Part 2: Harry and Meghan involved in 'near catastrophic' car chase by paparazzi in NYC

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[quote]This is all too hilarious. The HERTZ car rental they went through, the bought and meaningless Woman of Division award, the 3 big SUV's going there, the platitudinal word salad speech, the squeezing into a yellow cab going back, the alleged 'catastrophic' 2 hour car chase

A similar near catastrophic chase in NYC

The chase that never happened

I’m curious as to just how much of this MM set up. I wonder if she told backgrid to follow them as they drove deliberately to stage this whole thing. I do not put anything past her and she has only been emboldened because the media does not call her on her shit.

What is it that they aspire to do versus what is it that they actually do?

I think that they aspire to be the Clooneys - he is handsome, independently wealthy and globally famous. She is a globally famous International Lawyer, not unattractive, wears clothes well and is as well connected as it’s possible to be.

Or Angelina Jolie (plus Brad pre divorce) - globally famous, dropping in to random African civil war hotspots, adopting a rainbow family (maybe not that part for Megs), being filmed picturesquely dusty in neutral toned trouser/over shirt/sandal combos, holding back tears as she strokes the foreheads of the little African children.

What they don’t aspire to be are the truly equally wealthy as George and Amal and Angelina but who go about their philanthropy completely under the radar. Not for clicks on new media. The people who you never hear about or who you know but never publish their philanthropy.

Apart from handing out random packets of corn chips at crime scenes I’ve seen no evidence of any money parting hands. It’s always “Archewell made a donation” or “The Duke and Duchess made a contribution” but no dollar values are mentioned. Of course that would be tacky (the late Queen apparently routinely made donations to causes throughout the Commonwealth but the numbers were never published) but if you’re going to do performative grief in Uvalde or donating your crap childrens’ book to a bunch of disinterested children in Harlem, step the fuck up and show me the money, you frauds!

r7 Surely by now Harry has figured out she calls Backgrid??

[quote] I’m curious as to just how much of this MM set up.

Megs didn't set it up. Her PR firm did. As a means to establish "evidence" to positively impact Harry's security legal battles in England. And I have no doubt that, despite this being seen as the crock/ruse it is, Harry's barristers will STILL attempt to use it in court to their advantage.

The media doesn't "call Megs on her shit" because it's not within the realm of their agenda to do so. In other words, shovel it all you want honey. We won't say a thing. Again, what passes for truth in journalism these days.

What's Backgrid?

R10 I’m not sure if her PR did this because it’s too sloppy.

No doubt she is ignoring their advice.

R12 Megs/Harry set up the parameters, based on what they thought they needed for a positive legal outcome in the UK. WME, their PR firm, then filled in the bits to ensure it played out in print as convincingly as possible. CNN did its irresponsible journalism bit by running with the story with zip checking/veracity. In the end, it's another one of Meg's grifter plays that went no where, that no one will call her on, especially not the media, and that no one will remember by next week. Except of course Harry's lawyers, who, as previously stated, will try to use it to Harry's advantage.

R11 Backgrid is the go to organisation for a particular type of celebrity who wants to be photographed out doing a pap stroll, usually in support of an agenda. The photographee has final say on which pictures are to be used. It’s completely shameless and of its time.

For example if there is expected media coverage, particularly involving the Princess of Wales, Markle will appear pretending not to know that she’s been papped, like clockwork, within 24 hours, to compete for the front page of the tabloids.

Another key is that the celebrity always looks great and is papped in a place where they could usually expect some privacy, such as a random Sushi restaurant in Montecito or a hiking trail (hiking with friends - no dogs allowed) in the hills nearby. The photographers allegedly just stumbled on her.

Check out the Daily Mail (if you can) or TMZ (if you must) photo credits - invariably Backgrid.

R15. Thank you.

The ultimate EST(s).

While the press doesn't overtly call out the Markles on their shit, at least in this case some news outlets are at least dubious/skeptical.

The UK media call out H&M all the time. The UK media nails Markle flat out. They don't lie; they tell it exactly as she is--and he is too. It's refreshing to hear criticism of these two liars.

The Post gently, barely, what do we do? walking it back.

"A taxi driver who transported the couple for a part of their journey after attending the event told The Washington Post in an interview that he would not call the incident a chase, adding that he felt safe during the ride."

In any event, "catastrophes" tend to involve more than three people.

So blatantly, transparently set up and blown out of proportion that it’s truly embarrassing.

"Varying perspectives have now been put forward after the Duke and Duchess of Sussex claimed to be involved in what they described as a “near catastrophic car chase” with paparazzi photographers in New York City.

The Sussexes, accompanied by Meghan’s mother, Doria Ragland, had just left an award ceremony in Manhattan on Tuesday night when they said they were subjected to a two-hour “relentless pursuit” by a “gang” of at least six paparazzi in blacked-out vehicles.

But the couple's version of events has been played down by authorities in New York as senior NYPD chiefs and mayor Eric Adams released statements.

While photographers and a taxi driver also gave their account of the incident which was reported as a two-hour chase through the city's Upper East Side."

As ever, recollections may vary. They are so hungry they can't think anything through.

The story here in the UK is being reported for its 'conflicting accounts' rather than it being 'near catastrophic'.

It is nonstop drama with these two. Love them or hate them, you have to admit that drama follows them wherever they go. Their lives must be utterly exhausting.

I just think about what they could have accomplished in their original roles as Commonwealth Ambassadors. They could have had every single thing they ever wanted, but it required patience and humility. Short supply in that household.

Drama is their currency.

You would think A Woman of Vision would have seen this coming.

It took the press three days to inform the public that it was the Prince and the Pauper who described the terrible awful as a near catastrophic car chase. Not the police. Or the cabbie who was driving them. John Miller, who seems to be auditioning for a job, gave a half-assed account of an incident that he did not personally witness. Would they have garnered three days of free press for an award that most of us have never heard of? No. Even the Mayor is skeptical of just how much danger they were in. He made a point to say that it was NOT a two hour high speed chase as some reports have described it. The two cops assigned to be a part of their private security detail were the only ones at some risk of being injured. TWO. COPS. Gurl, you were NEVER in danger. Of anything other than being ignored.

Nice image from the Post

What do you mean it took the press three days? This just happened about 28 hours ago.

R25 We’re all rather relieved.

Their PR people really did them a disservice with that overwrought statement they released. I get that they were specifically trying to get the tabloids to not publish the photos, and it did cause the DM and Daily Express to delete their stories, but the melodramatic language made it too easy for conspiracists and haters to pretend like they claimed there was a lengthy two-hour non-stop high-speed chase through midtown Manhattan. They didn't say that, of course, but people will claim they did, because they also want to claim that this was a set-up, or a lie, or faked, or whatever seems more exciting to them and/or fits their personal agenda.

Their publicity needs to understand that both sides, the haters and fans alike, are histrionic, and they need to keep their own statements calm and as neutral as possible.

[quote]They both have smartphones. Where are their videos of the pesky moped paparazzi weaving in and out of traffic?

Quote from the previous thread.

There are photos of Harry taking video of the paps so clearly there is video. I doubt he'd release it, but others posted snippets of video which are all over Twitter, I think they originally came from TikTok, showing them trying to drive off in the SUV with the police escort, and also other video showing a mass of paps around the taxi. I really don't get why so many on DL are still saying it never happened. The haters on Twitter aren't even saying that anymore.

R32 There's a big difference between 'being followed/surrounded by some paparazzi' and a 'near catastrophic car chase'.

Morning Joe is laughing at their use of “near catastrophic”

[quote] they claimed there was a lengthy two-hour non-stop high-speed chase through midtown Manhattan. They didn't say that, of course,

Say what??? Perhaps you should go back and read the first sentence of the CNN report. Or the headline of the Beeb's report "Prince Harry and Meghan say New York City car chase was relentless".

[quote] I really don't get why so many on DL are still saying it never happened.

Because it DIDN'T happen. Not one event in that PR-generated report happened. Except in the highly-heated, over-imaginative brains of Megs, Harry and their PR firm. Those exclaiming "OK, well this didn't happen, but . . . but . . . that DID happen" are hedging, attempting to keep the drama flame on high on a rapidly-cooling non-event.

The easier way to "get" Megs is to remember that whatever comes out of her mouth is a lie. That she is forever calculating what to say to reap reward/advantage.

I just dropped a mug on my kitchen floor . It's a catastrophe .

One of the most curious aspects of this event is that not one single medium approached Doria for comment. She was right there. An eye witness. She could have easily confirmed/denied/whatever the "official report". And yet no one asked. Another instance of the media failing yet again to inform the public.

It was like the Holocaust!

Let's see if there are cameras at the intersections...

Harry and Meg are so stupid.

New York City will be their undoing. It’s a tough town.

[quote]I’m curious as to just how much of this MM set up. I wonder if she told backgrid to follow them as they drove deliberately to stage this whole thing. I do not put anything past her and she has only been emboldened because the media does not call her on her shit.

Seems possible. And it's not an exact comparison, but this (possible scenario) reminds me of when Angelina Jolie claimed she once hired a hit man to murder her. Borderline trait, maybe.

There hasn’t been a car chase in NYC this exciting since “The French Connection”.

"Just like Mummy! Hold me, Megs, I'm scared!" -- Prince Harry

That’s the unbelievable part about Blue Bloods, too many car chases.

The Today Show is doing a piece on it this morning.

Publicity stunt

Joe Scarborough was hilarious at the opening this morning describing a paparazzi chase in NYC with Mike Barnacle. He had the table in stitches while Willie held a copy of the NY Post. Mika tried to quash it but Joe wasn’t having it! What a fucking killjoy!

We wouldn't dare to get close to them.

Both their pussies stink.

A couple known for hiring paparazzi issued their own press release announcing the ‘chase’ and that press release had a stylized crown logo on the top of it. If news orgs report it as ‘news’ without verifying, that’s on them.

It’s been a couple of years since I last watched Morning Joe. Do they still repeat the first hour, r47? Would love to see that.

We all survived - barely - a near catastrophic (sic) meteor strike yesterday that would have destroyed everything on Earth.

Today is going to discuss the conflicting reports. We shall see.

Seems totally staged to me. Very creepy that they would do that. I guess they want to knock the new King out of he headlines.

They were chased by some aggressive paps around NYC for awhile. I'm not sure why they didn't just spend ten minutes posing for pictures outside the event. Give the paps something and it costs them nothing. Why put out such an OTT press release. Just play it down and people would be more sympathetic. I don't understand their decision making.

In this modern world, wouldn’t there be …photographic evidence of the so-called chase? Especially Manhattan…cameras everywhere.

It was so stupid to claim there was a car chase through Manhattan.

May as well claim you were going 125MPH on the San Diego Freeway during rush hour.

This was leading on the 6:30 US CBS news last night.

If it’s true, they feed off the drama. They can act all freaked out and pouty and They can let the media do the last bit of work for her them by connecting the obvious dots for the audience…”it brought back stark reminders of Harry’s mum,” etc. No? Really?

If it is staged…they feed off the drama and it’s exactly the same as above.

Nobody likes them or wants to be near them. They are toxic.

[quote] In this modern world, wouldn’t there be …photographic evidence of the so-called chase? Especially Manhattan…cameras everywhere.

Not this time. All the camera on the route obeyed the royal command.

Catastrophic now means leisurely paced.

When “Near catastrophic” appears in print in quotation marks it means -at best - the outlet questions the truth of the statement.

By now few believe it. Or them.

[quote]Morning Joe is laughing at their use of “near catastrophic”

As well he should, along with "relentless." The problem is that they didn't write it, the PR person did. I thought they had good publicity people these days but this was amateur hour and it made everything worse.

Infantile 40 year old teenagers are at it again. They need to be outed with their lies. Disgusting, the three of them.

Will they cover this on The View? Ana Navarro is not a fan of the royal couple.

[quote]Nobody likes them or wants to be near them

Obviously untrue, considering how chaotic the scene was when they went in and when the left, and that they were chased by the paps who sold boring pictures of them in a taxi to the Daily Mail and Daily Express.

They weren't chased, they were merely followed. And Megsie had a big smile the entire time.

Poor Harry, so triggered by all the flashing lights and snapping cameras. Why DOES he keep putting himself in that position?

[quote]Ana Navarro is not a fan of the royal couple.

She's a Repug and Repugs have embraced the royal family culture war bullshit. We're Americans, it's embarrassing that there is an entire political party who is trying to use British royals to score political points, but there is nothing too pathetic for Republicans and right-wingers to exploit to try to create cultural schisms.

[quote]They weren't chased, they were merely followed

Which was obvious by reading the statement. Even though it was histrionic and melodramatic and stupid as hell, the statement said "near collisions." Once we got info from the NYPD and heard there were scooters involved, it was obvious what had happened.

That doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous. TMZ is saying they were chased out on the FDR briefly, and HuffPo said the paps hit a parked car and almost hit someone on the sidewalk. I don't understand why the statement didn't just say this plainly from the beginning. There was no need to exaggerate that with "relentless two hour near catastrophic car chase."

R57, May is a sweeps month.

Meghan is one of the most self-important people, that is quite obvious looking at her on the Netflix series. There is the moment in the hired car when she and Harry are about to dodge paparazzi and the whole thing reads like a bad James Bond movie. She loves it all, rest assured.

R61, how do we know who actually wrote it? At the very least, they approved it.

[quote]Drama is their currency.

Maybe, but we'd definitely prefer it if our currency was $US, and LOTS of it. Until then...

[quote]I think that they aspire to be the Clooneys - he is handsome, independently wealthy and globally famous. She is a globally famous International Lawyer, not unattractive, wears clothes well and is as well connected as it’s possible to be.

Actually, Amal's ascension into global stardom is a testament to the power of PR machinations and not her own accomplishments. For those machinations to work, the client has to be cooperative. Amal cooperated, Meghan did not. Meghan could have had a similar outcome as Amal if she had been cooperative, able to ACT nice and be a team player. She and Amal were both plucked from obscurity with some similarities yet such different outcomes.

Amal was just a junior entertainment lawyer when she was recruited by Clooney's Fixer as damage control after his unfortunate incident with the Italian twink. She was a second chair lawyer in her 30s whose father had made huge donations of cash and equipment to her university thus her law degree. Clooney's PR gave her a makeover and stylist, scrubbed the internet of all info about her except her degree and manufactured a new resume for her that proclaimed she was a Human Rights Lawyer. Human Rights was her new BRAND! PR announces this Human Rights BRAND and the media and entertainment shows parrot it without fact checking and it just becomes gospel. She changes her last name to his last name and suddenly she's world famous. His PR purchases for her meritless Time magazine cover and award (like Meghan) plus other awards and also purchase for her UN Speaking Engagements (like Meghan). In reality, her smoke and mirrors human rights career is just speaking engagements and awards masked as expertise and the gullible public buys it. It is an unearned career but so well packaged and presented by PR that no one questions it!

Meghan was in a similar situation. In her 30s, career hadn't really taken off despite her father's help getting her started. Suddenly she's made world famous not by her own accomplishments but by marrying someone famous and changing her name to his just like Amal. She has all the resources of his PR and plus her own PR at her fingertips (PLUS STYLISTS) yet she is so UNLIKABLE, shabbily presented, manipulative, malicious and uncooperative that neither team of seasoned PR professionals can rebrand her and sell her as a Humanitarian or even as a decent family member, she's just too innately nasty.

