Heartstopper 2

The full Zoom with Alice and Joe from last night.

I presume Kit is also getting invited to things like the Wimbledon event today - I wonder if he’s just worn out and having time off events or if he’s in LA? Someone mentioned in another thread that he was planning on going this summer.

Nice post from Yaz with Joe and Bash at Wimbledon today.

R2 He for sure was invited to Wimbledon, looks like 90% of Ralph Lauren’s slate in the last couple of days was made up of people from different Netflix shows. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s just tired and taking a break at this point, especially given that he’s much more introverted than the rest of the cast.

So, are there anymore upcoming events before they start filming season 2? Rumors are they'll start filming in September.

Will Gao has a show with his band September 1, Will and Joe Locke have their play running through the month of August, Kit Connor has a TV festival thing in Edinburg with Alice at the end of August. National Television Awards are mid-September so we could see Joe and Kit pop up if they make the final nominees. Kit said he was headed to LA during the summer but I don’t think we know if he’ll do anything work-related. They also tend to pop up randomly at things, so we might see them in and out.

If Kit is headed to LA, I'm sure it'll be work-related--probably to audition and network.

He has said in interviews many times how crucial momentum is in building an acting career, so I'm sure his team is networking like crazy right now to get him out there and strike when the iron's hot.

Will seems more focused on his music.

Is Corinna straight?

I hope they stick to the haircut that Tori gets in the comic so she can escape that awful wig, she looks great with her shorter hair.

I sometimes laugh when I see that Joe or Bash were spotted out with “some guy” because it often turns out to later be Connor. There have been other fan spottings where they see Joe and/or Bash with “a friend” and then later we find out Connor was hanging out with them as well.

Kit and Corinna are straight I think.

R13 How long is Connor in London for? He stayed over two months last time. Now he seems to have become friends with the entire HS cast.

So disingenuous R14

R2 You called it, he’s in LA.

R17 A fan at Olivia Rodrigo concert said they saw Kit with Joe whilst Bash was getting drinks. Either they’re lying altogether or it was someone else.

It’s going to wind up being Connor Jessup or something.

R19 Unless Kit is late posting and was just there for a meeting but I think you’re right.

Kit is in LA. Bash went to see Olivia last night with Connor & Yaz and appears to be back again tonight with Joe. No-one else saw Kit last night & he’s clearly not there tonight ..

R21 The person who ‘saw’ him is definitely at the concert I think but also tweeted ‘am I the drama?’, so they were just winding fans up.

Well obviously. Kits in LA. The tweeter might be at the concert but Kit isn’t.

I gotta say, as a fan of mostly Bash (pre-HS) & a bit Joe, I’ll be glad when HS is over and they can continue life without ‘are they hanging out with a cast member’ & people going skitz about it.

Bash had fans pre-HS?

R22 Saying they saw Kit and Joe together and randomly Bash was not there was just to rile up fans. Kit's off living the dream in LA.

R24 Bash is the only one who had any pre-HS fame. He had DL threads since early last year so yes, he had fans

I was a ‘fan’ yeh. I mean, not actually from any acting work but just cos I thought he was cute 😂 I discovered him via Ty Tennant.. thought he was cute. Followed. HS came on the radar a few months later when the cast started popping up on his Insta.

Is this before or after you met his family?

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They’re casting Sahar through open auditions.

Ahhh the only thing HS was missing on its diversity card - overweight Asian.

Had no idea that there was a separate Trans Pride march, but Yaz marched and spoke at it today.

R31 kizzy was also there but don’t think they spoke.

New Kit thread. Can someone link it in the previous one since it’s paywalled?

Corinna needs to fire her makeup artist (even if it’s herself).

R34, ha she posted about it on twt.

Old video of Rhea and Bash:

This is cute, i love the "wee English fella".

Will seems to be in Morocco rn.

R37 I noticed that as well (from his Instagram story). I wondered if he and Joe are getting in their (separate) holidays now before they begin play rehearsals. It runs through late August so may not have time to go away between it ending and HS season 2 filming starting back up.

Huh, looks like a romantic getaway for two. Wonder who he's spending this holiday with.

He was there for the YSL show. Makes more sense than any of the other cast members going to fashion events, he’s really the only one that can pull off the high fashion stuff.

R40 OH WOW! 😳

I was wondering if he can afford that lavish hotel (R38), i guess someone else paid for it after all!

He was paid to be there, of course he doesn’t pay for his hotel.

He obviously didn’t pay for it, but I’m pretty sure he would have been able to afford it regardless. He seems like he’s from a well-off family like Kit and Bash.

If they’re doing the same thing that was done with the cast and casting as close to the character’s age as possible, Jessup is definitely out.

Isn't Will an actual model? Like, he's signed to a modeling agency, no?

R45 He is. Pretty sure he’s done runway and editorial work.

Kizzy just tweeted about their partner. Happy for them.

Will Joe and Bash follow?

R47 good for kizzy and their partner. I can guess / bet that they have far fewer fans who are going to obsess over them than would over Joe and bash so I get why this wouldn’t necessarily lead Joe and Bash to follow; maybe in a few months but I think they seem to be enjoying their “never say anything never deny” approach

[quote]their... them

Oh, dear.

NTA shortlist generally comes out in mid august, so when Joe is doing the play. It’ll be a bit of a shit day for him if he doesn’t make the shortlist, especially if Kit does. I don’t see either winning given the broader popularity of the shows most of the other nominees are in, but maybe the Heartstopper fans brigaded enough to get them (more specifically Kit) enough votes.

R50 Joe might be expecting it on some level. Kit mentioned that Joe was tracking their IMDB rankings and texted him when he cracked the top 10 (which Joe didn’t), he’s seen that Kit has a million more followers than him on Instagram, and Kit already got a Dorian Award nomination without Joe.

R51 I don't think it would be a total shock but sure it would still be a bit gutting, especially given Joe is actually gay and it is legitimately his first role while Kit's been acting for 10 years. I'm pretty sure "Rising Star" just this year replaced "Newcomer" too and the latter term would have been a bit absurd for Kit. Do agree though he's probably to some extent anticipating that could happen, probably a bit of a pain nonetheless especially as you know he'll still need to post on social media right away about how happy he is for Kit etc. to avoid fan drama

Kit is still a newcomer or raising star in actual productions as a lead character. He also had the best material in S1 and the whole thing was focused on Nick's coming out. Joe will have more time to shine and have more focus when the whole eating disorder/self harm/body dysmorphia whatever else the fuck Alice gave him storyline comes out while Kit won't have much to do other than playing the supportive perfect boyfriend.

R52 Joe seems like a good kid and I think he’ll genuinely be happy for Kit so he would post on social media congratulating him no matter what. It also benefits him that Kit and the show do well this season so that when he has the meatier material next season the show will already be in the good graces of critics and on the radars of award bodies and have momentum to build on.

R53 Kit’ll still have pretty decent stuff (the Menorca scene on the beach with his mom comes to mind), but I like that the show’ll switch off so they both get their season to shine.

Looked up the cast’s most recent IMDB rank to see how they’re doing:

Joe Locke - 3,852 Kit Connor - 961 Yasmin Finney - 3,939 William Gao - 8,180 Cormac Hyde-Corrin -  14,876 Tobie Donovan - 29,283 Rhea Norwood -  17,005 Sebastian Croft - 3,473 Olivia Colman - 1,274 Corinna Brown - 27,052 Jenny Walser - 16,345 Kizzy Edgell - 30,599

Kit beating out Olivia and Bash beating out Joe and Yaz are both quite funny. Thanks for the info R55, I honestly don’t fully know what makes up the rankings but it’s interesting to read!

