Israel Under Attack From Land And Air - State Of War Declared, Part 3

Remember, there’s no such thing as cancel culture.

The law student (non binary) who issued a statement of support for Hamas has been fired from the law firm she/they were working at.

Ryna Workman? More like Ryna Dontworkman.

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“Israeli soldiers have revealed”

lol R2

Hamas supporting airline pilot suspended from flying.

Actions have consequences.

Even the commenters on the Daily Maul don't believe this.

lol r3 quibbling over the finer points of this lol

No doubt R2 argues over the Holocaust as well

‘But the photographs of the chimneys show it couldn’t have burned all those bodies’

Some of the pictures of last weekend's pogrom remind me of this. The centuries change but the anti-semites and their apologists are faithfully on duty.

I wonder what has happened to the girl in the red coat

The Israelis I've spoken to are not teeming with blood lust. They're devastated, particularly because they were in sympathy with the peace movement and hated Netanyahu. They would like time to mourn. Hamas could give it to them by releasing the hostages. It would also help Hamas in the court of public opinion, which now sees them as ISIS II.

I think the pro-Palestinian lobby that has indoctrinated so many students and progressives is chagrinned to see its narrative falling apart. '

R10 didn't speak to anybody.

I don’t know how fucking stupid you could be to draw comparisons between the treatment of the Jewish people by the Nazis pre holocaust, and the current situation in Israel, when the entire irony of the situation is that they have been treating the Palestinians for the last 20 years just like they were treated by the Nazis in Germany in the lead up to the holocaust.

I think Hamas misread the room.

Violence begats violence.

"they have been treating the Palestinians for the last 20 years just like they were treated by the Nazis in Germany"

Palestine population 2003 - 3.155 million

Palestine population 2023 - 5 million

Jews in WW2 - (6,000,000)

Also, where are the ovens, dear? Oh, there are none? Maybe you need to go play on Stormfront or whatever website you frequent, R12

Do I have to say it again? You can't argue with a gay Islamapologist. It is a mental disorder.

R15 why cut what I said short. I specifically set a timeline of up until the start of the holocaust. If you’re gonna be disingenuous don’t bother.

In the comparison of the Nazis and the Jews with the Palestinians and the Jews, the Jews are still the Jews and the Palestinians are the new Nazis, period.

Don't run from your point, r17. You are on the side of the people who burned Jews in the dumpster over the weekend. The linked image is graphic, so be careful others. It's probably also R17's screensaver.

[quote] Palestinians are the new Nazis, period.

Oh yes….because they have so much political power and one of the highest funded armies in the world…..oh wait.

R12, it was a massive pogrom. Hamas' intention was to terrorize and kill as many Jewish civilians as possible.

I am against the violence committed by Hamas over the last few days. But I empathetic to the Palestinian cause.

And I could be as braindead as you are and accuse you of being on the side of those that have committed decades long apartheid and war crimes against the Palestinians and generally be supportive of those acts. But that’s not helpful. You’re not being helpful.

R21 it is still not a good or useful comparison. The political context in terms of who holds power is upside down.

I agree with you, r22. There has to be a solution for the millions of stateless Palestinians.

I don't know what the solution is.

But I know it's not Hamas's slaughter of the Jews.

They are keeping the blondes (if they're hot) and killing the rest, R9. Audio of them bragging of it is on Twitter. They are animals.

R24 yes and neither is a continuance of the situation in state of Israel’s slaughter of Palestinians.

I see Julius Streicher is still with us at r26.

A little over 7 million Jews in Israel live with - and are surrounded by - hundreds of millions of Muslims who are dedicated to destroying them.

Where is the power? With the hundreds of millions.

Where are the ovens where the Jews have sent the Palestinians? They don't exist.

R27 I wasn’t invoking the holocaust, I explicitly disincluded it from my comparison. Idk why we have to go back and forth on that. You seem determined to cynically invoke it and lie about my doubt so, nice.

We’re talking about the Palestine / Israel relationship. Stay on point babe.

[quote] The Israelis I've spoken to are not teeming with blood lust. They're devastated, particularly because they were in sympathy with the peace movement and hated Netanyahu. They would like time to mourn. Hamas could give it to them by releasing the hostages. It would also help Hamas in the court of public opinion, which now sees them as ISIS II.

Do you honestly think that would end this? I really, really don't. People revert to chimpanzees in this situation, and start looking for faces to rip off. And I don't mean Jews, or Palestinians, I mean pretty much every member of Homo Sapiens for the past 200,000 years. I don't think anyone is ready to calm down yet. I seriously doubt it.

Joy Reid finally succumbed and had the mother of a killed Israeli teen on. She let the woman, who was obviously devastated, run on for 10 minutes and make factual political misstatements that Joy can correct with future pro-Palestinian guests. The woman said that NYU had supported Hamas when it was that idiot law student and that the billions given to Gaza could have made it a paradise. Cue Ayman Mohyeldin with corrections and propaganda for her next show.

Every single host today interviewed an Israeli who lost a relative. Joy's is the first one that went off the rails and I assume it was deliberate. She just let her ramble on.

I guess it's OK to call Palestinians nazis if you can call Israel apartheid. People these days change definitions as often as they do genders.

R29, this is the reason for the expression, revenge is a dish best served cold. In some situations it is better to calculate and kill in cold blood, rather than act on impulse, and make bad decisions.

Taken from a terrorist bodycam. They take out their resentment and hatred out on dogs, too. It comes with a "Barbarism warning" so I didn't watch it.

BTW, this an excellent feed to follow. She was reporting about Netanyahu ignoring military advice about Hamas threats and the widespread belief that this falls squarely on his shoulders the same day, only hours after the attacks began.

[quote] In some situations it is better to calculate and kill in cold blood,

It may be. It certainly would have been after 9/11. But that is not what happens. It's good advice, rarely taken. I suspect Israel will pound the shit out of Gaza for awhile, and seek to destroy Hamas, no, eradicate Hamas. I really don't see them stopping anytime soon.

[quote] She was reporting about Netanyahu ignoring military advice about Hamas threats

Seeing more and more of this. it is very interesting. I don't know what Hamas was thinking, other than mass suicide mission. Death by IDF? Was Netanyahu thinking the same thing? Was he thinking, "good. They'll all finally get it in a few weeks."

Lots of people suffer serious oppression (actual slavery, actual apartheid, actual genocide) and manage to not engage in a well coordinated, sophisticated reign of terror and carnage killing hundreds of civilians including the elderly, disabled and babies while taking hostages and filming it.

I don’t mean to belittle the real suffering of the Palestinians, but making excuses for Hamas because history and oppression is like saying Jeffrey Dahmer had a legitimate cause for his behavior because he had a crappy childhood. There’s nuance and then there’s stupidity.

Exactly, Elderberry. The Palestinians are all complicit in these atrocities.

I agree ElderLez. There are times when complete submission is really the only reasonable choice, as many Native American tribes decided. They were right. Apaches and Navajo and Hopi constantly blowing shit up and suffering misery and death in consequence was a choice they decided eventually to abandon. Nothing is fair about that, but it's just a fact of life.

But that said, I don't think everyone is making excuses for Hamas or the Palestinians for not accepting that. It is an acceptance that sometimes that is not the choice that people will make. And that does lead to misery and suffering, but sometimes that is just the way it is.

I do think Hamas will now be wiped out, because of the big choice they made.

No R37 the Palestinians are not all complicit. That’s nonsense. Some are some aren’t. Hamas is using the suffering of the Palestinian people as cover for their evil in much the same way they put their military installations under schools and hospitals.

[QUOTE]Joy's is the first one that went off the rails and I assume it was deliberate. She just let her ramble on.

She's a bereaved mother at the worst point in her life, probably on little to no sleep since the attacks began, clearly not thinking straight and Joy's supposed cut her off or fact check in real time? 🙄

Complete submission, non-violent resistance, violent resistance aimed only at military targets, violent resistance aimed at military targets and known bad actors like some of the settlers; there are a range of behaviors that don’t include what Hamas did.

Agreed r41. And they will pay the price for that. No doubt.

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And again, it does seem like a weird suicide mission. I know some Hamas are probably crazy, thinking that Allah will step in a kill all the Israelis if they just take the first step. But I suspect most aren't crazy and must know that most of them will be dead within the month.

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Presume the Republicans are to be thanked for the US having confirmed ambassadors to Israel, Lebanon, Egypt, Oman and Kuwait.

Yes, I think the minute the interview, which went on for 10 minutes, strayed over to politics, it was time to end it. Joy is more than capable of doing this and someone pre-interviewed the woman. Joy knew what she was doing.

Most probably r46, although I will say it's a Senate thing and technically the Dems control the Senate. But there is probably a lot of bullshit involving stupid bullshit Senate rules about all of it. Honestly, can we all end that shit, starting with Tuberville's stupid bullshit?

That NYU student at R1 - yikes!

She's getting lots of national attention. And she's deleted her LinkedIn profile (or hidden it).

I'm betting you can't buy a Coke in Gaza tonight.

In Gaza, at least 900 people have died -- among them 260 children and 230 women -- and another 4,500 have been wounded since Saturday, according to the latest numbers from Palestinian officials.

Funny you mentioned Jeffrey Dahmer. I just was just talking to my mom about the situation. I said that this reminds me of a bunch of Jeffrey Dahmers running around butchering people. It is the first thing that came to me after reading about the atrocities. I just don't get how anyone, let a whole group, can butcher infants and children like that. No matter how much you hate someone, and perhaps with good reason, how do you look at a helpless child and slit his throat. Don't care what the history is, or what you've seen or been through, this is unforgivable. No "both sides".

R44, Hamas is a fundamentalist organization. I assume that their leadership will be and are fine, since they are in other countries. The invaders themselves expect to be killed, and may be shocked that most of them survived the first few days.

R52, every week, somewhere on the planet, something like this is happening. We usually just don’t care.

[quote] I assume that their leadership will be and are fine

I assume they won't. I assume that while some of them might be desperately trying to get to Iran, most of them will fail in that effort and die in Gaza. And I assume most of them knew that going in. That is what is crazy. I don't think every Hamas leader has a magic carpet and a way out. They probably did this knowing it would end in a truly crazy bloody way. As the 9/11 hijackers did. What to do with that? I don't know. But Israel is right to try to wipe out Hamas, even though I totally believe they helped create it decades ago, including Netanyahu personally.

R53 "every week, somewhere on the planet, something like this is happening. We usually just don’t care."

On this scale? I hope not and I do care. Speak for yourself.

I'm glad Biden is sending ammunition and sharing intelligence with Israel. And I'm especially glad that he's saying this out loud to the whole world.

Well he ain't crazy r56. We're still an Israeli ally and largely the vast majority of Americans prefer that.

R54, the leaders of Hamas, I have read, have not been in Gaza for some time. They were watching this unfold on television.

CNN is quoting Defense Minister Yoav Gallant saying he has “released all restraints” on Israeli troops.

Where are you reading that r58?

Also r58, where are they?

I believe him r59. This is not going to go by Geneva Convention rules. This is going to go by old school everybody in site who gets in the fucking way rules.

Well, Ismail Haniyeh is in Qatar.

Tonight: "According to Palestinian reports, the IDF attacked the home of Hamas military commander Mohammed Deif, killing his father, brother, children and other relatives."

That's interesting r63. I suspect he will not be alive a month from now, wherever he is. I really doubt this is not going to be one of those play by the rules things, really.

And I'm not saying that is a great thing, although I honestly don't care if most Hamas leaders are killed. It's a fact of life, or really death.

[quote]Israel is right to try to wipe out Hamas, even though I totally believe they helped create it decades ago, including Netanyahu personally.

As long as we’re making 9/11 analogies, Ronald Reagan DID help to create the Taliban to get back at Russia,

Yes, true r66, but the Taliban did not actually do 9/11. A lot of Saudis did, and that's an even more interesting story, and one we have never dealt with.

just checked online and saw nothing suggesting Deif and his family were dead.

[quote] That NYU student at [R1] - yikes!

And of course - shocker, I know! - she’s an enby.

R68 - According to Wiki, Muhammad Deif himself was killed today:

r68 - didn't say deif was dead. read better, son.

Re-posting again for r68: "According to Palestinian reports, the IDF attacked the home of Hamas military commander Mohammed Deif, killing his father, brother, children and other relatives."

R64 Wouldn't be surprised if "Palestinian reports" said they beheaded his twin infants.

The Israeli death toll from Hamas's attacks on the country has risen to at least 1,200, according to an early Wednesday update from Israel's public broadcaster KAN.

No corroboration from responsible media sources. Don't worry. You'll have your chance to both sides war crimes. Just not yet.

[quote] You'll have your chance to both sides war crimes.

There will be war crimes on "both sides." Don't worry about it. Don't revel in it. Just know it. There will be slaughter to match the slaughter Hamas perpetrated. Don't be a fool about the world.

R60, I’m sure the offices are very nice, too.

I suspect your very understandable bloodlust will be sated r77. He will probably be dead within a month. I won't mourn him. Will that solve anything? Well, does anything solve anything in this kind of situation?

[quote]Footage from inside his Doha office showed Haniyeh celebrating the attack with other Hamas officials, before they prostrated themselves on the carpet and praised God.

Evil, indeed.

R75: “ corroboration from responsible media sources”

lol

Gutfeld said Biden gave a strong speech. Biden has the opportunity to unite the country in support of Israel's war on Palestinian terrorism.

I like Biden, but could we not live in some stupid dreamworld about all of this? If you like Israel, and most Americans do, then you like it. Nothing to do with anybody "bringing us all together." Can we not with that horseshit?

[QUOTE]I do think Hamas will now be wiped out, because of the big choice they made.

Hamas' top officials live in Qatar. Can Israel viably send assasins to infiltrate and sever the leadership from the masses (and, presumably, connections to Iran and Russia) by killing them and their potential successors ?

And who is this alleged Palestinian Gazan "billionaire" I keep hearing about who has allegedly made his empire from usurping aid to the strip? Big target, too.

The U.S. got bin Laden, through time, patience, stealth and in obscurity. It may take a decade again, but where there's a will. This is a seminal event.

It is obscenely ignorant to compare the Palestinians’ treatment to the “pre-Holocaust” treatment of Jews by Germans. If Auschwitz or other death camps had never been built, one out of six European Jews would still have been kiilled in pogroms and attacks.

Two out of every three European Jews were killed by the war’s end. Palestinian deaths are tragic, but nowhere near that, and with none of the intentionality Germans showed by using infants for target practice, shooting the sick in hospitals, or killing every person in a village.

What the informed like r12 may be referring to are the ghettos where Germans forced Jews. Gaza endures terrible conditions, but it is nothing like the Polish or other ghettos. The Warsaw ghetto crammed half a million people into 1.5 square miles. Gaza is two million people, with about 15,000 a square mile.

The simplistic analysis like r12 is an embarrassment. One can object to Palestinian conditions without drawing inappropriate analogies. The Germans’ monstrosity really doesn’t have a parallel, even when there were more casualties.

[quote]I believe him [R59]. This is not going to go by Geneva Convention rules. This is going to go by old school everybody in site who gets in the fucking way rules.

Well that's great, there will be 1000s of Palestinian civilians, young and old, including children, killed by an avenging IDF. But hey, an eye for an eye.

All members of Hamas, especially their terrorist leaders, need to be hunted down. But the obliteration of Gaza, home to hundreds of thousands of already impoverished civilians who had nothing to do with the attacks in Israel, will be the 'acceptable' collateral damage. And the cycle of violence will continue on......

People here comparing Holocaust murders, to Palestinian citizen murders, to Israeli murders and on and on, are crazy. Deaths of civilians are deaths, period. Numbers, political background, social class, religious affiliation, do not justify any of it.

What about Whoopi, Joy Beehar? Weigh in or no?

HAS ANYONE WATCHED THE VIEW TODAY

[quote] Well that's great, there will be 1000s of Palestinian civilians, young and old, including children, killed by an avenging IDF. But hey, an eye for an eye.