Fun FACT: The "Clooneys" were at the Harry and Meghan's wedding because George owed Sunshine Sachs a favor. He used Sunshine Sachs ruthless Fixers (the best in the industry) to bury his mess in Italy with the boy. Same Sunshine Sachs Fixers his old buddy Harvey Weinstein used to intimidate and silence his victims until he was exposed.

[quote] Obviously untrue, considering how chaotic the scene was when they went in and when the left,

Chaotic? On the way in, there was no one anywhere around them besides their security team. Same with on the way out. Megs, Harry, Doria and the security team calmly/easily entered/exited their vehicle. Hardly within the realm of "chaotic".

[quote] how do we know who actually wrote it?

R70 That's what Megs pays a shitload of money to PR firms for. Writing their hyperbolic press releases.

The Scots called it right. From today's The Scottish Daily Express:

[quote] NYPD cop slams Meghan Markle and Prince Harry car chase as 'ridiculous made up drama. Former Big Apple detective Bob Dietl said there are 'cameras on every corner in New York City' and said the story will be 'very easy' to check against the facts

Sep 30, 2022 -- HARRY and Meghan have parted ways with their US-based PR agency, Sunshine Sachs. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex parted ways with the New York firm after their popularity plunged. Meghan has worked with the company since her days as an actress on legal drama Suits and is pals with senior partner Keleigh Thomas Morgan.

Hmm. R72 might be right. This is from a "timeline of the Clooneys' relationship" in Brides magazine.

"[quote]As the E.R. alum explained to David Letterman in January 2018, Amal came to his Lake Como home with a mutual friend, much to the delight of his agent. “I got a call from my agent, who said, 'I met this woman who's coming to your house who you're going to marry,'" George recalled.

The only reason they’re being humiliated—once again!— is because they deliberately drew attention to a non-event that was ridiculously easy to expose as an over-exaggeration and a ham-handed attempt to damn the media and win public approval.

They’ve managed to stay quiet and behave themselves over the past couple months. Didn’t even pull a stunt during the coronation. I thought they might have finally smartened up and realized that clamming up was the only path to professional redemption.

But, nope! Because they are such fucking dummies they had to gin up this stunt after luring the paps to the low rent award ceremony that they (bought) attended. Can’t imagine this drama will raise their coinage among the Hollywood Alist…or B/C lists either.

I’ll give them this: they are endlessly entertaining.

Meghan may not be the Queen of the United Kingdom or the Princess of Wales, or even the Queen of Hearts.

But she sure is the Queen of Drama.

r62 I think the carry on over this farce will mean more people will question the truth of past claims they have made.

R74 So they don't pay their bills? That seems really tacky.

R63 They did. Everyone except Sunny doubted Harry and Meghan's story.

My favorite part of the story is that Harry and Meg were reportedly photographed during the "chase" without seatbelts!!! And that Harry reportedly had his escort cars drive ahead to block traffic, so that his car to run red lights or stop signs to get away from the horrible, awful, paparazzi!!!

What makes it horribly ironic is that his mother died and traumatized him for life, because she the security driver she had at the wheel was shitfaced, and she wasn't wearing a seatbelt, and Harry absolutely REFUSES to believe that her own people were at fault - he blames the paps 100% and dismisses the drunk driver as a factor. And he's developed and obsessive hatred of the press, as a consequence... and it seems his obsessive hatred of the wrong people is now leading him to recreate the dangerous conditions that actually killed poor Diana! He's literally afraid that the paps will kill Meg "llike they killed mum", but HE is the one putting Meg of being killed, while there are paps around.

R81, he regularly talks about the possibility of her dying as if it were the most normal thing in the world to do, which it is not. It’s as if, in some disturbing way, he’s trying to manifest her death.

R81 My favorite part of the story are the photographs of Megz in the Taxi smiling and appearing to joke with Harry because who doesn't have time for some levity when they are scared for their lives.

Don't know if this is true that there are reports Harry is trying to get TMZ to remove a video that shows the couple were not chased that, in fact, their body guard managed to keep most of the paps at bay.

"[R81], he regularly talks about the possibility of her dying as if it were the most normal thing in the world to do, which it is not."

When it comes to the paparazzi he is completely irrational, out of touch with reality, batshit crazy, and lets his Mommy Issues call 100% of the shots! And his obsessive fear that the paps that the paps will kill his wife like they supposedly killed his mother is the nuttiest thing in his book, and is there any better proof that he's projected ALL of his mommy issues onto his wife?

But the absolute craziest thing is that here he is denying the conditions that killed his mother, and re-creating them. I read his idiotic book, and believe me, that guy is so monumentally messed up that I couldn't even begin to play armchair psychologist with him.

It’s only a “chase” to the extent H&M tried to get away from the paps who were no doubt fully expected since this was an event on their public schedule. Their drivers tried to get away and to block the paps. If the Sussexes were actually concerned about public safety, they would have let the paps take their pics. It’s not like they were on a secret national security mission.

With the Montecito Markles, we haven't had this level of assholery and douchebaggery in ages. They are mondo beyondo.

Is not Backgrid, the employer of at least four of the paparazzi, the agency Meg calls to tell them where she’ll be so they can take photos - which if she approves Backgrid can then sell?

My guess is that she set it all up in an effort to boost their chances for protection in the UK and of course, for the attention. As for their “near catastrophic” statement, if and when they “clarify” the story having been shown to be fabulists, you can bet it’ll be the spokesperson’s fault, not that of the Duke and Duchess of Deceit.

Markle will have her own talk show.

R89 she won’t. Meghan cannot do unscripted. She is good at giving prepared speeches but cannot function off the cuff as evidenced by her embarrassing performance during her royal engagements.

They claim this "car chase" was risking a catastophic event,How about you pull over and don't risk the lives of inoccent pedestrians and fellow motorists.Speeding around to avoid paps when you have just been posing up a storm is crap, Photos of Diana back in the day were worth a fortune,sadsack and his missus not so much.

R90 And her podcast which was one large clapback with guest as background fodder

“Just like Mum… JUST LIKE MUM!”

They need to move to Monaco where the ruling family would keep the paps at bay. No paparazzi allowed. Monaco is a real monarchy.

Scobi releases photo verifying 2 hr 80 mph chase thru streets of Manhattan!

R89 Sorry.. Willy & Kate beat them to it.

No. Because you know you just pulled it out of your fat arse . Try harder and thinner R84.

R87 "They are mondo beyondo."

English please don't speak fat frau.

They don't have the money for Monaco.

This whole shitshow was directed by the Markles so Harry can get back his IPP status from the Home Office and Meghan Smollett can cruise around like she's the Queen of Sheba in motorcades while the hoi polloi throw flowers on her.

I bet the BRF is greatly relieved they don't have any more big events to worry about inviting Harry to. Now they can go back to their very privileged lives and watch the Sussex disaster play out from afar.

Somebody on Twitter pointed out that this is terrible publicity for WME. It looks like they were behind this failed attempt to portray the Little Prince as the world's greatest victim. I bet WME is pissed. This must have been a Markle special. The woman's got a screw loose.

For the Harkles:

#TruthHertz

r97 Actually no they didn't. Statement made by backgrid in linked tweet

They tried to intimidate Backgrid

Omid Scobie tells ABC News he was "really shocked" to hear from sources "that neither Harry nor Meghan had heard from any members of the royal family" regarding what their spokesperson called a "near catastrophic car chase."

Gurl, STFU.

That was a stupid lie, easy to expose. Not worthy of them!

Lordy, don’t give Okra any ideas, r89. Rachel Ray is retiring her show. There’s an hour of hausfrau tv that needs filling and the Queen of Daytime Past 👑👏desperately needs a Win/frey on a network that she doesn’t OWN. 😈

[quote]That was a stupid lie, easy to expose. Not worthy of them!

R107. It's exactly them.

r105 They don't want the inconsequential and exaggerated nature of the incident to become unquestionably verified in public. The Harkles or rather the Dumbarton have really overplay their hand and opened a Pandora box for themselves.

I'm not so sure Meghan is the one behind this... this sounds more like Harry and his paranoia with anything he can't control regarding the press. I don't think she's any more narcissistic than your average actress. Harry, on the other hand, seems to instigate her or call her attention to things she would not otherwise pay attention to. For example, in his book, he talked about how at the beginning of their relationship Meghan was not reading the tabloids and was generally unaware of what they were saying about her. He wrote that he had to point out to her how evil the tabloids were and how what they were doing this because she was biracial. I don't think it ever occurred to her. Similarly, it was Harry who related to her a probably innocuous comment about what their baby would look like made by a member of his family, and added a racial component to a pretty normal thing people wonder about.

R89 She well might. Won’t run for many seasons, though.

[quote] Omid Scobie tells ABC News he was "really shocked" to hear from sources "that neither Harry nor Meghan had heard from any members of the royal family" regarding what their spokesperson called a "near catastrophic car chase." Gurl, STFU.

PinocchiOmid

r106 I was really shocked when Harry and Meghan publicly committed elder abuse on his elderly grandparents. Was Omid really shocked and outraged at that too?

If anything ever happens to Harry or Meghan, Charles will have blood on his hands for taking away their security.

If they insist on driving around for hours like maniacs while not wearing any restraints then, quite frankly, they deserve what they get. Charles is not responsible for their ridiculous antics.

Harry wrote an inflammatory book about this family and it's clear they aren't speaking. Neither Harry nor Meghan was hurt or even in danger of being hurt during this silly non-event. Why would Charles or William call?

Omid is desperately trying to spin the Smolletts out of their bullshit.

OH GOD ONCE AGAIN THE RACIST BRF REFUSES TO ASK IF MEGGY IS OKAY

If I were Harry, I wouldn't want to talk to that pompous ass William. It is so clear that William has turned out to be like Charles, whereas Harry is like his beloved mother, Diana.

r115 This is a really emotionally stunted thing to say.

Judging by the pics the paps got of La Markle beaming her head off at all the attention in the taxi, I think she's OK.

[quote] If anything ever happens to Harry or Meghan, Charles will have blood on his hands for taking away their security.

No, R115. If “anything happens” the responsibility will lie squarely upon themselves. The Harkles COURT disaster. It’s as if they are willing it upon themselves.

They ADORE the drama, headlines, paps, publicity and playing the victim. They may very well become victims at their own hands.

An over-70-year-old man is not responsible for a drug taking, paranoid, publicity-seeking 40ish-year-old couple who CHOSE to move abroad to a country with a known history of violence.

Their choice. Their consequence.

Rupert Pupkin, aka The King of Comedy, has a better chance of getting a talk show, r112.

If Harry and Meg die in a car accident it's all Charles' fault for not strapping them into their car seats.

I don't understand why Harry keeps putting himself out there for publicity if he hates press. You can't be a celeb and not court the press, any more than you can be a working royal and not court the press. Why doesn't he take the millions he got from his book and retire to a lovely private life in Montecito?

So telling the pic of the 3 of them sitting in the backseat of the cab with no seat belts. Markle absolutely delighted and her Ma busy checking out her phone. Yeah, they were terrified.

Charles didn't take away their security, it's up to the Home Office.. They moved to another continent, Why should British taxpayers pay for security in the USA? Why should Me police officers be forced to live in another country?

This whole episode stinks to high heaven of Hawwy trying to influence his court case in the UK to get his IPP status and all the goodies that come with it back. Fuck him.

What a story! Everything but the bloodhounds snappin’ at their rear ends.

Jan Moir - The Da1ly Ma1l

I feel like this is the Harry and Meghan story that has finally broken me. It is just never going to stop, is it? The entire world is forever going to be punished for what they see as the fault lines in their lives.

What a story! Everything but the bloodhounds snappin’ at their rear ends.

[quote] I don't understand why Harry keeps putting himself out there for publicity if he hates press. You can't be a celeb and not court the press, any more than you can be a working royal and not court the press. Why doesn't he take the millions he got from his book and retire to a lovely private life in Montecito?

Because he’s delusional. He wants the Sleb Adoration, Attention and Glam on his own terms: when he wants it and to craft the narrative that he wants only.

When photos, headlines or press don’t go his way, he acts like a tantruming toddler and wants to force the narrative favourably by forcing those that surround him.

Basically his ego and demands are ginormous and delusional.

Sounds as if he is quite mentally ill. And he is aided and abetted by his dark-triad-narcissist of a wife.

A toxic, and potentially deadly, combo.

R126 he doesn’t have the retirement money.

Bullshit R115. They are two grown-ass parents of two who made the decision to live as private citizens. That they are estranged from both sides of the family is their doing. No one owes them anything.

R128 - Thanks for your comment. The average person has no understanding of what went down when the Sussexes resigned as Working Royals.

The only that will save Harry is he comes out as bi, divorces her, finds a nice bloke (muscular, ex-military), moves to a remote castle in Scotland, and disappears.

Man who boasted about killing 25 Taliban militants, shits his pants during NYC taxi ride.

Whenever I hear "Harkles" I know it's coming from a rabid anti Meghan, Camilla loving cunt eater.

[quote] Whenever I hear "Harkles" I know it's coming from a rabid anti Meghan, Camilla loving cunt eater.

Whenever a post like R139’s is made, it’s clear the poster (aka R139) is functioning with minimal to few (aka 1 or 2) brain cells.

You hear things on DL? That’s a gift.

If you do, and don’t like what you hear, why does it concern you to the extent you felt moved to comment?

Oops. CNN just did a segment on the incident where the footage they have is reviewed. 13 lights ran by paps. Pavement mounted by paps. Car surrounded then slowed down by paps. Suvs used had tinted windows and concealed plates. Investigation has now been opened by NYPD.

Charles and Camilla made comment on disaster overseas on Instagram. Had to close comments as overwhelmed by negative comments calling them shit Parents. That's not a good sign.

Meghan Markle is a WHORE with a HUGE anus!!!!

Where are the pictures of them in the back of the car?

Meghan Markle is a WHORE who married a HUGE anus!!!

Yes R142 they have the skid marks to prove it. On Harry’s shorts.

R126 He doesn't hate the press , he hates that he's not top of the food chain in an authoritarian country where he can just ban any coverage he doesn't like .

With Backgrid pissed at them, maybe some intrepid reporter can spill the beans on the underhanded PR practices of the Duke & Duchess of Hertz.

Backgrid: Fuck you Harry

Meghan alienating Backgrid's gonna hurt. Who's she gonna call when she wants to get her pic in the tabs when Kate does something newsworthy?

Per TMZ:

Harry and Meghan's legal team fired off a letter to the Backgrid photo agency, claiming in part they need the agency's footage of the "chase" to shore up their own security, adding ... "We hereby demand that Backgrid immediately provide us with copies of all photos, videos, and/or films taken last night by the freelance photographers after the couple left their event and over the next several hours."

Backgrid's lawyer has rejected the Sussex's demand, saying in a letter ... "In America, as I'm sure you know, property belongs to the owner of it: Third parties cannot just demand it be given to them, as perhaps Kings can do. Perhaps you should sit down with your client and advise them that his English rules of royal prerogative to demand that the citizenry hand over their property to the Crown were rejected by this country long ago. We stand by our founding fathers.

