Woman abducted while on jog in Memphis, Tennessee, officials say

Husband, mistress, life insurance policy.

[quote]Husband, mistress, life insurance policy.

Or, faked for attention or GoFundMe.

People jog or run half-naked in places they'd never walk alone.

I used to run after dark, even starting fairly late, but I've aged out of it. It's not because I REALLY think anything is going to happen, but my sense of unease is greater, so why bother - I can run when it's light out in areas where others are or I can go to the gym after dark. I guess I will still run and walk in the dark during the height of winter - when it's dark very early. But then I'll got to a park where a lot of people are getting their walks and runs in relatively early.

My sweat repels all my molesters, R3.

[quote]People jog or run half-naked in places they'd never walk alone.

Oftentimes while listening to music that lessens their situational awareness.

r7 sounds truly lovely.

She's probably in a motel room two state lines away with a hotter guy than DH.

In Memphis? No. Memphis is a fun visit, and, yes, this could happen in a lot of places. But still, Memphis would put me extra on edge.

R7 will be proven correct, r8. She was a random opportunity for denizens of the urban night.

Could be another hoax.

4:30 actually seems safer to me than say from 11pm till 3 am. Just my hunch.

Something about this story stood out to me. Because people don’t just go around getting shoved into vans.

Upthread, someone upthread suggested that the kidnapper knew her, and that makes more sense than a random kidnapping in this fashion and at that hour.

She looks too old for a random raping/killing.

The kidnapper could have known her but at least he knew her routine.

Gang bangers are not up driving around at 4:30 in Memphis. That’s a good way to get pulled over. They know that.

R5 I think your sweat would go with a nice Chianti.

You made a BET joke?

Although the car that took her looks like a Mercedes suv in one shot.

This article is short and sweet.

She has two children; no husband mentioned. I wonder if they split recently.

She has the unfortunate face of a runner

I think people who jog or walk with headphones on are careless. I don't know if she had them on but it really cuts down your ability to hear things around you.

Black serial killer

She looks like Sherri Papini's crazy sister.

I'm getting Sherry Papini vibes from this.

Go back to Stormfront, r22.

If someone tries to 'force' you to walk somewhere, get in a vehicle, etc.- just drop to the ground. Your weight is your advantage; not many are going to drag you. Your legs are for kicking, your nails are for scratching (DNA) and your mouth is for screaming. That's all you have. They may taze you, knife you or shoot you anyway, but don't help them abduct you.

The worst thing you can do is the 'please don't hurt me I'll do anything you want'. You won't survive.

If they carjack you and make you drive, drive into another car or into a crowd. Floor it and drive 120 mph. Lay on the horn. Take the keys out of the ignition and throw them out the window.

Sick world

As someone said upthread, it could be someone who knows her route, maybe someone who passes her on their commute. There are always pervs around universities.

I hate stories like this. We should be able to go anywhere at any time and be at peace. God made a beautiful world and people keep fucking it up.

Rumor is that her husband was a coke head and cheating with the nanny. They were separated because she found out about it. And she recently came into a big inheritance.

It sounds as though the kidnapping was captured on surveillance cameras, so probably not a hoax.

R30 It sound as through the kidnapping was captured on surveillance cameras, so probably a big, staged hoax.

The theme of her wedding was "into the woods." Eek.

Remember the eyes 👀 on the runaway bride

^Some guy, somewhere, dodged that nightmare bullet

Uh oh

Credible or creditable?

The husband and the nanny have been brought in for questioning.

Eliza is an heiress to her family’s billion dollar hardware company.

R32 Yes but she has an overweight bridesmaid and one with glasses, so she doesn’t seem like a bridezilla.

Drive into a crowd to escape a carjacking? M'kay!

R32: The wedding piece is hilarious, with all the "product placement" and the stylist "formerly of Nieman Marcus" who came up from Atlanta, which I'm sure means he's the height of chic (the Nieman Marcus in Atlanta had huge signs for the different designers because the status seekers there are too dumb to recognize the real things; their other stores don't do that).

Not much info on Richie's background besides being a navy brat. The marriage sounds stormy. He tries to come across as churchy and they met at church. No mention of an occupation--only that he's a long distance biker and if his t-shirts are an indication, a crossfit cultist. The marriage sounds troubled, from its early days.

R32: She's prettier than anyone in her bridal party and the dresses make her overweight friend look gigantic--that's bridezilla enough. She always smiles the same way--showing off her dentistry. I wonder if there's a dentist in the family or is that some sort of horrible Southern upper class upbringing thing.

Richie was a crossfit instructor when they married and has had pretty low level jobs for the hubby of an heiress, without a real career trajectory. It sounds like he's a boat salesman now, He has a degree in "project management" (whatever that is) from a Southern Baptist university

Your link doesn't work, R43.

I'm calling it now: her husband is behind this. Either did it or had it done.

Eliza's grandmother died in late July and she was coming into a big inheritance. They had a very rocky marital history, including the husband being in rehab.

The Lifetime movie will air before his case even comes to trial.

R44: I Just tried it--it works. I'm guessing coke, but churchy types often have trouble with something as basic as liquor.

Her family are billionaires apparently so it seems like it’s a random thing. Cheap ass Fam only offering 50K for her .

I don't understand the posters who think every disappearance is Papini redux. The circumstances of this woman's life and disappearance, even before the unsavory rumors about the husband emerged, couldn't have been more textbook "Dateline" shithead spouse.

It's always the boyfriend or husband ex or otherwise

The family probably got his job with the millwork company (high end carpentry). His Coast Guard background must have gotten him into the boat business. I wonder if the rehab was between the millwork and the boat business. He seems to be older than her and would have been a bit old to be on the marriage market in the South.

I hope she isn't tied to the bed of some country inbred, having her pussy pillaged by his ponging pinga

Her exaggerated smile doesn’t travel to her eyes

What was up with the garden shears that police removed from the home.

4:30 am is very early and dark. You do hear of female jogger attacks in the middle of the day, in broad daylight or late afternoons. It can happen at any time and these criminals have gotten much bolder. You can even have people around...it doesn't seem to stop them.

In Simsbury, CT a female jogger was murdered at night, but don't even think it was that late. Turned out to be a guy in his twenties who worked at a gourmet grocery store.

R13, I did see someone get shoved into a van in Jersey City, and while rare, it does happen. I wrote about this before on Datalounge. It was in the winter, around 6:00 p.m. so it was already dark, but there were a lot of people on the street, which is one of the main drags right by the train station. A van pulled up to the left of me. Three guys jumped out of the van and grabbed a man who was walking less than 5 ft in front of me. They pulled him into the van and drove off. I stood there, stunned, and got my phone out to call 911. While I was talking to 911 I saw, right ahead of me, the van which had stopped at a red light. I was able to give 911 the van's license plate number and the direction where they were going. I always wondered what happened to that man and why he was kidnapped (there is no doubt it was a kidnapping) and if the police ever caught them. I looked and looked for about 2 weeks in the online city newspapers and I could find no mention of this incident. It's still upsets me and creeps me out.

I know murder is more serious than abduction, but if the husband really wanted his best chance at making this all work out - getting the money - then he should have had her killed point blank and not shoved into a car. Obviously, I'm not advocating for any of this, but how could this possibly work out if she returns at some point? She'll probably have to be killed anyway. Or she's already dead. This will be a good DL thread. I'm always fascinated at the delusions and desperation of criminals such that they really believe that it will all work out.

Men are disgusting, murderous pigs. They even kill their own kids if left to their own devices. Women…stop spreading your legs ffs! Leave these pigs to us gays and we will rehabilitate them into civility and a productive life.

Love you r57 😂

R57?

You can have ‘em all!

😂😂😂

[quote]If someone tries to 'force' you to walk somewhere, get in a vehicle, etc.- just drop to the ground. Your weight is your advantage; not many are going to drag you. Your legs are for kicking, your nails are for scratching (DNA) and your mouth is for screaming. That's all you have. They may taze you, knife you or shoot you anyway, but don't help them abduct you.

R25, I've actually put thought into this, and decided if I'm in a similar fix, I would channel my poor sweet three-legged yellow tabby who has epileptic seizures during which he drops, flops about, shakes in a crazed circle, gnawing at his one back foot, all while his bladder releases ALL the urine.

If they still want me after all that, I'll assume it's just my fucking time to go.

Coked up underemployed husband married to an heiress and having an affair with the nanny?

The wife is not merely dead, she's sincerely dead.

So from what I’ve learned, at least 2 people are involved in her kidnapping.

One driver, and the second person who grabbed her off the street.

Allegedly, the husband is shady AF, has a bad blow habit and owes some money to his dealers. He was allegedly banging the nanny, who’s 22.

She comes from a very wealthy, prominent family, & kicked the husband to the curb, due to his bad habit and cheating.

As soon as the TBI and FBI got involved, the investigation immediately focused on her home, and specifically, electronic devices and other items belonging to the husband, including his car.

The garden shears is odd. What do those shears have? Blood? Blood from a previous fight they may have had that turned physical?

Someone who was confided in, obviously stepped forward and spilled the beans regarding intimate details about this marriage.

Both nanny and husband have been questioned by multiple LEO agencies, and the husband lawyered up immediately.

This is probably not a random grab, & snatch/rape/murder scenario.

The command post is centered in her home. Which means this is probably a professional kidnapping.

The husband’s really shady looking. He seems very unconnected to her in all the photos I’ve seen. But I don’t believe he’s smart enough to pull this off.

Maybe people who he hangs out with, who deal him his drugs, are smart enough to pull this off.

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If the grandmother died in July, Eliza hasn’t received any inheritance money yet. It takes forever to put an estate through probate. Longer than two months, that’s for sure.

Keep in mind that people pair off with others of similar emotional development. This doesn't excuse the husband if he's the perp, but it helps set the stage.

They're both probably pretty superficial and unable to cope very well with stress or life's difficulties. He had his substance use problem, she probably had an eating disorder and/or obsessive exercise routine (they often go together). She was getting too old to be on the marriage market and he was outwardly presentable (conventionally good looking, fit, gainfully employed or so it would appear). She may have seemed too needy for the others in her social circle or perhaps she had a rebellious streak or poor judgement and tended to pick bums. The family probably wasn't too happy with him, but they probably also spoiled her and were willing too overlook his shortcomings because he made her happy and she wasn't getting any younger. She probably discovered there was a lot she didn't really know about him. Having money gave her power in the relationship (which she probably liked) but it also was emasculating. He probably liked being able to buy toys (like boats) and blow while not having to be too ambitious.

The separation and probable divorce upset all this. She had her family and her money on which to fall back. He would have lots of woes, especially if there were debts (drug or otherwise). Divorce is probably still a bit of a disgrace in some circles. Presbyterians were among the last of the big Protestant denominations to accept it (viewing it as a failure) and they belonged to a fundie-ish branch of the church. My Catholic relatives accepted divorce well before the Presbyterians. It's probably a big step for both of them and a big loss of face for her.

I haven’t seen any mention of the couple having children in any of the articles. Why would they have a nanny?

R7 do us all a favor and kill yourself miserable twat.

Her Daddy is an investment banker. Grandma probably set-up trusts and other tax shelters.

R68: They have two small children. It's in the articles that are endlessly linked on line, not to mention their social media.

R66, the DailyMail mentions it and shows a few photos of them with their towhead toddlers. She has a job “teaching junior kindergarten” (preschool), which probably explains why she was jogging so early in the morning.