No, none of it is great. None of it has been great since Hamas decided to start this thing. All of it is horrible, and it will remain horrible for quite some time.n

What would be lost if Gaza was completely destroyed? Nothing of value, that’s for sure. Unfortunately, it would be a crime against humanity, so a siege and ground invasion are the only ethical steps that can be taken.

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💥Ex DefMin Gen (ret) Moshe Ya'alon: "I call on the opposition not to enter coalition with Netanyahu but to demand he resign. He was warned several times, he did not let the Chief of Staff speak to the Cabinet. There is no trust in him. How can you lead people to war like this?"

[quote] All members of Hamas, especially their terrorist leaders, need to be hunted down. But the obliteration of Gaza, home to hundreds of thousands of already impoverished civilians who had nothing to do with the attacks in Israel, will be the 'acceptable' collateral damage.

I mean Israel's options right now are send 400,000 men into a densely populated urban area where Hamas have had years to dig in and have local knowledge and support which is going to be comparable the Battle of Stalingrad for them in casualty rate and result in thousands of Palestinian collateral deaths over a lengthy period of time. Or bomb the shit out of the place first. I can see why they're going for the second one.

It's very upsetting and depressing that a lot of people are going to die. I just listened to rock and roll for awhile to remember that there are good things in the world.

What happened to the hostages?

I watched those horrific videos of the music festival till 4am last night. Those poor young kids who attended the festival.

And it was a festival for peace.

R1 many 'woke' black radicals support Hamas, because it is what they fantasize about doing to white people en masse.

The 2020 riots gave them a taste, thanks to the leadership of self-loathing white progressives.

R39 You must have missed the scenes of Palestinians and their brethren around the world celebrating the massacre of Jews.

I don’t care if Gaza is flattened into a parking lot.

Lt, Colonel Jonathan Comicrus, who’s been appearing on CNN with Anderson, is great I love his accent. He’s also extremely informative and succinct without lapsing into rhetoric. He’s also hot as hell.

Lol, you're adorable, r96.

I shouldn't be shocked, but I am. WTF?

[quote] As long as we’re making 9/11 analogies, Ronald Reagan DID help to create the Taliban to get back at Russia,

False analogies.

The Taliban formed in 1994.. Reagan left office in 1989.

The Americans had supported the Mujaheddin against Russia, largely under the strategy put forward by Mika's daddy Zbigniew Brzezinski. Bill Clinton ignored our allies and the Taliban fought and annihilated the American supported government .

Tranny Ryna Workman, student president of the NYU Law School Bar Association, published a statement in a school newsletter that was widely circulated .

The president of New York University’s student bar association sent an incendiary pro-Hamas message to the school Tuesday — cheering the terror attack on civilians and blaming Israel for the bloodshed.

Ryna Workman also accused the Jewish state of “genocide” in the missive — which caused so much outrage a law firm rescinded a cushy job offer to the student.

“I want to express, first and foremost, my unwavering and absolute solidarity with Palestinians in their resistance against oppression towards liberation and self-determination,” wrote Workman, who identifies as non-binary.

“Israel bears full responsibility for this tremendous loss of life. This regime of state-sanctioned violence created the conditions that made resistance necessary,” their post continued.

“I will not condemn Palestinian resistance,” they went on to write, instead condemning the “violence of… apartheid, military occupation, the United States military industrial complex and obfuscating genocide as a ‘complex issue,'” among other things.

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The university released a statement saying the message did not reflect its views.

“Acts of terrorism are immoral. The indiscriminate killing of civilians and hostage-taking, including children and the elderly, is reprehensible. Blaming victims of terrorism for their own deaths is wrong,” spokesman John Beckman said.

𝐖𝐨𝐫𝐤𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐢𝐦𝐦𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐫𝐞𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐫 𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐞𝐰. 𝐈𝐧 𝐚 𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐨𝐨𝐧 𝐗 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐭, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐫𝐨𝐭𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐛𝐞 “𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢-𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥(𝐉𝐞𝐰𝐢𝐬𝐡) 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐲 𝐢𝐧 𝐦𝐲 𝐩𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐬 𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐨𝐧𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭.”

The NYU newsletter was just the latest instance of student leaders and organizations nationwide that have thrown their support behind Hamas terrorists’ weekend massacre which killed more than one thousand Israelis, according to the nation’s US embassy.

The group Students for Justice in Palestine is calling on all its chapters to join a “mass mobilization’’ on Thursday to mark the “historic win for Palestinian Resistance.’’

A poster promoting the event at California State University’s La Fuerza Student Association featuring a paraglider, which were used by insurgents to launch their horrific surprise terror attacks on residential areas and kibbutzs, where they fired on civilians at random.

“We will be rallying and marching in support of the Palestinian liberation and against Zionist occupation in Palestine,” the group said.

The SPJ groups at Arizona State University, University of Arizona, Butler University, University of Louisville, University of Binghamton and the University of Virginia were planning on participating in the event, with off-campus events planned at Michigan State University and University of Mary Washington, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

At Harvard University, more than 30 student groups said they held Israel “entirely responsible” for the attacks carried out by Hamas, which is recognized as a terror group by the US and other western powers for its murders and kidnappings.

Former Harvard president Larry Summers, who served as Treasury Secretary in the Clinton administration, said he had never been more “disillusioned and alienated” from the university.

“The silence from Harvard’s leadership, so far, coupled with a vocal and widely reported student groups’ statement blaming Israel solely, has allowed Harvard to appear at best neutral towards acts of terror against the Jewish state of Israel,” Summers wrote on X.

“Instead, Harvard is being defined by the morally unconscionable statement apparently coming from two dozen student groups blaming all the violence on Israel.”

President Claudine Gay later issued a statement condemning “the terrorist atrocities perpetrated by Hamas,” and added that the student groups do not speak for the university.

Someone above suggested that the real leaders of Hamas will be safe living in other countries. They will be marked men. And if it takes years they will be hunted men,

What a wide TV you must have R97 to see all five million of them.

Have now seen someone calling for photos of tortured and mutilated dead babies to be published so people can see if ‘the Zionists’ are telling the truth.

The good thing about these people posting online is that their identities are easy to find.

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Bill Ackman's trying to find out which Harvard students supported the statements that supported Palestine against Israel so that he doesn't inadvertently hire them.

[quote] Have now seen someone calling for photos of tortured and mutilated dead babies to be published so people can see if ‘the Zionists’ are telling the truth.

And that will happen.

Oct 10: Urgent Advisory from the Israeli Government:

Within the next few hours, Hamas terrorists are expected to disseminate photos and videos of hostages and acts of torture across social media platforms. The Government of Israel urgently requests the following actions be taken.

1. Do not engage in sharing these images or videos under any circumstances. Doing so contributes to psychological warfare against both the State of Israel and its citizens.

2. Shield minors from exposure to this disturbing content. The images and videos are highly graphic and could induce significant emotional distress. Your cooperation in adhering to these directives is critically important.

Has the Hamas supporter from yesterday who was making light of and denying these beheadings come back ,maned up like an adult, and admitted they were wrong?

These Hamas supporting progressives need to be purged or sent to MAGA land where they will fit in better.

Fuck them and not in a fun way.

Around 10% of victims are foreign nationals

*I'm not linking to this video.

Dump Jr posted an uncensored brutal video (a pile of cut up humans including many children). I watched a split second of it before stopping it and it was horrific. He claimed it was the Israel massacre but had his coked out ass handed to him from people all saying it was from Syria 8 years ago and they had receipts. Then he had a warning slapped on this tweet. The link is a screenshot only - not a link to the tweet.

SEAL Team 6 operators on the ground or on the way. Hostage receiving very.

Stay lucky boys

Obviously

Hostage recovery

I was reading up about Gaza today and it's 138 square miles in size. [bold]46% of the 2.1 million residents are 14 years old and under[/bold]. All of this is fucking awful. If they could just let the children out to Egypt then whatever else happens - at least the children weren't slaughtered. Children don't have choices because they're children. They have no blame in this. Arab countries can take them. Iran, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc.

Then Israel must get rid of Hamas and get it over with. Then after - it has to be fixed.

R114, to paraphrase Golda Meir, there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews.

[quote] Has the Hamas supporter from yesterday who was making light of and denying these beheadings come back ,maned up like an adult, and admitted they were wrong?

I think he was just having his fun trolling the board and seeing if he could make anybody angry.

[quote] Arab countries can take them. Iran, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc.

No Muslim country is fool enough to inflict Palestinians on themselves. It would be like injecting themselves with ebola.

Agree, R97. Look this POS in Manhattan cheering the death of those 'hipsters'.

Interesting that so many doubt the veracity of the baby decapitations. Do you really think those vile creatures couldn't/wouldn't do such a thing? Of course they've done this, and they probably did it in front of the parents too.

TRUMP 2024

Egypt should give the children shelter while basic resources are scarce.

These threads have been sorely lacking in musical selections, which isn’t like DL, so let me share with you what’s on my iPOD.

(It wouldn’t be DL without at least one too soon inappropriate post, now would it?)

It’s funny you should say that Sippy because my wife spent this morning yelling that walls don’t work and people like BIbi and Trump who rely on them are idiots.

Islam must be wiped out

So a plan suggested on DL , before the invasion starts , and all the militants are killed and Gaza raised to the ground , is a mass movement to another country of 46% of over two million people , all under the age of 14, from Gaza ?

And someone thinks this a workable plan?

I don’t think I said before, during is fine. Poland has taken in 2.9 million Ukrainians. Humanitarian funds from the US, EU, UN, ACT that would have gone to Gaza can pay for it. Heck Israel can chip in too.

so where the fuck are they going? they better not seek asylum in the USA.

[QUOTE] The Palestinians are all complicit in these atrocities.

Sure Jan. What happened to this site? Bunch of MAGATS posting here now.

Gaza's only power plant has now run out of fuel.

R114 if you get rid of Hamas, who will run the Gaza strip? Some proxy force backed by Israel? Why would anyone agree to do that?

There will be a lot more room to go back to in Gaza once Gaza is destroyed.

You provoke a thought R124, why doesn’t the US offer asylum to any Palestinian in Gaza who provides material assistance (including intelligence) in destroying Hamas.

Maybe UN peacekeepers at first R127.

R129 Israel has been adamant for many years about not allowing UN Peacekeepers in those territories. Not going to happen.

R116

So you think the poster from yesterday is more a liar than a Hamas supporter?

In the US there are those who are marching in support of and voicing support for Hamas and their attack. Why would you think some of them are not gay men who post on DL?

[quote]False analogies. The Taliban formed in 1994.. Reagan left office in 1989.

Yeah, R101. All those crazy, radical religious fanatics just “magically appeared” out of nowhere in 1994. Who gave those maniacs funds, arms, and military training in the 1980s and invited them into the White House and compared them with the USA’s founding fathers?

131 BECAUSE MUSLIMS HATE GAYS ???? Get a clue, hamas would kill u in a second flat. Islam hates gays, period.

Maybe R130, but given the changing circumstances maybe they’ll change their minds.

Israel has been telling Gaza civilians to go to the south and the sea, maybe US naval ships could take some of the women and children to Morocco as well if Egypt is less hospitable than Poland.

[quote]R52: I just don't get how anyone, let a whole group, can butcher infants and children like that.

Whenever claims like that start flying around, I become cautious.

No disrespect R134 but I can tell you don't have a deep understanding of this situation. Israel is completely intransigent on this issue and will remain so.

Israel is even hostile to medics. No way they allow UN forces in there.

[quote]if you get rid of Hamas, who will run the Gaza strip?

The Palestinian Authority

[quote] Israel has been adamant for many years about not allowing UN Peacekeepers in those territories

The world has seen generations of reasons to mistrust UN "peacekeepers"

Oh good to know there's no hope at all R139. Guess based on that article idk what we can do but UN peacekeepers aren't the answer.

Just give up and leave every one alone I guess. Focus on the problems if your own country.

That isn't going to happen R138.

[QUOTE] Oh good to know there's no hope at all [R139].

That's right there isn't any hope since Israel always blocks any pathway to a potential solution. This is what they want.

Netanyahu will probably be out of power soon, r142. He's been fucking things up for so long, it's become hard to imagine things getting better, but they might at least change.

R143 if Netanyahu goes he's not going to be replaced by a dove of peace. The new PM will be so reactionary as to make Bibi look like a leftist.

I don't see how the PA can run Gaza at this point R138. It's been almost 20 years since the PA was involved there and if it were put into power and if it were reinstituted they would like be seen as lackeys of Israel and the West by most Gazans. Plus the PA is corrupted and inefficient and I doubt they have the capacity to keep control over Gaza militants.

R142, can you give some examples since Israel is “always” blocking “any pathway to a potential solution”? Bonus points if you can find one that has Palestinians agreeing that Israel can still exist.

The Democratic Socialists [marxists] of America support pogroms.

Several posters have mentioned getting the children out of Gaza through the Gaza- Egyptian border. That would be great, but Hamas is never going to go along with that. I'd be absolutely shocked if they did.

What, and give up all of those lovely pre-pubescent human shields?

I heard they were bombing the Egyptian/Gaza border. Not the Egyptian side obviously, but making it nearly impossible to pass into Egypt.

Netanyahu needs be replaced by Israel in this aftermath. He had been focused on undermining the Israeli judicial system, and enhancing his personal power with corruption charges hanging. The attack showed a colossal intelligence failure under his leadership.

An evil man will burn his own nation to the ground to rule over the ashes.

The USA should be familiar with this problem.

A new warning from Financial Times:

" Israel is going to have more problems trying to wipe out Palestinians. All involved in the Israel-Hamas conflict should heed the warnings of 1982 Every fresh attempt to wipe out Palestinian militant groups only forges more extreme iterations"

[quote] An evil man will burn his own nation to the ground to rule over the ashes.

Who is that Palestinian evil man who did all this?

[QUOTE] Netanyahu needs be replaced by Israel in this aftermath.

He does need to go, but who do you replace him with? Anyone who still thinks of bibi as an extremist within the realm of Israeli politics needs to get out of the 1990s. That country has moved far to the right since then. Bibi is now a centrist.

[quote] Bibi is now a centrist.

True, but there are those who believe that anyone who wants to preserve Israel and defend it against terrorism and invasion is by their definition an extremist.

[quote] Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and opposition leader Benny Gantz have agreed to form an emergency government.

[quote] A "war cabinet" will also be set up - with Netanyahu, Gantz and the country's defence minister.

[quote] It means that during the war period, "no bills or government decisions will be promoted that do not concern the conduct of the war" and all senior appointments will be automatically extended during the war period.

That’s good that they are going to put aside petty grievances against Netanyahu and everyone will focus on what is important.

What the hall was Hamas thinking?

Israel is in a real bind. It needs to respond by maximum force to make a point -- not just bombing a few buildings in Gaza and cutting off water and electricity. But if Israel responds with maximum force any sympathy from the world for Israel will quickly evaporate and be replaced by hostility.

It's a no win situation for Israel. That's probably what Hamas was thinking, R159

R160

They could have easily done that in a large well planned attack , 1000s of attackers , without beheading babies for the world to see and without making the moms watch the beheadings before killing mom who has already been raped..

This is what I do not understand. It screams——counter productive to your cause. A cause that a week ago had a lot of western support.

[quote]What the hall was Hamas thinking?

They were thinking about killing Israeli jews.

Israel’s situation is like having cancer, with the Palestinian terrorism being the cancer. People can rightly talk about bad the odds are for any of the possible actions against the cancer, but just lying down and letting the cancer consume you is not an option in this case. Israel has to take some steps to eradicate the cancer no matter how long the odds. Of course, we all know that the olive branch extended to the Palestinians was only a placebo and had no impact on the cancer. That’s been proven repeatedly.

R162

So a suicide mission for all of Hamas for the chance to kill a few 1000s Jews?

And there is no way this does not end up being a suicide mission for Hamas and in time their leadership living elsewhere.

