And Just Like That Season 2 OFFICIAL THREAD, Part 3

Part 2

All forgiven OP, wanna walk Pete?

R2 how's the Rogaine working for ya?

Look at Harry wondering when Charlotte will next invite him to cum on her tits.

If only the ignore button/feature here on DL worked... I'd be able to "click" on an icon and never have to see threads about this stupid retread of a crappy show again! And OP, I cannot forgive you for linking to that photo of Miranda's flat tit which some non-binary "they" seems to enjoy spending time with... a grease fire for them all works or a fictional terrorist event!

If it's really that traumatic for you, Mary, you can ignore the OP and it will go away.

Harry in that wig looks like Mrs. Fish from Barney Miller.

Aiden was overbearing? He let Carrie invite her ex to his cabin. He never complained when she would go out all the time with her friends and left him at home. Yeah, what a tyrant.

Didn’t Aidan take her back after Carrie kissed Aidan with Big’s cum still on her lips?

Aiden was overbearing? He let Carrie invite her ex to his cabin. He never complained when she would go out all the time with her friends and left him at home.

I think it was the opposites thing. She liked him because he was the opposite of Big in many ways but then she resented him for not being like Big.

The Aidan episodes are painful to watch especially round 2 when Carrie fucked him over yet again. I was so glad when they brought him back with baby Tate for a cameo and Carrie looked at him like 'I think I want him back again.'.

Carrie and Aidan had nothing in common. She’s a narcissist and I always found him passive-aggressive. Their reunion will end in tears.

Remember when she was flirting with Berger man and said she and Aidan had been together twice as they hadn't hurt each other enough the first time?!

It’s a romance nobody wants or asks for. Kind of like the last season of the first series with Mikhail Baryshnikov.

I don’t think anyone asked for that and yet SJP couldn’t drag it out long enough.

Sound familiar, Sara Ramirez?

I’ve taken a lov-ah!

I’ve taken a lov-ah!

Will Aiden’s son Tate identify as a potato? It would fit with the theme of the show.

Will Tator and Lily have a love connection?

I can understand Aidan falling for season 3 Carrie, but him going back to her was just absurd

But how many times were she and Big off and on?

Now watching the asinine episode where she blocks the bike rider (Mr. Hargitay)…it was clearly shot on the SW corner of 22nd & 8th. Cracks me up that there’s a pre-set shot of Forager’s…as a “promo.” IRL Forager’s closed almost a year ago and that corner sits empty—except for the random trans hiding from the porn shop shitshow a block south of Gristedes.

Please leave my neighborhood alone—go fuck some other street.

Appearing in infomercials with their "dear friend" the host and fawning about a mop, a vegetable shredder, a blender or some other junk.

I'm glad Aidan is coming back for an arc and not a cameo. They really hyped up his appearance in SATC 2 but he was barely in the movie.

She was an unrepentant lying cheating whore in season 3 but all of a sudden felt so guilty about a five second kiss and that she felt compelled to tell Big who could've gone the rest of his life without knowing that information.

She probably figured Lily would blurt it out during her First Communion.

WHY is Evan Handler dressed like that at OP? It looks like a still from a 1970s sitcom. Grisly.

[quote] I created Part 2, so I am responsible for Miranda's tits on your screen. You have to forgive me. You have to forgive me. You have to forgive me.

I'm sorry I can't Don't hate me --

In all likelihood it probably will get renewed. They really didn't give off a vibe of this is really the definitive end when doing press. That's why they gave Kim a shitload of money to do the cameo just in case it doesn't get renewed.

R26 - that was part of his Halloween costume.

Sarah's breezy summer outfit at the airport

Is that Sarah Jessica Parker on the right in OP's pic?

She looks much better than the last time I saw her.

[quote]They really didn't give off a vibe of this is really the definitive end when doing press.

They might not (probably would not) have known. This thing thing was shot and edited last year (?)... anyway it was in the can for a long time before it aired, like Gilded Age. They were probably merrily shooting away thinking we've got ten more years of this creative dynamo!

Who says older women can’t rock long hair? Sarah Jessica Parker proves they can.

At 58, Parker is leading the charge of older women embracing longer hair. Her locks are tended to by celebrity stylist Serge Normant and colourist Gina Gilbert, who gives SJP phenomenal balayage that makes her hair look sexier than ever, whether it’s undone or done up. But, as with all things beauty, time and energy go into keeping long locks in peak condition. It’s all about maintenance.

In that airport photo, she’s looking like Madonna… who turns 65 next month.

Firstly it’s 85+ in most of the country with some places in the 90s…and she is in a sweatshirt, pants and boots. So that makes sense

R30, according to that article, everybody is wearing SJP's hideous outfit this summer?

The tone of the penis pump scenes concerned me. I've only seen a penis pump in porn as an aid to masturbation and didn't know you could use them to get an erection for real sex though I guess you can. i'm not sure the series ever had this on before though I seem to remember Samanatha had sex with one older rich man. I guess he used viagara. However Seema is not Samantha. Samantha was more playful in sex and in life. Though she would say she always came to every party I imagine she would have waited for the man to leave before using the vibrator. Seema seems humorless and unplayful and selfish. No wonder Carrie likes her.

+ the writers did not help by having the man repeat That's not cool to make him sound like an idiot.

I'm also not sure why so many of the women now dress like Orthodox Jews, covered from neck to toe. Carrie - who used to go out in men's underwear - is now wearing a robe/cover-up/schmata in every scene.

Uh, they dress that way to try and hide their aged, withered limbs.

MPK: I started season 2 knowing I was bringing Aidan back, and I felt very strongly about that. How, when he shows up, what happens is all part of the great fun and puzzle of writing a series, to somehow give people what they're expecting and yet find ways to have people grow and still be that person."

R41 what a sad man he sounds

That sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Of these biddies actually confronted aging,intakes, starting over, loss etc in a real way instead of superficially this might have been a better show.

Charlotte and her first world problems are redundant unless they gave her some serious drama like Harry croaking.

Miranda cheating was told really badly too, they should have had her already separated and dipping her first digit into the pussy pool

They should have shown Charlotte having friction with the other rich (much younger) moms. There’s a world of possibilities. Prim and proper Gen X Charlotte having to interact with tacky, trashy Millennial moms.

It seems obvious they could have used the actress' real life challenges eg Kristin's use of whatever she did to her face and weight gain, SJP's continued effort to stay thin. The only one they seemed to actually use was Cynthia's real life coming out. But how wanted is a 50s new woman in the lesbian world, rather than just magically meeting someone to be a theyfriend.

Was SJP super-pissed her acting didn't pick up any awards, despite being pushed hard though I imagine?

She got 1 Emmy for actress in SATC.

SJP being a shallow, self-absorbed, hypocritical hag is not acting.

I mean AJLT got zero awards attention, while SATC was nominated for many awards over its run. Plus Carrie as a widow was probably assumed to be Emmy-bait

Ruderman Family Foundation Seal of Authentic Representation Sarah Jessica Parker, Kristin Davis, and Cynthia Nixon in And Just Like That... (2021) 2022 Winner Seal of Authentic Representation

I have it on good authority that the person who was most upset by lack of award attention for season one of AJLT was Cynthia. She really believed her work warranted the attention and was pissed that her peers/HFPA didn’t agree

Why, exactly DID Aiden “have to forgive” Carrie anyway? She hasn’t ever been cheated on, has she? How would she know how it feels?

R48: She got a ton of Golden Globes though.

SJP got 4 wins from Golden Globe which wasn't fully deserved. They threw her an Emmy for the last season even though her best work was arguably seasons 2-4 (when Carrie was slightly more like a real human).

Kim won a Globe too, but was robbed of an Emmy on 5 occasions. They gave Nixon the Emmy for the last season even though I thought Cattrall was more impressive with the cancer storyline and letting herself be loved by a man.

Season 6 also scored Davis her sole nomination to date, I think one of the episodes she submitted was when she lost her baby.

MPK talks like he writes his scripts: contrived and half-formed.

“Two back-to-back break-ups,” Miranda says. “I’m killing it over here.”

The thing is, R52, Cynthia is acting the part well. It’s just that the part is wonky as shit, badly written, and no longer resembles the Miranda she used to play. It might as well be a new series where she plays some suburban mom realizing she’s a lesbian.

‘And Just Like That’ Still Isn’t Done Humiliating Miranda Hobbes

Steve found his balls? I may actually have to watch this one.

R60. Ball. He only has one.

Sheroes?

When Carrie’s computer broke in the original series, her subsequent meltdown turned into one of her biggest fights with Aidan.

When her laptop pitches itself to its death from atop a shoebox during a “dark berry lip” interview, Carrie audibly sighs “Oh, thank God.”

When Che drops the bomb that, just as Miranda is lamenting the fact that she and Steve have lost their chance to be friends, Che suggests that maybe “friends” might be the right label for their relationship, too.

This would be a tragic moment for viewers invested in the Che-randa romance, if there were any.

Cinder-Carrie sports a puffer jacket of royal magnitude while trekking through the snow.

And Lisa turns into a drag queen revealing she has been wearing a wig.

It’s surprising how well Miranda takes the Che breakup, actually. Che’s magnetism was so powerful to Miranda that she blew up her entire life so they could be together. Then, Che’s pilot flops and their ego takes a hit, they spend a few weeks in the doldrums living on Pirate’s Booty, and that’s just it? The whole relationship has to sink with the “Che Pasa” ship? And Miranda just lets it all go?

For all those who missed the colder, more cynical version of Miranda, maybe she is on her way back. RIP, love-dovey Miranda. We hardly knew ye.

WTF was this ep? Carrie calling Che and not one of the other 2? bullshit

I figured she asked Che because Che is a stand-up and Carrie had to speak in public.

current feeling on this shitshow

r68

but Che did NOTHING except for complaining the whole time

I don't understand why the room where the speakers had to speak was lit like a nightclub when the event was in the daytime.

R71 so Carrie could look super sexy. Why do the writers always use the trope of the character initially bombing but then pulling it back and doing a great job? I'm thinking of Carrie teaching at the annexe, Samantha's cancer speech, Carrie's poem reading where she starts to falter but recovers etc.

And when she was the runway model and tripped then recovered to applause.

I feel bad for Cynthia Nixon.

I really believe she believed two years ago that her storyline would be welcomed with open arms.

Instead she and her character have been ripped to shreds

R74 I don't. First, Miranda isn't her, why did she feel compelled to turn a character into a copy of her own experience.

Second, did she not question the quality of the writing?

[quote]Why do the writers always use the trope of the character initially bombing but then pulling it back and doing a great job?

You're right, it would be interesting to switch it around for once and have the character start off great, but then bomb in the second half.

Good God they're really dragging this Aidan arc out. I thought the episode would end in a cliffhanger with him showing up at Carrie's door.

Like usual the episode was meh but I was so glad Steve called Miranda on her bullshit. Brady was almost an abortion and she hated playing house in Brooklyn.

R78 many women almost have abortions, the fact she kept the kid and totally changed her life for Brady says it all. I also don't get the impression she hated playing house in Brooklyn, rather that she outgrew that part of her life and then her chemically-enhanced HRT likely jump-started her cravings for exotic pussy.

Most women her age would have just joined a book club and had a facelift

Fuckin LOLZ at Carrie summoning Aiden with an e-mail. "When I click Send he'll come running!"

I'm sorry, how fucking dare Miranda get on her high horse with Steve having sex with someone else. You can fuck someone and still be grieving about your marriage. Sex is a biologic need. He wasn't romancing the girl or dating her. He fucked her once, and well after Miranda was out of there (what, for more than a year) so fuck her. She's such a sanctimonious cunt.

Carrie looks like a pin-head in the dinner scene at Nya's. Why would SJP make herself look so bad? Her face looks ghastly that way.

R80 and the line if this is no longer your email, whoever is reading this, carry on.

Most email addresses don't randomly start being used by another person when discarded.

Beautiful scene with Steve exploding.....then they fucked it up with Miranda's ridiculous outrage over him possibly fucking the Whole Foods girl. But David Eigenberg was great.

^I think the outrage was because Miranda wanted the Whole Foods girl.

