Part 15: Dangling Tendrils, Ill-Fitting Gowns, is it Time for a Style Intervention for New Royal Duchess Meghan?

Isn't it early spring there? Why is she dressed for winter? Are we to believe there was no heat on the plane?

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Poor Harry like his mother destined to be the third wheel!

Because she is a fucking idiot r1. She wore black in spring in England, It looks like, as many people guessed earlier, that she is going to do the same on this trip. This will only end badly and I will be here for every moment.

She really should wear more ivory or white. It would set off her complexion beautifully. Sadly, I think she thinks darker colours make her skin look lighter, and that gives me pause on a number of levels.

It’s spring here but it’s also unseasonably cool and it’s raining today. They arrived early morning. I can’t fault her for what she’s wearing (and I’m not a fan).

He’s wearing a jumper (a sweater, in American parlance).

Quite appropriate for the conditions in Sydney this morning.

For me it was telling that at Harry's wedding, Charlotte and George were attendants, but, performed in a bubble, and once they were up that aisle they were removed. When the bride and groom exited the church, they were with their other attendants but George and Charlotte were with their mom and dad. This was excused by some as, well, George is shy and didn't know the Mulroney boy and girl, or Meghan's godchildren. No, but he knew the Jasper Dyer whose hand he held walking up the aisle, and the two boys talked to each other, and Charlotte obviously knew Florence von Custem. So at least two of the other children weren't strangers. When the wedding party was announced, bets were taken as to whether Jessica Mulroney could contrive to get a pic of Charlotte kissing one of her ghoulish looking twins on the cheek, or a pic of her daughter kissing Harry on the cheek, with something like "2038?" as a caption. To prevent their kids from being hijacked for Mulroney's instagram, the Cambridges put a bubble around them. At Eugenie's wedding no caution was necessary. Kate didn't even need to wrangle the kids - they were left to Lady Louis coming and going.

Back to topic - my prediction will be that absolutely everything on this tour including the clothes will be anti-climactic. That is really Meghan's story. She hasn't served it up properly since Charles birthday garden party when she wore a dress suitable for a dessicated 80 year old, laughed while swaying backwards in emulation of Diana, earned a swat from Camilla's hand (watch for it, up there on the portico or whatever, Sparkles' body veers into Camilla's personal space and Camilla's hand swats), and then sashayed slowly up the center stairs with her hand trailing down Harry's back after they got booted out. Well, she did wear that massive floral tent adorned by a fascinator made of toilet paper to that one wedding, and tried to merch her bra at another, but in general, and apart from how she walks and clings, she doesn't manage to be high camp, she doesn't dress badly in an interesting way, and most of the drama comes from the incessant narratives she pushes out via her connections in the press or Soho House's connections.

R5 - Thanks - makes sense.

R4 - I agree. Ivories and creams and whites (as well as some shades of light pink) reflect light up onto the face. The dark colours do not do her any favours but she seems completely wedded to them.

And I agree that like his father, Harry will become a dimmer backseat partner to a wife addicted to public adoration.

I imagine Jess M. will be the Desiree Washington of the Court of Sussex. If memory serves, she was Michello O's style guru brought on board to establish the "Obama Brand" as she self styled the nascent administration, only to over step the boundaries. Desiree began to believe SHE was the STAR, NOT MICHELLE O due to her prev pedigree and social standing. Queen Michelle banished her from court with the quickness!!! The same will happen to Mulroney when Meg realizes Mulroney is trying to SHARE/STEAL the spotlight*. Baby doesn't share the spotlight with anyone! Not even Harry; watch.....

*Deep down Megs understands this, hence no bridesmaid role for Mulroney to potentially upstage her. Meg is a Leo after all. ALL EYES ON ME BITCHES!!!

R6 I must see that video of Cams swatting Sparkle! Can you find it PLEASE!?

R6 What? Charlotte and George were "removed" at the end of the ceremony so they could stand with the rest of Harry's family and Doria at the top of the steps to wave the couple off, there's no massive conspiracy surrounding that.

The requested head-knocking video

I can spot Meg's bullshit from my backyard, but r6, there's no reason to LIE and MAKEUP SHIT just to recruit follower's to your Bitter Betty Barbeque! OH, and the "marching" is sooooo lame and tiresome! Be more creative, BE BEST, like YOUR Queen Melania!!!

"MERCHING" that is....

Difference is I doubt Desiree had dirt on Michelle O, and I doubt she was sleeping with Michelle O. Those languid, post-coital expressions on Mulroney and Markle's faces in their vacation snaps, their moist eyes and twinsie clothing choices suggest a closer relationship on a personal level than Desiree had with Michelle. But, most importantly, Mulroney knows Markle's origin story. So does Markus Anderson. Both are avaricious, and, I think, more powerful than Meghan. If Meghan ghosted them, she'd have no one. Mulroney at least has some society cred in Canada. Anderson probably knows all the sleazy secrets of a rich and trashy clientele (Harry could be described as rich and trashy, IMO). They are more powerful than she. Markle clearly hasn't made new allies so she has to stay on the good side of her existing ones. Shit, even Omid Skobie, a "Royal Expert" up her ass, has a Soho House connection. She's painted into a corner.

Thanks r11!

Well, it's that time of night I guess, because here come the crazies...

This what we have to look forward to on the 16th:

Meet representatives of the countries participating in the Invictus Games

Open the Taronga Institute of Science and Learning, meet female conservationists fighting wildlife trafficking, and a photo op with koalas — ones with grabby little weave-snatching hands, I hope.

Attend a rehearsal of the Bangarra Dance Theatre at the Opera House

Evening reception at Admiralty House

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Projected temperature: low to mid sixties

Light wind and rain

80% humidity

She’d better be careful with the koalas, they all have chlamydia.

R17 quick, grab the Raid Just For Tendrils before they mutate further. We are going to need a LOT of cans to get through this tour.

I think we're going to need more evidence than Markle's style of dress to know if their marriage is on the rocks.

R4 then why does she put on so much bronzer and weird orangey fake tan? Nothing makes sense about her clothing. I'm starting to think she's not getting anything from Charles.

There's no massive conspisracy, there's just logic - Kate and Will didn't want to leave their kids exposed to Jessica or anyone Jessica-related. Who the fuck is the two-faced sugar polluting these threads?

The video of Harry and Megsy at the garden party was posted in an earlier tendrils thread. Harry is making a speech. He remarks on the bee that is buzzing around his head. Meghan reacts in an exagerated fashion, swaying backwards, tee hee, doing something with her arm, and her hips get into Camilla's physical space. Camilla's right hand swats. I

Well, since we are on part 15 r23, unless someone here knows specifically, I will have to live without seeing it, unfortunately. Wading through 15 x 600 posts (ish) is a bit too much daunting for me. But thanks!

In other news, the fail has all the new pics. I'm starting to think meghans smug smile is default. It's not her fault she has that type of smile. I honestly think she can't help it. She looks best when she smiles very fully with teeth showing. Less smug that way.

I can see why some find her smile irritating. It can definitely get under your skin lol but I kind of love it how it drives her haters wild foaming at the mouth.

She has resting smug face r25 ! I guess I can buy that. I think she tries to do that "smizing" thing. Maybe that's what we are seeing. HM has resting bitch face, but when she smiles, she truly lights up.

I think the arm movement at 0:26 is what’s being discussed, R24. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

Her reactions are more appropriate for a child. Odd.

Many thanks r27. I didn't see any slap. I did see her pull that coy tee-hee bullshit though.

She is manure - sorry demure.

^^^ somewhere in between - Demi Manure?

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R22 it's some refugee from one of the Kate hate sites, retailing all the names they made up for Will and Kate. My favorite about the whole thing with these trolls is they've convinced themselves a 5'9" brunette with those dimples, legs and waistline and hair is "basic" and "manly". They do not get out much or talk to enough people.

R24, the problem is these videos and gifs turn up o tumblr or youtube, I don't pay attention to their title, and they go out of rotation somehow once new stuff comes in. If I find it again, I'll post it. Camilla is clearly being a good soldier, but Smegle is so OTT reacting to Harry's little remark about the bee she sways her lower body into Camilla's space, and Camilla's hand actually spasms as it makes a "shoo" move.

R32, she always trowels her make-up on. So does her bff Jessica, so maybe she's just hellbent on role modeling her, as she always does.

The fug girls have aleady seen that Meghan is carrying her binders and they've decided they LOVE it. They spin everything Meghan does into adorable and earnest instead of it being obviously fake. They are so try hard about it, and have started littering all their remarks about Meghan with question marks. I mean, it's kind of adorable? And adds to her credibility somehow?

Meghan must bring clicks to the Fug site, and to Tom and Lorenzo, so they don't want to alienate sugars. Some of their regular posts on bring 9 comments or so, while RF posts of all kinds bring many more.

Tom and Lorenzo are still a thing? How dreadful.

Always black

Sugars really really hate the existence of Jessica Mulroney. They ignore her completely, even when she's all up in Meghan, so to speak. This is the one woman on the planet who can make Meghan Markle look "classy", but Meghan is working hard to keep up. Not even the sugary-est sugar can spin Jessica as anything other than vulgar trash who exploits her kids. They'd like her to go away, or to read that the friends don't keep in touch as much, but Jessica is a fixture. She has become even more prominant as the person who gets the clothes to Meghan, and now on this tour they are madly spinning that Ben Mulroney is covering Invictus, so it's logical for him to go along. Sure, and for him to go on the rest of the tour where Invictus ISN'T happening, so his wife can be with Meghan. That makes complete sense. Did Ben Mulroney cover Invictus these past two years? His wife was certainly around Meghan then.

R36 they are hell bent on making Meghan Markle into a "transformative" figure in the world (a la Michelle Obama, they have decided) and and they use a different yardstick to judge her fashion. They actually patronize the shit out of her with the grading on a curve and the projection onto her, but don't see it. They loved when Harry dragged that girl out of the crowd for Meghan to hug. They were like, "This is big, folks." They had no sense of the girl herself, who had kept her arms at her side and did not return the hug, or that Harry was playing it up for the camera and for what reason? What did it mean? That there was a black kid in the crowd and Harry had her hug his wife who is half black and it changed the world that a black girl got to hug a biracial adult who would soon be part of the royal family? And that means....? Whatever Tom & Lorenzo think it means, how the girl felt about it didn't mean much to them.

Their problem is they don't get it about Harry. As obvious as Meghan is, so is Harry. Harry's wife is not going to be some profoundly "transformative" international force because someone capable of being that wouldn't marry Harry in a million years. He married a z-list trashy influencer wannabe who since becoming a royal has moved into full time grifting.

Camilla didn't slap anybody. She made a reflexive "swat" move with her hand when Meghan swayed into her personal space. She stayed in control, it was only from the wrist down, but IMO it's clear she's reacting to Meghan not keeping herself physically poised.

[quote][R6] I must see that video of Cams swatting Sparkle! Can you find it PLEASE!?

Not true. Camilla simply gave her a warm touch.

Yeah, it's the crazy hour. You know who you are. Bloody hell. Get help.

Thanks r41 that is closer to what I saw, though still I don't see physical contact. Still, certainly not a swat.

How will the Australian press deal with things if, for example, someone overhears her sniping at Harry when she thinks they're out of earshot?

Putting together Harry's sour face these days, the way he crept out behind her when she swanned past him at the cookbook release, the wedding chastisement or whatever that was and above all else, the old video when she turned on a dime and went full mean-girl on the reporter who looked over her shoulder for a second, I'm thinking (okay, I'm hoping) she won't be able to keep her true self in check when faced with two weeks of all-day pressure and scrutiny.

The British press will throw shade so subtle that it whooshes over a lot of heads, but I'm wondering how Australian media will handle it.

Great post r43! I do have to say her attitude at the wedding seemed more like she was trying to explain something to him. Doing so with that kind of directness when you have to explain to a dim or disengaged partner. That said if ANYONE here could PLEASE track down that video where she was a total cunt to the reporter, and post it here, it would be a good refresher on how she can be.

That video was posted at least twice, r44 in this thread series, r44. You'll have to do the search as I did once through all the posts.

Thanks R45 Are you saying it is in this part...15? If so, I am missing it, or do I have to do a 15 part thread crawl?

No, r46 as you can see, there are 15 parts to this thread topic. You will need to search through the threads to find the video. Could be threads 11 or 12 - I can't remember. I did the seach a few days ago and it didn't take long.

Here it is.

Thank you R48! Holy shit! What. A . Cunt.

Who the fuck acts like that? Even an A lister would get a well deserved shit load of criticism for behaving like that. This is one of the biggest jewels in the crown of her fakery.

[quote]Thank you [R48]! Holy shit! What. A . Cunt.

I don't watch a lot of "celebrity" interviews but I must admit this MM interview was pretty dismal, unprofessional, and even mean-spirited. You'll note she wouldn't let up on the interviewer for his temporary lapse in attenton span towards her. She felt it necessary to humiliate him on air by pointing out the spelling error pertaining to her name. She did herslef no favours.

Fast forward to the Eugenie wedding where MM is seen being abrupt with Harry - this is another example, her impatience with him barely concealed. She is definitely in charge here and Harry better get used to his new role.

This is the other video mentioned at r43. He’s like a dim little puppy as she starts to walk in his direction, then his face sinks — like, really sinks — when she ghosts him.

Link not working r52.

Well r52 I don't want to give MM much, but perhaps Harry was letting her have her time in the sun. I don't know. It still felt strange.

Great. It really needs to be seen to be believed. It was posted on the 20th of September, captioned:

[quote]Let me give you a little lesson @ MeAgain. Understand that Diana did not purposely usurp Prince Charles. She knew her position and she respected the crown and its protocols. She was genuine, and that is why she was loved.

Thankfully there aren’t a million posts before it.

Could be, r54, but I was struck by how expectantly he was looking at her and then everything just wilted in a split second. Whatever was going on, it was a weird thing for someone like MM, who's hyperconscious of the location of every camera and human eye, to do. She isn't nearly as smooth as she thinks and that hubris is going to be her downfall.

This one should work. The ghosting begins at 2:50.

Thanks r57 - that link worked.

I think one fundamental thing about Markle is that the world revolves around her. At least in her mind. She thinks she oozes beauty, talent, charisma, intelliegence and sophistication way beyond the simple castle-dwelling, jobless, spoiled likes of Harry. He can have her.

Oh wait....

Oh shit! She's knocked up!! I just got the notification on my phone from LBC.

The exacting wording....

Kensington Palace says the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are "very pleased" that Meghan is expecting a baby in the spring of 2019.

Uuuuurgh

Well holy fuck. So does this means she is going to skip out the whole tour, or do the SO BRAVE! bit and just stay away from the hot spots?

Exacting wording? Time for me to go to bed.

[quote]Their Royal Highnesses The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are very pleased to announce that The Duchess of Sussex is expecting a baby in the Spring of 2019.

She is going to do the whole tour. I find the moment they code for announcing the pregnancy unbelievably tacky.

Code = chose

r64 Tacky seems to be their job. This explains Harry's weird looks lately. So spring... well if they are following the don't announce it for 3 months rule, when do we expect this....gift?

I'm kind of surprised I thought they would wait after the 1st tour.

Anyway, the next months gonna be fun.

[quote]Meghan told The Queen and the rest of the Royal Family the happy news at Princess Eugenie's wedding, it was revealed.

Of course she did.

I Eugenie Victoria Helena take thee Jack Christopher Stamp to my wedded husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse: for richer, for poorer; in sickness and in hea...

PSSSSST! HEY EVERYONE, LISTEN UP! QUEEN? QUEEN?? LIZ! WAKE UP! CAN YOU HEAR ME? ONE OF HAZZA'S LOADS STUCK!! I KNOW, RIGHT!??!?!!? I'M UP THE DUFF!

That's so tacky, way to steal Eugenie storm the day of her wedding.

There is nothing she can do at this point to rehab her image, unless it is going to be a "miscarriage" and that belongs in quotes as I don't believe she is really up the duff. She just wants attention. Massive fuck up. How dare she put this out right after Yuge's happy wedding? What. A. Cunt. Explains why Harry has looked a mess lately too. I wonder if he was even in on it.

Please, she won't fake her pregnancy....

Wow, thanks for that video R48!! Awesome!

R71 She fakes everything else. Why not go for the fake gold? She will get pity and all of the attention for having a "miscarriage" It is like a bad screenplay, for our very bad actress.

Because there's doctors, blood exams, stuff like that.

You don't just fake a pregnancy like that.

R74 She is not the brood mare as Kate is/was. Harry is so far down the line, there would not be any public tests required as to her pregnancy "status" or lack thereof.

R35, I agree about the Fug Girls and T&L. I used to LOVE Go Fug Yourself, but they've become ass kissers. They're so afraid to alienate and/or offend that they're becoming incredibly uninteresting and I don't visit the site nearly as much as I used to. And too bad about T&L, too. You know those queens could really dish the dirt if they chose, but no. They're playing it safe, too. Can't repel the precious Meghan Muff Eaters.

Maybe they are expecting a baby via surrogate. Then she is free to pull all the stops on the tour and doesn’t have to deal with morning sickness and the dangers of Zika.

I'm thinking Kensington Palace planned to announce this after the tour or at least a week after Eugenies wedding, but then Preghan pulled the coat stunt at the wedding and they knew they wouldn't be able to stop her from telling half of Oceania once she landed in Oz. Does Givenchy have a maternity range and does it come in black?

LOL, so true, R78!!

Meghan wore that huge coat and moved so slowly, as if she was 6-7 months pregnant.