So where will the next terror attack take place? USA? it's only a matter of time. the cunts are probably already here.

.....

fucking kill them all, I don't give a shit. there are too many people in this world and the planet cannot sustain

The only way to end this if to kill all the Palestinians or deport them

R161 If Israel goes scorched earth and pulls other countries into this mess it won't matter in time. The stuff Hamas did will be forgotten.

[QUOTE] The only way to end this if to kill all the Palestinians or deport them

Begone, MAGAT.

Deport?

This article from a conservative American pro-Israel website is right. There’s not a solution for Gaza.

R169

The USS Gerald Ford is there with its armada to make sure other countries stay out of this. And that has been announced to the world.

Breaking: Ben Cardin to take over position of "Israel's primary bagman in US congress" from Bob Menendez.

The only silver lining in this is that, the way things are going, soon there won't be a Gaza for Israel and Palestine to fight over anymore.

HEADLINE: CNN Children found ‘butchered’ in Israeli kibbutz, IDF says, as horror of Hamas’ attacks near border begins to emerge

From the article:

"The IDF told CNN the killings at Kfar Aza amounted to a “massacre,” but said it could not confirm the number of people killed there and would not go into details how they died. CNN could not independently verify the IDF’s accounts of children being killed in the attack."

R175 = filthy Magat

About 80% of the posts on these Israel threads have the stench of Matt A.

And if it's not Matt A. then this place is overrun with "muh Israel right or wrong" MAGATS.

The problem isn't the Palestinians, Gaza or Hamas, the problem is islam itself. No one is paying attention to what islamic extremists are doing in sub-Sahara Africa. Fuck, the abducted hundreds of girls a few years ago and people held up pathetic little signs on FB. How quickly we forget the islamic terror attacks in New York (several), Paris, London, Bombay, Spain, etc. We ignore the homophobia, misogyny, violence, slavery and horrendous human rights violations in way too many muslim-majority countries.

Gaza and Hamas are symptoms, the disease is unreformed islam, and the disease is getting worse.

The Hamas terrorists probably consider themselves martyrs. Maybe they even believe all the Palestinian civilians who are being killed are martyrs too, but they are not willing ones. That just makes them tragic “collateral damage.”

On TruthSocial, Trump warns of pending attacks inside the USA by Hamas sympathizers entering through US/Mexico border.

^and I should add, we accept as normal the beheading of a priest and a teacher in France, and the shooting of writers and reports, and the rape and exploitation of hundred of Christian and Sikh girls mainly in the UK but across Europe. All of it is sanctioned by islam.

-R179

That scares me R181. As much as I hate Trump, he's shown to be prescient about so many things.

The Israel-Palestine conflict has been ongoing since 1948, when the State of Israel was founded and 700,000 Palestinians were forced to flee their homes. (Its roots go back far further.) The central underlying issue is not actually very complicated: Israel was established as a Jewish state in a land with a large indigenous Arab population. That population has always been inconvenient for the project of building an ethno-nationalist state. Granting the Palestinians full rights as citizens of a democratic Israel would prevent Israel from being a “Jewish” state. The sensible solution for Israel would be to grant Palestinians their own state, but Israel holds the cards, since it has Palestine under occupation (in the West Bank) and blockade (in Gaza). Rather than give Palestinians sovereignty in what remains of their historic territory, Israel has chosen to maintain its control and grant Palestinians only limited freedoms, creating an apartheid state, the miseries of which are well-documented. The realistic possibilities for a Palestinian state have steadily been diminishing, first because Israel sees no reason to change its position, and second because Israeli “settlers” keep seizing bits of Palestinian territory, to the point where maps of the Palestinian West Bank now look like a Swiss cheese.

Benjamin Netanyahu’s far right government has made it clear that its position is that Palestinian sovereignty is simply off the table. Netanyahu openly declared a policy of annexing the West Bank to Israel. He vowed to “crush” Palestinian statehood aspirations and swore that they would never have self-governance so long as he was in power, meaning that the apartheid status quo would be maintained and extended. As Palestinians looked toward the future, it’s clear that they could see little except steady further encroachment on what little self-determination they had left. The Netanyahu vision for Palestine is to keep it as essentially a prison within Israel, under full Israeli control.

The responsibility of the international community is clear: we have to push for a final negotiated end to the conflict, through the end of Israel’s apartheid and the granting of full rights of self-determination to Palestine. Ultimately, as Chomsky and Cassif point out, the subjugation of Palestine is not in the interests of ordinary Israelis, who themselves deserve to live in peace. It guarantees Israel’s perpetual insecurity. So long as there are Palestinians, there will be resistance, some of which will be violent, and it will become more violent when other avenues for expressing dissent are closed off. To predict what will happen is in no way to justify it, and while we can and should condemn Hamas’ counterproductive and hideous atrocities, we need to understand why they occurred and how to prevent more from happening in the future. One way, favored by some, is to simply “destroy everything”—there is peace, by definition, if everyone is dead. But if we care about trying to avert the worst disaster, then we have to think rationally and carefully about what is actually likely to end the conflict. Eliminating the source of Palestinian grievances by granting them their basic rights under international law is the best way to minimize the likelihood of future violence. The job of the U.S. is not to “support Israel” by aiding Israel’s vengeance, but by facilitating a just settlement. That involves pressuring Israel to end the occupation that serves as Hamas’ greatest recruitment tool.

I'm bailing on this thread, this topic...stopped when I read about the babies and animal slaughter. I literally can't handle this, mentally.

Fuck Hamas. Kill them all.

[quote]The realistic possibilities for a Palestinian state have steadily been diminishing, first because Israel sees no reason to change its position, and second because Israeli “settlers” keep seizing bits of Palestinian territory, to the point where maps of the Palestinian West Bank now look like a Swiss cheese.

Third, because if Palestinian were to be granted independent statehood, they political power there would be even better positioned to fulfill their goal of wiping Israel off the face of the Earth.

Oh for fuck's sake R183, you don't need to be Donald Trump to understand how easily terrorists could come up here through Mexico.

He's hardly the first person to say that; lots of us have been saying that for years!

Prescient? Self-fulfilling prophecy is more like it. Many of the things he "predicted" were things his dumb ass materialized.

[quote]Third, because if Palestine were to be granted independent statehood, the state's political power would be even better positioned to fulfill their goal of wiping Israel off the face of the Earth.

Oh dearing myself at the mistakes in my original post, fixed above.

IDF: There has been suspected infiltration from Lebanon into Israeli airspace.

[quote]Oh for fuck's sake [R183], you don't need to be Donald Trump to understand how easily terrorists could come up here through Mexico.

[quote]He's hardly the first person to say that; lots of us have been saying that for years!

And STILL the dumbfuck Democrats insist on open borders. Fuckers!

The reason that there will never be peace there is the religion. I don’t think the average DLer who has never met a Palestinian can understand the degree to which religion rules their lives. Everything is God this, God that, this is forbidden, that’s forbidden, blah blah blah. You can’t reason with people who are that stupid and that far gone.

[quote]On TruthSocial, Trump warns of pending attacks inside the USA by Hamas sympathizers entering through US/Mexico border.

[quote]That scares me R181. As much as I hate Trump, he's shown to be prescient about so many things.

r181 why are you responding to yourself at r183?

R185 International intervention in imposing arbitrary boundaries and creating nation states, including Israel, is what led to a lot of the present conflicts. However, I agree with R189. If Israel is not backed by international powers, their neighboring countries will not allow them to exist. The problem is more complicated than just “creating” an independent Palestinian state.

My, my, r91, how you troll!

Thank you for regaling us with your wisdom before bailing, R186. You said a lot in that post.

I used to live in a British city with a large muslim community mainly from 2 different countries. They hated each other because it was different strands of Islam. Several joined Islamic State and were killed in action.

They turned their part of the city into a sex segregated are where you would only see women out and about if they we’re doing the shopping. Girls were never seen out playing and were at risk from FGM.

Politicians courted them because there was a huge vote.

When I see Israelis called colonisers for building a nation in the desert I think of those communities and question if they have colonised parts of Europe.

Shallow post alert @ R192.

Interestingly, I’ve heard more than one Muslim over the years say that Israeli Jews aren’t “real Jews.” I’m not really sure exactly what this means unless they’re referring to the fact that European Jews are not fully Jewish, but rather are mixed with non-Jewish Europeans.

Trump's Israel leak under scrutiny after Hamas attack

[quote] I used to live in a British city with a large muslim community mainly from 2 different countries. They hated each other because it was different strands of Islam.

Islam summarized ---

Me and my nation against the world. Me and my clan against my nation. Me and my family against the clan. Me and my brother against the family. Me against my brother.

London man Jake Marlowe confirmed dead.

He left London because he was worried about a rise in anti Jewish sentiment.

May his memory be a blessing.

Stories about beheadings remind of the (fake) stories about babies being pulled from incubators in Kuwait. Need neutral confirmation of this. Not just what IDF claims.

I'm scared for what will happen to the world, if Israel overreacts to this.

An Israeli sokdier on CNN last night pointed out that many of the atrocities committed on Saturday were by teenage Palestinian boys on bicycles. So not only should Hamas be totally wiped out so should their accomplices.

It's the truth, R177. It's horrific, but it is what it is. Gaza is about to be razed to the ground.

Sounds like the answer is to birth more babies into poverty in a warzone, in order to ensure the same shit happens for the next 1000 years. That makes complete sense.

R203

Or more like the Japanese Army in Nanking? And when this is done it’s going to be a lot closer to Nanking than some fake story .

But I assume many pro Hamas anti Jewish types will claim they need more proof about the beading’s, the killing of toddlers, the rape and killing of all those woman.

R184, Arabs aren't indigenous to what is now Israel, and Arabs are not even indigenous tp north Africa. They are there because of the Islamic Conquest, in the process destroying advanced cultures. What is now Israel was quite unpopulated, Twain commented on this writing on his visit there, and pretty much in ruins. There has always been a Jewish population there, but they started emigrating in substantial numbers, bought land, and really began to develop the country in the 1850s.

Here is a very interesting, scholarly book about the Islamic Conquest in the region.

[quote]Stories about beheadings remind of the (fake) stories about babies being pulled from incubators in Kuwait. Need neutral confirmation of this. Not just what IDF claims.

Journalists have seen the bodies and confirmed it. Do you really think that Hamas couldn’t be so depraved when slaughtering an entire community of people?

I need to see ALL the bloody cribs and car seats before I can begin to believe the fine Hamas gentleman did such a thing as decapitate children.

"One journalist from the Tel Aviv-based news channel i24 said a soldier told her they had "witnessed… bodies of babies with their heads cut off" at the Kfar Aza kibbutz near the Gaza border - but no Israeli officials have confirmed the claim."

Absolutely no evidence babies have been 'butchered' and beheaded.

CBS News in the US said on Wednesday that Yossi Landau, head of operations at Zaka, Israel's volunteer civilian emergency response organisation, confirmed to them he had "personally seen" adults, children and babies beheaded.

But when asked directly whether "40 babies were beheaded", an IDF spokesman said children were killed - but that reports of beheadings were "unconfirmed".

"Netanyahu vows to turn Hamas to glass" -- Dateline

Unfortunately that can't be accomplished by air campaigns. Needs a ground invasion. That means IDF troops entering unfamiliar terrain, full of traps, where it's unclear whether people are civilians or combatants. And Israeli has never been good at ground campaigns or guerrila warfare.

Not looking good for Israel.

No, r213, but looking even worse for Hamas and Gazans. A lot will be killed, and that is really the inevitable result of this, probably intended by Hamas for whatever fucked up reason they had, but regardless, a lot of death of a lot of people in Gaza and an end for now of any attempt to "work with people" on fake peace.

But like the Vietcong, Gazans are used to death, R214. Israelis are *not* used to mass casualties on their own side and have shown an aversion to putting themselves in situations where this could happen.

[quote] He left London because he was worried about a rise in anti Jewish sentiment.

He wasn't wrong. Just unlucky

The White House is reporting that 22 Americans have been killed and 17 are unaccounted for.

Need to send in a negotiator for the hostages.

What happens if Israel has to do ground invasion of Gaza at the same time it deals with Hezbollah rockets from the north, and also ambushes against Jewish settlers in the West Bank? It would be a three front war.

[quote]But when asked directly whether "40 babies were beheaded", an IDF spokesman said children were killed - but that reports of beheadings were "unconfirmed".

NOBODY and I repeat NOBODY has claimed that 40 babies were beheaded. This is fake outrage concocted by Hamas sympathisers to discredit the stories about the barbarity of what happened.

What has been reported since Sunday and now verified is that huge numbers of babies and children murdered, some of which were beheaded. They went door to door in a residential area on a Saturday morning killing as many people as possible. Do you think they spared the infants?

Does it really matter of it was 1 baby out of the infant deaths that was beheaded or all of them?

There are videos shared by Hamas of their men beheading people on the kibbutz.

When are we goihg to send American ground troops in?

Bernie Sanders Says Israel Is Violating International Law With Blockade on 'Open-Air Prison' in Gaza

The UK's Channel 4 has a good film about how the attack unfolded. At one kibbutz the gunmen couldn't get through the security gates so waited for someone to arrive. As the gates open the shot the people in the car and went in.

After however long of shooting the gunmen went back to the car, pulled the bodies out left them in the road and drove off. Then some time later another vehicle with Hamas terrorists arrive, they take one of the bodies of the original murder victims and drive off.

They came back to take the corpse of a dead Jew.

CNN: Talks underway to allow US citizens and Palestinians to leave Gaza, Israeli official says.

Hell must’ve frozen over because I haven’t yet seen any articles saying that trans and nonbinary people are the biggest victims in all of this.

Tom Tugendhat, the UK government's security minister has said that people were "brutally raped to death" - as "quite literally by some of the most horrific, barbaric terrorists that we've seen in generations".

As we've seen in Russia the terrorists don't just rape women, they rape men and children as well.

That's just a given, R225.

Yet you choose to bring it up, r225. Why so obsessed?

All you have to do is trolldar, r225. Obsessed, indeed.

R221

It will likely be SEALs doing rescue missions And if the US is concerned about the final outcome of the fighting then American air assets and or naval gunfire.

Joe maybe a Zionist but it’s not going to be US ground troops. Not as long as the above works.

SOS Blinken is currently on his way to Tel Aviv.

[quote] What happens if Israel has to do ground invasion of Gaza at the same time it deals with Hezbollah rockets from the north, and also ambushes against Jewish settlers in the West Bank? It would be a three front war.

Multi-front wars are business as usual from Israel's enemies. See 1948, 1967, and 1973

[quote] SOS Blinken is currently on his way to Tel Aviv.

They should have sent National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan. He has a true understanding of the region.

Go fuck yourself r196. Note that your contribution was even less substantive than mine, but I'm sure the irony of that flies over your head.

NOW, I'll leave.

Fuck this site and the souless trolls who inhabit it.

[QUOTE] NOW, I'll leave.

And nothing of value was lost.

Wow, just heard Bibi talking about beheadings in his usual slick, media friendly voice. No emotion. What a sociopath.

Never trust a 'ho.

What do you want, r236--tears? He's a leader. President Biden is also steely, determined, but not emotionally distraught to the public. IOW, STFU.

You want sociopathy? You want evil? You want to know whom to vilify rightly?

Try this on for size, you half-wit.

A woman and 2 children have been released by Hamas. Video exclusive given to Al Jazeera.

R235, Pastor Davey! LT, NS!

John Hagee, Mike Pompeo and Mizz Lindsay Graham are in deep mourning today.

R238, I guess that was the Florence Nightingale Hamas Brigade, bless their hearts.

[quote] A woman and 2 children have been released by Hamas. Video exclusive given to Al Jazeera.

Great. Good. Every Hamas member should still be killed.

R237 This is so fucked up.

On the eve of the attack 23 & Me was hacked for a list of people with Ashkenazi blood.

The Irish woman who attended the music festival has been confirmed as dead.

