Armie Hammer Part 12: I, Hammya

Armie Hammer Part 11

Armie is going to have hard time being without Luca and Tmothée when award season is over. They are constantly showering him in praise; Luca probably made him feel like a really special actor with so much potential and talent blah blah and Timmy keeps talking about what an amazing person he is and what a great father and husband etc. and both are crazy about his looks too. I doubt Armie is going to find people who'll pander to his ego the way Luca and Timmy have.

He's married to a professional panderer, so I'm sure he'll be just fine.

I don’t think Armie is going to rate an Oscar nomination on Tuesday.

He seems to be very self aware R3, he HALF jokingly says in this interview that he is riding on Luca and Timmy's coattails (and also sings a lullaby to his son)....

Thanks for posting that, r6. He's a great interviewee and you can tell he's very proud of this project (as he should be). I don't think he has any delusions that he's in the same orbit as Timothee in this film and he's clearly in awe of Luca and the fact that he got to work on a project with this type of artistic gravity. I personally haven't detected any arrogance or entitlement from his interviews or press junkets for this film. He may be thirsty (as most actors are), but it's charming, not grating.

Whenever Armie is feeling underappreciated, Luca's warm embrace is only a plane ticket away.

I just saw CMBYN. I loved it I just don’t get the sore Armie had on his side. What was the point of having that in the story ?

The sore made sense in the book because Elio got a little jealous that the gardener tended to Olivers wound and later on during intimate scenes ELio made a point kiss and caress Oliver's wound.

Also during their 1st kiss when ELio tried mounting Oliver he used the wounded an excuse to break the connection. The book is amazing.

Am I wrong that this is mostly a one sided love affair? Armie’s reaction on the train seemed to me was he was feeling guilty.

Also Timmy’s father gives that great speech about how lucky the 2 guys but when Armie calls with the news the father says congratulations instead of this will break my son’s heart you bastard.

Please read the book. Oliver was not feeling guilty he was conflicted. He was raised a certain way and being gay was not part of that reality. Plus their relationship started at the height of the AIDS epidemic even though the movie pushed the storyline I had three years. All of Oliver actions and pretentious prior to them getting together was to fight off the temptation he had for ELio. Remember him saying we've been good I want to be good but in the end he could not fight his desire for ELio.

The fathers reaction on the phone call is very forced and over the top... and fake. But what else can he do? He’s ambushed by the call just like Elio and of course hads to say “congratulations”.

Also when they hang up the receiver both parents give each other a knowing and sorrowful look... that they knew this type of thing could be at risk of happening and that Elio will be hurt.

The book is narrated only by Elio and most of their story happened when he was 17. Pretty sure from Oliver's perspective things would have looked very different.

R12 my take was yes, Oliver really was falling in love with Elio but didn't know what to do with it. He had to leave and go back to school in New York, was probably not at all clear about what Elio's parents would think about him bedding down their son (although we later learn he was getting hints from Elio's dad that they approved), and for sure he knew his own parents would not accept a relationship like this at all.

The last shot in the hotel room in Bergamo on the day Oliver will leave for New York has him awake very early and with Elio still asleep... Armie Hammer handled this scene very well in my opinion. He has such a look of confusion, longing, helplessness, and what he knows will be the beginning of heartbreak for both of them as he watches Elio.

Oliver says his girlfriend has "been off and on for a few years" during their phone call which clues us in on his struggles to put up a straight face for his parents, society, whatever, and that he didn't have any feelings of true love for the girl. She just an apparatus for the closet.

As others have mentioned here, he probably got back to New York and with AIDS quickly changing the landscape for what being a gay man meant, he succumbed to all the pressure and had a knee jerk reaction to get married as a way to "solve everything".

Exactly. Because of his age the narrator was not 100% reliable. The parents however we really liked Oliver because they kept in touch with him throughout the years. Plus, he helped their son realize his true self. Very touching when ELio said in the book "I had choosen well". Part of me thinks a sequel would be nice to fill in some of the blanks left by the movie and the book.

I haven't read the book in awhile and now my memories of it are somewhat supplanted by the story arc of the film, but isn't it revealed in the novel that Elio had a hand in choosing Oliver as the student who would come to stay that summer?

R19 Yes. He helped the parents choose the students every year.

Interesting because in the movie the Mother says next time it will be a WOMAN.

I think people will be talking about this movie forever. Judging by you guys of course the book is better. I downloaded it a a long time ago so I think I will finally read it.

Yes ELio did have a hand in Oliver's selection. The movie reference that very well by showing how excited Elio was upon Oliver's arrival and his father mentioning his photograph.

I've seen the film 7 times now (I know, MARY!) and have had the chance to pick up little details missed in the first viewing. In the background before the phone call you can barely hear the Mom saying "but she's the strongest by far" (meaning the female intern candidate and her resume)... so I don't think choosing a female had anything significant to do with the Elio/ Oliver situation.

Granted I have not read the book, someone correct me if I'm wrong and it was a reactionary choice in the book?

I don't remember anything in the book about future students. There are mentions of a Maynard, a student who stayed with them before Oliver, who had a crush on Elio and Elio kinda didn't know what to with it. Even if by then he knew he liked boys.

It's interesting that they chose to excise the neighbor girl with cancer from the film version. Her very special relationship with Oliver in the novel was something that Elio both envied and was in awe of. I know that it would have taken time away from the love story that was at the center of the film (rightfully so), but that was one of the qualities that really humanized Oliver in the book and it's a shame that we couldn't see a little more of that side to him in the film.

r25 Vimini was the one detail I found a little cheesy and too fairy-tale like in the book. Like, really? a little genius girl who's dying of cancer and has the same birthday as Elio? BUT. I did like what you say, the relationship with Oliver humanized him a little.

I agree about the cheese factor, r26, but it also accounted for some of Oliver's time when he was not with Elio, along with the poker playing (just briefly alluded to in the film, but was a bit more pronounced in the novel). I like that Elio witness Oliver's relationship with Vimini from afar and was sort of jealous of this young girl with cancer and the time she got to spend with Oliver. I can totally see why they cut her from the film though. It is kind of superfluous in hindsight, but it does show this lovely and compassionate side to Oliver from the very beginning.

I'm glad they left a little girl out of the movie too distracting. Oliver massaging Elio's foot after the nose bleed was a way to allude to his compassion. I give the movie a B+ from the novel. I do wish that the love scene had been detailed as well as the morning after and they would've shown how they played footsie under the breakfast table. I'm really sorry Luca decided to cut the peach eating seen it was a pivotal part in their relationship.

It's times like these when I bet he misses Timmy.

R28 I read an interview with Timmy where he said that they did several takes of the peach scene and in some of them Oliver ate it and some of them he didn't and that the one the used for the film was simply the best one for Luca. After reading that, I get the idea that it was literally just about timing during the scene and physical improvisation between Timmy and Armie. The scene kind of naturally worked that way, and apparently that take was the best one.

I think Luca made a wise choice by opting for the scene he did. The essence of the peach scene from the book is still there in that urgent and tender moment.

Granted, their relationship is definitely more physically intense in the novel on all levels (in terms of the raw sexuality and sensuality), down to them looking at each other's shit, which is gross, but it also really highlighted how much they absolutely desired one another on a visceral level. I thought the film did a good job at playing up the sensuality and hinting at the qualities of their desire to be together and merge, but kept it subtle enough not to let it become too gratuitous (not that I would have minded, but there is a sanitizing process that happens with most page to screen adaptations).

R29 He looks soooooo uncomfortable and out of place. Lol Do you think that was by design because of the character he plays in Sorry to Bother You?

It's just a picture mamma mia!

Sooo uncomfortable.

cheer up brother

R34 Yup, he doesn't look uncomfortable in that one...

He's wearing that newsboy cap more and more. The Hammer knows his hair is fading fast.

Armie looks disappointed because none of his black costars knew Mike Tyson personally.

Why o why does every Man especially the hot ones MUST have a beard?

I love the scene with Oliver doing 80s style dancing. Elio watches him for awhile then joins in. Is that in the book?

[QUOTE]It's just a picture mamma mia!

Do remember you're dealing with people who think they can analyse the health of a friendship based on Instagram likes.

Lighten up, people were just commenting on how awkwardly white he looks.

R41 Thanks.

R40 Freud is real

Armie strikes me as one of those white guys that doesn't have a lot of close friends of color. Ironic considering he grew up in the Cayman Islands. He looked a bit awkward with the BOAN cast too.

I don't think he looks awkward. He's just a white guy among a bunch of black people. He stands out the same way a black guy stands out in a largely white cast.

He's awkward in the photo at R29 because they're all posing whilst he's just doing white guy polite smile.

armie is a mature actor who knows whats whats.

plus he is brilliant and hot and is getting a shit lad of offers.....

not to worry..

WE LOVE U OLIVER....

I don't see anything awkward.

He's just white and huge and we overanalyse because it's fun and bitchy.

R12 no the love affair between Elio and Oliver was mutual but in many ways it was a doomed romance given that Oliver would leave at the end of the summer. Oliver being older likely with more experience and not being able to fully accept his sexuality is trying to stop himself (and failing) from falling in love with Elio. The novel does a better job than the film and building the sexual tension between Oliver and Elio and Oliver's attempts at trying not to be vulnerable. Luca G. says nearly 30 mins was cut from the film which included a bit more of Oliver's reluctance.

The novel goes much with how passionate and steamy their relationship was. In the novel Oliver eats the peach the Elio wanked with and they even watch each other shit (which I'm glad was cut).

In the scene when Elio's parents hear from Oliver that he's just got engaged: the way they look at each other afterwards is no doubt largely because they are concerned that Elio will be very upset. But - and I haven't read the book - I also wonder if there is an element of the parallel with their lives, where the father has hidden his sexuality and got married. Oliver is about to do the same thing.

There was discussion on previous threads about the exchange near the end between Elio and his dad, and whether "does mom know?"...."I don't think so" referred to Elio and Oliver, or to dad's acknowledged feelings for men. I've little doubt it was the second, as it was pretty obvious that she was well aware of Elio / Oliver. But she's a smart woman, and I think the father is fooling himself if he thinks he has hidden his gay feelings from his wife all those years. I'd be surprised if she didn't strongly suspect. So the Oliver engagement would resonate with her as another woman being put in the position she is in, married to a gay or at least bi-sexual man. But as I say, haven't read the book so maybe totally wrong!

