Call Me By Your Name has the posture of an 88 year old Jewish man (Part 17)

Part 16

Raise your hand if you’re going to buy the Blu Ray.

Not "queer". Bye, cunt.

He is a little different but maybe it's just that he is young and I am old.

What is that little rascal planning on OPs picture? The demise of his co-star Armie Hammer ?

I’ll wait for Netflix.

Looks like he’s doing a Montgomery Burns (The Simpsons) impression in that photo.

I'll buy the Blu-ray in a heartbeat.

I've already pre-ordered it.

that stupid cunt Christiane Amanpour interviewed them this evening and spilled some major spoilers. God I hate her. She's such a moron.

No, I HAVEN'T seen it yet, Christiane.

Armie and Timothée have both lost at the Critics Choice.

R10, what major spoilers? Nobody dies. The book and the film are not exactly plot-driven.

The phone call, it's still major if you haven't read the novel.

[quote][R10], what major spoilers? Nobody dies. The book and the film are not exactly plot-driven.

Gurl, you don't need a plot to spill spoilers.

I won't say what she said - but I AM PISSED.

He did seem kind of different.

[quote]Armie and Timothée have both lost at the Critics Choice.

Fuck! The movie has peaked and the nomination are just 10 days away.

Timmy better throw himself into some sort of news-something to keep himself viable.

He needs to come out as Bi or Gay so those Oscar voters can fall in love with him all over again. Armie is fucked though...unless he comes out as Bi though...

Timothée had the most bizarre hairdo on CNN. I don't know how to describe it.

R16, nude pics always help.

here it is

don't watch if you haven't seen the film

[quote]nude pics always help

No Tom, he's not a cheap slut like you err...would know.

This kid needs to be caught on tape saying something gay and then pretend like he was outed behind his back.... He would become the sentimental favorite because Oscar voters would feel sorry for the young lil gayling.

[QUOTE]He needs to come out as Bi or Gay so those Oscar voters can fall in love with him all over again

What planet are you living on where Oscar voters reward out gay men?

James Ivory won at Critics Choice by the way

[quote]James Ivory won at Critics Choice by the way

OMG! Yes, he is a deserving winner.

I'll riot if Ivory doesn't get his long overdue Oscar.

20-23 are the same unhinged, possibly paid by post, poster.

The use of the word “queer”. Wow. I love it. I LOVE it.

R25 is making up stuff again. I'm R21 and R22, but not R20 or R23

Yaaaassss! Ah, James Ivory. Richly deserved.

R16 voting closes tomorrow. I think they'll be fine. They've had a lot of visibility this week.

Your little bruised peach has a fan base of mostly teenage and under girls who live in an insulated world that is not conducive to learning about masculinity.

And that includes all of you.

R30 oh, we are proud! He ain't above giving lessons, not him. I heard him say so.

R30 you are hilarious!

Come....lay your head on my breast....it’s alright....shhh

I’d love to know how this 2nd rate Millennials flick with its insipid leads has generated so many threads. Are its trolls on meth?

dam i hope they win some more awards, specially armie.

most touching film of the year to me...

is the grammarian who doesnt like the word 'queer' the one who damns using the nickname 'frisco' ??

i adore the word queer, god dam we have earned it. !

oh, yay mr ivory for the win !!!

Their momentum ran out faster than a new Lady Gaga release.

[quote]I'll riot if Ivory doesn't get his long overdue Oscar.

And I'll join you - I truly hope we will be able to celebrate an Oscar win for the man who made a gay love story with a happy ending 30 years ago. If it's the only one this film gets (as I suspect), it will be all the sweeter.

Kudos on the thread title, OP.

It made me laugh.

Wait, we’re giving him a pass for that suit?

R19 I almost feel sorry for the 2 actors. I imagine they took 8 weeks filming this small movie in a nice location last year.

And I imagine they're spending 8 tedious weeks in awful hotel rooms with dumb journos plugging this small movie.

R33 Why don’t block this thread, and all CMBYN threads, if you’re so disgusted with them? Then you can go on to threads that interest you, untroubled by any mention of this movie..

It’s the mature thing to do, rather than whining like a little bitch.

[quote][R19] I almost feel sorry for the 2 actors. I imagine they took 8 weeks filming this small movie in a nice location last year. And I imagine they're spending 8 tedious weeks in awful hotel rooms with dumb journos plugging this small movie.

'Almost' - lol

I'm not sure how they feel about it. Maybe they're (almost) thrilled with all the attention and interest, and can't get enough of it.

What do y'all think?

I think there's plenty of gay and bi people that like it. It was made by gay people after all. Probably most of them like Europe though.

Oh my. The absolute HOTTEST of takes.

I love that a few of our eldergays have figured out how to use GIFs

One posts "Sure Jan" all the time, the other posts "GUUURRRLLLL" and R44 posts Lucille Bluth.

It makes DL seem so much more with it, almost like Reddit or Snapchat 😍😍😍

[quote] the other posts "GUUURRRLLLL"

he's an alcoholic/drug addict. be patient with him.

Or block him R46. Who has time for that?

Now, back to Elio and Oliver....

R39 why should you feel bad for them? The film has performed far beyond anyone's expectations and it's been nominated for prestigious awards and is a serious Oscar contender in a couple categories. Do younger people think nothing counts unless they win? Is this how you turn out after growing up in an era when everyone gets a gold star/trophy/medal?

R48 you should be surprised by this view. US society is very competitive, "Second place is the first loser" many people say...

And to tell you the truth, why settle for a nomination when you can win it all? Fuck that! CMBYN better win an Oscar or two

[quote]CMBYN better win an Oscar or two

Doubt it

The Oscars have nothing to do with merit, unfortunately.

R50 many people are predicting Adapted Screenplay for James Ivory. The man will be 90 this summer and has had 3 nominations (A ROOM WITH A VIEW, HOWARDS END, REMAINS OF THE DAY), the last one a quarter-century ago. So, he's considered due. Not to mention that the film has been well-received all around.

R50, it’s an odds-on favorite for Adapted Screenplay, but it’s a long shot for most everything else (although, Timmy will surely get a nomination and likely be the first runner-up in the BA category, unless he manages to pull an upset over Oldman).

What r52 said!

I want Armie to get nominated for BSA Oscars, for a whole host of illogical reasons: symmetry, seeing Armie and Timmy complete the awards season together, because a nomination will open new doors on Armie's career, etc.

But even he does get score the nomination, he won't win the prize.

At least there aren’t many more award shows/events to attend. I gather these are the remaining ones that would warrant their attendance:

Jan. 21: SAG Awards Feb. 5: Oscar Nominees Luncheon Feb. 18: BAFTAs Mar. 3: Independent Spirit Awards Mar. 4: Academy Awards

[quote]I want Armie to get nominated for BSA Oscars, for a whole host of illogical reasons: symmetry, seeing Armie and Timmy complete the awards season together, because a nomination will open new doors on Armie's career, etc.

Same. I don't expect him to win (no one does), but a nomination would be nice. Thereafter, he'd forever be "Academy Award Nominee Armie Hammer."

If they were female, a nomination for both would be in the bag (e.g., CAROL), and Chalamet would be the frontrunner to win, regardless of his young age (e.g. Jennifer Lawrence who was also 22 when she won against a veteran)..

[quote]Thereafter, he'd forever be "Academy Award Nominee Armie Hammer."

Music to my ears.

[quote][R50] many people are predicting Adapted Screenplay for James Ivory. The man will be 90 this summer and has had 3 nominations (A ROOM WITH A VIEW, HOWARDS END, REMAINS OF THE DAY), the last one a quarter-century ago. So, he's considered due. Not to mention that the film has been well-received all around.

Oh, I see. Yes. Makes sense. Let's hope.

R48 You're right. Awards aren't everything. But the way the directors, the actors esp Armie are desperately shilling for awards is pathetic. So happy James Ivory won Critics Choice. He's the only one genuine in this project. Luca, talented but creepy. Imo he's hiding is obsession with Timmy with going overboard with his Armie obsession. After all obsessing over Timmy would make him look suspicious.

What you’re saying about Luca makes no sense, r50. He wanted Armie for this film long before Chalamet was on his radar and has never been shy about mentioning his attraction to Hammer. Also, what you call shilling is probably part of their contract to promote the film.

I meant, r60.

That GIF is unintentionally hilarious R55

It looks like Hammer is on an elevator or something, slowly sinking down.

(And yes, I know what scene that is, it's just the way the GIF is cut)

[quote]Imo he's hiding is obsession with Timmy with going overboard with his Armie obsession. After all obsessing over Timmy would make him look suspicious.

His partner of 7 years resembles Armie in almost every way. Incidentally, 7 years ago was around the time Armie came to prominence thanks to THE SOCIAL NETWORK and Luca took great notice of him then. By his own admission, he became obsessed with Armie after watching TSN.

why is OP crossed out, like some troll?

Timothee was cast because his agent is the husband of one of the producers. So frankly, it's more likely Timothee got spit roasted by them than Luca had any particular fondness for him.

R65 It means enough people F&Fed the original post - just because they hate CMBYN threads (the OP of all CMBYN, Armie and Timothee threads all get the same treatment). However, I've also seen it said on another thread that people hiding a thread also counts as a F&F, so could be that too.

R65-- because one of the trolls (and there may be a few) are triggered by the word "QUEER" and this sets them off.

The TV show "Queer As Folk "sets them off even more.

It might also be a strong contender for best song with Mystery of Love and even Visions of Gideon.

I know Coco's Remember Me is very well beloved but so is This Is Me. They could cancel each other and MoL might be a close third that could make its way to the top.

It is not impossible.

I still think Thimothy Chalamet deserves the win, but we all know that traditionally, it goes to a more mature man. We'll see.

I know nothing about the politics of awards shows R68, but I was surprised that none of Stevens' songs were nominated at the Golden Globes. Since you seem to have your finger on it, any thoughts as to why?

Sadly the only thing that’s going to get Chalamet the win is if another of Oldman’s exes comes forward with her own abuse allegations or some other scandal...

when do Oscar noms announced?

Jan 23rd r71 voting closes today though

Two very dumb questions:

Why is Amanpour doing that interview? Doesn't she cover foreign affairs?

Will the movie be clearer/less grainy if you watch it on BluRay? It wasn't shot with HD cameras so it's not like the resolution will increase with the larger file size, right?

[QUOTE]It wasn't shot with HD cameras

It was shot on 35mm film, so they should be able to get a 4K version for Bluray, that is if Sony is willing to pay for a 4K transfer

R69, I do not know. I observe that the Golden Globes this year seem to have favored song from family oriented movies. Also, the two songs from CMBYN seem to have attracted attention only later, weeks after the noms back in December.

I'm not in contact at all with Oscars voters ! But I've noticed on different movie forums how many commenters have discovered with appreciation MoL and VoG once the film was more widely distributed. And their appreciation rivales with Remember Me and This Is Me.

They could make it but there are no guarantees. I can only hope.

R74 Yes, that's what I was thinking. Will they really shill out for the conversion? Also, wouldn't that go against the vision of the director and his cinematographer who both meticulously laboured for the film to look exactly the way they wanted?

No, they probably won't. And I don't see how it would go against their vision, it doesn't change anything in terms of content, just improves the clarity of the image.

R77 I remember Barry Jenkins commenting on Twitter something about the intentional tension between the grain and the focus in certain scenes. I imagine those subtleties could get lost in the transfer.

But I'd still like to see the individual leaves in those magnificent trees. I bet it would only add to the sensuousness of it all.

It won't change any of that. When they put the film together, and so making choices about grain and focus and so on, they were working with film. Film projects at a higher resolution than digital formats - in theory with a good quality print you could get an 8K digital version from 35mm film.

So the final print they were working with would've had a higher than 4k resolution - if anything, what you'd see in a 4k version would be closer to what Luca and Sayombhu Mukdeeprom saw when they assembled their masterprint. So it won't change any artistic choices they made.

Agreeing with r26: Some of the DL stalwarts seem offended that queer is an umbrella term, but the various humans under that umbrella have been our friends and allies down through the years -- and they're welcome in "our" little DL bitchfest any old time.

[quote]DL stalwarts seem offended that queer is an umbrella term, but the various humans under that umbrella have been our friends and allies down through the year

Should we include straight people under queer too? Straight women have been Gay men's best allies in the majority of our fights, especially in our fight with Aids in the 80s and 90s.

Having allies doesn't equal and shouldn't equal giving up your individuality. Gay,Lesbians, and Bisexuals should not have to give up their individuality for anyone. It is who they are. It is their right.

Using the word queer to avoid using the word gay speaks of self loathing. No one else is expecting other groups to call themselves something else to satisfy another group.

I'm with a few other posters. Although I'm Team Timmy, and know he'll get the Oscar nomination, I do want Armie to get a nomination too. He was so good in his role and seeing both boys nominated would be a wonderful adventure for them to close out this journey. I think Armie would be devastated if he's not nominated, or worse, if Michael Stahlburg is instead. Ouch.

Jan 23rd, we'll know how much the academy enjoyed CMBYN.

THank you fort he insights R75/T68

[quote]Why is Amanpour doing that interview? Doesn't she cover foreign affairs?

Obviously, she does other stuff as well.

She's SO overrated it's not true.

It won the Golden Tomato Award for Best Reviewed Limited Release Movie of 2017.

Small wins these days, and after such a strong start as well.

A strong start in what? Awards wins? Not really. Acclaim? It still has that.

Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri is likely going to win the Oscar but Call Me By Your Name will be regarded as the better film 10 years down the line. Any recognition is nice but it doesn't really mean anything in the scheme of things.

Luca is interviewed at Q on CBC. Great insights on CMBYN.

One of commenters laments that Luca will probably not win the Oscar. Another commenter replies (and this really does sum the Oscars up):

"Do not put your faith in such trinkets of deceit."

This film will not age well because of the creepiness factor around it. Yes it's beautifully shot and directed but cannot deny the relationship looks creepy and gives out the message to teens that it's okay to have affairs with older uncles and aunts if it's sexy enough and if it makes you cry enough. I can't stand Luca and his creepy face.

That’s your baggage R88. It’s a shame that your uncles touched you in your had place.

CMBYN will become a touchstone of cinema.

[QUOTE]touchstone

Was that really the best word to use, given the context of your post?!

[quote]gives out the message to teens that it's okay to have affairs with older uncles and aunts

WTF? Now detractors are adding incest to the pedo charges? None of those things is true in the movie.

There’s always a spurious pedo troll....always

Call Me By Your Name will age poorly like Manhattan.

Nope, it's a future classic.

Manhattan wouldn't have aged poorly if it wasn't for who directed it anyway.

Yep, I agree, it's a future classic.

I don't think Manhattan has aged poorly, R94 is right- public perception of Woody Allen has aged poorly. The film is still beautiful, funny and sweet, and Woody's character there has always been an asshole, selfish and immature.

Reliable sources say LOGO is already developing a new CMbYN inspired series “EliOliver”.

Gross ^^^

How should they cast R97? Although that’s clearly a joke.

Like the pedos before they were booted out, R80?

R88, you have nailed it.

Shills here are pushing gay men to see it multiple times to try to recoup their costs.

Creepy images with astoundingly poor timing.

Its already made a profit before going wide so apparently the timing was not poor enough.

This movie has not returned a profit r102.

Sony Pictures Classics paid over 6 million for the rights to it. They need it to make more money.

R103 To make a profit you need to make around double your budget. Its budget was $3.5mil and it has made $9mil worldwide.

You are only counting the cost of the production of the movie. That is not the only cost. It will take more for this movie to actually become profitable.

R105 Uh no, if I was only counting the cost of production I would have just said it needs to makes its budget back. Its common knowledge that for a movie to be profitable it needs to make around double its budget.

Anyway I told a lie, with this weeks box office added on it's made almost $10mil worldwide. Definitely made a profit by any barometer at this point.

Magnificent

I guess it’s already profitable for Luca and the producers since they sold for $6 million (and some % of box office, right?).

But with promotional costs, what will it need to make for it to become profitable for Sony? It’s at $8.8 million now and still had release dates in some additional markets later this month.

I’ve seen it several times here in NYC and each time the crowds have been bigger. Last night was sold out.

