REVENGE Part 16 - Tell All Books, Scandalous Series, And Royal Gossip.

Samantha is doing interviews again...

[quote]Regrettably, the supply of invitations to the Coronation of King Charles III was depleted immediately before the invitations for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex were to be inscribed.

[quote]It is understood that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have a scheduling conflict, in the form of a family birthday engagement on the same day as the Coronation event.

[quote]The Palace has long admired the commitment of both the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to maintaining close and loving relationships with their parents and siblings. The Palace will support them by providing a $10 gift certificate to Family Dollar, for party favors.

[quote]It is understood that Coronations are a common, everyday occurrence in the United Kingdom. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex may consider seeking an invitation to the next one after this.

[quote]It is understood that should the Duke and Duchess of Sussex modify their plans, accomodations will be provided for them to view the ceremony through the Abbey's exterior windows; in this case the Duke and Duchess will be required to furnish their own ladders.

Charles will definitely invite the Sussexes to the coronation, he'd look like a dick if he didn't!

Of course they'd be wise to come up with a scheduling conflict, because if they go they'll be subjected to endless petty slights that will make them furious but which will generate no public sympathy.

Anyone with any sense would spend that day being photographed building the houses at the site of a natural disaster or bottle-feeding baby endangered species in Botswana, but Harry and Meg don't have any sense.

I'll be shocked if they are invited. Megsie mocking having to curtsy to Her Majesty pretty much ended them.

Yes, the one-two punch of this and Harry's autobio, which is certain to be similarly mean and whiney, has put paid to a coronation invite. The Queen's funeral was it for them: The Sussexes buried their futures as part of the royal family on that same day.

Markled!

Interesting.

Harry isn’t the brightest guy, but by this point, he must know she’s lying at every turn about their meeting, courtship and treatment by the BRF. I think she holds him hostage to her moods. He’ll do anything to keep her happy and she’s happy when the cameras are on and she’s prattling on about their “love story.”

r3 why would he look a dick if he didnt invite them?? I would suggest most would regard him as a fool if he did invite them.You cannot put a moral burden on someone that they have to accept endless hostility, attack and emotional abuse directed towards them and their family just because that person is your son.

Personally, I can't wait for next week's installment. I won't watch it (as I didn't watch this past week's), but I love hearing everyone tear it apart. I wonder if the ratings with drop even further for part 2 next week inasmuch as pretty much everyone has decided that there was nothing new in part 1.

I mostly agree with SA/r9. I certainly couldn't blame him for not issuing invitations, but he's in a bad spot. Would he be denying or at least be seen as disrespecting his mother's words "much loved members of the family" which he seemed to endorse when he made reference to "family members overseas" making a new life. There will be people who already view Charles as petty who won't like this, even monarchists.

Then there's also the possibility that invitations to the Sussexes and their presence in the UK might lead to hostility, attack and emotional abuse directed towards *them*. Crowds were on their best behavior during the mourning period. I wouldn't count on such decorum again. And, of course, it would lead to more narcissistic rage and lashing out at the racist kingdom, not insight. Talk about rock and a hard place.

Where have you been, BTW? I miss your posts and atypically pleasant demeanor (for DL).

That guy @ r7. Read his other tweets, big Elon Musk supporter. Why he stepped out of his zone to make that comment about yachting which got more response than any of his other tweets, we’ll never know but it got a shitton of retweets. He isn’t worried about being banned.

When Charles said that about Harry in his accession speech, the documentary and autobio weren't out yet. If Charles invites his son after several months of relentless attacks, he'll just look weak and foolish. He'd be stupid to invite them, and they'd be stupid to come. How could the Sussexes possibly go after talking about how much they loathe the institution and Harry's family?

I really don’t believe the BRF are in a bad spot regarding invites of H&M to the coronation. Not anymore. Having them there would be a media nightmare and definitely take the focus off of the coronation itself. H&M tainted the jubilee and they certainly tainted the Queens funeral. God, the audacity of shedding a tear at this beloved woman’s service while planning this disgusting display on Netflix. It’s breathtaking.

Cutting the cord absolutely is what needs to be done. They simply no longer exist. Of course, the volume from the Devious Dynamic Duo will only increase but it’s only static.

r11 Thank you for your kind compliment!

Oh a number of reasons I have been quieter..After the queens funeral I decided a period of a little less Meghan and Harry chatter was in order for me.I was getting bored of them . Perhaps naively I assumed they would dial it back a fair bit after the Queens passing-at least for a while. I also knew being a bit less active on the internet in general for a while would benefit me as I focused on other priorities than debates that can never end and become too intense.so I have spent a few months being a bit more light hearted on twitter, internet forums etc. More focus on just looking up pictures of sexy men, starting threads about non serious stuff like underwear and avoiding politics and controversy or at least minimising it.Politics has been pretty grim in the UK recently so I needed a bit more of the superficial and less of the full on serious debate to help create a bit of a release valve.In short I decided I needed a short ish period of small doses only of controversy and seriousness. Since August I also took on more family duties as a close family member was told they had cancer.So dog sitting , more shopping etc to enable them to go to all of their hospital appointments. That situation is starting to ease off now but I definitely feel I have benefitted and redicovered my zest for debate etc by actually having a break of sorts.Almost like a bit of fasting has helped if that makes sense?!

I also feel that Harry and Meghan have sailed into the territory of being parodies and will not succeed in their aims. After Harrys book I think they will basically have shot their wad and damaged themselves permanently.

Sorry I hadnt expected to type so much but again thanks!

Once the Netflix series has aired and been forgotten, and Harry's book published and in the 50% off bin, the world's attention will turn to the coronation. The Sussexes will probably make hay off the fact that they were either invited and turned it down, or weren't invited at all.

I wonder what the Sussexes will do to make a splash after June, though? There won't be any more big Royal events for a long time, and the "we were so victimized" thing is beyond tired. They'd better come up with a new song and dance if they want a shot at relevancy.

I'm sorry about your family member, Surviving Angel. Hope they're doing well.

I understand pulling back. I'm not sure why I'm interested in these two losers. I hope you're right and they'll just fade into oblivion and infamy. It's not like they're talented or charming or witty or particularly attractive or interesting in any way - just the family connection which is about shot.

I appreciate people posting highlights because I don't want to watch it. I hope they don't get sympathy with the 3 remaining episodes when it focuses on Megxit.

After all the trouble the Sussexes gave them, Harry & Meghan would have had to be a huge hit for Netflix to consider a second series or more projects with them--and it's not. Same with Spotify after it took Meghan 2 fucking years to produce a short podcast season which promptly tanked.

They'd better be squirreling money away, because once the brouhaha over the coronation fades away, the BRF returns to business as usual, and there are no more opportunities for the Sussexes to get any royal gold dust on them, their diary is going to be awfully empty. What major content producer would work with them after their spectacular failures?

Real Housewives? She's got the personality for that. And I'd love to see her on I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here with Lady C.

Are they even famous enough for Dancing with the Stars? They're too horribly unpopular for Strictly Come Dancing. The audience would be throwing rotten eggs during their dances, especially at her.

She has zero future in entertainment in any capacity.

Regarding the joint walkabout, I would like to know exactly what that palace representative said to both couples as he was seen seemingly lecturing them just before they exited the gate to greet the masses.

It wasn't even their home.

Ha,ha.

Meghan Markle mocked curtsying to a 90-something-year-old woman, but watched happily when blacks and POCs groveled at her and her husband's feet. If you want to be the groveling subjects, keep drinking Meghan and Harry's venom of victimhood. These 2 are daylight racists!

Meghan is not warm and can't laugh at herself, she would not be good at anything that's not scripted.

[QUOTE]avoiding politics and controversy or at least minimising it.Politics has been pretty grim in the UK recently so I needed a bit more of the superficial and less of the full on serious debate to help create a bit of a release valve... Almost like a bit of fasting has helped if that makes sense?!

Complete sense. I stopped watching political TV before the 2020 election because it was too nerve-wracking and depressing. My anxiety about the election got a bit overwhelming. My news blackout was effective. I didn't realize how serious Jan. 6 insurrectionists activities were that day. Maybe not even for a couple of days.

I keep myself aware through DL threads and try to keep informed by reading headlines and skimming articles. I can scarcely believe what the U.S. has become and how easy it can be to backslide into bigotry and tyranny after real progress. I thought the Constitutional checks and balances were a pretty good protection, but it turns out not to be the case when a narcissist psychopath persistently challenges human decency and the rule of law. 😕

Ironically, I really enjoyed all of the UK politics threads. They were amusing and illuminating. I'd heard the term shadow cabinet, but didn't know what it was. And the Prime Minister's Questions is brilliant. I would love to see this here. And, of course, the pecadillo spreadsheet and Liz and the head of lettuce... I don't get the sense you were ever in the same danger as we are.

I hope your relative is doing better.

Regarding the walkabout, I can see why MM wanted to do it by themselves. Either with spanx or dieting, she had gotten her appearance pretty much normal, after her tragic appearance in the tomato ballgown. But being photographed next to Kate, she would always look like a short square box.

Who would think Charles a jerk for not inviting them to the Coronation? Her number of stans is small in comparison to the number of Royal supporters. I think he would be applauded.

I'm sure whoever came up with "recollections may vary" could come up with an another equally succinct and instantly iconic statement. Maybe something along the lines of "out of an abundance of respect for their mutually held concerns regarding the institution...." I'm just spit balling here but I'm sure they could deliver another wonderful smackdown without using harsh language.

Hasn't it been confirmed by friends who knew her years ago that Meghan was somewhat obsessed with the Royal Family and their comings and goings?

R8, he's dumb and delusional enough to believe her lies. He believes she's just like Diana! He's the biggest mark she ever scored.

>>But in The US – which has a population of 332 million compared to the UK’s 67 million – less than a million households tuned in on the first day.

R29, Meghan was 16 when Diana died. What 16-year-old girl anywhere in this world was not glued to their televisions for days then? Her claiming ignorance about the Royal Family’s customs and protocols is beyond belief.

He’s dumb but the look on his face when she did that exaggerated curtsy, he didn’t like that although he grinned at the end when she looked at him. The viewer response to that clip had the biggest negative reaction. There were plenty of other bad moments but the curtsy summed up her character. She’ll mock his family and him for her own purposes.

Most reviewers are pointing out the general sympathy for Harry when he (again) narrates his pain after Diana died and the trauma of having to appear in public straight afterwards.

The paradox is that the show of grief, the up-close-and-personal, is what the public were demanding and what H&M champion. The Queen was reviled for adhering to protocol with flags and not making a public display. They caved to the pressure.

That curtsy scene is gonna be the thing that finally takes them down. Hopefully.

Not necessarily that curtsy but her nasty, evil grin straight afterwards. Watch the footage closely and you'll know what I mean.

Twitter folks saying she practiced her exaggerated curtsy moves during her scene in Beverly Hills 90210...

There are times I get the impression that Meghan is high on something. Her eyes, facial expression and demeanor when she comes up from that bow is one of them.

She revels in her nastiness, thinking it makes her superior to everyone and everything (when it actually does not).

R36 she practices that sort of curtsy every night on Harry in order to keep him pussywhipped.

Although there is much to criticize, the curtsey moment will be one everyone remembers, particularly in Britain, as she is mocking their beloved Head of State who has just recently died. In that moment, she reveals her nastiness and falseness. She said beside the Queen at public events and (now we know) pretended to show respect. She would be wise not to go back to the UK in the future as I don't think any airline worker will carry her luggage out of the plane.

[quote] She would be wise not to go back to the UK in the future as I don't think any airline worker will carry her luggage out of the plane.

If I were her, I wouldn't be worried about my luggae being carried -- at this point, I'd be worried about getting kicked out of the plane at flight level.

After showing her real nasty shitty self on that scene ( mocking the beloved Queen) I really hope is the start of her down fall all made by her own horrible personality. She is a fake bitch whose time is now to be a has been. Keep shooting on your own foot MeMe Gain, destroy your own self, keep hammering those nails in your own coffin. It’s time for narcissists to fail, let their real façade be out there and start getting canceled. They are the most dangerous type of people, destroying people lives left and right . I really hope King Charles takes their titles from them.

R35, She did everything but twirl her mustache.

Taking away their titles would be the perfect opportunity for them to cry victim and racism, and too many gullible people would believe them. Nah, this has to be done differently.

At the Queen's funeral, they got killed with kindness: Walkabout with the now Prince & Princess of Wales, the King wishing them the best for "building their lives overseas" (I salute him for that hidden snark!), etc. . . . it was perfectly done. Now it's time to ice them out, to show them that certain actions have got certain consequences. But let them keep their beloved titles so that they can look more and more ridiculous by the day when using them (and they love to use them since they're entitled fuckwads).

Let me get this straight, they didn't film the doc at their own home for privacy reasons. But it was okay for them to take photos of the Queen's private home and distribute those??

The owner of the home they filmed at is a major charity foundation scammer. He stole 116M from disabled vets and proclaims himself a " social activist". Mark Schulhof.

That Marc Schulhof guy is probably Harry's latest father figure, LOL.

I have a second cousin who's a pathological liar, just like Meghan. The look on Harry's face was EXACTLY the look we family members got whenever she went off on one of her flights of fancy. We knew it wasn't true, felt uncomfortable, but didn't challenge her in order to keep the peace. That's exactly what Harry is doing now.

I'm going to guess that in actuality, Meghan was instructed how to curtsy and did so adequately. For her own weird psychological reasons she needed to turn it into a "humorous" story, and she did so on the spur of the moment, taking Harry by surprise, but not really, because she does this all the time. And I'm sure he has the same look on his face each time it happens.

My cousin never got any better, and Meghan likely won't, either.

So, they rented a house because they like their privacy but don't respect the Queen's privacy (the right to control who takes pictures within her home.) These so-called humanitarians rented from a man who swindled a veteran's charity. They are hypocrites.

R47 in a previous version of the story Fergie taught her but Fergie is attached to Andrew (who is Harry's godfather and the only person they haven't thrown under the bus) and he's a public liability for the story they want to tell .

There is a moment in the curtsey scene, when she is at the depths of her exaggerated bow, Harry pointedly glances off-camera, presumably at the director, with a look that says, "Please call CUT!" He knew full well she was crossing a line and that this would be their albatross forever. But when she finished her little story, he just smiled submissively at her adorable antics.

Her fans defend her by saying she was mocking herself in that curtsy scene but even that’s a stretch. I’ve watched the scene in it’s entirety and I still don’t get it. Wtf was she thinking?

She was mocking herself at not knowing how to curtsy, but assumed Americans would relate. That we too would find the whole idea of curtsying to someone and calling them Your Majesty as silly as a Medievel Times dinner. Meaning that's how silly she found it and she only did it wrong because the whole situation was ridiculous, anyway.

Her shit eating grin when she came up was awful. That's what really killed it.

Also, from the clips I watched, I noticed Harry is hyperfocused on her reactions. He's always looking over at her, checking in, smiling when she does. He is one hundred percent walking on egg shells around her and trying to gain her approval.

So, do we conclude that Harry is a sub?

Comments from Meghan's brother, from an article in the DM:

'My general overview is I can't believe that she was able to be in this position, all by my father's doing by the way, to be in that position and to know what you're getting yourself into and then go in there and try and change a 1,000-year-old traditional monarchy to your own liking.

'Who does that? It's still a big question, I mean my Father and I, we talk about it quite a bit, I mean how could you even, even consider doing that?

'Everything every woman could ever dream of in their life, you had and you had to go and make waves and accusations and be difficult and overall taking Harry away from his family.'

Anyone have a good explanation for why she included her niece in the documentary? The one she didn’t invite to the wedding despite saying she’s very close to her and views her like a little sister?

The story she peddled that she was advised not to invite her was nonsensical. (Meghan using passive voice—yet again!—to imply she was victim of the Palace/Royal Family but not actually naming her victimizer so she can’t be contradicted.)

I supposed Meghan forced her niece into the doc to demonstrate she has a relationship with one family member … but the no-invite story just underscores what a heartless beast she is.

So why did she include it? Did she really think it would make people think she has anything to do with her family?

Will there be a second series? I would like to learn more about their hardscrabble life, how badly they were treated and how she was made to feel.

Meg pulled herself up by her veil straps

[quote]They simply no longer exist.

Done.

They are so Hollywood, everything is fake and a lie; yet these two and all of Hollywood have the balls to lecture all of us about life and living while giving each other hypocritical awards. We need more people like Ricky Gervais to call them on their shit.

Did Diana drink while she was pregnant with Harry? He seems mentally challenged.

r56 According to UK tabloid reports today no Netflix will not be working on any new projects with them.

If he doesn't invite them to the coronation he's inviting them out of the family. That's the message. I would like him not to, for the sensational drama and because they've been so dreadful, but I don't think it's likely. If the Mail is to be believed, the Cambridges and the Californians are exchanging Christmas presents between the children. That means something, but I won't guess what because I don't know.

In any event, I would guess no decision will be made until the new year after part two has aired and the book has dropped and then enough time has passed to do true measure of any damage, the extent of the relationship between the Sussexes and the truth, and where political and public sentiment lies - again, after the initial emotional moment has passed. I think it's safe to say the general view of monarchy and government has been not to add fuel to the fire.

I don't believe there's any evidence of a groundswell of support to start stripping titles as punishment within the monarchy or the government. (The last time was over a hundred years ago and the basis approaching treason. He hasn't committed treason. He's an asshole but not a traitor in the technical sense.) The precedent notwithstanding, there's the Andrew problem. He's damaged and marked, but tucked away and pretty much out of site. If the Daily Mail weren't determined to photograph him every time he rides at Windsor we'd have neither seen nor heard of him since the Queen's funeral. If they strip the Sussexes of their titles their Twittering little maggots will start screaming about Andrew and that whole mess kicks up again, when it's sort of quieted down. For the monarchy there's no upside to reigniting the Andrew controversy. Ironically, Andrew's existence may be saving the Sussex's titular dignity. The other thing is, once the emotion passes, the royal family goes back to doing what they're good at and the Sussexes go back to making themselves look like petty one notes, with an increasingly small audience.

So in that context I propose a two part theory, part of which I already made:

If the decision is made to go nuclear, it will be subtle move like when the Queen ordered Charles to divorce: writing to say don't use your titles and don't come. The letter will be made known.

The new part of the theory is Charles will be seen to write acting on the advice of the government, expressing the government's view that given public sentiment blah blah blah with which deep regret he finds he must agree. The government of the day governed a lot of the Duke of Windsor's movements. It's also a convenient shield. Whatever Charles may or may not feel behind the scenes, he must act on the advice of the government - or act after asking for the advice of the government. It leaves him room to keep the door open to his son, after the divorce, but to act as well.

A lot of people wonder how Charles can put up with this or why he wouldn't just turn his back on Harry after all this. I would argue it's because he does feel guilt about his first marriage and the death of the his son's mother and the impact on both of them. What happens is down to what they say next week and in the book and if the fury sustains. If there's attacks on Camilla and or Kate that may be enough to tip the balance in some way, but not before the turn of the year and then probably weeks into it.

One thing I don't think they fear any more is when Megantoinette writes her book. Their credibility is basically shot and after the $$$$ spent by Netflix and Penguin, I'm not sure they command the megabucks or bragging rights they used to. She waited too long. How many more racists can she pull out of her hat at this point?

They'll cry racism whether invited or not, so why put the rest of the family through the drama of having them there at all?

I also believe this: they'll want the cries of racism over sooner rather than later, so I predict if they aren't invited, that news is out between Feb 1 and March 31.

Can Meghan be stripped of her US citizenship? She needs to stop dragging us all into her vicious psychodrama and ludicrous psychobabble.

Even SNL.

So now they're claiming that they didn't leave to seek privacy.

When you're explaining, you're losing.