R10 the kissing and the caressing of the wound could have been added to the story— I wonder why it wasn't.

R51 You're not wrong. In the novel is also implied that Elio's mother knows what is going on between Elio and Oliver. The film does a better job with it and in fact I think she is the first one to suspect what is going on with them. In the scene where Oliver and Elio come down for breakfast the morning after they first have sex the look she gives them is priceless. Mama knows.

R53 et al. could all of you posters take the Elio and Oliver discussions to the CMBYN thread??

R51 yeah i think the book makes it quite clear that the "does mom know?" question is about elio and oliver.

but also what R53 said...

sorry, meant R54!

Armie's new sundance movie....

Oh lord this movie will be so much fun....

Is Armie getting lots of offers? Good because these pictures make me worry about Armie. Everyone loves Timmy. He will be fine.

I’m sorry. Just a little more about the movie. I was really impressed with the actress playing the mother. She was stunning.

Why the dedication for Bill Paxton?

Bill Paxton was one of the producers' close friend.He was with them in Crema during filming.

I am officially super excited about Sorry to Bother You. Sounds hilarious.

Very interesting.

[quote]I loved it I just don’t get the sore Armie had on his side. What was the point of having that in the story ?

Vulnerability. Like Elio's nosebleeds.

[quote]I don't remember anything in the book about future students.

When Oliver comes to visit at Christmas (he just calls in the movie), they all sit around and discuss who will be the next student, as it is a tradition that the previous student gets to give their input about the candidates, but we never learn anything further about who was chosen.

We do learn that the student before Oliver, named Pavel, was pushing a friend of his for the position the year before - but Mrs. Perlman didn't like Pavel, she felt he was anti-Semitic and refused to have anything to do with his choice. Oliver was apparently not really a standout among the choices, but somehow it came up that he is Jewish - and Elio upon seeing his photo is secretly attracted to him, and pushes strongly for him to be the one. As he tells Oliver, 'I made sure they picked you.'

{quote]It is kind of superfluous in hindsight, but it does show this lovely and compassionate side to Oliver from the very beginning.

I also felt that it's a touch of foreshadowing about his paternal instincts/desire to be a father.

[quote]yeah i think the book makes it quite clear that the "does mom know?" question is about elio and oliver.

Yes, Elio's take on his father's answer makes it plain: "I don't think she does." [italic]His voice meant, "But even if she did, I am sure her attitude would be no different than mine."[/italic]

I totally get why people who have only seen the movie think Elio is asking whether Mrs P knows about Mr. P's past, though, because they played up considerably both Mrs. P's awareness of Elio and Oliver in the film AND made both she and her husband a bit more cheerleaderish about the relationship than they are in the book - so it seems less likely that Elio could even question whether she knows.

One last note about this from me regarding the movie itself in this forum. In the screenplay which I am dying to read if anyone knows if it's available? The scene were ELio and Oliver are on the balcony talking about the fact that they were hiding that they liked each other the parents overheard them. Afterwords the parents went inside and made love. In a Q&A Luca said that scene was shot. When someone asked if it would be in the DVD he said maybe.

On Armie performance I felt his best scene was after their first time together when he thought Elio was rejecting him. The look of sheer panic and hurt was played really well. As well as his relief after giving Elio BJ showing him that Elio was still into him.

Looks like a LOT of the links for the screenplay are dead, here's one that's still working for now:

Thanks

Why I think Armie’s Oscar chances aren’t good and I hope I’m wrong. This movie makes you fall in love with Timmy and with Armie they make a great couple. The ending is Elio’s point of view so the phone call that devastates him we don’t get a reason why he does this you don’t feel very good about Oliver. Even though he has been great the whole movie you feel that bastard has broken his heart.

R67 I don't think anyone here thinks Armie has any chance to even be nominated. However I don't understand your argument, this is about Armie's acting performance (and IRL connections), nothing else.

Well, didn't we discuss in the previous threads that he could stand a chance to be nominated?

Two more days and we will the nominations. Thanks for the screenplay it made the movies timing cuts make more sense. Unfortunately some of the things that were left out made all Oliver appear more human

R67 "that bastard has broken his heart."

LOL! I wouldn't refer to a fictional character as 'bastard' I reserve that for real life 'bastards' like Trump, Sarah Palin, etc....There are far too many of them in real life; take your pick

But as I said earlier can this be taken to the CMBYN thread? This one is reserved for Armie 'The Man'

Incidentally, some people have commented on how uncomfortable he looks in the interviews that have surfaced about his new film. Well, he has said he wants to go down the indie route and go beyond his comfort zone, this could be the reason. He's pushing himself.

A not too enthusiastic review of Sorry To Bother You

So someone said he looks "uncomfortable" as a joke in one single picture and all of a sudden he's uncomfortable in all interviews and he's pushing himself? pushing himself to do what? sitting with black people?

Is every satirical movie by a black actor gonna be compared ad nauseam to Get Out now? Well yes.

Likewise, Brokeback Mountain being recalled whenever any other film featuring a gay romance is released. People are very, very lazy.

Apparently Hammer does a good enough job, fwiw

This is my last comment about the movie even though I’m talking about Armie’s chances for Oscar.

Are we qualified to talk about Armie the man? Who here knows him? I will never join Facebook or twitter.

I meant you don’t have any sympathy (at least I dont) for Oliver at the end and many things have been left out that makes less human that translates to less Oscar votes.

You wouldn’t call the character in The Shape Of Things who gets a gun a bastard ? You wouldn’t call a racist cop who beats up and pushes an assumed gay out the window a bastard?

I do have sympathy for Oliver, why wouldn't I? I perceive him as a fragile and conflicted gay man whose life in America is closeted and unhappy. But this is definitely a discussion for the CMBYN thread.

It is not lazy writing. Many think Brokeback Mountain is the best gay film. My iPhone is messed up so that’s why I’m here. I just saw the movie and want to talk about it can’t find the movie thread. Unfortunately I have been told what happens in the book so it spoiled it a bit for me.

I swear this is the last about the movie. You asked nicely so I will stop.

Yes please staaaaph

R78 the movie and book thread

It sounds like the movie is messy despite its intriguing concepts. Armie is basically a character actor now - this is the second Sundance feature from a director of color in which he is the stand-in for white oppression.

I forgot he was in that rapist movie. That might be why he so defensive about Woody Allen.

Thanks for the link.

Poor Armie... he could've been in the OG Justice League movie.

I would love to see him in the Batman suit.

God they are still asking him about that stupid movie.

R84 Thanks God he wasn't.

Is Armie still taking acting classes? Seriously. He’s a limited actor now, but he could be so much better if he could learn to control his booming voice.

Usually I pay no attention to awards, but I am so invested in Armie getting a nomination on Tuesday, even though I suspect he won’t.

R82 Armie never defended Woody Allen, and the cast of BOAN didn't know about Nate Parker's past until after the film was made.

R81 it sounds like he represents capitalist oppression as opposed to just white oppression.

I have the feeling the movie will be ignored. Maybe the only possible oscar nom and win will be Ivory. Michael Stuhlbarg could be nominated instead of Armie because he's a father figure older voters can relate better to,but they both risk to be snubbed for splitting the votes. I don't take for granted Tim's nomination and even so,he'll not win.

It's the only film in contention for Adapted Screenplay that has a good chance of getting a Best Picture nomination. There is -100% chance it missed that category.

No one has ever been nominated for BAFTA, Golden Globe, SAG and won LAFCA + NYFCC and not been nominated for an Oscar. Hence Timmy would be the biggest acting snub ever if he didn't get in.

Since the extended lineup, no film has ever been nominated at BAFTA + PGA and not got a Best Picture nomination. Hence it would be the biggest statistical BP snub of the decade if it didn't make it.

Anything after those three categories is a question mark.

*There is -100% chance it misses that category.

I thought Stuhbarg was terrible with the exception of the speech. I was constantly aware he was playing a NICE guy and his beard was so distracting.

There is one thing I’m afraid of. Beisides maybe Dunkirk Name the only movie in award season that didn’t have a diverse cast. I could have sworn I read if a film didn’t have diversity it wouldn’t be considered at awards. I also haven’t seen the Jew hater movie. Are the rules different in Europe?

Best Song for sure. Winning is the question mark.

It gets away with having an all-white cast by being about bi/gay Jewish men.

Adapted screenplay will win for sure. And that's it.

R96 I’m sure they could have cast Mafalda as some sassy black actress. Like Mo’niqe or Leslie Jones....because diversity is important.

Two noms most, Adapted and Lead Actor. Would be genuinely surprised if it got Best Picture.

A black person in a small town in Italy in the early 80s would be ridiculous, let alone among wealthy Jewish snobs. Italians would have better reasons to be pissed off at the movie since most of the characters sporting an Italian name (Annella, Marzia, Chiara, Elio) are French or American actors.

^^ "snobs" didn't mean to sound harsh, I actually love those characters.

I think Chalamet will definitely get a nom because even if Oscar voters don’t like the movie, they can get away with omitting it for BP and still nominate Chalamet to look like they’re not purposely snubbing the film. Anyway he’s a nice Jewish boy who reminds Academy members of their own grandchildren.

We really need to take our conversation to the CMBYN thread. We been filling up the Armie thread for awhile.

Excuse me but who made you Julie from The Love Boat?

R104 I don’t know...respect for the subject of this thread and the request of other posters who have asked, nicely, that we take our specifically CMBYN discussions to its other thread?

R99 Why would you be genuinely surprised when statistically it's almost certain?

Really Mrs H? What if she wants to be a diesel dyke? Don’t think you’ll be IGing her first day at motorcycle repair school.

You are a bozo if you think this won’t be nominated.

Maybe music will calm the savage beast or calm the need to control.

I left and came back and people were talking about the movie. Ok I’ll lesve again.

Final portrait is online at last...now i love Armie and all but Alberto Giacometti is the subject of one of the best classes I ever did and Rush is just one of my best childhood movie memories because of Shine. Seems like him and Armie did a great job but the movie direction from Tucci lacks balls and it's a pity as I also love Tucci.

Did Armie have a prolbem playing a gay role again? He doesn’t seem to have the hang ups Jake G does maybe it’s too soon to tell.

I commented it on an earlier thread but I think it's interesting that his best performances, have been in movies where he plays gay/bi men.

His character's sexuality is only hinted at, in Final Portrait, but I'm sure he wouldn't have objected if there had been more than that. Jake G is a dubious (?) bachelor and Armie is a married father of two who looks as straight as he probably is.