It all really reminded me she was an actress—that was all her “announcing her pregnancy to the world” through her appearance and behavior.

It was as if she was still a working actress and was assigned the role of “heavily pregnant woman”.

She's SUCH an ASSHOLE.

R80 made me laugh!

My heart is overflowing with excremental feeling! My love and I are impregnated! Our gift to Eugene was the announcement of my womb-mate! The cat is out of the bag, and the binders I'm carrying are full of baby names! I'm thinking something classic for a girl, Neveah, which is heaven backwards. For a boy, Kensington, strong and jocular, and also a nod to the heritage of where he was conceived!

I really hope they didn’t announce the pregnancy at Eugenie’s wedding,

Wow, not only did she pull focus from Eugenie on her wedding day, she is now taking away attention from the countries they are supposed to be promoting and the Invictus Games. Asshole indeed. No wonder everyone coming off the plane looked like they were ticked, they know they are stuck with her now.

My womb mate! That's priceless. It's SOOO her.

Lady Tendril Doria Meghan Diana Mountbatten-Windsor has a certain ring to it.

She's SUCH an asshole!

I can't wait to see Mulroney's maternity stylings.

She’ll go with “Georgia Carlotta Louise” just bite Kate’s style

How ever will those little chicken legs keep her upright? Maybe Samantha's arrival in London was a good thing...Megs can loan her wheelchair. Or would Meagain prefer to be carried on a litter in the final stages of her pregnancy? You know she doesn't like a lot of fuss and attention...

R84 THUNDER being stolen!

R82 Kensington? I think you mean Lord Soho Farmhouse Markus Jessica Mountbatten-Windsor.

So her maternity outfit at the wedding seems to have triggered a quick announcement.

Doesn’t the announcement feel hasty, weird, and half-hearted?

R93, you mean, just like the engagement and the wedding did?

R93 Everything about this couple is planned for optimal PR. MM has been wearing clothing that makes her look pregnant for over a month! She has been working hard for pregnancy speculation.

MM wasted no time in securing her position. I am just glad that they announced this in time to knock Princess Eugenie off the dailymail. That wedding was exhausting and the guest list was odd.

Congratulations to the happy couple! Let's hope that those Ragland/Spencer/Mountbatten genes come through strong!

Well, she'll never go away completely now. She's potentially the new Fergie.

Ugh. I hope it’s a boy.

Congrats on your wedding, Eugenie, and here's your gift - you're being bumped down to tenth in line!

I don’t believe she is. However at eugenie’s wedding, she no longer looked at PH with fake love, more like a woman that sees and treats husband as another kid, not a man. I see that a lot in breeder couples.

I felt depressed when read upthread about baby. That makes me sad to bring a child into this shit....I’ve loved this comedy of errors, but adding a kid puts a different spin on this for me. Is the party over? I’m hoping it’s a ploy, and MM has half baked scheme to serve her adopted country, selflessly travel to Zika risky locales, and tragically lose phantom baby and become instant martyr for the cause. Then she’ll be a survivor, book tour, motivational speaker, etc.

I also agree it was bad form to inform the family on the day of someone else's wedding and worse form - if typical - to put it out in public. But whatever the conspiracy theories one thing is true: a needy, indulged, dim man child from the poshest of broken homes has married an attention seeking, self promoting Californian actress from a broken home - and that drives everything about these two. They don't know any better and they can't help themselves.

Why get knocked up right before going to regions with Zika? Seems irresponsible.

Harry looks miserable and disheveled. Bet the baby will be unhappy too. No way will this marriage last and I expect she will want to take the sprog with her when she bolts.

Her announcing it at the wedding is hilarious. They must loathe her.

You'll see, she won't go to the Fidji or Tonga.

She gonna stay in Australia with her BFF Jessica.

I don't think they announced it at the wedding. It says here, "Traditionally, the Queen and Prince Philip are told about royal pregnancies via a courier or over the phone." The wedding was probably just the first time they'd seen them in person since the announcement.

I read that everyone congratulated the couple in person AT THE WEDDING.

Duh, They're just backpedaling because they look bad.

Very sad, if expected, news.

So they were doing A list partying in Amsterdam while she was knocked up?

Damn, what a cunt!

To announce it at the wedding is beyond low.

Eugenie couldn’t have one perfect day to herself!

i Was lukewarm up till this point about Megan but now I think she’s just an opportunistic whore who trapped a needy idiot.

Yeah, so much for postponing my wedding to accommodate you two shit stains! Thanks for stealing my thunder!

R108 Oh goodness! Eugenie had about 2 or 3 days to herself to celebrate her marriage to....I can't recall the gentleman's name.

All of this hate for a woman that you don't know and never will know. MM is living her best life while you sit there and rant.

To the true royal watchers who love a good story, this "Harry Takes a Hollywood C-List Bride" has just gotten so much better. Why rant and rave? Just sit back and watch the inevitable Markle meltdowns.

R109 I agree, DM says she's going to the Zika zone anyway.

It's not like they couldn't wait 15 days with the use of some good dresses.

R110 That sucks cause Eugenie and Beatrice have always been the ugly ducks of the family. So when for once, everyone agrees Eugenie looks gorgeous and everyone look at her in owe, Ms Markle makes it all about herself.

That's tacky, and Eugenie must think "Yeah, of course they would...".

She didn't announce it at the wedding you illiterate cunts. They were congratulated at the wedding. Read the announcement from KP again. This time slowly.

The family already knew she was pregnant and got the chance to congratulate them in person.

It was more or less a nonverbal announcement via choice of wedding ensemble, which really does rather suck and speaks to her vicious narcissism and inability to make someone else's Big Day at least partly about Her. The speed with which she got the necessary done also speaks to her awareness that without a baby, her position is not really secure, and given her age, the longer she waited, the more precarious said position would become.

So now we can spend six months selecting names.

And, what are the bets that the Queen will or won't step in and give the kid an HRH?

*inability to stop herself from making someone else's Big Day

R113

Maybe that’s why everyone looked unhappy and worried during the wedding

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^AIDE

Given that this baby will be 75% white, those rejoicing in some "colour" being injected into the BRF are probably in for rather a disappointment. Apart from the ski jump noses, and incredibly frizzy hair that s/he will get from both parents, nothing else is predictable except skin so light that one will need a microscope to discern the "colour" in the DNA. Only the hair will give it away.

And, yes, I think the BRF was struggling to find a role for Harry, and upon his marriage this became even more urgent, as a role for Harry also means a role for his wife - without which, they would both look even more like the freeloaders they in fact are.

Of the Queen had any spine, she would refuse to give the 7th in line an HRH and just leave it at Earl of Dumbarton or Lady Mountbatten-Windsor. Far too many HRHs around and Harry is too far from the throne to make this necessary.

But the Queen will show as little spine as she always has with the family, and figure that if she did it for William's kids she has to do it for Harry's kids or everyone will scream "wayyyyyycist!" and suggest she is discriminating against the black grandbaby. Despite the fact that the baby is likely to be so little black as makes no difference.

Betting on names: Diana for a girl, Charles for a boy - no one understands pandering better than Sparkle. Second pick for a girl: Victoria (rhymes with Doria). No second picks for the boy - Sparkle will want to do what William and Kate didn't and flatter Charles with a first-name namesake grandson.

It's possible they'll go with Elizabeth to flatter the Queen, too, and put Diana second; but then the girl's name will be nearly the same as Pss. Charlotte's.

[quote]Does anyone else get the impression that the Royal Family is desperately trying to find a ROLE for Harry to play and keep him occupied and out of trouble?

No.

But we get the impression that raving lunatics will rave.

I get the feeling that the RF has a lot of love and affection for Harry, but they are a bit concerned about him. He is one of those frustrating types.: Heart of gold, fearless, and loves booze. They are wise to keep him busy.

They were probably hoping that MM would give him some much needed stability. She does in a sense, but she is also emotionally needy and brings drama. Hopefully, the Markles will stay away and Harry and MM will settle into a happy family life with minimal drama.

The Queen looked very pleased at Eugenie's wedding. This is a happy time for the family. Two weddings, new babies (Catherine and Zara), and a new pregnancy in one year must be delightful for the Queen.

Aide de camp????? That's so ridiculous.

Did you see the Queen last Friday? Granny is senile.

Whether they told others at Eugenie's wedding, or had recently told them prior to the wedding, they "received congratulations" at the wedding. That alone makes it all about THEM (HER) enough of the time to distract from the main purpose of the event: Eugenie getting married. Even telling the family a few days or a week before the big wedding event was tacky. AND announcing it to the public within 48 hours after Eugenie's wedding didn't even allow her and her new husband to bask in the attention even for just a little while longer. MM is so ME! ME! ME! it's sickening.

If this pregnancy is real (the week before in her non-vegan leather skirt she didn't look pregnant at all), why take the risk of traveling to Zika zones, unless of course she drops out of those two legs of the trip to hang with her BFF Sluts Mulroney?

R121 - That's because you have no clue as to how the BRF works and the dilemmas they have to address if they are to hold onto a shred of credibility regarding "support" from the nation. These people get taxpayer monies for their "work" on behalf of the monarchy's "official" duties. Second sons receding down the line of succession due to older brothers and older brothers' children are still seen as "senior royals", and if they are to be kept on the gravy train, a persuasive role has to be found for them.

In point of fact, Harry is already completely irrelevant to the monarchy. He could disappear tomorrow and 1) the cessation of whatever little he was doing would make the slightest difference to the country or the monarchy, and 2) not one citizen would miss him.

But he's still the next King's son, and the future Prince of Wales's younger brother. He won't do his bit without the bennies of the royal gravy train (Sovereign Grant). Kate and William are still bringing up three small children. So they have to find a way to show the public that Harry and Meghan are "earning their keep.

It's not raving lunacy - it is actually the way the thing works. These people are fundamentally useless, but they can't be seen to be or the whole show goes tits up.

They had the same problem with Prince Andrew and he eventually blew it and quietly receded into irrelevancy. Then he tried mightily to get his two daughters onto the royal gravy train after Kate arrived on scene, insisting that they were "senior royals" and should be given a role, and Charles basically told him to fuck off, no deal.

And now with another Sussex mouth getting the bennies of being a royal, they have to beef up Harry's portfolio.

You're the raving lunatic if you don't understand that these people get together with private and press secretaries and discuss this shit.

R124 - very few women show at all in the first three months - in fact, many lose weight. The bump doesn't start to show until well into the fourth month, sometimes not till the fifth month.

Usually, the announcement is just as the first trimester is past. That's why there was no "bump" under the lambskin skirt, and there was no bump under that navy coat last Friday - she;s only 12 weeks along, but she used that coat to make her own announcement on Eugenie's wedding day.

If the Yorks and Cambridges and Camilla hate Markle's guts privately, it's this kind of malicious narcissism that feeds it.

She clearly feels invulnerable. But as the old saying goes, "Pride goeth before a fall."

And for the child's sake, I do hope they announce a change in schedule and she goes nowhere near Fiji and Tonga.

Amniocentesis will be mandatory, as it is for all pregnancies in a woman 35 and over. It's usually done between 15-20 weeks, as there is a risk of complications earlier than 15 weeks. So they'll know pretty soon if DS is present (or any other defects). Then they'll have the choice of aborting or having it. My guess is, if it is a DS baby (and the risk is considerably higher at 37-38 than at 31-32), and they don't want to have it, they'll announce a "miscarriage".

But it will probably be fine - statistics are just statistics.

[quote]If the Queen had any spine, she would refuse to give the 7th in line an HRH and just leave it at Earl of Dumbarton or Lady Mountbatten-Windsor.

That is exactly what they will do. And Charles III won’t change it. He’ll be too busy contending with any backlash to Queen Camilla. Plus William will have a say and he’s inclined toward moderate change. Plus Kate will influence him and she probably thinks Meagain is something to be endured.

[quote] she used that coat to make her own announcement on Eugenie's wedding day.

I have no doubt that is exactly what she did. So unworthy of the place she has. Such a shame for the monarchy to have this clueless fool pulling focus.

[quote]That's because you have no clue as to how the BRF works and the dilemmas they have to address if they are to hold onto a shred of credibility regarding "support" from the nation.

That's not what the original comment alleged. So the raving comment about it still stands.

Im glad she is with child. This gal drives everyone nuts. She did what any respectable gold digger/shameless hussy does. Locks down that guaranteed 18 years + income. Hats off to you Megs.

R127 - I wouldn't put hard-earned money on that. Leaving Harry's kids without HRHs will ID them "less thans" in that hierarchy, and I imagine Charles will feel obliged to show he loves his sons equally, and use his influence with the Queen to argue to get her to grant them HRHs like William's kids, even though Charles knows that the growing tribe of HRHs works against slimming down the monarchy. He's a fool if he does, we've got enough Yuges, Beas, Edwards, Andrews, etc.

R129 - I reread the original comment. It says, "Does anyone else think . . . role for Harry . . . to keep him out of trouble".

You replied NO and asserted the idea was raving lunacy.

It isn't - for all the reasons stated. He's always been a loose cannon, they let him marry his grifter wife and now they need to show him as mature, responsible, stable, and carrying out a "real" role in exchange for his perks.

It really is how the thing works.

R130 - Quite. Without that baby she would never have felt secure enough - it was a foregone conclusion, especially given her age, that she'd get herself in the Club as fast as was decently possible, i.e., long enough after the wedding to head off suspicion that Harry "had" to marry her, but soon enough to head off increasing speculation that she is "too old".

My hat is off to her, too: perfect timing, except for the inconvenient tour. But in her shoes, I'd have done the same - the tour isn't as important as getting that insurance policy in the over, and reassuring Harry that she can give him the family he wants.

And contrary to assumptions, no one is expecting the baby to look like Viola Davis or Chiwetel Eijofor. It probably will look a good deal like Paolo's baby, only with hair like Brillo.

*getting that insurance policy in the OVEN.

R132

R131, the original comment was to keep him out of trouble. It said nothing about earning a public keep, and you're trying to stretch it to fit your statements.

R118 Aide-De-Camp doesn't actually mean much, he gets to wear those gold braided ropes with his military uniform now and may at some point have to cover for the Queen at a military event. William became one around the same time He and Kate announced their first pregnancy.

This poor baby. You know Harry's family and friends with young kids are going to keep keeping their distance because they don't trust Meghan. Who would even want to stand as godparents? The Mulroney's?

R134 - right, and extending the discussion to the other reasons why he needs a role is against the rules? Please. This is a gossip site, not the Oxford Debating Society.

BREAKING live footage of Samantha rushing to KP after hearing the news

R137, you can provide other reasons as much as you wish. The OC as it is, remains stupid.

The end.

[quote]You know Harry's family and friends with young kids are going to keep keeping their distance because they don't trust Meghan

The voices in your head "know". We don't.

The Queen will give the kid an HRH because she'd feel wrong doing to for William's kids but not Harry's. And Charles will agree. And it makes NO sense for Charles to try to shut out the Yorks while giving Harry and his kids special treatment. Harry is the next generation's equivalent of the Yorks.

I agree with a previous poster that if the kid is a girl, Meghan is going to deliver the "Princess Diana" namesake that the public wants.

I guess we can expect a new interview from Thomas Markle Sr. soon. I guess he won't be invited to appear in the christening photos, either, with all the rest of the grandparents..

[quote]The Queen will give the kid an HRH because she'd feel wrong doing to for William's kids but not Harry's

No she won’t. First, she didn’t do it for either Princess Anne’s or Prince Edward’s children. Both set the precedent for being wise enough to elect against it. The last thing the monarchy needs is the appearance of more pigs at the trough Harry’s child or children will never play meaningful roles within the monarchy.

They will be lord and lady

I believe the Queen offered titles to Princess Anne's children but Anne turned them down. Do you really think Meghan (or Harry) will turn down a title for this spawn?

It would actually be a smart move if she did: It would show she's in it for lurve, not to birth a Prince/Princess and grab all the cash/tiaras she can find.

But she probably won't do that.

R144 You're Right. Not to mention Sophie and Edward's children should of automatically become Princess and Prince at birth, but they opted against it themselves. The Queen can do what she wants when it comes to titles, all she has to do is write another Letters Patent, it's not as if a few more HRH hanging around is gonna cause a Constitution crisis, they'll be considered royals by the general public regardless and at her age she probably gives less than half a fuck what her great-grandkids are called.

R142 - R144 is correct. The titles were offered to Anne's and Edward's children; both refused.

Edward had subsidiary titles of his own to pass down, just as Harry does. But Anne did not - titles are inherited through the male line only, with the exception of direct heirs to the Sovereign, as in the current case.

So unless Mark Phillips accepted a title, which he refused, his children with Anne were always going to be Mr and Miss Phillips.

Anthony Armstrong-Jones did accept a title, Earl of Snowdon, so his children with Margaret were Viscount Lynley (now following his father's death the 2nd Earl of Snowdon) and Lady Sarah Armstrong-Jones.

Edward used his subsidiary title, Earl of Wessex, rather than taking a royal dukedom - not least because it was understood that he would succeed to the title of Duke of Edinburgh after his father's death; thus, his children are Viscount Severn and Lady Louise Windsor.

Technically, after his father's death, Edward as the son of a reigning sovereign and now a royal duke, should see his children elevated to HRHs. I wonder if now, with the likelihood that his nephew, a grandson rather than direct son, will be made HRHs by his mother, Edward wishes he had accepted one of those royal dukedoms upon his marriage.

There would be a certain injustice to her own son and grandchildren by him if the Queen goes ahead and gives HRHs to her great-grandchildren now well beyond the regent line.

