REVENGE Part 15 - Tell All Books, Scandals and Royal Gossip

Forgot to add that we also have the Brandeth book about the Queen on hand . . .

Many of us don't watch Netflix (yours truly included). Has anyone seen trailers or adverts on the Sussex Reality Show? It's alleged to be dropping in less than two weeks.

Oh, and merciful God, Meghan's last shallow self-promoting cauldron of meaningless word salad gibberish is this Tuesday.

H+M,the gift that keeps on giving.

I see the DM is at it again with the Edinburgh title. Huge headline bawling out that Charles has decided to bestow the title on Princess Charlotte, and actually citing that it would honour the late Queen because she, too, was Duchess of Edinburgh.

Only the Queen was the Duchess of Edinburgh because she was MARRIED TO THE DUKE OF EDINBURGH; he held the title after she bestowed in, NOT HER. So what happens when Charlotte marries - her husband becomes the married-in Duke of Edinburgh?!

This story is, of course, sourced to "palace insiders close to the negotiations" - as if, you know, anyone privy to those conversations would immediately inform the DM.

I wouldn't be surprised if Charles floated the story to find out who'd been talking to Richard Eden and the DM.

The idiotic article also cited the "insider" as saying negotiations were going on about what OTHER ducal title could be bestowed on Edward . . . which totally undermines the concomitant story running that Charles doesn't want to bestow the title on Edward to "slim down the monarchy".

It should be noted that the Sovereign becomes the Duke of Lancaster when s/he ascends the throne, regardless of sex. Thus, the Queen was known as the Duke of Lancaster . . . because with some rare exceptions, the title-holder is the next male in line. Queen Victoria called herself Duke of Lancaster, as well, because a Duchess is a Duchess because she's married to a Duke.

What happens if Charlotte marries and then divorces? Does her erstwhile husband go about calling himself John, Duke of Edinburgh, the way Fergie and Diana did after they had to amend their titles?

The story has enough holes for a fleet of lorries through. I wonder the DM even printed it.

Dimbo's book being given away for free is hilarious. It's only a matter of time before someone reviews it and everyone can know how lame it really is. Has a new, high-profile book ever been given away like this before? Doesn't look good for him getting 20M or whatever.

R4 It's like that story "The Ransom of Red Chief" (O'Henry?), where the kid is such a pain in the arse that his abductors end up paying to get the family to take him back.

Thinks of Netflix and Penguin as the kidnappers, the Windsors as the gleeful family, and Harry as Red Chief.

List of programmes coming to Netflix in December. Whilst it does say the list is not yet complete, the original story was a week ago. A full list is below that, and there is not one single solitary mention of the "Sussex docuseries", including on 8 December.

1 December is less than a week away. If Netflix were intending to drop this one week after that, would there not be a listing by now, and advance PR?

And, some additional royal gossip that I'm surprised hasn't come up yet:

The Home Office IS axing Andrew's taxpayer funded 24/7 armed security at last. He is said to be furious and "writing to" the authorities to protest the cut, although he appears to have stopped short of following Harry's approach of taking the matter to court and demanding Judicial Review of the decision. His security costs the taxpayer about three million quid annually.

If the Home Office is axing the security for Andrew, who actually lives not only in the UK but at Windsor, where the future King and Queen live, and the Sovereign often takes up residence, what are the odds of a favourable decision for Harry's demands for such security: Harry, who lives 5,000 miles away, has trashed and lied about the institution that underlie his demands, and is about to bring out a memoir further embarrassing said institution?

And, a note on the Counsellor of State issue: so far, the amendments to the King's initial request for an extended list of candidates for CoS so that he can bypass Harry and Andrew, are only in discussion stage, none of the amendments have yet been voted on and added to the original bill.

R3, under the usual precedents, Charlotte's husband won't get a title. A) Princess Anne's husband didn't (he declined) but B) if Charlotte my the time of her marriage is actually Duchess of Edinburgh in her own right, by convention that doesn't change anything for her husband. Status still flows from the male title holder, so if a female holds a rank, it means nothing for her husband or children. It's sexist but true. That's why a number of peers daughters' are fighting for parliament to change succession rules where titles are concerned. As they no longer confer privilege but just plain old prestige, there's a logic to that ask. In Sweden, the Crown Princess' husband was made a prince, given and HRH and received a dukedom as well, but she was heir to the throne. Charlotte won't be. I've said this before, I think they're ripping up the rule book. It's hard to predict what precedents hold. The problem is, the implications of exceptions made for the monarchy vis a vis the remaining aristocracy. The titles continue to exist so is it fair only men can inherit when that's no longer the case for the crown?

On another site, someone reports that a source had a line to an exclusive dinner for investor types that Harry attended to push his book. Source was told by a friend at the dinner that it was a disaster for Harry. Apparently, guests were appalled at what Harry said the book contained, including an oblique reference to Mountbatten's assassination in 1979 and his mother's death in 1997 that suggested they were somehow "linked". Also, that he kept talking about things that were contradictory, and generally gave an impression of someone emotionally unstable. One person called him "delusional".

Because his revelations about what was in the book made guests so uncomfortable, they kept trying to change the subject, which infuriated Harry, and he just kept at it.

Meghan was not present, apparently, but the event supports other stories surfacing about why the book was put off to 10 January, and why there isn't any PR around the Netflix "docuseries": it, too, is apparently a train wreck and the Harkles are trying to distance themselves from it. Because they wouldn't let Netflix film inside their home or their kids, Netflix was left with nothing but the paltry footage we all suspected was being done for it: those two ridiculous appearances in NY, the Invictus Games, the atrocious Uvalde appearance, the polo games, Dusseldorf for PR for next year's Invictus Games.

It's also being said that Liz Garbus, despite her ties to the Harkle's circle, also ended on bad terms with the Harkles because they're impossible to work with and Garbus knows the end product is disastrous.

That's why Meghan in her interview was already trying to distance herself from programme.

Who knows if this stuff is true, but if it is, and when it surfaces, the REVENGE threads will hit Part 20 in no time.

The glam quotient of the Wales's trip to Boston this week looks like it's way over what the Sussexes can expect in New York from the RFK Ripple of Hope Award, and some people are betting the Sussexes won't show, something I don't buy. They have to show. They nailed their flag to the mast and they're just going to do down with the ship.

The Earthshot event is being carried on PBS, BBC, there are major stars attending . . . it's global. The RFK shit isn't.

Fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy night.

So this dinner with "investors" to promote a book worth, what 19.99?, made it onto another site but didn't make any mainstream media?

OK.

I don't understand why Harry would meet with investors about a book that already has a publisher.

Why would a room full of Americans give a toss about Mountbatten? It's rubbish.

Notice that there are posters who seem incredibly skeptical about any information relating to The Harkles. Noticed this on another thread also. These posters don’t provide any info, but cut down other posters who do.

Could be the same person: a troll, PR or some Harkle-related connections?

R9 Can you tell us what site you got this info from?

Scobie has equated positive reporting of the Princess of Wales to N@zi propaganda.

Scobie is just as delusional as the Harkles. He’s going down with them.

William & Kate will have the JFK side of the family in attendance. The event is by invitation only. The Harkles award is from the disastrous RFK side. Substance abuse and arrests.

R11 He wasn't looking for a publisher. He was looking for rich investors for his projects and Archewell, and he was using the book because it is his current project, and he wanted to show how important he is and how the earth shattering book is going to make him look worth their time and money. He was, in other words, he was there to network with richer men than himself and used the upcoming book as a dinner invite.

The dinner took place on 19 November. And i saw thevsrory on LSA who hot it courtesy of Reddit substack who apparently hot it from HarryMarkle.

Aside from Harry's bad behaviour, the thing that caught everyone's attention and mine reading it on LSA was Harry's allegations that MI5, at his father's instigation, took out both Mountbatten and Diana and the IRA and the drunk driver in Paris were both covers.

The fact that the IRA claimed responsibility, that Charles adored his great-uncle and was devastated by his murder, and that if Diana had worn a seat belt she probably would have survived the accident, which makes MI5 look dismayingly incompetent, doesn't seem to have come up.

The claim from the dinner party source is that things Harry said are in the book are actionable as defamatory of Charles and some of Charles' friends.

Me, I think it's a possible twisted PR leak to drum up salacious edcitement in the book, but who knows. Personal call whether it has legs or not. I assume we'll find out soon enough.

I find it difficult to believe Penguin would allow such allegations in the book knowing the potential legal fallout.

Or Harry could have been spouting his lunatic allegations to get attention and they aren't in the book. The source did say that Harry told the dame stories differently during the evening.

The only thing I'd take at face value from the piece on LSA is Harry's deteriorating nentalnstate.

Sounds like rubbish to me. And when I say rubbish I mean total fan fic.

^^^^ Here we go again……

[quote] Notice that there are posters who seem incredibly skeptical about any information relating to The Harkles. [bold] Noticed this on another thread also. These posters don’t provide any info, but cut down other posters who do. Could be the same person: a troll, PR or some Harkle-related connections?

Harry is a disaster. The book is surely a turkey. And what is Markle up to? Making thanksgiving lunch for 300 women at a shelter. Always with the food. Getting a company to donate 500 $248 handbags for the Smartworks initiative. Does she ever put her hand in her own pocket?

R19 We're all Secondhand Roses here. People tend to dismiss what they don't want to believe. And the sorry truth about the Sussexes is that their public record with facts does seem to support the. View thatvwhere they're concerned, nothing is off the table and anything is possible.

LSA Reddit and HarryMarkleWordpress, as well as Theresa Longo, arexall like the DM and they blow lots of smoke up the public's arses, but they aren't without real sources and once in awhile, they turn out to be right.

So a blend of scepticism and Yeah it's possible is the sensible approach.

I put the stuff from Reddit-LSA up about the dinner up because it mentioned a specific date and the m.o. supports the view I've held for some time that Harry is mentally I'll, theyve6kniwn that bome for a long time and tried to work with it, but cut loose from their protective screening and at the mercy of his wife's ruthless ambition and her mental issues, Harry is by now just thos side of certifiable.

I wouldn't stake my hard-earned on any of it, but the Sussexes do have form here. Once past that Bradby interview in Botswana, the ghastly book they did with Scobie, and Oprah whilst Philip was dying, yours truly here was prepared to believe almost anything.

R19, check my post trail. I am no fan of the runaways. But to a critical thinker that overblown summary at R17 sounds like somebody trying to troll or just writing bad fan fic.

To satisfy your need for info, here's why:

Sorry, toots, simple rule of thumb: the longer the writing, the greater the likelihood of an EST. In this case, one that isn't very well written and with an author who isn't very intelligent. First, it's got that breathless tone of the troller who used to come here to warn us all the police were about to bash down the door and take us all always. Second, the writing is bad, it sounds oddly naive, overstated and filled with typos and illogical detail. You don't attract investors with the promise of instability or hostility. And, sorry, LSA and Reddit substack don't sound like credible. And is a man with the kind of money to donate at an event like that - not invest, another curious characterization that suggests the writer is trying to cover territory she understands through YouTube - is that man likely to then write up his experience for LSA or Reddit substack? Come on. It doesn't pass the smell test.

I love to laugh at those two. They are delightful in their clueless arrogance and grasping randomness. But I laugh based on content from credible publications with a risk of being sued and lawyers paid to reduce the risk. The minute I hear LSA or Datalounge or reddit I need a grain of salt the size of Gibraltar. Because I'm not stupid and I'm not invested in bashing these two that I'll believe anything.

Good enough for ya, R19?

It’s “bootlicking” when it’s about the PoW, but what is it when it’s about “Duchess Meghan”? Credit where it’s due? What’s the difference? Meghan enjoys plenty of positive (fawning) news blurbs. And there are plenty of news pieces that criticize the BRF.

The Harry/investment dinner rumor was on behalf of BetterUp which is seeking another round of funding. Or something. It was written by a “retired investments portfolio advisor “. Harry’s position with the company is supposed to attract investors but he groused all evening about his book, ignoring attempts to steer the conversation in a different direction.

What does LSA stand for?

There is a dumbass on this site who doesn't know the convention of acronym use. She uses them willy-nilly, never defines them, and often they exist only in her head.

Gasp!! You don't believe that "source" on Reddit who has "piping hot tea" on every possible topic, from what's in Markle's makeup bag to what's in the "fake doll's'"diaper? Shame on you! Your skepticism is unwarranted!! You are a TROLL gurgle gurgle.

Idk what to make of Sussex gossip because even the most absurd rumors have come true. People said she was going to fake a miscarriage and I was like, no way, no one is that bad, but then the miscarriage OP-ED came out. People said Meghan wanted to get into politics and I thought that was ridiculous but then she was sending Pelosi letters and calling up senators. People said there would be a reality show and I thought that was beneath them and yet here we are with an upcoming Netflix reality-doc or whatever. So Harry disturbing people at a dinner for Better-Up seems totally possible at this point.

R25 That would be me and I'm a he, not a she (yes, that's my personal truth). Apologies for the acronym without a definition first, after years here one tends to think everyone knows these: it stands for Lipstick Alley, a black gossip site, on their ongoing Meghan Markle Unpopular Opinions thread (which has run to dozens of parts and tens of thousands of posts, despite numerous threats by the Klan Grannie Troll(s) to get them shut down, arrested, executed at dawn, etc. I do not participate there as I'm not black and feel it would be disrespectful, but I do drop in there once in awhile, as they seem to have a group of determined social media sleuths. That's where I saw the 19 November Dinner Party story.

The BetterUp angle sounds solid. Harry is their Chief Impact Officer (the acronym the company uses for the position is CHIMPO which is quite funny, because in Japanese the word means "penis").

If the BetterUp angle is true, and I'll take poster's word for it, then Harry's behaviour, also if true, is all the more mental, as he would presumably be trying to show his employer he's good at a job he got only because of his title.

That he couldn't control himself enough to realise why he was there and stay in the right lane persuades me even more that Harry has gone completely off the rails mentally.

So today is the last podcast for Meghan, which didn't go well for Spotify as the programmes were crucified in the press and didn't do particularly well for Spotify in ratings once the first couple were done; Netflix is allegedly bringing out a programme it doesn't even want to do PR for that is alleged to be a train wreck; the two are accepting an award for calling Britain's Head of State and his family racists; and Harry has gone on a rampage at a dinner in which, allegedly, he fucked over his employer by spreading a story that his father and MI5 were behind not only Diana's death, but Mountbatten's assassination, as well.

The lineup: a pissed off publisher, Spotify, Netflix, and BetterUp.

Which begs the question: will they get rid of the moronic Sussexes now? Or are they in too deep to cut their losses?

They've had three years to prepare something and show the world who they are and what they can offer and yet everything has fallen flat. There won't be anymore podcast shows, there won't be any more show offers (unless their doc is a cultural hit like Newlyweds). I have no idea what they're going to do after all these projects end. Attending cheap award ceremonies in Indiana and getting a quick blurb in society pages? My guess is that's when the divorce will begin.

I read story in a credible paper, can't recall, that included this observation: for Netflix and Spotify, the Sussexes are too big to fail. Which I took to mean in terms of the amount of money they've been paid, something has to come of it. At some point, though, enough's enough for them. It will be interesting to see if there is another round of Archegripes.

[quote] Sorry, toots, simple rule of thumb: the longer the writing, the greater the likelihood of an EST.

Well then, based on your own rules, you’re full of it, R22.

[quote] Good enough for ya, [R19]?

No.

You asked for specifics, R31, I gave them. So fuck off. It's not my fault you'r a low intelligence scrounger who gets something from believing anything.

[quote] You asked for specifics, [R31], I gave them. So fuck off. It's not my fault [bold] you'r a low intelligence scrounger [/bold] who gets something from believing anything.

Nice. Resorting to insults, because you’ve proven single-handedly [bold] yourself [/bold], you are indeed what others have described.

The DM was pooh-poohed by everyone when it broke the story of how in trouble the Wales marriage was, and the Palace dismissed it as nonesense.

They turned out to be right.

LSA and Reddit and the DM have lots of mental types participating who post shit they wish were true but isn't. And then, there's a few people who have some info who know if they post it there or like the DM run the story, the story will get out there.

I agree that keeping the bucket of salt handy is wise; but it doesn't also follow that it is always the case that the stories aren't true. As the courtiers wryly observed when Meghan demanded that they "protect" her by going after the media every time a negative story came out, "It's hard to protect against stories that happen to be true."

The Sussexes have by now a bad track record of lying in public on the spur of the moment to establish themselves as victims. Harry went on television last May or June and stated that his mother, dead 25 years, now that "she is finished helping to set up my brother, is now helping me".

So on that basis, some of us are rather inclined to believe a story that at a dinner in which he is trying to push a book that is already being given away for free, he spread another absurd story about his relatives that involve his mother.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

Harry is mentally unwell - that the story underscores that lends it some credibility, in my view, despite the leak coming from Reddit via LSA.

[quote]Nice. Resorting to insults, because you’ve proven single-handedly yourself , you are indeed what others have described.

Huh?

The dinner was just another grifting opportunity, and Megahn likely put Harry up to it. Just like that time she got him to ask Bob Iger point blank for a Disney voice-over job. She gets Harry to do the dirty work for her, because his aura of fame gets him through doorways.

The dinner didn't happen.

[quote] Huh?

To spell it out for the s l o w:

[quote] a troll, PR or some Harkle-related connections?

Sorry, R38. The point was so pathetic and unintelligent I needed it explained. Kind of like graffiti. Anyway, you take your win. Anyone can see you don't get very many. And enjoy how much smart LSA and reddit make you.

The Maul, reporting on the podcast: And in an awkward start to the episode, called 'Man-ifesting a Cultural Shift', Meghan says she has met Mr Cohen on several occasions when she in Suits. But it became clear he had forgotten when he said 'nice to meet you' at the beginning of the interview.

She said: 'I met you before. You'll never remember it'. He replied: 'You're joking', to which Meghan laughed and said: 'Would I joke about that? This is great'. She went on: 'I met you twice. The first one is when Suits wasn't even on, yet. And then when we had maybe season two or three, we were in New York'.

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Forgotten by Andy Cohen.

Isn’t that a little…ungracious? To point out to someone —on the air— that you had met before, to embarrass that person publicly? Why not a few deprecating words like, I know you must meet so many people but we have in fact been introduced before. So nice to see you again.

God, I tried to forget her.

^ Which when you think about who he consorts with...

Wasn’t there some other famous person who’d forgotten they’d met her?

Anyway, now that she put him in his place, he won’t forget it. The story is all over the place now.

Retiring Metropolitan Police Commander of 30 years has just stated in interview that Meghan faced real, disgusting and life threatening threats. Some of which resulted in prosecution. Pertinent considering what is allegedly about to drop in media via leaks about two UK tabloids, Dlisted and an Australian breakfast show. Random but related to upcoming case in UK courts.