True R111 I loved him in J. Edgar, he was a charming and perfectly believable gay man in love.

He prob would be great in straight sexual/romantic roles too if he actually took one.

Armie got a nomination from the International Cinephile Society who are as snobby as their name sounds.

I never thought I'd see the day.

I think the boredom that his personal life is has decreased his appeal a lot and limited him,I'm not pointing the finger at his wife or anything just speaking about marketability. It would be better if he kept his family life and work life separate, like any actor with ordinary partners do. What a waste of a career.

His Sorry to Bother You costar Lakeith Stanfield is impressed by him.

Chris Hemsworth also has a boring personal life and is much more popular than Armie.

Because of Thor. And literally only that.

Thor....goodness gracious what an artistic achievement!

As I’ve said before, Armie needs to be cast in a superhero movie.

Honestly, I couldn't picture Chris Hemsworth in anything else but Thor. Also, he doesn't seem very versatile in acting...

R121 I kind of agree. I'm not dying to see him as a superhero but Chris Hemsewhatever is a more limited actor than Armie and the only reason he is relevant is because of his muscles and because he plays Thor which translates massive exposure because of fangirls and fanboys worshiping him.

R122 he's as versatile as a Cossack boot.

I don't want Armie being cast in yet another dire superhero franchise, and hasn't he said that he's fed up with that sort of stuff?

He should go the indie route, but he needs a director like Luca in order to bring an acclaimed performance out of him.

He would not have made a good superhero. He’s too pompous.

Chris Hemsworth had so many flops that he should've been the subject of this Buzzfeed article about white guys getting second and third and forth and fifth chances. And he is a terrible actor.

Chris H is good comedian

this kind-hearted spirit!

That's funny, r130. I wonder if his agents and publicist were cringing at that video.

Ah, he can still blush.

Is Lakeith always quiet? I find him hot and it's not usual for me to look at another guy when Armie's on screen.

Believe me it's better when LaKeith is quiet. He is weird dude; Jaden Smith levels.

R98 Mafalda played by a local Luca did auditions for represents the working classes. Surely that's a point for diversity??

Poor FDAH.

Really R135? The actress playing Mafalda was great.

R136 approved by the Food and Drug Administration.

R137 yes, she made quite an impression. She's definitely an indispensable part of CMBYN

R136 JFC he looks a little Balilla boy during Mussolini dictatorship. These kids are going to worship satan and mass murder their school friends before turning 10

This outfit doesn’t have his initials. How will strangers know he’s an heir?

R141 it actually does, it's on her story. Thank goodness, no one would be able to identify him otherwise

Wait no, he's changed outfit and I am blind. Apparently he has several outfits in that same style and colour. She doesn't stray does she.

The kids are so beautiful but i feel so embarrassed for them.

She dresses them like dolls. It’s creepy.

Gold Derby experts has moved him to #4 (from #5) on the odds list for nomination. He is also at #4 with the combined votes on that site. So he still seems to have a fairly good chance for a nomination on Tuesday.

Don’t hold your breath.

I think he has a very solid chance of being nominated, although they probably already have the award engraved with Sam Rockwell’s name.

R141 "Sunday school cool" - so their kids go to Sunday school? Didn't realise they were that religious. Also, advertising where your kids are going to be every Sunday morning seems a touch reckless.

Jeez. Sunday school? I wonder if Armie is truly okay with raising his kids religious.

The kids are beyond cute but why dress them like props. Not surprised they go to church she comes off as a desperate housewives.

R150 he was raised like that and look what a great relationship he has with his parents!

[quote]Also, advertising where your kids are going to be every Sunday morning seems a touch reckless.

Please, Mrs H probably thinks getting them abducted would be the ultimate status symbol. "We're just like the Gettys!"

R153 That thought has crossed my mind! Maybe not abducted, but I half think she wants a stalker to show she's made it. Like when she was in New York, she actually posted which hotel she was staying at - that seems utterly insane to me given the amount of crazies out there.

LOL marry me R153!

He looks like shit today. Hangover?

Geez, where are those under eye patch things when you need them?

This award season all bets are off with so many undeserved winners. It’s like whoever messed up Presidential election is also messing with movie awards. The usual rules do not apply. I loved CMBY N it has made me an Armie and Timmy fan fan for life. It’s time to face facts. Hollywood did not embrace the film.

He doesn’t look bad. Maybe he and Timmy have gone their separate ways and in real life Armie is the heart broken one.

If that's looking like shit.

[quote]Is Armie still taking acting classes? Seriously. He’s a limited actor now, but he could be so much better if he could learn to control his booming voice.

He said in a recent interview that he 'works with an acting coach', but it sounds like he does it on a one-to-one basis, not as part of a class. He also mentioned that he has a researcher that he works with for his roles. He used both for CMBYN.

Of course, I’d expect him to have private lessons, rather than a class. Everybody would taping him with their phones.

A researcher? I’ve never heard of such a things, where actors are concerned

Do you have the link to that interview R161?

What's the role of the researcher?

Here's the link, r162. Armie says:

[quote]I have a professional researcher who I work with, and I have an acting coach that I work with, and we did a bunch of work here before I went. I went and just added on to that and just built it and built it and built it, and ended up coming up with this character that we felt was beautifully complicated and human.

It's a great interview, r6. It's funny Armie mentions that one of Luca's tips at the after-dinner movie watching was about particular looks in the movies. For me it was Armie's facial expressions in the morning after scenes that were some of the best moments

Thank you R164

So he went to an acting coach for the specific role of Oliver. And he did a good job, with some excellent moments, but also some self conscious wooden moments. I need to view Armie’s other movies, because I’ve never see an Armie movie before CMBYN.

And, this is going to sound mean, does anyone believe that Armie has read Proust?

I don’t get why that sounds mean.

Can someone post a link to the Timmy thread. My phone is all screeed up.

Timmy Chamalet Part 9 for you R167

Thank you

I’m 24!

Give it a rest.CMBYN was shot almost 2 years ago.

Thank you r171.

[quote]And, this is going to sound mean, does anyone believe that Armie has read Proust?

It's possible...sometimes people who didn't take their formal education seriously attempt to self-educate later. For someone who's a high school dropout, he is pretty well-spoken. But in that interview he says only that he and Luca 'discussed Proust'...it could have just been Luca yakking about Proust and Armie listening and asking questions.

And LOL, r170...Armie will be handsome for many years to come, but for sure he'll never look like Oliver in the summer of 1983 again. DILF-hood is here to stay.

[QUOTE]I have a professional researcher who I work with, and I have an acting coach that I work with, and we did a bunch of work here before I went

So he's a rich boy who employs people to do all the work for him and he just does as they say? And even that didn't work as despite TWO professionals doing work for him, Luca still had to force a performance out of him.

Any dreaded sequel would have to start with Oliver in his early to mid 30s and Timmy in his mid-20s in order for these two actors to pull it off. Part of me would like a sequel because I what to know more about these two lies especially all of Oliver's but there's a part that says leave well enough alone.

[quote]But in that interview he says only that he and Luca 'discussed Proust'...it could have just been Luca yakking about Proust and Armie listening and asking questions.

You just know that as soon as Armie got out of that meeting, he took out his phone and googled "PROOST."

Or more likely, texted his "professional researcher"

I kind of want him to stop talking about how much help he needed for this role. I know it takes a village sometimes, but does anyone think that directors will start to assume that getting a good performance out of him is more trouble that it's worth?

*than

R178 I do think that the amount of help he's said he needed probably played a part in him not getting a SAG nomination - I doubt other actors think much of him given the amount of hand-holding he needs.

I bet Nikkiwonder is the professional researcher.

That would explain a lot R181

Luca too a. Personal interest in Armie and kept on track.

He needs Luca much more than Luca will ever need him. Perhaps, like a fellow DLer suggested, they'll end up having a rapport à la Visconti & Berger after all.

I doubt SAG voters pay as close attention to his interviews as we do.

They just didn't think his performance was that great.

Movie: Armie Hammer as Berger and Luchino played by?

R185 Of course not, but all it takes is one to read it and start bitching about it to their friends and boom.

Armie like the weirdest things.

Nobody caught Peter Travers calling CMBYN a "two-hander" at R6?

pretty sure it will find distribution

The more I read about this movie the more I love it. I hope it does well.

"But the real show stealer is Armie Hammer as themanic drug-addicted CEO. Hammer is at his best in a role that is furthest from anything he’s played before."

Good, I'm glad for him.

Can't wait to see him in this. Is he going to be all gangster? Wouldn't it be ironic if in the end who really got him to come into himself as an actor was a black director?

R195 why would that be ironic?

You know buzz article 'white privileged guy', his people trying to make him happen, etc....and then it turns out he owes his career success to the blacks and the gays

How stupid of me! I don't know why that slipped my mind. I was very active in the thread that discussed the Buzzfeed article. Thank you for not calling me an idiot and/or biting my head off.

The casting isn't complementary. He's playing a cartoon of white privilege.

I think the casting is complementary because of that. He's going to be doing the same thing in his upcoming Broadway play. One thing I like about Armie is he's not afraid to take on roles that call out straight white male privilege.

Good point. He's a master of self-parody.

Wait....Armie didn't like Timmy's Instagram post and yet they're still friends? They don't hate each other? Wild!

R202 when was it?

R203 When was what? The Instagram post he didn't like was from a week ago. That video was posted 4 hours ago.

In other words R203, the fact that Armie and Timmy are flying to Europe at this very moment and goofing off together on the plane (as shown in R202) means that Armie not "liking" Timmy's Woody Allen Instagram post from last week meant nothing... despite many people trying to weave a narrative that it meant they were on the outs.

If I could talk to Armie I would tell him to lose the beard. Every bozo and his father has a beard.

R204 Ok, just wanted to know when the IG story was posted. Thanks.

[quote]I kind of want him to stop talking about how much help he needed for this role. I know it takes a village sometimes, but does anyone think that directors will start to assume that getting a good performance out of him is more trouble that it's worth?

Apparently having an acting coach that you bring to the set with you is not unheard of...but people like DDL and Gary Oldman aren't doing it, you know? It's probably best not to blab about it too much. Although I've never heard an actor specifically mention hiring a pro researcher, actors do research for roles all the time, so I'm sure he's not the only one who uses such a person. But I don't really see why a researcher would be needed for the role of Oliver. Research what? 1980s closet cases?