New Will shoot.

The author is on Twitter answering fan questions aka whining about the pressure. It’s an 8 episode season of 20 min per episode adapted from existing work. It’s been two months since the show was announced as renewed, let alone the time since before the renewal was announced where she could have worked on it. And she’s getting passive aggressive when fans ask if S2-3 will be filmed back to back because the actors are noticeably older, saying “ i'm not a superhuman who can just write the scripts in 2 minutes!!” 2 months, two minutes… but of course if Netflix is willing to coddle them then the laziness doesn’t really matter

What a horribly snarky answer to a very polite question. She needs to let this script go. She isn’t a script writer, she’s an author. Let the professionals write the scripts but still give her decent involvement. I know she’s desperate to be 100% involved in this show but it’s not how the world works & she appears to be struggling with her deadlines & responsibilities. I swear some people don’t live in the real world. If only I could tell my boss I need mental health breaks every month!

Alice is the ultimate frau.

Some sex would probably really help her feel less stressed. Damn.

Something seems off with Alice

She’s a right little bitch isn’t she. That poor fan asking a perfectly reasonable question about how they’ll film the next two seasons. She even continues to dig at the question in tweets underneath. The original tweeter replied to try & explain himself so clearly he felt her bitch of a response. Fuck off & be grateful you have this opportunity Alice. That you have so many fans interested in your mediocre book.

She really needs a male screenwriting collaborator, I very much enjoyed HS but some of her dialogue was cringeworthy at best.

The way Ben is described in Solitaire:

[italic]Ben Hope is the guy at Higgs. And by the guy, I mean that one boy in the Sixth Form who every single girl in the entire school has a crush on. There is always one. Tall and slim built. Skinny trousers and tight shirts. He usually straightens his dark-brown hair, and I swear to God it defies gravity because it swishes in a kind of organized vortex, but when he doesn’t straighten it, it’s all curly and he just looks so cute you want to die.

He always appears to be serene. He skateboards. I, personally, do not “fancy” him. I’m just trying to express his perfection.

Alice generally isn’t a good writer imo but especially has no film experience and it shows. Shes someone who also suffers (both in quality of writing and in whininess and lack of grit) from having succeeded too early. She was published at what, 18? For Solitaire and presumes having no job but sitting down and writing with a guaranteed payout from the publisher or in this case Netflix is “high stress” and expects people to feel bad about burnout. Luckily for them, most fans are jobless teenagers who coddle the shit out of them and tell them to take breaks and take care of themselves, instead of an adult audience with actual stressful jobs who would not handle the same bitching well at all. Even if you want creative control and Input, this is a fucking adaptation - hand the existing plot points over to Netflix writers to adapt and maintain veto power and exclusive control over new scenes. Done.

Next season will be about male anorexia?

How fun, Alice.

R62 She’s been open about being burnt out for a couple of years now. That’s what’s wrong with her. She would benefit from delegating a bit, but she seems too Type-A to let go of control of the show.

Alice also apparently posted this - so people aren’t even allowed to view or repost her old art anymore

R69 Pretty sure that’s old and she actually went ahead and took that Tumblr down already. She’s fighting a losing battle and should just let it go.

This woman is WAY too invested in social media. 'Don't share with the world the shit I uploaded to share with the world!'

Will Connor get a cameo?

She’s created a monster, HS was only intended to be a fun side project 6 years ago and now it’s become this

This cracked me up.

R74 Why? I don't get it

R72 no

R72 He’ll be a chaperone on the Paris trip with 0 lines.

R69 I think that request is perfectly reasonable - like she said, it was art from a much younger Alice that she shared with a much smaller audience. She didn't say people couldn't view it - just repost it for thousands of new people to see. If I suddenly became famous and people started digging out the really dodgy fanfiction I wrote when I was a teenager, I'd be mortified.

[quote] people started digging out the really dodgy fanfiction I wrote when I was a teenager, I'd be mortified.

Tell me you’re a frau without telling me you’re a frau.

Can the next thread include a poll of who are in these threads because I feel like an alien as a gay man here. I don’t care about you people reposting pointless tweets from teenagers and writing paragraph after paragraph about nothing. I know Heartstopper is aimed at you and not actual gay men but still, why discuss it on DL of all places.

There's a weird amount of negativity towards women in these threads/on this website. What century are we in?

[quote] pointless tweets from teenagers and writing paragraph after paragraph about nothing

And the endless gatekeeping

R58 what a self absorbed bitch. What bothers me is she wrote heartstopper the same way she wrote solitaire and loveless (haven't read the books but it's about bunch of asexuals) and that is fine ofc because she relates to aromantic ace people or whatever the fuck they call themselves, she made hs with similar mediocre and boring plotline which is beyond unrealistic.

I was about to ask if Loveless is the same, haven’t read it and have no interest in reading it.

Will shoot and interview. He definitely changes his voice to play Tao.

R84 he’s really suited to fashion. I’m always interested about which of the actors altered their natural voices and accents for the show. Bash sounded a bit different than he generally does but it sounds more like he pitched his voice slightly lower or changed the tone than the accent. Will definitely shifts his voice, and Joe hid his Northern accent pretty well. Yaz didn’t seem to make any effort to pretend not to be Mancunian, it was quite obvious in most of her scenes.

R84 It's insane how much better looking Will is when not playing Tao. Obviously the hair did him zero favours, and he's also said that he had bad acne while filming the first season.

Still can't get over the fact they filmed the beach scene in a meadow.

R87 I think it must've been pickup shots, because there were videos of Kit and Joe actually filming on a beach. Strange, either way!

R88 apparently most of it was on the beach but the last shots from directly overhead, they needed a crane for. Couldn’t get s permit to do that on the beach I believe so they recreated it.

New Joe Locke Thread.

[Quote] she wrote heartstopper the same way she wrote solitaire and loveless (haven't read the books

If you haven't read the books, why are you commenting on how they were written?

R89 Ah thanks, interesting fact!

Alice posted this on Tumblr. I haven’t seen this but it also doesn’t surprise me.

One of the big plot points in book 5 is sex and how Nick and Charlie navigate their mutual desire to take that next step So, she's definitely not shying away from the topic. Since the show is aimed a little younger than the books, it will be interesting to see how they cover that, assuming they get a final season to cover book 5.

R91 I have heard about the books, but I know that they're about, bitch. Fraus everywhere jfc.

Alice, Joe and Bash today.

Alice talks like whiplash. Rants on twitter about not wanting to show them having sex & having ‘big asexual plans’ for her already asexual TV show. Then whinges about fans being upset that they might have sex. FFS. It’s just sex, a part of life (a fantastic one). It’s not this massive thing that takes 5 books to build up too. 5 books!! They are teenage boys! Yeh, your first time is a big deal, probably awkward & a bit painful. But most people are glad to get it over with so you can then go on to have much more sex that you don’t overthink as much! Alice has a very peculiar relationship with the idea of sex. It really shouldn’t be this complicated!

Fans have discovered that Cormac (Harry) follows Andrew Tate on Instagram - hadn't heard of him before, but a quick research shows that he's a monumental arsehole, misogynist, history of violence etc. So not great.

Might have taken his character research a little too seriously.

