And Just Like That Season 2 OFFICIAL THREAD

Yasssss Kween!!!

They’re still dressing Charlotte like a little girl, I see.

Cynthia Nixon has officially transitioned into Caroline Manzo

The better to deal with Alvie’s “choice”

Albie- whatever

Did Kristin Davis get her disturbing face deflated?

Reviews are out. Sounds like it's better, but still not good.

I know Kristin Davis commented on how depressed she was about people saying mean things about her face, so I'll just note she looks really good in this photo. More like her old self.

Variety

Bleh. Too much defense of terrible Che.

I hate it already.

This one's brutal. "The only way to describe this season is that it's Saturday Night Live for Gen X white women and gays."

At a certain age women need, and most have to, put away trendy high-heeled footage. My sister said around 50 she found heels to be excruciatingly painful so now opts for flats or very low heels. Long in the tooth Carrie is ridiculous in those trendy heels.

I love that Kim Cattrall still manages to get the best reviews for a show she doesn’t act in

I belive skinny old women can wear high heels, more often than not. If they want to.

If you are in good shape, I think you can probably wear heels beyond your 50’s.

From Variety: “And Just Like That” notably takes advantage of fan patience in the season opener, which involves Carrie and friends preparing to attend the Met Gala and combines several of King’s worst impulses. (These include treating our suspension of disbelief with a touch too much elasticity, and mistaking fans’ love for the fairy-tale aspects of Carrie’s aesthetic for a materialistic gluttony.)

I hope that hurt. Rightly or wrongly, I blame this dick for fucking up both shows.

Any hot guys/male nudity?

Samantha and her hot conquests were the ONLY reason I watched the original series.

Oh my! John Corbett at r9 has turned into Jerry Spence.

Doesn't SJP wear those shoes to promote her own shoe line?

All I want to know is if Che Diaz continues to let us laugh and learn about ourselves and our identities. But no one will tell me.

r21

because it hasn't happened yet

Here's a new interview with Sara Ramirez, where they tell us how exciting it is to have Che "be a disruption to the mainstream."

These cunts have their heads so far up their own deluded brand identity.

And just like tha - they may be "in their 50's", but they're actually pushing sixty.

Sara Ramirez is one ugly ass broad.

Did we learn nothing from the Murphy Brown reboot?

SJP is 58. At that age, most women cannot wear 4-inch heels.

MPK is a grotesque Keebler elf who joins Ryan Murphy in the Faggotship of Hollywood Hacks. The worst thing for creativity is to become, old, rich, happy, & fat.

There are no real stakes, challenges, or purpose. It's just one extended street walk runway scene followed by lunch with the girls at some trendy upscale spot followed by a dinner date with a guy and writing at a laptop. At this point, it's so rinse and repeat ChatGPT could've written the script.

When did SJP & MPK get the idea we no longer cared to see working women trying to advance their careers while having fun with hot men? Why the reticence to inject some more reality into the show? It's simply not interesting watching people who don't have any real problems. You always know Carrie will suffer no financial consequences for her lavish spending. Miranda's career transition has not resulted in any financial constraints. Charlotte is utterly useless.

Why watch? There are no lessons to be found. No tips on how to live life and make it all work. It's all just SJP smiling to the sky and giggling like a desiccated schoolgirl while prancing in the street as derivative, corny, inspirational music plays about being a tough, strong, fighter for fat fraus sitting on their couches.

Does M Musto make a cameo?

One prays not, r30.

Why the fuck would a hack author and her friends be invited to the Met Gala?

The Met Gala notion is so Lawrence of my Labia. He learned nothing. What a hack.

r32, she's just not a hack author now. She's a hack podcaster (though it was clear in the first season the writers didn't understand what a podcaster is). Clearly they're the toast of the Met Gala!

From an interview with Sara Ramirez:

"Judging from the first three episodes of season two I saw, the writers do seem more interested in complicating Che. (Spoiler alert: Miranda dons a strap-on.)"

I just wanted to say I love the thread title!

Anyone in New York society can go to the met gala if they want. I think you have to be vetted to make sure you're appropriate for the crowd but it is a fundraiser. (I think Ivanka and Jared were turned down--they only get to attend charity events in NYC that will allow them to buy tickets).

even celebrities are invited by fashion brands that buy tables. I definitely believe Carrie would go if Big had enough money to buy tables. It is a charity event. $52k per person.

Doesn't La Winter have to approve everyone who gets an invitation?

How does it make Che more complicated by Miranda using a strap-on, I wonder.

r32, according to this recap, "they scored invites ... thanks to LTW and her gobs of money." LTW is the new character Charlotte befriended last year, played by Nicole Ari Parker.

We just want Kim Cattrall

NYT defends the new Miranda

Which brings me to an argument I made throughout Season 1, which most people disagreed with me on. But I’m sticking to it: So much of who Miranda is now and what she does seem out of character because she has never been hit this hard by love. Che is the “core shaker” none of her other partners — including her ex-husband, Steve Brady (David Eigenberg) — ever were, which has softened Miranda in a way many of us never thought we would see. Our self-sufficient queen never worried before that she couldn’t make it on her own. But for the first time, she has something to lose. It shows.

Episode 2 recap for those who don't actually want to watch this thing. (Che has a secret husband?!)

Miranda finds herself stranded in Malibu without a phone to call an Uber. Che sends Lyle (Oliver Hudson) to pick up Miranda, and whoops! Has Che never mentioned being still legally married to that guy?

What might be most wild about this story line is that Miranda is talked out of being miffed by it in a matter of minutes. Che shrugs it off as no biggie, and all it takes is a few kisses for Miranda to forget the whole thing. This is the same woman who walked out on a man at a comedy club in the original series when she found out her date was separated, but not divorced, from his wife.

If the New York Times wrote what r42 said, then they are fucking idiots. Well, bigger fucking idiots than they already are.

R45, good save. The NYT would, of course. It's enlightenment is why new subscribers are signing up hourly. It can't be all Wordle.

Miranda gets the raunchy sex scene in episode one and the full-frontal nudity (which is not raunchy, but involves struggling to get out of a sensory deprivation tank). We also see her hoiking herself into some sort of bondage outfit complete with strap-on; someone behind this show has clearly decided we need more risque sex and it has to involve Miranda, because we’re not going to get it from prissy Charlotte or prudish Carrie.

Episode one sees the characters going to the Met Gala, but nothing funny happens (thank goodness for gay friend Anthony, who has remembered that this is supposed to be a comedy). Episode two includes Carrie and her handsome podcast producer boyfriend writing an advert for vaginal wellness products, and that isn’t even supposed to be funny. It’s dull. But SATC devotees should keep the faith: Carrie’s old flame Aidan shows up soon. And there’s the promise of that Kim Cattrall comeback. At one point, Seema’s hairdresser asks her: “Ready to be blown?” “Am I ever,” she purrs. That’s a Samantha Jones line if ever I heard one, and we need the real deal.

Still woke and annoying as ever.

The girls spend the whole episode getting ready for the Met Ball and we don't get to see them actually at the Met Ball. I hate that talentless Michael Patrick King with a passion.

Che is a predatory “NB” Dyke, who perpetrates the same bad behavior that she hates in straight white man.

Technically given Carrie was 'friendly' with Vogue editor Enid, (Candace Bergens character) Carrie likely would've WORKED the met gala up to marrying John/Big.

In the series now, was her history with the magazine totally retconned from the first show, like most other things? I watched it, but remember virtually nothing.

I can't believe Che married........ a white guy!

OP's photo kills me. The three regulars (all white women) from the first series--are all looking either at each other or straight at the camera, while the new non-white women (and Che the non-white non-binary) stare blissfully at Carrie in that hideous peony gown.

Where is K. Davis on the poster?

That poster at OP is so embarrassing for its transparency. AJLT is a great example of tokenism, these new actors deserve better than just being present without anything to do to make up for SATC's white guilt.

They should call out SJP for their salary disparity haha

And Just Like That… I had multiracial friends

And just like that, I'm spared from having to watch this shit thanks to R43.

Who’s the actor in r40’s photo?

Fags are great accessories, as long as they’re super femme and submissive. Masculine gay men are oppressive and disgusting.

I'll be hate watching.

I'll be FFing Che and count on you guys to share how awful it is. Objectively, the season two reviews are not good. Not awful, but hardly the reception HBO would have wanted and definitely, if privately, SJP is sad.

Is Charlotte's Daughter still calling herself "rock" ?

This show is so dumb but I love that it showed the overreach of teachers and schools in aiding and abetting bullshit "non binary" identities.

And just like that….what’s the difference?

Who is MPK blowing at People Magazine? LOL NO

RANDOM THOUGHTS:

Apparently, everyone in Manhattan now is Asian, if the second episode is any indication.

My God, I hate that they made this show about one-percenters with no real problems. Are we the viewing public supposed to be care about these women getting dressed for the MET Gala??

The dialogue is punchier this season but the underlying problems remain. Charlotte is purposeless and frankly, Nicole Ari Parker is simply playing a black version of Charlotte and stealing her thunder. Charlotte should have so much more to do than just fret about her wayward kids. Kristin Davis is likely seething behind the scenes.

The writers have made Seema the full-on Samantha replacement this season and it's not working because Samantha, for all her archness and confidence, always had a figurative (and literal once) pie thrown in her face to humble her and these writers aren't good with that.

The poster upthread who said the Miranda of old would've called bullshit on the pronoun jack-fuckery is spot-on. That fad will die down and this show won't age well.

*******SPOILER ALERT*********

It's hard to believe the writers bagged Carrie's SATC podcast after just two episodes when there was so much potential to be tapped. And the guy playing her producer/ sex partner is smoking hot. I definitely would've gone to that bourbon roof party with him and afterward would've ravished him all night long. This iteration of SATC suffers from a paucity of hot men, unlike the original.

Please start more threads about this show

R65 Kristin is happy to be getting a check.

It's like a scripted version of REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK.

So we get Miranda's tits shoved in our face over and over again but not one single ass shot of Franklin?

Isn't about time one or all of these broads hits menopause soon?

Oh, the navel gazing we will see then.

Are they going to give Steve a plot?

Lol R70 they are all approaching 60

R71: The black female writers hate white men so much they won't even give poor innocent Brady any screen time.

Carrie is asked to read an ad for a vaginal wellness company, and she just can’t stomach it. She hates all the icky language and simply can’t bring herself to talk about issues “down there.” She insists on reworking the copy.

The clownery that ensues around this plot point cannot be overstated. First of all, a vaginal wellness product as a sponsor for her podcast is entirely on brand. The idea that Carrie would be so thrown by the pairing is absurd.

That she and Franklyn task themselves with rewriting the copy instead of simply asking some lackey on the marketing team to request a less geriatric word for “suppository” is a colossal waste of their time. That Carrie, you know, the sex writer, has to call multiple sources to ask what words they use for “vagina” — and that Franklyn feels it necessary to download Final freaking Draft to punch up a few lines of text that could easily have been edited on a napkin — brings this whole sequence to a level of buffoonery we’ve not seen since Kim Cattrall’s Samantha graced us with “Lawrence of my labia.”

The most ridiculous thing the audience is asked to believe, though, is that Carrie’s refusal simply to read this copy out loud is the final straw that collapses the entire podcast empire. That’s it. That one ad didn’t pan out, and the whole company crumbles. The Sex and the City podcast is no more, and with it, the Thursday night sessions with Franklyn die off as well.

Maybe it’s for the best, though, for us, as viewers. Carrie has a blank slate now, both personally and professionally. No job, no man, but plenty of financial stability and freedom to do whatever she wants. It’s exciting to think about where that might take her with no chance of running back to the late Mr. Big (Chris Noth). Especially for the Aidan stans among us.

No sexy nude men? They can fuck off

Talking about Charlotte... Once again, her character is kind of an afterthought. Charlotte has fulfilled an important role over the years, representing a population of women who prioritize children and family above career. But to me, that role has outlived its usefulness. It has been years since we’ve seen Charlotte consider the world outside of her immediate family; sadly, the biggest conflict she faces in these first two episodes is whether or not she can get some kid-size Chanel dress back. Let’s not forget that Charlotte was once a boss in the art world. I keep waiting for that dormant side of her to awaken.

She was a gallery manager/buyer through nepotism R76 she was hardly a big mover and shaker

Charlotte's story ended once she got the husband and kids she always wanted. Even in the movies, she was an afterthought.

""It's Cardi B and Megan Thee Stalion!"

"Well I'm Carrie B and I don't speak like that, so Megan thee end!"

Ah, finally another terrible Carrie pun.

Once they had Charlotte get crabs and then shit her pants she was over.

R79: Of course all the pop cultural references are to black women.

Did Steve take Miranda's money? I hope he did, and hope he moves on with a hotter women too

[quote]I'll be FFing Che

That's a pleasant mental image.

r71, not sure if you want a spoiler, but according to the Hollywood Reporter review above:

[quote]But SATC wasn’t always cosmos and girl talk — and AJLT successfully embraces high drama during a mid-season argument between Miranda and Steve that ends with a superbly acted monologue by Eigenberg. (Kudos to Nixon for directing a top-notch episode that so effectively brings her character’s painful choices to the forefront.)

I loved Eigenboy's end of speech.

Well I enjoyed it,. with the exception of Che Diaz getting her pussy eaten.

I did enjoy the helium voiced butch lesbian with the blue hair.

Why didn't Miranda ask the surfer potheads if she could use her phone to call herself and walk up and down the beach listening for the ring?

Prediction Oliver Hudson (who I thought was Jonathan Tucker) will end up tempting Miranda back to dick.

If Oliver Hudson appears can Goldie Hawn be far behind?

Goldie is the same he as SJP so would be competition.

Sorry, where are you people seeing these episodes (which it sounds like some of you have)? I thought it was to unleashed on a troubled world this Sunday?

They're going to bring back Lexie Featherstone, played by Glenn Close. Anything to make the final three look 50.