It's wrong, but she may very well do it.

Another possibility is that she could grant Edward a royal dukedom other than his father's and create his children HRHs so that they are not disadvantaged by Harry's children who are a generation farther removed from her.

I disagree. Bar Prince Andrew they are moving away from titling extended family. Anyway she will take the decision after consulting Charles and William as the next kings. I do not believe those kids get HRH.

The precedent has basically evolved. The children of the heir get HRH, as do the children of the heir to the heir. The decision with regard to Prince Edward’s children clinched it. Subtly reinforced with nothing for Brooksbank when he married Princess Eugénie. They are getting tight with titles. They know it doesn’t sit well in this day and age.

R149 - Edward is a son of the reigning sovereign, and had he accepted the royal dukedom upon marriage, his children would have automatically been HRHs.

William's children are the children of the Heir to the Heir, and they were NOT automatically HRHs, the Queen had to declare them as such. Great-grandchildren of the reigning sovereign no matter who their father is no longer get HRHs. So George, Charlotte, and Louis had to have their HRHs specially bestowed by the Queen issuing Letters Patent to that effect.

The decision re Edward was his, not the Queen's. It was understood he'd inherit the Edinburgh dukedom one day, so he declined Cambridge and Sussex, which were available at the time, and chose instead to be created Earl of Wessex.

The rest I agree with - the plethora of HRHs is a problem. But privileging William's children over Harry's is going to be a personal problem for Charles and the Queen.

They're afraid people will say they are depriving the Sussex kids of HRHs because they're "mixed race". The truth is, it would have nothing to do with that, but given that they didn't have the balls to tell Harry to give up his tacky grifter bride or his place in the line of succession, I won't put it past them to give the kids HRHs - which, were I Edward, would infuriate me.

Does anyone else miss when these threads were about bashing and making fun of MEagain’s fashion choices? All this discussion & debate about royal rules is BORING!

R151, this keeps us busy while waiting for the next fashion disaster.

IMMINENT !

R136, I feel sorry for the kid/s of Harry and Meghan. Little Princess Dividend and Little Prince Insurance Policy...

R150 you are wrong about Edward, the Edinburgh dukedom and HRH for the children. On his marriage he declined HRH being conferred on any children. He accepted an Earldom with the intention that the Dukedom of Edinburgh could be conferred on him once his father dies if it is the Sovereign’s will at the time. “Earl of Wessex” is not his subsidiary title, it’s his title. His subsidiary title is “Viscount Severn” which his son uses as a courtesy title.

There is no intention for his children to be styled as HRH should he eventually become Duke of Edinburgh - the HRH style and his Earldom or Dukedom are not linked.

Why did the queen give Andrew's daughters an HRH and the title of princess if they weren't children of the heir? It seems that if she made Spare-to-the-heir Andrew's kids HRH prince/princess, then she must do the same for Harry's kids, who outrank Andrew's kids.

Because Andrew insisted R156. Andrew has always acted like he's 2nd in line. He cares as much about the pomp and circumstance as Anne doesn't.

Looks like Chelsy isn't quite yet over our ginger prince.

If you missed the drama, apparently shit went down on her instagram comments.

Some jealous fraus kept writing awful things about meghan....the usual racist, sexist shit and then some people defended meghan and chelsy deleted all the comments defending meghan and kept the nasty comments about meghan up.

Is Chelsy the new Camilla? Hmm...

I think Prince Dim will throw a temper tantrum so his and MeAgain's spawn do get titles, as he is an immature, entitled, dim child.

I hope Eug announces her pregnancy just as Markel goes into the hospital. Bea can then announce her engagement when the ginger tendrilett's birth is announced. Finally Andrew and Fergie can announce their intention to remarry when Markel steps out with her postpartum tendrils.

You think Meghan is going to do the post-delivery photo op where she and hubby, still at the hospital, stand on the stoop, holding the baby? That's not really necessary for the spare's kids. But they'll probably do it anyway. Imagine the merch opportunities: "your ring/bracelet will be prominently displayed as Meghan's hand rests over the front of the infant's swaddling.

R151 is correct. There is a thread for all other things BRF. There are a bunch of threads for the "pregnancy" which are easily found. BRF thread link here:

R150 congratulations. You essentially restated my point. Bar letters patent, which you point out are issued as needs must, the precedents are not written in stone or even written down, like the constitution. Plainly the way is paved that Harry’s children will not be HRH. They will get the courtesy titles of the children of a non royal duke.

First formal appearance on Australian tour should be in just over an hour.

R150 also forgets that the sovereign is the font of all honour. If the sovereign wants to call you an hrh and you child lord or lady that’s entirely the sovereign’s call. (Hello HRH The Duke of Windsor and Her Grace The Duchess of Windsor. Diana nearly retained her HRH. ). You don’t get a choice. Sovereign retains the right to determine styles and titles and you take it. That is why letters patent are issued. To reflect the desire of the sovereign with respect to style, title and precedent.

Harry is already on record with that Einstein announcement that nobody in the royal family wants the throne and how he wants a normal life. He seems unlikely candidate for kicking up a fuss about HRH for his children. Meagain is a tougher call. One on hand she would love to mother a secondary royal line, one assumes. On the other hand, it’s all about who so maybe she’s like you’re on your own kid and don’t forget to curtsy when mama brings your corn flakes to the table.

So a boy would be Earl of Dumbarton? I hope it's not a boy, then. What kid would want to spend their life fending off "dumb" jokes?

And if it's a girl, I hope they don't choose Diana as a first name, especially since she would apparently be styled as Lady Diana. That name has far too much baggage to saddle a child with!

Megxit lollllll

Meghan is a piece of shit as a person, but I do hand it to her for playing the BRF like a maestro thus far.

The pregnancy clothes of the past few weeks are fucking ridiculous - at 12 weeks her fetus (if there IS one) is 2 inches longer no and weighs half an ounce. She’s worn bigger earrings.

R155 - Edward "accepted" the title of Earl of Wessex and the understanding about his royal dukedom later on doesn't make sense if it doesn't impact his children. What use is is the ducal title to him if not to raise the rank of his children? He's already got an HRH, he was born with one, so he doesn't need the ducal title to get one. Why wait 30 years for his father to die to get a royal dukedom late in life? And what earthly sense does it make for Edward and Sophie to turn suddenly into TRH the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh, while their children, just as much the Queen's grandchildren as William and Harry, stay the same?

R157 - The Queen did not issue Letters Patent to make Bea and Yuge HRHs nor did Andrew have to "demand" anything. They were born that way, just as Charles's children were. Charles and Andrew are brothers, remember? Both sons of the Sovereign? So their children, grandchildren of the sovereign in the MALE line, didn't need Letters Patent for their HRHs - it continues automatically to the grandchildren of the Sovereign in the MALE line. Anne, however, being female, could NOT pass on her HRH to her children, any more than Pss. Margaret, daughter of a King, could. Hence, the offer of titles to their husbands, so their children could have SOME title. Margaret's accepted, Anne's declined, probably with Anne's hearty approval.

The automatic HRH stops with the children of sons of the Sovereign - in other words, any of her grandchildren born to her sons.

That's why whilst William, Harry, Bea and Yuge were born HRHs, Charlotte, George, Louis, and whoever Harry's kid turns out to be, have to be artificially created HRHs - they are great-grandchildren and the automatic HRH stops with the grandchildren.

Edward's children should have been on the same level as Andrew's and Charles's. Why Edward opted out, I'm not sure. Perhaps there were limited ducal titles available and they knew they would need them for William and Harry one day.

Yes, it's possible that the Queen will decline to make the Sussex baby an HRH. It will most certainly NOT be born one as it's a great-grandchild. Not giving it the HRH would be the right thing to do and draw the appropriate distinction between the second and sixth in line.

But in this particular case, the Queen will be dealing with an extra-sensitive issue: the perception that the Sussex children are "less than" because of their mixed race heritage.

I think there's a chance the Queen will do it but at the same time give Edward his ducal title and style his children HRHs, as well, and also announce that Harry's children are the last ones who will carry an HRH outside of the direct line.

Australia seems thrilled to have HazBean in residence. The Sydney Morning Herald’s live-coverage page has only elicited one comment and this is it:

[quote]Lol, HAHAHA

R172 That's a cute photo of them.

And that's how she should smile. Always.

I am with all of you on the whole merching, publicity whoring, etc of the whole Meghan debacle. I like her less and less every day. Mostly I feel her wardrobe choices of late were to push speculation, especially the damn coat at Eugenie's wedding.

Even though the fetus is small (as R170 is saying), there's so much else going on. About a week after my sister figured out she was pregnant (about 6 weeks in), her whole body began to change. She got super bloated, boobs got bigger, etc. She couldn't button her normal loose jeans. couldn't wear her normal bra or shirts. None of this was because she was "showing", it's because she was bloated. Her friends figured it out well before 12 weeks because of the bloating.

I don't know. I do think Meghan's milking publicity, but just saying that it is sometimes necessary to wear bigger, looser, or maternity wear just because of bloating. Peanut-sized fetus be damned.

R174, I bloated, too. But didn’t need to wear a coat unbuttoned until the last month. And I was too hot all the time to even wear one. Just wore a big wool wrap. That coat at twelve weeks FFS was all for show. Please.

Edward opted out because he thought that he and Sophie were going to be able to continue their professional non royal lives in theater and public relations, but Sophie blew it by spilling beans to a reporter in disguise. And Edward blew it by being a cunt to the theater people. And Edward was also was besotted with the movie Shakespeare in love and he thought that he could capture the masculine sexy spirit of the character the Earl of Wessex and sell his romance as such. I don’t think the Edward and Sophie story really caught on with the public, but they work very hard for the crown and by all accounts HM is very find of Sophie and her children

First pregnancies are the slowest to show; it's common to not need maternity clothing until midway through the second trimester. Wearing a maternity coat to Eugenie's wedding was ridiculous.

Meghan is tiny with a short torso and long legs so of course she will show sooner.

She’s wearing a white form fitting dress by an Australian designer this morning. Maybe all the black clothes were to cover up the pregnancy. Not that there’s anything to cover up yet, as far as I can see.

[quote]First pregnancies are the slowest to show

Not in my sister's experience, so shove it.

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Didn't she used to have tits? Her tiny baby bump is already sticking out farther than her chest.

Oops. I hit “post” too soon. The link above is to a video that shows the view from the side. She looks heavier all over but I’m sure it will completely bypass her toothpicks.

She’s wearing Karen Gee, an Australian designer.

It's a medical fact, R182, regardless of your sister's particular experience. Given Meghan's lifelong fame-whoring, it's a safe bet that she wore the coat for drama, rather than out of necessity.

"Our First Baby Gift"

She looks so much better in white.

Black, grey and navy ages her and makes her look sallow.

Wouldn’t it be something if Phil or Liz (God save the Queen) kicks it a few days before the baby is born? Really if any royal dies before the birth, taking away her attention.

More Meghan down under.

I loathe this woman ― absolutely loathe her vapid, cynical, mercenary ways. But, if we're going to be honest in our bitchery, it must be admitted: The white Karen Gee dress is lovely on her.

What sayeth DL? Is this Sparkle's first true fashion success?

I think if Phil has to go then that would be the perfect time to do it r190. She would be raging internally but have that weird plasticky smile plastered on in public.

So in Australia she wears an Australian designer, but when home in England, no British designers? And yes, as I mentioned here or in another thread, white and ivory really brings out her complexion and gives her some life.

It's certainly fits her better and is in a more flattering color than most things she wears, R192. And it is an Australian designer, so points for that.

This dress points out that she didn't need to pull the coat stunt at the wedding. Her midsection has her usual pooch she's had all along.

You all play the part of the fool so we'll, it really looks so becoming on you.!

R187 - Second that. I watched it on BBC news and that bump is nearly non-existent, and sure as hell didn't need a maternity coat last Friday. It was pure grandstanding, and telling his family at the wedding a deliberate attempt to draw their attention away from the real center of the event. She really is a fucking narcissistic famewhore cunt.

And she refuses to wear British fashion whilst taking the perks of British royalty in Britain, but she's willing to wear an Australian designer in Australia.

Jesus.

The dress is quite nice, by the way, Upthread poster was right: she should have been wearing more white and cream all this time rather than those dismal neutrals that washed her colouring out.

And you can see her uneven hair weaves.

From here out, children, we will alas probably see the tabs call a moratorium on all the delicious shade they've been sending toward Sparkle - no one wants to be accused of attacking a defenceless pregnant woman.

Can a morning sickness diagnosis be far behind? Not to be outdone by Lazy Kate.

She’s an attention whore. And she can’t wait to have that stupid baby bump. Hahahaha she has no idea what’s in store.

R198 as an Australian taxpayer I’m happy to see her supporting a local designer, seeing as we are paying for this part of the trip. I get what you mean about not supporting British fashion, though. I wonder if Jessica has been in town hitting up the local designers? Karen Gee isn’t exactly an internationally recognised brand.

What's in store?

It's not Meghan who is creating all of this bullshit. It's Harry. Very tired of his bouncing all over the map, his tortured face followed by his middle-distant dead-eyed face followed by his pleased, affectionate and smiley face. He brought this woman, whom anyone can see is a freaking narcissistic mess that only a nuclear war could deter, married her, and now she's having a baby neither are remotely equipped to parent. It's like being raised by two freaking Dianas minus Diana's genuine feeling for children. It's all about them, their needs, and they both seem to find fault with others very quickly. Markle was probably told to keep a lid on the pregnancy until after Eugenie's wedding, so what does she do but show up in a perfectly styled maternity silhouette coat (she styled it to look maternity with the top buttons done and the middle and bottom undone) to get people talking. She's vile. She can't tolerate the attention on any other female. She's just a mirror of who he is. I really wonder what has gone on behind the massive PR push for Harry after they swept his Nazi uniform wearing, Vegas nude parading, drunken adventures under the rug smothering it in titles and military affiliations. I don't believe it all ended with his statement that Vegas was too much soldier and not enough prince. That's an insult to soldiers. I think he's still that guy and it's been covered up.

I also think that behind her impeccably queenly facade, QE II has no balls. When I read her history, she gave into her counselors time and time again, particularly on personal matters, even when it affected her marriage. She has not dealt with the miscreants in her family, such as Andrew and Harry. She just throws titles and honors at them. Once - Andrew - it can be , oh, that's too bad, but she has a soft spot for him. Harry happens along and she repeats. I think in terms of her family life, all this "She's the boss" and "She rules" is bullshit. As soon as someone pushes back, she caves. Meghan turned her back on the queen in front of Harry, Meghan made a joke of her outing with the queen by conducting a phantom conversation with her during the performance, Meghan ignores protocol and leaks rumors undermining the other females in the family. What does the queen do? Give Harry another title, let Meghan take her girlfriend on tour. She's weak.

I do believe the reason she doesn't wear British designers in Britain is Jessica Mulroney has been unable to convince British brands that it's ok to merch with a royal. Even though the actual royal family allows it where Meghan is concerned, and Harry enables it, I suspect the long tradition of not crassly merching with royals has made the higher end British labels reticent. I'm sure most of them would rather dress Kate, anyway. Meghan would be willing to wear British, but on the gimme a freebie and pay me terms she wears everything else. Oh, and then say it cost 9 thousand GBP.

R7, Dark colors are fitting for a wraith obsessed with "looking thin."

Yeah, this really required an unbuttoned coat. It looks like her everyday shoebox-torso to me.

R202 - Do you mean for the duration of the gestation or on the tour?

If the former, I must glumly say, not terribly much. All our fashion anticipation will be derailed by maternity clothes within a couple of months, and the tabs will sheathe their claws and coo and gush all the way through the christening (good God, it could be next July before we see another outfit worth talking about or another hint of shade!!!!!) and as for sites like CB and Lainey - don't go there without a large supply of insulin.

If only Yuge would get pregnant immediately!

Say - isn't Lady Amelia Windsor getting married at St. George's too?!

R206 - but the dress suits her better than anything I've seen her in yet, including her wedding dress. Absolutely what she should be wearing, gravid or not.

For fuck's sake, why wasn't she dressing like this before now?!

Can someone explain why Meghan is allegedly hundreds of thousands (or however much) in debt to Soho House? If she was their "brand ambassador" and endorser and traveled to Soho Houses and events around the globe on the company's behalf, wouldn't her travel, accommodations, and expenses be paid for by SH? When celebrities travel somewhere to shoot commercials or print ads, they are not expected to do it on their own dime. Was it that she had a standing room at SH for her "yachting" activities? Even so, her wealthy tricks should have been picking up the tab for everything. Escorts are paid for, not the other way around.

The idea of MM being an ambassador/endorser for SH makes little sense as she wasn't known outside of North America and, even here in the U.S., as a supporting character on a cable show whose viewership seldom broke the 4 million mark in the early seasons and dwindled to half as much as the seasons wore on, she wasn't that recognizable.

I can believe that she is indebted to SH management and personnel to keep their mouths shut about the activities she engaged in on their properties.

Not necessarily will someone tiny with a short torso show earlier. They can carry like a box, squaring off rather than having a projection in front. A number of women I know with that build carried like that. When they are near term they look stocky more than anything else - up until the nth hour and then it finally is an apparent pregnancy.

True 204 but she must get SOME sort of clothing allowance. She should legit buy some British brands, classic ones she can easily "recycle" (Hate that term) and wear those mixed in with her merched/sourced/freebies.

sorry that was meant for r204

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[quote]I loathe this woman ― absolutely loathe her vapid, cynical, mercenary ways. But, if we're going to be honest in our bitchery, it must be admitted: The white Karen Gee dress is lovely on her.