The Paris has extended the run all the way through end of March and it’s still at Union Square on multiple sceeens and BAM Rose as well.

[quote]Uh no, if I was only counting the cost of production I would have just said it needs to makes its budget back. Its common knowledge that for a movie to be profitable it needs to make around double its budget.

Studios don't keep 100% of the box office profits. That is where the rough-estimate of 2x the budget comes from.

They keep roughly half of box office receipts, so if you do 2x the budget it covers the cost of the production. That is where that saying comes from.

But again, you are only counting the cost of the production. I don't get why that is so complicated.

In order to break even a movie has to do X2.5 its budget (we are talking box office only) obviously selling their rights to cable, streaming services, merchandice, and DVD sales are another source of income.

If we are talking only about it's BO revenue, then CMBYN would have to do over 9 million dollars to break even. CMBYN has done extremely well (7million in under 200 theaters). I think the film will be making a 5-7 million profit after it ends its run at the box office.

The movie is doing more than fine, profits aren't in question.

Thanks R110

I can't see 108-112, is it the antisemitic shill or the pedo shill who is in a manic frenzy?

The posts at R108-R112 are perfectly reasonable.

Try unblocking them and see for yourself R113

My show last night was sold out by Thursday. Crowd skewed between 20s-50s. Even after the credits began, the theater was absolutely silent and no one was getting up to leave.

That was my audience's reaction as well. The movie really stays with you

Same thing at the showing I saw last night R115... nobody moved until the last credit rolled and Elio turns to face his mom.

Interesting to listen to crowd reaction... seems to be really picking up with the teen female audience who were giddy with their comments about Timothée (no surprise there) and how sweet they find the story.

Also lots of middle age to elderly women who made comments about how touching the entire film is. They seemed more fixated on Armie, however.

Granted this is NYC, maybe suburban women in more conservative markets would be turned off.

Same here. When in ended, the audience sat still and was completely silent

And we walked out in silence.

[quote]Try unblocking them and see for yourself [R113]

Interesting, I have R113 on ignored myself lol and the only ones I have on ignored is the pedo Finn Whatshisname Troll or the "Timmi-is-Straight" troll. Both quite disgusting and possibly dangerous

What possible level of delusion does someone need to be operating on to think that saying someone is straight - especially when the person publicly identifies that way - is "disgusting and possibly dangerous"?

I also have that poster on ignore r119.

Since we're talking about ignoring - does anyone else find that if you put someone on Ignore, anytime you click on a thread that person has posted in it just shows the start of the thread, rather than immediately jumping to the last read post?

Some posters here definitely want the film to fail. What a miserable life you must lead to waste so much energy on such things. Especially when its failure would impact more than just the main players. This is also why I don't understand people who root for certain Broadway shows to close. The 'stars' will be fine, but the gypsies et al. won't be.

They're probably disgruntled [italic]God's Own Country[/italic] fans.

There’s exactly ONE fan of God’s Own Country on DL, and he’s a mentally ill troll.

There should be a sequel to CMBYN where Timothee as an older Elio falls in love with a younger male. Who do you picture in the younger role?

Goddamn you ^^^

r127 That sequel will happen.

R128 I was cursing R126 because that statement is the perfect window to summon that aspie troll who keeps shoehorning this totally unrelated child actor into this thread.

Anyway, I am totally down with their being a continuation of CMBYN.

r129 I mentioned a sequel to CMBYN a couple of times in the thread about Timothee not this one. This is a thread about CMBYN. I think the sequel will be very exciting when it happens.

OP, you need to stop using anti-gay hate speech and stop NOW.

And we need to start supporting GAY movies, such as this one:

[quote] They're probably disgruntled God's Own Country fans.

Brushing off our concerns about restricted/limited access to gay-themed films is not being "disgruntled."

[quote] Not "queer". Bye, cunt.

That as much as anything is why I am sick of the hype over this overrated heteronormative POS.

Hi Matt! ^^^

Crazy pills wearing off? Go ahead and take today’s dose.

No one is interested in what you have to say, your opinions, or your life.

Start your own thread.

The word queer, at it is being used now, it's quite homophobic. But isn't the use of the word Queer on the opening post an inside joke to the homophobic review that would call this film queer in order to avoid using the word gay or gay fling altogether?

GOC has its own thread but nobody cares about that mediocre movie.

Im not trying to defend the use or not use of the word queer but is it accurate to say Call Me By Your Name is a "gay story" when at least one of the protagonists is bisexual and this is actually explored in Elio's relationships with Oliver and Marzia, and you could easily infer that Oliver and Elio's dad are also bisexual?

Elio’s dad for sure could be bisexual and as much as admits it during his heart-to-heart with Elio after Oliver has gone back to the USA.

Oliver’s dad is revealed to be a homophobe in the phone call at the end of the film and it’s implied this may be part of the reason Oliver feels compelled to marry and “conform”. Although others have also stated the quickly escalating AIDS crisis at the time could also have driven Oliver into the “safety” of the closet.

[QUOTE]is it accurate to say Call Me By Your Name is a "gay story"

Yes, because it focuses on the gay relationship. The straight relationships are just incidental to the main gay relationship.

That is unless you think the stuff Men.com puts out counts as bisexual porn because it has a woman moaning about her salad.

Also it’s revealed that Oliver was not actually having any heterosexual experiences that summer... he used Chiara as a way to make people suspect he might have slept with her and thus keep up the “movie star Americano” image he thought everyone expected of him. But when he an Elio are talking late at night in the garden he admits that all those nights he never came home he was actually spending hours alone sitting in the same garden thinking about Elio (not with Chiara as a Elio had originally thought).

As for Elio, I think he was bisexual in the sense of being a horny teenager who needed release and was exploring with the most readily available avenue, girls, until Oliver came into his world. Marzia was his longtime friend and so it probably felt very comfortable for him to lose his virginity to her. But the sex shown between them was portrayed almost as if Marzia was a blow up doll that Elio was just using... he cared for her but it wasn't with the same passion and sensuality as when he and Oliver finally consummate their attraction to one another. Based on his love for Oliver, combined with the very strong sexual attraction he felt for him as well, it would seem Elio was much further towards the Kinsey 4 or 5 end of the scale.

Caveat: my comments are all based on the film, haven’t read the book yet and know the story may vary in this regard.

Personally I think the book makes it pretty clear Elio was bisexual. He was very much sexually attached to Marzia and the day after sleeping with Oliver for the first time, he fucked her again. He loved her, he just wasn't in love with her. At one point he was sort of dating both at the same time. And later in the book Elio talks about having relationships with "people" whose gender is never specified.

It's interesting how the movie made it look like Elio was bisexual but was also only using Marzia as a distraction, thus explaining that he completely ghosted her when he and Oliver got together, and even as a way to make Oliver jealous somehow (in reference to the breakfast scene when he tells Oliver and his dad that he almost had sex with her). Just another occurence of Luca making the film more likeable to mainstream, straight viewers but I prefer how it was handled in the book.

[quote]Using the word queer to avoid using the word gay speaks of self loathing. No one else is expecting other groups to call themselves something else to satisfy another group.

Ok, so don't do that then. I'm both queer and gay, is that so hard?

^ For r81

The only one who could look younger would be in Jr High, R126. All you pervs have taken over DL just like the T have taken over gay organizations. Start your own board. The film was mis-cast and is, and should be, uncomfortable to look at. Your agenda of norming perving on kids is not welcome here.

Blah blah blah ^^^

mmmm sweet

[quote]The only one who could look younger would be in Jr High, [R126].

You're an idiot! That poster was obviously talking about Elio in the future, when he's much older.

As has already been said, if there is a sequel we already know what Luca plans for it, so this idea of Elio with a younger guy needs to fuck off. It's just someone here who wants the sequel to be a remake of the first film and it would suck.

In the sequel, it's 2018, and Elio has just finished off a pint of Ben & Jerry's washed down with some Crown Royal and is settling down to a night of trolling on DL, impersonating a straight frau.

Then, he dies of loneliness.

r149 It wouldn't be a remake because Elio would be older and facing the same situation he'd lived through. That doesn't mean everything would happen in the same way.

[quote]It wouldn't be a remake because Elio would be older and facing the same situation he'd lived through.

Kind of like when Patty Duke played Annie Sullivan many years later?

R142 Its been years since I read the novel so please correct me if I'm wrong but in the novel I think Elio and Marzia continued to have sex even after he and Oliver have started fucking. As for Elio's sexuality, I believe the novel, like the film, was fairly vague about it. Oliver is firmly established as being closeted, but I seem to remember that Elio is still single at the end of the novel when he and Oliver meet again 15 years later. He eludes to having other relationships but not referring to the gender of his lovers. I actually think for Elio, Oliver was his one great love and never really looked for a partner after that. To be honest the book was never really a truly gay story, rather it was about two men who fuck around and have a summer romance.

“No openly gay man has ever won the Oscar; I wonder if that is prejudice or chance,” he told The Guardian.

“How clever, how clever,” McKellen then said of Tom Hanks, Philip Seymour Hoffman and Sean Penn winning best actor Oscars for playing gay men. “What about giving me one for playing a straight man?” he asked.

It's a Great Year for Gayface at the Golden Globes

Lol at linking to The Advocate.

That old rag still has exists?

These actors delivered awards-worthy performances: Chalamet as a teenager experiencing first love and heartbreak, Hammer as his lover, and Stone as the tennis legend Billie Jean King, who helped topple the patriarchy in a match against chauvinist Bobby Riggs.

However, their nominations are also the latest in a decades-long tradition of straight actors portraying LGBT roles for awards bait. Over 50 straight (or closeted) actors have been nominated at the Academy Awards for queer performances — but an out actor has never won Hollywood's highest honor.

In November, Hammer received criticism from a BuzzFeed writer, who viewed his repeated casting in blockbusters and independent films as problematic and symptomatic of bias in Hollywood.

"No one gets second chances in Hollywood the way straight white men do," wrote Anne Helen Petersen. She pointed to the public relations move of "indie martyrdom," in which actors play role against type (straight actor playing gay, for example), as "what faltering stars do to restart their careers or the narratives about them."

Meanwhile, there is still an abysmal lack of LGBT representation in major motion pictures, reports GLAAD. And Hollywood has yet to overcome real perceptions of bias in its casting of out actors.

Fraus and the Chinese don’t want fags in their rom coms or action movies.

The ultimate rule of Hollywood: make money.

I'm beginning to suspect that all these anti-CMBYN/Hammer/Chalamet posts are by gay SWJs who are just incensed that actors who identity as straight are playing gay characters and being awarded/nominated for it. #OscarsSoStraight? Therefore, they'll go on ignore. I don't listen to extremists on either side. Too much black and white thinking!

No R162....it’s bitter old queen of all ages, not exclusively millennial SJWs.

R158 The reason gay actors are rarely cast in gay roles is because there is still a perception that they aren't really acting which is utterly ridiculous given that we never accuse straight actors of not acting when they play hetero roles.

R163 I didn't specify ages, just that they're likely gay SJWs. Those gay extremists HATE anything associated with straight people.

Right R158. It's frequently mentioned since Armie & Timothee need special appreciation since they are gay in real life. Why do you think Armie makes sure his wife is with him on all of his promotions front and center and Timmy mentions his girl crushes every chance he gets? There is a subtle theme that look inspite of being straight they play gay so well. If a gay actors plays straight, chances for which are rare, he will never get special pats on the back infact he might be ridiculed for it.

[quote]Those gay extremists HATE anything associated with straight people.

Homosexuality is illegal in 76 countries. But sure, it's gay people who are "extremists". Idiot.

R162 A shining example of black & white thinking. Seriously LMAO. Oh the irony!

R165 What girl crushes has Timmy mentioned? The only person I can remember him saying he had a crush on is Julie Andrews for goodness sake. And Elizabeth didn't attend TIFF, NYFF or LFF.

Sorry, that was for R166

R162 bs conspiracy theory

R169 I watched a video where Timmy said that he very excited for a particular girl in the audience at one of the CMBYN panels...and then he tipped over his chair, on stage .

That’s it as far of him mentioning girls.

However, after the Oscars, it would not surprise me to learn that Timmy was dating a girl. He just doesn’t ping for me. He’s a sensitive thoughtful straight guy.

[quote]Personally I think the book makes it pretty clear Elio was bisexual. He was very much sexually attached to Marzia and the day after sleeping with Oliver for the first time, he fucked her again. He loved her, he just wasn't in love with her. At one point he was sort of dating both at the same time. And later in the book Elio talks about having relationships with "people" whose gender is never specified.

Did he love her? I think he cared to an extent because of their long friendship, and he enjoyed fucking her. But he never took much care with her feelings - she seemed to be mostly another sexual outlet, something of an experiment, and a backup plan. He realizes in later years how poorly he treated her, but isn't all that busted up about it. I've said before that of the two, Elio is the more convincing as bisexual, while Oliver seems more likely to be a closeted gay man. Both are obviously able to function sexually with women - but neither seems to give the feelings of women the same weight as they do those of men, at least not within the body of the novel. Both use the women around them as props, and even as weapons against each other. It's a rather uncomfortable note in the book, that the film tried to clean up a bit.

[quote]It's interesting how the movie made it look like Elio was bisexual but was also only using Marzia as a distraction, thus explaining that he completely ghosted her when he and Oliver got together, and even as a way to make Oliver jealous somehow (in reference to the breakfast scene when he tells Oliver and his dad that he almost had sex with her). Just another occurence of Luca making the film more likeable to mainstream, straight viewers but I prefer how it was handled in the book.

Luca definitely cleaned up Elio in various ways, but I sort of get why he did it. He needed the audience to stay in sympathy with Elio, and watching him go back and forth from Oliver, whom he's madly in love with, to rather cavalierly dating/fucking Marzia, this sweet girl who doesn't know half of what's going on, all summer long, would very likely strain the sympathy of many viewers, gay or straight. Especially with Esther Garrel's very sympathetic portrayal of Marzia. In the book we're in his head, we know more about what he's thinking when he does these things. From the outside, it makes him look somewhat sketchy, despite Aciman's 'butchers and bakers are not in competition with each other' ethos.

(Plus, I can just imagine the freakouts about Elio having unprotected sex with a closeted/bi guy from NYC in 1983, and then turning around and having unprotected sex with a clueless teenage girl at the same time. Even Aciman completely ignores the implications in the novel, which takes place in the late 1980s, in the full throes of the AIDS crisis.)

[quote] As for Elio's sexuality, I believe the novel, like the film, was fairly vague about it. Oliver is firmly established as being closeted, but I seem to remember that Elio is still single at the end of the novel when he and Oliver meet again 15 years later. He eludes to having other relationships but not referring to the gender of his lovers. I actually think for Elio, Oliver was his one great love and never really looked for a partner after that. To be honest the book was never really a truly gay story, rather it was about two men who fuck around and have a summer romance.

Andre Aciman has repeatedly declared that he doesn't believe in the labeling of sexuality - thus the ambiguity of both Elio's and Oliver's. While I am of the opinion that Oliver was probably closeted rather than truly bisexual, there are certainly those who believe he was bi, and there is room for that interpretation in Aciman's ambiguity (though I wonder sometimes if Aciman fully grasps how closety Oliver comes off as - poor grammar, but you get my point). Elio mentions that there were various people who 'eclipsed' Oliver over the years, that he had other relationships that meant more, but TBH, I consider this part of his unreliable narration. The use of the word 'eclipsed' is interesting to me, because an eclipse is a temporary shadow or obstruction - and it always passes, and the sun or moon (or Oliver) is still there. I have no doubt that there were people with whom he had meaningful relationships that had more breadth to them that his brief one with Oliver - but he's not bothering to tell us the story of any of THOSE people, is he? Elio has sought to connect with others throughout his life, but at the end of the novel, he is seemingly alone, never married, no kids (hear that, Luca?). He HAS tried, but whatever relationships he's had haven't lasted, and he is still hoping for Oliver to call him by his name. And according to interviews with Andre Aciman - Oliver just might. We don't know.