When Candy Bergen appears twice her past size that should be a life lesson for the girls.

[quote]Sorry, where are you people seeing these episodes (which it sounds like some of you have)? I thought it was to unleashed on a troubled world this Sunday?

First 2 episodes released Wednesday 22nd. 3rd episode released to media for review but being shown next week.

Oh, wow. Now I have a real ethical dilemma. Do I because I can't resist or don't I because I said I wouldn't?

I just want the fuckin' Gilded Age back and what do I get, the Gorgon Age instead.

Wait a month for the DVD to appear in the bargain bin.

Che Diaz should be naked in every episode.

I loved when someone said they all had emotional support negroes

I thought Seema was Indian.

What's sad is R53 is blind or a liar. The only person on the photo who appears (mildly) to be looking at Carrie is Seema. There' s enough to hate without you totally making shit up.

r58, Ivan Hernandez.

This show would do itself a huge favor if just one character would say: What's this nonbinary shit? Isn't Miranda just a big ole lez dating a big ole dyke? Why do we have to pretend that's not going on?

Of course Carrie's fuckbuddy was falling for her and wanted MORE.

And we're supposed to believe that Che was married to Oliver Hudson?

R101 I think by more we should infer "Big's millions".

Oh please. People Magazine, pandering to SJP, like she's not desperate enough to do an interview with them anyway.

Nobody, including Miranda, cares about him R73.

The really scathing reviews are from British critics

Just realised Che Diaz is pokemon for Shady As.

Run Miranda Run!

R101: Yet another hot guy pretending to find her sexually attractive.

How many pulleys and lifts were used to move Cynthia’s breasts this season?

What's with her voice when she comes in with the narration at the end of every episode? She sounds so....hoarse.

Minor quibbles but I’m surprised that nobody in Production fixed them:

Carrie’s show isn’t a podcast - looks like talk radio to me.

Miranda doing the great ocean cleanup - why were the volunteers scooping up all the seaweed? Seaweed isn’t garbage, it’s part of the ecosystem FFS!

Carrie’s fuckbuddy was in bed wearing a tank top after they had fucked - is that to align with Carrie always fucking in her bra?

I'm shocked they have Charlotte always running around looking like Mrs Cleaver with pearls and little dresses. Why can't she wear jeans, Prada loafers and a blazer?

Lol at all the "diversity."

R8- In that photo she does not look like Kristin Davis but SJP still looks like herself (for good or bad)

"The black female writers hate white men so much they won't even give poor innocent Brady any screen time."

Thank you, black female writers.

r73, you must not have been paying attention last year. He's no longer innocent. They hated him so much they turned him into a gross jerk, giving Miranda more justification to run away from her old, deaf husband and sex fiend son...and straight into the arms of Che of the magic fingers.

LOVE that Nicole Ari Parker scene where she walks to the Met.

They are really ramping up the Seema as Samantha thing.

The woman in red walking across the street - a GREAT visual

No one can replace Samantha.

Apparently Aidan and Samantha don’t show up until the end of the season. I didn’t think they would wrap up the podcast/Franklin storyline so quickly.

There is only Samantha, r119

Awful episodes

I hate watch this thing and I'm pretty confused about the first episode closing with Hong Kong Garden.

I've had enough of Miranda's naked body and Che is built like a big, big guy.

Why the fuck are they cleaning up seaweed?

So for those that have watched what are the sex scenes for the first two episodes?

Good question R124. And why didn’t Che just send Miranda an Uber?

Why is Carrie such a prude about talking about sex and vaginas since she wrote SATC columns?

Carrie’s vaginal deodorant dilemma reminded me of the young Nora Ephron’s expose in Esquire about how bad that shit is for you. I guess hoping Carrie would be coming to the same conclusion was too much to hope for. No, she’s just too bashful to say “vagina.”

r127

Carrie has always been the most prudish

Oh, God, tired of the teen shit and now Lily is trying to be a pop singer and Charlotte is obsessing over a stupid dress.

I sort of liked the first episode - full disclosure, I did FF the Che and Miranda scenes. Too obnoxious. Seema and Lisa are stealing the show. Nya had some good stuff, too. She's a good actress. I bet Miranda's lez lez storyline occurs at some point. Carrie's just being Carrie. Charlotte and Miranda are actually pretty pointless.

There is a show with pissed Nya and seema that is better and that I’d rather watch.

[quote]Charlotte and Miranda are actually pretty pointless.

Agreed

Cynthia Nixon has always been so plain and blah. She's not pretty like Kristin or Kim, and she's not so-hideous-that-it's-interesting like SJP. The bitch has always just been there, blending into the wallpaper. The smart, accomplished, ugly and forgettable friend.

As for Charlotte, this character has never been given a compelling story line or written well. The nanny thing in the second movie could have gone somewhere interesting but then MPK copped out and made the nanny a lesbian. * insert eye roll here *

[quote]I'm shocked they have Charlotte always running around looking like Mrs Cleaver with pearls and little dresses. Why can't she wear jeans, Prada loafers and a blazer?

She's never been anything other than a caricature on this show. It's pathetic, actually. That said, Kristin Davis is very pear shaped and maybe she doesn't like how she looks in pants. Now that I think of it, I can't recall her ever wearing them... leggings when working out is the closest that I can remember.

Lisa, Nya and Seema are so siloed they might as well be on different shows. Nya only has scenes with Miranda (and with Miranda in California, Nya's scenes are mostly her acting with a phone) or her ex husband, Lisa works with Charlotte and her family, Seema's only link to the show is Carrie. If they aren't going to integrate them into the friend group completely, why are the even on this show?

ugh

Thank you, r99.

there's a continuity error - harry says his mom died 10 years ago - but in the original show, she was ALREADY DEAD

She resurrected by the power of Charlotte’s injectables slur and died when she saw Miranda eating Che’s pussy.

That is actually a massive fake flower she is wearing.

Where are the damned smelling salts!

I think I might be done. At some point MPK and SJP decided this show should be a full blown fantasy that has no connection to real NYC life. AJLT has turned that part up even higher and turned the smart writing down to a negative number. They’ve tarnished the brand.

I made it further into this season than last (meaning 3/4 into the first episode). Questions/thoughts:

Where is the comedy? There is nothing clever or humorous going on.

Is this a drama? Nothing dramatic or compelling is going on.

Kristin Davis's face looks better but needed to be deflated by about 25%. Why is she talking like she has dentures?

Sarita and SJP need forehead Botox. All those lines are distracting when they're competing with the below-the-brow Botox and fillers the actresses have clearly engaged in.

Mario Cantone continues to be a wretched disaster in appearance and performance.

SJP seems exhausted.

Where is the script? Everything plays like stage directions. The direction is nonexistent too—the show would be 50% better with proper editing/pacing.

R139 good catch, he said he promised his mother he would only marry a Jew?

Here's the pinned comment on the AJLT sub-reddit.

These fucking reddit mods are worried that a fictional character might get misgendered:

Che and Sara use they/them pronouns.

This show has aired over a year ago, and while we obviously tolerate the occasional mistake and merely remove misgendering comments, please beware that repeated offenses will result in a ban. Reddit now allows us to see a log of deleted comments for each user, so it’s much easier to assess repeated offenses.

Moreover, referring to trans identities as “fantasy”, “not real” or any implication that they do not exist will result in an immediate ban.

Thank you to everyone that has been reporting comments violating our rules, please do not hesitate to do it as it makes our work much faster in catching them.

I agree with R136 and you've said it better than I was going to - I just don't see the point of introducing a whole load of new characters and then not doing anything particularly interesting with them, and not integrating them with the regular cast - they are mostly these weird little vignettes and literally phoning it in with the main cast.

After 2 episodes, definitely waiting for something funny and/or dramatic to happen, there's literally no story at the moment. Also think the editing is really weird, the cuts are too quick and the scenes are too quick in a lot of cases. But, I will continue to hate-watch I guess.

We already know how this story will end, because SJP needs Carrie to "win" no matter how improbable. She got her man, she got his money, now she needs a romance and some kids to play mommy to. Enter Aidan stage left, divorced with some kids who will probably be school age, precocious and adoring. The show will end with Carrie finally ~having it all~.

I watched the first episode and to be honest I’m sort of bored and indifferent about the whole thing. It’s good to get into bed and fall asleep too. Other than that. It’s not much to go deep on.

Che’s standup - OMG LA people drive everywhere amirite - receiving such warm applause is so patronising and fake.

It’s the same as how the trans sex workers in recent seasons of SVU are dreamy romantics gossiping about slumber parties. In season 1 they were tough, nasty bitches.

Positive representation of non-binary and trans people doesn’t need to be infantilising, it needs to be real and human.

The strength of the first series was really emotion being brought to the forefront against the backdrop of NYC fabulousity. Now it seems to be about access to the rare air they’re all breathing. So tiresome. Carrie’s front of mind problem is her dress. Charlotte’s more real line is about Harry getting cranky about an everything bagel? Shut the fuck up & pick one up on your way to the office. We don’t care about the law professor and her husband because we’ve barely seem them together. The wealthy doc maker? Please! Is her documentary about artisanal cheese? The daughter’s poem recitation needed to be in FRENCH? In what world is Che funny? And Miranda, who is still married, can’t go to Che’s damn IMDB page to discover they’re married? Plot driven sacrifice of a character. Hack driven - and not the good Jean Smart kind of hack. Bad sitcom hack bullshit. Anthony the accessory gay friend got diminished throughout the episode. As did Stanford throughout the series. Lots of self loathing from MPK there. Carrie, a sex columnist who once wrote about a politician wanting to piss on her can’t handle a vagina ad? I’m going to break up w this series via post-it note.

I wasn’t expecting much, but that mess was worse than I thought it would be.

The only interesting character was the one who liked to fuck.

And Just Like That will end with it all being Stanford's recurring dream.

On the morning of September 11, 2001 Carrie met the gals for breakfast at Windows On the World restaurant.

Carrie called Mr. Big as the joint was filling with smoke. He missed the call. Turns out he was bi-sexual and was getting blown in the steam room at the gym that morning.

Miranda and Charlotte were jumpers.

Samantha almost escaped. She only had coffee and grapefruit and left early to meet with her broker.

Turns out, the broker was also in the tower, just a few floors below. She was unharmed in the initial impact, however, she chose the wrong stairwell, and got trapped on the 39th floor. She perished when the building collapsed.

Meanwhile, across town, Anthony had been called into the doctor's office because his latest HIV test came back from the lab and the doctor had to give the bad news in person. A few years later, after battling meth addiction, Anthony would hang himself in his closet.

To this day, Stanford still has night terrors and often travels upstate to hike alone in the forest.

AJLT, Carrie made Sept. 11 about Big not picking up her call.

From the Rolling Stone review:

[quote](*) For those wondering, Anthony’s husband Stanford is referred to as still being alive and staying in Japan, having ghosted Anthony, Carrie, and everyone else in his life last season, which was the production’s clumsy attempt to deal with actor Willie Garson’s sudden death during filming of Season One. It was an unfortunate spot for everyone to be in, since they couldn’t exactly kill both Carrie’s husband and her best male friend in the same season, but it means one of the show’s kinder characters is blowing off everyone who cares about him.

So they pulled a Samantha on Stanford! These writers are stuck in high school.

R154

Ya see what I’m saying?!

The utter excess and MONEY in every scene. SATC wasn't this obsessed with the 0.1%. It's not relatable. This isn't Gossip Girl.

I like the documentary lady, I wish they would give her and Charlotte some kind of artistic collaboration plot. I liked them in season one.

I hate the new Miranda. I get that people can change but things that made her character stand out, and comedic, are gone. I'd love for them to lose Che, give Miranda a place teaching law at Columbia which would give her a shitload of story potential. She came out, great, don't lock her into a relationship it is killing story lines.

Carrie still sucks.

This show hates women, the characters (and, perhaps even the actors themselves) are self-hating, and its audience is being insulted.

I've never watched an episode of "Real Housewives", but I gather it's unabashedly, openly, self-exploitative, and, seemingly, everybody is in on the joke.

That's much more admirable and honest then all this effort by "AJLT", a money grab dressed up in fictionalized, fake "meaning" and "edginess".

I'm low-brow and a fan of trash. When I'm in the mood for it, you couldn't peel me away from "Cheaters".

But even its staged falsity somehow manages to be much more compelling than all the moneyed clothes, locales and straining, cringe-worthy story arcs AJLT.

So pleased I can out-source my actually watching it to reading this thread.

[quote]Mario Cantone continues to be a wretched disaster in appearance and performance.

Yeah the years haven't been kind to him. He should go gray and stop with the beard and hair dye. I will say that he's fucking funny. He was a frequent guest on Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast and was one of the best guests he had, R143.

I wonder if a comedy show like MadTV could get away with a parody like this now.

This would have been around 98 or 99

r160

that was pretty funny... the SNL one with Christina A is great as well. This one is cute

How did the mole migrate from Enrique Iglesias’s face to Mario Cantone’s?

The first two eps.were so boring. Are these actual plots? As much as I hate to say it, Miranda and Che were the only two who had anything worth paying attention to going on. Everything is so low stakes it's hard to care.

Ladies: do strap-ons require so many straps?

[quote] Kristin Davis's face looks better but needed to be deflated by about 25%. Why is she talking like she has dentures?

[quote] and SJP need forehead Botox. All those lines are distracting when they're competing with the below-the-brow Botox and fillers the actresses have clearly engaged in.

Criticising women for having work done v criticising women for not having work done

The politics of cultural respectability in the second episode seems 20 years out of date. Obviously it is still relevant but it is tired old ground to be the episode’s theme for upper class black characters on TV.

I like the college teacher woman with braids and she does quite a bit with her character but as Cynthia demanded a non-binary lover for Miranda, then than character should have been jettisoned. There’s just not enough time to do her justice.