And she only had to travel half way around the earth to pull it off.

So am I recalling properly that once upon a time the serious actress had breast implants that were subsequently removed?

And if so does that bugger the capacity of her remaining tits to enlarge and produce milk etc?

I mean, small price to pay in service of HRH's various ambitions, but curious nonetheless about where the milk maid begins and ends.

"Can someone explain why Meghan is allegedly hundreds of thousands (or however much) in debt to Soho House? If she was their "brand ambassador" and endorser and traveled to Soho Houses and events around the globe on the company's behalf, wouldn't her travel, accommodations, and expenses be paid for by SH?"

I'll try, but I agree there are gaps. Then again, Soho House is very shady, and Meghan is very grasping, so it wouldn't surprise me if she ended up charging all kinds of things to Soho House and dug herself into a hole that way. See Anna DeVry, a fake socialite. You wouldn't think someone like DeVry could scam as much money as she did, but it was enough to put her in jail. It adds up, and she also would go big.

So ok, the story goes that Soho House was pretty much known to be a high end brothel and was interested in changing its reputation. Meghan pitched to them that she was an actress on the rise, just the sort of creative type they wished to attract, and she could help turn around their fortunes. If you read excerpts from her "working actress blog" she is quite full of herself at this time, writing things like, "My name is becoming known. I have weight" - she sees herself as having career heat and being talked about by those who count (fantasy, considering what her career was at the time).

The essential problem was yes, she was comped at Soho house, but that still costs Soho house. The food and the accomodations, and if they ever paid for her travel, that, too (the travel part - actual flights - might indeed be a component of the cost that added up the quickest). AND Soho house paid PR reps to promote Markle on the theory that promoting her would amplify her promoting them. You scratch our back we'll scratch yours, win win.

The problem as it's been reported is the investment they made in her didn't do much for them. I guess they did research and didn't find much ROI. At the same time she and Mulroney were taking full advantage of the comped status; she used the Toronto outpost as her "office." IMO what high profile she had came from Mulroney, but it doesn't seem as if Soho house saw it that way. Anyway, the other piece of it was she always wanted money to go to yacht parties with a young and hot crowd. As this version goes, it doesn't mean "yachting" per se, but she wanted to hang with young people who were rich and partied on yachts, and she got $$$ from Soho to do this. I think there are plenty of people who'd be immune to Markle's hustle but I could totally see someone like her persuading the types at Soho house for a pretty long time before the pressure of the bottom line really made some kind of action necessary. I mean, they're sleazy hustlers too.

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While all this was going on her trajectory was on a collision course with Harry, who was at Soho house a lot, desperate to get married, it was said, but having experienced rejection from both Hollywood and British actresses (guess he wanted a celeb wife). He was eyeing up Soho hostesses. Somewhere in there he and Markle collided. I don't know and didn't read in the account I'm describing that it was pay for play, that his friend had had her and thought Harry just wanted her services or anything like that. Just that she was on the hustle and had gotten in over her head financially and he was on the hunt.

Remember this is a woman who supposedly drained her father's retirement savings and the ghosted him. She lives BIG but couldn't afford it and wanted someone else to pay. And after reading about DeVry I think sometimes big gambles and hustles work better than small ones. If you are grifting hundreds of dollars over time it might look petty and skeevy, but if you are ballsy enough to charge tens of thousands and insist it's for your benefit, sometimes that actually work. There is a narc in my family and the thing with him is he would have no problem fleecing you of every penny then turning around and telling you it was to your benefit.

I don't think the Soho House people who were dealing with Markle were geniuses. They liked the same flash and lifestyle she did. Also, Markle literally had no money. No property. Nothing to take a loan out on, no collateral. It wouldn't take much to put her big in the hole. If it's true, now these debts are also her husbands, and supposedly this is why Charles is not forking out to them - he knows the money would go to her debts. They are supposedly still promoting Soho House.

Kate and Will would have put on the hats.

R211 I guess Charles can't give her money saying, "This is for clothes." In her case, supposedly it's going to other things and when she has money she's not going to purchase clothes with it when she can get clothes free elsewhere.

I don't see why he can't r211 He does it for Kate. It's all accounted for at year's end. Correct me of course if I am wrong.

I wonder if Soho House also paid for The Tig. The server and the IT. Throw another few thousand on the pile. I don't think we're talking a fortune here, just more than Markle can repay on her own, and enough so that it's not small potatoes to Cheapo 400k a year Harry.

We keep talking Markle here, and my dislike of her is strong, but how about Harry? He looks a mess. Is her really a victim of this low rent Bertha Herman? Can he really not work out reasonable payment terms with Soho House, if that is indeed the reason behind her dropping all pretense of NOT merching, and going flagrantly on the stroll even at royal weddings? What is Harry spending his money on? If some of his money is going on whatever causes him to restlessly scratch himself while he and his brother watch their dad give a filmed speech (while all the cameras are ON the brothers watching), look disheveled, act like an OTT version of his former self, and show up with dilated pupils, that's another expense.

R220 - I don't think he gives Kate a cheque labelled 'Clothes". I think he gives each of the boys' households an annual contribution that is supposed to cover a certain amount of their expenses that aren't covered by their allocations from the Sovereign Grant, which is only supposed to cover expense related to "official duties". Charles knows perfectly well that the income from the boys' trusts wouldn't really cover the lifestyles to which they have become accustomed - polo ponies. expensive cars, luxe vacays, and beauty regimens and clothing for their wives that supplements what the Sovereign Grant provides.

If Meghan or Kate decides she wants a sable coat, or a new pair of diamond earrings, or a 51st designer handbag, or William or Harry want a new sports car or another polo pony, and none of these are connected to their "work" on behalf of the monarchy, Charles's annual stipend helps pay for that kind of thing.

This way the boys hold onto more of their personal income. But I don't think Charles's accountant gives them a cheque made out to "Catherine Cambridge, for the purchase of clothes", The accounting at the end of the fiscal period lists the expenses the overall cheque covered.

I think anything else would get quite unwieldy.

^^ This is part of the problem, R223 - no criticism intended, just an observation. They aren’t boys - they haven’t been for a long time. Yet people cut them slack because they still see them as the boys who walked behind their mother’s coffin.

They are both men, closer to middle age than boyhood. One of them has grown up, the other still gets away with his “I’m just a cheeky lad” shtick.

Probably not, R215, but it would depend on the incision site and the placement of the implants. The two problematic situations are 1) periareolar incisions and 2) implants that are sandwiched between the breast tissue and muscle, but neither is the norm these days.

Saline implants are placed beneath the muscle, leaving the glandular tissue untouched, and the most common incision site is under the breast where it connects to the chest.

Cutting around the areola can damage or sever ductal networks and nerves. Placing an implant above the muscle puts a lot of pressure on the glandular tissue, which can cause problems with milk supply. It's possible for some of these things to resolve on their own but given her age, it's unlikely that any of this would be an issue for her.

Her kid will be one of those ginger kids with really frizzy hair and alien eyes.

R224 - I wouldn't argue your point. To a certain extent, in fairness, many parents feel that way about their children.

It's the public feeling that way about Harry that is the problem.

I imagine it is quite hard to mature properly with sycophants all around you.

Immaturity and entitlement are a pretty dismal combination. William got lucky in Kate, who has never wanted anything but to be his wife, the mother of their children, and the center of their family home. Unfashionable but there it is.

The public royal role was at the bottom of Kate's list. The BRF are probably far more appreciative of her low-key persona than the public is.

Meghan, on the other hand, first and foremost wanted the status, the privilege, the public stage, the title - not Harry himself. Of course, she'll do the family thing for him and with any luck, it will work out all right. But that wasn't why she wanted him.

A fine but telling difference, and Harry has to assume responsibility for choosing a woman who would never have looked at him without that HRH in front of his name.

And I still think his choice was part of sticking it to the BRF for the way he believes they treated his mother, and will name the poor little girl, if it is a girl, Lady Diana also to stick it to them. But I do hope he considers the weight of the burden it will place on the poor kid.

None of Princess Grace's children named their female children "Grace" for that reason, and William and Kate also avoided it with Charlotte.

But it would be just like Sparkle and Dimwit to burden a little girl with the baggage of "Lady Diana". And what if the girl comes up short, frizzy-haired, homely, with legs like Sparkles - but carrying the name of the Golden Goddess with some of the most fabled legs of her generation?!

[quote]They are supposedly still promoting Soho House.

Fascinating overview r217. Markles is pretty ballsy to have pulled this all this SOHO "marketing" off from her humble pad (network) in Toronto. Interesting to know the debt incurred and why, now that the lovebirds are married why SH wouldn't forgive the debt. Maybe they have.

So, R217, basically there is nothing in your account that speaks of any "heavy debts".

Since you insist making SH "her office" is the mark of a "grifter", that just comes to show you don't know shit and are recycling other random ignoramus shit from this cesspool known as tumblr.

[quote]PAUL HAGGIS, WRITER-DIRECTOR-PRODUCER When Soho House opened in L.A., I burrowed my way into one of its booths in the bar and almost never left. I would show up around 10 a.m. with my computer and have breakfast, lunch and sometimes an early dinner while writing. My one small criticism would be that writers tend to stay all day and take up the booths.

[quote]DANNY STRONG, CO-CREATOR, EMPIRE I show up, I'll order breakfast, I'll return emails for an hour or an hour and a half, then I'll write for three hours, then order lunch, then write a little bit more. And then sometimes I'll reward myself. In the New York one, they have candy jars; there's not the same sort of candy around in L.A. — they're so healthy!

She looks amazing! Fuck you, septuagenarian cunts! I can understand how Meghan, who is younger than you, exponentially better looking than you, more accomplished than you, better dressed than you (unless it's 1950, where you, umm, amateur? fashion mavens live), and just, ultimately, more than you, annoys. Maybe knitting an activity to fill those sad hours in the facility? I've taken a look, and 85% of this thread is populated by THREE people. Ladies. So much time on your hands? Did a beautiful woman scare you in the 1960s? Certainly you can find a more dignified way to pass time.

Dubbo, NSW tomorrow...

Meet drought-stricken farmers

Visit the Royal Flying Doctor Service

A picnic in Victoria Park

Play netball and football with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander students

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60-74°or 16-23°

Chance of precipitation — 100%

Humidity — 72%

[quote]But it would be just like Sparkle and Dimwit to burden a little girl with the baggage of "Lady Diana". And what if the girl comes up short, frizzy-haired, homely, with legs like Sparkles - but carrying the name of the Golden Goddess with some of the most fabled legs of her generation?!

I would also add Diane's entire body.

Hear, hear, R230.

LOL, try hard much, R230? You so don't get the vibe of this place, but it's amusing to watch your high school reasoning skills try. Drink another Coke. Or maybe some bleach.

R234 Triggered much, girlie? It's a new day and a new "place." You can't relentlessly shit on people just because you're garbage. True, unadulterated and uncollected, garbage. Drink what you will, but don't get caught before lights out!

LOL... you're fun. Keep going!

[quote]Usually, the announcement is just as the first trimester is past. That's why there was no "bump" under the lambskin skirt, and there was no bump under that navy coat last Friday - she;s only 12 weeks along, but she used that coat to make her own announcement on Eugenie's wedding day.

It was the coat at the wedding the turned me, officially. I was on the fence about her up til then but with the announcement today it's clear she was playing passive-aggressive games with her clothing the past several weeks. Teasing the public and the press. I read somewhere today that KP knew weeks ago she was pregnant and asked that she and Harry wait to announce after the current tour, but they refused since they thought it would impose on MM to have to 'hide' any bump that was showing....as of today of course, what bump?

It was obvious the family knew, William and Kate were in on it at the wedding when they all arrived together in the car that pulled up to the church side entrance, with MM and Harry getting out 1st on the inside door and quickly strolling in. That was planned no doubt; MM's wan small smile and the timid touch of the hair (her now go-to tic when arriving to events) seemed a bit more coy than usual on Friday. Now we know why.

God, she’s such an asshole.

Is she only wearing Australian designers though because the clothes are free? I doubt she purchased them, could they be freebies or loans? Fuck, she's SUCH an asshole. But I will concede she looks good in the white dress. Would have preferred to see her hair in a chic ponytail though. Those nasty, ratty tendrils bring the look down.

Everywhere I’ve read about the pregnancy the comments are dragging her for being a petty, vicious cunt in hijacking Eugenie’s wedding with the LOOK AT ME! coat and the timing of the announcement. She’s really not helping herself.

R240 Maybe you should stay out of the comment sections? That's where the under-utilized crazies have their say.

r171, re your first paragraph: I thought Edward specifically wanted the Edinburgh dukedom because of its connection to his father, that was the main draw. Of course he could have had another dukedom, but he wants that one and has to wait until Philip passes to obtain it. In the meantime he took the lesser title of Earl of Wessex.

I don't think he or Sophie have any inclination to change their children's ranks or styling though; even if the become Duke/Duchess of Edinburgh, Lady Louise will remained as she's currently styled. Their son would take on a new subsidiary title, mostly likely an Earldom, but would otherwise keep his rank/style (non-HRH). I thought the original point of styling them as non-Royals was to give them an easier time in life, professionally and personally.

re s2nd part of your post: glad you corrected the misconception that Andrew has to 'ask' for his daughters titles. Those were assumed by them at birth as explained. One small correction: "the automatic HRH stops with the children of sons of the Sovereign" - incorrect. It stops with all children of sons of the monarch -except- the eldest son/child of the heir to the heir; essentially the eldest great-grandchild in the male line who is heir automatically is also HRH Prince/Princess of the UK at birth, no Letters Patent needed to upgrade.

QEII took the step of issuing an LP before George's birth to make -all- of William's future kids HRH Prince/Princess. She has yet to issue this decree for Harry's offspring and bets are being made if she will or won't. I'm personally leaning toward no, given the public mood and Charles's oft-expressed desire to 'slim' down the monarchy going forward. They will automatically become Prince/Princess of the UK at the moment of the Queen's death anyways, in a few years time - although whether they take the elevated rank or remain styled non-royal a la the Wessexes remains to be seen.

OMG, just block R234 and it will all disappear. She's a fucking drunk moron with a limited vocabulary.

The incessant hand holding is saccharine and annoying. You know she's ordered him to make it their 'thing' and you know he's too whipped and dim to say anything but yes, dear.

Why r241? You think they’re not entitled to an opinion unless it matches yours? Here’s the thing - she will never be universally popular. That’s just life, you’ll get over it.

Are these attacks on posters what Sugars do when they're upset? Because you're always going to worship Meghan Markle, so you'll never actually be able to win. Anything.

Re this debate about the titles for Harry's kids; I think behind the queen's "Here Comes the General" demeanor is someone weak who gives in when pushed. Andrew always got his way. She has never ever ever gotten her family under control. While I realize it's just a family and she's not a marriage counselor, both Diana and Fergie pleaded with her about Charles and Andrew and she just threw up her hands. I think she's relied on a combination of indirection plus "see no evil, hear no evil" all these years. Harry is putting it to the test and he's actually exposing her. Every time the ante is upped, he gets more. He can get more and more rotten which will require more and more from the queen to legitimize him, and she'll give it to him. What a racket.

I think most of what Harry says is bullshit. When he said nobody wants to be king, he said it because it's William who will be king, not him, and he wanted to do the child's thing of pretending nobody wants it anyway. Nobody as attention seeking as Harry, a guy who was supposedly a second brother to Kate and her good friend, would want to at the same time "one up" and "show up" his brother in the wife department simply because he was seething with jealousy over the popularity of their union. That one blew up in his face, but he hasn't learned. It's a game he can't win but he tries. He over-values "popularity." He should be happy Will and Kate are popular. That's the only chance the monarchy has of enduring, and if it doesn't endure, Harry is fucked.

R244 No, I only really "know" that you're my gran and you're cranky from long days in the facility with your two bitchy "friends?" Without the three of you, 85% of the posts here wouldn't exist. You post and then reply, reply to one another, like in the old days with your landlines. Please, gran, take every pill the nice boy brings around tonight.

I meant R230, not R234 as a block candidate. Sorry R234. I meant the sugar idiot who starts slurring and using what she thinks are clever buzzwords.

R242 If Edward is granted the Duke of Edinburgh title his son Viscount Severn will assume Edward’s subsidiary title which would be...Earl of Wessex! And if Edward’s son has a son of his own by then, he gets the next title in the hierarchy, which would be Viscount Severn.

It’s how the aristocracy works - someone dies and all the direct heirs shuffle up a notch and take on (usually) their fathers’ previous title.

Thanks, R216/217 for taking the time to explain. That makes a lot of sense. It hadn't occurred to me that she would try to charge all sorts of other stuff to SH accounts or credit cards (of course not, it's something I would never dream of doing). The cost of the PR company, her ridiculous blog, clothes, etc.,etc. probably even her animals' vet care. It really took some stones to promote and lie about herself the way she did and a total lack of conscience and shame, too boot. She's been called a narcissist over and over again here, but all of this activity requires a lack of empathy or conscience. She's as much a sociopath as she is a narcissist to pull all of this off.

It's curious that despite how many of her expenses were probably charged to SH accounts or credit cards, that she feels beholden or in their debt. Ostensibly, she's not legally liable as her name is most likely not associated with the financial institutions providing SH the financing. Which leads me to believe that they are aware of unsavory activities of hers and can provide proof. If she ghosts people, she's perfectly capable of ghosting SH and debts. Prostitution, drugs, Arab and Russian clientele? I suspect these sorts of things coming to light is the only thing she's truly afraid of.

r249 It makes me sad, gran, that you have so much sadness in your heart and that you can only manifest it as anger at people who try and do good. Block away, but I'll be sad for you always. Always.

