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"He’s Never Seen a Vagina! Never Seen a Naked Woman!" MSNBC Uproariously Mocks Lindsey Graham’s Sexuality

"Allies" to our "community."

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by Anonymousreply 203September 30, 2022 11:29 AM

Nothing says community like blackmail and public humiliation!

by Anonymousreply 1September 25, 2022 11:33 AM

Also, all of the people in this video are very accepting of homosexuality and think gay love is so beautiful. That's why they're acting this way.

by Anonymousreply 2September 25, 2022 11:35 AM

Closeted homos who actively work against our rights, and who also think they can take away the reproductive choices of women deserve all the mockery coming their way.

by Anonymousreply 3September 25, 2022 12:08 PM

R3 So use men's sexuality to blackmail them into supporting whatever political positions suit you.

by Anonymousreply 4September 25, 2022 12:10 PM

Some so-called allies take their cues from us on this without understanding, among other things, that our club membership gives us exclusive access to a higher tier of perks than theirs. (And even then, on social media, gay people call each other out on Graham taunting regularly.)

by Anonymousreply 5September 25, 2022 12:15 PM

R3 Yes, If it Miss Lindsey's LACK of sexuality, yes we are allowed to mock that POS unmercifully forever

by Anonymousreply 6September 25, 2022 12:16 PM

I think some so-called allies are closet homophobes who tolerate gays because we can be useful for them sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 7September 25, 2022 12:16 PM

Oh they’re not allies, OP. The hard left are not allies to the gay community at all.

by Anonymousreply 8September 25, 2022 12:21 PM

The problem is, when you mock Lindsey for his supposed homosexuality, you are mocking all other gay people as well. If the punchline is “he is gay”, then you are punching a lot of other gay men. You can’t say “well not YOU because you are one of the good ones”.

by Anonymousreply 9September 25, 2022 12:28 PM

R9 Exactly. Unfortunately, the truth is likely that that's an accurate representation of how a lot of liberals sincerely feel.

by Anonymousreply 10September 25, 2022 12:32 PM

I'm gay, and I don't feel mocked.

I have no relation to Miss Lindsey. Mock him all you want.

That retard deserves it all for many reasons--right now, for trying to further ban women's healthcare.

Throw him to the wolves.

by Anonymousreply 11September 25, 2022 12:33 PM

[quote]I have no relation to Miss Lindsey.

You do.

[quote]That retard

The white progressive gay male’s favorite word.

by Anonymousreply 12September 25, 2022 12:35 PM

R11, but how does the argument they are putting forth make sense? They are saying that Lindsey Graham has less of a right to be anti-abortion than Mitt Romney because of his perceived sexuality.

Do you think if Caitlyn Jenner held political office and was anti-abortion that the media would attack that position based on Jenner not actually being a woman?

I agree with R8, R9, R10 and R12.

by Anonymousreply 13September 25, 2022 12:42 PM

Imagine the MSNBC meltdown if a Fox panel had made exactly these sorts of comments about Andrew Gillum before he got busted.

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by Anonymousreply 14September 25, 2022 12:43 PM

R9

I'm a straight woman. Several times on Twitter I've asked people to mock Graham for his hypocrisy and politics, not for his presumed sexuality. But last week a Twitter "friend" I've had for years and who I think may be gay said that Graham deserved it. I replied with the point someone else made here about membership in the group having its privileges. I personally don't feel comfortable making Graham's supposed gayness a target for the reason you mentioned.

by Anonymousreply 15September 25, 2022 12:44 PM

[quote]The problem is, when you mock Lindsey for his supposed homosexuality, you are mocking all other gay people as well. If the punchline is “he is gay”, then you are punching a lot of other gay men. You can’t say “well not YOU because you are one of the good ones”.

The problem is, when you mock a man for his supposed small dick, you are mocking all other less well-endowed men as well. If the punchline is “he has a tiny micro peen", then you are punching a lot of other not-so-well-hung men. You can’t say “well not YOU because you are one of the good ones”.

by Anonymousreply 16September 25, 2022 12:46 PM

No, we’re only mocking Lindsay because I’m not proposing an anti-abortion law.

by Anonymousreply 17September 25, 2022 12:48 PM

We’re mocking him for his hypocrisy, not that he’s gay. No other gay politician is mocked this way unless they are hypocrites—like cock gobbler

by Anonymousreply 18September 25, 2022 12:50 PM

I hate Graham wit the heat of a thousand suns.

However, as a proud out Gay man for many years I hate people who out others, even more.

NO ONE has the right to out anyone for any self justified reason.

by Anonymousreply 19September 25, 2022 12:50 PM

R14

Was Gillum suspected of being gay before the hotel room incident? Whether or not, I don't see the two cases as comparable. That was a humiliating, career-ending incident for him, but it was personal. Maybe he was hypocritical as he was not an entirely family man but we don't know what arrangement, if any, he had with his wife. Graham, by contrast, is pushing legislation to end abortion rights for millions of women.

by Anonymousreply 20September 25, 2022 12:50 PM

This is an ongoing... let's say logical flaw... with political progressives that keeps happening. The reasoning is that since they support a set of policies which are deemed beneficial to the gay community:

1. All gay people are obligated to support all political positions that these people support, or be punished with homophobic mockery.

2. They are by definition not homophobic, even if they see homosexuality as inferior or engage in social ostracization or marginalization of gays and lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 21September 25, 2022 12:50 PM

R20 Yes, there were rumors everywhere including on DL. It was the only thing I knew about him before that blew up.

by Anonymousreply 22September 25, 2022 12:52 PM

R18 what makes him more hypocritical on this issue than straight men, women and transgenders who are anti-abortion?

by Anonymousreply 23September 25, 2022 12:54 PM

The hard left would never “his vagina isn’t even real” about Caitlin Jenner, R23.

by Anonymousreply 24September 25, 2022 12:57 PM

*say

by Anonymousreply 25September 25, 2022 12:57 PM

R18

All the "Miss G" jokes? Putting him in a dress in memes? The deep fakes of him as a woman? He's being mocked BECAUSE he's gay, not just his hypocrisy. His presumed sexuality is being weaponized against him. As I said, I do think it's different when gay men mock him; they have that prerogative. With others, it makes me uncomfortable how quickly they reach for the gay jokes. I don't like it for what it is on its face, but as a woman, I also don't like it because a good deal of gay-bashing is based on misogyny. It's always the so-called "feminine" traits of certain gay men that are mocked. There's an underlying contempt for women as well as gay men.

by Anonymousreply 26September 25, 2022 12:58 PM

Why is Judy Gold even on this show? If I want to watch a comedy show, I will. Trust it will not be one of Judy Gold’s shows. The other panelists got valid points across without implying Graham is gay and not in a loud and obnoxious way.