Jokes aside, he’s basically the only cast member we haven’t seen socialize with his fellow castmates outside of the show. I initially assumed it was because of age (I believe he’s the youngest of the bunch) but maybe it’s something to do with that.

R99 he seems to be the most traditionally “blokey” of the main cast; he hangs out with and follows I think everyone who played one of the rugby boys and used to play FIFA with them on set. Kit is the main other person who seems to follow them and be friends with them which makes sense as he says those were some of his favourite scenes to film. He and Tobie both said Bash’s “don’t let the game go soft!” Line was an ad lib as Bash was told to cheer on the rugby team in that scene and had no clue what to say so just yelled one of Cormac and the rugby boy’s FIFA phrases. I also presumed age and some personality incompatibility (not dislike, just being different) were the big reasons he does his own thing.

Cormac said in an interview he can’t wait to hang out with the cast when turns 18, so I presume that’s still the case.

R100 Here's the video of Cormac and Tobie talking about it:

[quote]I also presumed age and some personality incompatibility (not dislike, just being different) were the big reasons he does his own thing.

Yeah, I agree. Cormac just seems like a typical, straight bloke. I'm sure he's cool with queer people, but like a lot of typical straight guys, he just can't relate to them on any real level. I've met tons of straight guys like this, who harbor no real ill will to queer people, but can't empathize beyond their own heteronormative experiences to actually associate with us in real life or care about what affects us as a community.

This is why they don't think twice about following people like Andrew Tate, Logan Paul or Pewdiepie, because they connect with that example of masculinity, without connecting the dots that they are shitty people who've done some shitty things to marginalized communities.

It takes a rare straight guy who is able to open their mind and see beyond the end of their own noses. Either they know someone personally in their family who is queer or been exposed at a young age to being around queer people. I think Kit is one of them, maybe because he's been exposed to so many queer people in the industry.

Since the Kit thread was weirdly deleted - he signed with WME.

His last thread was deleted too. And not surprising he's going to try to go full Hollywood.

Cormac unfollowed the account. Kit was also unfollowing an iffy account and he unfollowed it and directly addressed it on Twitter.

R106 obviously I don’t think any of them should be following shitty accounts (it seems The YT Channel kit was following was misogynistic, and obviously Cormac’s was terrible as well plus Bash’s whole JD thing) but i feel for these literal teenagers being asked to account for every follow and like they make on every platform. And while Kit’s statement was probably smart now of course people are using it to say Cormac, Bash, and Joe (who replied to some twitch streamer who apparently said something shitty 4 years ago) need to also issue statements disavowing the accounts that the fans find problematic. No wonder they all seem to be letting their PR more or less run their twitters recently.

R107 Totally agree - yeah, it sucks if someone you like is following an arse, but it isn't then the fans' responsibility to tell these people who they *should* be following. Or to regularly keep track of who they follow so they can be ready to pounce if it's someone they don't like. But everyone's so terrified of 'cancellation' nowadays that they'll hurry to put it right.

If you put yourself out there, people will comment...

It’s especially disingenuous coming from the HS fans on Twitter right now, it looks like they’re all dogpiling on whatever cast member will take heat off of their respective favorite. I’ve seen people calling out Kit (for the Instagram follow), Cormac (for the Instagram follow), Corinna (for supporting Johnny Depp), Bash (for supporting Johnny Depp), Will (for supporting Johnny Depp), and Joe (for tweeting that Twitch streamer).

new Kit Connor thread

I don't blame Muriel deleting the Kit threads with that many duplicates...

The funny thing is that the one that was deleted was the only active one at the time. Now there are 3 new ones to make up for the deleted one. It’s like a Hydra.

And it's a surefire way to get Muriel to ban Kit from the site. The Maddenflynn fangirls know how that works.

I may be alone in this, but I still find it incredible that anyone spends their days searching the follows and retweets of an 18 year old actor they do not know, nor will ever meet. Demanding ideological purity. Stalking their parents, siblings, friends, their school, for scraps of information. Asking questions about their intimate relationships.

What satisfaction does this provide for those who indulge in this? Is this some kind of twisted 2022 illusion of intimacy?

You're surprised that people don't want to support someone if that person supports ignorance, toxicity etc.?

R115 to be fair a lot of the fans doing that are young and will hopefully / likely be embarrassed about it in a few years. Still exhausting to read about and for the cast to see in the interim I’m sure, but 14-15 year olds are always going to be over the top in some ways.

R116 I definitely agree if they support certain negative beliefs etc you wouldn’t want to support them; I more feel bad for them that it’s no longer enough to overall show you believe a certain thing (that you’re a feminist or support the community etc.), you have to never follow anyone who isn’t those things even unwittingly and if you do, unfollowing isn’t enough, you need a statement. Tbf I definitely think it depends on the severity of what happened but Kit realizing he followed someone who said misogynistic things and unfollowing them could easily have been the end of it for me. I don’t like that there’s pressure to also make a statement disavowing them and drawing more attention to it - as people are now asking from Bash, Joe, Will, etc.

Yet the same people scrutinizing their every little social media move complain about them not interacting as with fans as much anymore. Wonder why, dummies.

Welcome to stan culture. This is not new, or news

Joe deleted the tweet to the Twitch streamer…would love to be a fly on the wall in the cast’s group chat.

It doesn't take that long to make a clarifying tweet. KC didn't seem put out. Why are you?

R115 It is very odd, but sadly it isn't new! These parasocial relationships have been around for ages. Especially with teens. There's sometimes even a level of delusion that they'll actually be best friends or partners with this person in the future, as they're meant to be together but just haven't met yet. Idolising famous people makes teenagers go a bit nuts.

I was involved in a few fandoms growing up, and you really do see it all. Many people have almost no lives at all and just base their entire week around waiting for the next episode of a TV show (when that was the way TV worked...). I even came across a few Ant & Dec fans who had some sort of restraining order in place because they followed them around, constantly and angrily tweeted them, found out their address and knocked on their door etc. So weird.

R121 Ah yes, because his very carefully worded (maybe helped by his team) tweet gave so much away. I imagine he wasn't thrilled. He doesn't much like social media - there's a reason he's almost never on it - and likely doesn't love the fact that people are analysing who he follows, what he likes, etc.

R123 I'm sure he's on social media a lot. He retweeted the "gym bro" comment, which he wasn't even tagged on, so he's definitely browsing and searching himself. He's just not posting on it.

"I don't like social media." "I search my name." Make it make sense.

I don't think he's *definitely* searching himself - though I don't doubt he has at some point. But there are other ways to find out about tweets - I think Bash had liked that gym bro tweet shortly before Kit replied to it, so he may have told him about the tweet. Kizzy has also talked about being the person that will pass on tweets in the group chat. Kit has talked about it being important not to spend too much time on social media, and also about wanting to take a break from it lately.

What Kit says doesn't have to actually reflect his behavior.

R127 I think he's full of shit like majority of us. We act arrogant and defensive but deep down we all know we stalk 18 year olds on social media.

Remarking on someone's social media usage is hardly stalking, dear.

R129 I meant generally, airhead. Majority of people on HS related threads mainly Joe bash and kit threads do research on them and their families like their life depends on it.

The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.

Finally got around to reading some of this and one, it's pretty fucking boring a couple volumes in and doesn't get less boring and is god awful cheesy. And two, I'm surprised people have such a dramatic reaction to Ben in the manga. He's just there for like 2 minutes and is an asshole, but what I've heard about him being a complete psychopath was a massive exaggeration. He's a random giant slut who wants to fuck around with everyone. Nothing exciting or new.

