Woman abducted while on jog in Memphis, Tennessee, officials still say

Oh, the MAGA is going to have a field day . Poor woman regardless. Stop hurting and murdering innocent people

Was ‘Walking in Memphis’ the last song she heard on her iPod?

Here’s a decent summary of this case, so far.

I had some incorrect details about the perp in the previous thread.

This summary cleared things up.

[quote]Fletcher, an elementary school teacher, is the granddaughter of a hardware company billionaire. She is married with two young boys.

FFS - I guess we know why she was targeted.

I think he go pissed, struck her hard, and ended up killing her.

I do as well, R4.

The 4 minutes on the parking lot right next to where he grabbed her, is why I’m also going in that direction.

It doesn’t mean that he wasn’t also intending to rape her, but I suspect he hit her so hard, he killed her before it even got to that point.

No shit - 3rd thread

Wait was she killed? That's so sad.

..............so the question being asked is 'did the husband hire this convicted kidnapper to erase his wife'?

Have the investigators cleared him completely?

The original thread is not close to being filled yet. A known troll started this second one. Get prepared for the stupidest comments you have ever read in your life. It’s a shame this is happening to datalounge.

Oh for the husband to get the money after she's dead.

That's the motive?

He's going to get the death penalty. They will offer him Life in Prison if he tells them which dumpster he tossed her in after he raped her.

Those four minutes could have been him raping her while he strangled her.

They’re now searching the creek right in front of the boat shop where the husband works.

It is, however, also relatively close to the arrested man’s apartment and downstream from the MacDonald’s, etc. (where stormwater would end up.)

R13- The posters on Reddit really suspect the husband in this , don't they? He may well be involved, idk.

The suspect kept his GPS on during the entire crime. I suppose the police are backtracking his movements. What a dumbass.

Husband hired this known criminal. Also, who goes jogging alone at 4:30a.m.?

And people wonder why N word is still used for trash like Him? Career Criminals should be used for experiments not animals.

JFC, R17. You’re Dr. Mengele, 2.0, aren’t you?

There are plenty of white men who commit sexually-motivated crimes, R17.

R19 against black women?

[quote]There are plenty of white men who commit sexually-motivated crimes

Please post an example of a white man snatching a black woman off the street.

BTW this is the second white person he kidnapped.

Horrible people of any race ought to be shot.

R21 White men never kidnap or rape black women because black women are tougher than the average White man today.

That's dumb. Remember A Time to Kill. Of course it happens.

Idiots.

The Green River Killer, Gary Ridgeway, kidnapped and killed Black women (and white/indigenous women as well.)

So the guy they arrested had already kidnapped somebody. Experience counts.

R25- As did the Hillside Stranglers

R26- At 2:00 AM, no less.

From R13's link: Daily Mail says he was offering women in the apartment complex money for sex and stalking others.

"Once you go black, you don't come back."

Gary Ridgway would like a word, R21.

Crime scene tape blocking off new area. @R13's Reddit link.

Sry R25 - your reply didn’t load for me before I posted mine!

Olivia Wilde to play her in the film adaptation. They have that same stringy look about them.

I actually see a little Rebel Wilson.

Oh wow, absolutely R35. She's hired!

R26, practice makes perfect!

You’re right, r20. White men only snatch children.

^meant for r21

The common denominator is gender, not race. Men of all colors kidnap, rape, and murder women and children. Women of all colors rarely commit these crimes. Why has this become a race discussion? We should be discussing male violence against women and girls.

LSA is convinced the husband hired Cleotha.

R16 The elementary schools in my area start before 8AM. Leave in the 2 o'clock hour. It could be how she started her day before going to work at 7.

R12 Cleotha Abston? He’ll probably get deported. That’s not a black American name. Maybe he’s a first generation but he’s not African American.

Lifetime movie?

Yes R34 she could star in it

You're joking right, R43? That name is more southern black than corn bread and black eyed peas.

Anyone named "Cleotha" should have been euthanized in the newborn nursery.

R41 of course they are

Why would anyone care what the dumb slags on LSA think?

Cleotha was the sister of Mavis Staples in the Staple Singers. Maybe he was pissed he got that name?