I would do something drastic and pare down Nixon’s and Davis’ screen time to recurring status like Anthony and then spend more time on the three new women of colour.

Season 3 title

And Just Like That: Cynthia Demands!

This show doesn't even sound like fun hate watching. Just extreme tedium. Everyone (rightly so) makes fun of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, but that sounds like the Sopranos compared to this shite.

Why HBO didn't demand changed after the disastrous first season, is anyone's guess.

Maybe MPK simply has too much power within that network

[quote]I would do something drastic and pare down Nixon’s and Davis’ screen time to recurring status like Anthony and then spend more time on the three new women of colour.

There is no point in doing a reboot if we're going to ship off the main characters from the original (we're already missing Samantha). I also find the professor and her marriage troubles tedious and we haven't spent enough time with Nya to actually care. If they want to do a new Sex and the City with the new characters, then do that. But this kind of limbo where the new characters exist on their own plane, do not interact with each other and barely with the OG characters is strange and disjointed.

^I'm not so sure it's that, but there seems to be no quality control at HBO/Max (whatever). I guess it probably gets enough buzz & viewers to justify it's existence, while HBO gets to check off diversity boxes and make up for the fact that the original show had no one other than white women & gay guys.

I mean, HBO changed it's name to Max. I don't know a lot about brand strength, but if it was me, I'd chose HBO over Max. Then again, maybe they thought HBO sounds too premium and Max they could sell cheap to any loser. I dunno.

[quote]And Just Like That will end with it all being Stanford's recurring dream.... To this day, Stanford still has night terrors and often travels upstate to hike alone in the forest.

And in the final episode, directed by David Lynch, Stanford will be played by Bradley Cooper for most of the episode, with a final waking up from his dream scene starring Miss Glenn Close.

[quote]The show will end with Carrie finally ~having it all~.

I wonder if they already know it's over when they starting shooting the final episodes? Like HBO said sorry, you suck, so they did a Samantha resolution scene and a reintroduction of Aidan as a strong possibility, so the show can end on an upnote and satisfy the frau watchers?

I won't be ignored,

Michael Patrick King

r172, they changed the name specifically to protect HBO's brand, since they're dumping all the crappy Discovery reality shows on the streaming service and didn't want to taint the HBO brand by being associated by Discovery's crap. Hence, Max.

R176, thanks.. that makes sense. I am in Canada. Near as I can tell it's all still subbranded as HBO up here, streaming through an aggregator called Crave

Max is meaningless, but the stuff you describe seems to fit the bill.

If Nya and Che were white straight women, both would have been jettisoned this season, the first for not integrating into the storylines or with the characters and the second for being the most hated character ever in the SATC universe. But because the two of them check so many diversity boxes and SJP and MPK are so afraid of the twitter mob going after them, we're stuck suffering through their storylines.

Exactly how does Nicole Ari Parker's family make their money? Because I know it ain't from documentary filmmaking. She seems even richer than Big was. It's a huge turnoff.

I hate Charlotte's children with the heat of a thousand suns. And Charlotte is a huge bore. Clearly the only solution is to give the character a mental break and have her murder her daughters. Win win.

I never want to see Miranda or Che nude or semi nude again. At least I was able to glory in the knowledge that Nixon had to suffer take after take with her face buried in Ramirez' disgusting crotch.

There is no way Miranda would have been as easily placated by Che's "explanation" of her marriage. Did I miss an episode last season where Miranda donated her brain to science?

A joke about driving in LA? Any other comic would have been booed off the stage. But not our Che! Everything she says is comedy GOLD!

Carrie is looking especially cronish this season. I don't buy for a minute that Ivan Hernandez was attracted to her. To quote Samantha, "No one wants to fuck Grandma's pussy."

Ali Stroker can't act. She should have thanked her non-working legs when she won the Tony, because that's clearly what got it for her.

I HATE THIS SHOW.

Episode 2 was little bit better than the first one but by God what they have done to the Miranda character is just criminal. At least with Charlotte and Carrie you can see some thread of what the character was 25 years ago but Miranda has been completely destroyed. This is all plot driven. Miranda was my favorite character on the show and I don't see her anywhere here. I FF thru every scene she and Che are in. I can't watch. Its literally unwatchable.

What’s hysterical is Cynthia Nixon is to blame for ruining her own character.

The blame game is:

1) Cynthia Nixon

2) Michael Patrick King

3) Sarah Jessica Parker

Poor Kristen. The only thing she ruined was her face.

Kristen talks like the DL Lizsha troll types.

The original Miranda character is not a lesbian. She loves men. She loves fashion. And she sort of hates herself for being so into both, but she truly is. Cynthia Nixon jettisoned her character’s entire personality in order to suit her own personality. Having met her on more the. One occasion, I’m not surprised. While nice, she has very strong opinions and is quite impressed with herself.

The wealth is extremely off-putting. For a show so hyper focused on being diverse, it’s strange that they made every character wealthy.

I don't see Miranda's development from city lawyer to rich "progressive!" SJW and from bored wife and mother to thrillseeker into they/them vag.

And of course Charlotte would be an uptight mother always one hmmmm away from being a Karen.

Holy fuck R145 that's a police state over there! "Catch them!"

Poor Cynthia Nixon. Her tits still hold up, but the back of her hands make her look 80 years old.

In every scene he's in, Mario Cantone steals the show. I hated when Carrie froze him out of the Met Ball to accommodate Seema.

The show is overpopulated. I could live without LTW and her family (though I like the old battleaxe of a mother-in-law). Their scenes feel like one of those back-door pilot episodes shows did in the 70s and 80s.

Che isn't as bad as they're made out to be. I find Miranda's idiocy (and her tiresome tits) harder to put up with.

R188 its funny you mention that because Che without Miranda actually wouldn't be so bad, That's how bad Miranda is.

Agree, R189!

[quote] I hated when Carrie froze him out of the Met Ball to accommodate Seema.

Right? How shitty was that? No, bitch. She told you she couldn't go, so you invited someone else. Tough shit if she can all of a sudden go. You made other plans. WITH A PERSON.

^^^^because gay men are disposable.

I'm the opposite. I like the LTW family and would see more of them. She's just all kinds of fabulous and Daddy is zaddy!

[quote] there's a continuity error - harry says his mom died 10 years ago - but in the original show, she was ALREADY DEAD

R139 You've got that right. The writers apparently also forgot that in the first movie in 2008, Carrie gave her apartment a glam makeover with her book proceeds after Big jilted her on their wedding day. Fast forward to And Just Like That, and we're supposed to believe Carrie undid this expensive remodel and brought back the dingy old kitchen where Aleksandr Petrovsky once smashed a rat on the counter with a frying pan? 🙄

R194 when she redid her apartment all she did was get some new furniture and paint the walls. She didn’t change out the stove etc. you’re reaching.

Someone here must know Cynthia Nixon from the theatre world of NY. She is a smart, talented person. WHY did she agree to this? She must on some level know how cringe-y it is.

R30 Yes, at Vishara.

R196 why wouldn’t she? It’s her big paycheck.

R195 Perhaps, but the movie implies it was an entire apartment makeover. More stills in this article of the different rooms. It would be odd to invest in this much glam, only to undo it back to 20-something Carrie's apartment when the character presumably now has millions in inheritance from Big's estate.

r198, she doesn't seem the kind to be motivated by money....plus she's surely made plenty already?

R199 not everyone redoes the kitchen, especially someone like Carrie who NEVER cooks. She’s never cooked. I don’t think a new stove would ever be a priority for someone like her.

R200 Miranda is a lesbian because of her. You all are questioning this when she created the storyline for Miranda.

ummmmm no r202, mpk did.

R201 Ok, whatever. You disagree. I stand by my observation, there's an inconsistency. Have a nice life.

R203 false. Cynthia said she wanted them to make Miranda gay. It was even discussed on here during the first season.

R204 only there isn’t an inconsistency

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R206, This is a direct quote from Charlotte to Carrie in the 2008 movie. "I think it is so great that you're redoing your ENTIRE apartment." It's at 1:26 in the film.

Later at 1:56, Carrie has a new housewarming party with about 20-30 guests in what she calls her "grown-up apartment." There are also quick shots where you see the antique wall shelves in the bedroom are gone, and near the entry and kitchen a new glass built-in wall bookshelf that gives the impression it was more than "new furniture and paint on the walls." Though there were plenty of those, too.

I'd post screen shots, but they come out blackened probably to protect the IP. But I went back and actually looked at the film footage. There's a lack of continuity here. Go back and watch for yourself before you stir the pot again.

R208 cool. Where was the kitchen mentioned in all of that?

There are people on this thread who are seriously invested in Carrie’s kitchen.

Yeah. And it’s weird. We never saw if she had her kitchen redone nor was it specified. Charlotte saying your entire apartment doesn’t mean Carrie is actually literally redoing the entire thing.

You're all being very deliberately argumentative, typical DLers. The point is, the writers in that first movie had her invest in a glammed up apartment makeover with some modern finishes. Built-in modular storage system and wall-mounted flat screen in the living room. Some no doubt very expensive furnishings meant to look like retro antiques that Carrie would like. The character went to such an effort that she hosted a fucking housewarming for it. We see glimpses of the redone apartment again in the (HORRIBLE) second film.

Did she redo the kitchen? YOU'RE RIGHT. Technically, we don't know. But the larger point remains -- all that effort the character undertook not so long ago, we're now supposed to forget as though it never happened? Her apartment on AJLT looks barely different than season 1 of SATC, save for the new floral wallpaper.

And Just Like That, we have a continuity disconnect.

Clearly she’s redone her apartment to look like it did years ago r212. Did you watch season 1? She even moves back into it to feel like her old self again.

It’s 100% believable that since 2008 she redid her apartment again, and decided she preferred it the way it was vs the more modern take. She only did the modern take when Big and her were over and she decided to change everything to avoid thinking of him. Knowing her once they got back together and got married she put it back to how it was because the modern update reminded her of when they broke up because he was gonna leave her at the altar.

Carrie is dramatic like that.

Didn't she have a noisy downstairs neighbor in Season 1 of AJLT? Surely Carrie can afford to buy the whole building.

The amount of photoshopping which has gone into the image in OP's link!

It makes Brendad Ickson's Instagram account look au naturel.

R212 I'm guessing that style was great for a movie but a bit jarring in the TV series. Wasn't it a baby shower she was hosting in that little place which suddenly looked a lot bigger?

These women are so wealthy now any relatability they had for others is gone. Carrie had some great scenes where she felt inferior to more seemingly-perfect women such as Natasha or lamented her looks, before they retconed her as a fabulous goddess. Charlotte hasn't ever had any real problems and lives in some Park Ave fantasy. Miranda used to be the "realest" but we know how that turned out ..

Is Anthony still living at Stanford's apartment?

There have been a few occasions in the past where the women dated poor people but we need escapism, not a documentary.

I liked Carrie’s blue painted walls but disliked the huge white modular media station. Not only is it dated but it was not very Carrie, she would have her books close by.

Carrie's blue painted walls felt like it was the inside of a Tiffany box, it didn't work.

I feel instant dislike for Sara as Che Diaz.

You know things aren’t going well when the “sex” in sex and the city, is a 55 year old Cynthia Nixon eating pussy.

[quote]But the larger point remains -- all that effort the character undertook not so long ago, we're now supposed to forget as though it never happened?

If it's that big a deal to you, maybe stop watching? It's just a set.

Is SJP reading the horrific reviews?

She’s saying, “Wow. They just don’t get it. They don’t see the layers…the exquisite art. They aren’t willing to “see” women of a certain age. It’s a sad commentary on our society.”

Still unclear why Nixon agreed to this. Cattrall was shrewd and knew what would happen!

Nixon hasn’t made the money Kim has. This is about financial security.

Nixon wanted to push her inclusive agenda. Or is it "their?"

God I hate her and her 75 sexual orientations with a passion.

^ LOL @ 75 sexual orientations.

R225 AGAIN, she doesn’t have the acting career or money Cattrall does. She also made the choice to make Miranda gay. You keep on asking why she would come back WHEN SHE MADE THE CHOICE HERSELF IN ORDER TO COME BACK. Stupid ass b

Please tell me that the (bizarre) cancelation of the podcast doesn't mean that that's it for Ivan Hernandez. He's gorgeous.

PS I liked the first two episodes of season 2 a lot and don’t understand what the complaints on here are about. I mean when you resort to complaining about a stove on a set then you are just looking for any reason to complain

R231 nothing bizarre about it. If you work in the industry you know that shit happens all the time. You’re there one day then the next it’s canceled

The whole company ended up being sold because Carrie wouldn't mention the word "suppositories". That was bizarre, in my view.

I hate to tell you, but that's it for Ivan Hernandez.

Yet Nya lives to see another episode.

Carrie refusing to say the word meant that the ad that was paid for by the company wasn’t fulfilled, resulting in them losing money for the company. The deal was broken.

I’m liking Nya this season and she’s one of the main women, not a love interest. So not a fair comparison

You can like her all you want- she's a waste of time.

At this point I only like the bulldog, Richard Burton. The kids need to be gone. No one gives a shit about Rose/Rock or Lily and her stupid singing. Thank god, Brady is gone. Guess old Steve is too.

r235

on the official AJLT podcast, they sadly confirmed that Ivan was only on for 2 eps this season

I had forgotten they were calling the enby "Rock" now and it started a fresh round of eye rolling in my household.

R238 to you.

They hadn't really done anything to develop Hernandez' character, anyway. He was just there to massage SJP's ego. "See, I can still pull hot man dick!"

[quote] to you.

And to a lot of others, sweetheart. Don't pretend you're leading a majority. Most people are bored by Nya, don't understand why she's there (outside of a box tick) and want her gone.

R244 who are most people?