R132 He becomes irrationally paranoid about Charlie outing him and beats Charlie up in Solitaire (the book that the Heartstopper comic is spun off from), which is what causes the ire against the character.

Yaz won the Attitude Pride Icon Award tonight.

Alice finding and liking random tweets hating on one of her characters is amusing.

I hope some of the cast do a Great British Bake Off special at some point (a few of them talked about it on Twitter and Matt Lucas said he was up for it) - I feel like it'd suit them really well. They'd be able to relax and have a laugh without a formal interview, and we'd get to see a bit more of how they get on with each other.

I don't think it would be a good idea for Kit. What if he laughs? He might cover his mouth in flour.

I highly doubt they’d do a special for HS, mostly due to its young audience & the fact it’s a Netflix show, not a C4 show. They did an It’s A Sin special last year maybe? .. a show which reached a far wider audience & was on C4. It also had Olly Alexander who is a reasonably well known face. My 30+ year old friends/colleagues would have no clue who any of the cast from HS were, most of them haven’t seen it or they caught a bit of it on gogglebox. BUT I can see one or two of them finding their way onto the celeb specials. That def is their kinda fame level. A couple much more known faces from soaps/dramas/sports plus ones who are more niche but non the less have a fanbase who loves them.

[quote]I highly doubt they’d do a special for HS, mostly due to its young audience & the fact it’s a Netflix show

And yet Netflix carries Bakeoff and has presented the Derry Girls (also carried by Netflix) holiday edition.

Still not a Netflix show though. Bake-off is C4. That’s who it is produced for. The live series is shown on C4, not Netflix. Netflix just pay to have old series on there. Same with Derry Girls. Only season 1 is on Netflix, im warding it at the mo & having to watch season 2 onwards on All4 with bloody adverts 😩

Corinna sang at an event recently. A pretty musically-inclined cast in general.

I see Alice is having *another* break from social media. Her monthly ‘I can’t cope with life’ tweet. Just get off social media & write woman, stop bleating on about woe is me and join the real world where you have to get up & show up to work everyday. Where you have to navigate life without being perpetually offended by everything and just push past the shit. She’s so annoying!

Must be hard making 60 million pounds a year

Apparently there are a lot of suicides in Malibu beach houses.

R142 she's so entitled, must be extremely hard writing scripts about romance that sounds like something 8th graders would written for their essays. It's a hit because it's got all kind of gen z crap in it, she did nothing special.

Kit threads and replacement kit threads getting deleted, damn. Is there an active one I’m missing now?

Active one got deleted. Can try this old one perhaps

That chic got so high and mighty off Kit liking her tweet she created a fucking counsel to actively watchdog the fandom. WTF. She’s gonna be grey before she’s 18.

vomit

Turns out she was also one of the people calling Bash out for all the JD stuff. Really enjoying her high horse and this accountability bullshit.

[quote] enjoying her high horse

just like dl you mean?

More petty teenage girl fandom drama bs dragged over here. Leave ‘‘em to it or admit you’re part of the problem

Serious question. Does one get hickey after getting kissed on neck?

Not from the kissing Alice drew. No wonder Nick was surprised.

Is there a new Kit thread somewhere?? Why are they all getting deleted?!

[Quote] Is there a new Kit thread somewhere?? Why are they all getting deleted?!

Yes.

R154 maybe that's the closest the frau has gone with intimacy

R157 Isn't she asexual? So that may well be true. Definitely not realistic with two teenage boys their age, but I guess the show is mostly aimed at younger teenagers so it makes sense in a way. If it's innocent enough that parents will let their children/young teens watch a show about a queer love story then it can only be a good thing.

Will recently dropped a bunch of pictures on IG including one of himself wearing a t-shirt saying he’s mentally dating Kit. Their bromance is quite funny.

Looks like the Joe and Kit threads were delete again. Anyone care to make new threads?

Please don't, not for now. Running the risk of everything being banned. Just use this one or the Locke & Konnor thread. There's nothing going on atm anyway

So, it appears they're done filming in Paris. Did we ever get sightings of them filming at or atop the Eiffel Tower? I don't recall we ever did, but there are scenes in the comic when the gang go up the tower.

I wonder if they filmed at the Tower in private, or they won't visit the Tower in the show, or if they will film against a green screen or something in the studio.

Thoughts?

r163 IIRC there was a picture of Kizzy in costume with a fan where the the tower was taking up the entire background. That’s about all we have.

r160 Kit’s reply to the shirt was funny.

The con posted another video from Joe and Kit’s panel.

New photos from the con as well.

i am surprised

Not that it was needed but Maia has all but confirmed she’s dating Kit in an interview (in Spanish). Gave enough info to make it obvious who she was talking about without naming him. Subtle she was not!

I mean this respectfully, but who cares? We all already figured.

R168

We knew this already It was too obvious. Good for her though

The last time she updated the comic was apparently back in March, so she might hit a year without updates. Not sure at what point that’ll start affecting the show, guess it depends how soon they start on 3.

Wonder if she's freaked out about what the story is building up to since fans are going to have a fit about Nick and Charlie finally fucking in a fade to black scene. Some are legit triggered by the idea of gay sex.

And Maia called out HS fans for shitting on her too. She gives no fucks.

It does have to fade to black, they can pan to a tree perhaps.

R172 Really? What did Maia say?

Maia is argentinean, they are like that. big ego.

If Alice is freaking out, it is likely from the realisation that she needs to create a LOT of new content to fill 2 series. I re-read the books online over the last week and, after the end of book 2 where the tv show left off, there really isn't much in terms of major action going forward. Nick comes out, a major book plot point, but given the rugby scene added to the screen version I am not sure how much more coming out he needs to do. There is Paris, and the realisation of Charlie's mental issues which are a major plot point, but I do not know how dark she intends to go with this. I expect new characters and a lot of B and C stories.

Another of Alice’s answers

So that means she’s not going to go too deep into the dark stuff

I just watched the interview Maia did, she said she has received lately lots of death threats but she find most of them funny lol She said it started because she’s in a movie with someone who has big and passionate fandom. She also mostly said it’s because she’s in a movie with him and that they play a couple there. But she did say he’s hot and nice

She's full of shit. It's rated TV-14, the same as other shows, Stranger Things for one, that say fuck occasionally.

Not sure why they want this show to be a children's show. Kit and Joe gonna be in their 20's if they get a S4 .

Joe is going to be in his 20’s by the time s3 comes out and kit is not very far behind

Actually yeah, forgot Joe's already 17. Mid 20's Kit and Joe playing young teens in a fade to leaves sex scene. Look forward to it.

R182 Err, Joe's already 19 I mean.

Each season is just six 30 minute episodes so there’s not a ton she would even need to add, just expand on Charlie’s mental illness stuff, Nick supporting him and coming out to his dad, the fallout of them being out in school, their pseudo break-up before Nick leaves to college and the angst leading up to it, etc. This isn’t a super high stakes show that needs a ton of shit thrown into it to begin with. Let the strongest actors ACT. And throw the other two main couples some plot here or there.

I thought HS had 16 episodes across the final (?) 2 series...that is actually a lot of screen time to fill. I hope we do not get bogged down in a pile of filler sub-plots with the teachers' new romance, all of that dross. Will be interesting to see what they do with David.