Although why leave your kids with a nanny, just to go be a nanny somewhere else? I bet the nanny cost more than she was being paid. Why not just spend the time with your own kids?

I don’t get the kidnap angle, either. Why not just shoot her point-blank?

It is possible that this is a “Gone Girl” situation, which I would find immensely entertaining. I hope it is, because this lady doesn’t deserve what happened to her, otherwise.

Keith Morrison is already booking his ticket to Memphis.

She has that same rictus grin as Papini. I can’t help but wonder if she ran away.

The husband is HIDEOUS looking.

She could easily have found a more suitable partner.

He doesn’t even look like he’s into her in most photos.

He just looks like a party boy, hill billy type.

She probably thought she was in love because he made her laugh, or something stupid like that.

She definitely married down.

But the one thing that does strike me odd about her?

The way she smiles in photos.

WTF is that all about???

Also, I’m calling it. Due to the high profile buzz this case is immediately receiving, if she wasn’t set up for the kidnapping by her husband, she’s never going to be found, dead or alive.

Her house is in Central Gardens, which is the nicest part of Midtown Memphis (all things considered) and where she was kidnapped is several miles away. I guess if you were going jogging at 4:00 am, a busy road like Central Avenue would be the best option…but I just don’t see this being a random act. I talked to some friends in Central Gardens last night. Everyone is abuzz about it, and word was out already about him being a coke head and banging the nanny. She teaches at St. Mary’s, one of the most elite schools in Memphis.

For our Tasteful Friends, here is a house for sale around the corner from her house.

I think murders motivated by money and greed should be eligible for the death penalty.

How much money did he owed? Could they have kidnapped her for a ransom, thinking her family would pay?

So it wasn’t a dentist then?

I wonder if she refused to pay his debt, and he went in on a kidnapping scenario to pay off his debt plus interest, as well as getting more easy money to his dealers, and securing enough for himself, as well, from the ransom money.

It makes the most sense.

Right? Or nah?

[quote] I did see someone get shoved into a van in Jersey City

Wonder who did it?

Is this the same guy? He looks so different, even though it’s 7 years later. More meth than coke.

R64, the money must be from the grandfather’s estate. He died in summer 2021.

Sorry, didn’t see this posted at R32. But comment still stands. He looks like a meth head now.

My mistake. The rich grandpa died in May 2018.

If the husband had her kidnapped for ransom it's like the plot in Fargo. We need Francis McDormand on the case!

[quote]Francis McDormand

Oh, dear!

Grandpa Orgill pings to the moon, @ R84.

Good god r65. It must be tough going through life with such a bias for being so judgemental and having stereotypical beliefs about absolutely every minute detail.

There hasn’t been any report of a ransom demand so far.

Between her freakish smile and his fucked up right cheek dimple that looks more like a dent in his face, these two freak me out.

Someone on Facebook reported that she heard her body has been found.

He’s a psychologist, R88.

R91, can u please link?

TIA!

Wow yeah his appearance is completely different! But doesn’t coke cause weight loss too? Definitely not just an alcohol issue.

That guy has done some hard living in the last 7 years!

I read on FB that he works at the Memphis Boat Shop as a mechanic.

This is so fucking sad.

Now these two children have to grow up without their mom, and the husband is probably too fucked up to raise them responsibly, or will be in jail for the rest of his life, depending on how this all pans out.

I hope she’s not dead.

Horrible situation.

He's older than her and losing his hair, so he's going to show wear and tear. I wonder how long he had all the tats.

He's service manager at the boat place. He was a mechanic before he met her.

My Memphis friend who knows ALL the “society gossip” says that Orgill family has lots of scandals talked about among the Memphis Country Club set. Drunken prostitutes showing up at inconvenient times, unsuitable suitors being paid off, etc. Who knows what’s really true.

The $50,000 reward seems low if they are that rich.

R98 Oh, my god, her smile! What in the actual fuck?

Allegedly her body was found by the Brooks Museum

R98 It looks she's got a leaf blower aimed at her face.

R98 I came to say the same thing. Her dentist must love not having to put those dental Dam mouth opener things on her when she gets work done.

R74: That smile of hers alone alone would have scared off "suitable" mates. She probably was past the point where she could attract someone in her social set by the time she met Richie I'm guessing she had a coming out party, etc. and plenty of opportunities to hook up with someone "suitable". You don't need a 4 year degree to teach early childhood classes, so she might have washed out in college (no linkedin on her).

LOL R103!!!

R99 police usually push for a lower reward as the high reward that you’d think such a rich family would pay just brings out opportunists with fake tips flooding the police resources.

"Presbyterians were among the last of the big Protestant denominations to accept it (viewing it as a failure) and they belonged to a fundie-ish branch of the church."

1. Their church has a "Women in Ministry" section on its website. 2. She works at an Episcopal institution. Not fundie or even close, IMO.

The leaf blower comment has me 😂

So the husbands flowery social media posts during their anniversaries alludes to “recovery”. But is it just him or do they both have a problem? I read somewhere (I will never be able to find and link it now) that’s how they may have met.

R107: Her church (where she met Richie) part of the Evangelical Presbyterian Church, not the PCUSA which is the liberal wing of the Church.

In all seriousness, how absolutely fucked in the head AND out of options would you have to be to marry someone who smiles like her? I'm absolutely creeped out to the bottom of my soul by the picture at r98.

For the children's sake, I hope she's found alive but honestly...no more pictures.

Is it possible she was a lez? Str8 women all learn to smile in a come hither or demure way by their teens.

Richie was a boat mechanic in Coast Guard for four years. Now, dealership manager.

On his Instaposts that have been linked, there's mention of couples counseling as well as rehab and counseling which I assume were for him.

[quote] She was getting too old to be on the marriage market

WTF are these posters talking about her like she's grandma Moses? She's 34 for cryin out loud.

R112, well she WAS a soccer player at the U of Memphis…

That smile is “behavioural” too. It’s not solely facial structure. She could learn to smile in a way that is appropriate but does not.

She's a hard 34, though.

Agree r115. 34 now and was married in 2014 too.

Even if she was unmarried at 34, most people I know that age are still dating around and only starting to settle down.

R98, seems like he hasn’t always had them since they’ve been together. I’d be pissed if my husband transformed like he did.

Picture without tats in the link. Only one I could find.

She got married at like 26. Wtf are people taking about 😂 that she was ageing out.

She was 27 when she married which would be old maid territory in a Southern society family and it's not like she was getting a PhD in astrophysics that would have taken her out of that world.

Nanny’s name allegedly is Maria Maxwell.

Could this be related? Doubtful, but you never know.

She went to Baylor, then Belmont (fundie university in Nashville).

Fags are misogynists. She deserves death because of that freaking, creepy smile of hers.

R100, her teeth look like she’s also done hard drugs.

I don’t understand why she smiled like that. She looked absolutely nuts.

May she RIP. No one deserves something like this, no matter how nutty they appear in photos.

Smiles don't have gender.

I am not blaming her, but I wish women were more discerning when choosing a husband. She was an heiress for god's sake, she must have known men would be after her money. I also think of Brittany Murphy, if she had vetted her husband she would know he was a scumbag and would suck her dry. There is still so much pressure for women to marry a man, any man, even if they are wealthy themselves and don't need the financial support.

If she was at the end of a long run, she may have been a little loopy and also aware that she wasn't looking her best, so she decided to do a comedy smile.

No one is saying that r126 Are you new here? This place is famous for dark humour.

I agree, R129.

So many creeps out there.

I’d rather remain single, than to marry some creep, just for the sake of getting married and having a family.

Not that I’m at the age to have a family, now, but you get my drift.

Do I get lonely sometimes? Yes. But at least no one is planning my kidnapping because he owes money to his dope dealers.

What adult man goes by "Richie"? He looks like an incest baby. The 2 kids seem like aspies.

This was set up, no way it could be random. The reddit Citizen Websleuth Asshat Brigade is all over this one. Expect crazy, made up shit about this case to be flying everywhere. This poor woman is their new Gabby Petito.

This is what happens when women are told to “smile more”.

Imagine what absolute scum of the earth and pure filth that you must be, to kidnap a mom and her one year old child, as reported upon in the link @ R124?

Too lazy to look up comparative stats but doesn't this seem like a lot of kidnappings?

Three children were abducted in Whitehaven on Sept. 2 and were later found three miles away. A mother and her one-year-old were abducted last weekend near Wolfchase and forced to withdraw money from an ATM before being released. And on Aug. 18, two children were kidnapped and later recovered by police in South Memphis.

There have been at least 100 incidents classified as kidnapping in Memphis this year, according to public safety data posted on the city's website.

A lot of kidnappings or a very unmotivated serial killer.

Most of those incidents are non-custodial parents not returning kids when their visitation is over.

[quote] Im going to call it right now...she was kidnapped by black guys who just randomly saw her,then she was raped and killed. BET you.

And you’d be wrong. Yet again.

Seems high to me, r136.

Dark humor? Well, if you get fucked up your arse with a samurai sword, I’d double over laughing.

As if straight men should be “discerning” over choosing a wife that might overpower and kill him.

Everyone always assumes the husband first. Remember the woman who was murdered in her home while the husband (was he a pastor?) went for a jog? It turned out it was a burglary, but DL was convinced it was the husband and had a field day with that one.

[quote]At the time of her abduction, she was wearing a pink running top and purple shorts.

She may have been a fashion victim.

Anyone who remembers the 89s recalls the moral panic over "child abductions" which mostly are disgruntled parents in a custody fight or "missing children" who often were runaways or simply got lost.

She's a wealthy person in a bad marriage, the starting place for the investigation will be the husband. Unlike the Target incident, they didn't make her use the ATM. The subtle race baiting is a nice touch, but the husband is probably directly involved in some way.

Should be 80s.

I remember R143. That was Pastor Danny Blackburn. I still believe he had something to do with his wife’s murder.

How weird to be wealthy and choose to live in Memphis. Reminds me that many wealthy people are really sheltered.

R148, not if she grew up there.

Being wealthy in the Midwest and the south is very different than being wealthy in LA or NYC.

Lots of cities have retained wealthy enclaves and/or have inner suburbs that have more troubled neighbors: San Antonio, Columbus, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, and St Louis come to mind. Memphis in general seems pretty unattractive to me.

Red state shit.

Wow r141. You are cray cray. To even compare that to posts where people are talking about her teeth is pretty disturbed of you.

My wife and I live over in Uptown Memphis.

Memphis has an unmerciful crime rate on all fronts and there is also a great deal of poverty here.

My wife is not allowed to walk to work over at Saint Jude's because it's too dangerous even though it's really close to where we live. I put my foot down on that.

I'm really tall and have studied Kung Fu for ages and would not jog anywhere in Memphis at 4 in the morning. Central Gardens is beautiful but the poor dear should have bought a treadmill.

That Episcopalian Church made mention of upthread is very liberal. They do a very great deal for the homeless and those in need with no questions asked. I'm not of that religion but I'm just saying.

This is a Keith Morrison type situation here. But, crimes are here 24/7. I dunno. This is fishy and is being heavily put out there on the news because of the family involved.

That's all very nice, R153, but have you studied the ancient Japanese art of Unagi?

This is sad and unfortunate. I hope she is found alive. I thought she looked happy in her wedding photos.