R243 he was just a love interest. He was not a main character. Just like on the main show where the men were mostly just one episode people. At least he was given a little bit more than one episode, but the men are just there as supporting characters. The women are the leads.

r230, CALM IT ON DOWN. She has made tons of money. More than Kim C

R245, I'm not going to waste time arguing with you because you're in the mood to play disingenuous.. Read the threads if you're really so shocked that anyone has said anything against the character of Nya. And then go fuck yourself.

247 that’s not true though. More than Kim? Doing what????

R248 who are these people? You wanna make a broad claim you need to back it up.

Kim C was a C-list 1980s actress until SATC. Nixon had a strong theatre career prior and then made SATC bucks along with Kim. Why on earth would Kim have so much more money? SHOW YOUR RECEIPTS, MR CPA

Kim was the show’s breakout star. As a result, her quote is high and she’s been in one series after another.

R251 theatre doesn’t give you giant paychecks. She probably made more off of movies like Mannequin and Police Academy than Cynthia made in all her time in theatre. But you work in the industry, right?

It took several sittings to get through these two episodes. It’s terrible. One semi laugh once from me. I’m hate watching to come here to read the comments. LTG is so gorgeous and wealthy it is completely unrelatable to most of the human race.

They finally showed Charlotte in slacks. Now I see why they put her in dresses. Huge ass.

They put Charlotte in dresses because that fit the character of Charlotte. She’s a very uppity upper middle class suburbanite from Connecticut living in NYC.

I liked both episodes. If you can’t enjoy it then don’t watch. It’s really that simple.

Maybe you ought to go join the People Magazine forum, toots. This is DL.

R257 DL is pointless bitchery as in being funny. You aren’t giving that. You’re just complaining about everything like a toddler and lying like a psycho.

This show really does engender some serious anger! It’s just a show.

^ I see what you did there 👀

R254 what made you almost laugh?

[quote] DL is pointless bitchery as in being funny. You aren’t giving that. You’re just complaining about everything like a toddler and lying like a psycho.

Know who you're talking to, dear. It's not you vs. some made up foe. Several people are responding to your whining, as in you're starting to annoy everyone on the thread, not just the person you're arguing with.

I saw Kim on Broadway in Private Lives... she wasn't bad(and I thought she would be horrible)

I think the prettiest is Kim or Kristin. I think the one with the most talent is Kim or Cynthia.

Also enjoying Nya this season. I wanted to get in there so the one Klan Grannie can come off her high (and unfounded) horse.

I want Bo Derek to use SJP as a toothpick.

This is a tiny quibble amongst the rest of the shitshow the two episodes provided, but WTF was with Miranda wearing cowboy boots to clean up the beach?

R74 I agree with every word.

So not only does Carrie, a writer who wrote a column called SEX and the City, refuse to promote Summer's Eve, she also, in large part, kills an entire podcast business?

I am willing to suspend a TON of belief but nothing about any of that "storyline" makes one iota of sense. I could see if she was being asked to promote a racist product. Or a product like owned by, say, Monsanto, but a fucking douche? Really?

Maybe Lily can write a woke Upper East Side protest song and save the podcast empire from its demise?

Another bullshit, bad writing moment. Carrie & Silver Fox, critical to the podcast empire, walk in WITH NO IDEA THE COMPANY IS SHUTTING DOWN. Wheels is already supervising the removing of paper files for a digital company. All because one commercial cannot be rewritten to the writer’s satisfaction.

It’s a shame, because the podcast was working. Carrie-centric. Able to comment on plot. More modern than newspaper. Squandered.

[quote] I think the one with the most talent is Kim or Cynthia.

Funnily, I think both series show Nixon at her worst. For me Miranda always sounds like she's either on the verge of shrill tears or scathing fury. I've seen her in a few other things, like Gilded Age, and was surprised she can play anything else and play it well. She's quite endearing on Gilded Age.

She was excellent on the terrible Ratched.

If you look at SATC Kim had the best blend of comedy and dramatic timing. She makes lines which don't work on paper just by her pauses or intonation. Sam should have been a cartoon which some of the storylines she had to play but somehow Kim humanises and makes her likable.

She also plays completely different characters with skill too, she could have probably made more money doing Samantha rip-offs following SATC but consciously went back to theatre and took on different roles.

TBF SJP tried a couple of non-Carrie like roles such as "Spinning Into Butter" but I don't think it worked for her.

Feels like a shill for the show came onto this thread. Some of the defensive comments seem fake.

R261 it was when Anthony said to Charlotte “maybe we should have drank that other bottle” (or something similar)while Lily was singing her song about “privilege”.

It’s beyond absurd that they chose to make Charlotte’s kid non-binary when they already had Che. Why not a lesbian? What is wrong with lesbians, which neither Roc nor Che nor Miranda apparently identity as.

Isn't that ungrateful brat Rock 14?

R275: “ It’s beyond absurd that they chose to make Charlotte’s kid non-binary when they already had Che. Why not a lesbian?”

its all cut and paste lol support our strike

Did Nicole Ari Parker replace Kim Cattrall?

Fans still hate Che.

Note: Che died on the way back to their home planet

What that relationship needs is more onscreen fingerbanging!

I cant think of anyone who likes the Che character.

Kill her off!

I blame Michael Patrick King for this.

I blame Sarah Hessica Parker for this

I blame Cynthia Nixon for this.

Kim, you're right about that.

I think the Nya character is the biggest disappointment so far this season - of all the new characters I think she had the potential to be the most interesting. But what they have her doing/ how they have her written so, so bad that it’s embarrassing.

Che is a lot more palatable this season, so they seemed to do some work on that.

Carrie decided to renovate her apartment in the intervening years. She has fuck you money. It’s not a big deal.

I placated myself regarding the seaweed by deciding there must be small bits of plastic/netting/misc trash tangled up in it so that’s why they were just grabbing the seaweed. The gag with the dour kid cleaning the beach didn’t work, and I wanted a side story exploring the sex lives of the surfers. Disappointed!

R285 why have you comments 100+ times on this thread?

All you queens need to get over hate watching this and put some late 90s Falcon classics on instead.

The original format was for Carrie to explore relatable relationship or sex issues in her column and for the other characters to explore how those issues manifest in different ways. Instead of having a non-binary permanent character, Carrie would have written a column about having a relationship with a non-binary person, and then the women’s story lines would have explored it and fleshed it out. I miss that format. New topic each week with supporting characters coming and going.

R288 that was in 1998. It’s 2023.

In the season finale, let’s hope the new characters kill the original three, freeing them and us.

God this show is boring as SHIT. I stopped half way through S2E2 because I was sick to death of the unfocused nonsense. Too many characters, too focused on being PC.

Next!

Charlotte used to wear slacks all the times, high waisted numbers. And wore jeans in the scene where they had a picnic when Carrie wore a dirndl with the poncho Lily wore, Samantha wore a long lavender coat and Miranda wore a white turtleneck and a teal wind cheater with the hood up topped with a blue bucket hat. Man, Patricia Field must have hated Cynthia with a passion.

The new costume department are awful. SJP tries her best, bless her heart, but the outfits are not cohesive as a whole.

I finally caught up with this show out of curiosity, and it wasn't that bad. Granted, I didn't really watch the original show, but I did see some episodes and the first movie. All the gender nonsense is ridiculous and annoying, but I do see what Miranda sees in Che, though I hate how subservient she seems. All she seems to care about is their relationship and has nothing else going on. I lost a lot of respect for that character when she abandoned the prize internship to follow Che to Hollywood for a TV pilot. She wanted to be a human rights lawyer and now all she values is mind-blowing nonbinary sex and being a hanger-on to someone who would have come back in a couple of months anyway?

Yes, R293, it's ridiculous.

It never fails to astonish me how there's a certain demographic who finds wokeness actually adorable. This is whom this show is being marketed towards.

How about Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper as Carrie's gay best friends? How about Che getting hit by a truck? How about Seema's adventures on Ozempic? How about Mindy Kaling as Seema's bitch daughter who is the all-time Ozempic success story? How about Carrie bringing out a shoe line? How about Aidan leaving Carrie for Bo Derek? How about Miranda taking up with Susan Sarandon and the two of them going to work for RFK Jr.?

How about we learn that the whole thing has been a dream for decades and the main three were in the World Trade Center on 9/11, depriving the world of, um… of, of, um…

R293. I can understand Miranda's actions. She was a corporate lawyer. She made a shitload of money and supported her husband and her son and her son's grown up and doesn't need her and she has no real life with her husband, they're more like roommates. She's always been the responsible one.

And she got motivated by Trump and embraced "woke" (ugh) and went back to university and she's getting a chance to be relive her youth. She's a wealthy woman pushing 60 who gets one last chance at the rodeo. She she is gonna ride hard.

What I find surprising is that Che would want Miranda. They just don't have any chemistry. And what irritates me is that no ever refers to Che as she, considering she's a big sturdy lesbian.

r298

they refer to themselves as THEY

I watched two episodes of the first season. It was PURE SHIT. Truly cringeworthy.

People really will watch anything.

If this show had just a tiny amount of courage, they could make Che a much better character, or rather, they could allow people to have normal reactions to Che and get somewhere. They had a real opportunity with Tony Danza, who I think is a decent guy but with probably more traditionalist views than not, just ask some real questions. Don't go into some panic that nobody must ever question the glorious wonder that is Che (except, you know she's a fatty, so L.A. is allowed to worry about that). Have somebody say something normal like, "I respect you, but honestly I don't get this nonbinary stuff. Can you help me with that. Do you really see yourself as not having a sex or a gender?" It would be ten times more interesting than some bitch failing to make Carrie a dress or Charlotte's idiot daughter having some inane guilt about privilege.

Che's joke about getting an Uber from the bedroom to the bathroom but she couldn't afford it.....

HILARIOUS!

I listened to writer Samantha Irby, who has been a staff writer on the new series, talk about the Che character.

She said she’s supposed to be annoying. She’s that person who will confront you after the most benign remark.

But then why don’t they show people reacting to her appropriately?

R301 excellent point. They assume their audience already get it or at least won't question it. AJLT is not the show to educate people but it would be far less alienating if they actually gave a voice to legitimate questions people have, or let Sara have a well written scene describing what it's like to be "they"

There was a funny line in the first series when Miranda told Charlotte that she'd cheated on Steve.

Miranda "I had sex in the kitchen with them"

Charlotte "Them? How many were there????"

Miranda "No, Chey uses they/them pronouns"

The writing was excellent in the original show (mostly)

The writing sucks with the reboot. They really got everything wrong

Yeah, there is something deeply wrong with the writing r306. I don't know if it is all particularly introverted 20-somethings who graduated from little bubble schools doing the writing, but it all seems oddly childish. The first season really did have this vibe of middle-aged white women discover that black people and other strange beings exist. These are intelligent, sophisticated, New Yorker women and everything seemed like, oooh, it ain't like this back in Kansas, or Appalachia!

Susan Fales Hill is a socilaite and a writer; she was also a writer on the Cosby Show and that's clear - Nicole Ari Parker is modeled after her.

[quote] Have somebody say something normal like, "I respect you, but honestly I don't get this nonbinary stuff. Can you help me with that. Do you really see yourself as not having a sex or a gender?"

Everyone who is looking for this sort of discourse is forgetting one important thing- There ARE NO ANSWERS. Have you ever heard one of these nutjobs ever give a cogent explanation for their insanity? No, they just deflect. How could you expect her to give you an answer when she doesn't know herself.

Well the show could have taken the mature, intelligent route and at least given these new characters something interesting to do by shining a light on their experiences of gender identity, race in NYC, sexuality etc instead of making them 2D token characters.

Am I the only one NOT looking forward to Aiden’s return? I feel like he will just be swooning over Carrie because she is “the one”. His dream girl! Never mind that she’s an irritating shallow prude who is now old and ugly.

Speaking of "prude," I've been meaning to say that I don't believe Carrie's issue with the vagina commercial was prudishness. She just thought the wording was corny and unrealistic and took too long to come up with a better version. I'm wondering why Wheelie didn't know Carrie and Franklyn were working on it and didn't manage to buy the whole company some time.

In real life, the three original (Carrie, Miranda, Charlotte) wouldn’t be acting like this not one fucking bit.

All three are upper middle-class (if not downright rich) with decades in NYC living extremely privileged lives.

Their lives wouldn’t be chasing stupid trends, oblivious to minorities (even if their just the doorman), go brain dead (like Miranda acting like she’s a freshman in college) and acting like horny teenagers. Miranda especially would be a very experienced lawyer that graduated from Harvard.

All are pushing 60 and would have gone through menopause. Unless they’re on hormone replacement, their sex drive is reduced to almost nothing. Which is why women, once they get a certain age, don’t give two fucks for men and never remarry.

R312 Disagree…ad copy that needs a fix is not a material point in a lead character’s arc. Jeez. That could have been fixed with a five minute discussion in the “real world.”

[quote] Am I the only one NOT looking forward to Aiden’s return?

Yes, the only one in the entire world. All of humanity is united in their love of Aiden, except for you. You're just an iconoclast, a rebel. Congratulations!!

[quote] Am I the only one NOT looking forward to Aiden’s return?

You may be the only one still watching this show.

Sara Ramirez can look beautiful at times. But that photo of her up thread on the couch in a shirt and boots - woof, I can smell the fish from here. Such a vulgar pose.

I actually find Che more tolerable this season, although that’s not saying much. But at least they gave the character some vulnerability instead of having them be a total narcissist.

I also feel like the story is leading toward Che and Miranda having a polyamorous relationship and a threeway with Che’s ex because there is no point in casting Oliver Hudson if they do not get his fine ass naked. So that could be fun!

r319, more sex with Che Diaz = my very definition of fun!

R320 lol well to each their own but Sara is hot to me so seeing Che having sex is not the problem. I was not such a fan of Miranda acting so pathetic about it but they’ve pulled back on that thankfully

I could've gone my whole life without seeing Miranda's pasty tits.

Me too!

[quote]Am I the only one NOT looking forward to Aiden’s return?