Has Alice/Netflix finally indicated whether 2 & 3 will be filmed back to back?

The show would be better as tv ma… Netflix literally took a children’s Nickelodeon show and made it into a tv ma show. So why can’t they make a ya comic into a tv ma show and actually do it right? What is she gonna do when Charlie tries to kill himself? Just leave out a very important plotline? Also… how come the word fag is allowed but fuck isn’t??? That’s fucking stupid.

She already went back and removed all references to his suicide attempt from the books so it’s a self-harm relapse now instead. Now I’m wondering if that’s even going to make it into the show when before it was a foregone conclusion since it’s referenced multiple times after it happens.

R186 I don't think it needs that exactly. Stranger Things is still TV-14, even after S4 which was basically a horror movie. Young Royals is TV-MA. They are just being really conservative since Alice wants it to be a kid's show.. She could push the envelope a ton without losing their ratings. Their fanbase is also aging, so seems silly not to make things a little more adult and more true to the actual story.

And HS is basically wasting a TV-14 rating s on homophobia and slurs and the Ben assault scene, but otherwise it could probably be lower.

Different countries have different requirements for rating. Alice wants it to be 12+ which isn’t a rating option in the US, so it’s TV-14. In some countries it is accessible to younger viewers. In some countries it’s not.

I don’t think very much of the mental health stuff will be cut. Agree it will be self-harm not suicide. But the topic of Charlie wishing he didn’t exist was already introduced in season one. The show will start getting darker, with less of a focus on romance. But will likely still be handled in a way that keeps it appropriate for young teens.

I think the choice to keep the show accessible to younger teens can be a narrative blind alley, if a solid business decision. OK, Charlie was 14 when they started going out so there is only so much physicality they could realistically show. But when Nick & Charlie are together for a year, 2 years, and they've never done anything but tongue-free kiss? Just a *wee* bit improbable. Granted the show is really little more than an feel-good fantasy, so I just enjoy it for what it is.

Pity about the swearing though, we've lost some pretty solid Nick 'fuck-off! comebacks.

Just saw that Alice followed up on the tweet at r177.

BAFTA Children noms were announced and no Heartstopper, but the Netflix FYC website went live today and the show is under Comedy and not Children’s. Guess they changed strategies entirely? Not sure if this shift happened before or after Children’s Emmy submissions closed, but that’s pretty much the only shot Joe and Kit have now IF they were submitted.

Comedy is a bit of a stretch?

Nothing HS related in the article, but this is sad. Happened when Patrick was in his early 20's.

R193 Lol yeah, comedy is probably the thing they’re WORST at. There are a couple of funny moments, but generally the banter is pretty weak and sometimes cringe.

I just watched the Maia interview and it’s clear that a lot of people don’t speak Spanish because a bunch of the stuff going around was either misinterpreted or mistakenly extrapolated from what she actually said. The only interesting bit IMO was that she was asked if the relationship she’s in is open and she dodged the question and said she’s “very free.”

R196 Oh wow thanks, that's interesting about an open relationship. Someone mentioned that what she said heavily hinted that she's dating Kit (even though we already know this) - is that true? What did she say?

All she said explicitly was that the person she’s seeing is international. I don’t think anyone would have caught on without having been someone that follows either Maia or Kit. The references about her ex were much more explicit (she mentioned Uruguay specifically when alluding to him). The bit about the Heartstopper fans was also stated pretty generally as ire aimed at someone playing a popular actor’s love interest, not ire about her dating him. And the bit someone posted upthread about her supposedly calling Kit hot didn’t happen, I think they misinterpreted because she was referring to Kit having a very active fandom being what is “good and beautiful” when she was leading up to some of the crazier shit the fans have sent her for playing his love interest.

I saw on twitter that someone said she mentioned being in love with Kit. I don’t speak Spanish so I have no clue what she said. Sounds like people on twitter don’t speak Spanish either lol

She never said anything about being in love, the one answer she gave regarding that was when she was asked if she likes someone and she said yes. One of the interviewers used the word love, which might have led to the confusion but it never came out of her mouth and she never answered a question phrased with the word love.

The only funny thing about HS is that anyone thinks it belongs in a comedy category?! It’s not funny, it’s not meant to be funny surely?! It’s a teen drama?! Slightly baffling from Netflix there. It’s like they’ve gone oh, it’s light entertainment, not overly angsty, happy ending = ah yes, a comedy 😐

I think they’re trying to classify it as a romcom, so comedy instead of drama. But other than a few random lines, it’s not a funny show. There was discussion about it being submitted for the children’s Emmy’s. Maybe they thought it has enough widespread appeal in the UK to win an adult BAFTA, instead of children's. Drama seems like a much better category than comedy though.

Maia did say she liked someone but said that she wasn’t going to say who, she also said that she lives her live with freedom so basically that it’s not serious. In another part of the interview, she mentioned that she’s getting death threats bc she’s in a movie with someone with a big fandom snd that’s obviously kit, she said that this guy is hot and nice. so it all implies for me that’s it’s a fling, i don’t think they are going to last. She’s really casual about it.

Maia said ‘el es buenardo’ that means he’s really good in a he’s hot kind of way

Joe and Yaz made the Out 100 list.

r204 Timestamp? Because I never heard her say that.

Pretty interesting how blunt she is about what the relationship is. Kind of what I expected. She has her own life and he has his. Probably won't last long in the end. Hopefully they don't hate each other by the time they have to promote the movie. I doubt they will. Seems like something that'll just naturally cool off the more time they spend apart.

And I wonder if a lot of the hate comes from the Spanish speaking fandom. I noticed they are super intense and a lot more openly want Joe and Kit to fuck IRL.

[quote]she said that this guy is hot and nice

Do you mean the “esta re bueno y es hermoso” part, r203? She said it’s great and beautiful that he has a really active fandom but that some of them kill her and then went on about that. It wasn’t a comment on Kit himself.

R207

I’ve noticed that its the opposite actually. On twt at least, the spanish speaking side were happy and were basically like “we already know that they are dating, good for them type of thing.”

R209 That's true actually, but also on the flip side they are just a lot more open with shipping the actors than in the English speaking fans on twitter in general (Joe and Bash too) so it kind of leads itself to fans constantly fighting. Not that the white folks don't fight and shit, they just fight about people saying anyone is dating.

I feel like shipping actors and noticing actors are together are two different things that most people in this fandom need to learn. Joe literally made a joke about bash “doing” him on his public story there’s no shipping there they just are together. Same with Kit posting a picture of himself shirtless and tagging maia in the post. It’s not some secret that they’re trying to keep, keeping it private yes, but never a secret. Also two different things as well.

[quote]keeping it private yes, but never a secret

I know you likely didn’t do this on purpose, but funnily enough the people that veer more into shipping than acknowledging (making weird fan edits of the couples, being overly invested in a way where they treat the actors like fictional characters) use this quote a lot.

R212 oh I’m aware. I’m speaking for the people who actually have some sense. Passing a microphone isn’t letting everyone in the room know you’re in a relationship. But apparently good buddies are prone to be “kissy and cuddly” in public while everyone is watching so what do I know

This doesn’t have much content but they’re still filming here so I guess it’s going to be a whole new plot point of them going out on the town and whatnot

R214 That better not replace the beach scene.

I want to say it’s not replacing the beach stuff because the Sahar actress isn’t there and her character was in that part of the comic, but who knows.