Today in Dublin a Palestine rally/parade took place where anti Israel chants were shouted and a catholic school in Northern Ireland had a special service for Palestine.

R244 it must be nice to be a Palestinian. You can commit mass murder and people treat YOU like the victim.

[quote]R210: Journalists have seen the bodies and confirmed it.

Have they? How do you know they're not just repeating what they heard? Even Joe Biden has repeated it.

Jesus fuck. You’ve seen the footage of the massacres. Hamas shot a kid in front of its siblings and parents. The video of them beheading a Thai worker is online. They set people on fire and tortured them.

And they decapitated at least one baby as part of a mass killing of children.

Do you want to see the photos yourself you sick fuck?

Biden saw the pictures of beheaded babies. The people who deny these atrocities are vile. I guess that you'd deny that millions of Jews died in the Holocaust too huh?

Gaza is an open air prison and Palestinians not all Hamas terrorists but Hamas *are terrorists*.

Hey, if you guys want to fight Israel can use you.

Really good piece by Naomi Klein. Some on the far left are absolute heartless freaks.

A long time ago, I read Yellow Wind (1988) by an Israeli author about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. The author talked to many people on both sides. It was horribly depressing. One thing I remember though. After 1948, the partition, the Arab population became refugees, living in camps (this is pre-Gaza). At the time the book was written, it was 40 years after the original war, yet they still lived in now permanent camps, raising new generations who only knew “the camps”. They didn’t want(?) to move on. This was their land too. I dunno, it made me think of all the displaced persons in WWII. They didn’t go back to Germany or Poland. It was their land too but they emigrated, to the UK, to the US, to South America. Post WWII, the US was all powerful. We overthrew the democratically elected ruler of Iran and installed the Shah ffs. Why couldn’t we have …encouraged… some of the other Middle Eastern countries to take the Palestinians. At that time, they were all still desert and camels and a few oil wells run by American and European companies, the oil boom didn’t happen for another 20 years and OPEC.

footnote to the Naomi Klein article: This article was edited at the request of the author to reflect the fact that celebrations of the deaths were rare, and many leading figures on the anti-colonial left, in Palestine and outside of it, clearly denounced the targeting of civilians.

The picture below is how The Guardian originally ran it. Last week she was defending the racist film director Ken Loach who despises Israel and has said the Holocaust should be up for debate.

[quote]R247: Jesus fuck. You’ve seen the footage of the massacres.

No, I haven't.

[quote]Hamas shot a kid in front of its siblings and parents. The video of them beheading a Thai worker is online. They set people on fire and tortured them.

These are separate claims, all requiring evidence. MAGAt sources are currently borrowing images and footage from various past instances, i.e Syria, and rebranding them as current to the Gaza conflict, in an effort to heighten the hysteria.

[quote]And they decapitated at least one baby as part of a mass killing of children. Do you want to see the photos yourself you sick fuck?

I want reliable evidence, not propaganda and histrionic rhetoric.

[quote]R248: Biden saw the pictures of beheaded babies.

Did he? I don't know that for a fact.

[quote]The people who deny these atrocities are vile.

People who scream emotionally-charged hysteria instead of offering evidence are vile.

[quote]I guess that you'd deny that millions of Jews died in the Holocaust too huh?

Nope. But apples and oranges, babe - that has nothing whatsoever to do with this.

Facts matter.

R253, patiently waiting for MSNBC to provide "facts" through his expected virtuous loop of feedback propaganda

PS babe

Truth is the first casualty of war

[quote]R254: patiently waiting for MSNBC to provide "facts" through his expected virtuous loop of feedback propaganda

As opposed to what? Your online histrionics and namecalling? Yes, I'm fine with waiting for the facts. I don't do outrage; I do not find emotional hysteria nourishing. I don't seek it out, propagate it, or attempt to inculcate it in others as part of an effort to distort the narrative or to rush past/disregard factual information.

holocaust shmolocaust

I really feel sorry for the Jewish people. My heart goes out to you. Throughout history, your people were hated everywhere, even though you did nothing wrong. And yes, your Israeli government did do some bad things to the Palestinians, but you yourselves can’t help that you were born in Israel. That’s where you were born, and that’s your home, and you can’t help that. Yet everyone still fucking hates you for no reason.

▲ Yet another sock, lying.

(R258, that is)

And R259 is the same user account that posted '𝐀𝐦 𝐈 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐥𝐢𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐥𝐬 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐏𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐬’ 𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐧𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐞?' These are socks of Matt A, attempting to propagate extremism.

[QUOTE] And yes, your Israeli government did do some bad things to the Palestinians, but you yourselves can’t help that you were born in Israel.

It wasn't just their government that did "some bad things" Mary.

We see you, r262. We know what you're about.

Babe

I think everything possible should be done to rescue hostages, but it’s ridiculous how the families of several people who left the U.S. to move to Israel, are now pleading with the Americans to save their loved ones. Talk about fair weather citizens. The U.S. first priority should be helping people who actually live there, but happened to be visiting.

The US is only interested in helping migrants and dual citizens these days, R265.

I hope Robert Tyler is ok

What is it about an orange name that always turns 'em so fucking tedious?

Hamas tried to break into one guy's house and he came out blasting. They left.

r266 is here to troll...

Here's a good one - some Hamas put on the uniforms of the Israel military after they killed them thinking they would keep them safe. They were killed by other Hamas.

That's why I never wear leopard when on safari, r271.

[quote]When are we going to send American ground troops in?

Ridiculous. Sending in US ground troops would ensure that the middle east descends into open war with no end is sight. Nobody is seriously considering it R221.

I could only see ground/SEAL troops being used to extract hostages and for that reason only. At least as a little cover for intelligence excursions, too.

From the WSJ

A mob of Islamist Arabs incited by Jew-hatred entered the town and killed as many Jews as they could find. They went door to door, broke into the homes of their victims, and slaughtered innocent men, women and children. These gangs raped, mutilated and tortured them while screaming “Kill the Jews!”

That was 94 years ago, on Saturday, Aug. 24, 1929, in Hebron. The picture is essentially the same, only that then the Arab riots that included this massacre ended with 133 Jews murdered. This time, it is several times as many, and we don’t know the final figure.

Given that the events are virtually the same, the question is: Why? There was no state of Israel in 1929. There were no “occupied” territories, no “settlers.” There was no “blockade.” No security fence, no checkpoints, nothing. If the excuses of today’s murderers did not exist at that time, what did exist? A deep, maniacal, murderous and utterly destructive hatred of Jews—the same essential factor operating today, to which all other excuses are subservient.

Fuck you, Poisoned Dragon.

I hope you live in such fear all of your remaining days, mother fucking cunt.

Entebbe. The Munich Assassins. Adolf Eichmann. The Mossad and IDF know what they're doing.

If it is possible on Earth to rescue the hostages, Israel will accomplish it.

R274, I think that there’s a U.S. presence is there solely to deter other countries, such as Iran, from exploiting on the situation. Otherwise, we shouldn’t interfere or try to run things.

I feel like the rabid defense of hamas by some is just a new kind of anti semitism. It’s really disturbing.

[QUOTE] The Mossad and IDF know what they're doing.

Uh, then why did the attacks happen?

The Atlantic’s Yair Rosenberg:

There are two parallels trends unfolding in Israel right now:

-Renewed social solidarity across the previously splintered general public

-Extraordinary public anger at the Netanyahu government for failing in its fundamental duty to protect its citizens

Admittedly an excellent question, r280. Lack of imagination, I think, more than lack of intel.

Israeli leaders simply couldn't imagine** sneak-attack-by-hang-gliders. Thus, they stationed more troops in the West Bank, while reducing forces in Gaza. But perhaps most inexplicably, Israel didn't think music revelers and families at home would be brutally slain or kidnapped. After all her history, .....🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️🤷

** Sounds like Condi Rice re: airplane attacks on buildings, but she was perjuring herself, as just such a scenario had been discussed.

But my point about vengeance and rescues remains.

I think anyone putting up a defense of well let’s wait and see if the slaughtered infants were beheaded or not before we judge too harshly has lost the fucking plot. ffs

[quote]R264: We see you, [R262]. We know what you're about. Babe

There goes that worn-out "we" shit. You and your socks do not constitute "we," Matt.

[quote]R283: I think anyone putting up a defense of well let’s wait and see if the slaughtered infants were beheaded or not before we judge too harshly has lost the fucking plot. ffs

Liars lose the privilege of being believed without evidence. The infant atrocities card has been played too often in the past to go without question. And the right wing lies constantly, compulsively. That some claims need verification is just tough shit.

Besides, no one is questioning the fact that there was a widespread massacre with hostages taken, and that there needs to be a response.

[quote]R279: I feel like the rabid defense of hamas by some is just a new kind of anti semitism. It’s really disturbing.

Yeah, and that's not happening. Nobody is defending Hamas. That you continue to lie is part of what makes everything you say questionable.

[QUOTE]I feel like the rabid defense of hamas by some is just a new kind of anti semitism. It’s really disturbing.

Could you share and tell us about radical, rabid hamas defenders here, please? I'd really like to know. TIA.

Sure r285. Google Democratic Socialists of America in NYC, for example. Google “Harvard students support Hamas,” for another. Or try googling “Students cheer Hamas.”

[quote]R286: Google Democratic Socialists of America in NYC, for example.

Nothing specific leaps out. There's an internal struggle over the group's response to the Gaza conflict; a Michigan member has withdrawn his support.

[quote]Google “Harvard students support Hamas,” for another.

What comes up is mainly Harvard students' attempts to distance themselves from a social media statement supporting Hamas. Most were not aware what they were signing onto, or the statement was altered after they signed it.

[quote]Or try googling “Students cheer Hamas.”

This one is all over the place. One wonders if it's anything like the widespread false claims in the wake of 9/11 of Palestinians cheering in the streets of NY and NJ over the falling towers - videos propagated by the Right were proven to be fake. There can also be pockets of students being misled by online disinformation, not actually understanding what has happened. Social media is full of accounts attempting to mislead people about the attack on Israel.

Asshole comment about perpetrators about something for hypothetical situations, like when Musk ODs on Ketamine YET AGAIN? The latter: totally believable.

I wonder if the Israeli military could put the Palestinians in reeducation camps and de-Islamize them.

[r286] - thank you for replying. I understand distinctions even though I'm Spanish from hundreds of miles away.

It's what authorities want...

[quote]Nothing specific leaps out ..

[quote]Harvard students' attempts to distance themselves from THEIR social media statement supporting Hamas ..

[quote]This one is all over the place. One wonders ..

R287 What sheer, utter dishonesty. Even AOC was forced to distance herself from Dem Soc America demonstrations of support for Hamas in Times Square over the weekend.

Thirty Harvard student orgs signed a letter supporting Hamas. Then they heard that a billionaire hedge funder and other CEOs wanted their names so as to make sure not to hire them—now they’re scrambling to distance themselves.

Someone asked for examples of support for Hamas in the US. You’ve tried to pretend they never happened. You cover yourself in glory.

Poisoned Dragon will never believe what he refuses to believe, despite all the evidence being provided.

It is Leftists who support Hamas.

I think this attack will make Americans realize that 1) the left is crazy, and 2) we need to secure our borders and need to be more discriminatory about who we let in.

In short, the future does not look good for Democrats.

Watched the ABC World News with Muir and one of the things I thought was a nice touch was that the Israelis have left the dead Hamas bodies on the ground to rot, wrapped in a white body bag with the word terrorist written on it.

R283: “ I think anyone putting up a defense of well let’s wait and see if the slaughtered infants were beheaded or not before we judge too harshly has lost the fucking plot. ffs”

Those people are also still waiting for actual proof that the Holocaust happened. Joy Reid hasn’t confirmed it for them. So they wait. Skeptical.

[quote]In short, the future does not look good for Democrats.

Yes, we can only be grateful the republican't party is so well organized, offers such appealing candidates and has soooo many positions on soooo many topics that appeal to voters.

Does anyone feel like we are seeing much more graphic material at the moment than we did at the beginning of the Ukraine invasion?

It's very full on. So terrible.

[quote] Biden saw the pictures of beheaded babies

Only in one of his usual alternate realities.

Yet again the White House has to walk back what Joe says he definitely saw.

More from the WSJ opinion piece:

“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!” chant the useful idiots at elite institutions and parades in the West. Who are these people? Atheists who support theocratic lunatics, democrats who endorse medieval tyrants, feminists who defend misogynists who parade with the desecrated corpses of women, gays who defend maniacs who would joyfully hang them or toss them off the roof of a tall building. They talk of a secular, democratic and socialist Palestine. As George Orwell observed: “One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool.” But the world has now seen what “from the river to the sea” actually means. It is nothing less than a remake of the Nazi Einsatzgruppen.

I’ll add that there was a large pro-Hamas march in mid-town Manhattan on Monday because I saw it from my office window.

...

Israel expelled its own population from Gaza in 2005 so that Palestinian Arabs could begin building their own state. They instead chose Hamas. The enemies of Israel aren’t in favor of a Palestinian state. They aren’t in favor of anything positive, but only of a negative: the denial of life, especially of Jewish life. The goal is genocide. The method is mass murder of the type Jews haven’t experienced since the Holocaust.

Yes, R297. I don't remember seeing anything quite like this in my lifetime.

R294, the Israelis should rain the decomposing corpses of their martys from helicopters into the center of Gaza City and Tehran. Here you go, you fuckers who love death more than life. Your allah is ackbar indeed!

R297, this is why, from the WSJ opinion piece...

It has been the policy of the state of Israel not to show what its enemies do to its citizens. That both kept the victims’ dignity and prevented the demoralization of Israelis. But it also avoided letting the world see clearly what kind of threat Israelis were dealing with. What kind of true evil they are fighting against. Now that is clear. The videos showing mass murder; the kidnapping of children, elderly and women; the storming of a music festival to shoot and kill whatever person they could find; and the stories of rape, execution and utter destruction are there for the world to see.

These images and videos were propagated by the assassins themselves. They use them to show their strength and prove Israeli weakness. To demonstrate to the Palestinian Arab population that the Jews can be killed like flies. What does it say of a society that these monsters think this type of “propaganda” is a “good” way to mobilize the population? It screams of a deeply perverse and murderous culture, in love with death and destruction. It is the same culture that teaches toddlers to hate. The same society that pays wages to mass murderers and celebrates on the streets with sweets and shootings when Jews get killed. It is the culture that creates the types of monsters capable of the evil they themselves proudly show to the world through social media.

The terrorists themselves are proudly posting their depravity on social media and elsewhere. It is a a big "fuck you" to humanity. As all people who commit evil, they believe they are in the right and are doing good and they dare us all to have the courage to fight back. I doubt we do.

The WH has not ruled out sending in US combat troops. That does not mean they are considering sending them in either.

Do we actually have proof that they persecute gays and that women aren't treated well? Muslim countries are utopia. It's just western conspiracy to say otherwise. Allah is great!

Are you posting from a hang glider R307?

Here we go again, talk of evil and monsters. Hawks circling

[quote]Do we actually have proof that they persecute gays and that women aren't treated well?

They've never thrown a gay man off a roof in front of me.

They shouldn't have danced in front of the bullets!

- A Democratic Socialist of America explains the rave massacre for you.

Why do people keep saying true evil, true evil. This is humanity, this is who we are. Look back to the middle ages and all the boiling people alive, setting them on fire, stripping the skin off them while alive and so on. Was that not evil, or is this not how humans have been since the dawn of time. We just like to pretend we are not like that.

R309 How is the verified footage we've all been seeing not evil perpetrated by monsters? Seems an apt description to me. How would you describe it?

"How would you describe it?"

As some people doing some things.

R312, I think there is a growing awareness of how capable everyone of us is of committing evil. The mistake we make is in denying it, in denying our primal nature. We are all very capable of evil, we are all very tribal, we are more comfortable with kin and people who look like us. We now know that our brains are wired in ways that helped us survive 10,000 years ago but are detrimental to our survival as a species now.