[quote]She was 27 when she married which would be old maid territory in a Southern society family

Welcome, time traveler from 1890.

She's grimacing in the op pic, not smiling. All of the tendons in her neck are tensed.

If I had to guess, she's run off with her BF or GF and arranged to disappear.

Are there psych meds that make one grimace or smile this way?

R157, she wouldn't leave her kids behind with her husband.

I hope she hasn't wandered off with one of her students.

sorry to say, a case with a photo of a woman smiling (grimacing) in a similar way ended badly. At the time the pic was taken, she was in a marriage with an abusive husband who later killed her, their child and himself.

Pic, please!

Have to laugh at all the crazy theories about why she was kidnapped. In over 90% of the cases, it's the partner.

She obviously did not avail herself of cosmetic surgeries.

It’s a little surprising to me that the police have not issued n update or press conference. Especially since the fbi reportedly was called in almost right away ( likely due to the wealthy family). All the news reports that come up in my google search are close to 24 hours old. Also, the first thing family and friend like to do are those organized search parties. None of that seem to have developed either.

Are there any local Tennessee folks here that can talk about recent local reports?

A few typos above. Oops.

R165, spot on regarding your insights.

Bottom line?

The cops know who did, but the person who did it ain’t talking and right now, they’re attempting to negotiate with the person who is responsible, but the person isn’t budging.

So they’re now at a stage of attempting to recover any evidence in order to recover a body.

Hate to be so grim, but the odds are high that this won’t end well.

The majority of straight men have a toxic, stressful, aggressive vibe,.

R167- Sadly you are right. I do not think it will end well either.

R168 = angry lez

From grandpappy’s obit: “He enjoyed spending time in Charlevoix, MI”.

This will have a happy enough ending. Mark my word.

if they don't find her body I'm going to guess that the husband "sold" her to pay off his debts.

R170: any neural observer can tell that there is something REALLY wrong with many men.

He didn't recently rent a wood chipper, did he? 🪵

[QUOTE]My wife is not allowed to walk to work over at Saint Jude's because it's too dangerous even though it's really close to where we live. I put my foot down on that.

Is this during the day or at night?

R174. Thankfully Not the case in my world. I feel bad for you!

^ meant for r173

If a hundred people have been abducted in the last year in Memphis, how many were found safely and or the criminals apprehended? How many were women (let’s not get down to race just yet)? Is there a possibility there is some sort of organized crime / trafficking ring operating in Memphis and this time they grabbed someone with a high profile family?

Maybe they were pimps and her smile/grimace gave them ideas about her oral abilities...

[quote] he was outwardly presentable (conventionally good looking

I disagree. He's not good-looking, IMO.

He's actually really ugly

Well so far hubby hasn’t turned up on camera crying and pleading for her safe return. So maybe he doesn’t have anything to do with it.

No he hasn’t because he’s lawyered up already.

[quote]UPDATE: the vehicle of interest has been located and a male who was occupying the vehicle has been detained. Eliza Fletcher has not been located. This is an ongoing investigation. Anyone with information should call CrimeStoppers at 901-528-CASH.

[quote] My wife is not allowed to walk to work over at Saint Jude's because it's too dangerous even though it's really close to where we live. I put my foot down on that.

Not allowed?

[quote] I thought she looked happy in her wedding photos.

Everybody looks happy in wedding photos. I noticed she wasn't doing the "full" smile, though, in the wedding photos.

R183 😂😂😂

I'm surprised no one has speculated on the role of the nanny. Especially if Richie is banging the nanny, she might have supplied the abductors (friends/family). She also may be deluded enough that she could spend the rest of her life with Richie.

He hasn't made an on camera appeal because either he or his lawyers know these sorts of things invite scrutiny. And he already has a reputation so he doesn't want the added attention. It didn't work out well for Chris Watts or Scott Peterson.

However, I would expect a relative or family spokesperson to address the public. That doesn't appear to have happened. It makes me think there are already persons of interest being questioned or LE are fairly certain who the perpetrators are.

They both put so much info about their marriage problems and drug problem on social media. He called her a "hot babe" and a "hawtty." He seemed like a poser.

Pic of him from today in this article.

So weird they found the car and man in it but not her yet. Ugh. This hopefully doesn’t mean she was killed and dumped somewhere.

What Nanny? We don't even know if they have one. Where are you getting this info?? What's your source on this Nanny r188?? Junior Citizen Detectives of Reddit?

[quote]However, I would expect a relative or family spokesperson to address the public. That doesn't appear to have happened.

It has now.

R192 Maybe she IS the man and is living her best trans life!

TRAAAANS!!!!

Is that the husband on the left? He looks like he's still on coke.

Tweaker.

The lady from the first 48 is the one on the case apparently

The husband seems sketchy. I hope they find her alive, but my guess is that he hired someone to off her.

Is she really on the case? That would be awesome.

He looks very guilty.

Apparently. According to locals.

The father(on the left) looks like he doesn’t know where he is.

I’ve been on the track of assuming the husband did it too. But, with a city that has that kind of problem with abductions and her unfortunately being alone at that time of night, I think the odds may go up ever so slightly that this might be a stranger abduction.

Pastor Davey absolutely hired those kids to shoot his pregnant wife. They were facebook friends for Christ's sake.

Pray for her safety!!

Most news outlets have not picked up at all on the update about finding the car or the family going on the news. Perhaps they are afraid of giving it coverage for fear or looking like they are favouring white victims.

My mom used to get out super early like that (5:00 a.m.) to do exercise walking. It was a safer neighborhood, though. When she told me she was listening to music (earphones), I asked her to stop doing that. Not sure if she continued on with her earphones.

Early morning (before work, before kids wake up) is the best time to get some exercise in.

But maybe just use a treadmill at that hour when you live in a dangerous city.

If that's the husband on the right he was touching his face a lot. When the uncle said "if anyone knows anything about what happened to Liza" hubby's hand flew up to his face immediately, covering it. That's a tell. He's guilty. Fry the bastard.

He was very fidgety. The guy on the far right who sounds like her brother was comforting him though. Arm around his back, patting his shoulder.

The poor mom. She looks crushed.

The guy directly to the right of the speaker is the husband. And yes his body language was suspicious. Almost certainly he did it but you never know.

430am is closer to the middle of the night than early morning. It's hard for me to imagine some attacker being alert, ready, and hyped up enough to abduct someone he just came upon at that hour. Can't be random.

#findLizsha

His mannerisms were quite different from the rest of the family. I know odds are it has to do with him, But that city sounds like a disaster for crime and abduction.

I don’t know why people are saying a criminal wouldn’t strike if he had the opportunity like that because they wouldn’t be out at that hour. Most stranger related assaults where I come from are precisely in those wee hours when someone is alone and vulnerable and others aren’t around. At that hour most people aren’t up to any good.

She was abducted in plain sight.

They found the car and the man the car is registered to. He is being questioned.

Yes. We know ^

[quote] Most stranger related assaults where I come from are precisely in those wee hours when someone is alone and vulnerable and others aren’t around. At that hour most people aren’t up to any good.

I agree. Sometimes it's right before dawn that the psychos get desperate, like last call. I think hubby did it though.

I read this bitch is rich! motive has to be $$$$

The resolution is higher when you click through to Twitter. If you watch the video in fullscreen there, you can see the husband squeeze his eyes shut to force out a tear that's lingering in his left eye. I realize people react in different ways, but it looked very performative, as if a tear that didn't roll down his cheek on camera was a wasted tear.

Also, her father looks cachectic; particularly when compared to the wedding photos.

Cachectic?

You’re an idiot R220

Are we SURE that's not Chuck Todd @R98?

So what are the odds that the person knew she was the granddaughter of a billionaire? The husband looks sketchy I agree. Is he in on it or just a dick in some other way.

Cachetic is what happens when your catatonia gets soooo hectic!

She’s running at 4:30 am - she’s a tweaker like the husband.

R226, I believe she may have been at one point, but let’s get real, tweakers only run when the police are chasing them.

Also, anyone know if the separation rumors are true?

Dataloungers discusses joggers being singleminded even irrational about running.

Husband, nanny, money.

Why is someone from a bad neighborhood picking up a white woman jogger to rape (or SEX TRAFFIC!) when there are easier targets and you don’t have to risk going to a nice neighborhood where people care?

Also, there had to have been two people doing the abduction.

Do we know there's a nanny? I hope so, there should always be a nanny.

Hubby hired two guys from the wrong side of town, told them to kill her, and then will pose as the heart-broken spouse.

What a dick.

They have detained a suspect.

Husband did seem off in video, maybe it's related to a debt he owes and not directly done by him. He knows something and is scared.

Ooh good point R233. Maybe he owes some money to bad people and they took her as collateral.

Hope I’m wrong, but if they apprehended a suspect and raided their apartment and she’s not found, then she’s probably a goner.

Dead as a mackerel.

[quote] 430am is closer to the middle of the night than early morning.

Depends on your perspective. I've lived in places where the sun was up really early. I was into tanning and now have to watch my sun exposure & had to get a suspicious mole (Mary!) removed.

Also, some people do shift work.

If you live in a safe neighborhood, it's probably OK to get out there at 4:30 am for a walk or a run.

Imagine if Anne Heche had chosen to go running that day instead...

You’re trying to write the only possible narrative in your mind but it’s not necessarily correct. And by the way, slight blonde white women are prime targets for trafficking. I’m not saying that’s the situation here but you would suck as an investigator because you try to close on details you have no knowledge of.

The above was for r229’s shrill and idiotic post.

Sherri Papini, also with a toothy smile, was a more believable abductee for human trafficking.

It's probably a Fred Tokars situation. A scummy lawyer who paid his coke dealer to find two borderline retarded hoodrats to kill wife in suburban Atlanta. Pastor Davey did the same thing

Why wouldn’t they ‘hoodrats’ sing once they were caught?

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[quote] Good god [R65]. It must be tough going through life with such a bias for being so judgemental and having stereotypical beliefs about absolutely every minute detail.

People aren’t that unique r88, you’ll see.

Damn you gotta love the daily mail for getting details out first!

Good god r225. You’d still make a shitty investigator.

That’s some bad luck for the suspect to crash the vehicle used in the kidnapping into an ATF truck.

Charles Adelson, the Florida dentist who hired hitmen to kill his sister's ex-husband, is finally charged. (He was trying to help his sister with her child custody case vs. ex-husband.) Happened in 2014. Seems like everybody in the scheme was hauled into court except him, the dentist.

This case was made for Dateline. Right down to the obligatory line: “…referred to Fletcher as a person whose 'smile brightens every room she enters.' “

The friends said she was "natural-looking" or something like that.

Where is she?

Husband looks like hes completely out of it. Could be drugs,could be guilt,could be he just isnt coping well. Hes ugly as sin,but Im thinking hes got a huge cock .It has to be that,cause it sure wasnt his face. She doesnt smile in pics,she bares her teeth like an pissed of animal.

Stinks the daily mail is scrubbed here, their site has great pics

You can still post links to the Daily Mail. Just put your comment in a different post.

We’re there witnesses to the abduction or was it caught on surveillance?

Caught on surveillance. If there were also witnesses, the cops have not told the public.

The husband reminds me of Kevhead from tumblr, who indeed does have a big ol' dong.