[quote]Movie: Armie Hammer as Berger and Luchino played by?

And introducing...Luca Guadagnino.

(Elizabeth and Dakota can play some of the side pieces like Marisa Berenson...)

So are we to believe that 'Armie in Wonderland' is now part of Luca's elite stable of actors? I don't see him paired with La Swinton anytime soon.

Dakota Johnson is also in Luca's "elite stable of actors", so it appears Luca is not as discriminating as you might think

Honestly, Dakota can’t act, why is she considered to be good by Luca? What does he see in her?

Dakota appears to be Luca's hag - she seems to spend a lot of time with him aside from work. Sufjan Stevens mentioned that she was with Luca at his house when Stevens first met with him to talk about doing music for CMBYN - they had been at a fashion show together. And she was his date for the GGs.

Luca loves Dakota. She was one of the first to see a finish cut of CMBYN @ Luca apt. I think Luca is impressed with offspring of famous people. Remember the Q&A when he got excited to hear tim dated madonnas daughter.

r213 do you have a link for that q&a?

...And it's over. No Oscar nom for Armie.

Poor thing.

both cops in....fuck off

woody harrelson does absolutely nothing in that goddamn movie

He dies, that's something...

Everybody knows the Oscars are shit

Armie is doing fine

Somebody needs to check on Armie. Please!!!!

Woody Harrelson was also good in War for Planet of the Apes. That may have helped him.

woody big scene is when he dies with a goddamn sac over his head & that's an oscar nom...fuck the f off

Plummer??????Harrelson??? Please....

fuck kevin spacey that fucking creep....only reason why plummer is there

Hmmph, knew it. Well at least it got best actor, song, screenplay and picture.

I knew Plummer was going to get in because they wanted to "reward" Sony for doing the right thing.

Funny thing is ATMITW is still performing terribly.

Poor Armie - I do feel badly for him. If the film hadn't peaked too early his chances would have been better. When he didn't get a SAG nom after the GG, the writing was on the wall.

He and Luca can comfort each other.

No Best Director for Luca. Considering how hard he worked to get this performance out of Armie, I think he at least deserves a nom.

Shade ^^^

I knew Armie chances for a nom were slim but considering who they nominated,he was royally snubbed. Very sad for him.

As others have pointed out - Christopher Plummer was not nominated for his actual performance, and that sucks. He's a great actor, but that slot should have gone to someone else.

Armie is only 31. With the right role (probably by Luca) he will have the chance again.

True, Rockwell is pushing 50, and he's only now being acknowledged. Armie's still got a ways to go.

But Sam Rockwell can actually act.

So can Armie, so long as he's given something to actually do in a role.

All the BSA nominees were at least 2 decades older than Armie.

I wonder what Armie is doing now? Is he weeping into Mrs H shoulder or Luca’s shoulder?

Luca. I bet that the smell of Luca, so familiar and inviting, comforts him.

The Shape of Luca

Guillermo del Toro's sequel to The Shape of Water, where a mute heir falls in love with a half-human/half-orangutan

Timothee plays the sassy French maid ^^^

Yeah, I know I'm in the minority here, but I really liked Sam Rockwell's performance. I usually do. I'm not surprised Armie wasn't nominated at all; but if he keeps working on his craft he may get there one day.

I liked Rockwell in Moon, I didn't like him in Three Billboards but then again, I don't like anything about that movie.

Armie Hammer is not Pia Zadora. He's actually been in other prestige projects before and has received high marks for past performances ('The Social Network', 'J. Edgar', 'The Man from U.N.C.L.E.', and now 'Call Me By Your Name', etc.). Hopefully, he'll continue to pursue more creative and artistically challenging projects that will help him evolve as an actor.

Rockwell was robbed when he did Moon,Moon was robbed as well and I love him as an actor so he's not the problem but Harrelson and Plummer noms are just ridiculous.

I think Armie can really act and with the right roles can raise the bar even more than this, but without a nomination or a smashing hit at the box office it's going to be very difficult for him to find someone who is eager to invest in him like Luca did and his next movies roles,which a part "Sorry to bother you" are pretty tame and standard to make any impact. He needs a fucked up movie,and embrace his own fucked up persona like someone like Jared Leto did. Leto has limited or questionable acting talent but did plenty of small (fucked up) roles and one flop after the other to try and get there, before getting the right one; and now he's got an oscar and a certain reputation (in good or bad)

Armie is missing that fucked up element that characterizes many actors who "have it" but never really "made it" have like Joaquin Phoenix for example. He's playing it too safe.

Hopefully after these couple of movies he already shot he will take other surprising roles to up the ante otherwise he'll be the eternal good guy/boyfriend/husband as support. I

I

I didn't think his snub would get so much attention.

There were a few notable snubs and surprise nominations this year. They're all getting a descent amount of press. Awards season was a bit of a mixed bag this year due to the current climate of inclusiveness.

*decent

I agree about a fucked up movie. Christian Bale was not thought of as more than a former child actor turned piece of beefcake until he did American Psycho. Armie won’t be able to create a good performance on his own unless he can tap into the Freudian mess beneath his golden boy persona, and build from that, rather than mimic other performers like he did with CMBYN. The ideal role for him would be something like Body Heat where he gets tempted into depravity, or something like dad in The Shining (the book not the movie) with a split personality. Or some sort of werewolf.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure Mrs Hammer would let Armie make a fucked-up movie.

I know he said that Mrs. Hammer doesn't want him doing intimate roles with women, but do you think that maybe a part of him thinks that if he goes all in for a particularly gritty role he may lose himself, and then ruin his marriage? Maybe he doesn't trust himself. He's already admitted to having problems controlling his urges, and as the kids get older Mrs. Hammer won't be able to follow him around everywhere keeping tabs.

He'll be fine, he has the twink.

[quote]I know he said that Mrs. Hammer doesn't want him doing intimate roles with women, but do you think that maybe a part of him thinks that if he goes all in for a particularly gritty role he may lose himself, and then ruin his marriage?

Then he should just go do a procedural on CBS a la that Catholic nut Jim Cavezial.

I think Luca would slowly lose interest in Armie if he went wild. Armie's restrictions arouse him because he wants to break down his barriers. But I agree it would be the best for Armie's career.

Does Armand take his own career seriously? Because if he does, those limitations that his wife allegedly imposes upon him are ridiculous and he should dismiss them. And if he thinks he needs an acting coach, maybe he should do that on a regular basis and not just for particular roles. It would probably help him gain comfort and confidence.

Your looks aren't going to last forever, Armie, do wake up.

If Armie works through his “Freudian mess” that roils so close to the surface, who knows what will happen? Mrs H has an inkling that it will not be good for their marriage. And Armie must be scared off that too.

You get to live life only once...be your true self Mr Hammer.

19/20-year-old Armand

NO NOMINATION FOR ARMIE

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Suck it Baking Soda man

Somone in another thread mentioned Aaron Taylor-Johnson playing this part instead of Hammer and I can't get it out of my head now.

I saw one cruel headline that said "Armie Hammer not called by his name."

R258 ATJ is an excellent actor with stunning looks. Oh, and looks young too.

The film premiered a year ago, STOP with trying to recast Armie for goodness sake. It's boring as fuck at this point.

Besides, Luca doesn't give a shit about who you'd rather fuck, it's Armie for him. Just be thankfuk that Shia didn't make it.

Thankful^ obviously

[quote]Somone in another thread mentioned Aaron Taylor-Johnson

an actor with even bigger issues than Armie. No thanks.

[quote]I think Luca would slowly lose interest in Armie if he went wild. Armie's restrictions arouse him because he wants to break down his barriers.

Luca would never "leave" if those barriers are broken for him alone or if he is the reason for Armie breaking them. He appears to be loyal to his muses. In one of the earlier press articles he says that the only think he wouldn't allow his actors is disrespecting him. So short of Armie being a tool, I think uncle bottom is here to stay.

I do give Mrs. Hammer credit, she has done her absolute best to tame her man. She must have recognized whatever baggage the man had early in their marriage, but even she has to notice that her man is inching closely to some sort of self-revelation. That instagram is such a can of worms waiting to open it's almost scary.

R264 you mean Elizabeth's instagram?

Asture observations R264. I’m rooting for Armie to live as his true self.....whatever that may mean.

Astute ^^^

LOL at fangirls blaming ARmie's limitations on everyone else but him. HIs wife is an easy scapegoat to blame. Armie is a limited actor . Time to accept that. No matter how big a boner you got for him. He just isn't that talented and his performance was mostly reacting to Chalamet's intense portrayal. I'm not in the least surprised by his non nom. He was plain wooden in a few scenes.

Well of course the fangirls blame the wife, it's what they always do, blame the women because their little closet cases must be perfect! Despite the claims otherwise, these fangirls hate the women in their lives, this is just a reflection of that.

R268 which ones? I want to compare notes.

He wasn't wooden. He gave an understated performance because the character of Oliver is very understated. Unfortunately the Academy prefers over the top performances. Also, folks critiquing the role limitations Armie imposes on himself because of his wife doesn't mean they ship him and Timmy.

Oh god, here we go. No it's not that Armie isn't a great actor, it's that the Academy doesn't understand subtle acting and likes over the top stuff. Fuck off with that insane level of fangirl bullshit.

Different person but it's not fangirl bullshit. Look at our presumed Oscar lineup this year: Oldman, McDormand, Rockwell, Janney. All OTT performances in favor of the superior, subtle Chalamet, Ronan, Dafoe, Metcalf.

Thank you r273, even people who don't follow awards shows know OTT acts are always preferred.

It's the Oscars, how can anyone doubt that OTT > subtlety?

Snubbed actors, Armie is among them but so is James Franco

[QUOTE] Look at our presumed Oscar lineup this year: Oldman, McDormand, Rockwell, Janney. All OTT performances in favor of the superior, subtle Chalamet, Ronan, Dafoe, Metcalf.

All nominated, so how exactly are these subtle performances being overlooked?

You're just acting like hipsters, pretending that you're taste is oh so much better than everyone else's - including the Academy. Which is hilarious given how many of you think Armie actually deserved a nod.

Ha Ha.

R.I.P. Armie Hammer thread.

Done and dusted. No Oscar for Armie.

Washed up. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Far from it.

Armie is like the Phoenix bird

R277

[quote]All nominated, so how exactly are these subtle performances being overlooked?

