valid - and it isn't - he didn't marry a celebrity. He may have thought he did. If she was able to convince TPTB at Soho house that she was up and coming hot stuff with credibility who could help their image, she might have convinced Harry she had a high Q rating. He probably has no context for the Mulroneys, no idea they are a joke in Canada. He's just - high level media job - that's status, check. Son of former prime minister - check. Hang out with wife of current prime minister - check. And these are Meghan's best friends. But again, instead of Meghan's affiliations giving her status, she lowers theirs, and it's the same with Harry. She is not and was not popular actress, was unable to find steady work despite nine years of hustle and grifting, got ONE job that was very small time in terms of screen time and what was asked of her in the script, and since it was so undemanding, it is easy to suspect it was a favor-trade kind of job- somebody owed Trevor something or he called in a favor. Lord knows they hardly paid her. So she simply doesn't have charisma or star power, and I guess she thought that minor charisma or star power in show business would translate as mega starpower among royals, kind of how it sometimes does with politics (which is show business for ugly people). But with her, it didn't.

As a side point, I remember reading that when JFK courted Jacqueline Bouvier, he had no idea she had no money. There was her stepfather's property, and her family had society credentials, but the cash it did not have. It wasn't until they were engaged and en route to the alter that he knew he was going to be paying for everything and she was bringing nothing but her toothbrush, in terms of material assets. I have a feeling Meghan let Harry think she had money, and her lifestyle (backed by Soho) would suggest the same thing, and he found out differently by the time she was walking down the aisle.

Since royals get paid when they do "work" for the crown, I wonder if this entire joke of a tour was the BRF's way of stuffing some cash into the Sussex's pockets. As they are clearly in need.

Even though he had to "check on his wife", he still looks depressed or spaced out or depersonalized/derealized in every pic.

SOHO HOUSE - what is the gossip with that place? I just read a couple of articles on it - a drug den for wealthy people & an orgy place for the wealthy. Wasn't Dangling Tendrils associated with Soho House & being a Yacht Girl?

Late to the party here but something strikes about the Australia trip photos. They present as a rich couple on holiday, enjoying expensive personal guided tours and experiences. It seems to be all about them and their touchy feely interactions with each other as they share private laughs and lingering looks. They in no way resemble publicly funded working royals representing their home nation abroad.

She’s such a hugging asshole.

[quote]Instead of the royal duo highlighting the places and people they're meeting, the places and people are props for them.

With every appearance that passes it looks more and more like a series of contrived reality-tv situations thought up by the producers of Real Housewives of KP.

[quote]This week, Harry and Meghan continue their loved-up Aussie honeymoon with a no-bad-vibes circle on the beach. Things hit a snag when Meghan is asked to eat something that she absolutely can not stomach! Later, Meghan feels she's being worked too hard and surprises everyone with an unannounced rest-day.

They're there for one reason: to raise the profile of the organizations/institutions they visit and to collect a few posies. That's all that's expected of them, yet they're either unable or unwilling to muster even a modicum of feigned interest because they're too focused on hand-holding, back-rubbing, and tendril-wrangling.

The displaced [italic]50 Shades of Grey[italic] frauen love it because it's filling an obvious void in their lives, but the two of them are really just coming across as a manic airhead desperate to be loved but simultaneously resentful of being kept from his three o'clock blowjob and an equally desperate "influencer" producing content for her phantom Instagram and seething under the surface every time someone yells "Harry!" They really do deserve each other.

FB participants, there's a Blog for those who want PH to divorce MM. "Meghan Markle The Charlatan Duchess". Warning, if you in any way defend Markle you will be permanently banned.

[R35] I'm glad that she wore a dragging hemline. Have you seen her feet? She has some painful looking fugly bunions that I don't need to see again.

Why is her scalp so white at the part of her hair

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The arch returned with a vengeance today.

This is the sloppiness (borne of hubris) of someone who grew up never being called out for her bullshit and now expects everyone to be as stupid as her marks have been. Those who don't fall for her acts and fancies are deemed "just jealous." It's clear that that mentality runs through her like a stick of rock and, pushing forty, it's not going anywhere. Ever.

R86 She’s pregnant - that’s how pregnant women look. She’s placing her hands on her belly - that’s what pregnant women do.

You are basing your hatred on one picture - one of thousands taken today.

And before you suggest that I’m some sugaring frau - I’m a gay man who saw her in person this morning. Still not necessarily a fan but I don’t understand the level of misogyny directed at her.

R87, you can see she’s arching her back to make her belly pooch out. It’s not a baby bump.

I never watched her show; was her acting this bad there too?

R87 You're not a fan but you go to see her in person.

Sure Jan...

R89 No I’m not a fan but (as you’ll see in R68 upthread) I was curious to check them out as they were in Sydney today, it’s a warm spring day and I wasn’t working - why not?

And as for the “sure Jan”? For fuck’s sake can’t you American Queen’s come up with something original?

Of course not, you’re American.

R90 I'm not American dumbass.

So your idea of fun is waiting hours with hundreds of teens pissing themselves at the idea to see their QUEEN!!! just to see two useless idiots for few seconds. Everything financed by your taxes.

No doubt you're a real winner.

Not really, R91 - I went for a surf before and after, there weren’t many people there, no teens pissing themselves. I grabbed breakfast after then headed home to my place at another lovely Sydney beach. All in all a pleasant day.

Not sure what’s getting you so fired up! Have a great day in whatever shit hole you live in.

R92 My shit hole is certainly better than yours.

C'mon! Let stay on topic! Aussie guy, I'm not the person who insulted you, but I apologize for that person. I'm grateful for your in-person reporting.

R94 Come on, he had nothing to say.

He saw her, that's all. It's not like he has groundbreaking some news to offer.

R95, He's at least sharing his actual, real-life impressions, and not the lazy ones that most of us have been making, based on the tabloids. One of the things I appreciate about DL is that we sometimes have people reporting 'from the ground'. I can only comment on Meghan from thousands of miles away. A person reporting 'from the ground' can offer a little more depth. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with anything he's said, but his word has more weight than anything I can post.

What a Jew!

Why attack the Aussie guy?He wanted to see them up close so what.Is it really any worse than spending hours on Internet to check out her 500 pics taken every day to make fun of her?You want him to lie and say that she's a complete cunt eventhough that wasn't his impression.You hate her,fine.Insulting anyone who says anything remotely positive about Meghan is NOT cool or ok.But this is D,it's to be expected.

PS Not a "sugar".

"DL"

I like the dress she wore today but it doesn't look goon on her.Nothing will look good on her with that body shape.

I wonder what kind of narcissistic mother she will be - a Kris Jenner-type who pimps her kids or an Angelina Jolie who makes her girls dress in rags so as not to take attention from herself?

Anyway, I hope the royal family sees through her and is playing the long game. I hope they are giving them the wedding, the tours, etc., initially so that she cannot say that they excluded her when the inevitable divorce comes. Attention for them is already waning. Popping out their kid will be their last big hurrah and then they should relatively fade into the background, particularly if they are not given many patronages.

Other royal kids like Mia,Svannah,Isla wear normal kids clothes but poor George always wears shorts and Charlotte wears the same type of dresses.Both kids look very old-fashioned.It's fine,it comes with the territory,I'm not judging Kate&Wills' parenting skills.The sussex kids will have more freedom.

Does the blue dress not fit (again?) or are her hips widening on a daily basis?

Pregnancy and childbirth can do weird things to the shape of a woman's body... weight gain can be impossible to reverse, the proportions of bone structure seem changed. Meagain Marking has in her the bone structure of big fat Pa Markle... wouldn't it be hilarious for someone so vain to be ruined by pregnancy?

Then again if she's so vain how does she always go out looking like an unmade bed?

We're working on a her future look. I think we're sort of back to the future. Sorry if my face moved. I'm really excited by where we're going with this royal meets bod type mash up.

R102 It's a tradition among the upper class, aristocracy and royals to dress young boys in shorts.

Vanity Fair / Harpers Bazaar “It’s a very English thing to dress a young boy in shorts ...trousers are for older boys and men, whereas shorts on younger boys are one of the silent class markers that we have in England. ... A pair of trousers on a young boy is considered quite middle class–quite suburban. And no self-respecting aristo or royal would want to be considered suburban . ...You’ll recall seeing pictures of young Prince William and Prince Harry in shorts similar to the ones George wears."

With her ego, I doubt that Sparkle would want her child to be considered less than aristo now. She'll be competing with Kate the rest of her unnatural days.

Speaking of marking her territory, she's fiddling with Dimwit's ear now.

Fiddling with her hair.

"I'm having a baby. The first woman EVER. Therefore, I'm special".

Who wears a fucking black & white maxi dress which is way too long to the beach? Oh wait.

I'm surprised she didn't trip over it but then Harry was holding her hand.

Another boring navy dress.

Dangling tendrils alert!!!!

Has anyone seen the "You can't give my wife flowers that big" video?Harry thinks that he should be funny at all times.

She has a bandaid on her middle finger. What happened? Was it all of that cooking and baking she's doing?

Merching the baby bump. Nicer bump on Harry.

A similar maxi dress. The woman on the right wears it the way it should be worn.

Group shot.

[R109] It was long to make sure no one was frightened by the look of her feet with those really fugly bunions. People may have vomited on the beach.

Harry climbed Sydney Harbour Bridge.

^^she wasn’t hanging onto him???

R119 - she was probably "resting". She's not the most athletic person.

The photo posted at r69, the navy dress. Either it is a bad photo or she's more pregnant than they said. Or she's carrying wide. Some woman just gain all their pregnancy weight in the front. It's like they are carrying a basketball and from the back you can't even tell. Other women gain weight at the hips and end up looking massive. Tall women are luckier than short women in that respect. That r69 photo looks like she is gaining fast.

The most innocent, natural gesture, like her hand on the baby bump, seems so fake and contrived. I just loathe this phony fool.

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Is that the cast of Love Island Second Chance: Preliminary-Round Casting Rejects at R116?

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R123 - in contrast, Kate's dress here on costs 159 pounds.

^ only costs

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WHAT? I take the trash out every single day and yet I'm STILL not a superficial, rapacious cunt with no fashion sense who stinks of hubris and venison.

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2007 called, they want their Bumpit back.

Hi, it's MEagain.

She never met a camera she didn't love.

Her cheeks are fuller.

Any guesses regarding the looks of their child?

The baby announcement has overshadowed anything (The Invictus Games) or anyone (the people they meet) on this tour.

Can she be more ingenuous than she is in this photo?

In the photos with the longer than her hair ponytail, was she wearing a wig? I suppose it could have been a hair piece but her hairline also looked different.

Sometimes she can look attractive but other times...

Agree, R135.

Does she not own a comb? Even fake hair does not need to look so ratty.

Wedgies? Bitch stole my look.

I think some of the people wondering why Markle arouses such ire are seeing two different groups: one are the people who are reading something into every photo and who are just a couple of steps away from the Cumbercrazies who are still claiming that Cumberbatch's wife is the Spawn of Satan, and another group who 1) recognise all the earmarks of a common garden not terribly talented L.A. D-Lister who used a man to fulfill her dreams of being an A-Lister and whose love of the limelight and narcissism are pretty evident, 2) I think, especially those of us who pay taxes in the UK, feel a certain resentment at her total refusal to support the British fashion industry whilst taking the perks of British royalty. Especially given the fact that as she's found Harry isn't quite rich enough for her tastes, she's engaging in merching agreements using her new position to do so.

I'm quite prepared to admit she isn't Eva Braun or Eva Peron or Mrs Demon Barber of Fleet Street - but that doesn't mean she's nice. She's not. The Vanity Fair cover, the ill-advised threats to the British press, the disgraceful use of someone else's highly public wedding to announce her pregnancy, and the fact that Harry is very clearly dumber than a box of rocks and easily dazzled by shallow glamour - these are quite cause enough for the dislike many of us feel for her.

And then there's the little matter of her ghastly inability to wear clothes well, and wearing inappropriate clothes occasionally - like the Rich Widow at the Reading of the Will number she wore to the RAF's 100th anniversary celebration. She loves attention, and it shows, and it's hardly a stretch to figure that's what she married Harry for. It really is distasteful and she's poor at hiding it.

All that said, isn't Bondi Beach where Mary Donaldson was living when she began dating Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark?

Can some Aussie here explain why Mary keeps getting called a "bogan", a term I understand to mean a working-class slob? Her father is (or was) a mathematics professor, she has a dual university degree in law and business, and worked at quite respectable middle-class jobs till she married, and Bondi Beach was never cheap. So why the term "bogan"? Or have I misunderstood the term?

She really loves media attention. She is truly an attention whore.

I agree with most of what R139 said.Us Brits don't necessarily hate her,call her ugly names(cunt,duchASS etc) or over analyse every pic.We simply criticise her fashion choices(not wearing british brands) and motives and in general we don't give a damn about her.

R139 is spot on - I hate that she’s a d-lister who’s living the spotlight BUT is acting like she doesn’t....i.e. hand on her chest coyness, etc, ad nauseam

^ loving the spotlight....

Yeah, main issue as a brit is the amount of money she is apparently spending on outfits. You would think the BRF would have put a daily limit on purchases. I am really overjoyed to see she has spent more on outfits in four days than I earn in six months. As a UK taxpayer that is really peeing me off. She's not even married to the heir or his heir.

R141 R144 - I note that the DM has up today an article about a low-key engagement by the Cambridges to which Kate wore a £150 high street dress (in which she looks very attractive), while listing the costs the DoS is racking up for her Australian tour. The word is that whilst one branch of the family is engaged in major public events and "outreach", as it were, other branches keep a low profile. Although I note that that alleged custom didn't stop MM from using Yuge's wedding to announce her pregnancy to the world.

MM really is spending a bloody fortune on clothes. It is true that the tour requires a good many changes of clothes, I don't fault MM for having to put together a wardrobe for it, but she might at least keep the costs modest, and incorporate British fashion into it. It is really galling that she refuses to.

It would be quite ironic if she deigns to turn to British designers for maternity clothes (throwing the home side a bone, as it were, at her least glamourous), and then when she gets her alleged "figure" back, returning to de la Renta, Givenchy, Dior, Lauren, Club Monaco, etc.

She looks phoney ! I can’t tell why i’m thinking that ‘ . Even her Wedding with dimwit looks phoney . I don’t trust her and dimwit . Trash that’s what she is . Unfortenately the world is full of woman like her .

The figure is changing. She will be huge by the end! She doesn't have the height or body type of Kate who can "bounce" back quickly from the excess weight.

R118 - Meghan looked like she didn't climb the bridge but she couldn't help herself from enveloping with a huge hug at the bottom.

Aloha from Bondi Beach.

So much affection is really cringe worthy.

Dimwit used to make fun of Will's baldness. Now, the joke's on him!

R148 - my mistake. This woman is the widow of a serviceman who committed suicide. I thought it was Nutmeg. I must of got confused because of the excessive hugging.

She is quite clearly arching her back an d thrusting out her mid-section. My god, one would think she is the only woman ever to have a baby.

The Cambridge sisters do carry well, it must be said. Both didn't really begin exploding until their sixth month - which is not uncommon. And they remained slim-hipped throughout, and never seemed to develop "cankles". Kate could still wear short coats and skirts late in pregnancy to draw the eye from her midsection to her legs.

Who knows, pregnancy might be the only thing that finally gives Sparkle's legs some width - although it might be just her luck to gain it all in the ankles or thighs.

The bitch stole my look again!

"It also has to be borne in mind that Charles was pressured into marrying Diana by the public's adoration of her, the increasing urgency for him to marry the right sort of girl, and his father finally telling Charles that he either had to propose or cut her loose before he ruined her life. It was quite obvious Charles wasn't madly in love with her."

No, not really. The public didn't meet or know Diana until after they were engaged. I don't know when the nursery care see thru skirt photo was taken, but still. She became popular during the engagement, and a sensation after the wedding. Not before. The Camilla thing had sort of wrecked Charles' pursuit of other possibilities, yet Camilla herself was not available. In the earlier days of her marriage she loved her husband but he was a chronic cheat, and at the time of Charles and Diana's marriage Camilla was raising a young family, and of course at the time a divorced mother was an unacceptable bride. I read he asked Amanda Knachbull to marry him (they were friends and she was Mountbatten's grandkid) even though she wasn't really his type, but she said no.

I do think Charles was in love with Camilla and that made him emotionally ambivalent about any other bride. One of the queen's relatives in one of those documentaries said Prince Phillip's letter to Charles was more meant to help clarify his thinking, not order him to marry Diana, but Charles was defensive about Phillip and insecure.

Yes of course Diana and Charles were very unsuited. They had the stupid idea back then that a 19 year old could be molded and trained, but of course her character was already formed and she hid a lot of it as well - pretended to like the country, pretended to be interested in what interested him.

THAT said, I think Diana lied a lot about the early part of her marriage in order to get sympathy. Sure, there were qualms, such as when he said "Whatever love means." But in recent times a lot of photos have surfaced of the two of them at home being very affectionate and at ease - on the honeymoon, having family times in swimming pool, in a kitchen.

Meghan is just batshit crazy to try to emulate the narrative trajectory of a woman who was dead at the same age Meghan entered the picture. She is a terrible actress, a very inexperienced one at that, and only someone as stupid and inexperienced as Harry would fall for it. The stuff she's doing on this tour to make herself endearing is probably the stuff that made her lose roles, not get callbacks, etc. because she's a phony, and phony shows upon camera. If you're going to be a bad actress, the camera likes it better if you play it "small", not play it OTT. Meghan learned to be small (in her acting) in her limited Suits role, but even then you could tell she was a bad actress.

In any case, she's going to last a whole lot longer than people want because Harry lacks direction. He's just full of resentment and self-pity and wants attention. And Meghan is as lowest common denominator as it gets, which is actually a talent. People who can hit that low bar every single time, be that absolutely basic, usually do well for a period of time. Plus she has absolutely no shame.

Kate's burgundy polka dot dress is from Whistles.

R154 - Correction. Both of them stole MY LOOK.

R144 she is merching, not spending. If you can't see that then you don't want to.

The Queen was in Berkshire today. She knows how to wear those bright colors so the crowds can see her.