No one breaks stories or gets better pics than the daily mail. But apparently datalounge moderators think datalounge is too good for the daily mail. Even though they allow porn to be posted 😂

I think the animosity may be due to hotlinking / which website has to host the preview image.

R194 Jeezus. That picture of her behind them is frightening. Is that the best they could find?

Cops had a standoff at an apartment with one of the suspects. I TOLD you bitches who did it.

The husband looks like Seth Meyers in that photo @r42.

Here's a better pic of her.

DM’s headline is all over the place. Was the suspect apprehended or is there a standoff? Is there an additional suspect?

Nothing in the link r264

interesting, more cops and military personal showed up to apprehend a suspect in this case than those responding to a terrorist attack on j6

This is midway between the site of her abduction and the Lakes at Ridgeway; a ten-minute drive to each.

I think it could’ve been random. I live in Brooklyn and women walk alone all hours of the night.

She dead.

She lives in crime riddled Memphis, did she think she was the only one out at 4:30 a. m.?

Aha! Caught a frau!

Eliza Fletcher is in her mid-30s, already had children and is a muscled stringy runner type. Nobody wants that for a sex slave. There are dumb teenagers who go willingly - in bad neighborhoods, where people are afraid to call police. Why go to all the trouble of abducting an affluent woman forcibly, just to turn her out?

Someone abducted her because they were paid to get her and kill her. Or they wanted to rape and kill her for fun. She’s not being held in a motel for sex commerce. That makes zero sense.

R245, if you’re r65, I don’t think you’re wrong or crazy. We shall see. But this one stinks; I think it’s the husband, but it could be a Papini. Most likely the husband hired some dumb crooks.

Gentlemen, here’s his Strava profile pic.

Look at them cum gutters. Is that for the ladies? Or…

Tisha Campbell maintains that she was recently almost trafficked for sex. It can happen to any woman.

Traffickers look for younger women who don't look like pure gristle.

Papini (Sherri) was nuts. This woman didn't seem nuts.

R278- Wasn't money the motive in that one?

R279, No, dick was the motive in that one. Sherri traveled far to spend weeks, hunkered down in some guy's apartment. He spilled the beans about how he branded her.

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Oh god, with the “sex trafficking”, LOL. Middle-aged women get really whipped into a frenzy by the concept.

I read that clothes marching the description of her rubbing clothes were found in a dumpster behind a McDonald’s.

[quote] her rubbing clothes

Are those the clothes one would wear while touching oneself... down there?

So two dumb fuckers who had zero idea who she was abducted, raped and killed her for kicks?

Sad, but it happens.

Psychopaths aren’t usually as smart as YouTube makes them out to be.

Is the death penalty available in TN?

I’m against it, except when I’m FURIOUS that shit like this still happens in a country that has enough money and resources, to be beyond this bullshit.

It’s horrifying that so many men see women as disposable objects, and it’s one of the main reasons I barely listen to rap music anymore, as it usually promotes women as nothing but disposable hoes.

R268 linked to a Twitter account that claims clothes were found at a McDonalds dumpster, but so far no one else has reported that.

The dumpster is taped off, apparently (because of the clothing), and they’re searching apartments where the person who owns the GMC SUV lives…?)

The referenced tweets by @Ripple1026, an ABC24 cameraman, plus a new photo from the McDonalds:

[quote]This has more of a command post, staging area feel to me but I could be wrong. Heavy rain just pushed into the area as well.

[quote]This is next to McDonald's and has a staging area/command post feel to me. Working to learn more

[quote]We have not been able to confirm evidence related to abduction has been found. But it is possible the law enforcement presence is related to the investigation and not far from the apartment complex where a vehicle matching the discrimination was towed.

^Shit - that was already in the Daily Fail link above. Sorry!

Then the fail was yours R286. Thank goodness for the Daily Mail

Ha! I know. They’re awful, but they’re really good at stories like this!

That Twitter feed says they are having maintenance open all empty apartments at the complex. So they are going door to door obviously.

I’m surprised there is no tv station camera feed around any of this. What’s up with that Memphis??

I can’t figure out why they were searching Overton Park last night. It’s not anywhere around any of these other places of interest. Maybe a bad tip.

My bet is now that it is not the husband paying for this killing. If her clothes have been found but not her this sounds like a sex assault situation. Unless it’s staged to look like that but the husband doesn’t look smart enough and likely he’d just have her shot and the shooter take off fast if he wants to get rid of her.

R239: No one traffics middle aged women. White slavery mostly exists in imaginations. Most abductions involve people known to the victim.

Richie looks twitchy in that video--more likely withdrawal than anxiety.

Why are people obsessing on trafficking example comments. It was meant to point out that one has to be open to multiple Avenues of investigation. It wasn’t a hardline opinion about this case but an example thrown out. Jesus, you frauen really get ocd about things.

R278: That smile of hers should convince you otherwise. My guess is that is that if Richie is a mess that she is, too.

I could see Hugh Jackman trafficking middle aged women.

It wasn’t clear to me about the “drug recovery” thing. Early one an article stated they were both in recovery.

I hope they don't have to use dental records to identify her.

😂 *

R296: It's a dumb avenue, that's why people are piling on.

R300- Damnit , I laughed at that.

You mean you were r302 as you’re the one writing all the hyper reactions to it.

So what about the nanny? They probably had one, if they both had jobs. I tried looking for a profile on FB but wouldn’t it be gone already?

Great.

Black dudes fuck over their race, yet again.

Why are they going door to door? Did two men force their way into someone’s apartment and force the occupants to hide the white lady?

R307- Looking for her body in an empty apartment, I would guess.

If it was a random abduction they probably dumped her in the woods or something. Why would they dump her at their apartment complex?!

R309- Idk unless she was alive and when the police got too close they killed her and quickly hid her body in a temporary place. She could still be alive and is being kept in an empty apt or an accomplice may be hiding out in one. 🤷‍♀️. Just speculation.

If they are searching the empty apartments then that would lean me away from the shady husband.

If he is not responsible, he just hit the mega lottery. He went from being a shop mechanic to to the big times.

Those rental apps will unlock apartments to be viewed or it could have been a maintenance man who has keys to the open apartments.

[quote]If he is not responsible, he just hit the mega lottery. He went from being a shop mechanic to to the big times.

Why? He doesn't get any of her family's money. She didn't even have it yet.

^ does it matter

Something about this seems off.

If this was some random sicko, why would the be so audacious and risky?

I will be shocked if this turns out to be the case. But the random apartment thing is making me think it could be.

There will be a trust for the kids and it will be administered by one of her family members.

Some of you like r315 are basically asking why nut jobs would act like nut jobs.

Well he’s getting some money one way or another unless he’s guilty.

Maybe he seems so shifty because he is happy to be in his situation.

We will either know soon or we will never know. That seems to be the way it goes.

R312 it’s a major police investigation and you are focused on whether it was a maintenance man or if the police are getting in because the apartments might be open for viewing. 🙄🫠

Damn. I hope she's alive and just smoking crack somewhere. Her kids are so cute. If someone dumped her clothes in a McDonald's dumpster, they're on camera. They don't want to pay for someone putting their mattress in their dumpster

Crime of (4am) opportunity. Seems to have made tons of mistakes.

The family lawyer is also the husband’s lawyer. He hasn’t lawyered up on his own. Other than being a recovering alcoholic /addict who would probably get some money in the divorce anyway via prenup, I don’t think there’s a ton of stuff linking him that has been shared so far.

Hell, I don't like to go out at 4:00 PM now. Too much random violence, too many mentally unstable people out there. Jogging alone at 4:00 AM really does sound like something someone on meth would do. Just saying.

Seems like a lot of work to get some old lanky lean flat chested dried up gamey gash that’s already had multiple children and scant backside. She has the figure of mr salty.

(Yes I’m one of the people mentioned upthread who despises runners)

But I hope they find her alive. maybe tied up in a basement or hiding out in the woods.

Whoever did this was an idiot. Just sloppy as hell.

It can definitely just be a random crime of opportunity. Like what happened to this poor girl a few months ago.

Terrible r326. From a Walmart of all places.

Hers was a really sad story, R327. She had just moved there to get some stability because she was a military brat or something. She was planning on going to college, if I remember correctly, and was on her way to work when she was abducted at 5am. There are all sorts of deviants out there at all times. So the husband might be shady in this case, but I’m not convinced this wasn’t random.

If the abduction was caught in camera, why haven’t they released a pic of the perp?

[quote]UPDATE: The individual who was detained has been officially charged in connection with the abduction of Eliza Fletcher. At this point in the investigation, Cleotha Abston, 38, has been charged with Especially Aggravated Kidnapping and Tampering with Evidence.

[quote]Eliza Fletcher has not been located at this time. MPD Investigators and officers, along with our local and federal partners, continue searching for Mrs. Fletcher.

[quote]A second individual, currently not believed to be connected to Fletcher's abduction, was also arrested during this investigation.

[quote]Mario Abston, 36, was charged w/ Possession of a Controlled Substance w/ Intent to Manufacture & Sell Fentanyl, Possession of a Controlled Substance w/ Intent to Manufacture and Sell Heroin, & Convicted Felon in Possession of a Firearm During the Commission of a Dangerous Felony.

[quote]This remains to be an active and ongoing investigation. We continue to ask for assistance from the community. If anyone has any information concerning this investigation, they should call CrimeStoppers at 901-528-CASH.

Cleotha was kidnapping people at gunpoint when he was sixteen.

[quote]Sixteen months after he was kidnapped at gunpoint and thrown into the trunk of his car, attorney Kemper Durand watched with some regret last week as two juveniles involved in the case were given prison sentences.

[quote]Durand was walking to his car around 2 a.m. on May 25, 2000, after attending a par ty on Beale Street when a lone gunman walked up behind him, took his wallet, and forced him into the trunk. The abductor, Cleotha Abston, drove around and picked up friends then, after about two hours, escorted Durand into a Mapco station to withdraw money from an ATM. A uniformed Memphis Housing Authority officer entered, Durand yelled that he had been kidnapped, and the kidnappers ran away.

[quote]On Monday, Abston pled guilty just before he was scheduled to go to trial and was sentenced to 20 years in prison without parole. He had earlier turned down an offer of 15 years on the same charge but, according to Durand, told the court Òhe did not want to sign his name giving himself the time.Ó Abston has a long juvenile record of theft and aggravated assault.

Ah, so that's why she was out jogging at 4:30.

Is this a drug deal gone bad or something?

This is how "especially aggravated" is defined...

When a kidnapping is committed in one of the following circumstances, it becomes especially aggravated kidnapping:

Accomplished with a deadly weapon or something that a victim would reasonably believe is a deadly weapon;

Where the victim is under the age of 13;

Committed to hold the victim for a ransom or reward;

Committed to use the victim as a shield or hostage; or

Where the victim suffers serious bodily injury.

Especially aggravated kidnapping is a Class A felony punishable by 15 to 60 years in prison and a maximum fine of $50,000.

Cleotha.

What a surprise.

Cops need to be free to torture animals like this. Someone needs to put a knee to his neck. Maybe then he'll confess where she is. Can't do that though, because in 2022 black criminal lives matter more than white innocent lives.

Racist assholes. Remember the biggest killers of all -- Putin, Trump -- are white.

STFU.

Not counting Mao, Gengis, Hirihito, Shaka, ISMAIL ENVER PASHA of Turkey, Pol Pot Saddam etc

Genghiz slaughtered 11% of the then human race in just a few years, Modern ecologists praise his direction to offset global warming..