Every week I think it can’t get worse, and every week the riding manages to be more and more absurd.

For starters, none of these things would’ve carried on in that sort of a Manhattan snowstorm. MOMA would be closed. This ridiculous conference would be canceled because no conference is attended exclusively by people in the host hotel. There wouldn’t even be a janitor cleaning Madison apothecary (which is funny enough that they think this tiny pharmacy paying Madison Ave rent has a janitor like that), as the planned snowfall probably would have had them pre-planning a close. I’ve seen the upper Eastside crawl to a stand still for just a few inches. No way would the things be open or with these women be traipsing around in ridiculous get an No way would the things be open or would these women be traipsing around in ridiculous get ups. Absurd plotting.

And why the hell are we supposed to be sympathetic to Miranda getting mad at Steve sleeping with someone else? Not only has the woman been around relationship for the past year, but she was hooking up with Che before breaking up with Steve. She’s attempted a threesome. She’s spent the last living her sexual libertine side. And he was supposed to just sit there and jerk off?! I guess we’re supposed to be upset that it was very bed that he fucked her in, but what the fuck does that matter? She’s been sleeping in someone else’s bed!

Steve’s moment of anger was actually real and justified, but of course they had to roll it back and make him look bad. Fuck that.

Can someone explain to me why Carrie needed Che at her keynote speech (which wasn't even a speech, it was a reading, nothing more, so why would she be so nervous?) She and Che aren't friends, Che did nothing to help or prepare her and we know the only reason Che needed to be there was to hear Carrie's "inspirational" words to pull her out of her funk. (Saint Carrie to the rescue yet again.) Carrie could have brought a mannequin there for inspiration for as much as Che helped her.

If you need to have a character in a scene for a particular reason where that character wouldn't normally be, then for fuck's sake, take the moment to make it believable. Here's a scenario that took me under five seconds to come up with- Carrie needs jokes for her speech. She asks Che to write some (and offers to pay her, which Che wouldn't turn down). Che says- what do I know about being a widow? Fine, says Carrie, then meet me beforehand and we can troll the booths and maybe it will give you some inspiration. (Which would have fit in perfectly with the later Widow Wand scene.) Che's obligation to come to the con in the snowstorm would have been- it's a job, not- I need to do this for my very best friend Carrie... oh, what's her last name again?

I say it every week, and every week it's more and more applicable- these are some of the laziest fucking writers I have ever witnessed. This is stuff taught in Screenwriting 101 and week after week, they just don't get it. I could write this fucking show in my sleep and do better.

It’s interesting to think what the show would have become if Darren Star had never left and MPK and SJP never got such control. I think MPK sort of quietly ruined the show and the movies, but got away with in the beginning because we were all invested enough to forgive some things, and the writers at the time were actually strong enough to generate good ideas, or turn MPK and SJP’s bad ideas into more believable ones. But now, with most of the old writers (and Cattrall) gone, all of the bad decisions are coming to light.

[Quote].Carrie could have brought a mannequin there for inspiration for as much as Che helped her.

I see what you’re trying to do R87 and it won’t work. I did my cameo for cash and it’s for the last episode only.

She claims she's had no contact with Aidan for years but found out his whole personal and professional history online. I don't recall him ever being a famous or world-renowned furniture designer.

You can find everything she found out pretty easily just by looking through social media and publicly available information. I certainly have. I get curious about people I went to school with, random names from my past, and then go see what I can find. Nothing stalker-ish, just things like, "Oh, she ended up getting an MD/PhD and still lives in our hometown with her husband and kids."

MPK is a strange one. He’s done some great work (The Comeback) along with dreck. Darren Starr left early in the S&TC series and MPK was responsible for the best seasons (3-5), which I find still watchable today. But he is just past his prime. He’s nearly 70, it’s time to retire.

She only named a few facts, too--he was divorced, lives in Virginia, and sold his company to West Elm. That would be a piece of cake to find out online.

I actually think MPK was always weak he just hid it well. The Comeback is brilliant…but the worst parts of it, he takes credit for.

Same with SATC.

He also created Two Broke Girls…so

MPK and SJP said they wanted the Kim cameo to be a surprise for the fans - my ass. I think they deliberately leaked news of the cameo to keep people watching the rest of the mediocre season. They probably thought most people would figure out it would be in the season finale.

I think it would have been nice if Carrie had said 'Aidan sent condolences after Big died' assuming he and Steve are still in touch and Steve told him. Because you know Aidan would have reached out. And I THINK I spotted Aidan's chair in Carrie's apt in this episode.

I'm no SJP fan but Kim is not saint either. She said she did the cameo for the fans - my ass. Everybody has their price and let's face it her post-SATC projects haven't gotten nearly as much attention as SATC. She probably would do a season three as long as all her scenes were phone call scenes and they gave her the number she desired.

I believe Kim did it for the fans. If she was a money hungry twat like SJP she would have done a third movie of the series and made millions. She turned that money down because she was done.

^third movie OR the series

I was skeptical that that level of snow could build up overnight in Manhattan.

The biggest unintentional laugh was how Carrie got her comforter size coat left in the coat room. That thing would have been like a blown out life raft. And then of course how had she had room for it in her closet originally.

When the snow is the redeeming feature of the episode.

all that previous episode interest in Rock's ad and then we get a blink and you'll miss it shot of the photo in the paper.

Why didn’t Charlotte just tell her hussy of a daughter to try butt sex to avoid pregnancy? All that fuss of going out in the cold could have been avoided.

That influencer reminded me of Sandra Bernhard.

The Kerry Moore plot didn't make sense. Carrie didn't remember their previous encounter because it didn't happen. Why not just have a little flashback to show the past? Or are we meant to think Kerry is delusional?

There's a lot of parts, characters that I actually like, but the whole just isn't gelling for me. And the writing is often pretty bad. They're spending so much time on random asides - like Lily losing her virginity and needing condoms, and LTW's conference, that they don't give enough weight to what should be the main arcs. For example, a Steve-Miranda blowout fight after everything that's happened shouldn't be over that quickly. In three minutes he cusses her out, apologizes, they make peace, they lay together, and Miranda loses all of her former angst and guilt just because Steve has been fucking people? What?

Something positive: I like that the double breakup with Steve and Che and now maybe, just maybe, we'll really see Miranda find herself, reestablish herself, and not be so damn needy and panicky and constantly beside herself.

Seema is a nice supporting character for Carrie. And I actually really like Nya, but she's even more dead weight than before. Though, I'm assuming now she'll get more time as a friend and confidant of Miranda as Miranda finds a place of her own (I'm guessing) and either takes a breather from relationships or tries to find a woman more her speed.

Am I crazy, or was tonight’s episode kind of…okay?? Ish?

I thought it was all over the place, with some some unneeded plot points, but overall, yeah, it was okayish.

It is strange that SJP seems to be trying to look older. She is not 60 yet, but with the hair, makeup and styling she seems to be half-way through her 60s at least.

And just like that.. I still don’t care about these vapid broads!

She looked good when she was speaking at "Widowcon." Though with everything that can be done now, who knows how accurate it is. I actually don't think SJP has aged horribly considering she's thin, blonde, a smoker for along time.

I do not think she aged horribly either, which is why it is odd that she allows herself to be presented in a way that makes her look like she has.

Even as the frau-ish mother of the bride in Plaza Suite she looks better than she does in this series.

I too, gasped when I saw Carrie's snow trudging coat. You’re telling me she had that in her closet earlier this season when she supposedly had nothing to wear to the Met Gala?

Wow. The snowmageddon episode.

Is it possible to jump the shark, and keep on jumping?

And Just Like That: Why yes. Yes it is.

I hate that I keep tuning into this show, hoping it will suddenly be as great as the original SATC but being let down by it again and again. With any luck, maybe Samantha's season finale cameo will have her come back to annihilate Carrie and Miranda, while Che catches a ricocheted bullet and succumbs as well. I'd watch a third season of Seema, LTW, and Nya, with better developed story lines that quickly leave past their connections to the original ensemble in the dust. I suppose I could stand Charlotte in this too, just because she's still recognizable with her original character.

Well I'm enjoying the show. I'm in the UK and it airs at 8am here. I watch it with coffee and cereal.

It's hit its stride and the writing, acting and directing has finally aligned.

I came into the episode about halfway through and assumed that Charlotte was braving the cyclone in quest of Poligrip.

R117 the worst acting, the worst writing and the worst directing, all in a single episode. That’s alignment!

Why the fuck should Charlotte go out for condoms? She should just tell Lily if she gets pregnant she's out of the house.

Charlotte is unbearable, and SJP needs to cut her hair.

Charlotte should be more concerned that her daughter is dumb enough to have sex with a condom. Was Lily's boyfriend unfortunate looking?

Steve annoys the living shit out of me. Still the man baby.

Oh, you did some work on the house? You also LIVED THERE, fool! You don’t think you need to contribute anything?

Steve and Miranda should have amicably parted ways 20 years ago. Miranda has wasted her life with him and he’s actually gotten worse, if that’s possible. He’s a bigger idiot than ever.

[quote]When Carrie’s computer broke in the original series, her subsequent meltdown turned into one of her biggest fights with Aidan.

I love that episode. I laughed so hard the first time. But what a bitch was Carrie!

Well she encouraged him by staying with him so long.

I always hated Steve.

I don't see what she saw in him apart from good sex and that he was a sweet, nerdy guy who saw her as a goddess.

That being said, I don't see what that gorgeous Dr saw in Miranda in season 6, that was pure fantasy on the writer's part.

I preferred Steve when he was working out with his shirt off a few weeks ago.

I disagree with the consensus here when it comes to Steve. I actually thought the Steve and Miranda arc was handled fantastically in the original series. They were good for each other, and he softened Miranda in the best possible way.

It wasn't a bad ending for SATC but they should have had them amicably divorced at the start of this series

Miranda didn’t need softening.

Now she’s got a kid who’s also a whiny schlubb.

The break-up with Che could allow the character to be salvaged from the bizarre "affluent middle-aged white woman unlearn her beliefs about gender, race, etc." morality play. Nixon probably likes the "Re-education of an Idealist" arc, though.

Seema “proposes” to Carrie that the two of them rent a summer house together in the Hamptons. Carrie giddily agrees, which is funny only because, just a couple of decades ago, she, Charlotte, Miranda and Samantha all thought that as 30-somethings, they were too old for a shared Hamptons house, calling it “pathetic” and likening it to being “the oldest kid at summer camp.” But now, in their 50s, Carrie and her gal pal can afford a luxury rental on the beach with more bathrooms than occupants. Nothing pathetic about that.

That snow coat might have been the series' most ridiculous choice. Even if you believe she'd own something so hideous, she would have chosen a coat more practical for a blizzard.

I don't get R134's point. In the original series they balked at the idea as "pathetic" (especially when Sam told them about her assistant, Nina, who was sharing a summer share with 18 girls) but then liked it a little once they did it. And now, it's less people in a bigger, better place.

Carrie actually mentioned her mother in this episode (in a negative way also.). I had assumed she was an orphan or foster kid since the character seems to have zero family.

the person who plays Rock really does look like Evan H

I feel bad for Mario Cantone. With the death of Willie Garson, it was really his chance to shine but instead he is an afterthought and…not a good one.

I don't understand how the Snow Queen couldn't produce a magic box of condoms. That's essentially the world they're living, in Nevergonnahappen Land.

Carrie mentioned her family in the original show. I think there was even a picture of her and her mom. She told the guy from Vogue that her dad left her and her mom when she was young. We only ever meet Charlotte's brother and Miranda's sister. I think the limited family aspect worked for the most part.

The comforter coat. Lol. At first I thought maybe she did just wrangle a comforter and use it with a coat.

It was part of the bible for the original show not to include the women's families in any story.

Did someone not say that Charlotte's dad walked her down the aisle?

SJP looks every minute of her age, and then some.

Where did Carrie get the food to bring to the bike guy?

Miranda's name may be on the mortgage but has she been the only one paying the mortgage?

Where did Carrie buy soup in Manhattan? What an odd question.