R155 - Are you serious?! I was there - the moment the news leaked that Charles was dating Diana she was hounded from dawn to dark - the pap pack like wolves surrounded her from the moment she left her flat. Her mother wrote a letter to the TIMES about her daughter being hounded. By the time the formal engagement was announced, the public was already dotty over her and every aspect of her life had been trumpeted from the headlines, including her uncle proclaiming that there was no doubt she was a virgin.

The see- through skirt was absolutely well before the engagement, she was already a sensation by the time the infamous photocall at Buck House occurred. You can see footage of her with her head down, fleeing down the streets of London with a pack of pap hounds barely three feet from her. Do you think they took all those photos and didn't submit them to their editors for printing?! ' Diana was all over the papers and magazines well before the engagement. The furore after the engagement and wedding was simply an extension of the persona she'd established as she waited for Charles to propose. The media absolutely played a role, if perhaps an unintentional one, on the pressure building on Charles, now 32, to get it over with already.

158 merching / spending it doesn't really matter. It is the total value of the outfits that is repugnant.

R155 - With the exception of the first bit of your post stating that the public didn't know Diana before the engagement (the day of the engagement she was moved out of her flat to Clarence House by POs, there was no more job at the kindergarten or anywhere else, of course the see-through skirt photo was pre-engagement!) I agree with just about everything else you stated about Charles, Diana, Harry, and Meghan. The only bit I would add is that Charles's ambivalence was not just a function of his continued love for Camilla, but his failure really to fall in love with Diana. He admitted in letters later on that he was basically crossing his fingers and hoping it went well. It should also be said that ambivalence is a know aspect of Charles's personality - his staff have complained after leaving his service that trying to get him to commit to events and schedules well in advance was, and I quote, "like trying to nail jelly to the wall".

Given Diana's attempt to throw herself down the stairs at Balmoral in the earliest stage of her pregnancy, with the Queen Mother looking on horrified, I think the misery in the marriage for both parties was evident early on, but kept well under wraps. Her behaviour changed markedly and noticeably up at Balmoral once the ring was safely on her finger, from the cheerful, adaptable, game for anything face she presented the year before.

She's swimming in her dress - on purpose I'm sure.

I don't read everything on the Dangling Tendrils threads and may have missed it, but it used to be that the Foreign Office would give a clothing allowance to members of the BRF on official visits abroad.

Have they done away with this practice, which is a long standing one? This is why you almost never see repeats of outfits on foreign trips, including of HM. If this allowance still exists, MM will soon be in the red.

Also to say that it's amazing how MM makes everyone else in the RF look so good/less annoying, including Airmiles Andy, Princess Pushy, etc -- now who would have thought? I cringe for when we have to endure a visit of the lovey dovey couple to Canada. Hopefully with her pregnancy we will be spared that sorry spectacle for a while.

R161, I agree it's repugnant, particularly as she wants us to THINK she's spending that much. Look at what the royal family thinks I require!

But I would definitely change the word "value" in your opinion. These clothes are junk and shit. The price tags are just more PR for the label. They are only worth that if people are actually spending the money to wear Meghan's clothes for themselves at that price and there is no sign that they are.

R162, we agree, mostly. Although one of Charles' connections scoffs at the notion that Hasmat Kahn or any other man was Diana's true love, that she was in love with Charles to the end, but her concept of love made the marriage impossible (I think to her it meant 24/7 adoration and 24/7 accessibility and attention). When it's said he was pressured into marrying her, I interpret an engagement as an obvious statement of intention to marry. So I do not think the public demanded he become engaged to her. Once he did, everything escalated, I agree. The Emanuels, her dress designers, became a huge deal. Even that big flouncy black ballgown with the decollete caused a sensation in their first event as an engaged couple.

I have to think he was attracted to her though, if for no other reason than she is exactly his physical type. She may have been better looking than Camilla but we're stall talking very healthy robust looking, very buxom blondes. Dale Tryon was the same, Anna Wallace was the same.

R154, I think all the financial practices are in place but not applied to Sparkle. For example, clearly Charles is not funding her wardrobe. I read the story that she is in debt, and he knows any money he gives the Harkles will go to pay down her debt (which is still accruing as it's for PR, among other things, and she still uses PR). Per this story Charles is willing to be as fair to Harry/Meghan as he is to Will/Kate, but will not have his $$ repurposed for debt payment or PR while she goes on merrily merching. She can use it for wardrobe or she can forget receiving it.

Same token, no matter what the budgetary allotment practices are for trips, it is not an open checkbook and nobody is going to give Sparkle whatever the hell she wants as a clothing budget. They can explain their needs, or the budget can be built in and they work out it, but she does not have license to spend however much the fuck she wants unto tens of thousands of pounds for three weeks, and the money people just pay up.

The difference with Sparkle is she doesn't want a wardrobe, she wants to merch. So any money she received would go to something other than its purpose. So she doesn't receive it. Fuck, Harry is now in on it as well with that stupid fit bit type ring. She is not being denied. She is making different choices with a different agenda and therefore it's not being done the same for her as is customary.

PS, I think it's mostly merching for her to earn money, and I don't think whiny Harry would be averse to that, but I also think she likes the collateral ability to claim thousands and thousands of pounds are being spent on her wardrobe. It's not true, but it goes with the status she wants to spin - she's the most beloved of the in-laws, nothing is too good for her, she's such an asset the budget is unlimited because the return is unlimited.

Even the Go Fug Yourself girls, who are the biggest Meghan Markle stans on earth and have met her, and are connected in the fashion industry, blithely admitted they believe she is merching her heart out and GOOD FOR HER. The PR is great for the brands and why not! They are completely ignoring rules and protocol.

I KNOW someone has this gif. There is a video clip of Charles, Harry and Smeg walking along after Eugenie's wedding. As they near the camera filming them, Charles speeds up and separates himself from the Hazbeens, moving rapidly ahead. As he does so, Smarkle REACHES OUT HER FUCKING HAND TOWARDS HIS ARM. I swear to God she was looking to hook her hand in and keep him by her side so she could have Harry on the other side. He even briefly glances back at her hand as he continues motoring ahead. But just that she had the fucking INSTINCT to halt his forward progress and latch him to her side is breathtaking.

R168 - I saw that too but it may have been to pull him out of harm's way because there were cars coming down the road.

Cover of Hello mag.

Yeah R 169, nope.

That dress Kate wore today is awful.It's for a 85 year-old,not a gorgeous 36 year-old.

R90 At lest we American QUEENS know how to use apostrophes properly. Unlike you Australian SUGARS.

R172 - Ok Sugar. Whatever you say.

Meghan didn’t get roles most likely because she wasn’t willing to prostitute herself, R155. It actually reflects well on her that she didn’t do well in such a place as Hollywood. It is clear she has too much intelligence and integrity to just be an actress. I think if she had stayed in the business she would become a director or started producing some feminist/activist movies - trying to create roles for herself and at the same time to make the world a better place.

If Diana were alive, whom do you think she would like/get along better, Meghan or Catheriine?

This facial expression makes her look like SJP.

R175 = Overloaded on Sugar!

Really R172? She popped out three rather large babies and rocked that shirt dress today.

Everyone who doesn’t think Meghan is worse than Hitler is a Sugar to you, R172?

R175 take some holidays.

The burn out is coming fast.

R176: Diana.

Manipulators like MM are attracted to each other because they can use each other and they like playing games and creating drama. People like Kate are boring to them because they’re not a challenge. They take one bite and throw them away.

It’s okay that you guys don’t know this, but MM’s fetus is the size of a baby carrot. Aside from water weight gain, there is nothing else going on. The bloat is real, but it’s general to the entire lower belly area/waist. It’s not a BABY BUMP at 12 weeks.

For a woman with yoga-toned abs who has never had diastasis recti (separation of abdominal wall muscles) before, there is no reason for her to be “showing” at 12 weeks. It’s like saying that she has a brain tumor in r85’s photo. You can’t see that thing from the outside (and I know all about short torsos showing sooner). She’s pooching it out to show off.

I think William would not have married Kate had Diana been still alive. He would be too busy attending to his mother’s emotional needs to form a real bond with any woman. And besides, Diana would probably have found Kate too boring and unexciting early on, and steered Will towards more glamorous girls. Harry, on the other hand, I can see marrying Meghan and I can see MM worming her way to Diana's heart. She’s a master manipulator, gotta give it to her.

R183

[quote] ...to show off.

Not surprising since that's what she does all the time.

Meghan didn't get work because her acting absolutely sucks as anyone who watches Suits for five seconds can see for themselves. Same with her commercials, she is terrible. Come on. Tell me she was capable.

I know working actors and actresses, and sorry, they are not all whores. Meghan is a very common physical type in Hollywood; anytime there is a casting call for someone like her there are plenty to choose from and many who are better actresses, particularly since the roles for women are more scarce. She was never able to get out of the bit part rut until suddenly she got a contract role on Suits. How did that happen? It was never more than a bit part, but it was on contract so she had security.

Don't give me she was too pure to hustle - look at Deal or No Deal. Those girls didn't need any talent whatsoever and there were about 100 of them for each role cast. But there was Meghan.

Finally, as to money, Claire Foy got 40k an episode playing the fucking queen in the fucking Crown. So people who imagine Markle got 50k for her nothing role in Suits don't know anything. Cut that amount down to one fifth of it and it's closer to reality.

Meghan is not a master manipulator, she is basic. The key here is Harry. He had to hunt in the discard pile for a spouse because he was rejected by aristos, and by better known actresses in Hollywood and in Britain. By better known that = they were earning a living and already had social status and a certain amount of access to rich suitors if they were looking to marry well. Harry didn't pass their cost/benefit analysis. Not for being royal, but for being immature and having many man problems.

I don't know what Diana you are talking about but she would have loved Catherine. She didn't want competition, for one thing, and Catherine is not competitive. She was lonely, and Carole Middleton and her husband with their cozy but large country home would have been a place for Diana to get away and relax and Carole Middleton would have known how to be her friend without becoming destablized. Diana would have loved a girl that came from a warm family. She would have also known she could trust Catherine, as she could trust Sarah Chatto. Chatto and Diana were absolute opposites but Diana liked and trusted her for the simple reason that Chatto was consistently kind to her.

As for Markle, so you're saying huge numbers of the public could see Markle coming but Diana, that suspicious, canny, cunning, assessing, clever woman - could not? Casting directors, men she cast herself at and failed, family members, all sorts - could see Markle but Diana could not? Diana, the ghosting queen (she was known for ghosting people). The person whose biggest problem was she wanted everyone to love her the most and couldn't share? Couldn't recognize Markle in one?

Markle would never have gotten near Harry. Diana would have ridiculed him out of it.

Diana was struggling at the end of her life, although she was still young. Five years later or so if William had hooked up with a nice Middleton girl from a really nice, warm family that welcomed Diana whom Diana could trust, she'd have been very happy about it. Hell, she could have stirred up trouble by spending time at Uncle Gary's villa.

R139 The whole “Crown Princess Mary is a bogan” thing was started by two unhinged bitches who run (possibly, “ran”) Royal Dish. Their hatred for Mary ran way beyond just snark, it was pathological. It made this thread’s treatment of MM look like child’s play. Unlike this thread, there was no humour. Just relentless hatred.

No, she was never a bogan, for all the reasons (family, background, education and career) that you mentioned above. But it became a handy label, especially for people with no experience of Australia, and it stuck.

I like how Joe Guiliano's ordinary parents extracted him from Meghan with a ferocious quickness but Diana would have taken one look at Meghan and gone, "I love this girl" because Diana was easily manipulated and didn't know a user when she saw one. Shit, she saw people who WEREN'T using her as users.

Aren't all fandoms deranged?

Diana was also fairly athletic, particularly with swimming. She had dance training. She liked to work out. Catherine is athletic, swims, plays tennis, field hockey, rows, etc. and likes to work out. I don't know about dance, but she and Diana would have had an athleticism in common, and neither one of them cares for horses, which was an issue for Diana as everyone around her was horse mad. I also think that Diana would have had fun giving Catherine her tips for navigating crowds in public, something she did very well. Diana observed protocol when she did walkabouts and public appearances. There was nothing about how she handled herself in the official part of the role that broke the rules. She was just very young, tall, and striking, and appeared very very sympathetic and empathetic to people she met compared to the rest of the royal family who were and are reserved by nature (give or take an Andy). It wasn't that she was OTT. It's just that the rest of the family always looked extremely stiff and duty bound while she appeared relaxed.

R189, can you talk some more about the first husband’s deal? I always find it interesting when someone has a brief starter marriage.

I got a lot of shit for saying this once, on another site (called “jealous”) but there is something wrong with people who have serial engagements/marriages or procreate with more than two people. They’re 100% sure to be emotional messes.

My worldwide subjects,

I assure you at the outset, the pernicious heart with which I am temporarily burdened shall rebound in a wildly obtuse trajectory. That is to say, please don't cry for me.

As I endeavoured to lift the spirits of schoolgirls facing lives of abject middle-class normalcy, the ruminative and ghostly wraiths of my childhood reared their ugly heads — the besotted childhood of a tiny brown feminist being dragged up in the Deep South of Los Angeles with the ever-present spectre of Ed O'Neill glaring over my shoulder. :shudder: As I am unscrupulously truthful in all I do, I felt no turgidity in admitting that I had once been forced to.....to....

....to take out the trash. Yes, it is true. The most vituperatively painful chapter of my life's book has been thrown open to you, my dear subjects.

I ask not for your salubrious tears. Quiescently redolent of briny French butter they may be, I seek them not. No, I simply ask that you meditate upon the tender flame of an Annick Goutal Un Air d’Hadrien candle and send your healing energies my way. Together, we shall find closure!

Love and light,

R189

[quote] I like how Joe Guiliano's ordinary parents extracted him from Meghan with a ferocious quickness

Oh, R189, I'd love to know the story on husband #1.

What do you know??? Spill, please.

"...the Deep South of Los Angeles..."

You are a poet, R193.

Some "source" said Harry is not as experienced as William, which is why he lets Meghan handle it. Doesn't Harry know by now Meghan sucks, even at the red carpet, that she's smarmy? I think Harry is lazy, full stop. Doesn't want to take responsibility, and if letting Meghan be in charge means an embarrassing display where she acts as if she's playing herself in a lifetime movie of her own life, he's ok with that. If Harry is NOT as experienced as William, it's his own fault.

Feel pretty sure Meghan goes for the Diptyque candles. Fig. Leaves the Annik Goutal, the citrus, and the Jo Malone stuff to the conventional Kate. Rich bohemian is Meggie's groove.

R175 - go to the head of the class for the funniest comment on Markle ever made.

She probably opened her legs for more men than you can count. She didn't get good roles - in fact, she didn't get ANY roles worth spit euxcept the one her first husband got her on Suits. She didn't get them because she's a shitty actress, pretty but not outstanding, and d-list talents like her are literally a dime a dozen on the streets of L.A.

Go back to Celebitchy - or Saturn, which is more likely where you're from to make a comment like that about a famewhore like this.

R188 - Thanks for the explanation. I was quite puzzled.

R139

R174 What the hell!I don't have to like everything Kate wears.It's nothing to do with the ugly,talentless loser Meg.

The "sugaring" for Kate here is crazy.I bet even William is not this protective of Kate.

R179 I know that her body is perfect.That's exactly why I think the dress is for older women.

R180 ???

R175 She didn't get many roles because she can't act.She was the weakest link on Suits.

Most working actresses are not hookers.Acting,especially Tv gigs is not as easy as people think.It's long hours on sets,it can be more demanding than an office job.

r189 I hugely disagree, I don't think Diana would have supported the match with Meghan at all. She may have been naive about her own friends, but she was ferociously protective of the boys and their ranks as princes. Make not mistake about that last part; yeah she was the "Peoples Princess" blah blah but she was always cognizant of her own rank and that of her sons as royal Princes, and William's as future monarch.

To that end, she would never had approved of MeAgain. No way - this relationship would have never gotten off the ground, she would have shoo'd her away from Harry faster than lightning. In fact I doubt he would have dated either Chelsy or Cressida either, had Diana lived - Diana would have steered both William and Harry toward more substantial members of the British aristo set. I think, for example, she would have loved Jecca Craig for William, had she returned his interest.

No actresses or wannabe actresses (Sparkle, Cressy, Izzy Calthorpe), party hearty poshies (Chelsy) or wait around middle class latchers (Kate). Diana would have been very involved in their choices, and very particular about it.

[quote]Feel pretty sure Meghan goes for the Diptyque candles. Fig. Leaves the Annik Goutal, the citrus, and the Jo Malone stuff to the conventional Kate. Rich bohemian is Meggie's groove.

"Rich bohemian" nails it. And, to be fair, it's a pretty popular groove among upwardly-mobile Americans, perhaps partly because it's easier than trying to learn the arcane codes of the old upper class.

I think this is how Meghan is going to try to escape being compared with Kate, a comparison which will always and forever be unfavorable to her: She's making herself into the ultimate Bobo. All of her failures can then be passed off as evidence of her free-spirited nature and avant-garde tastes.

Had Diana lived, I doubt that Harry would have given the time of day to Meghan Markle or her type. Presumably, he would be emotionally healthier, more stable, and less needy (though probably as entitled and spoiled). MM fills the neediness gap or, in the very least, knows how to exploit it.

I do think that William would still have connected with and married Kate. The loving, stable family background would still be incredibly attractive both to him and his mother. Recall that Diana came from a broken home and repeated the pattern with her own children. The dissolution of her parents marriage left an indelible mark on her and she yearned for the "happy family" scenario she had hoped to build with Charles who simply wasn't into it or suited for it. The Middletons are the very embodiment of it. I think Carole Middleton is shrewd enough to understand and navigate around someone like Diana and her foibles so as not to ruffle her insecurities. Who knows, even though Diana would be only a few years younger than Carole, she might have seen her as a maternal figure she always lacked.

Subject at R196,

It is my unique understanding that Diptyque candles are commonly acquired at a fearsome place called The Nordstrom. Yes, the very tatmongers responsible for that destitute decrepitude furtively whispered about within the darkest syringe-littered alleys as The Nordstrom Rack. Just dictating those words sends a fulsome shiver down my jejunely arched spine. I am heavily pregnant, yes?