^^^Waaaaaah! But.....but....but, what about.....?

Oh, well then, R338. Since you're keeping score, thug scum Cleotha has a lot more killing to do to keep up. Cops should let him go so he can menace more innocent people.

Anyone have the dates Cleotha served his 20-year sentence for the prior kidnapping? Was he just released? Wonder who his accomplice was.

Looks like the hubby isn’t involved and it’s another Sherry Arnold/Molly Tibbett’s random abduction of a lone female jogger by psychopathic filth.

This poor lady.

And so many of you were blaming the husband and coming up with bullshit about the nanny.

R342 Hubby and nanny aren't in the clear yet.

Oh and what was the other thing? Right, she’s a sherry papini. And a criminal wouldn’t have the energy to be bothered with kidnapping someone so early in the morning.

Right r343. Keep hanging on.

I'll be happy for his kids if the husband didn't arrange it (or didn't owe the perpetrators money). People suspect the spouse because that's usually who is involved, especially when factors like money are in play, never mind the rumors about drugs, infidelity and troubled pasts. That doesn't mean crimes of opportunity and random acts of violence don't also exist. All of those things are far more common than hoaxes.

Lololol, R198; I was just about to post if Maj. Caroline Mason is on the case it's about to blow up.

She's a seriously good murder detective/closer.

Which is what I was saying all along. I know that stats and chances are it could be the husband but Memphis is a very dangerous city with a hundred kidnappings a year. If some of the keystone cops on this thread were in the Memphis police force the husband and nanny would be in jail right now while this convicted felon with a history of abductions makes it across 10 state lines.

That story about the poor Nevada teenager is so horrible. How come that wasn’t national news? And she was just going to work while this fool was out jogging in a bra and short shorts at 4am.

Because the media is bowing to the whiners who say they only talk about missing white women.

Now that a black guy has been arrested they will drop reporting this case like a hot potato

I do wonder if she out at 4 AM trying to score drugs for her husband? R348- Everyone, including police , suspect the husband first because they are usually involved. The husband/bf/so are the number one suspects until and unless they can be cleared. That is SOP in these cases.

I wonder if the perp is a dealer and kidnapped the wife to send the husband a message about his debts.

Give it up r351. Everyone knows the stats. Read the thread. We know that fucking stats. You are starting to sound desperate in your need to blame the victim or the husband.

R352: The husband isn't entirely in the clear at all. He could have hired his drug dealer to get rid of her, anything is possible.

Let’s watch and see r354.

R353- Desperate? Are you fucking high or are the women hating troll who likes to suck the decaying dick of OJ Simpson? Mommy didn't wuv you and it is the fault of all females on the planet, boo-fucking-hoo. FF and blocked.

There are 3 other active missing person cases in Memphis right now. A little boy, a teenage girl, and another adult woman. But they are all black, so no international news stories for them.

It would be a stupid theory r354 since he could have just shot her and taken off vs a messing abduction inna car with no trunk and and throwing clothes around the city. But for those hanging onto hope it was the big bad husband because he was maybe fucking the nanny, let’s wait and see

There is nothing in my posts that suggest I am a woman hater. R353. You’ve pulled that out of nowhere.. in fact you are the woman hater since you are victim blaming. Glad you blocked me though. Hopefully that means I won’t have to read your tantrums and stupidity any longer.

It will be very interesting to know if he just grabbed her off the street because of opportunity or if he knew who she was and that her family is rich.

R357- They aren't from a rich family so they do not count. Only the rich matter in this world.

Especially if those rich have children. Then they are elevated above the girl mentioned upthread who went missing at Walmart.

R351 = fucktard of the week

Which do you suppose makes a deplorable neuropathic foot pain tingle more? When a black guy kills a white woman or when a "good guy with a gun" thwarts a mass shooter?

Exactly r363, And R351 is the same fucktard as r356.

How could one person get her in the car, and drive away, while keeping her from jumping out of the vehicle, unless he pistol whipped her into unconsciousness? This guy's MO is a trip to the nearest ATM. So much of this doesn't make sense.

You guys are right. The husband has major BDF.

R366, A man can almost always overpower a woman with just force. He could’ve punched her, used chloroform, who knows. His MO with a male victim is the ATM, he wasn’t after money with this woman. Cars also have those locks on the driver’s side that lock the locks of the doors. Sounds like the brother is a meth dealer, would think he was involved, but they’re saying no right now.

Chloroform? He could have knocked her out with one punch. But I’m not disagreeing. I think he has an accomplice; someone who was driving. And I haven’t cleared the husband, although it’s looking less likely. Husband could have hired them, Pastor Davey-style.

Of the husband owes the other one, the drug cook, money.

And whatever the case, my sympathy lies with Liza, who didn’t deserve whatever happened to her. I love the hoax stories, but this doesn’t seem like one. We haven’t heard about previous disappearances or other stunts she’s pulled for attention, and these people usually do. If anything, it seems the husband is off the rails.

Women and especially young white women should never jog alone at 4:30am or after dark. An abductor knows they can't fight for shit. Easy prey. Now some of these Jenny from the block types will cut a bitch.

Well, in the summertime especially, no one thinks of 4:30am as "after dark," but rather "before sunrise."

It’s never really safe for women at any time. This woman and another right after in MA were jogging during the day.

Sidenore: DL was sure she was an escort because of her vacation pictures and the murder was tied to that. Obviously the DL was off the mark as usual.

Cleotha? What a stupid fucking name.

Bullshit, R351.

As well as to you other mouth breathers on here blaming her for her own abduction, and most probably, her own demise.

You all know why this shit happened. Because there are PLENTY of fucked up, straight white and black men, as well as men from ALL races, who are too fucked up to see women as valuable human beings, and instead, see them as nothing but stupid bitches who deserve what they get, when harm befalls them.

You fucked up trolls come on to a gay website, to wage war against women. You’re sick, and need to grow the fuck up.

And what’s even worse, is that many of you here who do this, are straight incels, who blame women because you made decisions to live your lives behind keyboards and computer screens, eating shitty food, and became fat fucks who smell like sewage, when in fact, you’re too lazy and socially inept, to get the fuck up, groom yourselves and hit the mother fucking gym, or do something that takes MAJOR discipline like this poor lady was doing, by training for a marathon, which you cunts will NEVER do, unless one day you get struck over the head by lightning or suffer some brain injury, which drastically changes your personalities.

She didn’t deserve this. She wasn’t looking for this. She, like MANY women who get up super early to commute to work, or exercise and commute to work later, was attempting to live a normal, healthy life, and fulfill her goals and dreams.

The villain here is the man, who without an ounce of forethought or moral/ethical character, decided to jump out of his car in a split second, and wreck the life a woman who had ambitions, while wrecking the lives of her kids and family, as well.

Stop blaming women who are good and decent people, for becoming victims to the lowest of low men out there.

Grow the fuck up.

Grow some empathy, like you grew your assured gut, after years of eating nothing but pure shit.

Yep. I’m mad. I’m sick of men coming on here and all over the internet, constantly attempting to shit on women just because they can’t fuck one, or think that they’re somehow stealing dick from gay men who aren’t mentally healthy enough, to understand that straight men can’t help wanting to be sexually active with women, which is why they’re straight!

Fuck any of you here who cannot set aside your bullshit, and have some compassion for a lady you’ve never met, yet most assuredly went through fucking hell, for the last few hours of her life.

R377 It's literal violence!

That poor,stupid woman. Im sure her last hours were terrifying. May she rest in peace,and may they put these stains on humanity away for the rest of their hopefully short lives. Its funny but ive been saying for years that the PTB want us to be afraid of brown people 1000s of miles away yet Im way more afraid of the homegrown sociopaths we seem to bred. Until black people own the fact that a small segment of their population are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crimes they will never reach the place they want to be. That hasnt got shit to do with racism and everything to do with a lack of humanity.Something is very wrong with young black men.Not all of them,of course but way too many .

It wasn't until my dog was sick and had to pee constantly, and I was regularly outside with her at 4 am, that I realized how many of my neighbors run and cycle at odd hours. Especially in the summer, it's the best way to beat the heat.

The POS was already trying to clean the car at 7:50am, and the cops found blood in the car.

R377- Please spare us your false moralizing. This is probably a murder case now and this is what people do, they SPECULATE on what happened until they know for sure. If it offends you then just skip this thread. Their drug use has been posted here repeatedly. If one chooses to indulge in illegal drug use there are well known possible consequences and dangers from it , just as a woman jogging at 4:30 AM is quite aware of the danger of her decision to do so.

Memphis is a dangerous shithole

R377 why are you on DL if you hate men so much? Jesus Christ. I can comment on the stupidity and entitlement of a blonde white woman jogging around in a bra and tiny shorts at 4:30AM in Memphis without you hysterically lecturing me about how women have the right to do whatever they want and how DARE anyone say otherwise. In a perfect world sure. In reality - not the case. Everyone (not just women) take precautions. And if they don’t - they put themselves at risk. It’s horrible but it’s true.

RIP if she’s dead. Very sad.

R383- It is that way everywhere now, imo. It is a very dangerous world with the desperate, the mentally ill , and the psychopaths who prey upon us all.

You are incredibly stupid R372 and racist, I know some white chicks who are built, strong, and have karate belts. So shut the fuck up.

R384: for a blonde white woman to be jogging in a “bra and tiny shorts”, also known as workout gear, at 4:30 am is not “entitlement”. I don’t think you understand what that word means.

Also, you misogynists need to make up your mind, either women “hate” men by having to think of them as potential rapists/murderers and live their life accordingly, or they don’t, and if they get hurt/killed in their fault because they MUST know that men will murder them if they jog at 4:30 am.

About two years ago I received information from a broker about a delightful home half an hour south of Memphis. It has been too long to recall details but the home was an architectural delight, fairly new construction, and with about 20 acres of mostly flat land and forest. The only issue was proximity to Memphis.

R387- Yes it is her fault that she placed herself in such a dangerous and vulnerable position and I say that as a woman. Whoever kidnapped her and possibly killed her is ultimately to blame, but let's not pretend that jogging at 4:00 AM alone wasn't a very reckless decision on her part. Are we not allowed to hold people responsible for their decisions now?

Financial question:

If Eliza is no longer alive, and it’s true that Eliza’s grandmother bequeathed Eliza money through a will that is in probate, will the inheritance eventually go to Eliza’s husband?

Does my question make sense? If Eliza had not yet received any inheritance and she died before it was out of probate does someone else inherit the money or would it go to her husband/children since she was alive at the time of the Grandmother’s death.

R390- I have no idea , tbh. Wouldn't the money go into a trust for her children?

Families with generational wealth often structure things to keep money within the family. Trusts are usually in place so if the heir or heiress dies, their wealth is kept from the spouse and preserved for their offspring.

[quote] Are we not allowed to hold people responsible for their decisions now?

It's a question of how much responsibility we attribute to the victim or the criminal. Usually if the victim is female she gets more shit for any error she makes. If a man walks down the street wearing a Rolex and gets mugged, the blame quickly goes to the mugger. Every guy should be able to wear a Rolex on the street, that's why you buy a Rolex!

This woman was taking a risk jogging in the dark in skimpy clothes.But woman get raped and killed in broad daylight sitting in a car. Being a woman going anywhere is riskier than being a man. I have a female friend who disguises herself when she goes jogging--hair stuffed in a cap, loose clothing, no earbuds, always looking around as she runs. The SUV that Eliza was pulled into had passed her and then stopped. That's when you turn around and run the other way. This doesn't mean she deserves the shit she's getting in some of these posts.

R393- I agree with you. She did put herself in a very vulnerable position but she also certainly did not deserve what happened to her. Both things can be true.

r376, It sounds like the name of someone's grandmother.

r386 - That's cute for them. They'd still get their ass handed to them by the average male. Hell, even professional female MMA fighters have had their asses handed to them by male fighters. This is real life, not some Hollywood movie where a waif like Angelina Jolie can beat the shit out of a man built like Jason Statham.

r387 - These days, exercise gear for women is nothing more than glorified skin-tight underwear that shows every nook and cranny of their body. If you want to wear that, fine, but don't wear it and complain that one of the many toxic as hell straight men roaming this country aren't going to misinterpret that as you looking for sexualized attention from them. We live in reality, not in a utopia. Just like you wouldn't go to a rough area deck out in jewels like an ancient Maharaja if you don't want to be robbed, don't flounce around in rough neighborhoods in revealing clothing as a woman if you don't want to receive negative sexual attention. It sucks for females, but it's the truth.

Memphis is a ghetto shithole full of feral blacks who behave as if they're still in the jungle. If you go out alone at night in Memphis you're taking your life in your own hands. Anyplace that has a population of feral, animalistic blacks means you either avoid it entirely or you take extreme precautions so you don't end up as their prey.

389: your logic is like gay panic defense. The gay man “flirting” or “coming on” to a known straight man, should have known it was “dangerous” to pursue a straight man, Or is it wrong to hold gay men “accountable”.

Ultimately, our first reaction to this sad story shouldn’t be, “she shouldn’t have been out jogging at 4:30 am”. Men are a threat to public safety and civilization, how about we deal with that.

R397: If one walks through a jungle at night alone one shouldn't be surprised to come upon a wild animal.

I think straight men should have a curfew, not allowed unsupervised after 11 pm. Watch the crime rates drop,

R390 That Orgill family is easily worth a billion dollars. I'm sure that it's covered.

I tell y'all what, though. Memphis truly has a really high crime rate. Down here one has to be extra super careful and just balance that nicely so as to not be a Karen or whatever. My wife and I truly try to stay balanced and are congenial towards most anyone we meet but being a pedestrian in Memphis as well as other such things is dangerous.

Memphis is kinda like the larger cities of Brazil. Walk or drive a wee bit past a nice neighborhood and then you hit somewhere quite poverty stricken and sometimes really dangerous as well. I grew up over in Barranquilla, Colombia in the 1980's so I know what I'm talking about with super high crime rates and all.

This might just have sadly wound up being a random crime. I dunno. Because of the wealth involved there could be a ransom or something. I dunno. Lotta money with this, the only other family down here with that wealth would easily be Fred Smith's family because of FedEx. They brought out all the stops quick for this lady and I get it but only to a degree deep down.

I hope Tennessee has the death penalty.

R400 you spoil your intelligent posting when you throw in your “I dunno” shit. It makes people immediately think you’re a fucking moron despite an otherwise well written post.

This psycho kidnapped before and was sentenced to 24 years. It was a man he kidnapped and brought to the guys ATM. Not clear how much of his sentence he served.

Honestly, I'm surprised he's black.

r402 welcome to conversational internet English!

I'm surprised he's male. Cleotha?

If an eldergay was prancing around in caftan at 4am in Memphis and got thrown into a van - the reactions would be 1000 times harsher (and funnier). The misogyny hysteria is tiresome. We can acknowledge risky behavior, while understanding that no one should be kidnapped and murdered.

Is she dead?

Well, they found her clothes, right?

Odds are yes, R408.

What’s conversational about “I dunno” other than you being a moron 😂

She was raped by a pack of n-----s.

I dunno r411

You're criticising someone for using "I dunno" while using emojis...?

All this could have been avoided if she just bought a fucking treadmill.

Just so senseless.

Yes.

R407: I doubt there would be much light hearted banter if a gay man jogging at 4:30 am had been kidnapped and murdered. I bet there would be a lot of “hysterical” claims of homophobia and hate crime.

R403, likely not much. You have billionaires like the CEO of Netflix and his wife who donate millions for jail reform to put these people back on the streets. This guy who killed an Asian woman in NYC last year had already been convicted of killing his own mother a few years before! We need more jails, not less.

That NY Post article is devastating.

I took him for minutes to subdue her while in the back of the vehicle.

He probably beat her very badly, and chances are actually pretty high, that he beat and or strangled her to death, right then and there, in the back of the SUV.

What a horrible, senseless crime.

And he had done it before?

This monster needs to be euthanized for the good of society.

I think she would have been abducted no matter what she had been wearing, as long as she was identifiably a woman with a small-ish frame.

Is there any connection between the husband and the drug-manufacturing brother of the alleged abductor? Time will tell.

*It took him four minutes

"If this was some random sicko, why would the be so audacious and risky? "

Because they're "sicko". The either truly don't care and/or they're delusional about their ability to get away with it.

This is why it's a good idea to run with one or two keys between your fingers, perpendicular from the knuckle.

Just had a guy here who just got out of prison a few weeks ago tie up,rob and kill some poor slob remodeling a house in a shitty neighborhood.Then drove around in the victims car for a week even though the story was all over the news. Still wearing the shoes with the victims blood all over it. I dont give these reptiles any credit for the ability to think.I think most are border line retarded and they have zero ability to ponder anything. They just act on impulse. Like the animals so many seem to be.I hate that I think that.My younger self would be appalled .

R388: An hour S of Memphis is the Mississippi Delta, which is like living in a bad Faulkner novel. Memphis would have been the least of your problems. Spend an afternoon in Greenwood. MS and you'll know what I mean. Oxford, MS is probably an hour from Memphis and would have been the draw. It's a pleasant college town surrounded by unpleasantness.

I know that we cannot understand this, as we’re not psychopaths, but can you imagine?

You’re driving down a street, and suddenly, you see a woman jogging down the street, and something within you prompts you to stop the car, grab her and kill her.

I mean, what was he doing previously? Driving to work? Getting breakfast at McDonald’s? And then suddenly, BOOM’

“Oh look! I’m gonna grab this lady here and murder her”!

Full stop. Like there’s nothing more after this thought. Nothing like, “Nah. I better get to work”, or “It’s Labor Day weekend, I’m gonna chill and grill some steaks with my friends”.

The mind of a criminal is just something most of us will never be able to comprehend or understand.

I’m just glad it wasn’t a white man murdering a black woman jogging at 4:30 am. We would never hear the end if it.

[quote] Not clear how much of his sentence he served.

He served 20 years and got out in 2020.

He served 11, R429.

R429- That was a similar crime and it even occured at 2:00 AM.

Except it was a guy and he took him to an atm and did not cause “serious bodily injury” like the police say they have proof he did with this lady. But a son was only 16 during that criminal act. I guess he’s moved on to more violence.

Abston * I meant at r432

It's horrible to think that if she hadn't struggled, she may just have been robbed (ATM).

It's a little weird husband had no problem with his wife jogging at such an odd hour.

R248 Black women are dumb and crazy to run at 4 am. That's crazy white lady shit.

Did they say what the belongings were? I wonder if she had one of those small satchels, something that would have made Cleotha think she had a wallet and a bank card on her person.

Black women are NOT dumb and crazy to run at 4 am

Were there playing fields where she taught? Surely she had better options for a pre-work run.

You are an absolute fucktard r434. I’d prefer to think you are trolling though since I don’t want to believe anyone is as stupid as you.

There’s a good chance he beat her to death because she had no money or and ATM card, and she refused to tell him where she lived, so that he could go there and demand money, jewelry, demand she or the husband drive him to the ATM or he’d kill the kids, etc.

If he was out looking for someone to rob, rather than just being a sexually motivated car, my theory is as good as any, and it makes sense that he held her in the car for 4 minutes, as he probably pummeled her to death, while she resisted doing what he wanted, which was to get her to drive him to her house, for a major robbery, which may have ended up even worse than this.

Fuck.

This poor woman.

R434, I don’t think his intent was ever to rob her. She was jogging, what could possibly have had on her of value besides a phone? He most probably raped and then killed her.

R437 is also a brain dead fucktard. Then I blocked and it was of course the same person.

A sexually motivated car?

R418 There would be enquiries about sizemeat verificata and fuckability before anyone gave a fuck, as well you know.

Sexually motivated crime, R444.

Auto correct, and you know what I meant.

Yeah, I think there are 2 scenarios:

1. Abductor intended to rape and kill. Abductor was thrill-seeking. If she was robbed, that was incidental to rape and murder.

2. Husband is connected and this was a Fargo-type kidnapping gone wrong.

But his MO already includes robbery, so incidental doesn't work.

Based on his history, it’s starting to come together.

He was most probably looking for someone to rob.

Long weekend, so he probably wanted money for dope, hookers, booze, whatever. He also appears to have lived in a week to week motel/apartment sort of situation, so perhaps rent was due, as well.

Self-loathing Frau at R389, go scrapbook or decoupage something.

How goes to a park in the dead of the night looking to rob someone, and furthermore decides a female runner is going to have valuables?

R450: Just spraying my Bitch Be Gone spray. Blocked.

He brought his initial victim (when he was 16) to an ATM. He may have expected to do the same for the lady runner.

Me too r50 lol

Bitch be gone spray lol. I might need to borrow that one sometime.

I am trying to decipher if some of these posts are trolling or serious? Are these people dumb enough to really think that she would have an ATM card on her while jogging at 4 am and believe that was this guy’s main intent?

[quote]I doubt there would be much light hearted banter if a gay man jogging at 4:30 am had been kidnapped and murdered. I bet there would be a lot of “hysterical” claims of homophobia and hate crime.

Sure, but those posts would be vastly outnumbered by posts about both the offender's and victim's physique, likely dick size, cage meat, prison sex, etc.

I’m black and my sister is a regular marathon runner. She is a nurse, so she often runs at 4am. She is paranoid AF and carries pepper spray and a ring with a knife like device on it. I pity the fool that tries to fuck with her.

R456 If he wanted to keep it simple, he could have taken her phone and ring and left it at that. It’s possible he wanted her to tell him where she lived so he could go and rob the place.

R456. It’s the same person over and over. Just block the stupidest post like that one and they all go away. In fact you will Be shocked at how dumb the person is when you see in your ignored batch their posts on other threads. I’m still not sure if they are actually a troll cause no one can be that devoid of common sense.

Wasn't an NYPD officer in the Bronx recently a victim of a violent mugging? Don't think you're somone one man or one woman army...

*some one-man

Would someone be kind enough to start a part two thread? This one is getting difficult and slow. Tia!

R463. But the difficult and slow will just follow us there.

Part 2

Reminds of this story:

WTF, R465? Too early for a new thread.

Put links in preview in your settings and this thread will load fine (same for other clunky, slow threads)

Somes posters have difficulty scrolling.

[QUOTE] It's a question of how much responsibility we attribute to the victim or the criminal. Usually if the victim is female she gets more shit for any error she makes. If a man walks down the street wearing a Rolex and gets mugged, the blame quickly goes to the mugger. Every guy should be able to wear a Rolex on the street, that's why you buy a Rolex!