Yeah. Makes total sense to imagine that you can control every image and every thing that is written and said about you.

Never complain, never explain, the famous royal motto comes in handy, the advice they never took. What Meghan and Harry do All day is complain and then explain…complain and then explain…NONE STOP!

[quote] The line the Sussexes love to spin is that we’re intruding into their lives. In truth they’re intruding into ours. They won’t leave us alone. I half expect to wake up one morning and find Meghan outside my apartment with a megaphone telling me yet again about the time a senior royal wondered what colour her baby would be.

Can I apply for protection from Harry and Meghan?

Whatever happens in the larger world, they are beyond done in the UK. If Charles is foolish enough to invite them to the Coronation and they are arrogant enough to go, they're going to get so roundly booed, it's going to make what happened at the Jubilee look like warm rounds of applause.

This week before a work meeting, 2 pregnant women were talking about what their babies would look like--hair color, eye color, etc. Another, who's dating someone from a different ethnic background, mentioned that when they have kids, they'll look different from her. It was such a normal, natural conversation.

I had to think of the meal M&H made of what was probably a similar conversation, with Meghan slyly connecting it with titles for Archie and Oprah blowing it all up with her silent movie facial expressions and comic book interjections.

Meghan makes up EVERYTHING. At least the world is finally starting to see that except for a small core of crazy stans.

What's going to be hilarious is seeing her double down on her lies over the next couple of years. Sure, Diana exaggerated and even lied, but people LIKED her. Meghan still doesn't seem to accept that the public will never like her the way they liked Diana. She's going to get called on every single piece of bullshit.

R3 What planet are you living on?! Look a dick if he didn't invite them?!

He'd look like a fool if he did. The Harkles know that it's over or they'd have drawn it a bit more mild.

You have to read the line between the Jubly and the Queen's funeral. The Harkles were so angry at being treated like the second-class royals they now are, not being allowed onto the balcony, and the booing they got going in and out of St Paul's in June, that they left early and didn't go to the big concert at the Palace, to which they were invited. They must have gotten the signal quite well then - and managed, as they always do, to make pests of themselves by arriving "late" so they missed the bus for the second-tier royals to the cathedral, and got to arrive on their own and look more important - the price they paid for that was more contempt and anger from Charles, and being singled out for audible booing going in and out.

Then came the Queen's death, into which Harry tried to insert Meghan - can you imagine the feelings of Charles, Anne, Edward and Sophie, and William, at having to deal with another bitch-whinge fest from Harry about his wife with the Queen lying dead in the next room?!

Then came further antics by Harry and Meghan throughout the ten days of mourning: the fucking walkabout, the three tonnes of makeup she put on to be photographed at night in a limo going to the Queen's private wake with the family, getting themselves papped on the stairs behind Charles as the coffin arrived . . . Good God.

You have to know that after the Jubly and funeral observances, the BRF looked at each other and said, "That's it, we're done here."

They know these two people are uncontrollable, self-obsessed, and if they'd do what they pulled at funeral observances, imagine what they'd do at a coronation. They stuck it to the Queen whilst her husband was dying.

Charles and William, let alone Camilla and Kate, know now that there is no such thing as boundaries for Meghan and Harry. They're strictly out of the "give him a hand, and then look for your missing watch" drawer. They have no decency, none whatsoever.

If Charles allows them anywhere near the day he has been waiting for all his life, half the stories will be about "olive branches" "healed rifts" "together again at last!" . . . in short, about THEM, not HIM.

And that doesn't begin to cover, after what Harry and Meghan have done to this family who are part of Britain's life, tradition, heritage, and history, what the increased danger is of booing and disruption that will make the jeers at the cathedral last June look like bouquets of roses.

Charles will look not only a right fool, but insult the sensibilities of the UK public, who despise the Harkles.

Harry's memoir hasn't even been published yet. You put that together with the Netflix horror, their disgraceful behaviour at a place and time of personal and national mourning, and the upcoming memoir, and the Harkles made the case or Charles to keep them away.

As the old saying has it, "No jury would convict."

What R76 said.

R61 Is that a story based on "an inside source revealed" or did Netflix make a statement, SA? Whichever, link, please.

R67 they never wanted to leave at all . It's all in their Megxit manifesto . What they wanted was to have the cake and eat it . Be able to make money and royal work as they see it fit . No old folks homes in northern England , only glittering state visits and commonwealth tours for them . Obviously that was a big no for them from the family so they threw the toys out of the pram and stormed off to Canamerica where they reinvented themselves as totally private people seeking total privacy .

r78 Halfway into this article published today. I think this paper reported Pearl by Meghan was dropped by Netflix weeks before it was confirmed officially so they could well have good sources.

R74 ‘silent movie expressions’ is absolutely sending me!! Will never unsee it now.

BTW the move she made to mock her curtsey to the queen was a "Texas Deb Curtsey", a complicated motion that combines a curtsey and a salaam. Texas debs are expected to stick their arms out, sink gracefully to the floor, pop the head up, and rise without throwing out a knee joint.

Meg WOULD use that as her cultural touchstone of formality.

R80 SA, the "no further projects" is Ye Olde Insider", but the actual statement from Netflix further on states that they are proud to continue their partnership with Archewell Productions, and to share the Harry and Meghan series with viewers, and that continue to work together on a number of projects, including the upcoming Invictus Games documentary.

Netflix's actual public statement doesn't sound like cutting ties with the Harkles. It may be that they have to keep the side up because they are committed contractually to the IG documentary, but "a number of projects" sounds to me ominously like we're not remotely shet of the Sussexes.

With Netflix it's all about the numbers. They've shown repeatedly that they'll cancel any show by any producer if it doesn't meet the metrics.

They are two extremely unpleasant people. If they didn't have a royal life most people would avoid them.

If it weren't for him no one would have heard of her.

I think Charles should invite them. Megs whole shtick is that it's okay to cut out family if they've wronged you and she keeps trying to convince Harry that his family has wronged him (through her) and that she's all he has, so it's absolutely KILLING her that the BRF isn't cutting off Harry and continues to say he is much loved. Thank God for them considering the toxic, emotional abuse he's going through.

And I do think Harry is a willing participant right now, but he's like Niles married to Mel, when she stoked all his jealousies and insecurities about Frasier.

The Sussexes are told to stay away from the Coronation.

Harry was 34 when he married Meghan. Why should he get a pass because she's a toxic bitch? He was old enough to know better.

The Sussex lies keep growing...

The backlash to Part 1 has been bad but I feel like we ain't seen nothing yet: Part 2 will be nastier and pettier.

The Sun has a good read on the dynamics of H&M’s relationship…

[QUOTE]I feel like we ain't seen nothing yet: Part 2 will be nastier and pettier.

I haven't watched, but keep up on these threads. It sounds like "Volume One" (ugh, the pretension), ended with their wedding, right? That leaves so many incidents yet to explain away, four years worth of misery rehash.

I'm very interested in seeing the Uvalde footage. That whole sojourn was crass beyond belief, self-serving, and disrespectful. I'm sure Megs thought it would provide a glimpse of the "real" her, the empathic listener whose deep love of humanity brought her there. The producers probably faced a tough choice deciding whether to keep it in. Do they also make themselves and NF appear as self-serving as the subject of the docu or do they subtley include it hoping the audience catches on (certainly the reviewers will).

R93 Anyone with half a functioning brain cell wouldn't use the Uvalde footage .

The uvalde footage will get a lot of people talking, similar to the curtsy. I bet Netflix kept it.

[QUOTE]The uvalde footage will get a lot of people talking, similar to the curtsy.

A lot of people in Uvalde, for sure. How many residents are even aware she was there? If it airs, I expect a serious lash-back the likes Megs has never seen and won't be easily able to digest or explain away. Using dead children for self-aggrandizement? That's lower than distressing dying elderly relatives.

I wonder if anyone in the Royal Family/the Grey Men in Charge started becoming concerned when they found out Me Again wasn't inviting ANYONE from her family except for her mother.

That was a huge Red Flag moment that basically said, about her, "Look at ME...a poor little orphan girl (practically though not really) who has had to rise above her awful dysfunctional family".

It quite clearly said: "Yeah, I'm a HUGE fucking narcissist, so LOOK OUT!"

The Uvalde stuff is a lot worse than the curtsy so yeah I’d it gets left in there will be a backlash.

From the Sun article:

The duchess guards her image, believing herself to have the looks and talent of Madame Curie, Julia Roberts and Nefertiti combined.

A contact of mine at Netflix told me she likes to be photographed in three-quarter profile and gets into high dudgeon when a cameraman forgets the homage due to her incomparable beauty.

The Uvalde stunt for me is evidence that she is at least as stupid as he is. I think even he would realise it was a bad idea. Just as he obviously thought the curtesy joke was a mistake. I think any commentary on the couple has to take into account how seriously stupid she is. She is the kind of idiot client you have to be polite to and pretend to redirect while she berates you for not sharing her idiotic ideas. The royal staff have my sympathy.

I'm sure Harry love(d) Meghan, but I wonder if he ever looks at her and thinks or says "don't forget I am fuck blood Royal and you're not". Surely he must have thought this with others, "we can have a laugh but don't forget I am fucking royal". There are a couple of pauses and looks he gave to the interviewer and Meghan, especially "what's on Harry's list for a partner" and curtsey-gate. It's like a steely side eye.

R9 Just give them "general seating."

R101 I've had that same thought. Not only blood royal, but once the world's most eligible bachelor. Does he ever miss getting laid right and left?

R99 What's wrong with that?

Speaking of Uvadale….I haven’t heard many comments about the visit to the Army families and the vast difference in Harry vs Meghan’s ability to engage with people.

Granted, we got only a small bit of that visit, but Harry took a genuine interest in these people—asked them meaningful questions, truly seemed to care.

Meghan’s focus was on Harry and he was the only topic she talked about. She seemed to be bored, distracted and not at all happy to be sitting in a Legion Hall with veterans.

This certainly aligns with every other outing that doesn’t involve with celebrities—she deigns to grant a tight smile but is focused on pulling Harry away from other orbits and back into the gravitational pull of her dark planet.

I had read that Harry told her not to go to Uvadale. He seems to have decent impulses and must have known how a visit would be nothing more that a capitalization of the town’s grief.

I’ve been endlessly entertained by these nitwits, but these episodes have made me soften to Harry. He’s allowed this disaster to take place because he seems to need to be infantilism’s and controlled—and boy did he pick the right person for that! But he seems so hurt and lost and speaks with genuine emotion. He let his anger—and her manipulation—get the best of him and I strongly suspect he’s regretting it deeply.

Before this documentary, I thought she was a superficial, humorless, narcissist with one hell of a tin ear—always misreading the room. Now I think she’s a truly malevolent force—leveraging Harry’s paranoia and insecurities to her advantage.

This absolutely will not end well. They are suffering failure after failure. Humiliation after humiliation. While I think Harry can rebound from the failures because he’s never been ambitious and used to being considered a loafish figure —something he regarded with good humor before Meghan—it will turn her into an endless rage machine. She couldn’t convince one person of any merit to participate in this disaster of a documentary. She has list everything—and she is the cause of that loss. But she’ll never accept it—she’ll blame Harry and will withdrawn any small sips of affection—and that will destroy him.

It comes down to Meghan not being likable. You can get away with a lot with the public if you can laugh at yourself and make people like you. Looks at Hugh Grant when he came on Jay Leno after getting caught with the hooker. I think people are more ready to give Harry a break because they saw him grow up so they have that fondness for them.

Harry does seem genuine, if naive and deluded. If you knew nothing about MM and were meeting her for the first time, you might think she was open, warm, sincere and charming. But knowing anything about her history, her outgoing behaviour is a cover for manipulativeness and deception. People don't like that. Given that she is shady and self-serving, she'd have better result if she were more low-key and straightforward, and didn't try to make people like her.

Its officially a flop in the US:

The first day viewing figures in the US were only 1 million compared to 2.4 in the UK.

Was anyone else unimpressed with the kitchen at Frogmore? Yes, episode 3 was so boring that I actually wanted to see some interiors and I recognized the kitchen from the Frogmore B&W shots they had. I like the herringbone wood floor, but it was small with a basic island in the center. Everything in there looks like it came from the SoHo House furnishing store. Frogmore Cottage had to have been one of the shittier assets in HM's portfolio at the time.I love she gave that to them.

I didn’t really feel bad for Harry until this doc. He is an entitled, spoiled, angry man child, but I think Meghan is a monster behind closed doors. This whole saga is really fascinating. If Meghan was intelligent or self aware she’d lean into the villain thing sort of like a Bethany frankel. I used to hate Meg but she is so batshit and disordered that she is fascinating and I Enjoy seeing what crazy thing she does next.

I've always felt she just oozes insincerity. From day one.it was just so obvious what she was.

R55, Markle did it for the same reason she does everything - to get revenge for some criticism, big or small, she read about herself. In this instance, she read people were perplexed and critical of her inviting just one family member to the wedding. Of course, she cannot let anything go without a rebuttal, even if it’s yet another lie. So she conjured up a way to blame the palace for her shitty behaviour at the wedding. It was all the courtiers fault, you see. She did invite them all! They made our Saint disinvite all her beloved family members, save for mommy. It’s their fault, not hers!

She just keeps repeating this pattern for every single thing written about her that she does not like. She truly is the absolute personification of malignant narcissism.

Some of you think that Harry is a decent guy, I don't, I think he's spoiled, self-absorbed, and angry. However, he's had a lifetime of being trained to appeal to the public, so he's better at looking like a good guy during a public appearance than Meg.

I just have to comment how MM sounds like the early 70s California wife, Nancy Reagan, a cruel medicine cabinet's female California "hostess."

In the days after the Queen's funeral, Charles issued a statement in which he referred to Camilla as "my darling wife". Immediately Harry issued a statement referring to his "darling wife".

That to me showcased how immature and incredibly sick they both are. Obviously, she wrote the statement.

I think he promised her the world when they were dating and when he couldn't deliver she went into full throttle narc rage and has been shooting at his feet screaming "Jump!" ever since and he has been whimpering "How High?". It began with his inability to get her the tiara she wanted, it downgraded him in her eyes and he's been trying to regain hero status ever since by declaring war on his family.

He probably bragged 'My Papa will give us this, that and the other plus tons of money" and my 'My Granny will give us all kinds of grand things too". But the equivalent of Amner Hall and a KP apartment never materialized and no huge deposits were made into their bank accounts.

Their narcissism plus her sociopathy makes it impossible for them to realize it was her behavior that limited and downgraded what they were given. It never would have been Amner Hall but it would have been far, far better than Frogless Cottage. And they were slated for a KP apartment...

Dumbasses.

"Harry took a genuine interest in these people—asked them meaningful questions, truly seemed to care" - Because that's how he's been trained from birth to behave, r105.

You'd have thought anyone would have played it better. Like with any job or relationship, you need to pick your battles, plan your exit strategy and bide your time. Who cares what tiara you're wearing or whether the little bridesmaids wear tights or whether there is egg in some supposedly vegan dish or what someone speculates your baby will look like?

To balance the usual snark I write here: I wonder if she's different when off camera? Maybe she quits her "classy" compassionate humanitarian act (as she said she expected Catherine and William to do). Maybe she drinks too much wine and swears and talks like the basic frau she is, rather than trying to seem intellectual.

The curtsy scene was cringe for me not because of any possible disrespect for QE2, but because she came across as such a self-centered, unfunny, self-satisfied bore.

A lip reader said that MM said 'Fuck' when she saw the size of the crowd during the carriage ride.

They both did during their Windsor carriage ride that cost security at least $4 million. Private proceeds paid for their wedding, but not their constant, exorbitant needs.. Prince Charles paid everything but security proceeds of the UK.

A cunt uses herself and gets used off.

Harry was an angry aggressive disruptive little boy. Diana called him "my wild child", a loving euphemism if ever there was one. His personal issues began much earlier than anyone knew on the outside.

Harry once griped that, "Everything is better for William," and on some profound level, Harry wasn't wrong, starting with a steadier, less labile temperament. Diana used Wliam as "my rock". She was closer to William. Then on top of how that looked to the child Harry, the dawning realisation of William's higher place in the hierarchy.

Harry's early experiences of himself re Diana and William are the source of his hurt, but it turned by his teens into an all-consuming toxic rage.

Diana is out of reach. The only targets left are his father and brother and their wives, and the monarchy - abs his relationship with the latter is as twisted as the others.

If Harry despised the monarchy as much as he likes to pretend, he'd have given up those titles by now.

But the truth is, Harry also feels royal, and feels that his royalty gives him a status that he isn't willing to surrender.

In this, he's remarkably like his Uncle Andrew and his Great-Great Uncle the former Edward VIII

I don't feel sorry for Harry. He and his wife are on a ruthless rampage of damage. Few of us get all we need ie wish for from parents, or from the chancy circum5of life, and on that score Harry got more than 99.9% of the other 8 billion on the planet

His obdurate refusal to move on because he can't stop acting out is a choice. Meghan is just his weapin of choice. The role works to her benefit, so she won't stop. Why should she?

As long as Harry chooses to remain in this loop of infantile rage, Meghan is safe.

If he ever broke out of it, the marital collapse would be next.

But I doubt that he can or even wants to.

Such sympathy as I had for him evaporated at his horrible behaviour during the Queen's funeral observances.

"Then on top of how that looked to the child Harry, the dawning realisation of William's higher place in the hierarchy." - Is it really a hierarchy within the family? The new King Charles and his siblings Anne and Edward work more like a team, of which Charles just happens to be the captain. Harry could have had a great life, supporting his grandmother, then father and eventually brother in their tough task while having more freedom in his private life yet still with the opportunity to do great things in public life.

Harry's problems are (like his uncle Andrew) of his own making, due to him being a combination of both self-centred and a little dumb. On top of that, however, there is the awful way in which his mother died, which obviously damaged him. If there is rivalry between him and William, I suspect it is more due to the way in which they remember Diana and wish to honour her legacy. William was a little older when Diana died and so not only had he had longer with her but he also had a more rounded perspective on her, which probably angered Harry.

I would sympathise with Harry over his mother's death if he wasn't exploiting it so much in such a cheap and tawdry way, to attack his family (including his brother, who also lost his mother) on behalf of his ridiculous wife, who wants to be the new Diana.

[quote] I wonder if he ever looks at her and thinks or says "don't forget I am fuck blood Royal and you're not".

That's why she got pregnant that quickly after they got married. She wanted a ROYAL meal ticket, a kid that would tie her to royalty forever.

Speaking of her Uvalde shitshow, I genuinely think they had a row over going to Uvalde, with Harry refusing to go there so she finally went on her own. Harry might be thick as a brick but I think he realised that prancing around the site of a killing spree -- even that soon after the shooting at that -- was the wrong thing to do.

Daily Maul new spoilers: I lied to protect William. No, I’m not linking. Did Wills throw H under the bus to cover the Rose story?

That line from Harry in the second trailer, "They lied to protect my brother but wouldn't tell the truth to protect us," is word for word what Meghan said in the Oprah interview. It makes him sound like her puppet.

R125 zzz ... try harder, hun. The Rose thing was fabricated by a Sussex Squaddie cunt.

It's frustrating to see someone being so stupid and wrong and mean. You just want to stand up and say NO against them.

What does Harry expect to get out of attacking his brother? It just confirms that he is spiteful and untrustworthy.

Someone in Daily Mail comments referred to him as "Sparey". I like that, think I'll start using it.

R117 He is a better actor than Meghan

Pretty much everybody is a better actor than Meghan.

Despite the gruesome twosome no longer being Sunshine Sux clients as he still is, Tyler Perry is on DM cheerleading for them.

Makes me wonder if he is like the Lindsey Graham of the Sussex administration. Meg, like tRump, knows his secrets and hints at disclosing them unless she is fawned over and blindly supported.