Yes I knew that r250, about sons taking on their fathers previous title.

I don't believe that the Wessex earldom was the current subsidiary title to the Edinburgh dukedom though. I though that was Earl of Merionith, followed by Baron Greenwich. These may or may not follow the Dukedom if/when it's assigned to Edward at a later date though; possibly new subsidiary titles might be attached, with the highest one then going to son James. Perhaps that will be Earl of Wessex - who knows.

LOLz from the Mail:

I look more pregnant after a big dinner.

Ridiculous woman with an even more ridiculous dimwit husband has her foot in the door now. Mission accomplished. She can call up Serena, Amal, flat faced jessica and say hey girl, the plan worked. We nailed him. Disgusting....

One good thing about how quickly this whole marriage/wedding and baby thing is happening, is that it just means we get to the inevitable that much faster! Yay!!! :)

She played her hand perfectly. Wow

Beats selling barbecues while showing cleavage I suppose.

Australia would come out to see David Hasslehoff.

One could follow Markle's travels on The Tig. Suits only filmed sixteen episodes a season, and Markle's role was very small. She certainly had the time. The amount of wine, travel and leisure with friends promotion on The Tig definitely suggests Soho might have been funding the running of that too. The other thing is that although it was rumored or reported that Suits paid her Toronto rent, that would only be while the show filmed. During that time it was considered Markle was on location since Suits was produced in the U.S. They wouldn't have paid in the off season, but she never went back to L.A., just stayed in Toronto. Granted that she had Corey the Chef for awhile there, who paid her rent in the off season? It was her only residence. It was also not that expensive, as I recall. She decorated it with a combination of faux-vintagey consignment store finds, the ubiquitous Ikea faux sheepskin, and some of it as well looked like wherever one purchases resin-based bedroom furniture, but you never really saw the details in her instagram. They were selfies, she'd filter and frame the shit out of it. When she moved out and the house went on the market it was decently re-styled in the interior but kind of sterile, and the backyard was a wreck, with the decking looked like the finish was off and it was kind of warped.

Meghan's only authenticity is that she is a narcissist. My sympathies to the fetus in her womb. And fuck you sugar with your desperate lard ass diabetic rants.

R256 You sound bent, gran. Owned, much? xoxo

R257 = Trumpkin

R223, and this is why Charles is supposedly not helping Harry. The story goes like this:

1. Meghan's debts are now Harry's debts. Richer for poorer and all that. 2. Charles has made it clear Meghan's debts are Harry's problem and not a Charles responsibility. 3. Harry enables Meghan's merching because it's better than Harry spending his own money or shares or whatever on her debts or whatever the hell else makes her a money pit. 4. So, Charles, who under normal circumstances certainly would supplement Harry and his spouse as he supplements Will and Kate, because he's fair, is not doing so. This is because he knows the supplement, which, as you point out, is not specified by the accountant as "for polo ponies" or "for new motorbike" but is rather a sum the couple is expected to spend themselves - would not go to supplement their style of living but go straight to Meghan's debts. So until whatever Meghan's pre-existing money problem is is resolved, Charles has no intention of having his own funds purposed for paying it off. Until it's paid off, it's Harry's problem. Hence, Meghan's nonstop merching, as better merching than Harry's pocket.

A component of this game is taxes. Meghan is still a US citizen. So how is all of this managed? I imagine she uses some of the money, however much it is, to pay what she owes, but also for herself. But if she has to shuffle the accounts around or hide transactions lest Uncle Sam notice (not to mention whomever the God of British taxes may be), she may be squeezed still despite bringing in a decent amount of $$$.

Which makes me wonder if the arrangement is not, give me the clothes but put the money in Jessica's account, which skips the US and U.K. altogether, as Jess is Canadian. And as Jess is in the fashion business, she can write it off as being paid for services or something. And she gets the $$ to Meghan piecemeal.

R254 “Australia would come out to see David Hasslehoff” - I’m dying here 😂

Jealous, hateful, hateful queens in this thread. SMH. Get it girl!

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She’s wearing flats because she’s about to get on a boat. She changed back into her heels once they had disembarked. One doesn’t board a boat with pristine timber decking wearing stilettos.

Because you asked for it.

In r262 photo...Maybe they are made for each other? She is really tiny!

This debacle has Harry showing his ass. MM was , is, and will be what we know by now. She is nothing if not consistent in self-absorption and ambition. But Harry is looking like a real putz, the charm is gone, he’s nervous, and downright twitchy. I suppose this is who he always was. Other than his status, of course, he is no prize as a man. Cheap, insecure, self indulgent...maybe he chose well for himself? He clearly is not who he was portrayed to be.

I like the dress. It looks nice. I don’t care for such a body conscious style in her capacity as a royal. i’d Like to see her show a bit humility, less focus on her little yoga bod. More focus on people she is meeting, and the crown she represents. Life is not a fashion show.

I know we are here for fashion in this thread, but I would like to see some dignity in the presentation. Sleeveless is too casual as not a garden party..perhaps a fitted blazer, or scarf, come on class it up!!

The hair looks fake, in texture and color. Needs some dimension, looks too flat and wig like.

Missed opportunity to re-cycle Ralph Lauren's "fabulous" nautical look he gave her at Wimbledon, for the Aussie sailing jaunt at r262.

I kind of see what you mean r266. Something like these outfits that Kate wore would have been a tad more "regal" and sophisticated for MM's appearance.

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Yes, Thank you r269! Even Michelle Obama got heat for the sleeveless look. For garden party okay,but MO would often wear cardigan over sleeveless tops It only would take a bit more fabric, even a Cap sleeve, to make it more tasteful and appropriate. How did dressing well, and appropriately, is to show respect for the people that you are meeting. So you may look fantastic in a speedo, but it doesn’t mean you would wear that for all occasions.

Did you see how flat she is in her white dress?

So now tell me again how she could not wait 15 days before announcing she's pregnant.

Yes it does r270, and that’s unseemly for a Royal...I guess she’s staying so step it up. And PH has the get it together too! His hair is a mess, he needs to splurge on a trip to the barber. He may be balding,but no excuse to be shoddy..he’s looking dilapidated, lately. Narcissists suck the energy so he needs to spiff it up. I think he likes to be bossed around, so MM has to push him i guess

Maybe she just found out about pregnancy? Couldn’t wait to tell the press..she’s so dumb because in firted share dress it’s so obvious she did not require maternity coat at the Church. She couldn’t keep her coat on at an outdoor event outside last week, in such a hurry to show off her green outfit, remember? You u know, the vegan friendly one?

That was meant to be fitted sheath dress

In the pic where they are disembarking the plane, where she is holding the folders, you can see the nappy regrowth or her own hair if it's a wig.

This is the state of her hair on her first walkabout in Australia as seen on the FRONT PAGE of the Sydney Morning Herald.

R277 Yes, you horrible racist fuck. Meghan is 50% African American. Her hair reacts to humidity. Does that really offend you so much? Scary to think of what you, let alone your hair, look like. But, absolutely, you busted her. The duchess has African American hair. Please, crack on until your white hood is out of the communal dryer.

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FF Blocked r278

It looks as if she neglected to brush her hair after she got off the boat at R277. Are you saying she should be at least 50% exempt from brushing her hair, R278, or that African Americans are prone to poor grooming by virtue of their hair characteristics?

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Not R277 or R278, but if MM is not proud of her Af-Am hair, and is trying to make it Caucasian looking, she should pay more attention to grooming and maintenance.

R278 calm your tits, her hair is a mess and it’s not racist to say so.

They've arrived.

I just want to thank the The SSAATroll ™️ as well as all as all interns. Much appreciation to all. Excellent work.

The outfit MeAgain is wearing today is actually presentable and rather chic. The off white sleeveless shift and beige coat look good. Can somebody please start a thread about her clothes on this tour?

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On a model:

When did she wear the muddy, puckered shirtdress?? It had to be after the pretty white dress. AAAAAGGGGGHHHHHH! We were so close! Oh, well. I agree with R289; at this point it is comforting to see her resort to type. Which is such an odd thing.

What. A. Dump

Cape and shoes:

I guess she didn't care about that pristine timber after all, R263.

Where's the mud on the dress?

Obviously the most knocked up woman ever in the history of time. LOOK AT THAT MASSIVE BUMP!

This baby will be universally despised by the time it's born.

That is a real point, R297. MM generates so much controversy that it's impossible for some of the dislike not to spill over toward her child.

I think the green dress is fine EXCEPT it's soooo obviously a designer's flawed throw-away that would never have made it out of quality control let alone on a sales floor. Its stitching on the right from the collar down to the bust line and center is totally screwed up like someone wasn't minding the sewing machine. Reminds me of R583 from the previous thread. It's the best Jessica Mulroney could cadge from Brandon Maxwell

[quote]That Meghan's girlfriend has to work the phones and email and hustle clothes for her, that it doesn't happen without prompting, says a lot. It would also explain why so much of what she receives is crap. "Well, let's give her this. It's been discontinued." "Oh Jaime, would you pull the first rendition of that cocktail suit from storage? The one we're now doing cropped, with a reworked jacket. The first rendition has a massive peplum dragging off it to the knee - you can't miss it."

True r298. That said, I am already seeing the tides turn over at the DM. Now people are sticking up for MM. I am still really pissed at how she stole Yuge's thunder. But out of it all i ended up become an unlikely fan of hers. She could have lashed out, or subtweeted something bitchy, but she kept her composure. Well done Yuge!

It seems there are as many sugars (?) around this site as Russians... do they all deploy from some central site to defend the honour of their worship?

Hi Boris, at r301 do you care to make some sense of your comment? Or are you still (not very well) learning the language?

I thought the BRF would pick up the clothes tab for this Australian tour (since it appeared they did for the Ireland mini tour). But this latest dress shows that she is being left to her own devices. You would think that even if they don't like her they would care how she represented them. Apparently not. I wonder if Charles withdrew his allowance sometime ago and they are living off of Harry's inheritance? Still, even with limited funds she could still manage a decent wardrobe if she tried. There's no excuse for looking so unkempt.

That trench coat looks like a tent on her. I suppose with her showing so much it's hard to find something she could button.

You are being facetious right r304 ? She is "showing" about as much as she did in her smallest days...about two weeks ago in a leather pencil skirt. Her fake maternity coat on Friday was just that, fake. She looks just as small and shapeless in her white dress in OZ as she ever has.

I think she looks lovely in the white dress. Why is everyone here so fixated on criticizing women's bodies? why do you care?

So now we can't criticize someone who is obviously playing the tackiest media game?

Nice to know R306.

Yes, R305. R304 was being facetious.

Fuck off frau at r306

We’re not criticizing women’s bodies r306 we’re criticizing one woman who is so rapacious for the spotlight she usurped a wedding to get back on the front page. She dresses terribly, her hair is always a mess, she’s very obviously merching and is using formal events to do so. We are criticizing one specific woman.

The guy in the background has got to be an Aussie DLer

I didn't say you can't criticize someone (R307) - you talk about her playing a game, fine, criticize that. But this whole thread is about pulling apart the appearance of a woman who actually looks great, and it's beginning to look like jealousy - also like some gay men have weirdly ridiculously high standards of appearance for women. You're looking for faults that aren't even there. I'll give you the merching thing - yeah she likely is doing that, and probably being over-hungry for the spotlight, and I can see why it's annoying, it's just the constant criticisms of her appearance aren't even justified.

What the fuck is she doing doing with those sleeves? Horrible.

R312 But they are Blanche, they are.

Can we please jettison the frau at r312 ? Nothing to say, but many words to try and say it.

R312 There's tons of posters here.

Some are harsh about her appearance, others criticize the media game.

As DL is anonymous you can't know who is who so no need to generalize.

So pregnant. So tender to the touch.

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If you don't like it here r312, leave. This is our safe space to critique the sartorially challenged Duchess of Tendril. Jealous? Not in the slightest.

R278, It doesn’t mean it’s racist to comment on real hair creeping up from under a wig. Dumbass.

As for the humidity down under,would that even affect fake hair?

Heavens! She looks like Fitness Barbie in R318...if Barbie was brunette and her face had been left too close to a heater and slightly melted.

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Oh, god. Mulroney's facial work looks particularly hideous in the 7/11 shots. And her legs are so much worse than the duchesses Her body from the waist down is quite weird.

Well Doria's had a busy week. Spotted her at Euge's wedding and now she's back in LA

R311 I don’t know why anyone would chose to bunch up the sleeves of a trench coat.

In R311: Oh my God! It's my boss, the SSAA troll!

R325, to make sure the merched bracelet on the wrist gets maximum exposure?

Just ignore the hysterical Sparkle Frau. Wandered in from CB and thinks we actually start to cry when she calls us playground names.

Well, now, to the matter at hand: a real HIT with the white Karen Gee dress (great colour, nicely fitted, proper length, simple, tasteful), followed by a Classic Sparkle Miss with the olive green shirt sleeve dress. Another drab neutral that washes her out, pulls at the bosom, loads of cloth on the bottom. She looks like a WAC who altered her uniform herself in the tent for a dance at the mess.

Has anyone started a What Shall We Name the Baby thread yet? Oh, all right, I guess its early days.

The tour is 16 days long. We need a separate MM disastrous outfits thread, please!

1) not a Meghan fan. 2) No idea what CB is. 3) I haven't called anyone names. But okay.

What is SSAA?

The Queen absolutely gets her way when she wants, R203. Didn’t she make Will and Kate change the name of their firstborn? Kate wanted him called Alexander, but the Queen insisted on George as a first name, after her father. She could have let them have their way, it’s not like they wanted to name him Brooklyn or Ivory Selfie Stick. And I suspect she did it again with their second son. Nobody in this day and age would want to call their baby Louis.

We just assume she’s weak because she doesn’t address the fundamental issues - Charles dallying with Camilla or Andrew’s questionable behaviour, but maybe she doesn’t see them as a big deal. In her world, men are entitled to have mistresses, etc.

That said, I do believe she was not prepared to deal with MM. Meghan really checkmated her with that letter, warning that any action against her will be seen as racism. And it was all downhill after that.

R332 Well SHE IS WEAK.

If she has more problem with William and Kate calling their baby Louis or Alexander, than with Meghan's and Andrew's shenanigans she is the problem in the family and should just resign.

Speak about priority.

The white dress was very good; no snark. I hope she gets to keep it.

One of my quibbles with her coats is that they always have ugly cheap-looking black buttons. Maybe I’m an old fuddy-duddy, but good coats have good buttons. The better labels will have real horn buttons, not black plastic ones. A good camel-hair will always have brown buttons. Maybe that coat cost $5000, but it looks like it came from Wal-Mart. She’s always making expensive clothing look cheap.

^^ I remember Star Jones (she’s a lawyer!) talking about buying nice buttons and sewing them on her cheap suits to make them look better.

I’m not sure if she actually fooled anyone, but I think her instincts were correct. The little finishes and details are important. Someone mentioned the glaring zipper on the back of one of her dresses. That’s the kind of thing. Dragging hems, bare zippers, ain’t plastic buttons, plastic wrap still clinging to a handbag...

^^ shiny plastic buttons

R332 Where's the proof the Queen insisted on them to call him George? Sounds like bull to me, especially considering she never did the same to Charles and Di when William was born, he doesn't even have George as a middle name. he does have the middle name Louis tho, which is where that name comes from, the Queen would never insist her great grandchild be given a french name, let alone one connected to the french monarchy.

The usual french bashing I see.

There's no real french monarchy since more that 200 years, but yeah that's obviously still a problem for the English Queen

A Windsor giving up drinking, did hell just freeze over? Princess Margaret's ghost will be furious!!

R337 - I think the " nix the baby name " story concerned Princess Beatrice. Andrew and Fergie wanted to call her Annabel but the Queen found it unacceptable. She didn't want any granddaughter of hers to be named after a popular London nightclub.

R340 Oh, that explains why it took 2 weeks for the palace to announce her name.

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[quote] he does have the middle name Louis tho, which is where that name comes from, the Queen would never insist her great grandchild be given a french name, let alone one connected to the french monarchy.

Ever hear of Louis Mountbatten?

R339, if being deprived leads to binges... Harry’s gonna take a big tumble off that wagon

Harry is going to have to "suddenly" make overseas trips to make up for party (booze) deficit come November.

(R316) - just a quick point, I didn't generalize as I was very specific about saying 'some gay men' in my post (312). The majority of people on this board are gay men, the majority of posts to thread are about Meghan's appearance, so I very much doubt they're all or even mostly coming from women - just from a statistical point of view. I never generalize about sexuality in itself but these two things coming together are notable in this instance - men who are not attracted to women but are very (critically) invested in the appearance of a particular woman. This is why that point was relevant.

Funny optical illusion. Click on link and scroll to the 4th large image where MM is bent over speaking to the crowd. If you look to the right of the photo, the blurred (to the eye) left side of the photo looks like MM is naked from the waist down.

R339 - Needing to be “supported” doesn’t sound very good.

r348 - It's what "pregnant couples" do r348.

The name Louis is probably a nod to Phillip's and Charles' favorite uncle and mentor who was assassinated in 1979.

One white dress = good

Other outfit is the color of dirt = bad.

Style Rating: 1 out of 2

Good one, r347. Made me LOL.