Because they're not going to win, despite the fact that they've all won major critics awards and the presumed Oscar winners haven't? No one is saying that subtle performances can't get nominated and I'm sure if Hammer was as good as Chalamet or Metcalf then he would have been. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't overlooked in favor of someone like Woody Harrelson whose performance is inferior but also less subtle.

[quote]Which is hilarious given how many of you think Armie actually deserved a nod.

He was nominated for many critics awards. Woody Harrelson and Christopher Plummer were not.

[QUOTE]they've all won major critics awards and the presumed Oscar winners haven't?

You do know Oldman has more critics awards than Timothee, right?

R281 You do know I'm talking about MAJOR critics awards, not the regional ones who tend to line up with Oscars more, right?

The major critics awards (the trifecta) are LAFCA, NSFC and NYFCC.

LAFCA + NYFCC were Chalamet's.

NSFC was Kaluuya's.

Oldman wasn't even a runner-up.

Oh, you mean just the ones that agree with the point you were making? I'll take Variety over you, especially as it's more accurate as to who's likely to win.

R283 Except I'm acknowledging that Oldman is more likely to win that's the whole point idiot.

And if you're not aware of the importance of LAFCA, NSFC and NYFCC in comparison to something like fucking North Texas then don't bother interacting because it's basic awards season knowledge.

Yeah, fucking Variety and their lack of basic awards season knowledge.

R285 Sorry, where on that Variety page does it claim that the regional critics are as important as the trifecta? It doesn't.

Sure man, you only like the cool award shows, you're not into that mainstream shit.

Here you go, see which ones they bother predicting on this forum dedicated to predicting Awards.

Like, I'm a member of this awards forum you've probably not even heard about, and if you have heard about it, I'm over it

R289 What?

R290 Nothing, you're just proving my point about you being a hipster about this really well. Thank god there's people like you who appreciate real acting. Not like those idiots in the Academy or SAG - whatever it is they do for a living.

In the real world, Armie's performance simply didn't merit a nomination. It's nothing to do with being subtle, it's about being great. And he isn't great. He's just about good.

R291 I'm not being a hipster by acknowledging that the critics trifecta are more well regarded and prestigious than the regional critics. It's quite simply a well-known fact by anyone that follows the awards race.

Opinions on acting are subjective but there's no point in arguing that the televised awards tend to prefer the big, bombastic performances than the subtle and nuanced ones. Armie's performance was more praised by critics than two of the people that got nominated in his category. That, again, is a fact.

*No point in arguing that the televised awards DON'T tend to prefer

Subtle acting isn't the same as wooden acting. To say that the character is non-emotive is such a cop out. I agree with R291. Armie's acting infact brought the movie down for me. He did not reflect the intensity of the relationship. Passion can be shown in a subtle way or in a loud way. Armie did neither. It didn't help that Armie looked Elio father's colleague, a professor, than a student. I have believed from the beginning that this casting faux paux is going to cost this beautiful movie. But that's jmo. The fangirling on here is at crazy level. Calling him a phoenix bird LMAO. How about some objectivity here huh?

R294 Maybe people just disagree with you? Acting like it's only his fans that have praised his performance is silly.

R294 You are absolutely right from your point of view. But your point of view doesn't matter and the feedback for Armie's performance is mostly positive both from critics and public alike; not to mention his co-stars and everyone involved,which is all what matters in the end.

Delighted Armie ruined this movie for you!

I’m not exactly sure what Armie being cast as Oliver cost this movie? If anything, his chemistry with Timothée may have contributed to it being such a beautiful film. Whose to say that Timothée’s performance would have been the same with a different Oliver? Actors don’t act in a vacuum and chemistry is not always something you can fake. I personally didn’t find Timothée all that special in ‘Lady Bird’ acting opposite Saoirse Ronan, but he was magnificent in this acting against Armie Hammer. Go figure? It’s all subjective.

This thread is the epitome of flogging a dead horse. Hammer time is over!

Hammer time will never be over as long as Mrs Hammer stays in IG.

Today, she posts on her story that “LHN” means “Live Here Now” for the uninitiated

She wants us to know that she LHN at a restaurant in Rome

Isn’t that exciting?

Isn't Armie with her? She hasn't tagged him.

We will keep discussing Armie until he is dead.

Or loses his looks.

Hammer Time is not over. In fact, it’s just beginning.

Well he doesn't seem too sad.

He finally posted something

would be nice for hm to say something nice about the nominees instead of leaving his wife to do it

Rome at night, Heaven on Earth.

Cyber stalking exhibit 101.

Armie Hammer Thread-Datalounge.

Is Timmy getting into bed with them tonight too?

Lol you wrong

Poor Armie. No nomination just good looks and millions and trips to Italy to be a balm for his pain.

Not to mention a wife, director and twink that all adore him and constantly tell him so.

It's a hard life!

I like Captain von Trapp but he already has an Oscar… and I like Woody H. too but I've seen that same performance from him before and it was nothing special.

Beautiful Armie so deserved to be nominated for his beautiful performance as Oliver!

The topic of Oliver being a "predator" by some Academy members may have prevented Armie from being nominated.

Such fools.

If Armie was average height, people prolly would not have focused as much on the "predatory issue"… which is really stupid if you think about it...

armie, tim and luca have yrs of stellar work ahead of them.

they jus gettin started!

Aww..........

Forget the movie, these people and their unusual close friendship are much more amusing to see.

Luca had a good night too.

R316 Padre,Figlio e Spirito Santo. Amen.

[quote]The topic of Oliver being a "predator" by some Academy members may have prevented Armie from being nominated.

The linked Twitter conversation is interesting, r311. Yesterday I was checking out the /r/movies sub on Reddit, where they have a dedicated thread for discussing each of the nominated movies, with hundreds of responses. I've certainly been well aware of the issues people have had with the age difference and its visuals, but most of the discussion I've had about the movie has taken place here. A LOT of people on that sub, people who are into film, couldn't deal with the age difference, couldn't get past the visuals. So I have no doubt that there were probably plenty of them among the old farts of the Academy. If it really did have an impact on Armie's chances, It's too bad.

Armie gave an obnoxious front page interview to THR at the height of awards season where he insulted the Academy for giving Casey Affleck an Oscar, and he also gave plenty of interviews where he made it clear he didn’t understand the character and Luca had to wring the performance out of him. There were plenty of reasons voters had to choose other actors. Mark Harris is an idiot.

I was reading a couple of movie journalists on twitter, discussing Armie and they said he is actually quite liked by members so his snub had nothing to do with him personally.

They had no trouble nominating a racist cop in what might as well be a blue lives matter movie, so if they left out Armie because they (idiotically) saw Oliver as a predator, that's pretty damn hypocritical.

R318 What are you talking about? I read that same discussion yesterday and was actually shocked at how much Reddit seem to love the film and the age difference was barely mentioned and when it was, it was refuted.

They currently have it ranked as their 3rd best film of the year.

R321 The problem isn't that they think he's a predator, the problem is that he's a gay one, which is scary for the white straight men of the Academy. Had CMBYN been a straight movie with the same plot, Armie might have been nominated

Anyone who was uncomfortable with the age difference in the film would have snubbed nominating the film altogether. And yet it still got four noms including Best Picture. So “Oscar voters can’t differentiate actor from character” is the stupidest excuse to explain Armie’s omission. He was also excluded by SAG and BAFTA voters. His performance simply wasn’t embraced as well as others.

If there was an actual problem with that, CMBYN wouldn't have been nominated for BP.

Even if it was an issue, it wont have been that alone. Splitting the votes with Stuhlbarg will have been a factor. Likewise, Armie being young and hot and rich with a beautiful wife and perfect children. Let's not forget most of the Academy's voters are old white straight men who would feel heavily jealous of someone like Armie and not want to give him anything else in life. Then there's also the fact that his career has been considered a bit of a joke up until now.

And r326 gets blocked.

Uh, why?

Additionally I think a lot of the “how dare he not be nominated” crowd is coming from a place of homophobia, where a straight actor playing a gay role is automatically elevated for his “bravery.”

Armie’s acting was not perfect in the film, his line reading in this scene is laughable, lacking any warmth or intimacy. Like a closeted person would just announce a line like that in a public place.

R327 for fangurling.

R330 I didn't say one positive thing about him other than he's hot but okay, if that's fangurling. I'd say it's more just a fact.

I think Armie's performance is undoubtedly uneven. However he does have moments of greatness that quite frankly overshadow some of the nominees that got in instead of him. It's nothing to do with him being straight and playing gay for me. His morning after scene was more memorable than any of the other scenes of the Supporting Actor nominees. And no this isn't fangurling, I still think Stuhlbarg was better and should have been the one to get in, if it only had to be one.

I'm reading all articles from Italian press and the movie is a must see. There isn't any mention of any problem about age. The overall consensus is that Luca managed to treat very delicate concepts with lots of sensibility,respect without using shock cheap element for the sake of being shocking or provocative. The movie is perceived as being honest and articulated.

"a masterpiece" "sublime"...

Guadagnino said he was very sad and disappointed by how bad A Bigger Spash performed in Italy because we tend to be very snobbish about this type of movies unless they are praised and validated by foreign press and public first,so this time he premiered the movie after the international release and it's working very well. Shame for Italy but that's how things work here.

Italian premiere

Wonder how committed Armie is to these press events now knowing he didn't get nominated

R334 looks like he is still doing his job as usual.

It's still a film that's putting his face and his name everywhere.

I'm surprised the thread took this long to get greyed out.

Sorry. Wrong thread. But still.

For those fixated on Armie's recieding hairline. Also notice the track suit. Lmao.

He did a press conference in a full on track suit like one of the Lakers doing a post-game interview. How tacky.

Kevin Jacobson of Goldderby laments Armie's lack of a nom, and recognizes his thirst for one: 'I kind of feel bad for Armie Hammer more in particular because I think he really wanted this,” he divulges. “He’s been campaigning like crazy for a full year for this movie, and for him to not get in is just kind of sad.”'

R340 the tracksuit is actually hilarious.

The Ringer writes about the end of Armie Hammer season.

Armie's nomination would have more of a "because he was in a critically loved movie" more than his actual performance. It was a crowded field and likely there was a vote split between him and Stuhlbarg. Also Sony Classic was so confidenet that the movie would be a run away Oscar magnate, I believe they fucked up the film's release and push for nominations.