Backgrid 1 Harry 0

How many millions is Harry wasting on ambulance chasers? Hell, I bet he can't drive by a single bus stop without noting down the phone number of another lawyer.

Witnesses are now coming forward including security guards to state that paps hit six parked cars before the pap chase occurred. This contradicts NYPD mayor but the witnesses are going to make legal statements to verify.

R143, Charles is head of state, it's diplomatic protocol for heads of state to issue statements of sorrow and solidarity when such disasters happen. Harry and Meghan riling up their hysterical, lunatic fans and turning them against his father is potentially damaging to Britain's diplomatic relations. Harry is a liability and an arrogant one at that, who doesn't care how much damage he causes to other people and countries, his own country included.

Oh lord, R124– don’t give them any more lamebrained ideas….kidnapping a la Rupert Pupkin?!

R155 sure they are. After TMZ totally ridiculed the Duke and Duchess of Smollett. They're royally fucked now.

Pulling that stunt "we DEMAND that you hand over.." Harry's already on a potentially slippery slope having lied about his drug use on his visa application. He may find it a good idea to move to Botswana. But no way would la Markle accompany him.

What's next for Meghan now that this scheme didn't work out the way she had hoped?

Miscarriage, suicidal, racism, Kate getting first pick on the color of the dresses to be seen in. None of that gained her the sympathy she desired. Now a near catastrophic car chase ala Diana.

What will she think of next? A home invasion? A stalker? A divorce?

What will it take for people to feel sorry for this creature?

She already had a stalker simultaneous to the reenactment of the French Connection car chase. Some poor guy got a citizen's arrest by some goon working for them because he had the chutzpah to be outside their gate. Hope he sues.

R142, r155…so confident in your trolling. Bravo.

Am I the only one who thinks the taxi driver is hot?

Don't be mean R162, Meghan's troll farm's having a hard time dealing with the ridicule.

r155 Link please?

DADDY WHY WONT YOU CALL ME, EVEN THOUGH I SHARE MY EVERY MOVE WITH THE PRESS???

The lack of personal contact, as well as Buckingham Palace’s refusal to publicly acknowledge or comment on the incident, is understood to have frustrated the couple, who friends suggested may have hoped to garner more support, particularly on a personal level.

Considering he is of more interest in the UK, no paps followed him on his in and out visit,Nor did they in the weeks the two of them were in the UK before and after the Queen's death,Now we have this dramatic car chase,. Let me guess, it was all William;s fault,

From "The Telegraph Article" linked by R166:

[quote] The couple’s team were so shaken that they stayed up all night, monitoring news sites to see which images were published and by whom.

Do you think they were on The Data Lounge? LOL

R168 well since no one heard about it until their press release...

Scobie releases more footage verifying catastrophic chase thru NYC!

Sussex Source: Doria was absolutely terrified!

Taxi Pic: Doria looks bored.

This really backfired. How will Meghan ever come back? How will anybody ever believe anything these two say in the future?

R167 Well Willy hasn't been seen publicly in a week. Pulled his sphincter?

Charles has been expertly greyrocking them for a long time now.

They are done. This is all just so tacky. What even is a 'taxi'?

Doria took a catnap.

R128 - Prince Charles did NOT cut off Harry’s security. This falsehood needs to be put to rest once and for all. The “governments” of the UK and Commonwealth countries made this decision as Harry would not be visiting or staying in their countries on official “Royal” business as they no longer worked for the firm.

What Charles did do was cut off his financial assistance and/or annual allowance which left him unable to finance his own security or pay rent at the time. This is when Tyler Perry got involved which is a story for another post. Harry is now funding his own security in the US. However, he wants “Royal Protection” 24-7 whenever he visits the UK and has offered to pay for this. The “Royal Protection” providers have said “no” to this request. Harry filed a lawsuit because he disagreed with the decision the “Royal Protection” providers made.

All full-time “Working British Royals” have security 24-7 in one form or another. Part-time “Working British Royals” have security whenever they are working for the duration of a particular engagement only. I assume this includes the transportation with proper security to and from the engagement and their home.

Andrew: This is where it gets hairy and to some degree smelly. When Andrew got the axe, his security was pulled. However, QEII privately paid for Andrew to continue to have 24-7 Royal Personal Perfection. I believe the reason for this was not to the keep public away from Andrew but to keep Andrew away from undesirables (book publishers, journalists, oligarchs,…etc…etc). The Royal Personal Protection Officer was basically a combination of a minder, babysitter, spy reporting back to the palace and companion. Andrew’s daughters do not rate “Royal Protection”, but Andrew paid privately for them to have it when they are in the UK. QEII increased his annual allowance to cover this expense so actually QEII was paying for Beatrice & Eugenie’s UK “Personal Royal Protection”.

Windsor Castle and Windsor Great Park, which is where Royal Lodge and Frogmore cottage are located, have their own security force just like Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace. Providing security for Royal Lodge and Frogmore Cottage is not an issue as security is already there and paid for in full.

Anne: This really does not smell too bad. Anne owns the Gatcombe Park Estate in Gloucestershire 100%. Gatcombe Park is a working estate. It is her private property purchased for her by QEII at the time of her first marriage to Mark Phillips. An agreement was reached with the government to provide security for the WHOLE estate (plus Anne, her spouse and her children until they completed university) before it was purchased for Anne. This agreement is still in effect. The estate includes Anne’s large country house, at least three good sized manor houses and numerous normal houses and/or cottages. Zara lives on the estate in one of the manor houses as it allows her to have 24-7 security as long as she is physically on the estate. If she gets in her car and drives to a pub she is basically on her own. Zara has given this explanation in at least two interviews as to why she and Mike Tyndall sold their house and moved to Gatcombe Park.

Again, Charles did not “cut off” Harry’s security. The Royal Personal Protection Security was cut off because the Sussexes were no longer Full-time Working Royals and no longer living in and/or on a Royal Property. Like Zara, the Sussexes have Royal Security when in residence at Frogmore Cottage but if they get into a car and drive over to one of their personal charities to make a visit, they do not have Royal Personal Protection Security unless they are on official business for the crown.

[quote]She is good at giving prepared speeches

Listening the first few minutes of any episode of "Archetypes" will quickly convince you otherwise...

The pic of Meghan in the taxi-- she has her typical smug "cat who ate the canary" smile. Harry is videotaping (what exactly?) and Doria looks stoned/asleep.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Megyn Kelly on New Information Proving Harry and Meghan Were Lying About Paparazzi "Car Chase"

And don't miss reading the brilliant writer Maureen Callahan's savage takedown of Meghan Markle in the link in R180.

r142 r155 are lying, don't fall for their trolling

I like the taxi driver

One of H&M's SUVs was actually the one driving recklessly. LMAO

I was nearly MURDERED JUST LIKE MUMMY and Will hasnt called me!!!!

I can't believe Scobie can say with a straight face that he isn't a Sussex mouthpiece.

R182 Sounds exactly like the same nutter telling us that Interpol and the FBI would soon be knocking on the door because we dared to diss Queen Meg. Somehow she knew…

The subject changes but the style’s the same. At least she recycles.

R196 Jesus. What happened to the poor cunts face?

I can't believe Scobie can say ANYTHING with that uber-frozen Botox face.

Her hair has taken on a life of its own.

William is a Charles clone, Diana would be so disappointed in how he turned out.

[quote]This was leading on the 6:30 US CBS news last night.

It led on all networks. Somebody obviously backed up a dump truck full of cash at Reuters.

Yow, that Maureen Callahan piece is the most brutal takedown of Meghan I've read to date. Not to mention of Ms. magazine and old Glo herself.

Does Meghan's new agency cringe at this? They can't be stupid people, do they roll their eyes at her and Harry's antics and just console themselves with the thought of money to be made? At some point they have to think about reputation, no?

R142 and R155 you sound very much like that loon who used to post that all our IP addresses were being tracked, authorities have been warned, black Twitter is blowing up and it’s internet-wide. Right down to the short, vague sentences and investigations opened (in this case by NYPD).

Welcome back crazy!

That dress was hideous. Gold with cut outs....

Markle has been markled!!! hahahahahaha

[quote]George and Amal Clooney turn out to support King Charles's charity event

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have reportedly been close with George and Amal Clooney for years - even inviting them to their wedding - but the Hollywood couple have shown support for King Charles

The couple attended Prince Harry's wedding to Meghan Markle in 2018 in Windsor, even though they later reportedly admitted they 'didn't know' the royals well at the time.

But at some point along the line they became firm friends with Amal among the select group of friends at Meghan's baby shower in New York a year later - although it's unclear how close the foursome still are today.

The Scobie book "Finding Freedom" was not bad. Scobie is not the 100% Sussex mouthpiece as he is accused of being by many. However, if a news program, TV chat show or podcast wants a guest panelist that is not anti-Sussex (like 99% of the writers for The Daily Fail) then Scobie is the go-to journalist. These type of media guests are few and far between so Scobie sorta has the market cornered and I am sure he names his price. Scobie reminds me of Erin Vanderhoof, who writes for Vanity Fair covering Royals.

Saying Scobie and Vanderhoof are 100% "pro-Sussex" is definitely stretching it. I would say it is more of not being 100% anti-Sussex. The reason Scobie seems 100% "pro-Sussex" is because the journalist he is compared to are pure & complete Sussex hates such as Dan Wootton and Piers Morgan.

Anyone would seem 100% "pro-Sussex" compared to Dan Wootton and Piers Morgan.

No one cared about the award show. Royal watchers barely even talked about it. I don't even know if it was mentioned here on DL because I didn't look.

Since no one cared, the next morning they had to release a statement to the press that they were in a NEAR CATASTROPHIC car chase. No one was reporting on it. It wasn't an actual event that became organic news. It was them announcing it and making it news.

I hope they eventually find true peace and happiness with themselves, but this isn't it.

R196 - I am sure it is possible to be friends with both KCIII and the Sussexes. The Clooney's are experts at this type of things. I have no doubt the Clooney's have a beneficial relationship with both the Sussexes and KCIII. Also, Charles is NOT the Harry hater; William "Peggington" Wales is.

Amal wants an OBE and possibly a Damehood and both the Clooneys want their son to attend Eton so throwing money at Charles's charities and lending a celebrity presence to this type of Royal "do" is not a bad idea.

Footnote: Also, Charles is NOT the Harry hater; William "Peggington" Wales is the Harry hater.

R199 Nobody hates Harry. We just find his mental antics tiresome.

Is that so R191? Seeing that she has been worm food for 25 years, you know this how?

When George Clooney and Amal showed up at Harry's wedding, they were asked how they knew him. They said they'd never met either of them. Amal does know Charles though and has been connected with the Prince's Trust.

R200 - William definitely HATES Harry. I feel safe & confident making this statement.

R203 Are you his friend?

They're asking backgrid to hand over the footage - Backgrid show up if you call ahead and ask for them, so this was completely engineered by Harry and Meghan for attention.

Now who's going to take her pap photos for her?

R199 are you typing from Occupational Therapy on the Psych Ward??

So what if William really hates Harry? What does that have to do with the stunt these two slags tried to pull off, R203?

I hate my sister and she never wrote a book slagging me off, never gave TV interviews insulting me.

Well done on “Peggington”, R199! I knew that you’d find some new material eventually!

Has “Peggington” been taken up internet-wide, yet?

Just for fun I checked R142 / R155’s posting history (with the help of MI6, Mossad and FBI, R142/R155) - it’s the good old “IP addresses are being monitored” nutcase.

R129 - This is not particularly directed to you R129 but I spoke friend of mine who is retired from the US State Department.

My friend said that just because your home country designates you with IPP Status does not mean that it will be recognized by the USA and protocols granted or mandated via the Federal government. No doubt IPP Status would be a big benefit to Harry when he is in the UK or other Commonwealth Countries but I do not think it would do him much good (on a US Federal level) or give him any additional benefits in the USA.

R211 if they make it to Australia again the only thing that they’d need to be protected from would be laughter at their ridiculousness.

R199 needs to run off to the nether regions of the internets and get the Peggington movement started, as such brilliance is wasted here.

Hurry on now. #DumbPrinceAndHisStupidWife has been trending so you have your work cut out for you.

I swear you Klan Kkkunts get paid by the post.

R197/R199/r214 is the resident Sussex Squaddie. We're not interested in what you have to sell.

I have to say I feel a lot of sympathy for Meghan's troll farm today.

What is Klan Kkkunts-ish about calling them out on their delusional behavior which is being called out everywhere because of this latest stunt R214?

KGT is either block evading or has multiple sockpuppets on here. Her crazed syntax is very recognizable.

There were multiple threads consisting solely of her and three other posters (most likely her talking to herself using her sockpuppets) endlessly fat shaming members of One Direction and Lewis Capaldi and their girlfriend's.

I find this hilarious because I'm pretty sure KGT is the exact opposite of a minnow herself.

She is to The Duchess Rachel Meghan Markle Giuliano Engleson Mountbatten-Windsor of Sussex what Kat Tenbarge is to Amber Heard. Desperate to lick the pussy of her object of psychotic obsession.

[quote]The pic of Meghan in the taxi-- she has her typical smug "cat who ate the canary" smile.

Yes, r179; also known as [italic]the duper's smirk.

R213 - As I have been told many times, sometimes not very nicely, this is DL and you call anybody anything you want to call them.

Please use catastrophic in a sentence…

I was fighting in Nam and to stay alive we had to drink the local water and eat dog, each time that combo caused me to take a catastrophic dump in the jungles of Nam.

R215 - I am NOT pro-Sussex but neither am I anti-Sussex. I am NOT pro-Wales neither am I anti-Wales.

You realize that even though this may be PR fiasco for the Harkle's it doesn't make you psycho Fraus any less crazy?

Do you work in the legitimate theater R222?

La Markle's insane homophobic obese old black lady fanclub thinks if they can just get rid of Kate Middleton, la Markle will be KWEEN.

R207 - Absolutely NOTHING. I am just engaging in the typical DL conversation. This thread and last one (Part I) would thread jacked long ago. My point is the Clooneys associated with both KCIII and Harry is not a problem because KCIII does not hate Harry.

FYI: I did not not post comment R196. Lizzy Cundy posted comment R196.

The Clooneys don't associate with Harry. No A listers associate with Meghan and Harry. Only TV people or has-beens. They're B- list which is a big improvement on Meghan's former D list status.

This is how Meghan gets what she wants.

What is IPP? Important Protected Person?

R228 We rest our case. 24/7 toll free Klan.

R227 "TV people and has-beens . My sides😁

[quote] I am NOT pro-Sussex but neither am I anti-Sussex. I am NOT pro-Wales neither am I anti-Wales.

I think you are the perfect candidate to sponsor the 2024 Presidential Candidate Debates.

I cannot believe how much attention this is getting. The BBC was actually presenting a timeline against a street map of NYC. Doesn’t anyone think this is a bit much?

I heard the BBC’s Royal Correspondent, Alex Wichell (?), say yesterday that this was questionable and I thought, “People are not going to rest until these two are dead.” It really is open season on these two.

I read a comment where someone said “I was on a flight with turbulence. It was almost catastrophic.” 😂

HG Tudor posted some video. Lol.

r229 Internationally protected person. A rare status that by diplomatic international convention means they get top security and accomodation provided for them in whatever country they are visiting.