I still hold CNN and MSNBC partially responsible for Trump’s election by treating him as an affable buffoon, who could not be taken seriously. News shows have a standard to uphold. I turned to CNN the other day and thought that that I mistakenly dialed up Fox. The panelists were hooting and hollering and loudly talking over each other.

The direction CNN and MSNBC has taken over recent years is helping to bring about change, but change that has negatively this country.

by Anonymousreply 27September 25, 2022 1:01 PM

R27

[quote]I still hold CNN and MSNBC partially responsible for Trump’s election by treating him as an affable buffoon, who could not be taken seriously. News shows have a standard to uphold.

I used to watch Morning Joe religiously. Then Trump started running. I remember a show when Joe and Mika and their guests were talking about Trump and only one guest -- I think he works at Politico now -- said, why are you treating him like a serious candidate? He's a clown. They laughed. Then Trump started calling into the show and J & M were only too happy to let him spout. Fast-forward to the day after the 2016 election. Most viewers are in shock, they're saying give him a chance, he may not be so bad. I've barely watched MJ since.

by Anonymousreply 28September 25, 2022 1:09 PM

Stephanie Ruhle is a mean girl. Lindsey Graham is a monster. Team neither.

by Anonymousreply 29September 25, 2022 1:12 PM

Stephanie Ruhle is also a Republican.

by Anonymousreply 30September 25, 2022 1:14 PM

I don’t have a single problem with that old faggot being called an old closeted faggot.

by Anonymousreply 31September 25, 2022 1:15 PM

[quote] Their guests were talking about Trump and only one guest -- I think he works at Politico now -- said, why are you treating him like a serious candidate?

It cannot be repeated enough. They were so 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 by both the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Trump and other extremists should be "elevated" to "leaders of the pack" and media outlets should be told to "take them seriously."

Build up Trump as the front runner and guarantee Hillary an easy win.

The media such as Morning Joe only turned on Trump when it had become obvious the manipulation had backfired.

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by Anonymousreply 32September 25, 2022 1:16 PM
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by Anonymousreply 33September 25, 2022 1:17 PM

R32 it's really not talked about enough about how that election marked the beginning of the end for mainstream media. Their usual ability to manipulate outcomes utterly failed them.

by Anonymousreply 34September 25, 2022 1:20 PM

R26 He is mocked for being gay and for being closeted and because he is a gay man trying to control all the pussy in America. It's not attack on you. You needn't be offended on our behalf.

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by Anonymousreply 35September 25, 2022 1:33 PM

R14 This is an absurd comparison, but let's make this about race anyway.

by Anonymousreply 36September 25, 2022 1:38 PM

R35, yet, no one attacks Caitlyn for being a man in a dress who goes on Fox News to argue that men should be allowed on female professional golf teams.

by Anonymousreply 37September 25, 2022 1:39 PM

If the shoe fits wear it baby. And if it feels good put it on. And if it’s not’s not right then just maybe it’s better just to leave it alone.

by Anonymousreply 38September 25, 2022 1:43 PM

[quote][R35], yet, no one attacks Caitlyn for being a man in a dress who goes on Fox News to argue that men should be allowed on female professional golf teams.

Because transgenderism, the hard left’s oracle, is the current “solution” to homosexuality.

by Anonymousreply 39September 25, 2022 1:46 PM

Judy Gold, who made the vagina comment is, as everybody knows, a lesbian comic and a fierce and profanely funny advocate for lgbtq rights. If by "hard left" you mean someone who voted for Obama and Hilary, you need to educate yourself. She's a liberal. She is no radical. Lindsey Graham deserves all the ridicule and more. No one is more dangerous to our interests than a self-hating homosexual with political power. Wake up.

by Anonymousreply 40September 25, 2022 1:47 PM

R32

Uh, no.

by Anonymousreply 41September 25, 2022 1:47 PM

R37 They wouldn't need to since he doesn't do that. When he was running for governor in California he was canceled by gay Twitter because he publicly opposed trans women competing in women's sports.

by Anonymousreply 42September 25, 2022 1:52 PM

I've seen a lot of this on DT too, making fun of the gay Republicans specifically for being gay because, well, they're bad people. But the fact that you still think the gay part is something to mock (even if the person is bad or you're trying to just highlight their hypocrisy or whatever) only perpetuates the fact that gayness is a flaw that can be mocked. You're worse than your run of the mill homophobe because at least they're consistent, you're a hypocritical homophobe who uses himophobia when it suits you.

by Anonymousreply 43September 25, 2022 1:53 PM

[quote]Judy Gold, who made the vagina comment is, as everybody knows, a lesbian comic and a fierce and profanely funny advocate for lgbtq rights.

That it was Gold is germane to the conversation. My fault for not reading the article and assuming OP's "allies" categorization meant the participants were entirely straight.

by Anonymousreply 44September 25, 2022 1:56 PM

Dictators are always painted as “gay” by the left, Putin, Trump, Bolsonaro.

by Anonymousreply 45September 25, 2022 1:57 PM
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by Anonymousreply 46September 25, 2022 2:05 PM

You're wrong, R42. Caitlyn does support men playing on pro-female golf teams. Caitlyn even forced his way into the female locker room and onto the female golf team at his private country club:

Caitlyn Jenner gives long, detailed support for trans golfer Hailey Davidson, on Fox News

Jenner defended the transgender golfer aiming for a spot on the LPGA Tour, saying golf is ‘different’ from other sports.

Yeah, it's "different" because Caitlyn likes golf and he wants to play against women.

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by Anonymousreply 47September 25, 2022 2:05 PM

In my opinion pointing out hypocrisy and lies is not blackmail.