Armie gave a really good performance as Oliver and the chemistry between him and Timmy was so strong I wouldn't be surprised if we find out years down the road they actually fucked. But it was Timothee Chalamet who carried the movie and if he hadn't been nominated that would have been a real snub.

Armie will be fine and who knows what's down the road for him. Luca is clearly in love with Armie and will use him again whether its a sequel to CMBYN or not.

BTW why is the wife with Armie promoting the film in Rome? Do actors usually bring their wives or spouses on PR tours?

No, but we all know she loves to be by his side at all times to keep an eye on him. Also, apparently Stuhlberg was in Blue Jasmine, so why is noone giving him grief for working with Woody Allen like they did Timmy?

Doesn't Elizabeth go with him whenever and wherever she can? I suppose that her social media (which is her actual job, never mind the baking business) benefits from it because more people will check her out if she's where movie promo is happening..

You must be new if you don't know Elizabeth follows Armie around like the fish that attaches to the shark's ass.

R344 Mrs H likes to dominate her husband. I actually don't think Timmy and Armie have fucked....Armie and Luca that's a different story.

R347 Oh please!He looks more than happy to be followed around and spent time with his wife.... nevermind he's liking bondage pussy again haha.

Elizabeth seems like a nice person and I can’t imagine holding any animus towards her, but you do have to wonder how much influence, for better or worse, she has over Armie when it comes to choosing projects considering how hands-on she appears to be with his image and career. I realize that they have a family and there are certain sacrifices that must be made, but hopefully those sacrifices don’t always come at the expense of taking artistic risks. I would think that’s his greatest challenge and potential impediment to his future success.

I wish she would eat a sandwich

If they haven't fucked then it's a total waste. They look so good together. Both tall and gorgeous.

They?

Didn't I read that Timmy said he once snuck into bed with Armie and his wife?

Don't make me vom.

He said it on one of the late night shows. I’m sure there’s clips online.

R353 Ok I don't mind visualizing Timmy and Armie going at it, but Luca ugh just lost my lunch

He wouldn't have said anything if there was anything sexual going on R356

Or they are hiding in plain sight? ^^^^

Luca looks like a flasher here

R360 More like a pimp with his merchandise

Lmao he totally does. And Armie and Timmy look like rap loving rent boys.

Armie really does look bad in that Adidas track suit... and that's saying something as the guy usually looks great in just about anything. Of course I think he probably looks the very best in nothing :-)

R363 that adidas would look better crumbled on the floor of my bedroom...just saying

My nu-metal nostalgic ass likes it idc

R365 holy shit. Same. I knew it reminded me of something. It was fucking KORN.

R366 First thing I thought was "It's on" lmfao

The pic at R360 could be the beginning of a Czech Hunter scene with Luca offering up his trade.

On to Paris then London right b4 the BAFTAS?

R353 I don’t think I’ve even seen a photo of Elizabeth looking so deep into Armie’s eyes

Now that Armie's Oscar collapse is complete, can part 13 be titled

Armie Hammer In Memoriam part 13

Give it a rest, he'll have other chances.

Armie smiling non stop, looking at Timmy with absolute fondness (and playing with his wedding ring, while wearing that ridiculous tracksuit). He looks like he's either high or drunk or just doesn't give a shit. Which I think looks kind of good on him.

The super rich and privileged trying to look street.

R373, he's straight up eyefucking Timmy there. It looks like he didn't want him to talk about Lady Bird, lol.

Oh dear

Awww Niki had an adventure

R375 He's joked about it on his Instagram before but Armie is such a possessive weirdo I wouldn't be surprised if he actually was somewhat jealous of Timmy doing Lady Bird. Both Armie and Luca basically admitted Armie threw a tantrum when Luca started working on Suspiria because he felt he was being cheated on...

Also, the more I look at that video the more I think Armie would totally fuck Timmy.

About the Oscars, I bet he is happy to be associated with a movie nominated in the most important categories. Sure, it would have been flatering to be nominated, but, what he has now is the best thing that ever happened to his career and he knows it.

r378 =

Armie looks like he already fucked Timmy

Armie is high. And he's eye fucking Timmy...hard.

I've never him play with his wedding band.

Has Mrs. H responded to this video?

Mrs. H is busy being actually fucked by Armie.

Dear god, these shippers...

R373, for those of us who don't have tumblr accounts that link requires a login. Is the vid up at another location?

Here's the original video.

How can you view Armie's Instagram "likes"? I read he "liked" more kinky shit today.

The first few seconds looks like intense eye fucking I'll admit that, but the rest of the video Armie looks like he's somewhere between trying to be happy for his friend but hurt that he didn't get nominated. The wedding ring thing is interesting. My husband plays with his wedding ring when he's feeling up because we've had a fight or he's annoyed with me. Maybe Mrs. H is pissed at him for getting drunk and high.

The way Armie whispers "Timmy" at the start of the video is kind of hot we're being honest.

Wow, he got no manner. He casually put his foot on table during that FB interview. It seems that the interpreter had to tell him to put it down before he actully did so.

That track suit was the first salvo in today’s “Give-no-fucks” Armie.

If you mean this linked interview, r389, Luca also had his feet on that table or ottoman even longer than Armie did. Armie looks deliriously tired and probably quite jet-lagged. He posted on instagram story tonight that he is working out in his hotel because he can't get any sleep.

I wonder what kind of working out he's doing

Jeez. Both had no manner then.

Timmy had one leg on the table at the end, too.

Obviously, it was an uncomfortable couch.

Armie's scruff is aging him. He needs to shave but only after he loses the double chin.

Amie was on a like spree at 5am. Nothing kinky just a shitload of art. I have to say that I've found out tons of artists and galleries,photographers and so on,especially grotesque oriented stuff I actually like a lot. His taste is interesting,I'm not surprised how much he tries to project this cosy and clean up portrait of his family. They all weirdos and can easily afford being such. One thing always hides another.

[quote]Armie's scruff is aging him. He needs to shave but only after he loses the double chin.

Sadly, I agree. The first thing I noticed when all these new Rome pics hit is that he looks older even since last week. The cap and tracksuit are DILFy signs of giving up.

I like him best with the scruffy look are you all kidding? I don't think it ages him quite the opposite and it's nice to see him dressed casual or borderline "unkept" for a change.

Any feedback from the Paris premiere?

He was a mess at the Italian junket, but he was probably depressed over the nomination and over promoting the film since he has nothing to gain from it anymore.

R396 any links to anything he liked? How can you see his likes on IG?

I wonder if he is going into crisis again like after the baby was born. And will begin doing passive aggressive things to get attention.

Which baby? what happened? Sulking won't win him any favors in HW. Remember when Leo had a hissy fit and Said hewasn't going to go to the Oscars when he didn't get nominated for Titanic. He later straightened up and came and appeared very happy for his costar.

Gawd, he looks 40+ and dissipated in that Insta @ R401.

“Why is this crazy bitch posing with us? We wanted a photo with Armie!”

Sorry, but that DILFy cardigan has got to go and the Cuntess of Cupcakes needs to unclench his balls.

Her presence in Rome was completely unnecessary because there was no red carpet involved, so she could have stayed home a couple more days, but is it possible that she hired the pap who took the pictures during the night out in Rome? I wouldn't put it past her, her thirst for attention is a bit alarming.

Liz doesn't trust Timmy. She can't leave his husband alone with Timmy in Europe lol

R400 you have to be following him on IG to see what he likes, but the weird thing is I follow him and I don't always see everything he's liked. It's pretty random what you catch him liking. Someone made a post on some of his likes...

What drugs does Armie do? I feel like he's a cokehead.

Mrs H is obviously aware of Armie being a public stoner and liking kinky photos on Instagram, so how does that fit into her Stepford life?

Armie has probably done coke in the past, but now he just sticks to weed and alcohol.

Could it be how IG works? I think it selects what you see of a user based on how much you interact with it. I started following many IG pages liked by Armie and like a couple of his latests post and quickly started to see much more of his own activity. I could be wrong but it happened before with other accounts I follow.

He looks so beautiful in these photos

just wow

Weed, alcohol and awful dietary habits account for his weight gain and his unkempt appearance (although I must say I love the beard). If his wife is such a control freak, why doesn't she help/force him to take better care of his looks?

R414 allow me this slightly better preview, he's worth it.

R415 I lot of men like to hide behind the "my wife doesn't want" "I don't do it for respect of this and that" excuses and then when the Pandora box opens....

R415 If he appears less attractive, fewer women will hit on him (or slide into his DMs).

I always thought he look best during this scene,the sport clothing,messy hair. He easily passed for a 25 years old. They should of gave him a slightly less classic look.

R418 But for many he's more attractive when he's messy. Oh lord what a dilemma for this poor woman.

Women tend to be both insecure and maternal, I bet more of them are tempted to hit on him if he looks like shit.

You'd think an 'alpha' woman like Elizabeth would love to flaunt her perfect husband instead of letting him slip.

He does look way more approachable in that Adidas track suit.

r412 You're right. Instagram is designed to be intuitive. The more things you like and follow, the more of those types of things it will show you.

r396, he does seem to be fond of modern surrealism or absurdist art (?), usually with a fleshy, erotic element to it, along with all the Japanese bondage kink. He's got mostly dark and obscure tastes, which is kind of intriguing since he comes across as such a wholesome, sunny guy. I'll bet he and Elizabeth have very different ideas of what constitutes art.

He looks a mixture of hungover, stoned, jet lagged, and depressed in that clip. I'm sure he's happy for Timmy but I'm guessing he's also jealous/depressed about his lack of an Oscar nomination. Let's face it, Hammer has been plugging this film to death for nearly a year now and he probably (and not unrightly so) thinks that this may be his one real shot at an Oscar nod given he himself admits to being something of a limited actor. I also feel bad for him because Sony Classics originally was pushing him for a best supporting actor nomination but then at the last minute switched their efforts to Michael Stuhlbarg which likely split their votes and neither one got nominated.

As for Armie and Timmy, I can't believe there are people who actually think these two are fucking. They clearly have a bromance thing going on but their interactions together seem more like close brothers. Now, I wouldn't be at all surprised if when Armie's high or drunk that he dabbles in a bit of peen play but that is about it. People really need to separate pretend from reality.

Agree with R419 he can looks 24/25 in those photos

R425 Sony expected Armie would be nominated but after the film started going into wider release, Stuhlbarg's monologue at the end of th emovie was getting more attention. Wanting to get every Oscar nod it could, Sony switched its focus to Stuhlbarg. I don't think they meant to snub Armie as they were still campaigning for him BUT I think they wanted to do everything to ensure the movie got a best supporting nod.