Can we expect an "interview" with M15, the CIA and Interpol very soon?

The goose flies at night!

R46, reddit substack says so!

Lipstick Alley is on it!

It’s all over black Twitter!

Then it must be true. I read it on the internet.

How convenient given the timing, R45.

The snarky Times review. Selected hits.

"After weeks of sitting in her authenticity, the Duchess of Sussex is ‘Man-ifesting’ the last in the Archetypes series. Hilary Rose looks back"

"Last week, Meghan promised that it was the penultimate episode of her podcast and I managed my expectations. Was that the truth, or her truth?"

"Today, I learnt that Meghan is fascinated by how our brains are wired. She keeps a big pile of clever books by her bed, including one “which posited the concept of neuroplasticity”, and these books made her think about herself, as you’d expect. She broadens the conversation to include other residents of Montecito. Her husband told her that if we want to shift how we think about gender then we have to actively include men in the conversation and everything I have ever read about Prince Harry makes me certain he said that."

"Meghan promises chats with thoughtful men, so probably not Harry. The important thing to know about the immensely talented film-maker Judd Apatow is that his wife once made Meghan feel Seen. And then she proceeds to troll her first guest, the talk show host Andy Cohen, at length. Why? Because he didn’t remember meeting her way back, when she was a nobody and he was a somebody, and which feminist powerhouse married a prince and is laughing now, huh, Andy?

“I didn’t want to embarrass him,” she adds, “it was just funny to try to remember how things were,” and over at Kensington Palace the Sussex Survivors’ Club thought yes, that must be it, laughing not trolling. Here is what I’ve learnt from listening to 4,112 hours of Meghan’s voice, a number I plucked from the air and which in this context is as true as any other. Although the exact figure is more like 13 hours."

1. Difficult women are not difficult at all, they are warm, wonderful human beings and the problem is you.

2. Sitting and standing are interchangeable concepts. Also, sitting is not necessarily about chairs. For example, you can, and should, stand in your knowing and stand in your authority. However, you can also sit in your knowing, sit in your authority and sit in your truth.

3. Life isn’t about earning a living and having a laugh. It is a serious business, so ask yourself this: are you living in your full self? At any point this week did you feel the strength that comes from embracing humanity? And did you keep that sense of self while holding up the mantle of what comes with being a parent? Or did you think “bugger it”, park the little blighters in front of an iPad and lock yourself in the bathroom?

4. Plato was sexist and also wrong about wombs. The goddess Artemis, less so.

5. Q: When is the truth not the truth? A: When someone else is saying it and you disagree.

6. It is dangerous when a person’s self-awareness is not trusted, unless you’re accused of bullying them, in which case their self-awareness is wrong.

7. Who said the following: “There is a certain stress that comes of not being believed.” Was it: a) Meghan b) The Sussex Survivors’ Club c) A sympathetic Court of Appeal judge, after Meghan admitted that her sworn statement might not have been the truth or the whole truth, but it was definitely her truth. (the correct answer is a)

8. If anyone asks, “Are you being a person in the world in the most nuanced and real way?” the correct answer is not WTF.

9. If someone asks Meghan, “How are you?”, she replies, “Delightful.” (She did, she really did. I swear it.)

17. Grade the following in terms of how much it fries your brain, and bear in mind that it is a question Meghan poses to one of her guests, at the end of a long and more than usually incomprehensible ramble: “What do you think ends up being more additive, I guess? Having men more leeway just to be more expressive and emotional and perhaps more of themselves than they internalise, or really creating more space for women to be accepted as they are? Or is it both?”

And then, in little more than the time it takes to reach Mars, the last podcast is over. Meghan tells us that it’s been funny and eye-opening. We reach the inescapable conclusion that she is wonderful, and she explains what alchemy is, presumably having read all those clever sciencey books by her bed. You start with a dense piece of material, or metal, she explains, “and it can be churned and churned and put under so much pressure that you can’t imagine how it’s going to survive, but when it comes out the other side”, she says, leaning into the mike, “it’s gold. Actual gold,” and my mouth opens in a silent scream. Meghan’s conclusion is that her podcast has made her feel Seen, and seeing as she’s spent 40-odd years jumping up and down trying to catch our attention, this is reassuring.

She leaves us with one final thought about “the courage that it takes to step out and speak up, even when it puts everything on the line”, and possibly she means “when you have to swap a free palace for a mortgaged one” and can you hear her, Kate? You poor, happily married Stepford Wife and future queen?

As a tribute to the overall quality of these podcasts, I’d like to give the last word to Noddy Holder. “So here it is, merry Christmas, everybody’s having fun,” he sang, “look to the future now, it’s only just begun.” The future is indeed now, and I have been on a journey. “Be brave in your audacity,” I would like to tell Meghan, “and compassionate in your bullying, which you deny. Embrace your dimensions, except maybe the shouty one which sends emails at 5am. Rescue more chickens and sit in your truth, and if telling the truth doesn’t get enough attention? Live your best lie.”

10. Translate the following into English, or just state how it makes you feel, because that’s the main thing. “I can’t function today without being present.” “Some days I have complete clarity and the next day I feel . . . different.” “Beyond ideas of wrongdoing and right-doing there is a field.”

11. There are parental tentacles of tradition and it seems reasonable to assume that they are out to get you.

12. You have layers that thrive within you, as you strive to become a fully fledged human being. Do not mistake this for indigestion.

13. Put the following in the correct order: candid illuminating enlightening stirring in depth vulnerable energising dynamic raw refreshing. Or put them in the blender and blitz until they form a podcast.

14. Women! Are you having authentic, complicated, complex and dynamic experiences? Are you heard and understood? You should be.

15. Men! Shut up.

16. Strong back, soft front: Is it . . . a) a haircut? b) A new species of lizard? c) Or the solution to male-female misunderstanding? (The correct answer is c)

Final thought: the last column was vicious but it used all her own nonsense in the act of it. I'd be mortified. It was savage.

Did he also mention that Meghan's lunatic stans have expressed death wishes against members of the royal family for years, and toward any journalists who criticise the Sussexes: paging Camilla Tominey of the Telegraph, who was threatened with being stabbed to death ALONG WITH HER THREE CHILDREN for such criticism, which also triggered a police action?

I wonder how many death threats Charles, William, and Kate have received from the Sussex Squad?

R45 Actually, that isn't a new story, and at the time the threats took place (which were shortly after her marriage to Harry), an investigation found that 70% of the threats and abuse came from 80 or so Twitter accounts.

Notice that the past tense is used.

And, Twitter accounts used by the Sussex Squad to express similarly unspeakable threats and abuse at the Cambridges and Charles were also found to be a coordinated effort.

Meanwhile, Harry and Meghan still went on behaving horribly, and Harry has trashed the monarchy and its current Head and the next Heir and lied about his family publicly and moved 5,000 miles away and is raising his two kids as Americans . . . he still doesn't deserve taxpayer funded armed 24/7 security.

So Fergie's been invited for Christmas, after 30 years out in the cold. Is Philip spinning in his grave?

Am I right that the Netflix series drops Dec. 8th, a Thursday? Because the Removal of Titles bill, currently winding it's way through Parliament and on 3,272nd reading, has a big day on the Parliamentary calendar on the 9th!

Oh ffs, the abuse, hate, and threats Camilla has gotten for the last 25 years only differed in that it didn't come from the far right. And, unlike, Meghan, the abuse probably has never stopped, although it's probably lessened over the last ten years or so. The Diana maniacs (some of whom are with us here on DL shrieking that the best thing that could happen for Britain and the royal family is for Horsemilla to die) are at least as bad as the far right in their fanatic worship.

And not ONCE, not by so much as a whisper, did Meghan, although a victim of this kind of thing herself, utter a PEEP against the people who did this.

Morgan's children were also threatened with death.

Where was the Police Commander on this?

And this?

I'm just laughing because when Bower's book came out everyone wanted to read it, but Dimwit is giving his book away and...crickets

Richard Eden on Twitter today re Meghan's final podcast:

"First, Trevor Noah insults #PrinceHarry's father: 'It’s going to take a lot of work to shape the monarchy into something that everyone can get behind...based on his first week in power, looks like King Charles isn’t the guy to do it.' Next, #Meghan invites Noah onto her podcast."

America is becoming the land of Disgruntled Spares: apparently Prince Joachim of Denmark and his wife and family are moving to America next fall because Joachim got some sort of defence job.

I know we all look forward to pap photos of the four out together and comparing notes on how shitty it is not to have been born first.

Hilary Rose's hilarious last column on Meghan's last podcast.

R68 - see R52, R53, R54, R55 and R56.

Perhaps check your own post for typos, r22, before dismissing another poster partly because their post features typos?

R44, the guy who hosted Deal or No Deal can't recall MM.

Yeah, it's a typo, R70, not literacy. But hey, feel good about yourself for pointing it out.

Why do I have the feeling that Neil Basu will be working for the Markles sometime in the near future?

Anyway, it's awful that some of these threats were at the level of prosecution. That poster who warned about the coming crackdown..oh oh must go, someone's banging at the door, very loud and insistent like.

Actually r72, it's more a case that I feel awful for you that you've missed the point and lashed out.

Don't be a liar too. Just fuck off, stupid.

R75, read your post again. The one with the typos which dismisses another post's information for having typos.

You're pitiable.

Oh Harry, it's for you. Something about rehab....

I don't for one minute believe these long winded trolls. I never end up being wrong about it either.

Some more great gossip from the review of the Brandreth book... forgive me, it's from the Telegraph, not Reddit substack via LSA so don't know if you can believe it....

The marriage of the Princess Royal and Vice-Admiral Laurence has, after many “rifts and separations”, “once again begun to thrive … with the advent of grandchildren”.

The Duchess of Sussex “quite liked” cosy Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace, until she was invited “for dinner with William and Catherine and [saw] the scale and grandeur of the Cambridge residence”.

Her Majesty was not one for introspection: when Brandreth asked her if she had found the prospect of becoming Queen daunting, she replied, “I don’t think I ever thought about it really”.

Brandreth also winkled out the fact that Her Majesty once hired an exorcist after staff at Sandringham reported a strange presence in the room in which George VI died.

I noticed that he had slipped in for the first time some disparaging remarks the Duke of Edinburgh had made about his mother-in-law, complaining that she had an emotional hold over Prince Charles “that’s not always been to his benefit, in my opinion”, and opining that she was “occasionally irritatingly gushing”.

One that sticks in my mind concerns the Queen at the Royal Variety Performance, where Brandreth noted that she seemed to be enjoying every act equally. “Not really,” she replied. ‘But I like to be seen to be giving everybody the same amount of support. We are on television, after all. Their families might be watching.”

No pay wall.

The link for r79 without the paywall.

Markle hotel dinner 🤣🤣

Even bubblewrap doesn't like her.

Hah, jinx, r81. We managed to post at the exact same time.

Er, why are there photos of her at the tables and why are they in bubblewrap?

Is this from the Indianapolis women's event she's speaking at? Bizarre, regardless.

Did she even show up there?

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

I suspect Harry will die young and tragically, like his mother.

He's too destructive, too unwell and too immature to handle life.

I don't know if it will be intentionally and at his own hands or as the result of a stupid mistake like his mother but he is not long for this world.

I also suspect his family fears this and that is why they don't come down too hard on him. They don't want the guilt when he is gone.

His life being cut short will propel the Duchess of Perpetual Victimhood into a new career and "brand". That of grieving widow or grieving ex-wife who tried to save him but couldn't because his family damaged him beyond repair.

I take no pleasure in predicting this, but he is even more destructive than his mother and without the charm and good looks, it won't end well.

How thoughtful of Meghan to wrap the 8x10s in bubble wrap for her guests.

Was Harry not there?

R87 - I thought that was Meghan behind the table in the lower right photo, but I'm not sure.

Kate has unpleasant breath from fasting.

That event just looks so sad. The "big A-lister" haha...

I see numerous stays in rehab for Harry, and I am sure there have been a few already. His frequently slovenly appearance betrays drug use. If things really fall apart for the Sussexes financially, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he OD'd.

I'm with R22. Believing every whackjob theory to bubble up from Reddit or LSA is dumb as hell. And saying that out loud doesn't make me a stealth squaddie. I can't stand the Sussexes but the gossip is boring when it's so obviously fake.

Name one instance in which internet rumour (and not reports from actual news outlets, including tabloids) has turned out to be true. All this fake baby shit is for the birds.

I think what also makes Harry look slovenly is that he tries to hide his bald spot by growing out his hair and teasing it up to cover the bare spots so it looks sloppy.

I completely agree r88 and r93. He wasn't able to make the best of an incredibly privileged position and won't fair much better out in the wilderness with MM (he's not smart enough and she lives in an alternate reality) or without her.

His trading on Diana is pathetic and his wife will at least partly be his downfall, one way or another. Wasn't she always partying at some sleazy producer's house when younger? Plus anything his family had tried to help him with (mental illness, likely drugs) she would likely let him have his own way to his actual detriment.

As to the person who keeps saying fasting makes Catherine's breath stink: most female breeders gain weight with pregnancy. That didn't happen with C because of her severe morning sickness. Having not gained weight then and with her resources, it would be much easier for her to keep trim than it would be for most mothers her age.

[quote] I can't stand the Sussexes but the gossip is boring when it's so obviously fake.

That's actually what I was trying to say all day yesterday, in my Lee Anne DeVette tribute style. Gossip is gossip but when it obviously strains credulity, it's boring and what's the point and, yes, it makes people taking it seriously seem stupid.

Archie got big, and as everyone suspected is NOT a red head.

Poor child. He's probably wondering where his nanny is and who those two women standing behind him are.

He seems to have his mother's features.

You mean his mother's features before all the plastic surgery?

Archie looks like Meghan. He does not resemble the Windsors or Spencers.

Small wonder she didn't put a tanner on him

Oh that's right, she wheeled out Doria

R98 wow how did you get that picture?

Those kids look like Pa Markle, that’s some karma.

Miss Duchess at the Indianapolis Marriott last night. I like the color, and the dress...hair...I SEE TENDRILS!

How could you post a photo of my son? I own the copyright to him.

I love that the Daily Mail went ahead and posted it. Meghan and her lawyers must have been scrambling this morning because now the article is still up, but they’ve blurred out his face.

Is she trolling for another job? Isn't this Mid-West gig a bit of slide from the gigs she had in the UK. Turned up her nose at those & now she is heading towards grand openings of the New Dollar General in downtown East Bumfck.

That professor who is writing the book on her posted it on her twitter feed. I'm sure Meghan, or her people gave that lady an earful. Why we need another Meghan book is anyone's guess. I tend to believe like others have said, Harry is the one who freaks out about the kids pictures. If it were up to Meghan we would see them more often.

Onto the latest: the Lady Susan Hussey fracas, which, interestingly, drops just as the Waleses head off to a massively important event in America, and just as the Sussexes are about to receive an award for "standing up to the racism in the British Royal Family", and in tandem with a retiring police chief suddenly feeling the need to talk about the threats against Meghan Markle while she was part of the Firm, and with Harry's case trying to force the Home Office to restore his right to taxpayer funded armed 24/7 security when he deigns to visit Blighty . . .

What a coincidence.

Lady Susan is 83 years old and has 62 years of service to the monarchy behind her. It's likely that at her age she hadn't caught up yet with the dos and don'ts of Woke Triggers yet. It's all likely she thought she was being polite, given the incensed victim's get up, name, and that the organisation said victim works for focusses on the issues facing Afro-Carribbean women in Britain.

The "victim" was so upset she couldn't even mention it to the Queen, but SOMEHOW recovered enough to shout it to the world.

These two stories, the retiring police chief (who never mentioned that William and Kate and Camilla have endured similar abuse for years, especially Camilla, and that W&K are one of the top terrorism/kidnap targets in the world) has all the earmarks of a coordinated campaign to justify the Ripple of Hope award for the Sussexes, and undermine William and Kate and their high-profile visit to America.

I mean, really?

Funny looking cross-eyed kid.

I agree r110, the timing is very suspect.

Since Sunshine Sucks and their ruthless Fixers are no longer in the picture, who is putting these ducks in order for the Duchess of Perpetual Victimhood?

R112 I assume their current PR fixers and inside contacts at the Met and at the organisation the "victim" represented, which it turns out has received a substantial amount of funding from the now revealed as financially corrupt British arm of BLM, over £50,000.

William responded by making a statement that "racism has no place in our society", a neat response that avoids sticking a knife in his godmother and long-time royal servant but addresses the issue.

The Sussexes, it is abundantly clear, probably know that there are no pathways left back into the bosom of the family, and figure they'll just do whatever they can to undermine them whenever they can. The BRF, in return, has probably accepted that the Sussexes will be an annoyance for the rest of their lives, and will just shrug it off and get on with the job, and this by turns comical or deadly embrace is the name of the game for the foreseeable future.

R110 & R112: Re: the Lady Susan Hussey issue. The woman accusing her of racism has a long twitter history of trashing the royal family apparently. Also the woman claimed she spent the whole function alone despite their is video footage of her talking with Queen Camilla, the Queen of the Belgians, the Queen of Jordan, the Crown Princess of Denmark and the Countess of Wessex. I have serious reservations that the issue even happened at all, the timing is VERY suspect. That being said, even if Hussey did ask this woman where she is from? How is that racist? We all come from somewhere even it's just Birmingham (e.g. another city in the UK). This woman is doubtless one of those fucking idiot who decides to be offended by everything and goes out of her way to find racism. Honestly, if everything is so bad, doesn't leave your home. I'm saying this as someone who is mixed raced, the bitch probably hasn't even set foot in Africa and wouldn't last a day there.

R114 the issue with Lady Hussey is the woman responded and then Hussey was was like No Really...over and over.

I hate the Harkles but that transcript is...a terrible look.

I saw the footage of Fulani chatting happily with Queen Camilla. There is also older footage of Fulani laughing delightedly seated next to Charles some years ago before he became King.

I've also watched some of the live footage of Kate and William arriving for the first welcome event in Boston. Despite heavy rain and nightfall, the plaza was packed and when the Waleses stepped out onto the dais, screams and cheers arose from the crowd.

Now, of course, Fulani is insisting that she had NEVER meant that the 83 year old woman after 62 years of service should be SACKED!!!! Well, what the fuck did she think would happen?

I tell you this was a setup: the fucking police chief who didn't mention the abuse the other royals routinely receive and only just yesterday suddenly felt moved to speak about the threats Meghan received, the fucking black hypocrite who lied about what she did after her traumatic experience of "prolonged racism"; and the coincidental upcoming award to the Sussexes for smearing an entire family with unsupported allegations of racism.