Lindsey, Caitlyn and those like them need to be called out. They are actively undermining our community and those of our allies.

by Anonymousreply 48September 25, 2022 2:09 PM

R43 Ultimately it's blackmail. Obey or you'll be punished.

by Anonymousreply 49September 25, 2022 2:11 PM

R37 Nobody? Why clog the site with your childish exaggerations? You sound hysterical.

by Anonymousreply 50September 25, 2022 2:13 PM

R40 That's not an excuse. As pointed out already, it makes it worse.

Would we all sit and giggle if I called Judy a pathetic groveling dyke who threw a gay man under the bus to win some brownie points?

... I'm certainly assuming we wouldn't. You don't dehumanize people that way, or casually deride homosexuality as something inferior.

by Anonymousreply 51September 25, 2022 2:15 PM

Until Lindsey Graham publicly admits to being gay, no insult directed at him should be regarded as landing on us.

On the issues of outing and of shaming closeted political enemies of LGBTs, I am in favor.

But the troll/socks (probably Anscher) running this thread are

a) trying to shield closeted conservatives like Graham, generating faux outrage over insults

b) trying (poorly) to make the case that liberals are the enemies of LGBTs (as well as trying to pretend that the MSNBC anchor and guests are progressives, which they aren't)

c) pretending that the issue is really Graham's homosexuality rather than his hypocrisy

d) pretending that this group of talking heads are somehow 'blackmailing' Graham.

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by Anonymousreply 52September 25, 2022 2:15 PM

R50, if it's okay to mock Lindsey for being gay because he is trying to control women then the same treatment should be applied to Caitlyn Jenner who is a man that is trying to redesign women's golf to suit his desires.

by Anonymousreply 53September 25, 2022 2:19 PM

None of you should be defending anything about Graham. He gave up the right to be quietly in the closet due to his hypocrisy. He is open to whatever gets thrown at him at this point. I wish every person who sees him by a microphone would ask him why he, as a gay man, is so obsessed with abortions and controlling women's lives.

by Anonymousreply 54September 25, 2022 2:23 PM

[quote]It cannot be repeated enough. They were so 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 by both the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Trump and other extremists should be "elevated" to "leaders of the pack" and media outlets should be told to "take them seriously."

Nonsense. CNN and MSNBC don't take instruction from Democrats. They focused on Trump because Trump brought in ratings. You can blame that on viewers.

by Anonymousreply 55September 25, 2022 2:28 PM

R52, again with sock/trolls Anscher dreck?

This idiot recently accused the DL’s beloved Pierre aka Christmas Moose of being a “multi-socked troll” on the “DLers Must Die Anonymously All the Time and We Never Even Know” thread.

by Anonymousreply 56September 25, 2022 2:28 PM

R35

I'm not offended on your behalf. I'm offended because I think it's wrong.

by Anonymousreply 57September 25, 2022 2:31 PM

R55 is right. Democrats may have made their desires known but the reason Trump was given so much attention is because he was ratings gold.

by Anonymousreply 58September 25, 2022 2:32 PM

The left is imploding.

by Anonymousreply 59September 25, 2022 2:34 PM

If he shows up at Lea Michelle’s house with a desk light he might just get a chance to see one close up and personal.

by Anonymousreply 60September 25, 2022 2:49 PM

The punchline is that he’s gay. Women for all the progress they’ve made, still have a real problem with gay men in positions of authority. Go to any office environment with all women and there will only be one token gay (a court jester) and he won’t be in charge. Women have never addressed their core homophobia. They want men to keep in check their biological need to have sex, but yet they have yet to address their innate tendency to assess and judge others based on their biological need to find the perfect mate. Lots of women view gay men as spoiled goods, a mild threat, but also as means to inflate their ego. It’s all the little micro aggressions that think are so cute and fun. Society has also become so female empowering and negative about masculinity, that they feel emboldened to always talk to us about shopping and Drag, and not that icky guy stuff, yuck! It’s a race to the bottom (no pun intended), lowest common denominator situation. Step into a role of authority, as a gay man, and you’ll see that women are not the allies you thought they were, as long as you’re extremely passive they’re fine.

by Anonymousreply 61September 25, 2022 3:03 PM

R61, thankfully, straight men have overcome their homophobia. It's just women who are the problem.

by Anonymousreply 62September 25, 2022 3:07 PM

Denying "golf with the girls" to a man is a different scale of problem than denying healthcare to a woman with preeclampsia who only has hours to live without medical intervention.

by Anonymousreply 63September 25, 2022 3:07 PM

You’re correct, R61. I work with mostly women and a few microagressions towards me, absolutely.

by Anonymousreply 64September 25, 2022 3:07 PM

R63, it may be a different scale but it's still absurd that an entire female sport has to bow to the fantasies of one man. That type of thing only emboldens those who want more types of restrictions on women like abortion.

by Anonymousreply 65September 25, 2022 3:09 PM

R62 we’re not talking about straight men right now, and most straight men aren’t constantly YassssKweeen’ing us and pretending to be our besties and allies. I know you think that women are infallible and that discussing any flaw will negate every bad deed committed by straight men in the entire course of human history, but straight women do indeed have a real homophobia problem that has never been fully addressed. Stereotyping gay men as flamboyant sidekicks is the same thing as us telling you to get barefoot and back in the kitchen to make sandwiches.

by Anonymousreply 66September 25, 2022 3:17 PM

R65, I agree with you.

I just find it risible that the "whataboutism" crew on DL is comparing golf to emergency room healthcare.

by Anonymousreply 67September 25, 2022 3:17 PM

We’re not making fun of his gayness. We’re making fun of his weakness.

A man of his age and stature to remain in the closet is weak. We’ve all gone through the pain of coming out—many of us in less accepting times.

He’s a particularly attractive target because he’s exchanging truth for power. He’s remaining in the closet to keep and wield power.

This might have been acceptable if he were a benign force in the world. Think Dolly Parton. Who knows what her sexual proclivities are, but her approach to fielding questions is similar to his. She is positive force in her community and in the world. She treats everyone with dignity and is wholly consistent with her actions.

Lindsey is neither benign nor consistent. His alliance with Trump despite Trump’s authoritarianism, lawlessness and supplication to the racists is sickening.

This is particularly frustrating given that Trump publicly impugned Graham’s good friend John McCain’s reputation. How can anyone see Graham as anything but ridiculous after he became a Trump ally after Donald doxed him?