Like how the person thinks they'll be stalked by old men for some random reason so they won't say where this was when it takes about 30 seconds to figure out it's in Chesham

Charlie’s profile pic was updated on Instagram. It’s quite cute but not sure what’s going on with his hair!

The background in that picture is so confusing to me, is it carpet? If he’s lying down I guess that explains in part the hair. I’m so jealous of his hair regardless

Ohh yeah, good point! He’s almost certainly lying on a rug - thought there was something vaguely strange about the photo.

Bigger/clearer version of the picture.

They for sure shopped his eyebrows in some way, also made more space between them.

R222 they were probably plucked. He obviously had his hair and makeup done before this, since it’s a set picture. His makeup artist must have resided a slightly larger space between his eyebrows was needed this season.

There's more space than he usually has, but he didn't have those eyebrows 3 days ago.

That’s really going to fuck up continuity when filming.

It is. Mind you, there are so many continuity issues anyway unless there’s a gap between seasons 1&2 - Kit for one, with his new teeth and muscles - hopefully no one will notice the eyebrow grooming!

Haven’t gotten around to watching this yet so can’t speak of the content, but a GoldDerby interview specifically means they’re actively campaigning for awards.

R227 Thanks! Awards in general, or specific awards?

GoldDerby is pretty broad in terms of awards, but I’d infer that they’re specifically targeting the acting categories in the winter awards (SAG, GG, etc.). The site is so prominent in terms of awards prognosticating that Gaga was a lurker when she was campaigning for A Star Is Born.

I got around to watching it and, while nothing was really new, they gave great answers. Both super charming.

Kit: One of the hardest things for me is having to be in front of people in real life and be myself.

Bless him, he did very well at the convention then - and that gum chewing was definitely a nervous habit!

Also, here’s the interview on YouTube.

It seems like fame has actually pushed Joe more into introversion - he always used to say he’s very extroverted, now he’s saying ‘I’m not at all, and any social interaction terrifies me’. Poor guy.

R232 I do wonder if it’s a combination of fame and familiarity. He grew up around the same people his entire life and has said he’s been in the same class as some mates since he started school. When you know everyone it’s easy to feel extroverted but be more reticent or shyer around new people. But agreed that fame and insane/entitled fans doesn’t help

Kit: “…these queer shows that were, you know, so rare and to have a show like Heartstopper kind of shows how far [bold]we’ve[/bold] come as a community and as a society…”

Hmm.

r232 I don’t blame him, his life went from 0 to 60 in the blink of an eye.

I wouldn’t be totally surprised if he quits acting, as he doesn’t seem to enjoy some aspects of fame much (I wouldn’t either). I hope he sticks around though - maybe it would be a good idea to take a few slightly niche/less teen based roles for a while, to let the fame die down.

R235 which one, Kit or Joe? I doubt either will quit; i do think Joe would be pretty happy as a “British working actor” rather than a huge LA based star though who knows. He seemed to really enjoy doing the play this past summer. I’m still curious about his agency and representation.

R234 Nice catch! Hmm indeed.

R236 I was meaning Joe - Kit’s definitely not going anywhere! But yeah, I think Joe would be happier doing smaller/UK-based stuff.

r235 If he’s really feeling anxious about the fame he could stick to theatre but I think he has a good support system and will be fine.

Being a shy person and yet being constantly approached on the road, in a shop, an airport, by stans with no sense of personal boundaries, must be stressful as hell -- strangers expecting to be touched, hugged. Incredible really that these 2 teenagers are able to handle this kind of overnight explosion of adulation without melting down.

Filming today

Paris scenes? Can’t think of what they’d be filming there otherwise.

Don’t recognise their outfits from actual Paris filming days, but you never know! Could just be a totally new scene entirely.

They weren’t in Paris very long. I think they’re going to try to blend a lot of UK locations into the Paris scene. That street in Chesham they filmed at will become a Paris side street. Who knows what exactly they’re filming at UCA, likely a new scene.

Art class? Paris museum visit?

Videos.

Clearer shot of Joe.

Okay, it’s meant to be a location in the UK so likely a new scene altogether.

Unsurprisingly, she works at a Starbucks.

R250 I can't wait for Twitter's JoeKit shipper Matt to show up and ask about it. ;)

A recent-ish fan pic from Paris is making the rounds, but not sure where it originally came from.

It’s from some Brasilian girl who was staying at the same hotel as the cast, she stalked them and admitted to waiting 3 hours in the lobby to see Kit. She posted creeper shots of Yaz (and Maia) as well. I guess she’s an influencer or something.

This is the first time I’ve seen this Tiktok and I can’t stop laughing.

Basically same video as r255 but it goes on for a little longer.

R256 iisnt that joes mum halfway through?

R257 Ha, I was just about to comment that... I thought I saw her in another video from today too.

Isn’t she a teacher? It’s half term so makes sense she’d have time to come over and see him

I know we've only seen filming clips here and there, but I've never seen Tobie vlogging... I wonder how much vlogging he's actually doing? I wonder if we'll just get one 'behind the scenes with Tobie' type video this time, rather than the many separate videos we got last year. Would be a shame though.

R260 I genuinely think Netflix will make him pump out at least ~3; given how popular they are and how much they sustained the fan hype plus the fact they helped him edit them for s1, it’s an easy marketing choice

It’s charming how they revert back to teenagers in between takes.

R261 I don’t think Netflix was that involved in Tobie’s vlogs. He filmed and edited them himself and then reached out to Netflix to get permission to post them. Netflix then gave him the graphics to make the vlogs tie in better with the Heartstopper brand.

Also, a lot of the footage in Tobie’s s1 vlogs was him in his apartment, dressing room, or car explaining what was happening. He probably is still getting fun little BTS shots, but I doubt we’ll have a separate vlogs for every day he’s on set.

Now that the entire cast is now famous, Tobie probably talked with everyone about their comfort level of what he’s filming. Except there to be less clips of them just acting silly.

R263 I don’t think they were involved in filming them to be clear, but in editing them I think they had some involvement? Not totally sure but they’d be silly not to have him involved this season in the marketing; toss him 15K for 3 videos or something. I guess we’ll see after the show!

The timing of this tweet…poor Edvin has no idea.

Nooo Edvin. YR fans were telling HS fans to stay away yesterday since people were going to move to that fandom.

This slipped through the net in the Twitter chaos yesterday. Cute.

They all love to carry each other.

They’re working today.

Joe, Kit, and Joe’s mom.

Oh good, he's got his Heartstopper gang around him. Hopefully working and becoming another character is a good distraction today...

Christ, film/television work looks boring.

This is from yesterday and not super interesting, but in the replies the OP says that they’ll be there “for few day [sic].”

R271 is that from yesterday?

This was just tweeted (and I suspect is from yesterday and not today), but hopefully one of the information-gathering stalkers comes through and asks.

r275 Not sure because it’s been posted unsourced, I’ll let you know if I find out.

There we go.

Joe, Yaz, Tobie, Kizzy. Does anyone recognize the girl on the couch at the beginning?

She looks vaaaaguely familiar so probably one of Joe's friends? Could be making that up entirely.

Could be a random crew member if they’re staying in their HS accommodations.

R279 I know what girl you are thinking of, but that's not her I don't think. Probably a crew member

Think it’s one of his IOM friends. Maybe she goes to the uni they’re filming at.

Also, everyone else seems to be dressed fairly modestly and there's Yaz in some sort of bathing suit. Classic.

Tobie and Bash.

Kizzy.

