Are you offended by the word "transfag"?

You mean, by women.

Imagine a woman going through all the torture of taking dangerous hormones and mutilation just to find out it is hard to get some dick. Of course it would have been much easier if she just put on some high heels and slutty clothes and went to a club, she would get tons of dick.

I've never actually heard the term "transfag" before.

Unless I am misunderstanding this, and maybe I am, these are straight women, interested in being with men, who have transitioned to living as men and so who now term themselves as "gay men"? I can't see many "cis" gay men going for that, so I can understand the former's disappointment. I'd wager they are in for a lifetime of rejection on queer sites.

It's all so confusing.

its homophobic bullshit by women who should have been told no more in their lives. Also this part is halirous

[quote] There have been positive steps recently. “Because people have fought from without and within these apps” to push for change, Gieseking said. Grindr recognized the issues trans people were having on its app, which Tyra summed up as: “hostile to trans women in search of trans women, unsolicited dick pics and straight-up hate messages from cis gay men, and chasers aplenty.” In response, Grindr commissioned a pretty impressive whitepaper rethinking trans presence on the app.

So its a straight guy with AGP, who wants to fuck trannies, who is complaining about going on a gay mens app and not feeling 'welcome'? I dont even know where to begin with this shit

I hope you don't get carpal tunnel, OP, from grasping at straws.

[quote] “Because people have fought from without and within these apps” to push for change, Gieseking said.

Wait, is this a proper use of “without”?

R5 I'm not the one who wrote an article complaining about gay men who refuse to eat pussy.

Seems like there may be a niche in the market for a Trans dating app. That way anyone who is interested in dating a trans can find them, the Trans won't be disappointed on actual gay apps, and problem solved.

R7, but you are a right wing Nazi TERF cunt!

I can't take these people seriously. I've really tried, but they're simply mentally ill.

[quote] On a trip to Los Angeles, feeling frisky, free and full of vacation vibes, we put up an ad on Lex, a text-based platform for queer people of all genders besides cis men.

It looks like there’s already an app just for trans. No cissies allowed.

r11 To the latter's great relief, I'm sure.

I am offended.

But not one degree more than the term "TransNigger."

Gender ideology is simply one of the most homophobic modern belief systems there is.

It's a sick joke that we're tied at the hip with these gay-hating freaks.

Apps like Grindr and Scruff etc are gay apps, not queer apps. I don’t even know “queer” really means; it’s a nebulous and frankly offensive label. Nobody logs onto Grindr looking for vagina. The trans people need to create their own apps/community/movement.

It was kinda funny when an actual lesbian discovered the profile for the founder of the HER app on a competing platform.

The HER app founder is in an all out war against actual lesbians who refuse to accept people with penises (transbians) into their dating pool. A few weeks ago she told lesbians to leave the HER platform if they don't like lady-cock.

Well, they did leave the platform and now the HER app is just men in wigs/lipstick/bad frocks.

This is just grotesque. No wonder we hate the trannys.

You cannot imagine how quickly my hands work to block every trans profile within my line of sight on Grindr.

R6: yes. It’s often seen in academic writing, especially those from the social sciences

Isn't there a filter, r18? Why do have to block them by hand?

R20 Filtering them out is twansphobic.

[quote] You cannot imagine how quickly my hands work to block every trans profile within my line of sight on Grindr.

Tell me your transphobic without telling me your transphobic.

R22 Tell me you don't fuck women, by blocking women on Grindr.

Ah, r21. I see.

What a ridiculous state of affairs.

You're so close to getting it, r10.

The media drags out the most stereotypical, exasperating, idiotic, extremist outliers in any given group and gives them a platform to make you think everyone in that group is just like this.

If Grindr wants to change their product or business model to make it more trans friendly, that's fine. That's business. Boycott them if you want (not speaking to you directly about this r10 but DLers in general, the "boycotting doesn't work" types are probably also the "boycott Bud Light and Grindr because trans" types).

But it's also business for the media to gin up outrage and shock over things like this that are vanishingly rare and basically irrelevant to the world at large.

Welcome to capitalism. You'll figure it out eventually.

The bigot in this thread who is telling gay men that it's "transphobic" to block people with vaginas from their grindr search is a full-on gay-hating freak.

Imagine telling a straight guy that he's "transphobic" for filtering out people with penises in his dating searches. That would be crazy.

But the trans community thinks so little of gay men that they feel that they can call us bigots and transphobes for our innate sexual orientation. And they feel as if they can dictate who we can date.

These gender ideology proponents are pretty much the same crowd as the ones in decades past who told us to get with women and be heterosexual.

This whole phenomenon of "women identifying as men trying to lure gay men into sex" is something that only seems to happen in the US. I have never seen, or heard about, it on this side of the pond.

Disturbing, to say the least.

Offended? Well, that's a start.

[quote] Imagine telling a straight guy that he's "transphobic" for filtering out people with penises in his dating searches. That would be crazy.

Well, he would be. Straight men date women. Transwomen = women. So there is no issue. To discriminate is wrong and transphobic.

R29 = Tranny Troll.