Given that Broadway is around the corner, Armie would be wise to grow a thicker skin because if the reviews and the audience response aren't good, he'll still have to be there and perform.

I think what he achieved with this movie is huge considering he's probably one of the few nominated or potential nominated actors who had to prove his acting skills and not just nail a role. He had some interesting moments in past movies but he wasn't in them enough to prove anything. He will never be a Christian Bale but there is a place for everybody in that business and plenty of times it's more about being in the right place at the right time than pure talent. A nod would have been such a huge burst for his career but maybe he's not ready yet to deserve this,he needs a couple of other interesting roles before being 100% convincing,so all in all snub or not,depression or not ,this is very good for his career.

Also If he indeed were nominated he would have been hit by a ton of negativity because Stuhlbarg deserved that spot more than him or at the very least as much as him. So a snub in his case had a better outcome than a nomination. He's getting a lot of support despite the occasional same old and tiring sarcastic remarks. Sometimes a 3 star review is better than a 5 star review so to speak.

That's true. Stuhlburg is in 3 Best Picture nominated films this year alone. He is even more overdue for a nod than Armie since he was already snubbed for a Serious Man. In a way, the Academy did Armie a favor, because if he had gotten the nod and not Stahlburg, the general public would probably find him overrated and undeserving. At least now people are sympathetic to him and will probably check out his movies more.

I think if the Spacey-Plummer thing hadn't have happened, both Armie and Stuhlberg would be nominated because Harrelson sure as hell doesn't deserve a nod more than them. The Academy just didn't want to choose between them so they went with neither.

Armie devours Timmy with his eyes. He will not resist for long.

Maybe no one's resisting.

I don't see the eye fucking I see a guy who is full of pride that his friend was nominated, and depressed that he didn't get nominated himself. To me Hammer's body language was one of "I'm done with this film"

He's exhausted, not horny.

Armie has the same expression Margo Channing had watching Eve accept the Tony.

Today, clean shaven

I don’t think he’s “done” with the film, but I’m sure they’re all done anawering the same questions over and over. They’re just rehashing the same material in every interview at this point

r438 She must have made the wife take the picture. Good thinking.

R438 I actually like him better with the beard....and I don't mean his wife.

That cannot be today....it's fucking cold here and everybody is in t-shirts. No way.

R442 ya. This looks more a picture from when they were filming CMBYN in 2016.

This is from today.

My Armie has never slammed his huge nuts, which had to be digitally removed from the film, against young Timothee's ass.

Holy crap R444 he looks like he's on a bender

He looks pretty sober actually.

They're live on French TV right now and both are charming.

He looks good, just a little tired. He's such a cutie......

Timmy is embarrassing Armie by telling the digitally removed balls anecdote in French.

R448 is Armie eye fucking Timmy again? Dreaming of eating out Timmy's tight young gash.

The girls in the background must be positively salivating.

No R448, it's very fun and light hearted, Timmy did most of the talking in French and was the usual charming/nervous mess that he is. Armie was a little behind because of translation. They were the funny and touchy feely with each other. Timmy said "fuck yeah" because he was allowed to on French TV.

R452 Does Timmy not look a but like Natalie Portman there?

They're killing it in this interview.

They must have fucked and made up last night. is mrs h. with them

Modern family.

They had in the audience the girl who went to Crema and did these beautiful picture in picture shots, so Timmy and Armie ran to the audience to hug her.

R457 Who is Niki wonder?

R459 Armie's childhood friend.

And confirmed bachelor.

R461 so Armie has sucked him off pot maybe coke too...got ya LOL

This is OT but why do ONTD despise this movie and Armie Hammer so much? Checking twitter feed or tumblr there is for everybody no matter what a fair share of negativity or plain distaste but ONTD is something else...What is the general target of ppl over there? It's so extra and unreasonable they sound like they are viciously trolling but they are really not...

Don't they despise almost everything?

The better question is why any sensible person still goes on ONTD. That site went off the deep end around 2012.

Well they have a very special hate for the movie that goes way beyond the general bikering. Last year before the movie was out i bumped into one of their threads and I really thought Tim or Armie molested someone by the tone of the discussion.

R465 I'm not familiar with that place I just visited because it popped up on twitter a couple of times connected to the movie/armie and thought it was like a blog version of here. But the place is tot insane. Is it famous?what's the deal with them?Just out of curiosity.

It's a gossip site that's been taken over by particularly deranged SJW R466 It was quite popular, and better than today, in the heyday of LiveJournal.

It's just another celebrity gossip/discussion forum. It's been around since the early 2000s (still uses live journal for heaven's sake). I used to go on there when i watched True Blood because they would have post-episode discussions. They also had great gifs. Unfortunately, around 2012 or so, they got so SJW- like that they became insane. They now hate everyone and nitpick everything any celeb says. It's not even in a funny, smart kind of way like folks on here do it. They're just downright terrible people over there.

They literally hate everything. They're just a sad bunch, not even SJWs... just hateful and bored (and boring)

Got it thanks. Yeah I see now,pretty much one of those internet forsaken cesspool like perex hilton many years ago. They are pretty exhausting and yeah....not an inch of self-irony like this place or tumblr. But the way you describe them they are pretty much irrelevant in the big picture of gossip world. Bless their hearts then.

Armie said he's spent so much time with Timmy that now Timmy pops up in his childhood memories. Huh.

R471 I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I don't think Armie had many friends as a child, or maybe even now. I would not be surprised to hear that most people probably find him weird.

He was bullied as a child/teenager so that's very likely, R471

I don't think he comes across as weird. Sure, he likes weird things, but he has a pretty normal personality. He's just very outgoing.

How could kids hate the one who provided them with Playboys and lotion? He should have been their king.

Considering his only friend close to his age is Niki and he's his childhood friend since forever...he could very well be kinda on his own. He also does't seem to have any relevant friendship or clicked with any actor he worked with. Ok that most of this HW so called friendships are PR stunts but still...

Annapurna, the Megan Ellison-headed production outfit, picked up Sorry to Bother You in a competitive situation for a low-mid seven-figure deal. Endeavour Content negotiated on behalf of the filmmakers.

“We fucking love this movie,” Annapurna said Thursday in a succinct statement.

GOOD.

The French interview was nice. Armie really defending the age question and reminding people it was ELio pursuing Oliver and it was something they both want it. American actors are more relaxed doing interviews oversees. I hope they do the Graham Norton show in London.

We'll have a sequel!

Armie saying that he sees Timmy in his childhood memories is such a sweet and odd thing to share. They're so lovely. I hope they don't drift apart.

Oh how sweet. Luca is going to give Armie another shot at an Oscar nomination by giving Oliver AIDS.

This sequel seems like such a bad idea in so many ways.

The sequel is a fine idea, people just love to overreact.

Mrs Hammer’s vagina is a suction cup

r444 pic shows they are staying at The Bristol... I know those headboards well. And the hotel is also home to the prettiest pussy in Paris.

I can’t believe she tagged her bag and shoes.

All these posts and no mention that Paris is flooding. A little tone deaf.. Liz is not socially aware

She also found The Bristol pussy from R485, Fa-Raon!

Casey made Armie apologize for saying he should be boycotted for harassment allegations & now won't even attend the oscars.Jerk!

Well at least now Armie won't have to look at Casey's ugly mug on Oscar night. I hope he makes some shady but hilarious remark about him soon.

Is the missus kidding? Is Nicki the male Catherine Zeta Jones? He has to be in his mid-thirties.

lol there's pic of him and Armie pre-puberty he's def a couple of years younger. Armie looks like a platinum version of Christopher Lambert.

He just looks older cause he dresses fussily.

Still adorable.

I can just imagine the deep embrace these two fell into when Luca told Armie he was going to write an AIDS role for him. “You’ll win like Jared Leto and Matthew McConaughey!”

Aids role not very creative. The academy been their done that. Luca really trying

Didn't know aids was a creative option for a movie this specific.

Protagonists won't get aids, it will "only" be treated politically and socially just like the Italian political scene and Euro scene after the fall of Berlin Wall. In Italy I remember there were adv on tv about hiv late 80's and it was treated more like a joke than anything because it was something that didn't have an impact like in the Usa. The huge jump happened when Freddie Mercury died in 91. So it made perfect sense for the protagonists of the movie not to discuss about it,especially in such a small town.It was a non-problem but if the next movie is in late 80's early 90's then it would be simply idiotic not to mention it.

Armie is in his nu metal tracksuit again and he looks hot tbh. Like a hot Ukrainian mobster.

He needs to get rid of that track suit. This is not 1997.

The track suit needs to go

R497 HOT. now he only needs those black lacquered pointy shoes.

Big fan of the track suit, here.

Not. Armie looks like a tacky American. I want my bab back.

Elizabeth has probably pimped Armie out to Adidas. And notice the omnipresent watch which he is waving around in R497.

Hawking cup cakes only gets you so far. Armies sweet ass is Hammer Inc. most valuable asset.

R502 Armie looks stoned.

[quote]Protagonists won't get aids

Elio won't get AIDS. Elio is the protagonist. Oliver is the perfect character to get AIDS. The perfect lover always gets AIDS. The Normal Heart, Falsettos.

R505 No he won't.

I think both characters will be AIDS free, otherwise it wouldn't make sense for Luca to do 5 sequels on their lives.

Besides Luca would never want Armie to look 'ugly', not his big boy.

For such a naturally attractive man, Armie doesn't seem to have much of a sense of vanity to him, which is odd considering who he's married to. Elizabeth seems to like everything staged and perfect and is no doubt living her fashion fantasy through their tour of Europe, yet Armie seems perfectly comfortable sporting a track suit and a scruffy beard. At least he pulled a look together for Quotidien.

Armie trying to be Young and Hip.

R509 could be the opposite, Maybe he has a huge ego and think he's cool enough it's not necessary for him to be dressed properly and she is more adequate looking considering the circumstances.

Her dresses and stuff is not that expensive end sometimes cheap as hell,and she wore the same dresses/shoes multiple times, many of them are given from showrooms like they usually do and returned. she's rich but not hollywood rich and has very limited sense of fashion in fact her styling is pretty old even if her intent is to look classy with a bit of edge. But at least she tries,with boring and limited results. If she was the one in track suit with no make up people would demolish her online.