R348, I agree. I think it’s the “going out with the lads” part that she’s trying to stop. Which can also be a problem.

Meghan in front of the Sydney Opera House.

Duchess Dangling at your service!

She looks pregnant here.

My predictions: (1) Meghan will be huge in her pregnancy (she doesn't have the height or figure of Catherine) and (2) I wouldn't be surprised if Dimwit strays while she is pregnant (unless of course he's too afraid of what she might to do to him if he's caught!).

Tedious Habit No# 1: Hair touching

Tedious Habit No# 2: Finding The Camera

Tedious Habit No# 3: Excessively Tactile and Clingy

Tedious Habit No# 4 - Playing Coy

Tedious Habit No# 5: Guffawing in Public

Right, r352. If it’s true, there is no good option. Either he kept up his lads’-night-every-night drinking schedule post-marriage or MM giving up alcohol is something so drastic as to require support. Or both.

[quote]“When they are in London, they have been spending more nights in together as he cannot go out drinking with friends like he used to.”

[quote]Meghan herself has spoken about how much she enjoys alcohol.

So, he's banned from guys' nights out with his friends? Sounds like a typical straight marriage to me.

I think it's usual when people get married that they stay in together as the norm, or maybe socialise with other couples. It's healthy to have some nights out by yourself seeing friends, for both partners, but it would be odd if he was out every night drinking with his mates as a married man with a baby on the way.

I never understood why people call meg clingon when it's harry who does the clinging. If you watch video clips and gifs of them you'll see it's harry who grabs on to her, pulls her toward him, takes her hand and puts HIS hand on her back. Tons of evidence out there but still the fraus shriek.

I think pda offends them so much because they lack it in their own sad lives. There are no royal rules that say they can't hold hands or even that it is inappropriate. Charles and Camilla hold hands all the time. And so do other royal couples.

And the criticism about touching her hair, looking at the camera (although I've never seen her look at the camera directly), acting coy etc all that was literally said about kate too before meghan entered the scene. Probably from the same people.

R364 - If you haven't seen MeAgain looking for and into the cameras, then you're either not looking, or blind.

And you've obviously missed her taking his arm and putting her hand on his back in myriad photos.

And the hip-swaying sashay walk when she knows she's being photo'd from the back.

Please. The woman is a congenital attention whore.

You don't suppose for a moment that she'd have look at this balding, gap toothed, dimwit who is four years younger than she is if his name hadn't been Windsor with an HRH in front of it, do you?

He was the answer to the prayers of a 35-year old "actress" with only one decent role in 15 years of trying, and that gotten for her by the husband she dumped swiftly afterward, who knew her dramatic talents were limited, she wasn't a great beauty, and she'd be aging out of the ingenue roles she wanted in ten minutes, competing for them with actresses in their early twenties.

If her dreams of going from a D-lister to an A-lister were to be realised, she needed another route. Enter: HRH Prince Henry Charles Albert David, second son of Britain's next King and younger brother to the one after that, grandson of HM Queen Elizabeth II.

Problem solved.

"their own sad lives" -- Universal code signifying dumbfuck sugar authors

R364 Harry being a cling on doesn't negate that Meghan is a cling on without any initiation by Harry, an example being(note the lean it, she does that alot):

R366 Hit a nerve, did I? If you can't see how fucking sad and pathetic it is to whine about a couple holding hands or back or whatever, I genuinely feel sorry for you. You act like they have their tongues in eachothers throats.

Yes, I feel secondhand embarrassment for you because it's like you're admitting no one ever wants to hold your hand. And I can see why.

And please stop with the cringey "sugar". No one uses that outside tumblr fraus where it came from. Some middle aged frau who try to invent slang came up with that. Fucking cringe.

Oh noes she leaned in! Oh how dare she get so close to her husband. Stage 5 clinger right there!

Could you please show some evidence that I have once whined about this couple (or any other) holding hands? Put me on ignore and check my posting history.

"Hit a nerve, did I?" -- Further code denoted dumbfuck sugar author.

R364 Meghan looking straight down the lens of the camera... there are countless photo's just like this, there's at least 4/5 from Christmas Day alone.

I'm confused by the idea that Harry is allowed to initiate contact in public but Meghan isn't? Maybe they're just affectionate with each other.

Pathetic.

R368 - You couldn't hit a nerve on DL with a map and an Uzi.

[quote] Maybe they're just affectionate with each other

Pretty much. Daily Mail posted this yesterday & they were being affectionate in private. Although why she is wearing heels for a walk across a hilly lawn is beyond me, the gardener is gonna be pissed.

I think the issue here is that protocol has been that royal couples have traditionally avoided public displays of affection. When they're at a walk-about they're working. (They do walkabouts for a living.) Imagine you're at work, and when you walk down the hall at the same time as your partner, you hold his hand. Or you rub his back in the lunchroom. In that context, it seems kind of high-schoolish. In this case, it seems like a way to make photo opps more attractive to the paps...and to display a merched ring or bracelet.

R376 No such thing.

I don't know who made that up but it is not true. It has never been royal protocol.

Many royals are physically affectionate. Prince Charles and Camilla hold hands all time and have kissed before. Just because William and Kate aren't as touchy doesn't mean it's some rule that says no pda.

There is such rule:

[quote]Public displays of affection are frowned upon for the Royal Family–especially when traveling. Royals are expected to never make those from another, more conservative, culture feel uncomfortable by showing signs of affection publicly. Case in point: William and Catherine's stoic poses during their visit to the Taj Mahal in 2016.

R377 - you really don't have a clue, do you? Please refrain from making a fool out of yourself.

R378 - as the Taj Mahal was the site of one of Diana's most notorious PR exercises ("look at poor little unloved me, despised by my adulterous husband, alone in front of this monument to love!"), I would imagine that discretion was the better part of valour on Kate's and William's part at this particular site.

R379 You fucking idiot frau. There is no such rule.

Harpers bazaar? How about the actual source? Go on. I'll wait.

Let me make this clear for you thick headed fraus.

There is no rule that says royals cannot hold hands or show pda. Of course they're not going to show pda in places like say india. That has nothing to do with any royal rule. That is common sense and showing respect in countries that frown upon it.

R375 - Yes, they're "private" and they haven't a clue that they might be being photographed, except she's wearing stilettos in the back garden.

[quote]There is no official rule per se preventing them from showing public displays of affection. Grant Harrold, former butler to Princes William and Harry, told TIME that when it comes to hand-holding and moments of touching, it “depends on where the royals are and what situation they’re in.”

[quote]“The British Royal family has been creating etiquette rules for centuries,” Harrold said. “The Royals adapt etiquette for what is best at that point in time.”

R383 You're right, it didn't click what was actually going on there until after I posted it.

Thirs—*hic*—ty and Thirstier will be visiting drought-stricken farmers today. Any of our Nosferatus care to predict the total cost of the outfit she choses for this event?

I'm hoping she tries to copy one of Kate's country-casual looks but instead of 15-year-old $600 boots, Bean's will be $3k and still have the foam protective wrap on the zipper pulls. Barring that, I'd like to see the dragging white Wimbledon pants make a comeback....during a torrential downpour....on ground that had been reduced to dust.

I think that Harry and MM holding hands is really sweet. I think that MM is just very affectionate by nature and there is nothing wrong with that. People who are naturally affectionate would have a hard time turning it off completely.

I like that two dresses that MM has worn so far. Both were flattering and stylish.

In light of the recent pregnancy news, Samantha Markle's visit just made it even more likely that the Markles will never see or have a relationship with any of MM's children. That video of Samantha dropping off a letter at Kensington Palace will live on in a bad way.

Does anyone know who paid for Samantha's visit? That visit like the Thomas Markle working out pictures could not have happened at a more perfect time. After that Kensington Palace visit, very few people will question MM keeping her distance from the Markles.

[quote]very few people will question MM keeping her distance from the Markles.

You seem to forget, she IS one of the Markles.

What if a marriage once prone to OTT PDAs and clingness goes south? Can the characters sustain appearances in public so as not to arouse suspicions or become the targets of speculative press coverage or ridicule about the state of their previously lovey dovey relationship? What happens when public starts noticing that there are no more hands on the smalls of the backs, no more hand-holding, no more affectionate pats on the shoulder or hands on the thighs? I don't think the reaction would be "Oh, the novelty has just worn off." or "They're an old married couple." Imagine if Charles and Diana had started out as Harry and Meghan did (not that it would ever have happened since Charles was so Edwardian in manner) then it ceased over a short period of time. Would not look good and the tittering and speculation would have commenced long before it did in and in wider circles.

What if all of he present Sussex cooing turns into barely concealed contempt? "Meghan caught Harry in bed with Chelsy!" "He must have found out about all of her yachting partners!" "Harry drinks so much he can't get it up any more!" "Meghan found out Harry's not Charles' flesh and blood or royal and has lost interest."

R388 She is one of the Markles, but the Markles aren't one of the British Royal Family.

R389 MM is an actress, so I think that she can keep up appearances when necessary. Also, they are in the honeymoon stage AND they are expecting a baby. They are bonding in their new marriage and excited about the new baby. I would expect them to be very lovey-dovey.

Any marriage can go down hill fast, but these two seem to really love each other and understand each other. I am not too worried about them on that front.

R389, it’ll wear off. Remember, they barely had time to get to know each other. He’s still in the honeymoon phase.

He’s gone from single lad to locked-in dad in the span of about a year.

His head must be spinning, and when he comes to, things will get fun. He’s not used to being told what to do, hahahahaha.

Frankly, R389 has a point in his first sentence. The English, especially the royals, have traditionally been more reserved in public - it goes with a certain psychic distance between themselves and the hoi polloi. But it's not a hard and fast rule, and no one would have called the Queen Mum cold and reserved, and she almost never physically touched people she met in the performance of official duties.

Diana is the poster girl for R389's point - everyone, but EVERYONE, especially the media, made such a FUSS over how affectionate and tactile she was, with Charles, with the children she encountered, with her own children . . .

And then - it turned out to be at least half part of the public persona she crafted. It can be dangerous to make something like this part of your public persona.

Because it doesn't tell you shit about what's really going on in a relationship. While Diana was draping herself all over Charles and he was exclaiming how lucky he was to have married such a lovely lady - she was driving him fucking insane with her emotional demands behind the scenes.

Most relationships, in my experience, have a public and private aspect. Sometimes the public one is closer to the private one, and sometimes, especially with people with so much invested in public image . . . it isn't.

And personally, I'm always harbouring a "methinks the lady doth protest too much" view. I felt that about Diana, and I was right, and I feel that way about Sparkle and her exaggerated public performances.

In R359's pic, you can see the tons of make-up she wears. You can spot the layer-thick foundation on her forehead.

And she's VERY much into blusher / bronzer and eyeliner these days.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL, what an idiot.

I'm sure she's giving her sugars the masturbatory imagery they want, but her trailing her hands down his arm and clinging to him while undertaking official duties with worthies is just gross. When they were walking to the spot where the photo of them across the water from the opera house was taken, they held hands, she sliiiiiid her hand out of his with her hand trailing to maintain contact. What the fuck is wrong with him? His biggest fans who see him as her victim eagerly deconstruct his every facial expression waiting for him to be in charge, but it's damn obvious who wears the dildo, as someone said. And she is absolutely tasteless and egocentric. Not since Angelina Jolie and her face stroking has someone been this transparent.

R322, maybe the mother is styling Meagain. Those pants... does Disney sell at consignment?

Yes, R384, depends on where the royals are and what situation they're in. Exactly. Kate and William have held hands after church on Xmas, hugged at Wimbledon and other sporting events, etc. He puts a hand on her back when they walk away or towards something. BUT they do not act seductive when they're fucking working. "Working" is called a situation, and PDA is supposed to depend upon the situation. Do you think this shit is appropriate, or do you just think these two thirtysomethings are so in wuv and so can't help themselves they simply MUST carry on while performing official duties with all the cameras running?

R392. Diana being tactile was completely different. She did not have her hands over Charles when they were making official visits and getting photographed with local dignitaries. I agree it was possible to tell she was more than the blushing ingenue she was made out to be - you could look at her eyes and know she was clocking everything. What is gross about Meghan is they are on the job, and in front of people who aren't involved in their relationship, so it's rude. Put yourself in the shoes of that man and the woman escorting Harry and Meghan, who are languidly stroking each other's forearms.

And please with Harry being all loved up and it's new to him. We are in the real fucking world. We have all seen plenty of new relationships, passionate relationships (even though this looks mostly for show). The people we know don't get "carried away" at inappropriate times unless they are assholes.

Everybody questions Meghan keeping her distance from the Markles considering she used her father for status and credibility ever since she got on social media or received the opportunity to say or write something. He had a show business background and she flogged that to death to package herself as a show biz kid who was savvy on set. Not to mention the fact that he earned a very good living for years and is in much reduced circumstances, and meantime his beloved daughter only started earning a living at age 29 but was living high before that. Who wrote her the emergency checks?

There are pictures all over the web of Meghan Markle as a child and young person with at least 25 different relatives from BOTH sides of the family but all we get at the wedding is Doria. These are not losers, her uncle was the one who got her her internship in Argentina. She's a user, but does not want to pay anyone back or deal with anyone off brand so she ghosts. I'm glad Samantha is giving her shit. She should keep it up. Samantha may be Springer-esque but she's no fool, not afraid, and know exactly how to throw Markle's spin back in her face.

The PDA stuff is her showing off... her dominance over Harry, her manipulation of him, her brand, her complete lack of understanding of her role. She is not a celebrity. She is the wife of a member of the UK's royal family and they are on the job. Acting like a celebrity cheapens everything. And celebrity fades. Her treating this and him like the ultimate red carpet appearance is not helpful. And that's why I can't stand her. She has no fucking clue how to do her job right and she's likely doing damage in the process. From her horrible clothes to her camera whoring, she has no understanding that less is more. She's just so unsuitable for the job.

It's funny, I am reading replies to some idiot Markle lover but when I scroll up to read the original, it's not there. It's the same fucking drunk sugar I blocked yesterday.

It's a new day and there's already dirt on her toe.

Well, that’s just the final straw, r400.

Discretion was the better part of valour for Kate and William, and let's not forget that when that relationship started, Diana was dead relatively recently, and the memory of her marriage and divorce quite fresh. As Kate is naturally the anti-Diana in every good way - sane, adult, responsible, supportive of William and not competitive with him - it was probably natural for her to be the anti-Diana, but if he'd married someone who was more into the cameras than Kate he would have had to make it clear to her to restrain herself, because the anti-Diana was exactly Kate's job, marrying someone who will be one day in Charles' job. Now that Kate has been on the job 8 years and with William much longer, the cycle is coming round to - my, wouldn't it be fun to have a flashy, naughty royal. Chelsy Davy would have been perfect as she appeared hugely fun loving and was a very bohemian dresser who occasionally looked slapdash - ok, more than occasionally - but the BRF adored her (countless pics of her interacting not just with Harry but with Kate and William. She'd have been the best of both worlds - understood the job but allowed to color outside the lines. However, the more we see of Harry with Markle, the more Chelsey's decision not to commit to him makes sense.

R400, it's probably not "already" but rather, "Still there from the last time she wore those."

She's wearing the Boss blazer by Serena Williams. For once, an item of clothing that looks just as bad on the model.

R385, as awful as she is and as fun as it is to call her awfulness out, this is all about Harry. He has showed his ass. Markle is something else, particularly vis a vis the BRF, but one look at her girlfriend Jessica Mulroney and it's easy to see there are plenty of Markles in the sea. Who dragged one into the BRF thinking he'd bagged someone who'd impress? Harry. This is all about what a moron and dumb ass naif Harry is and always has been, covered up by tales of stolen valour pumped out by the BRF notwithstanding. Compounding his buffoonery is his arrogance and resentment. Resentment over what? Oh I bet if a therapist sat him down and tried to help him navigate his life, he'd be petulant and it would turn out he's just pissed he wasn't born first, because it's not fair. He is like fucking Margaret (the late Princess, his great aunt) without the glamour. Wants to mix and mingle, wants the perks of a "regular" life but the finance and status of royal life.

The differences in William and Harry's childhood might have saved William in the end. Sure, William was heir, and according to anecdote, treated as more important (by courtiers) than his brother, and it was William who had the relationship with the queen as part of his training for his future. But it was also William who was his mother's mini-husband, vowing to protect her when he was king, shoving tissues under the bathroom door. Not really fair, but her emotional demands meant William couldn't possibly see himself as a little sun king around whom the world turned. He was emotionally responsible for someone else. He had to learn empathy and read someone else. Lucky him, he ran into Kate, and broke the pattern. She and he seem to take care of each other, and her mom does the mothering. However, he would not have connected with Kate, or grown up as a married father, if he'd had Harry's upbringing. Harry's upbringing seemed to be free of the emotional responsibilities for Diana that William had to cope with. It was all that little charmer, Harry, peck's bad boy. IOW, he got by on personality and not much else was expected of him. And lord knows, he did not exceed expectations. He's about as academic as his mother. William was no higher education brain trust but he got through the thing and graduated. Harry had to have someone take his art exam for him who was then fired, but he graduated. He's spoiled, and not worth much because of it.

She shakes person #1's hand while Harry is shaking #2's then just stands still until he puts his hand on her back and pushes her out of the way so he can shake #1's and she #2's.

Really, Bean. It's not that difficult.

I wish he'd push her onto a plane, with a one way ticket. She's a fool.