I'm joking. Sort of but not entirely...

When they were teens and had their own home club, Harry covered up some of his brother's shenanigans and lied for him. Wasn't this in "Finding Freedom (to lie for myself)"?

R105 makes many good points.

I never thought much about Harry. He was the brother. I assumed he would amble through his life on the B team, doing engagements, being a good sport, part of the furniture. He did seem agreeable for the most part. I did not understand how much the death of his mother affected him and I'm empathetic about that. Think about it, at twelve, you're basically, finally, capable of behaving in public but you're a child still. Not a good time to lose a parent, especially after the stress of their childhoods.

All to say, I do think she plays him like a violin, yet at the same time I think they're weirdly besotted with each other.

But it can't last. You can't have personalities like those meeting failure after failure, alienating more and more people, year after year. They cannot succeed at what they aspire to be. They are not smart enough, strategic enough or kind enough. Eventually, there's going to be discord at home because one will turn on the other. Who will be left to betray at that point? I don't like to say and it and I take no pleasure in saying it but I'd be surprised if one of both of those kids don't have mug shots or rehab within fifteen to twenty years. I'd be happy to be wrong. On their best day they're all just a California version of the Grimaldis in Monaco.

One of the consistent things I hear from critics is she could have been huge, if she just accepted the limits of the system. Instead she blew it, bolted and now she's disdained.

R135 correct on all points. Marriage is tough enough under the best of circumstances. I've seen few survive without a support network of friends/family who know both members of the relationships and can help you keep perspective when you hit rough waters.

In H/M's relationship, not only do they not have that support, most of the important people in their lives are actually rooting for the relationship to fail. And that's no one's fault but their own.

Meghan's step-siblings seem vile, but I find it hard to believe should couldn't have salvaged her relationship with her father. They seemed to have had a warm connection pre-Harry. That's not to say the father didn't play a role in the breakdown--but I can understand Charles' reported confusion over whether she couldn't simply fly out to meet her dad and resolve the mess in person pre-wedding.

The RF seemed pretty supportive of them but drew a line at letting them have their cake and eating it, too. Said they were free to live a life/make a living as non-working royals, but not stay working royals while actively profiting off of it.

The gripes that William warned Harry not to jump into a marriage quickly is simply standard familial concern. Kate being a bit standoffish is typical behavior of in-laws taking the measure of a newcomer. Neither should have been cause of the massive temper tantrum that took place on a global stage.

Meghan clearly is the common denominator in this dysfunction/relationship destruction. But Harry has allowed it to happen. He willingly turned his back on the most important people/support systems in his life to follow his dark pied piper.

As R135 notes, they've nearly exhausted targets for their outrage. No one is responding to their accusations anymore, which is denying fuel to H/M's grievance engine. So, they will turn on each other. I suspect that is happening now--especially in the wake of the accumulation of failures in the past year: Jubly and funeral ice-outs; staff hemorrhage and terrible decision to take on their own PR; avalanche of humiliating reviews of podcast, documentary, public appearances; loss of lucrative opportunities with existing partners (Netflix/Spotify) and no prospects for teaming with marquee partners in the future (movie studios; corporate boards, etc.) They are spiraling quickly. It will end in a colossal splat.

"I think he promised her the world when they were dating and when he couldn't deliver she went into full throttle narc rage"

And SHE promised HIM that if they left the BRF, she'd be able to support them both in princely style, by monetizing their celebrity and dominating social media!

So they've both cruelly disappointed the other, and they're both spoiled, selfish, and probably on the Cluster B Personality Disorder spectrum. They've probably been having epic fights in private for years.

"Meghan's step-siblings". Don't you mean half-siblings, r136?

Two things I think are true; they borrowed a home to use for the Harry & Meghan series because their own home is not well furnished with many rooms actually empty, and they are fighting like cats and dogs these days.

"Is it really a hierarchy within the family? The new King Charles and his siblings Anne and Edward work more like a team, of which Charles just happens to be the captain."

Of course there's a hierarchy within the family, and if they work as a team it's within that hierarchy. If Charles, Anne, and Edward are now working as a team, it's to serve the interests of Charles's reign, and the family dynamics have got to be weird. Anne is the butchest of QE2's children and in the normal course of events she'd probably be the family matriarch by now while the diffident Charles took orders from her, but because of the rules of succession, she's actually spent most of her life being the officially least important person in the immediate family hierarchy.

So I can absolutely see why Edward tried to build a career outside the Firm and why Harry was unhappy enough to leave, the "family business" affects all relationships and has got to be a neverending strain. So they have every right to leave, they just don't get to take all the money and perks with them if they give up the pretense of public service.

You can't salvage your relationship with your father or anyone else if you've got something missing inside that drives abnormal ambition and a moral code that lets you use and dispose of anybody.

She didn't want her father at the wedding because he's FAT. That was embarrassing for her because she's a superficial, vapid woman.

A must-read from The Times. The Palace is turning its sources loose and it is delicious.

The part in R143 about the not-invited niece is interesting. Reading the direct quotes from Meghan and from the niece about the incident illuminates M's method of not directly lying, but waffling around a topic to create an impression. Even more damning than "the palace sources" denying the story is the fact that it's unbelievable that activist Meghan wouldn't have overridden the supposed guidance and invited her.

Also interesting that the engagement interviewer made use of the increasingly necessary "recollections vary" in regard to M's claim that it was a staged reality show and not "their story" (which we now know consists of cutesy photo booth pics and filmed proposals.)

"If Charles, Anne, and Edward are now working as a team, it's to serve the interests of Charles's reign" - But the purpose of Charles' reign, r140, isn't Charles' self-interest but to serve the nation and be the constitutional sovereign. Within the family itself that doesn't mean there is a hierarchy whereby Charles is the family patriarch who gives everyone else orders. That's nonsense.

Good for Edward for following his own interests when he was a young man - it's what's enabled him to become the excellent public servant he is today. He was torn to pieces for it at the time, however, by the same media that Meghan claims is after her. In her mind, though, hers is a unique experience.

R140, Harry "left" the "family business" because he was manipulated by Meghan, who wants to be an American Princess Di.

He is, of course, perfectly within his rights to want to lead a more low-key life that is not dictated by the need to be a full-time public servant. There are plenty of examples within the royal family that he could have followed, such as the late Queen's nephew and niece or his cousin Zara Philips, with her bubbly public profile, pursuit of her own interests and her not typically royal spouse. That's not what he and Meghan, Princess of Montecito wanted, however. They want glory, celebrity and adulation.

Well somebody better tell her she's on the road to NeoLeona Helmsley.

Exactly, R146. I am so sick of people spewing the wholly invented narrative that H&M wanted to leave or “escape”. They did not. They wanted to “step back” - to do fewer royal engagements in order to free up time to make money in America. This cannot be pointed out enough.

R148 Exactly.

They wanted to be able to "build their brand".

MeMe's goal was to be the ultimate influencer. Doing the least amount of work to earn the most publicity while only hobnobbing with superstars and generating awards and accolades for empty humanitarianism. Oh, and to make a lot of money doing so.

Getting 2nd tier gigs in the UK as part of the Royal Family and always in a "spare position" and earning a meager royal allowance and always being subservient to the Monarch and the next in line were abhorrent to her. It's both an American mentality and a showbiz mentality. You fight, smooze and fuck your way up the ladder to bigger payouts/rewards/roles. And, to be honest, I can see why she wouldn't want to be thrust into the second string role; it IS very Un-American to sit back and not strive for something better/bigger while it IS a very British way to behave.

Weird, r149, because son of the king is a position that very few people, and no Americans, can ever reach. It's not a second-grade position by any means and the life you lead is utterly unique. It's impossible to strive to become a royal: you have to be born to it.

[quote] I can see why she wouldn't want to be thrust into the second string role;

If you don't want to DO the job, don't TAKE the job.

It was undoubtedly explained to her very plainly how things worked. No way do I believe the BS they are peddling now that no one told her.

In spite of the Queen telling her she could continue working as an actress (as if that was ever going to happen) the claim in the engagement interview was that they couldn't wait to be a part of the "team".

Ha.

There's a huge difference between being the 1st son of the monarch and the 2nd.

I think MeMe convinced Harry that they could "change the Monarchy" by her Americanization of it all.

Which is ridiculous to think that they really thought a Spare's wife could change much of anything.

R143 I agree. The Palace does seem to be giving tacit consent to the courtiers talking, whilst the King and the Heir Apparent are unsullied and so can like the ones taking the sadder but nobler path and refusing to engage. It was terribly amusing to read that the Waleses and Sussexes had sent each others' children Christmas gifts. Why on earth bother?!

Of course, the courtiers wouldn't be talking if the Palace hadn't given them the green light, so the King and PoW ARE engaging, but at a remove that creates a buffer between their active participation and their public personae.

It is interesting, and someone mentioned this on another site, to realise how deeply Harry has hated his brother and father all these years. The poster said it was likely that whilst Charles and William may perhaps have registered it, they had insulated themselves from the knowledge emotionally. I think it was a shrewd observation.

If one starts from that point, one also realises that Harry went to his grandfather's and grandmother's funerals whilst seething with that hatred, that his grief was entirely false and that he showed up knowing this stuff was in the pipeline with Netflix and Penguin, and that his wife shed her crocodile tear at the Queen's funeral also knowing this was in the wings.

When you look at it from that angle, the Sussex's revelations on Netflix, and presumably in Harry's memoir, take on an even more loathsome character.

Were the King to make a statement, it would I think be quite something if he reminded the public that Harry and Meghan insisted on participating in the funerary rites, showing their respect, standing vigil at her coffin, etc., all whilst knowing that in a very short time they would be shitting on her years of dedication.

So far, nothing the Sussex's have done seems to have done anything but land the usual glancing blows, and the canny game of disengagement that Charles and William are still playing still seems to be serving them well. Within themselves, however, I suspect that both are enraged beyond words.

At some point, of course, the King cannot go on pretending that this isn't happening. That shoe is still to drop.

^*so they can look like the ones taking the sadder but nobler path

What is the difference, r152? One has to do the hard job of being a constitutional head of state, always having to be perfect, performing public duty, while the other can live a dream life, doing whatever he wants while being publicly adulated. Do you really think that Harry would have wanted to be the heir to the throne for one second? No, I don't think Harry's problem is that he's jealous of William because William will become king.

R155 But, spares CAN'T just do anything they want. There's a long list of things they can't do. They need permission to marry; they can't profit from being a Royal; they can't really express too many opinions; they can't be political; they can't overshadow the Monarch or the heirs and must always 'know their place'...they have to follow a long list of rules, ALL the time.

So many people think that life as a Royal would just be heavenly but...really? Living your entire life in a fishbowl, not free to do so many things that we take for granted....sounds awful.

If true, I agree why bother exchanging gifts for the kids.

Meg's gifts for the Wales' children would be as spiteful as the knife she reportedly gifted Kate a few years ago.

Did she send Charlotte some SKIMS shapewear from the Kardashian collection? Louis a book on how to behave in public? George some snacks from a convenience store as she is known to do?

Lol r156, if you think the "spare" can't do those things then imagine just how much more restrictive it is for the direct heir.

The "spare" can do whatever he/she wants. He/she can choose to lead a public life of service as a working royal or he/she can lead a private life. This heir does not really have this choice and it's much more momentous to stand back from that role.

The problem with Harry is that he wants to step back from public service but still expects have the glory, respect and adulation of a working role.

I'm also curious as to how the younger siblings can "overshadow" the direct heir. This could only happen if monarchy were about celebrity - but it isn't.

R156, I think many of those “rules” are just there for show. No one is going to have a request to marry rejected. Everyone in the RF, to varying degrees, profits from being royal: you’re going to go to a great school and make great contacts; there will always be a plum job or a rich spouse waiting for you if you show a minimum of interest. (Harry DID have the opportunity to marry the daughter of a very wealthy man.) Charles and even Elizabeth expressed political opinions. Realistically, there are very few constraints on these people.

R146, I'm not convinced that Harry left because of Meg, I think gender wanted out for some time but didn't want to leave until he had a wife who could support him in style.

I'm sure Meg was convinced it'd be easy. Exploiting fame and making money through marching must gave looked SO easy, down there on her uneasy oerch on he C List...

I don't know how the fuck my phone's autocorrect turned "he"into "gender"!

[quote]I don't know how the fuck my phone's autocorrect turned "he"into "gender"!

It's the revenge of the Sam Smith threads.

I heard the bs about her not the inviting the niece on the Markle side of her family, but what about her not having invited anyone on her mother’s side to the wedding? Why doesn’t she ever address that?

Because her mother the divine narcissist grifted the hell out of them so they are estranged too

Or r163, address making up with her father and that side of the family since he suffered his stroke. For Harry to say she doesn't have a father anymore and that's on Harry, well, Dimbo, use your much-vaunted compassion and fix it!

SO WHAT if her father posed for paps ONCE before the wedding? He's the one who put her through those fancy schools and college, worked on all her school plays - which the little minx was known to leverage at least once - took her to all those tap and dance classes...

There is a poster on here whose relative was bullied by Markle when young I gather. If it's not traumatic for them, I wish they'd make some bank by going to the press as "sources" alleging Markle was a bully when young, remaining anonymous but really putting it out there what a piece of work she is and always has been. Teens regularly commit suicide due to peer bullying. It's understandable that they don't speak out, though. The Sussex Squad and sugars are rabid beasts. So in a way, the SS and sugars are accomplices of a sort to actual victims not being able to speak out. They've brought down a few twitter accounts and youtubers now.

As for that woman who ran the organisation for victims of domestic violence and had the encounter at the Palace: how about getting a few crates of Toughen Up? How on earth could she have been of any help to people going through genuine, serious trauma when she was so willing to play victim herself?

I've lost count of the number of times people have asked where I'm REALLY from. I tell them the truth: I was born in Australia but my ancestors on one side came from these countries and the other side came from those countries. It's a part of looking "different" to what is perceived as the norm. Just get on with life.

Some people suffer serious injustices and harm to their well-being, their personal safety, their mental state. The palace lady definitely should not have touched her hair. But someone clumsily trying to find out more about a person isn't worth making such a fuss that it results in shutting down a charity. I bet what Markle and Harry dish out was and is way worse than anything an 83 year old woman does. Jeeze. Speak out but do it diplomatically. Show the grace and deftness your alleged tormentor was supposedly lacking. If she was really helping DV victims, she should have gone straight to the palace, not made a twitter post, given interviews about being traumatised and appeared on TV shows.

Shouldn't her focus have been on helping others, so maintaining dignity while dealing with what was an inappropriate conversation? Someone really invested with helping others would have shrugged it off or handled it by going to the source: the palace. And would it have killed her to tell Lady Whatsherface when she first asked, "I was born in Britain by my parents came from *wherever*. I'd rather you didn't touch me/my hair"? End of story. No drama. She was there as someone providing refuge and care to genuine victims, but their concerns weren't on her mind as she took umbrage at the actions and words of someone well past retirement age.

Then you have the other side: Markle getting in digs at C and W for not wanting to hug her at their first meeting. I bet they thought SHE was inappropriate or just cuckoo. But they haven't broadcast it on an internationally shown TV show. Markle and her fans just have to be victims/in the right in every single encounter. FFS. I hope people who were put in the terrible position of fearing for their livelihoods when working for the Harkles get their messages across in droves.

Speaking of Meghan's hugging, anyone remember a clip of a ceremony where Meghan was introduced to a large audience? She made her entrance from the back of the room with one hand cradling her bump, the other continuously moving her hair her hair out of her face. By the time she gets to the stage, the emcee is about to curtsy to her when Meg engulfs her in a huge hug. It was an awkward scene. The lady was clearly not expecting it. Giving unexpected/unwanted hugs to strangers really looks like a power and dominance move on her part. I wonder if she subjected Allison P Davis (The Cut interviewer) to a hug and that set the tone for the whole meeting.

[QUOTE]but what about her not having invited anyone on her mother’s side to the wedding? Why doesn’t she ever address that?

And, aside from Doria, they were the best behaved in the whole affair. People, I believe it was, interviewed a few of them and they were kind and complimentary. They provided a few pictures of Meghan as a child at their family get-togethers.

It was obvious they were working class. Quite honestly, I think Meghan was too embarrassed to invite her hoi polloi relatives lest they mingle with the monied upper classes and celebrities. Status is quite important to her and having obese disheveled Thomas Markle and her relatives there would have blown up her carefully crafted image.

DL is gonna love this. Norwegian body language expert said Meghan's behavior is fake. Quelle surprise!

Nobody's talking about the new trailer that came out today for part 2. Is there another thread I'm missing or maybe everyone is over it.

Nobody is watching and you shouldn't either.

R168 Do you have a link to a translated page? Most people here don't speak Norwegian.

"As I predicted, Prince Harry and Meghan are going to go nuclear in Netflix Volume 2 against their own family: “They were happy to lie to protect my brother, but they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us”

R171 Use google translate for the article.

"A friend" advised them to start videoing their life in the UK before Megxit? Is "friend" code for Sunshine Sux?

I saw a clip where Doria said racism is why Megsy didn't get everything she wanted as a Royal.

I read that BRF noticed Haz was always more stirred up after having been around Doria.

River or Lady C., I don't recall which, had also said similar a while ago. That Doria was always in Haz's ear planting seeds of doubt from the very beginning.

Was her "royal allowance" a reward for helping steer halfwit Harry?

Protect, protect, protect….that word comes up a lot. Of course #protectblackwomen is also a thing on Twitter but just a coincidental I guess. Couldn’t be a dog whistle, just as the assertion that Meghan was “denied access to healthcare” couldn’t be. That would be just too cynical a thought, right?

And yes, Doria came off as a bit of a shit stirrer.

R169, there's a thread on their Netflix shitshow >>>

Doria is part of the con. You bet she was in jail before. She's running a scam right now with that senior care scam.

^^^CASH ONLY senior care.

What's the full story with Doria and senior care? Thanks

Doria seemed shifty and arrogant in the Netflix special (I couldn't help myself, I had to watch).

I bet that Oprah is still in the mix of all this somewhere along the line. Remember as soon as the engagement was announced Oprah met up with Doria?

Orca and Doria reportedly knew or knew of each other from the Agape International Spiritual Center of Los Angeles where they both were members. Probably where Doria honed her grifting skills and young Meg learned to "manifest".

They are all narcissists of varying degrees and varieties. The whole lot of them. Meg, her mother, Oprah, Pa Markle, Tom Jr., MAGA Samantha etc. etc. Harry is mentally unbalanced like his mother. He is a destructive, unintelligent spoiled man-child seething with rage who will die young like his mother as a result of dumb choices.

Doria was not "in jail before."

Curtsy thing was disrespectful. Saying its like Medieval Times?? Thats your husbands family. Even if you dont like all their customs and traditions you respect them. I dated a Chinese guy before. Do you think I went to his grandparents house and said "holy shit its like the Great Wall of China!!". Such a mean cunt.

She did an exaggerated deep curtsy at the Queens funeral too, shedding her one single tear on cue and couldnt even be bothered (or maybe cant) do a sombre expression:

They will never shut up. But this has damaged their bankability and that's what will be their downfall. No more $100M for this or that. Once the book turns out to be an expensive flop, they're over. It will be hilarious to see the depths they sink to to try to make a buck and the kind of publications and people they have to deal with to do it.

I suspect the book has been completely sanitized post Queen death and a big nothing.

They'll be clamoring to get back in to the BRF soon enough.

This was okay though.

There needs to be another royal event; I want to see Lady Sarah Chatto's latest twinset. And any sighting of Alexander Ogilvy is welcome!

R186 What is so hilarious about the "medieval times" bit is that is exactly what that title is that she loves so much, and that she was so pissed off her kids didn't get.