The article didn't mention trans women of color! The erasure! The transmisogynoir!

Why would gay men participate in “queer dating apps”?

Never heard of it, OP making shit up again

OP provided a link to the Huffington Post replete with names and interviews.

I think it is you, r33, who is making things up.

[QUOTE]Well, he would be. Straight men date women. Transwomen = women. So there is no issue. To discriminate is wrong and transphobic.

Try telling that to straight men and see how far you get...

I am offended by it because I really hate the 'f' word so much. I think because it was said with the utmost vile hatred when I was in high school - the lowest of the low of all insults.

[quote] Try telling that to straight men and see how far you get...

Who cares what transphobic straight men think? You think just because they’re transphobic, they’re not homophobic too? They hate you too. But keep kissing up to them.

R37 Didn't sound like that poster was kissing up to them

Calling yourself "transfag" just screams "I want to be impressed and excluded so badly so I can whine about on Huffpost. And the transphobic-troll can fuck right off. Gay men want to fuck men, not women with a self-mutilation fetish.

[quote]Who cares what transphobic straight men think? You think just because they’re transphobic, they’re not homophobic too? They hate you too. But keep kissing up to them.

This same poster probably demeans transracials, transhandicaps, ex-gays. Claims they’re not black, not disabled, not straight. I would be very impressed if they didn’t, however. If they supported these very stigmatized identities.

r37 The Bud Light rainbow and pride campaigns never raised so much as a murmur among the straights. They kept right on drinking it quite happily.

It took Bud Light using a Trans for advertising that has seen the brand explode like the Hindenberg.

The straights don't hate the LGB nearly as much as they hate the T. Which puts straights pretty much on the same page as the majority of the LGB in terms of how they feel about the T.

R39 "oppressed" of course. Oh dear!

This article is a barely coherent tapestry of grievances and entitlement. The first couple, the two hetero women roleplaying as gay men, are complaining about a lack of interest in T4T sex on apps, and seem to think that's anyone else's problem. It's maddening that they don't recognise that it's their issue to deal with, and has nothing to do with any other group, least of all "CIS white men", who are apparently somehow to blame.

I direct TransFAT directly at OP.

[quote] This same poster probably demeans transracials, transhandicaps, ex-gays. Claims they’re not black, not disabled, not straight. I would be very impressed if they didn’t, however. If they supported these very stigmatized identities.

Why would I support those fake identity’s? Those people need to see a psychiatrist cause they’re obviously mentally ill.

From the article: [quote] I then could choose what kinds of connections I was looking for. I selected several, including “threesomes.” It asked me to narrow the kinds of threesomes I was looking for down even further, giving me the options “MMF,” “FFM,” “FFF,” and “MMM.” At that point, I closed the app. None of those gender markers fit my identity as a nonbinary person, meaning I didn’t exist in the options at all. I also don’t sleep with cis people, so even though my partner is a man, he is trans, which is an important distinction for me. Where was the “T4T” option?

"I also don't sleep with cis people": I thought categorically excluding trans from a dating / sex pool was transphobic? But nobody's calling the article author out. Exclusivity for me, but not for thee.

Why would there be any widespread engagement between transwomen and gay men on Grindr, as one of these people claims? I think the vast majority of gay men would just ignore them, right? The vast majority of gay men are there for sex.

Never heard of this term. It's all very confusing.

If you have a vagina and breasts, you are not a gay man.

It is anti-gay.

[quote]Are you offended by the word "transfag"?

No, but I'm offended by you, you trolling cunt.

“I don’t sleep with cis people” - oh the edge lord of it all

These people are emotional toddlers

I think a lot of the trans on DL are actually teenagers. Their arguments are always so childish. Most of them are probably transmen (women claiming to be gay men or something)

No trans here, only gay men (mostly). White gay men.

There are some trans people here. One very (YouTube) famous transwoman was recently banned here as a troll.

[quote] The straights don't hate the LGB nearly as much as they hate the T. Which puts straights pretty much on the same page as the majority of the LGB in terms of how they feel about the T.

🎶Even babies raised by wolves can tell/exactly when they’ve been used...

There are no transgender people on DL R51. Zero. They all left many years ago and won't come here because of the way that you vilify them and shit all over them and relentlessly mock them in thread after thread on DL all saying the same repeated nasty hateful things. Why would any of them be here? For you to dish shit at them?

You are told this over and over again and yet you still "pretend" that it's a great big fucking surprise to you and to all the other trans-hate trolls here like you who are literally obsessed with transgender people and everything they say or do or may do. More that last one. May do.

I'm a gay man and I hope you fucking die. I can't stand the way you talk about them. I'd love to meet you in real life and have the "discussion" you trolls are always so desperate to have on here with DLers.

Also - I hook-up on Grindr quite a bit and only one time has a transgender FTM person contacted me to ask if I was interested in meeting up. I politely said I wasn't and he said thank you for being honest and that was the end of it. No histrionics or death threats or any other drama. None of the shit that you rancid trolls make up ever happens in real life. Just in your obsessed, unhinged imaginations. Nobody on the planet uses the word "transfag" except for a couple of outlandish extremist attention seekers with 9 Twitter followers who should just be ignored. Exactly like we just completely ignore you.