Mulroney has very short legs vis a vis her torso. Her torso just looks medium - neither long nor short, but them legs are short. She usually wears killer heels, stilettos, etc. Despite she and Markle affection Mini-Me stylings, Markle has a short torso and long legs. I think Markle got the better end of the deal.

^Typos! So, "despite she and Markle AFFECTING mini-me stylings" and "Mulroney has a short torso and long legs."

What site do these sugars come from? Am curious to see their natural habitat.

She's such an asshole.

I thought I talk about royal titles for a bit . The letters patent from 1917 gives the HRH Prince/ss title to the children of the monarch and to the grandchildren of the monarch through the male line and to the oldest son/child of the oldest son of the Prince of Wales. As children of the monarch these titles went to Charles , Anne , Andrew and Edward . All of their kids with the exception of Anne's brood also have the right to the Prince/ss title . This is why they're Princes William and Harry and Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie . The same goes for Edward's kids who are technically Princess Louise and Prince James of Wessex . For reasons Edward and Sophie however elected to have their kids be styles like children of an Earl . Anne could not give her children any title and her first husband had no title to give to the children and refused a title offer , that's why Peter and Zara have no title .

Now we come to the children of William and Harry . William is the oldest son of the Prince of Wales which means that his oldest child , George, was always entitled to be HRH Prince XY , his younger siblings however would have no such right . This is something the Queen changed with Charlotte and Louis . Harry's bun in Meghan's oven currently has no right to a title of Prince/ss and would be styled like the child of a Duke . However once the Queen croakes Harry and Meghan's kid would get an immediate upgrade to HRH Prince/ss XY of Sussex because they would then be the grandchild of the monarch in the male line (obviously , since Charles has no daughters). The question is if the Queen gives the child the Prince/ss title now while she's still alive and if not if Harry and Meghan will go the Edward and Sophie route and have their kid styles like Duke spawn even if they could use a different higher title .

Interesting fact , the Queen herself could not pass on titles to Charles and Anne because she's female . Her father had to step in and give them royal titles . If he hadn't done so Charles and Anne would not have been born as Prince Charles and Princess Anne.

R400 put a striped tie on her and some black eyeliner & she’ll be dressed exactly like all the emo girls I went to catholic school with.

R411 the main St: Meghan site is Celebitchy. Royaldish hates everybody who's not Letitia of Spain or Victoria of Sweden and has jumped on the Meghan hate which means Kate is now sort of enjoying a similar fate as Princess Madeleine of Sweden ( "We don't like her but the other one is worse" , in Madeleine's case the other one is her sister-in-law Princess Sophia ). Then you have the truly deranged hateful conspiracy nutters on Royalgossip (surrogacy and fake pregnancies , Jews taking over the BRF (based on Kate's mother's maiden name being Goldsmith)).

If anyone can find this information (about the royal protocol on touching) on the internet in under five seconds, I’m sure Meghan knows it too. She just doesn't care. Do you think Michelle Obama didn’t know that she was not supposed to touch the Queen? She just didn’t care: “We’re Americans, we hug.”

In Meghan’s case, it’s her little movie. She marries a prince, she’s going to wear white dress and a gigantic well and have a carriage ride, no matter what it costs or how it looks. She’s now a European princess, just like Audrey Hupburn in that movie, she should wear Givenchy every day! Her married life is better than yours, she and her husband can’t take their hands off each other, isn’t that cute?

It's a guessing game r413, along with the name of the new babe. My prediction is no LP from the Queen for the Sussex sprog, it's be Earl Dumbarton (yes not making that up) if a boy, or Lady xxx Mountbatten-Windsor if a girl. Once she passes on and Charles becomes King, they'll then assume the HRH Prince or Princess rank and style.

It's possibly HazBean could opt to keep them styled as they were at birth but I'm guessing a big nope there - they'll want the trappings and trimmings for their kids.

There is talk elsewhere (see: other boards) that the Queen will issue a LP for the Sussex offspring, because she's 'so fond' of H & M (as if she doesn't love her other grandkids, or affection somehow influences these choices) or because "optics" - it looks like a snub to the first bi-racial grandchild. I think some people like to act like they know about royalty when in fact they are Bean fans who jumped on a bandwagon this past year.

I just saw some video and they are such incredible assholes. The clinging, stroking and lingering is just the tip of the rude, egocentric, insulting iceberg. As one blog said, every visit is biography with them, when it's supposed to highlight the places they're visiting, not THEM. My list so far - first off, they're presented with traditional hats. Each just stands there holding a hat, smiling awkwardly. Fuck you. Put the fucking thing on. Kate and Will would have, WHICH, btw, you asshole Ginger, goes a lot to why your brother is popular. He's not a fucking asshole. Meghan has affected this, "I'm so terribly bored but it IS my duty so please see my gracious smile" that should get her run out of the fucking country on a rail. Anyway, the most recent video I saw has fucking Beano and fucking gingerdick on a walkabout over what looks like a farm. Their guides are all gussied up in farm-wear, complete with hats. What is going on here but Hazbean and his slimy spouse are like, "We haven't prepared at all, so we'll hang on your every word, mate. A farm, you say? Is that where we are?" Aren't the royals supposed to put those they visit at ease? Is it really on the escorts and farmers to interest the royals and make them comfortable? But both Meghan and Harry are like, "We really are completely at sea here - have you anything of interest to tell us? We promise, we'll perk up if you do, but you really should make a bit of effort, old son." Lazy fucktards. Since their farm escorts are earnest and not entertaining, Hazza and Smeg are placeholding, obviously bored, and not hiding it. It's like, what can you guys do for us? We're willing to be interested, but you'll have to try! There's no sense at all that these two understand they're on the job and THEY are supposed to make the farmers feel important, THEY are supposed to show interest, show they've researched, ask questions, and share their own experiences.

This marriage has convinced me that Harry is the laziest fucking royal ever born. "Hey Harry, you're married to a psychopath and everyone hates her! Do something!" "Oh, it's just easier to ignore it all and let her run things." That's how he comes off - with her, and with everything. He's got nothing. At least she has her self-promotional, merching agenda. What is his reason for breathing?

R400 They are in western New South Wales which is in the middle of a drought (although rain has just started to fall). Of course she has dirt on her boot - country Australia is not astroturfed.

Kate not seeking celebrity? I read she had a panic attack every time she had to make any kind of speech. I think she's become more confident since having children, as she can relate to other parents.

Dear lord in heaven!

[quote]#Meghan looks at him almost the entire time he's speaking through this. We see you Harry! Wanna give them both a hug. How boss is it to be woman enough to stand by your man holding an umbrella and KNOW it doesn't diminish you but raises you higher because all you saw was love. Harry told the man coming to shelter him no thanks Meghan had it *tears*

I know where they are, R419. Anyone with a ounce of sense would know better than to wear black suede.

R421 Who writes shit like that ? Or better who thinks that's cute ?

Commoner! Step back! The Duchess shall shelter me. Make way for the Duchess!

[quote][R421] Who writes shit like that ? Or better who thinks that's cute ?

Harry is speaking to farmers in a severely drought stricken area of Australia and he says: "We're in this together. Because asking for help is one of the best decisions I ever made...."

I think Harry mistakenly read a page from his personal love diary.

What is rude about overt PDA is that it doesn't take into consideration the feelings of others observing it ...... others may not have someone to hold hands with, others may feel jealousy or sadness, noting that they don't have this in their own lives, others may have lost spouses or lovers to death, or love others who are unavailable, others may feel embarrassed at seeing the sexual implications of intimacy and PDA. That is why sensitive and considerate people confine PDA to appropriate places, people and times. Sensitivity to others feelings is the essence of good manners; a sensitivity that both H and M seem to lack.

R419, you're not supposed to have mud on your boot before you've set foot in mud.

Furthermore, suede heeled boots are not farm footwear. But that's her. We should be grateful she didn't wear stilettos.

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There's nothing worse than twits who say things like, "I can't. I just can't. I literally can't with her." But...

I can't. I just can't. I literally can't with her.

[quote]Visiting a farm run by the Woodley family in Dubbo today, Meghan took a home made banana bread with her as a gift. It went quite quickly

[quote]Benita Woodley, one of the recipients, said of Meghan: “She said if you go to someone’s house you always bring something, so she did.

[quote]“She said she was worried about the bananas, that she’d put too many bananas in it. But the Duke said there’s never too many bananas.”

[R421] Who writes shit like that ? Or better who thinks that's cute ? It's like a worshipful, unfettered, doe-eyed Nancy Reagan writing from beyond the grave. Though Nancy grew up in an era with better control of optics related to overt sexual content and possession.

How was she able to bake the banana bread, and when and where? Did she bring it from England?

She stayed up all night making that banana bread!!!

R431 She made it in the kitchen of Admiralty House - the Sydney home of the Governor General of Australia. It’s rather a nice place, as harbourside mansions go, and, like most Australian houses, is equipped with a functioning kitchen.

It's cute that R433 really thinks Sparkle stayed up late after a long day of schlepping around and made homemade treats to hand out for the next day.

It did, actually R434. I’m no great fan of hers but I know that this happened. I’m a little closer to the action than you.

Of course she made her famous banana bread, recipe in on the Tig and it's life changing.

I think it could be cute if it was not oversold to the peasants as the most amazing thing ever.

Baking banana bread takes no talent, it's the most basic cake ever.

If you're close to the action, Pristine-Timber Troll, why didn't you advise your girl against wearing black suede for her dirt-walk today or wearing spike heels on that precious decking yesterday? You're doing your lovey a great disservice by allowing her to make an even bigger fool of herself on the world stage.

It was speculated that Fergie was very loyal to Diana as her marriage collapsed (although they weren't speaking at the time of Diana' death). Not everyone felt the need to take a side back then (Charles vs Diana), but it seemed that most people did. I would imagine that Camilla preferred to let Fergie shine at her own daughter's wedding, after so many years exiled from public Royal appearances. It has to be difficult, even now, for Camilla to interact with the Royals, when there are still letters being published from Prince Philip to Diana clearly supporting Diana over Camilla.

Sorry, wrong thread!

Cringe worthy over-the-top affection in public.

Why do they both look like slobs? Fucking make some effort when you're representing Britain and the Commonwealth, you fools.

They really don't want to be where they are.

Praise Jesus for the rain!

Can you spot the difference? LOL.

Oh look, Clueless Clingon even stops for selfies.

The baby is the star!

Could she look more bored?

She's not even attempting to talk to the locals escorting them.

She certainly got her leg over Dimwit.

Mr & Mrs Clingon have arrived!

Yep, Sparkle is bored.

Her pregnancy made the People cover.

She looks ok here.

It's not all roses in Australia.

Harry gets a beard rub.

When she took her jacket off, she looked more like a slob.

Feeding the cattle.

Dimwit is ready to play leap frog.

Smelling the flower.

This is a nice photo of the couple.

Is she wiping away a tear?

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[quote] why does the couple look so unprepared?

Because Sparkle & Dim don't listen and think they know best.

After watching the Official "Adorbs Couple - Adorbs Photo Ops With Children - Rapturous Reception" coverage by BBC, I have the oddest sense of deja vu. The first tour Down Under with Charles and Diana, baby William in tow, was also Rapturously Received (the crowds were huge, if I remember), and filled with Adorbs Couple - Adorbs Photo Ops With Children - coverage. And I rather do remember a photo of Charles and Diana sitting together with her hand over his, because she was wearing the MOST charmingly silly pink outfit with a fitted jacket and full skirt, and a Peter Pan type hat. It would have looked monstrous on anyone but a willowy young 5'10" English Rose with enormous blue eyes and a complexion like a peach. Diana did take opportunities to do public PDA with Charles, but I think that faded quickly.

R447 The link pic captured the moment she reached up to check on the status of her most precious tendrils. Everyone, she's tendrilling for two now!

Her clothes so far, with the exception of the Gee dress, have been boring and exhibit the usual problems. I don't count today's visit to Dobbo, it's a visit the country, it rained, she can't be faulted for a bit of mud on the shoe - although I find the banana bread bit somewhat nauseous making. As if, you know, she does all the cooking and ironing and laundry and cleaning back at Nott Cott.

But in terms of the Great Unwashed, what we're seeing in coverage is all rapturous, so I would say that the tour is succeeding for Meghan, and the timing of the pregnancy could not have been better. Got knocked up in July, so they probably started trying right after the wedding and she caught quite quickly - the doomsayers insisting she was too old and couldn't get pregnant should take a lesson from this.

I find her, still, exhibiting a stage-loving narcissist's persona, but it must be admitted that as far as the general public go, Markle is playing it shrewdly and doing well.

Oh, and further to my last comment, you will note that as I predicted, the tabs, including the DM, are dripping with sugar. No one is going to attack a pregnant woman. That baby, also as I predicted, will be the key to Meghan's entrenchment in the BRF and ensure the tour is a celebration of fecundity and family joy. So it's hands off Meghan, children, by the press, and we will be left howling in the wilderness like John the Baptist . . .

We who dare to speak the truth . . . :)

I look forward to see how Harry is with a kid he has to spend time with for more than a few minutes and can't hand back to the parents .

R470 - "I look forward to see how Harry is with a kid he has to spend time with for more than a few minutes and can't hand back to the parents."

Not to worry, he will undoubtedly be able to hand it back to the nanny.

In closeup photos, Meghan actually looks like shit with her hair pulled straight back in that white shirt and the Serena Williams blazer: you can see how untidy her skin actually is, especially in the forehead. You can't do Botox whilst pregnant, you know.

That's probably the reason for the Dangling Tendrils.

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R472 - Who me?

Why am I here? What the hell am I doing with these hicks?

Mrs. Clingon will cling to anyone who is willing. She needs her hugs to feel wanted.

Just a couple of tourists in Sydney.

It's funny to watch; MM really believes she can sell her own special brand of hubris and bullshit on the world stage.

They don't seem to be on the same page here.

Is it me or with the added bit of weight in her face - plus all the slap troweled on - she actually resembles her pal Jess Mulroney quite a bit. Their mannerisms are becoming similar, or maybe its just the first time I've noticed this on this tour.

Pretty shitty of the French magazine Point de Vue to be Meghan on the cover instead of the bride at the royal wedding.

^^^^JFC, that stupid pose. How do people not see how phony she is?

The photo at r480 highlights why so many of us find her fake and disingenuous. The coy downward glance, head and eyes tilted down slightly, the timid touch of her hair with her left hand, as she gets out of the vehicle and the cameras flash. Every single time, without fail.

R482 - don't forget she's holding her purse to show off her multiple merchandised rings.

^ to have Meghan on the cover

R481 - "JFC, that stupid pose. How do people not see how phony she is?" Most people are fatous bellends or the monarchy wouldn't exist any longer.

R480 - Yes, it is pretty shitty. There's no doubt it was a deliberate MegaCunt thing to do to the bride and to the Yorks, and it makes clear that Sparkle is a ruthless bitch who doesn't mind sowing enmity in the ranks of the "family she never had" if she gets attention out of it.

Were I the Yorks I would be absolutely bloodcurdlingly furious. And I would complain to the Head of the Firm and to Charles. The problem is, there is nothing either one of them can do about it. They let her in, and they have to take the blame and will shrug their shoulders and say everyone should just Keep Calm and Carry On.

I wonder if Charles's dislike of his brother is colouring his view of MeAgain's not very admirable antics, here, or even getting some private satisfaction out of what she did to Yuge at the wedding. And it's unthinkable that William and Kate didn't see exactly what she was doing.

And now, with Harry's bun safely in the oven, she's got them over a barrel, just as she did with the Vanity Fair article and then the complaint about and to the British press.

When will she, like Becky Sharp, get her comeuppance?

Possibly never.

R481^^^ Fatuous bellends

R485

You forget, she's an actress. She acts. That's all she knows, posing and posturing, and emoting. There is no "there" there. Right now she's doing improv, "how a modern duchess interacts with locals on an overseas tour".

Why does she often have that "deer in the headlights" look?

It's just me or her face doesn't look good lately?

I wonder if the BRF's weak (which is to say, nonexistent) response to Harry's idiotic choice of a bride and then to her merching and refusal to support British fashion, her disgraceful behaviour at the York wedding, etc., is also based in their guilt at allowing Philip to bully the two boys, especially the youngest, into that dreadful walk behind his mother's coffin. He has said on camera in interviews that it was a terrible thing to do to a 12 year old boy. I think there's a great deal more anger and residual bad feelings in that family than shows. William was 15, he was older, differently placed in the family - he seemed to get past it.

But I'm betting that Harry didn't get past it. Not overly bright, not overly introspective, it just lived on, and Meghan Markle was the lucky beneficiary.

So, I still maintain that whilst the Ruthless MegaCunt was using Harry to achieve her A-List dream, Harry was also using MegaCunt to strike back at the family toward which he still harbours those grievances.

So they do have something of a partnership, and the BRF has no one to blame but itself: for making that grieving child follow his mother's coffin between sobbing public crowds and the eyes of the world, and then allowing him to guilt them into allowing him to marry MegaCunt, and then having to swallow her mischief whilst she pulls the wool over the eyes of the public.

"The sins of the fathers shall be visited unto the children, yea unto the seventh generation."

There's that look again.

Exhibiting her habit of touching tendrils.

Just a farmer and his wife having a stroll in the country. What a mess. The Queen would be appalled at their attire.

Shaking hands and looking coy.

Hey Harry, there is such a thing as being too exuberant and over familiar. Calm down.

The couple will soon be sitting on the floor.

Needy Dimwit must like Clingon very, very much.

Imagine waiting for hours to see the new royal newlyweds and they emerge looking like this...how disappointing.