You have to forgive me! You HAVE to forGIVE me!

I love John Corbett but yeah I agree they should not have brought him back. They’ve made it clear over and over that the characters are not compatible and never were so I don’t see the point of rehashing it again.

Me too!

I trust we shall forego that pleasure on the Gilded Age.

Scene: Miranda moans in orgasmic ecstasy “Che! oh yes! Che!”

Che crawls from between miranda’s legs and turns to the camera, pulling off a hyper realistic rubber mask to reveal. . .

Samantha!!!

R315 I asked because on this thread posters have said that they are only watching for the return of Aidan and Samantha. Oh, and you eat excrement.

I agreed to a phone call r328.

Now where is that iphone?

You're kidding. No. NOOO!!!

[quote] Sara Ramirez can look beautiful at times.

Yes, and those times were 20 years ago.

R331 hahahaha!

I feel like the writers are retconning their intentions with Che. Just like the writer referenced upthread, I read an interview where MPK did something similar, blaming the audience for not getting what they were doing with that character. But it’s all bullshit. They were clearly trying to force acceptance of this non-binary bullshit, with none of the characters allowed to even express mild confusion, much less criticism.

I wouldn’t care if Miranda had discovered she was a lesbian after all these years. Sure it happens. But what I believe has turned viewers off is the way it was written and how absolutely ridiculous and pathetic Miranda has become. The character and her integrity is completely gone. And there isn’t an ounce of chemistry between her and Che. Zero. Their sex scenes make me want to vomit. LOL.

R334 if they'd gone with the Professor then maybe more believable.

Is Miranda meant to be bi?

Some of you all are projecting your own confusion about trans/non-binary people onto these characters. These are grown, educated, liberal women who have lived in NYC for decades. It would not be believable if they were like “WHAT IS A NON-BINARY?”

You don’t have to like Che but claiming that these characters would not understand their existence is just incorrect.

R336 I think what people are suggesting is that the characters viewers knew from SATC would question this identity or discuss it, as an exploration of what it means. The writing on AJLT makes this a done deal.

If AJLT wanted to be part of the conversation it would actually let Sara voice what being non-binary means from a personal perspective. It would also add to the character which many viewers are struggling to understand or connect to.

And don't give these new yorkers too much credit, this is the same show that had Miranda act like she'd never seen a black person before and Charlotte actively collecting non-white people for her social set

As sweet and kind as Charlotte is, and nicely played by Kristin, I actually think she's the worst. A WASP who was seeking a rich man. She broke up with someone over taste in dinnerware. She lived on Park Av despite not working.

While marrying Harry was a step forward she remains an elitist snob.

[quote][R336] I think what people are suggesting is that the characters viewers knew from SATC would question this identity or discuss it, as an exploration of what it means. The writing on AJLT makes this a done deal. If AJLT wanted to be part of the conversation it would actually let Sara voice what being non-binary means from a personal perspective. It would also add to the character which many viewers are struggling to understand or connect to.

I agree with this. When Rose/Rock "came out" as "non binary"., i.e. decided she didn't want to conform to stereotypical gender roles Charlotte's reaction would have been to point out that there are lots of ways to be female. FFS doesn't Charlotte remember when she dragged up as dude with big dick energy?

But still.it's a TV show so no need to get worked up.

All these old women who are being chased by hot men! Reality has no part of this show. If this was real, Carrie would have to pay for it, or be going out with old decrepit men because that's the only guys she'd be able to get. Or just hang out with her girlfriends and bemoan the fact that all the good men are taken or not interested.

Nailed it, R340

How excited are straight men about having sex with an almost 60-year-old woman who fucks while wearing a bra?

It would be more believable if they didn't buy into the whole "non-binary" thing and called bullshit on it. Especially Miranda who was the ultimate cynic. They should have stuck with a lesbian angle and had that dumb kid as the only transgender as part of teen rebellion and angst since it's a teen fad now.

When I heard writer Samantha Irby interviewed about how the season came together, it sounded like they outlined every episode very quickly.

Too quickly if sounds like. Or maybe it’s just that MPK, who dictated the broad strokes, wasn’t open to debate. Because you’d think someone would have pushed back on some of this nonsense.

I’d have raised me hand and asked them to remind me exactly which character viewers were supposed to like and care about and why.

I’ve lived in New York over 20 years and hang around a lot of wealthy, sophisticated women. It’s simply untrue to say they would fully except non-binary without any confusion or at least questions. I think that’s what a lot of people dislike about the trans movement in general: they pull out a whole new concept that was wholly undiscussed for centuries and then act like it’s a long-held no-brainer that every other human should just accept as true.

ENOUGH with the transphobic “transgender people aren’t real” stuff. You trolls invade EVERY thread. Can we at least talk about a dumb TV show without you all banging on about your anti-trans agenda? If you think being non-binary is not real…don’t watch the show. No one is holding a gun to your head. This is a great example of how your “we’re being FORCED to accept trans/non-binary people!” nonsense is bullshit. Literally all you have to do is pick up the remote control and press the off button.

God I’m tired of this tedious shit in every thread. Please get another personality trait. Just one.

Unclutch your pearls, drama queen @ R346.

R346, there have been several trans characters in Sex And The City, namely the guy who named himself after Samantha and the sex workers who enjoyed the rooftop party after keeping Samantha awake.

What people are discussing is the way people react to that. We're not allowed to say the L word but Miranda is now in a lesbian relationship with a lesbian so butch she doesn't even think of herself a woman, and everyone refers to her as they/them as if it's the most natural thing in the world.

Incidentally there was something on TERF Island twitter today about a cervical cancer charity using the term "bonus hole" to mean vagina. If Carrie had said bonus hole in the advert would she have saved the podcast?

R348 if you think the episode from 20 years ago when Samantha called the sex workers “trannies” & “chicks with dicks” and dumped water on them is current, up-to-date, and better than what they’re doing now, you’re a transphobe

Guess I’ll unfollow this thread. You guys ruin every single discussion on DL with your obsession with this subject, every single time. It’s tired.

She dumped water on them to shut them up, you idiot, since they were down there caterwauling and keeping her awake.

Until they get snipped they ARE chicks with dicks.

The idea of introducing non-binary characters as a disruption is working if it occupies so much of your time, but hopefully you're actually thinking about what it means instead of blindly hating because you don't immediately understand.

Personally, I don't hate it but it's ridiculous and eye-roll inducing. No such thing as non-binary. Can't speak for others.

[quote] God I’m tired of this tedious shit in every thread.

Not as tired as we are of you pushing your pro-tranny anti-woman, anti-gay tedious shit in every thread.

[quote] Guess I’ll unfollow this thread. You guys ruin every single discussion on DL with your obsession with this subject.

Now you know how people feel when they try to have a rational discussion and get interrupted by your insane bullshit. BYE!

[Quote]Guess I’ll unfollow this thread.

Uh Oh, they got 2 sistas now. SJP is really trying to protect that legacy. Love her.

I think Seema is a cunt. The way she dismissed that hairdresser for telling her the truth was just plain cruel. Not that he seemed to care.

Nya's storyline is boring. Just lose the fucking husband already and not even sure why they bothered with a husband or Steve last season. The Black Charlotte seems unnecessary.

Those trans sex workers from the OG show needed their own show. They were great!

They were funny R357.

"I'll shit in yo mouth!"

"No such thing as non-binary. Can't speak for others." Good, don't!

Awkward, unconvincing and only sporadically funny, the show remains a kind of streaming Frankenstein, stitched together from a jumbled assortment of parts.

Ewww, R359 has her panties in a knot.

Non-binary is a fad.

What pisses me off about this show is they do a terrible job presenting LGBT folks (and Miranda’s descent into rampant lesbianism), despite a gay showrunner.

I watch We’re Here on Max. It’s three drag queens who connect with gay/trans/allies/whatever in anti-LGBT parts of the country and prep them to be in a drag show. The people they meet are really affecting.

When you watch the show, you meet so many lovely, sensible people. An adorable trans 9-year-old in Florida who is being demonized but has a lovely family and is just the loveliest child ever… and she will have a hard next decade, I suspect. A lesbian couple with one wife a late-in-life trans and they are so adorable together. Etc.

The point is, there are so many people and types of characters that would make us all think differently about people different from us. They’re not on this show.

The LGBT characters on this show reinforce stupid stereotypes.

R362 they have two lesbians, one total butch, and one baby dyke. I don't see any Trans at all.

[quote]doesn't Charlotte remember when she dragged up as dude with big dick energy

Wrong, idiot frau R339.

Did you actually watch that clip you posted?

Precisely, R363. Fifteen years ago this show would be on the cover of a lesbian magazine for its amazing representation, and we could have all gotten behind it. Because homosexuality is a real sexual orientation. Instead we are pretending there isn’t a single lesbian on this show, but that two of the characters defy all the established laws of biology. It’s homophobic insanity presented as progress.

Charlotte looks like Tim Burton’s Joker. I’m only here for the Samantha spin-off.

Everything else, including the rape of Miranda’s character and dignity, is a NOOOOOOOOOOPE.

Samantha didn't dump water on the hookers because they were keeping her awake, it was because she was getting plowed by one of the hottest men I ever saw on the show and she couldn't concentrate to orgasm. That was the joke, missing sleep wasn't nearly as bad as not climaxing

Has Cynthia said Miranda isn't gay because Che is "they"?

Does Che have a dick? No? Then SHE's a lesbian.

There’s good TV out there. This show isn’t one of them. It’s so terrible.

SJP should be embarrassed with this garbage.

If people wanted to watch rich women doing stupid shit they’d watch one of the Real Housewives shows

If she had remained a halfway decent actress, and not completely ruined her life, I could see Tori Spelling doing a recurring side character in this.

[quote] "I just wanted to say I love the thread title!"

I met Lynn Cohen on a movie set in my home state a few years before she died. A prissy little gay P.A. tried to shuffle her off (it WAS his job), but she asked us if we wanted a photo with her, and of course, we jumped at the chance. A genuinely lovely lady.

Here's that film's trailer.

[quote] "I just wanted to say I love the thread title!"

I met Lynn Cohen on a movie set in my home state a few years before she died. A prissy little gay P.A. tried to shuffle her off (it WAS his job), but she asked us if we wanted a photo with her, and of course, we jumped at the chance. A genuinely lovely lady.

Here's that film's trailer.

Wow that looks pretty awful.

Oh, they just enjoy golf and lacrosse. That's all. And I for one think those haircuts are very sensible.

Doubtful it will ever be back. Kim probably returned to film a cameo because they know it's the end and want to give the audience one last glimpse of Samantha. Plus SJP is off to London to do a play in January so filming wouldn't start for another year. No one is watching.

What play is she doing? Is she playing an ingenue who gets the hot guy? Because that’s all she seems willing to play.

SJP is doing Plaza Suite with Matthew in London.

Equus

^ Good one, you cunt. xo

Re R376, AJLT is the new submersible.

I didn't think it would be that bad, even though the show is, well, kinda bad. Also, why June? You want people to watch, do the cold months.

I agree this is it. It's too expensive for 500,000 viewers a week.

I wonder if the Catrall stunt was a presage to the new HBO Comedy: Samantha in London.

That would be the best revenge.

SJP is one wonky eye away from being Norma Shearer. Right down to the patrician profile.

I so wanted someone, anyone to step up and demand that Dallas producers work out a deal with Victoria Principal to get Pam back on the Dallas revival.

Didn't happen. But...this is nice.

Some head honcho at HBO MAX stood up and said make this happen and it did. I hope Kim got a truckload of money. She brought the sex to Sex and the City.

I have cut the cord but TV is often my music, so I am streaming in the background and I've been watching the home stretch episodes of SATC. Samantha's cancer storyline was pretty good and Cattrall played it very well. When they wrote for her beyond making her the punchline sex doll, Samantha had a lot of common sense, warmth and kindness. Cattrall played it very well.

The show that Cynthia Nixon ruined. You know that SLP will stop speaking to her.

Yeah, Nixon should get down on her knees and thank Cattrall for not coming back. If Cattrall was still on the show, there's no way Nixon would have gotten away with the blackmailing shit she did, forcing SJP and MPK to bow to her every whim. They would have told her to get lost, and she would have caved.

But with Cattrall out of the picture, she pretty much knew she could ask for anything and get it since the show would never survive losing TWO of the four main characters. As it is, it hasn't survived losing Samantha, but they're still propping its corpse up every Thursday for a viewing.

I need chiropractic treatments for my neck, after attempting episode two.

So much second-hand embarrassment!

The Kim cameo is very telling but I think it will get one more season and then that will be it.

Who actually gives a shit about these three bints? Charlotte and her Park Avenue life and annoying brats. Carrie and her superficial whining. Miranda and her out-of-nowhere 180° personality change and orange hair?

What blackmailing R386?

It's not working, the original show, even when I wasn't trying to watch it, I'd wind up leaving it on and eventually would wind up watching it. I tried watching season 1, (loved hate watching the second movie, the first one is just too, too maudlin for consumption). The first season of AJLT was tedious, boring and the execution was pithy at best. This season seems to be moving in the same direction. There was a great shot, NAP and the dress, crossing the street, flawless.

I didn't mean literal blackmailing, R390, but Cynthia was in a place to demand, and get, everything she wanted because the producers could not afford to lose both Samantha and Miranda. So Nixon had them over a barrel and exploited it to the hilt. She's even so much as said so in interviews for the first season (while dancing around it, of course).

I vividly remember SJP doing an interview during the original run where she predicted she would age into a Ruth Gordon like character actress. Clearly that is not what has happened, choosing instead to act like the forever ingenue

Sarah isn't a serious dramatic actress.

I think she looks a lot like an aged Ruth Gordon.

Why am I such a cunt? Because I am savouring the notion MPK goes out with a flop and in particular a flop of this franchise. Congratulations, you stupid fuck.