Hussey deserves better than this but will take it on the chin. William and Kate are, as they always do, carrying themselves with dignity, the papers are stirring the pot with words like "overshadow" but failing to show the footage I just saw of the absolutely rapturous reception the Waleses got at their first appearance. The Palace moved swiftly to apply a plaster to the wound and invited Fulani to come to the Palace to speak personally about her trauma, William responded quickly and clearly . . ..

And, last but not least, the man Meghan chose to invite to her last podcast, Trevor Noah, is a long-time royal basher who also stated on his programme that there had been some terrible racial backlash to Britain's first brown PM - when in fact there had been virtually NONE. When this was pointed out to Noah, he backtracked and said he meant by, well, some people. But not before he'd smeared an entire country.

And that's who Meghan brought on to her last podcast.

I tell you, if Charles hasn't gotten the message now, he never will.

The same woman who accused the royal family of domestic violence against Meghan

Now Will and Catherine are getting it from Boston.

Funny how the same things happened in the Caribbean tour.

Lady Dumb Hussey shouldve taken the first (or even second) response and shut the fuck up. But she kept going and going and going...

R109, she only wants to show pictures of her kids if she can make money from them.

R120, apparently the woman was recording the conversation, which is why there is a “ transcript.” That’s pretty tacky.

Meghan looks very awkward and the child seems uncomfortable with her. Her grifting mooch mother looks angry.

I'd say it's more tacky what Lady Hussey did. And I'm pissed at her for giving Scobie & Friends more ammo.

R119 Oh, and don't think that hasn't been noticed and wondered at, either.

Next time, the Palace should vet who it invites to things like this more carefully. If they had seen Fulani accusing publicly the BRF of domestic violence toward Meghan, would they have invited Fulani?

As stated above, Charles has to accept the fact that his son and daugter-in-law hate him, hate Camilla, hate William, and hate Catherine, and treat the Sussexes like the enemies they are.

R124 Second that. Hussy, as noted above, is an 83 year old woman from a distant era who should have been retired earlier. It is galling that she gave those hypocrites who named their daughter after one of those "in-laws" and brandish their royal titles at every possible moment some cover.

Meghan weaponizing black people. Clever.

Those women in their African getups and the size 24 “motivational speakers” in leggings and straining blazers with the neon pink claws think that Meghan stands with them in their power of Nubian goddess magic and the strength of Nelson Mandela, et al. are so, so dumb.

If the BRF asked her to accept the title of Queen Consort in the place of Camilla, she’d be struttin’ in ermines for the rest of her days. And she’d invite Oprah and Mellody Hobson to come kiss her ring. The loud sisters with the attitude would be forgotten like yesterday’s news.

Did she acknowledge the pathetic women who brought those framed photos? Did she say a kind and encouraging word to each of them and pose with them? Bitch hustled to her private jet out of the provinces.

Too bad it didn't crash on the way back. That's a real shame.

Agree r124, r125, r126, r127 but it says it all that Fulani went into an event operating a device to record conversations. She would have gotten someone over a barrel, and if not then edited the recording accordingly. "Oh I'm going to (wherever), better have my phone recording..." WTF does that? This is now clearly a state of war.

Traditionally at royal events, don't the royals and sometimes their staff generally ask people (including white people) where they're from, as in how far they've travelled that day? I thought it was a token conversation starter in the royal circles at any event, from opening supermarkets to palace do's. If so, they'll have to find another icebreaker to fall back on.

R128, if it did, the BRF would no doubt be blamed.

It won’t be a place crash or a car crash.

The Russians prefer defenestration.

This whole week has been a planned attack.

First, Meghan is said to be receiving an award for fighting racism within the Monarchy.

Next, a whackadoodle retired cop announces (without any specifics) that Meghan was targeted online and people prosecuted for racial crimes.

Then, an author releases a shot of Meghan within a tweet that mentions the book she's writing about Markle's fight with racism.

Third, a Sussex squaddie goes to the palace and records an 83 year old woman being racially insensitive.

Also in the above mentioned photo with Meghan? Donna Brazille, long time political strategist.

It's just treasonous at this point. Not a war fought with poisons and swords, but PR and outrage.

Agree with all of the above. The Palace has been lax. It has to stop being lax, and start putting MI5 to work digging shit up and releasing it, and making sure the Sussexes are locked out for real, from the lease on Frogmore Cottage to invitations to the coronation, and using the new law, should it pass. to take the Sussex title.

Oh dear notthe T i T l E s shit again

BP really needs to go scorched earth on H+M . Quit pussyfooting around and blast their shady asses to the moon. Enough already with this fake black bitch and her neutered cuckold.

I'd like to believe it, R131, and you lay out a good case. But wasn't it a lot of lucky Lady Susan handed them that goal? With witnesses? Unless they're all lying and in on it, which is certainly possible. I dunno. You're sure right about how convenient all this is at once. And we all know Donna Brazile of slip the questions to Hillary fame. I'm torn. If it wasn't true, why didn't the old lady deny? The axe fell so fast. If it is true, this lie will crumble. I believe that. The "establishment" will not rest in protecting the old bird, who as a dupe, deserved not to be at her age.

I am uncomfortable with the sequence of events but who knows?

The BRF can be racist and Meghan is a cunt. Both can be true. Hopefully Charles or William will end the monarchy and old Arry and Smegma can go away.

If godparents are that important, does that mean Harry is a sex pest like his godfather Prince Andrew?

They are not racist.

R135 The woman wore a mic to the event specifically to document racism. Yes, she eventually managed to get one 83 yr old woman to ask about her heritage. That's all. Which says a lot about how prevelant royal racism really is.

Can someone condense the situation for me? The old lady asked where she was from? is that bad now?

Apparently it is very bad to inquire about origins of a oerson dressed head to toe in national costume. From now on, just ignore

Although the press is making a big deal of the Susan Hussey thing, on the ground in Boston Kate and William have been getting a warm welcome even at the Celtics game tonight there were huge cheers when they entered. Most people don't give a shit about this stupid racism story.

The woman who made the accusations is now backtracking slightly saying she didn't name anyone and that people should be nicer to the person who allegedly was racist to her....are you fucking kidding me? I'm a 55 year old gay man who use to have beer bottles thrown at me...if you're so offended by someone asking you where you're from when you wear traditional garments go home and die lonely in your basement.

The liar ansolutely named her, "Lady SH."

Here's the thing, there are certain people just going out of their way to find everything racist, homophobic, transphobic, sexist etc. All that's happening is it's getting more and more people's backs up. There is being racist and then there is just being stupid. The SH Lady was being stupid but not racist.

It's going to crumble. Something's gonna give.

You mean Harry's mind?

There wasn't much to build on.

Narcissists never give up and they never give in.

Charles and William need to understand this and take decisive action. Ignoring her calculated moves to undermine the BRF will not make her give up and stop.

Trump will be on his deathbed and still ranting about how fat and ugly Rosie O'Donnell is. In twenty years, Markle will be sabotaging Princess Charlotte's wedding.

I'm looking forward to the BRFs next move. Everytime Meghan thinks she scored a win something always goes wrong. Maybe they'll finally leak the tape of her being an abusive maniac.

So an 83-year old asking someone where they are from vindicates Meghan's claim that the BRF is racist?

R150, good point. That bullying report might have been given to Lady Susan Hussey for safekeeping.

Apparently, R151. It's the definition of absurd but if you don't buy it you're a racist and no argument will be tolerated.

Well, this scandal is already burning out quickly. They messed up releasing it when W&K arrived. The news cycle moves too quickly and tomorrow the media will find something else to report on.

Flash in the pan.

River is Heartbroken and FURIOUS, my fruits.

Oops let me try again.

Fulani's statement that MM was a victim of domestic violence by the BRF is outrageous and demeans real dv victims. The fact that she recorded conversations at the event should remove her permanently from future guest lists. Poor Lady Susan should have backed off when the costumed Fulani clearly refused to discuss her origins but she treated Fulani like a smart-arse child..big mistake.

Yet the transcript reads like a conversation Prince Philip would have had.

So she was Queen Elizabeth's lady in waiting or whatever. Why is still employed when QE died and she's 83. They don't give pensions to people who work for the BRF for 60 years? WTF?

Google is your friend, R159.

Ms. Hussey walked up to someone at an official event, touched their hair, moved it out of the way to see their name tag and then repeatedly asked them where they were from even after they answered multiple times.

Who walks up to someone at an official event and feels free to touch another’s hair and insist they tell them their family/racial background?

R141 “Costume?” It wasn’t Halloween.

What the old lady did was rude and racist but I wonder how many people Ms Fulani had to approach in order to find such a good subject for her recording.

She will r149. You can guarantee it.

Why do I read Pajiba, they are acting like the woman was shot.

R163 What makes you think Ms. Fulani approached Ms. Hussey? I haven’t seen that.

R166 - She may not have approached anyone but Fulani was obviously recording every conversation with the aim of entrapping someone. MM a dv victim of the BRF?? Oh right, she was 'silenced'.

I will say though, that Lady Hussey does have some serious boundary issues, which is surprising considering her role. It is NOT OK to touch a stranger's hair without their permission.

"Who walks up to someone at an official event and feels free to touch another’s hair and insist they tell them their family/racial background?"

Dotty old ladies, Rose.

River's take is the right one.

I also agree with River.

If I were to seek retribution each and every time someone's WORDS about me or my life have been offensive it would become a full-time job.

Unless someone has threatened my ability to earn a living, have a roof over my head or my physical safety, then I just consider their WORDS valuable information about them. Forewarned is forearmed. It is advantageous to know exactly who you are dealing with rather than assume they are decent when they are not. Tell me exactly who you are, I appreciate the heads up!

Who goes to an event mic'd up? She had an agenda. A perfectly timed to overshadow William and Catherine agenda.

R143 for the win.

I don't think Marlene was "mic'd up."

The trailer is out for the Netflix thing. I don't even want to look at it.

Don't watch, unless you want to get sick to your stomach

Well let's see...a mean, hard-faced shot of Kate and a shot of MM in tears. We're off to a good start!

[quote] hard-faced shot of Kate and a shot of MM in tears.

Meghan crying into her Hermes blanket which costs as much as used car. I must say, this looks good and trashy - much better than I was expecting. I thought it would be all about their "changing the world" schtick but they are going for it, at least based on this. That cut to one of the stoniest faces Kate has ever made was genius. DL is going to be so much fun with this is released. I wasn't planning on watching, but Netflix is good. I'm in!

I'm surprised Meghan green lit that photo montage where we can see the ugly duckling pre surgery and hair straightening.

I hope it falls to Hilary Rose at the Times to review this diaper.

Many African-Americans are sensitive about white people touching their hair - natural hair is apparently a longstanding object of curiosity for a lot of white folks, and some of them feel entitled to touch without permission, especially when it is babies' hair. This is far more common among women than men.

In many parts of America, if a random black person were touching a white person's hair without permission, the cops would have them on the ground at gunpoint in seconds

In the case of Lady SH, her action was done in order to see Fulani's name badge, because her braided locks obscured it. I suppose if you are bent on taking offense, you would find it offensive. I don't think it was done out of a sense of entitlement. Ihaven't heard the conversation that apparently was recorded, but I would venture to say that an 83-year old woman finding herself working for a new monarch after many decades of prior service, might have had some issues in making her question clear, and perhaps had phrased it inartfully.

Seriously, the BRF need to get rid of Harry and his offspring when it comes to the line of succession. May he and the wife prance around obnoxiously reminding everyone that they're Duke and Duchess - let them keep their stupid titles. But the BRF, Parliament respectively have to divest Harry (and his spawn) from what really matters in terms of dynastical order. They really need to get their arses in gear now. Enough is enough.

Lady C. is going the Patreon route with her channel. Some content will still be "free". Who on earth is going to pay to listen to her drone on for an hour? She was right about the Queen having bone cancer but really what little tidbit of info she may have here and there being drawn out into an hour with that horrendous voice of hers is barely worth it for free let alone with a price tag.

No, she was not right about the Queen having bone cancer. The Queen had myeloma. Myeloma is a blood cancer. But, it's 2022 and Lady Colon tells you what want to hear.

In my culture (Maori) it's really bad to touch someone else's hair, however, had I been there and it, as well as the stupid questions, happened I would just have written it off as one dementia ridden, racist old lady and moved on. Not recorded it and leaked to the media.

R181, It’s cancer of the bone marrow.

Wonder how much she was paid to record and then send the recording to you know who

Only DL would notice that Meghan is sobbing into a Hermes blanket in the documentary trailer. God, I love you bitches!

I'm calling it now. If that onanistic mockumentary goes after Kate, they're especially fucked. She's in a much stronger position than those two.

Richard Eden: 'The use of William and Catherine and the image and the way it's presented, my goodness,' he added.

He said he was particularly shocked about the juxtaposition of footage of Meghan crying, and a picture of a 'stony faced, stern image of Catherine at Westminster,' which was taken on Commonwealth Day in March 2020.

'Remember, this is a service that Omid Scobie, Meghan's cheerleader, wrote about,' Richard pointed out.

'He said that Harry and Meghan had been left that William and Catherine had refused to make even eye contact with them that day and this seems to be referring to that.'

Please inform the Sussexes that the Princess of Wales is not receiving them, now or in the future.

And if they publicize or anyone else publicizes that fact, various photographs, video recordings, medical records and notarized statements are in the hands of third parties for immediate distribution.

Why would anyone cry because someone they dislike refused to make eye contact?

Sane people cry because of conflict or abuse, which obviously didn't happen, and only a real wackjob would cry because their enemy refused to give them any attention. But that's what happened, Catherine and Will refused to give them any attention...

The content of the Netflix preview confirms to me what I have long suspected that both Harry and Meghan are emotionally stunted and stuck at the late teenage level, very early twenties at best. Arrested development if you like. Culturally the idea of certain royals being pushed as some of the biggest victims in the world when they are actually among the world's most privileged belongs in the 1990s-which they are stuck in largely because they want to recreate the Princess Diana victim scenario reincarnated via Meghan. But the victimhood they crave and the reincarnation they crave cannot be recreated . Its impossible to do so and comes across as insincere and desperate. So we have two grown middle aged adults stuck as 1990s teenagers with unhealthy cravings for victim and hero status.

The pix in the trailer of Meghan in full mourning drag suggests that the Q’s funeral will be discussed. it will be a DL miracle if they discuss the walkabout with Kate and William. I will believe in Jesus if we get that. Honestly, I wish all 6 episodes focused exclusively on that event.

"Because I always take photos of myself crying" - said no sane person ever.

Getting back to the Susan Hussey "scandal" I think once again the mainstream media has misread the room. The average person on the street likely believes that an 83 year old posh woman misspoke. The problem is people have forgotten that racism/homophobia/transphobia/sexism has to have intent behind it. There is a difference between saying something stupid or ill-advised and actually being hateful towards someone. Also the woman accusing SH of racism came to an event in what looked like a fucking cheetah print bath towel from Target....

Okay I HHHHHHHHAAATTTTE Dan Wootton but he is right to point out that this woman has been caught in a lie.

It's another wonderful day! The parliamentarians UNANIMOUSLY booted Harry and his godfather Andrew from the LOS

And now, DLers, just imagine the anguish of the Who Cares About These People?! Why Are You Inflicting These Threads On Us?! trolls.

R190 I rather agree with you, and I think the Netflix show will do what the Sussex's efforts always do: show them for what they really are, only not who they think they are and who they think they are persuading the world they are.

It's totally fascinating, really. The black and white photos swing from OTT Lurvvveeee to OTT Despair. It's supposed to look "natural" but it looks anything but natural, it looks incredibly forced, staged, and posed, and the vitriol directed at Kate and the BRF screams Vengeance is Mine Saith the Sussexes!

But the thing is, that reeks of spite, and spite isn't a good look - especially for victims. The Sussexes always end by making their targets look better.

One wonders where the Sussexes see themselves in, say, 25 years. After this and Harry's memoir, can they go on burnishing their brand as victims of the British monarchy? How many years can they go on playing this dog-eared card? Will they have shot their wads with the memoir? And if they stop, what have they got left?

Do they really see themselves in 25 years slinging mud at King William and Queen Catherine? Do they honestly believe that the British people are buying their shit to the point of abolishing the monarchy?

And if the monarchy was abolished, William will still be very rich, get positions on Boards of Directors dying to have him on their letterhead, and live the same charmed life the Sussexes are living, only with more royal cachet.

How, exactly, do the Sussexes see this playing out in 25 years?

The BRF, meanwhile, does have a sticky wicket to play soon. They can't get by any longer on refusing to respond. I wonder if Harry and Meghan already know that not only are their kids not going to be HRHs, but that after these two bonfires, Charles will probably take the Sussex title (as well as Andrew's to keep the thing honest), too.

It might not seem like much because Charles can't Un-Prince Harry. But if the ducal title is removed, it also means that Archie won't inherit it, so he will at best remain Lord Archie Windsor, like Freddie, Prince Michael of Kent's son. Lilibet won't lose anything, she'll still be able to call herself Lady Lilibet Windsor. But Archie will lose any chance at a royal ducal title, and will also lose the Earl Dumbarton title with it. So removal of the Sussex title does cost something.

And is there anyone out there still insisting that the Sussexes will be invited to the coronation? Or that Harry's and Meghan's split is "imminent"?

I hate to say I told you so to the OP of the "This is not a drill: Harry and Meghan Split Imminent", but . . .

I told you so.

Nobody can do sarcasm like the Brit tabloids.

R197 Ah, that's the STAR and they hate the Sussex's guts. Unlike the DM and the Express, which tack whichever way the wind blows, the STAR never deviates.

The funniest thing is that a photo exists of Meghan wrapped around her former squeeze, Cory Vitiello, in exactly the same pose.

"If ain't broke, don't fix it."

I cancelled my Netflix subscription tonight. It won’t make a bit of difference, but it makes me feel better knowing that I’m not funding anyone who would treat his family in this way. Harry is a destructive, spoilt cunt and the sooner the series (and book) comes out, the better. At least they will end the ridiculous pretence of family unity.

Smeg gonna rage when she sees this.

It would be nice if Queen Elizabeth's will had a couple of time delayed clauses dealing with her errant grandson and his spouse.

For example, ...

"If, after 6 months have passed since my death, my grandson Harry and/or his spouse have not repaired their relationships with my beloved son Charles and his wife Camilla, and my beloved grandson William and his wife Catherine, any stipulation in my will dealing with proposed financial disbursements toward said grandson Harry, and his spouse will be null and void."

Should said grandson Harry and/or his spouse continue their hostile behavior toward any members of my beloved family, it is my wish that they receive a disbursement of only 1 British pound, the minimum amount bequeathed to them.

As for the two minor children of my grandson Harry and his wife, I have made private and non published provisions for them, based on their future life choices and behavior.

Time will tell.

Decisions described above have been made with prior aid, consultation and agreement with my beloved husband, The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh prior to his passing.

Signed this 7th day of September, 2022 at Balmoral Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.