That you think I would suggest my lovelorn subjects ever step foot in such a place gives me great pause. At least — AT LEAST — Annick Goutal candles are sold at the somewhat more diaphanous outlet known to the aspirational middle-classes as The Neiman Marcus.

Just speaking my truth, as my humble bougies are bespoke, I am thankful to know nothing of these dark corners of illicit commerce and the workhouse-tainted wares contained therein. There is nothing like the verdant glow of a candle tentatively crafted from the titular spermaceti summoned from the skull of a sustainably sourced sperm whale. Sheer bliss.

Yours,

Stop the presses: Sparkle is wearing a black Emilia Wickstead dress (which looks utterly heinous on her) to the reopening of the ANZAC memorial late today.

And that black bird hat she wore to the von Straubenzee wedding.

The dress comes down to her ankles under which you can see her favourite Atlazurra sling back shoes that look totally wrong with the dress.

Neither the hat, the dress, nor the shoes belong together. It's like one of those, "What doesn't belong in this picture?" games, only the answer is: everything.

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She looks miserable in every picture. I smell a canceled engagement coming on.

R204 You've shown your cards, imposter! You can't be the true Queen o' Our Hearts. HRH Flower Petal Stamen Stalk, Duchess of Sussexxx would have used enciente to describe her oh so delicate condition.

It couldn't be that she's finally gotten it through her head that laughing and gesturing isn't appropriate at such an event, could it?

Nah. She's planning to play the morning-sickness card.

And, yet again, she's dress in black - no one else is. She looks like she's going to a summer funeral. Ironically, the dress is one of the few I've ever seen her in that give the illusion of a waist . . . and she's three months pregnant.

She looks absolutely ridiculous in all that black, as if she dropped in to the event after attending a funeral.

Which is why the royals are supposed to reserve black for mourning.

I think that's crap R201. She would have disliked Meghan on Meghan's own lack of merit, but Catherine would have been fine. As a young girl she was reprimanded at one of her nannying jobs for eating food from the fridge the mom had intended for something else. Via mongrammed note paper, this was when Diana let her employer know she was titled. However, her friends and her final love interest (her real final love interest, not Dodi Fayad, but Haznat Kahn) were not aristos and titled. Diana grew up with that crowd and you know what they say about familiarity. She was friends with Rosa Monckton. William had plenty of title to go on with; didn't need one from a wife. Diana appears to have liked nice, face value sort of people. She was friends with Fergie because Fergie was jolly and fun. Apparently fell out because Fergie said Diana gave her planter's warts, which, for someone like Diana, would have been unforgiveable. Diana gravitated towards her RPOs, stable managers, etc. I think Diana was perfectly happy being the star. She's the princess, the titled one - her friends are all lovely people who do not challenge her in that department. Too insecure. If anything she was nervous of her sons getting much too sucked up into that royal environment. She's not going to steer William towards some blue blood. Kate would have been exactly the ticket in Diana's eyes. Educated, responsible, extremely nice, bright, generous, stable. Exactly like many of Diana's friends who were a corrective for the maelstrom of her own circumstances. Oh, and forgiving.

Nobody knows if William were interested in Jecca Craig, just as nobody knows if he were interested in Isabella Calthorpe. These are things royal fans and fanatics decided.

Instead of making up some idea of Diana - that she was a manipulator who would have loved sparring with another manipulator, or that she would have wanted her sons hooked up with aristocracy - her sons, who were superior socially to everyone around them - look at what she actually did do, who her associates actually were. Accessible, nice people mostly (give or take a Fayad) who had an enormous amount of tolerance and empathy for her and allowed her to be the star of the relationship.

[quote]Duchess of Sussexxx would have used enciente to describe her oh so delicate condition

"Heavily pregnant" is British. I am Great British. My years of exhaustive study under the foot of the Femail chapters of the Daily Mail have bestowed upon me a deep understanding of my language.

Further, "enciente" brings back bad memories of Encino. I'll leave it at that.

R209 - And her hair looks appalling there. You really can see that she has weaves in that photo, everything is uneven lengths and the hairs don't fall together. You don't wear a mess of hair like that under a tiny formal hat like that. It should be pulled back into a low bun at the nape of the neck.

She simply has taste up her pretentious arse. It's surprising because whilst on "Suits" her clothes were attractive - but one forgets they were costumes out of wardrobe, not her choices.

It's incredible to me still, how badly she dresses, just incredible.

My guess is Harry is enabling, instigating and in general showcasing the PDA on this trip hoping it will boost MM's popularity. I believe for god knows what reason - her perceived glamour? - he thought she would be tremendously popular and eclipse Kate, and instead he's stuck with a global embarrassment.

But never too late to re-set, which is what, I bet, the pregnancy and the clinging and stroking are meant to achieve. They're just two lovely young people in love! He's pushed kids towards Meghan in order to get the empathetic I love kids pics, he's asked people in the crowd if they want to meet "my wife", he set up that movie of the week "she's holding my umbrella, tucked under my arm, gazing up at me adoringly moment."

I think their private life is probably hell. She's not his physical type. If he does like girls, he likes the same as his dad - healthy hearty buxom blondes. He probably bores the ever living shit out of her. BUT, he kind of wants to be what Charles was not - the guy with the spectacular wife who is the star of the couple and everybody says "Lucky sod." and "wow, she makes Kate look kind of dreary, doesn't she?"

That has not happened. When this tour is over and everything repeats on them - memories of that maternity coat cunt move at Eugenie's wedding, Harry and Meghan stroking and clinging to each other while speaking to officials they are meant to be engaging, Harry and Meghan's PR announcing one thing (Surf lessons and yoga on the beach!) while producing another (Let's everyone sit in circle while Harry and Meghan touch each other)! This is the material that is going to live on and just destroy him, like Chinese water torture, in a million gifs.

What a creepy picture this is. The positioning and framing creates the appearance of a military widow about to be presented with the flag that draped her husband's casket.

[quote]My guess is Harry is enabling, instigating and in general showcasing the PDA on this trip hoping it will boost MM's popularity.

You're going to love this one, R214.

R21 4 - As I keep asking, how do you know she's a global embarrassment? You think the rest of the world sees as clearly as we on DL do? :) Where is the proof that she's a global embarrassment? The press hasn't dared to jeer at her, only to throw some occasional very subtle jade.

We have no idea, as I said in an earlier post, how they are doing behind the scenes. Her objectionability may be the very thing he appreciates about her and he may be utterly thrilled with her on that front. We had no idea how miserable Charles was for some time.

We just don't know, and the press, as I said, will continue to play this very cautiously because of the pregnancy. So I don't see where the global embarrassment is in play.

The one thing I found incredibly strange was the complete absence of H&M at Balmoral this summer, whilst all the rest of the family got papped going to church with HM. Whether that's an indication of anything, is hard to say.

*some occasional SHADE.

R217

R203, you and I think exactly alike. For all of Diana's glamour, she was stuck at Kensington Palace, in amongst all the other secondary royals, very close to her in-laws and ex, and not welcome at Althorpe. No getaway of her own. I read not long ago of her closeness to her mother at the end, how Diana used to get away and visit her mother at her mother's (relatively) modest abode in Scotland. If the Middletons had appeared in her son's life - generous, inclusive, participatory, responsible as all get out (the school Catherine attended in Jordan says her family was always on time picking her up), it would have been a godsend. Especially since they had two other kids so their attention could be divided - it wasn't ALL William, it's also James (Matthews) and whomever James Middleton may be dating.

In-laws like the Middletons are fairly rare. My brother has a set like that - comfortably well off, always always available to watch the two kids, came for long stays once or twice when the need arose - it was a tension release valve every marriage needs - a support system that is always there.

Carole Middleton comes along, she and Michael have a comfortable home - they exchanged one comfortable home for an even larger after I think Catherine had kids. I am fairly sure Harry has enjoyed their hospitality. They are generous, non-competitive, supportive and considerate of Diana. Hell, if Diana wants to come along to Mustique, she is welcome. If Diana needs a refuge or a change of pace, there's Carole and Michael's place. No riding, no deadly board games, no protocol. Let's do a little shopping and have some wine. Let's chat about what is was like raising these kids.

Diana actually needed her female friends. In her youth and young adulthood, she was happy to demonize her stepmother, Raine. At the end of her life, she befriended Raine because she needed somebody outside the whole thing who still knew the score.

While the Middletons obviously enjoy the respect and trust of the official BRF, they're also outside it and represent an alternative. IMO they would have been a major value add to Diana's life.

Meghan ... the first thing, IMO, Diana would have recognized is that Meghan was all front and no money. Something Harry failed to see until it was too late.

May I humbly ask what is the derivation of the term "sugar" or "sugars"? (Urban Dictionary is of no help.)

Diana would have hated both , Meghan and Kate, or really any woman in her sons' lives .

There is no sign of that R221. I don't think it makes sense to invent a trope-y Diana. It makes sense to look at her at the end of her life and how she behaved. The most vicious thing she did was fire a Nanny she feared William loved best. But I think the Tiggy stuff was all about Charles, not the boys.

[QUOTE] It's surprising because whilst on "Suits" her clothes were attractive - but one forgets they were costumes out of wardrobe, not her choices.

She looked good. From what I can remember they had her in very classic pencil skirts and crisp white blouses with a few buttons undone. The white fabric was a nice contrast to her skin tone. Everything fit her. Left on her own she is making very puzzling choices of ill-fitting clothing in dreadful drab colors. I wish she would look to Queen Letizia of Spain for pointers on how someone with an odd twiggy body can still dress in a way that flatters.

The Tig emulator poster is the best!

I don't know, R219....don't you think Diana might have been appalled at Carole's successful campaign to position her daughter to capture Prince William? Don't you think she might have seen her as a schemer and a grifter?

Perhaps Harry can find the motherly warmth he craves from Doria Ragland. She seems like a kind woman.

This afternoon's hair was inspired by an Ikette's wig after a particularly sweaty performance of Proud Mary.

[quote]Nobody knows if William were interested in Jecca Craig, just as nobody knows if he were interested in Isabella Calthorpe. These are things royal fans and fanatics decided.

Whaaat? surely you jest. Not interested in Jecca? She is his Camilla, if many inner circle royal watchers are to be believed. "The one who got away", his first love, the one who mattered most even in his earliest days with Kate.

Not interested? Interested enough to make her his 'special guest of honor' at his hugely important 21st birthday bash, themed "Out of Africa" most believed in honor of her home country. This with Kate present, playing 2nd fiddle. Interested enough to skip his cousin Peter Philips's wedding to attend her brother's, in Kenya; enough to skip out on his daughter's 1st Easter to fly away to spend the weekend with - you guessed it, Jecca and her kin in Kenya.

Much of his interest in conservation and ivory trade issues is due entirely to influence of Jecca and the Craigs. Jecca's husband is a world renowned environmental scientist and conservation expert. Nobody has to decode or 'decide' his closeness to these people; they are the most influential with him, outside of the Middletons.

I usually do not pay attention to other royals, but today an article about Letizia was right next to an article about Meghan, and I noticed two things: 1. They have the same legs (in MM’s case, DL calls them “ugly” and “chicken,” personally, I don’t see it - not a fan of emaciated look, but I admit slenderness has certain charm). 2. Letizia looked stunning in that red dress, so it is possible to find a flattering style for that body type after all. I wonder why Meghan can’t dress like that. Of course, Letizia seems to have a smaller waist, maybe that helps too.

Was William's relationship with Jecca ever consummated or serious or was it wishful thinking and pursuit on his part? She sounds like the "unobtainable" fantasy for him. Unobtainable because her family was so much wealthier and could provide her with independence and she is a Ph.D. candidate who is married to a not-as-wealthy intellectual while the Windsors are hardly known for any brainy achievements.

r228 - MM has, and always will have the ugliest legs. Everything she wears is designed to attract attention away from her chicken legs.

They have identical legs.

¿Que? Though she might actually be small and bony, Letizia actually has shapely calves. It's right there in your pictures. There is nothing "twig"-like about her legs.

R220, frankly, I've got no idea where the terms comes from or how it came into existence. The term refers to Meghan-obsessed weirdos/lunatics.

Apparently, "Sugars" comes from her Tumblr fans.

R231, Duchess Meggers has got twig-like legs whereas Queen Letizia's legs might be thin, but they're well-shaped.

Plus, unlike Preghan, Letizia never wears hooker shoes.

Was that bathrobe coat and the hooker shoes at their engagement announcement fashion disaster Nummer eins?

Or did I miss any of her fashion Fettnäpfchen prior to the engagement?

What? Who has “calf muscle definition” among their fitness goals? “I want knobbly calves” said no one ever. Calf reduction surgery exists for a reason.

^said no woman ever.

Will the first appearance of Zimmermann be poolka dots?

Bedspread throwback?

Or slob suit?

She keeps wearing that awful trench coat in case this Duchess thing pans out.

It's her trial run to pitch "The Meghan Markle Mysteries" to CBS after the inevitable tragic divorce in 3 years.

[quote]What? Who has “calf muscle definition” among their fitness goals? “I want knobbly calves” said no one ever. Calf reduction surgery exists for a reason.

You are quite correct. No woman, ever, EVER wants shapely calves. As a matter of fact, there is such a rush for gastrocnemius-ectomy surgeries that plastic surgeons have lists a MILE long because their clientele is clamoring from the "Markle chicken leg look" despite grave health concerns about such an intentional disfigurement. Some of the less ethical practitioners are inflating their fees to top dollar, too, or so I hear. As a matter of fact, I've heard that Letizia was woebegone and spent weeks in bed after the Spanish Royal family forbade her from getting such a procedure. No wonder the poor dear looks so disfigured as to keep trying to hid her unfathomably ugly gams under layers of cloth.

It’s not myectomy, R243, the smoothing of a calf line is usually achieved by partial denervation or botoxing. And although it is well-known that Letizia had undergone extensive plastic surgery, I doubt she had or wanted calf reduction. Her calves never looked particularly bumpy, and they fit quite well with her overall slimmer look which is likely the result of dieting.

[quote]although it is well-known that Letizia had undergone extensive plastic surgery,

Although you've made it quite apparent that sarcasm is not your forte and you are impervious to ridicule, you may, at least provide a linky or two to cover your ass, right? If you know what CYA means, that is.

BTW, is your ass bony or irredeemably fat? Just asking for friends, cuz we have bets going.

You know those imaginary friends are not real, right, R245? Google is your true friend, though.

Since it’s mostly gay men here, it might not be well known that pregnancy messes with a woman’s hair. It usually becomes thicker and more lustrous. It grows faster, too.

But hormones are mysterious and wacky. I’ll spare you the frau anecdotes, but just keep an eye out for her hair. I know we’re not supposed to talk about black women’s hair, but I’ll be interested to see what happens.

In other words, you have absolutely no evidence, correct, R246? You traipse around in La, La land, fixating on yourself and your inordinate self-love.

Eres una puta desgraciada que no sabe parar cuando la gente util te dicen "bastante." Eres una fractura devuelta desde los hornos de Satan.

Hair follicles undergo continuous growth and regression cycle consisting of growth stage (anagen), regression stage (catagen) and resting stage (telogen). Pregnancy hormones lead to most hair follicles being stuck in telogen, so hair indeed looks thick and luscious. When pregnancy ends, however, a lot of follicles simultaneously move to regression stage which results in massive hair loss.

Luckily for you I don’t speak Satanic (or Spanish), R248.

[quote]It's her trial run to pitch "The Meghan Markle Mysteries" to CBS

The coat will be nicely rumpled and filthy by then, but first she needs to return to her old home...

[bold]The Burnin' Bush (Hallmark Channel — November 2021)[/bold]

Discarded duchess Kraven Spargle (Meghan Markle) thought she had it all, but her life fell apart when her prince (Murray Fraser) pooped out and his evil family stole her twins. Kraven is determined finance an against-all-odds custody battle, but when best friend Tess (Chloe Lattanzi) lands Kraven a lucrative one-year contract as the face of rural NSW's most prestigious bikini-wax chain, The Burnin' Bush, her excitement turns to anxiety.

Returning to the land of her romantic-on-the-surface babymoon and the humiliation that followed threatens to push her beyond her limits, but she knows she must go. How will she maintain her sanity in a town with no cold-pressed juice delivery? Will a chance encounter with young widower Bummo (Nick Bracks) be the catalyst that begins the healing of both their hearts? Will she ever see her twins again?

Please elaborate how I am so lucky...

Are you and your minions so powerful as to vanquish science and erase your stupidity from the interwebz? Funny how I've bovvered this far... Pero ya se que sabes que tu crees que has hodido unos hombres muy importantes, en tus fantasisas. Allez, aqui vienen las montas de puterias hechadas por R250, la mas simplona que puede respirar. Lo que viene, que va pa la puta que aparente eres.

Nadie te va salvar porque eres minima,chica.

I so love R193. Some clever writing there, my friend!

R193, The Burnin' Bush is a FAB name for a bikini waxing place or even a Brazilian salon.

Is anyone else horribly disappointed that MM managed to get pregnant? I was so hoping she would flee because of the onslaught of ridicule and contempt heaped on her the last six months, but now it looks like we will have to endure her relentless fake grin, stupid opinions, and terrible wardrobe for at least a couple more years.

[quote]now it looks like we will have to endure her relentless fake grin, stupid opinions, and terrible wardrobe for at least a couple more years.

You say that like it's a bad thing!

I'm just excited to see whether the baby appears on the steps of the Lindo Wing with tiny Birks diamond studs already punched through its earlobes.

R255, I am. I was hoping they’d have to adopt.

Hey, they still might.

Some really good, though-provoking responses here (R139 and R187 particularly), and of course the Burnin' Bush, which is classic DL.

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What the hell kind of name is Jecca? Or Tiggy, for that matter?

R251, will I have a role in this movie?! If so, what scene will I be in??

I am, R255. Her craven ambition is fascinating to watch. But to bring a kid into the mix? Meghan will be a terrifying mother. She will, of course, play up the loving, adoring mother in public. In private, she won't care about the kid only so much as she views it as an extension of herself. That kid has no chance unless there's some other stable influence, such as a nanny or another family member. It's not going to be fun watching her duck this kid up.