Instead of denying these things, we have to find ways of structuring society in awareness of these things. I'm not sure we will before we destroy ourselves. This is why identity politics is so dangerous and destructive. It feeds a very old and dark part of the human psyche.

identity politics for white guys is just called “politics”

All people are capable of evil. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be called out as evil. In fact, imho it makes it even more important to call it out. I don’t want to go back to boiling people live and I question the motives of anyone who says that giving in to serial killer type behaviors is inevitable, unavoidable or acceptable.

Also, 23andme finally sent an email to users about the hack last night. They don’t mention the targeting of Ashkenazi Jews.

Evil

It’s an amazing fact that every time in modern history a people or country go off to fight they are fighting evil or righting wrongs. . Not once has any people ever declared war on a country or people they see as a good country or people doing good things, it’s always the bad guys they oppose.

WTF is it with Auburn University?

[quote]Does anyone feel like we are seeing much more graphic material at the moment than we did at the beginning of the Ukraine invasion? It's very full on. So terrible.

Russia filmed and shared many of its torture videos. Rape, including children, beheadings, mutilation, castration, elaborate painful medieval deaths. But they stayed mainly on Russian Telegram channels.

The videos filmed by Hamas are getting a much bigger audience because there is a much bigger Muslim audience, because the victims are Jewish/Israeli and because men like seeing women raped.

Because the media is whorish in their need to show gruesome visuals and give the caveat: might contain upsetting images.

[quote]In short, the future does not look good for Democrats.

What the future doesn't look good for is the fractured Republican party and for the hard left Democrats like the Squad (bar AOC who has figured it out.) They will probably get re-elected but their influence will be limited even further going forward.

As to the future, Google or DuckDuckGo why to Democrats keep winning elections and look at the news story returns. If that's a definition of not looking good for Democrats, I imagined they'd take it.

And in other news a country that firebombed a city and killed 100,000 civilians in one night of bombing is advising Israel to observe the rules of war.

How soon before the MAGAts start parroting the opinion that Israel is the enemy?

10,000 assault rifles purchased for civilian security teams

Guns, helmets and body armor to be distributed to hundreds of residents of border regions, mixed Jewish-Arab cities, West Bank settlements

Thank you, r326. And you know which US-educated Israeli is having none of it?

That's right.

On Wednesday, President Joe Biden said he saw "pictures of terrorists beheading children."

Hours later, a National Security official walked back those comments.

The official told NPR Biden was referring to media reports about the attack in Israel.

[quote] Hours later, a National Security official walked back those comments.

Trying to clean up Joe's "confusion" is just another day in the Biden White House

The orange tramp is bloviating about how stupid Israeli officials are and how smart the terrorists are and how he would have kept it from happening.

Shameful. How can anyone vote for this fool?

A journalist has confirmed he has seen photos of babies shot in the head and burned. Still no decapitated babies so I guess that means Hamas aren’t all that bad.

@PoisonousDragon

Trump adores cruelty and deceit, so Hamas gets the gold star from him.

And what does Trump hear on TV right now assuming he is watching CNN and not watching Fox

Crowds of citizens surrounding our SecState and chanting

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

[quote] The orange tramp is bloviating about how stupid Israeli officials are and how smart the terrorists

Try dong something unusual on datalounge. Be honest.

It is fair and realistic to compliment Hamas and Iran's excellently orchestrated attack. They outsmarted the "best" intelligence services in the world.

Just as the failure of Mossad and America's National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and CIA's total misreading of the situation should be criticized.

[quote] Biden's National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said that the Middle East was the calmest it has been in decades, bringing to the forefront other controversial foreign policy decisions the Biden adviser has been involved with over the last decade.

Pictures of burned babies for Poisoned Dragon and the other Hamas fanbois to salivate over. Still no decapitated babies though.

Netanyahu just posted photos of the charred baby corpses on his Twitter account, said he showed them to Blinken earlier today. They are extremely graphic.

I don't want to see that so I don't look. But we're at the stage now I wouldn't trust anything I see on Twitter that doesn't come from an organization that has credibility to protect in the long term.

[quote]Netanyahu just posted photos of the charred baby corpses on his Twitter account, said he showed them to Blinken earlier today. They are extremely graphic.

I totally believe everything I see on Twitter X.

Trump is fighting satanic cannibalistic pedophiles.

It's hard to take I'm becoming so desensitized to the images. It's almost like looking at dummies, sad to say.

It's hard to know what is real and what isn't. People want control of your mind and deep faked AI images and propaganda can be very compelling.

I wish all of humanity was non-violent.

Hamas stop killing Israelis. 1200 Israelis dead Israel Stop bombing Gaza, please. 1400 dead Palestinians in four days.

R320, almost all perpetrators of evil believe they are doing good, either to perpetuate an ideology or religion they think is right or good for humanity, acquire land and resources for their people, or to eradicate what they see as evil.

The world never believed the stories told by escapees about the brutalities and mass murders in the Nazis' concentration camps---UNTIL THE PHOTOS.

Is Netanyahu right to show the latest photographs bearing witness? I don't know. But there are---in the face of videos of mass slaughter of music fans and kidnappings of women, young and old---those who still believe that Hamas, Hezbollah, PFLP, etc. have a line of savagery even terrorists would not cross, and so will not believe the stories of deliberate evil coming out of Israel.

For them, the photos.

R344 Then show them dear. Don't be stingy.

God punishes the nations that hurt the Jews.

If there is one fun thing that I can get out of my, so far, hopes dashed, death-watch on Trump to finally topple over dead from a massive coronary or heart attack, it's that Republicans wish that even more than me.

Turn off autoplay on social media, R341

Woke news broadcaster MSNBC lost 33 percent of its primetime viewers during its coverage of the Israel Hamas war.

The outlet's viewer figures were down 24 percent overall for the four days between October 7 and 10 which saw the outbreak of war between Israel and Hamas terrorists.

By comparison the shocking events saw a leap in Fox News's audience, up 42 percent, and in CNN's coverage, which saw a 17 percent rise in viewers.

'These numbers tell you a lot about MSNBC, which excels at Trump-era liberal therapy but can’t match others during global historic events' Puck media reporter Dylan Byers wrote.

MSNBC has come under fire for its coverage of the atrocities in Israel with an an Israeli mother whose two sons were take hostage by Hamas exploding at MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell on Tuesday night when asked how she feels about Israel's counterstrikes in Gaza.

Renana Gomeh, whose two sons age 12 and 16 were kidnapped by Hamas, became visibly irritated when Mitchell asked her feelings on the attacks in Gaza.

'I can’t be sympathetic anymore. I can’t be sympathetic to animal human beings — well, they’re not really human beings — who came into my house, broke everything,' said Gomeh.

'Stole everything, took my children from their bedrooms and took them to the Gaza Strip.'

By contrast Fox News reporter Trey Yingst has won praise for his fearless coverage of the shocking scenes unfolding in the Middle East.

The Israeli Defense Force took reporters including Yingst's Fox News crew to Be'eri, just three miles from the Gaza border, on Tuesday

CNN correspondent Clarissa Ward has also won plaudits for her bravery after being forced to take cover in a ditch as rockets fire overhead near the Israeli border with the Gaza Strip.

Oh, shutty, r345, DEAR. I don't need them, haven't seen them, will not seek them out. I believe the reports (and no, I didn't believe the "Kuwaiti babies in incubators" and "yellow cake uranium in mobile bio labs" lies of Colin Powell).

[QUOTE] God punishes the nations that hurt the Jews.

Oh okay. Glad we've got clarity on that.

Why is biden claiming he's seen videos of beheadings?

I am still finding it so hard to reconcile what Hamas did on the weekend. I know that sounds naive. But there's the usual bag of violent arms attacks that characterizes these kinds of things and then there's the savagery being described from Saturday. I don't know what they were thinking. Was it kind of a last gasp? That they know they are authoring their own destruction so decided to go big? It's just... it is so out of context for me... not trying to be smartass but overkill. What did they think they would accomplish?

They just showed one baby photo on CNN.

Joint psy-op between CIA and Mossad, R353. Don't believe everything you see in the MSM.

[quote] I don't need them, haven't seen them, will not seek them out.

Well honey, don't that just beat all.

Photos of atrocities can easily be manufactured by AI. Israel is known for it's tech prowess.

You do the math.

Thanks, Tin.

The images of the slaughtered babies are horrible. It would have been better to behead them and end the inhumanity that Hamas inflicted on them.

Why does Biden keep comparing his son Beau to the Israelis?

Your anti-Israel stance isn't going unnoticed, r357.

So the IDF and Israeli journalists did lie about the ‘40 beheaded babies’ and the international media just ran headlines on it without doing any journalistic confirmation work of their own? Because of their agenda which is sympathetic towards Israel. Hmmmmm.

R362 Israel propaganda is called hasbara, and they are experts. It's not enough that innocent civilians were murdered, because the IDF murders civilians all the time. They have to ramp up the gore, make it personal, make it gruesome beyond all understanding. Then they can call the Arabs animals and slaughter of all them, like "drugged cockroaches in a bottle."

R357, You must love the letter Q.

Oh, okay, r355. We'll believe you, King of All-Access.

But let's give credence to every bit of Palestinian allegations of Israeli crimes against humanity. Because Hamas supporters and voters would never make up tales.

On the 1948 Day of Independence, Israel was attacked by Arab states. Some Palestinians had stayed in Israel; others had fled. Not surprisingly, there are two schools of thought---Arab and Zionist---as to the causes of the latter.

In either case, this year---no need to go back to the BCE days of yore---was the watershed moment when those pesky non-Israeli Semites just couldn't stop themselves from either attacking Israel or, as in the 6-Day War and based on intelligence findings, being pre-emptively attacked. Losing every single time.

Multiple countries' armed forces vs. Israel. Leaders vowing to drive Israel into the sea. School geography textbooks erasing Israel from maps. Finally, organized terrorism. (Yeah, yeah, the Haganah. Got it. Wars for independence aren't pretty. Context: WW II.)

I'm sure we all are familiar with the accepted Rule of War that "to the victor, the spoils."

Hence, more loss of territory. The Palestinians want it back. Offers have been made over the years, including the Camp David Accords. Good luck with that now.

THE major issue to which Israel will never accede, is the so-called "Right of Return." That is, every Palestinian or descendent of those who fled/ were expelled (whichever you believe) in 1948 should be allowed back into Israel, reclaiming homes and land.

Israel, having been formed to be an autonomous and specifically Jewish state, would be demographically altered by the now-millions of Arabs claiming this RoR.

IOW, my point: There have been attacks. There have been wars. There have been peace offers and counter-offers. But as long as the Palestinians demand RoR, they can whistle into the wind.

A Jewish BBC sports reporter today resigned from his job because of his bosses' refusal to describe Hamas as terrorists.

Noah Abrahams, who is 22 and worked on BBC Radio Derby, said the decision was 'unjustified' and words have the power 'to fuel hate and put fuel on the fire'.

In the name of impartiality, the BBC refers to Hamas as a 'militant' group and described the slaughter of civilians as a 'militant' attack.

Explaining his decision to quit, Mr Abrahams told TalkTV: 'I have morals and I stick by them. I think the BBC's refusal to use the correct terminology is unjustified.

Good Morning Britain presenter Susanna Reid touched on the issue of what to call Hamas on today's show and made a thinly-veiled swipe at the BBC, saying: 'We very clearly call them 'terrorists'. I mean, it was an act of terror what happened - it was a barbaric atrocity.'

It followed a statement from Buckingham Palace last night which said King Charles 'condemns the barbaric acts of terrorism against Israel', while a spokesman for the Prince and Princess of Wales referred to the country's 'right of self defence' after 'Hamas's terrorist attack'.

Later, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle also released a statement through their Archewell Foundation which said the couple 'stand against all acts of terrorism and brutality'.

Many of the world's leading media organisations have called Hamas terrorists in their reporting, including famously Left-wing outlets such as the New York Times and The Guardian. ITV does not have a fixed policy on the issue but has also described them as terrorists.

The BBC refers to Hamas as a 'militant' group and described the slaughter of civilians as a 'militant' attack.

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BBC has always slanted it's presentation pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli

R362 is a Hamas fanboi full of shit.

NO MEDIA ORGANISATION RAN THE STORY THAT 40 BABIES WERE BEHEADED.

Some journalists reported stories that up to 40 babies had been murdered, SOME of which were beheaded.

But the story that ISRAEL LIED ABOUT 40 BEHEADED BABIES has now become as much a story as babies burned and shot and is used to push the idea that Israel is lying about the rapes, the tortures and hostages.

Some Hamas sympathisers have tried to push the idea that the German girl who was in the back of the jeep and spat on is alive. Some Hamas sympathisers have tried to push the idea that the kids at the music festival were killed accidentally in crossfire between Hamas and the IDF rather than directly targeted.

If you are relaxed about dead Jews, just fucking say that. Don't do the conspiracy bullshit.

A little late closing the bar door

It still shocks me that the BBC decided to make a story about Jewish kids being attacked in London not about the kids being victims, but fabricating a racist slur said by one of the kids during the attack.

[quote] Some journalists reported stories that up to 40 babies had been murdered, SOME of which were beheaded.

Is that true? Forty babies murdered? Source?

[quote] Some Hamas sympathisers have tried to push the idea that the German girl who was in the back of the jeep and spat on is alive.

Girl her own family were saying that, you’re so braindead lol.

Look at the 1300+ names of the dead and their ages and count the babies yourself.

Is you unwillingness to accept that Hamas shot babies because you think Hamas wouldn't stoop so low or you just think "fucking lying Jews"

R355, the islamic terrorists are the one posting horrific videos and photos all over the internet. They are proud to be emulating their peaceful prophet, with brutal murders, rapes and enslavements of men, women and children. Inshallah, baby, the world is wakin up thanks to these truly mohammadian men.

I will never understand those in the gay community who blindly support a group that would no sooner have them beheaded for existing.

I hope you get raped!

R367, contributing its own spin to misinformation. None of the funds had been released to Iran. So the “bar door” was not closed a little late.

R374, unfortunately, that probably happens to the woman every night by her husband/cousin.

[QUOTE] I will never understand those in the gay community who blindly support a group that would no sooner have them beheaded for existing.

Because some of us are able to walk and chew gum at the same time, unlike one dimensionals like you toots.

[quote] Look at the 1300+ names of the dead and their ages and count the babies yourself.

There's a list? With ages?

Probably one of those settlers R374. Those people are evil.

NBC NEWS: Netanyahu’s office shared today three photos on X that it described as babies killed by Hamas.

Earlier in the day, U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken acknowledged in a news conference that he was shown the photographs and videos from the Israeli government.

"It’s hard to find the right words. It’s beyond what anyone would ever want to imagine, much less actually see and God forbid experience. A baby, an infant riddled with bullets. Soldiers beheaded. Young people burned alive in their cars or in their hideaway rooms," he said.

yeah, because netanyahoo and IDF are a reliable source of unbiased info. Meh.

Lol, Babylon Bee, r373??? Try harder.

I wonder when the ground troops in Israel will move into Gaza. I imagine it will be under the cover of night but I'm no expert.

It's almost 9 PM now, so they may be on the move.

Jewish schools across Europe are closing tomorrow ahead of a day of "action" by Hamas supporters.

I will absolutely not look at the pictures of atrocities that have been released, the descriptions are bad enough. I understand Netanyahu's decision to release them so that the world can see what monsters Hamas are as well as proving they're not making this shit up.

Every government should start tailing every one who shows up on the day of action. Terrorists.

r377 and r382 just say you hate the Jews more than yourselves. It's quicker.

R352 I definitely believe there have been beheadings, after all, the Muslims are known for doing that (like the gay guy in Iran tying to flee to Türkiye a while back). I also believe that Biden gets "confused". I would still support a confused Biden over a Republican.

Of course there have been beheadings. That's their MO. And as someone who has also seen videos of beheadings (years ago, not related to the current conflict), it is probably one of the most violent and evil actions a human could commit against a human being. Seeing that shit really fucked me up. Would highly advise against anyone seeking such images out.