When I first saw the name I was thinking more in terms of one of the old ladies with the big hats who sit in the first few pews of the church

I can't quite believe he tried to abduct a runner while wearing slides...

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From the previous thread:

[quote]The language used in the NY Post article about the violent nature of the abduction makes it seem like the guy might have been laying in wait for her on what is described as Eliza’s “usual jogging route”.

That's because it involves a white woman victim and black man criminal, so the NY Post (of course) saw its opportunity to do go all "Birth of A Nation."

And that's not a defense of the crime, but as someone who knows firsthand the NY media shits (both TV and print) just insinuate or outright lie, rather than actually wait for facts, stop buying into the media's manufactured narrative to foment hate.

The NY Post is always very manipulative in their use of language.

New York Post = Clickbait Headlines.

No that’s the Times, dear^

R54 What are you babbling about?

“As the abduction was violent with, as captured on video, the suspect waiting for, then rushing towards the victim, then forcing the victim into the car, where she was confined and removed and continues to be missing, it is believed and supported by the facts and physical evidence that she suffered serious injury,” the affidavit said.

Note: "...the suspect waiting for,..."

That is from the affidavit.

The NYPost's reporting on the story was no different than any other news outlet.

Their use of "fancy" and "nice" is pure reportage?

[Quote] She had run from her home in the fancy Central Gardens neighborhood to a nice area near the University of Memphis campus.

R58 Oh please.

She looks like Sherie Papini.

His sister’s name is Cliticia.

Her family are billionaires but they're only offering $50K reward?

Stop confusing the hell out of me.

This thread is fucking closed.

It'll turn out to be the husband and/or his side piece.

R62, probably don't want to encourage more of this knowing a lot of $ could be made.

Her death is probably strongly suspected by the officials as well.

I will not click on a link to the NY Post. Fuck Murdoch.

The proper part two is actually here. This was a troll thread halfway through part one. Correct link below.

Where is the committee who decided this?

[Quote] “Mfs always see my folks and be on some wats up with pookie wats up wit wild like they really f*** wit a n**** but don’t f*** wit no n**** I been gone all this time and have a FB page MF if u f*** with me u would’ve made sure I was straight fym get tf out of here with that bs been doin this shyt by my mfn self I’m screaming F*** u n**** and b****** keep the same energy wen they free me..”

I could have sworn this was a Stephen Sondheim lyric.

R70- I had to take two extra strength Excedrin after reading that .

Imagine kidnapping someone for sex and then killing them, only to then find out they are a billionaire and you could have instead just charged an ransom.

It is kind of like finding a dodo egg and then eating it.

It hasn't been confirmed that his motive was rape.

Is there any truth to the rumor that the perp, whatever the clown's name is, crashed his SUV into an ATF vehicle doing surveillance?

I guess 20 years behind bars kept him behind the times in terms of DNA and smart phone technology.

There's been reports that he tried to flee in the vehicle, which was parked near the apartment complex where he (and/or his brother) lived.

[Quote] I guess 20 years behind bars kept him behind the times in terms of DNA and smart phone technology.

And yet he was active on Facebook while incarcerated... He knew well enough to try to clean the inside of the vehicle but authorities were still able to collect blood from the vehicle...

The upside to all this is that family haven't been left hanging, like say, Katie Janness' have been.

R73 Is the kind of person who says “we are not sure the motive was antisemitism” every time a synagogue gets shot up.

He has a history of kidnapping for monetary gain...

Something’s happening around the creep’s brother’s apartment. LE setting up a ‘mobile command center.’

Mario and it would seem Cleotha lived near water... Is that the most likely place Eliza's body ended up?

Given how incompetent Cleotha is - the ridiculous flips flops, the active phone GPS, the cleaning out his car and washing his clothes like a murderer right after - HOW can they not locate the body of this poor woman?? I just don’t understand how he managed to hide her that well - especially given the relatively brief time frame.

I guess he threw her in some body of water. She'll eventually rise to the surface.

Yeah if she was a teacher and they only offered a 50k reward then something happened to where she's not that rich or the inheritance is split between other family members.

Imagine having a billion dollars and wanting to be a Kindergarten teacher.