I guess minority report: I thought this episode was one of the better ones of this season. Good to see Steve have an opportunity to have a moment. And, who'd a thunk it, Che, one of the most repellant characters ever turns out to be more interesting and likable than all the principals? I think Sara Ramirez is playing depression well. The Seema-Carrie repartee seems most like the original SATC. Keep Seema and get rid of Miranda and Charlotte in season 3 of AJLT.

[quote] I don't see what she saw in him apart from good sex and that he was a sweet, nerdy guy who saw her as a goddess.

And that didn't stop her from being repelled by Skipper, who basically had those same qualities.

Skipper was a doormat who couldn't defend himself or call Miranda out when she was wrong or being a bitch

Skipper kinda sorta called her out after she broke up with the asshole attorney guy and she ran into him. But it took a long time for him to do so.

It would be cool if Lily got pregnant and became a teen mom thus making Charlotte a grandma. It may actually cause some issues in Charlottes perfect existence. I see in the next episode fugly Rock becomes some superstar based off of one advertisement. Ridiculous. Rock is no Smith Jerrod.

R153 I think the next season the twist will be if Rock gets pregnant, and decides to keep the child. Think of the gender/identity deconstruction possible in that plot.

I just can't stand Charlotte and her laundry detergent life. What's to care about?

Seema fits in best because she's basically a replacement for Samantha and the actress is incredibly charming and lovely.

I rewatched Models and Mortals from season 1 yesterday because I have way too much time on my hands. Anyway, Carrie's artist friend brags about how he secretly videotapes all of the models he's fucking. Carrie seems to be ok with this. My how times have changed.

I’m a little shocked that Charlotte is so “liberal” when it comes to teen sex.

I see her more as a “sex is great, but please wait until you are at college and a semi-adult” type of mom.

The clothing choices for the snowstorm scene were ridiculous. No one would try to navigate slippery sidewalks in those shoes and carrying their designer handbags. Have they not heard about handbag umbrellas to protect those multi-thousand dollar bags? Anyone wearing what Carrie did in that snowstorm would have been blown over. I know because I got blown over in a blizzard last Winter and it took me several minutes just to get back on my feet and I was wearing boots and appropriate Winter gear.

Why is Steve's new lover the "Whole Foods Girl?" Steve's in his mid-50's. Even if (unlikely) there's a 30-year age difference, she's 25. Seems disrespectful toward an off-screen character in a low-status job. And in earlier Season 2 episodes Steve's portrayed as closer to 70 than 55.

Wondering if the long game is for Miranda and Nya to end up together.

R161

That’s what I have been saying all along

Is Miranda going on a date with a woman next ep?

Miranda reminded Steve he said he would move out. Presumably she will allow Brady to stay in the house with her. And surely Steve's bar has a backroom where he could sleep and live?

Any NYers know if that beautiful apothecary shop Charlotte was trying to shake down for rubbers actually exists?

Seema LTW Charlotte Anthony Carrie Nya Miranda Che

^ ladies who lunch in order of my current preference.

Miranda used to be my favorite. Sad.

[quote]Every week I think it can’t get worse, and every week the riding manages to be more and more absurd.

The last season was abysmal but it held attention to some small degree out of a curiosity to see how the writing would adjust to the passage of time. This 2023 season, though, I "watched" the first 4? or 5? episodes in a fell swoop and it was unbearably bad: I kept adjusting the volume downward and my attention to other things but the stink of the show was still there. No one had one ball enough to say "We can't air this. It's too horrible"

Can someone explain why LTW wouldn't just wear her wig out instead of carrying a gigantic, awkward wig box all the way from home to MOMA on foot in a snow storm? Since she wasn't wearing that Billy Porter drag queen bolero onstage, there was no point in her wearing it on the street where no one would see her instead of just wearing a hooded coat that would cover her head (and wig).

The way these writers portray these women, you wonder how they all got to their 50s without killing themselves in some Darwin Awards-like accident.

"Can someone explain why LTW wouldn't just wear her wig out instead of carrying a gigantic, awkward wig box all the way from home to MOMA on foot in a snow storm?"

So the older black woman in the bathroom could give her a knowing glance.

Exactly, R169 - their little exchange was the whole purpose of her schlepping all the way there like that.

[quote] Wondering if the long game is for Miranda and Nya to end up together.

I believe that was the original plan for season 1 until Nixon “suggested” (demanded) they pair Miranda with Che. Miranda and Nya together made more sense. Miranda and Che together always felt forced.

I've found the last 2 episodes interesting. They're not vintage SATC, but they're not as awful as the entire first several eps, either.

[quote] So the older black woman in the bathroom could give her a knowing glance.

Again, like with Che and Carrie at Widow-Con, the writers could still have accomplished the reason for having the scene without needing to have it break the confines of credibility. There is no reason LTW couldn't have taken her wig off (perhaps it was askew from the weather) and reposition it. Same result, but without making the character look like a fucking idiot.

This is the first time I have seen Lisa without her wig unless I missed an earlier scene. So she even wears it in bed?

‘And Just Like That’ Star Sara Ramirez Reacts To Backlash, Ché And Miranda’s Split

In the preview of the next episode Anthony gets something to do, and Aidan returns.

There’s not one teen on Earth who’s going to tell their parents that they’re off to go lose their virginity.

Oh fuck, you mean they're going to punish us even more by keeping Che around for NO REASON???

Haven't watched the second season. Is Charlotte's husband a trans now?

Che is such a stand-up sensation that they get their own tv show but NO ONE recognises them at Widow.com.

Honey, a fat Latino enby is not exactly the poster child for a room of white fraus with dead husbands.

Sara Ramirez used to be so attractive

What exactly was the point of the snowstorm??

The color white, blanketing New York, dragging down sheroes.

The snow gave Charlotte a chance to freak out, overact, squeal like a banshee, and give viewers yet another reason to hate her.

I’m assuming the snowstorm existed so Carrie could wear that ludicrously capacious puffer coat and be filmed from above in all her ingenue glory.

Snowstorm and bloated cast are further proof too much money is squandered on disposable shows like these.

Did we see how Che got through the storm? Or did they say the location was close by?

Why wasn't Nya at Lisa's event, as someone in Lisa's latest film?

MPK on the end of the Che/Miranda romance:

There are a lot of reasons to keep someone in the show beyond, ‘Oh, their love interest faded out.’ And something that’s as vibrant as Che and as magnificent as what Sara Ramirez can do as an actor, it’s right there for the picking.

R190 Yes! Just what the audience is clamoring for! More Che! MPK is definitely listening to the fans on this one!

[quote]what Sara Ramirez can do as an actor

R190 I agree with that statement, Ramirez is a very talented actor.

Not given the writing on this series…all goes to waste.

R189. Because Nya was smart enough not to go out in a fucking blizzard. So I guess she's not a Shero.

Teasing what the future holds for Che and Miranda, Ramirez said the pair do end up "in the same room again and they have to kind of confront one another".

"Miranda has seen a comedy act of Che’s when Che decides to try comedy again, and it doesn’t go well for Miranda," the actor added.

Charlotte dropped 100 IQ points after having Rose, apparently, and no teen girl would just tell her parents they were ready to lose their virginity especially a father.

Screeching and running around during a blizzard for condoms so your daughter can get her cherry popped? No. Letting your daughter out during a blizzard? No.

Charlotte never had much of an IQ.

I actually like MPK is trying to redeem Che because he feels badly for ensnaring Sara Ramirez in this mess. Who is rushing to cast an actor identified with one of the most loathed characters in TV history?

Well, isn't Sara Ramirez part of the problem there r197. Weren't she and Cynthia Nixon sure they could wow the nation, or at least Frau Nation, with a gloriously outspoken nonbinary that everybody just couldn't help loving and admiring on sight? And now that it's blown up in their faces, isn't everybody scrambling to do some damage control? Yeah, MPK is no doubt part of the problem, but Sara ensnared themself (shit, I hate stupid pronouns, but what the hell, let's go with it for now) in this as much as anybody.

Couldn't they, as two intelligent people, realize that what the writers were creating for them was shit?

R198 Minority report part II: by this last episode I found Che to be a credible, interesting character. My sympathies were with her more than clueless Miranda. Ramirez played depression well, I thought.

FYI... I thought she was laughable for most of season 1 and the early episodes of this season.

I do agree she's getting better and more bearable r200.

[quote] Did we see how Che got through the storm? Or did they say the location was close by?

I don't know where Widow-Con was, but I am going to assume it was a midtown west hotel, like the Marriott Marquis, or it could have even been at the Javits Center (though I doubt it was so big that it needed to encompass that much square footage). Che lives somewhere around the West 20s or 30s based on the subway stop Miranda got on when she left in the middle of the night, so really, she had a relatively short distance to go. Much shorter than Carrie, who is on the Upper East Side.

Miranda’s “Brooklyn” townhouse is actually in Chelsea, on West 22nd between 8th & 9th. Anna Wintour’s daughter lives “next door,” and just past her is the famous Harvard and NYU law professor Arthur Miller… Grace Coddington lives closer to 8th in the apts. just east of the German Church. David Halberg (the ballet dancer) and Richard Greenberg (he wrote Take Me Out) live on the corner of 22nd/9th. The great gay American poet John Ashbery lived there as well, for decades.

N.B. Also on the block is the first home of GMHC—and hosted early Act Up meetings (see The Normal Heart).

R195, sounds like Miranda and Che's relationship becomes fodder for the comedy act.

Goddamn. Steve GUTTED Miranda during that argument. He should have let her leave into the storm.

Yes, Steve said all the things we’d expect an irresponsible, immature man baby to say. Maybe forgivable you’re 20, but not when you’re 60. He’s an idiot.

What was with him saying you can't get on the subway when you're crying? would that make her an immediate target?

How beautiful was Carrie in the snowstorm in that coat. And just like that, Andre Leon Talley.

I do miss the old days of network tv with 3 channels. In those days audience reaction was swift and damning. If an audience hated a character they were written out in a few episodes and never spoken of again.

I hated those days, r209. We'd flip between ABC, NBC, and CBS hoping that something - ANYTHING - good would magically be on. But, of course, we had the weekly tv schedule in the Sunday paper so we knew we were screwed.

And then we'd take a dip into the sad, lower dial of UHF to see what PBS and the garbage stations were airing.

PBS was garbage? Sometimes the UHF channels were more fun than the regular ones. All kinds of crazy stuff.

The Wexley family is too perfect. Are we really to believe they all loll about in gorgeous bed linens on a lazy Sunday while reading the paper edition of the Sunday Times? There’s more verisimilitude in a Marvel movie than the depiction of the Wexleys. I call total bullshit.

Nixon and Ramirez have responded to criticisms of the relationship and Che's character. Nixon says she has "no idea" why Che is so disliked.

"Che is also not perfect at all. (They’re) this sexy, funny, unexpected non binary character. Hopefully you weren’t expecting that person to be a two dimensional advertisement for everything that a boy or a girl scout could be—I mean, we don’t do squeaky clean. "

Ramirez has previously said that they don't engage with the online hate and maintains that they are "really proud of the representation that we've created."

“We have built a character who is a human being, who is imperfect, who’s complex, who is not here to be liked, who’s not here for anybody’s approval. They’re here to be themselves."

[quote] “We have built a character who is a human being, who is imperfect, who’s complex, who is not here to be liked, who’s not here for anybody’s approval.

Then shut your fucking hole when we don't approve. Because we don't.

[quote]this sexy,

Who?

[quote]funny,

WHO?!

[quote]unexpected non binary character.

Oh. I see.

[quote] I do miss the old days of network tv with 3 channels. In those days audience reaction was swift and damning. If an audience hated a character they were written out in a few episodes and never spoken of again.

That's mostly because they do full season dumps at once (not in this case, necessarily), and there's no way to fix something if the audience doesn't respond to it. I've worked that way before and it is nail biting. I like that the audience lets you know what's working and what isn't. I find it a huge help. And if I don't have that, and I've created something that is going out (and staying out) with no feedback along the way and it isn't received well, then you're just fucked. And instead of admitting it, these idiots are doubling down. So glad they all have so much "fuck you" money that they can afford to alienate their audience.