Now just fuck off with your constant lies and made up garbage you shitty little rabid cunt trolls.

Who R53?

I'm not really offended by any buzzwords.

Both sides seem as bad as each other. You've got some trans rights activists who get angry when gay men say they won't have sex with a trans man, which is clearly extreme as it's up to each person who they do or don't sleep with.

But then there are also gay men who are rabidly transphobic. An acquaintance of mine (he's not close enough to be called a friend) seems to have taken it upon himself to taken up the mantle for the 'gender critical' movement and thinks nothing of besmirching trans people and putting them all all the banner of being 'pervs'. Yet if anyone was homophobic towards him, he'd hit the roof.

There needs to be some middle ground or we'll never progress.

[quote]There needs to be some middle ground or we'll never progress.

Yeah right.

[quote]This same poster probably demeans transracials, transhandicaps, ex-gays. Claims they’re not black, not disabled, not straight. I would be very impressed if they didn’t, however. If they supported these very stigmatized identities.

[quote]Why would I support those fake identity’s? Those people need to see a psychiatrist cause they’re obviously mentally ill.

[quote]I'm a gay man and I hope you fucking die.

Words don't offend me.

So, now we go from NY Post outrage to HuffPo outrage.

Charming.

As with the other, this thread needs more cock.

r55 Claims to be "a gay man", but writes, at length, just like an angry woman on hormones.

Perhaps it is one of the Transmen trolls on here?

R55 "I'm a gay man and I hope you fucking die."

Well, you certainly sound stable.

It’s just trans. There’s no woman or man.

Block R55 and watch half the thread disappear.

The only ones who have the right to complain about gay men not wanting to eat their pussies are wives and girlfriends of closet cases.

The T is destroying LGB . It’s dire at this point

R66 The T is getting desperate because they are seeing people are fed up with their shit. the more people turn away from them the louder they scream. They are basically toddlers.

OMG, this article! Fellow gay men, this isn’t normal at all. I think because it’s come on so gradually, by way of social media, that we just accept it. As someone who’s been in a verbally abusive relationship with an alcoholic, the progression of the abuse is similar. Our organizations are against us. They do not speak for you. They’re gaslighting us into believing that there’s something wrong with us, homosexuals, for not being sexually oriented toward mutilated females hopped up on testosterone. Take to the streets for this nightmare being hoisted upon us.

My college age niece has a de-transitioning FTM friend. She’s heterosexual. This past weekend I got to meet her. This is a girl that was molested as a child and was diagnosed as bipolar several years ago. She started her process back in 2013. The approval process for the program was easy. Now, because she never had her ovaries removed, she has 30% higher chance of developing ovarian cancer. She doesn’t appear to have developed breast. She has facial hair. She barely looks like a girl. I don’t know what the rest of life will be like for her. Stop! Stop supporting this! Stop enabling this! Stop! Gay men with sense, make your voices heard that you are NOT associated with this.

Stop lying R64 you sack of rancid shit. I've posted 1 time in this entire thread at R55. Very easy to prove in my posting history. Why make up stupid crap that's easily disproved R64?

I'm the Australian guy who fucking loathes you anti-trans cunts who post the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. You all know me. This thread will be gone soon anyway.

From now on I'm going to post in these anti-trans threads with my authenticated name so cunts like R64 find it more difficult to make up bullshit.

I'm A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby and I'm also R55. Fuck all of you cunts.

[quote]I'm the Australian guy

That explains it. Not American. This is why Datalounge needs to block usage from other countries.

R69 I hope you switch medication

The red flag for me is when a trans person then prefers the sex of the identity they've transitioned into. It reads as fetish. Whereas more traditional and (probably legit) trans tend to go for the opposite sex of the gender they've "chosen" to be.

Tough shit R70. Half of DL will be gone including the lying cunt at R64 who is one of your most dedicated fellow trans-hate trolls.

What a banal and pointless comment R71. At least post a decent fucking insult.

It boils down to this: I'm not the one being repeatedly red tagged and banned and all my threads deleted. You trolls are. I'm also not responsible for all the primetime we've had in an attempt by the site owners to give you are warning and to get rid of you. You are. All us normal DLers don't want you here and the site owners obviously don't want you here either. 1 month of primetime over Xmas/New Year this year and another couple of weeks recently.

It's very clear what the problem here is as much as you all pretend and act all surprised. You're just a pack of nasty trolls. Fuck all of you.

R73 Why will half DL be gone, precious? Why?

And R70 if you ban all the internationals, I think it will get pretty boring around here.

[quote]Tough shit [R70]. Half of DL will be gone including the lying cunt at [R64] who is one of your most dedicated fellow trans-hate trolls.