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Cleotha has a history or rape too.

Jogger

Is it just me or do her and her husband smile extra hard?

I don't think she smiles at all. The corners of the mouth curl upward when one smiles.

A body was found a 8:17pm est. awaiting confirmation on f it is Eliza Fletcher.

Sorry about the fox link but it’s the first to break it.

Another report

Fuck. Poor kids and family. Those kids really are cute. I love when little kids wear glasses.

The 1600 block of Victor Street... What kind of area is that?

R116 apparently next to an abandoned elementary school, so definitely a place where Cleotha would feel at home

Per the DM:

[Quote] Abston also had new charges filed against him that include identity theft, theft of property and fraudulent use/illegal possession of credit/debit card of $1000 or less.

That would suggest that Eliza had a fanny pack or something on her, no? Unless it was someone else's credit card he'd swiped and used.

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Indeed

R84, you’re a pathetic piece of shit.

Block him and the pathetic posts disappear including R120.

You’re right. This thread is a mess. The other one is at least sane.

Someone posted a pic of a gorilla and Cleotha in the other thread...

My Memphis friend, who has a lot of connections, says the word on the street is that this piece of shit tried to burn her body.

This thread is trash and those participating will be blocked. No time for this crap.

The other thread had a gorilla posted in comparison to the killer and not a peep...

Until we see the husband do a news conference, I'll withhold judgment on whether I think he hired this monster to kidnap his wife.

I can totally see her marrying him and having a prenup, so he concocted a scheme to get "ransom" but didn't count on the guy deciding he wanted a little fun with the wife and accidentally killing her.

There IS something fishy about the execution of the attack - as if it were all planned with very specific knowledge.

[quote]Imagine having a billion dollars and wanting to be a Kindergarten teacher.

Several years ago I read the #1 profession amongst wealthy women who work full time is…teacher.

Also, she’s not a billionaire, her grandparents are. That $50,000 reward was embarrassingly paltry and likely would’ve been more if her husband was a billionaire.

What a sad situation. Was this a Fargo-esque kidnapping gone wrong, or merely a random crime of opportunity?

Looks like they found a body.

But it was executed so badly, and with the perpetrator so easily caught... I don't believe the husband hired this bungling idiot.

R119, I read on Twitter that they he stole someone’s wristlet that contained a debit or credit card. It was left on the counter at his place of employment and this scum walked off with it.

What's wrong with that R130 etc? I think it's pretty cool and noble. She could just stay home and luncheon at the country club but she's doing a good service and staying busy. Should she be a fucking "writer" like Warren Beatty's pretentious kid?

[Quote] merely a random crime of opportunity

Ding! Ding! Ding!

The killer had his mobile phone turned on, his GPS turned on, his fucking flips on his feet. Planning? Pshh!

The NY Post was at pains to point out that she ran from the "fancy" area she lives to another "nice" area. The killer drove around looking for a likely victim to rob, and possibly rape.

My guess is that the guy is a psycho predator who saw an opportunity and took it. He seems this blonde white woman alone, running along in a pink sports bra and purple shorts and thought "I'd like to get me some of THAT" and impulsively abducts her. And rapes and kills her. I think it's as simple as that.

Unfortunately, it’s highly unlikely he randomly went out and happened to come across her. Nobody would go out at 4:00 AM convinced they’ll find a random woman jogging…which means he saw her several times and got a feel for her routine before striking.

He may have gone out before 4AM, to catch drunk college girls perhaps.

This article reports he was connected to a recently stolen Cashapp and Wisely card in which he racked up $910 in fraudulent charges at gas stations. He was linked to theft by the Champion slides found at the abduction site.

[Quote] which means he saw her several times and got a feel for her routine before striking.

If this is the case, what was the rest of his plan? Because what we've learned tells us he was not dressed to for the occasion - slides can easily fall off even when walking, never mind running and struggling with someone. Nor did he efficiently get rid of the body, clean his company car... the list goes on. He left those slides behind him. There was little/no thinking invovled.

It made me think of that guy who posed as a taxi/uber driver and murdered that college student.

A predator, sure. But not a real planner.