Oh, Jecca is another rich White African. What’s with him and Harry falling for these colonialist daughters from Africa? What BAD optics.

At least Charlene of Monaco (also white African) was merely middle class, not the daughter of rich landowners like William and Harry chased.

No, they don't, r231. Meghan's legs have NO calves, zero. They are not simply "slender."

R237, You are clinically insane.

Women do not get "calf muscle reduction" surgery; they wear stiletto heels to accentuate their calves!

R260, You will notice the calf?

There are men here who clearly have no idea of what a woman's legs should look like.

The Letizia sugar with the calf fetish is derailing this thread. Blocked.

R266, I’ve heard of calf implants. Not reduction, but i suppose it’s a thing. I’m pretty sure that the amount of muscle and fat in your calves is genetically decided. My legs are naturally muscular, and long shapely legs run in the family. I don’t know where Meghan got her stick legs: Doria has normal legs. Maybe the Markle side, but they seem to run on the hefty side.

Meghan and Angelina Jolie have that same shape. An apple on sticks

This thread is making me sympathetic to her. The awkward slang (Meagain, Sugar, merching), the wall-of-text rants, and most of all, the lack of any humor or cleverness make this thread the worst of DL.

R86, this whole thing is like Jolie / Pitt, the BRF version. The B team version actually, since Meghan's complete lack of star status kind of cancels out Harry and puts movie stars Jolie and Pitt ahead.

When Pitt and Jolie hooked up they got stans immediately. At last Pitt was with someone who was his equal. But it also exposed Jolie as a narcissistic, insatiable self-promoter and bullshit artist. Very quickly Pitt looked grim and haunted. Every once in awhile people would be like "He wants out." but how long did that fucker last - 11 years? Every time he seemed miserable, here would come another kid. So IOW, he was playing it both ways - oh, I'm miserable and not responsible - but I'm still in it. It was only when they married in 2014 that I knew it was ending soon. I know Hollywood PR strategies. That was to finish off their narrative arc.

Long way of saying Harry is going to be in it a long time, all the while often looking sad while his fans wait for him to leave, but he won't. And then he'll come out looking happy and they'll say, "He's making her happy so she'll behave!"

R245 - I don't know about "extensive" but you don't need a link to see that Letizia had her enormous pre-wedding hooked nose done at some point after her marriage. It was really the only real flaw (apart from her teeth) in an otherwise reasonably pretty face. The word from the Zarzuela Palace was a terse " for medical reasons". So all you have to do is google the before and after photos of Letizia. I don't blame her - from several angles, the nose made her look muy bruja.

As for the other poster insisting she has legs like Sparkle's, you're either blind or in denial. Whilst Letizia's legs are on the slim side (she is extremely fine boned), they aren't the twigs that Sparkle is always trying to hide. Their real flaw is that they are slightly bowed, but they do have shape. And she has a waist, which Sparkle doesn't. I would bet a month's wages that if offered the chance, Sparkle would exchange bodies with Letizia in heartbeat.

I still think Sparkle's body type is closer to Mary of Denmark, except that Mary has nicer legs than both Sparkle and Letizia. But no waist and only slightly taller. When you see Mary in person, which I have (albeit from a distance at the opening of the Danish Parliament once, from well across the street), she is startlingly more petite than she appears in photos.

The middle photo of the Daily Mail's top article is priceless. Hazza's face!

I recently saw Mary of Denmark's wedding on line, and she had the off the shoulder dealy in a boatneck similar to Meghan's, and that was the only resemblance. Beautifully tailored to fit, detailed, and styled. It is so clear everything about the Dimwit Sparkle wedding was last minute. Question is why, since they were engaged months before.

[quote]However, her friends and her final love interest (her real final love interest, not Dodi Fayad, but Haznat Kahn) were not aristos and titled. Diana grew up with that crowd and you know what they say about familiarity. She was friends with Rosa Monckton.

Ah yes, The Honourable Rosamond Mary Monckton, born 26 October 1953 in Westminster, London, daughter of Gilbert Monckton, 2nd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, herself former Chief Executive of Asprey & Garrard until in 2002 she became a non-executive chairman of Asprey London and Garrard & Co. and spouse of Dominic Lawson, son of Nigel Lawson, Baron Lawson of Blaby and former Chancellor of the Exchequer in the Conservative government of Margaret Thatcher.

Yes, Diana loved her regular folk... absolutely turned her back on it all.

Keep trying, R270.

Letizia's legs are very slender, and she is very slim, but her legs have contour. You can see them taper into even more slender ankles. Whereas Meghan's entire leg is shin. Including her nonexistent calves.

R255, not disappointed she's pregnant just sorry she's managed to get her hooks in so efficiently. A baby was obviously the best battle plan so she had to get on it, so to speak, at her age.

Long term she won't be prominent forever, save for something the media can stick the knife into. So whether she simply recedes into Princess Michael of Kent obscurity in due course or actually is so appalling that it penetrates even Harry's thick, needy skull and he divorces her, she will become less present with each passing year.

Her fate is punchline. I'm sorry someone so obvious and ill suited managed to pull off a position in an important institution. Her shallowness and lack of understanding could undermine it. Thankfully Charles' reign is likely to be brief and when William take the throne, with his family, Princess Michael 2.0 becomes that.

Plus it looks like pregnancy will ruin her figure, so at least there's that.

R229 William's relationship with Jecca is hypothetical only as it has never been confirmed or established that they ever had a romantic relationship. It was assumed based on their ages, her type, and his friendship with her family. Whereas a number of his high school and early St. Andrews relationships and his relationship with Arabella Musgrove are confirmed.

Yeah, I know a memorial is a solemn occasion but don't be such a Morbid Megsy.

"Whaaat? surely you jest. Not interested in Jecca? She is his Camilla, if many inner circle royal watchers are to be believed. "The one who got away", his first love, the one who mattered most even in his earliest days with Kate."

:Inner circle royal watchers" = A/k/A fans on forums who hate Kate.

And if she were really his Camilla he would not parade it around such as intentionally humiliate Kate at a birthday party or run off to "be" with her in the romantic sense seeming to publicly abandon his family. These are things that can be done quietly. She is very convenient and useful, however, particularly during his early days with Kate. Kate has also spent time at the Jecca family conservation.

Jecca being in the place of honor adjacent to William at the birthday party was to take the heat off Kate. The prospect of occupying a place of honor next to Harry at a major social event (a wedding or a birthday party) threw Cressida Bonas into a panic and accelerated.

I do love how Lainey of Lainey gossip was completely unaware that Jecca lives in London and this recent occasion when William went to Africa, she speculated it was for his Jecca fix. She's an idiot.

Her family no longer runs Lewa.

The couple has a coordinated "Slob Look". The high heels on grass is back.

She's practically wilting before our eyes.

Her hair really is a disaster. You'd think she'd just give up and keep it tied up instead of letting that mess flail all over.

A bunch of nouns got lost in my post above.

The prospect of occupying the spot of honor next to Harry at a birthday party (or wedding - I forget what event the ass kissing Vanity Fair said it was) accelerated his break up with Cressida. This is an aristo girl who was an aspiring dancer / actress at the time and thus accustomed to being before the public, yet the prospect terrified her. In early days with Kate it's easy to have your wing woman next to you to protect your girlfriend.

Most of the people who think William HAS to love some other woman and settled for Kate just can't see what it is that would make Kate appealing, so they insist it must be another woman he truly loves. Those people are hopeless.

Look at how great Kerry Washington looks here.

Lots of photos here of the Death Warmed Over Duchess and Dimwit Duke.

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The Emilia Wickstead dress came in white but of course Nutmeg chose black.

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Harry's speech at the Invictus Games in Sydney.

[quote]Why does MM have to fiddle with her hair all the fucking time?

All those chemicals must itch.

If she weren't so phony and such a show off, she might have found a suitable place in the ranks. But every day she just makes Kate Middleton look that much better. Such a poser.

Markle is nothing but a mimic, and she's very bad at it. She seems to only observe the general facial expression and not the energy behind it that gives it credibility.

Is she merchandising ugly oversize sunglasses now?

Stilettos on board. An accident waiting to happen.

She looks bored listening to Dimwit practice his speech.

Wearing lots of war paint on her face.

The couple at the opening ceremonies of The Invictus Games. Yeah, try and remember why you're here.

Her rendition of sad.

Dimwit's look says: What the fuck are you going on about?

Tendrils and a dark outfit. Standard, predictable and boring.

Even when she's sitting in a crowd, Clingon is grasping.

The Invictus Games is all about ME!

Touchy feely on his thigh.

This is her rendition of happy (on the same day as sad @R299). Notice the blush on her chipmunk cheeks.

It's Dimwit's turn to hold onto her thigh. Get a room!

It's deja vu - Toronto 2017 and Sydney 2018.

Her make up for the Invictus opening is really terrible.

The hair is the usual bad and her outfits is as usual bland and boring.

Her rendition of the "Adoring Nancy Reagan" look.

She's pretty from far away, but the close ups are terrible for her.

Dimwit helping his wife out of the boat. Watch for her stiletto sashay.

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That stupid button dress really does make her waist look as wide as a truck.

Also - the amount of money she's shelling out for these outfits. Almost $2000 for that white blazer alone?

Jecca is short for Jessica.

Tiggy is from the 1920s children's author Beatrix Potter's character Mrs Tiggywinkle.

Cressida Bonas reportedly broke up with Harry because he wouldn't pay for her plane ticket to Tennessee to attend the wedding of his friend Guy Pelly. Despite being an aristo, she didn't have much money.

Too many of us are veering OT. I'm about to add myself to the list. The only people who refer to Kate as "Catherine" are fucking fraus. Kate doesn't even call herself "Catherine" except on official documents, and the like. OK, back to the tendrils, which were out in full force today. Full on Medusa in some snaps.

It makes my eye twitch to see her stringy hair constantly in her face. It’s so gross.

Look at R283 photo comment, it looks like a bird shit on her fascinator and someone hurriedly wiped it off!

R281 what did Lainey say about Jecca/Will/Kate, and when?

I’m endlessly fascinated by the fact that Sparkle leaks like crazy to her own personal gossip shill, and yet the RF stil welcomed her to the family.

[quote] Full on Medusa in some snaps.

The truth will out.

Geez, in the war paint close-up her lip injection is visible. She does it underneath, not at the top. You can see the inner corner of the upper lip was overdone and is crowding the corners of her mouth.

R220 The term "sugar/sugars" applies to those who admire and defend their idol to the death, no matter how much that person fucks up. No idea how the term came to be. There are Kate sugars and MM sugars, and other sugars I am sure. It is a frau term, and it makes me want to stab anyone who uses it.

She's really just so proudly breaking the rules... clothes outside the norm, hugging, kissing groping everyone she can get her talons on, crossing her legs outside the usual... now some of her bends of rules are bending anachronism, but she's [italic]always[/italic] bending them.

However she wears with public - and the PDAs, in due course, surely will wear in due course - inside the institution - both the family and the staff - if she starts to threaten the health of the show, she'll pay. All Diana's popularity - and Meagain Marker is far too obvious and artificial to achieve Diana's popularity - but all of Diana's popularity couldn't save her standing within the Royal Family. She very quickly started to flounder and, arguably, adrift and emotionally impulsive as she was, would have alienated people more and more as she aged. Meagain hasn't even built a base of genuine affection upon which to draw. She's a clueless outsider who's making no effort to understand her new world but conscious effort to work outside it. It will fail. The strength of the monarchy lies in no small part on tradition. She should read her Bagehot.

Well, some of the rules are just lame, eg, why no black tights and why no crossed legs, if you have to sit for over an hour? Britain is freezing in winter and women typically do wear black tights, a lot. And why no trousers? What's wrong with being comfortable, if you look tidy?

R281, when William recently went to Africa (so, last month) Lainey "mused" out loud that it was cover for his "Jecca fix" and she recycled that he went to her wedding (while Kate repped at Autumn and Peter's wedding). She did the whole "He abandoned his family for Jecca over and over." Then it was pointed out to her a fact that she apparently did not know - Jecca lives in London and not in Africa.

IMO the entire "William wanted other women but had to "settle" for Kate" is wishful thinking by Kate haters. They are premised on:

1. Kate ain't much to look at and is very dull. 2. The likes of Isabella Calthorpe, Arabella Musgrove and Jecca Craig must be absolutely scintillating and fascinating to be with, much better than dull Kate. 3. Kate must be very insecure but she is wisteria and a limpet so she humiliated herself until William had nowhere else to turn. 4. William is happy to go be with other women and abandon his family IN PUBLIC (which includes the birthday party where Jessica had the place of honor and which was a very public event). He did this in preference to being discreet, because he just doesn't give a shit about humiliating his wife AND his children.

I have read a version of this article over and over. "Meet the one woman who makes Kate insecure." (Arabella Musgrove). "Meet the one woman who makes Kate insecure." (Isabella Calthorpe). "Meet the one woman who makes Kate insecure." (Jecca Craig). A year or so ago the narrative was all Isabella Calthorpe. This year the narrative has settled on Jecca.

They're looking for SOMEONE - anyone. Vanity Fair is responsible for a lot of it. Going back, they like to stick it to Kate and they have been up Harry's ass since Day 1. While I'm sure the brothers love each other I'm equally sure the spare wants to make sure his own importance isn't forgotten and I believe he's been a source for VF for years. A self-serving one.

My favorite is that Kate isn't good-looking enough and is "basic". This is a woman who is minimally 5'9", gorgeous hair, dimples, eyes, smile, voted prettiest in her year at St. Andrews, beautiful legs, teensy waist. Also athletic. However, she looks friendly and accessible, and doesn't carry herself as if she thinks she's hot stuff, so I guess people who dislike Kate don't perceive you can be gorgeous and also unthreatening.

Isabella Calthorpe has bigger, more muscular shoulders than Kate but never do Anyone But Kate stans call her "manly". Isabella Calthorpe basically looks like Bridgette Wilson (Pete Sampras's former actress wife) and Mary Hart (ET's anchor from the 1980s). Strong jaw, small mouth. Fox newsy. Very good-looking, flashy because of the blonde, but not someone who'd put Kate in the shade. They're different types.

Jecca Craig is a bit man-faced in a good way - it's all bone structure and narrow, dramatic eyes and wide mouth. Thin, great shoulders (IMO). Friends with Kate, which nobody ever remembers to remember.

Arabella Musgrove is soulful looking. She can look like a bus ran her over and "nothing much" (as she kind of did at Kate and William's wedding) or very lovely. She works for Gucci and promotes the shit out of Gucci on her instagram, which is mostly lifestyle. Of course a woman who promotes an expensive label for a living and shares her lifestyle on instagram is way more fascinating to be with than Kate. (con't)

cont'd

Most of the women William has been rumored to be with, including Kate, have these things in common: very good-looking, but not flashy. Isabella Calthorpe is the flashiest but that's because of the hair. It's funny that for the longest time William stans who hated Kate picked HER as "the one that got away." The one blonde in the crowd, and the one who has repeatedly denied William ever took a run at her. She was dating Sam Branson at the time (her now husband) and Branson actually took to the media to contradict his dad, who had described him as single. He said no, I am madly in love with my girlfriend Isabella. But that's just an inconvenient fact. So I don't believe he took a run at Isabella just based on the blondeness alone. Other things William's female friends and exes seem to have in common - nice people. Well educated. A natural sort of good looks, not flashy. Some are self-promoting but they are all shy and retiring compared to most of Harry's exes.

Kate's exes resemble William in the coloring, eyes and lips and build, but it must be said none of them were cursed with the horse teeth. One of her exes is fabulously rich. Another might not be aristocratic but comes from money, is now in broadcasting, and has a beautiful brunette wife. I don't know how these guys were desperate enough to date someone as basic as Kate. Maybe they didn't know their own worth.

I am so tired of the revisionist history re: Kate. Just because MM makes her look better in comparison, doesn't take away from many of the legitimate complaints re: Kate. Maybe someone could make a Kate and William leg humping thread so we can keep this fucking thing on Tendril Topic?

There is no revisionist history; Kate has always been a success, and if you got your ass out of the hate forums you'd know that. Are you the one who claimed she was a disaster who was bad with kids? That is delusional. Sorry the truth is making you uncomfortable and you want to change the subject.

The revisionist history is the fantasy that William married her while being in love with three or four other women.

Here's an article showing pics of Jecca Craig dressed up and Kate dressed up. One can easily see that there is no way Kate can compete with that body.

[quote]Maybe someone could make a Kate and William leg humping thread so we can keep this fucking thing on Tendril Topic?

Done, r327.

Try linking again r329, that just takes us to the general threads page

[quote]Maybe someone could make a Kate and William leg humping thread so we can keep this fucking thing on Tendril Topic?

Better link now.

Thanks r331!

I know this is old news now but I'm still wondering about Princess Euge "liking" MeMeghan's Instagram photo. I don't Instagram so not familiar with what tracking is visible regarding visitors but could it have been an attempt to cover up the fact that she was even on her Instagram page?

Also, Papa Markle has been quiet, could he be writing a book and saving all his rantings and tidbits from the past for that? That could be a nice lump of $$ for him at once rather than the dribs and drabs of $ here and there for random photos and sound bites.

For those curious what a sugar is, please see R328

What happened to her breast implants she had on "Deal or No Deal"? She must have removed them.

Look it's ME!

Another "coat over the shoulder" look.

Her hairdresser and stylist should be fired.

Channeiling her dead mother-in-law.

And Dimwit is supposed to be the good-looking brother????

I see you even when I'm wearing hideous shades!

R335 It does look like it from the snap on the left. That said, and I HATE myself for knowing this, Paris Hilton has small breasts and when she wants to go big she uses a lot of tricks including something called a "water bra" which is basically a high tech pushup bra. When she wears it, the difference is pretty amazing. Similar to those photos of MM.

Moved to tears.

These were the sunglasses MM was supposd to wear at the Games. But they mysteriously disappeared when she opened her suitcase.

Talk to the hand.

This poster is theorizing that the ring is Harry, Meghan and the baby's April birthstone.