The show looks VERY expensive and the money ain't there anymore for shows that are critical and ratings failures. Time to wrap it up and I do hope they give Kim the last line/shot.

Even if Kim aged naturally and showed up looking her age, she would still be the sexiest, hottest one.

Well, I tried. I put the first episode of season 2 on last night and got about halfway. It was dire. The new characters add absolutely nothing. No one is fucking watching to see the rich black woman sniff her kid's breath. I think my penis turned in on itself during Miranda and Che's steamy tit sucking session. Why the fuck would Carrie need to consult so many people over a fuck buddy? Charlotte and Harry are boring old fucks. Don't even get me started on that cunt Carrie telling Anthony that Seema needs the Met Ball more. That lame, Wish version Samantha gave up her place so fuck you bitch, you can't just call up last minute and decide to come. And just like that, I'm done. They've ruined their legacy.

I think they’ll get a third season. The show commands lots of attention and I suspect that translates into lots of tune-in, regardless of whether people are hate-watching.

Agree that they’ve destroyed the SATC legacy. But the three leads and MPK are going to stay at the trough as long as they can milk it.

IF they do a third season, I hope they jump ahead like 10 years.

I’m glad the ratings have tanked for this.

1) Bad reviews

2) Lousy ratings

3) destroyed legacy

Ah…yes.. this is clearly the fans fault for being afraid of Che

Is Charlotte a trophy wife for Harry? Although she came with a dowry from her first husband Harry still needs something to keep his interest after 20 years. Charlotte is not particularly bright despite a good education.

HBO has ratings?

I watched the last two episodes of the original series. Miranda had grown so much. She was no nonsense, but she wasn't hard anymore and barely neurotic.

The Miranda on AJLT is just Cynthia Nixon.

R401, do you think these actresses could pull off playing ten years older? Cue: laugh track.

[Quote]IF they do a third season, I hope they jump ahead like 10 years.

Yes, straight to their caskets. Next scene is the token coloured characters laughing at the fact the three old hags got hit by a bus advertising the banner for Brady's new Sex and the City podcast. He knows sex and isn't afraid to tell...

ole horseface throwin some ethnics in to make it all jus fine.....NOT

Exactly, r405, and it makes me unreasonably sad. Miranda was a great television character who had a natural evolution in the original show, which she basically maintained into the movies as well. The character on AJLT bares almost no resemblance.

Did anyone else find the breath sniffing of the wealthy black children strange and unnecessary?

I read that the numbers have improved this season so the show may get a third season if it can continue to build on that.

I have said it before but I enjoy the show. It is not Sex and the City and people need to stop looking at it like it is Sex and the City.

For better or worse the original series is a part of the cultural zeitgeist and people despite their anti-woke complaining will continue to hate watch the new iteration so it will go until the three ladies call it quits. SJP has had really only two hit films in her career and she can't play anything other than Carrie. Kristin is a shit actress who got unbelievably lucky with the original series. She's got nothing going on other than this. Cynthia has probably had the most successful and varied career out of the three of them and since apparently she has even more influence now than SJP, she'll likely be the one who decides to pull the plug

R411: I also read that the second season overall is an improvement on the first season. I agree it's tonally different from SATC but this new version is simply boring and unfunny.

[quote] I read that the numbers have improved this season so the show may get a third season if it can continue to build on that.

I can't imagine where you read that since just the opposite has been reported.

The ratings for the final episode featuring Kim will skyrocket. I love it.

SJP and Candy

Kim shade

^ clearly some DLers have posted comments on Deadline ;)

"If she had remained a halfway decent actress, and not completely ruined her life, I could see Tori Spelling doing a recurring side character in this."

When was she ever a halfway decent actress?

"The second-season premiere of And Just Like That …, the Max reboot of HBO hit Sex and the City, returned to decent numbers last week, but it was down significantly from the highly anticipated series debut.

The season one bow averaged 1.1 million households during the live-plus-three-day viewing period, according to data provided by Samba TV, which measures TV engagement. Comparatively, the season two debut episode was off by 59%, to 463,000 households.

Not all of them stuck around. The second episode, which also bowed last week, averaged 404,000 viewers, off 13% from episode one. While many premiere viewers could certainly circle back to episode two, it does speak to a lack of engagement, indicating viewers weren’t excited enough by the premiere to watch episode two right away."

Loved this honest assessment from a slightly earlier review of season 2, in The Times:

'The new season is just as smug, irritating and brimming with the first-world problems of spoilt, rich, whiney clothes horses as we’ve come to expect. To be honest, I’d be disappointed if it weren’t. It is also made with astonishingly high production values which, I hate to admit, makes it pretty watchable. But hell, it’s annoying.'

LOL... that's the truth of it... but based on the numbers not quite as watchable as before.

[quote]For better or worse the original series is a part of the cultural zeitgeist and people despite their anti-woke complaining will continue to hate watch the new iteration so it will go until the three ladies call it quits.

R412, I disagree. You seem to forget these things are made to make money and/or build brand. Declining audiences and moderate reviews do not represent ROI for HBO. They'll pull the plug when the metrics sink below a certain threshold. I think AJLT could continue with either smaller audiences and great reviews or big audiences and shit reviews, but how do you reckon it can continue with both?

Big audiences at HBO are measured in the millions. The Last of Us' 2023 season premiere drew 4.7 million viewers. Boardwalk Empire once pulled 4.81 million viewers. House of the Dragon drew 9.986 million viewers when it premiered last August. Game of Thrones debuted to 4.2 million viewers in 2011 before steadily exploding. AJLT is not pulling numbers like that. Season 1 premiered at 1.1M, season two at less than half that. As a piece of bragging rights creativity it isn't pulling that either. The economics aren't there. Maybe it gets a three but the business case is hard to construct.

More shows like Somebody Somewhere and fewer shows like AJLT please. I don't know about any of you but I'm hovering around the poverty level so watching rich people whine and complain isn't my cup of tea anymore.

KC looks pretty great in the interview on The View and she sure knows how to give good interview, but that hair... needs a new look to suit her. Her body and face are changing - looks awesome and human - but the hair doesn't suit.

I think you’re all too focused on linear ratings when most viewers not longer watch live or same day.

I also hope it gets cancelled (so sick of all the press about these tired actresses/characters) but it’s amazing how many people will still watch a favorite IP even significantly diminished.

R422 hope you are your kitty are okay X

R424, I was among those talking ratings and recognize these days it's a cumulative figure, not an overnight. Less than half a million viewers per episode is not what anybody wants and it's hard to imagine the figure doubling in time.

I have to say Episode 3 was a vast improvement over the first 2. It was actually pretty good.

Episode 3 is indeed much better. Probably the best of the whole reboot. Miranda even seems more like herself, and the Che stuff is more honest.

[quote] The season one bow averaged 1.1 million households during the live-plus-three-day viewing period, according to data provided by Samba TV

Maybe they should have gone with Sushi Samba TV.

This really is a trainwreck but I will watch every minute of it. I can't wait to hear the official podcast to hear them justify this ep. I did literally laugh out loud when Carrie yelled I have covid

Gotta agree that episode three is a huge improvement. Bitsy!!!!!!!!!

I wondered if this episode might be different as it was written by the same duo who wrote three episodes of season one

OMG, the article at R416. Chloe Malle badly needs an editor! Her writing is so choppy and all over the place. We're not here to read about *you*, Chloe.

Episode 3 is more like it. More of that, please.

The plot for episode 3 was my idea.

And MPK is a fabulous lover.

There were some laugh out loud moments with the MILF storyline.

Just watched it. So the last line of the episode is supposed to be true, that she got it after all from the Australians at the restaurant?

Nope, Episode 3 is still a shitshow.

Sorry, it was mostly a bore. All that stuff about the book recording! And were you all just waiting breathlessly for the perfect moment for Miranda's phone to go off? Ugh.

[quote] Guess I’ll unfollow this thread.

Promise?

I guarantee r439 and r440 didn’t watch the episode. Because it was neither a bore or a shitshow. It was far from perfect but there were some really nice moments. The Bitsy scene was sweet. The foursome at lunch. And the MILF storyline had some laugh out loud moments. And I felt like we got Miranda back for a good 10 minutes.

The shine may be off the Manolo Blahniks.

The second-season premiere of And Just Like That …, the Max reboot of HBO hit Sex and the City, returned to decent numbers last week, but it was down significantly from the highly anticipated series debut.

The season one bow averaged 1.1 million households during the live-plus-three-day viewing period, according to data provided by Samba TV, which measures TV engagement. Comparatively, the season two debut episode was off by 59%, to 463,000 households.

Not all of them stuck around. The second episode, which also bowed last week, averaged 404,000 viewers, off 13% from episode one. While many premiere viewers could certainly circle back to episode two, it does speak to a lack of engagement, indicating viewers weren’t excited enough by the premiere to watch episode two right away.

[quote] I guarantee [R439] and [R440] didn’t watch the episode. Because it was neither a bore or a shitshow. It was far from perfect but there were some really nice moments. The Bitsy scene was sweet. The foursome at lunch. And the MILF storyline had some laugh out loud moments. And I felt like we got Miranda back for a good 10 minutes.

You'd be wrong, asshole. So sorry not everyone can goose step in line with your pedestrian tastes.

The taping of the sitcom was painfully awful, especially since the humor Che is constantly complaining about is funnier than any of her standup, even though it's still terrible. The fucking fat Phranc clone playing the showrunner is a cartoon. SJP needing everyone to flatter Carrie over and over and have her remind them she just wrote a book which she's narrating is super irritating, especially if she really doesn't want to do it. if you're so dead set on getting an actress to do it, then how come every single fucking person you meet in the street you have to tell- oh, I'm on the way to record my book. oh, I just finished a recording session for my book! The MILF list felt like a first year writer's room idea that should have been left on the chalkboard (and is completely indicative of how the writers have no idea what to do with Charlotte or LTW), Seema getting her handbag stolen is also a Z-list storyline that should have been flushed down the toilet, and trying to shoehorn Nya into the lunches felt as awkward as it looked.

Yeah, I fucking watched it, you shithead. And it was a shitshow.

We get some Steve AND Oliver Hudson next week!!!!!! Things are looking up.

R392, and if Catrall had signed on from the beginning, they might have lowballed Nixon and offered her fewer episodes, less story.

She was in the power position and played her hand. I mean...why not?

R444 and R445 so angry. Jesus Christ. Relax.

It's like this on the Succession threads too, R448. That's one thing I don't get about DL... from 0 to straight jacket so quickly, though in fairness, we have no manners based respect for each other here and often times the poster we lose it over is being unreasonably adamant in their contention. Still, I just renewed my membership and I'm already wondering what I did. There is smart and insightful comment here but you people who don't know how to behave, man, I wish you'd go away. You can't be ignored. You're boiling bunnies in every post. Grow up. If you can't go away, could you dial it down? As you lay dying you won't remember anything from here.

It's called standing up for yourself. I don't let people walk all over me IRL, I sure as hell don't let them do it on here. You want good manners, then give them.

Oh orderlies, we seem to be having a little disturbance with one of our patients at r444 / r445. Please bring restraints. That is all.

I haven't watched it yet but Charlotte being listed over by some teenage boys is ridiculous, the woman is almost 60! She was very pretty when younger but give us a break

Haven't seen the latest episode but it was so annoying how Carrie's narcissism rubbed off on everyone else. Miranda's new friend is melting down, breaking up with her lifelong partner and Miranda doesn't gaf. At all. The way Charlotte and Carrie jerked Mario Cantone around. Twice. Just all selfish and annoying

I like the actor who plays Nya but the character is unnecessary. I'd rather see more of Carrie's jewelry designer neighbor. She brings out Carrie's maternal instincts.

[quote] She brings out Carrie's maternal instincts.

Which is ridiculous because

A- Carrie has no maternal instincts. She has one instinct- Carrie Bradshaw.

B- They've shown the downstairs bint once before. She's a device for Carrie, not an actual person.

I find it off-putting that someone so young could have such an amazing apartment, totally out of keeping with what you'd imagine that house to be like.

Bring back the trans rabbi. She was funny and not boring.

[quote]Big audiences at HBO are measured in the millions. The Last of Us' 2023 season premiere drew 4.7 million viewers. Boardwalk Empire once pulled 4.81 million viewers. House of the Dragon drew 9.986 million viewers when it premiered last August. Game of Thrones debuted to 4.2 million viewers in 2011 before steadily exploding. AJLT is not pulling numbers like that. Season 1 premiered at 1.1M, season two at less than half that. As a piece of bragging rights creativity it isn't pulling that either. The economics aren't there. Maybe it gets a three but the business case is hard to construct.

The Last Of Us and House Of The Dragons bring an existing largely male fan base who want to watch live to avoid spoilers.

A female led reboot of a 25 year old series is not comparable.

R458: the only people watching this show are gay hate watchers, ie, “ an existing largely male fan base ”

Does Mitzy know all those bitches used to make fun of her husband for being gay?

Right, R458, and it's not a charity exercise, either. HBO is a business. Gird your loins.

Like some, well just some apparently, I likes episode 3 as well, a lot more than the others. It was so much more coherent, and everyone wasn't just off doing their own stupid, disjointed nonsense. And I really did like Carrie actually struggling with reading that chapter of her book, and actually dealing with the fact that this love of her life is dead. Something that has pretty much been ignored on this show.

[quote] A female led reboot of a 25 year old series is not comparable.

And yet, despite your attempts to spin it differently, the Forbes article posted at r376 makes it quite clear: the viewership for this series is considerably down from last year, and the last two episodes this season are considerably down from the season premiere.

This show is struggling.

[quote] It's called standing up for yourself. I don't let people walk all over me IRL, I sure as hell don't let them do it on here. You want good manners, then give them.

We'll just block you.

Miranda attends the taping of Che's pilot, but why in the world is she waiting in line with the rest of the studio audience? Wouldn’t she be on Che’s V.I.P. list?

