Doesn’t this depress anyone else? You die and nobody here knows who you were. We won’t even know you’ve died. You just disappear, like you never really existed in the first place.
DLers Must Die Anonymously All the Time and We Never Even Know
by Anonymous | reply 106 | October 16, 2022 2:27 PM |
We know Judy Pills died in an alley, right?
by Anonymous | reply 1 | September 21, 2022 1:22 AM |
I miss Pierre.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | September 21, 2022 1:23 AM |
I wish the monarchists and “drop the t” lunatics would die.
Though their absence would be (gratefully) noted.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | September 21, 2022 1:23 AM |
It's sad. One day writing large paragraphs about the declining TV ratings for award shows, the next day gone
by Anonymous | reply 4 | September 21, 2022 1:29 AM |
I don’t necessarily obsess about this, but it has crossed my mind a couple of times over the last year.
I don’t know if I mind dying without anyone making a fuss, or even noticing until my corpse is found fused to the recliner, but the thought has occurred to me that I might start thinning the herd, so to speak, so there’s less crap for some stranger to deal with.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | September 21, 2022 1:29 AM |
Yeah that’s fucked up, R5. It tears me apart thinking of all these gay men dying old and alone. They’re good people with good hearts, and they deserve better.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | September 21, 2022 1:36 AM |
And probably barely anyone in real life knows either. Many eldergays are single and friendless by their own choosing. Once their days of chasing ass and dick are over--they have no use for people.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | September 21, 2022 1:36 AM |
I instructed my attorney to reveal to DL my identity upon my demise.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | September 21, 2022 1:36 AM |
Sad reality. Gays are not important. You live alone and you die alone.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | September 21, 2022 1:39 AM |
r5 and r6 may wish to avoid Andrew Holleran's latest, The Kingdom of Sand.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | September 21, 2022 1:40 AM |
R7 that’s pathetic
by Anonymous | reply 11 | September 21, 2022 1:46 AM |
R10, that book sounds good, I'll have to get it.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | September 21, 2022 2:25 AM |
Hopefully in a grease fire as ordered.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | September 21, 2022 2:27 AM |
Speak for yourself, R7, you cunty cunt.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | September 21, 2022 2:32 AM |
She was a fat bitch but she couldn't live forever.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | September 21, 2022 2:33 AM |
"Must die anonymously?" Not me. I'm in my late 60s and in poor health so I have perhaps only a few years remaining. I'm fortunate to have many friends and also a few relatives that I still like. I've already written my obituary and it's ready to be published in my hometown newspaper and in the city where I lived and worked for over 50 years. I've set up a large endowment to our local medical center and maybe they'll name an operating room after me.
In our city, we have at least one managed care facility in the city that serves the LGBTQ community. Perhaps if there were more places that welcomed sexual minorities and former DL contributors perhaps fewer people would die anonymously. Though, being alone at time of death is something that happens to all types of people. And it happens in the best of families too.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | September 21, 2022 2:48 AM |
Thus is the fate of the anonymous poster.
The truth is even the people who know you don’t care
by Anonymous | reply 17 | September 21, 2022 3:08 AM |
I belong to a social group of elderly gay men (55 and up). We’re all balding, not in perfect gym body shape, dress to be comfortable and having a blast. No pretensions, no bullshit, just men enjoying other men’s company.
Hopefully there is a social safety net for our DL posters, that choose to seek it out.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | September 21, 2022 3:31 AM |
I AM NOT DEAD YET R15!
by Anonymous | reply 19 | September 21, 2022 3:35 AM |
Many people die alone. Not just the gays. A spouse and kids is no guarantee they'll give a shit about you in your final days.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | September 21, 2022 4:23 AM |
I was very young when I found DL. 24 or so. Never thought about posters dying. Who thinks of death at 24?
But one of my favorite posters was Cackle, Cackle. Over the years I grew to love his wise posts about life and love in Half Moon Bay. And then he was gone.