Elizabeth R

I like it R201. Well done.

To every cloud . . . as they say.

I imagine there are several silver linings here for the Waleses and the King and Queen.

For one thing, the four of them can stop pretending to care about Harry and Meghan.

They can also stop pretending not to be angry and deeply wounded.

They don't have to invite them to anything ever again.

They can start leaking things they've held back in hopes of moving beyond all this (cf. the bullying report).

Charles now has a case built for taking the titles.

The DM headline quotes someone as saying the Netflix programme and the timing of the trailer amount to a "Declaration of War" on the royal family by the Sussexes.

I'm not sure that's correct, but there is something about a declaration of war that clarifies lines, and frees one to take actions that a muddier situation might not indicate.

The Queen was averse to confrontation all her life. She was slack with her sister, her mother, her second son, with Diana, and with Harry and Meghan.

Charles is not the Queen, and one thing he and William share is a ruthlessness that emerges when insulted. The memoir is likely to insult Camilla, and the Netflix show has already insulted Kate.

Was it worth it, Harry? Your father and brother never speaking to you again or acknowledging your existence or that of your wife and children?

That picture of Megs buying frames at the Dollar Store is too much ! We still havent figured out why they were all wrapped in bubble wrap. Trashy bitch just cant shake off her roots,can she?

Harru and Meg are now officially the Jerry Springer show.

Harry, not Harru.

R201 It's a nice thought, but, no.

QEII probably did, as her mother did wit her, leave everything to Charles with specific directions on bequests to certain old retainers and members of the family. In these circles, they keep the bulk of the fortune centralised, as it were, in the head of the family.

It's unlikely that Harry came in for anything significant, if anything at all.

And after this, neither he nor his children will ever see a farthing of the Windsor fortune. Charles will leave the bulk to William but set up handsome trust funds for William's three children, see that Camilla is taken care of, and possible something to Camilla's kids, to whom he is said to be close.

It is likely that the Spencers will cut Harry off, too, after this disgraceful affair. Neither of Diana's sisters would be anything but appalled, and they would know that this would have broken her heart; as for Charles Spencer: he's an old school aristocrat who would see Harry as a class traitor. That probably goes for most of the aristocracy, as well, in Harry's circle.

[quote]Charles will probably take the Sussex title (as well as Andrew's to keep the thing honest), too.

How?

I can see Charles leaving something to Archie and Lilibet, but tied up in ironclad trusts that won't mature until they are in their 30s and wise to their parents' bullshit.

Why would they be invited to the Coronation now? It would just be an opportunity for the Harkles to gather more content for whatever their next attack plan will be.

Why would Charles leave anything to Harry's kids? Harry is making quite a pile attacking Charles and his wife and other son and daughter in law. Charles has no relationship with those kids, and he knows perfectly well that Harry is quite able to take care of them.

Archie will be lucky if Charles leaves Harry's ducal title for him to inherit, never mind money.

And Meghan can stop thinking about what she's going to wear to the coronation.

Whenever I see pictures of Dumbass, the Duchess of Nothing Much crying, I think of the video where she tells the interviewer she can cry on demand. It went something like "one tear, left eye"

[quote] It is likely that the Spencers will cut Harry off, too, after this disgraceful affair. Neither of Diana's sisters would be anything but appalled, and they would know that this would have broken her heart; as for Charles Spencer: he's an old school aristocrat who would see Harry as a class traitor. That probably goes for most of the aristocracy, as well, in Harry's circle.

This is, of course, gossip, but it’s been reported the Spencers have hired a financial investigator. Seems Haz/Meg may have taken money from Diana’s charity for personal use.

Speaking of which, one of the many reasons H & M were quickly dumped from the Fab Four and Foundation with the P&POW following H&M’s Oz/NZ/Fiji “tour” was financial malfeasance.

The NetFlix show seems to be a complete re-do of the Oprah interview - "if you're going to hear the story, shouldn't it come from us?" and that was what, two years ago? the pictures, portraying themselves as this young, so-in-love, against all odds couple? how many times do they think they can do this?

We've heard it a million times. They'll be spouting off from the nursing home.

Other than on here,I know absolutely no one who evinces the slightest interest in this Dull Duo. That being said,theyve entertained us immensely thru these covid years.

However many times they may think they can do it, this and the book coming out in January really are it. There will be absolutely nothing left to say after that which the public hasn't already hear.

+heard

Paradoxically flaunting their “love affair” and bemoaning their “woe is me” life is inflammatory.

R217 well every time they tell their story it's different...

Nutmeg's eyes look super crossed when she's got her hands on her face, pretending to cry. It's almost like she's attempting to straighten them out.

Well, so much for leaving the BRF to find privacy.

ECO-CONSCIOUS MARKLE TAKES PRIVATE JET FOR 3-HOUR TRIP TO INDY

She’s cranking carbon dioxide into the air for a longer period than she spent in Indy . She couldn’t even be bothered to hang in their city for longer than the absolute minimum amount of time.

Omid Scobie @scobie If tomorrow is Prince William's Super Bowl, then here's your Halftime Show...

Half-time show indeed. 100% pure choreographed entertainment.

Poor Archie looks like a very sad little fat boy.

Careful. Smeg will put Archie on a crash diet. She went crazy starvation when she was teased about backfat.

I have reversed my thinking that Lady Hussey has been unfairly pilloried for an innocent mistake. I can now see why Fulani was so offended, although I certainly disagree with her estimation that MM suffered domestic violence at the hands of the BRF, and that it was acceptable to record private conversations at that event.

In touching Fulani's hair, pushing it aside to see her name tag, and by repeatedly insisting that Fulani answer her quite personal questions, Lady Hussy was demeaning and disrespectful. Would she have taken the same liberties with everyone else? How would she herself have felt if someone did the same to her?

R227, she's 83. Not only is she lacking knowledge in wokeness, but she's possibly too old to care to moderate her own behaviour. And she may suffer from some senility. It's kind of amazing these two people were allowed in the same room together. She's only a few years older than my parents, aunts, uncles and family friends of that generation and not only are they of a different time, they're kind of tired all the time. They say and do obnoxious stuff all the time.

Their Netflix "docuseries" would make an excellent double feature with Casey Anthony's, if you have a strong stomach.

The lady-in-waiting made a gaffe, for sure.

After hearing that the victim changed her name from Marlene to something from her ancestors' country; was wearing garb from her ancestors' country; and represents a charity supporting women from the African diaspora, I find it a bit rich that she chose to go the adolescent route of taking offense rather than telling the old lady that while she's English, she's also proudly of Nigerian descent.

R197 Surely you are joking, DM absolutely hate Meghan and Harry. Why do you think they have numerous articles on them every single days, purely to piss them off.

Did anybody post the final Hilary Rose review of the podcasts yet? I’m so looking forward to reading it.

" I have long suspected that both Harry and Meghan are emotionally stunted and stuck at the late teenage level"

Yeah, they spend their lives whining "PITY ME" like teenagers who think their personal suffering is the most tragic thing that ever happened. Which is a bit rich, coming from filthy rich people who are pretending to be philanthropists! Seriously, real people with real problems expect a duke and duchess with a charitable foundation to behave with noblesse oblige and to treat people with serious problems with courtesy and gentleness, but no! These two twats are asking a world suffering from inflation, environmental disasters, low standards of living, plagues, and poverty to feel sorry for two rich fuckers who've been suffered the tragedy of snubbed by other rich people, and failing to inherit as much unearned wealth as their relatives.

It's why they suck as philanthropists, everyone can see that they don't give a rat's ass about anyone's problems but their own.

I get asked where I'm from all the time and told that I don't look "Australian " - whatever that is. None of my ancestors were born here. I'm not offended by the questions and comments, but I'd be a lot more delicate if inquiring into someone else's heritage. One of my grandmothers loved the attention so much she took to wearing the traditional dress of her birth country on special occasions and enjoyed talking about her life there when asked. Of course, some people may have their own reasons for wearing clothes as being recognisably from other countries.

An 83 year old is from more than one other era. It's a shame she also couldn't pick up on the fact she was getting an annoyed and offended response to her questions and move on to talk to someone else. And the person she was talking to may not have wanted to speak to someone white and priveleged of an advanced age. It is possible.

Have at it, r232.

It's an American thing to want to go on and on about where your ancestors came from - especially with ancestry.com type places. It's fun for us, since we're such mutts.

And isn't there a British show - Who Do You Think You Are? Something like that. Haven't seen it but I thought the whole point of it was to reveal where the ancesters came from.

I do think touching the woman, in any way, maybe especially hair, is ridiculous. Bet she wouldn't do that to a royal from any family, a politician, a famous newscaster, etc. So it does reek of condescension, at the very least.

R235 Thank you so much for that, I am making a cup of coffee especially to read it.

The backlash is already setting in. The UK papers are using terms like "war", stuff is coming out about the Fulani woman's racism and history, and William and Kate being painted as the victims of two vicious, spiteful, narcissistic whingers.

All of which is true.

This really is the Oprah interview 2.0.

Last time, Philip was dying.

This time, it's William and Kate in America for his Earthshot ceremony, Camilla's night violence against women moment trampled on, and Charles barely into his new reign.

The Sussexes really don't care how it looks, do they? They come off as possessed.

Kate and William have carried themselves fantastically through it all, further enhancing the contrast between them and the whingers.

Harry sold his soul to the Devil. As always in such a transaction, the bill will come due.

^*next (not night) big violence against women event

Nemesis follows hubris according to the ancient Greeks. It can't come too soon for this pair.

Those two quickly forget that Charles will probably only get a good 15 years or so, countdown already started. Once he's gone, William will be holding all the cards, and the money.

As always, the Sussexes have demonstrated that they are inept at strategy but heavy on tactics. That's what got them into this position in the first place. And, may I say that Hilary Rose is a now a goddess to me.

Hilary Rose writes with a rapier. It's almost personal, she's so surgically scathing. The last one used all Meghan's bullshit against her, relying only on Meghan's own words. It was some of the most skilful writing I've read in a long time.

I actually don't see Charles even lasting 10 years. The puffy hands can't be a sign of good health.

R242 Same for me, she is absolutely brilliant. Her reviews of the podcast and Meghan in general deserve to go global.

The best thing is we know that they are obsessed with the press, so they have surely read them every week.

The Maul today is this quote from a [italic]Tory[/italic]MP: 'Why on earth we allow him to keep his titles if he hates this country and hates the monarchy. If I had time I'd be bringing in a private members bill to say if you want to hate monarchy you're Mr Windsor - jog on, grow up.'

So two things... first - LOL: apparently the removal of titles act, currently winding its way through parliament and on 345,912th reading, isn't quite as high profile as you might imagine.

But second, maybe parliament will act [italic]if[/italic] the Netflix thing really breaks the camel's back. But I would predict this if momentum really builds: the bill would come from the government side, the power to remove the title will not be resident with the sovereign but with parliament, a compromise could be that parliament passes a motion censuring Harry and asking him to make no further use of the title in his alternate life, the point being to embarrass him and weaken the cachet of the title.

I would not be surprised if - depending on the documentary - there is a lot of reporting around finding a means to remove the title. I am less convinced the means will be found and less convinced there's really a will to do it. But there could be a will to excoriate him for what he's done. I posted upthread, if they go after Kate it will boomerang. She's like the late Queen. We don't know much about her actually but what we see presents a quiet dignity and decency that insulates her from the Sussexes attacks, and at the same time makes them twice as repulsive. They've probably really, really fucked themselves this time and it seems evident they are small and vicious people, even just with their choices around timing. The royal family doesn't have to do much except sit and watch, keeping out of everybody's way.

Once this is out, either the Sussexes get mocked for a damp squib or condemned for being all the words bad enough to call them.

[quote] Only DL would notice that Meghan is sobbing into a Hermes blanket in the documentary trailer.

Unless there are a hundred of us commenting on the trailer… others have noticed. As they were supposed to, with the strategically-placed item.

That's in a lot of the media coverage of the trailer, too.

I wonder if it was product placement.

Those two cannot win with this. Everybody is against them except a few foul Twittiots and activists nobody wants to listen to.

I've seen this vaguely brought up in other threads here and elsewhere over the Time of the Sussexes. But it doesn't seem to have gained any real traction. The question is this: Aren't Harry and Meghan actually posing a threat to the Head of State of a sovereign nation? Aside from family squabbles and narcissistic behaviour, isn't what they are doing actually treasonous? Certainly someone somewhere in an official capacity has taken note of this? I would love to know what is really going on behind the scenes. Forget the BRF, the UK Govt should be acting.

Oh ffs being a stupid moron is not treasonous.

I pity their children. Harry seems like the type who would blame them for not making him happy.

Love the blunt comment at r251.

This Instagram account was formerly a fan of the Sussexes. Now, she doesn't seem to be too sure. Here is her post.

"Too many opinions and comments, many thoughts, a lot of speculation.

The only thing I can personally say it’s: very explosive, very provocative, it is a direct attack on the monarchy, and it is going to have personal consequences for them.

What’s the purpose of this documentary? NONE, there’s no purpose but to keep hurting, (and hurting other people) not healing.

She has nothing to lose, he has already lost every possibility to make peace with his father and brother.

I personally believe that an adult person who speaks ill of his family, where he comes from, is speaking ill of himself. He was able to walk away and cut with what hurts him but speaking against it, that's something else. What comes around goes around. Grow up Harry."

Sincerely, Eugenia

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

I’m not sure why my post above (r254) was censored?

It seems relevant that an elected Member of Parliament is questioning the propriety of Harry’s royal status. Even if Charles can’t bring himself to do it, his hand could be forced if political pressure grows.

Even H&M are realizing their war against the monarchy is running out of steam. If I were King Charles, I'd slam the door, strip the titles and move on.

Where have you been, R255? For weeks, all DM links have been given the same treatment by Muriel. It's nothing personal.

This explains why Meghan was trying to disassociate from the Netflix project in her last interview, R256. I bet they are going to run crying to KC3 with claims Netflix twisted their words, etc. They are vile, manipulative sociopaths with no conscience.

Netflix was only able to twist their words because they gave Netflix words to twist.

[quote]I bet they are going to run crying to KC3 with claims Netflix twisted their words, etc.

And Charles' response should be: The door is closed to any discussion whatsoever while you are married to that woman.

Harry is just as bad, if not worse, than Meg.

Poll - a current total of 98% say that the Sussexes should be stripped of their titles.

Meghan never takes responsibility for anything. Even her own docuseries with a handpicked director isn't told the way she would've liked, so its not her fault if it sucks.

I'm guessing she's shifting blame not only to avoid public criticism, but because there's shit Harry won't be happy about. "I don't know how they got that picture, dear! I guess its my fault for being so trusting and kind."

Yep, the supposed smart woman will play it off like a naive "young" woman who was taken advantage of by big bad netflix.

"Charles will probably only get a good 15 years or so, countdown already started. Once he's gone, William will be holding all the cards, and the money."

I agree that Charles doesn't seem to be in great health, so my guess is that William will be in charge of the show within 10 years, with decent odds him running things in 5. Charles has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer, and in five years he'll be pushing 80. I think Camilla is already making quiet decisions about what he can and can't deal with, with anything on the "no" list going to William, and that's going to increase as Charles gets older, frailer, and dottier.

And Harry had better get it through his thick head that William is going to be making decisions VERY soon, and that siblings are a hell of a less tolerant of bad behavior than guilt-ridden parents.

Maul... news to me:

"Garbus, though, is a steely figure who brings her own clout and contacts. Her partner in the Moxie Firecracker films company is Rory Kennedy, daughter of the late Robert F. Kennedy.

By amazing coincidence, Rory's sister, Kerry Kennedy, will present Meghan and Harry with the Ripple of Hope award for overcoming institutional racism in the Royal Family at a ceremony in New York on Tuesday — two days before the Netflix documentary is finally aired."

On the eve of the Netflix release, Meghan was booked as a guest on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, which is filmed in New York. But, embarrassingly for NBC, it then emerged that she wasn't going to appear shortly after the broadcaster announced that she was.

One version of the inside story says she wanted to be on The Tonight Show only if she was given the rare honour of being the only guest. Another is that she didn't want to appear without Harry, as the message of their unity as a couple is key."

Removing the titles and ostracising them would just fuel their victim narrative. I’d invite them to the Coronation, give them a nice seat two rows from the back, and make them ceremonially bow to the new King, which (after the whingefest book and series) will show them up as the hypocrites they are. Thereafter, they will have nothing more to sell.

Make them sit with Zara and her husband Tindall - because they know he called Harry a bellend.

And put security behind them - like I think they did before?

Maybe throw in Eugenie unless she's moved up a few notches lately - or to kill two birds with one stone, put Andrew and Sarah on that row, assuming Sarah is invited. BEHIND Edward and Sophie and their children, of course.

I think I'm basically describing what they already did though, at the Jubbly lol.

IMHO Harry will be invited to the coronation, since Charles will look better if he issues the invitation than if he doesn't. Harry would be well-advised to refuse, since if he goes, he's going to receive constant little digs and snubs, that the public won't give a rat's ass about because they wouldn't hurt anyone except an unusually childish aristocrat, and everyone delivering the digs and snubs knows damn well that Harry will just look like an idiot if he complains about them.

So Harry will want to refuse the invite, but Meg will make him go, because she knows that it'll be a better look if they try to keep of the pretense of trying for a reconciliation.

My prediction is that they will attend the coronation in order to overshadow it. They will take the kids and show them off at every opportunity. They will want to ensure they are on the front page instead of KC.

I think we'll all know after the series and book if they'll be invited at all.

I think we're potentially on the cusp of enough finally being enough. I always took the view the RF would do as little as needed doing... party playing a long game and partly refusing to get down in the mud with the Sussexes.

At some point stiff upper lip looks weak and pathetic.

They are terrible, petulant children.

Their children haven't had exposure to family and people in general let alone huge crowds.

Suddenly parading their kids at the Coronation may backfire as the kids would understandably be frightened at the magnitude of it and who knows how they would end up behaving. Narc mom will go into a rage if they embarrass her.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have been accused of taking a private photographer into Buckingham Palace without permission during their farewell tour in Britain, after a behind-the-scenes image was broadcast to millions in their new Netflix trailer.

The one-minute-long advert for the Duke and Duchess’s new documentary shows a series of black-and-white photographs, taken at their Frogmore Cottage, their wedding evening reception, and on holidays.

One picture appears to have been taken inside Buckingham Palace, showing them walking out of the garden entrance.

By convention, anyone wishing to film or shoot in the Queen’s home requires permission, with “strict protocol” surrounding imagery in what is considered private quarters.

The Telegraph understands that the presence of the photograph was the subject of a written palace complaint at the time, as aides noted that the couple had not asked permission to shoot inside the Queen’s home.

The Sussexes are not thought to have been made personally aware of the warning.