R511 I actually think Armie is relatively speaking for someone in Hollywood down to Earth. Mrs. H gets off on the exposure she gets from being Armie's wife and creating the image of a perfectly happy family life. Her ultimate goal is to get some kind of show of her own.

R512 what kind of show? Just curious...

R513 Cooking or home and family type crap. She's done a lot of appearances on stuff like that in recent years.

R514 yes she's trying to brand herself as a devoted wife and mother with the perfect husband and happy children.

Mrs. is a daddy's girl who was mentored with a marketing approach so everything is a brand to her.

[quote][R514] yes she's trying to brand herself as a devoted wife and mother with the perfect husband and happy children.

This will not end well.

Armie is going to leave her for Timmy we all know this.

No he's not but I do see trouble. This movie has awaken something artistically in Armie. She will need to loosen up the rains and stop all this self promoting.

R519 I think R518 was making a joke. That being said of course their marriage will end in divorce, it's Hollywood. They've been together for over 10 years, that's a huge accomplishment in LA land. Wasn't there a rumor or blind item a few months back that she was furious that Armie didn't take her to the Toronto Film Festival. I guess Armie didn't want her ruining his reunion with Timmy or Luca both of whom he hadn't seen since Sundance.

As strange as their marriage seems, I don't think he will leave her. Not for awhile, anyway. He's very devoted, and he may not be as oppressed as everyone thinks he is. I think if she had been down, he probably would've married her sooner. I just think they need to stop "stuntin' for the gram" so much. It makes it look as though things are amiss, even if they're not.

R521 yes I agree there marriage is probably fine. Doesn't Armie like being controlled anyways. My hunch is the marriage will fizzle when Armie's career fizzles and she has no more use for him.

Armie has said he sometimes thinks in a Russian accent. I guess his inner Russian thug broke free.

She wants to be more than the unknown wife,her goal is to be someone like a non-acting Blake Lively;but instead of that antebellum e-commerce fail; she has cupcakes.

I think she's very harmless and insecure also because she's pushing 36. Armie does what the hell he wants. Like those men who pretend to be overly jealous just to distract from the fact they're the ones cheating in the first place. Like the saying "feign madness but keep your balance".

r524 You think he cheats? That would explain why he acts so over the top about their love....

I love that he captioned that photo at r523: “Hello, Style, it’s me again...”. Clever. I also like that he tagged the woman in the portrait as Timothée.

Sorry but Nick is adorable

R525 No it was an example. To say that he empathizes things too much to give a certain tame/safe image of himself,the good husband,the devoted father....who concedes himself only a couple of fetish likes on Ig accounts "because wife got all under control". I think she accepts more compromises for him then the other way around.

Nah she gives him some rope but not too much. She attends too many of these events to signal you trust your man. She lets him dabble in the kinky. Their over the top lovey dovey act not a good sigh.

Timmy committed sexual assault. #metoo

I think because she attends because that way she gets more IG views and likes.

I think she attends because* sorry ^

[quote]Nah she gives him some rope but not too much.

Hopefully he doesn’t tie her up with it!

Turns out he's not being sponsored. He just really loves those track suits.

He's such a man-child obsessed with a wife-mother, how typically heterosexual of him.

Taking care of your husband as if he's your third child sounds exhausting...

She's conceded defeat and bought another jumpsuit for her child. What may have caused this style rebellion in Armie?

r537 He has been hanging out with a lot of black people lately.....track suits, pseudo gang signs.

Why did she acquiesce? She should make him buy his own track suits. He’s too young to give up and accept comfort over style.

Because, like R528 has said, she spoils him rotten. No wonder he adores her, she's probably as subservient as can be despite what he implies to make it look like they're a feminist couple and very modern.

Why the hell are you buying track suits in Paris of all places anyway? You can't wait until you get back to the states for that underwhelming purchase?

You know when a toddler isn't getting enough sleep? That's Armie, tired and grumpy and bored demanding random stuff to try to feel better.

I find it so funny she answers her social media questions. Someone should tell her he looks tacky. They all seems to be having fun. 😃

Armie is kinda weird. Let him have his tracksuits...it will probably be a passing thing, and it makes him happy. That’s a mark of a good spouse, being indulgent when the other partner is having rough time.

That's true, R544

Armie is feeling rebellious because he has no chance to get an Oscar or any other award this year. He can finally let loose, being in a foreign country also helps.

R546 yes, his behavior in Europe is far cry from what it was when he in Sundance. Of course, the Oscar nominations had not been announced.

He's getting slightly messy, but so what? He doesn't have to suck up to anyone now.

Get your emotions out Armie, while you're among good friends and in a foreign land.

If they do a CMBYN sequel, he'll get a sympathy nomination since many commentators feel he was snubbed.

He might get a sympathy nomination next year for On the Basis of Sex.

Maybe the tracks suits work for the now furtive sex Armie is having with Timmy since Liz decided to become the "field trip" chaperone for this European press junket.

Armie's free balling and it's easy to slide those track suit pants down for a quick blow from Timmy in the back of the car, the men's room in between interviews, etc.

What a shame, if Liz wasn't around he could be stylishly dressed all day and then totally naked in Timmy's bed all night.

Maybe it' just me but does no one else find it odd that the Hammers would leave their 1 year old at home?

I wonder about their kids too, r551. Armie is on a work trip. I’m not sure why his wife had to accompany.

No child (no child), no rain (no rain), or Timmy's hole... will stop Liz from watching her Hus-uusss-band!!!

[quote]Armie is on a work trip. I’m not sure why his wife had to accompany.

Because Paris.

Don't think the future is something you can put off til tomorrow

R551 I'm sure they have a good nanny.

I think the Toronto Film Festival is the only Festival that Mrs. H didn't accompany her hubby to.

Why wasn't she present at the TFF?

R557 dunno. I remember at the time TC saying something about this was the first time that had seen each other in 9 months? Maybe Armie wanted some alone time with Timmy...or Luca...or both LMAO

R557 They had a fight (allegedly), and then Armie platonically cheated on her with Timmy since that was the real start of their sexless romance.

R558 I remember when Timmy said the 9 months thing, but I think he lied there because there were some pictures of them in NYC in October so...

R560 Toronto film festival was in September they had not seen each other since January for Sundance

R559 I do think Armie loves Timmy more than his wife...but platonically not sexually. I honestly think there are a lot of straight guys who are romantically attracted to men (meaning the relate better to men, they have stronger emotional connections to men) but are sexually attracted to women.

What? How can you be romantically attracted to someone but not in the sexual way? Romance leads to sex

I couldn't help but wonder...

R562 Without turning things into a big debate, some sociologists argue that our definition of romance has become too synonymous with sex and that romance and sex are independent acts. You can have sex with out romance and romance with out sex. There is an argument that we all have sexual orientation and romantic orientation. It's meant to explain why some people find themselves more comfortable and more open with people of a certain gender but have sex with the other. Like Bromances where a guy is actually closer to his best friend in terms of emotional intimacy and wanting to spend time together but sexually is attracted to his wife. I don't say I believe this but that's the argument.

R561 thanks for correcting me on that, wasn't so sure.....also, when did Timmy stay with the Hammers during the shoot of Beautiful Boy, was it between January and September?

R565 according to wiki it filmed in March 2017

Timmy stayed at the Hammer’s house during pre production. There’s a picture on Elizabeth’s Instagram with Timmy, Arnie and Nikki cooking pasta in the Hammer’s kitchen.

Pre-production would have likely been in Jan or February then.

So February? That means that they met again after January...

I don't think Timmy said January I think he just said it had been months since they'd last seen each other. Feb to Sept is many months

Ok, thanks for clearing the timeline for me!

Also the pictures with them in NYC around October, were before the Sundance premiere?

I said this before Armie wants to be Timmy. The French interview proved that for me. The Mrs Doesn't have to worry about Tim but her husband restlessness hence the horrible track suit.

R572 Sundance takes place in January and CMBYN debuted there in Jan. 2017.

R573 That's a very good observation. I do think Armie is in awe of Timmy and envious of his talent. I don't believe anything but good friendship happened between Armie and Timmy. Armie is straight, but Timmy well the jury is still out on that!

The picture mentioned in r567 was posted on January 31, 2017. It’s Armie cooking over a stove with Timmy and Niki on other side of him.

R574 ok, so the pictures from NYC were taken before the premiere.

Look whose in her element. If only her husband would dress the part

I wonder what the reaction would be if they did break up? His fans consider her to be just as famous as him at this point.....

Here's the timeline:

June 2016: Filming wrapped October 2016: A+T papped together in NYC January 2017: Sundance premiere February 2017: Berlinale February 2017: Timmy stays with the Hammers July 2017: Armie visits Timmy in NYC September 2017: TIFF

Timmy said he hadn't seen Armie for 8 months after filming, that was the part he lied about.

And Elizabeth didn't attend TIFF, NYFF or LFF.

Here's the timeline:

June 2016: Filming wrapped

October 2016: A+T papped together in NYC

January 2017: Sundance premiere

February 2017: Berlinale

February 2017: Timmy stays with the Hammers

July 2017: Armie visits Timmy in NYC

September 2017: TIFF

Timmy said he hadn't seen Armie for 8 months after filming, that was the part he lied about.

And Elizabeth didn't attend TIFF, NYFF or LFF.

His fans likes Elizabeth because she posts pictures of Timothee and acts as a liaison for the fans and Timothee and Armie. I don't recall so much focus on her prior Timothee hanging out with the Hammers.

Elizabeth and Armie had a tiff over TIFF... tee hee hee, tee hee hee, hee... I made a funny

R580 R581 Thank you so much and agree about the lie, he seems that he didn't want to draw attention to their friendship/ hang outs, which is cool either way lol

[quote] His fans consider her to be just as famous as him at this point.....

LOL

There's a blind item about Armie in Blind gossip.com

Link, you lazy whore

If only there was a link function, or a copy and paste function.

I found it:

What a crock of shit. He found out on the plane, he was happy and celebrating that night in Rome and was promoting first thing in the morning.

What a load of bullshit they didn't even try.

You gullible fool R586

Someone needs start Part 11

Uh....Part 13

The look from Armie to Timmy is not one of envy, it's from someone who wants to devour the other.

I'll start part 13, just give me a couple mins to find a good photo

New thread

Thank

You.

Kindly Armie fan

Armie and Timmy's sister eat Big Macs.