Now, nearly 20 years later, I think about posters dying all too often. DL is a big part of my life and the posters here are the reason why.
I don't like all of you. I loathe a few. But I also love many, like most and appreciate all in this warped little community so damn much.
So we die alone. Big deal. As long as we had a good enough time living it's all okay.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | September 21, 2022 4:25 AM |
Cheer up OP. When I go, you can have my stuff and all of my W&Ws.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | September 21, 2022 4:28 AM |
Now I'm thoroughly depressed.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | September 21, 2022 4:38 AM |
Am I needed here?
Do not despair, all DLers will be reunited at the Rainbow Bridge Off-Ramp.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | September 21, 2022 4:51 AM |
If you made it far enough in life to be a regular poster here in God's waiting room, count yourself lucky. Some die before they ever get a chance to develop any wit or wisdom. We may not know your name or face, but your amusingly bitchy comments will live on forever.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | September 21, 2022 4:53 AM |
My ashes will be scattered in Mother's basement if you care to pay your respects 😇
by Anonymous | reply 26 | September 21, 2022 4:54 AM |
Every time you hit WW, another DataAngel gets its wings.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | September 21, 2022 4:56 AM |
A frienemy of mine who I know was on here regularly 15 years ago is in a nursing home in poor health with diabetes and mental health issues. I don't believe he's posted in quite a while, but he had lots of NYC gossip. I know he's not able to participate here anymore because of a certain Emmy "speech" the other day and the winner was an old college chum he bragged about knowing so well, so his posts would have betrayed himself. If he dies, we might never know, and certainly most of you wouldn't.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | September 21, 2022 4:57 AM |
We all die alone.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | September 21, 2022 4:57 AM |
Was Pierre the guy who posted all the Moos? If he was, or if he wasn’t, I guess that proves the point that even if you’re a verified poster here, you still might die unnoticed… well, unnoticed here.
The point of the Moos-guy was that his death DID go noticed here and that’s how I learned he about 4 blocks away from me here in Boston. Even though I doubt we ever crossed paths, it still made me sad to learn I had lost a neighbor.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | September 21, 2022 5:02 AM |
I beg your pardon OP. Have you been hiding under a rock?
by Anonymous | reply 31 | September 21, 2022 5:03 AM |
Well SMELL YOU, OP.
You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself as well as the rest of us pathetic DLers. Of course 99.99% of us die anonymously - Remember: Thou art dust, and to dust thou shall return. Humility doesn't mean thinking less of yourself; it means thinking of yourself LESS.
If dying "anonymously" bugs you so much, then pick up your sorry ass and go out into the world and make a difference in someone else's life. Teach someone how to read; give food to the hungry; help build someone a home. You get the picture.
If we, as DataLoungers, die and no one ever knows than that is on US. We were too selfish and never made a difference in someone else's life.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | September 21, 2022 5:11 AM |
Edgar Allen whatshisface died face down drunk in an alleyway, OP. Don't focus on how you'll die or how you'll be remembered.
I've got family member cremains sprinkled all over the backyard. Doesn't mean they weren't important.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | September 21, 2022 5:15 AM |
I had 2 lines in a movie once.
Am therefore immortal!
by Anonymous | reply 34 | September 21, 2022 5:31 AM |
DLers just need to embed a few secret phrases with in their obituaries for us to know they were amongst us. I leave all my worldly goods to Ginny in billing. Survived by Cheryl. Nothing was left to Muriel in my will for reasons that are well known to her.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | September 21, 2022 5:37 AM |
My friend Bruce, who introduced me to DL years ago, died a few weeks ago after a seizure and other complicatiopns. He was 75.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | September 21, 2022 5:39 AM |
Is Judy Pills Garland really dead?
by Anonymous | reply 37 | September 21, 2022 5:42 AM |
When this thread dies, no one will care or remember it.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | September 21, 2022 5:46 AM |
I think it’s obvious that Muriel died.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | September 21, 2022 5:49 AM |
[quote]My friend Bruce, who introduced me to DL years ago, died a few weeks ago after a seizure and other complicatiopns. He was 75.