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later, re the trailer:

“It is certainly stretching the definition of privacy,” said one critic after the trailer was released.

Do you know who else might not be very pleased with this blitz on the BRF and especially Kate? Carol Middleton, otherwise known as the UK's Kris Jenner. How would Kris handle this situation when "there is so much at stake"? I'm sure Carol has a a little black magic up her sleeve. Meghan is gaining enemies left, right, and center. There really will be no going back after this and the book. Almost all of the comments of YouTube are negative and this is on Netflix's channel.

It's also been said that Netflix is not pleased with Meghan and Harry for making it an "agonizing process dragged out over 2 years".

Carole isn't Kris Jenner. There's no need to manage reputations when you actually raise your children right. I do agree with the rest of what you're saying, though.

Palace strategy is laugh at them:

They may have tried their best to derail the Prince and Princess of Wales’s three-day visit to Boston.

But in the event, royal aides welcomed the release of a slickly-produced Netflix trailer, packed to the brim with drama from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, which only widened the gulf between the two camps.

While Prince Harry and Meghan continued to paint themselves as victims, heads in hands, tearing their hair out at the unfairness of it all, the Prince and Princess were simply getting on with the job.

They were greeted by large crowds, many of whom waited hours in biting temperatures and torrential downpours. There were tears, clasped hands and declarations of love.

The Sussexes’ apparent determination to focus on the struggles of the past is met with a mixture of amusement and bewilderment by palace aides.

In their native US, the documentary project, the forthcoming memoir, the magazine interviews, simply perpetuate the notion that the Sussexes are celebrities rather than statespersons.

Last week, some 3,000 miles from California, the Prince and Princess were looking to the future, presenting themselves as “changemakers”, a powerful couple on a mission to create a better future.

Before they left the UK, a source close to the Prince and Princess issued a prescient disclaimer: they would let nothing distract from their trip.

The comment was aimed sharply at the Sussexes, who are no strangers to grabbing headlines, but Kensington Palace could never have predicted that the highly sensitive, three-day visit would collide with not one, but two dramas on the royal stage.

The first, a damaging race row and the resignation of Lady Susan Hussey, the Prince’s godmother.

The second drama perhaps could have been foreseen, such is the froideur between the Kensington Palace and Montecito-based branches of the Royal family.

Team Wales was convinced the release of a glossy Netflix trailer was deliberately timed to derail their US trip.

A tweet from Omid Scobie, the Sussexes’ biographer and chief cheerleader, could not have been more provocative.

It is indicative of how the Sussexes are now viewed at the palace that some have started referring to them as the Kardashians.

However, the trailer, set to dramatic music and showing a rapid stream of images of Prince Harry and Meghan, was largely considered to be rather fortuitous for the Prince and Princess.

The mood in Boston was of general resignation rather than anger.

“They’re out there supporting communities and trying to shine the light on other people rather than shine light on themselves,” one friend wryly pointed out.

Don't forget to put in the will, "...for reasons which are well known to them!"

We have narcissism, mental illness and drug abuse to thank for this Netflix shitshow. Can’t-miss TV.

They will not be allowed to attend the coronation.

If the story behind this choker is true - nicely played, Catherine.

[quote]And put security behind them - like I think they did before?

I'll watch if it's Major Johnny and that big thing hanging between his legs!

Oooo Catherine is slaying in that gorgeous necklace !

[quote]The Sussexes’ apparent determination to focus on the struggles of the past is met with a mixture of amusement and bewilderment by palace aides. In their native US, the documentary project, the forthcoming memoir, the magazine interviews, simply perpetuate the notion that the Sussexes are celebrities rather than statespersons.

Yes, Meghan is in her "native US" -- but they're applying that to Harry, as well? And this is the Telegraph. Isn't that a conservative paper?

Who cares if they flog their victimhood for not being invited to the Coronation? They've been doing it for two years now and to what end? They have a few hardcore stans, but most people are either bored by them or mock them.

The dress is rented, meaning it's likely not tailored, and she still looks fantastic. (Yes, I am jealous)

That choker was actually Queen Mary's, not Diana's, though she did wear it.

[quote]It is indicative of how the Sussexes are now viewed at the palace that some have started referring to them as the Kardashians.

Ouch.

Meg will try too hard to top the green goddess dress and hilarity will ensue. I can't wait.

I'm sure she will triple her Adderal to look thinner than Kate.

A declaration of war: How royal insiders describe Netflix trailer for Harry and Meghan documentary.

Haha we've been saying since 2017 that a dopey reality show is the best the Harkledashians can do, and it's finally coming true. A dream fulfilled

R266, do you really think she made all those demands to appear on The Tonight Show?

Because then she goes and appears on a podcast with Andy Cohen of all people. That would seem beneath her. And then during the episode, Andy Cohen claims to not have remembered meeting her before but she remembered it. For a famewhore like him, I find it hard to believe he didn't remember meeting her.

I wonder if people connected with the Royal Family reached out to NBC and asked that her appearance on The Tonight Show be cancelled or at least rescheduled.

I don't think the Royal Family had anything to do with Smeg's canceled NBC appearance. Smeg is known for her ridiculous demands. She probably asked to host the show with her pick of A-List guests. (She will get Reese to friend her somehow, dammit.)

Caroline Kennedy is good friends with Lorne Michaels and she hosted Kate and William at the JFK Library along with President Biden.

Maybe Lorne thought it wasn't a good look to have Meghan on the show. Plus, Jimmy doesn't lack for high profile guests in the way that Andy Cohen does. And Meghan potentially bitching about her sister-in-law isn't the type of thing that Jimmy gets into. That's more Wendy Williams territory.

Oh I hope it's true that Caroline managed to stop Meghan's appearance. It's Meg's modus operandi to put out a self-protective PR lie, for cover, instead of it coming out that she was out-gamed by her nemeses. First hubris, then nemesis (is that the quote from upthread?) Love it!! Imagine how furious Ms Markle is LOL.

Catherine essentially kicked Smeg in the cunt with her Fuck You choker tonight.

The British press REALLY doesn't get that the American public have never taken to the Sussexes, nor have they even been seen as celebrities. They are, and always have been, laughingstocks here.

I'd be happy for people to age naturally, but Catherine has had some really excellent work done. In the pic at R279, she looks gorgeous. A very judicious hand must have applied a tiny bit of Botox in all the right places to make her look much softer and more symmetrical.

Great choice of dress, too. Sexy and elegant, but in a symbolic color and also in line with the Queen's strategy of the last few decades of always wearing bright signal colors. And glad to see William being classically elegant. I hope he never again wears a turtleneck with a velvet jacket or velvet slippers.

And well-received in the most Irish-American city in America by scion of the Irish community - Caroline Kennedy. Who may even have cock-blocked (cunt-blocked) Meghan from Jimmy Fallon's show. Delicious - hell, even if it's not all true, it makes me happy to think it might be. It's not healthy how much I hate that vicious woman.

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I read the Tonight Show appearance was cancelled because she wanted to be the sole guest for the entire hour and NBC wouldn't agree to it. Maybe TPTB watched the clip of her on Craig Ferguson and thought a full hour of her coquettish ways was not appealing.

Not to mention when she flirted with Larry King and even HE wasn't buying, r298.

What was the story of the choker?

I don't think Kate had work done. Nobody's thought she looked any different this week until the photos last night. It's not like she had it done yesterday afternoon in a spare hour.

The palace has obviously briefed the Telegraph... headline's pretty harsh... The strategy of the briefing seems to be a) what more can they possibly have to say and b) they caused the Queen significant unhappiness. Not really a good look for them. They are on the defensive now, with more shit flowing from their end in the weeks ahead. Not a bad play.

There's not a ton of new content but the stuff seemed new to me was:

The Daily Telegraph has spoken to a number of well-placed sources to piece together a picture of what really happened in the final weeks and months of Queen Elizabeth II’s life in relation to the couple she generously described as “much loved members of the family”. Regardless of how Spare – or Netflix – may interpret those events, the other side of the story does not make for comfortable reading.

As one insider explained: “The late Queen not only knew the Duke’s health was failing but also her own. It became clear that she was on borrowed time as she began to tie up loose ends. That’s what made the Sussexes’ behaviour doubly difficult to deal with. The timing could not have been more insensitive.”

While she insisted on publicly reiterating that “Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved family members,” in private, the great-grandmother was, according to those who knew her best, “devastated”, “bewildered” and “disappointed”,

She repeatedly questioned why they were persisting in attacking the very institution “that had given them so much”. She also echoed her staff’s disbelief at Harry and Meghan’s tale of abandonment when the perception from the top down was that “everyone had bent over backwards for the couple”.

Tom Bower’s claim in his book, Revenge: Mehan, Harry and the war between the Windsors, that the late Queen did not want the former American actress at the Duke’s funeral in April 2021, a month after Oprah had its primetime airing, rings true. Tellingly, Buckingham Palace did not deny Bower’s claim that she told an aide before the ceremony at St George’s Chapel, Windsor Castle: “Thank goodness Meghan isn’t coming”.

When the couple made another beeline for Windsor Castle, travelling straight there after landing at Farnborough Airport, she refused their request to have professional photographs taken with Archie, three, and her namesake Lilibet, one. Claiming she had a bloodshot eye, she adroitly denied the Sussexes the photo opportunity they craved. Harry was “persistent”, according to those party to the meeting, expressing a desire to get an official snap of the two Lilibets together at some point in the future. But of course it was never to be. She died three months later.

Although the palace does not plan to provide a “running commentary” in response to whatever the couple claim, the press office is likely to point out any factual inaccuracies. There are already rumours of inconsistencies between what Harry and Meghan have told Netflix and the contents of the autobiography, ghostwritten by Pulitzer Prize winning author J R Moehringer, who was conspicuous by his absence from the most recent PR round for the book.

Sources close to the Sussexes have suggested they have little control over the timing or promotion of the Netflix series and the autobiography and yet the couple are thought to be in advanced talks with their friend, CBS host Gayle King, to do a US broadcast interview, while another pal, ITV’s Tom Bradby is being touted as a possible inquisitor on the UK side.

I think the BRF would be wise to do and say nothing, at least until well after the dust settles. Meghan and Harry are shooting the last of their well-know wad with this show and the book. Most people well see who and what these two are. After the book release they have nothing left.

Whether or not they had control over the Netflix show is irrelevant. They deliberately set out to make money off disrespecting, misrepresenting and disparaging a family that bent over backwards to support and accommodate these two unremarkable sociopaths.

Also worth noting that's the second Telegraph story in a day aimed at the Sussexes and how they conduct themselves. Yesterday was the story about the photo taken in a private part of Buckingham Palace, where the permission of the Queen was required for taking it and for public use. No accident.

Unfortunately, they do have more after the documentary and book. They have the Coronation. Regardless of how it plays out, they attend, don't attend or aren't invited, it will be more for them to capitalize on and moan about for a while.

The Coronation is the last possible opportunity for them for a very, very long time to be seen publicly with the BRF. They wouldn't miss it for the world.

Let's face it, the Sussexes are parasites. They didn't want to work to support the monarch, so they moved away. Once in California and Charles stopped giving free money, that have wanted fast money. Well, people ordinarily have to work for money. They would be wise to get jobs, even cushy jobs, and demonstrate to their children the importance of work. They might also try to tone down their lifestyle to make it more affordable.

R305, I think at this point most people would completely understand why they were not invited to the coronation. The two have been completely despicable to their family, especially the new king. Tell me one kind thing they have done or said about the BRF? Meanwhile, the Queen and Charles have been giving, supportive, patient and tolerant only to be spat at viciously in the most public manner possible.

r294 I agree. Andrew Neils Daily Mail column saying the Sussexes arre winning in America was emb.

I also think they should be called more by their other titles by the media-the Dumbartons.

It's not just the UK media pushing the idea that the Harkles are popular in the U.S. Someone needs to clue in pretend journalist Gayle King that Dimbo and his Harridan are a joke.

r310 Gayle King played a role in trying to blackmail an elderly woman on television whilst her husband was on his death bed. Despicable. Her Meghans receipts comment was thinly veiled. I meant to type Andrew Neil's column was laughably not sure why it came out as emb!! I was a passenger in a car going over a series of speedbumps whilst typing is my only explanation!

I thought it was an abbreviation for 'embarrassing' - which worked in the sentence.

R300, according to the tweets I posted earlier, and this one, Meghan wanted the stones in this choker for her engagement ring. She supposedly leaked it to the press that she was going to get it. Evidently, that was a lie.

Factoid: Roya Nikkah in the Times wrote that Lady Susan Hussey remained in the room with the Queen the morning the Harkles dragged themselves in for five minutes. Probably put a bit of a damper on spirited conversation.

R314 here is the full article.

r312 I just couldn't remember for certain but yes embarrassing is correct I think. I didn't realise to much later that I had mistyped.

He seemed to think many Americans are invested in the Harry and Meghan story whereas majority indifference seems the reality.

The pap photo used in the trailer is from a Harry Potter premiere.

More details are coming out from palace sources. Charles is not as much of a pushover as thought.

'Harry, 37, is said to have “bombarded” his grandmother with calls when she was put on light duties due to her worsening mobility.

An insider revealed: “The late Queen was always happy to speak with Harry but when he asked for money she said, ‘Why don’t you speak to your father?’

“Harry told her that Charles wasn’t taking his calls any more.

“Charles insisted that his son must email him instead. Members of the family, including William, had stopped speaking to Harry when they learned of his book deal, fearing what they said could end up in print.

“Harry is not as well off as people are led to believe. He was wanting money.

"When the Queen asked Charles what he was doing about it because she was fielding so many calls, he told her, ‘I’m not a bank’."'

Very interesting, R318.

Paints an interesting picture. Seems The Queen was the only member of the upper level of the RF who was still talking to Harry.

Her dying must have thrown him for a loop if that is the case. If he was continuing to hit her up for money, her death closed that door but good.

Well, Netflix’s big launch trailer just reached 110K DISLIKES vs 15k likes… how are they going to spin it now⁉️😆

Over 120k dislikes now.

The old gal was in her mid 90s. By ANY metric, the clock was running out. He should've been sucking up to Daddy.

Why was halfwit Harry hitting up grandmama and papa for money when wealthy David Foster is "like a father" to him? Why isn't he hitting Daddy David up for some cash?

Remember how youtube stopped displaying the dislike feature after MM put herself on there reading The Bench and scored a staggeringnumber of dislikes? I wonder if something similar will happen with the twitter poll.

Good points r322, r323 and why not get some money from Elton who has been a friend to Harry, his mum and his kids? Elton has paid for their private jet flights and offsets before. Or scab off Tyler Perry some more?

Apart from staying with the Clooneys at Lake Como after the wedding, has a friendship been formed there?

R324, Elton has a long history of financial trouble; he’s generous, but I’m sure that there are limits there. Tyler Perry, who is also entirely self-made, is famously cheap. I’ve never heard of any subsequent involvement with the Clooneys. If you have to sponge, it’s best to sponge off of your own family, yet they seem to have made that impossible.

But why would the Harkles need money? They scored all of those lucrative media deals! And what happened to Harry's book advance? Guess all of those private planes to Uvalde and Indianapolis are expensive.

What a pitiful picture this makes, of manic Harry constantly ringing the very ill Queen for a few bucks, while braying to Gail King about their special exclusive relationship. Good to see BP getting in front of the Harkles' inevitable attempt to rewrite history.

Why would someone like Elton want to give Harry money? Harry can't make him the first rock life peer!

Read the comments... a format has taken root...

"I love the part where Harry gives a key note speech at the United Nations to seven old people nodding off and a janitor."

"I love the part where Haz is pretending to play the guitar and Meghan looks at her meal ticket like she actually loves him, it’s so beautiful."

"I love the part where she booted her own family from her wedding save one, and instead invited people she had never met."

"The part where Megan was among the poverty stricken in Africa and cried out, “nobody has asked me how I am!” Was so stunning and brave. I’m still crying over that scene!"

I love the part where she cried one tear from her left eye at the Queen's funeral whilst curtsying in her Zoro outfit and out of season hat. It warmed the cockles of my heart.

These two are going to be throwing spaghetti against the wall for the rest of their lives and nothing will ever stick. Anyone foolish enough to hire them or "collaborate" with them will quickly extricate themselves from the insane and impossible to work with duo.

Something is up with Andy Cohen, no coincidence he was on her podcast. Supposedly they are moving to Bel Air or somewhere closer to L.A. so perhaps a Real Housewives of Wherever they move to? It won't last more than a season as Andy will find out she is more trouble than she is worth.

Perhaps Tom Selleck will retire soon and she can take over his reverse mortgage commercials?

If Charles cut them off and they were left begging TQ for money, no wonder they looked so defeated at her funeral.

I agree Meghan experienced racism and that they're two human beings just trying to live their life, but they are so immature and self-absorbed and irresponsible. Even the pics from the docuseries portray them as early college students. Could you imagine Obama and Michelle jumping with hands in the air, giving Eskimo kisses in a photo booth, or playing guitar in the grass? At FORTY? It's so cringey.

What they experienced was the family she never had and the entire staff bending over backwards to accommodate them. In return the family she never had and the staff received vitriol and lack of appreciation of epic proportions.

r329 Sounds like many people are cottoning on to their contrived act and the professional victimhood so many in the spotlight try and pull these days.

That recoiling and disgust Markle "experienced was because she is a A+++ cunt.

Except that anything that happens counts as racism these days, I find it hard to imagine as Duchess of Sussex that Meghan Markle faced racism from anyone she met face to face. On the internet, sure, but not in the "institution." However, racism was integral the brand and the plan.

I don't watch the Housewives shows but friends who do tell me Rinna is quite a number. I hope Markle ends up on her show and gets owned.

So, apparently Archewell Foundation received a $10 million donation in 2021 from the Silicon Valley Community Foundation…

Confirmed:

Kind of telling when they have to finish off their press release with:

"Ms Dayani is fully supportive of the Duke and Duchess in their new leadership roles, and they remain friends.”

R338 Where did you hear that from?

.R349 ...smiling thinly through clenched teeth

They don’t seem to keep staff long, do they?

They used a photo of H with Chelsy in the trailer too. Chelsy cropped out of course.

R339 Geez, a bit of an Eve Harrington vibe about her.

R338, any word on how much of that $10M was pissed away on private jet flights, security, home office, hiring and training staff who would leave them, since they received it?

What other expenses would they have claimed and how much has actually gone to help those in need?

You so mean. Doritos from the Quicki Mart at Uvalde and some $25 Starbucks cards for the shelter staff don't cone cheap, mister.

Someone already posted on one of these threads (might be this one, I'm too lazy to look) that they've already been caught in a lie with that trailer. The paparazzi shot that Harry "must protect his family from" is reported to be a stock photo from one of the Harry Potter movie premiers.

R339 "The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are to take “full lead” of their company..."