In my view, Graham has lost all right to civility. He’s a ridiculous human and the people of South Carolina debase themselves in their support of him.

by Anonymousreply 68September 25, 2022 3:19 PM

Was he the model (aside from the original Israeli show) for Spacey’s character in House of Cards?

by Anonymousreply 69September 25, 2022 3:20 PM

R68 no, sorry. Then say “he’s rumored to be a homosexual and if it’s true that makes his policies hypocritical”, don’t make the gayness the punchline. Even if what you said was correct, people now don’t understand nuance, they’re idiots and it’s just “hahaha, homo funny!” (eats next Cheeto).

by Anonymousreply 70September 25, 2022 3:25 PM

Making fun of gay sexuality and a man for being gay is totally acceptable if they have the “wrong” politics. This is the message being sent; and if orgs like GLAAD had any kind of integrity (they don’t), they’d be all over this.

The message is clear to gays: if you don’t align with every aspect of Leftism and the Democrat Party your sexual origination is fair game for humiliation and ridicule.

Gay Republicans may not be your cup of tea: but at least they’re calling out this hypocrisy and showing young gays there’s another path besides being cheerleaders for the Left.

by Anonymousreply 71September 25, 2022 3:31 PM

R53 That is correct. Caitlyn is a clown. What's your point?

by Anonymousreply 72September 25, 2022 3:33 PM

R71 the far left is just as brainwashed as the far right, and it’s only a matter of time before they are just as bad.

by Anonymousreply 73September 25, 2022 3:33 PM

The pollsters who started this thread to see if "An attack on Miss Lindsey is an attack on all the gays" had legs must be so disappointed.

by Anonymousreply 74September 25, 2022 3:35 PM

What’s with the eye for an eye shit? That ideology is everywhere now. So if a woman is homophobic to me then I should say she shouldn’t have a right to choose or vote? It works both ways.

His policy is shit, call that out, but don’t be homophobic towards him. Period. What’s hard to understand?

by Anonymousreply 75September 25, 2022 3:37 PM

R66, I agree with you. Some female allies have a problem with gay men. It is subtle and not terribly detrimental. The topic probably should have its own thread.

There is likely some resentment felt by some women that among other things (1) we’re not interested in them, (2) we may not be performing the masculine duties expected of us and/or (3) we earn more than they do while still being perceived as feminine as they are.

by Anonymousreply 76September 25, 2022 3:37 PM

Many women are not your ally.

by Anonymousreply 77September 25, 2022 3:38 PM

R19, how is he being outed? Everyone knows he's gay already, everyone has already made jokes including dataloungers

The freepers just want to bash msnbc

by Anonymousreply 78September 25, 2022 3:39 PM

R71, Lindsey said he would vote against gay marriage

Republicans in the House voted against gay marriage

"Leftists" aren't your enemy, Republicans are

by Anonymousreply 79September 25, 2022 3:40 PM

[quote]The problem is, when you mock Lindsey for his supposed homosexuality, you are mocking all other gay people as well.

Graham is so far in the closet he could be Mayor of Narnia.

by Anonymousreply 80September 25, 2022 3:40 PM

The Fraus and their YasssBots start freaking out if they think we are seeing past the facade of being super femme and accommodating to them.

This thread at link goes more into it

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by Anonymousreply 81September 25, 2022 3:42 PM

R79 nuance is not your friend obviously. No one is switching parties over this, but we can call out the left when they’re doing something we see as wrong.

by Anonymousreply 82September 25, 2022 3:43 PM

R57 Go find the manager.

by Anonymousreply 83September 25, 2022 3:44 PM

DL would like to speak to the manager!

by Anonymousreply 84September 25, 2022 3:45 PM

The closet is innately funny and mockable, especially when it's painfully obvious. Sorry Miss Lindz, as long as you're flouncing around in it people are going to laugh at you, a lot. If he ever came out, he would be treated differently. For now, he's going to be laughed at and every Lindsay Graham reference is going to lead to a gay joke eventually.

by Anonymousreply 85September 25, 2022 3:50 PM

R57 It must be exhausting feeling everyone's pain for them.

by Anonymousreply 86September 25, 2022 3:56 PM

R71, I support the concept of gay conservatism.

You wrote:

“The message is clear to gays: if you don’t align with every aspect of Leftism and the Democrat Party your sexual origination is fair game for humiliation and ridicule.

Gay Republicans may not be your cup of tea: but at least they’re calling out this hypocrisy and showing young gays there’s another path besides being cheerleaders for the Left.”

The problem is that Lindsey Graham and when in office Aaron Schock are not gay Republicans. They identified as straight, enjoyed the support of homophobes and have supported homophobic policies. Neither needed to go into public office. Neither were compelled to get addicted to power. They chose this. As constituents, we have the right to call them out.

by Anonymousreply 87September 25, 2022 3:58 PM

Oh my Lindsey-belle has seen at least one!

by Anonymousreply 88September 25, 2022 4:04 PM

R82, pundits sitting around a table are not wholly The Left. This group is not particularly distinguished or popular.

Professionals should behave themselves with a certain level of decorum. As the moderator, Stephanie could have and maybe should have been more admonishing of the comedian and the actress on the panel instead of laughing, winking ascent.

That said, being the bigger person gets old. And performing a disproportionate share of the decorum in society gets old.

by Anonymousreply 89September 25, 2022 4:05 PM

DL can mock Miss Lindsey as much as we want for being a closet case.

Other people mocking Miss Lindsey for being gay are using being gay as a negative epithet and a mark of derision.

by Anonymousreply 90September 25, 2022 4:05 PM

The person crying crocodile tears for Miss Lindz’s homosexual dignity is potato-faced Matt-facto, of course. Someone who is first in line to ridicule and demean homosexuality when a closeted neo-fascist isn’t involved.

by Anonymousreply 91September 25, 2022 4:07 PM

Women are the gatekeepers of homophobia. Yes, it’s true. They could change it. Look at how men behave in liberal enclaves like LA, NY, Seattle etc., they are accepting or at least feign gay support because that’s the behavior required for entry into the ever-vaunted liberal pussy. Men in red states and the South are homophobic as hell because the women are too. Pussy can change a man’s behavior, women are the puppeteers don’t be fooled.

by Anonymousreply 92September 25, 2022 4:08 PM

You’re upset that a lesbian comedian made fun of anti-gay Linsey Graham being in the closet?

by Anonymousreply 93September 25, 2022 4:18 PM

R92, intriguing analysis.

by Anonymousreply 94September 25, 2022 4:19 PM

[quote]Look at how men behave in liberal enclaves like LA, NY, Seattle etc., they are accepting or at least feign gay support because that’s the behavior required for entry into the ever-vaunted liberal pussy.