Last year, Peloton suffered some bad P.R. for killing off Mr. Big. Will Android face a similar fate for potentially killing off Miranda and Che’s relationship?

After Miranda’s therapy session with a tattoo artist, in which she declares that she wants something that really captures this moment in her life and reminds her never to go back to who she was, Miranda ends up with a tattoo of her own initials. How that accomplishes said goal is lost on me.

Just when I thought I couldn't laugh at even one more SJP/horse joke reference, along comes R379. Take a bow, you bastard!

[quote] And I really did like Carrie actually struggling with reading that chapter of her book, and actually dealing with the fact that this love of her life is dead. Something that has pretty much been ignored on this show.

What are you talking about? Carrie hammered her grief over Big's death into the ground so much that they actually addressed it last season.

[quote] We'll just block you.

Heavens, whatever will I do?

The jewelry heist scene:

Carrie and Seema attend Lisette’s swanky jewelry show, and as they’re admiring the baubles, a couple of cater waiters suddenly — and incredibly casually — start putting pieces in their pockets.

One of the waiters turns to Carrie and Seema and, cool as a cucumber, tells them to hand over their necklace and pinkie ring. He’s not even all that urgent about it.

Lisette sees what’s going on, freaks out and yells for someone to do something. So Carrie makes the snap decision to create a completely counterproductive distraction by screaming, “I have Covid!” Chaos ensues, allowing the super chill and weaponless waiter and at least one apparent accomplice to grab more stuff and run.

Couldn’t Lisette just call the police? We know whodunit! It was the cater waiters! There are, like, multiple eyewitnesses! Go get your stuff back, girl! Honestly. Were those guys, in fact, cater waiters? If not, how did they fool the real caterers?

Were there two of them working together? Were there more? Did every burglar involved have short brown hair and a beard? If the aim is to make it look like a coordinated effort, producers at least could have cast actors who didn’t look like twins.

Thieving cater waiters R471? Christ on a crutch I have even less of a reason to watch now.

R470, I assume you'll go inflict your short fuse and general cranky babyness on other people, once you realise how quiet its gotten for ya. (Won't) see ya, blockhead!

It’s criminally boring. I think directing is a young person’s game and it shows with Michael Patrick King. He directed some sharp, funny episodes of SATC but without the structure of the the main story and the two subplots taking place over 30 minutes he’s fucking up the pacing. When Anthony or whoever makes a joke over brunch we cut to his table mates laughing. What the hell? That’s not necessary.

The cater waiter thing was so fucking terrible. He didn't even have a weapon. I don't understand why Seema didn't just tell him to go fuck himself, especially since she'd JUST BEEN ROBBED! She and Carrie stood their cowering like a couple of schoolmarms in the old west.

I'm glad Miranda's back in NYC (stay there!), and her MH tattoo. Get back to you bitch!

The downstairs neighbor's incredibly flimsy apartment doors bother me.

The caterer/robber was insanely hot. Stupid scene though.

Suck it up Brady! Your girlfriend was a bitch last season.

Was the shower noise when Carrie was reading about Big's death really necessary?

Till next week!

Episode 3 was better, but the Miranda stumbling still stumbling and bumbling over everything. Jesus.

"Miranda," not "the Miranda." Who is this showrunner on the fictional show within a show?

Poor Mario. I hope they at least give him a bf this season.

Maybe Steve will discover he was never being true to himself with the whole straight thing

The straights can keep Steve.

This isn’t an HBO show like The Last of Us. It’s a. max original with new episodes premiering at 3 AM on Thursday. It’s a streaming show, not a primetime tent pole. There is a difference and HBO knows what it is. You’re comparing apples and oranges.

^Very good point, but it begs the question why HBO didn't bring it back to the network proper.

Because they had realistic expectations about where this property fits in current zeitgeist. That’s not a bad thing.

Are we supposed to care the neighbor lost her jewellery? Or Seema lost her bag?

If a waiter tried to rob Samantha she'd smack him in the face with her fist

IMDB lists Christian Schulte as the caiter waiter.

Mario Cantone is cringe worthy in this show. Not him necessarily but his character. It's such a short show and I turn away when he is on screen. Can't they give him ANYTHING? Are we to actually believe he has a thriving BREAD business in carb conscious gay New York? Is the only hot gay male stereotype still a Muscle Mary from 2003? I just don't get how this can pass muster in 2023. Like how can you even right such flat jokes around such banal material and allow it to get to the screen? Every single scene, line he is given, is a dated horrible gay punchline from a different era. Giving blowjobs in public? Really? It's really horrible. Datalounge I am sure could come up with more interesting storylines for this relic of a character. Yikes.

And the Miranda muff diving. I am behind an episode, so I just watched episode 2 last night. Gross with a capital G. I have nothing against lesbians. If those two characters had dicks it would still be gross. And as much as they were going on and on with eating the puss in that scene, they show Miranda looking up and laughing at Che with the driest of faces and lip gloss. If you're gonna do it on screen in all of the gross realness of it, commit to it.

And the haling of a cab on the UES in today's world, just so you can get in some black storyline about racism? Both of those little girls are savvy enough in that world to call an Uber, if not their dad. I am black and have experienced that exact same thing - 10 years ago. And even then I was smart enough to stand in front of an approaching cab with my phone up like I am recording their Taxi ID number as the zoom past - they slam on the breaks then. But since Uber, those cabs are definitely stopping for everyone - especially one headed downtown from the UES.

It's just a lot of weak writing. And it's only my interest in the actresses ability to make something out of nothing that keeps my watching.

^write such flat jokes...

Man, those clothes at r420. SJP gives it the college try but the fits are hideous, especially Charlotte’s.

Any wonder Kim brought back Pat?

Nothing about Carrie makes sense anymore. The whole show seems to struggle with how to let these women be rich enough to go to glamorous parties and buy endless designer goods, while giving them contrived conflict, like a schedule to nurse Carrie - as if her insurance/millions wouldn't have covered it??

She inexplicably lives in that tiny, miserable apartment although she can easily afford to live in something with room for a sofa at least. AJLT season 1 started with Carrie in a huge apartment and talk of how she and Big had been cooking and listening to records throughout lockdown. Then last episode she was back in her pokey studio apartment, rejoicing in learning to poach an egg and discovering the stove for cooking. So what exactly were Carrie and Big cooking during lockdown - air fried chicken nuggets?

In this tiny apartment, she has no space to store a lifetime collection of designer clothes and clearly rents storage, which begs the question, why not live in a bigger apartment with enough storage space? And let's wonder why on earth she kept the wedding dress she was jilted in, and happened to have it fresh, ready to repurpose for the Met Gala?

Now this thing with the girl downstairs... with all Big's millions, Carrie could have easily helped this girl out by legit investing in her jewellery line. Never mind though, she'll have to make-do with hugs from her multi-millionaire neighbour instead.

R483. What are you saying? There is only one network. That is Max. HBO, HBO Max are one and the same under the name Max.

To add to R471 - And at a bvlgari fine jewelry show there is no way there wouldn’t be security at every corner.

R490 they can't make sense without stripping her of the money. The return to the apartment is a way to anchor the character back to the original and maybe make her more relatable.

Miranda is a Harvard-educated attorney and she can't figure out how to put a phone on vibrate?

Ally McBeal was a Harvard educated lawyer and she couldn't figure out how to cook

She didn't need to cook. she rarely ate.

Ally McBeal was always dangerously thin

Haha that was a crap joke, I should have said eat instead of cook.

Agree about Cantone. If a black character were portrayed with such stereotypes, there would be howls of protest. And the thought of him handcuffed to a bed has put me off my food.

Charlotte has always treated him like crap, if someone referred to me as their "best gay friend" in such as screechy way I'd not speak to them again

Anthony. Oy. The step and fetch my purse gay. Carrie & Bitsy still pondering the deaths of their husbands, one of whom was gay. Anthony baking sourdough & having anonymous sex. One episode w reactions to his husband leaving without real warning or discussion. And the disregard of his feelings about the Met Gala. AND the tux he wore looked like a 34th St. cheap import knock off.

If they wanted to make the show more interesting from the start, they should have made it that Carrie somehow did not get much money when Big died. Either he was sitting on mountains of debt from bad investments or he left it to someone else. Whatever. One of the appeals of the Carrie character was her scrappiness, tastes beyond her wealth, etc.

[quote]n this tiny apartment, she has no space to store a lifetime collection of designer clothes

Her bathroom was giving me severe PTSD from 25 years in NYC prewar buildings. Her shower head is the realest thing on the show.

I agree 100% and that was my thought. What would have saved this series would have been if Big died with a lot of debt and Carrie had to start over. It would have made the podcast more high stakes as she would have depended on the job for income.

Is Charlotte going to have an affair with the teenager? Seriously, that character is pointless, why do they think we care about her woes as a rich mother of two miserable brats? She has no real problems, no drama.

Between the disconnected plot points and the varying levels of experience and commitment between the actors, this show could not be more disjointed. From Miranda in the tattoo parlor in California, to Carrie reciting the same line over and over in the recording booth for ten minutes, to Seema's stolen bag storyline, it's like I'm watching five completely different shows. There were some good moments in episode three, but unfortunately the closer you get to the center point of the plot (i.e. Carrie & Charlotte) the less interesting it becomes.

R491 Yes I know. I was just wondering why they decided to make this a max original rather than an HBO original. Probably to drum up interest in what was then their new streaming service.

R505 it’s kind of a recycled plot that Kim turned down the third movie for where she was allegedly flirting with Brady on a hook-up app.

These writers don’t have any ideas and just re-purpose wheat they already have

have they ever acknowledged that Brady's name is Brady Brady?

Cynthia demanded the name change for AJLT with all her other demands

His new name is Brady Nixon

MPK was a a pretty lousy waiter in that pseudo-chic UWS restaurant, too. He got really lucky. I just wish he'd go away.

I don't what you all watched but that third episode was a pain to sit through. Totally boring and unfunny. Miranda still can't figure herself out, Carrie is still in her never ending mourning phase, and Charlotte's life still revolves around her kids.

Steve and Enid show up in the next episode. I remember during the original series Aidan always used to show up around episode five of each season and so perhaps that's still the magic number this time around. The Kim cameo will most likely be in the season finale.

Watching John Corbett act is like watching paint dry. The guy has no range whatsoever.

Wait. Steve and Eydie are going to be on in the next episode!?! Groovy!

I had to re-watch the jewelry robbery because it was so ridiculous. Given how the thieves were able to make off with everything, I thought they must have been armed but they weren't. Also, a fine jewelry show in the middle of Bryant Park would be crawling with security. It was laughable how casually and openly the cater waiters pocketed the stuff.

Carrie's "quick thinking" to scream she had COVID only added more chaos to the situation. What good did that do? And some nerve she had to comfort Lisette at the end of the episode... She basically created the distraction that helped the thieves get away with Lisette's entire collection.

Carrie could have found a better way to distract them

Maybe they had Lisette robbed so that someone else can move into her apartment?

Were we supposed to believe that she got COVID from making out with the rugby guys? Or just sitting next to them? Which begs the question as to why we were supposed to believe those hunks were hitting on those hags.

It's too bad Miranda wasn't at the jewelry show. She could have flashed a saggy red tit and everyone would have been blinded.

If Che had been there she would have rugby tackled them both at once

R521, frankly I'm surprised Lisette didn't. The cater waiter was stealing her life's work and she had a clear opening to tackle him.

Another thing that drove me up the wall about this week's episode was how they acted like Miranda's cell phone ring had ruined the take. The scene was done. The last line had been delivered (maybe there were a couple of jokes to go, but the emotional part had been gotten clean) and then the phone rang. Have these people never heard of editing? Cutaways? If they wanted to make it a disaster, then have the ring come in towards the end of the scene but over one of Che's lines so the take really was blown.

It's a small thing, but just one of the many examples of the contempt this writer's room seems to have for its audience. They think the viewers are complete morons. They're lazy as fuck but figure we're too stupid to notice.

Does Rojo Caliente identify as non binary? Is Che based on them?

Miranda is so cringe. I really fight fast forwarding through every scene she’s in. I’m not into super young guys, but the MiLF list twink had a jaw dropping ass.

I think Che is based on the actress who portrays them, just as Miranda is now based on Cynthia Nixon. To absolutely no one’s benefit.

To be fair, at this point, Miranda Hobbes is based on Susan Boyle.

Great arms too, R525

Lol R528 as of a load of horny teenagers would bother to spell all those old crones names out like that

And in the TV pilot, the showrunner seems to think Che's character is based her/them, not Che.

the MILF list.

Instead of saying, “Oh,” and moving on with their lives, the moms become obsessed with getting a copy — something Lisa somehow finds time to do in her incredibly busy documentary-making schedule. Charlotte and Lisa seem more than a little pleased to discover they are Nos. 2 and 3 on the list.

The group of ladies find themselves clustered outside the principal’s office before a P.T.A. meeting when they hear the culprit is in the room at that very moment. Eventually, the handsome perpetrator walks out, in slow motion, with the expletive-laden “He Be Like” by KenTheMan playing as he strolls past the slack-jawed moms.

Almost all these women are well into middle age, and we can assume the boy is a minor. It’s an out-of-touch scene, frankly. (We would rightfully have a collective conniption if the scene featured instead a group of dads gawking at a teen girl, right?) It’s followed by one that’s maybe even more tone-deaf, in which Charlotte objects to the principal’s decree that this act of misogyny will stay on Milo’s permanent record. They can’t let it affect his otherwise bright future, can they?

This plotline seems like an attempt at levity, which is appreciated after a first season laced with so much grief. But these scenes just give off the ick.

Double standard: a group of DILF's salivating over a teen age girl would be outrageous.