I think the book establishes that Elio and Oliver were EACH OTHER'S great love, though neither truly understood that at the time they were actually involved (Oliver had more of a clue, however). It's only with the passing of time and the living of life that they truly realize what they had. And it's easy to say that Oliver meant more to Elio than the reverse, because again, we are in Elio's head. But Aciman gives us plenty of clues that Oliver held Elio just as close to his heart, maybe even closer - the 'cor cordium'/heart of hearts postcard on the wall of his office, 'I've never said anything truer to anyone', the breaking down crying when he and his family visit the Perlman villa nine years later as Elio tries to get him to do their name thing over the phone, the obsessive keeping track of Elio's life and career, etc etc. These are two men who are the love of each other's lives, and for whom the course of their lives over decades has been defined - for good or for ill - by that love, or the lack of it.

I am loving this in depth discussions of the book at R173 and R174.

Thank you!

A beautiful and astute examination of the undercurrents in Battle Of Piave Monument scene, where Elio states his true feelings for Oliver.

R173 and R174 fantastic analysis of the novel! I loved the movie but the novel is far more detailed in terms of establishing how deep Oliver and Elio's feeling for each other were. Part of the reason is that the novel is inside Elio's mind and the fact that the novel springs forward years later to show that even though they have not seen each other often, they remain deeply connected. As you said they were each other's great loves but failed to realize it that summer.

Like I said, I loved the movie but I personally don't want a sequel. I think the ideas Luca has branded about divert too far from the original ending of the novel and they would likely have Oliver and Elio resume their affair for at least part of the film and I don't like that idea.

R177 Luca has said he would want to use Timothee and Armie again in a sequel which means he won't stay true to the novel. The only real ideas he's given is that it would probably take place a few years after the last movie when Elio is in his mid-twenties. From what Luca has said, it appears the sequel has been green-lit and is tentatively scheduled for a 2020 release.

Wow R177 you really don't understand the novel. Wow.

Will this be like the "After Sunset" trilogy? I hope so.

Luca has says that he would love to do numerous sequels each covering another decade in Elio's and Oliver's lives. Doubt that will happen because of box office but it would be interesting.

I find Luca fascinating. Why doesn't anyone start a thread about him?

It would be interesting to see Oliver being with his wife and having a family while in love with Elio and Elio going from person to person and loving them but never as much as he loves Oliver but, realistically, I doubt a lot of the current fans would be interested in a move where their favorite characters /couple are not together and are involved with other people.

R183 Yes totally. They're not going to do a sequel with Timothee and Armie resuming their roles and not have them together at some point. I don't really care if they stay true to the novel as long as the story is good.

Paul Thomas Anderson's favorite films of 2017:

[bold]Call Me By Your Name[/bold]

City of Ghosts

Wonder Woman

The Post

Lost City of Z

Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Baby Driver

PTA has awful taste 😮

[quote] Paul Thomas Anderson's favorite films of 2017: Call Me By Your Name

That Timmy knew what he was doing.

luv when queers use the queer word.

its empowering.

to hell with the nanny police and their bullshit.

PTA and Timothee

Sorry I had to block the homophobe @ R188. There shouldn't be any reason why anyone should be embarrassed of being gay.

On a better note, Timothee appears to be enthusiastic of doing a sequel. It bodes well for future movies.

I also use and approve of the word Queer.....

whats your problem?

They say 'gay' if the guy can sing the entire score of GIGI. But a 6'3" 200 lbs. married man with kids, who likes to dress up like Dorothy Lamour, I think you're gonna have to go with 'queer.'

My neighbor is a big ole tuff biker man.

He uses the word "Queer" and if anyone bugs him about his grammar i know he would show them just how he sees it all....

Bi-erasure is real and so is Gay-erasure.

Thanks for posting that, r176. That was a really thorough scene dissection. I love that there's a sort of circular conversation taking place in that moment around a circular monument. They're saying so much, but still sort of dancing around the truth. I like that it happens in an otherwise expansive, airy and public space, which is kind of in contrast to the intrinsically private and clandestine nature of their relationship. I believe Luca mentioned the role of the piano music that sort of wafts in and out whenever Elio and Oliver are apart as an aural cue that punctuates the distance between them and the passing of time when they're not together. Luca makes everything appear very casual and languid, but I suspect there was a lot of underlying nuance that was mapped out for every scene.

Seeing this tonight as it's opening in an art theater in my city. Can't wait!

My post from the previous thread and two responses:

[Quote] The movie opens locally tomorrow, so I picked up a copy of the book. Then I read all the posts here. Given the hype, I thought I'd like the book more than I did. It seems to be more about power and obsession than it does about love. Even before learning that the author is apparently straight, I thought that the physical sections read more clinical than romantic. You top me, I top you. You lean over, I stick my finger in your butt.

I thought the most touching part was the final section, which is apparently not included the movie. During the couple's days in Rome, they finally seem to connect, particularly when Oliver takes care of the drunken Elio. The flash forward scenes to the present also seem more authentic than the those in the parts set in Italy.

From the posts above, it really seems as though Armie Hammer was miscast as Oliver. He certainly is beautiful, though.

—Anonymous

reply 568 01/11/2018

[R568] report back when you see the movie. I found it extraordinary powerful and moving. I’m reading the book for the first time, so we’ll see whether I agree with your assessments.

—Anonymous

reply 569 01/11/2018 Enjoy the film. It's lovely and you will enjoy it a whole lot more if you don't become stressed about the appearance of age or hung up on what the characters supposed ages are. The film definitely captures the spirit of the book, but doesn't supplant it and both exist in service of the other. It's a well executed and mostly faithful adaptation of the novel that is beautifully shot, paced and acted.

---- Well, I saw the movie yesterday, and even though I wasn't wild about the book, I liked the movie even less [spoiler alert if you haven't seen it]. The first hour of mind games between Elio and Oliver was dull to watch. The "love" scenes weren't particularly erotic or even romantic. I know it seems cool to trash Brokeback Mountain, but there, at least, the two actors seemed convincing. Here not so much. Although I liked the peach scene, the bonding after they connected was just a series of movie cliches - swimming in a lake, running through a field (really?), goodby at the station as the train pulls away, and the teary eyed finale, were all over the top.

I found no "creepiness factor" with the characters' ages. Elio smokes, drinks, and jerks off. He's hardly a child regardless of chronological age. I agree with those who say that Armie Hammer is totally miscast as Oliver, and not because of his age. Despite his good looks, he's not a very good actor. He's wooden in every scene. If you want to see real actors at work, go see Ladybird.

That didn't format the way I thought it would. Sorry. Everything above "----Well I saw the movie...." is from a previous thread.

I did not read the book and saw the film last night and the most shocking aspect was that Oliver turned out to be the ... bottom? What!

a pox on all who dismiss this best movie of the century.

VIVA LA AMOUR !!!

R197 I read in an interview with the director Luca G. that about 30 mins was cut from the film which included some more scenes of Elio and Oliver's trip to Rome.

I loved the film myself but I agree with some of the criticism. I found the build up to Elio and Oliver's romance was a bit lackluster and if you didn't know the plot you wouldn't suspect these two harbored an attraction for each other. In all honesty Armie Hammer looking much old than 24 didn't bother me at all but I hated the characterization of Oliver. He's a prick for most of the film and it's only when they are in Rome that I really began to like Oliver and then boom the film is over.

But overall it's a really good movie not the best movie ever but I think it pushes the boundaries of gay romance in mainstream american cinema.

[quote]I agree with those who say that Armie Hammer is totally miscast as Oliver, and not because of his age. Despite his good looks, he's not a very good actor. He's wooden in every scene.

One of Armie's favorite anecdotes is how he was afraid to take this role because he didn't think he was a good enough actor to give it the emotional intensity the story needs. I feel his instinct was correct...

I don't think Armie Hammer is a bad actor - a limited range actor, yes. I thought he did a good job as Oliver I'm sure there are other actors who would have been deeper with the role but it was a solid performance.

No question though that Hammer is outshone by Timothee Chalamet's powerhouse performance. I also have to throw out some love for Amira Casar who played Elio's mother. I thought she was brilliant in that role making the most out of a fairly limited part somewhat stereotypical part. She knows there is chemistry between Elio and Oliver from day one just from the way she looks at them, and watch her face when Elio and Oliver sit down to breakfast the morning after they had sex for the first time...mama knows.

I’m about half way through the book, and I see what Armie was aiming for with his characterization of Oliver. As Oliver becomes more relaxed and trusting, Armie’s voice changes and his hair becomes less manicured, his movements are more natural...

And then he spoils it in the not so good acting where he’s dancing to “Love My Way” with the goth girl underneath the church. I

R204 god yes Armie cannot dance to save his life but I have to admit I really do like his take on relaxed and happy Oliver.

[QUOTE]Oliver turned out to be the ... bottom?

You tedious fraus who have your weird notions about gay sex and how one must the top and the other the bottom need to fuck off back to Tumblr

Regarding Armie Hammer's age, I get the criticism that in the novel Oliver is only 24 but I don't Luca G. or James Ivory felt as they had to be bound by the novel so Oliver's age in the film is left vague.

Hammer was not the first actor to be considered for the role of Oliver. The film had been in development for a number of years before it went into active production. Shia LaBeouf was allegedly cast as Oliver and even did a reading of the screenplay in New York but the production company didn't want to work with LaBeouf citing his unpredictability on previous sets.

Both Luca and Hammer had wanted to work together and nearly got the chance to in Bigger Splash but for whatever reason it didn't pan out. When Luca became involved with CMBYN he approached Hammer but Hammer was reluctant due the original screenplay's full frontal nudity requirements and more explicit sex scenes. Luca was willing to have the script toned down in exchange for getting Armie on board. Meanwhile the production companies wanted a bigger name in the role of Oliver and allegedly Robert Pattinson and Chris Hemworth's agents were approached by nothing came of it.

R3 is a remarkably nellie little prisspot.

The stars who went gay for pay

[quote]Regarding Armie Hammer's age, I get the criticism that in the novel Oliver is only 24 but I don't Luca G. or James Ivory felt as they had to be bound by the novel so Oliver's age in the film is left vague.

Yeah, while the movie makes clear Elio is 17 they never mention an age for Oliver. Who knows how old movie-Oliver is supposed to be.

It didn’t break the top 10 despite going wide this weekend

[quote]Regarding Armie Hammer's age, I get the criticism that in the novel Oliver is only 24 but I don't Luca G. or James Ivory felt as they had to be bound by the novel so Oliver's age in the film is left vague.

In Ivory's script, it says Oliver is 25, so apparently Ivory & Co. meant for him to be slightly older than in the novel. No doubt they tried to fudge it just a touch to better match the reality of 29-year-old Armie, because it's certainly not helpful to make Oliver even older than Andre Aciman intended. The reason they don't mention his age onscreen is probably because a) Armie can't pass for 24/25, and b) they don't want to further confirm or remind anybody of the age difference between the two. They probably hoped people who might take issue with it would get caught up in the story and ignore it.

I like Armie's performance, I appreciate the great chemistry he and Timothee had - but there is no getting around the fact that the age (and even size) differential between the two actors has created an issue that didn't need to be there. Nobody should even be worrying about that, and instead there's been a ton of focus on it. I've been blowing off the people who have those objections for months as prisspots, and most of them are. As a reader of the book, I know that Andre Aciman did not intend for anything about their relationship to be construed as abusive or coercive - no grooming, no pedophilia. But I do feel now that I underestimated how much it genuinely troubles some people. And I wonder how great of an impact it's had on the film's awards chances, as it has been losing steam in that area.

They originally intended to make it a few years ago with Shia LaBoeuf as Oliver so that may account for the upping to 25.

The reality of CMBYN is that it’s makers are gay men from the baby boom generation or even older where teenage boy-adult man relationships were tolerated and the tide has very quickly turned against the sexual mores of that generation. They WANTED an adult looking Oliver and teenage looking Elio. Someone on these threads says that if they cast an actual 24 year old, it would just look like “two kids” - in a way that’s what the book is about, Oliver is at the end of boyhood finishing up his schooling. But the filmmakers opted not to make this choice because the ephebophilia quotient appeals to them.

I don't think the filmmakers were trying to emphasize the age difference… I think they simply wanted Timothée and Armie. They're both so beautiful and I think it was a great choice.

R214 agree. They were handpicked for the movie. Timmy at 17 bacause he's amazing and Armie later because Luca wanted to fuck him or the very least be near him in any project. They just really really wanted these two guys for the roles, and it just happened that they have very opposing physical appearances. But it worked in terms of chemistry. I can't imagine Armie giving this performance with any other actor. I think it was very much connected to Tim being Elio.

r213, Perhaps it's all a matter of perspective and the current eyes with which we're viewing it, but 24 year olds these days do look quite young and often appear to still be fresh out of adolescence. I don't know if people are aging less rapidly these days, but in the early 1980s, you could have a 25 year old look like Alec Baldwin did (see link for Alec circa 1983 at 25). Like Alec, Armie is just one of those guys that has probably always appeared older than his age, likely due to his height and deep voice. I think Armie as Oliver worked in this case because he was able to convey the studious and mature grad student who was trying to be polite and make a good impression on his mentor and host family, while also displaying some of the youthful exuberance that was necessary towards the end of the film as Oliver became more relaxed in the setting and grew closer to Elio. Visually, the height and size difference is what may make some sensitive moviegoers uneasy, but taken on its face, I don't think Armie was an implausible choice to play 25 for a role set in 1983.

Not all moviegoers nitpick like you R216. Most have an immediate visceral feedback to what they see on screen. Me and all my friends were uncomfortable with the relationship which we didn't feel was from a level playing field. We had a hard time believing that any parent would be ok with an older man messing around with their 17yo son. Btw anyone thinks this could make a beautiful tv series? There are so many details in the books which make the story poignant were missing from the movie. Agree R212 R213. The age difference seems more troublesome in the current "woke" environment. We are waking up to the fact how easy it is for an older/powerful person to manipulate and ruin a younger adult. The movie seems to sanction what is at the base should be a wrong relationship. They should've gone in the opposite direction imo. Make Elio a bit older like18 or 19 and a younder Oliver 21-24. That would've been an amazing romance devoid of unnecessary questionable motivations.

[quote]They should've gone in the opposite direction imo. Make Elio a bit older like 18 or 19

One of the inherent conflicts is that Elio is still a minor stuck at home, he still has highschool to finish. He isn't an adult that could just pack up and follow Oliver to New York.

R218 I agree and that's part of the emotional overtone of the film the fact that this is basically a doomed romance from day one.

The reason why Elio cannot join Oliver is more than just his age. Sure he's too young but so is Oliver. Neither are prepared to just up and follow the other for many more complex reasons not the least of which is that Oliver isn't as involved as Elio. The romance is doomed for reasons more than the mere distance between them.

I loved it I just don’t get the sore Armie had on his side. What was the point of having that in the story ? Vulnerability. Like Elio's nosebleeds.

I don't remember anything in the book about future students. When Oliver comes to visit at Christmas (he just calls in the movie), they all sit around and discuss who will be the next student, as it is a tradition that the previous student gets to give their input about the candidates, but we never learn anything further about who was chosen.

We do learn that the student before Oliver, named Pavel, was pushing a friend of his for the position the year before - but Mrs. Perlman didn't like Pavel, she felt he was anti-Semitic and refused to have anything to do with his choice. Oliver was apparently not really a standout among the choices, but somehow it came up that he is Jewish - and Elio upon seeing his photo is secretly attracted to him, and pushes strongly for him to be the one. As he tells Oliver, 'I made sure they picked you.'

{quote]It is kind of superfluous in hindsight, but it does show this lovely and compassionate side to Oliver from the very beginning.

I also felt that it's a touch of foreshadowing about his paternal instincts/desire to be a father.

yeah i think the book makes it quite clear that the "does mom know?" question is about elio and oliver. Yes, Elio's take on his father's answer makes it plain: "I don't think she does." His voice meant, "But even if she did, I am sure her attitude would be no different than mine."

I totally get why people who have only seen the movie think Elio is asking whether Mrs P knows about Mr. P's past, though, because they played up considerably both Mrs. P's awareness of Elio and Oliver in the film AND made both she and her husband a bit more cheerleaderish about the relationship than they are in the book - so it seems less likely that Elio could even question whether she knows.