What does Meghan not see as "medieval" in the terms Your Royal Highness, Duke, Duchess, Prince, Princess, King, and Queen?

R192 Patience, patience . . . next up, the Commonwealth Service in the Abbey in mid-March, although Lady Sarah isn't a guaranteed attendant at it. Then comes . . . the Coronation. Likely the only one we eldergays will see unless Charles unexpectedly pops off after only five years or so.

I was alive when QEII was crowned but not conscious enough to experience it. I've only done so through retrospective news footage.

This time, it will be real time, like the Queen's funeral.

Will the women wear gowns like they did at Elizabeth's coronation? I don't think I've seen Lady Sarah in a gown.

She looks like she's stifling laughter at r186.

Interesting reader comment on a DM article about Jessica Mulroney's instagram:

They were both for hire .... the whole of Toronto knows it ... but the papers won't dare go down that road.

Christmas card for the Wales.

Whoops ^

[quote]They were both for hire .... the whole of Toronto knows it ... but the papers won't dare go down that road.

I'm in Toronto and I've never heard that one... and I heard verbatim, twice, the assertion a certain someone's husband was caught getting a blow job from another man at a Christmas party in the bedroom where the coats were piled on the bed.

One other thing: until she started dating Harry, nobody I knew ever heard of Meghan Markle. No doubt the Soho House and - oh there's some other club - for Canadian fatheads - Spoke! - crowd did but I know people who do go to those places and swan around being grand and nobody ever heard of her or mentioned her until the greatest love story of all time took root, like kudzu or wisteria. After it broke nobody said oh, yeah, I know her or saw her or whatever. Lots of people knew La Mulroney, but Markle wasn't a name. And her neighbourhood was a dump. Not a slum, but.... affordable as rents go.

Richard Eden @richardaeden Are PrinceHarry and Meghan trying to destroy the monarchy? The fact the their cheerleader Omid Scobie has given his forthcoming book about the Royal Family the ridiculous title 'Endgame' suggests they are.

Meghan is so INFANTILE! She thinks she can fool the world with her silly charade-game-acting-skills and pull off the her cooked-up charade that they are important enough, famous enough, for ANYBODY on the planet to give two shits about! What a huge fucking insult to everyone that she thinks she can pull these AMATEUR and CHILDISH stunts like "oooh we're being followed by paps" and all the while laugh her head off behind closed doors as she thinks she's fooling everyone . H.I.L.A.R.I.O.U.S. bitch, hilarious.

Harry's in negotiations to do more tell-all interviews (presumably to promote his book). Every week could be "royal secrets" week. It's like the holiday season, it's not going to stop.

Could she be crazy enough to want to bring them all down? Obviously he is. (Not saying they will.)

r203 r204 I think eventually they will run out of steam.When I say eventually I mean sometime in the next year.Next 6 months more realistically.

Her comment about visiting the Queen's home being like dinner at Medieval Times reminds me of Philip asking an Aborigine if they still throw spears at each other.

That photo of Dimbo at r203 has me marvelling at him EVER being considered the world's most eligible bachelor. What an ugly cunt he is. And stupid, to boot.

Really cute picture of William and Kate with their children for the Christmas card. Meanwhile Harry is still playing games hiding his kids faces.

If they look like him, r208, then it really is in everyone's best interests. He's homely as fuck and it's hilarious Markle once aimed for being the face of L'Oréal or finding a modelling deal capitalising on her legs.

[quote]Markle once aimed for being the face of L'Oréal or finding a modelling deal capitalising on her legs

This is something that begs for a link, because I want to believe!

>>The advisor said that there won’t be a single casting director who would not want to bank her for their movie, TV show or advert, and that everything Meghan does is “forensically planned.”

The advisor was wrong.

She really can't see herself realistically. She is not attractive, and has a terrible figure. This pic speaks volumes.

The real problem with MeMe is the fact she DOES have looks, charm and charisma but it's the kind of bush league looks, charm and charisma best suited for doing "Good Morning, Knoxville/Tucson/Des Moines!" medium-ish sized market television stations.

Someone should rename body dismorphia to “Markle Syndrome”. She really has picked it up and run with it - on her legs as long as a mile.

Frankly, I’m always surprised that they don’t snap like twigs when I see video of her walking.

At the time of the wedding I thought she was lovely, or at least very pretty, but somehow she's lost that. Maybe she's one of those people who only photograph well when they're rail thin, maybe it's just normal aging.

She looks fine now, but... not remarkably pretty.

Not even close r213.

I thought she was attractive at first but realising what an awful person she is I changed my mind.

R210 Tom Bower’s book mentioned Meghan’s statement about her long legs.

Didn't she also mention that about her legs on the Craig Ferguson interview? Who does that?

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Well, she does have proportionally long legs, but proportionately long legs on a short woman isn't the same thing as long legs on a runway model.

She really is delusional if she thinks her legs are an asset.

Well, she seems to think her personality is an asset. Of course she thinks her legs are, too.

When you see the panel discussion with the former Fab Four, poor Kate was heavily pregnant and MM was brimming with confidence. You could really see that she thought she could mop the floor with Kate, that she was cooler, prettier, younger-looking, more articulate, more sophisticated, more knowledgeable...MORE.

R221, her legs are of average proportions - we studied this in fashion school. That photo has the camera angle, clothes and heels working an illusion. If you look at her standing next to her former agent Gina at the recent links, you'll see they have similar proportions when it comes to legs. In some photos, Gina is also prettier.

>>Relish Bower’s detail from her early days, Markle dreaming of becoming “the face of L’Oreal,” saddled instead with spokesmodeling for a midlevel Canadian clothing chain, her frustration unleashed on the poor crew.

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^ "Taking to TikTok, voice coach Susie Ashfield noted that in the first episode, the Queen's speech - in which she declared that her 'whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service and to the service of our great Imperial family to which we all belong' - is included.

However, in the third episode, the Queen's words are edited so that she's heard saying: 'I declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to the service of our great Imperial family to which we all belong.'

If this is true, if they've manipulated the Queen's words to serve their race angle.... that's it, surely? They're off the island permanently? Do not pass go. Do not get free money.

Her legs look long because her torso is abnormally short, to the point her internal organs pooch out.

MM is 5'6" tall.

That is not short. That is not average. She is taller than most women on this planet.

Damn, you haters are dumb! LOL

No way she's 5'6', she's a dwarf.

A dwarf with the body of Spongebob Squarepants.

[quote] When you see the panel discussion with the former Fab Four, poor Kate was heavily pregnant and MM was brimming with confidence.

I strongly remember that appearance.

Kate started to say something and M interrupted and talked over her. Kate looked surprised and sat back, but my reaction to M's ignorant move was "BITCH".

When people show you who they are, you should believe them.

And she showed everyone who and what she was at that appearance.

R229, you authenticated to be reductive? Haters? Like, pass me a note in gym?

She's 5'2 at best.

She's a fool and the entire world knows it now.

Tell-all “docu-series” is six hours long. I( wanted to call it a “reality show”, but in all fairness, it really does resemble a documentary.)

There will be a memoir by Harry and Moehringer in a month.

Announced there’s a tell-all interview with Gayle King in the works.

I’ve read an unsubstantiated rumor that there will be another installment of a docuseries from Netflix in May 2023.

They are also optioned for three more books by Penguin Random House.

What more could they tell the world that they haven’t already?

“Rita” dear, there is no possible way she’s 5ft 6. More like 5ft 2 or 3. That’s why she wears those absurdly high heels all the time.

God, you sychophantic arse lickers are desperate.

I still don't understand what their endgame is. They live off insulting the royals and bitching about Meghan's 18 month career as a royal. They don't have anything else to say. They seem to want to be unofficial royals, parading around for philanthropies while simultaneously making bank off charities. It doesn't make any sense. Neither of them have any talents worth paying for and notoriety goes just so far. I suppose they want to be influencers like the Kardashians.

They come across as whiny little bitches - like Howard Stern said - a couple of superannuated adolescents who are pissed off Big Bro got more perks than they did.

They're both really messed up human beings that should not have license to impose themselves on others through the media. Their mission is to hurt and destroy others. They should be shunned the world-over for all time.

I wonder about Harry's immigration status. Foreigners don't get right of abode in the US just because they're married to a US citizen. Is he on a diplomatic passport? In which case he hasn't acted as a diplomat. He is seriously harming US/UK relations with all his bullshit. That won't be allowed to continue. Charles is Head of State and Britain is our closest ally. Biden's photo op in Boston with Prince William should have sent a message to the Duke and Duchess of Overseas but as they're both thick, maybe the State Dept will have to intervene. I think Harry will find that soon he's looking for another country to invade. Maybe Botswana?

Uk charities are grouping together and about to go to war on behalf of another charity. It's being alleged that Sistah space the charity whose founder was racially targeted by Miss Hussey is now being investigated by a charity watchdog that has direct ties and affiliations with the Royal family. An email has made it to a uk tabloid. The charities grouping together are prepping their legal teams. The email allegedly was leaked deliberately. Uk tabloid leaked to isn't rightwing. All alleged but source is supposedly leaking to people on Twitter.

The Sistah Space woman wasn't invited to the event but showed up as a +1 with somebody else. I assume she wasn't turned away because she is black and showed up dressed like the lead in Lion King and the Palace didn't want to offend some African dignitary. Her twitter was all Meghan bullshit. I'm sure she's running a charity - like her idol Meghan - to make money for herself.

Why is halfwit Harry parading about and being saluted by the US Navy? The Navy should be ashamed of themselves indulging a spoiled brat from a reality show.

The head of the charity watchdog committee has just been outed as being a flower girl at Charles wedding. This reeks.

Who is the head of the charity watchdog committee?

If “Sistah Space” is a grift (and it sure seems to be), the government has every right to investigate reports of misappropriation or malfeasance. Legitimate charities will withstand the scrutiny.

Should the charity commission decline to investigate because the head of “Sistah Space” is black?

R243 Martin Thomas was a flower girl at Charles' wedding? Did he transition recently? The Guardian: The Commons culture select committee approved Martin Thomas, an insurance and financial services professional and experienced charity trustee, as chair of the Charity Commission following a pre-appointment hearing on Thursday.

The charity watchdog has responded to serious factual information posted on twitter and other social media about sistah space after members of the public did some amateur sleuthing. They are duty bound to investigate. Its nothing to do with the royal family. Nobody left right monarchist or republican should support charities misbehaving.

r245 Exactly... but then some people think Meghans bad behaviour should be ignored or excused because she is biracial. Definitely not an approach that will improve race relations and harmony in any society.

As Meghan pointed out herself in her reality show, she was never treated as a black woman because she always passed for white in the US.

[quote] Chair of the London Assembly Audit Panel Neil Garratt confirmed on social media that he has asked the Assembly's finance chief to 'look into it'.

He must have been a lovely little flower girl 40 years ago.

R246, the use of “all alleged” in R240 is the tip-off that that’s the “FBI is going to arrest all of you any minute” poster

R250 yes it's the crazy cunt. She has been using another story recently, something along the lines of Catherine being scared of the media revealing something about her life. That one and the one she posted upthread are pretty lame though --- I want those FBI/CIA about to be arresting Harkles critics stories back.

LOL, if M wanted to be a leg model, the first thing she should have done was cover up the huge feet/ wear shoes that would downsize her bigfoot appearance. And never go bare-legged. That just emphasizes how skinny they are.

I am surprised with all of the fitness and yoga training, she never did anything to improve her chicken leg appearance.

More info coming out about committe now investigating Sistah space. The head of the committee who was Charles flower girl is married. Her husband who also works for committee was the one who decided not to proceed with Saudi cash in suitcase claims against Charles. Rightwing tabloids have also been told to promote the fact Sistah space being investigated. You will see the story on their front page soon. So a charity who helps domestic violence victims is now being investigated by a committee who has deep links to Charles and Camilla. Camilla who campaigns for domestic violence victims. It's now trending on SM. People are pissed at BRF.

More incoming news. The Daily fail has just put the Sistah space being investigated story up. 5th story down. I told you this was going to happen. The UK tabloids leak like sieves.

I just can't believe that Meghan feels we should be shocked, or feel sorry for her, for having to learn the UK National anthem on her own ("I Googled it"). So what? God Save the Queen is like a minute long, it's one of the shortest and easiest anthems out there. And, it goes by the same tune as "My Country Tis of Thee", which was sung in every American elementary classroom for years, it's a famous American patriotic song using the same tune.

How hard was it ffs? It would have taken any educated adult literally a few minutes to learn it.

They only expected her to learn the anthem because she is BLACK!!!!

R255 et al - Do shut up, you tedious twat. If formal complaints are made regarding a charity, the commission has a LEGAL responsibility to investigate. And “watchdogs” are, by definition, independent.

Go away and stink up some other corner of the internet.

That’s nothing, R256. Nobody told her how to cross her legs either. That’s right…a possible future American presidential candidate (😂😂😂) needed a lesson in how to cross her legs elegantly.

Markle didn't have a lot of "fitness and yoga training." unless those are codes for aderall and cocaine.

[quote]Meghan Markle once told her business adviser she had “legs as long as a mile” and wanted to find jobs that “showcased” her “asset”.

This from the article at R211. Help me understand how showcasing her "asset" jibes with her desire not to be "objectified" as she feels she was on Deal or No Deal? She met the business adviser in 2014 and she left the game show in 2006 or 2007.

What did the "assets" learn to do in this period of time? Did they cure cancer? Did they find the secret to achieving world peace? What exactly did she mean by "showcase"?

People's calves, even bodybuilder men, are notoriously difficult to bulk up. If you have skinny calves due to genetics, you'll probably always have skinny calves.

Megs probably goes by the adage - you can't be too rich or too thin.

But if you have chicken leg, stick calves, then yes, you can be too thin. They don't look nice. Cover them up! And wear jackets over your spongebob torso - ain't nobody gonna wanna look at that!

R254 is Black Twitter exploding?

I'm not sure what all the comments went on about - but the title of this thread is true, from my observations of celebrity athletes and at the gym: African Americans tend to have thinner calves and ankles. I also think they tend to be longer, knee to bottom of the foot, than Caucasians or East Asians.

So maybe Meghan's storied "Nigerian" ancestry is actually playing out with this feature. She used to have an African-American wide nose, too, and coarse wiry hair, which she straightens. I thought I noticed something similar in at least one photo of Archie - but with all her photo-shopping, I'm not sure.

^ LOL.

(It has to be a mental health issue with that one. The posts are roundly mocked now, yet she persists.)

I'd type more but I can't concentrate over the noise from the black helicopters outside my house.

This was the first time I've ever posted about Meghan's African-American features - what are you going on about?

Why can't we just tell the truth, as we see it?

R266, sorry... that post @ R265 was for R263. Though any discussion of race and Markle is unhelpful and feeds the trolls crying racism. Her race is irrelevant, doubly so when you consider her actions and thus character.

R265 those FBI guys cruising my backyard in search of evidence of me commenting critically of the Harkles are pretty hot, tbf.

I might invite them to, ahem, 'cruise my backyard' later.

If I get arrested for calling Meg out on her delusional bullshit will the Daily Mail be featuring my mugshot along with the value of my house?

Only when you show off your toned pins and your pert derriere.

To me, MM is a true example of 'fake it til you make it'. But past a certain point, the self image is too far from reality, and you just seem crazy.

R269 You’ll have to be wearing a TINY bikini that stuns.

R266 that was just me responding to one of the DL’s resident loons who regularly issues warnings that “the authorities” are tracking our static IP addresses. It’s become a DL meme.

Tomorrow's the day... don't know what it means.

A picture of her doing yoga at one of the links makes her arms look the same length as her legs.

Not a good look.

It's hilarious how she told her ex agent that she and Dimbo would change the world. How, exactly? Giving traumatised people sandwiches after swinging through on a private jet? By writing about her Sizzler visits and non-existent high school job in an attempt to take credit for parental leave in case it passed? And on a letterhead blasting out her title. Sending people $25 coffee vouchers?

Face of L'Oréal, legs for miles, changing the world, phony awards. All those grandiose statements always being issued. FFS. You could not make a funnier person up. People wouldn't believe it. Maybe so many still don't. She's really out there and over the top. She reminds me a bit of Edie from Ab Fab. Except Edie was watchable.

The dispatches-from-the underground poster is back! A welcome change from the ugly/pretty debates.

Is there a "warnings about imminent, explosive investigations" tweet generator? All their posts sound the same.

r275 Unintentionally she really is exposing some of the ugly underbelly of fake humanitarianism and charity foundation effective scams were only 5% of donations need to go to a good cause.

Is your house a detached house, R269? That’s important in the Mail world. I’ve never understood why.

It shows you're rich, r278.

Thanks R279. I lived there for years but continue to find cultural nuances that I’ve never understood.

Seriously, what can KC do to stop the deranged duo in their tracks?

He has every resource at his fingertips. He could hire all kinds of experts on narcissism and sociopaths to advise him and shut this unhinged pair down but apparently hasn't.

At the very least he should have Dr. Ramani, HG Tudor and Gavin deBecker (author of "The Gift of Fear") on retainer and on-call.

Taking the high road with these types just serves as an invitation to be trashed even more by them.

I know he can't take their titles away without taking Andrew's. Andrew will always be a Prince no matter what as halfwit Harry will. Couldn't KC offer Andrew a financial incentive to take away his Dukedom so he can take away Haz's? I'm just spit balling here.

KC is also between a rock and hard place regarding the Coronation. If he doesn't invite them, Archie and Lilli will be programmed everyday of their lives with daily rants about "Your grandfather THE KING, didn't invite you to his Coronation because you are BLACK." If KC does invite them, it doesn't look magnanimous, it looks weak and capitulating.

Sucks to be Charles. Sort of.

I just made it half way through ep 4 of part two and gave it up. Boring and sloppy - they can’t even get basic facts right. E.g. they made a point of stating that the first pregnancy was announced while they were on tour in Australia but it wasn’t - it had been announced before they landed in Sydney on Day 1. Nothing major in the scheme of things but can’t Netflix afford fact checkers?

Otherwise it just rehashed stuff that I knew and they are both seriously uninteresting people. I’ll read the reviews to see if there’s anything interesting coming up but otherwise I’m done.

Charles should definitely invite them but somehow make it plain that they will have a very low status and not invited to the important events. He should also make it plain that Wills and Kate would be given a lot of prominence. But I think they would be afraid to turn up, knowing they will be booed.

I am surprised and disappointed that Liz Garbus, a respected documentary filmmaker, has her name attached to something that is turning out to be, largely, a work of fiction rather than a factual documentary.

It is difficult to anticipate the shenanigans connivers like Ventriloquist Meg and her ginger dummy will pull at royal events they are invited to.

Who could have predicted her "shushing" the Phillips and Tindall kids in the window in order to get herself photographed? Who could have predicted them being late for their scheduled car so they could make a grand entrance? Who could have predicted her scheduling a pap to take covert photos of them walking behind Charles as he went to receive his mother's coffin? Who could have predicted her having the gall to try and schedule her own solo walkabout so she could be the STAR of the Queen's mourning? It's like trying to herd cats, IMPOSSIBLE.

At the very least KC needs to not renew their Frogmore lease and assign a military unit to keep watch over them if they do come sashaying in looking for more ammunition.

R284, why would you be disappointed in Garbus? She and her company make a lot of woke garbage. I did love the Aunt Diane one, though. Credit where it’s due.

And wasn’t there some other black woman director who quit working, and Garbus had to take over? And then they had to bring in some white guy to act as a fixer and get Meghan to cooperate. Interesting evolution.

Garbus may have believed in their cause at first, but I guarantee you that things look a lot different now that she’s under that bus.