And Just Like That's Sara Ramirez Breaks Down Che and Miranda's 'Sad' Split

Che is a very truthful character. They tell you the truth whether you like what you’re hearing or not,”

It’s important we remember that LGBTQIA+ people don’t have to be perfect, just like the women don’t have to be perfect. We get to be imperfect, we get to be unlikable and you still get to root for our humanity.”

AJLT executive producer Michael Patrick King, for his part, told the outlet that the goal for Che in season 2 was to show the “vulnerability beneath the bravura.” Ramirez echoed the sentiment, noting that they wanted to “dive into more nuanced storytelling that is complicated and messy and human and difficult.”

Sara also discussed fatphobia.

While working on their sitcom pilot, Che struggled with body image issues after receiving criticism about their weight from a costumer on set.

In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter published on Thursday, Ramirez said that they could relate to the “internalized fatphobia” Che deals with this season.

“That’s something that most of us, if not all of us, have grown up with,” they said. “It’s been really helpful for me to have had the growth that I’ve had around my internalized fatphobia. I’m not in the place that Che is at with it, but as the actor, I was able to recall what it feels like to give your power over to people who don’t know you or care about you, and then fall apart in your own relationship about it.”

Many missed opportunities with this series. Too many egos and writers who don't understand the characters (and can't write for shit) fucked it up. Now Kim will magically appear for a three minute cameo and send it off on a high note.

Ummm... there's "unlikeable" and then there's "unlikeable".... I mean, at the least, written characters for a medium that is supposed to entertain, engage, satisfy viewers -- characters should at least be fun to dislike. Simply annoying because it's the character's "right" to be annoying is pretty shallow and, well, stupid.

For the record, I came to like Che as the relationship w/Miranda deteriorated and she was depressed. I did, never, believe that Che was so "hot" that her ex-husband would still want to have sex with her... so much of the plot of AJLT just in unbelievable. And there's "unbelievable" and then there's "unbelievable".........

I'm cautiously optimistic because you never know with this show but I think it's taking a step in the right direction - the Che breakup, Aidan's arrival, and the Samantha cameo.

Apparently in the season finale Carrie finally shows her tits!

And there’s unlikable.

Che was an asshole. If the character had been a cis male then everyone would point out that they were verbally abusive. "THIS IS MY WORK!"

"MPK on the end of the Che/Miranda romance:

There are a lot of reasons to keep someone in the show beyond, ‘Oh, their love interest faded out.’ And something that’s as vibrant as Che and as magnificent as what Sara Ramirez can do as an actor, it’s right there for the picking."

That is some world class gaslighting.

I've never had a computer that whooshes when i send an email.

Vibrant? Magnificent? CHE? I think all would be forgiven if they were seen as a skillful and funny stand-up. They weren't.

I suspect the writers room is filled with diversity hires and no one is telling them no.

[quote] I've never had a computer that whooshes when i send an email.

What kind of computer/mail system do you have? I've had several that do.

Does MPK know people think the show is terrible?

R230 having zero awards attention must have been a blow

The problem with the writers room starts from the top. Sam Irby, who is one of the writers, is incredibly smart and funny. Of course, these might be the wrong characters for her as they are mostly vapid.

For whomever asked above, yes Madison Apothecary is a real store. It’s one of a handful of old school Upper East Side pharmacies that survive out of local loyalty. They typically sell higher end products than your average Duane Reade.

"Goddamn. Steve GUTTED Miranda during that argument. He should have let her leave into the storm."

For 30 seconds, then apologized, and gave in to Miranda's BS about him fucking other people and suggesting that they're somehow "even."

Be that as it may R234 she went out into the snow and he stayed in the home HE built.

I notice neither of them fought about who keeps Brady. Steve said Miranda didn’t want him, but never said he’d take the kid in the divorce… Just the house.

Brady has a fire crotch.

Isn't Brady 20ish? He can live with whoever he chooses to live with. If he's working in Steve's bar doesn't he have to be 21?

All that time in that house and Steve never once tried to get his name on the mortgage?

In Arkansas, Texas, and now Wisconsin, 14 year olds can work in bars.

R87 - as to why Carrie called Che. She met Che at the podcast right? and this was before Che met Miranda.

CliCHE was Carrie's podcast boss.

You think the writers changed Miranda? What about Steve?

Not too long ago, Steve was handy around the house and, according to Miranda's reports of having the best sex of her life, pretty darned skillful with other body parts too. But sometime in the years between the "Sex and the City" movie and this show, the writers forgot Steve's role in this fantasy's ecosystem. Steve is the sensible, sensitive mate who evens us out as opposed to the kicked hound dog who waits by the door for his mistress. He returned to us as a hard-of-hearing grampa putting up with his kid loudly banging his girlfriend in the other room, morosely insisting to Carrie that he was fully devoted to the promise of 'til death do us part.

Cut to a couple of episodes ago, with its lingering shot of Steve knocking around the old punchball and launching many admiring headlines celebrating his "revenge bod." It's not as if Eigenberg ever slacked off in maintaining his physique; he also plays a main role in "Chicago Fire."

But that reaction tells us how effective "And Just Like That" has been in propping up the illusion that Steve's testosterone cratered over the years. Steve's biceps were so hypnotic that Miranda's observation to Carrie moments later – "It's the silent agreement Steve and I cosigned," she said of her living situation. "He's not allowed to punch me in the face, and I'm not allowed to take up any more space than the couch" – may not have turned enough sensors red.

Nobody's implying there was ever any danger of Steve physically assaulting Miranda. But emotional manipulation counts too.

Miranda is spiky and no-nonsense, so when she throws everything out the window in "And Just Like That" it is entirely contradictory to what we expect of her. Even so, it fits our picture of what would happen if someone who spent their whole life trying to avoid mistakes leaped off a cliff, mainly out of curiosity.

We've grown accustomed to Steve being her harness, holding steady and ensuring a safe return. Their first reconciliation after Steve's transgression was beautiful; also, maybe it was a pause on a ticking time bomb.

But to salvage Miranda, it's time she shed everything preventing her from replenishing her character, including a guy that was always too good for her but ideal for us. "And Just Like That" has the potential to do better by all of them and its audience. So in the spirit of "Widow-Con," let it die so all of us can move on.

Steve, like most humans, can do better than Miranda.

As can the world.

Did Steve's hearing get better all of a sudden? They portrayed him as a falling apart old man last season and now he's not.

R247 it’s call the writing minds of SJP and MPK! Anything goes!

Steve was never too good for Miranda until maybe now.

R249 I agree. She actually treated him well when they broke up in season 3, letting him stay on her couch til he found somewhere that wasn't a fleapit to rent.

It's the lousy writing that spoiled their dynamic. They are a good on-screen team but that's spoiled by her affair.

I was surprised to sort of liking this episode. The (too short) dinner party where Carrie revels her stalking and the Miranda dramas were ok and reminded me of the original series.

Charlotte was ridiculous but i did not mind it(unlike the Chanel dress episode). The one part that bugs me are the Wexley family, their almost non-existence story lines are a mistery to me. My solitary at my desk lunch had more drama.

Is confessed alcoholic Kristin Davis back on the booze?

She's slurring her words all over the place in this interview.

I don’t think she can speak properly because all the fillers have affected the musculature in the bottom of her face.

I couldn't focus on Kristin since Jenna had that necklace medallion in her exposed bust.

The Wesley’s story so far:

I forgot to book the driver - run to the Met Gala.

I forgot to send the party invites - everyone better eat up!

I forgot to order the cake - meh

Comptroller election coming up - better not appear to be anything but boring. No dancing. No costumes.

^*Wexleys

Does this explain his bad acting?

Every time I read that quote from Nixon about it being a very brief, very small cameo I can't help but think Cattrall isn't bullshitting about what a petty environment it was to work in.

Cynthia supports the strikers.

Cynthia's t-shirt. . . My eyes may never unroll.

Fuck you, you fucking lying cunt Cynthia Nixon. You're no lesbian.

I think Kim is a bit of a drama girl herself but I agree that the rest of the SATC girls sound like cunts.

It seems fitting that Kristin Davis’s face no longer works

Cynthia Nixon’s hips are jumbo tron

SJP looks like something that fell out of a drain

I've noticed Kristin seeming to have difficulty speaking on the show sometimes. She does slur and l do think it has to do with her facial surgeries.

Used to like Cynthia a lot. Then she ran for governor and it turned out she was a fraud. Was totally ill-equipped, even by actress-runs-for-office standards. Empty talk.

Kristin has Lauren Sanchez Joker mouth. Beyond creepy.

Carrie Bradshaw isn't the problem with And Just Like That.... Her wealth is.

Aidan… stay away, far away, be very afraid! And if it gets that far, insist on a pre-nup! Yes, I know Carrie has her own substantial wealth, but she can never have too much.

The unspoken shroud over this redo: the absence of Samantha: her beauty, her wit, her kindness, her style, her daring, her courage.

What's with Carrie and her completely trivial wardrobe choices, to her detriment? That coat would be ruined in a blizzard--which, if the writers had thought about it, would be a mix of snow and sand and salt.

I sort of agree with the article. Big was always portrayed as having money and being successful, so it's not crazy that she would have a big inheritance. But, it probably would have been more interesting if she, for whatever reasons (bad investments by big, failure of younger people to take to her work), wasn't rich. I'm not saying make her a poor near 60-something. But someone who had a some financial cushion/savings, but not enough that she could just coast - she had to do something and recreate herself at an older age.

I knowthis has been discussed but it still bugs the shit out of me that none of these women appear to have parents. I know Miranda's mother died but it would be more realistic to have Carrie say "have to go see my mom this weekend" or Charlotte have her parents over to see their grandchildren in an episode. These gals all seem to have been dropped off by storks in NY. As far as I could tell Carrie's mom wasn't even invited to her big wedding from the first movie.

r261

Is Miranda a lesbiana now since Che was non binary.

r271

it was weird that when Charlotte was discussing sex with Lily she said my parents and not your grandparents

I wasn't talking Miranda, R272, I meant Cynthia with her Marsha and Sylvia bullshit.

Who are Marsha and sylvia?

You sweet summer child. Just forget you asked and move on.

[Quote]SJP looks like something that fell out of a drain

And just like that, R262 made me laugh out loud.

"Thank Two People Who Weren't There!"

Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries (STAR) was a gay, gender non-conforming and transvestite street activist organization founded in 1970 by Sylvia Rivera and Marsha P. Johnson, subculturally-famous New York City drag queens of color. STAR was a radical political collective that also provided housing and support to homeless LGBT youth and sex workers in Lower Manhattan. Rivera and Johnson were the "mothers" of the household, and funded the organization largely through sex work. STAR is considered by many to be a groundbreaking organization in the queer liberation movement and a model for other organizations.

And has ZERO to do with gays and lesbians getting their rights.

"Kohler told Carter that although Rivera had not been at the uprising, he hoped that Carter would still portray her as having been there. Another Stonewall veteran, Thomas Lanigan-Schmidt, claimed that he wanted to add her "so that young Puerto Rican transgender people on the street would have a role model."[19] When Kohler and Rivera had a discussion over whether Kohler would back Rivera's claims to Carter for the book, Rivera asked Kohler to say that Rivera threw a Molotov cocktail. Kohler responded, "Sylvia, you didn't throw a Molotov cocktail!" Rivera continued to bargain with him, asking if he'd say she threw the first brick. He replied, "Sylvia, you didn't throw a brick." The first bottle? He still refused. Finally Kohler agreed to lie and say Rivera had been there and had at some point thrown a bottle"

Is this where we get the myth a trans person threw the first brick at Stonewall?

After all these years, Nixon shares who she wanted Carrie to end up with. “I was always Team Aidan,” she says. “Definitely Team Aidan.”

^says the jizz hating lesbo.

"Go get our girl."

please tell me MPK wrote something better for Kim than You go, gurl.