He should now blame this on gender dysphoria and transition. All the captive pussy he wants.

Ask Phil Mudd to look into this.

It's noble to be a millionaire and choose to be a kindergarten teacher. Kind of like the fireman Springsteen kid and the EMT Kennedy grandkid.

And the chef Beckham kid.

Someone on here said something in another thread about their grandmother chiding a young woman for wearing revealing clothing. Something like "she won't think it's fun when a man snatches her off that bicycle."

The person was shocked but yeah, not fun.

A woman's stature will give her away. She can hide her hair under a cap, wear baggy sweats. It won't make a difference.

Are you being facetious R144? Cause I was serious about that.

Even if they try to protect themselves this way, women can still be violated at the hands of men.

R147 I take issue with that!

R147 As do I! What do you mean by stature?

[quote] Nobody would go out at 4:00 AM convinced they’ll find a random woman jogging…which means he saw her several times and got a feel for her routine before striking.

A lot of psychos are out at that hour just prowling. If they happen to see a woman alone they go for it. The singer Mia Zapata of the punk rock band The Gits was walking alone at 2:00 a.m. A psycho predator just happened to spy her, a woman walking alone late at night. He saw his chance and took it. He raped and murdered. This guy may have stalked this woman, but I don't think so. I think she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. She was taking a risk, out jogging at that hour. But I guess she thought it was safe. But nobody is safe anywhere these days.

R148 Yes, I am serious.

Didn't he have a job cleaning offices or something? He'd have to go to work very early so maybe that's why he saw her at 4am.

There are pervs and predators out 24 hours a day seeking opportunities.

Any word on if they’ve found her yet?

JFC. This has to be the worst possible thing that can happen to any family.

Human remains were found near the abduction location. Identity has not been confirmed.

Are we sure the husband didn't do it? She was, uh, quite unattractive, maybe the hubby hired the guy?

Fuck off.

People are more than just a photo or even a sweet song they sing.

People, including women, are complex, not perfect, who usually do their best to be good folks, and some are great at sports, others are great musicians, some are amazing fashion designers, while some are gardens, architects, cops, firemen, nurses, doctors, and even teachers.

Every time we (this includes me) sit around diminishing others, we teach each other to dim out some one’s light. Some go as far as permanently doing so.

This woman has taught me tonight, that maybe my light isn’t shining as bright as it can, because I am too busy dimming the light of others.

May this human being RIP.

For those without a Twitter account…

[quote]Someone posted a pic of a gorilla and Cleotha in the other thread

Terrible. What an insult to gorillas.

One rich girl I knew in high school indeed wanted to become a kindergarten teacher (and she is) because she loves children.

I don’t know why it is odd she would want to be a teacher. Most teachers love their actual work of dealing with children, teaching and seeing the impact they have on their students lives. What they don’t like is low pay and the pressures that low pay have on their work. Plus she gets summers off to do her rich people stuff.

He had his GPS on the entire time so why such a difficult time finding her or her body? Or have they found her?

Body found near where his brother Mario lived - and where Cleotha was seen cleaning his vehicle. (I think he'd be living with his brother)

R166- Thanks for the update. He must have burned the body, as rumored, making DNA necessary for an identification. My sympathy to her loved ones. I truly hope her husband had no part in this for the sake of the children.

Her husband had wet tears coming out of his eyes in the video with the rest of the family. I don't think he's involved.

R168- This looks like a crime of opportunity so far. He saw her jogging alone and attacked. That poor women. No place is safe anymore.

R168 yep, DL is thoroughly disappointed, we were fully ready for the husband's affairs coming out in part 2, hired hit in part 3, possible homosexual encounters during his college years in part 4...it's supposed to be a month long engagement with sleuthing, gossip, cable news watching and online bickering 🙄

The accused looks like 50 cent (a known asshole). Cleotha (is that a biblical name?) has a rap sheet going back to the age of 12. Some people cannot be reformed. Kidnapping, rape and murder is a helluva CV. Sad story all around.

[quote] Some people cannot be reformed

Yes they can, and with 100% effectiveness

R164, there’s a new trend with GOP-MAGA trolls on Reddit and elsewhere, indicating that becoming a teacher and educating kids is a dirty, rotten pursuit, that only elitist, liberals pursue.