R385 it’s not a day of action for Hamas supporters. You just keep making shit up.

R387 what you’re proposing is unconstitutional in the US 🙄 and against the international human right to free expression.

A “doxxing truck” is driving around the campus of Harvard University with digital billboards that display the names and photos of students who allegedly signed a letter blaming Israel for Hamas’ violent attack that killed more than 1,200 people over the weekend.

Giant video screens hung on the sides and back of the truck display the words “Harvard’s Leading Antisemites” in gothic script over a slideshow of Ivy Leaguers’ headshots and names in bold, red block letters, according to photos on social media.

Nonprofit news watchdog Accuracy in Media was behind the truck, which showed the students involved in the 34 student groups that signed a letter saying Israel is “entirely responsible” for Hamas’ deadly attack on Saturday.

The truck’s surprise appearance around campus on Wednesday “was the first day [of a] multi-day, multi-pronged campaign involving multiple billboards and a variety of other tactics,” Accuracy in Media president Adam Guillette told The Post.

The group deployed the truck because it’s “incredibly important to know who the hateful antisemites are in our society. And it’s important for people to know that their actions have consequences,” Guillette said in an interview with The Post.

Students walk through a gate at Harvard University, Thursday, June 29, 2023. 6 The group deployed the truck because it’s “incredibly important to know who the hateful antisemites are in our society.”AP

“Our mobile billboards will be at Harvard for the foreseeable future,” he said, noting that Accuracy in Media “never violates any laws.”

Photos of the truck shared on social media blocked out the names and photos of the students.

The vehicle also displayed the website HarvardHatesJews.com, which leads to a forum that encourages users to send an email to members of Harvard’s board of trustees.

Many countries have laws against supporting terrorism, so you're argument doesn't pass muster.

[quote]10,000 assault rifles purchased for civilian security teams.Guns, helmets and body armor to be distributed to hundreds of residents of border regions, mixed Jewish-Arab cities, West Bank settlements

It's been several days, and the more I read (and am horrified) I keep wondering why the HELL the people on those rural kibbutzes - some just a MILE away from the Gaza border - weren't armed to the teeth. These men and women with young families, didn't have guns in their homes - does Israel have some kind of strict gun control law?

I keep reading about the families crowding into internal saferooms, only to see the doors blown off and terrorist get in to slaughter and kidnap them. No one had guns or gun training? In south Israel, with all of the strife and danger, so close to Gaza/Hamas?

I did see that most of the settlements seemed well-fortified, with metal entry gates, with high walls topped with circular barbed wire. That's ok, but clearly wasn't enough. I'm just shocked....there are American households near the Mexican border (hell, not even near the border) filled to the brim with guns/ammo, with all adults trained to use in case of home invasion.

There were a few stray stories about settlements that were armed, and used them - those sustained nearly no losses, and killed nearly all of the invaders.

Want to add to my post above r394, why in the hell weren't there IDF/army outposts blanketing south Israel? I read it took hours, in some cases 10 to 12 HOURS, for the army to arrive to attacked settlements to free and assist them. That is insane - Israel is not that large of a country, and their army is sizable.

I'm aware that much of the IDF may have been stationed at the north borders, near Lebanon, which is such a trouble spot. They may also have been fortifying the larger cities. But in a region so close to the Hamas-infested Gaza Strip, why wasn't there a larger IDF presence?

I also get that Israel's main concern has been rockets and shelling, so they've heavily invested in the Iron Dome defense and other similarly focused efforts. That has protected Tel Aviv well, and the larger cities. But these rural settlements were left badly exposed here. They never assumed there might be a terrorist-led land invasion?

And there have been articles and questions in recent years regarding the potential use of drones, human-carrying or otherwise, being used for small warfare or terror acts, both in the US and abroad. In this case, it was paragliders, which have been around for recreational use for years. I'm just shocked that no one thought of these possibilities, especially an advanced military country like Israel that is so security-obsessed. Where was the failure here?

Apartheid?

A "doxxing truck", you say r392?

[quote] A “doxxing truck” is driving around the campus of Harvard University with digital billboards that display the names and photos of students who allegedly signed a letter blaming Israel for Hamas’ violent attack that killed more than 1,200 people over the weekend.

Thank goodness. People who support terrorism should nowhere find shelter. Everyone posting disinformation about Israel and supporting Palestinian terrorism should be outed.

Bring back pillories!

[quote] Many countries have laws against supporting terrorism, so you're argument doesn't pass muster.

The protestors are not supporting Hamas they are sympathizing with the Palestinian cause, for the safety and dignity of regular Palestinians.

Q —Gramps what did you do in the Great War of your generation?

A —I drove a doxxing truck

R401. Beats shoveling shit in Louisiana!

Q - Thempa what did you do in the Great War of your generation?

A - I wrote an article blaming Israel for making Hamas interrupt their weekend to burn Jew babies.

R402

Or being killed while riding in your Jeep.

.... and then I lost my job

An alleged or future press release from NYU Law School :

“We expect to see a significant decline in donations to the law school”

Posters of the Israeli hostages were put up in London today and young people were filmed ripping them up. One of the young women was so angry she would definitely take up arms against Jews and the other couple looked like a gay and his fag hag out shopping. The girl looked embarrassed, more so at the prospect of being exposed and the guy looks pleased with himself.

NYU Law Student rebolutionarie wimp out to protoect theri paychecks

𝐍𝐘𝐔 𝐋𝐚𝐰 𝐒𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐨𝐥 𝐁𝐚𝐫 𝐀𝐬𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐯𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐑𝐄𝐌𝐎𝐕𝐄 𝐧𝐨𝐧-𝐛𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐫𝐲 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐜𝐥𝐚𝐢𝐦𝐞𝐝 𝐇𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐬' 𝐬𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐢𝐧 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐰𝐚𝐬 '𝐍𝐄𝐂𝐄𝐒𝐒𝐀𝐑𝐘'

he NYU Law School Bar Association is voting on whether to oust their president after she sparked fury by claiming Hamas atrocities against Israel were 'necessary'.

Ryna Workman, 24, conflated the internationally-recognized terror group's attacks with 'Palestinian resistance' and claimed Israel 'bears full responsibility'.

The non-binary student now faces being removed from her post as the SBA as the group revealed 'multiple students' have received 'death threats' due to her article.

Hamas, which controls the Palestinian enclave of Gaza, attacked Israel on Saturday in the worst breach of the country's defenses since Arab armies waged war in 1973. Israel has responded with air strikes on Gaza.

Distancing themselves from Workman's Monday article - headed 'Message from the President' - the student group said Tuesday it did not 'write, approve, or see' it.

'The 'Message from the President' reflects their personal views and does not represent the views of SBA as an organization or any of its officers,' the group said in a statement.

They added that board members had voted to 'initiate the removal' of Workman and they would conduct hearings from October 17 as part of the process.

'Multiple students have received significant targeted harassment and death threats,' they said.

'We are horrified by these vile personal attacks and threats to students' safety. The doxxing of any NYU Law student is unacceptable and disturbing.'

The group issued a second statement on Wednesday to clarify that it condemned Hamas violence.

'As the violence in Israel persists, and we continue to struggle with feelings of anger and sorrow at the tragic loss of innocent lives, we need to make several things abundantly clear on behalf of the NYU Law Board of Trustees and our Law School as a whole,' they said.

NYU Law unequivocally condemns the recent terrorist acts and the atrocities perpetrated by Hamas in Israel.

'The murder and kidnapping of civilians, and the use of sexual violence and the separation and torture of children, are all abominable and atrocious.

'We want to say, loud and clear, to our community: Any statement that does not recognize this brutality does not reflect the values of NYU Law.'

I knew there was was a capitalist somewhere inside those crazy, loud mouthed kids!

The dream continues!

I just donated money for humanitarian aid to Gaza. Will it get to them? I hope so. They’re going to need it after a portion of my tax dollars got spent mowing them down. I better watch out though, I might be accused of supporting Hamas, which I don’t .

[quote]A “doxxing truck” is driving around the campus of Harvard University with digital billboards that display the names and photos of students who allegedly signed a letter blaming Israel for Hamas’ violent attack that killed more than 1,200 people over the weekend. Giant video screens hung on the sides and back of the truck display the words “Harvard’s Leading Antisemites” in gothic script over a slideshow of Ivy Leaguers’ headshots and names in bold, red block letters, according to photos on social media.

I fully support this.

I saw a tweet from a young doctor who on Saturday who said he was appalled how many of his fellow professionals were supporting mass murder. The response from some were absolutely vile. I've logged a few and have been going through their profiles to find out where they work, what their specialties are.

One doctor in her 30s (*a white cis queer woman!) was especially vile toward him and I looked through her tweets and there was anti Israel (Jewish) stuff for YEARS, some of which comes close to full blown Holocaust denial. Hardcore Corbyn handmaiden naturally. She's since locked her account as there was some media coverage but I followed her with an alt account before that and am watching her have a racist melt down, screen grabbing the new ones and finding disgusting old ones. There are also some grossly unprofessional tweets discussing patients and colleagues.

Just saying that when *I* bought a new house in a small town *I* didn't post photos on social media complete with door number. LOL

[QUOTE]No one had guns or gun training? In south Israel, with all of the strife and danger, so close to Gaza/Hamas?

This puzzles me, too, r394. Because almost everyone in Israel has had gun training because military service is compulsory for all able bodied man and women. (The ultra Orthodox are exempt, a huge sore point among average Israelis.) A friend's father moved to Israel to take a faculty position at Hebrew University in his 40s, but not before completing his required time in the IDF.

So Israelis are much more qualified to handle firearms than the average American who buys an automatic rifle.

What can be done? The west unleashed radical islamism across the middle east, blindly funding it during the post ww2 power grab and cold war frenzy. If there was any chance of establishing a moderate democratized middle east the state should have been prepared from the start to tell the public it would be a multi-generational project, not just multi-decade. Radical islamism has a powerful hold now on multiple generations of arabs across many nations both sunni and shia - what can you do other than crush it with a hammer and return to permanent occupation of the middle east? There's no way out - and what do you do about the clerical influence of Saudi Arabia and Iran maintaining the ideological influence of hardline Islamism? As long as we are oil dependent we're in a weak position with them and Iran is backed by adversaries as we decline in power.

The issue of what to do with the Palestinians comes down to the failure of the west to throw its weight around - the heartless wealth hoarding warlord nations of the region don't give a fuck about refugees from some other place and we set the entire area up as a zone for resource proxy wars with the Soviets and capitulate constantly to their weak governments so as not to disrupt various financial dealings etc.

Link, r411?

The link to the doxxing truck is above, r415. You just need to scroll up a little.

A criminal policy of revenge is underway. Since Saturday, Israel has dropped hundreds of tons of bombs on Gaza. Netanyahu’s call for residents to leave is a farce with no bearing on reality. The Gaza Strip is closed off on all sides and the residents have no way out. There are no shelters and no way to seek cover from airstrikes. Among the people killed, some of them still trapped under debris, are entire families wiped out in a single bombardment – including at least 140 minors and 105 women. The death toll is rising by the minute.

The order to prefer damage over precision has also been carried out. Hundreds of homes already lie in ruins, including residential towers reduced to rubble and houses that collapsed on top of the inhabitants. More than 180,000 people have been internally displaced. Roads and public buildings, including schools and medical clinics, have been damaged by airstrikes. Hospitals are functioning only partially – some were damaged by bombing, and all are severely lacking medical equipment and fuel for electric generators.

The decision to imprison Gaza even more tightly than usual has also been implemented. The crossings are closed and goods cannot be brought in. Israel has disconnected Gaza from the power grid and the population now depends on the small local power plant, which will only hold out for several days until the diesel fuel runs out. Water is also in short supply: almost all the water extracted in Gaza requires desalination or purification to drink, and these rely on electricity. Israel has also cut back on the water it sells to Gaza, and part of the water network has been damaged by bombing.

There is no justification for these actions, which constitute war crimes openly ordered by top Israeli officials. Even in the face of horror and terror – intentionally harming civilians, their property and civilian infrastructure is always prohibited. One crime does not justify another, nor does one kind of injustice justify another. Acts of revenge are prohibited by basic moral principles and by the provisions of international law that Israel is obliged to uphold.

Contrary to what Israeli ministers are implying, this policy is not new, but has been implemented towards Gaza for many years. The death, destruction, pain and horror it has wrought have led to nothing but more horror. It is time to demand to a different reality – a new future for all those who live here.....

R400, they are cheering the Hamas attacks on Israel.

R400

Many are supporting Hamas and the “resistance”. Now they are going to pay the price for un-timely support for those that had just massacred babies, toddlers, woman, and the elderly. Bad timing for sure.

Now they will pay the price. And they like Hamas will be hunted exposed doxxed and fired. Although the hunting for the supporters will finally end. It’s never going to end for Hamas.

French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin on Thursday announced a systematic ban on pro-Palestinian demonstrations in France, amid the war between Hamas and Israel.

Darmanin sent “strict instructions” to ban “pro-Palestinian demonstrations because they are likely to generate public order disturbances."

“The organization of these prohibited demonstrations should lead to arrests,” the minister said.

Can't even get a damn falafel wrap in peace around these here parts, now.

It will not be pleasant anywhere in NYC the next few days. The Palestinian supporters are going to be fucking steaming. I see all kinds of shit breaking out. Stay out of midtown tomorrow, for sure.

r422 I'm like 20 minutes away from Dearborn, MI. Luckily, I kinda look Middle Eastern and can blend. I absolutely will have my falafel wrap and crushed lentil soup tuh-DAY. It's delicious. Damn it.

NYPD cancels vacations and instructs all members to show up in uniform tomorrow as pro-Palestinian groups plan a "global day of rage."

You know how you prevent bombs raining down on Gaza? You don't orchestrate a vile, brutal attack on civilians in Israel.

Hamas knew this would happen and wanted both Israeli and Palestinian civilians as bargaining chips.

Now we're supposed to believe that the Gazans are prisoners of Hamas except that Palestinians in other countries are celebrating them, not repudiating them.

Statements deploring the violence in Israel would be a good start.

R418 no they’re not. They’re demonstrating support for the Palestinian people, who have suffered under apartheid for years and will suffer more greatly now. That does not mean they are celebrating attacks on Israelis.

[quote]23andme finally sent an email to users about the hack last night. They don’t mention the targeting of Ashkenazi Jews.

LMFAO, Anyone who has taken a 23 and Me DNA test knows 98% come up as having 1% Askenazi Jew. It really a stupid thing because even they say percentages that are are highly inaccurate. Anything lower than even 5% is still just a DNA guess, margin of error. In fact there's usually that amount on the text that cant even be identified.

[quote]They’re demonstrating support for the Palestinian people, who have suffered under apartheid for years and will suffer more greatly now.

r426 And their timing couldn't be worse. It's called optics and reading the fucking room.

Hamas really are stupid animals. Butchering babies in their cribs and burning civilians alive is the work of slimy cockroaches.

R428 are you seriously that stupid?

So now you get doxxed if you criticize a foreign country you aren't even a citizen of. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

[quote]They’re demonstrating support for the Palestinian people, who have suffered under apartheid for years and will suffer more greatly now. That does not mean they are celebrating attacks on Israelis.

Clearly.

[quote]"We are out here to support Palestine and to support the Palestinian resistance," said a student who organized the UNC-Chapel Hill rally and wished not to be identified. The flyer for the protest used imagery of a paraglider, which Hamas utilized in an attack.

[QUOTE]Pro-Palestinians outraged over attacks in Dearborn

Has Governor Whitmer at least called out the National Guard?

^That's not criticism, it's tacit approval of barbarism.

R432 that does not mean protestors are generally supportive of Hamas.

Does this guy in link I’ve attached mean that all people supporting Israeli citizens want all Palestinians dead? I’m not stupid enough to believe so but girl go scrape your own barrel have fun x.

[quote]that does not mean protestors are generally supportive of Hamas.