When the gays hold forth about hetero relationship dynamics, this is the sort of insights that obtain.

by Anonymousreply 95September 25, 2022 4:23 PM

R94 it’s mind-blowing how many men in liberal areas label themselves “feminist”, but they need that pussy. Women need to take accountability for this shit.

by Anonymousreply 96September 25, 2022 4:24 PM

While I may agree with some sentiments in this clip, and I definitely am pro-choice, I found the round table discussion to be tacky, as it also minimized the discussion on its true merits.

It doesn’t matter that Graham has seen or hasn’t seen a vagina. What matters is that men and women who are anti-choice, have ZERO business dictating to other women what to do with their bodies - period, end of story. Pun not intended.

by Anonymousreply 97September 25, 2022 4:32 PM

[quote] [R3] So use men's sexuality to blackmail them into supporting whatever political positions suit you.

Expose the hypocrisy of those who think their so-called "morality" should curtail my personal freedoms. If YOU can own a military-style assault rifle I should have reproductive freedom and be able to marry a person of the same gender.

by Anonymousreply 98September 25, 2022 4:33 PM

[quote] I've seen a lot of this on DT too, making fun of the gay Republicans specifically for being gay because, well, they're bad people. But the fact that you still think the gay part is something to mock (even if the person is bad or you're trying to just highlight their hypocrisy or whatever) only perpetuates the fact that gayness is a flaw that can be mocked. You're worse than your run of the mill homophobe because at least they're consistent, you're a hypocritical homophobe who uses himophobia when it suits you.

It is horrifying to witness someone so self-loathing that they would align themselves with the culture responsible for oppressing and demeaning them. So horrifying that sometimes it is more funny than pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 99September 25, 2022 4:40 PM

[quote] The problem is, when you mock Lindsey for his supposed homosexuality, you are mocking all other gay people as well. If the punchline is “he is gay”, then you are punching a lot of other gay men. You can’t say “well not YOU because you are one of the good ones”.

There is no punchline. Completely missing the point. Graham is holding forth specifically as a STRAIGHT Christian on an issue of female reproductive rights. The reality is that he is not straight, likely not Christian, and is not a husband or a father and will never impregnate a woman. So it is cruel and absurd that he should presume to tell women what they can do with their bodies. If a woman -- any woman; straight, gay, Christian, Buddhist -- had the temerity to hold forth on an issue of gay male sexuality Datalounge would rip her to shreds. It would not be an assault on all woman, just that one cunt. We'll still love Beyonce, Cher, Whitney, Dolly, Barbra, Madonna, Bette, Tina and Vivian Vance.

Graham has no public identification with gayness but I'd agree that every gay man needs to keep his mouth shut on the issue of reproductive freedom.

by Anonymousreply 100September 25, 2022 4:52 PM

Ridiculing hypocrites is always fun. Lindsey Graham is such a flip flop sycophant, that he makes it easy.

by Anonymousreply 101September 25, 2022 4:55 PM

R100 fine, Frau. We’ll neither discuss nor support it.

by Anonymousreply 102September 25, 2022 5:23 PM

so R100 wants gay men eliminated from the conversation, but straight men should have a say?

I’m sure her fat ass has plenty of opinions on gay marriage, because it affects her, because… “her gays”

by Anonymousreply 103September 25, 2022 5:25 PM

FUK HIM, LETS KICK HIM OUT OF A JOB !

by Anonymousreply 104September 25, 2022 5:25 PM

Notice how no one ever gets so nasty and aggressive with closeted women. The myth of female oppression is real.

by Anonymousreply 105September 25, 2022 5:33 PM

R105 How are there so many victims on this thread?

by Anonymousreply 106September 25, 2022 5:45 PM

[quote]Notice how no one ever gets so nasty and aggressive with closeted women.

Are there any prominent women senators (who are flagrant closet cases, no less) attempting to legislate male bodies and male sexuality?

by Anonymousreply 107September 25, 2022 5:47 PM

R107 women are allowed a much broader personality range when it comes to gender roles than men now, so women who appear “dyke-y” like MTG are written off as empowered and a “guys’ girls”. Women can get away with much more masculine behavior before their sexuality is questioned, if a man so much as gets a manicure he’s “a cocksucker”.

by Anonymousreply 108September 25, 2022 5:56 PM

Now we're defending Lindsey? We're respecting the closet and people in it who are trying to harm other people, just because the person mocking may not actually be a hardcore LGBT ally?

by Anonymousreply 109September 25, 2022 5:59 PM

Essentially what she means is "gay men shouldn't be allowed to vote."

by Anonymousreply 110September 25, 2022 6:11 PM

I'm gonna get flamed but I'm going to say it anyway.

I have no trouble believing that Graham has a homosexual orientation, but maybe, due to religious or other inhibitions has never acted on it. Maybe in his mind, then, he is not gay. Most of us are aware of the ways in which these Christians think and talk about homosexuality.

Has anyone ever come up with a shred of evidence that he's engaged in sexual or romantic activity with another man?

If you want to criticize his legislative activities do it on the basis of the substance of those issues, not on what you THINK he does in his private life. So far as I know the public does not KNOW what he does or doesn't do privately.

by Anonymousreply 111September 25, 2022 6:19 PM

[quote]Now we're defending Lindsey? We're respecting the closet and people in it who are trying to harm other people, just because the person mocking may not actually be a hardcore LGBT ally?

*We* aren't, r109, the trolls are.

by Anonymousreply 112September 25, 2022 6:26 PM

[quote] We'll still love Beyonce, Cher, Whitney, Dolly, Barbra, Madonna, Bette, Tina and Vivian Vance.