It’s become an anti GOP-MAGA value to work in public education or in public libraries.

I was truly shocked when I came across it the first time, but have seen it regularly now.

Oooof that video of her singing made me tear up. MARY!!!

So fucking sad. RIP.

Hope he gets the death penalty for this.

The body is confirmed to be hers—top story at the Mail.

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Free the Daily Mail !

Poor woman. And the murderer was failed from a young age. It’s a tragic, awful story.

Me too, R174. Me too.

And what’s worse, is that our age of speedy information through the internet, has brought on a kind of person who blames this poor woman for her own demise, and criticizes her for being a teacher, claiming she must be a lib, in order to devalue and dehumanize her and other Americans, who still want to live a life filled with decent core principles and values, just because she’s a woman who exercised regularly and was a school teacher.

I’m stunned at this crime, and I am stunned at how a great country such as ours, has sunk into the depths of depravity where compassion seems to be in rare supply, and millions of sycophants sit at the virtual feet of a former president who also devalued women regularly while campaigning and in office, and who had the best access ever to receive a noteworthy education, yet shat on that opportunity, because he thought he was too special to learn anything worth learning, as most people who have zero to little compassion do.

And let’s not forget their devaluation of police officers and the FBI, who tirelessly worked through Labor Day weekend, to bring justice and the remains of this poor soul, back to her family and loved ones in her community, as well.

There are plenty of monsters in this world. Some ride around in SUVs, looking to victimize lone women, while others ride around the internet, looking to do more damage of whatever is left of someone’s memory, as well as to their fellow countrymen who are attempting to do the right thing.

May this poor woman RIP, and may her family find refuge in their faith and their community. 💔

I hate the word "jog" (along with jogging, jogger). What was wrong with "run"?

Let's keep organized religion out of it.

Cleotha in court to be charged with murder.

Hillary was right.

She was right about you as well, R183.

[R180], I agree. I dislike the word “jog”. Ranks right up their with “moist”.

[quote]I truly hope her husband had no part in this for the sake of the children.

Please stop.

R186- Go fuck yourself.

If you are going to go out at that time of the morning, you should have bear spray with you. It repeals human animals also.

^ repels

I guess he hoped to return to the body later.

More details:

[quote] According to the affidavit, searchers noticed high grass near a home on Victor near Person Ave. Police said they noticed vehicle tracks in the driveway and "the odor of decay." Then while searching around the home about 5 p.m., they found the body of a woman.

[quote] Also in the affidavit, investigators found a garbage bag with shorts matching those Fletcher was last seen wearing.

He dumped her in a vacant lot, minus her shorts which were found separately inside a garbage bag.

Is where she was found in Orange Mound?

Some people in the other thread are suggesting this man abducted Eliza because he couldn't get laid... JFC...

Bars on the windows of this abandoned house is a lovely touch.

[Quote] To all who thought the husband was involved, don't you feel foolish now? Well, do you?

The fraus have really landed.

R195- More like the pathetic incels have.

R194- What a dismal place to die. RIP.

I think she died in the SUV.

R198- You think he killed her immediately? I hope for her sake he did.

Honestly, I hope she did R198 for her sake and for the sake of her loved ones.

I was hoping she'd be found safe, poor woman RIP

Once it emerged how much of a clown the abducter was, I knew she wouldn't be found alive.

There is nothing wrong with suspecting the husband. The sad truth is that husbands often kill their wives.l; especially ones who have a history of drug abuse and affairs. I am glad in this case it wasn’t the husband, but lets save the hysterics.

DL threads about current events etc. tend to draw in outsiders, who get very defensive about people they don't know.

Did the husband have a history of affairs? He looks like a loser - huge tattoo on his chest/upper arm, ageing badly - looks 40s or even 50s in the face but I think he's late 30s. Why would a wealthy woman end up with such a schlub? Maybe she was an addict too? I vaguely remember something about her being in rehab, as well - and she's pretty weather-beaten but I figured that was all that stupid "ultra" running.

Did you see her singing video? She seemed like a space cadet.