Nixon also shares her thoughts on the dissolution of Steve and Miranda as a couple, which was tough not only on viewers but on the people making And Just Like That... “Even within our own cast and crew, there was a lot of anxiety about what happened with Steve and Miranda last season,” Nixon says. “There were actually Team Steve and Team Miranda buttons that people wore. Sara Ramirez once, to torment me, actually took a Team Steve button and put it on.” Speaking of Ramirez: Although Che and Miranda are no longer together, Nixon hints this doesn’t mean it’s the end of the road for Ramirez’s tenure on And Just Like That… “Che didn’t come into the show, through Miranda, right? Che is their own person,” Nixon says. “Obviously we’ve never had two main characters date each other before, much less breakup with each other. So, how does that work? I think it’s fun.”

R285 since when is Che a main character? Bit disrespectful to Big, Steve, Harry to suggest they were less "main characters" than Che. Cynthia really shouldn't give such unfiltered interviews. I agree she seemed much more intelligent in the past before she got lofty Govenor ideas

R286 Nixon is clearly clitmatized.

There's no way Nixon could back away from her position. Miranda is now Nixon. It won't even have occurred to her. She and King are probably still clucking together over how people just don't get it.

I think the test audience response to Che's show was meant to be meta i.e. expressing what the real public felt about Che. I think if Che had been more embraced by us her show would have been a hit on AJLT. They could still have broken up with Miranda even if the show was a hit.

I think this is all HBO saying fucking fix it.

^ Extending the thought, S2 is much, much lighter and more evocative of the original series than that gawdawful trudge uphill with Che on our backs, yodelling in S1 of the return. Why the change of heart when they were all so fucking stubborn in the press about S1 and us not getting it? Because HBO brought the hammer down. Follow the money. At this age, when is MPK or SJP or KD going to have another shot at anything marquee? They aren't. It was a future of selling shoes, flipping through old Tom Bianchi books by the pool and attending conventions otherwise. Nixon's the only one with a real future in performing, paradoxically. She helped (almost) kill the show but has the chops to keep working

Also, remember that Nixon has a “trans son.” That further explains why Nixon is so determined to forced all of this into the Miranda character even though it makes no sense to who she initially was.

Cynthia Nixon lives her life on a tilt a whirl…every day is a surprise and a new adventure!

‘And Just Like That…’ Actor Julie Halston Wants a Bitsy von Muffling Sex Scene: ‘I Have Pretty T–s’

Ok. Whatever. We can do that.

Cool it with the quotes around Cynthia’s “trans son.”

For Christ’s sake, this is a gay board and some of you sound like brain dead MAGATs.

Nixon’s trans son?! Were they formerly Julie or formerly Tricia?

[quote] Cool it with the quotes around Cynthia’s “trans son.” For Christ’s sake, this is a gay board and some of you sound like brain dead MAGATs.

Fuck you

Muriel fuck us every one!

R294. Let me warm up my fingers

Does Sara Ramirez have incriminating pictures of MPK and Cynthia Nixon fucking their dogs or what?

At least you didn't put quotes around dogs.

Or what for that matter

Just saw ep7 and I didn’t hate it, in fact I liked it a little better than ep6. That’s damning with faint praise but it was an ok way to pass 44 minutes.

OP, I miss the photo of Cynthia Nixon's mosquito bites!

More of the new show wit:

Miranda: I'm done with Dick-ens!

Nya is having a Mevening.

The vet is trans. what a surprise.

Henry Wexley is supposed to be a college student and looks about 30.

I like Aidan's refusal to go back into her apartment but when he was standing in the road I was expecting a car to come and hit him.

I didn't understand the lesbian needing to wash her bedsheets thing, particularly as Miranda was later sitting on the bed.

This episode was tough on service people. That poor girl at the massage place who was just doing her job and Seema was so rude to her. The hostess at the restaurant who Harry swore at - hey try using your own phone to call for an ambulance. I guess the waiter at the restaurant chewing gum was to scream - You're in the wrong place, Carrie.

How can Aiden keep making the same mistake? I guess he’s trying to re-write the earlier trauma.

I see a lot of this kind of thing in my working class friends. Trying to reunite with lost loves. It screams dysfunction to me. You’re not even the same person you were 25 years ago. And if you are… that’s tragic.

Surprised Carrie would go there. Though I guess it’s not a documentary.

How are people supposed to be on these characters side?

I must be in the minority disliking Seema and I think she's a poor replacement for Samantha. Sam was warm and could laugh at herself but Seema comes off as cold and fairly humorless.

Samantha was a wonderful character in that she was confident but also showed sensitivity and kindness as well as a live-and-let-live mentality. Think of her scoring a cancer specialist appointment for herself and the nun.

I agree! Samantha was sexually liberated but she wasn’t a bitch.

Seema would not have been nice to broke Carrie from seasons 1-4z

Like the previous episode they seem to save the best part for the last 6 mins eg Miranda and Steve fight, Carrie and Aidan.

I don't like Seema either. She made some comment that was anti-man and it was something Samantha would never have said. Remember when Samantha gave that short guy a chance to prove he was good in bed?

Bitsy IS the new Samantha!

There was something really off about that lesbian date scene with the woman and her cat. It read as misguided as that previous terrible penis pump scene of past episode. I can't understand why Cynthia Nixon of all people would agree to play such a scene that is so humiliating to a lesbian, even if it is supposed to be comic.

If Cynthia is drawing on experience from her own life, imagine the courtship between her and Rojo Caliente!

Carrie must have told the cab driver where to take her and Aidan so him getting out of the car and being shocked at the location seems unbelievable.

I thought the idea of the lesbian scene was interesting, and very New York. A lot of fabulous public people live in shitty apartments and are very different in their private lives. But like most everything with the show, the scene was written and executed poorly.

What was Aiden wearing? It looked like he was about to jump out of a plane.

I am so over Charlotte. She's a fucking Karen and nobody notices it? And what the fuck was Miranda eating in that lunch scene? Meringue with a side of ice cream?

It was great to see Aidan again, but that whole scene in the street? How old are these writers? In their teens?

Shouldn't one of Nya's friends have been white? What happened to diversity?

[quote]Nya is having a Mevening.

Has she done anything else all season? Useless character

There was a scene last season where Carrie met up with a guy for a date... only to tell him that she couldn't go on a date with him. Aidan having second thoughts about going back to Carrie's apartment reminded me of that. People just don't think/behave that way. Part of SATC's appeal was how their lifestyles were a fantasy, but their feelings were relatable. AJLT shat the bed in that regard.

And they give poor LTW some truly terrible dialogue. Nya's character is a dud as well, but at least she got to eat that soufflé.

The scene in the shoebox apartment with the dirty litterbox reminded me of so many of the glamorous AOL hookups I had back in the 90s.

What don't you understand, r310? You know that a bed without sheets on it still exists, right? It can still be sat upon.

Why is the Italian guy going on Drew Barrymore with a hard on? Big dicks are one thing, but that was an erection.

Why is the Italian guy getting cozy with Anthony in the coming attractions. Yeah, like that would happen.

r332

he is cute though

Okay, how does Carrie say she doesn't have a working number for Aidan when she's getting texts from him?

Gramma, do you understand that the number labeled "Aidan" in your phone IS Aidan's number?

I'm flabbergasted at the stupidity of the idea that "Rock" made such a splash in the modeling world. She has no "look"; she's just a sloppy teenager, not very tall, with a marshmallow face. And I'm not criticizing the actress; she looks fine. But the idea that someone who looks like that is suddenly fielding multiple offers from major agencies?

She has a look, r335. You don't have a look. Get one.

[quote]I'm flabbergasted at the stupidity of the idea that "Rock" made such a splash in the modeling world.

Yes, it's ridiculous!

They could have had way more fun with Charlotte's brownie.

How did Carrie wind up at the only empty restaurant on VD?

I thought the Wexley stuff was silly funny.

But -

fuck, same old Aiden. Drama queen.

r334

Well Aiden had hers but they have said many times how tech illiterate Carrie is

and I guess the whole restaurant confusion/cell phone scene actually happened to MPK and Chris Noth

Episode 7:

I knew Aiden was going to show up, but I was surprised that they moved so quickly on reigniting their relationship.

Miranda and Che are better apart. I like Miranda trying things with different women, even if she was sort of rude in leaving.

Anthony's bread guys were hot, and the big dick guy was throw away funny.

Plots with the Wexley children seem like spreading things too thin, but whatever.

Charlotte realizing she focuses on everyone but herself is probably a good thing.

I think Ramirez is a talented actress. She has a lovely voice and a likeable quality that I can't define. She lost that playing Che 1.0. Now they've dialled Che back a lot, she transcends the mediocre material. I don't mind the character at all. I think the problem was they were unable to write/show Che as funny so they had to say she was funny, which nobody bought. She was obnoxious in season one and she carried blame for the Miranda/Steve breakup, which a lot of people just didn't like as a storyline idea.

People had problems with Che’s being unattractive.

By real life standards, Che is average looking. But I guess people don’t want to see that on tv.

Ramirez at the time of Spamalot, was considered gorgeous. Now with the weight gain and the short hair, not so much.

I thought the print ad for Rock was believable - it looked very Ralph Lauren and she looked good. At this point in time there is a market for non-traditional models. So Rock being wanted by agencies after the RL shoot doesn't feel like a stretch. I can run with it.

Sara Ramirez in Spamalot

Thank God she's too stout to play Norma Desmond!

Sara can be quite pretty, This Che persona is not doing her any favors, Che is rude and obnoxious... I hate how they think they can just smoke pot everywhere

Che picks up stray puppies! What's not to love??!?????

Too busy with too many people.

But the first not-bad episode.

[quote] I like Miranda trying things with different women, even if she was sort of rude in leaving.

Not as rude as inviting somebody for a first date and immediately leaving to do some fucking laundry for who knows how long.

She was awesome in Spamalot.🙃

It went downhill from there… G Anatomy 🤢. AJLT🤮

I was delighted to see Miriam Shor in the role. I know she’s been in a lot, but I’ll always see her as Cricket Caruth-Reilly of GCB.

Mariam did it for the money. No art here.

I feel like we're getting the old Miranda back.

What a shock it must have been for her to see a real studio apartment.

Why was Aidan dressed like a Cossack?

The Aiden outfit did make me chuckle. Odd choice. Aiden had a baby. I don't remember if he got married to the designer he had the baby with. The kid and the partner were only mentioned in passing in SATC when Carrie ran into him. I don't remember if Aiden was part of the movies - I only saw the first one.

What about Carrie’s NEWSIES getup?

[quote]Why was Aidan dressed like a Cossack?

I was seeing something from the fourth or fifth Star Wars.

Is Aiden still a silent investor in Steve's bar? Not that it really matters; I'm sure it won't be addressed.

I think Aiden has 3 kids and in one of the previews, Carrie, Aiden and Steve have a scene together

I think so r360. Actually, maybe that's why Aiden's really here. To seize control of the vast Steve's chain of bars and mysteriously empty restaurants, in an underhanded plot that will lead to hairpulling and fights in fountains!

I think Carrie said Aidan was divorced so he must have been married to somebody.

r363

In SATC, when he saw Carrie in Season 6, he said he married another designer and they had one kid, Tate. I think in movie 2 we learn about the other kids

R364. Thanks. I couldn't remember if he said they were married or not. I wonder if the got married or Maui-eed.

Will Petrovsky eventually show up?

[quote] Okay, how does Carrie say she doesn't have a working number for Aidan when she's getting texts from him? Gramma, do you understand that the number labeled "Aidan" in your phone IS Aidan's number?

Not necessarily. He could have changed his number from the last time she contacted him (which would make sense considering he's moved a few times), but she likely had the same one. So whatever she was calling prior to his text was likely the wrong phone. Also, when his text popped up, it was a phone number, it didn't say "Aidan," so it was clearly not a number she had programmed into her phone.

[quote]Not necessarily. He could have changed his number from the last time she contacted him (which would make sense considering he's moved a few times), but she likely had the same one.

Oh dear fucking GOD, you dizzy CUNTS.

THIS

IS

FICTION

John Corbett looks good. However, he looks like Bryan Cranston now. And his teeth look like dentures, though they're probably veneers or something.

MARY me all you want but I teared up when Carrie and Aidan embraced outside the restaurant. Loved their scenes together. This season has been so promising I'm kind of hoping they get renewed.

R370 = Cynthia Nixon

I couldn't help but wonder if Lisa would be so freaked by her son's girlfriend if she wasn't white.