Harry took this selfie. The two of them think they're film stars.

US Mag Cover of Meghan: Why I Can't Wait To Be A Mom".

I know why...because your grip on Harry and the BRF will be complete. Duh.

R491 - eyes and cheeks inspired by the Joan Collins mannequin

"One more fucking cling fest from you lady and it's off with your head".

She's looking at the camera AGAIN.

Hold down your lunch. Lainey at lainey gossip talked about possible baby names on her blog and posted a nugget from one of her readers. See the end of the first paragraph. "One of the most interesting prediction-suggestions came from a reader called “F” who really wants it to be “Rosa”. As in English Rose. And for Rosa Parks. Thoughts?"

what are these people smoking?

Haz and Bean Visited Our Farm and All They Brought Was Banana Bread

R485, it is unjust.

What I don’t really understand is when women are shotgun cunts instead of rifle cunts. They are indiscriminately awful to all women instead of targeting the ones who are actual threats.

Like, why Euge? What did Eugenie ever do to her? She’s not a threat to the wonderful Duchess. She’s not prettier or thinner or closer to the throne. I can understand her hostility to the superior Kate, but why punch down?

Instead of making allies (which she needs!) she alienated an entire faction of the RF. I guess she’s setting her boundaries.

She reminds me of Wallis Simpson. But not the least bit stylish.

There was NO way MegaCunt would announce her pregnancy only after that Oz tour. You know, Charles and Diana had a child in tow when they went to Oz. William and Kate had a child in tow when they went to Oz. So of course, Meggers wanted to have a child in tow, too - which has come true now that there's a bun in the oven.

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Ugly, ill fitting blazer and a wrinkly shirt over those twig legs and stupid suede boots (at a farm??). What a hideous outfit.

R508, I think it’s a fireplace mantel with blue tiles on the facade/frame and a mirrored mantel. All the other shit is Christmas decorations. I think the black thing is the reflection of a wreath.

That is my best guess. Who the fuck knows.

R508 and R510: I think it's a fish tank. There's another photo in that living room, and it clearly shows the fish tank.

I really do wonder if Andrew said something to Charles about his daughter-in-law using Andrew's daughter's wedding for self-promotion. It was particularly tactless given that H&M wed in the same place five months ago, and the media kept making comparisons between the two weddings. It's as if Sparkle were saying, "I overshadowed you in May and I can overshadow your stupid wedding today, too." It was really heinous.

Harry's dumber than shit.

Maybe the obvious lesbian Sparkle will merch some zika prevention spray that also doubles as a hair relaxer for all her sugars to buy.

R455, you racist hater! That is a maternity top! She is showing (off).

Are her ass and hips wider?

Not that I can tell r515 but she is definitely getting preggo face.

R512, I wonder who said it. Because you know someone did.

That was more than a mere faux pas. And I think relations with the relations will be extra chilly.

The ugly trench and too big shoes return.

She's padding her bra, isn't she?

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For the past year, we keep hearing about Meghan, Meghan, Meghan. Then for a three-day stretch, we got to hear about someone else: Eugenie. You'd think Meghan would appreciate a break from the scrutiny. But, no.

The banana bread deal was a joke on the media. It's got chocolate in it, and ginger, and then you add bananas. Get it?

Gross.

And no, you idiotic but strangely pompous suger up there, the only action you're close to is the bitchery on the sugar forums. Smeggy did not bake any fucking bread in the admirality kitchen. She doesn't cook. She just claimed to to adapt some of Corey's luster.

LIVE walkabout in Melbourne. Screams for "Harry! Harry!"

I read a 2007 interview of Fergie today, which was interesting. She calls Charles a great man, and says Camilla is "fabulous" and that is why the boys (William and Harry) will be ok. She says she didn't see much of Camilla back in the Diana days, but this is her opinion today. She also said that she and Andrew let the divorce be finalized so she could go and work, and over the years she's helped support the girls since Andrew is only second.

True or not that she did help, Harry is AlSO only second and nothing entitles him to get everything Will gets. They are not equal. (That's me putting my opinion in).

Although everyone knows she cheated (as did he, probably) she said she and he thought he'd be stationed close by and instead it was far away where she saw him maybe 40 days out of the year. At the time (2007) she had a business in New York and said she didn't really live anywhere, though acknowledged it was at Andrew's when she wasn't globe-hopping (for "business"). At the time of the interview she said she hadn't dated in 5 years.

She and the ex hubster put on a good wedding, and their daughter made a real splash as a bride. Meghan slow-walking in their with her fucking maternity coat and cat smile because she just fucking COULDN'T, in her own head, not be the star is assholery of the highest order.

I am enjoying the backlash that happened as soon as the pregnancy was announced. I thought it would be the opposite, and neutralize them, but something seems to have snapped. Their asinine, juvenile, bored, self-serving antics on this tour just seals it. It's all about them stroking, hand holding, looking dewy eyed, and not at all about the places and charities they are supposed to be highlighting. Their press office and they themselves are supposed to be doing tie-ins, but they don't roll like that. This tour is a stage setting for them and they don't even pretend to quid pro quo.

She didn't just use the wedding for SELF-promotion, she merched a fistful of fucking trashy rings!

Someone on tumblr said Meghan is failed influencer and wannabe lifestyle guru who is using the Duchess gig to finally make it happen. I think it's true, and unbelievably.

Yesterday a bunch of tumblr fans googled their little fingers off, researched, went into archives, and produced pretty good evidence of the obvious - Meghan's Mirror is not a fan site tracking MM's stuff, Meghan's Mirror is in business with Meghan, getting all the details directly from her, which is why they have been identifying her clothing, jewelry, and other accessories before she's barely outside of the car and even when the initial shots are blurry. I mean they KNOW. They know one six inch pointy toed navy suede pump with a walnut-toned heel from another. They know whose teensy earing stud peeks out from behind the tendrils, how much it cost, and its component materials.

So someone pointed out that on Meghan's mirror AND on news articles that use this info, there are hyperlinks to the clothing. This is not the case with Kate's clothes when "Kate's Closet" guesses what Kate has on. Meghan's stuff is instantly turned into an advertorial with embedded hyperlinks before the event is even over. Articles describing an event of Kate's, including what she wore, don't use the hyperlinks. For Meghan, those links are already prepped and the article just needs to go live. I remember thinking, who cares, everybody knows that about Meghan's Mirror, don't act like you just discovered they helped rig the US election or something.

What did I know? Today, day later, Meghan's Mirror is all, "We THINK that MIGHT be her such and such shoe." and a lot of "TBD". Why are they reading freaking tumblr? My conclusion is that Meghan is always hyper thirsty to read about herself, and tumblr is the only place she can reliably get a fix, and know every detail is observed and discussed. She's not the Diana-level sensation she'd wanted to be, or even a Kate level one, so mainsteam media stuff on her is thin. There's her own PR, and then if she wants to read 'what people think" there is really only tumblr.

I think the British taxpayer should be quite insulted that she's willing to wear Australian designers in Australia, but not British fashion in the country that is giving her the life she's always dreamed of, and of which her husband is and her child will be a citizen.

I despise them both but I disagree with 523 - I don't think there's been much backlash beyond a few disgruntled gossip sites, Radar is the gutter, and the tour seems to be going well for Meghan. I think the pregnancy has neutralised such negative press (let's call it shade) of the kind the DM has been shoving MM's way from the get-go.

Of course it's a stage setting for them - that's the case for all the royals. The crowds seem large and friendly, and I haven't seen news coverage calling them out. Where do you see any real significant backlash?

Eugenie liked a pic of meghan on instagram.

R430, that's a misreporting of the story.

It was a group decision. Phillip's role was to agree to join them, to make it easier on them as they were getting the pressure. "If I do it, will you?" He was helping them. Both "boys" say it was a group decision, and William says it was one of those times you balance family and duty.

I don't think it lived on in Harry. I think Harry has problems because his mother had problems and it's at least partially his genetic inheritence. His mother wasn't bright - he's certainly not bright. His mother has borderline and narcissistic tendencies, he appears to be emotionally stunted, self-involved and self-pitying (as was she). He may be alcoholic, which runs in his father's family. Furthermore, look past his mom and past his maternal aunts to his Uncle Charles who may be barmy and immature himself - married a billion times, kids with each wife,then whinges on about the cost of maintaining Althorp, the family pile, as he gets himself in debt procreating, paying school fees, etc. Charles' paternal grandfather married a Meghan Markle of his own (Reine, the daughter of Barbara Cartland). It may suit self-pitying, self-dramatizing Harry to be all, "Oh, the coffin thing pushed me over the edge!" but I think he was always going to turn out this way. William was luckier in the psychology he inherited, plus from a very early age he had to look out for someone else's emotions - his mom's - rather than his own, so he matured earlier.

That navy sleeveless dress Sparkle wore in Melbourne today looks absolutely horrendous on her. The photo of her walking with Harry in the DM is classic Sparkle, with the stick leg coming out of the slit under what looks like an exploding bosom, which is really not likely at this point in pregnancy, barely three months in. She looks like a candy apple on those legs.

R529 - I'm going by the interview I saw with Harry in which he stated, "It was a terrible thing to ask a boy of 12 to do". (Paraphrasing, but to that effect.) A shell-shocked, grieving child of 12 should never have been part of such a "group" discussion, let alone with a powerful grandfather who is well known for valuing toughness in boys. I'm sorry, there is no excuse for it even having been suggested that the child do so, my dislike of him as an adult notwithstanding. Charles should have told his father to go fuck himself, put the boys in a limo, and left that walk to the Duke, himself, and Earl Spencer.

I think the jury is still out on how much of characteristics like immaturity and emotional stunting are genetic. I'll agree that there's a basis for alcoholism, perhaps even narcissistic personality disorder - but the culture royals are brought up in has to take its share of the blame.

It's my personal view that Harry harbours resentment against his own family that he has never dealt with, and part of that was how he believes his mother was treated, and that family allowing him to walk behind that coffin.

It's hard to be outwardly angry with the one parent you have left, the powerful grandparents, one your Queen, the other a well-known Man's Man. I think Harry felt very alone. I think he may genuinely have been deeply attracted to MM, but the reasons why I think are complicated, and one of them was using her to stick it to the BRF.

Whomever compared MM and her doe-eyed clingy adoration of Harry to Nancy Reagan and her actress-y shtick with Ronnie was spot on.

Thought I couldn't get pregnant?

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It's weird that there is NO pregnancy belly, at all. None - she's always had a slightly lumpy, misshapen midsection and it looks exactly as it always has.

Which makes me side eye her loose clothes the past few weeks and unbuttoned coat (that she never removed, even indoors) at Yuge's wedding.

This is the first and only time Piers Morgan has made sense:

That hand holding is so ridiculous.

That's high school stuff. Not grown up.

It's been months now and they keep doing it.

They just look silly.

And the poster who said that it is rude to the people they are there to meet, is correct.

They are supposed to be there working. The behavior is all wrong.

Some of the comments at r535: "that's not acting, that free American emotional expression there!"

R533 Kate looked like that when she was 6 months pregnant . Meghan has a short upper body and no place for the baby to go . She's going to explode .

Uh oh, Meghan, your mask slipped...

What shoes do we think she’ll wear to the beach later? Giant Uggs on her bare twiglets would be a nice nod to surfer culture, but these would also work.

I Love you bitches. With exception of a few SJW and buzzkills, well more than a few, this has been a fun and informative thread and ride. However, I’m saddened that I may have to retire and leave this thread...just saw cover of DM and showing of baby bump on hooker heels is just too trashy for me. She is loathsome, and represents to me so much that sickens me in today’s world. I’m not even kidding. It’s no longer a joke to me, esp with a poor baby that will be used and merched

She has certainly played it well.

Oh you won't leave.

Will she follow her bestie Mulroney's example and fame whore out her kids too?

Della! What are you thinking about her wardrobe thus far?

I've seen the future, R543. The second that the Queen is removed from life support, Twiggy Legged-Stourke hits the button and the new-and-improved [italic]Royal Tig[/italic] goes live with Jessica Mulroney as VP of content development.

[quote]Doriana Victoria and Markus are SOOOOO in love with this month's KidBox! Markus just screamed, "Mumsy, ma'am, KidBox is literally EVERYTHING!" Use code DUCHESSLIFE for 20% off your first month's delivery (12-month contract required).

[quote]This is just one in a series of photos where she’s arching her back to create a belly.

She really is! God, she’s a bad actress.

Giving the Tusk bracelet by Shaun Leane the ol' QVC treatment

"Girls, did I ever tell you about the time I singlehandedly revolutionized the dishwashing industry?"

"....and then a strange man walked up to me and said, "just make your own box, Bean." No, I never saw him again. I think he was an apparition."

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Be assure when they’re alone in the hotel after dinner they will drink a glas of wine when nobody’s around

Oh noesss.......she's standing in sand. Let's hang her now!

Her Aussie tour clothes are not too bad so far.They just look bad on her.They seem to be liking them so far,Aussies are usually relaxed and less formal so their over the top behaviour probably doesn't bother them much.

I love you, R545!

Are the lifeguards giants or is Nutmeg a midget? That is the question.

Her stomach really isn't showing but her bust looks like she's already breastfeeding. WTF?

Another horrible fashion choice. Why does she think she looks best with loads of material hanging off her?

One word for you, girl: Sheaths.

Terrible dress.

It looks much better on the model.

SHe's really stubborn.

Look at the cheap buttons on this dress. Jessica Mulroney, hang your head in shame. You can go home now.

Let us smell and look like we know what the hell it is.

Foodie... Let me hang myself.

She's a fucking skeleton, she doesn't enjoy food.

MM has to hide her skinny legs. That's why you find her in strange, drooping clothes with long zig zaggy hems. Let's go back to Dublin - remember?

This girl was overcome with emotion when meeting Dimwit.

OMG, what the hell is this strange object coming towards me?

Holding hands on a beach.

Holding hands on a walkabout.

Harry's Sugars are even more pathetic.

At least Meghan had a little career before Harry, Harry was given everything her has.

Holding hands meeting dignitaries. Are these two on their honeymoon or are they working?

Holy shit. Would Kate be caught dead in a dress with a cheap zipper at the back?

She wears the same boring style of dress that really isn't flattering for her petite frame. The dresses wear HER.

Fixing her tendrils for the hundredth time.

Channeling Nancy Reagan.

r572 - Forget the style of the dresses she wore in Ireland or is wearing in Australia. MM's only goal is to hide her legs.

There's that spaced out look again.

Surprise! She found the camera AGAIN.

What all of these photos are showing: Nutmeg DID NOT need to wear her coat open at Eugenie's wedding. She WANTED people to speculate that she was expecting a baby. It's all about MEagain.

Mr & Mrs Clingon.

Getting ready to square dance. Doe-see-doe.

That black sleeveless sheath with the buttons down the side is a crime against humanity - the tight fit from the back makes her look like the escort girl she probably once was. She's wearing them all a size too small so that they wrinkle around the middle, which she probably thinks makes people go, ahhhhhh, she's growing in the middle, despite the fact that there's barely a bump there at all.

One week ago she wore a full-blown maternity coat to upstage the bride at a royal wedding, but this week she's wearing dresses a size too small.

She is one piece of work. Her expressions are so studied and so calculated - she really is his mother all over again. After all, it was Diana who pioneered the coy tilted head and the shy gaze upward from under the lashes.

Good god. How far hath British royalty fallen.

Could someone create a Part 16? (Thanks, I don't have the ability to do so.)

Part 16 created.

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Using her hands to make a point.

We all know who wears the pants in this little family.

Expensive duds but cheap looking whichever way you look at it.

I hate the term but here is Meghan's little "baby bump".

Her body is changing. I don't think she's going to look like Kate when she's pregnant. She's petite so her pregnancy will show much more.

This couple is a mess. Too casual, too familiar, too clueless.

She's wearing very tight clothing to emphasise the small bump she's got. End of. She's just a fucking shameless cunt. End of.

R591. Yes she is . Before her clothes were always looser at her belly and now so thight as possible can be ! She manipulates everyone . Megacunt !

In R461's pic, you can clearly see her tits are padded. LOL

Sorry, it's R561's pic!!!

The constant handholding...ugh, get a room. You're supposed to show up for an hour and give your full attention to other people, not each other. You're supposed to be promoting THEIR causes, not promoting your own personal love story. Maybe she has to let other people--and the public--control her publicity now, but she can still take the lead in creating the content. Every time she grabs Harry's arm, you can see her thinking, "this is goi

Australia loves Harry and MM. Pregnancy agrees with MM. She is already carrying beautifully.

MM's clothing on this tour has been good. She will improve on that front. This has to be so new to her. That Wimbledon outfit was a disaster, but beyond that she has done well.

Kate is regal and a wonderful mother, but she has a coldness to her. William does too. Harry and MM will be more popular than William and Kate. MM has her flaws, but she is warm and very well mannered. She will do well.

[quote] very well mannered

Hardly.

Her job here is to be there and pay attention to other people. Engage with other people. Walk with, talk with new people.

The only person she has shown any interest in is her husband.

Oh, she may shake a few hands, but like a rubber band she bounces back to the silly hand holding with him.

Not occasionally, but ALWAYS!!!

That's not why she (or he) is there.

It's an ignorant way to behave. And very ill mannered.

Except for the horrific zipper in the back, I really like that blue dress. Of course, she had to wear it too tight to spoil everything.

So far no pics of her and that Jessica thing together?

Samantha Markle is a stalker. What a sick bitch.

Over-the-top public displays of affection are getting quite tedious.