R393 People nowadays are painfully naive and trusting of strangers. No common sense and an entitlement complex, especially in women. Maybe because I had parents who always thought of the worst-case scenarios, maybe because they grew up lower middle class in the old country, there was a lot of instruction growing up on avoiding reckless behaviors. Running at odd hours and in isolated places was a huge no. So was driving late at night. The rule of thumb was if it was after 1 am, stay put at where you are, and you can leave at dawn. 2 am was when bars closed, so a lot of drunks out at that time. Stuff like that.

As for your Rolex example, we’ve had friends get mugged and we all blamed them for their recklessness. You wear your good stuff in PRIVATE settings with similarly affluent people, not out in public so that you can be a target. Rolex at a country club wedding? Sure! Rolex at your Walmart run at 10 pm? No!

There’s no excuse for criminal behavior but you need to act in a way that puts the odds in your favor. The world isn’t made of sunshine and roses and peaches and cream. There are evil, violent and ruthless people out there who have zero regard for human life.

It is incredibly stupid to go for a run at 4 am, especially for a woman. If I was an heiress, I’d have a home gym and lap pool and not deal with the motherfucking riffraff.

R465:. Thank you! 😘

It’s literally the no common sense troll that started a the new thread. I’m officially done. Bye everyone.

I will never understand posters who MUST announce their departure. No one’s crying any tears, dear.

[quote]There’s no excuse for criminal behavior but you need to act in a way that puts the odds in your favor.

No one is going to argue with that, it's a cliche.

What I'm saying is crimes against women often throw more attention on the victim than the criminal. Women who are raped, even violently, have their past sexual behavior and drinking habits brought up as evidence they were asking for it. No man who is mugged is grilled about how many times he walked down that street ALONE wearing those fine clothes.

Karina Vetrano was jogging in broad daylight on a popular running trail. The crazy motherfucker who beat her to death was just a sick fucker who wanted to hurt someone. I am still shocked that he wasn’t shown to the border by the residents of that neighborhood. Poor Karina. We have driven by that nature preserve where she was killed, and it’s quite beautiful.

I will admit that I was wrong about who killed her, but I still maintain that there was a very odd dynamic in her family, and she was a sugar baby.

R470 has it right. You can't make yourself bulletproof, but you don't make yourself an easy mark either. I scratched one of those ignorant "family silhouette" stickers off my niece's car last weekend. It showed a woman with a kid and a dog; an advertisement for rape, or worse, in her city. It's stupid to flout the laws of reality in this current crime-filled climate.

Yeah, my whole family is into running, marathons and shit, and the only thing they carry is water, and maybe a $5 bill for a bagel/coffee on the way home. They have Apple watches for texts and MP3 players for music.

I think this guy just wanted to kill a woman. If he wanted money, he’d mug people coming out of the ATM lobby.

Worry not r473, PissyPants just moved over to the new thread.

You are a racist prick R7 snuggle up to a greasfire along with the cretins who birthed you🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

Fuck you too R11

R478- 🤡🤡🤡

Yet...yet I was exactly right,wasnt I Miss R479 ? Galls your kind,doesnt it?

R481 true crime obsessed frau banned from Reddit.

^ then she asked for a new thread at 400 posts cause her fat fingers got tired from scrolling

You are exactly right, R476. As a military veteran, I am entitled to have a FL red-white-and-blue "veteran" license plate on my vehicles at no extra charge, and I have one on my truck. But now there's a "woman veteran" tag as well. It's not particularly eye-catching and looks a lot like a similar "surfer picture" tag, but that's not why I won't get one. I never, ever want any random stranger to know I am a woman riding a motorcycle (or even driving a car) alone. Lots of (I assume straight) women wear pink motorcycle helmets and other gear and (heaven forbid) even ride pink or purple motorcycles. AFAIC, they're asking for trouble.

These days, you just never know.

R447, there's also another scenario,

She was there, with no one else around and he thought, "why not rape her?" And so, he did.

Just a crime of opportunity.

Many rapes are crimes of opportunity

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

This guy needs to be buried under the prison. It was purely a rape scenario as most with sense already knew. He was offering women $100 to sleep with him. 🤮 This woman was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

As someone from the south, I've been warned about Memphis numerous times throughout my life. It's on par with Little Rock, Atlanta, and Birmingham as some of the most dangerous cities. Atlanta obvi has the most human trafficking so it's the most dangerous for young women and girls, but obviously Memphis is just a day's drive away. I'm not attempting to victim blame, I think women should be able to run naked at 2 in the morning completely drunk without something bad happening to them. But traffickers probably lurk around colleges because they know a bunch of young women like to jog there, and nobody will be awake at 4:30 to see them attack. I don't jog in public anyways because the pavement is hard on my knees and I'm worried I'll get run over.

Looks like the husband's tears were real. I totally thought it was him. Now I realize there's no reason that being an heiress is the huge red flag it appeared to be. People with money can be random victims of crime.

We don’t even know if she is dead yet.

But this is starting to look extremely bad on ok fronts.

As a side note. I refuse to participate in the racist and also fake “part 2” farce of a thread. Let it sink to the dark depths of this place and rot there.

I trust that someone with some decency will begin a valid part 2 when the time is appropriate.

If you attended these schools 50 or more years ago then I’m impressed.

If it was within the last 50 then who gives a whoop?

Wow, what a POS. Waving 100 bucks in front of women.

Fucking disgusting.

I guess you guys are probably right. He probably raped and killed her. I just didn’t want to believe she had to suffer through that as well.

I hope they can bring her home soon, so that her family can give her a proper burial.

This scumbag should have never been let out of prison. People like him don’t change or rehabilitate. They just get out and cause more mayhem and profound pain to others.

May this poor woman RIP. Sorry it was the worst of ways to leave this earth, too. 🙏🏽

Well, it does look like this waste of life did it if his own volition and the husband didn’t have anything to do with it.

According to the daily mail he was a known perv and was soliciting women in his brothers lousing complex.

There is also a YouTube of mpd being asked about the reports that the campus police got about the womens x county running team being harassed by a lone man in a black suv in the last few weeks when they’d take their morning runs. MPD said unaware of that but interview was two days ago and it seems to have been buried in other news since then.

100 is a fair rate depending on the circumstances. It’s not out of the ballpark for what it’s worth.

Is this the original victim?

Showing my math here …If he is waving the money then he is already there. which means no lead time, no risk for no show etc.., and also presumably there is an available room to do it in, meaning no overhead costs, and while he will not be getting the full around the world experience for 100, it will get him a nice half hour of fun in the marketplace.

Her Instagram is still up. It doesn’t look like any signs of a physical separation at least from the husband. Maybe that was just a rumour too.

Illegals.

The husband looks like a snake.

The Vanishing Part III

That's him, R497. He worked at Lewis Thomason with Mike Keeney, the uncle who spoke during the family's video statement.

r384, you, like every other immature little shit on here, constantly spew bile and then cry like babies when someone talks back to you.

No, you CAN'T say whatever you want and then not have anyone say something back to you. You troll, others are going to troll you back. You can't tell others what they can or can't say.

You've posted about 1000 times in this thread about "bra and shorts! bra and shorts!" and eventually people are gonna get sick of it and tell you to fuck off. You deserve it. Cry harder if you don't like it.

FWIW r496 a hundred is a lot for a city of 633,000. The entire country of Canada had only 27 abductions last year. Population 36,000,000.

Why would the idiot throw her clothes away somewhere different from where he dumps her (assuming at this point) dead body? His DNA would be all over both anyway. And if he was washing his car at 7:30 am he obviously did it all fairly quickly.

"Why would the idiot ...."

The answer to all such questions will be "drugs".

There are cameras everywhere these days. It’s mind boggling that anyone gets away with anything.

And yet Katie Janness' murder remains unsolved...

R509, I haven’t forgotten her, either.

R491 - Yes, I [italic]tried[/italic] on the other thread, but the troll(s) just kept bring it back to race. It was gross. This isn’t fucking Stormfront.. :/

I’m the one who said upthread that a couple trolls got that one started who were here causing shit and I got jumped on. I’m glad they moved over now.

This thread made me think of Katie Janness, too.

Biology really makes life unfair for women.

She seems like she was a decent woman with a nice young family. I didn’t realize that she was only 34 years old and had two young boys.

The NY Post article about her family with pics of them all together is good.

This is very, very sad for those two kids and that whole family.

NY Post article which focuses on her family and has pics...

One thing is really odd, the previous kidnap victims was a legal partner of this woman’s uncle? Is that true?

Exactly r514. I avoided the Instagram before but then took a quick look at the most recent few posts and it really humanized the whole thing. Even the husband looked at least earnest and the kids seemed sweet in the clips. So tragic.

R515 see post r499

R516. Maybe. 6 degrees of separation and all that. Memphis is not exactly a large metropolis. People have connections.

Agree, R517. I had the exact same reaction.

The language used in the NY Post article about the violent nature of the abduction makes it seem like the guy might have been laying in wait for her on what is described as Eliza’s “usual jogging route”.

Is it possible he stalked her for a day or two after spotting her running one day?

Has anyone else heard language from any other news source that made it sound like he was already waiting for her to run by that day?

Here is how the Post phrased it:

“Fletcher, 34, was abducted on her regular 4 a.m. jog Friday after stalked by Cleotha Abston, who’d waited for her to run past him, the police affidavit alleged. She had run from her home in the fancy Central Gardens neighborhood to a nice area near the University of Memphis campus.”

(There’s also this about his criminal record: “Court records show Abston, 38, is a previously convicted kidnapper: he pleaded guilty to especially aggravated kidnapping and robbery in 2001. He was sentenced to 24 years and 11 years in prison respectively, although it is unclear how long he remained incarcerated and if he served his sentences concurrently.”)

That feral animal never should've been let out of prison. Now a poor woman is dead because of this monster.

Hi r520. I will have to dig for it but really need to get to bed. I skimmed Reddit about this abduction but didn’t stick around as some of it was crazier than a few of the people who were here before. Anyway one poster did have a YouTube video of a quick interview a cop did with reporters on Friday afternoon I think. Anyway, the reporter asked her for information about complaints that the university women’s cross country running team had about a line man in a black SUV who was harassing some of the women during their early morning practice runs. The cop deflected the question.

I saw the video and will try and find it to post here. If this is correct this guy was lurking around the campus already and maybe waiting for a line runner. The x county runners eventually spread out vs being in a huge pack. So true he was maybe waiting but not necessarily specifically stalking Liza. The complaints happened 2 weeks ago.

The abduction itself sounds terrifying and I’m not sure what chance she had against this guy, especially after he started “running towards her aggressively” as they put it in the affidavit.

The struggle was so bad that he left his Champ slider shoes behind at the crime scene (shoes that cops later matched his DNA from, from their criminal database) and she lost her phone there—both items were found at the scene on the street by a biker less than an hour later who had no idea what happened and (I guess using info on her phone?) brought the items to Eliza’s house to give to her husband and family.

The husband must have realized instantly that something horrible likely happened to his wife when he received those two items.

From the Post article:

“Tennessee authorities obtained surveillance footage of the kidnapping, which allegedly showed Abston running “aggressively toward the victim, and then force the victim Eliza Fletcher into the passenger’s side of the vehicle,” the documents said.

“During the abduction, there appeared to be a struggle,” according to the affidavit, which cited “noticeable damage to the back-passenger taillight area” of the GMC Terrain.