I made it a couple minutes in - bothered me that she wasn't singing the melody I learned, though maybe there are different versions. Like hearing someone sing Happy Birthday to the melody of Auld Lang Syne or something lol.

I think at the start she said, "This is for my girls" - but I thought she taught at a public school and surely they wouldn't segregate by gender. So maybe a private kindy (or I just misheard).

Nice woman - it's sad that it's just not safe for women to be out running at dawn (or even before). But in many places (most?), it's just not.

And his first victim was a young man - so maybe it's not safe for 'anybody'

R205 If she was in rehab for anything, it might have been for an eating disorder. He seemed healthier at their wedding. Is it possible they were just fitness junkies? I was moved by his tears at the press conference

R207 She taught at an all girls parochial school.

His first victim was 60 years old. He died in 2013, aged 73.

So the other guy who was charged with possession of drugs hasn't been charged in her kidnapping and murder?

No. Mario (Cleotha's brother) was charged in relation to drugs and firearms.

R211:. Thank you.

Thanks R209. I just looked at the photo - which was his Yale law school picture from 1961.

But then there's that boy Dylan Rounds in Utah...

I remember reading that the reason the British started serving "tea" when it was still light when they entertained was because it was too dangerous to be out on the roads travelling back in the day - highway robbery or whatever.

Humans just suck. Now, then, forever.

Do we know any details about the rape victim from when Cleotha was 12?

OMG I didn't know about that. I need to keep up with my crime stories - but it's a full time job!

Sad. She should’ve just bought a treadmill. It’s dangerous to run early/late.

I expect she didn't want to wake her young children. Did the girls' school she work at have sports/athletic fields?

She was training for a marathon or half-marathon so a treadmill was not ideal. An indoor track would have been a better choice than jogging at 4am. Guessing that facilities with indoor tracks aren’t open that early in the morning.

[quote]Sad. She should’ve just bought a treadmill. It’s dangerous to run early/late.

What is sad is that there are people out there who won't allow us the freedom to leave our house for a walk or jog when ever the hell we want to. What is sad is that we accept that as normal in the US.

It's not a US thing to avoid exercising in the dark.

R20 You have never lived outside of the US in a peaceful low crime society. I was very used to walking at night and never having to worry. Women out with no problems.

there are people out there who won't allow us the freedom to leave our house for a walk or jog when ever the hell we want to. What is sad is that we accept that as normal in t̶h̶e̶ ̶U̶S̶.̶ ̶ 𝑐𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑡𝑦𝑝𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑒𝑠.

R222 I stand corrected

r41, so just like DL, they're obsessed with finding a way to blame the husband? The collective of both sites are more similar than they are different, which is why I'm tickled whenever DLers rag on them.

r110 - The smiling horse has more life in its eyes than Eliza when she smiled. She looked miserable in every photo.

r128, wow. And yet some threads get deleted --not locked, but deleted altogether-- because there's too much pushback against a certain untouchable group of people... I'm not surprised, though.

r134, agreed. She did good thing by becoming a teacher instead of some layabout or nepo baby.

r149, no one is making the argument that she'd be completely safe if she were to just dress modestly. People are saying that she and women in general need to take reasonable measures to protect themselves and reduce their risk of being victimized. If someone thinks not jogging in a bra and shorts at 4:30 am in a dangerous neighborhood is being unreasonable because people should be able to do XYZ without being preyed on, then I hope their day-to-day life reflects that reasoning: Keep the car unlocked with valuables in plain site at all times; keep your home unlocked at all times; regularly post on social media about when you'll be away from your home for an extended period of time; log into your bank account using a shared public computer on a public and unprotected wifi network; start an argument with the next angry open carry loon shopping in Walmart appearing as if they're looking for a fight; etc.

Where was this at again? DC or something?

[Quote] too much pushback against a certain untouchable group of people...

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The NY Post made a point of saying it was a nice area.

[quote]And yet some threads get deleted --not locked, but deleted altogether-- because there's too much pushback against a certain untouchable group of people...

Maybe it's because the pushback is against a "group of people" instead of an individual who committed a heinous crime.

Memphis, Tennessee

Don't try walkin' in Memphis!