Apparently Harry told Charles that they were ready to relinquish their titles if their “half in - half out” Megxit did not work out. Well, it hasn’t, so Charles should go ahead and announce that they are giving the titles up.

Thanks, R286. I wasn't aware of the history of this doc (i.e., that another filmmaker started the project). I did like the Aunt Diane doc and I think Garbus also did a doc on Nina Simone, which was pretty good.

R288, the original director was a woman named Garrett Bradley. She bears a striking resemblance to Meghan, and has a particular focus on certain issues. One of her films was nominated for an Oscar, so she’s no slouch.

What’s puzzling me is that Garbus was announced as the producer in July 2021. Was Bradley hired by Garbus to act as the director? And then had to step in as director when Bradley quit? Garbus’s name has been all over this thing from the start, and Bradley’s wasn’t. I wonder why that is.

This is Garrett Bradley. Did a double-take, didn’t ya?

Wow, R289! That looks like Meghan's uglier first cousin. And thanks for the additional info-- appreciate it.

I doubt Harry is lining up interviews now. If any of this were normal, they’d have been required by Netflix, as part of their supposed $100m deal (ha, no), to do standard promotional interviews, like stopping by GMA or Kelly and Ryan, two weeks ago. Garbus isn’t promoting this either. The only promotion was the Netflix trailers where the comments were left open for all the insults.

Her lawyer Jenny Afia looks like MM as well.

R286, I’m out of FFs so I can’t FF you. There is no reason to point out the colors of the directors the way you did. We see your stripes.

Her lawyer is a "reputation" lawyer aka FIXER.

[quote]It shows you're rich, [R278].

I'd argue in certain neighbourhoods it shows you're not as poor as everybody else, because Kensington, Chelsea, Belgravia, Knightsbridge are all the grandest (terraced) row houses you'll see.

The one-sided drivel these two have vomited up is staggering in its assumption that no one understands that it is one-sided drivel.

Harry has apparently realised that even he went too far in asserting that William bullied the Sussexes out, and now says that that bit went out without Harry's name [presumably he means sign-off] on it.

My favourite bit on Part Two is Harry's assertion is that they didn't want taxpayer money, when he's still trying to get taxpayer money for his security.

Honourable mention: the Mail is responsible for her miscarriage.

Runner-up they picked Vancouver Island because they knew no paps lived there.

The fact that they were unable to find a single photo of themselves being hounded by a horde of paps, and that the Vancouver Island also offered them a huge mansion, likely for free, had nothing to do with it.

And, oddly, they were happy to take Canadian taxpayer money for their security, and left when the Canadian government cut that off

Their hypocrisy is off the graph.

I'm starting to question whether they're intelligent enough to actually be hypocrites.

Sure r295, but anyone in the UK who lives in a detached house is considered rich.

Well, that's stupid. There are crappy detached houses up and down the country and lovely detached houses you wouldn't mistake for the home of the wealthy. It just a different kind of house. What I'd argue is people who observe someone lives in a detached house are manifesting the usual British fixation with class and envy. There's an old joke: An American and a Brith watch as a man is driven past in a chauffeured luxury car. The American says: Some day, I'm going to have a car like that! The Brit says: Some day, I'm gonna find a way to take that car away from him.

La Markle needs a detached house for her ass alone.

They really shot their wad with this one. Calling Charles a liar, their lawyer claiming she has the receipts for how the Palace schemed and placed derogatory stories about Meghan (she's gonna wind up with a lawsuit for that one), Mail on Sunday caused a miscarriage... They are both mentally ill, paranoid as hell and Garbus must be a total idiot or she's desperate for money which is more likely.

The Bouzy guy who runs a bot detector claiming thousands of accounts only belong to a bunch of "white middle-aged women" is categorically unbelievable. He's claimed he doxxed people on Twitter which gets you thrown off Twitter. He evidently earns his living trying to control the narrative on Twitter for his clients (Meghan, Amber Heard, somebody else I've forgotten). Logically, he'll get thrown off Twitter now for doxxing. Good luck, Bouzy guy.

I'd be very surprised if there aren't phone calls between Rishi Sunak and Joe Biden concerning the problem that is Harry. I'm sure they'll be very happy in South Africa where Meghan inspired people to dance in the streets. Maybe she can be elected President of South Africa. Bon voyage!

[quote] their lawyer claiming she has the receipts for how the Palace schemed and placed derogatory stories about Meghan

Serious question. If you had the receipts, why wouldn't you put them forward in the definitive telling our story in our voice documentary?

If you were a serious documentary maker, wouldn't you include the material? Wouldn't you press for its inclusion? Would you be satisfied with more vague allegations of this and that, but not any proof or substantiation?

Of course I trust them implicitly....

r299, the point of the Daily Mail mentioning that someone lives in a detached house is to show that they're rich, not that they're upper class. The upper and upper-middle class don't live so much in detached houses in the city, or they don't particularly aspire to. As you point out, a lot of "old" wealth lives in townhouses. In the "Middle England" middle-class mind of the Daily Mail reader a detached house is a sign of money. The definition of a detached house probably comes from the great building boom of the interwar period, when the London suburbs in particular and also other cities expanded and mostly semi-detached houses were built, but with a few detached and some terraced. This is itself was a great democratising process.

I'm not really sure what your point is, to be honest, aside from pedantry. Perhaps because I am from one of these very suburbs where houses were built and are marketed as detached or semi-detached and which is a very Daily Mail type of place, I don't see the class aspect so much but I do see the wealth aspect.

I'm actually from the same borough as former Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre, who turned the DM into what it is today. so I have a sense of this (even if he himself did go to a posh private school in Hampstead and not one of the local comps).

[quote]He's claimed he doxxed people on Twitter which gets you thrown off Twitter.

To me that's troubling. The downside of free speech is Twitter, but the principle of free speech, save in very serious issues and categories, should be inviolable. So you dox people who talk trash? If there's an issue so serious it justifies doxxing, don't you go to the police or you sue in civil court? If you can figure out how to dox you have the information to follow a process with integrity to it. We've all seen Twitter mobs track down the wrong person before.

R303, thank you for your precise and pedantry free reply. I am sorry you don't understand my point but you obviously take a lot of time and attention in schooling. All good wishes for the holidays.

I did understand your point, r305, I just don't agree with it.

Merry Xmas!

Harry & Meghan Episode 4

Harry & Meghan Episode 5

R303 American Eldergay and former UK resident here. Before the Daily Mail discovered America and started pitching their stories to Republicans here in the States, the DM was a fuddy-duddy Tory paper bought by little old ladies anxious to read horrible things about people they're jealous of.

Harry & Meghan Episode 6

I'm wondering if with all Harry's attacks on the Mail, Di's bestie Richard Kay of the Mail might be coming out with some rather pointed attacks on Harry. Kay no doubt knew Di a lot better than Harry ever did.

I think we can safely put that "Di Conspiracy" crap saying that the RF was involved in Diana's death away in mothballs. These two have done much more than Di did and they are still breathing

You are going too need a sick bucket when watching those last 3 episodes. After watching all this it completely changed my opinion of Doria. She comes off just as big of a phony as Meghan does. She should have kept out of this, and maintained her "quiet dignity" we all thought she had during the wedding. Doria was the poison, and Thomas was the cauldron, that made Meghan the way she is.

Doria was in some cult which is why the father raised Meghan. I wonder which cult. Scientology I doubt, she wasn't rich enough.

What I really want to know, and no one has addressed it to my knowledge, is how involved Dimwit and Dumbass were in the doxxing of people that didn't like her by a writer in the Daily Mail. It sounds like something right up their alley.

The start of episode 5 opens up with her favorite lie of "the family I never had!" from Meghan. Her sad tale of being an only child, and longing for a big family. How many times has she used this obvious lie? Wedding to Trevor, I'm sure she used it with Corey, She most famously used it with Harry, then repeated in the engagement interview, books, this episode, and lord knows who else heard that corny line about being a sad only child. It annoys me because she obviously had a relationship with her extended family on both sides. There's countless photos of her as a child online, enjoying family events!

Well, sadly her family wasn’t comfortable, close, photogenic, supportive and wealthy like umm, Kate’s.

Tyler Perry did himself harm by appearing in this.

Laugh out loud, cringeworthy moments abound in the final three segments.

Meghan relating how the pilot knelt next to her, doffed his hat and thanked her for all she did for his country on the day they left had me howling.

I hope KC doesn't react immediately and leaves them wondering and in limbo like he has about the kid's titles. No invitation to coronation or explanation either.

There is something to be said for just desserts being served cold.

If he does make a statement or takes decisive action, I hope he does it on April 29, 2023 which is Big Willy and Catherine's anniversary. It could be Charles' little gift to them for all they've had to endure because of these two unscrupulous snakes.

Episode 4, why do they insist on making the wedding out like it was honoring Meghan's proud heritage as hardcore Southern Baptist? Serena Williams looks awful in this, what the hell did she do to her face!?

Meghan has claimed to have these mysterious "receipts" for years and has yet to produce a single one. It's such a pathetic ploy. Put up or shut up, Weave.

Imagine if you had friends like this, 40 years old and going on and on about their love story as if they were teenagers. You’d tell them to shut the fuck up.

And Dora is the last person who should be lecturing on parenting skills given she disappeared for years when Meghan was a chils to shag around and take drugs.

If Harry does more interviews, I hope a courageous journalist confronts him with his contradictions and lies, on video. He deserves the hot seat, the lying prick.

Carol service. The dogs bark but the caravan passes by.

En famille.

Requisite Major Johnny

Lovely Kate and her legs that last forever.

Sophie

"Yeah, total bell end, the little tosser."

King and Queen Consort.

Thank you R307, R308, R310

[quote]If Harry does more interviews, I hope a courageous journalist confronts him with his contradictions and lies, on video. He deserves the hot seat, the lying prick.

And the cameras better keep rolling when he stands up, pulls the microphone off his collar, and marches off set like a pompous ass citing that his 'royalty' has not been dignified appropriately.

William sired much better looking children than Harry.

Wow the pics coming in of the Christmas service are enough to tip the Harkles over the edge. They could have been there, part of an extended family, all (not sure how) colour-coordinated in red and green Christmas colours and seemingly a united family.

Instead the increasingly irrelevant Harkles no doubt kick back in their Montecito mansion, feeding the chickens and frantically refreshing their Getty Images feed of the event while lighting their room fragrance diffusers.

Charles and the fairy at the top of the Christmas tree.

Indeed, r334. Archie and Lilibet are especially missing out. Not only are they estranged from family, but they are missing all the opportunities for wonderful experiences that growing up in the royal family could give them.

R335, I thought you meant Charles and Edward.

R336 they are also raised in an atmosphere of paranoia, under the believe that the outside world but especially their father's family and country wants to kill their mother . I hope they have a trust fund to finance their therapy later on .

R338 where QAnon and JFK Jr meet Di conspiracy freaks

I like this thread, our thread, not the satellite threads on a day like today. Sob here's a big WOW:

What is particularly unpleasant about some of the Netflix heavily edited sequences is the implication that the King and all his family are institutionally racist. Such accusations by anti-racism campaigners have been gratuitously inserted without evidence or context to bolster what seems to be an attempt by the Sussexes to portray themselves as champions of equality, human rights and racial justice. This may play well when their fading claim to fame is based solely on their experience of royal life; it can hardly be based on the unsubstantiated claims by campaigners.

Those angered by the self-indulgent whingeing of the King’s younger son have called for the Sussexes to be stripped of their titles by royal attainder. This antiquated procedure is not needed. There is an obvious next step that Harry and Meghan should take. They have made clear that they consider themselves to be at war with the institution of monarchy, an institution that they appear to hold in contempt. They should therefore hand back their titles. The duke should also take himself and his family out of the line of succession.

Harry and Meghan must see the hypocrisy of claiming still to be royal. They know that their extraordinary allegations will not be countered by the monarchy, which has behaved with remarkable dignity and restraint. But their snide remarks will have upset millions of Britons who hold the monarchy, and especially the late Queen Elizabeth, in high regard. They will have damaged Britain’s image in the world. Why cling to royal titles which no longer have any relevance for two people now trading simply on their image as “celebrities”? As commoners living overseas, may they find a new role that brings them happiness. Their present posture is false and risible.

Anyone else note the presence of Pss Eugenie and hubby at the Christmas carol service tonight?

Was it Hold the Famiky Side Up? We Still Hate You Charles and William and Kate But If We Don't Show the Gig Is Up? Or...

The Sussexes went too far this time and we just can't . . .?

Also, she looks up the duff again.

I think huge Euge and her mother are not to be trusted and Charlie and Big Willy should keep a careful eye on them.

Bug-eyed Bea should also be kept at arm's length out of an abundance of caution.

It seems that if any member of the royal family leaks to the media, it's Good Ole Fergie! No doubt her palm must be greased first. One of the royal correspondents was asked if it was true that insiders in the Palace would contact some member of the media to leak a story to detract from some other story - as Meghan seemed to be claiming. The journalist said it had never happened to her or anyone she knew, but if it did she'd print both!

Another journalist was pointing out Meghan knows nothing about the media. She was never famous enough to be dealing frequently with the media. All her experience is with publicists for the TV show she worked for. Publicists will have a great number of clients and it is well known they will throw a lesser client to the wolves to protect a more important client when necessary. That must be what she believes all the media does and what she convinced dumb Harry of.

There's no reason for Eugenie to hate her cousin Harry and I'm sure the family is grateful that there was someone who was able to keep in touch with him and keep the connection going. I don't doubt that she loves her Uncle Charles and is fond of her cousin William.

I've had the feeling in more recent times, however, that even Eugenie has started to get annoyed with Harry. I can't remember any specific thing, but it was an impression I got during the Queen's remembrance events and funeral.

also... the journalist said really famous people - A list movie stars, etc., - know better than to respond to bitchy criticism in the media. It's not worth the trouble and just starts fires that aren't easily extinguished. Had she been very famous, she would know that but she was an obscure supporting actress in a cable show the media outside Canada had never paid any attention to.

-343

The documentary is a mess. In the last episode, there is a clip of Harry and all singing Happy Birthday to Meghan, but the video is dated June 2020. Her birthday is reported to be in August? She is either lying about her birthday, lying about when the video was taken, or (the most likely) the documentary is all just a mess of lies.

Harry is breaking the sacred rule about keeping family business in the family.Every family on the planet has secrets,and issues they dont want the entire world to know. For him to betray that is vile. I detest many of my family members,and I know plenty of dirt on more than a few,but I would never betray that.Now I hope that all of Harry's and that cunts friends drop major shit on them.I bet Harrys buds have LOTS of gossip to share.

R313 I didn’t trust Doria from the moment I laid eyes on her. She seemed shifty and full of skeletons in her closet. The quiet act was just to keep prying eyes away. I bet she got paid big bucks by her equally repugnant daughter to talk in the documentary. To me, she’s a selfish grifter who abandoned her kid to go live her free bisexual lifestyle and get high. And now she’s a reformed ho, pretending to be beatific and wise.

R342 Bea’s husband is a big time royalist. Bea knows one foot is always out the door and it’s her royal connection that will keep him leashed to her. She wouldn’t dare jeopardize that connection with Charles and William. Huge Euge is the weak link and untrustworthy. I can’t tell if she’s the mole for the family or a traitor in the making.

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Harry can't take himself or his children out of the succession. The succession to the throne is determined by Parliament, and only Parliament. Parliament would have to pass a bill removing him or them from the succession, to which Charles would be required to give his assent. (The Royal Assent was last withheld by Queen Anne in the very early years of the eighteenth century.) That's because Parliament, not the monarch, makes laws.

"Lovely Kate and her legs that last forever."

Kate actually has a long waist and proportionally short legs, but because she's tall and lean and knows how to dress for the body she has, she can look as leggy as a supermodel.

Meghan could have learned SO much from Kate and her stylists, but she refused to learn a thing while she had the chance and is still the badly dressed mess she was 5 years ago.

I can't believe these two have been whining for five years

"Harry is breaking the sacred rule about keeping family business in the family."

R347, keeping family secrets is not a "sacred rule", it's a form of enabling!

Yes, keeping your family's minor or harmless secrets from outsiders is the decent things to do, but if you keep quiet about child abuse or stealing grandma's money, you're part of the problem and your secrecy is making it possible for evil behavior to continue. So in theory i'd support Harry and Meg for spilling toxic family secrets instead of honoring the usual family code of silence... IF they had any toxic secrets to spill. And they don't, all they have is petty annoyances that they're exaggerating, and lies.

R300 Damn! She’s so fat she has a hump on her shoulders. She looks like a stout Latina paralegal from the back.

The Times - Britain’s paper of record - calling for Harry to give up his titles and remove himself and his family from the line of succession.

Wow.

(Unpaywalled version)

The Times, being a British paper, should know that only Parliament can do that

Yes, but if Harry actually publicly asked for this to happen, it would start happening.

Harry may not be able to take himself out of the line of succession, but he could, having shot his wad, shut the fuck up and get a job. There’s a global people shortage that may mean that even a dolt like him could find employment. He has cousins and second cousins who are bankers, journalists, actors, art gallery consultants, stylists, academics, soldiers, models, script editors, property developers etc. He may not qualify for any of these but he could work for a charity, unpaid, or I’m sure even his local Costco or Trader Joes has positions open.

The money and the house must be delightful but I cannot imagine how it must be to look forward to the next 50 years trying to keep busy while married to that harpy.

Are you also R351, R357? You’re wrong. Harry can make the request & Parliament can do the rest. So while, indeed, he has to have the paperwork signed off on by others he is not stuck there. He can set the thing in motion…just as his great uncle was able to abdicate by requesting it.. Abdication is essentially the same thing.

And, sorry, I think the Time knows more than some American who’s watched The Crown.

I would love it if Kate announced next week:

"I'M PREGNANT!"

".....WITH TWINS!!!!"

MeMe's head would explode.

Two of DL's favorites together!!

Princess Alexandra escorted by Major Johnny at the Carol Service.

The Sun cover: The Traitor & The Dutiful.

Well, when you've lost pretend journalist Gayle King, you might as well pack it in.

r364 Gayle has turned on them?

r362 Thank you! Good catch-I adore Princess Alexandra!

I guess Gayle never got those receipts she claimed Meghan had. In fact, they offer no more proof of how evil the royals have been to them than those QAnoners in Dallas that JFK is coming back from the dead.

One of his contradictory stories is on one hand he claims they were effectively bullied out of the royal family in 2019 early 2020 leading to Megxit and on the other hand he revealed they had been planning to leave for 2 years- which is before the wedding.Why cant he get his story straight because it cant be both.That also means he let the public pay millions for his wedding and home refurbishment knowing full well they planned to bolt soon.

Most of us clocked Doria from day one. She is indeed the real poison in Megan's ear. Lifelong deadbeat work shy grifter. Her past, like her daughter's, spoke volumes.

Wow, indeed r356. That piece from The Times of London was deadly, though I can’t see Haz & Megs handing back their titles. Thx for link.

R325 call me the frau of all ages, but I love how Catherine always color coordinates her family. Tickled me to no end.

The Times editorial would be humiliating to normal people. It has never published anything like it. For Meghan, this would be like being trashed by People.

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R365, I keep forgetting the ridiculous treatment here of the Daily Mail. Anyway, the article above refers to Gail saying that the last three episodes seemed “very dicey”, and commended the RF for not responding.

r373 Could there be something in their Netflix series that upset Oprah in someway? Perhaps content that undermined or contradicted their interview with Oprah and hence thats why Gayle has become lukewarm publicly?

R374, Meghan described Oprah as being incredulous that Frogmore Cottage was so shabby. You know how poorly those Christopher Wren designs age . . .

Jeez…the world has been though hell and these entitled fools are whining that they lived in a castle with low ceilings.