Thank you so much for reinforcing stereotypes.

by Anonymousreply 113September 25, 2022 6:26 PM

This thread is a perfect example of why DL is going down the toilet.

by Anonymousreply 114September 25, 2022 6:29 PM

Doesn't offend me in the least. Have at it. Everyone including Helen Keller from her grave can see he's gay. That he is so viscous against gay and women's rights is deserving of mockery. They are not mocking him for being gay. They are mocking him for pretending and being a pure asshole faggot.

by Anonymousreply 115September 25, 2022 6:33 PM

Yeah, this is a shit thread about a shit I don't give a shit about. I'm glad Miss Lindz is being mocked because she deserves it. She's being mocked by a lesbian comic. Good. I feel nothing--no association, no need to defend the Senatrice, and no outrage that shes being ganged up on. A fucking closet queen hypocrite going out of her way to make life worse for American women. Fuck. Her.

by Anonymousreply 116September 25, 2022 6:34 PM

The Senatrice?

Mock him, slap him, throw him on the ground and call him a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 117September 25, 2022 6:40 PM

Why are so many of you dicks so willing to ascribe to Lindsey Graham some nobleness that he has never, ever had.

Lindsey Graham first, last and always is a political animal. Like most Republicans, before this hag makes any commitments, she sticks her wet finger up (after pulling it out of her gaping maw of an asshole) to the political winds to see which way they're blowing. Then, she'll decide what is best for HER politically and economically. How it affects the United States and its people is way down on the list of priorities because Miss Graham does not give a rat's ass about the United States or its people, again like most Republicans.

Nobody is mocking this unrepentant cunt for being closeted or for being gay. They're mocking her because she is a nasty, shrewd, morally bankrupt cunt who is only looking out for herself but pretends to be otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 118September 25, 2022 6:43 PM

[quote] [R100] fine, Frau. We’ll neither discuss nor support it.

I am a man -- 98.7% of the time.

[quote] so [R100] wants gay men eliminated from the conversation, but straight men should have a say? I’m sure her fat ass has plenty of opinions on gay marriage, because it affects her, because… “her gays”

You're an imbecile. Frankly, why would a sane gay man 'insert' himself into the arena of female reproductive rights? We want nothing else to do with the female reproductive infrastructure.

by Anonymousreply 119September 25, 2022 6:45 PM

There seems to be a huge age divide in the reactions to this.

by Anonymousreply 120September 25, 2022 6:48 PM

[quote] Essentially what she means is "gay men shouldn't be allowed to vote."

I only W&W-ed because you would think whoever is making this rather ridiculous attempt at screaming Mary hysteria wants us to think so.

by Anonymousreply 121September 25, 2022 6:48 PM

[quote] Thank you so much for reinforcing stereotypes.

Bitch, if you're gay and you don't love one or all of them you've got bigger problems than Senatrix Graham, closeted gay hypocrites and abortion!

by Anonymousreply 122September 25, 2022 6:50 PM

[quote] Now we're defending Lindsey?

There’s no “we” here. It’s potato-face Matt-facto. She just changes ip in her vpn to make it appear like multiple voices are involved.

by Anonymousreply 123September 25, 2022 6:50 PM

Half the posts here sound like they're coming from the same outrage Mary troll.

by Anonymousreply 124September 25, 2022 6:53 PM

r107 Pretty much every one of them since the beginning of time. Go to a tabloid website and type in "hot female teacher" if you need some examples of double standards.

by Anonymousreply 125September 25, 2022 6:57 PM

The framing of this as being some sort of homophobic attack is stupid. He’s not being mocked for being gay, he’s being mocked for being a gay man that is obsessed with women and their reproductive systems when he has no familiarity with them. Instead of minding his own business he’s doubling down on draconian policies to the detriment of his own party.

by Anonymousreply 126September 25, 2022 7:03 PM

We know that, r126. You're only arguing with trolls.

by Anonymousreply 127September 25, 2022 7:07 PM

[quote] Stephanie Ruhle is also a Republican.

Excuse me, I'm a Libertarian, now.

by Anonymousreply 128September 25, 2022 7:13 PM

Stephanie Ruhle is not the problem. The Senatrice is.

by Anonymousreply 129September 25, 2022 7:27 PM

I'd they'll do it to Lindsey Graham they'll do it to any of us.

by Anonymousreply 130September 25, 2022 8:47 PM

I don't watch MSNBC anymore.

by Anonymousreply 131September 25, 2022 8:48 PM

MSNBC: Lindsey Graham is almost too gay to function.

DL: That’s only OK when I said it!

by Anonymousreply 132September 25, 2022 8:49 PM

Bullshit, R130.

by Anonymousreply 133September 25, 2022 8:51 PM

R133 What's the criteria for being treated with respect?

by Anonymousreply 134September 25, 2022 8:52 PM

People taking issue with this are the same people who have a problem with the LGBTQ+ tag being put on the Jeffrey Dahmer movie on Netflix. Something can be evil and gay at the same time and you don't have to defend it just because there's a gay person in the equation.

It's sad that black and white thinking has taken over so many in the Democratic side of the equation now, too. Fucking SJWokester simpletons ruin everything.

by Anonymousreply 135September 25, 2022 8:53 PM

Whatever it is, R134, Miss Lindz doesn't deserve it.

by Anonymousreply 136September 25, 2022 8:53 PM

You sound sharp.

by Anonymousreply 137September 25, 2022 8:55 PM

And you sound dull, R137.

by Anonymousreply 138September 25, 2022 8:56 PM

R138 You hate Lindsey Graham because he's a whipping post to take your self-loathing out on.

by Anonymousreply 139September 25, 2022 9:01 PM

Graham isn’t a part of our community fuckface repig OP!!

by Anonymousreply 140September 25, 2022 9:02 PM

Not at all self-loathing, R139. In fact, I kid of really love myself. I'm just not some fool who sees solidarity among all gay people everywhere, where we should all defend each other. I leave that foolishness to those like you.

by Anonymousreply 141September 25, 2022 9:04 PM

OP who is also r139 is a beyond stupid repig.

by Anonymousreply 142September 25, 2022 9:08 PM

I'm all for the uproarious mockery of Miss Lindz on tv, so no, OP, no outrage from me.

by Anonymousreply 143September 25, 2022 9:12 PM

Thanks R 90, I'm right there with you..

by Anonymousreply 144September 25, 2022 11:07 PM

I think, R90, that that's bullshit. I think it is a wet, tacit defense of Miss Lindz Graham, the fair Senatrice from SC. She deserves every effrontery, every mockery. She has aided and abetted Donald Dump for the last 6 years.

by Anonymousreply 145September 25, 2022 11:22 PM

[quote] She deserves every effrontery, every mockery. She has aided and abetted Donald Dump for the last 6 years.