I think it’s a good idea, if not blocking, then implementing where the user is from in the signature (Anonymous-US, Anonymous-UK, Anonymous-Australia, Anonymous-Middle East). I think that will deter a lot of engagement with trolls. I know that BloodDragon or PoisonDragon (I could have the names mixed up, but he’s a regular) is from the UK and he posts a lot of anti-American stuff, a lot of pro-trans, defends Islam, many things that undermine and hurt gay men and women in the US, I don’t interact with him. Even if he replies to my posts, I don’t respond back. I think the country identifier will help the trollery around here. I guarantee that most of the posters here who are pro-trans and pro-Islam aren’t even American, meanwhile I’m thinking US gays have lost their minds with the posts I read

[quote]That explains it. Not American. This is why Datalounge needs to block usage from other countries. From R70

Because R74 - half of DL's traffic is foreign including you kutwijf.

Ah, you meant to write “WOULD” be gone. And here I thought you were really Australian.

This thread shows the extremes of both sides. From trans rights activists wishing death on gay men, to right wing Republicans.

Both ends are odd.

I don't care what you think or believe R77.

I've told you who I am - which is a lot more than any of you lying cunts have done - if you choose not to believe me then I'm not going to lose any sleep over what you, or any of the other nasty anti-trans troll cunts on DL think of me. I've been here since 2004 and I'm not going anywhere. Suck it.

Do you date trannies, R79?

I’m not offended by the word fag but I would absolutely be offended by ‘trans’ anything. I object to being called a translator or trans-Atlantic partner. I’m an interpreter and American colleague…because I don’t have a psychiatric disorder or an obsessive need for attention.

“Maybe it’s you and not everyone else!”

I am on all the hookup apps. No offense to the trans community, but I am a gay man interested in men, so I am not interested in seeing females or fems. Don't be offended if I don't respond to you or if I choose to block you.

[quote]If you have a vagina and breasts, you are not a gay man.

If you have a vagina and you used to have breasts, you are still not a gay man.

[quote] If you have a vagina and you used to have breasts, you are still not a gay man.

If you have a vagina and you used to have breasts, you are still not a man.

I’m reply 68. The “T” was included in the gay and lesbian alliance of our movement because they gay men or lesbians who took it to the extreme. Straight men and women who become trans is something not associated with gay and lesbian. This is why the “T” has to go off and contend with this on their own. Gay men and lesbians being told that we’re a problem for not being sexually oriented toward women who now say they’re gay men or men now saying they’re lesbians is an abomination to us. Gay men and lesbians had to deal with very public affirmations and claims that they could be “converted” to being heterosexual. As a teenager, a young budding homosexual, it made my self acceptance that much harder. And then, finally, when I got to go to my first gay bar and my first interaction with the the gay scene in the mid 90s, having to deal with so many of the gay men I met claiming to be either bi or no label. Why? Because that that’s what was in fashion in our scene and being pushed pushed by The Advocate or Genre. R78 and R79 are wrong. Claiming that we, gay men, are wrong for calling out what is being done in our name, and that we’re “equally bad” as those gaslighting us. Turn away from them. Defending yourselves, protecting yourselves, isn’t the same as being railroaded by trans. I repeat, a movement of heterosexual men claiming to be lesbians and heterosexual women claiming to be gay men, is an affront to YOU (gay men and lesbians).

R80 - what did I clearly say in my post at R55? A post you obviously didn't read. You know the post where you made up a lie and said if you blocked me half the thread would disappear... When in actual fact it was my first post in this entire thread.

This is what you said "Block [R55] and watch half the thread disappear".—Dutchie R64.

Not that it's any of your business but no, I do not date transgender people. I am a gay male who is only attracted to other biological males. However, I can find a way to speak to transgender people without shitting all over them as I explained in my post about being approached on Grindr by a transgender FTM person at R55 which you clearly didn't read but you had a lot to say about the post didn't you. But you didn't read it.

Ahh, the author is the same they/them who authored this piece about Lia Thomas and how 'the transphobia in the swimming world is rooted in white supremacy':

Can't I just continue ignoring these lunatics the way I've been doing?

I'm mildly surprised that Gaby Dunn and Drew Gregory (of Gaby and Drew's Wild & Wacky & Faggoty Adventures) weren't interviewed for this article.

[quote]Seems like there may be a niche in the market for a Trans dating app.

Most trans people are not interested in dating/having-sex-with other trans people.

They may guilt others into tweeting "trans women/men are women/men" but they don't seem to believe that themselves.

Hence the coercion of "cis" women/men into having sex with them. I find it very rapey.

Ever notice how when an OP provides proof written by trans people themselves that eventually the T’a and their supporters shout TROLL and NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS.

I mean, the op used trans’ own words.

Proof they are all homophobes.

Trans should all be rounded up and put in concentration camps.

Straight women wanting to be gay men is nothing new, it's just that now the medical industry supports them in their delusion. I first read about them 20 years ago when they called themselves 'girlfags.'

These troublesome trans folks, of which I hope are only a few, seem to hold as a set in stone belief that gender is only a social construct that can be switched at will, and not an immutable physical property inherent to every being on the planet.

As a result, us gay people who are only sexually attracted to our own gender are considered gender criminals. We are a problem, because we are socially-liberal sexually-open individuals who are *still only* attracted to our own gender, so our existence disproves their most-sacred tenet that gender doesn’t exist and should be considered irrelevant.