I can’t believe the network news led with this story. That’s really embarrassing. Now it’s even worse because the story was overblown. These two are so polarizing, they really need to back off for several months. I don’t think Harry is strong mentally.

Some social media speculation that Megs is having or had an affair with Chris Sanchez, the bodyguard.

R233, no one wants them dead—they’re guaranteed click-bait.

If they've lost Whoppi they've LOST.

Deranger Fumigant extra strength...

Some fat ugly psycho shite spewing Klan Grannies fantasize that Megs is having or had an affair with Chris Sanchez, the bodyguard.

Fixed for the nut that is R237

It doesn’t look like any of them were wearing seatbelts, which is generally useful in catastrophic car chases.

The same haters said the same things about Diana. We know how that turn out.

The haters didn’t kill Diana, R243 - she did a good enough job herself, by getting into a car with a drunk driver and not wearing a seatbelt.

25 years ago - maybe it’s time to let it go and move on.

r238 Apparently Twitters latest conspiracy is that the paparazzi in this case are some ultra extreme Meghan hating contingent especially trained by the tabloids to take them out on behalf of Charles and Camilla and they were heard repeatedly mentioning this loudly on the night.

Before the coronation, I watched a documentary “The Queen at 90”. It is amazing to see how happy Prince Harry seems, affectionate words and interaction with /about his grandparents and Prince William, his pride in serving the Queen. He seems like a different person altogether, happy, well adjusted and positive . It is obvious that Meghan brought him down completely , feeding his insecurities and resentments that used to be in check .

Poor Harry currently reminds me of the Professor in “The Blue Angel”

"She so badly wants to be the Queen of Hearts. But, as she arrived on Tuesday night, making her grand entrance in Midtown Manhattan, sauntering past that rental-car backdrop, it was more like the Queen of Hertz."

R247 haters : You'll never have a man look at you like this and it drives you batshit crazy. No mystery heifers.😂

R248 Yeah he looks like he's in hell.

r248 Honestly? He looks like he's about to squeal "I HAVE THE EXACT SAME DRESS!"

[quote] The same haters said the same things about Diana. We know how that turn out.

The "haters" didn't hire Dodi's new chauffeur

Did the daring duo make it back to California without something catastrophic happening to them???

R250 We see you Tiny. You're all on the same diet. Chow down.

Oh good the good the AI art guy is back His 4 free credits for the week must have come in.

KGT/SSG (Klan Granny Troll, Sussex Squad Granny) is back with the lame pictures and memes.

R255 Meghan is so jealous of you Tiny.

Thanks for the free rent in your empty heads .

OP Sorry but it doesn't come in a size 38.

R246 They weren’t “in check.” The palace previously protected Harry.

What amused me was that they were delayed during their shocking ordeal by a big old stinky NYC garbage truck blocking the street.

Can you imagine Madame seething as the garbagemen took their damn time throwing bag after bag on the truck?

Maybe Harry filmed that too for Netflix.

R259 Yup the Palace PR machine managed to make Harry into the fun-loving, 'war hero' prince. It was only after marring Meghan that he heavily pushed back against the Palace machinery to reveal what a sad and weaselly man he really is. What I find hilarious is that he's continuously alleges that the Palace would leak positive stories about William and negative ones about him (which is bullshit), yet he is clearly so far up his own ass about his supposed victimhood he forgets that before Meghan, while he was under the wing of the Palace, he was the most popular member of the royal family next to the late Queen. That didn't happen because the Palace was leaking negative stories about him.

Actually that's an interesting point. As much as Harry thinks the press has always been public enemy #1. He's also always been protected by the fact the majority of the British press is royalist and play along with the great game of "have your press department provide us with enough material to sell news and we'll only follow you at agreed times". Given covid and everything. Was this his first time meeting a press core in the wild?

Douglas Murray: Sorry, Harry and Meghan, The Lies Don't Fly in NYC

This is hilarious. "Excuse me, what does Meghan actually [italic]do[/italic]?"

Their story has a whole in it big enough to drive a car through.

Cry, Klan Grannies, cry. Meghan is a thousand times richer than you broke hoes will ever be.

We can't cry, r266. We're laughing too hard.

We might cry with laughter, though, if that makes you feel any better. You know, the way you do when something is so funny that you're laughing uncontrollably and you can't stop? Like that.

No HARRY is richer than we will ever be. He's the one that got Diana inheritance and cashed in on complaining about his family. Meghan is an actress from cable drama who married well. Until the divorce its 95% his money.

Piers Morgan picks apart Harry and Meghan's 'incredibly dramatic' car chase story.

Sounds like there were no celebrities at the award ceremony, doesn't sound very prestigious to me.

Dan Wooton is calling the stunt a "Fairytale in New York", which made me laugh out loud.

Does anyone else suspect both Harry and his wife are extremely jealous of William and Kate? I think jealousy is part of the reason for all the dysfunction.

Y'think?! ^^^^

The paparazzi photographers work for Back-fat Photos?

Amirite?!?

To quote the Pet Shop Boys, Harry is "living in a satellite fantasy, wondering who's your friend".

Ummm, yes, r272, I think that's a pretty safe bet.

Their jumping into that cab absolutely shows that in reality, they do not feel in danger. That cab driver could have been ANYONE. Also, they we're not wearing seatbelts, so they were clearly not remotely scared they might crash.

They want the Int'ly Protected Person status because it affords visual confirmation that they are SUPER IMPORTANT, and perhaps because it affords other things, such as ultra-luxurious places to stay while travelling, paid for by the taxpayer, and Diplomatic Immunity wherever they go.

It's all about their ego. If it were because of fears for their own security, the comedy ride in the yellow taxi would never, ever, ever have happened.

[quote] Does anyone else suspect both Harry and his wife are extremely jealous of William and Kate?

If this was 500 years ago Harry by now would have raised an army to seize the throne and faced the consequences of treason.

I guess when Kate’s title was raised to Princess of Wales poor old Megz must have been apoplectic at Kate getting the title of her idol.

R267 "crying with laughter"

r272, Harry wrote at length about how jealous he was of William, specifying that William and Kate's apartment at Kensington Palace made the Harkles seethe with jealousy.

You know, the way you do when something is so funny that you're laughing uncontrollably and you can't stop? Like that.

Yeh we've seen your recital R267

r282 is positively SEETHING WITH FURY that everyone around the world is laughing at Harry and Meghan - and at their demented fans.

It's utterly delicious to behold.

Can you blame Harry & Meghan for being jealous of these winners?😂

Face it, R282 and the rest of the unhinged Sewage Squad - you’ve backed a couple of absolutely fucking idiotic losers. Coming so soon after the Coronation, I’m amazed that any of you can still function.

Seethe, Megstan at r284. Seethe. It's nearly as enjoyable as watching Harry and Meghan get relentlessly mocked for their lies.

Keep going. We love it.

Here's my theory for why Harry is angrily demanding that Brackgrid turn over their film, and Backgrid gave him a snarky public reply, even though Backgrid has cooperated with their staged photos in the past:

Before the NYC event, someone on Team Harkle called Backgrid and asked for paps to be outside the event and to follow the car, thinking that it'd make the Harkles look popular, and maybe help Harry's latest security-related court case. This person did not tell Harry, because Harry would have forbade it, because he has a batshit crazy fear of paps. And when Harry saw that his car was being followed by several paps, he freaked out and demanded that his security team drive like it was a terrorist attack. Now I ask you.. would anyone on Team Harkle call in Backgrid on wheels, without clearing it with Meg???

Which if true, would leave Backgrid in the hilarious position of being the target of being both the target of Harry's righteous anger, and holding ALL the cards. At least on Meghan, because if Harry ever came to believe that she was calling the paps behind his back that marriage would be over. But of course, making him believe that would be a bit of a struggle, because what Harry believes is... unusual. Like, drunk drivers aren't at all dangerous, he believes that.

^^You have a point, as much as I could follow. And yes, they are both major arseholes.

You full figured gals almost have it right  but not the complete picture. You must use all your God given critical thinking skills. Of which you have so many. To realize there are no real Meghan Stans paid or otherwise. These posters are probably victims of demonic human trafficking. Sold by their parents to Harkle minions. Obviously minority females from the ghettos of Montecito. These children are whisked away in black panel vans unmarked except for the Biden 24 bumper sticker. Taken to the basement of Oprah Winfrey's satanic mansion these kids have an AI chip implanted into their cerebral cortex by Dr Fauci. The children then become Megbots. Their sole purpose in life to populate woke troll farms in SFO and Seattle and make internet posts praising Harold & Maggot 24/7. They are not allowed to have bathroom breaks and they are fed on an intravenous drip of Bud Light. As you might expect these poor creatures lives are tragically brief. Thank the Lord you truth-tellers have figured it all out. Can't fool you canny birds.

Very possible, r287.

R289 Fucking crazy cunt.

And, they are so over now. Like the trannys, they have over played their hand, and now everyone has had enough.

You have a point R289 as much as I can follow. I'll review again when I've taken my meds. If I can find them.

^ They're in the fridge under the 12 gallon tub of Rocky Road hon.

It's delightful watching the Sussex Squad spinning out, such as at r289.

They know that the Harkles have made a career*-ending mistake here and are seething over that fact.

*I say "career", although I acknowledge that it's debatable whether whining and lying can truly constitute an actual "career"

^ Could care less about the ridiculous BRF. We just like to troll mentally ill fat chicks with smelly cooters.😂

Thanks R289 - but my critical thinking skills aren’t “God given”. That’s because I’ve used them to show that “God” doesn’t exist in my world.

So, fuck right off you bible bashing cunt.

R296 you’re one of those fucking stupid people who say “could care less” when what you actually mean is “couldn’t care less”. Ridiculous or not, the BRF has had a fairly good education and would understand the difference between the two.

Unlike you.

The Sussex Squad are not exactly renowned for having high IQs, r298

Whore! Whore! Whore! How would you fuck it? How would you suck it? Whore! Whore! Whore!

Listen, I may be critical of Meghan but I have NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that she is very experienced and skilled in sucking and fucking. It's the only thing she really does (an you think of anything else? She 'does' nothing in terms of work).

Can't take her sucking and fucking away from her. She is nothing if not a Grade-A whore.

[quote]Before the coronation, I watched a documentary “The Queen at 90”. It is amazing to see how happy Prince Harry seems, affectionate words and interaction with /about his grandparents and Prince William, his pride in serving the Queen.

I remember thinking that too when I watched a documentary (surprisingly interesting) about Prince Charles; Haz seemed so enthusiastic about his father, while William was quieter, more circumspect. But then that's the way it is dealing with very emotional people: they love you one minute & hate your guts the next.

I suppose a lot of the British press coverage of this events reflects feelings of vindication on their part - the shit they pulled on us & they're now pulling on the Americans. HA HA! And also a feeling that you've finally caught a chronic liar in a blatant whopper & you're going to nail them over this one!

Here is the documentary referred to above. It really is very touching, and very entertaining.

Why do the stunt-hos’ fans bother posting? It’s a lost cause when the replies - as they always seem to be, here and elsewhere - are so overwhelmingly negative for the Harkles. Like Harry and Meg, they’re masters in mis-reading the room. Every time they comment they get blown off. The replies here are about 20 to 1 against them, mirroring all the polling: their idols are beyond parody and by now they’re an international embarrassment.

You’re losing these battles, ladies. Just like H&M.

r304, Some of them are paid (by Christopher Bouzy), some just hate gays and love coming here (from LSA and Celebitchy) to call us "faggots".

What - silence?! I was expecting some Bouzy employee/ Megstan to post some bit of foulness, as they usually do. A gif of a gaping vagina, or of a scene from the Exorcist, or of anything they think will be abhorrant to gay men. That's what they usually do. But they haven't this time.

Have we finally silenced the paid Bouzyite hoarde?

But, more importantly, how big is Harry’s cock?

R307, I’ve had bigger.

Darling, no gay man wonders how big Harry's cock is. He's already told us that he's a bottom and that it is tiny by his subbing to someone as scummy and lowlife as Meghan.

Tiny Todger Harry.

[quote]Is not Backgrid, the employer of at least four of the paparazzi, the agency Meg calls to tell them where she’ll be so they can take photos - which if she approves Backgrid can then sell?

The comments about Backgrid being hired by Meghan were the same thing you see on all social media about all celebrities: "They had to call Backgrid themselves" kinds of things. Then there was some conspiracy theory about her hiring Backgrid to pretend to stalk her for the documentary, and those same people said the same thing about this incident.

Backgrid wouldn't hire themselves out knowing they were going to be shown in a film and also written up in the press as being irresponsible and dangerous. That just doesn't make any sense. They would lose business that way.

Meghan is long documented as having worked with Backgrid in her Suits days.

Also, Backgrid are going to show up wherever they can make money. End of story.

Meghan likes to play on Harry's darkest fears. She called backgrid and then pretended to him that they were being "chased".

"Chased" through NYC gridlock? She's evil, but she's dumb. Every New Yorker and well-travelled foreigner can easily call out her stunt.

So all it boils down to is they wanted attention from the Royals, They are bitching through Victoria Ward that the King and William haven't been in touch,No mention of Thomas Markle obviously,There is no way that the palace is going to validate this bullshit and by once again invoking dead Di he is hurting his brother, If he thinks this crap will change the minds of RAVEC and the Met police he is an imbecile,

Pissing off New York City might not have been the best strategy for these two.

[Quote]That dress was hideous. Gold with cut outs....

And you could see the tan lines of whatever sleeveless top she had been wearing at some point in the past!

She was trying to compete with Kate. Meghan is such a fool.

Meghan really is common shopping mall trash.

To think that she and Harry ever thought they could pull off the whole royal gig without the palace machinery choreographing every little detail down to every breath they take is hilarious.

Shouldn’t we have heard a comment from Meg’s stepsister by now?

Bitch can wear a DRESS

[quote] Listen, I may be critical of Meghan but I have NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that she is very experienced and skilled in sucking and fucking. It's the only thing she really does (an you think of anything else? She 'does' nothing in terms of work).

Can't take her sucking and fucking away from her. She is nothing if not a Grade-A whore.

No wonder Muriel deletes these threads.

What is quoted above and the other poster who thinks referring to William as "Peggington" is funny, are justifiable reasons to do so.

And they ruin these threads for the adults here who don't see human sexual activity as something that has earned a biblical cyber-stoning.

Are you kids posting that shit sitting at a junior high school lunch table giggling into your iphones?

Cheesus Christ, Grow up.

[quote] Can't take her sucking and fucking away from her. She is nothing if not a Grade-A whore.

meant to quote this to in my post at r319

GO BACK TO CELEBITCHY r319

YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE.

It was such a stupid move by Mghan to immediately set herself up in opposition to Kate. She leaked the "Kate didn't give me a lift to the shops" story as a new girlfriend. Is it any wonder William and Kate didn't trust her.Instead of cultivating good relationships she just came in and behaved like a total twat to everyone.

What’s the story re the Daily Mail and the Mirror (?), “the pap photos were posted on the front page and then were deleted”. Like there’s something suspicious. I’ve seen that mentioned several times (mostly on Reddit I guess, that hotbed of rumor and misinformation). Are there more pap photos? Well obv there are but I just see the same one over and over, the three of them in the backseat of the taxi with Meghan smiling in the middle, Harry holding his phone up, Doria looking down on her phone.