So for disagreements of policy the worst thing you can think of in response it to call him a "she" and excuse homophobic sneers aimed at him. You must be a progressive. Irrationality, hate, homophobia, and misogyny in one short sentence. Very efficient.

by Anonymousreply 146September 25, 2022 11:32 PM

"So for disagreements of policy the worst thing you can think of in response it to call him a "she""

Well, that helps, yeah, R146. The one thing Miss Lindz would never want to be (or be with) is a "she."

"You must be a progressive."

And you must not be, R146.

by Anonymousreply 147September 25, 2022 11:33 PM

Calling gay men 'she' is misogynistic. It's especially ironic coming from those of you who are defending him against these oh so horrible "homophobic" attacks. Just call him a piece of shit and go from there.

by Anonymousreply 148September 25, 2022 11:49 PM

R146 That's what I'm saying, there are so many men here who gleefully pounce at the chance to obsessively call another man a mincing sissy and mock him. What is all of this being based on? YOURSELVES.

You all feel like he's an acceptable target and all of the self loathing you bottle up and bury deep comes screeching out.

THEN, all of the liberal ladies who think they're down start repeating you. They have no idea what they're talking about, and I do think some of them are letting out a little of their bottled up homophobia too.

This is a problem.

by Anonymousreply 149September 25, 2022 11:51 PM

Women are jokingly saying the things we say about ourselves so they're secret homophobes!!!

Straight men are beating and killing us but we still want to fuck them. Let's blame women for letting straight men act that way!!!

Fucking idiots.

by Anonymousreply 150September 25, 2022 11:55 PM

"Calling gay men 'she' is misogynistic."

Mary R148, go fuck yourself. Calling someone "she" is a staple on DL. If you don't like it, don't let the door slam you on your cunt on the way out.

And flush that sand outta your vadge.

by Anonymousreply 151September 25, 2022 11:59 PM

Yeah, no misogyny in R151 at all. Thanks for proving my point, moron.

by Anonymousreply 152September 26, 2022 12:01 AM

Sure thing, gash R152. Again. mind that door.

by Anonymousreply 153September 26, 2022 12:02 AM

Of course he's been to Vagina, it's not far from South Carolina.

by Anonymousreply 154September 26, 2022 12:08 AM

Love the ROI on Texas Log Cabin Republicans support. Hope the low taxes are worth having the Texas GOP put this in their platform:

155. Homosexuality: Homosexuality is an abnormal lifestyle choice. We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin, and we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values. No one should be granted special legal status based on their LGBTQ+ identification.

How wonderful it must be to align oneself with folks who at best want your liberties to be limited and at worst depend on the votes of those who wish you dead. Congratulations!

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by Anonymousreply 155September 26, 2022 12:27 AM

But poor Miss Lindz, R155--what about HER feelings?

by Anonymousreply 156September 26, 2022 12:45 AM

So, if he came out, would he be cast out, because of his politic?. Can a gay card be revoked for one's politics, religion, race, ethnicity, financial standing?

by Anonymousreply 157September 26, 2022 1:30 AM

R157, do straight people support all other straight people? Of course we can reject the fucker.

by Anonymousreply 158September 26, 2022 1:56 AM

R 157 here, I was trying to be ironic & funny .Oh well, sorry. Didn't realize this is life & death!!

by Anonymousreply 159September 26, 2022 2:30 AM

Unfortunately, Lindsey Graham is gay--and we don't want him.

The heteros can keep this in-too-deep, self-loathing closet case.

by Anonymousreply 160September 26, 2022 2:40 AM

R157, you failed on both counts.

by Anonymousreply 161September 26, 2022 2:40 AM

Do I have to turn in my gay card, because I failed??

by Anonymousreply 162September 26, 2022 2:47 AM

If in any way you sympathize with Miss Lindz, by all means hand in your card.

by Anonymousreply 163September 26, 2022 2:50 AM

Are you in charge of all cards or is there a group who decides? Are governed by a dictator?

by Anonymousreply 164September 26, 2022 2:53 AM

opps Are we governed by a dictator?

by Anonymousreply 165September 26, 2022 2:54 AM

[quote] Nothing says community like blackmail and public humiliation!

What the women did was completely justified. Graham is asking for a national ban on abortion.

by Anonymousreply 166September 26, 2022 2:55 AM

Turn in your cards to Miss Lindz. She won't care. And since you have no pride, neither do you.

by Anonymousreply 167September 26, 2022 2:56 AM

Said by Julie Gold, a lesbian, so she's actually a part of the gay community, not an "ally"...you dope.

by Anonymousreply 168September 26, 2022 4:09 AM

Per the OP, it's the gay "community." Fuck Judy Gold.

by Anonymousreply 169September 26, 2022 5:00 AM

No, fuck this idiot thread.

by Anonymousreply 170September 26, 2022 7:58 AM

[quote]R56: again with sock/trolls Anscher dreck? This idiot recently accused the DL’s beloved Pierre aka Christmas Moose of being a “multi-socked troll” on the “DLers Must Die Anonymously All the Time and We Never Even Know” thread.

Only Anscher would pooh-pooh the idea that he trolls here. Everyone else here knows that he does.

"Pierre" was caught socking as 'Xavier.' That he used socks happens to have been a fact, which was acknowledged on that thread at reply 71:

[quote]𝐼 𝑑𝑜𝑛'𝑡 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑒 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑟𝑒 or how justified you feel, the truth is that many people on DL liked Pierre, and all you're doing when you post these things is upsetting them.

Posters here are aware of the sock puppeting going on; it's not something you can manufacture doubt about. In fact, 𝑦𝑜𝑢'𝑟𝑒 a sock puppet of the troll running this thread; your post at R27 is trying the reinforce the troll narrative that CNN and MSNBC are the same as Fox.