Even when she's sad, she's always checking for the camera.

The overdone blush looks like someone has slapped her cheek.

Her hair - it's either a mess or severely slicked back.

Does R345 betray a nail biter?

R343 prompted an 'Oh, Christ!' Diana didn't lay it on that thick. This idiot will be the ruin of that idiot. She's turning him into a pussy whipped fool.

[R339] she seems to spend a great deal of time channeling her dead mother in law.

Channelling part deux

^Channeling

This morning, my husband saw a news blurb about MM and Prince Hot Ginge and said “It must really suck to have to sit through all that nonsense.”

Ask Meghan how much she likes being Duchess in a year or two. Maybe it makes her feel important, people performing special dances and having to cut ribbons in Fuckchestershire, but it’s going to get old verrrrry quickly. I’m sure Diana didn’t love that stuff (maybe she liked the sick kids), but she certainly understood what the life would be like.

This dingbat will have her eyes on greener pastures soon.

[QUOTE] This is a woman who is minimally 5'9", gorgeous hair, dimples, eyes, smile, voted prettiest in her year at St. Andrews, beautiful legs, teensy waist. Also athletic. However, she looks friendly and accessible, and doesn't carry herself as if she thinks she's hot stuff, so I guess people who dislike Kate don't perceive you can be gorgeous and also unthreatening.

And here we have the typical Me hater. As blind to her idol Kate as the ‘sugars’ are to Megxit.

This is worthy of a bowl of popcorn to watch you queen’s battle it out over these two bitches.

Wow!

Never saw this picture before.

Startling.

Oh come on, R355. The Queen also stands alone with everyone’s back turned to her. They must really despise her, right?

"The displaced 50 Shades of Grey frauen love it because it's filling an obvious void in their lives, but the two of them are really just coming across as a manic airhead desperate to be loved but simultaneously resentful of being kept from his three o'clock blowjob and an equally desperate "influencer" producing content for her phantom Instagram and seething under the surface every time someone yells "Harry!" They really do deserve each other."

Oh man how did I not see this before. Brilliantly and perfectly observed.

There’s a picture in the church where Anne is giving her a sour look. I think Meghan farted, I hear that happens a lot early in the pregnancy. Another royal no-no. She should know better.

R365 you know the difference. Markle is not the queen. Everybody greeted the queen as they exited. She was in that spot for that purpose - available and easy to find. After greeting, the family mingled and chatted. Markle is not the queen. She's not standing there because everybody greeted her. She is being ignored. Furthermore it is about the billionth photo showing this happening.

I like how everyone behind Markle also has their body lines averted and angled so as to avoid entering their conversational space. Or else they are very very busy and occupied. Heads down and looking at something.

She’s not being ignored. She is having a conversation with her husband. Who knows, maybe about her pregnancy making her fart a lot? Most peoppe would prefer to stay away from that.

Wow, R347 that is some heavy duty make-up. The foundation is spackled on, the fucking bronzer and contour is troweled on. Not even mentioning the false eyelashes and heavy heavy "smoky" eye.

My God she must absolutely get RIPPED apart, and deservedly so, by his "normal" crowd and by the BRF. The Soho crowd probably thinks she looks great.

She's looking really damn pregnant now, even though she's only 3 months gone. Maybe it's the way she's dressing.

She is completely being ignored. When you exit a wedding it is customary to mingle and chat and greet. They are "having a conversation" because nobody is talking to them and they have nobody else to talk to. Something that happens over and over and over again with them.

Nobody ever thought Dimwit was the good looking brother. William was goodlooking, and dimwit was the little nome with eyes so close together he was practically cyclops, snaggle teeth and a ski-jump nose. In his very young adulthood, William rated practically as an Adonis as royals go. I recall a pic of him in a wetsuit that would make your eyeballs fall out.

FF and a tabloid did a "William then, William now" side by side. "Then" was the Adonis William. "Now" was the William who was losing his hair, had stopped using weights, and was even wearing what almost appeared to be droopy swim trunks from Old Navy. It was during this period that Harry worked out and developed a hunkish body, as can be seen when he is best man at his brother's wedding. He swaggers in all shoulders, legs, and chest. It was so impressive it compensated for his face, but his face had improved because he'd acquired a jawline.

A jawline is all Harry has that is better than his brother's. The rest of him is pinched in unattractive features.

"Gnome", not nome.

I hadn't realized until now how bad her skin is. If you click the magnifying cursor at the link, she's a mass of rough skin, discoloration, and blackheads.

Film stars on a yacht. So they believe.

Harry also provided a contrast at the wedding with his coppery hair. So yes, beedy features, but the bulky v-shaped build (fading) and the red hair and beard. He also had a cooler looking uniform. William looked much less robust. The red head/red beard ginger look is very popular in the gay world so Harry had that moment.

Wearing stilettos on a boat and wearing stilettos on a gym floor.

Both are a well known No-No.

R367 photo shows that her chin has clearly been contoured too.

Things I learned today: apparently Gillian Anderson has a clothes line and MM wore her coat to the Invictus Games.

And "American-accented" Gillian Anderson is actually referred to as British! And she switches accents easily.

In the pics at R307 MeAgain displaying her sense of 'subtlety' as usual -

The model of the baggy white shirt she wore at the Toronto Invictus Games, last year, when she made her first appearance as Dim's GF was called " Husband ". Chosen by JessM, natch,

and now the black jeans she's wearing are by the brand " Mother ".

Just a coincidence, of course.

Gillian Anderson lived in Grand Rapids, MI when she was young. My boyfriend knew her back in the day. She would spread her legs to anyone she thought would get her somewhere, which in Grand Rapids isn't far. She was snotty because her family was also based in London, or so she said. Total bitch too. Maybe MM has some things in common with her.

[quote] She was snotty because her family was also based in London, or so she said. Total bitch too. Maybe MM has some things in common with her.

She's certainly has acquired a whole new set of airs now that she's in England. She's also touchy about beeing called out for her fake British accent (2:00 minutes).

You all probably already know this, but the king and queen of The Netherlands are going to be paying a State Visit. There’s going to be a white tie gala on Tuesday night, and chatter is that King Willem Alexander will have been vested with The Garter, and the fabulous Queen Maxima will be wearing a 40 carat diamond which dates from the time of Queen Mary II, not seen in public since 1972. Meghan and Harry are going to miss this grand occasion. Coincidence?

Beggin Bargain, Duchess of Merching.

I never thought Harry was this phony until he got with her. Most of you might trash her which she rightfully deserves but Harry is no better.

Wiki - 'In November 2010, Gillian Anderson portrayed Wallis, Duchess of Windsor in Any Human Heart – a television adaptation of William Boyd's novel of the same name.'

MeAgain was wearing a coat last night from Anderson's newly launched clothing line... will the Wallis aura (muse?) inspire her? Once can only hope.

Is Anderson's new Winser brand going to be MeAgain's British designer? They really do have so much in common, R375 .

R377 These things are scheduled SO far in advance, like a year plus, I doubt it is deliberate. Just as well though, seeing what we are seeing re: MM's style of comportment.

I wonder if Kate is finally going to get the family order in time for this visit (if she is even attending). It is embarrassing she doesn't have it yet, especially when you see her in group photos, as she is the only senior royal without the sash. 11 (?) years in and 3 sprogs later, still nada. I think HM is forcing the issue until she steps up her engagements.

R285, It's just that except for very recently, William has had his jaw clenched whenever he was with Kate. Plus, he never offered his arm as she walked in heels down marble steps. Never smiling.

Now, post-Meghan and post-Louis, William has even been photographed semi-holding his wife's hand as it rested on his thigh!

I noticed that too r382. I'm surprised they haven't put out a new photo of Louis during this trip.

R377 There is no Queen Mary II unless you are referring to the ocean liner. These state visits are scheduled years in advance. Why would the presence or otherwise of the 6th in line to the throne be a consideration?

[quote] I'm surprised they haven't put out a new photo of Louis during this trip.

Not [italic]their[/italic] style though is it?

It is actually r385. When they needed a bit of a PR boost, out would come a new photo of George, and later, Charlotte. That's why I've been wondering if Louis has horns or something. We due for one.

384 I would LOVE it if they had a state dinner for the QEII! Seating might be a bit tricky, but I'm sure something could be arranged.

As an article pointed out, the rules are all made up. Nobody has actually verified that the rules are the rules. Because Kate wears neutral polish people have decided it's one of the Queen's rules. Because Kate generally wears dresses to events that are non-sporty, people have decided the queen prefers dresses. Apparently the queen is very particular about attire but not at all particular about grifting crooks making bank by breaking the ACTUAL rule against profiting from being a royal.

Sorry r384, the above was obviously for you

The releases of photographs of the children have been extremely sparing, usually around birthdays or at Christmas. William hates the press.

Markle sunbathed in the Greek sun topless and with no protection on her face. Yes, the melanin in her skin means she'll damage her skin less than if someone very fair skinned did too much sunworshipping (Diana went from porcelain to ruddy by the end of her life), but she will get moles and marks, roughness and wrinkles.

No, R382, William did NOT have his jaw clenched whenever he was with Kate. It was always obvious they enjoyed each other's company and had a loving relationship. The two of them always seemed sensitive to each other and in sync. Of course they were grown-ups, not juvenile, so perhaps it doesn't count unless one puts on a show. They are clearly very happy and always have been even before Markle showed.

Kate probably doesn't want an order at this time. And she does the engagements Her Majesty wants her to do. It's not like HM wants her to do stuff and she doesn't.

As has been said a million times, her main job was to be the anti-Diana, which she has been. She came into William's life VERY shortly after the death of his mother. Her main job was to create a happy marriage where his parents were unhappy, to be mature and caring where his mother was histrionic and seeking the spotlight for herself. Her main job is to keep William happy and raise a happy family - let's hope better than the one the queen raised, or Charles raised.

Actual studies have been done as to whether royal engagements raising the profile of various charities and organizations make a difference. The conclusion is they don't. However, they keep on because the theory that it does is what keeps the BRF in business. It's that and pretending tourism depends upon their existence. This "work" shit is shit, though. Everybody knows it's nonsense. The only reason people want Kate to work is they want her to "perform" work. It, too, is bullshit. They hate the idea of her sitting home, happy and with her family, and not paying the penance of coming out in public and putting herself on display. There is no ACTUAL work. It's just some sections of the public wanting her to "earn" her way and by that they mean, displaying herself to them so they can critique her.

[quote]they were grown-ups, not juvenile

Correct. Whatever else people may say about William and Kate (that they're boring, etc.), their maturity is indisputable. And it's a rare quality these days.

BRF fandoms are exactly like every other online fandom, but most especially soap opera fandoms. Soap opera fandoms are a collection of cultists who focus on one actor or couple, plan writing campaigns, cultivate the actor's reps, etc. Meantime the actors and couples who appeal to the general audience do not have a cult following that obsesses over them. They have a broad following, and when they are featured, the ratings are good. Cult followings don't really influence ratings, but they can sure screw with a show.

So, here are MY anecdotes. I came into work this past spring and a colleague told me Kate had had her baby. I said "Oh, boy or girl?" and she said "boy." . That was it, no more chatting, but obviously her alert had told her, and she shared it with me. Meghan and Harry's wedding came and went with no awareness whatsoever from her, but while she is not a "fan" I know my colleague think William and Kate are cute and good royals. Then a year before that, also at work, in a context I have forgotten, a guy in the office said, "Oh the one with the hot wife?" about William.

I used to belong to a fandom about something completely different than the royals, but whenever William and Kate would be doing something fun, like the Harry Potter visit or the Canadian tour, there would be a digression as pics and gifs were shared, particularly of Kate rolling her eyes when she was told to "keep wrapping." People thought she was adorable.

Kate and William are very popular. Harry was never the most popular. Harry, however, has the cult following that is rabid and will make sure his metrics are high. Kate and William appeal to the general public who are not fanatics. That's a bigger and more significant group.

One reason Harry HAS a cult following is he cultivates it. He knows what is "charming" about him and is just as conscious of it as Meghan tries to be with what Meghan thinks is her charm. But people persist in thinking he is nothing but a spontaneous darling who is one of the people at heart.

Which stupid cunt here is challenging me that there was no Queen Mary II????

Mary II was the wife of King William III. She was the Stuart heir to the throne after the Glorious Revolution, she was the rightful heir but she reigned as co-regnant with her husband.

What a stupid cunt.

A certain Chatty Cathy needs to be posting in a different thread

OMG R379, I completely agree.

I think people dismissed the idea that Harry was no better, because he was very expressive and such a BOY, even when after he hit his 30s. Look at the shit he got away with because it's just dear sweet Harry. Accounts of his cheating on Chelsey and his high handed behavior with Cressida were just written off. A lot of people thought Cressida would just march on up the aisle because it's Harry. *I* personally thinks she never ever looked into him but did want the elevated profile to help her acting career, so she put in her two years and pulled the plug.

Then Harry did all his gallivanting around with Kate and William, like their little mascot. But I well believe he's a spoiled baby eaten up with jealousy, knows he can't compete with them on substance, but believes working the celebrity angle will give him a boost. He also thinks he may not be book smart but he's street smart, which in hindsight, now that Markle is here, is one of the funniest things ever. What a laugh. I also think some people think he is mortified by Markle, and they fail to notice that he enables the shit out of her, lets her run things (because God forbid he take ANY responsibility and at least she has no problem taking the reins) and has begun to dabble in a little merching himself. One thing that made me think Harry was up his own ass is a gif of him looking up into a camera lens and winking. That is so ordinary for a regular celebrity we don't make much of it, but for a royal to do it is very show business and also means he's marketing himself. He messed up because instead of getting a savvy actress he got a transparent wannabe and self-parody. He would be fine with her fakery if she were good at it or even if she were bad at it but people bought it.

R396 We will make sure both are invited to the state dinner. Oh, dear...the seating is getting even trickier, but we will get it sorted, no fear!

[quote]Most of the people who think William HAS to love some other woman and settled for Kate just can't see what it is that would make Kate appealing, so they insist it must be another woman he truly loves. Those people are hopeless.

In discussing Jecca and her influence, it doesn’t mean Kate isn’t appealing or that William doesn’t love her. Don’t be so obtuse. Of course he loves Kate, he married her, made her future Queen Consort and had three kids. She’s done fine.

Similarly who says William & Jecca were romantic, or by extension she and Kate were rivals? More likely, as said upthread, she was an unobtainable figure to William in his teens, but the relationship grew from crush to admiring friendship.

None of that was the point. It was that Jecca was and is much more than a “wing man” at a birthday party; she’s one of his oldest standing friendships and a continuing huge influence. He just attended her wedding a few years ago, in Kenya no less; he skipped his cousin’s wedding to attend her brother’s. It’s she and her family that have driven William’s interest and passion re illegal wildlife trade. He’s even helped set up her husband’s conservation initiatives (google him).

It’s an ongoing influence for him. It has nothing to do with whom he married. It also shows that William has better taste in female companions/friends than his brother will ever have.

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Hello R395 - I’m the stupid cunt who you think challenged you re “Queen Mary II”. You are a very angry little person, aren’t you? Please fill me in- what’s the 40 carat diamond which HM Queen Máxima will be wearing next week? And in which format? Tiara? Ring? Pendant? Stomacher?

I’m curious...

What's this shit about "I'm American, I hug."

Really? From where in America? I'm American - I don't hug people I don't know. Most people I know don't hug people they don't know.

holy shit r402, not r395 but are you saying the Stuart tiara is coming out of mothballs? Maxima will be wearing it -?

To those not in the know, that tiara is the Tiara of Royal Tiaras. Huge, with a shitload of diamonds. Beatrix hated wearing it because it was heavy and gave her headaches, but Maxima has no such qualms about huge jewels. Only thing is, she already wore it recently to a state trip to Luxomburg (see link).

Should point out in my post above at r404, the recent wearing of the tiara as shown in the link doesn't include the massive 40 carat Stuart diamond mounted on top. A smaller one was substituted for that wearing.

see the link here for blinding photos, and an explanation:

should also correct Luxomburg = Luxembourg.

R400, are you missing the point deliberately? Other than your opinion that Jecca was "unobtainable" for him, for which there is no evidence, there is no real disagreement. As well Jecca comes from the kind of family that is advantageous to have - for example, Kate and William were on retreat on her family property when they still controlled it.

However, and as you know but are ignoring, in many quarters Jecca is the club to beat Kate with, the one William wanted, the one he still wants, his "Camilla". Don't spin it that that's not true. If you truly have the viewpoint you've described, than you are not who my post was addressing. My post addressed the gazillion royal forum participants who think William ended up with Kate when he couldn't get whatever the ex du jour may be turned him down. I am challenging the assertions that are behind these claims - that Kate is basic, that she can't "Compete" with Jecca, Isabella or Arabella, all of whom they are sure are more fascinating, fun an interesting than Kate despite a complete lack of evidence, all of whom are on par or less than on par than Kate in the looks department (certainly Jecca is in the body department and she and Isabella are such different types it can be argued Isabella isn't William's type, but more Harry's).

If that's not you there's no point in your addressing my post. I'm not challenging your opinion. I'm refuting bullshit that is put out by others.

COMMON and pervasive bullshit put out by others and if you pretend not to know that you are being disingenuous. so don't give me obtuse shit when you are pretending to be obtuse yourself.

Moving on:

I believe Markle is shunned because the family and friends are well aware she is a user, does not care to actually be friends but only wants the appearance of approval to spotlight herself; they know she's looking for a shot she can promote, they know if they conversationally advance beyond the polite convo she had with Princess Anne at the wedding ("Yes, big dogs are big, and medium dogs are quite medium") she will use it against them and sell the info since she makes up shit and sells it already.

As to denying that she's ignored, she was not at Balmoral this summer because she was not welcome, and "Duchess Meghan" would have loved that credential. It's obvious that "Duchess Meghan" is the brand she is developing.

well r407, if your post wasn't to address me, then you shouldn't. But you did, off topic in a Sparkles thread (I'm off -t as well).

Sure there's been ink devoted to the iffy if not factually false "Kate vs Jecca" narrative. They're royal and royal-adjacent, so people talk. We talk about Hazzy & Sparks here - 6000+ posts worth. Lots of gossipy bits.