Another wise decision! Just in time for the rollout of the documentary and autobiography. They are making it far too easy for us.

Yes, if there is one thing pampered prince Harry and D-list actress Markle know about is running a company!

Valentine Low at The Times writes a pretty harsh summary of what's to come (no new news, just poking holes in their pomposity.)

He did have this laugh riot:

"Not surprisingly, (Piers) Morgan was not too impressed, writing on Twitter: “Princess Pinocchio and Prince Hypocrite use my voice to flog their ghastly new series. I’m traumatised by this exploitation.”

They really are total losers.

Can someone post the entire Times article for those of us without a 'scrip? Not the vid though, can't stand to listen to either of them, not interested in what vitriol spews from their mouths.

Poor Charles has to parent his 37 year-old man-child son through the media now, as in: no Harry, when you whine and scream and tell lies you still do not get your own way....

Another one bites the dust

Will the docu-series include footage of Haz introducing Meg to Diana's sisters Jane and Sarah and telling them Meg was just like Diana? I would love to see the looks on his aunts' faces.

R356 maybe her sisters asked Harry: does Meghan have Borderline Personality Disorder too?

Oh my more fake footage. Harry does a voiceover saying " I was terrified- I didn't want history to repeat itself", as the film shows paps xhasing Katie Price on her way into court for drunk driving! Maybe he is scared for Pricey?

The article at R355 is great. The fact that the podcast producer announced on Instagram that producers and sound engineers are doing most of the work and getting zero recognition is delicious. Yes, she backtracks a bit by saying she wasn't talking about her current position....but she wrote it while in her current position on Archtypes.

I'm certain the Markle make everyone sign iron-clad NDAs, but given the dozens of staff they've abused, there will be a lot of leaks. There already are as evidenced through the past week's news reports of Netflix and Spotify leadership being at their wits' end with these fools.

If the Netflix series is a big hit, then they will find people willing to work with them. If it is not, then they are done.

I’m hoping that it flops badly.

It appears to be Oprah interview redux, except this time some of the medua plus many many onlookers are unwilling to let the lies go unchallenged.

R360 I think it will get good numbers BUT don't confuse numbers for success...I think this going to be hate/comedy watched.

R362, if it gets good numbers, Netflix won’t care why it got them.

I've got my nerf balls ready to throw at the tv.

Not sure why this is coming out of Italy, but there are "rumors circulating" there about Meagan's affair with her bodyguard, Christopher Sanchez, who also worked for President Obama.

^Just a weak deflection attempt

Don't think Meghan would bother with a bodyguard. She needs to score for her 3rd husband. Probably some incredibly ugly, nerdy incel techie she can boss around.

Based on the second trailer, this is a six-part mystery series about what happened to their amazing popularity. First, they were insanely popular and then, suddenly, they weren't. What happened? Their god-given right to be adored was stolen by plotting schemers from the Palace. They were going to kill Meghan with racist comments from the Daily Mail. Why? Because she and her fucking popularity were a threat. A threat to what, I'm not sure, since no one votes on who's going to be the monarch, but it was a THREAT.

That's it. That's their story.

The comments about the trailer on YouTube are a scream.

"Not sure why this is coming out of Italy, but there are "rumors circulating" there about Meagan's affair with her bodyguard"

If William is "vowing to fight back", as someone claimed on a different thread, this is how he'd have his underlings do it. Not a public word out of his or Katherine's mouths, just ugly rumors and uglier leaks being published, Harry's old chums and allies being seen with Charles or Will, ex-staffers talking to the press or finding the money to file lawsuits, etc., while William and Katherine seem to float above it all, as calm and regal as a couple of tall ships in full sail.

[quote]"Incredibly unethical to refer to your reality show as a “historical documentary” and crop out photos of your husband’s ex girlfriend ACTUALLY being harassed by paparazzi when you’re trying to paint the narrative that it’s about you…"

[quote]Michael Cohen @MichaelCohen212 3h Seriously…I have more than enough to deal with without having to contend with this too! ⁦Netflix Accused of Using ⁦@MichaelCohen212 Footage to Show MeghanMarkle, PrinceHarry Being Stalked by Paparazzi in Docuseries Trailer

Who do Harry and Meghan need protection from? At the walkabout nobody even wanted to shake their hand.

[quote]Chelsy cropped out of course.

Love it!

Are the paparazzi taking any interest in Harry and Meg at all? I had a quick google for "Harry Meg paparazzi 2022", and didn't see any candid photos at all, just pics from public appearances.

r372 r374 Its strange...almost as if they are lying...

The current states of affairs for the Mountbatten-Whinger’s 😏😏😏: 254.708 dislikes.

The thing they crave (attention) is the very thing they claim they need protection from.

in the Times article:

[quote]The theme of the trailer is how everything changed, how the couple’s popularity nosedived during the year after their wedding. As Harry says: “It’s really hard to look back on it now and go, ‘What on Earth happened?’”

It has to be a conspiracy for the Sussexes, doesn't it? It can't be that Meghan was and is an incredibly controlling, bullying and unlikable person to the extent that even the public perceives it. So it has to be some 'other,' some big evil out to "get" her/them. Jesus fuck we are watching mental illness writ large here.

Notice how in one of the shots Meghan is kinda styled to look like her little-girl self, the one who schooled Procter and Gamble.

They don't seem to understand that the wedding gave them a huge boost of popularity.

Seems they thought that level would continue forever.

This seems to match the supposed comments during and after the Down Under tour where they loved the positive press and apparently thought that meant that they were now the "stars" of the RF.

That initial boost was never going to continue. Like ratings on a TV show. Only faster because they both were so exposed through publicity.

The concept "Less is more" is foreign to them.

The 2nd trailer uses an image of a genuine BRF media scrum surrounding....KATE!

Blink and you'll miss it, but it's there along with the words "this feeding frenzy"

Meghan really, really wants to be Kate, doesn't she?

From twitter

Akua @AkuaAhuofe

Megsy dear. This is Catherine not you. Show your receipts. Show paparazzi hounding you, chasing your car, calling you names & camping at your doorstep. Show the world how your face was placed on a bus with an insulting caption You wish but it was not to be.

The media scrum footage of celebrities who are NOT Harry and Meghan is deliciously awful. Those two knuckleheads, who are complaining about press intrusion, can’t even find video clips to support their case. Also, whoever is working on this clearly hates them. Any decent production staff would have been aware that the footage wasn’t of them and would have come up with another way to tell the story. The trailers give the impression of a demoralized staff with an eye on the exit.

What's so interesting about the fact that there's no footage shown of them - or her - being subject to a media scrum is that it means that Netflix KNOWS they're lying.

Netflix went looking for the footage and couldn't find ANY.

Netflix knows that she was never in actual danger, never chased by anyone, and that therefore Harry's whole "reason" for leaving is total bullshit, despite it being the entire subject of this show.

[quote] Also, whoever is working on this clearly hates them. Any decent production staff would have been aware that the footage wasn’t of them and would have come up with another way to tell the story.

Yes.

And apparently they used a photo of Harry that was cut from a photo which contained his old girlfriend (was it Chelsy?) That too was revealed by some sharp eyed viewer.

What they don't seem to get (or perhaps it never dawns on them) is that they both have past history through the media. And as their lies began to be exposed, particularly after the Oprah fest, more and more media watchers were both suspiciously and for fun, investigating anything that came from the dastardly duo.

If Harry was interviewed back before he even knew Mrs Harry and talked about his brother encouraging him to seek therapy but after Mrs Harry, he claims that it was his wife who encouraged him to seek therapy, the lies (or revision of history as Tudor calls it) is easily revealed.

Every time it happens, it exposes more and more of their ineptitude. I might feel sorry for them, but I will save that sorrow for the 2 kids.

What Harry and Meg have wanted all along is not freedom from media attention, they want media attention. What they want is *control over* media attention!

That's been the motive behind most of their media-related actions, from the lawlsuits to wanting to use social media to release photos of the kids. Of course the ridiculous thing about this is that the Palace spokespeople have as much control over the media as anyone on Earth, but that wasn't good enough for Harry and Meg. They thought they could do a better job than the best.

What happened to their worldwide popularity? Harry god married, that's what happened!

Harry was always the popular one, he was world famous and almost universally liked, or lusted after. Meg was popular with women of color or "aspirational" women for a while, but I don't think they were ever actually popular as a couple, except for maybe right after the wedding.

I was wondering about that, R383. At this point almost everyone they worked with on this series must know they're lying - and from the leaks probably dislike them as much as anyone posting here. I'm curious if anyone feels even a little bit guilty about playing a part in an attempt to attack an institution/people in the institution for crimes (racism etc.) they now must know they're not guilty of.

I think they're ridiculous, but I'll try to be fair about the trailer. Movie trailers are put together by marketers to maximize opening weekend ticket sales and can often completely misrepresent the movie. I assume it's the same for Netflix shows.

I think all the paparazzi shots are going to be used to build their case against Harry's bête noire: the UK media. I imagine the director will use those shots as Harry describes how horrible the media is in general; I doubt they'll claim Meghan was harassed in real life. They will have the tabloid articles and social media and below the line comments to back up their claims, though. Plus the Bot Sentinel guy who was bitchily tweeting about the Wales.

The tabloids were extremely kind to them until the Oprah interview.

The social media posts and comments below any articles is not the UK press assaulting Meghan. Just evidence that the public was beginning to see through her.

The Bot Sentinel guy is about to be taken down via discovery in a lawsuit a NYC lawyer is bringing against him. Look up "Nate the lawyer" and "Bouzy" on twitter if you are interested in finding out more. Nate was on twitter just today saying he was suddenly bombarded with press phone calls from as far away as Australia and the UK all day long, all journalists who saw Bouzy in the trailer and are phoning him up to find out what he knows about the man. Nate says he has documents showing that Bouzy once declared that both Markle and Amber Heard were paying him.

The Harkles have nothing to back up their claim that they were hounded, or that Meghan was victimised. Only evidence that she was increasingly disliked as normal, non-press people began to see through her act.

Here's a link to Natethelawyer's tweet today

She's not attractive or accomplished enough for that r367. She got really lucky she was able to con her way into dumbo Harry's life and circle.

In my whole life, I can't recall seeing anything critical of the queen. She was beyond criticism, even after she was shown to have a part in the Panama Papers. (Although she came pretty close after Diana's death.) And Harry led MM to believe she would be similarly immune - she stated, 'We'll always be royal; Harry and Archie have royal blood.' However, she forgot all of the vicious criticism directed at other royals and royals-by-association - Kate, Camilla, Fergie, Andrew, Margaret and even Charles.

[QUOTE]In my whole life, I can't recall seeing anything critical of the queen

Really? You must be very young or something.

All the royals come in for criticism - really brutal criticism - during their lives and the Queen is no exception. It's just that as she became very elderly, they backed off.

More than Meghan and Harry did. They wanted to release this documentary when she was still alive, and when they knew she was dying of bone marrow cancer. I see them as elder abusers.

Sadly, I am far from young. Please fill me in as to the criticism levelled at the queen. I suppose she benefited by being elderly by the time the internet got into full swing around 2000.

They made an entire movie about one of the times she was dangerously brutalised by press, r395. It's called The Queen. Good film.

At r393. I meant to link the Sex Pistols "God Save the Queen" Don't know what cock-blocking may have occurred...

Does she have histrionic personality disorder in addition all her other disorders?

No one was chasing her like she was The Beatles -- ever.

According to Twitter they are in NYC to promote this fiction and Backgrid is on the scene taking photos. Backgrid = thirsty celeb or their PR called them and made an appointment to voluntarily be papped.

Can't stand either one of them or their voices but I find halfwit Harry to be the more vomitous of the two.

Jeez, I’ve just seen the new trailer, what a pair of fucking Mary’s. The way they are going on you would thing that the palace sent them to Ukraine for for a royal tour, and that they were kidnapped and tortured whilst the Royal Family turned a blind eye.

Meghan was in the family for only a couple of years, some of that maternity leave, she worked less than 70 days doing royal visits. How bad could it have been? Meghan was loved by the British people when they got married, until she turned on us.

I hope they lose everything after this shit show, in Britain they will now be hated. There will be pressure from the public and press for Charles to strip them of their titles after this is shown.

What a pair of nasty lying cunts. People are living in appalling conditions, the city streets are full of homeless people, families and the elderly having to get free food from food banks, two years of lockdowns and Covid, and these two cunts who are amongst the most privileged people in the world are whinging away. Fuck them. I hope they die in a grease fire.

King Charles absolutely should not strip their titles. It'll set a horrible precedent. I've always thought Meghan hoped she could somehow cancel Will and Kate to the point she and Harry got the throne, and if titles can be stripped due to public sentiment, either by the monarch or parliament, then she's not altogether wrong and one step closer. I can't even imagine the attacks that would begin then.

It's also a terrible idea when you consider the agents who are hoping to destabilize the West and their governments. Allowing public sentiment to determine royal birth right would be the start of the end.

*All this said from the POV of what would be best for the BRF and not a general opinion on what's best for the people.

I think the best way forward would be to fatally damage the value of the titles. If Charles were to write Harry (and make it known) asking him to make no further use of the title and to announce so publicly, similar to what the Queen did when she ordered the divorce, their persistent use of the titles would make them look even more absurd. That's the precedent and the whole show is comfortable with precedent. I agree with the post upthread, they will not want to set the precedent of stripping titles except under the worst of circumstances (like being on the enemy side in war or conviction for a criminal offence.) It's messy and complicated to take the title away, but they could move to effectively damage the cachet.

Everything depends on how bad Netflix is and then the book. I wouldn't expect any moves beyond challenges to fact until they know exactly what they're dealing with.

From everything I've read, in his own Charlesy way, Charles loves Harry still, despite everything and cannot be roused to punish him too harshly. I wonder that he could be minded to act severely if the mockmentary or the book attack Camilla, or even Kate, too strongly. I get the impression William feels as strongly about his wife as Charles does about his. They want to keep a line open. I'd bet somebody in the extended family will be tasked with that. They know the statistical odds against Harry's marriage are high. When your marriage is based on grievance and greed, how long can you last when you run out of other people to blame or credibility to even make your case? They know they're going to have to help figure out what to do with him when the marriage ends.

Why is it their job to figure out what to do with Haz? Widely hated in the UK, he seems to like California, so stay there. He can follow his dear love Nacho around, and as long as he has sonething of use to them, the tech bros will comfort him.

R402: because he's useless and kind of stupid and can't regulate his emotions. To some degree, he needs tending. Left on his own in the wilds, he'll just be another endless scandal, seedier and seedier with each passing year. If they can't rehabilitate him into a second marriage and restoration as a working member of the royal family, they can at least pack him off to a game farm in Africa and let him nominally run an animal sanctuary.

It's looking more and more like Harry is one of those people who'll never be of any use to anyone as long as he lives. He's incapable of real work or of earning trust, but firmly believes he deserves trust and the rewards of high-level work, and gets furiously angry when he isn't treated like a person who's valuable and trustworthy. There's nothing the BRF can do with him, he isn't willing to do what the BRF requires of its working members, and but wants more material rewards than are available to even the most dutiful and trustworthy spares.

If he'd gone off to his game preserve of his own free will, when he was young and hopeful, it might have been the making of him, but it's too late now, if he goes to Africa with his heart full of bitterness and resentment all he'll do is keep whining and making scandals. The royal family's only hope is that Meg dumps him and he finds some woman who's willing to give up her life to be his minder and who'll work in the BRF's interests while she does, but today's young women aren't growing up to be Camillas.

Why should "Africa" have to endure Harry's stupidity anyway? Hollywood is the perfect spot for Harry the Celebrity.

Harry can't afford to live a Hollywood life, and Charles shouldn't spend his head-of-state funds on keeping him in celebrity style, that's why.

One should remember that when Diana and Charles split, Diana cleaned Charles out financially. Charles also had to borrow additional money from his mother to cover the rest of the payment to Diana.

Charles had to pay his mother back for that money.

So, it is a fair question as to why Charles should just continuing to pay out money to the son who keeps attacking his family. How likely is it that Harry would ever pay it back? Or even feel that he should be required to pay it back?

Well, he just inherited all that money back and several hundred millions of additional pounds. He's between a rock and a hard place. You can't let the family idiot live in embarrassing circumstances when the rest of you live in luxury, whatever he did. It doesn't look right. And you can probably extract some good behaviour. It will be interesting to see if and how much Harry personality corrects once he's divorced. Part of his shenanigans may be down to Stockholm Syndrome. Who knows? At his worst before marriage he was never as bad as he is now.

R507 doesn't understand what "cash poor" is.

Diana didn't clean Charles out, although she may have cleaned out the bank accounts he admitted to having. But she didn't take his real estate or family money, or the royal jewel vault or his ongoing income from the Duchy of Cornwall.

That bizarre trailer quote, “When the stakes are this high, doesn’t it make sense to hear our story from us?” What exactly are these high stakes? In what way do two middle-aged, minor royals matter? There are no stakes, they are irrelevant. In a way, I have to feel sorry for poor dim Harry. It’s so odd that he doesn’t seem to grasp that he is a prince of no importance. Even his role as “spare” was really only a silly tagline. In an era of modern medicine, antibiotics, etc. the spare was never going to be needed.

R410, I suspect that they may be trying to claim that the Royal Family is evil to its very core, because it plotted against Meghan. Or maybe it’s the press that’s evil, although they may not have thought through the implications of that claim.

My very life was in danger!!!’

So, from what I gather from the trailers, the arc of this series will be: We were SO popular, and SO beloved at the beginning, and then the BRF hated our popularity and so planted false negative stories about us, because of racism, and then, also because of racism, the public has suddenly turned on us, "just like that **snaps fingers**"

If that is indeed what they're going with, it won't work. Everyone interested in this topic watched the entire thing unfold in real time, and knows that the BRF were unrelentingly forgiving, generous and kind while being bashed and defamed for nothing. Only NOW do the BRF seem to be slightly losing patience, and that is likely because of how awfully the pair treated the dying, now dead, grandparents.

The public, by contrast, lost patience with the couple far, far earlier, and have been saying the titles should be stripped for nearly two years now. The public got there well before the family itself did, because of weird antics such as (in no particular order) Meghan's diva Wimbledon appearance, the weirdness around Archie's birth, the constant use of private jets coupled with eco-preaching, the frankly bizarre New York baby shower, their use of public money to spend a relatively enormous amount redoing Frogmore cottage, so on and so forth.

Like R411 - the only way I think of that explains "the stakes are high" is that H&M think they can get the royal family abolished because it's sinister and an evil organization doing harm to wonderful people like Meghan and that black lady who was insulted by Liz's old hag, etc. and how can a country abide having such a "head of state" situation (who's also the head of a racist, evil family that holds at least some official power in the country)

But have they thought this through? If the monarchy is abolished, what will happen to H&M's titles - and their children's titles/HRH's?