Let’s get this straight Timmy deserves to win but he’s got other things going for him besides acting and being so gosh durn lovable I read that he has many connections and family members in the industry and he’s Jewish. From what I understand from that nice Mel Gibson there are more than one that works in Hollywood So there are gays ( but let’s be honest we can be petty and jealous) , women ( Lady Bird ), Jews, the hatful past of Oldman, and people with good taste. Hopefully this all will be working for us.

Sadly I felt the same about Heath when he was up for Brokeback Mountain. I don’t think the Jew hater is as beloved as Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Call Me By Your Name did poorly in its first weekend of wide release, coming in 21st place both in weekend gross and per theater average.

Who cares, it's already made a profit.

Yeah, it did do surprisingly poorly in wide-release. Expectations were in the 2.5-3 million range, and it came in at 1.5 million.

Expectations were NOT in that range my goodness. And if they were, people were being delusional.

Carol - an LGBT film with a more renowned director and bigger stars - made $12mil domestically. CMBYN has already made $9mil. It's fine.

[quote]Expectations were NOT in that range my goodness.

Yes, they were.

[quote]And if they were

And you immediately back-track.

R227 Show me where then.

It’s going to need some Oscar noms Tuesday to help push the wide release box office receipts. It was smart of SPC not to have released it wide earlier... for sure considering the subject matter it would have performed poorly in most “middle America” markets and already been long gone from those screens.

You could start by at looking the site the poster linked at r223.

[quote]Call Me By Your Name is expanding into 815 locations, which would lead us to expect a possible weekend around $2.5 million or as much as $4 million if it really catches fire.

R10, you would be lucky if you were even 1/16th as smart as Ms. Amanpour

CMBYN is just not a major player, its natural audience are the festival goers (already done that), people in bigger or more liberal cities (same) and Western Europe (in the making), basically.

They didn't make this film to make money. Obviously they wanted to make a profit and they've done so. SPC wont have been expecting much either, it's already the 27th highest domestically grossing film of theirs. They're not a big box office player.

It's doing fine for what it is.

It is an art film with gay themes and is performing like that, similar to Carol as mentioned above. Sony took a gamble that the long awards season would help it gather steam like Moonlight but unlike Moonlight it's not winning any major awards. Sony should have released it in June where it had less competition among art films and would coincide with LGBT awareness from Pride month.

I wonder if Luca regrets now his choice to keep the sexual aspect scrupulously tame, wouldn't it have performed just as well if it had been a bit more daring in that sense?

R235 Not with awards bodies.

[quote]Sony should have released it in June where it had less competition among art films and would coincide with LGBT awareness from Pride month.

No. It would’ve been totally lost and forgotten with a June release date. Even if it’s not winning award, it’s still getting nominated at every turn, something that raises the film’s profile considerably more than some “awareness” from Pride.

Totally agree R237... saw it last night at The Paris with a packed house of what looked to be a 90% heterosexual audience. Deeda Blair and Carolina Herrera sat next to me... no way would that have happened with an earlier realease date. It’s only because the film is coming onto non-LGBT viewer’s radar in the midst of awards season.

It broke the record for most nominations with the International Cinephile Society, with 11.

WTF is the ICS?

That's wonderful, r239. I'm surely living in a bubble, but it's amazing how much energy, enthusiasm and goodwill that's surrounding this film from viewers, critics, and self-proclaimed cinephiles alike, yet it doesn't seem to have much major awards traction. I wonder if the proverbial LGBT box was checked (along with a few others) with 'Moonlight' last year and therefore CMBYN just isn't considered a contender this time around when in most other years it would have been? I feel like people will be talking about this film much longer than they will be 'Three Billboards', 'The Shape of Water' or even 'Lady Bird' and in that way, it's very similar to its celluloid cousin 'Brokeback Mountain'.

I would love to see Chris Meloni as a 50 something Oliver in a sequel that dealt with their later life. But who would play the 40 something Elio?

For sure Chris would be down for some super hot gay sex scenes and full frontal!

Re. ICS, glad to see Amira Casar getting some love.

I would love to see Chris Meloni play the 50 something Oliver in a sequel that dealt with their later lives. For sure he would be up for some super hot gay love scenes and full frontal.

But who would play the 40 something Elio?

R240 They're a high brow critics group.

R241 Unfortunately awards bodies seem to be going for the basic choices this year, in both films and acting categories.

R243 Absolutely and so deserved.

[QUOTE]what looked to be a 90% heterosexual audience

What does that mean, exactly? So, you're someone who thinks people look either straight or gay, are you? A frau, by any chance?

So CMBYN under performed expectations this week taking in $1.5 million. Original estimates had it taking in $2.5 to $3 million.

Yes r247. See post r223, r225, r230.

This has been discussed on another thread but Sony Classics is a notoriously terrible distributor. Time and time again Sony Classic fails to build on the critical buzz surrounding their films by not wide releasing them fast enough. There was huge buzz surrounding CMBYN following its festival runs this summer but by waiting so long for the wide release, they allowed the buzz to die and the film to get lost in the mix of heavy award contenders. Several box office watchers on Twitter have stated that they should have limit released it in October and wide released it by November to maximize box office. That being said, it's SCP top earning film of 2017, the highest grossing since 2015 and by the end of its run will likely be their highest grossing film since Still Alice in 2013. This is why Sony Classic still seems interested in a sequel for 2020.

R246 LOL sorry that came off as “frau”. No I’m a gay male and have seen the movie several times over the past month here in NYC.

The first few times the crowd was overwhelmingly men... so I assume most were gay.

More recently, and including the screening I saw last night, it was male/female couples who appeared straight (I could be wrong of course), lots of teen/ college age girls, and middle to older age women... very few men walking in alone or with other men. That’s all.

There was nothing odd about what you said r250, some posters are just itching to start an argument.

Do the posters that mention the size difference between Elio and Oliver not know that Armie is barely 5 inches taller than Timmy? It just their builds that make Timmy seem much smaller.

^^^^ also a lot of it has to do with the angles with which Luca had Armie shot in the film. Mostly low and looking up which made Oliver look gigantic.

Armie is a very large guy, it contributes to making it feel at times like a man with a boy r522. Rather than just two young people.

r252 5 inches is still a lot... with men. You'll see plenty of movies where the size and age difference with straight couples is completely ignored. Armie in UNCLE for example, where he's paired with Alicia Vikander who's TINY. She looks even younger than Timmy did in CMBYN but since she's a woman the impact for the regular straight person watching the movie is not the same because they're used to looking at big men with tiny underweight women who are 20, 30 + years younger

Timmy made some cute comment about how his first thought when meeting Armie was “this guy is HUGE!”

Also the clothing chosen for Armie was pretty mature;you never see him in a tank top or with a more 80's oriented pop style look like any 24 yo would wear.

In 1983 plenty of 24 year olds were wearing POLO Ralph Lauren which constituted most of his wardrobe. Especially Ivy League 24 year olds.

To me the clothing choices show how Oliver, for all his outwardly appearing confidence, was an insecure conformist at heart.

Elio was more free and open with his funky wardrobe, Robert Mapplethorpe poster, and TalkingHeads t-shirts.

A talking heads t shirt on a teenager in 1983 is extremely conformist, you freaking dumbass.

R260 was the second half of your sentence really necessary? Why are people so needlessly nasty online?

Well, pointless bitchery...yadda, yadda, yadda

Being bitchy requires some cleverness. Every great bitch is funny.

People who have no wit think being a dumb cunt is the same thing.

R249 Ya the consensus on the box offices sites is that Sony Classics has screwed up yet another one of its releases. I did read that Sony was surprised by the high limited release box office and misread that as a sign of the films staying power rather than a sign to strike when the iron was hot. They should have wide released it before the screeners came out and were leaked. Now I think if CMBYN has been released by another company like Fox Searchlight or A24 it probably would end up with a $20 to $25 million domestic take rater than the $12 to $15 million it will take with Sony BUT honestly this was never going to be a power house box office film.

They should've released it in November when there was so much hype! Missed opportunity.

SPC’s big Oscar hopeful Call Me By Your Name had a big theater jump to 815 runs from 174 last weekend. The company also aired commercial spots in the lead-up to its nationwide near-wide expansion. Starring Timothée Chalamet and Armie Hammer, the title grossed $1,505,553, averaging $1,847, which puts it on the lower end of some of its competition with similar theater counts, though unlike the other contenders, it’s not entirely in English.

[quote]that stupid cunt Christiane Amanpour interviewed them this evening and spilled some major spoilers. God I hate her. She's such a moron.

Elio, a seventeen-year-old Jewish-American boy, lives in the Italian countryside with his parents. His father, a professor of archaeology, invites an American Jewish graduate student, Oliver, to live with his family during the summer of 1983 and help with his academic paperwork. Elio, an introspective bibliophile and musical prodigy, finds little in common with Oliver, whose carefree and exuberant personality contrasts with his own. Elio also resents vacating his bedroom for the duration of Oliver's stay. Elio spends much of the summer reading books and hanging out with his girlfriend, Marzia, while Oliver is attracted to one of the local girls, much to Elio's chagrin.

Elio and Oliver begin to spend time with each other, and a seductive courtship emerges—they swim together, go for long walks in the town, and accompany Elio's father on an archaeological trip. Although Elio begins a sexual relationship with Marzia and brags about it in front of Oliver to gauge his reaction, he increasingly finds himself attracted to Oliver. He sneaks into Oliver's room to smell his bathing suit and thinks about him while masturbating. During a trip to the post office, Elio subtly confesses his feelings to Oliver, who gently tells him that he should not act on them. When they go swimming one day, Elio kisses Oliver on the lips. Oliver returns the kiss but is reluctant to go further. The pair subsequently grow distant during the next few days.

In response to a note from Elio, Oliver leaves a note on Elio's desk telling Elio to meet him at midnight. Elio spends the day with Marzia, all the while longing to see Oliver. Finally, at midnight, he approaches Oliver on the patio. The two make love for the first time. During the next few days, they grow closer, having sex frequently while keeping their relationship secret. In bed, Oliver tells Elio, "Call me by your name and I'll call you by mine". They become more intimate both physically and emotionally. On one occasion, Elio ejaculates into a peach that he has split open, and when Oliver discovers it, he tries to take a bite of the peach in front of a humiliated Elio. Completely smitten with Oliver by this point, Elio starts avoiding Marzia.

With the end of Oliver's stay imminent, the couple find themselves overcome by uncertainty and longing. Elio's parents, conscious of the bond between the two, recommend they take a trip to Bergamo together before Oliver goes back to America. They spend three romantic days together, after which Oliver leaves, and a heartbroken Elio returns home. He encounters a sympathetic Marzia, who still wants to be his friend, and his father, seeing how forlorn his son is, tells him that he was aware of Elio's affair with Oliver. He confesses to having had his own love affair with a friend in his youth, and urges Elio to find pleasure in the grief, since true love of the kind Elio and Oliver shared is rare.

During Hanukkah, Elio receives a phone call from Oliver. Oliver tells Elio and his family that he is engaged to be married. After they hang up, a pained Elio sits by the fire. A parade of emotions crosses his face as his parents and the house staff prepare a holiday dinner.

Eat my ass, R10.

That's a lovely summary

That poster complaining about "spoilers" seemed so odd to me.

One, this is not a plot-heavy movie. It is more of just enjoying the ride.

Two, you are hanging out in a thread that freely "spoils" the story has been "spoiling" since the movie was announced.

R269 that and it's based on a novel so very easy to find out what the movie is about

As much as I would love to see the sequel made, does anyone feel like it will just be like two epilogues to the original story and not really stand on its own as an independent movie, like the "before" movies do.

I guess there's some meat to the 15 years later part in America, but the 5 years after that portion is really just a coda to the story.

R271 If there is a sequel as Luca G. plans on doing, it's very unlikely it'll follow the original coda of the novel. Luca has hinted he would stay true to the spirit of the novel but move in another direction one that would see Elio and Oliver reunite only a few years after the original film. The novel ending wouldn't work as a film because fans of the first film wouldn't want to spend 2 hours not seeing Elio or Oliver fuck again. It would be interesting if maybe the reunite after Elio finished college and Oliver is married with kids and Elio is with another man.

What this means....is more late 90s fashion. ^^^

LATE EIGHTIES fashion

(Duh)

R272 Elio won't be with another man, he'll be with Marzia...at least, that's what Luca said.

[quote]I wonder if Luca regrets now his choice to keep the sexual aspect scrupulously tame, wouldn't it have performed just as well if it had been a bit more daring in that sense?

I found it pretty daring, and I'm a jaded gay man. I can only imagine how much pearl clutching there'd be by the sheltered suburban fraus.

R275 He's said a lot of contradictory things about the sequel. It's obvious nothing is set in stone yet.

[quote]They should've released it in November when there was so much hype! Missed opportunity.

Agreed - at one point it seemed like every time you turned around online someone was asking when it would be coming to their town, they wanted to see it so much, etc. and the answer was always some ghastly length of time. The competition for people's attention is ferocious, don't give them the opportunity to forget your movie or put off seeing it until after its theatrical run. I live in a city of about 250,000 people, and it won't be here until next month. I've already seen it so I don't care, but that's just absurd. Last year all the big award contenders had reached here by Christmas.

[quote]Do the posters that mention the size difference between Elio and Oliver not know that Armie is barely 5 inches taller than Timmy? It just their builds that make Timmy seem much smaller.

I was one of the people who mentioned it, and yes, I know there's not a huge difference in their heights. But Armie is built like a Mack truck, and Timothee is slight in comparison. It's like a beagle with a German shepherd.

R277 what are contradictory things? So far he stated that he sees Elio with Marzia and a son in the far future...

R279 He's said he's started writing the script and it opens with an explicit Oliver scene. He's said he imagines a series of films focusing on Elio. He's said we may not see Elio and Oliver together until the last 20 minutes. He's said he hopes for explicit Elio/Oliver sex scenes.

These are all separate ideas that put in one film would be a mess. He said the whole thing about Marzia before he met up with Aciman in NYC to discuss plans for the sequel. People put too much weight on that one quote when he wasn't speaking in definites anyway.

R280 oh well, if the story is good, I’m game.

[quote]It's like a beagle with a German shepherd.

The breeds we decided on in the earlier threads were Italian Greyhound and Great Dane.

R280 Do you have a link to where he says he's started writing a script? I don't think there is any solid plans as yet to a sequel rather Luca is just throwing around ideas. You are right that in his interview with Vulture he did say that he touched base with Aciman about a sequel suggesting it wouldn't follow the novel's ending. All we know for sure is that it would take place a couple years after the original film and Oliver would be married and that's about it. Luca seems to be all over the place with Elio's character maybe he'd be fluid maybe he would be with Mariza, maybe he'd be with another man etc. Personally I hate the fluid idea mostly because I think it's just a way to try and make the film appeal to more mainstream audiences.

R283 [quote]He told the actors he's already working on the script for a sequel, one that would reveal more about Hammer's character. "It opens with a steamy scene with Oliver," he said. "And I'm not teasing, it's true."

Let’s hope the “steamy” scene involves a languid shot of a nude Oliver in a steamy shower. Then when he joins the wife in bed, he tells her, “Not tonight, dear, I have a headache.”

Or, it could be a bathhouse/sauna scene with Oliver hooking up with some guy. Though who knows if Luca would want to push that particular envelope...

R284 Thanks for posting this. I loved the movie but I'm on the fence about a sequel. I have to second what others have said can we cut it out with the fluid sexuality thing. Just make Elio gay and focus on Oliver and Elio without the need to throw in some hetero sex and tits.

R286 Hell no! It's gonna be Oliver fucking wife Dakota or the university director Tilda Swinton.

R287, in all seriousness, ever since Luca mentioned Oliver's steamy scene, I've figured it probably involves his wife. It would sort of set the whole hetero tone of the sequel...

R288 yeah...I'm conflicted about this scene because sex with his wife is the most banal choice, I'd rather see Elio exploring his sexuality with a woman. I trust Luca to creare again something strong.

Can we not have a gay love story that is actually that a gay love story ?! I'm so sick of so called gay movies filled with some love triangle between two guys and their fraus.

Luca just seems to be spitballing and grandstanding in the way that some people do when they've suddenly hit on something and everyone is treating them like a genius and they're pretty sure they're going to be found out at any moment.