Police said after Fletcher — who is still missing — was forced into the black SUV, “the vehicle then sat in the parking lot with the victim inside for approximately four minutes before it drove off.”

A “lone” man in a black suv^

I should also point out that this description was given and the YouTube video was two days old on Sunday afternoon. So back that up to Friday mid day and there was less info out there about the attacker being alone and in a black suv. That is chilling.

Thanks so much for that info, R522 ! That is very interesting (and very creepy and sad) if true.

At this point women should just buy threadmills.

Wow her smile was something.

Hi r525. Will save you the torture of sifting through the angry trolls on Reddit. Here is the YouTube video. I hope I got the details right when I described it. Either way it’s disturbing.

More info about the guy seemingly waiting there for her (or some female jogger) to run by, the fact that this wasn’t even his car (it belonged to the cleaning company he worked for), and the Good Samaritan finding his shoes and her phone in the street at 6:45am (sorry I said it was found “less than an hour after the kidnapping”; I misread it. The items were actually found a little over 2hrs later by the biker...)

From the article:

“As the abduction was violent with, as captured on video, the suspect waiting for, then rushing towards the victim, then forcing the victim into the car, where she was confined and removed and continues to be missing, it is believed and supported by the facts and physical evidence that she suffered serious injury,” the affidavit said.”

According to the document, at 6:45 a.m., good Samaritan Miles Fortas was riding his bike when he found Fletcher’s cell phone and a pair of Champion slide sandals in the area where the mom of two was kidnapped. Fortas, unaware of what had occurred, gave the items to the Fletcher family, who then turned them over to authorities.

“DNA found on the shoes matched DNA for Cleotha Abston” that was already in a police database, according to the affidavit.

Authorities said they found footage of Abston wearing Champion slides the day before the alleged kidnapping. They also said his cell phone pinged near the site of the Friday kidnapping.”

The car apparently belongs to a local cleaning service that employed Abston.

Officers arrested him after finding him standing in the doorway of his home.”

The above info is from this article, just in case anyone wants a link.

Yeah r529 and also what I have pieces to father is that the found him at the door of the brothers place and he fled and got into the suv to take off but was stopped by the ATF vehicle they describe. That’s what the collision they were referring to in earlier reports was about - the ATF vehicle stopped the guy as he tried to rip out of there in the gmc all terrain.

Thank you for the video link R528 ! Yes, Reddit can be pretty rough going at times, so I really appreciate you finding that link and bringing it over here!

I was wondering about the “collision” with the ATF vehicle and subsequent arrest scenario that had been described earlier, R531 ; what you wrote makes sense.

R533 glad you could understand it with all those typos lol. It’s late where I am! 🥱

R516 and R518 --

Just wondering where all those people who said "no one abducts an ugly gristle woman like this to rape her" have gone.

DL is always sadly full of people who think rape only happens to hotties. We have a lot of really ignorant, juvenile people here.

I hope she’s alive

R536, I think people were referring to human trafficking, not rape.

Just wondering what the reference is about r503 and r535. The name of the lawyer who was abducted in 2000 was Kemper Durand and he passed away in 2013.

[R516] wondered if it was true that Eliza's uncle, Mike Keeney, who delivered the family's statement, had worked with Cleotha Abston's earlier victim, Kemper Durand.

Maybe, if they were there at the same time. Keeper was born in 1939 so he was -about 74 when he died and likely retired almost 10 years before that. It’s a major law firm in a small city and her family is socially connected obviously due to significant wealth. People know each other. In this case likely distantly. And it’s far to convoluted a relationship to suggest there is anything meaningful to the attack and likely death of this poor lady.

Wow they actually set a bind for this guy! Let’s hope some butter doesn’t come up with 50k.

[quote] Let’s hope some butter doesn’t come up with 50k.

Who would ever do a sociopathic thing like that

I wasn't suggesting anything; it's just a coincidence that I thought I'd mention. Given the length of time Kemper Durand has been dead, I truly didn't foresee anyone trying to read anything into it.

Mike Keeney started working at Lewis Thomason in 1993. Kemper Durand worked there part-time until the end, and also devoted a lot of his time to The Innocence Project.

389 Ms Paglia, is it you?

R516 and R540 - could this kidnapper do a lot of homework and maybe have a grudge against this family or their business? Like being fired??

Scary shit. Get a dog, stay home, try Peloton or pilates on youtube... The sun will give you melanoma anyway (and a too-gaunt face like... well, you know)

Psychopaths like this are incapable of functioning in society and cannot be rehabbed. I truly believe some people are born monsters. Anyone who is capable of a violent kidnapping once does not have a moral compass and is a threat to society. This scumbag is an animal and, like anyone with his past, should never have been able to set foot in public again. It always takes a murder to get the criminal off the street. Hopefully Miss Cleotha dies in prison of sepsis caused by rectal rupture after she’s gang raped by her fellow thugs.

R537 she’s definitely rotting in a ditch somewhere. Don’t get your hopes up.

[quote]grudge against this family or their business? Like being fired??

I doubt it. I think it's exactly what it looks like on the surface—he's a predator; he saw easy prey; he said, "that's mine"; he pounced.

So much for the dark humor fags that made fun of her smile. This woman is most likely been murdered.

Sick fucks abound on DL.

[quote]but the troll(s) just kept bring it back to race. It was gross.

Oh yes, that for sure is the grossest, most egregious, part of all this---the fact that people are calling out a scum sucking criminal, a BLACK man, for what he is, a low life thug. Never mind what he did to that innocent WHITE woman. It is of no consequence compared to the racist profiling poor, sweet, gentle Cleotha has had to endure.

More info about the guy seemingly waiting there for her (or some female jogger) to run by, the fact that this wasn’t even his car (it belonged to the cleaning company he worked for),

Insane that a convict got a job at all with a twenty year prison record. But they also gave him an SUV to tool around in whenever/wherever he wanted. Shows you just how desperate the situation is right now re. service workers. Business will hire anything.

So the abductor was wearing Champion slides? Who wears flip flops to an abduction?

R553 homeboy gotta look fly on these streets

So the cops didn’t do anything when people tried to being this to their attention in the months leading up to this?

We are seeing stories all over the country of the fall out from the silent police strike and their refusal to do any police work.

I hope suburban women remember this when it comes time to vote in Nov. these Republican police unions have got to go and their Republican masters.

Everyone who should have been responsible will cover up the complaint reported by the x country women’s team.

What republican masters? Memphis is a democrat voting city by two to one.

The following is the breakdown of the rank and file of the MPD.

African American/Black: 52%

White: 47%

Hispanic: 1%

According to Shelby County jail records, the suspect goes by the name Cleotha “Pookie” Abston. A Facebook page for Pookie Abston, of south Memphis, says he is also known as “Wild Child.” The profile picture is a gun with the phrase “Wild Mob.”

Anyone who commits a crime with a gun (or any weapon, for that matter), needs to be imprisoned for life, not serve 11 years of a 20-year sentence. So many of the crimes in my community are committed by perps with rap sheets longer than their arms. Lock 'em away forever, society needs to be protected from them.

𝐀𝐧𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐌𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐊𝐢𝐝𝐧𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐠

Police are hunting for the men who kidnapped a mom and her one-year-old from outside a target in a brazen midday robbery in Memphis - just days before a billionaire heiress was snatched off the same city's streets.

According to a Facebook post by the Memphis Police Department, the mom was putting groceries into her car outside the Target store when she and her child were hijacked on August 31.

She and her one-year-old were forced into a car after being threatened by the men, who were brandishing a handgun and demanding cash.

According to WREG-TV, one of the suspects sat in the front seat with the mom while the other sat in the back with her child.

They made the mom withdraw $800 from an ATM at Regions Bank half a mile down highway 64.

The terrifying ordeal was then over, as they released the mom and child afterwards, handing her back her card and dropping them off at the same Target where they were abducted. She then went inside to tell a staff member what had happened.

^^^Well, at least that one got away.

I've been saying for years now that home invasions and kidnappings (to ATM's) is the wave of the future for petty criminals. They can't get anything by stealing wallets and handbags anymore. No one carries cash.

LOL. Oh, my sides @ R555. You think it's Republicans who are at fault for "defund the police?". You're dumber than a box of rocks.

I have to question her judgement jogging at 4:30 am. She must have been a bit complacent. Also, was the area known for joggers and a good part of town? It does seem like a crime of opportunity.

The NY post claimed it was a nice area.

Can we talk about how butt ass ugly the kidnapper/killer is? Just like George Floyd, with the wide nose and huge lips, he looks like a racist caricature of a black man.

I hope r565 is Digital Blackface.

There was a homegurl who lived in Pookie's apartment complex that was posting pics of the search teams,police, etc on social media in exchange for donations sent to her cash app. She actually said she needed money for a new iPhone, oh, and said she was hongry and that she be craving crablegs.

He sounds pretty intelligent.

"On the second Facebook page, which is in the name of Cleo Real, he wrote, “Don’t loose your Queen Bee, chasing a butterfly, and end up with a roach. Let us spray!😄”"

"Another post said: “Mfs always see my folks and be on some wats up with pookie wats up wit wild like they really f*** wit a n**** but don’t f*** wit no n**** I been gone all this time and have a FB page MF if u f*** with me u would’ve made sure I was straight fym get tf out of here with that bs been doin this shyt by my mfn self I’m screaming F*** u n**** and b****** keep the same energy wen they free me..”"

This animal used the vehicle from the cleaning service he worked for? He was going into people's homes or offices to clean? WTF. Glad I clean my own house.

Dey be on dey facebook in prison? Dey got dem sum sailfoams too?

R565 is triggered.

So where is she? If they apprehended the perp pretty quickly then she can't be that far away?

I have no idea what R568 was quoting. Why would anyone aspire to speak like that?

so do we think she's dead?

Why am I triggered, R571? Did you call the posters who cracked on the victims’ Predatoresque smile triggered too?

The killer is ugly as fuck, and has that thuggish/criminal vibe that is best to be avoided altogether if you want to stay out of trouble or see the next day.

Negative stereotypes about black people exist because of the preponderance of hood rats wreaking havoc all over America, just like this scum. Kindly fuck off with the holier-than-thou wokism.

[Quote] so do we think she's dead?

Yes. I think she died in the four minutes the SUV was parked, per the camera footage.

He strangled her

Seems odd that he would just kidnap her and kill her so quickly. Rape? Won't know until a body is found.

She fought. Hard. He probably wasn't expecting that. The man wore flip flops... He clearly thought it would be a piece of cake.

R578, if she put up a huge fight he probably just killed her. I’m not convinced he didn’t rape her, but if he didn’t then that’s why.

[quote] I’m screaming F*** u n**** and b****** keep the same energy wen they free me..

This eloquence of this thrilling soliloquy gives us goosebumps. We demand he be invited as our next commencement speaker.

Another white damsel in distress, whatever.

Democrats never defunded a single dime from police. They are keeping the money but doing no police work.

As we are getting close to 600 I have created an official part two so we can just move over with all updates we already have.

R579 do you have a link to back up that statement that she fought. So hard?

Link please?

Or did you witness this in person? You seem so sure.

[quote] Insane that a convict got a job at all with a twenty year prison record.

What? So people aren't supposed to get jobs after prison?

[quote]Another white damsel in distress, whatever.

You sound charming.

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