R285 I think she and Joe are both dressed as princess Diana. Bash is I guess Tobie

Yaz and Kizzy.

I’m seeing quite a few accounts (that had an issue with Joe) suddenly tweeting again with the Halloween content.

Also, switching pronouns within a sentence should be banned.

R288 Jesus. They'd give it his all. You don't have to mix it up. Just pick one they use and leave it at that.

And of course they start posting again. People were already realizing they were acting a fool other than that one group of people.

Wonder where Kit is.

I don't think I've ever seen a picture of Kit dressed up for Halloween or at a Halloween party so he might not be a Halloween person.

Ha, Kit and Will are potentially behaving like the introverts they are, and avoiding a party. Or maybe they’re just filming/tired/not much into Halloween.

R291 Where’s that from?

I suspect they’re partly posting this stuff to either a) send a subtle message that they’re having a good time, eff the haters etc or b) let the concerned fans know that they’re okay. Or both.

I enjoy Yaz’s commitment to that photo.

Confused as to where the R291 photo has come from as it hasn’t popped up on any of my socials!

Someone on Twitter just mentioned the cast photo is from Lucy Shimmin on Instagram, not sure who she is

Yeah, from her Instagram Stories. Looks like an IOM friend?

That is Joe's friend. His old prom date. She's hung out with Bash and Joe before. Anons were right. She goes to the University of Chichester.

Surprised she isn't following Yaz and Kizzy yet. She follows Bash, Tobie, and Kit right now.

She also follows and is followed by both Joe and Bash’s finsta.

R300 How can you see that when her account is private?

R301 Her account is public, you may be confused because she hasn’t uploaded any pictures and only uses her stories.

I believe she’s also the one who took / posted this pic pre show.

If you go on Lucy’s tagged photos (as I just creepily did), there are a few old photos of Joe dotted around.

Also some old performing pics of Joe on this account - some require a bit of squinting!

Video from the second day of shooting at UCA, there’s a cute bit of Kit carrying Will and Tobie carrying Joe.

A number of Nick and Charlie costumes this year.

Cute

Don’t seem to have had much weekend content from filming - I guess most of the students aren’t there at the weekends.

This is cool:

[quote]Netflix will be the first streamer in the world to have its series and films preserved in the British Film Institute (BFI) National Archive collection. Over the next five years, hundreds of Netflix U.K. productions deemed to be culturally significant and selected by BFI curators will be preserved in the BFI National Archive’s digital preservation infrastructure as part of the U.K.’s national collection of film, television and the moving image.

So Kit just came out as bi

Kit's tweet.

Thought it was some sort of fake Kit account for a second when I first read it. Definitely far from ideal for the poor guy. Twitter is basically a curse for the cast.

Again, as with Joe, I hope he can recognise that it’s only a very small portion of the fans.

I feel vindicated because I’ve been saying this on here the whole time (I recognize my own) and also fucking awful that it came to this.

R314 Me too - he literally liked a tweet about beating the straight allegations, of course he’s not bloody straight. And yet anyone suggesting that on these threads was instantly dismissed (mostly cos he’s dating a woman).

Alice and Patrick have replied, thank GOD. I was about to kick off if they stayed silent again, haha.

Kizzy’s reply made me really sad, how miserable must he have been over all of this?

I feel really badly for all the cast. Been a shite few days for them. Glad Alice, Patrick, and kizzy have replied though honestly a bit pissed they can condemn this so strongly but are totally silent re the Joe and Bash cyber bullying. Kit absolutely deserves their support but so do the other young actors.

Only thing I figure is it hasn't bothered Joe and Bash as much as it's bothered Kit. From Kizzy's tweet sounds like it's been a major source of pain for him.

Though I still wish Alice and Patrick would fucking say something. Bash has been likened to an abuser for months and people were saying Joe isn't fit to play Charlie and dismissed SA victims.

Would be a great time for Alice to condemn everything going on honestly instead of tweeting about Halloween

Going by the wording of their tweets, they do seem annoyed with the Heartstopper fandom.

Alice is a useless hag. She should've spoken up way back defending the young cast members. But tweeting about how filming be causing her stress every alternate day is more important.

R319 I agree it seems like more of a pain point for Kit and to be clear sm not downplaying it at all. It sounds like this was really difficult for him and I don’t want to act like he didn’t deserve their support. However setting a precedent earlier on of stepping in for a very young cast would’ve been helpful. It’s genuinely a matter of luck for them that Joe has the mental fortitude to ignore or brush past people attacking his looks and morals whenever another show gets cancelled or he likes the wrong tweet. They’re genuinely lucky bash hasn’t had a meltdown and tweeted something snappy about conflating him with an abusive character and the toll it takes. Psycho fans accuse the cast of a lot by using Alice’s name as a victim (“poor Alice has a queer baiter in her show” “poor Alice, their story of sex abuse is ruined by victim blamer Joe”) and Alice and Patrick should have frankly stepped up long ago to firmly push back on all this.

Kit being forced out would be a great time to make a blanket statement about how the cast is being treated. Fuck, NETFLIX should come out at this point and say something. These kids are being tormented???

R320 Trolls did the queerbaiting thing, but HS fans might have thought they meant well but they did keep trying to bring up his sexuality and looking for proof of what it was by anything he said, did or wore. Think the guy wanted to be left alone and wasn't allowed to be either way.

Read the comments under Kit's comments. It had for sure spread to IG too.

r325 It looks like some of the same trolls from Twitter, too. The Heartstopper fans deserve their own wing in an insane asylum.

R325 Bloody hell, I didn’t know it was that bad - his tweet makes a bit more sense then. Maybe he read those comments this evening, and that along with the Joe/Bash stuff tipped him over the edge.

He’s getting a lot of love at least, I just saw that Edvin and Omar from Young Royals tweeted their support.

This does suck for him but he’s going to get a lot of praise and support. Maia and multiple cast members have liked and tweeted at him, Edvin and Omar as well, pink news and attitude, etc. the cast seems very supportive so while I hope he’s able to take a day or two off filming if he needs it, I’m sure having a supportive queer community his age around him who gets the insanity of the fan base will help.

I will say I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the beginning of a gloves off approach for most of them. Obviously many are taking or have taken a big step back from social media altogether but I wouldn’t be surprised to see more direct fiery responses Re hate in the future - people outright tweeting “reminder bash isn’t his character”, “no one owes you ther sexuality”, etc. they’ve all been careful with the fanbase due in part to most of them being young but when they’re driving one lead off Twitter fully and accusing him of supporting sex abuse, another comes back just to say he felt outed, and the guy playing the villain clearly feels attacked and harassed for everything he says, I don’t think there’s an obligation to be super sweet.

I wonder if him and/or Joe will do any kind of interview about this last week and the toxicity of social media. It’s gonna end up in some articles anyway…

And of course people are still drawing lines in the sand and being fucking pricks

Wonder if Joe will reactivate his account to say something. I think fans would leave him alone? Maybe. Probably not though. Though he could be asleep. Not sure why Kit decided to come out at midnight. Was he doom scrolling on his phone in bed? Don't do that Kit.

R331 Oh well fuck them and nevermind.

Joe still has nothing to apologize for.

yeah stay away Joe

I think if Joe says something, it’ll be an Instagram story. More importantly, he’ll be supportive in person.