Yes, I'm sure using the image of a paraglider to promote the event was sheer coincidence.

Yes girl, "protestors" are supportive iof Hamas and their fundie religion.

R437 no sorry you’re incorrect. There are outlier supporters of both Israel and Palestine that are out for blood, but the majority of people want peace.

And like I said, if you’re using that example of the image of the paraglider to “prove” that anyone assembling to support Palestinians supports Hamas, then you must accept the opposite is true because of what the people said in the link I provided. That all israel supporters want a Palestinian genocide (which just to be clear, I don’t believe they do want that).

R431

You do realize that it’s not the US Govt doxxing, hunting , exposing and firing those supporters.

So why should the founding fathers give a shit if those that own their own business don’t want to hire these seeming supporters of those that murder children. . Or find these supporters truly objectionable. And people that neither clients or fellow workers would want to be around.

Take a brave stand then face the risks that come with it. Or just STFU to begin with if you can’t face the risks. Or post on DL anonymously.

Just gonna drop this here R439.

Doxx away!

The BBC covered Vivian Silver, one of Israel's most high profile peace activists who regularly visited Gaza. She was able to send messages when her kibbutz was under attack but nobody has heard from her and her house was set on fire.

No idea whether she was butchered and burned to death or taken hostage.

Poor Viv.

From the river to the sea

Remove the Gazans completely

[quote] Anyone who has taken a 23 and Me DNA test knows 98% come up as having 1% Askenazi Jew.

My results state 93.5% Northwestern Europe, and none of the remaining 6.5% is Ashkenazi Jew.

Sigh, I am really getting tired of this public relations media build up from Israel. Just go to war already. Babies being burned! Woman Raped! We got it. Dont need to hear it 5,000 times. You got the green light, we dont need to be primed for the 10s of thousands or million you intend to kill.

Ashkenazi Jew is sort of the catch all from DNA when they cant identify some other piece of DNA from the reason.

Although, I did met one guy who said he came up as 100%! He was bummed out because it's a pretty short list when you come up as a pure one race.

R446

“Sigh”

Oh you poor dear. Such a rough life.

Well its too bad this happened, but the Israelis thought they were going to keep millions bottled up in two tiny ghettos next door while they have fun and party at raves? That was their plan, for the rest of eternity?

I can't believe this situation is even a thing in the modern world.

And there goes one GOP talking attack point

The 6 billion is not being released to Iran.

When did conditions for negotiating a lasting peace with Hezbollah and Hamas ever exist? What compromise would they have agreed to?

R450 continued.

And if it’s correct that the leadership of Iran was caught off guard or surprised by this attack they can thank their Hamas friends for really bad timing. Should have waited until that 6 billion dollar check had been cashed .

[quote] I can't believe this situation is even a thing in the modern world

And then there's Afghanistan. I heard on the news yesterday that there's a dire food shortage and one of the problems the NGO's have is women are not allowed to help distribute the food because... uh, the Taliban hates women and girls?

And are the Chinese still putting Uighers in concentration - I mean "re-education" camps?

And the morality police keep killing young women who dare to wear their scarves the wrong way - because... Islam or something.

And then there's the honor killings, still on-going, again because... all Muslims just hate women and have nothing better to do that to spend umpteen millions torturing them?

I guess R453 is being sarcastic -- hard to sort out -- but whether you like Muslims or not my point still stands. Israel's plan is no plan at all. Eventually it will blow up in their face even worse than Oct. 7. if they don't change course.

Israel should go into Gaza and the West Bank and rape every teenage girl. Then the Palestinians will be so busy murdering their daughters for dishonoring their families that they won’t have time to fight back.

R454, please provide your suggestions. The Palestinians have rejected offer after offer. When the Israelis left Gaza, the Palestinians destroyed greenhouses left out of goodwill by Israelis, started endless rocket fire into Israel, and used donated materials for humanitarian aid into military purposes. I would say that is no plan at all, but Palestinians have been quite clear that their only goal is to overthrow Israel.

^ Bad form.

[quote]When did conditions for negotiating a lasting peace with Hezbollah and Hamas ever exist? What compromise would they have agreed to?

Don’t believe Hezbollah and Hamas have a compromise position. Their position is for Israel to abandon its state entirely. At least Hamas's charter, which is available in translation, is for the obliteration of the Jewish state, and the obliteration of all Jews.

Not sure how to compromise with that.

If Palestinians in Gaza want electricity and water, they need to demand that Hamas release all hostages immediately.

Otherwise, provisions need to be made in Sinai for humanitarian relief for refugees from Gaza—to be paid for by humanitarian NGOs.

Fatah and the P.L.O. have recognized Israel’s statehood. Fatah was driven out of Gaza by Hamas in a conflict in which many Palestinians were killed. The residents of Gaza, who are now ruled by Hamas, are in no position to demand anything, but are going to die anyway.

Yeah, kind of like Berlin in 1945.

I'm not happy about saying this, but I'm starting to realize that the Muslims don't want to live in peace with us. They want us to bow to their god.

Four out of five Jewish Israelis believe the government and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are to blame for the mass infiltration of Hamas terrorists into Israel and the massacre that followed.

An overwhelming majority – 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country’s leadership, while a staggering 92% said the war is causing anxiety.

Furthermore, almost all the respondents (94%) believe the government must bear some responsibility for the lack of security preparedness that led to the assault, with over 75% saying the government holds most of the responsibility.

If they need to do enhanced interrogation on Hamas they can use this:

I'm betting Viv has had sufficient

R461 You JUST realized this? The world has known this for at least 50 years.

R461 is Rose Nyland.

That's stupid r346 and even if that true, Gods fucked up for having a "chosen people." Not much different than Hitler thinking his Ayrans were superior. Pure hogwash.

Balderdash and poppycock.

That girl in the back of the jeep had her limbs all mangled up. I doubt she is surviving that. I hope so but if the hospital is blown up. It's such a fucked up situation.

Why isn't an immediate cease fire being called for?

R469, Hamas is still sending rockets into Israel. And regardless, in what world would Hamas follow a cease fire? These people shot dogs because they were Israeli dogs

Oh no... not puppies?!

A dog’s life is worth more than a Muslim’s life.

[quote] Why isn't an immediate cease fire being called for?

Because Israel is exterminating Hamas. Is this not clear?

[quote]If Palestinians in Gaza want electricity and water, they need to demand that Hamas release all hostages immediately.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen posted on DL in the last couple of days R458.

DEMAND? One thing which has become very clear is that absolutely nobody cares about Palestinian civilians in Gaza. Hamas most certainly doesn't and has set them up to be cannon fodder. Nobody cares what they say or do or if they live or die. The other Arab states don't care. Hamas don't care. Israel don't care.

[bold]46% of the 2.1 million people living in Gaza are 14 years old and under. That's nearly one million little children and babies[/bold]. They didn't do this. Nobody cares what they demand or ask or want. They are all trapped and can't get out. The one exit border crossing which was open to Egypt was bombed by Israel because "tunnels" so the exit is now permanently closed. They don't have food, water, medical supplies or fuel. Gaza is approximately 138 square miles and it is going to turn into a shitfight for daily survival with no food or water very shortly. The Palestinian civilians are just cannon fodder and human shields and Hamas want it that way. This is an extermination.

I 100% support the eradication of Hamas - every single one of them. But I will never get behind the slaughter of any children - be they Israeli or Palestinian and anyone who advocates for this is a terrible, terrible broken person.

R417, Those civilians keep electing Hamas to leadership positions.

Unless you convincingly argue that Hiroshima was a war crime, which it was, you have no moral high ground here.

Israel will take her revenge however she sees fit. The world didn't care enough last century to even bomb the railroad tracks to Auschwitz. Camps in Poland, pogroms in Russia, death squads in Ukraine and Hungary.

Israel has had it. The world can take a seat.

R461, You're quick on the uptake!

R474, there hasn't been an election in Gaza since 2006. Hamas won't allow it.

There were three Palestinian girls

Who were ugly as fuck and bony as squirrels

So Hamas chopped them with blades

Filled their cunts with grenades

And left ‘em for those Jews with the curls

[quote]Those civilians keep electing Hamas to leadership positions.

This is blatantly false. There have been no presidential elections since incumbent Mahmoud Abbas was elected in 2005, and no parliamentary elections since 2006. Hamas declared Abbas illegitimate in 2009. Hamas - knowing they will not be re-elected - have forbidden all further elections. Initially, Hamas came to power with 40% of the total vote.

In a poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in March 2023, 63 percent of respondents in the West Bank and Gaza viewed the PA as a burden on the Palestinian people.

Only Americans don’t view Hiroshima as a war crime

And I don’t support starving or exterminating the children’s parents in Gaza either, but apparently the US does.

I remember you R477. You were the one advocating for the use of concentration camps, Zyklon-B and gas chambers to eradicate all transgender people a few months ago. Lipstick-lesbian thought you were hilarious.

R481 That wasn’t me. In case you’re too dumb to know this, writing dumb poems is relatively easy and many on here do it.

Israel would PREFER to make life for Palestinians so unsupportable that they will leave.

If they stubbornly resist leaving their homeland, Israel will provoke them mercilessly until they respond in fury and desperation.

When they respond, Israel can annihilate them with the approval of the U.S. while Israel maintains victim status.

Ethnic cleansing 2.0.

R483 all this over a big pile of dirt and sand. What geniuses these people are.

R483 has it backwards. The UN offered the Arabs/Palestinians their own pile of dirt in what is now Palestine. Israel agreed, the Arabs declined and attacked. Time and time again, Palestinians have shown zero desire to have a country of their own if it means there will still be an Israel.

Please R485. The Israelis have been stealing the little land that Palestinians had year after year until there’s almost nothing left. They’re illegally occupying all of the Palestinians land and will not recognize their entitlement to a state.

R485 Time and time again the Palestinians have agreed to honor the 1967 borders which is more than Israel was given by the UN in 1947.

Israel has refused.

It’s not as if there’s a good side and a bad side. Both sides are led by dirtbags.

R486, you seem to be referring to the West Bank. In Gaza, Israeli settlers returned all land to Palestinians in 2005. In the West Bank, Israeli settlements occupy about 10%, some that go back to British rule or ancient times.

R487, can you share one of those times? I’m genuinely curious about your answer.

BBC Question Time devoted its first half hour or so to Israel. Piers Morgan is one of the panelusts and roasted the BBC for refusing to use the term “terrorist” when describing Hamas. There’s also a very tiresome young audience member who spouts statistics like a fucking lunatic and one of her “facts” got expertly shot down by a rather attractive male editor of The Jewish Chronicle. Call me, Jake.

[quote]Israel would PREFER to make life for Palestinians so unsupportable that they will leave.

Israel is well aware the Palestinians have nowhere else to go. Arab countries refuse to let them in.

[quote] In the West Bank, Israeli settlements occupy about 10%

R489 think you need to check your figures babe. It’s more like 70% for areas controlled by Israel non?

As of January 2023, there are 144 Israeli settlements in the West Bank, including 12 in East Jerusalem. There are over 100 Israeli illegal outposts in the West Bank. The settlements control the region. They are heavily policed by Israel. Settler violence against Palestinians has been documented assiduously by human rights organizations.

Gaza is occupied territory as Israel controls movement of people, water, electricity, power, maritime rights, essentially everything going in and out. It's hard to believe that anyone in 2023 thinks that Gaza is free.

Hamas makes me so angry that I want to take a baseball bat to their heads. I don't like feeling this way but they're evil.

R493 Why don't they take their billions in aid and create infrastructure, utilities, school, roads etc.? They receive one of the highest levels of aid in the world. They manage to acquire rockets and munitions. A people that resourceful should be able to provide their own utilities. However, they choose to use their aid to murder Jews.

R494 I know the feeling. What evil people.

Can't we just go back to throwing rocks?

R483 “Ethnic cleansing?” You are sadly mistaken. 2.1 Arabs live within Israel as citizens and have all rights of citizens. How many Jews live in Arab countries? In 1945, roughly 1 million Jews lived peacefully in the various Arab states of the Middle East, many of them in communities that had existed for thousands of years. Jews were ethnically cleansed from these countries and their property confiscated. The majority of the Jewish refugees left their homes penniless and destitute and with nothing more than the shirts on their backs. Today, nearly half of Israel's native population descends from the Jewish refugees of the Arab world. Murders, rape and kidnappings should be condemned. Palestinians start wars and then expect to secure victim status after they commit atrocities.

1955 Palestinian population in Gaza Strip, West Bank and East Jerusalem: 987,755.

2021 Palestinian Population in Gaza Strip, West Bank, East Jerusalem: 5,222,748

[quote]Arabs live within Israel as citizens and have all rights of citizens

Not referring to them. We're talking about the occupied territories. They have NO rights. What do you fanatics refuse to acknowledge about this? Israel wants the Palestinians out of the territories so they can annex them and have a Jewish majority.

Israel refuses to abide by UN Resolution 242 and relinquish territory gained by war. Read a book.

R495,, when people in the Gaza Strip rebuild, it is inevitably blown up again by the IDF. You might want to pick up a book or read the news sometime . Do you know how many schools in Gaza were blown to bits in the last few days? what I want to know is with the billion plus we give Israel yearly , why can’t Israel hunt down these individual Hamas leaders and get their hostages returned and inflict the pain on those responsible instead of a collective punishment on a couple million people who just happen to be there.

Is Hamas going to make Viv put on 25 pounds?

R500, You might want to read something other than Palestinian propaganda.

[quote] Do you know how many schools in Gaza were blown to bits in the last few days?

Israel uses any excuse to kill children. When the IDF was killing children during the 2nd intifada in 2000 there was an infamous interview with an IDF sharpshooter who was asked why they always shoot to kill. He said, 'iI's better. If we wound them they cry".

[bold]Don’t shoot till you can see they’re over the age of 12 [/bold]

R500 Hamas imbeds themselves with citizens, I heard on MSNBC today. Needle in a haystack. It's unfortunate that innocent bystanders have to die but that's what happens in war. One of the reasons I hate it.

R500, Why do you accuse me of propaganda, Palestinian no less. I was asking for Israel to use the wealth and knowledge of technology to hunt down Hamas and inflict punishment on the murders of Israelis. I was only asking to spare the lives of impoverished refugees.

R504’s article is disturbing in many ways, but r503 misquotes and distorts the sniper’s interview.

I think the hostages in Gaza are doomed.

Yes they are R508.

Ali Velshi is in Israel. He walked through some of the recent targets of rockets, and it was clear these are not minor nuisances. He also interviewed the son of an Israeli peace activist who escorted Palestinian cancer patients into Israel for treatment. She is now (or was) a hostage.

R500 What do Palestinians need schools for? All they do is act like retards anyway.

I wonder if Israel could nuke Gaza.

I think Netanyahu should be fired, Israel needs a better leader.

R512, please think. That’s like asking if New York could nuke Queens.

R514 But think about how cool it would be to see news footage of all those camel jockeys with their skin melting off.

R495 incredible that Hamas couldn't manage to provide basic survival systems over 20 years. Very slow learners were too busy grinding their girls and women down.

So the question I have is how far is Israel willing to go? I know, "until Hamas is gone" but what does that mean in practical terms. Will they level every city and town in Gaza until nothing left except refugees standing at the Egyptian boarder? 2 million dead so Jews can basically just absorb the land and make it their own?

How far do you think they will go? It's sounding like they will not stop even once they got everything they wanted with Hamas. I dont blame them, but I have a hunch that a few months from now when they have wiped out that entire population, they are still going to be on a rampage.

R517 Jews didn’t start this round.

R517 you describe a genocide and then say “I don’t blame them”???

Didn’t they R518?

Impressive Free Palestine March in San Francisco. I love my homeland.

R521 Speaking of “lefties losing it.”

[quote]Jews didn’t start this round.

Oh we are dividing it into rounds now? This has been tit for tat for decades. Truth is, Hamas over played their hand and are going to be wiped out now. Too bad, so sand, not my problem, no tears lost but also, both sides have been a party to battle since before I was born.