What I challenge is your notion that Jecca existed only as some kind of 'cover' for Will & Kate's romance. Please. You're reducing a key formative relationship of William's, one still influencing him today. A simple 'wing man' isnt guest of honor at a huge public 21st party because the gf is too shy, or 100s of hours spent at her family's spot in Kenya (many without Kate) simply an 'advantageous' private hideout. He has plenty of other wealthy pals with estates he could hide out at. Is all his illegal trade work and backing of Jonathan Baillie an accident?

You've reduced a decades-long friendship of the future King to some kind of retro, cat-fighty competition between his friend and wife. Because both are women -? A grown man can't have a wife and a close female friend -? One relationship can't coexist with the other? Not sure what to say to that.

R383 - I think you are correct. It is why I have such ambivalent feelings toward the monarchy. On the one hand is a sense of connection to history and tradition, and on the other is the inescapable conclusion that this show is well past its sell date, and once the Queen goes, most of what we respected about it will go with her.

As I believe I said once on one of the earlier threads, modern royalty sits between the horns of a mighty dilemma: royalty is based on the concept of inherent and superior difference (blue blood). This would never have survived modernity in the West (and indeed did not in some places) - so it was softened into "constitutional" or "representational" monarchy. This allowed those who did survive to hold onto their privileges whilst embracing a more democratic veneer.

Part of that veneer is the increasing marriages of royals to commoners. But the catch is, if anyone can marry in and suddenly become "royal", then there really is no inherent difference, so why keep up the facade of needing them? And, as I also pointed out earlier, Mehan Markle is the poster girl for "anyone". A divorced, nearly middle-aged, American, D-list biracial actress with a dodgy family and an undoubtedly "loose' past . . . and suddenly she has HRH in front of her name and people curtsy to her?!

The veneer with the entry of people like Meghan Markle gets that much thinner. It remains to be seen how long it takes for the penny to drop at last.

And, as I also said upthread, once Britain gets a written constitution and (as I believe will occur), the peerage system is written out of it, the monarchy will be on a very lonely branch indeed.

Meghan Markle is draining the last dregs of a cup of unearned privilege, I believe. She should enjoy it while it lasts.

I wish the Swedish royals were more popular in the US. Of course they have people who follow them on various royal forums who have VERY STRONG OPINIONS on their choice of spouse. As ever on these places, the actual royal,if male, can be middling looks or worse, a mediocre intellect, AND have a trashy past, and it's ok. God forbid the bride doesn't have advanced degrees, isn't sufficiently younger, isn't extremely well bred (i.e., rich), and hasn't spent her pre-prince days doing nothing but cultivating their intellect.

That said, the Swedish royals are not shy about really doing it up with BIG prints and lots of colors and hats - just royal-ing it all out. Not at all trying to be chic, even though the clothes are known labels and expensive. But the look is extravagant. All three of the "younger" royals appear to have found actual soulmates, with two out of three finding love among the hoi polloi. But at least their regular folk type spouses are Swedish. Princess Madeleine married a financier who also clearly appears to come from family money (his mama dated Prince Charles at one point) and the guy is global - some kind of Austrian/Brit hybrid. They recently moved to Florida which has Swedish royal watchers up in arms. How DARE princess Madeleine live abroad and retain her princess title, and have her children retain THEIR titles.

All the kids are too young for these things to be absolutely settled but people are in high dungeon anyway.

Seems to me it's similar to Kate. It doesn't matter, but if you're going to be lucky enough to be a princess and a royal, you have to get out there and display yourself to the public, and how can Madeleine do that in Florida? If she doesn't go on display, she should lose her title!

Why don't royal critics admit that by "work" they mean get out of bed, get dressed, walk around in front of citizens and let the citizens issue their opinions on how you look and how you handle yourself? And admit there is no other social value they're seeking from the "work" than that?

R409 clearly you are invested in Jecca and Will, so much that you have claimed I've done stuff I've never done. *I* am challenging the notion that she's his great love. Clearly his attachment is also to her family. I have NEVER said someone cannot be friends with a woman and have a wife they love, in fact my posts have refuted that.

The birthday party situation has been played as an insult to Kate when it was no such thing. Kate has never shown an appetite for degradation, and as Will's girlfriend she would not show up to the birthday party to have him say, "I'm spotlighting Jecca, who I can't have, over you. You're my girlfriend but will never be a patch on her. Come anyway, won't you darling?" And she did. That is how that birthday party has been portrayed.

We will never know how the Craigs have helped Will (and Kate, when she became part of the equation) but it is a longstanding affiliation which is why I think the supposed scandal over will attending the wedding is nonsense. And I also believe is Jecca WERE a girlfriend she would not have the place of honor as that is a stressful place for the girlfriend to be, as the prospect of it threw Cressica and Harry's relationship into crisis. But as a longstanding friend it was perfect for her and also protected Kate from the even more intense scrutiny.

I am not minimizing what you assert I am minimizing, so I'd ease up if I were you, but there is also no evidence that she is some "one that got away."

R402, please admit that you didn’t know that there were two Queen Regnants named Mary.

Queen Beatrix never wore the Stuart diamond. The last time it was worn was by Queen Juliana, grandmother to the current king. Beatrix allegedly got headaches from tiaras, and avoided the Stuart. Maxima has worn the tiara setting in a modified form, but not the actual diamond. If she wears it it will be a big deal among jewel watchers.

The reality is that NONE OF YOU ARE WITTY or ORIGINAL! Gays would at least be witty, if not side splitting, screen spitting funny and TRULY BITCHY! . YOU PEOPLE, NOPE ….Pointless bitchery, NO!!!! Not this thread,. Same shit, same 5 posters speaking to themselves. "Merching, merching, merching…. tendrils, weave, skinny calves" Ok we get it! What else ya got??? I don't think this thread is populated by gays. I think you ALLL ARE A BUNCH OF BITTER FRAUS and SAD, LEFT ON THE SHELVES PAST YOUR SELL BY DATES. Look if she did it at 36, there MAY be hope for you gals too. Keep Hope Alive!

And yes, she's phony, ruthless and a social climber, SO?

Oh fuck off r412 give it a rest. Tiresome and threadjacking. No one has to 'ease up' on you or anyone here, it's an anti-sugar thread and about SPARKLES anyway. Sugars be cunts.

Right, R413, so you didn’t answer my question.

Looking forward to seeing what diamond in which setting Max wears in London next week!

R414 I am not a frau, but a wise and wizened eldergay. I agree that the same criticisms over and over are getting tedious, and that we could and should do better. Maybe we need to stop going for the low hanging fruit and try a bit harder to be witty. That said, take a Xanax, have a drinkie-poo and calm the fuck down.

Gentle reminder to our tiara admiring tasteful friends. If it isn't sitting on MM's noggin, the discussion does no't belong here. Please take it to the BRF thread, or perhaps create a tiara appreciation thread. Thank you in advance.

Hear hear r418. Here's the link to the current ongoing thread for royal gossip and discussion:

r417. I am calm. I just think if you're going to wring a dragging for 16 parts, at least make it worthy of DL. This is a waste of bandwidth past the for 100 posts. But, carry on if you much. I'll see my way out quietly.

[quote] What's this shit about "I'm American, I hug."

Thank you, R403.

That quote is more bullshit from Sparkle.

What she really means, is that she grew up in Hollywood, she think like someone who is from Hollywood, and in Hollywood, home of the phoniest of phonies, they all hug each other.

Friend or foe hugs galore. In fact, downright enemies hug.

So, beware if Sparkle hugs you.

It doesn't mean what you think in means.

In fact, it might be quite dangerous.

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R207 called it yesterday! Thanks for posting this r422. I wonder if she really wanted to rest (she was looking pretty miserable for a while there) or someone told her she had to let Harry fly this one solo?

Hmmm.... not just the one engagement it sounds like either after reading the whole article. Why does this feel more like a ploy on her part than orders from headquarters?

"One source told Mail Online it wasn't that the duchess was feeling ill, but that they were trying to 'pace' her given how many engagements they have coming up."

She was bored.

Harry may well be relieved to have the use of both his arms.

Maybe he can get the circulation moving again since the Gripper has taken a break.

SSAA! Too much yoga at 4 am, methinks.

She's meeting Jessica to discuss fashion for the remainder of the visit. Simple Stuff.

lmao r425. So true.

She sounds like a pre-schooler r424. Not sick but needs 'pacing', because god help her she gets too worn out or agitated by all the pre-planned activities.

I see Dad Markle did another interview today, with the Fail. New photos too. She must have needed her smelling salts after that.

Nobody "wants" Harry, you asinine Sugar. Nobody. That's how he ended up with Sparkle.

"Jealous" is the most impoverished riposte on earth. Why are we not jealous of Kate? Of Madeleine? Of a gazillion other good looking women born to more advantages than the average person gets, who manage to marry some eligible guy with money and position? This happens every day without people mocking them. You must think Harry is just the hottest, sexiest, BEST guy on earth if you think Smeggy bashers want Harry for themselves? Really? Thin lips, ski nose, very close set eyes, brillo hair, pasty skin, drunk and dimwitted? Seriously? This is is all fantasy. Would people who comment on the famous honestly pick Harry to be jealous of when there are so many other better looking and richer men whose girlfriends and wives we can hate?

I think you are the one who wants Harry and you are proving your worth to him by supporting his wife. In your fantasy life, Meghan and Harry benignly fall apart while he recognizes you as the mature person who didn't attack his spouse and now he is looking at you with new eyes.

You know there are other "elite" guys around apart from Harry, right? And yet people are not "jealous"? But the reason Smegala is attacked is "jealousy?" That doesn't work when it's broken down.

[QUOTE] Madeleine

Who? The Swedish princess? Born royal, blonde, and beautiful. Megxit and Kate can’t even hold her tampons.

There is nothing to discuss re fashion except:

How are the lips? Need another injection or are we good? Oh, let's just do another! More is more!

How does my glow look? OMG I love this palette! Let's layer on some more.

As for clothes, clearly they are not discussed at all since they are all the same muted colors, most of them are alike, and few of them fit. She never cared before; there is nothing to discuss now.

Exactly who are you talking to r429? the 'r' reference is your friend.

This is a bearding relationship, not some torrid romance.

I knew it, R423! There was no way in hell she was going to let this tour pass without an obvious sympathy grab. Yesterday was her version of the scratchy little cough you start faking on Thursday morning when you know you're going to call in sick on Friday.

One thing I will say for her, when she sees an opportunity she hops on and rides it as far as it will carry her. Now she's back for lunch with the Scott Morrison and she'll get nothing but praise for struggling through her terrible illness. And so it will go for the rest of the tour.

Saint Doria didn't raise any fools: Don't bother showing up for those Invictus athletes, Flower; they can't do anything for you. But don't you dare blow off the Prime Minister!

She's so transparent. Kate was hospitalized without fanfare for her morning sickness. Not to be outdone, Bean is going to give hers the full telenovela treatment.

^^I should have added that this"pacing" BS appears to be another way of saying...

I'm fine. I feel fine. I just need to slow down a bit because I've only slept for two hours and I've vomited on an off for eight. Oh, and I haven't eaten for three days and it's 50/50 whether water will stay down. But, please, don't worry about me. I'll be fine. My people are waiting. I must not let them down. By the way, it's normal to vomit blood, isn't it?

[QUOTE] Kate was hospitalized without fanfare for her morning sickness.

Literally TONS of fanfare. Are you kidding? Seriously, are you kidding?

I’m not sugar either, but Kate’s morning sickness dominated the news cycle.

The news treatment of Kate's hospitalization was hardly her decision. It's not like she was merching puke.

You can merch puke? Asking for a friend.

[QUOTE] The news treatment of Kate's hospitalization was hardly her decision.

This post was written with a sniff, with a small Poodle sitting on his lap.

If that makes you feel better, R439, feel better. You feeble little thing.

Jesus H Christ, everything she does is beyond asshole.

R439 made me laugh out loud.

Those boxy blazers are doing nothing for her, except to further accentuate the narrowness of her pins. And those stilletoes with the bow on the back - I find them abhorrent with dresses let alone skinny jeans. And I wish she'd embrace using a clutch, yhe totes and handbags she selects are just so irrelevant.

The*

I want her to get horrendously fat and misshapen and tragically unsexy forever.

There is quite an eyeful of her breast in the Ivict polo. She is allergic to that 2nd button. So trashy, along with the hooker shoes that look like they are from Payless. She needs a FAR better hairdresser, fake hair is common, no need for hers to look so ratchet.

Which pic, r446?

She has on the black polo and white blazer, R447.

Re the Swedish royals - most of the rest of Europe's royals are little known in America - I doubt Americans care any more about Mary and Frederik, Haakon and Mette-Marit (speaking of "anyone" getting in), Willem and Maxima, Philippe and Mathilde (Belgium), or the Grand Dukes of Luxembourg and Lichtenstein.

Madeleine herself, in an interview a couple of years ago, admitted with only a small smile of embarrassment, that her life was a golden one: none of the responsibility of her oldest sibling (Crown Princess Victoria, who I believe is affectionately viewed by the Swedes), lots of money, and the freedom to live her life in a cocoon of wealth and comfort. I would opine that she is would be as useless in Sweden as in Florida.

That brings us back to the BRF and the danger of a system proliferating in HRHs. In that regard, in todays TIMES (UK - times.co.uk) there is a prominent piece above what would be the fold in paper titled, "No Royal Role for Meghan's Baby" - the article states without any particular source that HazBean are considering going the Pss. Anne-Mark Phillips route and allowing their children to be Mr and Miss So and So, so they can have a "normal life". And that "at this time there are no plans to give the new baby a title".

Personally, I cannot imagine Meghan agreeing to NO titles for her children - marrying Harry was pure social climbing on her part, I have no doubt about that, and royal children are part of that plans. What I am wondering is whether there have already been some private conversations in which HM and Charles have already raised the topic of HRHs with H&M, and the reluctance to keep spreading the circle of same out, and H&M are getting ahead of the issue with a leak about how uninvested they are in their royal status - when the time comes, if the HRH really isn't being granted by the Queen, they can graciously accept the Lord and Lady one to please HM, otherwise they would absolutely have gone the Zara and Peter Phillips route.

Watch this space.

Someone upthread called this correctly

R450 I'm certainly no fan of her but the first few months of pregnancy can be tough.It's not like she's actually doing any work so she can take some time off.

Agree, R451, but someone upthread speculated she was looking quite bored.

Harry alone at IG keeps more of a focus on the Games, as it should be, rather than them pawing each other in a disinterested way.

I believe it is quite likely that she is in a rx with her stylist, breaks also give them time to visit properly.

R433 that is a theory I am very open to. The BRF is LGBTQ friendly but it does not extend to admitting senior members of the BRF are gay. Particularly as the most ardent monarchists tend to be Brexit types who love all things traditional, have defended their bigotry by saying they want to preserve their culture, and just really prefer the fantasy era when everybody was straight and white.

No, nobody has seen any pics of Harry frolicking with dudes since Vegas, but nobody has seen anything but PR sanctioned pics of Harry of any kind since then, and we know he's partied his ass off at various Maisons du Soho. When Markle is with men she is relating to the camera only; when she is with Jessica Mulroney she has that flush to her where she's looking at the camera but the eyes are a bit dreamy and glazed over, and the two of them are glued to each other. Not to mention the entire mirror image thing.

Thomas Markle with his little Bean.

Getting back to the lack of a Balmoral visit. That seems like it would be a very strong message, like way overkill at this point. I believe the way it works is, the queen requests their presence through an invitation by her private secretary. The invitation would not be issued if there was a chance of it being turned down. So Harry and MM had put it out that their summer was already booked on those dates? Shouldn't they have been willing to cancel their own plans if the queen wanted them to visit? How many more summers at Balmoral will she be having?

I know Diana bailed on those visits early on but she was married to the heir and already had given birth to t he next one so her position was more secure (at that point).

Tom has resurfaced to say that he raised Meghan from 12-18.

It is clearer by the day that she used up all of his money and when she made it "big" she ghosted his ass.

The couple were out on the water. Now, that must have been good for a pregnant woman. Not.

Has Harry missed summer visits in past years, R455?

If she is unwelcome in private residences, per the Charles story, it may be that they were NOT invited.

I think what is more likely that Harry was simply not invited. Particularly since Meghan LOVES to tick off the royal boxes. The Wimbledon attendance with Kate. The "Just me and my new BFF, the queen" on an engagement (which included the royal train!). The solo appearance. And now the tour. Meghan "Now that I'm "Duchess Meghan" and "a member of the royal family" would like nothing more than to be seen in a car with a lap robe over her knees returning from church. They were not asked. Just as I believe Harry is spending 99% of his time at the Soho Farmhouse versus Nott Cott, because Megsy is not welcome within the walls of Kensington Palace and you can't watch her every fucking second, so the Cotswalds it is. Shit, when she had her cookbook event in Kensington Palace gardens an aerial view shows that they were banished to the outmost perimeter of the place and practically set up in a neighboring yard, instead. Plus they arrived by car. Yes, the grounds are nice and big, but come on.

Sugars should just deal with the obvious fact the BRF doesn't like her.

R456 Confirmed: SSAA and always has been.

Even when she's pacing herself, she can wear those stilettos.

Now that Megsy is pregnant, let us guess her next round of blind items. I suspect she will "leak" that George and Charlotte are horribly behaved children, that Kate can't cope, that William is at his wit's end, and he thinks perhaps three children are too much for them as a family. Meghan, who is having a blissful time with her newborn - a complete natural, she is - would be happy to help Kate out/offer counsel, because she's a very generous woman, but Kate has too much of a chip on her shoulder to accept.

The Invictus sailing event (click for more pics). Even on a boat, she's Mrs. Clingon. Don't forget those American hugs too!

The motion of the boat probably did her in.

The clip at r457, he's shaking everyone's hands, only one person takes hers. Someone asks Harry if he brought his mascot (? Not clear if that is a reference to MM!)

What would be a brilliant PR move on HazBean's part, R449, is if they accept HM not making an exception (at this time) to bestow the title of prince/princess upon their spawn with the understanding that once Charles ascends the throne by virtue of being grandchildren of the sovereign (through a male line no less) they are automatically recognized as prince/princess of the realm and formally stylized as such. Optics make them appear to be oh so modest and unassuming, when they know endgame they aren't missing out on a damn thing! And then, with so much attention paid to the pomp of a new monarch, the beginning of a new royal era, Edward presumably acquiring the Duke of Edinburgh title, William to be investitured as Prince of Wales... who is going to quibble about the 6th/7th in line to the throne's children simply being stylized appropriately? Win win for the HazBeans.

A sideshow to this Hazbeen circus are the royal fans who want to excuse Harry while continuing to hate Meghan. The most fantastical theory among this group are those who believe Harry sacrificed himself "for his family" while having done nothing wrong himself. This Harry is a vet-loving, kid-adoring, deeply sensitive lad who is clearly in extreme pain over the sacrifice he has made, needing to act as if he cares about a woman he loathes, but the BRF is "working on it" and will set things right any day now.

The second group is sex-obsessed. One thinks they have not had much sex themselves (among this crowd are those who wonder if Kate had sex with anyone else before meeting Prince William, since she is such a decent sort). This is a group who understands sex in soap opera terms. A glamorous, somewhat threatening or sultry looking "exotic" woman is BOUND to have more sex magic than a nice pretty girl. Get a man in the bedroom with one of these hussies and he becomes helpless and transfixed by her sex magic because that is how men are. One of these dark arts is the blow job. OMG, the magic blow job that can transform a girl from a d-lister to a princess. This is not a trick every woman employs in her dark sex web, but for those who live in shadow-land, the blow job is the sorcery employed to put a man at her mercy. That is what happened to poor Prince Harry. Perhaps one day he will be able to free himself from the blow job web, but for now, he is blind and his brain is stunned.

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R462 She’ll probably go more Serena Williams/Keira Knightley route: “Motherhood is hard work! I nearly died having my daughter! Blood, tears, stitches everywhere! Being a mom is a full-time job!”

^ Good. Then we'll see less of her.

I wonder if she now makes J-assica and Serena and Oprah curtsy and do the Ma'am thing in private?

I'll bet she really misses social media now. Before she met Harry, she probably dreamed of posting every minute of her pregnancy online. After she gives birth, she'll be even more insufferable. When she does manage to turn her engagements into speaking gigs, she'll overuse the phrase, "As a mother..."

A request to people posting on here who continue, even after much complaint by DL members, to use the term "sugar or sugars"--ridiculously immature slang used to describe rabid fans of Will and Kate, or Harry and Meghan (as well as others.)

This is not Royal Dish, or, god forbid, Tumblr. The DL motto might be pointless bitchery, but we still have standards. While we have to accept that these threads are frau-nip, please remember you are posting on a board with a very different culture than you are used to. Respect the DL culture as you would if you were visiting a foreign land, and in doing so, please refrain from using slang that is not welcome here.

Thank you in advance.

You are full of shit, Sugar. Sorry you are so oversensitive but you really need to rein in the pomposity considering your stupidity is on display whenever you post.

Oh, and btw, LIAR Sugar, NOBODY uses "Sugars" for fans of Kate and Will or for anyone but fans of Sparkle, our own little Bean.

R474 is not only a TRIGGERED frau but absolutely incorrect! Go back way in time before we ever knew about Sparkle's existence (such a fine time, such a happy time!). Google around for some of the more sycophantic royal forums and fan sites from years ago. Your sheltered little self will be in for a shock.

Why is "sugar" used only for Meghan stans but not for stans of Madonna, Mariah, Beyonce, etc.?

Sugars is a usefully condescending and indicative description of those three tonne wonders in Walmart wear, slathering over that arriviste.

In short, fuck off, control freak.

I hit block and what a surprise, the same Sugar talking to herself from different angles. First she's like - stop using Sugar! It ill behooves us as a DL, whether it is calling Kate and Will stans Sugars or calling meghan fans Sugars." Then she is informed that only Markle fans are called Sugars. In comes a post announcing this is not true, that it goes back to the archives with other celebs.

My favorite is everybody is calling Meghan fans sugars and this one bitch waltzes in and claims to be the arbiter of what is amusing or not.

Then comes a little innocent who asks - how come Sugar is used for MM and Harry but not for other celebs? I click "block" and lo, all of these posts disappear. The Little Sugar is sock puppeting.

William talked about how hard parenthood is about 1789 times.You'd think he gave birth to the 3 kids himself.I'm sure Meghan&Harry will complain a lot too.

Now R472 [italic][bold]really was [/italic][/bold]written with a sniff, with a small Poodle sitting on his lap.

R476 I think the term "sugar" is more of a UK thing, where "stans" is a US thing.

You are all humorless bores and it's a shame because Meghan Markle is ripe for bitchy over-analysing.

Thanks, R481. I find both terms annoying. Didn't Eminem coin the "stan" term about 15 years ago?

Hah! It was R480, I freely admit. And my wee Boo-boo is the best dog EVAH! Thanks for the smile.

Yes, R483 Eminem did coin that term. That it was 15 years ago makes me feel older than the eldergay I already am.

Subject at R471,

Your concern for my cerebral cacophany following the unjust theft of my social media platform has touched me to very depths of my lofty soul. Alas, it is time for you to suspire a sigh of relief.

Just between my and your self, I am already hard awork on the launch of my Royal Baby (dropping spring 2019). Just this waking morning I imbued unto the leaden skull of My Love the meretricious NEED for his communications secretary to disseminate a novella-length convectiture of the contemporaneous notes taken during my labour and delivery — this most inspirational of writings shall simply be called [italic]My Birth Story.[/italic]

Again, since this is just between my and your self, how I hope this contumacious little creation of mine, the “birth story,” becomes the rage of the birthing culture! These women; these mothers; they need me.

Namaste,

R486 Your Tig style writing skills are a thing of beauty. THIS is the delicious bitchery combined with imagination the Dangling Tendrils threads deserve. Not always the same repetitive stuff. I see r482 s point, though I don't think we are ALL humorless bores, but our beloved subject at hand deserves some harder hitting, more biting material.

^ Brilliant! R486 Hopefully Sparky, the vegetarian humanitarian, despite enjoying Roo on the barbie in OZ, will make her oh-so-special birthing experience a truly organic one, i.e., forego an epidural, and deliver naturally like most women on this planet. That might also help her take her Tig-gy vocabulary to new heights. Dim can do the journaling with his one free arm - assuming he's not passed out at her feet. Then there'll be hell to pay for going off script. Dim has so much to look forward to... she's only just begun to be a full fledged royal pain.

r488 see, that is the dichotomy with her. You just know she is going to Tig-talk the all natural, no epidural, laboring in a birthing pool in their cottage, while roasting a chicken experience. But you just know she's going to demand her own suite of rooms in the Lindo Wing, teams of specialists, and the whole posh enchilada.

R486 You are just so fucking good. I would read the shit out of a thread based on TED talks, only it would be Tig talks.

Pompous, hypocritical, misinformed, mangled word lectures/observations on any given subject. Presented by our one and only world renowned humanitarian, actress, meat eating vegan, stage 5 clinger, ghoster extraordinaire, inept dresser, I could go on...Duchess of Tendrils.

Everyone can play along!

R486 Ah ha! Imposter once more. HRH Tendril Coil Ringlet Curl, Duchess of Sussexxx is too exhausted to Tig-type. She's barely able to do her 4am yoga and cook banana bread.

R478 So many puppets, and only one puppetmaster. Just like the Punch & Judy Show.

Remarkable how many opposing view conversations disappear with 1 Block!

Thanks!

R492 - right?

Although I think the Sugar in question found a VPN.

[quote] if anyone can marry in and suddenly become "royal", then there really is no inherent difference, so why keep up the facade of needing them? And, as I also pointed out earlier, Mehan Markle is the poster girl for "anyone". A divorced, nearly middle-aged, American, D-list biracial actress with a dodgy family and an undoubtedly "loose' past . . . and suddenly she has HRH in front of her name and people curtsy to her?!

So? Charles and Camilla's first marriages ended in divorce and they're the future King and Queen. In fact, three of the Queen's four children are divorced. The Windsors could easily be described as a bit of a dodgy family - it's not like Meghan's the only one with a "loose" past! What have her age, or her nationality, or her race got to do with anything?

Subject at R489 —

Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, Amal Clooney, and my dear friend Malala Yousafzai have beneficently offered to serve as my doula coterie as I actualize new life. Thusly, it is entirely non sequitur for you to suggest that a mere suite of rooms could ever contain the the wealth of ambiance, love, and largesse with which I shall surround myself in my final moments of #EnceinteLife before joining the rare and sacred tradition of The Life Giver.

Yours,

R494 - You're missing the point: royals have always behaved badly. Henry VIII was divorced, too. But bad behavior with the pedigree isn't the same thing as bringing in someone with bad behaviour and no pedgigree. The whole point about royalty's inherent difference was about their moral fibre: it was about their royal blood.

Kind subject at R490 —

I tried. The otiose peasantry failed to bite.

Love and light,

I actually think behavior matters. The issue with Beano is not her private behavior. After Harry's antics be-Nazi-ing himself, his douche-baggery in Vegas which included public nakedness, really, a professional actress taking whatever jobs were on offer is not a big deal. If she yachted a little bit, well, she did what she had to do. This is not the problematic behavior. Sofia Helqvist, now Princess, was some type of glamour model (meaning naked), appeared on a reality show, and does not have the background many royal watchers think is appropriate for a hard partying trashy Prince of Sweden. Yet, they married. And who has behaved impeccably while dating and while married? Why, it is Princess Sofia. Her behavior, her clothes, her demeanor - everything she does is exemplary and shows she has truly transitioned to a new life whose traditions she respects, that if she is going to live on the Swedish dole in royal housing than by God she is going to dress in folk costume when required, see to her grooming, her posture, her manners, her JOB.

Then there's Meghan. You can take the girl out of the grifting, hustling, trashy swamp, but you cannot remove the grifting, hustling, trashy swamp from the girl. She has done nothing to royal herself up. She has behaved and continues to behave, like a fucking asshole. And THAT is why her past counts. Because she is still her past. She shits on the BRF both metaphorically and specifically, showing no respect for the idea of the institution AND shitting on a specific member, Eugenie, at Eugenie's wedding. Not to mention the blind items she makes up trashing every woman in the family that isn't her. Her blind items are either she is wisely offering advice and counsel to BRF, or no matter what you think, or they are not what they seem to be and are snobs, insecure in their marriages, flouting the law, or blah blah blah.

She's an asshole. She was an asshole when she was an "actress". She is still an asshole. That is why her past matters. Princess Sofia, with a somewhat trashy seeming past, is not an asshole.

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R496, I disagree. Royals behave badly in private. That doesn't matter so much as how they behave ON THE FUCKING JOB.

Sofia Helqvist makes many fans of the Swedish royal family foam at the mouth. Although her beloved husband, Prince Carl Phillip or whatever his name was, was a club kid, parties, and probably was naked where he shouldn't be, we all know the prospective fiancee' is not allowed to have done that sort of thing. But there are naked pictures of Sofia, she was on a reality show, she has tatoos. Difference being, when she became the fiancee', she rose to the occasion. Instead of acting like a trashy reality star that the Swedish royal family should be delighted had joined their family, she showed respect for the royal family and the job ahead of her by dressing appropriately, handling herself appropriately, whether it entailed putting on a folk costume or wearing hose and knee length suits wherever she went. She did it. Her grooming is terrific, her make-up harmonious with her clothing, her clothing appropriate for the circumstances, her comportant dignified, considerate, self-controlled.

Meghan shows you can come from a trashy, grifting, hustling background and become a duchess and while you can (presumably) take the duchess out of the grift, you can't take the grift out of the duchess. IOW, it is how Meghan BEHAVES, not how she behaves. Trashing her in-laws via blind items she makes up. Trying to upstage her husband's cousin with a sickeningly coy, mincing debut of an unnecessary maternity coat at the cousin's wedding. Merching her fucking ass off while wanting all of Britain to believe Charles has given her 2 million pounds for clothing in six months. Clinging, stroking, lingering onto her husband right in front of officials she's supposed to be greeting and respecting.

Those who think a royal wife needs to be sprung from nun school to be worthy of marrying a prince will never change their minds. But most other people will ignore someone's history if they show they've turned the page and respect where they are now. Meghan acts like a freaking whore. That is why her past matters.

R497 I remember that thread! I think it's because the Tig was so unknown at the time. Now that Dangling Tendrils has hit16 threads, and you are becoming a STAH! you could try again, but name the thread differently? Then again, you could just keep posting your gems here. Maybe that's the way to go after all. God knows the DT threads get the eyeballs. When things are unusually quiet around here, you could post some of your earlier gems from your Let's be the Tig thread. Jesus, I sound like your agent.

R497 No one does it as well as you do. You have a true *talent.* Your posts on this thread are like little twiglets of sparkle.

R500 - If you think royals have always behaved badly in private, you've clearly missed the 19th and early 19th centuries.

In point of fact, for a long time, that is MOSTLY where royal wives have sprung from. They were pawns in the geopolitical chessgames of Europe.

Then, in the late 19th century, as the menu of suitable princesses contracted, members of the landed aristocracy got in. Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, daughter of an earl, was the first commoner (anyone who isn't royal is technically a commoner) to marry that high up in the British royal family since Elizabeth Woodville snagged Edward IV and helped set aggravate the Wars of the Roses. And Bowes-Lyon married Prince Albert in 1923.

Who do you think Queen Victoria's children married? Eight of them married European princes and princesses of one degree or another. Who do you think her son and heir married 0 Princess Alexandra of Denmark. Who do you think her grandson, who would become George V married - Her Serene Highness Princess Mary of Teck. Who do you think George and Mary's children married? Hint: one married Wallis Simpson and lost his throne, his eventual replacement married the Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, daughter of the 9th Earl of Strathmore, and the two younger brothers married, respectively, Lady Alice Montagu Douglass Scott (under pressure from the family to break up Henry's relationship with Beryl Markham), daughter of the 7th Duke of Buccleuch, and the youngest, the bisexal Prince George of Kent married Princess Marina of Greece - who looked down her nose at the soon to be Queen Elizabeth, referring to her as "that common little Scottish girl".

Princess Margaret gave up a WWII RAF hero. Then Charles married another earl's daughter. They would NEVER have allowed William to marry Meghan Markle. Only Harry's distance from the throne made it possible. Kate Middleton would never have made it in one generation back.

My point, which you continue to miss, is about the fundamental idea of royalty, not about the comparative behaviours of various royal paramours and wives. My point is that for royalty across Europe now, the problem is to keep the privilege and deference associated with inherent difference going, while hoping no one notices that the foundation of the privilege and deference no longer exists.

And nothing demonstrates how hollow the concept of the term Your Royal HIGHNESS is than it suddenly applying to a trashy grifter from L.A.

he deference and privilege it carries going, while evading the question of why they merit the deference and privilege.

Anyone being able to become a royal duchess isn't an indication of the wonders of modern democracy. It's an indication that a gullible public doesn't understand the charade by which modern royalty gets to have its cake and eat it, too.

*missed the 18th and early 19th centuries.

So many jealous queens on this thread .

Crown Princess Mette Marit of Norway also rose to the occasion. She was a rave girl, fond of X and Molly, and a single mother, when she snagged the Crown Prince. She keeps her profile fairly low and works on behalf of world youth and HIV. She behaves appropriately and far as I can tell one of her few flaws is that she picks bad expensive dresses for formal events, baggy schmattes. But her daywear is usually perfect and classic, and she has a restrained taste in jewels. I think she won a lot of fans after the Norwegian massacre because her stepbrother was one of the many victims and she showed her emotions in all the public tributes.

Excellent posts from both r500 and r503. Thought-provoking. Proves these tendrils threads aren't all needless bitchery/cuntery.

r486 etc is a STAH. Love it, keep it coming.

So many people on this thread really feel it’s their duty to protect the British monarchy. Europe’s other monarchies don’t matter, but the mixed race chick does. Broaden your horizons, there’s a lot more interesting royal stories out there. Sofia of Sweden being a perfect example.

Nobody wants to be Monaco. A jumped up little place, resuscitated by Aristotle Onassis and featuring another American actress (albeit a better, more successful one than MM). For a while it seemed very glamorous but then it was wild child Stephanie's many marriages and children followed by Albert's bizarre wedding to the runaway bride. *That's* what everyone is trying to avoid.

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MARK THIS DAY! An outfit that at least from the snap r510 posted looks cute on her! Granted we can't see the shoes.

So typically Tig that she could climb from a Zodiac to a sailboat yesterday and go whale watching today but being driven on road with some bumpy areas to meet a group of Butchulla kids and elders was far too much for her.

The latest dress:

R512 I don't totally hate this dress, but dear god she's working the "look at my (invisible) bump" hand on belly, likely arching her back routine. Sorry to hear she had another "I'll pass on the part I don't want to do" attack. That said, and I hate sticking up for this grifter, depending on how bumpy the ride was, maybe she was advised not to risk it.

I hope she was wearing underwear lest the baby fall out.

Holy slits Batman! I totally take back what I said about not hating the dress r514 Tacky as fuck. She is hopeless.

As the sun goes down and the toilette water flows in the opposite direction to that of my beloved LA, I bid my obsequious prince good night and deflect on the past few days spent in the land down under. Like the national dish, kangaroo, I have leapt into people's hearts as they timorously embrace me as their luminary. Being American and indecently tactile, I have insisted on hugs for the most salient of occasions. I'm quite sure that the embryonic glow emanating from my womb is creating a warm ripple effect across these lands. The peons keep saying the name Zika to me, which my love and I consider to be a unique and irreverent moniker for our fainéant child. Well, dear reader, it's time for the fetus and I to rest our weary, bunioned feet and be fresh for the purported 4.30 yoga session I profess to perform.

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Harry has already seemed to indicate they're having a daughter. That's the worst case scenario for a narcissist like Sparkle. She won't want to share the attention with a little girl. Just look at Angelina Jolie...narcissist galore. She refused to dress Shiloh in dresses or anything feminine and dressed her in boys' clothes while growing up. Even Vivienne, Angie bitched about having a daughter who liked pink and pincessy things. Now Viv wears Shiloh's boy's hand me downs with a bad haircut to match. She's made sure her natural daughters will never be as beautiful as she is.