Sophie looks lovely at r328. Like she's in a Ralph Lauren ad. All kidding aside, she's upped her game; more hits, less misses. Maybe Charles threw her extra $$ for a stylist? Or he should, because she could look fantastic with consistent help.

r375 You reckon Oprah didnt appreciate her comments being revealed?

Star!

For the cold, lifeless Kate trolls.

The whining about Nottingham Cottage is what sets me off the most. A rent free “detached house” as the Mail would describe it on a royal estate in the heart of London. On the end of your private road you have Kensington High Street, on your right you have Kensington Palace Gardens, one of the most beautiful streets in the world, surrounded on three sides by Hyde Park, with the 24x7 security for which they craved. For NOTHING. When people can barely afford to feed themselves or heat their houses. The sense of entitlement beggars belief.

Huge must be pregnant again.

It's funny that brother William, plus Kate, lived in Nottingham Cottage for over two years, so it's not like Harry and his wife were given a "lesser" starter home. Plus they had the house they renting in the Cotswolds.

R374 The American Media is turning on the Sussexes for two reasons: 1) Their star is fading. Americans are not as taken with H&M as they had thought (even less so now after the Netflix series). 2) There is a coronation coming up and the Palace controls Media accreditation.

R384 2) is a very good point.

I am very surprised by Gayle King’s apparent change of heart, though. Have they been dumped by Oprah, do we think?

What's the latest with Gayle King?

Two things, R386. First she told a Mail columnist that “of course” the BRF aren’t racist and H&M don’t think that either. Then yesterday she commended th Palace for not responding to the latest accusations and said that H&M’s comments seemed “dicey”.

So……🤷‍♂️

Thanks, r387

Something I am wondering about - but may be wrong - did Meghan lie about the Grenfell cook book?

She says in this “documentary” (ha!) that it was all her idea. The women running the kitchen were struggling with finances and our Megs says, “Hey, let’s write a cook book then”.

It’s actually my understanding that the book was already being written and was about to be published when she was contacted and asked to write the forward. That’s how she got involved - it was never her idea.

If I’m wrong I’ll take it back but I am sure that’s what happened.

R383, William is two inches taller than Harry, yet he survived living at Nottingham Cottage for two years without a complaint.

R387, Gayle’s miffed she wasn’t asked to be Lilibet’s godmother.

Speaking of Lili, now that the public has seen more of them, will we start to see them on the pap stroll with Meghan soon? I have to assume the the children were kept from view as much as they could, until the big reveal on Netflix.

Looking at twitter just now and Harry m Netflix trending - it’s shocking to see how many - most if not all - are praising them to the skies. Are people really falling for this?? How idiotic do you have to be not to see thru this?

Episode 4 was a slog. The only enjoyment I get out of it is seeing the interiors and never seen photos. One thing is for certain is Meghan was never able to get her figure back from Archie. She must have had to fight like hell to stay thing. Doria is very thin and has a great body for a women her age, but Meghan did get that. I found her to be much prettier when she was younger. The, hair, the fillers, the beige clothes in beige interiors (you think she would go color crazy after the "freedom flight") - everything makes her seem wider.

The "legs for miles" were really on display in her royal outfit choices. I think her problem is she has very skinny calves and then she wears 6 inch spikes which elongate, rather than camoflouge. Kate was on to something on her instance of panty hose. I think they might actually benefit her.

There was a blind item that Meghan was never involved with the children and Archie was her favorite. She never paid much attention to Lilibet. Was Lilibet too young for filming when this was made? Also, why is Archie always wearing a hat in Santa Barbara in ever photo? So many questions.

Nottingham Cottage really looks like a dump.

What's happened to Edo? He looks like he's gained a lot of weight. Beatrice looks lovely.

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'They've sold their souls': Piers Morgan takes aim at Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.

Gayle is still their mouthpiece and cheerleader. She said what she did just to give the appearance of a journalist "questioning" the story. There all a bunch of phonies in cahoots with each other.

^^^^ They are all a bunch of phonies... Not "there". Ugh.

I'm sure she's UTTERLY DEVASTATED, r391. How on earth will she cope, poor dear?

So funny to read the columnists in the DM. They've really got their knickers in a knot.

It is with hearts full of joy that we reach the last three episodes of the H&M show. The couple recently told us that they were advocates for healing, so this week they prised open the festering wound that is their relationship with the royals, rubbed it liberally with salt and ran cackling back to Montecito to count the cash. Let’s take it from the top, for the 4,000th and hopefully last time.

We learn that Meghan’s private secretary told her it would be hard for the family to adjust to her general fabulousness and legendary charm, and I paraphrase slightly, and perhaps it will turn out to be true, or the private secretary’s truth, or both, or neither. The sun rises over Windsor, because Meghan is there and she is marrying Harry and the first of many town criers makes an appearance because nothing sums up 21st-century England like a town crier. Harry says that he had to have a big public wedding like his brother, when all his bride really wanted was to run away to Gretna Green and say “I do” over an anvil. Meghan credits him with choosing the music for her to walk up the aisle, but try as I might I don’t remember the Beastie Boys featuring that day. Silly me: it was Handel’s Eternal Source of Light Divine, an old favourite of Harry’s from his swastika days. Someone called Lucy says the Palace was threatened by Meghan’s popularity, and that’ll tell ’em, Luce, and the subtitles say that melancholic music is playing. Silver Tree makes a welcome return to look serious and confirm that love won. Someone says that the royal family needed a boost of energy, and indeed the late Queen was a notorious sloth, and some bloke from Archewell tells us that it needed “a modernisation that would speak to a new generation of people” and Paddington Bear doffed his cap and said “if only . . .”

H&M complain that they had to live in an idyllic little cottage with roses around the door, and later we cut to Grenfell Tower in flames, an unspeakable tragedy shoehorned in so that we can admire how caring they are as they meet survivors. We learn that Meghan is bringing “honesty and humanity to those spaces”, which is interesting, and then there’s more Diana, and H&M, and cheering crowds and booing Twitter trolls and Meghan weeping prettily and without shedding a tear or ruining her make-up about the injustice of it all. Do you have any idea how low the ceilings were at that cottage? Or how disbelieving poor Oprah was when she came to tea, and witnessed their squalid living conditions? Tense music plays, a headline from the National Enquirer clinches an argument they had with someone, and over to the bloke from Archewell, who’s talking about power dynamics in a constitutional monarchy.

Meghan confirms that there is no connection between Harry having lots of friends before he met her and none after, apart from someone called Nicky, who declines to give his surname and probably wasn’t invited to the wedding on account of it not being Clooney. I lost consciousness when Harry started talking about avocados, which Meghan confirmed are a fruit, and when I came round it had something to do with Kate wearing a one-shouldered ball gown. Harry accuses his brother of dark behaviour, and Meghan complains that she wasn’t even allowed to text a photo to her friends, which is up there with her telling Oprah she had her passport taken away on arrival and only managed to take something like 400 foreign holidays in ten minutes. Does that sound true? It does? That’s good enough for them. An actress from Suits says something and Meghan, never one to nurse a grudge, digs deep to feel bitter once again about the coverage of her $500,000 baby shower in New York, to which she flew on a private jet and oh look, another town crier. Poignant music plays and the précis of episode five reads: “After private correspondences [sic] with their families are leaked, the couple makes a crucial decision — and ensuing online campaigns turn chilling.” They claim to love the peace and quiet they found in Canada after Megxit, which certainly chimes with everything they’ve said and done since, and Harry asks Meghan if she’s filming him as he jumps into the sea and duh, Harry, yes, she’s filming, otherwise what’s the point? And on and on through trolls, and privacy lawyers, and Grio, which might be a publication, or a Twitter handle, or a town crier, saying royal pundits amplify hate, and if Grio says it then it must be true.

A headline from the Mercury News is shown as proof of something, Janet Street-Porter says something on Loose Women and a columnist on The Yorkshire Post writes something they don’t like. H&M complain furiously that nobody wanted Meghan at the Sandringham Summit, and for once, I share her pain and fury. How was she supposed to record a private meeting for public consumption and personal gain if they wouldn’t even let her through the door? A lawyer adds: “Not that she would have done that and to suggest otherwise is untrue and grossly defamatory.” Either way, the last few years have been so stressful that only an appointment with a guided meditation instructor could help. “Your work is not to prove your goodness,” she tells them, and having watched six hours of their work, I can confirm that it has not. Meghan talks about the sacrifices she made for this country and wistful music plays. Sentence of the series goes to Harry, who credits “another amazing friend who we’ve never met”, and in London, the Sussex Survivors’ Club wonder if never meeting H&M was perhaps the best, indeed only, way to be their friend. I’m tempted to call these moaning morons from Montecito the Moomins for short, but that would be defamatory to Moomins, who would be far too sensible to moan about the difficulties of finding a mansion to call your own just as Covid hit. They did, thank goodness — H&M, not the Moomins — and had a blissful lockdown dancing among wildflowers, while over in London Harry’s 95-year-old grandmother raised national morale with the speech of a lifetime. We will close with a quiz. Who said the following? The prize isn’t me telling you the answer, it is you watching the documentary and knowing that you have been enriched by the wisdom of Moomins.

“We are going to rebuild and rebuild and rebuild until it is rebuilt.”

“Keep your big girl panties on.”

“When we find each other and connect, we’re, like, it’s you, it’s you.”

“When you’ve lost a huge piece of yourself, getting that back includes getting back those friendships and things that anchor you to who you are.”

“Raise a glass to the astounding assurance that now life begins and the everlasting knowing that above all, love wins.”

“These claims are entirely false.”

“All small beasts should have bows in their tails/ Or they’ll find themselves locked in Hemulen jails/ If you make a mistake, get ready to pay/ You can’t blame another and then run away.”

What was “Keep your big girl panties on.” in reference to?

Hilary Rose rocks.

R407 I hate that I know the answer to this—Doria told Meghan that amidst the Opra interview fallout

Comparing Meghan to Diana is ludicrous.

One was a naive 20 year old virgin on the day she married a man 13 years her senior.

The other was a 36 year old, previously married actress on the day she married an emotionally troubled man 3 years her junior.

Thank you so much for posting the Hilary Rose article, she is absolutely brilliant and perfectly sums up this pair of idiots.

It would be great if it could be posted as an archive article like somebody has kindly been going previously.

Doria doesn't come off well in this series. She's the one Meghan really seems to take after.

Harry’s autobiography will flop. His next venture will be a coffee table photography book of African wildlife/landscape/people. That will sell well enough because it’s positive not negative whining. It will involve him spending quite a bit of time in Africa away from Meghan. He will enjoy that without really understanding why.

It will lead to a documentary, Harry’s Africa. Again, a couple months of filming. When he comes home, they file for separation.

r413 you are generous in your estimation of him. I see The Masked Singer in his future, contestant not guest judge.

The Hilary Rose piece is scathingly brilliant. It's posted in its entirety above, but here's a link to the archived article.

Was hoping they’d address the naming of Lilibet but no.

Thanks for posting that r415, it is delightful.

The documentary was the biggest disappointing reveal since Geraldo opened Al Capone’s vault on “live” television.

Feudal rights are human rights.

Watched it, loved it, they were treated like shit

They behave like shits.

R413, that's great thinking. And that's what he should have done. And may do. But there's not much money in it. Maybe that is the fundamental conflict in the marriage. She wants to be a star, he wants to wander the plains of the Serengeti. They can't whine forever. Well, they can, but there's surely not much money in that and eventually they'll annoy and depress themselves too with the incessant tedium of the whole song and dance.

Thank you R415 for the link to that gloriously hilarious article.

R420 Someone who actually falls for their BS. Tragic and pathetic all at once.

Don't tell me they don't care about the people of Britain because when you hold hands and dance with wrinklies, it's not all about you.

Camilla's probably at home in the garden, sneaking a fag, watching this on her phone and thinking: I am so doing my own thing.

FYI Muriel is banning BRF threads left and right. I just tried to post on one and it disappeared. Same thing happened yesterday to a different thread. I don’t mind, we don’t have to creat a new thread every time one of them farts.

Bless your heart, R420.

That's right r420, go ahead and base your decisions on a one-sided 'documentary' by two mentally-ill children.

A true documentary would allow for the other side, the BRF, to address the accusations and allow viewers to draw their own conclusions. However, in this case, this fairy-tale they spun is nothing more than a Vanity Piece.

I wonder if Liz Garbus will give one of those what-can-you-do? shrugs every time she enters a room full of people for the next ninety days.

R430, It could have been worse if it were in the hands of Rory Kennedy.

Okay so I've got a question:

[bold]HOW MANY FUCKING SOCKPUPPET ACCOUNTS DO YOU BITCHES MAINTAIN???[/bold]

I mean fucking hell. I block another 10 klan grannies and another 35 pop up in their place.

It's like every racist menopausal cunt in the UK posts to these fucking threads.

Says of all people R432 who has got dozens of sockpuppet accounts herself.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will be invited to the Coronation of King Charles III despite their public criticism of the Royal family, The Telegraph has learned.

The Sussexes – who used their Netflix documentary to make a series of serious allegations against the palace and their family – will be included in the ceremony on May 6 if they wish to attend.

Neither Buckingham Palace nor Kensington Palace has responded to claims made in the series, including that the Prince of Wales “screamed and shouted” at his brother and briefed the media against him. They await further disclosures in Prince Harry’s memoir on Jan 10.

The palace will also not respond to public calls for the removal of the couple’s titles, it is understood, despite growing demands from critics for them to stop using Duke and Duchess of Sussex in their new lives.

Sources have said working members of the family intend to maintain “dignity” in the face of public criticism, continuing their engagements without further comment.

^ Senior political sources are now urging the Duke and Duchess to simply stop using their titles rather than force Buckingham Palace or the privy council to remove them.

One Conservative MP, who did not want to be identified, said: “If they want to use the titles they should have more respect for the institution. They are trashing their family whilst using titles handed to them by that family. Have some self-respect.”

The Telegraph understands the Royal family believes that to remove the Duke and Duchess’s titles would be “unnecessarily punitive”.

One source familiar with the couple’s exit discussions said it was never on the table, adding: “It is more than clear that they are independent now.

“You have to ask what damage it is causing the institution? The HRH is different as it suggests they are working on behalf of the monarchy. A Dukedom does not.”

Another said of forced removal of the Sussex title: “I don’t think it’s something the palace would ever even consider.”

r432 unless you like getting upset I would avoid this thread if it bothers you that much.

I have seen a few comments asking what the hell is wrong with Tyler Perry. They hardly know him but make his their daughter's godfather? That is fucked up. All 3 of them deserve backlash for that.

They obviously hope that Tyler will remember Lilibet in his will.

A week ago I would have thought differently, R435, but now I agree they shouldn't even bother about the titles. Harry and Meghan continue to rant and rave and the Royal Family's response is humiliating, 'that's nice, dear'. The Netflix series really seems to be the final nail in their reputational coffins. I don't even think the public will pay much attention now to Harry's book since this series ruined whatever credibility remained.

I've gone to some of my other online haunts and commentors who are typically supportive of Harry and Meghan and anti-monarchy are expressing exhaustion with them and even sympathy with William, a la 'I hate the monarchy but can understand William's position' etc.

[quote]The Telegraph understands the Royal family believes that to remove the Duke and Duchess’s titles would be “unnecessarily punitive”.

Yes, the 'Special Needs OverSeas' couple don't have the maturity to even survive without being able to shamelessly flaunt their titles.

The Crowns of Britain has put up another hilarious post.

R440, the statement that taking away the titles would be “unnecessarily punitive” is exquisitely cruel. It says, we know you have nothing left and we feel a bit sad for you.

I can feel Harold's brain hiccuping from way over here.

If the Telegraph story is true doesnt that put the Sussexes in an unenviable position of their own making-damned if they do attend because of the hypocrisy and damned if they dont because it means they have less royal connection to be of interest to people like Netflix?

R444, not only that, if they attend they will have to face a very hostile British public.

I imagine the Royals are just trying to navigate this as carefully as possible until the divorce.

I believe they will be loudly booed.

I dont think even Meghan is enough of a psycho to put herself on a world stage with the chance she might (will) get booed .It will be UGLY. Is she really that thick skinned ? I know shes venal,manipulative,a liar,etc,etc,but that would take some giant world class cojones. I dont think she has it in her.

So, if they got, or are getting, $100 million from Netflix and $25 million from Spotify, then why did her check bounce?

R449, that was probably just case of her PR getting ahead of itself. At one point, you’ll recall, they were going to be given the largest apartment at Kensington Palace; a few years later they were going to be presenters at the Oscars . . . None of that happened, of course. It’s as if lying was something they did regularly.

[QUOTE]Is she really that thick skinned ? I

Clinical Narcissists are notoriously thin-skinned. Think gossamer. But, of course, she would turn it right back on the British public as yet another example of racism. Or "I worked and sacrificed so much for them and this is how they thank me?" accompanied by free flowing tears.

Just down the left cheek, though.

Their press has been almost uniformly horrible, even in America. As most of DL predicted, their gift for exaggerated self-pity and overreach has yet again had the opposite effect from what they intended.

You cannot hide on stage. The more they expose themselves, the worse they look.

They never learn.

The BRF had a very successful event yesterday. They looked calm and united, adorable.children holding candles, William quoting the revered late Queen. They didn't seem nervous at all. Nice family attacked by sociopaths, that's how it is playing.

Today Charles was joyfully received at a Jewish Community Center and danced the hora.

Harry's response, his version of "moving on", is to file another lawsuit, this time against the Mail, the SUN, and the Mirror.

Omid Scobie is gleefully coming out with a book called "Endgame".

I wonder if he realises from the response the NF debacle generated whose endgame it really is?

The Spectator.- "Most viewers can see this for what it is: an attempt to elevate Meghan to godlike, Obama-Oprah status while avoiding any responsibility for the Sussexes’ mishaps along the way."

The review up on Jezebel is a bloodbath. Which is surprising as Jezebel should be Markle Central.

>>In the documentary Harry says he emailed his father, then the Prince of Wales, from Canada at the end of 2019 when he and Meghan were trying to establish a different way of working with the royal family. He says he sent him emails on January 1, 2 and 3. “In one of those, I’d mentioned that, you know, if this wasn’t going to work out, then we would be willing to relinquish our Sussex titles, if need be.” A few days later The Sun ran a front-page story saying the couple were preparing to leave the country. Harry tells the programme: “It became clear that the institution leaked the fact that we were going to be moving back to Canada. “And the key piece of that story that made me aware that the contents of the letter between me and my father had been leaked was that we were willing to relinquish our Sussex titles. That was the giveaway. And I was like, ‘Wow’. Our story, our life, literally got taken from underneath us.”

Really? "And I was like, ‘Wow’. Our story, our life, literally got taken from underneath us.”

I'm sure people struggling financially or impacted by covid or other illnesses, not to mention those who are victims of heinous crimes or just bad luck, those living in war zones/under dictatorships, well, I'm sure ALL their hearts bleed PROFUSELY for the poor, put-upon Sussexes. Someone other than their own PR leaked something before they could!

Well, he lives with the equivalent of a teenage girl from the Valley. He's gonna pick it up,

It's unfathomable that they would be invited. The weakness in Charles and his mother is just staggering.

R458 come back when your are Head of State of the UK and of 14 other countries as well as Head of the Commonwealth and let us all know of what you would do better.

Viewing of “The Crown” doesn’t necessarily equip you with what’s required to make these decisions.

Btw, the DL fave, Princess Michael of Kent graced the Christmas Carol concert with her presence, Bea is pictured excitedly hugging her.

Yes, Pss Michael was there, wearing a 30 year old coat and hat trimmed with farmed mink.

She's my favourite royal gal!

R455, really?