John Corbett looks like a deflated balloon. I assume Ozempic.

He mentioned to Carrie that he lost 40 pounds - so I guess Corbett/Aiden's weight loss is baked into the script/arc.

Yea, every time that I moved I had to change my cell #

If Aidan refuses to ever go inside Carrie's apartment isn't this going to be a problem in the future? Remember when she made a big deal about Big not ever wanting to go to her apartment in the early days?

The big-dicked Italian guy in the store selling poems for $1. Surely he would be charging more in NYC for his special poems?

I believe the Italian poet is the OP of the ‘Male Bush’ thread and is making a dollar for every haiku we write.

These writers don’t know how to write male characters. Which is interesting. I imagine women watch other things and feel that way a lot. In no world do men speak the way Aidan spoke in front of Carrie’s building. Harry is defined by being a dad. Steve by losing Miranda. Anthony by bread & Dick jokes.

R376: “ If Aidan refuses to ever go inside Carrie's … isn't this going to be a problem in the future?”

Yes.

Despite all of the pain he experienced in their past relationshipS Aidan is all too happy to see Carrie again.......but not her apartment. Man those hardwood floors scarred him for life.

Can someone remind me what happened at the end of Carrie and Aidan’s relationship to give him such girlish vapors now?

Did anyone else expect Aidan to get hit by a truck when he stepped into the street and turned around?

I completely forgot the apartment debacle.

But one thing I will give that stupid whine is it did kind of underscore how creepy it is Carrie never gave it up. I could see keeping it as a bolthole to write... I could see at the height of your grief perhaps retreating to it for awhile... but there does seem to be something stunted about still living in it. I doubt that's the reaction anybody intended but this show is a triumph of unintended consequences.

LOL. Me too, r383!

And Just Like That’ Writers on Aidan and Carrie’s Reunion: “We Have Tricks Up Our Sleeves”

R382 - In season 3 Carrie ended the relationship with Aidan because she was also seeing Big on the side. in season 4 Carrie convinces Aidan to restart their relationship. He moves into her apartment after purchasing it when her building goes co-op and then proposes. Despite her misgivings, Carrie accepts the proposal and then eventually realizes she's not ready for marriage. Despite discussing her concerns and initially agreeing to give her more time, Aidan soon pressures Carrie for marriage. She realizes this is because he does not trust her, given her past affair with Big. They break up and he moves out.

^ Her repeated You have to forgive me says that Aidan ended their relationship the first time round when he learned she was also sleeping with Big.

[quote] Yea, every time that I moved I had to change my cell #

There are many reasons why people change their cell numbers when they move, so lose the attitude, shopbottom.

As long as Carrie only sees him in the nighttime, it'll be alright. If he catches her in daylight, he'll run off screaming in horror!

Michael Patrick Keeblerelf just admitted they're reading (my bold):

[quote]He continued, “So here we are now, bringing Aidan back, again, and we have tricks up our sleeves as to how he is new and what we can actually do with the storyline considering — and it’s a very big consider — all the water under the bridge, all the pain they’ve already been through, how much Carrie has hurt him in the past — [bold]according to fan boards… twice [/bold] — and how badly he took the break up.”

[quote]“Carrie points out in the scene that it’s been 13 years since she’s even seen Aidan. Which is kind of shocking to think about the stuff we’re about to pull off, which is John Corbett, Sarah Jessica in a scene after 14 years of an absence. That never happens, because no one plays a character for 25 years. Sarah Jessica did.”

Try telling that to Glenn Close.

R387 I don't think he pressures her as much as it's clear she's not going to be ready any time soon. She stops him from knocking through the wall when he buys the apartment next door and wears her engagement ring around her neck

Well, this was the first episode I’ve enjoyed since it started. The Bread guy stuff was funny. There is still a lot to dislike, but it is improving. I see they are finally addressing Charlotte’s weight next episode.

r394

is that a start of a late in life baby?

R393 Doesn’t she finally concede that it’s likely she would never be “ready” to marry him? She was ready to marry Big, though. I wonder if Aidan is going to exact some revenge or maybe that’s too dramatic for this show.

A viewer posted this to the Times recap of the latest episode re: Carrie’s search for a man:

“Maybe, just maybe, a man out there is willing to date a gorgeous, funny, accomplished 56-year-old with gazillions of dollars.”

This describes Carrie???

R395 I would not put that past this show. I really don’t think a 56 year old woman can get pregnant and why would they even want to??

I bet Aidan will cheat on her. Character assassination for a plot point.

I CANT with the Aidan bs. Miranda crowing about how great her and Carrie having dates on Valentines at 65 (forgot the number she cited, but I'm pretty sure that's close), JUST NO. And the dating websites? Charlotte and Harry are pathetic as parents. I can say that the Wexleys are the most entertaining people on this show, trapping that little purse hussy was hysterical.

Hey, Che can't be all bad if they rescue a puppy, right? Next they will help an old lady cross the road. Or did they already do that with Carrie?

R400 all I was thinking in that scene in Lisa's room-size closet was how she needed to comb out her wig bangs.

Am I the only one who felt sorry for the Jane Austen voice actor? She can't help living in a bedsit and Miranda was there for pussy and some dirty lesbo chat.

Well, she got pussy r403.

R403 it was rude of her to change plans on Miranda at the last minute plus not even bother scooping the cat litter!

R403 At one point I had to live in a damned railroad in Bushwick when it was getting marketed as 'East Williamsburg Industrial Park'. Yet I still managed to keep it from being a nightmare cat box from hell when I had randoms over.

Don't feel bad for a slob who doesn't care enough about themselves or their pets (cats won't use a dirty box, but will be glad to leave a F@ck You pee in the most destructive of places) to keep a semi tidy space with a clean catbox.

r398

remember she was still getting her aunt Flo last season

Hack writers and sad bitches in failed marriages agree: A Baby Solves Everything!

I think Carrie should get pregnant with Aidens baby. She is eternally 30 according to the show

r409

or 56 as stated by Miranda in this week's ep

I was so excited to see Miriam Shor - what a fucking waste of a very talented actor.

I did like this episode more than most of the others.

If anyone should get knocked up it's Che.

R412 Can you knock up a self professed 'fuckboy' get knocked up? Between their age and weed consumption those eggs are baked.

I wasn't crazy about the episode. While it wasn't terrible like some of the god awful season one episodes, I only laughed once and it was when Harry yelled "get a fucking ambulance!" The Aidan reunion felt a little rushed but overall their dialogue was sweet and right. Yeah no straight man would give that speech about the apartment bringing back bad memories. The cliffhanger ending basically says Aidan is her fuck buddy at this point.

R414 In real life Aidan would've found a perky 30 something with zero baggage who loves frau life.

Are Aidans kids supposed to be in college? Carrie doesn't 'do' kids. She could barely stand the man's damned dog, how would her perfect life be torpedoed if kids were a part of it.

r415

His firstborn Tate should be about Brady's age

The problem with this show is in the writing. I'm sure the writer's room is full of queer black women and MPK is not holding them to any standards. At the end of the day MPK and SJP are only it for the cultural relevancy and cash grab. While they're probably all like oh the legacy of the original series stands on its own, the fans are now crying that AJLT is shitting on the original series.

Not a fan of Carrie in general, but SJP is doing a slightly downbeat thing that’s working for the character.

‘And Just Like That’ Writers Discuss Aidan’s Future Storyline In Revival Series

Aidan scoured the esrth

Im sure Cynthia Nixon was heavily involved in the writing of Aiden’s arc since she wrote most of Che/Miranda/Professor storylines as well as making sure Kim Cattrall’s scene was a secret, SMALL cameo

R421 Nixon isn't a writer, she likely just named her storyline terms for returning - having Miranda come out and for it to be "progressive". I doubt she has much say over the other plots

The Daily Mail does a round up of articles describing why everybody hates Carrie.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Who actually wrote Kim's cameo? As it sounded like no one but the head of the company was involved in setting it up, with MPK and Co being blindsided by it happening.

R425, when you put it that way, it's kind of delicious imagining MPK taking those calls.

I hope, some day, the story of how HBO intervened is Rolling Stoned or something. The ego, the drama, the obedience to money... be fun.

Does anybody else think maybe if there's a 3 Cattrall is back (with a bank account full of lovely money?) Or is her cameo part of the final send off of the whole series?

Has anyone in the history of the show(s) ever said one insulting thing to the character of Carrie? I can’t think of anything. It always beautiful, gorgeous, fabulous, perfect body, amazing, etc.

R428 in the early seasons they were pretty realistic about her, she criticized her own nose and felt embarrassed to be walking a runway with "real" models.

There's also the episode where she looks like shit on a magazine cover, farts in bed with Big and some characters like Samantha, Miranda and Aidan occasionally called her out.

However in the later seasons she was reimagined as some sort of goddess. I actually thought Parker did really good work portraying a flawed but realistic person in the early years before she became unassailably "fabulous!"

R429, it seemed to coincide with the overemphasis on fashion. I was thinking on that after Miranda's (admittedly fabulous) purple date dress. Could/would Miranda afford that? With a mortgage, a kid to educate, nowhere to live and being a student? But cram her in. Pat Field always dressed Carrie as over the top but it used to be affordably over the top. It's two shows. The early show, which was so unique, and the later show, which was focus group meets clothes horse. I have always said it was MPK that ruined the show. It changed in his reign. After all, he brought us the second movie... if anything proves how clueless he is about this franchise, it was that. Wasn't a one off. Like that Salon (?) piece said years ago, grown up gay men playing with Barbies.

Yea R430 every piece of clothing became an "outfit" and too focused and unrealistic. Wear some slacks and a tee at home!

[quote]I actually thought Parker did really good work portraying a flawed but realistic person in the early years before she became unassailably "fabulous!"

I really agree with this.

Deadbeat

R422 Nixon also insisted that Miranda get together with Che instead of the professor.

R434 r433 Nixon also insisted on not paying her bills!

Carrie getting called out for being shitty happened a few times. Samantha called her out for being judgmental when she saw Sam blowing the deliver guy. Miranda told her that Carrie was a needy mess when she was with Big and wasn't going to deal with the aftermath again. Stanford called her out for only talking about herself when he had a new bf. And when Carried tried to guilt Charlotte into giving her down payment money for her apartment, Charlotte told her that she needed to fix her own finances. That's about all I can think of.

The writers bitch slapped Carrie by having Berger treat her as badly as Carrie treated Aidan.

That’s really not much R436.

R436 I can't stand Carrie but in her defense she didn't try to guilt Charlotte into giving her the downpayment, she was furious because when Samantha & Miranda offered to loan her the money and empathized (to Carrie's credit she refused) Charlotte said nothing and turned away. That's why Carrie yelled at her.

R438 Miranda also called her out when she sent Aidan over to help when Miranda threw out her neck in the shower.

Well Miranda got her back by while Carrie was convalescing in her bed from hip surgery, having to pee in a Snapple bottle because Miranda was too busy getting fingered by Che in the kitchen just a few feet away.

That scene was one of the worst choices in script history. Like WTF were they thinking?

R440. CARRIE THE CUNT DIDN'T EVEN BRING CREAM CHEESE!!!!

Honest question: Does Kristen Davis have some kind of speech impediment? She has a disconcerting slurry thing going on, like she can't open her mouth fully.

I'd contend that going to someone's house and yelling at them because they didn't offer you money is trying to guilt them. Whatever you want to call it, it was beyond shitty.

Kristin sounded ok in the Today interview in June.

Would Carrie give up NYC?

Maybe we'll see her move to Aidan's now $2M Upstate abode. We already know Aidan lives outside of NYC (had to come in for a meeting) and drives a motorcyle (that Belstaff jacket was a symbol for something). And the writers have left her in that tiny apartment all season for some reason.

Carrie ending up living in the country with Aidan and his kids would make sense. Aidan doesn't want NYC memories with her. It would allow her to pack away her life with Big as something special, without feeling she's replacing it. It would place her in the country in a life very similar to the one SJP herself holds dear.

Carrie was scared of a squirrel. I can't see her living in the country.

Sounds like frau heaven r447, and hell for Carrie.

All 3 of the OG called out Carrie for having such a narrow view of sexuality when she was famous for writing a sex column

Stop making things up, r421.

I thought she said Aiden was living in Maryland.

"Carrie was scared of a squirrel. I can't see her living in the country."

She was obnoxiously performatively scared to underscore how much she didn't want to be there. I doubt she was actually scared. There's plenty of squirrels in NYC.

Aiden’s freak out gives Carrie a reason to relocate to Che’s vs hotel sets.

R24 because in season 3 she wasn’t married. She felt more guilt in SATC2 because she was now A. Older and B. MARRIED.

Are you stupid?

R47 you always talk so much shit without ever knowing what you’re talking about. Sarah Jessica Parker didn’t win awards for her performance as Carrie? She won 4 Golden Globes and 1 Emmy!!!

R63 because when her laptop goes blank in SATC season 4 all of her work that is saved on that laptop is now lost. That’s why she’s upset. She lost all her writing, including what she was currently working on.

In AJLT that isn’t the case. She just lost connection to a terrible interview. She no longer writes a column and learned how to backup her work years prior.

Context dude. Use your brain.

R65 you think drag queens are the originators of wigs? Are you stupid????

R100 clearly someone who isn’t from NYC. A transplant at best.

Snow has built up overnight here many times.

R456 I can't remember if I'm R47 but the post meant SJP got no awards attention for AJLT, not SATC, despite her dramatic performance in losing Big and becoming a widow

Kristin slurs because of fillers and whatever they do to lips to make them look like slugs.

Aidan now lives in Virginia.

Yeesh R455, R456, R457, R458, R459 take some CBD oil or something and chill out. It’s not that serious.

That episode with Carrie screeching about a squirrel and having a fit about the primitive cabin was ridiculous. That cabin was fine for a weekend cabin in the country. Talk about histrionics.

[quote] SJP is doing a slightly downbeat thing that’s working for the character.

I'm too old to smile. I can barely blink.

R264: Cynthia Nixon ran for Governor of New York State to make the point that Cuomo was an awful Governor who was enabling the Republican party in New York State in order to control them AND the Dems. He considered NY his personal fiefdom for life, and unfortunately any legitimate candidate was frightened to run against him because he would have destroyed their careers. He ruthlessly controlled both parties in the state.

Nixon knew this, had no political career to destroy, she knew she would go back to acting afterward, but managed to make the point that it was time for him to go. It was political theater, really, but it served a purpose and I’m grateful to her, it made it that much more evident that he was corrupt and needed to go, so when there were genuinely scandalous reasons to shitcan him, it all happened that much more quickly and happily. And no one misses him.

R425: MPK is the showrunner so he would've had to given the OK to the cameo. I'm not buying the whole we don't know how it happened thing and we wanted it to be a surprise. Even Cynthia when asked about the cameo said "we thought it'd be a fun thing for the 25th anniversary." So MPK and the girls were clearly instrumental in it happening and I personally think they leaked the news on purpose to generate interest and to get people to watch the entire season.

Nixon was jerking her lady dick at the thought that “Miranda” would get elected. She wasn’t any deeper than that, r466.

R466 is MPK’s third assistant script supervisor.

That’s not at all how it played out. She was a joke and everyone knew she was a joke. He was easily re-elected in the general election. He was brought down by forces that have absolutely nothing to do with what Cynthia thought, hoped for or dreamed of.

[quote]MPK is the showrunner so he would've had to given the OK to the cameo.

And without HBO, there's no show to run. He took the call and the marching orders.

For a show that y'all hate so much, it's clearly deserving of 3 shit-tastic threads.

I agree with a lot of the sentiments shared here, good and bad. I think the show is worth watching, and will stay with it until the bitter end.

The bread shop scene, where Anthony announces that anyone who's on HGH's has to leave, and they all leave, and then he tells them to leave their uniforms there, is one of the few scenes that remind me of the old SATC. Just silliness and fun.

I really like the Lisa and Nya characters, and wish they could just have their own spinoff, black lady version, of SATC. I feel like black-driven sitcoms are so basic, formulaic, and dull, with no sex appeal, generally speaking. If they could make a fun, sexy, sometimes awkward, emotional, show of four professional black women with sex lives, and standards of how they live, I would love to watch it.

I don’t understand the complaints about season 2. I actually think it’s a lot of fun and much much better than season 1.

The characters all feel like older versions of themselves and feel a lot truer to character than they did in season 1.

Miranda was always embarrassing herself. People think this is new. Rewatch the OG show.

I agree... 2 is much better than 1 (though what wouldn't be?) They still need to tighten it up a bit. Funnily, Miranda is the most expendable character. I don't say write her out, but you could confine her to a couple of lines at the diner every episode and it would be enough. She's not a loveable fuck up.

Miranda was only recognizable, escaping cat lady.

If we don’t get more of that Miranda …. well, I’m still gonna hate watch.

But I’d sure like to be entertained instead.

R474 what was different about the character in that scene that reminded you of the old Miranda?

"If they could make a fun, sexy, sometimes awkward, emotional, show of four professional black women with sex lives, and standards of how they live, I would love to watch it. "

Girlfriends, Insecure, Harlem are good places to start.

R475, it was the train wreck of a one-time date with Miranda exiting bitchily. Like the asshole in Central Park who marveled that Miranda would think of leaving Manhattan.

And she remembers she has to go home and feed her cat.

I agree that the second is better than the first season, and that there and many more moments that feel like the original series (last year there were almost none). The problem is that there is SO much bad that it overshadows the rest. They probably could have made a good show without any of the new characters or trying to be something they are not.

‘And Just Like That’ Showrunner Asked John Corbett to Lose Weight: ‘He Had to Be Rock-Hard’

I think it was a mistake to make John Corbett lose weight. He looks sickly.

This is good.

“I tend to trust Michael, almost implicitly, about his instincts” SJP said. I could easily recognize and understand that the Carrie-Aidan relationship is worthy of revisiting and that they might find one another again, given that Carrie is now single and that relationship was important and probably ended not in an ideal way.”

Fashion stylists are unsure about Aidan's military-inspired jacket. Putting him in a heather gray knit shirt was very on-brand, but not sure about the belted military jacket. In it, he reminded me of a bad guy from an “Indiana Jones” flick who forgot what movie he was in. It was almost like he was girding himself for emotional combat, which, I suppose, is fair! He did not look comfortable. Though he did look more bourgeois. but the man who yearns to spend his days upstate with minimal creature comforts while Carrie bakes a pie is not wearing that jacket.

Most normal people don't revisit a relationship that ended as badly as theirs did.

20 years later, to boot!

I think that quote by SJP really reveals Hollywood. She is the face of SATC, and could EASILY call the shots, but publicly puts all of her trust in MPK for storylines, EVEN when everyone around knows they are lame and legacy ruiners.

Kim Cattrall, who was a huge part of the success, publicly disagreed with the writing of her character for the third movie….and was tarred, feathered, and cut out.

Well, some people do. In my middle age, I have watched people I know get divorced/widowed/breakup and then immediately go to someone from college that they were with 20+ years ago. I had someone show up from my past wanting to reconnect 20 years on also. My response was No, Thanks!

When my uncle died, My aunt went back to her boyfriend right before my uncle. Her new husband's wife had recently passed away as well

I would love to see Berger again.. she should see him on a dating app

[quote]In my middle age, I have watched people I know get divorced/widowed/breakup and then immediately go to someone from college that they were with 20+ years ago

I worked with a woman who had been divorced for 15 years when her high school boyfriend got in touch with her. They married within a year and have been married for 20+ years.

Aiden has to diet yet Che is allowed to graze free range. It's evident MPK lacks imagination but I didn't know it was so bad it affected his wanking.

Aiden has always worn clothing that kind of goes against his character. Leather pants, turquoise jewelry, silky flowered shirts. The jacket didn't seem all that weird.

The character who rings the bell of absurdity is Charlotte. Her scenes are cringeworthy….she has become a KAREN and that seems like such an unlikely path for someone who came out of the art gallery world and did modeling for “cunt” paintings and a drag king photo shoot….it is like they completely ditched any of the previous seasons happenings…..I also find the crazy wealth and extravagance a bit annoying…..everything revolves around $$$

Charlotte needs a return visit from Mr Pussy to calm her the fuck down.

I bothered by how Carrie can get over Mr. BIg so fast after investing her entire emotional life with this Man especially given their bond and the fact that he tragically passed on still fairly young...

How do you get over the LOVE of your life dying after ALL the endless years spent together and that he was FINALLY her HUSBAND...!!!

I can't imagine running off to an old boyfriend a year after my husband died. But I know people grieve differently. And of course, I am a real person and not a TV character so it's probably not fair for me to compare.

R494, watching the Aidan story I thought somewhat similarly...I can see moving on but same old apartment, same old co-dependant... mix it up, lady. But I get Aidan isn't about storytelling as much as viewer relations.

Beggars can’t be choosers. Carrie is aging poorly and insists on having sex in her bra.

Who’s lining up for that?

[quote]When my uncle died, My aunt went back to her boyfriend right before my uncle. Her new husband's wife had recently passed away as well

How convenient…

[quote] ‘And Just Like That’ Showrunner Asked John Corbett to Lose Weight: ‘He Had to Be Rock-Hard’

R479 Thanks for linking the article. Otherwise, knowing MPK is the source of this quote, I'd naturally have assumed he meant something else by "Rock-Hard." 😏🍆😈

MPK wanted Corbett hungry enough to eat a horse.

I've known many people who went back to an old flame many decades later. The person above who said that normal people don't do that is dead wrong.

My best friend's parents just got back together after 25 years apart. Both their 2nd spouses died around the same time, they all still live in the same area, and so it seemed appropriate to them to revisit that relationship. When you get older, practicality = romance to some extent.

If they cancel AJLT I suppose they'll call any future reboot The Old Gray Mare.

Your best friend’s parents were not necessarily normal. ¿comprende?

I can't remember. In SATC was Carrie still sleeping with Big when she went with Aidan the second time around?

Last season was about breaking down the settled down lives they created in their late forties. This season is about sharing the embarrassing pitfalls of dating in your fifties. It is interesting to see the beats that are true to their old selves while seeing slight changes in the way they handle them at this stage of their lives. Charlotte’s CBD-fueled freak out was the last of the OC main characters to break out of their molds. It was fun to see how Charlotte realized how pathetic her life had become. It was a lot of things, but seeing LTW’s pity laugh at the Mr. Burton post had to signal to her that she had more to offer creatively and Rock’s refusal to model helped her to do something for herself like having her own They Mitzvah. The bad dates and questioning one’s journey is classic SATC and makes AJLT more enjoyable, IMHO.

R503 no I think she'd closed her muff after Natasha caught her fleeing the apartment and she confessed. She didn't let big ride her like a donkey until s5 when she was "horny" and went to California on a "book tour"

r503

no... that was during Carrie and Big's friend phase

Did she tell Aidan about them being friends or did Aidan do the You Can Never See Him Again trope?

r507

He definitely didn't like that they were still friends but they kinda bonded when Big was distraught after a break up with an actress and he came and stayed with Carrie and Aiden at his country house

Carrie's pussy was dripping at the site of Big & Aidan fighting it out over her

[quote]MPK wanted Corbett hungry enough to eat a horse.

HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MY SIDES. R499!!!

Oh how original and fresh!!! Have you thought about going into comedy?

You fucking moron.

Oops *sight. But as she also stood at the site of their fight I wasn't wrong the first time either

R504 “bad dates”? I’ve seen Miranda go on one date that she scored minutes after meeting the woman. Carrie still seems to have her pick of any guy and she is doing all the rejecting. The date with the widower where they both got smashed wasn’t a “bad date” either because they were both laughing their asses off and having fun.

Though "And Just Like That..." writer and producer Jullie Rottenberg wasn't originally sold on the idea of bringing Aidan Shaw back, she said on the same podcast episode that the return was believable.

"I think that's what happens when we're older, especially after a tragedy like Carrie has suffered," Rottenberg said, referring to the death of Bradshaw's husband Mr. Big. "Let's face it, you have fewer and fewer powerfully strong people in your life. So I believe that she would have reached out to (Shaw)."