Milo must be desperate if he's listing after a bunch of botoxed hags

I have never once heard any person say the word MILF in real life…and I have worked in a high school for years

Granted, I have the flu and I was only half watching episode three, but does anyone else find Nya socially awkward? Her weird, orgasmic giggling when the sound guy was trying to fix her mic. And then at lunch with Charlotte and Carrie, she says they should change the subject to some heavy shit, that was met with absolutely nothing from the others, and then she starts shrieking that she's received a text from the sound guy. It all just felt really clunky and odd to me.

Seema is the ONLY connection to SATC

I do like Seema, even if she is a budget Samantha.

R509, maybe you were joking, but the kid was given his muff-diving mother’s surname. So he’s Brady Hobbes.

Really interesting how they handled Che differently. Last season, Che was super cocky and not funny--which is a pretty hateable combination. This season, Che cries and is super vulnerable and scared and actually comes across as a human being. Still not funny, but its enough to make Che tolerable.

"have they ever acknowledged that Brady's name is Brady Brady?"

It's actually Brady Hobbes. There's a couple episode arc in SATC of Miranda deciding to have the baby, she's not with Steve, they agree to the last name Hobbes (thinking she'll be the primary caregiver) and then they bat around a few ideas for first names before settling on Brady. And of course they eventually get back together and marry.

Based on the cutaways to the various mothers of kids at schools, I have a hard time believing Charlotte was 3 on the MILF list. LTW at No. 2 I could believe.

Cynthia loves doing sex scenes.

"I feel like I was always fairly game for it. It's just one of the main subjects of the show is sex — people having sex and people having great sex and people having terrible sex and people having hilarious sex."

Sex and the City was known for pushing boundaries and putting it all out there, but there was one line the franchise decided not to cross.

"Miranda dated a really hot detective who she was very intimidated by, he was really out of her league, so she got wildly drunk," the 57-year-old actress recalled. "They didn't cut that plot, but they cut the sex scene where she's really, really drunk and then vomits all over him."

The storyline came from the season 3 episode "What Goes Around Comes Around," in which Carrie Bradshaw (Sarah Jessica Parker) is mugged and the detective on the case, Detective Stevens (Timothy Gibbs), starts a romance with Miranda.

I sure wish we saw more flesh on Detective Stevens.

I actually believed that Charlotte & black Charlotte were friends this episode, so that's progress. And Tim Bagley, the only openly gay actor over 50, played the principal, so, double diversity - age & sexual orientation. He may also be left handed. Score!

I remember that Detective, he was gorgeous. And the way he left her, with the number for AA was funnier than the idea he would still fuck her when she was drunk

Detective Stevens was the hottest guy ever on the show imo. He was also super sexy.

Yes he definitely was, along with that southern guy who's boning Samantha when she gets up to throw water over them.

I seem to remember the guy who can't get hard as he's on an antidepressant as being one of Charlotte's sexier men too.

I thought Charlotte being on a Milf list was stretching the ridiculous. With her Joker face, still distracting, and extremely large ass no way would she be an object of lust to a HS kid.

My God, that face.

Pity Brady wasn't still in high school, Miranda Hobbes-Brady could have been MILF #4!

While attractive, Charlotte is extremely unsexy

And Tim Bagley, the only openly gay actor over 50

What am I, a plus one for the Met Gala to be ignored?

A minor thing, but the way the head of school was talking to the parents was unrealistic. At these fancy upper Eastside private schools, the administrators kiss the parents’ asses, particularly the very rich or very involved ones.

I don't get why parents spend so much money on these private schools. If your kids are smart they'll do well anywhere

A few reasons, R554. One, some NYC public schools are truly awful, and the process is not so straightforward. It’s not as simple as you just go to the school in your neighborhood, particularly after the elementary years. Parents are scared of bad schools.

Two, clout. Some parents want the wealthy, connected network for themselves and their kids. There is a certain prestige to saying your kid goes to Collegiate or Spence or Trinity or Brearley. Some want that.

Three, college. The top tier private schools place around 30% of their graduates in Ivy League schools, and most of the rest still go to respectable ones. Some of it is because these schools are very advanced and prep them for college better than public. But some of it is an old school game where the college advisers have better connections. And then some of it is connected parents. But the promise of getting your kid into a top college is one of the big draws.

A woman who worked for me had a three-year-old who was applying to preschools. The kids basically had to audition.

It was six hours a week for part of the year… $25k.

But the right kindergarten leads to the right private elementary school then the right high school then the right college.

You got it, R556. It sometimes even begins before preschool. There are the “right” toddler classes at places like 92Y and Diller-Quaille.

I would vote for president any candidate who would limit hiring from “elite colleges” to their proportion, relative to all college grads.

Wrong thread

R558 good point, if a kid has brains and skill they should be given a fair shot despite the lack of a prestigious college. This elitism ensures that mediocrities keep getting the best jobs and retain the power.

Bringing it back to this shit show, why should Lily and Rock be given these chances when neither of them are in any way special. I'll cut Lily some slack because she clearly hates Carrie and has been subtly destroying her life since her wedding day

"I don't get why parents spend so much money on these private schools. If your kids are smart they'll do well anywhere"

If you live in a city and working rich (doctor, finance, etc) the schools may be awful. How is it awful? Lots of city kids grow up in poverty--single parents, little supervision. Not saying a poor blue collar person can't do an amazing job as a parent. But some don't do much parenting. These kids have basically just survived but have not been exposed to reading or trained how to behave. The parents leave it to the schools to do that. but its kind of too late--A kid who hasn't been read to until they are 5 years old or taught how to pay attention or be quiet is probably going to have issues learning. Then when homework starts--these kids have no oversight at home. Homework for young children is about the parents doing it with the kid, not the kid handling it on their own. But there's nobody to do it with them.

Inner city schools often teach very little. And when you get to high school, there's no enforcement of kids skipping class and school--since a huge percentage do before dropping out.

Also, you want your kid to learn stuff like instruments and foreign languages in elementary school. Waiting makes it 10x as difficult for them to pick up those skills.

There are just too many things. Too many scenes edited strangely, and too much jumping from character to character. I guess they are trying “breezy” but it’s just erratic.

r560: " I'll cut Lily some slack because she clearly hates Carrie and has been subtly destroying her life since her wedding day "

I glory in the day when Lily catfishes nudes out of Carrie and sends them to all of Charlotte's friends with the caption "She wasn't so dim that Sum".

If it wasn't for Charlotte making Carrie go to Lily's boring recital, Big's ticker would still be pumping

Why is the show called “and just like that?”

MPK was on the toilet and a load slipped out. As he later told a friend, “And Just like that, I took a huge dump.”

His bowels continue to pump it out.

R565 because it trips off the tongue easier than "I Got To Thinking.."

Part 2, when we need it, is linked below

No one NEEDS it.

Look, I'm just going to say it: I liked episode three (liked, not loved.). It felt more fun. Touches of silliness. Yes, crammed. Yes, Che. But had S2E3 been in S1 at any point, this sinking ship might not be.

I am pretty sure we're watching a six episode write out of Che.

More Cynthia:

Nixon was more positive about the reasons for bringing the show back after more than a decade away.

“I’m 57 and I feel like the fifties, the perimenopausal, post-menopause, should be, frankly, a really golden time in a woman’s life. It has certain things in common with adolescence: you can return to yourself and ask, ‘Who am I? What do I wanna be?’ There is a chance to look at your life and make some changes or draw some boundaries.”

R571 they've been saying that about every decade of their lives

watching old SATC season 3 eps, why did Carrie wear a huge flower on her shirt almost every ep? Was that a thing in the early 2000s?

[quote]I would vote for president any candidate who would limit hiring from “elite colleges” to their proportion, relative to all college grads.

The elite colleges produce the brightest people in our population in greater proportion to other schools. That is why they are elite. When you have the opportunity to go to an elite school and sharpen yourself next to some of the brightest people in the world, other students, it only makes you better. Let's not start pretending this doesn't still happen. Maybe not at the level it once it, but it still happens. Go to any elite school lecture hall, class, study session - these kids are next level. They have to be to survive.

Of course there are very bright kids at other schools. But a lot of them would be better served working along their equals instead of being the smartest thing on campus. There are many forms of intellect and the elite schools tend to attract all of the diverse forms from kids around the world. And your classmates go on to basically run the worlds in whatever country they come from.

And as far as why someone would pay money for private schools, it's not just the getting into a good college aspect. That goes without saying. I went to a private school. My parents weren't rich. But my friend's parents were, and I was exposed to their world on playdates from a young age, to family ski trips, to life long friendships with kids who went on to take over their parents' companies and have been great contacts to have. Private schools allow access to a world and a life most people don't have access to. At the very least, I learned how to feel comfortable around extreme wealth and not be impressed by it. Whereas some people only entering this world very late at a professional level often have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to wealth and are intimidated / fascinated by it.

[quote]The elite colleges produce the brightest people in our population in greater proportion to other schools. That is why they are elite. When you have the opportunity to go to an elite school and sharpen yourself next to some of the brightest people in the world, other students, it only makes you better

That's what I said to people who misunderestimated me!

R574 how do kids who are exceptionally talented gain access to these "elite" schools?

Found episode 3 online.

“ The elite colleges produce the brightest people in our population in greater proportion to other schools. That is why they are elite”

Penn = elite college and Trump

They are elite because all those connections and old boys clubs seek to keep the power within their own networks, not because all these elite colleges hone the sharpest minds. Just like all your friends who went on to take over their family companies. R574 surely you can't fail to see that. The one thing these private I situations give people is the confidence and surety that they should be in charge.

Same thing in the UK with so many MPs having been privately educated. Doesn't mean they are any smarter than the average University graduate, simply they've been programmed from birth to consider themselves worthy and capable.

Fuck them for daring to take a penny of the taxpayer’s money.

When did Julie Halston turn into Joan Blondell?

"Could we not say goodbye on a yucky note like this?" What a line.

Che is annoying as shit and it's not the nonbinary thing. They remind me of an asshole I dated in my 20s. Moody and difficult

What was that executive creature on the TV show shoot?!

But I got a laugh from the security guard - I believed you.

The main cater waiter is billed as Burly Bartender and is played by Louis Balleta.

R584, "BD" is Abby McEnany, star of "Work in Progress," the show where Julia Sweeney co-starred in a lot of episodes. She played herself, called to account for the "Pat" character from SNL, which caused the main character, Abby, a lot of grief during her school days. Julia apologizes and they become friends. As I recall, Abby starts dating a cute butch lesbian who turns out to be a trans man.

R586 BD reminds me spookily of Derek Faye - a character on the Catherine Tate show. She even speaks like him, it’s freaky.

It's laughable that these old actresses are trying to turn back time.

I don't understand the end of the episode? Did she get Covid from the Australians?

We see Carrie try on shoes with what look like two tomatoes on them. But then she gets distracted.

I met Kim Cattrall once. We chatted for about ten or fifteen minutes, mostly about the play she was appearing in at the Old Vic in London (Tennessee Williams' Sweet Bird of Youth). This would have been around 2012 or 2013, I can't recall offhand.

She was much shorter than I expected. I know it's a cliche to say this about actors in general, but in SATC Cattrall always appeared tall and Amazonian, with those sexy broad shoulders and that almost regal bearing, whereas in person she was petite, almost slight. Yet it seemed to me it was all in how she carries herself. I couldn't help thinking just how tiny SJP really must be, since Cattrall in my memory always appeared to tower over her.

Kim had no particular reason to give me the time of day, but she was gracious and unfailingly polite. She struck me as both quite introverted and very earnest about her work.

After we'd talked, it seemed to me that she was one of those people who can appear shy or awkward (not rude, but uncomfortable) in the realm of trivial small talk, but who light up and become fluent and at ease as soon as the conversation turns to a topic of substance which they care about. In her case that day, it was obviously the play.

*Sweet Bird of Youth* is an incredibly dark and unpleasant drama (it makes *A Streetcar Named Desire* look like a comedy) and couldn't have been further from SATC in tone or subject. She spoke about her character with wit and nuance and strong feeling. I came away thinking that she was a much more intense and serious person than I would have expected to meet.

All of that bewitching mix of power and humour and vulnerability that she exudes on screen perhaps flow from just how much she invests of herself. There was a sense, even in that briefest of meetings, that she did nothing by halves. She *cared* about the character. She *cared* to hear how I had experienced the play.

Who am I to judge from one tiny encounter? But my impression ever since then, for what it's worth, is that with all of that introversion, intensity and seriousness probably comes also a vast amount of sensitivity. I felt a bit in awe (starstruck, too, no doubt) and found her terribly interesting and impressive to be around.

By the same token, I also find it is not difficult to imagine such a person having a very difficult time in the film and television industry, and a difficult time working at the centre of a pop culture juggernaut like SATC. The strains and stressors on such a personality type are probably enormous in that context; all that strength of feeling. The other three stars don't strike me as anywhere near as sensitive and complex as Cattrall.

All subjective, these were just my impressions.

You guys R575, r578 and 579 are just rehashing some stereotype of Ivy League schools. I don't know if you've been on campuses recently, but it's not quite like you describe. Yes, Trump when to Penn, to the shame of of Penn. And Bush went to Yale. But you are always going to have a segment of rich kids who get in. But most of these campus are Asian and Indian kids now and quite toxic to White heterosexual male hegemony. One of the reason's the supreme court had to step in and "protect it."

[quote]ow do kids who are exceptionally talented gain access to these "elite" schools?

By applying and getting accepted.

There are bright kids everywhere r579. But there is definitely a concentration of them at Elite Schools, no matter how many people want to bemoan the fact. It's just the way it is.

R592 criticizes one stereotype by employing a different stereotype. You’re all wrong

R592 thinks rich = elite

..and that it’s “smarts” more than anything else that gets you into a an Ivy.

Too funny.

[quote]But most of these campus are Asian and Indian kids now and quite toxic to White heterosexual male hegemony.

Yale diversity statistics show that the majority of students enrolled in full-time Undergraduate programs at Yale University are White Males (19 percent), followed by White Females (15.9 percent) and Asian Females (6 percent).

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