But he looked 25.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | September 21, 2022 5:49 AM |
When De-Facto dies his herpes will live on in the penises of the homeless and mentally challenged.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | September 21, 2022 5:56 AM |
Anonymous, I swear . . .
by Anonymous | reply 42 | September 21, 2022 6:01 AM |
OP cheer up it cos be worse. You could find yourself brought to the end of life from a fall on the stairs in your high rise NU apartment with no one there to save you. Then to add injury to insult your ex buries you in one if his golf courses.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | September 21, 2022 6:08 AM |
OP, how did you find a picture of tombstones that look like penises?
by Anonymous | reply 44 | September 21, 2022 6:18 AM |
r9 many threads here will tell you that gays are important because live or die, they infect the normies and then add erasure to their innocent victims.
Every headline about any infection that could be transmitted sexually? The Queen died after a cold? It was the gays!
by Anonymous | reply 45 | September 21, 2022 6:26 AM |
May I ask that if any of you want to off yourselves with a gun, that you do it outside so you can just be hosed off the sidewalk? It creates a terrible mess indoors.
Thanks ever so much.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | September 21, 2022 6:29 AM |
[quote]DLers Must Die Anonymously All the Time
All the time? LOL. Exactly how many people do you think are posting here? Does it give you comfort in life thinking you're part of some big "happening" group?
by Anonymous | reply 47 | September 21, 2022 6:30 AM |
r32
[quote] Teach someone how to read; give food to the hungry; help build someone a home
pssh. that will never earn them a DL memorial.. . they're going to need to go on a violent spree, die in orgy or in a freakishly perverted way
and if they're not attractive, which odds are they aren't, they're going to need to be entertaining.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | September 21, 2022 6:31 AM |
Wont DL be archived?
We are today's equivalent of Boyd McDonald's or Studs Terkels interviews, or past publications that everyone is getting to digitise and archive. But we are digital born and surely that's an advantage?
Just Muriel herself can be the subject of dozens of anthropsychology doctoral dissertations in the future.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | September 21, 2022 6:34 AM |
It’s a wonder we’ve never made the front page of the Daily Mail R49.
Or maybe we have and that’s why Muriel screws with the links.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | September 21, 2022 6:38 AM |
R49 Contact the major LGBTQ+ archives and see if they are keeping a transcript: New York Public Library, San Francisco Public Library, One Archive USC.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | September 21, 2022 6:40 AM |
When Christmas Mouse stopped posting I assumed that he passed away. That makes me sad. It was one of the only Christmas traditions I actually loved.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | September 21, 2022 6:41 AM |
I miss the Christmas Moose and Friend of Christmas Moose.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | September 21, 2022 6:42 AM |
R41, Defuckoff can't have herpes. No way in the hell the fat ass has ever been touched, let alone fucked.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | September 21, 2022 6:59 AM |
You can get herpes from a toilet seat!
by Anonymous | reply 55 | September 21, 2022 7:00 AM |
SNAP OUT OF IT!
by Anonymous | reply 56 | September 21, 2022 7:06 AM |
I'll try to find them later, but surely someone can post the "moo" and other Pierre threads
by Anonymous | reply 57 | September 21, 2022 7:48 AM |
For those who say that gays are not relevant and live and die alone, you should look at the bright side. At least there are not people who wish you would die to get rid of the burden, as almost all breeders' children are.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | September 21, 2022 8:39 AM |
I love that, R18. What city are you in?
by Anonymous | reply 59 | September 21, 2022 8:42 AM |
I've donated my body to a local faculty of medicine. Then a gang of young medical students can dabble with my nude, dead body when I die. I will tattoo my name on my chest so that they will know my name. I won't die alone.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | September 21, 2022 8:47 AM |
R18 over-55 is not elderly!