Harry's comment about the hierarchy in the royal family is ridiculous beyond belief. Maybe his dimwitted wife thought they could be chosen King and Queen by a poll on E! Not that she wanted to live in the UK, she needs to be in LA so she can get revenge on all the people like Andy Cohen who snubbed her.

It's hilarious that Prince DumDum thinks that he didn't benefit himself from that "hierarchy." Didn't he and the harridan bump his cousin's wedding because that's when the Deceitful Duo wanted to get married?

R416 yep. He had NO issue bumping Eug when the hierarchy suited him.

I think that comment about the stakes being high is just Meghan assuming that her intense obsession with her public standing and reputation is as important to everyone else as it is to her. The "stakes" are personal to her, and she's doing that thing that people like her do and assuming that what's going on in her own head and her particular set of priorities are the same as everyone else's. It's main character syndrome, to put it as nicely as possible.

She's nuts.

And I assume framing this embarrassing and ludicrous situation as "high stakes" fits in with hyping this stupid show - and hoping moronic viewers will buy into the "high drama" (which it ain't but they don't care and want butts on seats)

I agree though that Meghan has NPD and thinks that she's just as important in everybody else's mind (either as friend or foe) as she is in her own imagination.

*Oh I meant to say it's also NETFLIX that wants to hype this garbage to get butts on seats, and more to the point, MONEY, to recoup their losses with these dopes.

I think one could conceivably argue that the "stakes were high" when the Queen's health was being so terribly impacted by the Harkles' hate campaign, and also by Harry's constant phone calls to HM to demand money.

But now that they successfully ended HM's life slightly earlier than it would have ended without the level of heartbreak they caused her, the stakes are no longer remotely high.

Nothing they can do or say now will have that level of direct impact on any single member of the BRF. No one who matters will believe them anyway. The Harkles shot their wad when they hastened their grandparents' deaths. Anything else they do is small in comparison.

I think a lot of women can see through Meghan to see what a cold bitch she is. Somebody like Julia Roberts has talent (she was in some high grossing films) to back it up, Meghan is just a bitch.

Ventriloquist Meghan and her ginger dummy were preaching about "oppression" last night. Charles needs to exclude them from the Coronation so they don't have to endure any further oppression.

MM had on one of the ugliest frocks I have ever seen her in, and that is saying something. She look like a fridge. I am compelled to admit that her face looked beautiful.

She didn't abuse her position to get people to leave their seats at Wimbledon. Nope, racists refused to sit near her. Homeless prostitutes refused to eat her ink stained bananas , because racism. The National Theatre disowned her-racism. Bullied staff- racism. It's fucking tedious . Tell it to your Paki friends Harry.

I didn't care who that shit married, I did care that it cost us a fortune and homeless people were moved on just so they could carriage ride around the block. it wasn't even from A to B.

The Maul is trolling her this morning, running any Megasaurus stories way down the page. Imagine her reaction when she opened the site and was greeted with a lead headline of: Accountant neighbours take bitter seven-year £100,000 parking war to court as they accuse one another of trespassing on to their car spaces.

The BRF should do nothing except completely cut him off from the family. The response to the trailers has been overwhelmingly against Harry and Meghan. Few people remained fooled by them and millions are outraged by their vicious behavior. With social media, people are really destroying the two. The BRF need do nothing more than just get on with what they have been doing so well, especially lately, charity work and highlighting positive things.

It sounds like Netflix is realizing this week that it has been Markled.

I don't hear those 'sounds.' They are just trying to get their money out of it.

R429, I hope so but why do you say that?

Kate looked fabulous last night. I like her sixties hair with the Lotus Flower tiara (often worn by Princess Margaret in the past). And that embroidered red gown by Jenny Packham was gorgeous. Camilla wore the late Queen's sapphire & diamond tiara and necklace. Her hair was drab (again) and she has aged considerably.

So, the Diplomatic Reception and any State Dinners appear to be the only occasions where the female members of the RF bring out the major jewels.

It's great to see Camilla and Catherine wearing tiaras that are less familiar.

R433 - the State Opening of Parliament is another event which usually brings out the tiaras.

Meagain's dress is lovely,just not on her.Kate could have worn it and slayed.I wonder if Meg's screams in rage every time she sees how much better than her when Kate wears anything.

If Harry and Meghan hate the BRF so much, then why don't they voluntarily remove Harry, Archie and Lilibet from the line of succession?

R436 - I believe only the British Parliament can remove people from the Line of Succession.

Harry could RENOUNCE his place in succession (and all of his heirs) but we all know his association with the British Royal Family is ALL he's got going for him so he won't do that. What would he have to whine about if he was no longer royal?

I too loved Kate’s 60s hair. I wish she would do more of that, more height, less length. Personally, I would like to see her go full Jackie O. Bouffants and towering updos with dramatic earrings. Dominant queenly hair!

Camila is looking thinner in the face, isn’t she.

Charles' Revenge - it's done. No need to ask Andrew or Harry to fill in for him.

Harry The Lame Joker.

The old Harry is gone...or maybe he never was.

Camilla did look thinner -- she has lost some weight.

I think the whole episode of Queen Elizabeth's passing and all the ensuing appearances wore Camilla down a bit; she needs more recovery time, I hope she and Charles get a good rest over Christmas.

Charles and Camilla are in the middle of hell with this Harry shit. William and Kate too.

Or am I being silly and frankly, they don't give a damn?

Catherine again looks fabulous. I hope she doesn't go too Housewives with the work. For now, it's subtle and very flattering.

She's looking more confident and queenly, too.

I think the whole Harry & Meghan circus has to be hard on all of them, and Camilla is in an awkward position with Charles probably asking her for 'parenting' advice and she's probably between a rock and a hard place in that respect since on the one hand she's not Harry's mother, yet on the other hand she probably wants to tell Charles to 'drop the boom' on Harry. And Harry knows that Charles is turning to Camilla for advice and re-assurance, which is why Camilla is in the Harkle's cross-hairs (even though the Harkles, at the end of the day, are virtually impotent for all intents and purposes relating to the BRF at this point).

[quote]Harry could RENOUNCE his place in succession (and all of his heirs) but we all know his association with the British Royal Family is ALL he's got going for him so he won't do that. What would he have to whine about if he was no longer royal?

No, he can't, not legally. The law governing ability to renounce is within one year of receiving the peerage or one year of turning 21, if the peerage was inherited before reaching the majority. So the only way to get rid of it is an Act of Parliament.

I guess I should rid myself of frustration by not expecting H & M to get any comeuppance like tRump.

Hilary Rose, who wrote scathing (if fair) summaries of Archegripes, has now written this, before opening night.

It's just fill, though long and unflattering (if fair) in anticipation of tomorrow's diarrheas but it has some marvellous upper cuts:

"n the past year, the Duke of Sussex has surprised us all by mastering a foreign language. It is Californian. Prince Harry has said, out loud, “Imagine you’re a raindrop,” “We need to lift up all of humanity,” and, “We all have greatness within us,” which seems unlikely. He has complained about the damage “our” way of life is having on the world, then hopped on a private jet to a polo match. He has swapped a life of privilege, duty and the royal train, for leisure, polo and private jets, and is paying for the latter by complaining bitterly about the former. At his mansion in Montecito, he has taken time away from tending chickens and rescuing dogs to share his experience of burnout, which he claims is considerable, and to slag off his family. Trailers for his Netflix documentary could not make it clearer that for the Sussexes, with the Queen dead, the gloves are off. Now it looks like there is no going back.

“I had to do everything I could to protect my family,” he says on film. He talks about “the pain and suffering of women marrying into this institution... the feeding frenzy”. We see Meghan looking dejected on a £1,300 Hermès blanket, and Harry playing the guitar. There is footage of them dancing at their wedding, and kissing in the kitchen. Meghan weeps prettily and often, while Harry aims for rugged and stoic, but in touch with his emotions."

“What in God’s name have they done to merit this?” wondered Professor David N Nasaw, who wrote a Pulitzer prize-nominated biography of Joseph Kennedy. “It’s somewhere between sublimely ridiculous and blatantly ludicrous. It’s absurd.”

"The couple denied having spoken to the authors either directly or indirectly. However, it was later revealed in court that Meghan had provided “talking points” via their private secretary, and Harry had discussed with him how important it was that their co-operation was kept secret. Meghan had to apologise to the High Court for the fact that she had “not remembered these exchanges at the time”.

Her podcast won a People's Choice Award so that confirms People's Choice Awards are also for sale.

Let's face it, Meghan will never stop, never go away. If there's one thing we see, and it's really driven home in the Bower book, she is a hustler with huge balls. She never gives up, never lets failure or derision or someone's hurt stop her. Just always moves on to the next thing, and goes big. She takes the LA mantra of "fake it til you make it" to a master level. You have to admire the drive and resourcefulness, if not the agenda.

[Quote]Let's face it, Meghan will never stop, never go away. If there's one thing we see, and it's really driven home in the Bower book, she is a hustler with huge balls. She never gives up, never lets failure or derision or someone's hurt stop her.

No wonder Harry married her and just goes with it now. Even he gave up and gave her what she wanted because resistance is futile.

It's pretty clear Meghan is a sociopath. And I don't mean in a serial killer way but in the way most CEOs and billionaires are sociopaths. Not caring about other people removes a lot of the obstacles to the top that the rest of us face. There's a human chip that's missing that we see as fake and calculating, but you can't blame the scorpion for being a scorpion.

Well, if MM has such balls of steel, why was she driven to contemplating suicide because of the bitches in the palace and the tabloids, and twice shown in tears in the preview?

Boo-hoo! Harden up, girlfriend!

R453 She was driven to contemplating that after seeing the episode of The Crown where Di throws herself down a staircase. Markle has never been suicidal a single second of her life.

R433, I wondered if part of that is out of respect for the late Queen? The Vladimir and the Fringe are so iconically hers... she's barely been dead three months, maybe they're having a brief time out?

I have to say this, my love of Catherine has drastically increased in recent months. I used to think she was just a boring "stepford wife," but the way she clearly doesn't give a fuck about Meghan and just keeps triggering her is hysterical. For example, wearing the emerald choker ones sported by Diana at the Earthshot award (something that is worth more than H&M's home) was such a brilliant Fuck You move and you know it got to Megz because at the gala last night, Megz wore an imitation of one of Diana's rings (apparently it was not the real ring as some of the press initially reported).

R453 - she was never driven to consider suicide - she's just lying.

I agree she's a sociopath - and every sociopath is also a narcissist - and a pathological liar.

If they call the royals racist, I'll just point and laugh at William and Charles.

It seems that Kennedy changed the reason for H and M to win an award. It's allegedly Work with Archwell and not Fighting Racism in the Royal Family. I wonder if it is the subtle beginning of a Royal response. Why would it be eliminated otherwise?

"I wonder if Meg's screams in rage every time she sees how much better than her when Kate wears anything."

Yes, and occasionally she tries to wear something like Kate's faves, in a spirit of competition, like that belted white coat she wore to the jubilee. Kate would have knocked it out of the park, it made Meg's thick waist look even thicker than usual, and Meg lost herself a round in a competition she'd started herself.

"Let's face it, Meghan will never stop, never go away. If there's one thing we see, and it's really driven home in the Bower book, she is a hustler with huge balls"

True, and she can't stop hustling, and blew up the one gig that would have allowed her to stop hustling! No, by leaving the BRF and making enemies of them, she's doomed herself to keep hustling for the rest of her life.

Subtext on W's Instagram?

"Investitures celebrate individuals who make a real difference to their community and society."

I think Meghan looked beautiful it the 2nd tier Kennedy award. She is still a cunt.

I have uploaded the first three episodes. Enjoy.

Episode 1

Episode 2

Episode 3

R440, when I saw that clip I was thinking, what is this fool prattling on about? It wasn't funny and made no fucking sense.

This just told me everything I need to know about Meghan...what a kunt.

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What a horrible human being that woman is in that clip r468. And look at Harry, looking like a brainwashed apprentice showing nothing other than complete compliance to his wife's insulting actions.

How can Meghan say on the documentary that she was unaware of the UK national anthem and had to Google it when she lived and worked in Canada during "Suits"?

I just can't watch those 3 episodes; I absolutely loathe this smarmy, smug, self-exalted woman; and her husband is nothing more than a wet paper towel.

I won't be watching the Netflix series, but from all the commentary I've seen so far seems like a total nothing-burger. Nor does it appear that either mainstream media or social media have been taken by storm except for perfunctory content. Griner and Celine are the top headlines and trends today.

It sounds boring as heck so I'm not watching either. They keep trying to eat out on their shocking break from the BRF, but it seems like they've picked the bones clean at this point.

Wow. Does Meghan really think she is being cute or funny in that clip at R468?

She looks high in that clip.

I was gonna say she's at least running out of control on her own arrogance. That clip is very bad behaviour. Shows her for the nasty little grabber she is.

So ..... from the NYT to Variety the show is being absolutely panned in the American Media. I would suggestion the "love affair" with H&M is over.

They cannot keep their fucking stories straight. She's throwing around accusations of stiff and formal ("'I started to understand that the formality on the outside carried through on the inside, that there is a forward facing way of being and then you close the door and think "OK we can relax now". But that formality carries over on both sides and that was surprising to me.' ) and then says: 'It's just like a big family like I always wanted,' she added. 'And there was just this constant movement and energy and fun.' (Describing her first Christmas a Sandringham.

Is anything to be believed?

I find Dan Wootton insufferable at times, much like his pal and colleague Piers Morgan. But damn if he isn't spot on in his assessment of Meg's treatment of her father, and her continued surgical removal of him from her life in the series....I wouldn't agree with calling Tom Markle "delightful", but the rest is truth:

"But most painful is Netflix being used to justify Meghan cutting all contact with her delightful father Thomas, despite admitting earlier in the show: 'I was a daddy's girl my whole life and I was with him a lot.'

It's left for Harry to callously declare: 'She had a father before this. And now she doesn't have a father. And I shouldered that, because if Meg wasn't with me, then her dad would still be her dad.'

Excuse me Harry, Meghan very much does still have a father – a father who lives a few hours from you in a humble Mexican village where he continues to recover from a stroke that nearly ended his life earlier this year.

The crime which has got him forever banished for good? Setting up a few paparazzi pictures, something Meghan has seemingly done herself in the past.

My conclusion from this unpalatable and ugly affair is that entering the world of Harry and Meghan is like joining some sort of woke cult."

I'm a hugger. I've always been a hugger.

So's a boa constrictor.

What drugs are they on? Harry constantly repeating/inferring he is Diana's son and that Markle is like Diana is beyond sick. Diana had some nous, she may not have been smart but she had genuine empathy for those who were in unfortunate circumstances. She was also mindful of her older son's future. These two are just self-centred grifters.

[quote]'She had a father before this. And now she doesn't have a father. And I shouldered that, because if Meg wasn't with me, then her dad would still be her dad.'

What does this even mean?

The threads on the Netflix series are all deleted.

She's not a hugger she's a clawer. A clawing clawer who claws.

Her clawing at that highly unattended UN engagement a couple of months ago was downright creepy.

For those who don't have the time to watch, here is a synopsis:

R484 - here, you mean?

If you Google “Harry &”, expecting to find the Netflix series, the autocomplete is still “Harry & David”.

The reviews out so far - Guardian, Deadline, Variety - are all scathing.

How can you stretch 6 episodes out of the lives of two people who are only 40 and really haven't ever done anything other than be famous?

From the snippets Ive unwillingly seen Harry is off his meds big time,and she is playing innocent ingenue to the hilt.

With regard to Kate and William's "formality," it is true that an American might find upper-class Brits very reserved and even unfriendly. I've been with a few and felt like a puppy dog. But when you're meeting your potential inlaws for the first time, and they happen to be the future King and Queen, what the hell do you expect? You're looking to marry in after a whirlwind romance, and they don't know you. And seriously, put on a nice outfit. Casual is fine, but ripped jeans? Show some respect.

I dunno. Meghan and Harry are huge drama queens, caught up in their dopey "love story." But they are also stirring some serious shit.

r464 r465 r466 you rock! Now I can be nosy without giving Netflix ratings.

Harry: "I dont really remember my mother. OMG, Meghan is so much like my mother."

I watched a little bit and it is so inane. How embarrassing that a "Prince" comes off no better than a Kardashian.

r488 I would rather sit through a tv host selling their cookies than this shit show.

Yup, poor timing AGAIN for the Duke and Dukette

What happened to 'never complain, never explain'? All these two are doing is making excuses, whining, and simpering on this Netflix show.

There never was any r478. Not in the U.S.

Meghan’s snarky comment that William and Kate are as “formal in private as they are in public” is funny in its cluelessness. No, Meghan, they aren’t, but they DIDN’T TRUST YOU, so you only got the public version.

R500, she really is clueless! They, especially William, had her number from the get go. It infuriates her that they called her on it in one way or another. Plus, there are loads of clips of them being very friendly, open, and truly empathetic and sincere with strangers. Meanwhile, there are loads of clips of Meghan being fucking phony as hell.

We M&H thread dwellers know they're delusional. I would think that Harry actually saying on camera "She had a father before this. And now she doesn't have a father. And I shouldered that, because if Meg wasn't with me, then her dad would still be her dad" would convince the general public, too. Even if you believe in the concept of "cut toxic people from your lives," it doesn't go with their attempt to brand themselves as kindness and empathy merchants.

I hope the Palace briefs on the "beloved niece" having to be uninvited--I can't imagine they really demanded it. It must have been in their interest to have more than one family member from her side present.

And she still hasn't found what she's looking for...

Imagine being William, going through all that with Diana as a young boy, then this woman comes into your brother's life that you loathe and attacks you and your family, all while co-opting your dead mother's identity.

"I hate William. Also, I'm just like his dead mother and look at how he's treated me. He needs to be destroyed. As is the legacy of Diana."

It must be a living nightmare for that guy. It's so insidiously cruel and psychotic.

"If the Duke and Duchess of Sussex hate this country so much, they should either be giving up their titles or we should be helping them to do that"

Tory MP Bob Seely reveals he is preparing a bill that would see Meghan Markle and Prince Harry stripped of their royal titles.

Projection.

Meghan is incapable of true, loving relationships - and this will prove out not only with Harry but sadly, with her children, as it's done with her father and former fiances, husbands, boyfriends, etc.

She's severely personality disordered and doesn't have any empathy. She's a machine, only capable of seeking gratification for HERSELF. And sadly, she doesn't even clearly understand who she is or what she wants! So it's impossible or her to ever find contentment.

I'd feel sorry for her - if she hadn't left so many victims in her wake - and there will be so many more. AND she thinks everybody else is exactly like she is because not having any herself, she can't imagine anyone else having empathy.

As a fellow NPDer might say - "sad."