Does he even have funding to make the new movie? That would be step one. And if he wants Chalamet and Hammer in it, it can't be that far into the future.

But I'd say the odds of an actual sequel being made are pretty slim.

Though the odds of a porn studio doing a takeoff called "Ball Me By Your Name" are pretty high.

I don't see why he wouldn't be able to get the funding for a sequel to his most successful film.

[quote]And if he wants Chalamet and Hammer in it, it can't be that far into the future.

Uh, why? They're (hopefully) not going to die. He said he was aiming for filming in 2020 anyway.

I also think Luca is just getting carried away, which can happen during promotion/awards, so I don't trust his intentions. He was probably nearly as affected by that experience as Armie and Timothée are/were, and I'm sure they'd be glad to shoot a sequel, but it's still hard work to put a movie together and most of the time, it just doesn't happen.

Besides, Suspiria will be out this year and he's also filming a new relatively high-profile movie, he wants to undertake interior design projects, etc. He won't be thinking of CMBYN in a long time, if ever again.

LOL. I meant that the sequel itself can't be set that far into the future from the original, R292. It would be a stretch for Hammer and Chalamet to be playing 50 year olds.

As for funding, sequels are tricky and far from a given. It's not as if they is a superhero movie.

^^It's not as if CMBYN was a superhero movie.

Luca is getting plenty of attention now in Italy. Before this movie he was actually booed in Venice and A Bigger Splash was a disaster. Only after the international success of ABS Italy started to give 2 shits about him. But now with cmbyn everything has changed for him so I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to get founds without spilling blood just like every top director here.

[quote]He won't be thinking of CMBYN in a long time, if ever again.

What!? This is his most successful film: financially, critically, in terms of awards attention. The idea that he wont be thinking about it again is ridiculous.

Thinking of CMBYN in terms of making a sequel.

Other than Suspiria, if I remember correctly, Luca has a movie with JLaw in it and I’m curious to see how these two will work together...honestly, JLaw doesn’t seem the indie type kind of actor.

The sequel has been brought up in almost every interview/Q&A Luca has done since he first mentioned it in like September. And every time he says he's not joking and he's serious. He says he's already stated on the script and asked Dakota Johnson to be in it and she has said yes. He's met with Aciman to discuss ideas.

So I sincerely doubt he's just gonna forget about it. He's going to try to make it happen.

R300 Dakota Johnson, I'm guessing she'd play Armie's wife?

Next up, Luca has a project called ‘Rio’ (2018?) with Jake Gyllenhaal and Benedict Cumberbatch and then he’s attached to ‘Swan Lake’ (2019?) with Felicity Jones. Who knows if either of those will happen?! Suspiria was supposed to come out last year, but was delayed until this year, so I’m sure the timelines of everything are subject to change.

My guess is if there is a sequel it won't happen for a number of years. Luca has indicated he would like it it film in 2020.

The other thing to remember is that if there's a sequel, James Ivory won't be attached. Luca fought him and lost to get partial credit for it so that collaboration is not likely to happen in the future.

[quote]Did you work closely with Luca during that time?

[quote]No, I didn't. I scarcely saw him during all that. He was making A Bigger Splash. At one point, I went to Italy and went to that island off Sicily where he was working because I made some huge cuts in the novel and I just wanted to talk a little before I went any further. But I couldn't. He was shooting a film and it was impossible.

R304 Which is why I don't want a sequel sorry but Luca is nowhere near the screenwriter that Ivory is.

Well yes Ivory is also 89 and barely works so even if they had got along very well he probably wouldn't have been a part of it.

[quote] My guess is if there is a sequel it won't happen for a number of years. Luca has indicated he would like it it film in 2020.

2020-2018 = 2

#MathAndGays=MortalEnemies

[quote]Well yes Ivory is also 89 and barely works

Did you read the article? He's working on a project, right now. Don't be so quick to put Ivory out to pasture. Anyway, I agree that without Ivory, it's a CMBYN sequel would be a bigger crapshoot.

Maybe I'm alone in this but I quite liked both I Am Love and A Bigger Splash, and Luca's script cuts/changes in CMBYN are for the better, MOSTLY.

This said, Ivory is of course a far superior writer.

R309 You're not,I agree with you but I actually liked A Bigger Splash a lot.

Let's hope we can see both Armie and Timmy in other movies too ( unrelated to CMBYN) directed by Luca.

Totally agree R254.... Armie is BUILT. He wears a sz15-16 shoe. His face is so quintessentially masculine, and square jawed, it enhances the perception that Tim is not yet fully developed too.

Armie isn't muscular. Infact he has thin noodly arms and legs. No square jaw either. He does have the height and beautiful eyes. The camera work made him look like a giant and Timmy like 5 feet or something. Giving the illusion that this was a man and a boy.

Hammer is normally quite beefy if not swole. His jaw is shaped like a cantaloupe.

[quote]Maybe I'm alone in this but I quite liked both I Am Love and A Bigger Splash, and Luca's script cuts/changes in CMBYN are for the better, MOSTLY.

I've seen the three movies and, well, if I had to compare, I'd say Ivory writes with such immense compassion for his characters and imbues them with tenderness and poignancy. Luca does the usual sin-and-retribution storytelling that you'd expect from someone raised in a very Catholic country. His movies are very sumptuously beautiful but his scripts never move me the way Ivory's do.

I'm sure Aciman would co-write anyway.

So any guesses on CMBYN's Oscar noms tomorrow:

Best actor and best adapted screenplay are shoe-ins

Best picture, best supporting actor and original song are all maybes.

Chalamet is 6'. He towers over his parents in CMBYN. But Hammer is 6'5", so it makes Chalamet look like s shrimp when it's just the two of them.

Best Picture is more than a maybe. Almost definite.

Again, no film since the extended lineup has made BAFTA + PGA and missed.

I definitely think it gets a Best Picture nod since the category can extend past five nominees. Timothee will undoubtedly be nominated and is likely the first runner-up in the category. I'm in the camp believes that Armie has a very good chance of being nominated, although that award seems predestined to go to Sam Rockwell. Adapted Screenplay is practically a sure thing for a win in the category according to all of the prognostications. 'Mystery of Love' should also be nominated for best song. I hope Sufjan performs it at the ceremony.

So I just got home from a special screening of Call Me at the Toronto Film Festival headquarters in which Call Me's author André Aciman took part in a Q&A. Long story short, yes there is a sequel in the works and he and Luca have just started working together on a story that would incorporate elements of the original ending of the novel but be it's own new entry. Basically he's approaching it as if he was writing the end of the novel now rather than when he wrote the novel.

Whoa....Aciman said that? Because I heard a quote from him that said he never wanted to continue the story beyond the original ending of the novel.

That's intriguing news, r321. I haven't followed too closely, but what are Andre's overall thoughts on the film? I know that he had a small role as one half of the gay couple that comes to visit the Perlmans, but did he go into greater depth about the process and his satisfaction with the end result? He must be thrilled to have had his novel adapted for the screen in such a beautiful and faithful manner and with brilliant performances to bring it all to life. Considering what could have become of it, he got very lucky.

R322 money talks?

I think this might be the talk? He talks about sequel(s) at 29:35.

Thank you so much, r325. That interview answers all my questions and so much more. What a charming man he is.

[quote]I also think Luca is just getting carried away, which can happen during promotion/awards, so I don't trust his intentions. He was probably nearly as affected by that experience as Armie and Timothée are/were, and I'm sure they'd be glad to shoot a sequel, but it's still hard work to put a movie together and most of the time, it just doesn't happen.

I keep thinking of an Irish movie called The Playboys from the early 1990s. Maybe nobody here remembers it, but it was something of a breakthrough for Robin Wright - her first time carrying a movie on her own, and it seemed to alert a lot of people that she could really act and wasn't just a girlfriend type. It did well critically and in its arthouse way, commercially. The filmmakers announced a sequel, wrote a script, talked it up everywhere, had the money in place and even discussed casting. Everyone involved seemed hyped, but...it never got made. I don't know why, although Robin Wright's personal and professional life seemed to lead her in another direction after The Playboys was released (baby with Sean Penn and then Forrest Gump). My point is, movie sequels fail to come together for any number of reasons all the time, even films that do well and have enthusiastic cast and crews who want to keep going. You just never know.

[quote]Basically he's approaching it as if he was writing the end of the novel now rather than when he wrote the novel.

I know a lot of people are heartened by the involvement of Aciman in the sequel, in whatever capacity, but I'm not thrilled, because it will actually affect how the novel can be read in the future, should the sequel get made. Aciman left things ambiguous, and depending on your own feelings, you can imagine whatever kind of future and ending you want for these characters. Maybe they get back together, maybe they don't, maybe any number of things happened in those 20 years, we fill in the blanks ourselves. With Aciman's participation in writing the script for Luca's movie and his imprimatur, that ambiguity is GONE - we will KNOW what he ultimately intended for the characters. Even if it's in a different medium, it basically serves as a sequel to the book too...which Aciman swore he would never write.

I've talked about this before on one of these threads, but the argument that is always made when fans of books complain about changes in film adaptations is that the film is the film, the book is the book, and nothing in the film can take anything away from the book. In this case, it actually can.

Thanks, R325, for the Aciman interview. Lovely, charming man. Now, I trust Luca with the sequel if Aciman's on board with it.

I'm too lazy to multi-quote individual posts but I just wanted to say this: CMBYN is not a gay movie. Also, Elio is not gay; maybe bi but definitely not gay. The Elio that Aciman created had only been flattered by male attention and a just tad bit curious before Oliver. However, Elio talks about wanting bedding just about any woman who shows him an ounce of kindness. Also, his relationship with Marzia doesn't end like the movie, it continues almost parallel to his and Oliver's (and probably after he leaves Italy).

Elio's obsession with Oliver begins before they ever meet. He becomes enamored with Oliver's photo sent with his application. The book almost implies that Oliver is the only guy that Elio has been romantically involved with since 20 years later he still wants Oliver to call him by Oliver's name. This is why I believe Elio is bisexual and Oliver is a gay man forced into heterosexuality by his homophobic parents and the impending AIDS crisis.

CMBYN is not a movie about two gay men but it's a gay movie because the focus is the relationship between two men. The same reason why Free Fall and so many other movies are considered gay movies even though the characters are not necessary gay.

R329 I interpret the story just like you. Besides when it comes to cmbyn unlike movies like Free Fall or BBM, it's impossible not to take into account the book. I can't make a distinction between the book and the movie,and everything that happens in the book I automatically "see" it in the movie as well.

Oscar noms are just a few mins away.

This is stressing me out way too much. What the fuck?

Let the robbery begin!

Fuck the Oscars lol

Armie snubbed. No surprise there.

YAY SUFJAN!!!!!!!!

Sufjan in.

Ivory as well!

[quote]Armie snubbed. No surprise there.

Poor Hammer, he will never admit it you but know he wanted that nomination.

YES! Timothée.

Best picture as well! YES!

YAY!!! Four nominations. Good enough.

4 nominations...1 oscar (maybe)

Poor Luca.

The movies needs every nom it can get to try and boost its lagging wide release box office!

Luca should be happy. His movie is nominated for Best Picture. Even more, he's helped a young actor start his career and be able to sit among veteran actors.

The movie will win the oscar for best adapted screenplay and that's it.

Stevens may win.

It's by far the best song nominated but Oscar voters might go with Blige

While I'm thrilled about CMBYN's Oscar nominations, it's clear the film has gotten lost in the mix a bit. For much of 2017, particularly when the film started hitting the festival circuit, it was expected the movie would sweep most of the major categories including Best Director (although Luca was always considered a wider shot because he's not really part of Hollywood movie making) and Best Supporting for both Armie Hammer and Michael Stuhlbarg. It seems like CMBYN lost a lot of it's critical buzz in what is a very crowded award year, but part of the blame has to go to Sony Classics for keeping the movie under the radar in terms of release and promotion too long.

Personally I think Stuhlbarg's failing to get nominated is the biggest snub since he's given amazing performances in three of the films nominated for Best Picture this year (The Shape of Water, The Post, and Call Me By Your Name).

R350 I think it's a bit of both. Sony Classics fucked up the release schedule and it did also get lost in the mix. I'm guessing Sony's idea was to wide release it the weekend of the Oscar nominations in hope that would maximize box office, but that likely won't be the case. They need to promote the fuck out of the film now that it has a best picture and best actor nod.

I wonder if the inevitability of this awards season winners is impacting the box office numbers? A moviegoer may think they only need to see ‘Three Billboards’, ‘Darkest Hour’, ‘The Shape of Water’, and ‘Lady Bird’ because those are where the lion’s share of the awards are going to go and have crossed the other films off their lists.

R352 Let's hope not! It would be such a pity, also Lady Bird had 5 nominations, CMBYN had 4 therefore the gap isn't remotely huge.

R350 Michael Stuhlbarg doesn't strike me as a nice guy though. He looks it, but that doesn't mean anything.

I've liked him since he play that weirdo alien in men in black 3

I think the vote split between Armie Hammer and Michael Stuhlbarg ended up being the reason neither one was nominated. I would have preferred Stuhlbarg over Hammer given he's the better actor. However the chemistry Armie built up with Timmy is one of the reasons I thought Armie could have been nominated.....I mean would anyone be surprised if we end up finding out that he and Timmy fucked around at some point.

There's an interview with Sony Classics Co-head Michael Barker talking about CMBYN's Oscar nominations ... deadline does take a shot at SPC for its slow releasing of the film.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg has given the film better publicity than Sony Classics

“Men, women, young people, old people, they send to my home – I don’t know how they have my address, but they have it – beautiful letters, in which they judge transformative the experience of watching this movie, as if it untangles in them some internal knots. Maybe because it is a movie about empathy, about compassion, about the transmission of knowledge, about the ability to see yourself in someone else’s gaze.”

— Luca Guadagnino on “Call Me By Your Name” and its fans.

Luca talks a bit about the sequel...

[quote]"I think Elio [Timothee Chalamet] will be a cinephile, and I'd like him to be in a movie theater watching Paul Vecchiali's Once More," a 1988 film about a man who falls in love with a man after he leaves his wife, which was the first French movie to deal with AIDS. "That," said Guadagnino, "could be the first scene [in the sequel]."

R360 NNNOOO I don't want an AIDS story line, that has been done to death...no pun intended.

Maybe it'll be only a minor, background theme but I suppose that it's difficult to avoid entirely if Elio is single but sexually active.

It doesn't need to be an "AIDS movie" but it would be wrong to ignore that the AIDS epidemic is a thing that is happening. I mean r361 is freakin out if there is a glimpse of a movie about AIDS.

Interestingly, according to Andre Aciman the novel takes place in the late 80s, probably around 88 so AIDS was already known by this time which is why it wasn't talked about in the book. Luca decided to set the film in 81.

1983 R364.

The movie takes place in 1983, the book was set in 1987.

The book was set in 1987, the movie was set in 1983.

And it’s made clear in the book that’s AIDS was known the characters.

So who do you think will have aids, Oliver or ELio? or both?

Neither.

You do R368

The book was set in 1987

Oliver will obviously get AIDS so Luca can give Armie another shot at an Oscar nomination.

[quote]It doesn't need to be an "AIDS movie" but it would be wrong to ignore that the AIDS epidemic is a thing that is happening.

It would be as profoundly dishonest to ignore the AIDS epidemic in a sequel set in the time period mentioned as it would be to make a film about black Americans in the 1960s that doesn't mention the civil rights struggle. It wiped out massive numbers of gay and bisexual men and profoundly shaped an entire generation of LGBT. It was a devastating plague. I get that people feel that AIDS has been done to death and don't want it intruding on their love story, but to ignore it is not an option. As it is, Luca totally did in the movie, which he was able to get away with because he set it on the cusp of the AIDS era, and Aciman's glancing reference to it in the novel was REALLY pushing it, since it's set in the late 1980s, Oliver is from NYC and there is no mention of condom use between him and Elio.

As for which of the characters would get AIDS - I doubt either leads would, but if I had to pick one, I'd say Oliver, since it is implied in the novel that Oliver has been doing men on the side in the last part of the book, when Elio goes to visit him at his university.