[quote]Doubting the cruelty that Harry and Meghan suffered during their time together as members of the royal family—which only worsened once they left—is the wrong takeaway from this story. The couple was being hounded by the British press (even in a place as supposedly inaccessible as Vancouver Island), and the monarchy’s decision to strip them of their security after they stepped back from their royal duties was heartless, if not also deeply dangerous.

[quote]The moments the couple are most captivating are when they discuss the passions they pursued in earnest. Prior to officially marrying into the royal family, Meghan spent about nine months volunteering with the immigrant women of color who were displaced in the deadly 2017 Grenfell fire in London. Once she officially became a duchess, she helped them raise money by writing the foreword for a cookbook they published. On the flip side, the least effective moments of the series are when Harry and Meghan desperately try to kiss up to the royal family, with Harry telling stories about how King Charles helped out with their wedding and Meghan recounting tender moments with the late queen.

They still seem to be very much MM PR central, and accept Meghan’s « truth » unquestioningly.

His name is Henry r443, not Harold.

Besides the general exhaustion with their whining, another unintended and negative narrative is emerging: Harry's weak mental health, in particular his arrested development and mommy fixation. While everyone can feel for him having lost his mother and for having had to go through the public grieving, few have understanding for his mommy obsession, his mania for seeing Diana in Meghan, and his seeming inability to move past the tragic event of 1998.

Harry's comment/complaint about the Queen just sitting there, not saying a word during the Sandringham summit really drives home his imperceptiveness, lack of social nous and, apparently, a complete unfamiliarity with the family and its history. The Queen famously detested confrontation, avoiding it whenever possible. It must have been overwhelming to be sitting there watching this explode among her family. At the age of 93 when nobody, sovereign or not, should be subjected to this. God, he's such an asshole.,

R458 "Well placed Palace sources" have turned out to be wrong frequently. Wait till the guest list comes out.

And even if they're right, I can't imagine the Sussexes wanting to face the family, the booing crowds . . . And being reminded of their "place" in the institution.

And I wonder if Charles is betting on that.

Of course Harry and his wife will be invited to the Coronation. It's absolute nonsense to think they won't be. And Harry and his wife will attend.

R467, And they will regret it.

Yeah, it's a bit of a bind for Harry and Meghan if they attend, r468. If they don't attend they'll come across as nasty cunts. If they do attend, they'll simply underline how important and special the royal family is. For their kids' sake, even if they won't remember much, I hope they and the kids attend.

It just doesn't make any sense why they would be r467. They literally filmed this while the Queen was dying.

It just doesn't make any sense why they would be r467. They literally filmed this while the Queen was dying.

The Jezebel write up was tepid at best. The writer watched the show at 1.5x.

If Charles invites them to the Coronation he should also invite Pa Markle! Game, Set, Match!

They were able to stir up trouble at the queen's death and funeral, but it won't be so easy at the coronation - no last visits, lying in state, etc to muscle in on and whine about.

I spotted so many errors in the Jezebel piece, but credible publications are wrong these days and staffed by semi literate 22 year olds so I guess Jezebel's about as reliable as the ladies talking over the fence.

The one that leaps out is the idea the royal family cut off their security. They did not. Security for the royal family is provided by a specialist branch of the Metropolitan Police, which ultimately links to the Home Office. It's why dimwit is suing the government over his protection.

Camilla attended a star studded Christmas party this week.. interesting crowd... Judi Dench, Maggie Smith, Hugh Bonneville and... Piers Morgan. Make of that what you will. Pictures over at the site that will prompt the tepid autotext.

I understand the decision to invite them but I hate the idea. I can see them slinking into Westminster Abbey... but on the balcony? Present as members of the family? Presented as members of the family? Surely nobody trusts them, barely likes them now... why would anybody want them around? But I get. She's still got her book to write. God knows they're capable of saying anything. I'm not sure who'd believe it, possessed of a brain, but still I get it.

The invitation is a real dilemma for them. They have to know now how the family feels about them and their antics yet her desire to be Miss Thing will be so strong. They won't know what to do. I bet they come and am delighted they will be booed as roundly as they will be.

As I've already mentioned here, it is impossible to anticipate what antics they will pull at the Coronation. They are difficult to manage, like trying to herd cats. Major Johnny will be otherwise occupied and unable to sit behind them and keep watch this time.

Can Charles not renew the lease on Frogmore in March? Thus making it more difficult for them to accept an invite as they wouldn't be in the thick of things? Let their bestie Euge host them if they can't get a hotel reservation.

FWIW, it is being rumored on IG that their latest nanny, August through October, quit because she didn't get her overtime pay.

I can totally picture Meg taking a page out of the Trump playbook at every opportunity and telling contractors "I'm not satisfied with your work". I wonder if she tried to pull that "not satisfied" bullshit on Sunshine Sachs to worm her way out of paying her bill.

I agree with inviting them to everything, albeit in second or third tier roles. That approach would serve to dilute them.

They will be invited to the coronation but deny being invited, or they will find something wrong with the arrangements and therefore, refuse to go. Then say or do something to try to distract from the big event. It’s the only playbook they’ve got.

In addition to hearing from former husband Trevor, I would enjoy hearing from Cory, the Canadian chef Meghan was living with when she began dating Harry.

Beyoncé’s reps are saying they don’t recall her sending a text to H & M. Hahahaaaa

OMG R483,how embarrassing ! If one is going to lie,do it right! Dont lie about shit thats easily confirmed !

Linky please R483

It’s called “taking the high road”, which the BRF has been doing pretty effectively until now.

Meghan found her mark, probably beyond her wildest dreams, and she will milk her situation for all it's worth. Unfortunate for her, however, is that she lacks any awareness of how much she might have had, staying a working royal, and thought she could turn her 1.5 years as a working royal and daughter-in-law to a King of Great Britain into a fortune, without having to be a working royal. It remains to be seen if she can. Their expenses must be enormous and one wonders when they will start to feel the pinch financially. When their story is no longer newsworthy and only repetitious, will they be able to attract interest that will lead to income? If the money dries up, that's when the relationship will be the most strained. Also, read today's announcement by Buckingham Palace about the meeting between Ngozi Fulani and Lady Susan Hussey to see an example of masterful crisis management.

[quote] Well, he lives with the equivalent of a teenage girl from the Valley.

Harry has become a little femme with his wording, gestures, and valley speak. He was talking about press leaks and was like "if you can't see it how clear it is after all this, then I can't! I mean, just can't!"

I am guessing Harry has no real friends in CA, is probably quite isolated, and is with Meghan 24/7. There are moments when Meghan says something about his family (note Meghan tries to make the royals a little too familiar - she always says "his grandmother", "his dad", "his brother") and Harry has this flash in his eyes, like almost a half eye roll where he looks like he wants throttle her, and then will smile.

I bet they have some knock down fights in that household.

[quote] His name is Henry [R443], not Harold.

Actually, he goes by 'H' now

Their story already is repetitious.

[quote] If Charles invites them to the Coronation he should also invite Pa Markle! Game, Set, Match!

Complete fantasy fiction but this is so genius. Maybe not at the Coronation itself, but how great would it be if Charles had a couple of truth bombs (Tom & Samantha) hidden away in a suite at Buckingham Palace, quietly waiting for their surprise reunion with M & H. Even better, pre or post Coronation, Kate (immaculately put together) is the one to trot them out and say "Surprise, let's just all work this out now as a family".

r31, there was a photo of teenage M3ghan in her bedroom, with pics of Diana on the wall.

R492, I know that picture has been floating around, but I thought it was proven to be a fake.

[quote]When their story is no longer newsworthy and only repetitious

When?!?

He won't want to go to the Coronation - seeing Camilla crowned will throw him into full Roman Roy - but she'd sell a kidney, given the evident lack of a soul.

FFS, R492. That picture is a fake - and an obvious one at that. Grow up.

R492 also thinks Dump looks exactly like the pics in his silly trading cards.

It never ends.

In her latest video Lady C. alludes to a something I've been saying all along. That KC does tread carefully so as not to create a Widow Meghan situation.

Wow, how insightful of Lady Colon indeed ... everyone with two working cerebral hemispheres knows it's vital to prevent a Dowager Duchess of Sussex situation with Meghan doing her one tear shitshow at her late husband's funeral and recreating the JFK funeral with Merchie and Lilibeet saluting at their dead father's coffin.

R498 These two are such fucking idiots! They are gliding into irrelevancy, while their attacks are no longer damaging the monarchy. In fact, their attacks have actually only increased William and Catherine's popularity in the UK. Even in America, the media is turning on them and the polls are showing their popularity in the US is declining. The media seems to get (particularly with the coronation coming) the in the long run, the monarchy will continue on.

It also has to be said that unlike the conservative commentators who think H&M should be stripped of their titles, the BRF's dignified science and just getting on with the job makes them look like the adults in the room. Additionally, it is clear from the photos coming out of Kate's carol service, the royals are actually more united than they probably have been in a while. The institution is secure. All of the things that were supposed to happen after the queen died haven't. The affection for the late Queen is slowly being transferred to the new King. Camilla being titled Queen Consort hasn't caused an outpouring of protest, in fact no one seems to care.

Basically the Sussexes have already lost the PR war but they are too far up their own asses to see it!

Can we discuss this Times article? How desperate are they to get back in? Obviously they want it to look like they've forgiven the family and graciously returned, instead of regretting their tantrum and begging to get back in. We all know they do regret it though, hence the summit request (leaked by palace for this very affect?). Should Charles let them save face as long as they come back? I think they'd be on their best behavior after that. They wouldn't want to be left out in the cold again.

R502, if they had a brain between them they would not be in this position. Of course they’d love to meet and talk endlessly about themselves and their feelings, but for the RF it would be like taking an abuser back. They’d get comfortable and start attacking all over again.

What The Times doesn't say is WHY a half-in, half-out model doesn't work. The nation supports the working royals financially. If they were to go commercial and exploit their royal status for money, the nation would no longer want to support them. Members of the family who are not working royals (e.g., Eugenie, Beatrice, Peter Phillips, Mike Tindall, David Linley, Zara Phillips) are free to make money as they wish and, indeed, they do sometimes exploit their nearness to the monarch for money. But the Waleses, Princess Anne, the Wessexes, the Gloucesters, and the Kents (i.e., the working royals) do not and may not. The late Queen was absolutely right to tell the Sussexes that either you're in, or you're out. The Sussexes simply want to have it their way and can't accept that someone else has had the last word. So, they carry on like adolescents having a lengthy tantrum.

I think it's hilarious that the Sussexes now want to meet with the royal family. They think that, since releasing the Netflix series, they have some kind of upper hand. Or perhaps they think that now that they've put "their" truth out there, they are ready for a reconciliation. But they are oblivious to the fact that, after you have attacked, insulted, and disrespected people, they seldom want to come together with you to reconcile. Their selfishness and self-centeredness is limitless.

I'm ambivalent regarding King Charles III. I would lose any respect for him if he invites these two clowns to the Coronation. He has to make a very difficult decision: either he wants the monarchy and his family to endure or he has to cut off his toxic son and his wife. Don't explain, don't complain. Most people would understand if he didn't want them at such an important event. They bring nothing but drama to the table. He needs to grow some balls and do what he has to do. The Sussexes have made it abundantly clear that they can't stand you, then cut them off.

Harry is still his son, r506. It would be completely inappropriate not to invite him and cause more problems than it would resolve. Charles has no interest in cutting Harry out of his life.

It's always better in situations like this to be the bigger person and proffer the invitation. Clearly, from past events, they won't be given a prominent role and they certainly won't be invited to the balcony appearance. The event will be so tightly choreographed that there will be little the Sussexes can do to disrupt the events.

Killing them with kindness is probably the best thing Charles can do at this point.

R505, they’ve done more than hurt the family: they are a legal liability. They repeatedly abused and harassed their staff. They can’t be “rehired” knowing what they will inevitably do again once they think that they have power.

Have we discussed that in episode 6 we learn why Meghan’s niece participated in the documentary? Meghan explains that she reconnected with the niece recently —so obvs cut her off before the wedding.

Pretty obvious that she reconnected to ensure the niece would appear in the documentary to demonstrate that Meghan has a relationship with one family member other than Doria.

Also explains why the niece appears slightly startled and confused why she’s in the documentary.

This poor girl has no real family—her mother gave up custody of her. And I’m sure was flattered that her fairly successful actress aunt took an interest in her. Just to be blindsided by Meghan telling her she couldn’t attend wedding because it would draw too much unhealthy attention to her. And then ghosted her until a year ago, when, suddenly!, it’s perfectly fine to draw unwanted attention to her by putting her in this disaster of a documentary.

Meghan truly is a piece of work.

I had a better option of Harry before the doc, but now convinced he’s as bad as she is—just a different shade of asshole. She’s cunning and he’s a dummy. She’s a shameless striver and he is lazy as hell. She’s ruthless and he’s rudderless. She will lie to achieve any aim and he feels entitled to the keys to the kingdom without bothering to learn how to drive.

They both are entitled whiners who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Oh, and they are humorless—humor and the ability to laugh at herself was Diana’s saving grace. They have no saving graces.

A DLer suggested that Charles invite Reese Witherspoon to the coronation. I laugh each time I think of that. Too bad Charles isn’t being advised by a DL council. We’d make sure H/M get the public humiliation they deserve.

R511, The niece looks ten years older than Aunt Meg.

I thought that the niece was a) quite attractive and b) accomplished as an immigration lawyer. Surprised that she didn’t make the cut for the wedding.

R514, Meg did not want a “Pippa” at her wedding to draw attention away from HER.

The writer couldn’t be more politically opposed to me but in this case she gets it just right.

IMHO Charles is right to invite H&M to his coronation because if they attend it only makes them look more ridiculous after all the "truth" bombs they've hurled at the royal family. On a human level, I know Charles must want to see his son and his grandchildren so the fact that he wants them there despite it all actually proves he's a caring father.

I agree with the argument that the royals should just keep calm and carry on while Harry and Meghan rot in California. There is no point in engaging with them. Nothing will ever be enough for them. I feel like William gets this and will ice Harry so long as he is still with Meghan and even then I think he will never trust H ever again. I think while Charles is still alive, there will be a crack in the door for Harry but once he's dead, William will not ever speak to him again.

Except for the parts where they contradict themselves with their "new revelations", r490.

Then it has to be asked: why lie about stupid things like how they met or how Dimbo proposed?

R485 sorry I posted that and ran. Here’s a link

So what's next? After the RF doesn't have a sit-down with them and doesn't issue an apology to the sainted pair, will the world be treated to another chapter of their docuseries? Will Meghan cry while standing in her knowing? Will Harry intone about how he actually feels sorry for his brother being caught in a pain cycle and married to a woman who fits a role and isn't experiencing a grand, transforming LOVE like he is?

Interesting that, despite having six hours of air time, these two really don’t deliver any “royal gossip.” You don’t get a sense of who anyone in the RF is. Harry’s memoir is said (by the Times, I think) to be more “incendiary,” but a pile of wet leaves would be more incendiary than this series.

[quote]The couple feel the royal family has shown double standards by instigating a reconciliation meeting between Ngozi Fulani, the charity boss, and Lady Susan Hussey, a former lady-in-waiting to Queen Elizabeth. The latter made “unacceptable and deeply regrettable” comments about Fulani’s heritage last month, and Hussey offered her “sincere apologies” at last week’s meetings.

[quote]A source close to the Sussexes said: “Nothing like that was ever done when Harry and Meghan raised various concerns — no meeting, formal apology or taking responsibility or accountability. That is hard to swallow — 100 per cent yes they’d like to have a meeting.”

R502 this stood out from The Times piece. M&H trying to crowbar a “meeting” with the RF whom they have slandered and harmed, based on an apology proffered by a courtier for a glancing exchange at a social function—completely irrelevant situation to M&H's.

Do they think this is persuasive? They are delusional.

^delusional is an understatement.

Where did they get the idea that the family wants to meet with them?!

They simply don't hey that nobody wants a peace offering now. The Harkles have done their worst, it rolled off the BRF's back, the Harkles got horrible press and their polls in Britain fell even farther afterward. . .

The BRF doesn't NEED them to thrive and they were fools to prove it to the BRF. What's more, by now most of the family realise they don't want them back even on a private level.

"Windsor Castle will stand without you. They can still rule the land without you. And without much ado [they] will all muddle through without YOU!"

I think La Markle and her henchman vastly overestimated their potential influence in the US. The reviews of all the Hollywood outlets are terrible. The reviews of the high-brow media (Atlantic, etc.) are terrible. They're basically pitching their story to Kardashian fans and that may well be a way to make money but it's not a way to hit the A list in Hollywood and get respect.

They're basically Real Housewives now. The director Liz Garbus had a good reputation. She screwed herself with this one so she must be getting paid the majority of that legendary $100 million.

I just finished watching the Netflix documentary on the eruption in New Zealand that killed and maimed a whole lot of tourists. There was no self pity from those survivors. Harry and Meghan should suck it up and stop whinging about their "terrible" experiences.

Tyler Perry seems like a nosy nelly/busy body. He was also one of the people comforting Will Smith after the slap at the Oscars. He was equating his childhood physical abuse with Meghan's claims of abuse from the RF and the media, they are not the same.

The Sussexes will never get another private meeting with Charles and William. Not when the details of the meeting will be leaked to the press within two hours of its conclusion.

Also anyone famous will hesitate to tell them anything privately since they know Harry and Meghan talk too much.

Seems pretty obvious that the RF has consulted with experts and are following their advice on how to deal with narcissists: Grey Rock. They are grey rocking the hell out of H&M.

Since attacking them hasn't gotten the response they expected, they're now demanding an apology. Again, typical narcissistic behavior, and again, the best way to deal with these types is to not react and not play their games.

[quote] Then it has to be asked: why lie about stupid things like how they met or how Dimbo proposed?

Narcissists are known for being frequent, habitual, casual liars. It doesn't have to be about important stuff. They are simply in the habit of lying. If called on it, they'll react in rage, and once they calm down, they'll lie about something totally different in order to distract their accuser(s).

Remember another tell about adults with personality disorders: they seek pity. Stable adults tend to keep their problems to themselves and generally prefer not to discuss them in public. People with personality disorders seek attention and support, and know one of the easiest ways to get both is to share or invent tales of woe.

She's thin skinned yet has balls of steel to cold call Tyler Perry and ask to borrow a house and a private jet.

The author of the Sociopath Next Door, a fantastic book on antisocial personality disorder, says an appeal to pity while continuing to lie is as close as we get to the Mark of Cain for sociopaths.

[QUOTE]It is understood the royal family and Buckingham Palace have no plans to respond to the Sussexes’ claims in the Netflix series or to arrange a meeting with the couple.

What else could they do? Gray-rocking is the only effective way to deal with such extreme narcissistic pathology. Any other response, be it positive or negative, provides a hook for further engagement and manipulation by the Sussexes driven by Meghan's inexhaustible engine.

The clinical lore among mental health professionals is that patients with severe personality disorders have more energy and determination than anyone else in the room. They keep pressing harder, going on and on to further agendas, whatever they might be. Their pathology makes them relentless. And they are totally incapable of insight, the reason why Axis II disorders are essentially untreatable. It's rare to find successes among them.

Harry and Meghan really are a poisonous combination: A borderline (Harry) and a toxic narcissist (Meghan).

Those poor fucking kids.

What Harry doesn't get is that once Meghan has sucked every ounce of narcissistic supply out of their marriage, she will turn on him with a staggering fury. Will his family help him then? Charles, probably. William, maybe not.

And reveal text messages, or their reactions to text messages, r528.

Were the UK press ever that bad to them? Considering all the things they've done which point to both of them having personality disorders, the UK press articles don't stick the boot in very often. Obviously they've asked for it with this reality show, but most of the time the UK press just report what they do. And so much of what they do is hypocritical and/or stupid. Neither could be referred to as a brains trust. I know if I happened to work for a UK paper and heard about all the crazy Harkle shit over tiaras, abandoning rescue dogs and a royal bride only having one relative (but quite a few celebrities) at a wedding, I'd sure as fuck write about it.