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by Anonymousreply 171September 26, 2022 8:07 AM
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by Anonymousreply 172September 26, 2022 8:59 AM
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by Anonymousreply 173September 26, 2022 9:02 AM
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by Anonymousreply 174September 26, 2022 9:03 AM

I see no difference between this and gay men calling women "fish" and "hags."

by Anonymousreply 175September 26, 2022 9:07 AM

Do they still employ that anti-gay black woman, the woman who said Russia hacked her blog and posted anti-gay shit, Joy Reid?

by Anonymousreply 176September 26, 2022 9:26 AM

I find Graham weird, ugly, and he doesn't share my political view on any topic I'm aware of. But how has his stance on abortion etc. anything to do with who he wanks to? I don't think he has sex because you bet this would have somehow produced sustainable evidence. Graham might be hypocritical but the left's hypocrisy is worse: Being gay is a mockable thing for them, not Graham hiding it. They are mocking his effeminate mannerisms because even if he was out, he would be the wrong kind of gay for them, not the manly kind of gay. I would love to see him coming out as non-binary and thus force everyone from NYt to Politico to MSNBC to call him by his xir / belle pronouns or write an elaborate essay of self-flagellation. There is plenty of hypocrisy to go around in this game.

by Anonymousreply 177September 26, 2022 10:01 AM

R177 He's a Republican, they would harass the living daylights out of him.

by Anonymousreply 178September 26, 2022 10:05 AM

Putin-Trump QANONers ❤️ their LadyG. Don’t criticize her. They get mad if you do.

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by Anonymousreply 179September 26, 2022 10:18 AM

Graham tried to overturn the vote in Georgia. He continues trying to avoid testifying before the grand jury.

Ever view his tweets and Fox and Newsmax interviews? He can be nasty-mouthed as anyone toward others. His past anti-gay rhetoric has been viscous at times. He can get back what he dishes-out for his hypocrisy and vote tampering efforts.

by Anonymousreply 180September 26, 2022 10:33 AM

But her FEELINGS, R180!

by Anonymousreply 181September 26, 2022 12:25 PM

Not to sound like a conservative old gay but this is not what a legitimate journalist on a news programme would do in the old days.

by Anonymousreply 182September 26, 2022 12:31 PM

R148 The Language Lady is very upset and can't understand why people are ignoring her demands.

by Anonymousreply 183September 26, 2022 12:35 PM

The general gist that I'm getting from the guys who are in favor of this is that you see homophobic attacks as an acceptable political tool if it's being done in service of a policy you want.

For instance, since Graham opposes abortion and immigration, he deserves to be lambasted as a faggot by liberals- the harsher, crueler, and meaner the better.

You can't say this is punishment for being closeted, because you all pull this same behavior with Andrew Sullivan- who was never closeted and also did more for marriage rights than any of you ever did.

by Anonymousreply 184September 26, 2022 12:41 PM

You can't have people who are ostensibly allies engaging in gay bashing.

by Anonymousreply 185September 26, 2022 12:44 PM

If people don't like it, they can look beyond it or call the mockers out for gay bashing--which is unfair. I don't think it's right to throw in an outing along with a critique of his policy. But he really seems like a two-faced GOP asshole to me

by Anonymousreply 186September 26, 2022 12:48 PM

Lindseybelle hates LGBTQ rights and voted for three SCOTUS judges who want to ban same-sex marriage, and WE’RE the assholes?

Fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 187September 26, 2022 12:54 PM

Graham says she is not gay. Accept that. If she refers to herself as Lady G as rent boys have claimed, then oblige her. You are insulting her self-identity by calling her a “him”.

She’s more “lady” in manner and relationships than Caitlyn, who gets angry if she is referred to as a “him”.

by Anonymousreply 188September 26, 2022 12:55 PM

I believe that Lindsey is still following Trump's marching orders.

Trump is seriously pissed that the Republican party no longer has his back, and he has sent Lindsey out to do epic damage ahead of the election.

It may seem like a lot of Republicans still back Trump, but the real powers that be no longer do. Trump was always going to lash out at them in the end, he was always going to try to destroy them. Trump is not going down alone, he is going to take everyone and anyone with him.

At some point, when all is truly lost, Trump will disclose the dirt he has on Lindsey. He will end up destroyed as well.

by Anonymousreply 189September 26, 2022 12:56 PM

There is no dirt on Lindsey. Republicans are well aware that he's gay and joke about it all the time. Their main complaint about him is that he is perceived as disloyal to Trump 🙄

by Anonymousreply 190September 26, 2022 12:59 PM

DL is full of fascist apologists these days (see Italian election thread) - we shouldn’t be surprised that there are so many posts defending La Sénatrice.

by Anonymousreply 191September 26, 2022 1:01 PM

I think Lindsey's main fear in coming out is (rightfully) endless homophobic harrassment from Democrats and the gay community. His policies won't change and his own party will keep voting him into office.

by Anonymousreply 192September 26, 2022 1:02 PM

There is dirt on Lady Lindzebelle.

by Anonymousreply 193September 26, 2022 1:03 PM

Leave Lindsey alooooooone!

by Anonymousreply 194September 26, 2022 1:03 PM

R191 Yeah, I saw that Italian guy. Claws were out!

by Anonymousreply 195September 26, 2022 1:04 PM

Did all the pearl-clutchers on this thread react the same way when Pete and Chasten were attacked by Fox Fascists for “chest-feeding” their babies, or for being gay in general?

by Anonymousreply 196September 26, 2022 1:27 PM

LG is a virgin? That’s something an incel would project if it isn’t a troll.

by Anonymousreply 197September 26, 2022 4:36 PM

Vaginismus Treatment may be a plausible course of action for La Senatrice.

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by Anonymousreply 198September 26, 2022 7:39 PM

wait for it

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by Anonymousreply 199September 30, 2022 5:00 AM

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by Anonymousreply 200September 30, 2022 5:26 AM

Why does everyone say Lindsey is sticking his nose into women's lives & making this issue all about him?

Have they ever read an abortion poll out of his state in the past 50 years?

The state he represents is one of about a dozen states that would outlaw abortion in all cases if they got around to it.

To my knowledge his state has never elected a pro choice Senator in the past 50 years & won't anytime soon.

He is representing the will of the people in his state & for him to come out as pro choice (I doubt that he really is), he knows he'd be recalled or voted out in the next election cycle.

The bottom line is his abortion position (what others are calling his "personal view") is what the majority of his voters want from him.

by Anonymousreply 201September 30, 2022 7:21 AM
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by Anonymousreply 202September 30, 2022 10:39 AM

A woman in Georgia has he power to indict Lindsey. How could he not lash out at women as a whole right now? He's being particularly pathetic in trying to assert his authority.

by Anonymousreply 203September 30, 2022 11:29 AM
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