Their agenda is inherently homophobic. To try and shame gay people for who we are attracted to is exactly what the straights do. Perhaps it’s time for trans to leave our movement because they are not gay-friendly at all as long as they continue to condemn and shame us for who we are attracted to.

It’s crazy that they have gained so much prominence in gay organizations to the point that they are banning long time gay-allies from Pride Events! The gay community has bent over backwards to include them only to be met with irrational homophobic anger from the jerks in this article. They’ve become so militant and divisive that we’ve even got gay men here wishing death on each other for not adhering to the latest trans ideology. Insanity.

As much as I hate that the trans community has become such a target of the far-right and Russian troll-farms, I do wish they would just leave us gays alone and go do their own thing. They are not gay allies as long as they refuse to respect us and our sexual desires as they are.

[quote]Trans should all be rounded up and put in concentration camps.

I'm a gay guy who's as fed up with the trans activists as anyone here, but statements like this are disgusting and also truly stupid.

Fairly sure that's a trans 'would-be' parody post, R96.

It's almost as if calling yourself something isn't enough to make it true!

Now I know how our lesbian sisters feel.

100! My front hole stinks!

The hatred you speak of is all in your trollish simple little mind OP.

R94 I vaguely remember that, but I do remember. I also remember the topic being somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I also remember it annoying me. I’ve always had female friends and strongly appreciate the women in my life. That being said, men in general, and gay men in particular, need their own spaces and identities (not talking in the sense of the identity politics we’re dealing with today, but rather our natural and organic identities). Now though it goes beyond just being “annoyed” to being downright attacked for my homosexuality by organizations and publications that were previously at least pretending to defend it.

Reply 102 here going back critique my own post. How many damn times do I have to repeat “remember”?! Good God!

R56: Contrapoints was recently banned here. She is designated as "troll 6055"

Contrapoints the straight man who takes female hormones, dresses as a woman, and only dates straight woman? That Contrapoints?

ContraPoints the former pseudo-bisexual turned committed translesbian.

[quote] Contrapoints was recently banned here. She is designated as "troll 6055"

How did this come to light?

I was wondering that too, r107. Maybe that poster was just guessing.

It's pure speculation that Contrapoints posted on DL.

A few months ago, some deluded queen thought that the woman behind the libs of tiktok account was a regular poster on DL.

These troons/troon haters have probably never even heard of this ancient gossip platform.

The only people on data lounge these days are a few random homosexuals at the retirement home, people with AOL email accounts, one insane meth-addicted MtF tranny who never sleeps, some random prisoners, JizLane Maxwell, Sherwood Schwartz, Randolph Mantooth, Chaka Khan's gardener, and one of the African kids that Madonna adopted.

Contra came in to comment on a couple of threads about her, presumably due to Google alerts. If you know her well, check "troll 6055" and you'll see it's her.

R110 How do you search for that?

I just typed in "troll 6055" in the search bar and there were no results.

r106 same with the rumoured guy she tried to be 'straight' for; philopsophytube.

Anyway, a quick look at this lady's work/twitter and holy fuck she is getting on Gaby Dunn level of insanity. These women are just acting out the next iteration of BPD attention seeking mug cradling. She was/ is such a frau, in that specific and unhinged way. Label grabbing, saying anything and everything - recently cut off her 'toxic' mother? Check. frau home decor? check. Ugly, but showing skin photos fishing for compliments? check. (Does the tattoo on her stomach say MILF? I think it does but I might be wrong) Self diagnosed mental and health issues? check. Moral grandstanding and histrionic rants? check. Frankie De La Cretaz (formerly Britni) talking about being a girly girl and only liking shopping and malls and her HUSBAND in 2015

Then in 2017 bitching about Gay Super Bowl being sexist as it focused on gay men in 2017. Doesnt care about science; its all about muh feelz; [quote] The longer I write about trans inclusion in sports, the less willing I am to debate the science or ideas of advantage or fairness. They’re all straw man arguments. At the end of the day what we are actually talking about are human rights, & those should outweigh everything else.

The thing about these women is just the sheer absurdity of their lives and yet they get to write for prominent media platforms denouncing everyone and everything while claiming to be everyone and everything. She (despite earlier having a husband and now a FTM partner - or is that the same person? Im not too sure) recently tweeted ‘every time I watch a tv show about straight dating im like do all men suck this much or am I a lesbian?’

So she is a lesbian, queer, trans, non binary, transmasc, wife, mother, gay man etc All those she currently identifies as (if you take her word for it) - these aren’t historic or former labels, she claims all of them.

Did Contra and Philosophy Tube have an affair? Isn't he AGP trans now too?

R88 I don't think they've been helped by the fact the movement against trans swimmers has been largely spearheaded by Riley Gaines in the US. Who, let's face it, seems to be a MAGA, bible thumping, Fox News loving Republican.

I think people like her harm the gender critical movement, because it associates it with the right wing fundies. And I know there are plenty of people who are gender critical, but aren't any of the other things, they're just concerned about women's safety.

r114 'affair'? lol. They definitely fucked. PT came out as queer/bisexual at the time (and talked about how sucking tranny dick was not gay at all as he has sucked mens dicks and its not the same hur durr). Something happened, some say he sexually assaulted her, but im guessing he confessed he was also a 'trans woman deep down' and it really broke contra as it destroyed their fantasy of this masc str8 guy. Contra then came out as a 'lesbian' and at the same time PT started taking hormones. Contra has never acknowledged PT's transition.

R116: Wow I never knew any of this. Where can I read more?

Not sure. Ive just spent time on the internet *shrugs* Kiwifarms probably, no im sure they do, have threads on this sort of stuff but thats not my scene.

R96, that post was from a pro-trans poster under a different account. They have one post. Don’t fall for it, people should not WW it. It’s a trap.

Some of these fucking women are worse than the men who larp as women. They're incredibly self righteous and won't be reasoned with. I hate to cast aspersions on a kid but Chloe Cole is pretty obnoxious and as angry as she is about "what was done to her" I guarantee she would not be told no.

There's an entire generation roleplaying as "trans men" online because they want the ability to say slurs toward gay men without being dragged by their peers. Look into a lot of these "trans fags" and you'll see they have a combination of factors: autistic, interest in yaoi, awkward socially, middle class white Plain Jane types, laundry list of mental illnesses.

Jobs and touching grass can help a lot of these people. I listened to a mom talk about her ftm daughter and how she made her get a job and a life and the girl didn't have time to lament on tik tok anymore and actually had outside interests and a life based on not acting oppressed, she detransitioned.

R122 You mean having something else other than your sexuality and gender as part of your identity?

R123 Yes! That is exactly what I mean.

R122, I have a great and similar story about this. A friend's daughter also declared one day a year ago that she is trans - with no prior notice - at age 18, and the mother scheduled an appointment with the dau's therapist, who also said this had never come up in years of therapy. They determined it was a sort of means to postpone growing up.

So a team session was scheduled, including another friend of the mom and dau, where mom explained to her daughter she could trans it up as much as she wanted, but she'd have to get a job with good health insurance to pay for the hormones, therapy and surgeries. Then the friend, a breast cancer survivor with a double radical masectomy, told the daughter how painful and disfiguring it is to have your tits chopped off, and bared her chest in the session.

And her daughter gave up the plan.

[quote]There's an entire generation roleplaying as "trans men" online because they want the ability to say slurs toward gay men without being dragged by their peers.

You're not wrong, but I wonder why these autistic, socially awkward, yaoi obsessed young girls are doing this, what their motivation is and why they chose us as a target to LARP as (and also insult at the same time)? I can sort of understand their wanting to escape the burden of being female in today's world, but it's obvious they have no idea what they're doing when they try to be 'gay guys'. They think all it takes is to inject T, cut off your hair and your tits, and to call yourself a "fag".

R122 Finally! Someone give that momma an award.

Troll 6055 is the Sheila Jeffreys troll (the one who would post links to videos and papers about and/or from 'political lesbians') who came off as more than a bit odd - it would be pretty funny if that troll was indeed Contrapoints.

6055 absolutely is ContraPoints.

R129 How do we search for those comments?

I tried searching for "troll 6055" and there were no results.

Are we supposed to just take your word?

Oh for god's sake use your brain. Why don't you start by searching for threads about ContraPoints, scroll through them and you'll see posts by troll 6055. From there you should know how to find them all.

I did a search for threads that mentioned Contrapoints by name, and weren't nuked by Muriel. Then I did a find on page search for "troll 6055".

Here's one. Troll 6055 posted [italic]48 times[/italic] in the thread.

I went through that thread and I'm pretty sure contra-ladycock is not troll 6055.

6055 is the Sheila Jeffries nutjob. He's obsessed with her.

Well if you got your impressions from that thread alone, then you're wrong. It's her.

Lol, those responses do kind of sound like contra lmao. Thats actually hysterical if he posts on here - this boomer gay site. He is more 4 chan coded (and did post there extensively). But then again, he has always had a weird, tangential, relationship with gay men. Prior to transition (when he was an atheist YouTuber - which half the YouTube trannys were. The pipeline of fedora wearing atheist neckbeards to AGP trans is a strong one.....anyway) he used to do little skits where he would play pretend at being gay and call himself a twink 'ironically'.

Like I said he initially appeared on here to comment on posts about him. I assume he found this site via Google alerts. I clocked him a long time ago and have been quietly watching. Like a bird watcher that didn't want to make a noise and cause his subject fly away. But now he's banned I am happy to say, yes it's him. It's a pity that some of the threads he was most active in were deleted by Muriel.

yeah, this is such a contra way of saying something......

[quote] Let's put this way, do you feel the subject of this thread is defending trans or pointing out the uncomfortable alliances, perhaps primary (or secondary) motives of said groups... this deal with the devil so to speak that grants them power over a vulnerable community, one which they routinely attack and rarely interject any so called progressive, liberal or even feminist values upon their rightwing counterparts? Will you always side step any allegation with a refocus towards trans and screaming don't look behind the curtain because Trump or a similar proxy has you by the pussy?

He had a lot to say here in the deleted threads about TERF lesbians, although not abusive or violent, just deeply, and perhaps obsessively, critical. It was a bit of a running theme. The rejection by actual lesbians clearly cuts him deeply, some would say that's standard AGP narcissistic rage in action. I do like him though. He's one of the few likeable AGPs on YouTube.

Contrapoints, like the Philosophy Tube guy, and Grace Lavery, and Andrea Long Chu, are straight, privileged white guys who realized that to get ahead in woke circles (academia, publishing, social media) that look down on white men they needed a shtick, so they glommed on to the trans trend. They made their fetish (autogynephilia) their personality and built a career around it. I suspect that these men will quietly detransition when the trans trend ends.

I can't see Contra detransitioning, because it would come at a significant cost, and not just in terms of losing her cash cow stans. She's had significant facial feminisation surgery, she's lost her male voice, and god knows what else in going on downstairs. It's very hard to walk that kind of stuff back.

r138 I see-saw. Sometimes there is insight and self awareness, other times its just an hour long tangent on a position that he straw mans in the first place. Like the video where he comes out as a lesbian is hysterical to me. Most of the video is an attempt to dismiss AGP and frame it as a slur used to hinder transwomen from coming out as lesbians, but instead all the video does is illustrate (to me) perfectly why he is an AGP. Its so perfect in that regard. Chefs kiss. But I see why he has been so popular and is, as you say, the best in his niche. I mean PhilosophyTube isnt just the poor mans version, there is something so -um, unnerving?- about him. I also think thats a reason why CP has cut ties with PT; just the sheer blatant rip- off of her video aesthetics much be galling. As I said in previous posts, I remember when he was a atheist YouTuber, long before he came out as trans

r139 I dont quite agree with the last sentence. Is this a fetish or a paraphilia? Yeah, I guess so. But its as strong and central to their sexuality as a suspect my homosexuality is to me. AGPs have existed and transitioned for many years, long before it was 'popular' or a 'trend', though it has become easier for sure. But these guys, now that have publicly left the identity of the cis str8 man that they were prior to transition (or often weird nerdy bi guys who only dated women or trans), arent likely to go back to that even if they could fully reverse the medical stuff. The dam is broken.

r140 yeah I always find it fascinating when I hear people proclaim all these trans people will detrans - some might, but its unlikely, Its more how many people will eventually become unhappy or disillusioned with the choices they have made more than fully detrans. A significant (but I dont want to over sell it) number of older trans people (who have transitioned for a number of years that is, not 55 year olds who transitioned at 50) become less rigid and obsessive about being seen as litterally the opposite sex and become a bit more self aware in terms of reality.

R141: Agreed. The AGP episode is the only one of her's that I categorise as an out and out fail. And the reason for that is clear; her reasoning and self awareness fail her on that subject, because everything in her life comes tumbling down if she concedes she is AGP.

When I was stealthily interacting with her here in a deleted thread I did make a comment about AGP men and she had an interesting response that didn't read like a denial. So who knows what she privately thinks now.

[quote]There's an entire generation roleplaying as "trans men" online because they want the ability to say slurs toward gay men without being dragged by their peers.

Something I've noticed with the people who post on DL is that none of them can identify trolls, nor can they accurately estimate the numbers of people they're talking about.

An entire generation? Tens of millions of people? No. You've seen maybe 50 trolls, assholes, and/or confused people online and have exaggerated their reach, importance, and numbers.

I also have to say that DL is the weirdest place to complain about this kind of thing. DL exists mostly so people have an excuse to post slurs. Every day there are dozens of threads specifically posted so someone can post racist slurs, antisemitic tropes, MRA-level sexist attacks, suggestions about how to kill immigrants or the homeless, etc.

"Someone pretending to be trans just so they can say 'faggot' on Twitter" is no different than "Someone pretending to be a black supremacist so they can say 'AIDS-ridden faggot' on DL" and I don't know why you think otherwise.

[quote'"Someone pretending to be trans just so they can say 'faggot' on Twitter" is no different than "Someone pretending to be a black supremacist so they can say 'AIDS-ridden faggot' on DL" and I don't know why you think otherwise.

Except one IS just an anonymous troll, while the other are often real life people. Sadie Doyle is a *real* woman who *really* calls herself a gay man, who *really* writes horrible things about actual gay men for *real* money, from *real* publications etc etc

[quote]A significant... number of older trans people (who have transitioned for a number of years that is, not 55 year olds who transitioned at 50) become less rigid and obsessive about being seen as literally the opposite sex and become a bit more self aware in terms of reality.

See: Alexis Arquette

He got too old, poor and sick for all his LARPing.

Did Alexis have the chop?

I refuse to believe gay men are that obsessed about trans women.

If this thread is full of gay men indeed, then, there's something very wrong with American gay men. Jealousy of trans people? Frustration that they didn't have the courage to transition?

I see most posters on this thread as nothing but trolls, autistic obsessed trolls.