Should I be concerned about being gang banged in Bangor during this “Day of Rage” thing?

R499 I don’t indulge in fantasy as you do. You are welcome to believe in propaganda. You would fit in well with Nazis.

Israel has ordered the UN to evacuate 1.1 million Palestinians from Northern Gaza and want them to be moved further south but they cannot leave Gaza. Israel want this done in 24 hours. U.N. spokesman Stéphane Dujarric called the order “impossible” without “devastating humanitarian consequences.” A UN official says that the United Nation is trying to get clarity from Israeli officials at the senior most political level.

Something very big must be coming soon.

The United Nations said early on Friday it has been told by the Israeli military that some 1.1 million Palestinians in Gaza should relocate to the enclave's south within the next 24 hours. The Israeli military did not immediately provide comment on the warning, which came as Israel amassed tanks near the Gaza border and pounded the Palestinian enclave with air strikes following a deadly Hamas militant attack in Israel.

Bigger than white phosphorous?

R506 Hamas hides in schools, hospitals, mosques and civilian homes.

Why don’t the Palestinians hunt down Hamas?

R528 Hamas murdering, raping and kidnapping puts civilians at risk.

[quote]Why don’t the Palestinians hunt down Hamas?

With what? Harsh language?

R479: “ Only Americans don’t view Hiroshima as a war crime”

lol

R531 Palestinians have received billions in aid from the international community. It’s apparent they have rockets, weapons and ammunition. Have you been hiding under a rock?

R513

Absolutely . Besides Bibi is a man disloyal to his friends. A traitor. And worse he not only called Biden to congratulate him on stealing the election . He was the first to do so. If the election had not been stolen those really smart Arabs would have never attacked .

Some of my best friends are Jews.

Where can Palestinians in Gaza go?

"Looking at an annotated map of the Gaza Strip, it becomes clear that a ground operation would be devastating to civilians, with few places to go. The UN is now saying that Israel is telling everyone in the north of the enclave to leave to the south, but that the northern area includes some of the most densely populated areas in the territory. And it is hard to imagine how 1 million people, including the hundreds of injured from almost one week of Israeli air attacks, will be able to move within 24 hours".

Talk about a clusterfuck.

Israel has no good alternatives. It's been forced into this position by Hamas when all most israelis want to do is mourn and bury their dead. Instead of looking for yet another way to condemn Israel for what it might do, realize the full extent of Hamas's vile manipulations and condemn them for putting their people in harm's way..

R535 Why don’t their Arab brothers let them in? Those of us not hiding under rocks know the answer to that question.

[quote]Palestinians have received billions in aid from the international community. It’s apparent they have rockets, weapons and ammunition. Have you been hiding under a rock?

Stop lying and repeatedly posting misinformation R533. International aid has been cut off in recent years. Hamas have the rockets, weapons and ammunition - NOT the Palestinian people. They have nothing.

The Palestinian people have endemic malnutrition and they have sticks and stones to throw at Hamas. Almost half the 2.1 million Gaza populace are children. Any and all dissent or criticism from everyday Palestinian citizens is met with instant death dished out by Hamas who are the ones with the weapons, ammunition and rockets.

Hamas has to be gotten rid of.

[quote] Why don’t their Arab brothers let them in?

Because that's want Israel wants, for the Palestinians to leave. Why are you people so stupid?

R538 - I found this article the other day which provides an answer to your question.

And R540 is 100% correct. If they leave they will never be readmitted to their lands.

Palestinians have a victim mentality that goes down to their bones. I’ve worked with a few of them and everything that comes out of their mouths is about what victims they are. They take responsibility for nothing and yack relentlessly about their people’s victimization, and project a never ending low-grade bitterness towards Israel. This is what they’ve been trained to do since birth. If you gave these people every advantage in the world they would just sit there and whine. They are utter losers who accomplish nothing in life.

Sounds like exactly the same word for word arguments which are used by white supremacists to prove why black and brown people are worthless R542.

R543 how so? I see plenty of black and brown people who accomplish great things without whining.

Why do the Palestinians continue to have so many babies? Is it because of their Muslim beliefs? Seems a bit ridiculous.

[QUOTE]What do Palestinians need schools for? All they do is act like retards anyway.

This is a Donald Trump approach Hamas employs and you managed to parrot his language, too. They love the poorly educated as much, if not more, than Trump loves his base. Which is to say, not at all. They're pawns to be used and discarded by Hamas leadership that has engorged itself with Western aid and become phenomenally rich, living in luxury in Gulf states.

The parallels between Trump and Hamas leadership are eerie and unsurprising. Use and exploit the downtrodden for personal gain. Except in Trump's case, his cult members have Western upbringings and choices. Impoverished Palestinians in Gaza? Not so much.

It's a tale of egomaniacal men, told the world over repeatedly. We're just now more aware of their over-grubbing machinations.

Make no doubt about it Trump and Hamas leaders have overlapping psychological profiles.

[QUOTE]Why do the Palestinians continue to have so many babies? Is it because of their Muslim beliefs? Seems a bit ridiculous.

Because Hamas and the PA have women's health clinics set up offering safe and legal abortion services as well as reproductive options and women and children's well-care clinics at easily accessible locations. Except they might be wired with mutinitions.

R547 it's called the pull-out method and it's free.

"It's a tale of egomaniacal men, told the world over repeatedly."

AMEN. I feel so disgusted!

PS !!! Ella Fitgerald's version of Somewhere Over the Rainbow just started playing...a welcome bit of comfort.

[QUOTE]R547] it's called the pull-out method and it's free.

Did you miss your sex ed classes in junior high school, r548? Why do you believe the "pull out" method is effective in Gaza while it has been implicated in U.S. teen pregnancies FOR DECADES. I guess gay men just don't understand sperm.

[quote]Israel has ordered the UN to evacuate 1.1 million Palestinians

Since when does Israel get to tell the UN what to do? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? UN = UNITED NATIONS

The UN is a joke.

I'll never forget when Netanyahu barged his way into Congress during the Obama administration -no respect for the first president of color -🥺posturing at the lecturn as if he were America's president! He's a heartless ,🥴😩😭nasty piece of work and is a horrible representation/ face of the whom this country should rally behind. He has been caught 😭 on video saying how 80 percent of Americans are in support of him and how self assured he is of having this country in his pocket. Israel can do better than having this guy as their spokesperson.

R553

[quite]no respect for the first president of color

What does Obama’s race have to do with this? Netanyahu is an asshole, but if he’s disrespectful to any US president it’s disgraceful.

^ quote not quite

Everyone trying to assume the most morally superior high position - while shaming everyone they believe themselves to be superior to, for their own social and political gain - is exhausting. And the constant ownership of “the children! the children!” as another means of moral superiority is so suspect. I can’t even see beyond these things.

As a mature person, I’ve been witnessing this conflict for decades - about five decades, myself - and it has never been this hysterical and, I would say, the plight of the Palestinians has never been so vocal. And I’ve always supported the Palestinians over the Israeli government. But with the cacophony of noise around this, it’s hard to tell if people are drawing nuanced distinctions or if the support for Palestine is anti-Semitic, etc. There is A LOT of smoke here. And social media isn’t helping.

R556 Of course it’s antisemitism. Europeans love Palestinians? Please! Europeans HATE Arabs, primarily because they’ve seen firsthand the damage that Arabs can do.

Are you serious, r554? Older Israelis are horrifically racist and not just about potential treats within their borders.

Not to worry. There's plenty of room for women and children in the terrorists' tunnels.

R503, You are incredibly gullible.

BTW, Gaza is not "under attack," as MSNBC would have it..

Gaza is under COUNTER-attack.

The difference is not mere semantics.

R556

“ nuanced distinctions”

Those distinctions were burned to death in small baby cribs this week. And burned to death by Hamas and no one else.

Are you a retired US General R561? What do you predict is going to happen?

R557, The British are an exception, IMO, if what else you claim is true.

Lawrence of Arabia, the whole "1000 and 1 Nights" mystique---I believe the romantic fascination persists along with the modern necessity of OIL, of which Israel has none.

Indeed, one can only imagine the geopolitics were Israel atop oil fields similar to Saudi Arabia's.

Haha, r563! No. Just an observer as you. But to respond:

The next wave has been telegraphed with Israel's warning to Gazans to evacuate the area. Israel is not overly concerned about the logistics, traffic chaos, or timing; she warned, and that's that.

IDF troops will now go building to building, hunting Hamas. Netanyahu was not being hyperbolic when he said that every Hamas terrorist is a dead man walking. Israel has no self-imposed time limit to accomplish this.

I believe what simultaneously will occur---and we might never learn of this in any detail---will be Mossad squads sent elsewhere to assassinate Hamas leaders where they are taking refuge.

There is, beyond the obvious, another reason for the intensity of Israel's/ Netanyahu's retaliation: the psychology. Man and country are being roundly criticized for unpreparedness, for lack of imagination, for ignoring intelligence reports. So now it's an "Oh, YEAH? WATCH THIS!"

Israel isn't about "turn the other cheek and love thy enemies as thyself." That's for the Christian West. The Middle East operates on "An eye for an eye" time.

Then many, many eyes will be lost. On all sides.

A teacher has been stabbed to death in a school in France.

Day of rage is raging.

Impressive R565. I think you're spot on about all of it.

Put a link in next time R567.

Syria has told the US that if Israel goes through with the attack it will become a regional war.

[quote] Syria has told the US that if Israel goes through with the attack it will become a regional war.

Help me help me !

What an absolute SHOCK that the IDF is set to root out the Hamas snakes in Gaza. Who would have ever thought?

R570

Based on the reporting I have seen

I will bet that you can’t provide proof or a link where Syria said that or threatened that it would become a regional war. . They said it could become a regional war. Even DL knows that.

Iran the funder and protector of Hamas did say that it would become one.

Others many others inc the US are concerned or worried about the war going regional. Many are working to help prevent that. Time will tell.

But the attack will go forward and it’s going to be horrific.

From sea to sea, islamic violence is forever....

Teacher Killed in France in Suspected Terrorist Attack Two wounded in assault at a public high school in northern France

A lot of Palestinian sympathisers are sharing photos and videos of dead children and bombed buildings. But they’re not from Gaza they’re from Syria who Assad bombed and shot without any European and American protests in the street.

R573 It was reported on MSNBC this morning.

Hamas telling the civilian population not to relocate south. They want as many dead human shields as possible.

There are a lot of wives, mothers, sisters of Hamas members in Gaza, we should allow them to trade what they know in exchange for asylum in the US.

"From the typically sedate streets of downtown Amman in Jordan, to Yemen's war-scarred capital of Sanaa, crowds of Muslim worshippers poured into the streets after weekly Friday prayers, angered by devastating Israeli airstrikes on Gaza that began after the militant group Hamas launched an unprecedented surprise attack on Israel last Saturday."

Girls and women! Get your naquibs on and hold still for a few rapings before you shield us

--Hamas Terrorists

r578 Its Lucky for Israel all those countries are dictatorships so their peoples anger means pretty much jack shit.

“We found bomb shelters full of young people pushed inside, and with hand grenades they killed them,” said Veruv.

“There were infants and young people here who were mutilated,” Spielman recalled. “Heads, arms, limbs being cut off. People being sliced open, and the knife left there in front of their parents.”

A kindergarten in the heart of the kibbutz still has crayons on the low tables, and paper cutouts of balloons on the wall. “Shana Tova” — happy new year — exclaims a red sign next to the classroom rules of order.

The kiddie desks are covered with pistachio shells, an indication that terrorists rested in this room during the hours-long cavalcade of horrors. Behind the desks, twenty drawers bear the names of the children in the class — Lia, Maya, Noam, Niri, Niv, Omri. Some of these children were likely hacked apart by the same men who sat in their seats to enjoy a snack after the savagery.

war in the middle east. oil prices are gonna go up, if not already. which means everything will go up in prices. just another excuse for the big, evil corp to raise their prices. FUCK THEM CUNTS

Merkavas rolling towards Gaza, about to start delivering Old Testament justice in a matter of days. There's some talk between Israel, the US and the Palestinian Authority going on that the latter could take over Gaza, finally civilising them just like the West Bank.

So based on what they have asked people in Gaza to do, I think this might be there strategy. Israel will basically force everyone out of the top of the country. They will bomb the shit out of it until there's nothing but dust. Then they will keep bombing to take out the network of tunnels. They repeat this process over moving south until the entire strip is nothing but rubble and people.

Then, once they smoked out all the terrorist out in the sunlight, the people will have to rebuild literally from scratch. No one will be spending time building tunnels when they don't even have a roof over their head. The UN or someone else will install a puppet government in hopes Hamas does not return.

The righteous arrogance of some Zionists and the extreme, no other way but violence attitude of some Palestinians makes me want to tip toe away and close the door.

They want to argue and they want to fight, and they want to be right. They're justifications are mostly idiotic to me and I want no part of something that's dragged on for 70 years.

They had all that time to talk, had historic, international peace agreements, they don't want to get it together. They want to fight . They like it, or else they would have done something different by now.

[quote] Then, once they smoked out all the terrorist out in the sunlight, the people will have to rebuild literally from scratch. No one will be spending time building tunnels when they don't even have a roof over their head.

Hamas took the new pipes that were to be used for water and sewage and used them in making rockets instead. There’s no question that Palestinians will continue to work toward genocide of the Jews ahead of all other needs, it’s exactly like the Nazis prioritizing trains to transport Jews to the concentration camps even though the trains were needed for the war effort.

I say trade them all the prisoners they want, then when we have our own hostages in hand drop the fucking hammer and completely betray them. There won’t be a hamas left to whine about it in the end.

Luc Bernard @LucBernard I was sent a video of the dead bodies of my friends from the festival.

Dead bodies and pieces of them piled up, cut up like they were just meat to be butchered.

Images I can never unsee. Screams of people. I’ve never seen anything like it.

A part of my soul died tonight.

geez, why did I even come to this thread. all is BLACK and WHITE in a world that requires nuance as it is so complex. but not according to the blockheads here. . . .

It's sad how each side is so tribal they don't recognize the horrors each does against the other.

The Israelis justify keeping an embargo on Gaza and their isolated attacks to curtail Hamas terrorist activity that often result in collateral deaths..

The Palestinians side are silent on the massacre on the music festival and the kibbutzes and Muslims globally are staging protests to support Hamas and Palestinians.

Well r589, fortunately we have blockheads like you to enlighten us.

Exactly 590 - zero humanity or empathy for each others pain on either side. So ducking depressing.

You're supposed to feel sympathy for people who want to wipe you out? That's rich.

[quote] It's sad how each side is so tribal they don't recognize the horrors each does against the other.

When you and others try to use a false equivalency like that, you invalidate whatever point you are trying to make. In this situation, there’s no “both sides”.

R590, I very, very much subscribe to a "live and let live" philosophy about life, religion, yada yada yada. But I just don't believe in my heart that the Muslim community feels the same way about me as I do about them.

I agree that with Hamas as the Palestinian government there is no logical solution since they won't recognize Israel's right to exist and only want the extermination of the Jewish state. Hamas is using the embargo, and the isolated attacks in Gaza as further excuse to commit acts of terrorism, but they are the [principal reason for current situation. Back in 2000 when they both sides actually agreed on terms for a peace accord, Arafat changes his mind the last minute and threw in the unacceptable condition of Jerusalem to go to the Palestinian Arabs, knowing that it was a deal breaker. There was never a true good faith negotiation because the militants want this to go on indefinitely.

That’s the hard lesson of the book of Jonah R593.

But still and all the government of Israel has a responsibility to protect its citizens from terror.

R588 It's just "...some people doing some things" according to R314.

Red cross: humitarian crisis unfolding in Gaza..

Israel's had it's revenge. Now it's time to stand down.

r59 "Israel's had it's revenge. Now it's time to stand down." The hostages have all been returned with apology notes then?

Time for a new thread: