And Just Like That Season 2 OFFICIAL THREAD, Part 4

At the end of the episode I waited for the promo for next week but got the preview for this week instead. Oh well.

Thank you for not using an annoying photo, OP.

The whole bit about Charlotte overcoming her insecurities by realizing she isn't the fattest girl at school was a throwback to the old Sex and the City. I loved it.

Actually, I kind of loved this whole episode. I think this show is growing on me. Just in time for it to be cancelled.

The dress did look better without the pink belt. But how hard would it have been for Charlotte to pick another dress that was more flattering and less form-fitting?

r1

When I watched it the 1dt time, the same happened but they fixed it when I watched it the 2nd time

Here you go

Did I miss a moment where Carrie either asked if she could or told Seema she was bringing Aidan to the beach house?

I would have liked to have seen more of how Charlotte got her gallery job.

That promo does not show Carrie at Aidan's house with his children. The fact that they think we are more interested in Lily and Brady, or Seema, shows how misguided the producers are.

R5. Thank you!!!

So…instead of the original plan of Samantha sexting Brady….they decided to have Charlotte’s daughter do it.

How original!

I'm telling you, this relationship between Carrie and Agony has a kind of a manic quality to it.

It's gonna blow up and turn out it's still grief at play.

Either that or it's really really bad writing and with these hacks, it's quite a cliffhanger...

[quote]Did I miss a moment where Carrie either asked if she could or told Seema she was bringing Aidan to the beach house?

I just assumed in typical Carrie narc fashion, she just tossed away her commitments to her female friends in favor a whoever she's banging at that moment.

It’s bizarre how they lean into wealth on this version. Even the stuff that Aidan and Carrie bought for Che’s apartment was high-end Le Creuset and Nespresso and whatnot.

It's Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous.

I noticed that too, r13. I also figured it was product placement and they were paid for that advertising.

Does Carrie have any redeeming qualities?

This season is a huge improvement from season one but it still fails to capture the wit of the original series. The women were much more dynamic and interesting in its heyday.

Not mentioned yet.... "... and I've been having the best orgasms I've ever had." An odd thing but it kind of works to show the goofy infatuation of these late middle-aged ex-lovers. Aidan is taking care of "down there" and Carrie is falling fully into it. Orgasms. Plural. She's become multi-orasmic.

I don't get the rapid fall from "TV series pilot and wildly successful stand up comedian with tons of friends smoking weed all night" to needing to work the counter at a vet and working through lunch 'cause you need the overtime pay. It just seems to be an artificial plot element, not remotely related to what real life would be. That being said, Che has become one of the most interesting characters on the series...

And I liked Seema looking all insecure, selfish, hurt, and weathered. Made her more complex. I wonder if the show thought she looked "good" coming to the lunch at the end... she looked over-dressed, over-groomed, and desperate to make an impression.

Charlotte is a pudgy little womp womp... seeing her try to navigate the workplace of younger, willowy, Bard grads and seeing Miranda try to exist successfully in a workplace full of Gen Z schlubs ... all setting up more interesting plots in "next" season.

Last, there is no way the young beautiful Italian poet falls for the catty, greasy, queeny, rat-faced Anthony. I mean weird things happen, but we need to understand the Italian's mindset a bit. I'd actually like it if Anthony turned him down... too young and untested for the old boy. Surprise us.

If IMDB is correct, Aidan will be in the final three episodes.

Do we think the show will get canceled? I think a lot of people still watch it. But can SJP’s ego take the bad reviews?

Caribe never would have made that comment about Big being a mistake if he hadn’t died. Sure doesn’t seem like the money she got out of it was a mistake. Her face is so offensively ugly. She’s like an even uglier Marjorie Taylor Green. But she will get a perfect ending to her perfect life. I wouldn’t be surprised if the show has Aidan’s sons falling in love with her, competing for her attention and wanting to have sex with her. The season will end with her “fairy tale wedding”to Aidan and that’s why Samantha will show up for 30 seconds.

The reason why Carrie and Che make really good friends: they're both narcissistic "artists."

R19: His ex, Kathy, makes her first appearance in the next episode.

By the time the strike is over, interest in this crap-fest will have waned and there couldn't be new episodes until 2025 anyway, at which point, a show about about 3 hags on Social Security will be less interesting.

Mario and the poet is a gay fantasy. Just because MPK has a perky little hustler on set 24/7, doesn't mean that gorgeous man would ever fall for a bitchy queen like Anthony.

If you think about it, all of the relationships were incredibly far-fetched. Big would never be with an egghead like Carrie (yes, she’s a bit of an egghead). Miranda would be with a hotshot lawyer, not with Steve. No way would Charlotte ever be with someone like Harry. And even Smith Jerrod would be with someone younger (well, he might be the exception). Not that they would be the best choices, but in real life, these relationships would never be.

R20, she's claimed in interview(s) she does not ready any of it.

R24 evidenced by the show thus far, they could have a high-school creative writing class craft the next season.

I do want to see Miranda channel her inner Evelyn Couch and school those interns on being older, more experienced and costing the firm less money to train. Doubt it'll happen, but I can hope.

I think the Charlotte and Harry relationship is very believable and was plotted out really well in the beginning. The UES is filled with more attractive women married to older, plain, or sometimes even downright homely men.

R28. Amen

[quote] No way would Charlotte ever be with someone like Harry.

I don't think it's that far fetched that she would be with him. Yeah, he's unattractive, but but he's still a successful lawyer. She would settle down with an ugly guy, but she wouldn't settle down with a broke guy. The thing that was unbelievable with Charlotte was that she would have stayed single for so long. In real life, she would have married young and had kids early and wouldn't have been lifelong friends with the other three. Maybe she would have been friends with Carrie for awhile, but after having kids, they would have gradually lost touch.

Charlotte would have snagged a broker/doctor/attorney in or right out of college in real life and moved to Connecticut or some wealthy enclave near NYC but in the burbs.

Harry is still a practicing lawyer? He is always at home. Maybe things have changed, but the lawyers I used to know were at work like 14 hours a day.

Harry represents Charlotte's personal growth. In the original series, Charlotte was incredibly shallow and favored the handsome, rich doctor type. She had her checklist and liked to follow the rules. She soon discovered the good looking guys like Trey took away her ability to feel love. Yes Harry certainly was not Prince Charming but the sex was amazing and more importantly she felt for the first time a connection. Harry fulfilled his purpose: Charlotte grew and evolved.

R30 and R31 are probably right about her marrying young, except maybe the art gallery component would have kept her in NYC. In the early seasons, they really leaned into the art aspect.

The Victor Garber character offered Charlotte the gallery job. I think it was in episode four. However, the Hamptons thing with Seema came out of nowhere and I don't recall any sort of context being provided.

R21: The Samantha cameo is a phone call scene. She filmed it without interacting with the cast and MPK.

Charlotte has a lovely cunt!

[quote]Miranda would be with a hotshot lawyer, not with Steve.

Miranda is not hot enough to be with a hotshot lawyer.

When he was younger, Steve is cute with a great body. He still has a smokin' body, especially for 59 years old.

I know others have bemoaned the new characters as filler but I really think the writers would have done a better job without them. Now they make big narrative jumps for the 3 original characters that need explanation.

Eh. So Miranda would have been with a professor or an accountant.

NOT with man-child, idiot Steve.

^ + that could have been given more detailed explanation if we didn't have to waste time on the others.

R35

maybe I misunderstood your post but Carrie and seems rented the Hampton place a couple of episodes ago

[quote] I don't get the rapid fall from "TV series pilot and wildly successful stand up comedian with tons of friends smoking weed all night" to needing to work the counter at a vet and working through lunch 'cause you need the overtime pay. It just seems to be an artificial plot element, not remotely related to what real life would be. That being said, Che has become one of the most interesting characters on the series...

And that was the big, huge problem they made with Che initially. They decided to make her "outrageous" but also universally beloved in the stupid Hollywood way (cause that's what they all want to be). They should have realized from the start that she'd be a problematic character, and anything but beloved. Someone who struggles to make it as a nonbinary, because the truth is most people find that annoying. And the struggle would be infinitely more interesting than any kind of Everybody Loves Che bullshit.

Of course, the writers still kind of suck so they just sort of pretend the past is not real, but at least they have finally gotten the big problem through their thick skulls.

[quote]I know others have bemoaned the new characters as filler but I really think the writers would have done a better job without them. Now they make big narrative jumps for the 3 original characters that need explanation.

They needed new characters beyond replacing Samantha and the revolving door of boyfriends. There's just too many of them to tell a coherent story.

The problem with the show is that the core group itself of four used to be a character - the group, the group dynamic - it had life. Now, they all go off and do their own thing and get back together to humblebrag, whine, or seek validation.

Ultimately, the problem is that they fail the basic story test for writing: Whose story is it? What do they want? What's preventing them from getting it? How do they overcome it?

To think this is somebody who wanted to be Governor of New York.

"Miranda was really hypocritical asking Carrie if she was rushing things with Aidan. Miranda in a heartbeat threw away her family as if it was nothing to be with Che in LA."

If she was judging her, that would be hypocritical. Simply asking her, I don't think so. It's like if an alcoholic was asking a friend about the friend's drinking out of concern. That wouldn't be hypocritical.

I'm always happy to pile on Miranda but I didn't think the question was out of line. Seema said the same thing. And this thing is a bad idea, which I hope is the story they're telling but I think isn't.

Well R45, she lost. So she has to show her tits and get fingered on tv now. And eat out a they.

Isn't it likely that the Italian is playing Anthony?

Nope, R6. I'm watching that scene right now and it looks like sCarrie just decides to bring Aidan along to the summer house and that she didn't discuss it with Seema.

This latest episode wasn't as much of a shitfest as this season's been so far. The whole sCarrie/Aidan pairing is too artificial-meet cutesie right now. Less cliCHE is more and I hope it stays that way.

[quote] I would have liked to have seen more of how Charlotte got her gallery job.

Hand jobs.

No of course not r50. And good for Seema. Such a twat move. What, you didn't consult with me about canceling, even though I totally didn't consult with you about bringing my fuckbuddy along?

I just realized what's missing from this whole AJLT series: gratitude. There's been tons of loss, and the reactions to that are certainly understandable but there hasn't been much gratitude for what these people still have after everything that's happened. I thought that during the umbrella scene when sCarrie expressed her fears to Seema about what space does to relationships. It reminded me of the "you can disagree but you can't leave" scene from season 1. Those two scenes are the closest this show's come to the spirit of the original show.

Also, who else saw the pic of Samantha?

I did not see the pic of Samantha. When and where?

When Charlotte was sitting there looking at the pics in her wig box.

Kim is going to get a shitload more publicity when that cameo drops. Smart move. Can't wait for the memes.

I fast forwarded through most of this episode.

Same old same old. Just Carrie and Aiden looking like melted cheese this time round.

And as far as Big being a mistake well....that's just not true to the entire impetus of the series. Aiden was always *the* mistake, for reasons that have already been well illuminated.

Are we really going down this road again?

R58 the Big was a mistake scene undercuts the final two episodes of SATC. Were those dream sequences?

WHET Skipper? Bring him back as a love interest for Miranda. It’s what she deserves.

Yes and then she can give a reason why she would call herself sexually confused and not a lesbian.

I love how these characters pushing 60 are soooo horny and having the best orgasms of their lives. 50+ women always have told me that they have zero sex drive. Just another fantasy in a string of many on this show.

I think Aiden's kids will loathe Carrie. Like the rest of us.

R63

I bet we don’t see the boys unfortunately though

The picture of Samantha was the one they took on the bus coming home from Atlantic City

Some viewers are making a big deal about the way Aidan looked at Seema in the last scene and even suggest perhaps he will have an affair with her or is already! I don't see this happening but I WOULD love to see Carrie undercut by another woman. All that back lighting on Aidan in their hotel room was like he was the Second Coming.

[quote]Were those dream sequences?

They can breathe new life into a show.

R65 the show would never, ever do that to a goddess like Carrie. She is the most beautiful and desirable widow in NYC!

^I think you mean THE WORLD!!!^

What would be the point of his boys if not to have them interact with Carrie, for better or worse. And why three?

R69

We never heard anything about Carrie’s visit to Samantha after the last episode of season one wouldn’t surprise me if we don’t hear anything about the boys except we are meeting their mother next week so we probably will hear something but I doubt if we will see anything

R70 that’s true. I forgot about that. It’s really poor writing to have her meet with Samantha at the very end of season one then just not mention it again.

Ever since Darren Star left it's all gone downhill - season six, the two movies, and now AJLT.

Nah r72, Darren Starr left around season 2. MPK was in charge for the best seasons. Of course, he’s also in charge of the worst seasons.

I thought seasons 1 and 2 were the best seasons. Season 2 has most of my favorite episodes. Big should have disappeared after he got married.

I thought seasons 1 and 2 were the best. Big should have disappeared after he married Natasha. Season 2 is very long and has most of the best episodes.

Sorry for the double post.

R73

It was the best of Carrie, it was the worst of Carrie, it was the age of sex, it was the age of menopause, it was the epoch of feminism, it was the epoch of irrationalism, it was the season of laughter, it was the season of dreariness, it was the spring of whatever, it was the winter of cancellation.

Having Big exit the show after getting married would have made for a much different and better show.

Team Carmanda! It's been there all along!!!!

R74/r75, I actually loved the first two seasons. The episodes were much lighter emotionally. I was just commenting that most people/critics consider seasons 3 and 4 to be the best seasons.

Darren Star was still around for season 3 and writing episodes. I actually think the show didn’t really fall apart until the last season and then the two awful movies. That was when MPK and SJP really fucked everything up.

DS: "I didn't break those last episodes. He delegated to his team of scriptwriters to come up with the final plotlines. "If you're empowering other people to write and produce your show, at a certain point, you've got to let them follow their vision. But I think the show ultimately betrayed what it was about, which was that women don't ultimately find happiness from marriage.

Carrie and Charlotte found complete bliss from marriage. Miranda seemed happy until Che. Interesting how the show is doing Big dirty since those sexual harassment allegations came out. Just like how last season they trashed Samantha because she wouldn’t be a part of their shitty show.

Yep, R83. SJP and MPK are mean girls.

To be fair, Cynthia Nixon alternates between looking like a boiled potato and a slapped ass.

How did the actress who plays Rock get the part? yikes

R82, exactly! One of the best lines was Charlotte’s when she suggested they could all be each other’s soul mates. What a betrayal of that idea.

R86 they were looking for someone equally as bad an actor as Kristin Davis.

At least Kristin Davis used to be pretty

I don’t buy Giuseppe as gay. Maybe bisexual but not gay.

R90

Really? I’m not sure why him being gay was shocking to anyone.

[quote]But how hard would it have been for Charlotte to pick another dress that was more flattering and less form-fitting?

You seem to have missed the point. It has nothing to do with "wearing flattering clothing" and everything to do with accepting the fact that a 56-year-old woman's body does not, and *should* not, look the same as it did 30 years prior. Even women who aren't "fat" oftentimes develop a pooch of sorts after they hit 50, unless they literally starve themselves a la SJP.

[quote]Did I miss a moment where Carrie either asked if she could or told Seema she was bringing Aidan to the beach house?

No, but if he's spending half of his time with Carrie in NYC and she's spending most of the summer in the Hamptons, it's an obvious conclusion that she'd want to take Aidan with her at least some of the time. NYC summer houses have a few unwritten rules, and openly bringing dates is almost always allowed, especially if it's getting serious (and for all Seema knows, they could be engaged by summertime).

[quote]Big would never be with an egghead like Carrie (yes, she’s a bit of an egghead). Miranda would be with a hotshot lawyer, not with Steve. No way would Charlotte ever be with someone like Harry.

Seriously? The real Candace Bushnell – roughly as attractive as Carrie – dated the real Mr. Big and ended up marrying the equivalent of Carrie's final-SATC-season retired ballet dancer Mikhail Baryshnikov. Cynthia Nixon's longtime wife is, well, a classic bull dyke, and far *less* physically attractive (and far heavier) than Che (never mind Steve). Kristin Davis is either asexual or a still-closeted lesbian, one who gave up on even the pretense of dating over a decade ago. Adopting two kids as a single woman is a bit of a telltale sign, plus anyone who remembers the old NYSD days knows that NYC socialite women date PLENTY of older, fugly men.

[quote]I also figured it was product placement and they were paid for that advertising.

Not sure about that, but Apple's gotten more product placement this season than on any of Apple TV's *own* shows. Carrie needing to buy a new MacBook was even created as one of the show's plot points!

[quote]I don't get the rapid fall from "TV series pilot and wildly successful stand up comedian with tons of friends smoking weed all night" to needing to work the counter at a vet and working through lunch 'cause you need the overtime pay.

Fair - that's a definite stretch. OTOH part of that storyline is Che being basically irresponsible and acting like they're still 25 or something; they're partying all night at 46 (!) instead of, you know, paying the rent and buying more than a handful of soup spoons for their apartment. (Also, since it's NYC, Che would've paid first & last month's rent plus one month security deposit, which for her place was likely around $12K. Comedians, in general, also tend to lie low after they have a huge project crash and burn like Che's sitcom.)

[quote]Kim is going to get a shitload more publicity when that cameo drops.

Kim also plays the lead on the new Netflix drama "Glamorous," which may be the single queerest show on TV right now.

[quote]50+ women always have told me that they have zero sex drive.

Gee, if a handful of 50+ women have told you this, it MUST apply to every woman on Earth over 50!!!

[quote]Caribe never would have made that comment about Big being a mistake if he hadn’t died.

More like she never would've made it had Chris Noth not been cancelled for alleged sexual assault. (He was supposed to be in several S1 flashbacks, including one during Carrie's trip to Paris – Noth was *spotted* there filming scenes with her, and shortly after his scandals became public, SJP went back solo to reshoot the scenes – but they were cut.)

Why is ROCK a character? Is she from stage parents?

I just binged the whole season. They need to drop all the new characters except for Seema.

If the show was

SJP

Cynthia

Kristin

Mario Cantone

Seema

The show would be watchable

R95 hates Black people!!!!

I only object to the new characters shown away from the original 3. I can't recall if they did that with SATC. Bible students can correct me if I am wrong.

They brought in all these new characters to add some diversity. The problem is all the new characters are basically just supporting the white female protagonists. Going with Charlotte to the shops, helping Carrie sell her apartment, letting Miranda freeload in her Brooklyn apartment, etc.

Writers keep doing what you're doing. The Aidan reunion is a little bizarre but other than that the 2nd half of this 2nd season is a nice improvement over the 1st half. The 1st half was terrible - the LA stuff, Che's ex husband, the completely unrealistic Peter Hermann episode, the completely unrealistic scene where the Australian guys hit on Carrie and Seema, and of course all things Che.

R91: I don't know. I agree with the poster who said in the Part 3 thread that Giuseppe is up to something with Anthony and may not be 100% gay. I just hope we get a nice nude sex scene but Mario Cantone has never been big on nudity.

I am hot to trot on the more realistic Miranda storyline and finally extracting Charlotte from her spoiled UES dynamic. Carrie is a loathsome narcissist tho.

R100 Mario Cantone has never been big on nudity

THANK GOD!

Adding these new characters has done nothing to help diversity. Che backfired in season one and is slowly redeeming themself in season 2. Referring to Lisa as 'black Charlotte' was weird since they never referred to Charlotte as 'white Lisa.'. Nya is boring. They got it right with Seema who comes across as a real person who is flawed but likable. End the series for good with Carrie back with Aiden and Samantha's cameo. No need to keep dragging this out until they get it right.

[quote] No, but if he's spending half of his time with Carrie in NYC and she's spending most of the summer in the Hamptons, it's an obvious conclusion that she'd want to take Aidan with her at least some of the time. NYC summer houses have a few unwritten rules, and openly bringing dates is almost always allowed, especially if it's getting serious (and for all Seema knows, they could be engaged by summertime).

Sounds annoying, unless it's actually a group of people, some single, some not. If it's just two friends going, and then it's suddenly one friend and "the couple" it's annoying. Agree with Seema, just skip the whole stupid thing if it's going to be that.

There's hardly any scenes with just Carrie, Miranda, and Charlotte because of all the new characters and multiple storylines. Those coffee shop scenes are what made the original series. When Samantha comes back for the cameo, that phone call scene better have all four legacy cast ladies on the line.

Yeah Greta and the film are going to have a harder time dealing with the geezers in the AMPAS. The Academy is still predominately white, male, and of a certain age.

^^^Sorry I meant to post that in the Barbie thread.

Wasn't Charlotte a jogger in SATC? She blamed her weight gain on menopause but did she stop jogging in favor of being a helicopter mom?

Presuming the show gets a third season. does anyone else think Nya will be gone?? She sure isn't used very much.

No, MPK and Nixon don't like to admit their mistakes.

There's a reason Mario has never been seen without a shirt in public.

MOOBS!! TUMMY TUCK!!

He's 63 for lord's sake. Give the guy a break.

The four legacy characters are not on the line together it’s just a call between Samantha and Carrie and the only way Kim agreed to do it was to make sure she didn’t actually speak to SJP or MPK.

I agree though the show SHOULD have done a face time with all 4 characters and filmed Kim’s afterword and added it to the mix.

You can’t achieve an organic give and take with one person filmed separately. A one-way call is the best you can pull off.

Why Carrie and Aidan's Reunion on And Just Like That Makes No Sense

The best part of this season is *the bed hopping chicken*.

I think last week we saw the first ever photo of Samantha in AJLT. They're getting us ready for the cameo. I wonder why they decided to drop the texts this season. That way of keeping Samantha alive really worked in the first season.

I think the answer is R117 that MPK was convinced that the audience had fallen in love with the brilliant new character of Che Diaz, that the audience no longer needed Samantha.

Are we going to see a major surge in bakeries specializing in garlic chocolate chip cookies like we did with cupcakes as a result of this show?

What I can't quite believe is that these stylish, affluent, professionally successful women - all in their 50s - would be so emotionally unsophisticated. They all seem to possess the emotional self-awareness and insight of not very bright teenagers. Why does her relationship with Big now have to be thought of as a melodramatic 'mistake'? Is it not conceivable that the right life decisions were made decades ago, and that now Carrie's a widow she gets an opportunity to revisit something that wasn't possible when she was younger? Surely, one of the few benefits of age is wisdom, but it all seems so stupidly, clumsily signposted in every episode.

Maybe the final episode will reveal that the whole series has been an adaptation of Freaky fucking Friday, and that's why they're all acting like a bunch of emotionally disregulated 14 year-olds.

I’m not sure why I continue to watch. The whole thing is so contrived and ludicrous.

R121 Hi Kim! Welcome to DL!

We are all anxiously awaiting your cameo!

R109 - the actress explained her lack of screen time is due to a scheduling conflict as she is also appearing in The Morning Show.

R116 that was my nickname as a young slutty gayling!

R123: She's lying about her age. There's no way she's 37.

Karen has no DOB on her Wiki.

I don't know if she said was 37 or some website had her age as 37 but she looks at best in her late 40s.

The Mail Online story today about her says she is 37.

Whoever wrote that article also probably believes what it says on those celebrity net worth websites.

The latest episode was all over the place.

The director keeps having Seema showing him properties just to spend time with her. We've never seen that before.

Carrie is told a kitten fell asleep in one of her shoes and she doesn't ask about the shoes?!

What's with the film director's neck kerchiefs?

R134 he's an ahh-tist

^^^^oops meant r133

That orange puffy-sleeve Charlotte dress is hideous.

I actually watched the two SATC movies last night back to back and I still can’t get over how much these characters changed since then…and the absence of Samantha really was fatal.

I had forgotten how fun Kim was in those movies

Did Aiden really say CHE-LO?

Can we assume Carrie will sublet her apt to the jewelry designer neighbor? Not a bad episode but it did feel like they crammed alot in. It was nice to see Rosemarie DeWitt as Kathy. I'd forgotten about her.

“Alot” is not a word, R139.

So what is the deal with Mario’s BF?

Surely there is no happy ending there.

R141: Well there was in this episode.

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I actually enjoyed this week's episode. Far from perfect, for sure, but it was the first time in two seasons I wasn't looking forward to it being over with. Even Che didn't get on my nerves this week, and I could actually see myself accepting her character as ongoing (as long as she doesn't get back together with Miranda).

All three of the principal characters felt more like who they might have actually matured into than ever before, and I think that had a lot to do with it. The secondary characters actually felt part of the world for the first time. With one GLARING exception.

It's time to cut bait with Nya. She doesn't work. Nothing is going to make us care about her, the actress is not engaging, and she's never been anything but wasted time. When I actually would rather watch Che than someone else on the show, you know their character has to go. Get Miranda out of there and simply phase the character out (or just retcon her if there's going to be a Season 3). No one will miss her, and no one will scream about diversity. You've checked enough boxes.

Also, the stuff with Anthony and the cute boy is cringeworthy. I'm seeing wonderful, openly gay mature actors come on week after week (John Glover, Victor Garber, etc.) and given nothing to do. Pair one of them up with Anthony. The man is 63. And he's never been hot. The audience who watches this show doesn't really care if he's put with a sexy, young guy. Let's see a mature gay couple navigate the dating waters for once. Anthony and Giuseppe have zero chemistry and it just feels creepy.

Fix those two things and I think they would be well on their way to earning a third season.

Just watched Episode 9. End this now. Please. Or hire adult writers who understand older women. Or get rid of MPK.

It's devolved into shit.

Isn't Lisa too old to be having a baby?

Is Giuseppe looking for a green card?

I'm sorry but Miranda's son is really not that attractive.

He's painful to look at

Doesn't the new apartment's foyer look very similar to the one Carrie and Big bought in the first movie?

I thought the actress playing Cathy looked familiar but I had no idea that was Rosemary DeWitt.

R146 - no he told Tony he had dual citizenship.

R150 - she was dressed like a geisha.

Carrie looked very bad in this episode. I know the horse jokes are a beloved tradition here, but she really, really needs to do something with herself that doesn't emphasize her small eyes, big nose, and long chin. She's overall a nice enough looking woman, but the extravagant styling with the weird, severe hairdos, and the makeup with close-set black holes for eyes is just aging her terribly. She needs to soften it up considerably.

The fluffy kittens made it the best episode of the season. The new, huge apartment needs fluffy kitties, soon to be big, decorative tabbies.

R153: I could barely look at her she looked so terrible in the scene where she talks to Victor Garber.

She really did look terrible, but that's okay because so did John Corbett.

SJP's hair is her biggest problem. It needs to be cut. It looks severely dry and damaged and what's with the so dark roots? Quit scraping it off her face and straightening it. She needs to embrace the curls like Andie McDowell does and, yes, get rid of the dark eyeliner.

I think SJP’s hair looked its best in season 5 when it was shorter and natural wave.

The long, stringy hair of the 70s looks awful

John Corbett looked ok in the black trunks last week but the tiny white briefs covering his saggy ass this week was a no no. He probably would have looked hotter in a plain pair of boxers.

They’re bringing back his tighty whiteys as a reference to the Y fronts he and Carrie used to wear.

Che said now working as a vet's receptionist means they can now afford to live in their apartment. Is this realistic?

R160. Absolutely not.

R160 yeah unless the vet pays $100 an hour for reception

Nope, r160, that’s why they’re renting their apartment out.

Che's apartment management wanted to kick Carrie and Aidan out after 30 days. But Google says some airbnb tenants can stay longer and be long-term residents. I guess this was done to get Carrie out to find her new mansion. Plus Che is moving back.

I almost hate to admit it but if their goal was to make Che more likable this season it worked. Stray puppies, kittens, losing out on sitcom stardom and ending up working in a vets office all made them a real them. I actually enjoy the Che scenes especially since they don't involve Miranda.

The whole airB&B makes no sense. They aren't airb&B clients, they are friends with the owner. They could get a sublease for a year if they wanted.

Oh, and I really like Che finally. Ramirez is a very charming actor/actress. It wasn't her fault how badly the part was written.

Do you like their potential new girlfriend?

R167. I thought they were a potential hookup

Can we talk about this hot stud who gave Nya multiple orgasms? Damn!

Che is such a great artist that they will only be motivated to do a new act or perform again if motivated by a bald chick with kittens.

R164 not in NYC

Why do I have an unsettling feeling the Aidan reunion will end in tears. She's a loathsome narcissist incapable of positive growth and change. The writers really painted themselves into a corner. If for some reason she decides at the last minute she doesn't want a life with Aidan, they'll never be able to bring Aidan back ever again.

Some weeks have been awful and a lot of weeks have been average but this was a good week. I like Che in doses and this episode delivered exactly that. Che has more chemistry in their platonic friendship with Carrie than they do in their romantic relationship with Miranda. Nicole Ari Parker is 52 so yeah this pregnancy thing is a little far fetched, thank God Brady and Lily didn't fuck, and yeah it's time for Nya to go which is a shame because she was so well written in the first season. The Giuseppee thing is a little creepy but as long as he's looking for a quick fuck it's fine. Just don't turn it into a running joke or continuing storyline in the next season.

I think Aiden will stick around. Having them breakup a third time would be ridiculous even for MPK. Does anyone else feel like they're wrapping things up? Carrie back with Aiden, Charlotte with a happy marriage and a career and Miranda back being Miranda plus a Samantha cameo? Hasn't the audience had sufficient?

Rosemarie DeWitt is married to Ron Livingston (Mr Post-it).

I think Aiden and Carrie get married or engaged. That’s why Samantha calls

I felt bad for John Corbett. He should have insisted on wearing boxers or boxer briefs as opposed to the tightie whitees

The frau factor is driving the Aiden happily ever after, that's the basic demographic they're aiming at, no one under 40 I know is even aware of this iteration, and the friends I'd initially complained to about the lunacy in the first season of hate watching , women 40+ with kids are LOVING this new happily ever after more than the one with Big. He's 'so much nicer', or 'he's more attractive than Big' (understandable when you see the trolls they're married to). The writers would've been very stupid in souring this second shot at love bs.

I'm liking Aidens son! And he doesn't remind me of a ginger Dustin 'Screech' Diamond which is another plus for him. Miranda and Steves son looks nothing like either, why they cast him I'll never know.

I think Brady is cute and would look better with shorter hair.

I can see both Steve and Miranda in his face so I think good casting.

Sarah Jessica Parker's best feature is her hair, so she should get whoever is styling Carol Kane's hair on "Strange New Worlds" to do hers. Kane has spectacular hair on that show, and she's fifteen years older than Parker.

[quote] thank God Brady and Lily didn't fuck

Do we know this? I thought the mothers decided to stop worrying about it.

[quote]Does anyone else feel like they're wrapping things up? Carrie back with Aiden, Charlotte with a happy marriage and a career and Miranda back being Miranda plus a Samantha cameo?

I couldn't help but wonder:

[quote]Hasn't the audience had sufficient?

Fixed that for you, R174.

I keep hearing rumors that the weird plot twist is Harry and Charlotte divorcing when she cheats with Kasabian.

I think things are looking good for a season three. The second season got good or neutral reviews and longtime fans and devoted haters will always watch. They paid Kim a shit ton of money to do the cameo just in case it doesn't get renewed. On the other hand, this very well could be the end for all the reasons R174 mentioned as well as the SAG-AFTRA strike. Plus one of the dangers of a third season is that these writers fall too in love with their ideas and could easily ruin storylines so satisfactorily wrapped up in the season two finale.

Harry is certainly acting weird. His line about the boss, "What, Kasabian thinks he can ask someone else's wife to stay and do his bidding until all hours?"

"someone else's wife"?? It makes it sound like, "MY wife is here to do MY bidding, not his." And what happened to everyone pulling together so that Charlotte could have the job in the first place?

It is odd that they seem to be teeing up Charlotte cheating with Victor Garber of all people.

These writers are the worst!

If MPK and SJP are interested in redeeming the two movies and leaving any sort of cultural legacy, then they should put it to bed after this second season. The fans will be happy and grateful after they get the Samantha cameo.

SJP will be in London with hubby doing Plaza Suite until the end of March 2024. If they start shooting in April, Season 3 probably wouldn't premiere until Jan/Feb 2025. Nah. It's over.

I still think Aiden's kids will be a deal breaker finally. Why else bring the 14-year-old in at all?

Imagine if Aiden gets back with Kathy who seemed like she may still have feelings for him. Tate, Homer and Wyatt would be thrilled. Then Miranda can move into that huge apartment with Carrie and they can be cat ladies.

R190 Carrie will be fucking the 14-year-old and Aiden walks in on them.

R192: That's my department.

Seema

The WaPo had a piece today on how disappointing the show has been. Too much bad press for the show.

Aidan's son looked at her and thought....major cunt.

"I can see that old lady's bra through her shirt! Gross!"

Charlotte's floral Oscar de la Renta dress which I find hideous.

After watching close to two whole seasons of this ridiculousness, it's official - never again do I want to see old people take off their clothes and be sexual with each other in any way. It's gross and it makes me uncomfortable.

Ugh she's with the schmuck again. What's to see?

R178 we know you're a frau, stop trying to hide it.

The Seema fucking during the apartment showing felt forced. Look! The new Samantha!

Aidan’s “abs” looked like shit. It’s almost like the make up artist had the withdraw shakes while trying to paint them on. He looked like a cartoon character.

[quote] SJP will be in London with hubby doing Plaza Suite until the end of March 2024.

Sure to be a major hit! Nothing British audiences like better than Borscht Belt-style humor!

The New York Times did not like it.

Wyatt is most definitely a future Datalounger.

Kim Cattrall can’t seem to stop feuding with people.

Now she has upset the AJLT costume people who said she was “hurtful, insulting and not nice” for requesting Pat Field dress her for her scene.

Kristin Davis might actually be funny if her face wasn't so damn distracting.

R207 - considering some of the godawful costumes the new costumers have provided for AJLT I'm not surprised.

Kristin Davis got unbelievably lucky with the original series. She is a shit actress.

Lol what do those awful costumers expect? Kim doesn't know them, the scene was shot in private with no warning to the main team, Pat is Kim's friend and the fashions on AJLT are hideous

Brady’s cherry red lips and Ronald McDonal orange hair tell us he has an angry looking cherry red nob with fire crotch pubes. Gross.

Sounds like Kim will be sitting in a car for a short cameo. Who the fuck cares or will even see what she's wearing. People need to calm down and stop looking for reasons to be offended.

The costume designers going public about being offended reeks of SJP and MPK

I agree! Everyone is so thin skinned these days.

Sometimes keeping your mouth shut is the best way!

Let’s be honest, though. It obviously was a pointed fuck you on Cattrall’s part. Probably a justified one, since I fully believe her descriptions of SJP as being a mean girl masquerading as a nice girl. But it’s not like it was an innocent choice. She chose a different costume designer to make a statement. And it worked.

Patricia Field turned down AJLT but came back to dress Kim. I'd say she's the one making a statement.

Speaking of the outfits -

Patricia Field had her share of shockers on SATC.

Firecrotch usually = BDE. It’s a saving grace.

The clothes in AJLT are outrageous—and not in a good way. I feel like the largest issue in this show is people cannot relate to the characters. In the original, the clothes fit their lifestyle and their jobs. No one was really super rich. Miranda and Samantha wore suits, Charlotte was a bit preppy, and no one wore designer shit. Carrie sometimes did, but they were singular pieces, a purse, shoes. The dress that Charlotte wore when they were touring the apartment was ridiculous. Who the hell dresses like that? People want relatable characters, these characters are not relatable at all because they don’t exist in the real world. Che, in fact, seems like the only real character this season.

Further to R219

Boot MPK and these artless writers. Or put this dead canary in the ground.

That Charlotte dress was awful. Charlotte dresses like an 8 year old in an adult body. Lots of puffy skirts and bows and childish looking dresses. Also, her belts and waistlines are too high.

Her speech impediment was on display a few times too.

Go back to season 1 where Carrie wore a ratty fur coat and usually a simple black clingy dress. Samantha actually wore GASP jeans! Their wardrobes became more outrageous towards the end of season 2.

Cynthia has always been the hardest to dress. On top of a shitty attitude, she has such a bizarre body type

I know it's not, but the house Carrie is about to buy looks EXACTLY like the pictures of her actual home.

I wonder whether she got them to pay her to use her own house in the show.

R227 $$$$

New Yorkers insist on calling it an apartment and not a house.

Unless she took the entire townhouse, it IS *an* apartment.

R230 didn't she though? 4 bedrooms and 3 baths and that huge first floor seem like they would.

Episode 9 was okay, but not as good as 8. Seemed like it was just laying the pieces for the season finale. Lily and Brady - I just don't care. Nya emotional about ex having a baby - same. I laughed when the telegraphed Carrie selling or renting her apt to her downstairs neighbor who has to leave because "the gay guys" she's renting from need their place back. It's still sorta nuts that Aiden is back and apparently it's going to work out this time.

If that’s not clear, that’s on the writers…like every other misfire on this show.

Any NYer would be able to ask/answer that point clearly.

The two columns in the room - ugh. They were nice columns, but still.

Yeah this whole Aidan is the prodigal son thing would never happen in real life. They break up twice, he goes on to have a family of his own, and then 13 years later they fuck and fall in love again? I agree it does look like they’re going to get engaged or married in the season finale and that’s why Samantha calls.

Agree r235. Both of these ex boyfriends she ends up marrying? Really? I was done after 2 months.

I seriously doubt Kim would agree to that.

R221 are you serious? Pat Field was the costume designer of Sex and The City. She was known for pushing the envelope. Everyone wore designer shit.

R238, no. You can’t wear designer clothes and push the envelope. Case in point: Charlotte in the last episode.

So—just watched the latest: Carrie says the new space is two floors…that means *an* apt. not a full townhouse…but note that two floors would hardly ever = 4 bedrooms. Bad writing again…

Anthony is living in London Terrace Gardens, mid block on 23rd between 8th and 9th…that’s clear.

Based on the wrought-iron railing in the place Carrie was viewing, I might bet a few bucks that it was shot in one of the buildings directly across from LTG on the south side of 23rd (the old Millionaires’ Row). Either way they keep shooting in Chelsea on the same few blocks over & over…can’t wait for it to end.

* sorry, correction: mid block between 9th and 10th 🫨

R239 SEX AND THE CITY you moron

Loved Carrie’s green dress when she met with Aiden’s ex

Is Rosemarie DeWitt related to Joyce DeWtt?

No, Rose. She’s related to Addison DeWitt.

She's too short for that gesture!!

Is Rosemarie related to Rose Marie?

Maybe Aidan will drop dead in the finale and Samantha calls as it's cheaper than flowers?

There is an awful lot of t-crossing and i-dotting going on right now. Stories are being concluded and bows long undone are finally being tied. The only remaining unfinished business is the Samantha character, and it sounds like that is going to be resolved next week.

I think this is the end for Sex and the City.

[Quote]I think this is the end for Sex and the City.

They can finally put that old nag, Carrie, out to pasture.

I would love Cattrall to bag a Guest Emmy nomination. Claire Foy actually won in the Drama Guest category for under 2 minutes screen time.

Hahaha R251 - SJP's pinhead would explode!

Haha just to show how important Cattrall was to the show

Carrie never seemed really in love with Aiden. She cheated on him, didn't want to marry him. I'm not watching anymore, but I seriously doubt they have enough scorching chemistry to overcome this basic incompatability.

r254

Carrie never was over Big so she couldn't ever truly give herself to Aiden while Big was in the picture. I will bet there will be a proposal next ep and I wonder if it will be a cliffhanger?

Was anyone else annoyed at how mean Carrie was to the older women at the Gloria Steinem event? I was like bitch that's you in 15 years. 5 since you've starved yourself for the last 40

[Quote]I will bet there will be a proposal next ep

He better not buy me another ugly diamond. I'm gonna wear his ring on a necklace again, so it's closer to my heart!

The only left unfinished business is how to reunite Che and Miranda, since theres is a love so strong and pure, it needs a multi-scene conclusion. The audience DEMANDS this!

“Please don’t write about my kids in your column”

“No, I would never.”

A week later…

“Are step children a blessing or a curse?”

R257 omg I forgot that selfish cunt had the audacity to ask her posse to convince Aiden to get her a different engagement ring because she thought the one she secretly discovered he bought her was ugly. CUNT!

And did she really end up keeping it after she broke his heart and ended the engagement?

THE CUNTIEST CUNT WHO EVER CUNTED!

Aiden should dump her fugly ass via post-it

R259 - she doesn't appear to be writing anymore anyway.

"Carrie never seemed really in love with Aiden. She cheated on him, didn't want to marry him. I'm not watching anymore, but I seriously doubt they have enough scorching chemistry to overcome this basic incompatability."

I actually think they have fine chemistry in this third go-round. Separately, Carrie buying the bigger place, selling her own place, talking to the wife and listening to her concerns about the boys - all shows that she's serious and considering other people. BUT, while I think the visible chemistry is fine, it just came out of absolutely nowhere so I still find it just weird. There's not a lot of backstory about why they came back together and why Aiden would put himself out there with Carrie again. There's "sitcom plausible" reasons they could have developed, but they seemed to just rely on "this is a guy from her past who she once loved dated - twice."

R260. She gave the ring back and guilted Charlotte into handing over her ring so she could put a down payment on her cunty apartment.

We need face girl back

R260 if I remember correctly Miranda helped him choose the ugly ring. Samantha intervened (without Carrie's knowledge) to help him pick out something Carrie would like so she was shocked when he presented her with the second (lovely) ring.

From memory she also insisted he take the ring back. That was when he gave her the envelope with the ultimatum to buy the apartment or vacate.

But you're right, she's still an awful person.

Watching the latest episode. Jesus fucking CHRIST, Charlotte.

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I just watched that episode last night. Yeah, Miranda helped pick it out. I think I have to stop watching. I can't take anymore of Carrie. She is immature, impatient, selfish, and judgmental, and they all deserve a better friend than that. She deserves Big, who's a terrible person. Neither of them has any character.

Che has become quite likable this season. It’s been a real turnaround.

Big wasn't that bad as a character in that he owned being a selfish guy, backed into a corner by an obsessive shrew

It really should end forever this season. In this last episode I realized how truly awful every single person is and that only Samantha saved the show from being the piece of crap it is now. And I never like Aiden anyhow so Carrie and he should just go away into the sunset - Big was too good for her.

Che is more likeable now the focus is off her and Miranda having sex every episode.

Big, the guy who jerked her around and wouldn't leave her alone in her relationship with Aidan even the second time around? She's a jerk for allowing it, too, granted. I could never stand his blubbery lips, to boot.

Guys you didn't hear this here but I have it on good authority that the season finale will be poor Aidan's demise. He dies of a coronary in a weeping Carrie's arms after she finally feels comfortable enough to remove her bra during coitus.

And at the funeral, while Carrie is breaking down in some designer get-up, choking back tears and saying "why is this happening to me again," as Charlotte, Seema, and Miranda try to console her, out of the corner of her eye she sees a man staring at her, arms folded, curious. She clears her eyes and looks over and sees that it's Alexander Petrovsky. "Alex-SAND-er"?? Afterwards they talk and agree to go for a drink, which leads to more, and eventually to a reestablished relationship. Little does Petrovsky know that he's signed his death certificate.

Ps Explain Why We Didn’t See Carrie and Aidan in Virginia

"Virginia is for lovers."

Aidan's arrival feels very rushed and unrealistic. He's traveling back and forth to be with a woman who broke his heart twice but he draws the line at her old apartment?

HBO cut the budget! That’s why.

If they were able to present a snowy street earlier in the season surely they could have faked Virginia.

I'm surprised that one of Aiden's sons, Brady, and Lily didn't have a three-way to show how sex positive the show is and to provide something else for Charlotte to fret about. "My daughter can't be spit-roasted. I'm from Connecticut."

I just realized something. Charlotte's daughter Lily said she hadn't seen Brady since she was 12. Aren't these women best friends? I'd think their kids would see each other more than that.

R282. I think she said they hadn't hung out since they were 12. I see my cousins at family functions but I don't hang out with them.

Guys who look like Brady do not get laid unless they are wealthy or pay for it

Episode 10 promo. Sam Smith appears.

I wonder if anyone involved in this show understands the reality of regular people these days.

do they think that suddenly adding rich people of colour and rich non binary people instantly makes the whole thing relatable? it still reads as a bunch of absurdly rich Karens running around ruining all the places that used to be cool in nyc, no?

R284: Oh yeah?

I’m glad the AJLT costumers feel publicly insulted by Kim Cattrall’s request to work with Pat Field. Maybe it will be the fire they need to do some good work.

Do we know if there are ten or eleven episodes this season? Eo. 10 is titled, "The Last Supper--Part One". Wondering if this is the second to last episode or the finale.

Eleven.

Thank you, r290!

R289: That’s the episode title for this week? Yeah this is the end forever of the SATC universe.

So Kim Cattrall cameo’s in an episode titled, “The Last supper Part Deux”

Jesus Christ

R292 good riddance. It will end with Carrie’s wedding to Aiden. The show became a frau fantasy of happily ever after.

Will they use the Last Supper as a metaphor and have 11 of Carrie's disciples in a tableau?

I think that was R293's point, with Kim/Samantha being Judas

So what is the moral of this entire series? Treat a guy like shit multiple times because he’s only an email away and will come running because he never stopped loving you?

Carrie never loved Aidan. She was supposed to love Aidan - warm, masculine and classic American - but he picked and poked and annoyed the shit out of her, so she self-sabotaged and cheated, and he repeatedly punished her.

Theirs will be a marriage made in hell.

Will they honeymoon in Suffern so she can make more stupid puns about how she’s Sufferin’?

Carrie is annoying, but so is Aiden. He’s a smug, stodgy, self-righteous redneck.

I bet he’s a Republican.

LOL you must be the frauiest frau who ever fraued if you blame Aiden for Carrie being a morally bankrupt slut who wasn't content to just trash her own relationship but eagerly and willingly contributed to the destruction of a marriage.

No one blames Aiden, but he did suck.

Aiden is awful and a conservative hick…but since AJLT is frau central…Aiden is being retconned as a great guy to spend your life with.

How do you know he’s conservative, r303? We know he’s a hick.

Miranda screeching that she doesn’t want Brady’s only skill in life to be how to flip burgers on a grill is so absolutely insulting. Once upon a time, most of us started in jobs like that, learned how to work and went on to great things. Sometimes while even still in the flipping burgers industry (ahem like myself). What a cunt.

Berger, as much as I hated him, would have been a more interesting relationship to reestablish. He broke up with her because of insecurity and fear. Maybe he went on to resurrect his writing career or moved on to something else and being older and more mature, doesn't have that insecurity anymore. Or bring Justin Theroux's Vaughn back and he's a skinny-suit eccentric who now doesn't preejaculate and Carrie enjoys on his own merits since he's so much NOT like big. They don't get married but have an old NYCer "companion" relationship.

I don't think Carrie is relationship material for any man. I never could get over how she was out every night partying at the newest hot spot and leaving bfs behind. Most of her bfs were homebodies and not interested in the constant clubbing. That type of person is not compatible with a homebody. She should married Stanford because he liked that too.

"Miranda screeching that she doesn’t want Brady’s only skill in life to be how to flip burgers on a grill is so absolutely insulting. Once upon a time, most of us started in jobs like that, learned how to work and went on to great things. Sometimes while even still in the flipping burgers industry (ahem like myself). What a cunt."

I didn't take it like that. It was simply more fretting by an upper middle class mom that her kid is stalled and not going to college. I hardly think it was a deep comment about the skill of someone who works in fast food.

[quote]Just Carrie and Aiden looking like melted cheese this time round.

In a very fucking cringey series, the Carrie and Aiden scenes push that aspect to the very limit. It's like walking in on your grandparents fucking - and I say that as someone old enough to be a grandparent. Forced and flesh-creepingly awful. In my hate watching, I have to fast forward.

Not that every episode doesn't have 100 wholly implausible details, but:

What person contemplating making an offer to buy an apartment is given a set of keys and run of the place for days to finalize the decision?

Charlotte, an art historian, might have married the world's dumpiest little ugly man, bit would never have cheesy Lord and Lady of the manor style portraits of her dogs in her entry hall. Maybe stuck away in some obscure corner for a sentimental laugh, or something a little edgy by a real artist, but this shit? Proudly displayed? Never. For someone snobby enough to work for Gagosian? Never ever. For art historians, taste trumps crazy Dog Mom art every time, without fail. And why is her huge apartment so bereft of art?

Watched 6 episodes of SATC on Max last night. What the fuck happened to that level of writing, that level of humor, that level of fun? All AJLF proves is as women age, the lose their looks, their funny bones, and their sense of adventure. Great message to be sending out. FU, MPK.

And just like that, it was all consumed by a grease fire.

How much money do Charlotte and Harry realistically have, anyway?

I mean, I think she got a million in her divorce settlement plus the apartment, and Harry was well-to-do, but can they have maintained that lifestyle for decades based on his earnings?

If Charlotte has gone all this time without having to work then they're doing more than ok. Just owning a 2 bedroom apt helps their financial situation enormously. And don't forget Rock's modeling contract!

Fun fact: the actor who plays Rock also plays Chuck’s daughter in “Billions.”

This whole series never would have worked of Carrie was played by a beautiful woman. There’s nothing fraus love more than seeing the ugly chick get all the swooning guys

Rock as

In real life, Aiden would be remarried to a 27-year-old elementary school teacher. She’d be dumb and have terrible mermaid hair, but she’d also be stupid enough to raise his kids for him.

If I recall correctly, Miranda said Brady was flipping burgers etc at Scout, his dad Steve's bar. What's so bad about working in your family business and eventually taking it over one day???

Isn't it weird that 2 minors like Brady and Lily are hanging out at a bar?

The only good thing the writers did this season was they made it so the character Che Diaz was no longer so smug and detestable. I do give them props for that--Sara Ramirez, who is genuinely talented, is at least no longer a national punchline.

But the show is just so played out. Its time is over. These characters seem like they exist in an alternate fantasy world more than they even did in the 90s and 00s. The weird draping clothes in loud patterns just make them look strange rather than glamorous.

the next episode promo shows Che is back doing standup. I hope they have a few shots at Miranda.

I could see them doing a spin-off with Miranda and Charlotte's kids and Carrie's stepchildren (God help us) but I think the SATC universe will reach the end of the road in two weeks.

[quote] the next episode promo shows Che is back doing standup.

Poor Sara Ramirez!

I hope she isn't yet again written in her "comedy" act to talk about what a slut she is onstage while her club audience yet again goes mad with enthusiasm.

Che! Please tell us that joke again about having to drive to the bathroom when in LA, because, you know, everyone drives everywhere!

You're such a fucking scream!!!!!!

It does feel like the show is ending and they’re wrapping things up in a bow, especially for Carrie. A not-very-realistic bow, but a bow nonetheless.

Maybe Carrie gets cancer and Sam calls to sympathize. "You're cancerous, but FAB-ulous."

If I were Kim, I’d insist on a script like this:

“Listen, Carrie, a much as I’d like to listen to your dreary, narcissistic first-world problems, the reality is you’re not a tenth as pretty as you imagine yourself and your self-involvement is far too much for someone so boring… but if you’re willing to eat shit, I’ll continue to tell people I’m still your friend… just promise me you’ll cut the my like two feet and stop dressing like a third-rate rodeo clown. Now, I have more important things to tend to.”

"Like what, Samantha?"

I think it will get renewed for season 3. If it were ending Max would be promo-ing the hell out of it.

“God, anything, really! I have a rich life! I’m a woman of 60-something, and I own every year of it because I’ve actually grown.”

R13 are you 12??? It’s not weird because now they’re older and wealthier. You really can’t understand that and needed it explained?

I hope you're not referring to Glamorous, Kim. That one makes AJLT seem like Succession.

R31 Charlotte is originally from Connecticut. She isn’t a native NYer. The character moved to NYC from CT.

R72 Darren Star left early in the OG series. Moron.

Darren Star was there for the first 3 seasons. 4-6 was where he was missing. Season 3 is the season that won the Best Comedy Series Emmy.

Che in the last few episodes is interesting, a character who doesn’t self-announce everything.

Still, too big of a cast.

Kim returning for a cameo is a huge clue that this is it. She probably agreed to return to give the fans one last glimpse of Samantha. Is she doing it for the money? I'm sure they're paying her well but if she was really interested in money she would have agreed to do a third movie. Would Max be promoting it heavily if it was the end? Not really. They're getting enough publicity with the return of Samantha Jones.

R164 Airbnb has no say over an apartment in a building like the one they were staying in. Are you slow!!??? Serious question. You clearly never lived in the real world or on your own, living off mommy still in adulthood, but welcome to REAL LIFE. The management has a 30 day guest limit. My building also has a limit and I have to clear someone staying with me for a while beforehand with management.

R338 how many times are you gonna ask the same stupid fucking questions? Every thread has the same exact comments and questions. You don’t get tired?

“Just die already!!!”

Egh. I'll watch any iterations of this show. Aiden annoys the hell out of me tho

I am actually liking season 2 a lot. The complaints are so ridiculous, people are now resorting to complaining about certain dresses etc. just to have something to complain about

So Lilly loses her virginity in one episode and fucks Ronald McDonald Jnr. the next? Pretty on par for a female in this show.

If this is the end of the series then Wtf was the point of the Wexleys? Diversity casting I know, but why continue with them as regulars at all? They have had zero development as characters and have contributed fuck all to the show as a whole.

She’s a teenager r344. Teens fuck.

R344 TO YOU. I love Lisa.

These storylines seem to be for women two or three decades younger. Miranda gets an internship! Carrie will have her dream wedding! Lisa is pregnant! Charlotte is just ridiculous, but her storylines are somewhat age appropriate.

Nya seeing her ex on Instagram was the only honest scene in this episode.

Realistic scene.

Nyla and her Smith Jarrod-ish fuck buddy.

Nya got a big ole booty!

Lisa is pregnant? When did that happen? All I saw was she found her ex's social media post with what looked like a pregnant girlfriend.

I misinterpreted a couple of posts back, and I was thinking of Nya.

She had an amazing body, though, and that's what straight men mostly care about.

She had an amazing body, though, and that's what straight men mostly care about. (Or "straight me," in DL-speak, if you wish.)

Lmao if you don’t like it don’t watch. You’re an adult.

MPK is fucking with HBO.

He’s stunned they continue to shovel out huge bucks to him (and the three main women) for this absolute shit, and he’s testing just how much they will tolerate.

Carrie Selling Her Apartment Is So Upsetting

I dreamt last night that the Samantha cameo involved her driving and collecting the main characters (except Charlotte) in a car. Carrie, Miranda and Seema climbed into the back seat. Seema introduced herself and Samantha said "oh, so you're my replacement.". Then Seema saw a guy on the sidewalk and said something about wanting to fuck him, and Samantha said "you're definitely the new Samantha." Carrie blathered on about how happy she was with Aiden, Miranda put in little quips about being a single lesbian. The final scene of the series finished with Smantha saying "let's get out of here girls!" as they were filmed from above driving out of NYC over the Brooklyn Bridge.

R359, you shouldn't eat that nightly bowl of lard before bedtime. This is what happens.

I was just watching a SATC episode, and Carrie was eating an apple. It was really funny.

Genius, R259!

MPK has to be a Datalounger. He must read these.

Michael…if you are reading this… I BEG you if there is a season 3 to go back and watch seasons 2-4 and remember why the show was a hit. Use your past to make your future

R361, your comment reminded me of a Carrieism I hated and it was her habit of constantly eating in her bed. No fucking wonder she had a rat there one night.

OK, I'm R361, and in a subsequent episode, the foursome are in a perfume shop trying on anonymous scents. Miranda playfully sprays something on Carrie, who says, "Oh, great. Now I'm going to spend the whole day smelling like" a scent that turns out to be Apples and Hay.

THIS HAS TO BE DELIBERATE!

Well let's not forget when she ran into Big outside the Plaza after his engagement party and she came face to face with a carriage horse. They looked like twinsies.

Was that the episode where grown women had enough time to help Carrie pic out a perfume to ensnare a lover? Barf

It is the one where she keeps talking about taking a lovah, but they're just perfume shopping together, not for her.

The whole “lovah” business personifies the annoying edges to Carrie. It’s that studied falsity.

Do we believe today's rumor?

SJP reportedly trying to bring Lisa Kudrow onto the project.

This shit is coming back for another season?! I really thought it would be done.

R370-As what? Her trainer?

I was thinking Kudrow behind the scenes - as a producer/writer.

I’d rather Kudrow come back for a third season of “The Comeback.”

SJP wouldn’t want to share the screen with someone of Lisa’s talent.

Series three will be all about Valerie Cherish’s triumphant Broadway debut in the one-woman stage adaptation of ‘Loved and Lost’.

Carrie Bradshaw, playwright and the toast of Broadway!

Lisa Kudrow *IS* Martha Bradshaw

Carrie reconnects with her Aunt Martha who helped to raise Carrie when Carrie was younger. Aunt Martha is *much* older than Carrie.

-SJP

I'd prefer Martha Bradshaw to be Carrie's sister whom her father had after he left (which Carrie has mentioned) or conceived before or during when he and Carrie's mom were together. They find each other and Martha is just a better version of Carrie - less histrionic, a respected career, a great husband and family, stylish but not in a ridiculous way. And she's super smart. She enjoys Carrie, but Carrie can't deal because she senses, that while she never says anything, Martha vaguely looks down on her. In reality Martha doesn't care - Carrie is just a "bonus sib" who came into view after Martha fully established her life; so she's not relying on the Carrie relationship for anything in particular. But Carrie's neurosis about what Martha thinks of her drives her batty

Lisa Kudrow is joining the cast as Phoebe Buffet Hannighan. Mike's parents died. They inherited all the wealth & fabulous apartment. Phoebe is discovered to be 1/16th Aboriginal and left handed. The other women accept her immediately after meeting her at her Carnegie Hall concert in honor of the 30th anniversary of Smelly Cat.

Were you wearing your Maidenform bra when you dreamt that R359?

Kudrow isn't such a surprise given she worked with MPK on The Comeback. But it's hard to imagine they could insert Valerie Cherish into the AJLT world despite Kudrow saying she wanted to The Comeback 3. So presumably it is a new character.

Seven things we have learnt from Carrie Bradshaw about midlife fashion

Why would Kudrow want to do this?

I don’t get the impression Lisa is eager to interrupt her nice life with a role that requires her to spend a few months in NYC and deal with the hassle of location shoots.

On a show that's a laughing stock.

I see no news articles on this. I think someone's fantasizing about their favorite actress.

Mark my words - Charlotte leaves Harry for her boss.

R386 - this tidbit was at the end of this article.

My apologies, R388. I'm a cunt and you may kick me in my dickbone.

I don't get the people who say this sequel series is outrageous. Many of the conversations in the original series were materialistic garbage and didn't accurately reflect the way women talk and behave.

Carrie is a horrible friend

I don’t think Aiden and Carrie are going to work. He has a whole life with his kids in Virginia. He really shouldn’t be acting like some 20-year-old.

I’ve always wondered who would want these men who neglect their kids to resume dating after a divorce. It’s so sleazy. I mean, sure. a date here or there is fine. But this whole build a new life on a moment’s notice and heave my kids behind? Sleazy.

Aiden shares custody with his wife and his kids have lives of their own. He's not a deadbeat dad.

Where's episode 10?

It's available to watch on my (UK) streaming service. (I haven't watched it yet, though).

Weird. It wasn't showing up on my TV or phone then suddenly there it was!

What a dumb episode.

Clearly inspired by Andy Cohen who is besties with SJP since he announces he is a top only, every 5 minutes.

I’m only holding out for Kim. I feel like her 30 seconds will probably be in part 2 of episode ten though so I will have to slog through the rest of this disaster to see it

I thought Sara Ramirez was excellent tonite. They finally got us to understand Che without hitting us over the head. John Corbett's breakdown was way too much bad acting. Interesting how they handled Stanford and gave him a sort of happy ending. Anthony has always been dominant so I didn't find it all that strange that he's never been fucked. I liked the episode. Let's see what next week brings.

R399 I agree about John Corbett. Shame on MPK for writing a plot scene that John wasn’t strong enough an actor to deliver.

It was cringe.

Aiden is gonna dump her because his son is a mess.

In my day, you waited for the kids to be out of the house before making major life changes (after a divorce.)

Every fucking episode with the fucking pronouns.

“Hello, luv-ah!”

I don't think Aiden is going away. They'll work it out. The next episode (or the whole series) will end with Carrie bidding farewell to her apartment and moving on.

I thought it was the best episode so far. The dinner party feels as tho perhaps it's a series finale. Many storylines reaching a conclusion - Stanford, Nya, Lisa, Che, Steve, Anthony's ass. This episode felt like the first time we've really seen the Miranda and Charlotte we've known. I'd be sad if and just like that it were over. But such is life. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go work out on my Peloton.

I love that Anthony is 63 and getting fucked for the first time

Charlotte again with the puffy dress sleeves.

Cold turkey is your spirit animal - what a terrible line.

I'm not buying Anthony's a bottom is the woman line. How retrograde is that supposed to be?! And did anyone ever think he wasn't a bottom before?

What is all this sturm und drang from Lisa about being pregnant. If you don't want to be there are choices.

I don't believe Stanford would be in contact with Carrie and not Anthony.

r411

they actually speak about this in this ep

How does John Corbett still get acting work? Surely there had to be a better take of that crying scene. I’ve seen better acting from extras and stage props.

They all behaved like spoiled cunts. And yet, I was in tears at the end. Flame away.

In tears over what?

Am so glad Che gave it to Miranda in the stand up. Ironically what was funny was Miranda's reaction and not what Che actually said.

Funniest line was by that person when Che paused: "Anyway...."

The scene didn't need to be played that way. Since it sounds like the inmates are running the asylum over at AJLT maybe it was Corbett's idea but it was a bad one.

Stanford was someone who gleefully sipped Flirtinis and called himself Rick9+ in cybersex chat rooms and now he is a monk?!

No matter how rich a character is, I will never find it believable when someone willingly destroys her own cellphone, as Charlotte does when she thoughtlessly flings hers into a pitcher of margaritas and then cracks up about it. Human beings in the real world just don’t do that.

Charlotte in no way resembles a real person.

R413 - yes but all the prior psychodrama was ridiculous. I think Lisa is either not too bright or an impossible contradiction. She's supposed to be a serious documentary filmmaker but is as materialistic as Carrie over clothes and accessories.

Will Joy from the UN be Miranda's plus one at Carries dinner party? There seemed to be a connection there. And if anyone thinks it's odd that Miranda's boss only took a 5 week maternity leave I once worked with a woman who pushed out her kid and was back in the office 2 weeks later. And that was thirty years ago.

Is Stanford the new monk supposed to influence Carrie to do a similar life change? Will she shed her New York, single woman lifestyle to keep Aiden and move to the country to be with him and help him parent his boys?

R424. We don't need any help raising my boys.

While I am glad, Steve and Aiden finally had a scene , have they been in touch the last 20 years? Is Aiden still part of scout?

I’m glad they honored Willie Garson by… oh, yeah… they’ve honored him by shunting his character off the canvass in an illogical way and continuing to pretend the character is alive.

Nice one!

Wyatt in a drunken rage tried to kill himself upon the thought of that ugly hag becoming his stepmother.

BTW the UN woman was Dolly Wells who was in BBC shows Dracula, The Inside Man and The Outlaws as well as the book store woman who has a brief flirtation with Lee in Can You Ever Forgive Me?

[quote]yes but all the prior psychodrama was ridiculous.

Not every woman is as comfortable with ending a pregnancy as you think Lisa should have been, no matter how ambivalent or even resentful they may feel about having a child.

Corbett had to pull a nose hair to get the waterworks flowing.

Sam Smith and the fat aunt from Kimberly Akimbo have cameos in this episode if you're interested.

You get to see Mario Cantone's bare ass if you're interested.

I got the impression Aiden was backing the Coney Island bar.

It does feel like they're tying up a lot of loose ends. They've even throughout the season given nods to really old characters like Trey and Skipper.

Judy at the vets is the new most hated character. It has to get bitten by a rabid dog and die.

Why couldn't Anthony say he has tried being a bottom but just doesn't like it. That is a perfectly reasonable argument.

I did like the Skipper reference... supposedly Skipper and Carrie were very good friends

Well if Carrie still wants Che at the Last Supper she can have Skipper there too.

It would have been a nice exit to have Che walk off with the bald also NB we assume person. But I think Che will come back for the last episode.

who are the 15? Miranda, Che, Nya, Charlotte, Harry, Lisette, Seema, Anthony, Giuseppe, LTW, Herbert, JAckie, Smoke, Carrie and Seema's man?

Bitsy?

Amanda?

Skipper was ugly as fuck.

Who knew Che's survival job would be as a vet receptionist?

I'm older than Anthony and I've never tried bottoming so it seems perfectly reasonable to me :)

R446 but is it also reasonable to say that you magically changed your mind about this after all those years for a 30yr old Italian 9 incher?

R447. No, dear. The Hershey highway is permanently closed.

I hope the thirty seconds will be enough for Kim to finally win an Emmy for Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series.

I think MPK will deep fake Kim to apologise to SJP for not doing the movie.

The End.

This episode repelled me in so many ways. Che was the worst again--that "comedy," and that of the emcee, my god. No humor, just sarcastic remarks and nothing from Che but self-pride and arrogance regarding Their Gender Identity. Suddenly everyone's trans and enby and that's all they can talk about--why?

Zombie Charlotte and her bratty children, raisin-faced Carrie's new place with the hideous front door that looks like it came from a McMansion, Aidan being a crybaby, boring side characters. It was all so sad to see. The worst part is that I finally finished watching the original series (which I didn't even like very much, but it was higher quality than this), and now I feel I have to sit through another episode of the just to see how it ends.

I know, Negative Nancy, but "I can't help but wonder" why anyone thought this series needed to be made, and especially why all the main characters needed to be super-rich and unrelatable.

About TOS, I meant that it was *still engaging and* higher quality than this. The unrealistic parts were still kind of fun and amusing, but this has felt like a long funeral.

So many upsetting plotlines… why?!???

I agree. Everything's depressing, nothing's fun, and almost every female character dresses like a clown now.

Penultimate episodes are always setting the pieces. Still, this was a weird episode. Did they give John Corbett only one take for his terrible "I should have been" scene?

I'm in the midst of re-watching 'Northern Exposure' in which John Corbett is handsome and charming, has a real sex appeal, and the quality of his acting falls somewhere between more than serviceable and really rather good. None of those things could be said for his turn in SATC and he's thoroughly terrible in this latest AJLT rehash. There's three decades between Northern Exposure and AJLT, but what a contrast between a good performance establishing an endearfing character and bad writing and bad acting aligning so strongly that he can get off the screen fast enough.

Bad scripts! Bad directors!

Does MPK really think the gay men watching this show were dying to finally see Mario Cantone’s ass? If people wanted to see anybody’s ass, it was Giuseppe’s.

That Nya payback was stupid. I'm gonna buy you a $999 pram. Take that!

Finale promo

r459

that actually happened to one of the writers

Are the big puffy sleeves to distract from Charlotte's big ass?

that kitten is adorable. I hope Carrie doesn't leave it in the apt.

I thought Mario Cantone’s ass was cute

Whatever they do I hope they don't reunite Che and Miranda. Nobody wants that. Yeah stand-up brings out the worst in Che. I was starting to warm up to Che because they were a good friend to that selfish Carrie and I actually did feel a little sympathy when they looked at their old footage.

If Anthony really loved Giuseppe, he'd give it the old college try.

He will next week.

The promo shows Miranda rushing out from the supper to get a taxi. Is she running to meet Steve?

I hope Steve is invited to the last supper.

Even though Max does not publicly disclose the episode ratings, you know next week will attract a larger audience than usual - let's say 8 million. I know everybody is joking about Kim winning an Emmy for a cameo but if they play their cards right it could happen. If the cameo is funny and poignant and the audience is left laughing and crying, her winning an Emmy would not be out of the realm of possibilities. Heck Ellen Burstyn got nominated in 2006 for a mere 14 second performance.

R469 - if you do a freeze frame on the promo you can see who is there.

R468: The promos are carefully edited so that snippet was probably meant to throw us off. They likely want us to think she's running to meet Steve because he wasn't at the table when Carrie makes her toast. All we know is it's either Steve, Che, or the UN woman.

How is a Michelin-rated chef supposed to prepare dinner for sixteen in her apartment's kitchenette?

Maybe he brought it already cooked like the guy in Rear Window that Grace Kelly had visit.

Willie Garson apparently asked that Stanford not be killed off so I don't have a problem with the monk explanation. Also killing off the two closest male characters to Carrie would've been too much for both Carrie and the audience.

They could have recast Stanford without our heads exploding.

R473, I know a NYC private chef who's not Michelin-starred, but was formerly the executive chef at Union Square Cafe. Since even many affluent New Yorkers have largely nonexistent kitchens, they prepare everything possible at a commercial kitchen, aside from items that absolutely have to be eaten immediately after heating. In extreme cases I've even seen caterers bring "cooking trucks" and park them outside the party venue!

R475, Willie explicitly asked that Stanford not be recast. It's no longer the '60s, and showing such disrespect to a man's dying wish would not be permissible today.

They're gonna have fun getting up the front stoop.

And just like that, I made my boyfriend's son's accident all about me.

I found the idea that Stanford became a Shinto monk after being dumped by his TikTok client and gave all his worldly possessions away ‘with love’ to be one of the most incredulous plot points of the entire series.

And yet, their little toast and Carrie’s wink felt like the only genuine and affective dramatic moment of the last ten episodes.

The thing that irritated my about Anthony being an exclusive top is that in the real world? He'd be lauded by Gay Poets everywhere. Everyone wants a top. Even tops want tops. And being verse is so not generational. Or if it is? It would be a generation or two older than Anthony. And certainly not in NYC for chrissakes.

There's also no way he would not have already dealt with all the pluses and minuses of what it meant to be a true top before now.

Rock forgot their Social Studies notebook for 4th period and the parents entertain the delusion that someone needs to go home, from work, to rush it to school?!

Fucking bullshit. Tough luck kid. Deal with it.

I will admit SJP’s wink was very touching. Her wink and Seema’s “I need space” have been the best part of the whole AJLT

R482 unfortunately, parents and grandparents do this and it’s more of a norm than exception at this point. Kids are totally indulged.

Charlotte and her endless family drama is B O R I N G. The indulgence in the Rock is a "they" shit and her endless screeching at her phone is unrealistic. Put it on dnd.

I hope there's time in the finale for a hot NB sex scene between Che and baldy!

If they'd put that Che watching old comedy clips of herself last season, they may have brought her more goodwill

R487: They They They They

Corbett had obviously been coached for the crying scene from a master thespian, his wife Bo.

How much of a narcissist are you to watch your own standup act on video and be pleased?

R489: The director is basically a yes person to the actor. Directors have other things to worry about such as the lighting, adhering to the schedule, and answering questions from the studio. Film and episodic television directors will bullshit and lie and tell the actors they're doing a good job because they have to make sure they don't fuck up the $10 million given to them by the studio.

Have we ever seen Carrie in a sobbing scene?

Aidan seems to have found inner strength as in the new promo he is back in Carrie's apartment.

R492 Does YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE ME count? I seem to recall a little fake sobbing.

They should have Carrie move to Virginia. The entire series is NYC as an additional character and Carrie's identity is so tied to NYC. Have her make a really big life move and give up NYC. Of course they won't do that, but it would be an unexpected ending.

"You take a nap-a, you don't move to Napa." What would be the Virginia equivalent?

Yes Virginia, there is an escape clause.

"I hear Carrie's going to be a Virginian".

"Oh, honey, that ship sailed decades ago".

Where was that indoor mall Carrie and Miranda were walking around in? I’m going to be in NYC this weekend and thought I’d check it out.

R498: I believe it's the Tin Building by Jean-Georges on South Street. Not positive though!

R498 It’s the Tin Building at the South Street Seaport.

Thanks R499 and R500.

I’ll check it out tomorrow.

Wow... and just like that, the show goes back to sucking the big one. What a terrible, completely unbelievable episode. Not one note rang true. I sincerely hope this is the end of this crap.

The one thing that made me laugh... Carrie's been in NYC for 35 years and she has to cobble together a guest list for her last supper that is largely comprised of people she hardly knows. You have 16 place settings... you're going to invite Jackie and Smoke? Nya? You barely know these people. I realize people move away, but damn...

Granted I wouldn't have 16 people to invite, but I hate people.

Why did Carrie have to wait till she won a prize? She could have afforded a lavish dinner.

She could have invited me! I'm still wandering the streets, eating pizza that tastes like GARBAGE!

Yeah why not invite Susan Sharon?

Carrie is a bore. She's live in NY that long and never ventured to Coney Island?

I'm still waiting for my plot line to happen.

15 potential dinner guests that would be at least semi-realistic and fun for some cameos, and could have one-off interesting plus-ones: (1) Charlotte, (2) Harry, (3) Miranda, (4) Seema, (5) Seema's plus one, (6) Aiden, (7) Che, (8) Bitsy, (9) Susan Sharon, (10) Susan Sharon's plus one, (11) Enid, (12) Skipper, (13) Anthony, (14) Giuseppe, (15) Courtney (Amy Sedaris).

No plus ones for Che and/or Skipper because Miranda. Maybe Bitsy should be afforded one.

Steve - Wasn't sure given the breakup and, again, the Miranda issue. If Carrie got her approval, then maybe sub out Courtney, Skipper, or Enid for Steve. Major part of the show and many of my theoretical guests know him well, but realistically would it be too soon?

Nya and LTW out because they're more Carrie's associates, friends of friends, and not dating one of her friends like Giuseppe.

Plus Susan Sharon was around for the first engagement to Aiden and publicly humiliated Carrie for wearing the ring around her neck instead of her finer.

Was Susan Sharon's name ever explained? It's so weird.

When my friend breaks up with someone, fuck that person. I'm civil to them, but I'm not going to seek them out for friendship and when friends have done it to me, fuck them too. Carrie is a bitch

Where's my invahtation, dahling??

Amalita, jew crazy if you think you’d be on the list…

Maybe Giuseppe is amalita’s son

[quote]I found the idea that Stanford became a Shinto monk after being dumped by his TikTok client and gave all his worldly possessions away ‘with love’ to be one of the most incredulous plot points of the entire series.

I think you've *hugely* missed the point. Since Willie Gerson didn't want Stanford killed off onscreen, they HAD to devise a way for him to permanently exit the lives of the entire cast – with no possibility of return – if only so Anthony could get on with his life (and get more involved with the hot twink and his massive cock). Was it a bit OTT? Obviously yes, but if only for plot clarification's sake, it made sense for him to leave behind all of his worldly belongings to his husband.

The point of the show was supposed to be about Carrie dealing with an unexpected death, but as it turned out, the entire CAST had to deal with an ACTUAL unexpected death (and in the middle of filming). Carrie's found closure over Big, but Anthony also needed it for Stanford – and now he has it.

Can I crash it?

Is no one going to address the ridiculous Sam Smith creature and the companion?

Still no clue who he he really is except a fat guy in girls clothing.

What's to address, it was a short scene.