Meghan will do the same. Cause SHE is the star and will always be in her world. Sadly unlike Angie her daughters won't be stunners and will have Harry's ginger brillo hair and neither parent is a good combo for a good looking kid. The Cambridge kids will always be cuter and have more personality and more of a presence growing up knowing that they're in line for bigger things. Megs' sprog will be 7th in line and have no influence.

It’s funny that people are criticizing Merkle for wearing luxury brands. I remember Kate was pretty much hated upon arrival at places like Celebitchy for mixing high street brands and “recycling” (which meant wearing the same dress twice). People were accusing her of trying to be relatable and saying that they are not here for her Zara and thriftiness.

Celebitchy will hate Kate whatever she does, a bit like Meghan here.

You can't see my pussy, can you?

No? Are you sure?

Harry, block me so I can unbutton this button.

The polka dress is cute but Kate had the same polkas three days ago.

The white with black stripes beach dress is a fucking horror. She's a Royal and dresses like a hippie slut.

I don't get how Harry and her massive entourage let her dress like that.

And not even a sexy hippie slut. Just an unattractive, clueless hippie slut.

Those sandals are also a big NO NO for her.

Her angles are too tiny for large stripes of leather like that.

Why do so many of her clothes look like she got them at an outlet mall Gap?

And, who wears drab resort wear? You wear bright colors!

Does she avoid bright clothes because it's "too black" to like them? If she dresses like a drab little sparrow she'll seem more white?

She really is consistent in the awfullness of her fashion choices.

I think she just doesn't like bright colors.

She must think black, white, brown and navy are super classy.

r528 They are...if you wear impeccably tailored black, white, brown and navy clothing and not horrid cheap looking shit that doesn't fit properly.

Ohh, R520 What makes you think Harry has been signalling they are having a daughter? Spill, please! I have obviously missed it. I still can't believe she wore a dress with a slit up to her clit. Even for her, that is repulsive.

Jess, babe, you HAVE to get me out of this trip, like yesterday! I've been acting my ass off, arching my back and cradling my stomach but these people still expect me to, like, do stuff. I deserve a daytime Emmy for this. Today, right, I even had to wear these like gladiator sandals instead of my fave Aquazzuras, y'know, the ones that elongate my calves like you told me? The only good thing about this trip is all the free baby stuff I'm getting that I can sell later. How much do you think we'll get for the Akubra hat? Maybe Markus could like mount some of those stuffed marsupial things they keep giving me in one of the Soho houses? Harry keeps asking me if I'm out of debt yet, like hello, keep waving that Oura on your finger around and it'll be even quicker. He's what the English call a real, like, whinger. I don't know what he has to complain about - I'm the one that has to do all the acting and make like I'm in love with his balding head. I'm starting to get migraine from smiling at him. I can't even STAND redheads! And all he wants to do is watch BBC, which I found out is NOT the kind of BBC I'm used to ;) Gotta go babes, meeting some more backward Australian hicks and I need to prepare my lines and put on some more bronzer - you're SO right, it makes my cheeks totally pop on screen. Love Megs xx

I understand that the dress is not appropriate for a working royal to wear but the misogyny on this site is beyond gross.How do you think most women in Europe dress when it's hot?They do not wear long dresses with long sleeves.Women who wear skirts above their knees or show some skin are not "hippies or sluts".

Well done r531! Wow, that reads so real it is almost as creepy as it is entertaining!

[R514] LOL

[R516] You're hilarious. Excellent post. Bravo!

[R530] At some event in Australia, a guy yelled out to Prince Harry, "Congrats! I hope it's a girl" to which the ginger ninja apparently replied, "I hope so too".

Fuck off you dullard, wannabe, try-hard SJW frau at R532. Take it somewhere else. MM's clit slit dress is beyond inappropriate for any tourist, especially one in her new station on official duties.. Also, she's American, not European. No clue why Europe even is being mentioned in your tedious and misinformed complaint. If the "beyond gross" misogyny--as you wrongly perceive it--on this site disturbs you, why are you here? You sound young and uneducated. Please leave, and don't come back until you learn more about the world and gain a sense of humour. As I doubt that will happen, allow me to offer you a permanent "goodbye".

I never called her outfit appropriate for a royal.Young and uneducated?You couldn't be more wrong.I'm not a fan of swearing at strangers so goodbye to you too.

[quote]So many people on this thread really feel it’s their duty to protect the British monarchy. Europe’s other monarchies don’t matter, but the mixed race chick does. Broaden your horizons, there’s a lot more interesting royal stories out there. Sofia of Sweden being a perfect example.

You'll really try anything to deflect away from your heroine won't you? (The mixed race sulk gave it away. Have another tub of ice cream. Or scrap book for awhile. You're upset.)

Is Merchagain doing the funky chicken in R510?

Ain't no chicken funkier than that bitch.

She really looks sloppy (again) in that mattress ticking dress.

I think that pose is a mothering instinct R513. I’ve seen ladies with zero bumps announce they’re pregnant and already caressing their non-existent bumps. It must have served some purpose and we haven’t evolved out of it.

This fizzed-out slag could have access to Stevie Nicks's closet and she'd manage to find the chenille bathrobe and the wife beater. (Sorry, Stevie, for accusing you of having a chenille bathrobe OR a wife beater, but it's merely for the sake of argument.)

With that one, it's more ATM instinct.

One of the things I don't get about the BRF is the celeb guests at Eugenie's wedding.The wedding in general was way better than H&M's but why did they invite so many trash;Kate Moss,Naomi Campbell,Robbie Williams,Demi Moore,Ricky Martin,Cara Delevigne,Pixie Geldof etc??Why no classy and accomplished actors like Benedict Cumberbatch,Eddie Redmayne,Tom Hiddleston,Felicity Jones,Claire Foy,Olivia Colman etc?I find it so strange.

Those people are friends, they weren't stacking the wedding like a film premiere. Backs against the wall, Royalty [italic]believes[/italic] it is inherently better than anyone else in a room.

The B-listers were friends of Eugenie and, in many instances, her gormless mother. Eugenie and Beatrice dabble in charity and show up for the Trooping of the Colour, but they aren't working members of the Royal Family so they live the lives of extremely wealthy, extremely privileged rich girls and they know the kind of people rich girls know. They're basically Paris Hilton with better manners and some retained sense of shame.

R544 is right...haven't you ever seen 1 Night in (Beatrice) York?

R506 - absolutely, Mette-Marit is the epitome of the "anyone who marries in" syndrome. BTW, there have been rumours for some time that the marriage has had a lot of bumps and Haakon and M-M (not to be confused with MM) are allegedly living separate lives now. Mette-Marit also made a public speech before marrying in acknowledging her past and its "mistakes" - doing penance, as it were, and subtly conveying that that was all over, and in case no other DLers never knew or noticed, Crown Prince Haakon is a dish. It should also be noted that the among European royalty, the Norwegians are the poorest.

And that said, Metter-Marit in later years acquired a reputation for liking luxury and designer clothes too much, and working too little. I'm not sure if she's calmed that down or not.

I still say that eventually royalty in Europe will come up against an ineluctable reality: there is no such thing as royalty and that like appendixes they are simply left over body parts from a million years ago and might as well be excised as dead weight.

I think someone should start a non BRF European royalty thread; if there isn't one already, there probably should be. What do you all think? Anyone wiling to start one up?

R544 I don't know how close the York women are to these people but it's strange that they prefer to hang out with them.

William went to school with Eddie who's a very kind and polished man.A lot smarter than William.Yet Wiliam ignores him too.

The striped dress wouldn't be too bad if the slit were lower and she stopped calling attention to her midsection with her hands every fucking moment of every day in public. Jesus, I've worked around pregnant teachers, pregnant lawyers . . . they went about their jobs without crading their fucking bumps every minute of the day. Kate Middleton didn't walk around cradling her bump, neither did Diana, for that matter. The woman is just an impossible grandstander - she doesn't even do it with any class.

As for the baby's gender, amniocentesis usually isn't done until between the 15th-20th week. It is considered potentially dangerous during the first 12 weeks. So if they were telling the truth about her being only 12 weeks along last week, she'd be having it at the close of her fourth month at the earliest, so it's unlikely they know the baby sex this early unless it showed up in the scan. At 37, MM will be required to have amnio.

I agree, MeAgain would probably prefer a boy to flatter her vanity, although she'll enjoy having a Mini Me until the girl moves into puberty and becomes sexual competition in the media as MeAgain pushes into her early 50s.

r547 - Link for non-BRF thread.

Fabulous r550, many thanks!

R547, you might like this site.

Hey, you guys missed some outfits....

Outfit No# 1: Black and white at afternoon reception. Notice the black turtleneck. the precious purse and slut shoes in the grass.

Outfit No# 2 - short black dress reminiscent of the white Stella McCartney number she wore for her wedding reception.

Notice the "Nancy Reagan Adoration Look".

Hi it's MEagain.

What's with the oversize sunglasses? Is she trying to be Jackie O?

Patting her baby bump even if there's not much there.

She's very short.

The slit goes right up to her thigh. It should have been sewn a bit. She does have someone looking after her wardrobe on this trip, doesn't she?

My God, those huge sunglasses. That's all I'm going to say on the matter.

Showing her leg is a definite royal no-no.

R554 A coloured version would have been OK.

I like the red&white polka one.

A summary of what she's wearing. At least, there's some color.

What was the Sesame Street song..."one of these is not like the other"....but they are.

Selfie time.

Summary of this outfit.

Two teddy bears? Do people think she's having twins?

Dimwit looks a bit lonely on the beach without Clingon.

R565 How could anyone look at the photo of the model wearing that dress and think, “Oh, that would be appropriate for my Australian tour where I’m representing the royal family.”

King Willem Alexander and his Argentinian wife Queen Maxima have three daughters - the Three A's: Catharina AMALIA, ALEXIA and ARIANE. The oldest is quite chunky like the King, the middle one is prettier like her mother and a redhead and the youngest is unfortunately somewhat homely looking.

The Dutch royal family.

R569 & R570 - sorry wrong thread.

R549, she may possibly have had a Chorionic villus sampling done (otherwise known as a cvs) which primarily tests for the same markers as an amnio but can be performed 10-12 weeks gestation. CVS takes a sampling of the placental tissue versus amniotic fluid. It has a slightly higher risk but then you have results that much sooner. I somehow doubt the HazBeans would have taken that route. Rather I suspect this pregnancy was assisted and therefore they knew embryonic the baby they are getting. It will be especially telling if they do have twins, boy and girl natch.

More than I needed to know!

Tests show as early as 10-12 weeks the sex of the baby. Haz with his comment that he's exited for a daughter gave it all away. If they were having a boy or didn't know the gender he would have said "I'm happy to just have a healthy baby." He didn't and said he wanted a daughter which he knew he was getting. Otherwise if it was a boy the poor kid would live his life knowing daddy wanted a girl and not a son.

R564 they're already breaking royal protocol. Selfies with people are not allowed but Meg has proved that she's flaunting that rule and dragging Haz in. She even said on one of their engagement appearances that she's not allowed to do photo selfies with people....my how that has changed now that she's got his wedding ring on her finger.

She's such an embarrassment to the BRF. Too bad the queen is 92 and doesn't give a F anymore. The high slits, the black clothes, the cling-on touching at all professional appearances. If Kate did any of these things there had been hell to pay but by now Megs knows the queen is too old to scold and can get away with anything.. Now that she's pregnant, they;;ll get that Apartment 1 in KP with 21 rooms. Meghan has played them like a fiddle while merching away her role.,

R565, in that model photo, that dress reminds me of the Angelina Jolie Oscars dress. That dress, where she posed unnaturally on stage to make sure everyone saw her leg. (At least Meghan didn't do that!)

R569, that middle child looks a lot like Princess Beatrice.

"That bitch stole my look AGAIN!"

R575, I'll bet that in the past, it wasn't the Queen who laid down the law to Di and Fergie when they screwed up. I have a feeling it was Phil who tried to keep them in line and then froze them out when they wouldn't play by the rules. He probably doesn't have the energy for that now. And, Meghan has the worst personality traits of Di and Fergie combined.

Charles won't be able to stand up to Meghan. That leaves William. He and his wife have played by all the rules. Will he get resentful when his brother and sister-in-law refuse to play by those same rules?

R562 Except Kate wore a dress with that print in the same colour just a few days ago .

Her ass is huge. This baby will be the ruin of her

She’s such an asshole to wear a beach dress on a royal engagement.

I wonder if they're going to merch baby clothes and accessories, too.

I am just waiting for her to show up in short short in public during this so called royal assignments.

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I picked up a copy of Sally Bedell-Smith's "Queen Elizabeth" in Foyle's recently (you will find my ghost there after I'm raptured). Smith, I thought, wrote one of the fairest, most objective, yet humane bios of Diana (if you want the acid variety, pick up Tina Brown's deliciously wicked one, which goes for the jugulars of everyone concerned). Smith's bio of HM is more recent - 2012.

In it, Smith, who is a conscientious and reliable biographer, recounts that the Queen has made it a practice never to appear to intervene in her children's lives. Why she doesn't no one can quite pinpoint - but she doesn't. There were several people in Charles's circle who thought Diana a dicey prospect (Nicholas Soames, for one), but it reached a point where Charles simply couldn't turn back, and, yes, his father's letter stating that he had either to cut her loose or marry her was a factor. The Archbishop of Canterbury wrote later in his memoirs that he thought the two "a misalliance" but perhaps she would grow into it later.

But the more shocking bits are Smith's confirmations that the Wales marriage was collapsing by the time of the honeymoon; she arrived in Scotland nearly on the verge of a breakdown, flouting protocol and behaving with such extraordinary rudeness (coming down to meals with headphones on, ignoring guests at formal dinners sitting on either side of her) that the family was flabbergasted that this was the same girl who, a year earlier at Balmoral, had presented them with this sweet, adoring, adaptable, game-for-anything, Oh How I Love Balmoral It's So Beautiful! persona. After a couple of months of her mood changes, incessant emotional demands, accusations, etc., Charles had her flown back to London for psychiatric counseling.

And yet - the public went on adoring her, the couple kept smiling their way through public engagements, the media gushed over her, she was a raging success as a Princess - just not as a wife.

No one knew how bad it was, and how quickly it had gone bad.

I keep returning to the similarities between this union, pushed on by the press and the ferocious desire of the putatitve royal fiancee to get it done or die in the attempt, and HazBean.

But I feel compelled to say that whilst there are some interesting parallels, I doubt Harry is as unhappy as his father became so quickly - at least, not yet. Meghan and Harry seem to be a terrific hit Down Under, it's going well for Meghan - the pregnancy was a badly needed notch on her belt.

But if there are aspects of her behaviour that are bothering the BRF, do not expect Charles, let alone the Queen, to do anything about it directly. Everything in their world is done by code. If the Sussexes are said to be considering "no royal titles" for their children, my guess is that Charles has already smoothly informed them that Mum has informed him that they won't be getting HRHs like William's children did. Translation: if we liked you more we might have asked Gran to hand them out to you, too, but we don't, so we're advising her not to."

Just guessing, of course. But the absence from Balmoral was quite marked.

But in reading Smith's of the staggering debacle that Charles's marriage to Diana was from Moment One, it is quite incredible how no one would have guessed from their rapturous tour Down Under with adorable baby William in tow.

Just a thought.

R584 I don't feel sorry for him one bit.I don't know how things work in the US but where I come from fathers are supposed to provide for their kids,pay for their education and yes sometimes provide for them even when they reach adulthood.

And when you fall out with them,become estranged you don't talk shit about them unless they're monsters.Thomas is just thirsty and thinks he's a celebrity.He's loving every bit of attention he's getting.Same with the crazy step-sister.They don't give a damn about Meg or family values.

From R573:

[quote]The couple, who wed in May, are thought to have conceived their baby at the Castle of Mey in Caithness, a source told Daily Express columnist Adam Helliker.

The BRF is woefully behind when it comes to conception names but MM is just the person to change that. I propose Wren Meyghan Vicdoria Diana Açaí.

MM may be “pacing herself” when it comes to actual work, but her PR machine is still at full throttle.

The latest BS blind (courtesy of Enty):

“The apple does not fall far from the sibling tree as this sister to a foreign born A+ list celebrity also used a surrogate for her recent birth.”

Someone needs to show the Duchess of Sucks the photo of Pippa and James in today’s DM... Pippa is clearly carrying some post-pregnancy bloat on that normally rock-hard bod.

What proof is there that Meghan is making up these blind items. Tabloids have always made up blind items.

They're going to have to buy another suitcase just for stuffed toys.

The baby bump has really overshadowed the tour itself.

Because bits like this didn’t appear in places like that until that Markle Creature appeared. She is as artless as she is ambitious R590. A skunk.

He looks relieved to be alone for a change. Well, almost.

The beach dress actually looks more like a beach coverup meant to be worn over a bathing suit.

Why did she wear black jeans to a luncheon? Even Harry wasn’t dressed that casually.

And the dress heels with jeans... so trashy.

Wouldn’t it be easier to just play by the rules? Just buy a boring, appropriate wardrobe and be done with it.

But she seems to put a lot of effort into inventing new ways to look bad.

It’s baffling.

She seems to be carrying the baby in her saddlebag area.

She really has a terrible body. Her only “move” is staying super thin to keep the awkward proportions to a minimum.

Great comment, r586. Now I want to read those books!

I still can’t believe she wore spaghetti straps and a mid-thigh slit dress for a royal engagement. She’s one of those women who is so paranoid about being unfuckable, she doubles down on the slutwear when pregnant.

We are almost full. Link to Part 17 below.

I loved the "mattress ticking" comment up above about that hideous sun dress.

I LOATHE that fucking dress with the passion of a thousand suns.

It really is a mattress ticking dress...a Gap Outlet casual sundress marked down to $9.99 by July 1st.

Since we're already started on the next thread...despite the fact this one isn't done....

BAJOUR!!!