Taking offence at women calling themselves gay men and being paid by publications to shit on us, is being 'obsessive'? Jog the fuck on then.

"Frustration that they didn't have the courage to transition?" Yeah cause gay men are just troons who are scared to get a dick chop.

Many DLers, and many stunning and brave women believe this:

[quote] Many DLers, and many stunning and brave women believe this

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Why r147 you are a caution!

This trope that gays and lesbians "just don't have the courage to transition" is the the most shamelessly homophobic shit I've heard in literally decades. Gender ideology is reactionary hatred of gays and lesbians.

It's the new conversion therapy.

I just pretend trannies don't exist. Hopefully they aren't in my path because I'll walk right through their wimpy asses. They can spend their own money that they never have on their own things. Maybe even find their own districts. Non humans.

I can see right through your bull shit R153

Specially when so many 'lesbians' apparently don't know themselves the difference between a butch macho lesbian and a trans dude.

You can all fuck off, because I have been gay for the past twenty years and it has never occurred to me to constantly shit on trans people or to suddenly act like they were the ones making my life hard and miserable when they are usually super supportive of gay men and LGBTQ rights.

This obsessive interest in trashing them and promoting this culture war is a sign that you're all either fucking nasty trolls or frustrated people who should've transitioned and calmed the fuck down long time ago.

Fuck off with your extremely FAKE concern about homophobia troll R148.

Republicans are out there calling us groomers AKA pedophiles and telling the world that we are crazy and we are going to destroy society and their families; which is nothing but HATE speech that is being used to make society rejects more than it did back in the 80s.

And what do you pathetic trolls do?

You have been coming here day and night for the past four years to cry about trans, to start threads bashing trans to say 'trans' this, trans that, trans,trans, trans,trans... While defending cisgender heterosexuals who couldn't care less wether you love or die.

Take a look at R157 and her DL history.

He/she claims to have been here for years, yet has a very recent posting history.

This is because she's been red-tagged many, many times in the past and cannot maintain a regular account due to the fact that she's unable to control her temper and contempt for actual gay men.

She's also very bitter about the arm-skin "neo-penis" that is literally rotting between her legs.

There's a reason why you never see those things in porn.

Look at the pathetic troll R158 who keeps up voting herself, typical autistic Frau with no life who spend her days on the web obsessing about trans people and pretending to be gay men while we know she is definitely NOT.

She is also a dumbcunt, I've been here for a couple of years, but DL was rebooted in late 2022, and that's why several older threads were deleted and I had to re-register even though I only had one account here on DL.

And stalk other's posts? Typical troll who needs to be sent back to Reddit/Breitbart immediately.

Last but not least, no REAL gay dude who has any concern for his future or any intelligence in his brain would ever rather vilify trans people day and nightz while defending republicans or pretending not to know that CONSERVATIVES are the real threat.

*stalking

r157 Oh shut up. And half the point here is that THEY ARE HETEROSEXUALS you absolute fucking knob. These are str8s calling themselves gay men. How the FUCK does a female 'know' she is a gay man? You ludicrous TROLL.

The point is you radfraus coming here on this website to constantly blab some nonsense about transgenders, as if we wanted to read your crap.

Hint : we DON'T, fuck off to Breitbart and stop thinking we are that concerned about how trans people want to live their lives; we are gay dudes meaning we are not overly dramatic and obsessed about one single subject like you fraus radicalized by Twitter.

You are all annoying and no self-respecting LGBTT person will ever agree with you regardless of how many troll threads you start.

And how does a trans man know he's a guy?

Geez, probably the same way a republican sad frau knows she is not a lesbian, or the same way a gay guy knows he is gay and not straight. Their brain tells them!

I get it that the concept is too hard for you dumb conservatives to grasp, but people don't actually need to ask others how they feel, or what their plans are, or what they want to do with their own lives; simply because they know their own answers, their brains tell them everything they need to know about themselves.

But of course church loving fraus, who are always asking for guidance and counseling by their pastors, or by some feminist nutjob on Twitter wouldn't know anything about that.

[quote] The hatred directed at actual gay men by young "transmen" is off the charts.

Yes, but since they’re FtM not MtF the TERFs make all kinds of excuses for them and usually tend to support their hatred of actual gay men.

r162 Male homosexuality is most likely caused by exposure to prenatal feminising hormones of the male foetus. This is a biological act. This biological act cant happen on female foetus's; as that would just be exposing it to the correct hormones.

Like holy FUCK you are stupid.

No, you are R164, you simply forget that this is a theory, not a proven fact.

Homosexuality is likely multifactorial, as in psycho-social and neruobiological; like heterosexuality.

And even if that theory were 100% correct, it would only prove my point :

Gay men know that they are gay, not straight regardless of having penis simply because their brains tell them that.

Just like the brains of transmen (regardless of being gay or straight) would tell them that they are men not women.

But let's read whatever crap pops up on the internet and keep pretending that biological determinism is compatible with the lives of gay men, or LGBTQ people in general.

Apparently some of Alexis' siblings didn't even know he'd destransitioned because they used the wrong pronouns in their statements.