R373 Aciman said in a recent interview that he decided not to get into the AIDS crisis in the novel because he said he didn't want to be too realist. He want the world of Elio and Oliver to be self contained.

Interestingly he also has said that in an interview in Toronto recently, that originally Oliver was going to die at the end of the novel but his editor strongly advised against that ending.

R374 It was really goood advice!!

R374 I saw that interview too....he seemed to imply Oliver was going to die at the end of the summer of some kind of accident which makes me wonder if that was his original intention regarding Oliver's wound.

The movie opened in 15 cinemas in Rome and they also have the original version with subtitles running.

It's been released today in Spain, too and while my city is barely pop. 80000, it's in 2 out of 3 cinemas and both have sessions with subtitles instead of dubbing. Very happy that this is the case.

[quote]Oliver was going to die at the end of the summer of some kind of accident which makes me wonder if that was his original intention regarding Oliver's wound.

Oliver needs to die so the sin-and-redemption crowd can have their guilt-free experience and then maybe Armie will get a nod.

CMBYN got an Oscar boost earning $1.1 million dollars from Sunday to Thursday.

That peach got AIDS.

This makes me laugh every time I see it

r382 Are you a 16 year old fangirl perchance?

R382 what is the purpose of this?

It's yet another angle the pedos found to talk about this steaming pile of shit.

Is Out of Egypt, Aciman's memoir, worth purchasing? After CMBYN I read The Enigma Variations which I quite liked (some chapters better than others), Eight White Nights which was so-so and Harvard Square that I loved.

R386 Out of Egypt and CMBYN are considered by most Aciman's fans as his two best novels. I tired reading Enigma Variations but I found it to be a much duller version of CMBYN.

Thanks for the quick reviews,I actually wanted to buy Enigma Variation but I'll opt for the others now. Btw Aciman's books price have skyrocket....da fuck amazon...

Call Me By Your Name (SPC), 815 theaters (0)/ $344K (-19%) Fri/3-day: $1.2M (-15%)/Total: $11.2M/ Wk 10

Just back from seeing at The Paris in NYC. Packed house and as an extra bonus Jocelyn Wildenstein was in the audience. She cried at the end... or at least she attempted to, but her face won’t really allow it. Sounded more like a Pug with respiratory issues.

Me-Owwwwwch!

[quote]Is Out of Egypt, Aciman's memoir, worth purchasing?

I think so - his personal story is worth reading in and of itself, but is also interesting when considered along with the autobiographical details in his other writing, both fiction and non-fiction. I'm finding that I enjoy Aciman's non-fiction more than his novels/short stories, aside from CMBYN. None of his fiction comes close to that novel - looks like it was lightning in a bottle, though Enigma Variations will probably resonate most with anyone wanting to delve deeper into his fiction after reading CMBYN. Currently I'm reading False Papers, a collection of his essays and articles he's written for various publications. I'm enjoying it so far.

I think this was mentioned in an earlier thread, but what's the name of Luca's husband/partner?

R393 Ferdinando Cito Filomarino

Ugh! CMBYN only brought in $1.3 million this weekend. Sony Classics is asleep behind the wheel with this film.

R395 Disappointing. One thing that does impress me is that CMBYN has managed to bring in over $11 million mostly on word of mouth. The film has also made more money than Maudie and Lady in the Van, two films which Sony Classics promoted far more than CMBYN. I really wish A24 or another larger indie distributor had bought the rights to the film.

I hadn't seen these ones before. Honestly, I'm much more excited about whatever new and/or longer scenes there might be on the dvd than I am about a sequel. I'd much prefer Luca's 4 hour long director's cut than an unnecessary sequel.

Symbolism of water in Call Me By Your Name

This is excellent

Only skimmed that for now R398 but it seems to be a really good analysis.

I saw an interview recently where Armie said the waterfall isn't that strong in real life-- that they opened a dam just for a movie. Kind of a shame... it seemed stunningly beautiful in the movie.

Where is this talk coming from that Sony isn’t promoting it? I don’t watch much tv but I’ve seen a few ads for it.

[quote] Where is this talk coming from that Sony isn’t promoting it? I don’t watch much tv but I’ve seen a few ads for it.

From the fevered minds of crazy fangurls who need to find any justification why their precious Timothee, Armie and Luca's film is a flop.

$17mil on a $3.5mil budget (so far) is not a flop.

Go find someone to teach you the reality of film grosses vs. net profits. Not that it will make a dent in your fevered mind.

R400 partly what R401 says, but there have a number of box office analysts who have criticized SPC's handling of the film .

R403 I know the reality. That isn't a flop in anyone's reality except yours.

It isn't a flop of course. It did underperform in wide release though.

Just to fan the flames of the argument. The films budget was reported to be $3.5 million which was funded through numerous production companies, however, Sony Classics then bought the distribution rights to the film for $6 million after its Sundance debut. So with the that $6 million the production companies would have received their cut back (likely with interest).

Ignore the $3,5 million because In order for it to be considered a profit, Sony needs to re-coup its $6 million plus cover its advertising costs which were likely a few million dollars. Studios/distributors take in 45% of domestic box office and 40% of international. The rule is that at film must make double it's costs in the domestic alone in order to be considered a profit.

R407 Well it will have made $12mil domestic by next week.

The criticism is valid when it comes to the slow rollout. SPC should’ve pushed it out in the second tier major cities by mid December, the next tier in early January, and wide before Oscar noms. The leaked screener hurt them considerably and the screeners they went out were in plain white envelopes with no photos or nice sleeves- made it look generic and unimportant to voters.

Hopefully they’ll rectify this and get out nicely packaged Blu-rays before Oscar voting and really push Chalamet’s campaign, if they haven’t already written the movie off. Their other big contender, A Fantastic Woman, is probably going to win Foreign film with minimal promotion which means SPC should be working CMBYN *hard*.

Why would I go watch it in theaters when I can find it online for free? It’s been up for weeks in HD; no need to go out for it.

R410 What kind of question is that? To financially support a film that you like and want to see more of the same of?

This film skews towards the young gays and I saw so many people sharing links to the leaked screener on Twitter fwiw

R407 is close to 100% correct, though international takes more than 60% Studios usually see, on the average, about 25-33% of the box office gross.

One thing you've forgotten is the back end issue. Hammer, Ivory and Guadagnino all have generous back end deals, which was how the film got made for $3.5m. Their deals come right off the top before anyone else gets paid back. So lop off about 15-20% of at least the MAGR, if not the first gross dollars.

R413 I don't know about a cut of the box office, but you can bet everyone involved with production got a cut of the purchase of the rights by Sony Classics.

The leaked screener isn’t in HD. It’s a terrible transfer.

R415 but it was enough for people who wanted to see the movie but couldn't because of Sony's insanely slow release.

Off topic: what do you think about Timmy's new Beautiful Boy? Will he have another Oscar campaign for this movie?

Armie, Luca and Timmy are in Crema (where they shot the film) today as the final destination of their press tour for CMBYN.

R417 The fact that filming wrapped in May and there's still no release date suggests they'll be taking it to the Fall festivals in the hope of an awards push yes. It also has a good awards team behind it (Plan B, Amazon Studios). Of course if it's not very good then it wont matter.

This film had such an energy to it that I fear a sequel would just kill it. There can be too much of a good thing.

R419 fingers crossed then.

Sony Classics has announced today that CMBYN will be available on digital platforms on Feb 27 and DVD Blu-Ray March 13.

And it looks, r422, like we won't be getting any deleted scenes, nor a commentary track with Luca or Armie - only Timothee and Michael Stuhlbarg are mentioned.

Well, that sucks.

R423 according to people magazine the bluray will include: a documentary titled “Snapshots of Italy: The Making of Call Me By Your Name,” the release will include audio commentary with Chalamet and Michael Stuhlbarg, who plays his father in the film; another featurette titled “In Conversation with Armie Hammer, Timothée Chalamet and Luca Guadagnino”; as well as a music video for the Oscar-nominated song “The Mystery of Love” by Sufjan Stevens.

Very disappointed that there will be no deleted scenes. According to Luca there is something an hour of deleted footage.

No Luca commentary is disappointing.

It really did awful this weekend - 38th place by per theater average

The subject matter just doesn’t have widespread appeal

R427 which is why SPC is pulling it out of theaters and releasing the digital copy on Feb 27 and Blu-ray in march.

Agree, R427, and the casting that made it look like a Bryan Singer fantasy was the death knell. The timing could not have been worse either.

Oh shut up, it has nothing to do with the casting.

The casting did not help this movie. It really didn't.

A different Oliver and it could have avoided the "problematic" image problem.

The only way the casting impacted box office is that there's no stars and the most famous person isn't a household name. Otherwise this film is performing on par with other LGBT films of its kind. For instance, Carol (which had Cate Blanchett) made $12.7mil domestically. CMBYN will surpass this.

Something like Moonlight was able to do better because it did better with awards and had the black audience. Otherwise, CMBYN's box office is what they would have been expecting if it wasn't going to be a huge awards play.

38th place?

Well, I’d better see it one last time this week before it leaves the big screen.

R433 Yes I would recommend that if you want to see the film one last time before it leaves theaters to do it this weekend.

Uh, Lady Bird is at 37th place and is doing great. It's not exactly expected for films that have been out since October to have a great per-theater average at this point, especially when they're in over 800 theaters.

To compare Lady Bird and CMYBM is absurd. Lady Bird has been in wide release for a long time.

Lady Bird went wide November 17

Sure, I'm just saying that being in 38th place per theater average after being in theaters for months is not a bad thing. That's not the statistic to be looking at when analyzing CMBYN's box office.

[quote]being in 38th place per theater average after being in theaters for months is not a bad thing

This was CMBYM's second weekend in wide release. It is a bad thing.

Sigh, you're not getting my point.

I'm not. Because I don't think you have one.

CMBYM's per theater average should be higher, as it just opened in those theaters January 19th.

Movies get a lower per theater average the longer they are out in theaters. CMBYM is new to those theaters. I'm not even the poster who pointed out the per theater average, but I agree they were correct to do so.

I do have one, you're just not getting it. Never mind!

Lady Bird has much wider appeal than CMBYN.

Interesting that Phantom Thread, which not only got a bunch of surprise nominations but expanded to over a 1000 theaters in its second week of wide release, fell close to the same amount as CMBYN.

That shows they’re arthouse films, first and foremost. Yes SPC didn’t help with the slow rollout, but to think these kinds of films have mass appeal is wrong.

The movie is breathtaking. But I can't help but see that the story is problematic to begin with esp with all the sexual allegations and hyper awareness about sexual relations with younger people is being frowned upon. The casting enhanced the age difference even more making it even more problematic. I personally know lots of people who commented about the inappropriate man-boy relationship in the previews and refuse to see the movie.. Why couldn't they make it a relationship between a 17 & a 20 or a 21 year old. The power dynamics would've seemed less unbalanced. I know many young people don't think about these issues but most people over 30 and parents would have a hard time. I can totally see why it's suffering at the box office inspite of getting an Oscar nod.

In my anecdotal experience, Three out of three friends who say the movie made some comment or question about Armie Hmmer age, his character's age, or something along those lines.

People are kidding themselves if they think casting Hammer in that role didn't matter at all.

Please, anyone that wouldn't see this film because of the age difference wouldn't have seen it anyway.

As has been noted, this film is performing on track with other small LGBT films.

It will outgross Carol, outgross The Danish Girl etc.

The only major LGBT box office successes are Brokeback Mountain which was the first of its kind in many ways and The Imitation Game which wasn't at all marketed as being about a gay person.

Here's IndieWire's take on the issue

Yup.

[quote] The film was one of the most acclaimed specialized films of the year; boasted elevated festival attention, strong initial limited grosses; and won major critics’ group awards for its lead performer. It had its first wide release after the Oscar nominations. By the next weekend its gross stood at $10 million. That film was eventual Best Actress-winner “Room” from A24. The bleak drama went on to gross less than $15 million.

[quote]“Call Me” is pushing to break the ceiling for gay-themed awards contenders. Best Picture contender “The Kids Are Alright” with two major stars topped out at $20 million. The transgender “The Danish Girl” with Eddie Redmayne–released right after he won Best Actor — managed only $11 million. “Carol” starring Cate Blanchett and Rooney Mara, despite a huge Weinstein push, topped out at $12 million with no Oscar wins. Amid several $100-million hits, “Dallas Boys Club,” starring Best Actor Matthew McConaughy as a straight man with AIDs helping his fellow sufferers get drugs– managed $27 million. With A24 doing everything right, “Moonlight” won Best Picture but topped out at $27 million. The one exception — “The Imitation Game” — framed its portrait of a tortured gay man within an appealing ticking-clock anti-Nazi narrative, and scored $91-million domestic with only an Adapted Screenplay win.

[quote]Just a few years ago, Oscar contenders “Whiplash” and “Foxcatcher” grossed little more than “Call Me” has amassed so far. Both films went streaming early after nominations, likely earning them considerable additional money before moving on to cable and other showings.

[quote]So far Focus Features’ “Phantom Thread” has grossed about the same as “Call Me,” with a bigger name (Daniel Day-Lewis) in the lead, a director (Paul Thomas Anderson) with a major following, equal reviews and a slightly better nomination haul (six).

Really don't understand what more people were expecting.

"Please, anyone that wouldn't see this film because of the age difference wouldn't have seen it anyway."

That's simply not true. Plus it's not the age difference, which btw is only 7 years, that's bothersome, it's the fact that the kid is a minor in many places. What parents would be ok with their 17yo son having a summer fling with a 25 yo stranger right under their noses. The fact that it is filmed beautifully with beautiful acting doesn't mean we can or should whitewash this fact

R449 I think it is true. In fact I know of people that were bothered by the age difference at first glance but saw it anyway. People that want to see gay themed films will see them and form their own opinions.

Aciman based the parents on his own. So yes parents like that do exist. People can choose to be bothered by what they like. People can also choose to be unbothered. Most people that see this film are not bothered by the ages of the characters and that is a fact.

A European LGBT arthouse film with no stars in the cast and a director that the vast majority of people haven't heard of, of which at least 25% is in a foreign language making $15mil is FINE.

People overreact so much. Just because this film is the internet's baby doesn't mean it was ever destined to be a huge mainstream success.

It's made $17,707,634 worldwide so far according to the link below- TL;DR how much left to consider it profitable, approx.?

No one knows for sure but if it isn't already profitable, then I'd find it hard for people to argue that it isn't once it's at $15mil domestic/$25mil worldwide.

Carol made 40 mil worldwide.

Carol's budget was close to 12 millions, tho...

R454 And $12mil domestic. Carol also had 5x the budget of CMBYN.

On a lighter note, this is where they had the Q&A in London on Saturday.

[quote]#CallMeByYourName @CMBYNFilm is now @CurzonSoho's 4th most successful film on record (behind Remains Of The Day, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Sense And Sensibility).

The first time I watched the movie in a theater, it was Curzon Soho, early afternoon, friday, first week of december (it has been released the last week of october) and the room was almost full, it was surprising R457

Just further proof that the movie/studio did everything right to appeal to its target audience. Let's not forget it had the highest per-theater average of the year and something like the 25th highest of all time when it was in LA/NY. No one can be faulted that people outside of cosmopolitan areas aren't as interested in seeing a story like this.

You "problematic" holes are the problem.

Indiewire makes a number of good points in it's article but the biggest one is LGBT films are still niche market films not box office power houses.

I just want to see SPC campaign hard for this movie.

Not sure there's much point in them splashing out on a big campaign when they can easily win Adapted Screenplay without one and aren't likely to win anything else even if they really tried.

This movie was never going to be a huge hit. It has done as well as I expected tbh. Even if suddenly people stopped thinking gay romances are niche movies, it's still a slow paced artsy multilingual european film with no big names.

Has it opened in Asia and South America? Because it's probably going to do pretty well there.

Here are the foreign territories it has opened in.

I feel like this film was created for me personally and I don't care how many other people see it... It is ALL MINE and Armie and Timothée are perfect!

I'll bet neither of them says "tea" unless it's what they're drinking.

[quote]Ugh! CMBYN only brought in $1.3 million this weekend. Sony Classics is asleep behind the wheel with this film.