She has spent Harry's inheritance, which was the whole point of getting him to California. Once the last dime has been spent, she'll move on (and also expect Charles to pay off the manor as part of the divorce settlement).

r323 Dora knows better than to get involved in her daughter's manufactured DRAMA.

Doria also know that this is a Meghan psyop being run on Harry to activate his trauma about his mother, so why would she care?

She set up the whole thing to invoke a Princess Diana narrative to the public. She's 100% narcissist BPD personality disordered. She is truly deranged.

She set it up to re-activate Harry's trauma about his mother.

Imagine being that evil.

They are relentless attention whores. I look forward to what shenanigans they have in store for us next.

I look forward to the South Park take on this

r328, I think they're done, darling.

I will die on the mountain that says Harry and Meghan should have stayed in the UK. They are big fishes in a small pond there. America doesn’t care about the Royal family and is loaded with celebrities. If they didn’t manufacture all this drama, nobody would be checking for them. Kate and William could even live here rather anonymously as well. If you want attention for being in the British Royal family, then live in the UK.

Someone needs to make a version of this that reacts to Harry and his wife

They are bigger stunt queens than the Kardashians.

The Spam Mammies greyed this thread out quick.

Paid for by Meghan via Bouzy's troll farm, r334

The black liberal public figures have distanced themselves from this duo. Don Lemon , Whoopi , Oprah are clearly no longer on H&M’s team. Just two years ago, right after the Oprah interview, Don Lemon , Whoopi expressed their support to H&M on their shows. However, their have changed their stance since then. Don Lemon said he wouldn’t air family members’ dirty laundry publicly like Harry. Whoopi mocked MM on the view multiple times. Oprah is nowhere to be found in H&M’s events.

Nevertheless, Oprah should never be forgiven for that interview with them. No fact-checking, no homework, no follow-ups to word salad answers -- she even slid over Harry contradicting Meghan about the question about the baby's colour. It was shameless kow-towing, and she knew as well as we did that Prince Philip was on his deathbed at the time.

R337 that interview killed Oprah’s reputation as a journalist

The Obamas don't like them either. Michelle probably thought it was weird the way Meghan was lying pretending she had lunches with Michelle.

[quote][R89] she won’t. Meghan cannot do unscripted.

"Okay, now act like a chipmunk! pretend you're a chipmunk!"

--Ellen, feeding Meghan a script

R339 right

Meghan felt objectified on deal or no deal. Whoopi to Meghan “no one paid attention to you on deal or no deal, they just wanted the money”

Michelle Obama was asked about H&M’s Oprah interview, Michelle replied “none of this is about us in public service, it is about the people that we serve”

"She set up the whole thing to invoke a Princess Diana narrative to the public. "

No, she set it up to invoke a Princess Diana narrative with Harry, because she's used his mommy issues to attach him all along.

The public's never bought it, but Harry is far more easily fooled.

I fucking hate GBNews but this story appears to be gaining ground as several witnesses on the ground seem to be confirming it was H&M's driving causing the danger

I would DEARLY love to see Harry and Meg, or other rich fuckers, get in trouble for violating traffic laws and endangering everyone else on the streets of NYC, because they don't like paparazzi! Seriously, that can't be legal! I mean, driving fast breaking traffic laws if you're in danger has to be excusable, but they weren't in any danger, they were suffering a minor inconvenience. And they were allegedly going 3x the legal speed limit and using an extra car to "block traffic", which implies that they were running stop signs or red lights and blocking cars that had the legal right of way.

And I would like the judge who hands down a verdict against Harry tell him to his face, "The traffic laws are there to protect you from another incident like that one in Paris. If your mother and her people had obeyed the traffic laws, they would not have died the way they did.". Which would be completely true.

r317 Half sister not step sister

r336 Gayle King is a strange one though inn regards to her relationship with the Dumbartons.

Samantha Markle was interviewed by Dan Wooton last night.

R304 We don't look like you Tiny so we're never gonna lose

“No, only their credibility was hurt”

According to Page Six, H&M wanted to stay at the Carlyle, Diana’s favorite NYC hotel. The hotel, however, refused to give them the discount they asked for. The two wound up staying at a friend’s place. On the night of the “chase,” they tried to shake off the photographers because they did not want to reveal where they were staying. So, if they had only agreed to pay for the room at the Carlyle none of this would have happened.

DL fav Camilla Tominey has some great tea about the Sussex marriage and Harry's life in California. The most telling: Harry spends a lot of time with out Megz in LA. He still keeps UK time. The few friends Harry had left in the UK have all but cut him off calling him "delusional and a narcissist" thoughts shared by William and Catherine apparently.

Gayle King believes them, r350. And where she goeth so goes Okra. Both of them are so easily bamboozled by grifters, chancers, and cheats. Fake authors, so-called life coaches who can’t manage their own lives, new age gurus who claim to have the answers but it’s just the same old mumbo jumbo rebranded and repackaged, tv doctors who endorse miracle potions and remedies but fail to tell the fools who buy them that they profit from doing so. The list goes on and on.

Reminder: If you little gals spend all day vomiting up your psychosis on DL you'll miss your Zumba.

^ or worse miss a meal

Could this whole debacle be a kind of stealth audition to be one of those Real Housewives? How else to explain the tawdriness, and the series of bad decisions and miscalculations?

As others have said here, I think she should fire the PR team, drop the humanitarian pose, and go for full-on notoriety. Accept who she really is, embrace it, and work it. Leave the humanitarianism to people who really care.

Interesting r355.

KGT/SSG (Klan Granny Troll/Sussex Squad Granny) sure is into the lame fat people memes. *yawn* they must be real fun to be around with that sense of "humor".

R354, Cheap bastards!

[quote]The owner of a leading hotel chain in Montecito recently told The Daily Telegraph they have a room set aside for Harry where he occasionally stays on his own. The Duke has also been known to stay at the uber-exclusive San Vincente Bungalows when visiting LA, which is a two-hour drive from the couple’s £11 million mansion.“ That seems to be his escape place,”

R362, JFK, Jr. often stayed at the Stanhope Hotel on 5th Avenue when life with Carolyn became unbearable at their loft apartment.

so where the fuck did they stay? where is this friend's apt?

[quote]As one insider explained: “Nobody really speaks to him any more and even the people who have remained by his side have lately begun to fall away because he is so consistently negative. He’s often complaining and rarely asks after others. People had stuck with him because they blamed Meghan for isolating him and cutting him off from his friends and family. But he hasn’t done anything to help himself. Now they just see him as completely lost.” Harry himself referred to the fact that William regards him as “deluded” – but that sentiment also seems to be shared by those in what he once referred to as his “circle of trust”. The word “narcissistic” also creeps into a lot of conversations about the couple.

I’m not divulging where they are but as their host, they need to go.

Like fish, houseguests stink after three days.

Doesn't "Glo" have a townhouse over in that direction?

Question is are they cheap or can't afford the regular rate?

I had a parent die when I was younger. I loved them very much but I can't imagine bringing them up all the time like Harry does. I guess Meghan was smart to play into that obsession to trap him.

Are they unaware that there are other hotels in NY?

If her relaunch doesn’t go to plan, however, a blame game is likely to follow – and as someone who once worked for the couple noted: “When you’re that angry with the world, it leaves little time for romance.”

R354 I’ve stayed at the Carlyle on a work trip. It’s stupid expensive and certainly not the best hotel I’ve ever stayed at. But! During my short stay I had encounters with a bunch of guests that had bodyguards, so definitely a place dealing with high profile people. (I have very funny story of escorting an older lady to her room -she had half a floor— because her bodyguards were on dinner break. Thought she was jokingat first but next day rode on elevator —still have elevator operators!—and she introduced me to the bodyguards)

Anyway, if my company could afford to put me up there, they certainly could afford it. Doesn’t surprise me at all that they felt entitled to steep discount.

The Women of Vision award should have paid to put them up in a hotel. The fact it didn't just underlines what a trashy award it is.

The Carlyle has old-school cache but there are many better NYC hotels for their particular purposes.

The Four Seasons, for example, has two entrances very distant from one another, on separate streets. The Carlyle has the Madison Avenue entrance and it's side entrance is merely around the corner, very nearby. The Four Seasons is also on 57th street. The whole "car chase" that wasn't could have been easily avoided had they stayed there.

The Carlyle is not somewhere you go if you are trying to escape photographers. The management may be discreet, but the geography of the place makes it impossible to slip out and get away unseen by anyone waiting outside.

R372 You type like a 16yo with fat fingers. The Carlyle is not a "work trip" property. You never stayed at the Carlyle. Try harder. Fail.

"Like fish, my pussy stinks after three hours."

Fixed for deluded R366

They must have been staying at an undistinguished address and were embarrassed for the paps to find out they couldn't score classier digs so they didn't want them to find out.

^Nailed it

R375 Tosh. Here I am in my suite at the Carlyle. The same suite Harry and Maggot couldn't afford.

R372

Why do you keep posting pictures of yourself, r380?

Here I am In my Gulfstream G500 preparing for take off. Of course Harold & Maggot have to fly commercial.

R381 The Dorothy Parker of the 11th grade. If Dorothy weighed 300 lbs.

Backgrid is not an employer per se, it's an agency that has dealt with Markle for six years. She has met her match. WME is not a publicity firm. or primarily PR -- they're a talent agency headed by Ari Emanuel, set on shooting Influencer Sparkles straight to.. the top?

Why are talking about fat people? I was in, I mean, we were in, a near catastrophic car chase! But I was the principal target!

The Duke and Duchess of Smollett

Also Amal was not an entertainment lawyer, at least not at first. Her cherished client sure to impress was EXXON.

[quote]WME is not a publicity firm. or primarily PR -- they're a talent agency headed by Ari Emanuel, set on shooting Influencer Sparkles straight to.. the top?

We booked her in a Hertz rental car commercial driving around Africa serving food to poor black women and children. People tell me that's what she allegedly wants to do since she's supposedly visionary.

Amal was not even associated with the Prince's Trust in the UK. She was also hyped as the lawyer to secure the Parthenon Scupltures for Greece.

It was all a couple of mentions and photo ops. That's it. The media never followed up to verify so the public is left with the impression that that Amal is some high-powered international attorney. She's not. It's all bullshit.

The NY Times commenters have turned on them. The last Harry and MEghan article there had largely supportive comments, but this one has largely negative comments.

From what I can tell, it seems like New Yorkers were at first perplexed by the absurdity of the story, and were making comments like, "this doesn't sound right." or "that seems really odd". After the initial shock, now the locals are saying. "Yeah, okay, they're lying."

[quote] The Women of Vision award should have paid to put them up in a hotel. The fact it didn't just underlines what a trashy award it is.

It also suggests maybe they did pay for the award.

An obscure purchased award without reimbursed accommodations, unsuccessful fishing for hotel discounts, and travelling in a yellow cab. What a tawdry affair.

The other award recipients were non-celebs nobody had ever heard of.

R394 It was all tranny women bullshit.

r393 Indeed, and to top it all off, Harry falsely invokes the memory of his mother's death and claims this situation was somehow similar when it clearly was not even dangerous enough for them to wear seatbelts.

Tawdry doesn't begin to cover how despicable that bit alone is.

Be accurate R202. Amal was not a "friend of Charles' until a good year+ after the Sussex wedding. She worked it and worked it, until ta da! they announced the Amal Clooney Prince's Trust Women Empowerment Award, where she throws some money around every year. Sparkles ended up getting played on that one.

I would like to read the comments on the NY Times article. If I log in it says I have no free articles left. If I go into settings so I can take off the javascript it will let me read the article but not the comments. arrrrgh

Can you imagine being married to a man who cries about mummy all the time? That is a big turn off.

Moi at Bemelman's Bar sipping Dom while Harold & Maggot have a box of zinfandel in the parking garage.

R395 Did any Plus Size gals get an award?

"Can you imagine being married to a man?'

No that's why I'm here.

R399 You're assuming she married him for any other reason other than opportunity.

Same reason you married R403. Opportunity to snack.

[quote]From what I can tell, it seems like New Yorkers were at first perplexed by the absurdity of the story, and were making comments like, "this doesn't sound right." or "that seems really odd". After the initial shock, now the locals are saying. "Yeah, okay, they're lying."

R391. I'm sitting here in Southern California, and as soon as I heard this ridiculous story come across the news, I knew it was a big lie. No one in New York had to tell me the Markles were trying to pull a big scam. A friend texted me first thing that morning and voiced concern about this supposed car chase. I immediately wrote back and said this news was bullshit. I said, "wait until the details start coming out, and this story will fall apart." And within about an hour or less, that's exactly what happened.

I don't believe that Harry is triggered by paparazzi and flash bulbs. He loves it. He and the slimy wife live for this shit.

"Question is are they cheap or can't afford the regular rate?"

If Harry can afford a four-SUV security escort, he can afford a room at the Carlyle!

Cheap.

Amal actually worked in The Hague and represented people like Julian Assange. She works for Doughty Street Chambers who do lots of civil liberties stuff.

R72's post is utter nonsense. Amal was never an entertainment lawyer and was always a human rights lawyer with a pretty hefty track record. She studied at Oxford, where degrees can't be bought. Sunshine Sachs had absolutely no power to get invites to a royal wedding (were Harry and Meghan even working with them then?). She really can't be paralleled with Markle.

Americans need to understand that the rest of the world is not like their country.

Off-topic, but the name "Amal Clooney" sounds really bad. Comical, even. Clooney is kind of a goofy-sounding name to begin with, but mixed with an Arab first name, it's risible. I would have kept Alamuddin, myself.

One of Amal's recent cases. It's quite stupid to claim she's not a real human rights lawyer and is just a PR invention.

[quote]German court hands down second genocide conviction against ISIS member following enslavement and abuse of Yazidi woman in Syria

[quote]Press statement by victim’s counsel Amal Clooney, Sonka Mehner and Natalie von Wistinghausen, Yazidi NGO Yazda and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Nadia Murad

[quote]Hamburg, 27 July 2022

[quote]Today, the Higher Regional Court of Hamburg convicted German ISIS member Jalda A. of aiding and abetting genocide as well as of crimes against humanity and war crimes for the enslavement and abuse of a young Yazidi woman, “M”. The defendant was sentenced to five years and six months in prison. This represents the second conviction of an ISIS member for genocide for atrocities perpetrated against the Yazidi religious minority in Iraq and Syria. M was the key witness in the case and joined the proceedings as a co-plaintiff. She is represented by British barrister Amal Clooney and German lawyers Sonka Mehner and Natalie von Wistinghausen.

Talking of how Amal chooses to name herself, r410, she's also an adjunct professor at Colombia Law School, but has never insisted on being called Professor Clooney, as Columbia likes to refer to her.

[quote] KGT/SSG (Klan Granny Troll/Sussex Squad Granny) sure is into the lame fat people memes.

Yet he is not the one who got red tagged

Recollections may vary when it comes to Meghan and Harry’s car chase. The Sussexes’ statement this week supplied fodder for the front pages, and, more importantly, my group chats. ‘Near fatal is such a great phrase,’ one friend said, ‘anything can be near fatal if you squint hard enough.’