R16 that's sweet, you sound very sociable and organised
I have R7 blocked already so can't see what nastiness they posted
by Anonymous | reply 61 | September 21, 2022 8:59 AM |
Will I be missed?
by Anonymous | reply 62 | September 21, 2022 9:31 AM |
I intend to be so anonymous on DL that I will not be missed. My posts and threads are innocuous and boring and come all from different perspectives.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | September 21, 2022 9:58 AM |
I've already promised myself that if I get a terminal illness, I'm going to make sure I irritate as many assholes, rightwingers, troll, and Davida and/or Matt sockpuppets as possible before I go.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | September 21, 2022 11:19 AM |
I don't want to say who it was, but a DLer died and someone revealed their Facebook in a thread on here, where their last post was an attempt to write out a prayer, but they couldn't fully manage it because they were so sick, and their sister just posted "???" and apparently never checked on him. They didn't find them for several days.
When people say "oh you have to have friends and family" I always think about that and wonder what good it would do me, exactly.
I can get ignored all on my own, I don't need dumbass family members to do it for me.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | September 21, 2022 11:22 AM |
[quote]Edgar Allen whatshisface died face down drunk in an alleyway, OP.
He did not, you dumb dork.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | September 21, 2022 11:24 AM |
[quote]I have [R7] blocked already so can't see what nastiness they posted.
She sounds like someone I would have blocked, too, r61. But yesterday I unblocked everyone I had on my list. It was over 100 people, most blocked during Queenstravaganza.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | September 21, 2022 11:29 AM |
What a bizarre thread. When I die, the people who know me will mourn me. Datalounge is not my only social outlet; it's not even in the top 10. I don't really care about anyone here, so why would I care if they know I die?
by Anonymous | reply 68 | September 21, 2022 11:42 AM |
r35, I shall end my obituary with a quote by Miss Helen Lawson, "Now you get out of my way 'cause I got a Man waiting for me"
by Anonymous | reply 69 | September 21, 2022 12:00 PM |
[quote]R2: I miss Pierre.
[quote]R30:
Was Pierre the guy who posted all the Moos? If he was, or if he wasn’t, I guess that proves the point that even if you’re a verified poster here, you still might die unnoticed… well, unnoticed here... The point of the Moos-guy was that his death DID go noticed here and that’s how I learned he about 4 blocks away from me here in Boston. Even though I doubt we ever crossed paths, it still made me sad to learn I had lost a neighbor.
[quote]R52: When Christmas Mouse stopped posting I assumed that he passed away. That makes me sad. It was one of the only Christmas traditions I actually loved.
[quote]R53: I miss the Christmas Moose and Friend of Christmas Moose.
[quote]R57: I'll try to find them later, but surely someone can post the "moo" and other Pierre threads
▲ 𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑠 was the actual point of this thread, to revive the topic of Pierre. The truth about Pierre is that he was a multi-socked troll who used to also post as 'Xavier,' a non-authenticated identity and a bigoted and controlling Catholic who dominated the religion threads. A couple of years ago, 'Xavier' made a mistake and signed that name to his authenticated 'Pierre' account, so it had to be retired; the connection was supposed to have been hidden. I've never been convinced that the poster really died, only that the use of a particular account was ended, and the troll who used to run it keeps its memory alive through threads like this one, for the simple reason that 'Xavier'-style trolling on religion threads has persisted uninterrupted, with the same arguments.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | September 21, 2022 12:04 PM |
Poisoned Dragon, you need to drop it. I don't care how right you are or how justified you feel, the truth is that many people on DL liked Pierre, and all you're doing when you post these things is upsetting them.
Which, honestly, seems to be your goal. You're mad that they liked Pierre and you want to upset them on purpose because of it. It's petty and childish. Move on.
Also, whether you like it or not, the guy who posted as Pierre is dead. I know for a fact that you were on the thread where his info was posted and you still didn't believe it, but only because you didn't want to.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | September 21, 2022 12:11 PM |
The level of investment in the lives and backstories of anonymous nobodies on a forum known for unmoderated trolling and sockpuppeting is, well, insane to an absolutely insane degree of insanity.