Wow, you pedos are a broke bunch, R395.

The indiewire article provides a balanced look at the box office for CMBYN and disproves both the idea that Sony Classics fucked up the movie's release and promotion and the notion that the film is a box office flop. The reality is the film did very well in its limited release in major city markets but is doing much lower business in the rest of America where the market for LGBT films is much smaller. Interesting that article indicates that Sony Classics likely made back most of its $6 million investment just from the selling on international distribution rights. As others have said, LGBT films are still a niche genre but when all is said and done, CMBYN will have higher domestic box office than many recent LGBT films like Carol or The Danish Girl.

That being said, I still feel that the film would have gotten a slightly higher box office return with a distributor like A24 over $20 million.

Y'all are so "glass half empty." It was made for peanuts and has done fine at the box office. It is an Academy Award Best Picture nominee and will win adapted screenplay. Mark my words, this film will be celebrated for years to come.

I just saw an ad for it on TV displays on our city buses (it opens in theatres today) here in my euro shitehole. Of course all four promotional stills were completely de-gayed. And you know what? I'm perfectly fine with that. If it means if it will stop homophobic remarks and make more money, I'm all for it. People don't really ask for refunds here so even the duped homophobes will have contributed to its overseas takings.

I've seen the screener four times but I'll go see it in the theatre a couple of weeks from now because watching it in a crowded theatre would just cringe me out. I just hope I don't get gay bashed on my way out.

[quote]I just hope I don't get gay bashed on my way out.

Where do you live that this might happen?

You can buy the DVD or BRD on March 23.

From reading the Indiewire article, it sounds like Sony Classics is more disappointed by the fewer than expected Oscar nominations more than the film's box office.

So am I, R473.

R473 that's because they are. The film performed above expectations in limited release but under performed expectations in wide release but it's still doing fine for SPC and is the highest grossing film they've put out in a couple years.

Was just browsing the trivia section for Call me by Your Name on IMDb and was surprised to learn that Luca had originally wanted Lucy for the role of Marzia... but Gary Morton talked her out of it.

Rivals have been critical about the performance of Sony Pictures Classics’ Call Me By Your Name, believing that the gay romance left major cash on the table, especially with the kudos it amassed in the fall with wins at the Gotham awards (Timothee Chalamet breakthrough actor, and best feature) and wins at the National Board of Review.

Rivals believe SPC went wide too late in the pic’s run (weekend 9 at 815 venues), hence why the four Oscar-nominated pic looks to only make $14M by March 4.

Compare this to Focus Features 2005 gay western Brokeback Mountain which amassed $83M during its entire run.

Yes everyone rushes to the cinema when they find out what won big at the Gotham awards!

And comparing it to BBM is so stupid. BBM was a huge deal, had a mountain of press because of how unprecedented it was, won basically all of the awards except for the Oscar, had two stars in the lead roles etc.

As has been noted, BBM is the exception and not the rule when it comes to LGBT films at the box office. Why anyone would expect CMBYN to come close to $80mil when Moonlight - which won Best Picture in an infamous way - only managed $27mil is beyond me.

BBM was a cultural phenomenon. CMBYN is nowhere near being that. It is an unfair comparison.

But, I'll repeat something I said earlier in the thread: there was a period of time about two months ago when the movie's momentum was powerful, the acclaim was piling up and lots of people online - on social media, in forums, in comments sections - were asking when the movie would open near them. The answer was almost always at least 1-2 months away. In the case of my mid-sized city, it's opening in Feb - long after I already saw it. People have the attention span of gnats these days, and they were given plenty of opportunity to forget about their desire to see this film in a theater. SPC squandered the film's heat with that slow wide release. There was more money to be made - maybe not an astronomical amount, but more.

The role of the screener leak cannot be diminished. Most of its young audience could download it before it even reached their city. It may not be the best quality, but it definitely can disincentivize from someone from paying to see it.

[quote]The role of the screener leak cannot be diminished. Most of its young audience could download it before it even reached their city. It may not be the best quality, but it definitely can disincentivize from someone from paying to see it.

Absolutely. I saw tweets where people would tell others where to download but couch it with, "support the film by seeing it when it comes out". Why ever would someone do that? Watch it for free immediately or wait months down the line and shell out money for it.

I live in L.A and saw it on the first evening of its release on Christmas. At the time it was only playing at two premium theaters. It's going to finally open at my local theater on the 23rd. The slow wide release roll-out was a mistake.

BBM was a cultural phenomenon.

R479 I agree. SPC could have at least broke $20 million at the domestic box office if they had wide released the film earlier. The film will be lucky to make $15 million now.

Can we talk about something else other than the (fine) box office?

I’m totally stoked that Sufjan Stevens got nominated for “Mystery Of Love” and, if God is good, he will get to perform at the Oscar’ ceremony.

CMBYN was my first introduction to Sufjan’s music, and I’ve been listening to his whole catalogue since the beginning of the year. He’s an amazing artist, hot, and also gay, though he guards his privacy zealously.

He's gay? IDNKT.

R485 is he [italic]gay [/italic] gay or [italic]Datalounge [/italic] gay?

View this video:

Gay lisp Likes to dance (he said his new album will be an “angry dance record” References Showgirls, Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber

Also:

He never been linked with a woman in 17 years of fame He sings a lot of songs about loving men, though it’s frequently couched in Christiany and mythology He is a complete queen in half of his interviews

Draw your own conclusions r487

Shit...forgot to double space my sentences. My apologies for tge difficult to read formatting.

He does not have a lisp. Not to say he isn't gay, but I hear no "th" in place of "s."

In your opinion, is that a gay voice?

I can't tell, R491, and I did listen to it all the way through. I wouldn't say he isn't gay, though. I know a young man who speaks with similar inflection. He's also a musician and a music teacher, and when he gets excited, it's hard for me to say unequivocally he's not gay. Same with Sufjan. (I didn't know it was pronounced SOO-fee-an', btw. Thanks for that.)

Gay or straight, he’s very talented and very cute!

I'd have sex with him. And let him sing to me before and after.

R492 your friend is a music teacher? 99% that’s he presenting hole to a day laborer as I write this.

Sufjan’s gay.

Because I want to believe it.

Timmy at 17, Elio’s age in the film. Would you tap that? Would Armie?!

I would go nowhere near that and neither would Armie.

Bet Timmy had a tight hole at 17

But not when I was done with it

[quote]Bet Timmy had a tight hole at 17

[quote]But not when I was done with it

Way to confirm that everyone here is a pedo fuck retard, R498. I knew I was right.

R499 you wrote R498... so why are you replying to yourself?

R499 I just gave you the response that you wished and hoped for in your tiny, greasy little heart....feel better now, pearl clutcher?

17 is legal in most of the world.

Why do we have to repeat the same things over and over and over

Because there’s one troll who posts about “pedos” over and over.....

[quote] I just gave you the response that you wished and hoped for in your tiny, greasy little heart....feel better now, pearl clutcher?

Yeah. You were just joking, right Pedo R498?

I’m not attracted to Timmy, for all his beauty R504

Your sons or nephews...I’d be into them. I’d make you watch while I made them a man. You’d like that, wouldn’t you?

This thread has degenerated...

This thread about the movie has taken a back seat for the threads of the stars of the movie

And the pedo troll is tiresome

I think most of the people who were seriously discussing the book and the movie are probably talked out for the moment. Plus the pedo trolls' insistence on shitting all over the thread (even though they have their own threads) is not very conducive to conversation.

André Aciman, about the possible sequel(s)

Yes these "two young men"

Except *cough* one of them was not so young...

24 is indeed young. And if you're going off Armie's age whilst he was filming, 29 is also young.

The film finally opened in my city and I went and saw it with some friends last night and I have to say I was surprised by how much I loved it. I found myself relating to Elio so much because it brought me back to being 17 and starting to figure myself out. I will buy into the argument that Armie Hammer looks to old for 24 and if they had wanted to be more authentic to the novel, they should have gone with a younger actor BUT I actually can't envision another actor playing Oliver now. As for the age thing, first off Elio is older than the age of consent in most developed countries and lets get real at 17 you know full well what you're doing. I was sexually active by 16 and at 18 I was fucking guys in their early 20s. I honestly think the claims that this is some pedo thing are just using that as a screen for homophobia. Also lets not forget Elio is an old soul wise beyond his years and it makes sense he would be attracted to an older guy.

Totally agree with you R512

And, based in R509’s video, it sounds like Andre Aciman is on board with the continuation of Elio and Oliver’s story. James Ivory is getting up there in years, so it’s good to know that Aciman will take over.

Call Me By Your Name is my favorite film of all time and I am so there to see these characters continue forward.

[quote]Your sons or nephews...I’d be into them. I’d make you watch while I made them a man. You’d like that, wouldn’t you?

Hey pedo R505, how long did it take for you to type that with one hand?

R514 I use both of hands to type that post, you sad cunt.

Your son kept gagging on my cock, even after I released my hands from the back of his head. You’ve raised a greedy little cocksucker. Your finest achievement.

[quote]I use both of hands to type that post, you sad cunt.

Pedo Liar. Every post of yours takes forever because you type with one hand while you touch your microdick with the other.

R513 Even if they do a sequel while Ivory is still around, he won't write it regardless because he's on record as saying he doesn't think there should be a sequel (link below). This probably stems from the fact that he and Luca reportedly had numerous creative disagreements (very gently hinted at in the interview). Ivory wasn't keen on Armie Hammer as Oliver while Luca refused to budge on that. Ivory also felt that Luca was trying to heterosexualize the film too much by making a number of changes to the script that removed some of the scenes between Oliver and Elio. Ivory was supposed to co-direct with Luca but close to production was basically fired saying (or pushed out). Also Luca wanted to be credited as co-writer for the screenplay as he made a number of changes to it before filming but because Ivory had written that vast majority of it, he demanded sole credit or he would file for an injunction to stop production through WGA.

One of the major scenes that was cut back was the sex scene between Oliver and Elio. In the film when they begin to have sex the camera pans to a tree outside the window and we just hear Elio moan "oliver" but in Ivory's script we would have seen Oliver top Elio (saying something like am I hurting you?) and then Oliver would cum on ELio's chest and rub his jizz all over Elio's body before Elio would cum on Oliver. There has been some rumors that the full sex scene was actually shot but edited down by Luca.

Being an author of books and being a script writer is not the same thing, just because Aciman is being a creative consultant does not mean he will write the script.

And James Ivory publicly shamed the actors for not wanting to go nude, it is the type of comment you make when you don't care about burning bridges.

R518 James Ivory didn't shame the actors this is what he said in an interview with Variety:

There are two American actors in “Call Me by Your Name.” Armie Hammer has said he was nervous about all the nudity that was originally in the script.

Certainly in my screenplay there was all sorts of nudity. But according to Luca, both actors had it in their contract that there would be no frontal nudity, and there isn’t, which I think is kind of a pity. Again, it’s just this American attitude. Nobody seems to care that much, or be shocked, about a totally naked woman. It’s the men. This is something that must be so deeply cultural that one should ask: “Why?”

He was not shaming the actors, rather just questions America's prudish attitude to male nudity. I agree with him on this. There was no issue with Ester Garrel getting her tits out in a movie about a gay romance but we get the quickest flash of Timmy and Armie's asses.

Yes that is the quote I am speaking of, he essentially is shaming them for being prudes when it comes to doing nudity. Made sure that everyone knew they had in their contract not to do it.

R520 He's not shaming them, he's shaming America's prudishness about male nudity.

James Ivory is a fucking legend who can do and say whatever he wants. He was showing gay men in love, naked, and with a happy ending when Luca was still in high school. And he wasn't shaming Armie or Timothee, he was lamenting the double standard and general American prudery towards male nudity in film. If Armie or Timothee feel shamed by what he said, that's on them.

[quote]Being an author of books and being a script writer is not the same thing, just because Aciman is being a creative consultant does not mean he will write the script.

This is absolutely true - being a novelist and a screenwriter are two very different skill sets and approaches. It doesn't follow that one will be good at one because one is good at the other. Most writers who sell the film rights to their work don't want to write the script, because they recognize that they are not screenwriters and their time is better spent writing their books, which they have much more control over. Regardless of how involved Aciman ends up being with the scriptwriting, I can't help rolling my eyes at some of the people who are claiming that everything will be okay with the sequel because Aciman won't 'let' Luca do anything too drastic or undesirable. Please. Aciman has no legal control over what Luca does with his characters - he sold the film rights. If Luca ALLOWS him some power, he'll have a voice. But it can always be ignored, or taken away.

[quote]In the film when they begin to have sex the camera pans to a tree outside the window and we just hear Elio moan "oliver" but in Ivory's script we would have seen Oliver top Elio (saying something like am I hurting you?) and then Oliver would cum on ELio's chest and rub his jizz all over Elio's body before Elio would cum on Oliver.

In other words, Ivory's script follows Aciman's novel much more closely.

R522 yeah, but Ivory's script ending was soooo different from the novel one and its whole meaning.

True, R523, I should have been more specific - I meant his script version of the 'midnight' scene was much closer to the novel.

Somewhere along the way in the development of this novel into a film, the decision was made not to deal with the flash forward aspects/'Ghost Spots' section of the book, and not to engage with the fact that Oliver and Elio's relationship has lifelong ramifications for both - but rather to present it as a sort of standalone summer romance/coming of age. Ivory's script ending is essentially the same as the film's, with a flourish here and there. But I don't think it was his decision alone to leave out the last section of the book. And really, it would have been very difficult to pull off middle-aged Oliver and Elio with these two actors. So there was a practical aspect to that choice as well. I've said before that to me, the last section of the book is everything - the whole point of the story. Without it, the film, as wonderful as it is, is not as profound as Aciman's novel, not complete. But I get why they changed it.

I would have loved Ben Whishaw to play Elio in the fast forward segment. Oliver could have been played by someone like Aaron Eckhart.

Luca is such a cunt for omitting it.

Well, I have faith in the sequel...let's see how Luca goes with it, it could turn out intriguing.

R512, you may have inadvertently quoted Woody Allen.

How long until we see the sequel?

Luca has said he would like to sequel to come out in 2020, but as always with Hollywood don't put stock in anything until they actually start production on it.

I personally think 2020 would be too soon...what do you think?

I think it would be a bit soon for Timmy. I doubt he'll look 25 in 2020. Just look at his sister, she's 26 and barely looks 20, it's in their genes.But if we wait too long, Armie will look like an old man so let's compromise.

If Timmy could grow decent facial hair, it would help to make him look older- and Elio ended up growing a beard, after all.

Does it really matter if Timmy looks 25? He will be 24. And I think the plan was to film 2020 and release the following year.

R533 Yes, I believe when Luca said 2020 he meant that would be when the film would go into production not be released. I know he's doing Rio with Jake G. this year and I thought he had something going on after that too?

I'm on the fence about a sequel as it's likely not going to be as good as the original. Some of the ideas Luca has thrown out there I'm not all that keen on like Oliver and Elio don't actually reunite on screen until the last 20 minutes of the film, or that Elio is back with Mariza. Can we have a gay love story where the lead is actually a bona fided gay man and that doesn't feature hetero sex and a woman showing her tits. I'm fine with Mariza being in the film but let her and Elio be best friends and Mariza happy with someone else.

[quote] Can we have a gay love story where the lead is actually a bona fided gay man and that doesn't feature hetero sex and a woman showing her tits.

There are plenty of gay stories like that, but that has never been "Call Me By Your Name". I mean CMBYM isn't a gay story, it is easy to argue that neither character is gay. It is written by a guy who isn't gay and doesn't "believe in labels", and the story reflects that.

That said, I agree with you. As I've said before there is no reason to put Elio with Maritza, it is just boring and been there.

[quote]I know he's doing Rio with Jake G. this year and I thought he had something going on after that too?

A Timmy-Jake-Armie love triangle. Now that would have me calling lots of names.

After "Rio", Luca has "Swan Lake" with Felicity Jones attached and "Burial Rites" with JLaw.

Don't think Jake could have the chemistry Armie and Timmy have.

If you haven't seen "God's Own Country" give it a watch r534, both characters are gay, no sex with women. It will check those boxes for you.