So apprently she's made a mockery of having to curtsey to the Queen.

Ok, only someone with anti-monarchist sentiments would do that - or am I crazy?

This bitch wants to BE in the monarchy (I guess you could say she tangentially IS in it -- she sure keeps that fucking title!) IF she really thought it was absurd -- then she would have been telling Harry all along that she wanted him to give up all the Dukedoms etc that he could possibly give up -- and she would refuse the title for herself or her kids (I think that part would have been easy - and only the Parliament could remove him "Prince" title - but so what? He's not required to use it.

So she's demonstrated that she's a complete hypocrite and fraud. What does she have to do to have the titles stripped, for god's sake?

Harry looks like a simp.

All the soft lighting full makeup and hair interviews, this is more like a special on LMN than a documentary.

R500/R501 - so true, unfortunately.

r507, King Charles as the monarch can remove the Prince/Princess title, at anytime. He doesn't need Parliament's permission, it's in his power as the "Fount of all Honour" in the UK. The standing monarch can grant/remove Princely titles, and the HRH honorific, at their leisure. It's the Sussex dukedom that is a bit trickier.

R507, Harry looked uncomfortable when Meghan was mocking her having had to bow to the Queen.

The documentary completely ignores the fact that Meghan was previously married.

When her mother and friends express glee that Meghan found "the one" in Harry, what does that say about the first husband?

>>>what does that say about the first husband?

Or the second one!!!!

When did it become "progressive" to mock cultures and customs that are different from yours?

The vocal fry on so many of these interviewees is horrid.

True to form, the Harkles overplayed their hand, went for the BRF's jugular, and made themselves look like cutthroat villains instead of victims.

I suspect that Netflix realised late in the day that its best chance of getting the most money back was to let the Harkles go full steam ahead and expose themselves for the incredibly spiteful, self-deludung, amoral, lying shites they are.

The exaggerated curtsey was a particularly ugly mistake, The Queen is barely cold, Meghan was just shown curtsying in front of her coffin. Most of us have seen footage of royal ladies curtsying, so everyone knows it's nothing like that. It was unbelievably vicious.

I suspect that the Harkles have known since the Jubly that it's all over, let alone the funeral. That they could make a debacle out of THAT tells you something.

I think they know the Netflix show and his memoir are their last real shots and the Palace may finally do the necessary, so they may as well shoot their wads.

But as always, they've made themselves look horrible, and made the King's case for him.

The pot shots at Kate are nauseating. Harry knows full well his brother will never forgive that and that sooner or later, a reckoning will be at hand.

I wonder if they even care about the titles as they've milked them as far as they can and are now entrenched as American celebrities.

I believe the Palace will wait for the memoir to respond. It's all hugely entertaining but on another level very disturbing and sad.

Have they had to do any press for this? If Netflix isn’t making them, and no show is inviting them, they really are done, even in the US. Harry, go home.

Sooooo, if someone asks curious questions about a minority's culture they are labelled a racist and thrown from the tower. But if a "minority" (for the last 6 years only) mocks someone else's culture, it's supposed to be cute and funny? Got it.

R506, she really has the Dark Triad, and obviously so. It amazes me how so many in the media continue to enable her, while none refuse to call her obvious behaviors to her face. Ophressed, I'm looking at you.

It's a litte much to think you know William is in a "living nightmare" because of these clowns. More like buzzing gnats.

That curtsey will boomerang for the rest of her days. I bet that was one of the things they wanted pulled.

I have to laugh that a Tory MP is proposing an amendment to the 1917 Deprivation of Titles Act (which is a good idea if you were going to do it because it refers the decision to the Privy Council, keeping the sovereign out of it in any direct sense.)

But plainly this MP needs a schooling by our resident Removal of Titles Bill troll, the beloved but doomed Labour sponsored, backbench, private member's Removal of Titles Bill working currently its way through Parliament and on 32,405,988,379,054,789th reading.

She doesn't know God Save the Queen but she knows Medieval Times. Pretty much sums her up.

C'mon Charles, take the titles away and let America toss them on to the trash-heap of American Celebutards.

"I can't believe they didn't hug me 2 minutes after we met!"

I didn't rush to hug my eventual sister in law either. We got along great later, but my brother's new girlfriend (at the time) WAS A STRANGER

Hilarious to think that Meghan thought that the Royal decorum of civility, manners, and noblesse obilgé was all just an act to be abandoned once the cameras are shut off. It's as if she thought is was one big acting gig like being on-set. What a shallow and deluded and silly little girl she is.

Charles is a Scorpio. I'm surprised he hasn't retaliated yet.

William is a Cancer and he.will.not.forgive.or.forget. Of this I am certain.

From The Guardian: "But Downing Street said it did not back the move. Asked about parliamentary efforts to strip the pair of their titles, Rishi Sunak’s deputy spokesperson said: “I believe you are referring to a private member’s bill, which we do not support.” Anything relating to the Netflix series was “matters for the palace”, he added."

So that's a no on a government side backbench bill while means the Labour Removal of Titles bill is dead too. They're keeping the titles.

William is known to be fiercely protective of his wife and his children (and justifiably so) and considerate of his late grandmother's reign and legacy.

His revenge will be just delicious.

When Prince Harass-y says men within the Royal Family do not marry for love, is he insinuating he didn't marry his obnoxious wife for love, too?

R529 - no, Harry insulted the males in the family, He said that the men in the family tend to marry women "who fit the mould" (whatever the fuck that means but I think it just shows what an asshole he is).

Camilla, Sophie and Kate are strong enough to survive everything and anything that has been thrown at them and can actually thrive under such a harsh environment. Meanwhile, his wife, who probably got the best press of the lot, couldn't cut it and was out of there in a couple of years). Harry is implying that only HE married for love. WTF?

Is it just me or does this finally feel like the turning point with Sussexes. The reviews have been terrible, it took over 30 hours for the series to break the top 10 on Netflix (apparently the first episode got 2.4 million views by the third episode only 500K), the Rotten Tomatoes audience score is 15%, even their hard line defenders are having a hard time with this show. I'm sure next week's episodes will have more bombs but I feel like they're done, except for their hardcore fans, no one cares anymore.

R530, I was being sarcastic, sorry that I didn't word my message sarcastically enough.

Harry is an asshole. So is his wife.

[quote] I'm sure next week's episodes will have more bombs but I feel like they're done, except for their hardcore fans, no one cares anymore.

Oh, rest assured William will care . . .

R531, wait and see what comes out next week. Insinuation, victimhood, racism claims, miscarriages and suicide stories have garnered them positive press before, and may again.

I'm not watching this Whinge Fest but I've seen clips and I can't help but think that Netflix photographed Meghan's horrible side. Her nose closeup is really wonky with its upward slant and is quite unattractive. Did they do it on purpose or did Miss Delusional thinks her face is perfect and it would be flattering to be pictured on that side?

R535 must've blissfully forgotten about her 'sense of style', LOL.

Former Royal Correspondent Jennie Bond says what most of us have gathered, William was right that Meghan was not suited for royal life.

Bond was very generous. She treats Megantoinette as if she intended to enter the royal family and remain one of the team.

Meghan claimed she never wore bright colors while in the UK.......

She is such a fucking idiot about the junk she says. Even Harry says his mother told him once you can get into trouble, just don't get caught.

Is she perhaps stupider than him?

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I'm not sure it's anything to boast about, but I'm not from California.

r538 Jennie Bond is a really nice and lovely person.It is definitely her personality to say something gently and diplomatically without being acidic.

After watching the episodes, I'd like to know what kind of sane person calls their best friend during the moment they are being proposed to by the love of their life? Not only that, why does the best friend record the entire phone call? Do you record phone conversations when your best friend calls you with their personal good news? If you are soooo close to the mother who raised you as single mother, and if you just had call someone, why do you not call your mother instead of a friend of two years? Why is the recording held on to by your best friend, even though you had such a public falling out with her due to her being a racist?Why is the recording from one the most intimate moments of your life in a Netflix show? They both planned this con from almost the get go. It has also changed my opinion of Doria. She would have been better served not being interviewed for this. She comes across as a very detached, and calculating person. I wonder how much scheming she has been privy to or helped on behind the scenes. I'm still wishing for the day Jessica finally spills the beans.

Meghan reminds me of my 18 year old niece talking about her boyfriend, but even her boyfriend who is young enough to be H&M's son has enough brains to be embarrassed unlike dimbulb Harry who is her lapdog. Meghan has been married and around the block a few times, this whole innocent act is so fake. If Harry is stupid to fall for it he deserves everything he gets when it turns to shit.

Sorry to be a pest because I refuse to watch the show myself - but is it her best friend that Meghan had a falling out with due to her being a racist? This was her best friend who is now being interviewed and on Meghan's side?

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[quote] Not only that, why does the best friend record the entire phone call?

There is speculation that Harry might not have been aware of the filmed proposal. Imagine what else Meghan might have been filming and screen shooting since the start of their relationship to used at a future date? Read the article above in the DM by Maureen Callahan - it's really good.

I second that Callahan's article is really good.

Meghan probably dreamed about having the cover of People and the inside spread with pictures of her posing with her baby. I think if it weren't for Harry's paranonia (which she stokes) she would be merching those kids out as much as she could.

oh dearing myself at r550 - paranoia

Know that we’ve moved on to The Harkles and their Reality Show and Fauxmanitarian Awards, but here is a link with further information on Marlene Headley aka Ngozi Fulani (remember her?)

The woman and her family come off as complete frauds and race baiters.

Callahan...ouch:

Back to Meghan reenacting her introduction to the queen, performing a theatrically deep curtsy and wiggling her eyebrows mockingly as she laughs and says, in a sickly-sweet fake voice, 'Pleasure to meet you, your majesty.'

Harry looks nothing short of pained.

He should consider this a preview of the rest of his life until the woman he's left everything and everyone for will surely train her venom, her victimhood, and her penchant for publicly tearing down close family members squarely on him.

There's no doubt it will happen or that Harry will deserve it. The Meghan Markle we see here — and she really believes she's showing us her best self — will discard anyone once they no longer make her look good, feed her narcissistic supply, or are of any practical use.

How is it no one advised them to edit that out? MM obviously thinks she is being charming and innocent, but surely someone could have told her that her mockery of this tradition in this segment would be deeply offensive to the British public.

I never thought she could be redeemed, now I know it. The Queen was beloved. Bad call. The family will never forgive her.

Meghan doesn't care. Her intended audience is young Americans.

R552 a whole famly of grifters

Oh, that's got staying power. Another triumph in strategy.

Do young Americans really care about her, though? Why? Surely they see through all the BS awards and hypocrisy. Preaching compassion while shunning each of their families must be a red flag to most people.

I think, MAYBE, at best, there might be 5% of the population that might be modestly interested in their shenanagans. Maybe. Probably more like 2%.

Regarding Pss Michael's blackamoor brooch, why would it have to be seen as racist? Could it not be a way of identifying with something or showing a liking for it or even honouring it? What if a black person wore it? If I see someone wearing a brooch in the form of a cat, I can safely assume they love cats.

556 here, Young Americans may or may not care. That's the age group she's aiming for IMO.

Yeah, because she's a "young" mother.

R561 Wasn't it a depiction of Balthazar, one of the Three Kings, worn for a Christmas party?

What on earth was she thinking, showing herself without makeup and hair? She seriously thinks she is some natural beauty?

"Harry insulted the males in the family, He said that the men in the family tend to marry women "who fit the mould" "

WTF? Since when does Camilla "fit the mold"??? She was firmly in the "You don't marry them" camp from the time she married Parker-Bowles, to the time she married Charles. Charles marrying his divorced, commoner mistress was an absolute defiance of protocol and tradition, and much more than Sparry-boy marrying a divorced American. It doesn't really matter who spares marry.

Harry is such an idiot.

R566, it was a hit at Catherine, who Harry used to be very close to, the woman Meghan implicitly attacked in a podcast as a “Stepford wife.” Meghan hates Catherine.

KLAN GRANNY THREAD

r563, What in the hell is going on there? I am thinking she is recreating Diana's wedding dress fittings or some shit. My god she really is crazed, and she is promoting the nasty rude American trope. So you go Meg and insult the UK, but you make yourself look so stupid and rude as you claim all your shitty behaviour is because "American".

For me, this was the most cringe part of episode one.

R564, IIRC there are rumors they wanted to redo a couple of scenes and entirely remove other scenes when the Queen died. Maybe the curtsy crap scene was among them, but Netflix said no, knowing that this particular scene would create a lot of attention which in turn Netflix would benefit from, at least financially.

The Netflix thing was very much like The Cut interview; they gave MM a lot of rope and she duly hung herself out to dry. Although clearly deluded about a lot of things, Harry seemed likeable and sincere

Wow even CNN is trashing them now! For a little history lesson, back when the Oprah interview happen, CNN removed a report that called many of H&M's statements into question. If they've lost CNN they've basically lost the American Media.

Part 16 is ready when this fills up.

R573, wait until next week. When the racist accusations and suicide stuff is rolled out again, the US media will probably be back onside.

Ouch.

Mis-named IMHO, R576, as Harry is hardly low-alcohol these days!

Oh how very clever and hilarious and too adorable for words Megs really thinks she is !

The CNN article is very well-focused on how their issue is they want to be super famous but they don't want anybody saying anything bad about them. They ARE Donald Trump.

R573, the funny (and rather interesting) thing about that retracted report was that it had been created by a CNN journo (can't remember his name atm).

After the hideous half-decade we've all had, nobody wants to hear entitled morons whine about their lives. It's amazing the Sussexes don't see that.

R580 CNN retracted that review? That's crazy.

Has the doc shown any footage or photos of their "real" wedding in the garden with the archbishop three days before the extravaganza she insisted on with full blushing bride veil and gown with a price tag to rival that of the heir William's wedding?

Deranged Rachel suffers from the same mental illness demented Hillary not Hilaria Baldwin suffers from. Delusional Rachel keeps repeating the letter to Proctor & Gamble story despite it being disproven. She also keeps saying she knew nothing of the Royals when there is photographic proof and interviews of her with magazines of Kate on the cover. Hillary keeps going with the Spanish story despite it being disproven. Just to give a couple of examples. They both shameless and damaged beyond repair.

R583, I was unaware the P&G story was disproven. She did not write the letter?

How does Netflix profit from this? Nobody is going to subscribe (and stay subscribed) to Netflix just to see six episodes of the Harkle's horseshit.

They lost more than a million subscribers so far this year. They're laying people off, raising prices, cutting costs and introducing advertising.

This not the kind of content that'll bring 'em back.

Publicity, R585. Bragging rights (although in this case turns out there's nothing to brag about. God only knows what Netflix was promised but as noted upthread, back in the early days they could do no wrong.) It's like when a publishing house pays a multi-million dollar royalty for a biography... they know they won't make it back but they earn the halo. But I would guess the way it's turning out isn't what anyone hoped for.

The photos DM has up of her dancing at their wedding reception reminded me of the DL "Dangling Tendrils" threads. Those tendrils in her face look sloppy and awful. Does her hairstylist not believe in product or a bit of hairspray?

r570 - What I find spectacularly off-putting about that photo/screen cap is that Archie's beloved and mythic grandmother is in full Royal Princess get up with the Cambridge Lovers Knot tiara now worn by Catherine. Why not a candid shot of the loving grandmother in mufti holding Harry at the same age (even with a picture with William obviously cropped out)? The stuffy royals with their tiaras, formality and reserve!

And yet, of course, she would never use an informal photo when her primary objective of the moment is to inculcate their children to believe in their "birthright" Royal privilege they were so cruelly denied by not receiving titles or Pops being turning down Harry's requests for money with no service to UK citizens. And the Lovers Knot tiara? It would not surprise me one bit if she tells the children she, not the PoW, deserves to wear it because H & M's love is real and true. Another cruel denial to the Sussexes which she will not let her children forget.

Having it both ways is the name of the game. For most people it would be an exhausting undertaking, but not for a narcissist. They are energized by the negativity and loathing - it is fuel to them and they manufacture an endless supply.

They're not celebrities here they are laughingstocks.

Mr. Google says Netflix is on the upswing, with year ending September up 10%. They were lazy and believed Harry's promises of royal access almost 3 years ago, and have paid dearly in ongoing painful aggravation from these clowns.

Yes! R587. That dress also doesn't look that great on her in these candid shots either. As usual, it's meant for a much taller woman.

r573 Harkle sugar Don Lemon won't be happy.

There’s a scene at the beginning of the second episode where they are in the back seat of a car pulling out of a parking lot and they both have fake panic attacks about being pursued by paparazzi. Of course, this is happening in NYC, it’s impossible to have a car chase here, and I’ve never seen paparazzi. They’re just sitting there pretending to freak out. Someone on a scooter briefly appears in the back window, but he’s clearly a delivery man, not a photographer.

All of this, btw, is intercut with images of Diana in a car actually being pursued by photographers, and then of people laying flowers for her at Buckingham Palace after her death.

It’s laughable and sick at the same time.

I saw a poll about people who are interested in the latest generation of Royals and it is Late Gen X to Baby Boomers. I know Meghan and Harry are trying to appeal to the younger crowd but that is not their audience.

Too many sugars over at Pajiba and Primetimer forums.

Didn’t Megsie actually open a car window to wave at her peasants in some procession? Such courage! Anyone could have popped her off then and there!

Actually, R593, I bet Harry is genuinely paranoid about being followed by paps, given his history, and throws shitfits whenever a car goes in the same direction as his for more than half a block.

Betcha Meghan learned to play up to his fears REALLY fast...

R596, they were picked up the airport in a car with darkened windows, and driven to Windsor Castle I think - for the Jubbly? Meghan rolled the damn window down and someone got a photo. I think that's how it happened - though maybe there were other instances.

I still wonder what went on in that car that took both William/Kate and Harry/Meghan to the walkabout, looking at the floral tributes to the Queen, the one where Kate no longer put up a front of trying to be nice to M. And I can't remember if it was confirmed that Meghan was going to do her own solo walkabout and Charles quickly intervened - or just Meg & the bellend - or if it was always planned to be the four of them.

Meghan probably planned a solo walkabout so she could perform her "grief" over her beloved grandmother-in-law, (the one she just ridiculed on her Netflix series--the same one whose nickname she stole), and the BRF said fuck NO. They hustled the Cambridges AND several handlers out there so that Meghan would be on a relatively short leash. It worked a treat, which probably added to her continued rage over not being able to use the BRF's fame and traditions for her own selfish purposes.

I thought each couple arrived in separate Land Rovers? And then Kate emerged from her vehicle and walked right past Meghan and didn't acknowledge her. And Harry was in the wrong position at the other end of the line from Meghan, and poor Meghan was acting all akimbo and lost until she glared at Harry and he scooted to her side, I expect what we didn't see were the massive eye-rolls from Kate and William.