She’s referring to the press release put out by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex on Wednesday, which claimed that they were ‘involved in a near catastrophic car chase at the hands of a ring of highly aggressive paparazzi.’

‘This relentless pursuit,’ they said, ‘lasting over two hours, resulted in multiple near collisions involving other drivers on the road, pedestrians and two NYPD officers.’

It didn’t take long for their story to start falling apart. Camilla Tominey from the Daily Telegraph wrote that there was ‘a gap between fantasy and reality that you could drive a car through.’ Details remain hazy of the two-hour car chase that, by the way, is said to have taken place in the busy, often gridlocked streets of Manhattan. If there’s one thing New Yorkers like to do, it’s tell you the ins and outs of living in New York. Within minutes of the statement’s release, Manhattanites were countering that a two-hour high speed chase in one of the most congested cities on earth is all but impossible.

The NYPD’s response proved more revealing. ‘There were numerous photographers that made their transport challenging,’ they said in a statement provided to The Spectator, adding that: ‘the Duke and Duchess of Sussex arrived at their destination and there were no reported collisions, summonses, injuries or arrests in regard.’

The photo agency Backgrid, who retained the services of the cameraman and photographers, released a statement saying that ‘according to the photographers present, there were no near-collisions or near-crashes during this incident.’

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Harry and Meghan reacted to this undermining of their ‘truth’ calmly: by sending a legal letter to the agency, demanding copies of all their photographs and footage. But Backgrid’s lawyer was unfazed, responding:

‘In America, as I’m sure you know, property belongs to the owner of it: third parties cannot just demand it be given to them, as perhaps kings can do. Perhaps you should sit down with your client and advise them that his English rules of royal prerogative to demand that the citizenry hand over their property to the Crown were rejected by this country long ago. We stand by our founding fathers.’

It wouldn’t be the first time the couple have hyperbolised. In 2020, they claimed to Oprah Winfrey that Meghan and their then unborn child had been the victims of racism. Three years later, the couple appeared to backtrack, with Meghan suggesting there was ‘unconscious bias’ in the Royal Family. After three years of this, we are rightfully wary to believe anything they say. Also, you’ll notice that Harry hasn’t released the footage that the pair recorded on his phone, which would prove their story in seconds. Maybe he’s already signed away the exclusive rights to Netflix.

It’s slightly sad that it has come to this. When any other celebrity claims that they were involved in a scary incident, we have no reason to question them. (Well, except Jussie Smollett.) But Meghan and Harry have created an atmosphere that has made it hard to trust them when they tell us the colour of their socks.

There is also the Diana angle. In the mental health docuseries, The Me You Can’t See, Harry said: ‘My mother was chased to her death. And now look what’s happened. You want to talk about history repeating itself? They’re not going to stop until she dies.’

It’s possible that this latest statement is a result of Prince Harry’s paranoia, which is understandable. But ‘the Diana comparisons have caused unnecessary hurt for William,’ a source close to Harry’s family claimed. ‘The family had just started to move on from previous sagas with the Sussexes.’

I wrote a few weeks back that we should be expecting something of a Meghanaissance. The duchess recently hired a new PR team that was taken on specifically to rebuild her plunging reputation with the American public — there is no chance with the British. But even I didn’t expect the claim of a near-death experience to be first on the checklist.

-Kara Kennedy, The Spectator

Oops. Multiple uk tabloids including Dan Wootten on GB news have been using the heckler heard outside Meghans awards ceremony as an example of the Publics attitude towards the Sussex. Dan even called him a member of the general public. He has just been identified as Dan Ritter. A Daily Mail, Express and Backgrid employee. He works with Wootten.

"Manhattanites were countering that a two-hour high speed chase in one of the most congested cities on earth is all but impossible."

I live in California, and haven't been to New York in forty years... and even *I* know that! So how the fucking fuck can Meg and Harry have visited New York so many times and not have noticed the traffic?

Thanks for The Spectator article.

I'm surprised there has been so much blowback. Delighted about it, of course, but I figured it would just be shrugged off.

The Spectator is a right wing racist rag. ALLEGEDLY. No surprise it's linked and applauded by the BRF trolls. And confirms that these threads have an agenda

R419 An agenda? Just to point out these two have fucked up, once too often.

So a Daily Mail, Daily Express backgrid employee was the heckler. The main paps had uk accents. The Daily Express and Daily mail were the only two tabs to post the taxi shots which came from the paps and backgrid. It's starting to look very suspicious.

Are you unaware, r421, that paps heckle all the time? It's in order to try to get a reaction shot.

Also, Dan Wooton doesn't work with any paps. He's a journalist who spends most of his time inside a TV studio.

The Daily Mail may hire paps, but that would only be on a freelance basis. You really have no idea how media companies work, do you?

The Spectator is hardly rabidly Rightwing. It is read by members of the conservative party, yes, but it is pro-migration and anti-Brexit.

A room at the Carlyle runs about $900 ($574 on Kayak). That may be expensive to the peasant class, but seriously, how fucking cheap is Harry? Or how broke are they?

A suite there can go up to 6000 a night. You just know that is what they were insisting upon.

I bet their new PR company is pissed off. They would never advise them to put out a statement that could be so easily debunked.

Their security company won't be too happy either - its made them look like fools. Who wants to hire security that drives you around for two hours in an allegedly dangerous situation and then puts you in a random taxi(!!)

R421 Thats the conspiracy? Paps--who sell pictures to newspapers-- were present at this event to take pictures to sell to newspapers? You're right, that's super suspicious!

r418 Your welcome.

I think the reason there has been so much blowback this time is because what they are claiming is an impossibility in NYC, combined with their attempt to manipulate public feeling by claiming they were in a near-Diana level crash. The implicit use of his mother's fate is something that is really starting to rub people the wrong way, especially when it is so untrue and unwarranted, as it obviously is here.

Add on the fact that New Yorkers themselves took this as a bit of a slap in the face to them, and you have large groups of annoyed people in America as well as in Britain.

^^^ YOU'RE

!!!! Oh DEAR. I cannot believe I made that mistake.

Harry old boy, next time try the Lowell or the Mark.

The fact that they stayed with friends is just one more bizarre element to this tale. He never stops talking about the paps. He must have realised that anyone who hosts them would likely have some paps outside their house. It's very weird.

They said that they stayed with friends - I still go with the Airbnb angle.

[quote] They said that they stayed with friends - I still go with the Airbnb angle.

Yes. Something very hinky about where they were staying in NYC. Airbnb? Russian Oligarch property? Shady connection? Not-so-nice-digs?

They do this quite a bit. They hide things that are questionable or spurious in their lives*whilst simultaneously being exploitative of other aspects of their lives. It’s a schizophrenic existence and ultimately is not sustainable long-term.

*Their children are an example of this. Something’s up with those kids: timelines don’t match, photos are irregular and obtuse, and the pregnancies/christenings/miscarriages were flat out bizarre. As is the limited but clearly impaired mobility of little Archie (and the offhand statement that multiple “experts” were working with him.)

It's also weird to leave the kids in Montecito, where a stalker supposedly was hanging around the property.

Seriously. I just remembered reading on either Reddit or Tattle weeks before the coronation that Meghan was "planning something odious" according to an insider.

I think that was it. My God. This woman is pure evil. She is cut from the same exact cloth as Trump. Only she is much more smarter (well not by much compared to Trump).

More bad news for uk tabloids. Uk media put out a booking sheet for photographers. 20 thousand for pic of Harry in Car. 60 thousand for pic of Harry angry in car. Photographers are saying this is what the uk media did to Diana to create news stories. It also increased the risk to Diana. Photographers are going to drop more insider info tonight.

Everything about their walk into and out of the Women of Vision venue indicates that Harry and Meghan wanted pap photos. They truly believed that she looked like a bombshell, glamorous, old Hollywood star, with a literal prince on her arm and with all the lights and cameras and world's attention on them. The hired SUVs and security team were all intended to add to this image of the global star. That's the impression they wanted to give. They wanted pap photos.

They could have got the pap shots and then shaken off the paps if they'd simply done what all celebrities at these kinds of events do and stayed in a nearby hotel and discreetly left by the back entrance. But, no, they wanted to pretend that they can still lead a "normal private life" by "staying with friends" while milking this event for all it was worth for glamour shots and for promoting Meghan's image as a glamorous and renowned activist.

Lol, and to back up what I just posted at r437, apparently their friends are saying the same thing: it was Harry and Meghan's choice to parade past the photographers! Their rep even told the NYT that the pap parade photos were "some of the most beautiful images of the evening”.

[quote]Prince Harry and Meghan Markle personally decided to walk in front of the group of photographers outside the Ziegfeld Ballroom on Tuesday night — who they later blamed for an allegedly “near-catastrophic car chase.”

[quote]The couple’s decision was made despite their security being led by a former member of Barack Obama’s Secret Service detail known as “the king of the back exits” for his ability to quietly get celebrities out of high-profile situations.

[quote]The Duke and Duchess of Sussex were accompanied by Chris Sanchez, a renowned ex-Secret Serviceman, as they left the Ziegfeld Ballroom on Tuesday night.

[quote]Sanchez was with the Sussexes as they jumped from a blacked-out SUV into a yellow taxi while trying to escape from the photographers who were trying to follow them back to a friend’s home.

[quote]A source close to the Sussexes told us the couple decided to walk out the back of the ballroom around 10 p.m. because they wanted to give waiting photographers a shot of them.

[quote]“Harry and Meghan were willing to give everyone those shots when they left the event, that was not the problem, but they were tailed from that point on,” the source said.

[quote]Their rep, Ashley Hansen, told the New York Times Friday: “They were some of the most beautiful images of the evening,”

R424 - Camilla Tominey's article linked upthread hints at where their money might be going, and it's not rooms at exclusive hotels in LA or SB. Blink and you might have missed it. Harry misses his home country and even keeps UK hours staying up to the early morning hours gaming. I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up yet. Harry doesn't strike me as someone who'd be a capable gambler. Throw alcohol into the mix and that's a lot of money flying out the window.

"Gaming" doesn't mean gambling, r439. It means playing video games.

My favourite part of these threads is currently the IP addresses/ Black Twitter/ "I can't say any more" guy. He's hilarious.

The comments below this NY Mag article are withering.

Agreed, R441 - he never gives up!

R436 do report back here on the insider info “tonight”, wherever you are.

You sound really really well connected!y

[quote]I still go with the Airbnb angle

Doubtful. Most of NYC’s UES is condo or co-op where Airbnb’s aren’t allowed. And if they rented a townhouse or brownstone the what’s the problem?

They didn't "rent" anything. They took a free pad from some rich person. Probably an oligarch.

She has gotten very thin and her face looks very thin as well. Ozempic?

That or amphetemines. Or both.

Have Mr. and Mrs. Harry Mountbatten-Windsor returned to their abode in Montecito? Was there a mob of paparazzi chasing them from the Upper Eastside to either Kennedy or LaGuardia in Queens? No.

As former police officers who served on protective details for members of his family have commented, you let the photographers take their pictures on your terms. You do not engage in car chases. If they are in danger, you get them to a safe place quickly. You don'r play "cat and mouse."

This episode demonstrates the ineptitude f his private security. It does not serve his suit against the Home Office well.

If Harry actually had to work for a living and worry about about paying his bills, he wouldn’t be so obsessed with the issues he’s obsessed with. He doesn’t seem to have any hobbies or interests either.

[quote] According to law enforcement sources, bosses at the Carlyle refused the hefty discount, so the embattled pair instead stayed at a friend’s house on the Upper East Side.

From Page Six. I just wanted to know where this bit of gossip came from, that it wasn’t a just a wishful Twitter rumor that spread. “Law enforcement sources” knew where they were staying since a couple of them were assigned to escort them but the Carlyle refusal, that’s another thing altogether, and a bad look for the Sussexes.

Pleased to think that now the top-tier hotels will just consider the Harkles to be more trouble than they're worth, and will turn down comping them or settling for discounts.

Harry & Meghan sure know how to generate bandwidth.

R423 - The Spectator UK is all over the place on issues facing the UK. It is British Center-Right on some issues and British Center-Left on some issues.

The British Left & Right are not equivalent to the US Left & Right.

Who are these supposed friends and why were they not with the Harkles on Meghan's big night?

Amal Clooney is a human rights lawyer NOW, but it's surprisingly difficult to find anything about such activities before she met George in 2013, which I tried to do after R72's post. For example, she represented Julian Assange not as a human rights lawyer but as his defence lawyer in the Swedish rape case. In the same period she represented those giants of philanthropy, the executives from Enron. Apart from clerking at the UN for a few months, all her famous human rights cases have occurred after she was with Clooney.

Also, did anyone read R409's link? It's extremely peculiar if it's meant to represent a barrister from those chambers. It's all "people say that" and "she is considered to be" rather than "she is" and "she did".

Also, you may not be able to buy a degree from Oxford, but I notice it's not an Honours degree, nor apparently was it good enough for her to do her postgrad at Harvard Law School. Getting a pass degree from Oxford is a fine thing, but not if your brilliance is supposed to be world-leading.

R455, the friends couldn't attend the awards ceremony because they were probably babysitting for Prince Archie and Princess Lillibet/s.

R456 exactly. She is beautiful and intelligent and a lawyer no doubt, but Clooney PR and connections made her into something she wasn’t before. People like to pretend beauty didn’t play a role but it definitely did.

Some commentators have described this as a 'career ending debacle'.

Can someone please tell me what their careers are?

Fame whores, R459. Fame whores.

R458 I think she had a fairly significant career pre-Clooney but his PR blew it up. Prince Charles did create an award in her honor for the Prince's Trust back in 2017 so she has been close to the Prince for a number of years.

Lady Campbell is positively giddy.

Observations:

Meghan has legs symptomatic of a woman on the sauce.

Doria and Harry are potheads.

Cokeheads

Well if Charles knew her and did that in 2017, it pre-dates the Sussex wedding in 2018 which makes Clooney’s “I don’t know her” quote relevant in that he was a guest of the groom’s father, not the aspirational bride.

Amal Clooney was a human rights lawyer for years before she married Clooney. You don't simply switch from entertainment lawyer, which she never was, to representing high profile political cases at The Hague or the European Court of Human Rights simply by having a famous husband and a PR makeover.

She has been working for Doughty Street Chambers - which specialises in civil rights and human rights cases - since 2010. I remember seeing her on TV back in those days as part of Julian Assange's legal team, with the barrister Geoffrey Robertson.

She did a clerkship at the International Court of Justice, "the principal judicial organ of the United Nations", in 2004-2005. She's listed on its website as an alumna (see link).

Meghan and Hillaria Baldwin should do their own tv show.

Both have messiah complexes.

Yes, a much better comparison for Meghan would be Hilaria Baldwin, not Amal.

NYPD are apparently investigating and have asked H&M to turn over their footage...allegedly they have yet to do so...

R465, And they’re both married to emotional cripples.

Regarding the hotel, where the fuck did they get ready? I’m assuming they had a place to dump their luggage and for them to get dressed. So why the weirdness about crashing at a friend’s house?

Clooney's first law firm was in D.C., where she worked on Exxon for a period of time. The Princes' Trust Award grift did NOT come about in 2017, it was 2019.

Wow, so Amal was an entertainment lawyer and a corporate lawyer and then a human rights lawyer who presents cases at The Hague and the European Court of Human Rights on behalf of Nobel Peace Prize winners. She sounds superhuman, r470. Weirdly, there's no mention of this DC law firm on her CV at her Chambers or in the numerous profiles of her at top legal bodies and law schools. Can you give us some more information about it?

The scarier party of the clooneys is their mission to control the media and watchdog trials involving journalists. It sounds noble. But her uncle is a criminal and he is Hollywood scum.

Like the Harry and Meghan, they share a desire to control the Free Press.

Amal's profile on the International Criminal Court website. That's some grift!

[quote]Special Adviser on Darfur

[quote]Short Bio. | Mrs Amal Clooney

[quote]Mrs Amal Clooney is a barrister at Doughty Street Chambers specializing in international law and human rights. She represents victims of international crimes, with a focus on victims of sexual and gender-based violence, and has appeared before the International Criminal Court (“ICC”), the International Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights.

[quote]She recently served as the Legal Representative of Victims on behalf of 126 survivors of crimes committed in Darfur, Sudan, in the case against Janjaweed leader, Ali Kushayb at the ICC. She also represents Yazidi victims of genocide in national courts including in the first genocide case against an ISIS member in Germany. She previously worked on the Milošević trial at the UN International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, and as a prosecutor at the Special Tribunal for Lebanon.

[quote]Mrs Clooney has also been counsel to the UN Special Rapporteur on Counter-Terrorism and Human Rights, legal advisor at the UN International Independent Investigation Commission, and a senior adviser to Kofi Annan on Syria. She is appointed to the UK Attorney-General’s Panel of Experts in Public International Law and to the UK government’s expert panel on Sexual Violence in Conflict. She has also practiced as a criminal defence lawyer in the US and the UK and has helped to secure freedom for political prisoners around the world.

[quote]Mrs Clooney is co-author (with Philippa Webb) of the textbook The Right to a Fair Trial in International Law published by Oxford University Press in 2020. She is a Visiting Professor at Columbia Law School, co-founder of the Clooney Foundation for Justice, and was formerly a litigation associate at Sullivan & Cromwell LLP in New York

The NYTimes brings the curtain on this incident, noting that, as the hours passed, “The facts began to diverge from [the Sussexes’] account . . .”

I read the Exxon blurb in shock on her Wiki in 2018, before the Saint Amal push was in complete force. After hosting the Sussexes at the Lake Como villa, her defining public monent to me was at Sparkles' $500,000 baby shower in NYC. On a freezing snowy winter day, mid-afternoon, they had a red carpet walk into the hotel, featuring Amal in a metallic gold strapless jumpsuit, no coat, big high heels, hair flying. They had barricades all around to keep out the crowds, like the Oscars, while New Yorkers walked by without looking over. Then Sparkles and Amal jumped on the private jet and said bye. HuMaN rIgHtS!!

Yeah, I find it a little hard to believe someone so devoted to human rights would be such an anorexic attention whore. She has always struck me as unserious. I also don’t know how she finds the time with 2 kids and a jet setting husband to supposedly represent all these people and do all these things she’s supposedly doing. Most lawyers at that level are working 80 hour weeks.

Also agree Clooneys are shady as hell, and that George is one of Harry's backers in his tabloid suing efforts. Now waiting for them to start in on the American tabs.

Oh look, Poo Shoes has invaded this thread.

Amal and George have distanced themselves from the Sussexes and are now clearly in the royal family's circle. They aren't relevant here.

R477 Obviously American media don't give two fucks about papping H and M.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FUCKING CLOONEYS, START A THREAD ON THE CLOONEYS!

They don't even know the Sussexes, whose thread this is, they said so themselves.

I'm just shocked at the blatant grifting in the name of human rights.

I want to know: How the fuck did Hollywood co-opt the legal rights movement, and do they understand they destroyed our bench for judicial clerkships and politicians, which is why we are where we are, re the USSC?

Also, Harry and Meghan are hilarious. They're the king and queen of the Idiocracy.

Hollywood has been pontificating for decades. Jane Fonda, Brando, Vanessa Redgrave.

I always found it bizarre that Amal - a feminist with her own career - uses her husband's name. Seems like an obvious case for keeping her maiden name.

To the Megstan conspiracy troll upthread (the one who always claims inside knowledge and who usually claims that the FBI is planning on arresting any DLers who dare to criticise Meghan) who claims that the value of the taxi pictures is ultra high in Britain, here's the former Royal editor of the Sun, while speaking to the former EIC of the Daily Star, specifically saying that the taxi pictures are basically worthless to UK publications because British regulations means that UK publications can't even use them:

Okay, back to the Markles'...

The first red flag--or yellow flag--if you will at the start of the evening to show you that these two lying grifters are not royal was them entering this made-up event through the Hertz Rental Car office. Blame it on anything you want--traffic, parking, security, etc., but that's what you get when you don't have Buckingham Palace front men doing the preparatory work before a public event. There are are all dolled up looking tacky as hell in some sort of gold Lamé get up with a cut-out, and then entered the event via Hertz!! Why not enter through the front door of the goddamn Ziegfeld Theatre??

Can you even imagine Will and Kate entering an event through Hertz Rental Car?? No friggin way would that ever happen. Such a bad look. But that's Harry and Markle. No matter how hard they try, they manage to drop the ball on the two-yard line and fuck it up.

R485 I assume these were all the choices made by Meghan's paramour the alleged Super Bodyguard. He's gonna get thrown to the dogs any minute now.

What evidence is there that Meg is fucking the bodyguard? Granted, Duchess D-List is a horrid person, but it seems out of character for an experienced operator like her to do something so obvious and something which doesn't advance her up the ladder.

What if QE2 excoriated Kate for Taxi pics- especially during her break with Wills- and this is some special trauma for Harry? And he deeply overreacted to taxi pics leaking? It's very low class for his ilk...

But really, I think they were staying at some godawful oligarch's place and were terrified of being caught.

Or worse, Ellen's.

"Can you even imagine Will and Kate entering an event through Hertz Rental Car??" - R485, I can't imagine any celebrity or public figure doing that. Who exactly is managing them? Do they have agents, stylists, anyone looking out specifically for them or advising them? All they have is a PR agency, which doesn't seem to be doing much. If they had professionals around them, then they wouldn't end up in such a mess.

Part of the problem is that they aren't anything, apart from two people who've decided they're going to be public figures who do "things". But they don't belong to anything and they haven't actually achieved anything. They're not writers (not real writers), actors, influencers with brand endorsements, models, activists or anything, so there is no one around, no structure to advise and guide them.

Harry's suit looks ridiculous. The trousers are too short and tight and the shoes look too big and shiny. He's gone from wearing the finest handmade bespoke suits that could be made to looking like a teenager who has to go to a family wedding and has cobbled something resembling a suit from various items at the back of his wardrobe.

They like the idea that they are so important that they have to hide from the press and take extraordinary measures to do so. There are many people more important than Harry and Meaghan who live in or travel to NYC who accept that the press knows where they are and don’t do this type of ridiculous game.

R489, it's them against the world you see. No one can advise them from the outside.

And the house always wins.

I love how the sugars insist Meghan and Harry live rentfree in other people's heads. They're the freaks holding digital birthday parties for "King Archie" and other crazy shit.

I thought Hertz went out of business years ago.

Here in Massachusetts, Enterprise is everywhere.

R490, Meghan’s dress looks like a sarong from the Dorothy Lamour Collection.

[quote]Who exactly is managing them? Do they have agents, stylists, anyone looking out specifically for them or advising them? All they have is a PR agency, which doesn't seem to be doing much. If they had professionals around them, then they wouldn't end up in such a mess.

Do they have a PR agency? WME doesn't handle PR. I thought I read after Sunshine Sachs dropped them, they were basically going to handle their PR themselves.

If they're doing their own PR, that explains quite a lot about how this "car chase" shitshow came to be. These two are their own worst enemies.

R490 The tie is too skinny as well. He looks like an imbecile.

A branding expert (who is also, by the way, mixed-race) weighs in:

"The Sussexes may perceive themselves as relevant, but true players don’t need car chases to keep their audiences enthralled."

Are they too cheap to pay for PR, or is it instead that no reputable firm will have them?

After all, Sunshine Sachs' reputation took a major hit from working with the Harkles.

[quote]It seems that Morgan’s services will no longer be required, however, given that the Sussexes’ PR is reportedly being handled ‘in-house’ as part of their Archewell organisation, led by head of communications Christine Schirmer. Toya Holness, who previously held the position of global press secretary, is said to have left Archewell earlier this year.

So, yes, Meghan is the one handling their PR.

They hire experts, but don't want to listen to them.

"WE KNOW BEST!"

The dress Meghan wore to the Hertz showroom was the ugliest dress she's ever worn. Looked like somebody made it out of a Bed Bath and Beyond bedspread they got cheap.

Meghan might be in charge of their PR, but that stupid statement was all Harry and his paranoia. If anything, Meghan probably made him add the qualifiers--"near" catastrophic and "near" collisions. Because Meghan "over a lunch of chicken tacos" Markle understands the value of insinuation while still maintaining plausible deniability. Harry "it was the paps NOT the speeding that killed my mother," though, is all hyperbole all the time.

^ Should say "the speeding and DRUNK DRIVING."

R485, I didn't realize they went into the event through Hertz. Until you said that, I was convinced that they rented an SUV at Hertz.

It doesn't matter if they employ PR or, if they do, who they employ--as the poster above said, Meghan knows everything about everything (Meghan knows BEST) and, therefore, doesn't need to listen to any advice (be it about her clothes, hair, PR, etc.). And Harry, poor dumb schmuck, buys into her bullshit.

Following yesterday's article in The Telegraph, the Sussexes have denied that Harry has a "retreat" in a LA hotel...despite the hotel already confirming it.

TMZ all put confirming H&M called the papz....

R506 they came in through Hertz and I think left that way too. The incoming pictures are great, with the underground garage in the background and Sparkles on display in front of the yelliw Hertz counter.

Despite all the purchased awards, the humanitarian angle was always the wrong play for them. He lacks the drive to do anything. She doesn't really care about people unless they can advance her in some way. Plus she lacks anything resembling warmth or charm, and isn't a good enough actress to fake it for very long. They should have figured something to merch and left it at that. However, a Real Housewives franchise would have been perfect for her, but Meghan being Meghan, would think it beneath her.

r508 Well, to be fair, all the hotel said was that they "keep a room aside" for him. That's not quite the same thing as him having a separate residence or "retreat". Maybe they have fights, which wouldn't be that weird, or maybe he wants to do drugs but not around the kids. Apparently he plays a lot of video games, so maybe she turfs him out on nights he wants to stay up playing. Who knows.

That house is big enough, with enough bedrooms, to accommodate Harry staying up all night playing video games.

She looks so ugly in the pic on the right at r74. Lindbergh and team worked miracles on her VF cover.

H does workouts with Barry’s Bootcamp, r508? Isn’t that the group Aaron Schlock associates with?

r513 One would think, yes.

Also, if he sneaks off to spend odd nights in a hotel, does he take his security with him? Surely the hotel would need to set aside two rooms? Or perhaps, as the seatbelt-less taxi pictures demonstrate, is Harry actually less worried about security than he claims when demanding Internationally Protected Person status?

What's hilarious is they treated this Ms event like it was some A-list, red carpet awards show, while by all accounts it was basically a crunchy, feminist/activist crowd clad in Birkenstocks. Even Gloria looked like she just rolled in from lunch.

It seems like they don't go anywhere without their expensive security team. Whether that's to pick up Archie from school, or for Harry to take a bike ride around the neighborhood. It's like they think they need presidential levels of security.

She looks so ugly in the pic on the right at r74. Lindbergh and team worked miracles on her VF cover

The TMZ article stated that the event was "celebrity-filled." What celebrities were there?

It's a bit baffling that she went out with those tan lines on her shoulders. Any half-decent makeup artist could've fixed that.

They entered an event where she was receiving an award (never mind that the entire evening was made up and contrived), but it was Markle's big night and they entered through the Hertz rental office. You cannot get much low-rent and tackier!! Where was the front entrance of the Ziegfeld Theatre? Where was the red carpet? Jesus Christ.

But Meghan is probably HER OWN make-up artist!!

Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, does not need a makeup artist as she is naturally beautiful

As a recent media story said after this fiasco. "They arrived in LA without any talent."

Oh yeah, they are lying, conniving, grifting, etc. But they have no talent, and even their ardent supporters are finally starting to question where is the substance. They supposedly "serve" others, but even now they're charitable contributions and service are being questioned.

I loved the comments from the stans on LSA and Celebitchy about how their kids were NEARLY ORPHANED!!

Take some dramamine, sugars.

"Prince Harry’s had one of those weeks that would send even the most hardened LA publicist checking into a recovery spa, and it all just reveals a massive problem the former working royal has made for himself."

I heard (a rumor?) that these two idiots may appear on camera to try and explain their side of the story.

Less is more you idiots. STFU. Going on camera to explain your lies would be a "near catastrophic!!"

[quote]I heard (a rumor?) that these two idiots may appear on camera to try and explain their side of the story.

Oh please let it happen! PLEASE!!!! Primetime GOLD! Just like Prince Andrew did.

H&M, did you watch? 'Morning Joe' is having some kind of fun about the near catastrophic chase with the mayor of NYC:

^^H&M after watching:

The comments on the NY Times article about Harry and Meghan's misadventures in NYC are hysterical. They've been ripped into a million shreds. They're finished now. Any future attempts at getting publicity will be met with derision.

I love that Morning Joe keeps referring to them as "former royals." Markle must be losing her mind.

The TMZ poll is not exactly going well for the pair:

74% Pants on Fire

26% Telling the truth about the "Chase"

Things are a little better for them now - 26% believe their tall tale. Did Meghan sick her stans on TMZ to try to right the poll?

Hey R436 - when does that photographer inside intel drop? Don’t leave me hanging!!

Markle's bodyguard matching his tie to her Hertz car upholstery dress:

^^ No comparison:

Prince Harry 'looks absolutely SHRIVELLED' five years on from marrying Meghan Markle | Angela Levin

They are absolutely exhausting. Always some drama with them. Why don't they ever just chill out?

R540 because chilling out would involve having to stay at home and deal with each other. I’d suggest that he bores her shitless and he’s terrified of her.

It would also mean no publicity and attention and they seem to be like oxygen for the Harkles.

That and they are desperate to be seen as being on the same level as William and Kate. Thus, the numerous purchased awards, the address at the U.N,, the made-up car chase, her signing with the whatever agency.

Has Gloria Steinem lost her marbles? Otherwise I would think she would not be happy at the negative aspect this gave her awards thing.

“Meghan positioned herself as an early social media influencer despite having no actual position or influence.

Harry failed to understand that his only real currency was his family and title.”

She's nothing but chemically straightened hair with shitty extensions, botched nose job, cheek implants, slight underbite, small saggy tits, long rectangular body, no ass, long chicken legs and big funky feet.

The reason almost none of her clothes fit is because she can't afford custom made clothing. Even if she could it would be impossible to return for a refund and very difficult to sell since it would be tailored to her exact measurements (or lack thereof).

This may sound a bit snobby, r545, but the other reason she always looks so trashy in what are supposedly expensive clothes is because she is trashy. She is not sophisticated or elegant and has no social graces. This is partly also why she couldn't fit into the royal family, because she couldn't understand the values of decorum, etiquette and grace and how they play a great role in making someone look presentable, elegant and charismatic.

This lack of sophistication isn't because she's a normal person from a modest background like the rest of us - she went to an all-girls private school where she should have picked up on some of these values and behaviours. But, for some reason, she didn't. A lot of celebrities from poorer backgrounds can easily learn how to behave in public, how to dress well, how to talk to fans or journalists, how to pose for photos. Meghan's problem is that she thinks she's the hot shit and so doesn't need to listen to anyone.

R545, Are her teeth real?

Those splaying chiclet teef of hers are one of the worst veneer jobs among anyone in Hollywood I've ever seen outside of Gary Busey.

R546 Meghan is a caricature of the worst LA traits come to life. She’s shallow, desperate for cheap fame, conniving, arrogant and a clinicak narcissisit. She thinks she knows it all and is an expert bullshit artist. The problem is that the hoi polloi are stupider than her and so she gets vocal support from a certain segment online.

Almost all of the monarchies of world have queen consorts and crown princesses that are commoners. But they learned to abide by the rules and fast. Markle is the only one who acts like a fly in the honey.

Being such a destructive force, Harry has deteriorated considerably in the past few years. He looks ill, dead in the eyes. Predictions have started appearing online: no one will be surprised to see headlines about Harry’s death in the near future.

I still can't believe Harry fell for the most basic bitch that ever basic bitched. She's stereotypical Hollywood D-list and always has been, with almost no redeeming features.

Having said all that, now that we know what we know about Harry, they are a perfect match. He got exactly the kind of low quality person he deserves.

The most damaging moment in the Netflix documentary was when Meghan mocked having to bow/curtsy to the Queen.

She lost many borderline supporters among the British people with that stupid gesture.

Harry’s face said it all, he knew she had gone too far.

R539, she looks just like Jennifer Garner there.

[quote]clinicak narcissisit

*hic!*

[Quote]The couple’s decision was made despite their security being led by a former member of Barack Obama’s Secret Service detail known as “the king of the back exits” for his ability to quietly get celebrities out of high-profile situations.

King of back exits huh?? You know what you gotta do now, Meggie. You made your security look like incompetent cunts for not being able to shake off paps or get you to safety after 2 hours of being "chased". Meghan will have to suck off Chris Sanchez extra hard to make up for this one while Harry goes off on his next trip alone.

No, they’ll be forced to reevaluate their security team in light of this embarrassing debacle. He’ll be made the scapegoat and fired.

R549, Harry has that same vacant and blissed out on xanax stare that Brad Pitt had when he was standing by Angelina Jolie's side at some event.

These narcissistic vipers suck the life out of these men and ruin them.

And aging desperate narcissist, like Meghan, is the most destructive. I thought Brad was in too deep and a goner, but he came out on the other side and is healthy once again. There's still hope for Harry.

[quote]Yes, a much better comparison for Meghan would be Hilaria Baldwin, not Amal.

More like my character in "Pretty Woman."

This is at least a year old, but if this is the kind of venom Meghan throws at her own mother in public then lawd knows how she is with Harry in private. Their rows must be of epic proportions, especially considering what an entitled, arrogant prick he is. She really played him for a fool.

I don't have a lot of hope for Harry, he's projected all his world-class Mommy Issues onto Meghan, and if she leaves him he's going to have a complete breakdown. And if he realizes that she isn't who he thought she is, he's also going to have a complete breakdown, basically, if the marriage fails he's in for a world of trouble, and if the marriage continues he's going to keep on being a mess!

Maybe if the marriage fails his family can finally get him into intensive therapy, but he's never going to make too much progress. I read his idiotic book, and at baseline he's stupid and lacks insight into himself or anyone else, and he thinks he's already 100% fixed! His next therapist is going to have a hard, hard time with him.

Agreed R559, but he will blame everyone else except himself and Meghan should the marriage fail.

My family never gave the marriage a chance

The press and paps had it in for us

The Brits never gave us a chance

My older brother is a bully

Etc etc ad nauseum.

If the marriage fails, R560, he may very well blame Meghan. If he ever sees through her bullshit he's going to be irrationally furious, he will absolutely freak out and give her all the scandal she needs to get everything she wants from a family court judge.

He is just monumentally messed up, and I don't think he's capable of enough insight to ever make real progress. Even if he spent the next 20 years in therapy I don't think he'll ever really change, just find new ways to express his dysfunction.

R558 that's really shocking. Meghan's a terrible actress. Can't even pretend to like her Ma.

I assume Ma gets paid for pretending to be close to her daughter who needs to show her adoring public there is at least ONE relative who doesn't openly hate her.

The paps got pics of Meghan's Ma walking her pitbulls in LA. Ma was screaming at the paps the police were gonna arrest them. Obviously, a royal sense of entitlement is infectious. This was at a time when supposedly Ma was babysitting the rugrats. She has pitbulls. Interesting.

As tacky and unprofessional as their entrance looked, does anyone wonder if they were merching for Hertz? I mean is there a single brand that is now more associated with the Sussexes than a car rental company? Her design choices are all over the map and she hasn't built a relationship with particular designer like the PoW has with Jenny Packham. Yup, a car rental company. Good going.

Meghan doesn't generate the kind of press that most designers want to be associated with. Plus, I can't imagine anyone would want to deal with her on a regular basis. There would be a constant demand for freebies and of course, Madame telling them how to design as she is an expert in all matters.

R563 maybe Meghan will team up with Tom Brady on Hertz commercials.

I think they were staying at Trump Tower, no wonder they wanted to keep it secret.

Well the NY Times and the Daily Beast have given up on trying to defend the Markles. Only Vanity Fair persists in promoting them. Vanity Fair certainly has fallen on hard times.

In this whole saga, the thing that genuinely surprises me is that there was such demand for pictures of Harry and Meghan that paps followed them after the ceremony. I get that back in 1997 there was a motivation for photographers to antagonize/chase Diana. She was the beautiful, fragile ex-wife of the future king.

But, Harry and Meghan? They are both older (and considerably less photogenic) than Diana. There already plenty of photos from the event, what’s the appeal of photos from the car ride? Middle-aged Harry scowling under his fluffy balding head. Meghan bolt upright with her usual perma-grin. Nothing new to see, really. I don’t get the demand for these photos.

I think there is more to come with this, likely some sort of pre-planned set up designed to create footage for a future documentary. The only demand for these photos - the only people that need them - that I can see is coming from inside the House of Sussex.

This whole episode stinks to high heaven of Prince Harry trying to get his IPP status reinstated by the Home Office so he can get taxpayers to fund his security. I'm sure the whole thing was coordinated by Meghan and her bodyguard bf.

r568 Well, that's the thing. The UK newspapers and television news are unable to use the footage from the taxi, for example, so the only places those pics could be sold would be to American and non-European media outlets. Of those, only the Americans would pay anything like good money for them, and even that is not a certainty.

In this instance, the taxi photos only became relatively "valuable" in light of the complaints made by the Sussexes about the events of the evening. They were not really valuable in and of themselves, but only became so once the complaint was made of a wild "near-catastrophic" car chase, at which point the visuals of the couple inside a random, inherently "unsafe" yellow taxi, sans seatbelts, Meghan smiling and mother asleep, become illustrative of the couple telling yet another verifiable lie.

Ironic, then, that the Sussexes "fled" the UK to "escape" the UK press, only to be "hounded" by paps trying to sell pics to the media outlets of the adopted homeland they chose as a "refuge" from the hounding media, and unable to sell pics to that of their "oppressive" homeland...

^^^^I meant to write European, not "non-European" outlets

Just from their statement it's obvious that: a) they want media coverage when it suits them ("While being a public figure comes with a level of interest from the public) and, b), yes, Harry was immediately trying to use the incident, or alleged incident, as part of his legal case to get the British government to provide security for him (“Dissemination of these images, given the ways in which they were obtained, encourages a highly intrusive practice that is dangerous to all in involved”).

Couple that with the fact that their rep called the photos the paps took of them entering and leaving the venue "some of the most beautiful images of the evening,” then it's pretty obvious that they want the paps to photograph them and also that Harry is deliberately exaggerating the incident so he can use it in court.

The paps will attempt to get "bad" pictures too.

For example, there are some pictures of the BRF kids sticking out their tongues. What is not shown is that the photographer will stick their tongue out at the kids in attempt to get the kids to reply in kind.

I think there are pictures (or perhaps video) of little Harry sticking his tongue while in the back seat of a car. Diana pulled him away from the window. Another of him doing the same while Diana holds him out on the BF balcony. Also similar pictures of older Harry.

There is also a similar picture of Charlotte, I think at some boat match. Kate looked down and saw her, laughed, and turned Charlotte and the pair went on their way.

So getting nasty pictures of H&M might be of value.

People who really do not want photos taken of them at sensitive events should borrow a technique that Elizabeth Taylor used when she was visiting Richard Burton's grave. She surrounded herself with people holding open umbrellas tilted to prevent anyone from actually seeing or photographing her.

How could the rep actually say, "some of the most beautiful images of the evening"?

That's insane. That's not how we talk about ourselves, our clients, our image.

That's actual, genuine narcissism.

r574 Because Meghan wrote it herself.

The Spectator. According to media bias check. A far right leaning publication which uses loaded words to appeal to the conservative crowd. It's become famous for its journalists who have espoused extremist views. Anti Muslim, Anti BLM, Anti trans, Anti Liberal, Anti Labour party. How surprising its used as a factual source.

As we've hit 575, I've started part 3

R568 Diana,like Marilyn Monroe,had "IT". The cameras loved her. Megs just cant admit to herself that cameras,like the rest of anyone who knew her,doesnt like her one iota. That aura Diana had cant be learned,or bought. You have it or you dont.

F576 The Spectator is an organ of the Tory Party. The Tory Party is far to the left of the most moderate Republican. US politics are extreme. The Tories are not. The tiny UKIP party is the equivalent of the GOP.

r576 The Spectator is one of the most famous publications in the history of English language publishing. IT is the oldest continuously published periodocal in the history of the world.

It publishes everyone from Guardian writers (Julie Bindel, Will Self) to longtime BBC stalwarts (Radio4's Rod Liddle, Sam Leith) to conservatives (Douglas Murray, Boris Johnson). Everyone from Prime Ministers to social workers can be found writing for the Spectator. The link between all these contributors is that the their POV is strong and the writing is better than nearly any other periodical being published today.

You and your unnamed "media bias" source can right fuck off into a much-deserved grease fire r576. I'm not giving up my Speccie subscription for ANYTHING.

R580 I think there is something calling itself the US Spectator which is a rightwing publication. Maybe the poster is confused.

Interestingly, the Tories have more black and brown and openly gay MPs than Labour does. Labour has turned into an extreme (and anti-Semitic) party for whiny white men. Thank you Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn. Harold Wilson must be spinning in his grave.

Pity the Lib Dems have gone extinct.

Why can’t UK newspapers/television use pap footage from the taxi per r570?

r581 The poster is certainly confused - or perhaps just intinctively bigoted. It is certainly intellectually limited - that is beyond doubt.

And very much agreed with the rest of your comment as well. Well said.

r582 Because they will get into hot water with the UK's media regulator.

R574, Ashley Hansen, described by the NYT as "a representative of the couple", told the NYT that “They were some of the most beautiful images of the evening” and a few minutes later sent some of the photos to the NYT by text message:

[quote]“They were some of the most beautiful images of the evening,” Ms. Hansen said, who minutes later produced a few of them by text message.

Some more on Ashley Hansen, Meghan and Harry's "global press secretary".

[quote]Prior to working with Meghan Markle and Prince Harry as their global press secretary, Ashley Momtaheni Hansen was the Vice President of Global Communications and Media Relations at the Universal Filmed Entertainment Group.

[quote]Her resume also includes positions at United Talent Agency, Annapurna Pictures and Good Morning America after starting her career at Warner Bros.

[quote]It was in May 2022 when news first broke that Hansen would take on the role of leading global communications for Meghan and Harry’s foundation Archewell before Miranda Barbot joined the communications team as director in December of last year.

Ashley Momtaheni Hansen was there that night. Where did she stay? A hotel? Or with the Harkles at their “friend”’s home? Where did Doria sleep? Surely the bodyguard/security was given a floor plan of their accommodations so they could make sure the liars were safe and secure. Gloria Steinem has a brownstone with a garden. Those buildings have multiple points of entry and access. How is that safer than a hotel that has security already, with cameras and guarded entrances?

Did she intern with John Barron?

r587 It's not safer. It's just cheaper.

Just to add to r585, Ashley Hansen, the Harkles' rep, condemned the paps, and then immediately praised the photos they took and sent them to at least one newspaper that we know of (the NYT), no doubt in the hope that they would publish the pap photos!

Good question, r587: where did Ashley stay, where did Doria stay, just how prepared were the Harkles' security people, why didn't they just take the easiest option of booking a couple of suites in a hotel (for which they would have been entitled to some reimbursement from Women of Vision and to tax credits) for them and their team?

Frau is confused about an event n tbe US affecting a court case in the UK. Do you understand they are different jurisdictions/legal systens/countries?

They are different jurisdictions but Harry was counting on a giant media uproar (in his favor) would influence the judge. Didn't work out.

Idiot at R592.

R585. She was right, the Hertz Rent A Car Sign is stunning!

[quote]They're the freaks holding digital birthday parties for "King Archie"

Her biggest fans are really cuckoo. I worry about their mental health.

[quote]This was at a time when supposedly Ma was babysitting the rugrats. She has pitbulls. Interesting.

The breed of choice with 'a certain subset' of dog owners.

Psycho at R593

I don't place any credence in body language readings of snapshots or gifs, but the clip at R558 really does look like she was pissed that mom was daring to ask a question when she was about to speak.

[quote] Meghan doesn't generate the kind of press that most designers want to be associated with.

If high-end designers are using Hayley Bieber, various Kardashians and ugly nepo brats, there's no reason not to use MM. She'd guarantee PR.

What's the possibility that Harry and Meghan were staying at Soho House in NYC? Meghan's friend Markus Anderson who works for Soho House and whom she'd been hiking with just a few days before, was at the Women of Vision event, as was her long-term friend Genevieve Hillis and her agent/publicist Jill Smoller.

They did, in fact, have a whole team of reps and friends there with them, and even then it ended in a publicity disaster for them. Meghan's reps and friends, that is - Harry is all on his own out there and has no one really from his own "team" to look out for him.

There's something very sleazy about this group that's around them, and they're certainly not helping them. Meghan's beaming team in this photo just underlines how the "award" was the result of a backroom deal.

This isn't Harry writing this the UK's Tucker Carlson your own Meghan obsessed Windsor shill Piers Morgan himself writing for his Daily Mirror in 1998. Before he came down with amnesia. As we've said many times you royalasst fraus are the thickest dolts on God's green earth. Even stupider than yank Fox Trumptard cultists.. Your beloved Piercy verifies everything Harry charged . Morgan's gonna have his fat flabby arse handed to him in court. Read it and weep you silly cows.