B.S. frau talk

Aidan is Carrie’s bitch. In fact, all the husbands on the show are emasculated, powerless beta males. Another fantasy of this show.

I don't think that's true about Aidan yet. In his first episode back he made a stand about refusing to go into her apartment.

Yeah, r516, like a weak little girl!

R517 - Matt Damon

I never liked Aiden. He was always a whiny little bitch. Carrie has been accused of narcissistic behaviour but he he brought out the worst in her. Any attractive qualities he possessed were diminished by his neediness. Ironically, this is what Big represented for Carrie (shoe was on the other foot) and if the show was in any way realistic / true to its character arcs she never would have ended up with him.

Even Candace Bushnell has stated that she never envisioned a happy ending for Carrie with Big. But we had to keep the dumb frau viewers happy so....

Carrie and Big at least had a shared enjoyment of the bullshit of life in Manhattan. Carrie and Aidan are on different planets when it comes to values.

Sarah Jessica Parker Reveals Most Annoying Part Of And Just Like That Filming

MPK in this video looks like Aaron Spelling with dyed hair.

R522 he looks like Martin Short doing an impersonation of Aaron Spelling with dyed hair.

MPK is another old person who won't go away.

Special to R469: You’re clearly poor at reading and comprehension. I classified Cynthia Nixon’s run for Governor of NYS as political theater meant to start a discussion of what a tinpot authoritarian Andrew Cuomo had become.

She did it because every serious politician and aspiring politician in New York was afraid to do so. And even journalists were afraid to get on his bad side. Of course she lost by a landslide as she had no qualifications to be Governor.

I never implied her run or comments had anything to do with Cuomo’s eventual legal problems. But she was the first to publicly say the unsayable and it cleared the way for others to speak out about his thuggish behavior, which eventually led to his exit in disgrace.

She could have spoken up without running. Frankly, her run was embarrassing.

She truly believed she was qualified to run the state when she knew precious little.

One of the most embarrassing campaigns I’ve ever seen. (May be matched by that CSI NY actor who is running against Elisa Slotkin for the senate seat in MI.)

Wrong again

Maybe she will have Miranda run for office in Season 3?

R521 and it’s not that Sarah Jessica Parker doesn’t get to keep the AJLT clothes, she actively doesn’t want them.

Using the Habanera from Carmen for the scene with Anthony and Giuseppe.

Why is Lisa dressed like Batgirl?

Miranda's new boss is pregnant so are they setting this up for Miranda to be given the job to make the two co-workers even hate her more?

Fat Leila with a bare midriff outfit?

Yep was right about R32.

meant R532

Giuseppe was really sexy in this episode. I would LOVE to see Anthony happy.

Scenes with Aiden and Carrie are so CRINGE.

It’s bizarre to see them acting like they have no other options (other than each other.) These are wealthy, successful people.

Shouldn’t Carrie be dating Justin Trudeau or something?

Carrie is late 50s (though looks rougher), self-centered and has sex in her bra.

You think she’s a catch? Even with her money, unless she wants a user… no.

I didn't understand the Hamptons dilemma. Carrie arranged to house-share with Seema and now she wants to bring Aidan so Seema is out. Do Carrie and Aidan have to spend all their time together?!

R538 - well Aidan has sex in his briefs.

Why does the Cantone character have to be dating a much younger, gorgeous guy? I think Cantone looks fine but this kid is out of his league.

Why not a good-looking age appropriate guy? Would have been a great way to explore ageism in the gay community.

And he seemed to be running the bakery alone. Maybe he is after last week's hunk walk-out.

Seema trying to slither out of the boutique to avoid Carrie shows her true nature. She comes off as all proud and strong but in reality she is a coward.

I didn't realize you could be an intern at 56. Not that Miranda stayed one for long.

This ep slightly less bad than last week’s.

Last season Samantha was mentioned quite often. This season? Not so much.

I think they thought they were moving on.

But then HBO got involved, obviously. MPK and SP obviously had nothing to do with the cameo decision. Davis and Nixon were sent out to tamp down expectations. I wish Rolling Stone would write one of their blow the doors off it articles about the craziness on this show. Behind the scenes is far more interesting than any of the mediocrity they're cranking out at present.

Samantha's cameo's on 8/24.

what is the point in Carrie saying Big was a big mistake? She still didn't want to marry Aidan back then and she was married to Big for how long?

They keep foisting Seema on us as the “New Samantha” but Samantha Jones as played by Kim Cattrall wouldn’t be reacting the way Seema does. Samantha would confront Carrie (as she often did) not slither out

Haven't seen the new ep but judging from comments I take it Carrie dumps Seema for the summer? Bitch move. Remember Carrie was always the girl who ditched friends for guys.

There's no way in hell the two actual interns wouldn't understand what 30 yrs of practice vs a fresh degree would do for your upward mobility in a lawfirm. They're being depicted as twits, or entitled twats really.

R551 Seema pulled the 'I'm dumping you before I have to be a third wheel and you eventually dump me'

^ card.

Charlotte and that dress! I kept expecting her to start singing, "I've Written a Letter to Daddy".

They probably wouldn’t have gone the “Big was a Big mistake” angle without Chris Noth being cancelled last year. I’m sure SJP is happy to make a clean break.

Willy Falk from the OBC of Miss Saigon was the silver daddy neighbor. Lots of positives in this episode. Miranda is getting back to her old self, Che is sooooo much more likable, Charlotte inspired by the full figured bare midriff and realizing she doesn't need to be perfect and Aidan. I love the Carrie/Aidan scenes. The only false note was Anthony and the poet. I can believe Carrie finally realizing Big was all wrong for her because, well, he was.

R556

Was he though? They made each other happy( they got their happy ever after until he died)

I’m not sure Aiden and Carrie would have lasted 20 years ago… it can now that Big is truly out of the picture

One thing the show does poorly, and has increasingly done ever since MPK and SJP took control, is it fails to acknowledge when things are unexpected. So for instance, they could have had Anthony acknowledge that the gay poet is out of his league, and then had the poet talk about how he’s into daddies and cares more about the mind. Could have even been done effectively. But just like all the ways they pretend Carrie is something no one is actual New York would pretend she is, they just have us believe that this hot young gay guy is so attracted to hot young Anthony that he can’t resist his presence. It’s silly and weakens the show. All of these idiosyncrasies would be interesting if they were talked about rather than ignored.

It’s also kind of gross that Carrie, who now has fuck you money only because of Big, would write him off as a mistake.

Can we talk about Anastasia's shoulder pads? WTF.

Wait. So a show that was built around Carrie's pursuit of, and eventual marriage to, her "soul mate" is now claiming that person was a mistake? WTF?

Was Big a big mistake? - YES!!!

Do these writers really think that nonbinaries and transgenders would want to work at a pet store?

Well, a lot of fish have male and female reproductive organs.

I am so fucking tired of EVERY SINGLE EPISODE needing to explain pronouns.

Big was a scumbag. A charming scumbag but still a scumbag. Carrie threw away Aidan who loved and treated her with respect. Wisdom comes with age and, even though it took her a long time, it was nice to hear her admit she made a mistake. I wouldn't mind a happy ending with Carrie and Aidan splitting their time between NYC and Virginia.

Aidan tried to control her. He was terrible. Where Big was careless of her, Aidan wanted to Stepford her.

The fat aunt from Kimberly Akimbo has a cameo as Charlotte's new boss.

Did Carrie explain why she now considers Big a mistake? Didn't season 1 lead us to believe they had been blissfully happy

Brady and Lily are possibly fucking in the next episode. Oh God make it stop!

R569: I also thought the line was a little intentionally unambiguous. Was Big in general a mistake or was she referring to her affair with Big in season three? This episode was rather...frustrating. The Carrie and Aidan scenes are too cringe and overacted. So is Aidan basically now a casual fuck buddy everytime he comes to New York? Also the ending was a little anti-climatic with Carrie meeting his sons off-screen.

I think Sarita does a good job in the role but this push to make Seema the new Samantha is just never going to work. These writers have no idea what to do with LTW and Nya. The writing staff should've just cut those roles and made Seema and Che the diversity characters or better yet just Seema, and they still would've fulfilled the woke/equity checkboxes.

I hope Nicole Ari Parker is getting a big fat paycheck because she's a wonderful actress and totally wasted here.

I liked this episode a lot. Just worked for me, even with Charlotte's pretty trivial weight loss arc. Still spoke to something we all go through as we age. Aiden and Carrie were really good together. And Seema explaining why she wanted to pull away felt poignant - didn't want a constant reminder the things she didn't achieve in life. But she showed up in the end. Good balance between the primaries and the supporting players. I've said it before - I like Nya. But they don't know what to do with her and she'd often dead weight. Didn't miss her this episode. Two more things. First, the workplace tension between generations was humorous and real-to-life. I wanted Miranda to bitchslap those office cunts. Her boss was absolutely right about her being valuable due to her experience and she can't worry about the other interns. Second, I like Carrie matched with Che as friends more than Che and Miranda as lovers.

I’m liking Che without Miranda. The writers have gone out of their way to make them likable.

Miranda got over Che real quick.

"I'm a middle aged sexually confused alcoholic going through a divorce" (or something like that).

That made me laugh.

56 is not middle aged. How many 112 year olds do you know?

You know how "middle aged" is used, R578. Stop trying to start shit. But if you can convince everyone not to use it for 50-somethings, more power to you.

Most definitely that’s middle-aged.

R576: Che got over Miranda real fast.

Yeah the salon scene with Seema and Carrie was the highlight of the episode. I will say though that the political jokes always fall flat whether it's pronouns or being white.

R581. I don't think Che was ever that into Miranda.

Geez, each episode proves more and more what an awful, self-centered, and delusional narcissist Carrie is. The only character who isn't a worthless pile of human refuse is Seema and even she has her moments of being rubbish.

But, Carrie just proves each week what a shitty friend she is and how little she thinks about other people. It's fitting that she's the main character in a sitcom because Carrie suffers from main character syndrome more than most real life people.

R537 and R571 what’s “cringe” is that you don’t understand that “cringe” is a verb, not an adjective. That’s pretty fucking “cringe”.

R583

I always thought Che was more into how much Miranda was into her because Che is a narcissist

"[R537] and [R571] what’s “cringe” is that you don’t understand that “cringe” is a verb, not an adjective. That’s pretty fucking “cringe”.

It's used colloquially as an adjective. Not a big fan, but it is.

Colloquially, yes, R587, by people who would have no idea what “colloquially” means.

Just doing my bit to try to slow the continuous assault on the English language.

I don't know if they intentionally light her poorly or if she's finally hit the wall, but Sarita Choudhury has been looking so haggard and old the past couple episodes. Last season she was gorgeous, but it feels like she pissed off the DP because her lighting this year has been less than flattering.

R589. Sarita looked like shit in the restaurant scene. The hair and lighting was so unflattering.

Yes, her hair has also been looking terrible.

[quote]she pissed off the DP because her lighting this year has been less than flattering.

Well, she pissed off SOMEONE...

I thought she looked terrible in the office scene where her boss tries to pawn his client off onto her. (Terrible scene, and poor John Glover deserves so much better.)

"Anthony, take off my high heels before your father gets home."

That really made me laugh.

The 'mistake' wasn't Big. It was Carrie being unwilling to see herself with anyone else and always 'held something back'. Which made her wonder if she wasn't closed off to other men 'seriously ', being the mistake.

It's a Mexican hat dance around her characters 180 from her original arc through to the first season of the reboot, to where the show is now.

It's about as tacky as the way 'Samantha' was 'written out' of the show.

Miranda was really hypocritical asking Carrie if she was rushing things with Aidan. Miranda in a heartbeat threw away her family as if it was nothing to be with Che in LA.

I was worried that the Human Rights Watch storyline would be first day at Columbia all over again and Miranda would come across as a neurotic white savior lady. Then I remembered her drinking still wasn't under control in season one and later I was relieved the ageism in the workplace story turned out the way it did.

Such a sad and bad show. Get to the end already.

Created a part 4 for everyone to continue to hack at this show.

…and this thread is officially canceled, er, closed.