R518 that’s exactly what I’ve been saying about the Kim Cattrall scene

[quote]Kudrow isn't such a surprise given she worked with MPK on The Comeback. But it's hard to imagine they could insert Valerie Cherish into the AJLT world despite Kudrow saying she wanted to The Comeback 3. So presumably it is a new character.

MPK was on a podcast with an excitable and knowledgeable homosexual a couple of months back and discussed the possibility of Carrie and Valerie meeting. He also discussed a possible return for Valerie during the Covid lockdown which sadly didn't happen.

He also discusses a sex scene cut from the original run where Miranda meets the hot detective who investigates Carrie's shoe mugging, and Miranda gets really insecure about how attractive he is and drinks herself into oblivion. It would have been nice to see the hot detective shirtless but not the additional content - I DON'T NEED TO SEE THAT! PMSL

It's a really good interview.

IT seemed like Stanford and Anthony were headed towards a breakup in the 1st season

God, I can’t imagine suffering through an interview with MPK. Does he share the brilliance that led him to make 2 Broke Girls such a steaming pile of shit?

Carrie never venturing to Coney Island once in thirty-five years is bonkers. It’s not a place high on my list, but I’ve probably been ten times in the past twenty years. At some point, you just have some reason to go.

R523: Not necessarily. Coney Island is actually quite a journey from where she is in Manhattan. Unless you're a big beach/boardwalk person there's really no reason to go.

I've lived in Manhattan since 1978. Never once went to Coney. Hate such places.

Never mind Samantha - rumour has it that Lucille Ball appears as Florabelle, her beloved character from The Stone Pillow, in the final episode next week.

I love Coney Island. I’d go and sit under the boardwalk to keep out of the sun. We’d be having such fun.

R526, I saw that movie when I was seven and it was so disturbing to see Lucy as a homeless woman for me at the time.

My prediction is Samantha’s appearance will be a big puff of nothing.

It was brave of Steve to reveal that he used to give hand jobs for cash under the boardwalk when he was a kid.

Does anyone recognize that black guy that is introduced to Nya downstairs in Carrie's building?

r531

I think she met him in a bar but she wasn't ready to do anything with anyone

I'm in my 60s and have lived in NYC my entire life. Never been to Coney Island.

R532 - how does Carrie know him?

R531 It’s Gary Dourdan. He was on an earlier episode this season.

R532 It looks like he’s part of the Michelin starred chef’s team.

I stand corrected then. I also don’t care for Coney, but have had multiple reasons to go there (friend invites, NY Aquarium visit, Cyclones game)

A friend of mine had a dinner party for 16 people in Coney Island. She begged me to come because who the fuck knows 16 people, but I said- Coney Island? You're out of your fucking mind!

I have a compelling theory about what happens.'

Who is Smoke again?

The fat, untalented seamstress the fat untalented Asian guy is married to.

What are the chances whoever wrote Samantha's scene actually did a good job of making it funny and poignant? If it was top secret then who on earth actually wrote and directed it?

R542: I’m worried because MPK wrote the season finale. He’s a talentless hack and doesn’t write great parts for women. The Samantha scene will either be funny and poignant or completely underwhelming.

Carrie keeping the cat bothers me as well. She couldn't keep a plant alive

But R543 as neither MPK or SJP were informed of Kim's cameo til the head of HBO told them it was a done deal, I wonder who he got to write it? I also imagine Kim had final approval of the content so it won't be anything embarrassing to her character

Virginia is for LOV-AHS

Award winning, “next Ken Burns” documentarian LTW puts together her masterpieces on a vanity table in her closet. Ok.

I still think about that weird C-plot with Charlotte and LTW and the “hot mom” list and the kid the moms were hot over. It was gross but also seemed like it was the start of something that thankfully SOMEONE vetoed it progressing.

Kristin Davis earned a fortune from AJLT and barely had to do any acting. At least SJP and Mrs Rojo Calliente had to do some heavy lifting

r548

where could it have gone?

Kim uttered the infamous 'Laurence of My Labia' line in SATC2. If she was ever worried about content and embarrassing her character she should have spoken up then.

R550 right up young Milo's hole

Kim didn't want to interact with any of the others but if she rings Carrie surely it's going to be a conversation. How does Kim do that alone? I guess with the help of editing. Unless she just leaves a facetime message. I remember someone else raised this question upthread and the answer was a good actor can pause to do a pretend conversation but I'm not convinced.

R544 - i think Carrie will gift the kitten to Lisette.

Still on Lisette: How did she manage to afford to buy Carrie's apartment? On her successful jewelry making business?

They would have shot the scene with another person reading SJP ‘s side of the conversation, then edited in SJP later.

A PA with vocal fry no doubt.

To which Kim said: Get some more emotion into the scene. I can't keep the emotion up if you don't come in right away.

"Kim didn't want to interact with any of the others but if she rings Carrie surely it's going to be a conversation. How does Kim do that alone?"

They're never on the screen at the same time - jumps back and forth between shots of each on the phone. They record their lines separately with some other actor or production person reading the lines they're responding to.

[quote] Still on Lisette: How did she manage to afford to buy Carrie's apartment? On her successful jewelry making business

In a dark storyline MPK decided against because it features no obnoxious children, Lisette makes serious bank as a meth dealer, sex worker, and hit woman. If he hadn't edited it out to show Rock ordering pizza, viewers would have seen that, after leaving Carrie in the stoop of their building two episodes back, Lisette took her Uber to Massapequa, where she proceeded to demand payment for meth from a delinquent client, slice their throat when they insist they can't pay, and then fuck the deadbeat's dead body in the first SATC-universe scene involving necrophilia.

Oh--and she also has great income through her make-at-home arts and crafts.

I just assume Lisette is a trust fund kid.

Carrie implied she sold the apt at a ridiculously low price and Seema reminded Lisette how lucky she is. Carrie doesn't need the money. She could have sold the apartment for $1.

She sells the apartment to Lisette then says get out while we have our sushi.

After listening to Carrie update her, Kim replies, “And just like that, Miranda Hobbes is munching pussy. Finally, she’s less boring… and just leaving that for poor Charlotte. Wish I could be there so I could get an emotional support woman of color and listen to you repeat the same relationship beats with Aidan that were SO riveting the first time around, but I’ve got a fabulous life with a bunch a friends who actually have intellect and interests other than shoes and I’d simply die if I had to go back to all your bullshit…”

When Kim finally appears I can predict the Diana is Dead Scream will ring out from every gay bar across the world.

I hope there's a post-phonecall scene where Kim is shown with some gorgeous lover and saying "Thank God I don't have to see that shallow shrew".

The whole Anthony/Pretty Italian Twink subplot doesn't seem remotely true (I know, much of the serious is very far from any recognizable truth). Apart from the swishy Cantone claiming "top only" status... he'd really say, in 2023, "the bottom is the woman?" And what possible attraction does he have for the twink.... and Stanley, lost and depressed, stumbles into a Shinto temple and within a few months is a full-born monk working and living there forever? Nah. Shinto Japanese are not real friendly to westerners to begin with... let alone a stranger who appears unexpectedly.

As was pointed out upthread - Che on stage is the Che that annoys everyone. First problem is that she isn't remotely funny. Ok, use the relationship to build a routine on, but there wasn't one line that was funny.

Damn, I’ve always thought I’d never be able to afford to live in NYC, but apparently being a receptionist at a dinky vet’s office pays enough to have a glamorous apartment, complete with snooty neighbors!

Giuseppe ..nine inches? Uh…

The character is nine inches, not the actor playing him.

Right, r565? That was just cruel and unimaginative. Nothing funny there. I guess all those people liked paying to hear the Kweer Relationship version of "My ex is a crazy bitch."

The most ridiculous line for me was "You kids today with your versatility!"

Also "There's nothing sexier than a strong non-binary person".

[quote] and Stanley, lost and depressed, stumbles into a Shinto temple and within a few months is a full-born monk working and living there forever? Nah. Shinto Japanese are not real friendly to westerners to begin with...

That does reek of frau fantasy. I know, I'll go to a temple and they'll just adore my Eat Pray Love bullshit. Oh fuck off, they probably hate that shit.

Those monks probably knew Stanford was just fantasizing about being spit roasted by them. Hated his character.

Stanford was exhausting. The monks can have him.

He’s unlikely to be back.

I'm surprised he was only 35 when the show started, he looked at least 50

R574. Unlikely to be back? Sounds familiar.

R576: Everybody has their price right bitch?

WyAtt JuSt WaNtEd tO sLEep aT hIS dAD's HoUSe.

Boo fucking hoo Wyatt, you pussy.

Throw his ass in military school and let Uncle Sam deal with him.

And during that last scene who else flashed on the aftermath of Big's death where Carrie kept saying she should have been there when he ate it?

Ate what?

Willie Garson must have had some serious dirt on MPK and or SJP to be able to dictate demands like my character shall not die and shall not be recast. As opposed to Kim Cattrall who practically begged them to recast Samantha.

Matthew Broderick IS Stanford 2.0

r580

Willie said that? I just assumed they are keeping him alive to honor him

Matthew Broderick playing Stanford would’ve been a bit too close to home….

[quote]Carrie never venturing to Coney Island once in thirty-five years is bonkers. It’s not a place high on my list, but I’ve probably been ten times in the past twenty years. At some point, you just have some reason to go.

I've been here closer to 30 years, but I've only been to Coney Island once, and it was because a friend was hosting an event there. I've never been to Staten Island, The Bronx, or the majority of Queens save for LIC, Astoria & LaGuardia - ever. (Also never been inside the Statue of Liberty or up to the Empire State Building's observation deck, though I did see the one at the Twin Towers before they fell.)

[quote]In a dark storyline MPK decided against because it features no obnoxious children, Lisette makes serious bank as a meth dealer, sex worker, and hit woman. If he hadn't edited it out to show Rock ordering pizza, viewers would have seen that, after leaving Carrie in the stoop of their building two episodes back, Lisette took her Uber to Massapequa, where she proceeded to demand payment for meth from a delinquent client, slice their throat when they insist they can't pay, and then fuck the deadbeat's dead body in the first SATC-universe scene involving necrophilia.

Jesus, I love you cunts!

I've lived near ski country all my 62 years and I've never been and never will ski.

For better or worse, a lot of people watch the show. SJP and friends will make sure the ending strikes a balance between series finale and cliffhanger. All tv shows have to do this.

[Quote]Kim didn't want to interact with any of the others but if she rings Carrie surely it's going to be a conversation. How does Kim do that alone?

I requested to film my scenes with the horse from Two Broke Girls standing in for Sarah Jessic, as my final "fuck you" to her and Michael Patrick. Pair of pretentious cunts with their two names.

So who's paying for the dinner?

Will SJP reboot Square Pegs next?

I have not read every article about Kim's return but is it possible that MPK and SJP didn't know that Kim was returning but once they did, MPK wrote her scene?

R591 how I read it was the head of HBO reached out to Kim and had her film the one scene in secrecy, giving her whatever she wanted to make it happen. He then told MPK & SJP to work it in.

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