R535 I agree that CMBYN is a label free story and certainly when Elio is 17 and still figuring himself out, his fucking Maritza makes sense - although I think Elio was doing that in an effort to make Oliver jealous and probably thinking of Oliver the whole time. I think it would be a cool idea to show Elio as out and proud while Oliver is closeted and repressed looking at Elio as the life he wish he had.

Given all of Luca's upcoming projects, I don't see a sequel coming out for three to five years.

I can't remember in the novel does it say if Elio had other relationships with men after oliver...it's been ages since i read the book.

As far as I remember the novel doesn't specify the sex of his partners.

Yes, Aciman very purposely leaves it gender neutral.

So the film dropped 200+ theaters this weekend and drew in just over $1 million dollars bringing its domestic totals to just over $12.9 million. My guess is that it will be pulled from everywhere but the major city markets for next weekend. My guess is the film will leave theaters with about a $15milllion domestic when it's done it's run in March.

I don't know why they'd pull it from so many places next weekend, that's a decent number for the amount of theaters.

R545 It sounds drastic but when I say only playing major markets that's still about 300+ screens. The film continues to do well in major city markets but sadly is under performing in smaller more suburban areas. Distributors (in CMBYN's case Sony Classics) pay theater companies to run their movies so they are not going to pay to run the film in markets where it's not performing strong, nor are theaters going to run a film that isn't filling their seats. Also with the digital release coming up on Feb 27, the film is in the final few weeks of its run. It's sad to see that the film is not getting any Oscar boost in its box office.

I'm sure they'll add theaters again Oscar weekend.

R547 no they won't. Sony is releasing CMBYN on itunes and other digital platforms on Feb 27 to get a jump on the home video sales before the Oscars. This is a sign they know the film has peaked in terms of theater box office, so they're going to try and maximize the digital and dvd/blu ray sales.

R548 Doesn't matter, numerous films have done the same and still increased their theater count when getting that kind of exposure.

R548 is right R549. Sony put the film in wide release to correspond with the Oscar nominations it's not going to expand the film any more.

Just about theater counts, most distributors set their films in two week intervals which means next weeks theater count should remain mostly the same.

R550 I'm not saying it will expand more than now, I'm saying they'll decrease and then increase again.

R552 No the Oscar increase for all best picture films has already taken place there will be no increase in theater counts for CMBYN or any of the other best pictures. This is it, the film has peaked.

R553 Sigh.

Go look up previous Best Picture nominees then get back to me. They almost always add theaters on Oscar weekend.

R540 I agree with you I want Elio to be seen as like a queer activist or something.

I think a sequel is all but certain now but I think it would be better to wait longer like was done with the Before trilogy. It would be interesting to see Elio pushing 30 more established and self confident. Maybe with a partner living the life. We could say Oliver is likely mid-30s to 40 and perhaps having an early mid life crisis.

Sony Classics’ Call Me By Your Name, a Best Picture nominee, peaked last weekend with 815 theaters. Now in its 11th frame, the feature by Luca Guadagnino played 581 locations, grossing just over a million dollars, averaging $1,723, a bit of an uptick from last weekend’s $1,651 PTA. Call Me took in $1.34M the weekend prior and has cumed $12.94M.

Take this anecdotal info for what it's worth....

CMBYN was supposed to finally open in my mid-sized city this weekend, but it has now been delayed - the theater says the opening date is TBD. In the past all the awards season movies are usually here by mid-January, so CMBYN was already running late. What the thought process behind delaying it is, I don't know, but since the digital version will be available by the end of the month, that means they dragged their asses to the very end before opening it here, assuming it actually does open here. SMH at Sony....

If it's underperforming, maybe it's the theaters themselves making this decision R557 ? I don't know if it works this way.

R557 If it's a large chain theater company, it could be that the parent company for the theater has decided that the film will not perform well in your market and have decided to either stop showing the film or keep it in a market where it is doing better. If it's an independent or discount theater, it might be they haven't yet received a print of the film from its supplier.

Sony Classics is clearly cutting back on distribution and focusing on maximizing profits by getting the film out on digital platforms before the Oscars.

Getting back to James Ivory vs Luca, although Ivory has never said so directly the general impression I get is that he is not pleased with the final cut of the film. He has said things like he felt that the film might have been "straightened" and less sexual than he had written.

Having read the screenplay, the film is still mostly Ivory's work. There are a few changes Luca made most noticeably removing the narrator (in the original screenplay a narrator who is likely meant to be an older Elio is providing some insight into what is going on) and the film works much better without it. Also the scene order has been shifted around somewhat such as Elio playing Bach for Oliver on the piano. In Ivory's script that appears earlier.

Luca also made a number of cuts during the editing down of the film. I think he's said there is about 30 mins worth of scenes he cut from the film's edit. The most noticeable of those involve scenes with Elio's parents. In these scenes we learn that the Pearlman's are much more directly aware of what is going on between Elio and Oliver. For example, they over hear Oliver and Elio talking on the balcony and Annella comments on Oliver being "good for Elio." Another scene (which you can find a still from online) has the Pearlman's seeing Elio and Oliver playing footsies in the pool before Annella suggests Elio go with Oscar to Bergamo. Finally when Annella is driving Elio home from the train station, she says to him "give yourself time Elio."

I actually I agree with Luca's cuts because I think it's more powerful that it's implied that the Pearlmans know what is going on rather than explicitly showing us.

Oliver singing Love My Way when they were at the train station (the way Ivory wrote it) would have been really tacky, I'll always be thankful that they did it with no words - so much more painful, meaningful and real.

R560 I agree with Luca's cuts too. I think by cutting the scenes where Elio's parents openly discuss Elio and Oliver's relationship gives much more weight to both Amira Casar's and Michael Stuhlbarg's performances. It also works better in a film where so much is left unspoken but communicated through gestures and expressions.

R561 yes the singing would have been ridiculous. That scene is so powerful with nothing said until Elio gets on the phone with his mom and then breakdowns.

Yikes, that would have been awful, r561.

It’s choices like that that make me question Ivory’s judgement somewhat. I think Luca’s instincts regarding this adaptation have been mostly spot on. It seems like Amira had more to do in the story before the cuts, but she’s still very effective in this without the added exposition.

[quote]Oliver singing Love My Way when they were at the train station (the way Ivory wrote it) would have been really tacky

Yet, if he had hummed it, it might have seemed very realistic to me, as long as he was able to convey the fact that it was unconscious, unintentional. I often hum my subtext. "What'll I Do?" and "Long, Long Time" pop up involuntarily when I sense a parting of the ways building.

I like that their goodbye scene is very matter-of-fact (“Do you have your passport?”) and quiet. That’s how goodbyes are sometimes and it’s not until it’s over that the emotion hits you like a ton of bricks.

R563 Amira didn't have much more to do in the original screenplay really. What was cut were mostly scenes between her and Michael that dealt with them discussing Oliver and Elio's relationships more directly. I think cutting those scenes actually amplifies her performance because she communicated "I know what's going on here" with just glances.

Having seen the film more times than I care to admit, watch her face when Oliver comes down to breakfast the morning after he first arrives. She's clearly reading Elio and Oliver's interaction and is aware of the mutual attraction before they both do.

Even though they’re not necessary, I’d still love to see those scenes between Amira and Michael. It’s too bad that they aren’t included as deleted scenes on the upcoming blu-ray.

Also R566 the side eye she gives them the morning after they first had sex... “approving” side I might add! Love that scene.

They've been anticipating Elio's homohood for years now. And now it is moving past the incipient stage. Oh, to have had such parents.

Approving side eye... meant to write in R568

I wouldn't say that r569, more just that they could see he was in love with Oliver. It is easy to tell when someone has a crush.

As Luca has made clear, he doesn't see Elio as gay,so this isn't a "realizing he is gay story".

R566 I agree! Can I say how much I loved Amira Casar as Elio's mother. First off she actually looks a lot like Timmy, and she played what limited scenes she had with such warmth and subtly. Elio clearly idolizes his father, but he's totally a mama's boy.

R568 oh yes I loved that side eye! Another great piece of subtle acting she does is when she's driving Elio home from the train station, she runs her hands through his hair and immediately starts to ugly cry. If you watch her face instead of Timmy's, she takes a puff of her cigarette and you can see tears forming in her eyes and she steady's herself by clutching the steering wheel as she's clearly not going to allow herself to cry.

You watch your CMBYN, r571, and I will watch mine.

R571 I know what Luca has said but the scene in which Elio's dad says to him "you know you can talk to us about anything" at least suggests they are aware that Elio is not entirely straight.

Re: James Ivory and Luca...Luca's contributions to the screenplay do seem to largely consist of cuts rather than additions, and converting the verbal into the visual, which is probably why Ivory won his WGA case to be credited as the sole screenwriter - you have to prove that you wrote something like 30% of a screenplay in order to get a co-writing credit.

For the most part I agree that Luca's cuts work, although I also feel that in his quest to be less verbal and more cinematic, he ended up with some scenes and some characterization that are underwritten. An example would be the morning after scene with Oliver and Elio - I've been dismayed to see so many people online who don't have a clue what is going on with Elio there. If you've read the book, Andre Aciman makes it very clear that Elio is roiling inside with disgust, shame, internalized homophobia for having slept with a man, allowed a man to fuck him. There shouldn't be any ambiguity there, but apparently there is. If it had stuck closer to Ivory's script, it would have been a wordier scene, but there also would be no confusion.

Ivory is right about the film being less sexual than the script he wrote (and less so than Aciman's novel as well, which as its readers know is somewhat darker and more complex than the film). I know the reasons Luca has given for being less explicit in the midnight scene, and I get what he's saying - but that panning out the window right when things are getting heavier is such a visual echo of the countless films in which gay affection and/or sexuality has been treated as something to turn away from, something distasteful, that I can't help feeling that a concession to the comfort level of straights was also a factor in the choices made surrounding sex and nudity in the film. When you compare the easy, unfussy way sex and male nudity are handled in Maurice, you can see why Ivory would be frustrated by a film made 30 years later that is less nonchalant.

[quote]An example would be the morning after scene with Oliver and Elio - I've been dismayed to see so many people online who don't have a clue what is going on with Elio there. If you've read the book, Andre Aciman makes it very clear that Elio is roiling inside with disgust, shame, internalized homophobia for having slept with a man, allowed a man to fuck him

What page, R575?

The morning after scene was poorly done in the film, you aren't given any insight to what is going on. Both times I saw it with people they were confused there.

Elio's self-loathing after their first sex is 56% of the way through, I'm on the ebook so don't know the physical page number.

[quote]that I can't help feeling that a concession to the comfort level of straights was also a factor in the choices made surrounding sex and nudity in the film

For sure. God's Own Country had people walking out in Sundance from their (not crazy) sex scenes.

We can't pretend like a ton of audiences aren't comfortable with sex and nudity between two guys. Luca and studio knows that.

Luca wanted this movie to be his "break out hit", and he handled it accordingly.

R575 The morning after scene was, in my opinion, is the poorest executed part of the film. Thanks to Timmy's brilliant acting you can clearly see Elio is a conflict of emotion but it's really skimmed over largely because of cuts Luca made. Within two scenes Elio meets Oliver in town and everything is fine. In the book, things stay a bit awkward for a bit longer and indeed I believe that Elio goes out and has sex with Mariza again.

R578 This is completely the case. Allegedly they did film much of the sex scene as written in the script but yup it was cut for "comfort reasons." The only sort bits left in the film is the scene were Oliver wipes some cum off his chest with his shirt after they fuck.

That morning after scene was a bit befuddling. It’s like the narrative suddenly shifted to Oliver’s perspective and you felt his confusion, panic and inability to read Elio’s aloofness. More was definitely needed to clarify what was happening for those that might not have read the book.

Ok I'm not the only one who found the morning after scene felt bizarre. I thought during the scene when "Sonny and Cher" come to visit that they were trying to establish Elio's internalized homophobia which would pay off after he has sex with Oliver. But what we get is about one scene of awkwardness and then all is well. I believe in Ivory's screenplay there is still a bit of tension for some time afterwards including a scene where Oliver wants to go back to Elio's secret hideaway but Elio refuses.

What was cut from the morning after scene was after they wake up Oliver can see Elio's pain and asks him if he regrets what happened and Elio responds "maybe." Oliver feels rejected and then Elio realizing he's hurt Oliver says that "I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it." Then they go for a swim.

Everything else plays out the same until Elio follows Oliver into town. The scene in film is shortened a bit: After Oliver says he would hate to think he screwed Elio up and Elio says there won't be any trouble, Oliver says that he thinks Elio is treating this more as a game and though it should be fun, he feels like he's going to pay for what has happened that feels changed and that scares him.

When Oliver says "I'd kiss you if I could," there is a cut line in which Elio replies slyly "I want you to fuck me Elio" Oliver then leans into Elio's says Oliver seductively three times into Elio's ear.

R58 Thanks but how do you know all this?

Isn't "I want you to fuck me, Elio" in the book?

R583 I have a copy of the Ivory's screenplay that was posted but since taken down from the web.

R584 yes, I believe so.

CMBYN lasted about a week in my suburban Chicago AMC. It was one of the only theaters outside the city limits to carry it :(

[quote] What was cut from the morning after scene was after they wake up Oliver can see Elio's pain and asks him if he regrets what happened and Elio responds "maybe." Oliver feels rejected and then Elio realizing he's hurt Oliver says that "I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it." Then they go for a swim.

Specifically, what was cut from the script's morning after scene was Oliver saying to Elio upon waking and noticing his emotions (and possible physical discomfort), 'You're not happy. You're feeling sick about it, aren't you?'. Elio shrugs, and then Oliver says, 'I knew we shouldn't have. I knew it. We should have talked.' To which Elio replies, 'Maybe'. Oliver, stung by that 'maybe', asks, 'Did you hate it?' and Elio replies that he didn't hate it at all, but his body language is as depicted in the film - he wants to get the hell away from Oliver. It's just a few lines, but I think it would have made a huge difference in a scene that is apparently confusing for a lot of people. And it's pretty much straight from the book. Some of Armie Hammer's best work in the film is in those facial expressions in the morning after scene, but Luca sacrificed clarity in his choice to make the scene mostly silent and visual, rather than keep more of the words.

The one scene that I wish wasn't cut from the film was one that takes place by the pool right after Mariza comes asks Elio "am I not your girl?" Basically Elio laments to Oliver the he feels bad about how he treated her. Oliver expresses his worry about going back to studying at Columbia. The play footsies as they talk unaware that Elio's parents are watching them.

I finally saw the film over the weekend and overall I really enjoyed it! It deserves all the critical raves it has been getting.

My one little issue with the film is Armie Hammer. I thought he was great in the role and this is clearly the best performance of his career to date, but I agree with the criticism that he looks way too old to play Oliver. Oliver is supposed to be 24/25, in the film Armie actually looked like he was well into 30s. The problem with that for me was it made Oliver's vulnerability harder for me to believe. I do think the people allegations that the film is really about pedophilia is just thinly veiled homophobia or people, but I have to admit at the point when Oliver said "I'm glad we slept together" it made me feel a bit creepy if I'm being honest.

Crap, Call Me By Your Name's actual are in and the film only made $885,000 this weekend :S

Here is the Ivory screenplay.

Here’s Timothée, Laura Dern, and Meryl at the Oscar Luncheon yesterday. It’s kinda sweet that Meryl has taken Timmy under her wing and appears to be campaigning for him. McDormand too, as she supposedly really dislikes Oldman. Wonder if Meryl doesn’t care for him either.

R593 he's not going to win but he damn well deserves to.

So his chances are better at winning the BA Oscar?

Who should be in the sequel with Timmy?

Armie Hammer, r596.

re: "fuck me, Elio," on p. 144 of the paperback book, Elio comes up behind Oliver:

"I came up to his ear just as he was about to enter the post office, and whispered "fuck me, Elio."

So that's Elio calling Oliver by his (Elio's) name. Was Oliver ever actually the one to say "fuck me, Elio"? You know Armie wanted Timmy's full insertion.

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R598 no in the novel it's clearly defined that Oliver was the top and Elio the bottom. In Ivory's script it was also clear Elio was the bottom, Luca's cut make's it more ambiguous.