Get. A. Life. Go outside. Get fresh air. Talk to someone face to face. You'll feel better eventually.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | September 21, 2022 12:15 PM |
[quote]R71: Poisoned Dragon, you need to drop it.
I'll let it go when you do.
[quote]I don't care how right you are or how justified you feel, the truth is that many people on DL liked Pierre, and all you're doing when you post these things is upsetting them.
Sock accounts ≠ "many people."
And those who aren't participants need to know the truth.
[quote]Also, whether you like it or not, the guy who posted as Pierre is dead. I know for a fact that you were on the thread where his info was posted and you still didn't believe it, but only because you didn't want to.
Because you failed to make the case.
[quote]—you also do as much trolling as he did, which I think you know
No, babe. I do straightforward single-account posting, imparting information on subjects of interest to me, and bust trolls and disseminators of disinformation.
[quote]R72: The level of investment in the lives and backstories of anonymous nobodies on a forum known for unmoderated trolling and sockpuppeting is, well, insane to an absolutely insane degree of insanity.
There is no universe in which that will ever be crazier than the 'unmoderated trolling and sockpuppeting' itself. Fact.
[quote]Get. A. Life. Go outside. Get fresh air. Talk to someone face to face. You'll feel better eventually.
Is that an Anscher or a Davida trope? I cannot recall.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | September 21, 2022 12:25 PM |
R72 tweets "touch grass" to a minimum of 25 people a day.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | September 21, 2022 12:34 PM |
Haha holy shit, r72, you just posted this yesterday
[quote]Anyone who's been here long enough knows the deal with Della. She's not our friend.
Fucking hypocrite troll. I can't wait until you graduate high school and don't have all this time to waste on DL.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | September 21, 2022 12:36 PM |
I understand what you're saying, OP.
I post on Facebook on my favorite baseball team's pages. We've had 3 or 4 regulars die but they were actual friends of other posters. Some had actually gone to some games together or travelled to see each other. They hadn't met each other before we started posting.
One of our favorites died after suffering a major heart attack. His widow contacted a FB friend who let us all know. I still remember getting the email from one my FB friends, letting me know he had died. It actually made me tear up.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | September 21, 2022 12:48 PM |
I'm part of an Opera listserv. I joined when I was 30 (I was likely among the youngest on there, knowing the demographics of opera lovers).
Now, 20 years later, few people post. I assume most have died.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | September 21, 2022 5:51 PM |
Maybe they’re just gathering somewhere other than listserv, R77.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | September 21, 2022 11:20 PM |
They're on Snapchat.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | September 21, 2022 11:22 PM |
THEY'RE FINE!! THEY SEND THEIR LOVE!
by Anonymous | reply 80 | September 22, 2022 12:50 AM |
I've only just realized (I'm slow) that, because I always post anonymously, when I go no one here will know. 20,000 WWs and no one will even notice I'm gone.. I won't care -but it does feel weird to realize I'm part of a community that doesn't know who anyone is, even by a pseudonym. Should I create a persona and start signing my posts?
by Anonymous | reply 81 | September 22, 2022 3:47 AM |
R81, no
by Anonymous | reply 82 | September 22, 2022 3:49 AM |
R81, YES! Come out of the closet already.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | September 22, 2022 4:47 AM |
Any orgy activities R18?
by Anonymous | reply 84 | September 22, 2022 4:50 AM |
[QUOTE] I've only just realized (I'm slow) that, because I always post anonymously, when I go no one here will know. 20,000 WWs and no one will even notice I'm gone.. I won't care -but it does feel weird to realize I'm part of a community that doesn't know who anyone is, even by a pseudonym.