Neither of them are normal, that is clear. They thought they'd continually be lauded after wasting so much money on clothes, taking so many private jets and then making up lies? Sure, they are targeted more than anyone else on youtube (there's a whole cottage industry on there in hating them) but the whingeing about the mainstream UK media just sounds like more lies in line with the personalities described at r529.

Can any UK DLers recall terrible articles written about them, particularly before they issued that letter establishing M as Dimbo's gf and claiming victim status? Apart from that stupid article mentioning exotic DNA and the US generated "straight out of Compton".

I'm confused about the "miscarriage" story. Another piece of work is Abigail Spencer. Per Abigail, she came to visit Meghan who was holding Archie and was excited to see the new house. But there was something in Meghan's eyes that she instinctively knew that Meghan was not OK. Meghan says she wasn't feeling well and then she collapsed, crocodile tears ensure. Per Meghan, she was changing Archie early in the morning and had the miscarriage. Was Abigail there when it happened? If Meghan collapsed during their visit, wouldn't she have gone to the hospital?

Also, now watching the 6 episodes, the opening credits are so cheesy. It didn't skip over them today. The music is like a mix of Downton Abbey meets The Crown.

Meghan also speaks or guides Harry often I noticed. Meghan often will lead Harry in the direction she wants to go or interrupt him is he's going in the wrong direction.

R530, Perry was abused as a child. Victims of abuse are often vulnerable further abuse, because it’s the emotional pattern that’s familiar to them. I can see him being incredibly flattered that she would confide in him and ask for his help.

r532 I think they both have narcisstic personality disorders.

Jeremy Clarkson who said he wants to see Meghan treated like Cersai (Game of Thrones) and parade her naked and have people throw excrement on her. He does not help those of us who want to have a civilized conversation about this train wreck. It just gives her fans another thing to point at that Meghan is being abused.

Of course Harry is narcissistic--he was treated like a huge deal until the age of 28, when the birth of his brother's oldest child made him surplus to requirements. That would be a mindfuck for anyone, even someone more intelligent and stable than Harry has ever shown evidence of being. He's never accepted his diminution in status, never seemed to understand that he would still lead a very privileged life for the rest of his days, or value the increased freedom and privacy he would enjoy once he wasn't the spare anymore. Classic Spare Syndrome--Margaret and Andrew had it, too.

He and Meghan certainly never considered that they could have defined their royal roles in contrast to William and Kate's. Suppose the Sussexes had dug into their duties, particularly the Commonwealth ones. In that case, they could have established themselves as the freer, hipper, more modern working royals Kate and William could never be. They could have made themselves beloved and given themselves status and influence that would have lasted even after George, Charlotte, and Louis were adults.

The Sussexes only thought about immediate fame and money and the possibility of discomfiting Harry's family--short-term gains, not long-term status and security. The result is the current mess they are in--widespread ridicule, little financial gain, and guaranteed obsolescence within a decade.

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^^^ Link to what I was talking about at r539

Meh BFD I'm not responsible for what anyone else says.

Jeremy Clarkson needs to keep his weirdo sexual fantasies to himself.

Nobody sane wants that for Meghan. We just want her to go away OR, if she must thrust herself in the public eye, find something else to talk about than how victimized she is.

I think the reason they lied about the way they met was to attempt to cover up for another lie that she got a lot of ridicule for—-that she never researched her husband. The new story is that they met on instagram and she learned about him there and therefore didn’t need to research him.

First rule of dealing with narcissists: do not engage. If you have at first, disengage.

I think the Sussexes don't want to go to the coronation and are doing everything they can to make it possible for Charles not to.invite them.

It's not as they'll be given a role. They know now they'll meet with active hostility from the crowds, never mind most of the family.

Charles needs bot to trbre the lease on Frogmore Cottage, ignore them, becer invite them again to anything, and to take the Sussex title when that Bill passes trmovk g the necessity of for Parliament"s formal sign-off for the Sovereign to ta kn e a title.

And not to leave the Sussexes a farthing from his estate.

R506 is SPOT ON. To invite them would be absolutely ludicrous. It was ludicrous they were at the funeral. It looks like they are doormats.

Charles will invite them and leave Harry and Meghan the choice of refusing to go OR showing up and being reminded once again of how much nobody wants them there.

The Sussexes surely want him to yank the invitation because then they could use it as more grist for the victim mill. Charles's advisors are much too smart for that.

They'll be invited, all right.

This 2022 not 1822 . if those 2 knuckleheads wanted to live a private life,they could have walked away. Even in this world you can live relatively obscure if you choose. They keep talking like this is the game of thrones period,and the royal family is some all powerful evil entity. Bitch,unplug and walk away .Yes,its that easy.

If the BRF keeps doing what they've been doing, showing Harry and Meghan cool courtesy while avoiding all deep interactions and making vague, gentle pronouncements of wishing the Sussexes well, it does as much as is possible to deflate the Sussex balloon of grievance. ANY hostile actions, whether refusing them a coronation invite, taking away a title, etc., will just give Harry and Meghan something to point to--"See? see? We told you we were abused!"

The current course of action is really the only sane one for the BRF to pursue. Harry and Meghan will turn on each other soon enough.

Harry just looked so undignified, no better than one of the Kardashian males.

Remember when they changed the succession rules so daughters could inherit over brothers? The BRF did that once they knew Kate was carrying a boy. They changed the rule, knowing it would have very little impact for about 30 years. This family knows how to play the long game. They will wait Harry and Meghan out, knowing that they'll be yesterday's news in a decade or less.

And yes, technically the rule change had immediate impact because it means Charlotte is ahead of Louis. Still, given that neither Charlotte nor Louis will likely inherit, it's not the same impact it would have had if Charlotte had been born before George. The person who will eventually take the throne has not changed.

It wasn’t the BRF who changed the succession rules, R552. It was an Act of Parliament, based on the Agreement of the Commonwealth countries, and it’s been in the works years before George was born.

R552 - R554 is right. It wasn’t a knee-jerk reaction once they knew George was a boy. It was in the works for long before that. These things don’t just take a couple of weeks, you know.

Why do people always have to assume the very worst of Britain and the BRF? It’s so ignorant.

It would be hilarious is the real war was between Harry and Meghan. Her doing everything she can to make him file for divorce so she can be free and hey her Diana moment, him refusing to oblige and yes-dearing her according to palace advice.

Meghan: "So then I called Tyler Perry and he saved me like a *real* man would."

Harry: "It was the perfect solution. I always wanted to leave home and be among *real* celebrities."

Meghan: "His family is horrible. Just wretched people."

Harry: "And you know Meghan has no relationship with her father and sister and brother. I take full responsibility, of course."

The more I think about it...

I assume the Prince and Princess of Wales and their children already have a full calendar the day after the Coronation making it impossible for them to attend any birthday celebrations for Archie?

Some of you like to think that Meghan has completely dominated Harry and is calling all the shots, but I don't think she'd have been stupid enough to make an enemy of Charles if she were making all the decisions. He's the richest person she's ever been around, he'd have been an ongoing source of funds if the cards had been played right, he's the one who would be expected to spoil the grandchildren, and he really does seem like the sort of person a woman could wrap around her finger. And she did start out kissing up to him, telling him he was the father she never had and having him walk her down the aisle.

But Harry resents and hates his fathers, so the relationship is hostile, and financially unrewarding. That's got to kill Meg, knowing all that lovely money and they keys to the jewel vault are just out of reach!

Maybe MM could ditch the ginger whinger and become KC's Penny Romsey.

[quote]Maybe MM could ditch the ginger whinger and become KC's Penny Romsey.

She wants Big Willy. Part of her anger and acting out comes from not being able to charm William into falling for her and ditching Catherine. She probably fantasized about being the center of a worldwide scandal where the heir couldn't resist her and just had to have her. She wanted to be the star of her own real life Guiding Light/Bold & The Beautiful/Young & The Restless where the older richer brother leaves his wife and steals the younger, poorer brother's woman.

^This. It absolutely was not because they knew was having a boy. They waited till she was safely past her first trimester. It had been on the Yorks for some time.

Some other fair points made above. But Charles has to responsive to the people if the UK. Knowing how they not only loathe the Sussexes, but view them as traitors to the country, inviting them to THE symbolic marquee event of the institutional not. E the wisest course.

The BRF can carry on with its grey rocking chilly courtesy without making a highly controversial and questionable gesture.

R549 makes a good point. Nothing was keeping them from just walking away from the monarchy....nothing except greed. They were at any time free to move to Canada or California; however, they wanted to leave on their terms...keep their titles and their position in the family, while making money on the side. They couldn't bear to be told "no" by the Queen, who was wise enough to know that doing so would be exploiting the British people and violating the code that royals work for the state. At the time, Meghan and Harry, on their website, noted that other royals made money, but they were being ingenuous. Non-working royals make money (e.g., Beatrice, Prince Michael), but working royals do not. Meghan and Harry were always free to walk away, but they wanted to keep their royal status. They have been having a lengthy tantrum ever since.

The ditching of male primogeniture re the throne was in the works as soon as William married. Parliament wanted it and making it look like it was solely the Queen's decision wa strictly courtesy.

Te the coronation, in this particular case, Charles also has a duty the people. He knows the two are loathed by the British. Inviting the son who is not only loathed but viewed by many as a traitor in law as well as morally to the monarchy's symbolic raison d'etre event would beg too many questions.

It's a day that should be free of such as far as possible. It's not the same as the Kunilee or the funeral.

They can go on greyrocking the rest of the time.,

Clarkson is a satirist, a style many Americans cannot understand.

Perhaps they could have a section in the Abbey, at the Coronation, for non-working royals...apart and a little distant from the working royals up toward the front.

I notice Euge and Bea weren't in on the wearing burgundy by Catherine/Zara/Pippa/Charlotte and the wearing white by Camila and Sophia at the Christmas Carol event. I think Euge and Bea are kept out of the loop because they are spies.

Tom Sykes of Daily Beast actually makes the most pertinent points about this saga, probably because he knows both William and Harry. Harry's problem was he thought he could sweet-talk his Granny into anything. She decided he couldn't do half-in/half-out so they would be free to make money off their royal connections while occasionally showing up in London for a movie premiere. Harry can't believe Granny wouldn't indulge him so now he's painting her as this poor old lady being bossed around by other people. Anybody who was close to the Queen knew she was hard as nails when it came to the Monarchy.

The best tidbit to come out of this soap opera so far is the fact Harry was always calling Granny to give him some money and she would say "ask your father, dear". Harry would complain Charles wouldn't take his calls. The Queen asked Charles why he wasn't taking Harry's calls. "Because I am not a bank."

While this will be nothing new, what you do see behind the scenes is that they obsessively pour over all the media and comments. They show this quite a lot in the final episodes. Meghan up at all hours of the night furiously searching and banging away on her laptop. There was one shot where it's the middle of the night, she's in their office (with the 2 throne chairs behind a long desk), wine glass to the side and Harry is like, "you are still up". Same with Harry. Meghan says she can always tell when Harry is typing away to lawyers.

I find Meghan's constant reference to wearing color so "curious" as the palace would say. All Meghan ever wears is beige, oatmeal, creme or navy and black. This is in her civilian life. There is this great shot I missed in the series, but Reddit had it w/ the dialogue and it was pretty funny . Meghan is on the phone in NYC talking about something 'socially important' while sitting on the floor in front of a couch loaded with 10 beige designer purses that I'm sure cost a fortune. It looks like she went on a shopping binge.

I think Tyler Perry has a unconscious bias against white people. That should have been addressed. With that said, Perry created an empire of content for black people by black people. Honestly, I don't think Perry and Meghan are a bad match in all seriousness. You don't get to Perry's level of fame "by coddling" people, as Meghan would say. He might be the type to tell her to shut the fuck up. I always thought he was gay. I didn't even realize he had a kid. I wonder if Meghan has ever even had a BBC inside her.

He is gay. He has a kid like Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper have kids.

Is he out?

R571 of course not. He needs to appeal to homophobic black people.

What do people like Tyler Perry and Oprah get out of coddling Dimbo and D-List?

Forget Tyler Perry, Meg should leave ginger brat for Oprah! A late in life lesbian coming out! It will be the notoriety, power and riches Meg dreams of! She can re-brand as one half of a billionaire power lesbian couple! Take that Ellen and Portia!

A visibly upset Gayle King can tersely deliver the "breaking news" on her morning show.

Tyler Perry got rich off white people.Most black folks I know think hes stupid as fuck,and quite gay,

[quote]Perhaps they could have a section in the Abbey, at the Coronation, for non-working royals...apart and a little distant from the working royals up toward the front.

Harry should go to the coronation. It's his own dad receiving the crown. For him not to go would be disrespectful and would dishonor his father.

Meghan should stay home with the kids. She is not a citizen of the U.K. and she does not live in the U.K. The coronation is a state event which has nothing to do with her. She needs to stay home and have a birthday party for Archie.

R568, that was clear from their PR attempts when still in the UK--constantly reacting, though subtly, to what's online. And while "palace sources" are probably often bullshit, that was one story I recall reading from those shadowy informants: that the two were constantly on their phones checking themselves out and that Harry reads the DM comments.

How long before Meghan starts to withhold sex, if she hasn't already? Harry will surely seek comfort elsewhere then. Too bad the don't live in a state where adultery or "alienation of affection" can be a basis for divorce.

Yeah, not attending the coronation would be disrespectful, not all the lies, accusations and whining.

R577 proposes an elegant solution. The Coronation is resolved. They're invited. If it was wrongly reported it would have denied, through one channel or another, swiftly. Whether they're coming or not is a different thing. It's reasonable they know they risk booing, after what they've done and after the jubilee, when they'd done nothing in comparison. Harry's so stupid he probably wants to be booed. She will stay home with the kids. She has a certain... canniness from time to time by the look of it... controlled events, friendly media, etc. etc.

[quote]I think La Markle and her henchman vastly overestimated their potential influence in the US.

She probably did. Her henchmen just cashed the checks once they realized the client didn't actually want advice, but tactics to get what she demanded. This obviously doesn't include that little Tolkein creature that scurries around on her behalf.

[quote]Seems pretty obvious that the RF has consulted with experts and are following their advice

Having been an expert once, for about twenty years, I'd argue they have listened to themselves. Experts really struggle to advise doing nothing. It makes it harder to bill. This sounds like courtiers to me.

[quote]Some of you like to think that Meghan has completely dominated Harry and is calling all the shots, but I don't think she'd have been stupid enough to make an enemy of Charles if she were making all the decisions.

Disagree. Her whines across Netflix were too aggrieved to be riding shotgun. If she's not the dominant partner, she's an equal. We've seen it time and time again, she's a crap strategist, driven by want not strategy. She is so hungry. She couldn't reverse engineer if you paid.

I think she's the dominant partner. In interviews she talks over him or course corrects him when he starts straying from the script. Also he almost always looks at her when he's speaking to get assurance that he's saying the right thing.

My feeling about the coronation is that they should absolutely be invited. That would be the decent thing for the BRF to do….invite a son to his father’s coronation.

The decent thing for the son who has sneered at the monarchy, sneered at the nation it serves and sneered at everything it stands for is not to go. Of course they will, though - those two cunts have not a shred of decency between them and the bit-part “actress” is already spending the spoils of her unearned privilege on a designer outfit in anticipation. Let them come and display their hypocrisy. It won’t be the first time, but with any luck it’ll be the last.

R583 This is the royal family, not some boy band. They don’t employ firms that can later “bill” for this sort of thing….it’s all in-house and the advisors are basically civil servants. The monarchy is an office of state, people (especially Americans) continually forget this. They will be striving to avoid contributing to what is essentially a soap opera in which Harry & Meghan have awarded themselves the star parts. The BRF don’t even want to be extras in the drama because that would be contrary to everything they stand for.

"Harry should go to the coronation. It's his own dad receiving the crown. "

No. Harry doesn't want to go as the sight of Cam being crowned would make him furious, and he'd experience the whole trip as a series of slights because he's a non-working royal and will be treated as such. And BTW he will NOT go without Meg, he doesn't want to face his family without her "support" - that is, her firm belief in their mutual delusions.

Harry had to go to his gran's funeral, people would have been horrified if he hadn't paid his respects to his dutiful monarch and grandmother, but everyone in the universe would be happier if he skipped the coronation. Go radio silent, and let some random yutz post Facebook pics of him feeding baby animals at a Botswanan game preserve, or at a yoga retreat in India, or chopping veg in a soup kitchen, anything that gets the "Better things to do" point across without being an obvious jerk. That's what would actually be good for his image, being seen living a better life while the royals re-enact centuries-old traditions, and being seen to live a better life without being an asshole about it, and not deliberately trying to interrupt Charles's show. Of course Meghan will never go for the not-being-an-asshole thing, but not going and not being an asshole is what would make Harry look the best.

[quote]Clarkson is a satirist, a style many Americans cannot understand.

Oh honey. Americans understand psychotic misogyny all too well.

"Jeremy Clarkson who said he wants to see Meghan treated like Cersai (Game of Thrones) and parade her naked and have people throw excrement on her."

He would make a model Datalounger, if he weren't straight!

And this American has seen enough "Top Gear" reruns to be totally familiar with his particular brand of pointless bitchery. He can be funny or he can be a cunt, here he's both, as we all aspire to be!

And R587, I worked for some of the biggest publicly traded companies going, so your cute assumption makes you look if not twice as stupid, at least twice as pompous. But I'll cut you the slack in your imprecision with words it was easy to interpret consulting with experts with consulting external consultants. London's full of them, most of them ex-PMO, Foreign Office, Treasury. As, of course, you know.

I think it was the right idea to invite them to the coronation, otherwise it gives them something else to cry victim about. The next right thing to do is to sit them next to Andrew.

I was thinking, there's the Royal Box, where the HRH's sit (elevated, front row centre) and I wonder if there's a Family Box or one will be invited where the extended family like the Tindalls, the Kent and Gloucester heirs, people from California could sit.

R591. And? The BRF is not a “publicly traded company”, dear. That you can’t see the difference between a commercial enterprise and, essentially, a wing of government, is just embarrassing. Bore off, Walter Mitty.

I see complex organizations with reputational risk. Fuck off, amateur.

I wouldnt invite them because you never know what shady shit they are up to.I wouldnt put it past Meghan to fake a miscarriage during the ceremony. They got so much shade at Liz's send off I almost felt sorry for them. I love that one clip at walkabout when Kate was smiling away and waving to the crowds and turned towards Meghan and her face went stone cold blank for a split second and Megs recoiled and grabbed a dangling tendril for comfort ! THAT my dears,was SHADE.

One question, though, R594. What's your experience? Lucrative, no doubt....

R523 What in all of heaven could've prompted her to go, after such a triumph as the ball? What could've depressed her? What could've possessed her? I cannot understand the wretch at all.

r591 When you said that you were a former expert, I immediately assumed that you were a psychiatrist, perhaps with some expertise with personality disorders....lol

R597 Who fucking cares? This is not Linkedin.

Snarl at me all you like, but your comment that the King would not have been advised to do nothing because the consulted experts would have nothing to “bill” him for was dumb. Any advisers would be civil servants and their brief would be to protect the integrity of the monarchy at all costs by ensuring that duty and service is the principle concern and not personality clashes and private squabbles.

In short - “do nothing” would probably be inconceivable for any other type of organisation, but the BRF is essentially unique. It’s not the only constitutional monarchy but it’s by the the most influential one. If you don’t know that then I am not the person to educate you, mainly because I can’t be bothered.

Of course they're going to go- they need more fodder for their future books, podcasts, and programs.