Yes, that’s why I made the thread.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | September 22, 2022 3:43 PM |
Almost everyone will be completely forgotten within a generation or two so it's not just DL
by Anonymous | reply 86 | September 22, 2022 3:58 PM |
What matters on DL is the great words of wisdom and (weird) send of community--not the people behind the words
by Anonymous | reply 87 | September 22, 2022 3:59 PM |
I kind of choke up trying to come up with a message here. I remember when Pierre died (I was a new recruit then) and a few others have fallen since then. I was also one of the posters that responded to the Suicidal eldergay of November '21. That was very sad and hope that the poor guy found something more in his life.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | September 22, 2022 4:57 PM |
[quote]My ashes will be scattered in Mother's basement if you care to pay your respects
What good will that do us? You’ll probably only be down there no more than a week before she vacuums.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | September 22, 2022 5:31 PM |
I want to marry r21!
R32, you’re a bitch. I mean, you’re right, but you’re still a bitch. (Luv ya!)
by Anonymous | reply 90 | September 22, 2022 5:32 PM |
Hey, I didn’t die alone, but let me tell you it still wasn’t all that great.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | September 22, 2022 5:33 PM |
[quote]until my corpse is found fused to the recliner,
😂😂
by Anonymous | reply 92 | September 22, 2022 5:37 PM |
[quote] That was very sad and hope that the poor guy found something more in his life.
Let’s just hope he found enough of whatever he needed to complete his life 😳
by Anonymous | reply 93 | September 22, 2022 7:45 PM |
God, I hate PoisonedDragon.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | October 16, 2022 12:15 PM |
I don't know what he did to warrant this thread bump r94 but I suspect a whole bunch of us agree with you.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | October 16, 2022 12:29 PM |
I posted after letting previous comments lie unchallenged and festering. Pierre was attacked, because of some idiot who has appointed themselves as a monitor for the board. Pierre was a friend to many of us. I knew his real name, and enjoyed his many voices on DL. It broke my heart to see his page confirming his death.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | October 16, 2022 12:54 PM |
I have no recollection of a Pierre. Was he from the dial up days?
by Anonymous | reply 97 | October 16, 2022 12:57 PM |
Yeah, the proof on the Pierre thread was irrefutable. Links to his Facebook with his real name and relatives posting, and posts he'd written where he was talking about what he'd said over here on DL. Then a link to the obituary with his name and relatives listed, matching those on his Facebook.
Poisoned Dragon is a troll, and I wish more people would recognize it. He's trying to deliberately hurt people with his Pierre posts.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | October 16, 2022 12:58 PM |
Pierre was the Christmas Moose as well as the conservative Catholic poster called "Xavier."
by Anonymous | reply 99 | October 16, 2022 1:00 PM |
"The Evening Punctuationist" (sp) entered my life when I was living through a rough patch, with a drunken fall, and he consoled me and helped me believe I could pull myself together. He just referred to me as 'Ohio' since that's how he knew me. I miss him very much, and I wish I'd be able to trade opinions and ideas with him now.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | October 16, 2022 1:11 PM |
PoisonedDragon's death will be greeted by indifference on the part of his fellow soulless cunts, and a touch of happiness on the part of those who've encountered his particular brand of totally unjustified arrogance. No-one will mourn.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | October 16, 2022 1:17 PM |
Oh that's right, he was the Evening Punctuationist, too.
I didn't care for his religious posts but there's a fake professor character on here who was scolding people the other day for using commas incorrectly, even though they didn't know how to use ellipses themselves, and I wished he was here to take them down a peg.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | October 16, 2022 1:20 PM |
R21 Well, at least he got to die (or at least live) in Half Moon Bay.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | October 16, 2022 1:30 PM |
This is why I don’t have pets because they’ll eat me when I die. I guess I could get fish though…
by Anonymous | reply 104 | October 16, 2022 1:51 PM |
I think when Defuckwad can no longer take care of itself then the seacow should have to move in with it and care for it.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | October 16, 2022 2:25 PM |
The evening punctuationist’s absence enriches DL.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | October 16, 2022 2:27 PM |