I think Joe is off Twitter for good. It seems to be absolutely catastrophic for his mental health; the fact that he would delete the app even when he still had the account and even the fact that he went from pre show confidently saying he was very extroverted to self identifying as a strong introvert really shows how the fans / haters (and often a strong overlap) fucked with him. Agree re a probable IG story and strong in person support. Attitude and pink news are commenting on Kit’s post; if one of those two publications makes a post about forcing people to come out I can see him reposting it to his story.

Side note: that maira girl has used this as an excuse to come off priv and say that she made kit feel more comfortable unlike the rest of twt and that Joe blocking her was “more complicated than it seems”. These fans are so fucking toxic; three cast members having horrific online experiences back to back and they’re putting them against one another.

While normally I’m semi interested in stupid tweets from fans, this week on Twitter has been shit enough without bringing their toxicity into it over and over again. Can we stop?

Sure, though was actually curious if they'd let the Joe crap go and doesn't seem like they have. The lack of self awareness is pretty amazing.

R336, apologies, I brought up the maira girl in 335. Happy to stop as that seems the more popular thinking in the threads; just unbelievably insane to see how the cast is still treated after 3 of them having awful social media experiences in the past 3 days

The thing with social media is that it doesn’t matter what people say or do, there will always be trolls and idiots. They can never be fully eradicated and people are fighting a losing but frustrating battle - the only thing to do is to remove yourself from social media itself. Which I really hope the cast fully do.

R335 Sorry last comment about twitter idiots, but now that's she's public, I can't see what she said to really earn a block that day. Joe must have known about her previously and didn't like her tweet about Bash being obligated to say something. She was annoying as shit as usual, but nothing majorly nasty (for her) and didn't actually reweet or comment to Bash or Joe.

Kit’s gained something like 30k followers on Twitter and a lot of people I follow with no interest in the show are tweeting about him. His tweet might wind up being a flashpoint on the discussion of queerbaiting and representation.

R340 Actually nm, should have scrolled more, which Joe probably did. She was really shitting all over him and using Joe to do it

R341 Let's hope the queerbaiting shit dies for everyone. Most gay/queer people don't even give a shit. Honestly it's really awful to forcibly out an 18 year old

As much as I enjoy Russell T Davies’ writing, his completely ridiculous statement about ‘only queer people should play queer characters’ really hasn’t helped things on this topic. Actors are actors - just like you don’t need to cast a murderer to play a murderer to get a convincing performance, you don’t need to cast queer to play queer. It’s the new level of wokeness gone mad.

(Obviously Kit IS queer, but a lot of the comments were around the fact that they thought he was straight playing a queer role.)

R343 I honestly get what RTD meant but I think it gets REALLY dicey when it comes to teens. Even asking a 16 year old much less expecting them to know and be comfortable sharing is a lot and not really appropriate. I say this as someone who has always supported Joe most in the cast because he’s out - not because I thought he “owed it to anyone” but because I knew it would likely impact his opportunities sadly.

Also wondering if Kit wants to be “done with this” so to speak: while kizzy tweeted their support and obviously Alice and Patrick did too / Tobie and Leila have liked supportive posts, leila and kizzy also both posted on their stories pretty shortly after. One of Leila’s was a fairly buried post - pic of cori from a Netflix Canada account posted yesterday in the middle of a bunch of pics. Seems somewhat random unless kit feels he’s said his piece and wants to move on and they’re helping facilitate that.

If Will, Joe, and Bash don’t say anything by morning then I think you’re right and they’ve agreed to move on. Those three seem really fond of Kit so I can’t imagine they wouldn’t say something if given the chance.

90k tweets, Jesus.

Poor Kit. It’s never going to end.

R348 I mean you have to at a certain point ignore those trolls. It’s like the people constantly finding a reason to call Joe ugly or saying Yaz is a man or insinuating bash is a racist / abuser. They’re unhinged; it sucks they obviously got to and hurt kit but sadly they’re always going to exist for the cast members

Update to r341, he hit a million followers. Probably the shittiest way to do so.

Poor thing! Teenage girls are fucking brutal. I hope Kit, Joe and Bash all have a solid support system. It’s been a rough couple of day.

I haven't been following news about the show recently. Can someone please give a Cliffs note version of the comments above about Joe upsetting SA victims. I don't feel like reading 350 replies.

Thanks and yes I'm an elder gay with the Cliffs notes reference.

I'm just gonna paste some of my old summary

R352

Bash got asked to clarify an interview where he said he hoped people would empathize with Ben being a closet case. Some people were nice, some weren't. None of them have reading comprehension. But he did and was very nice about it. Joe obviously felt he shouldn't have to and liked two fan tweets, one about them bullying Bash. See below. Adding insult to injury to them the JoeBash candies is someone they've been fighting with for months for publicly saying Joe and Bash fuck (a bit weird, but she's not lying...).

All fans started @ Joe asking him to unlike those tweets and explain himself but Joe didn't and instead blocked a big Bash hater, who is a Joe fan but often uses Joe's name to insult Bash. She's been mentioned a time or two here (lately too often). The girl never @ Bash or Joe, so not exactly sure how he knew about her but he did. Her little fan group starting saying he was blocking anyone who was trying to "educate" him and dismissing SA victims so they turned on him and demanded he explain, unblock and apologize. Then he deactivated his account. In the end, he only blocked that one girl.

They are some still mad about it, but most people think those fans went too far.

Thanks R353.

I don't understand why this show has such a toxic fandom. As someone who grew up gay in the 80's, I would have been over the moon for a show like this. This subset of fans only seem to derive pleasure from tearing it and the cast apart. I feel sad for them.

R354 there’s some truth to the old adage that the bullies were often bullied. There are a lot of outcast kids who watch the show and project hardcore onto the characters and through them the actors. The issue is the comic is, by Alice’s own admission, escapism and written to be positive and always lighthearted. Of course Charlie never gets so sick of people bullying his boyfriend that he blocks people online; of course Nick never snaps and tweets his coming out to a million people. They’re fictional. But the fans expect them to be mind readers. They called bash out for the interview and then said @how were we meant to know it was s mistranslation?” They want the cast to be down to earth and relatable and interact with them and listen to their coming out stories ad nauseum but also be “role models” and not block unhinged fans because they “have a platform”. There’s no winning and no gratitude.

Excellent summation r355.

Nice that the cast is rallying round. Guessing bash and Rhea are filming to be replying this hour instead of last night (and accidentally semi confirming the Ben / Imogen storyline everyone guessed anyway)

Hopefully they’ve given Kit a couple of days off so he can go home and see his family.

I know there’s always been chat about Kit but what specifically forced him out the closet yesterday? His tweet sounds like there was some kinda tipping point? What happened?

As in, all I’ve seen this weekend is Joe & Bash shit. What made him feel the need to re-activate twitter on a Monday night & come out?

R361 We’re never going to know for sure unless he comes out and says what triggered it himself, but the most plausible theories right now are the pushes to get him fired from the show for queerbaiting (#kitconnorgoawayfromheartstopper was one of the tags the trolls were pushing on Twitter) and that the harassment migrated from Twitter to Instagram (expand the comments under his reply in this post to see some of it).

Yeah those comments under Maia’s post were pretty brutal, as we saw with Joe the other day, it’s a whole different ballgame for them when people start messing with their partners. People are dicks.

Hate that this is what made him reactivate.

Genuinely two unbelievably nice thoughtful kids who could not have been punished with a shittier fanbase

I don't get why this fandom is so bad. The age group it attracts? I've been in tons of fandoms for shows, games, anime, etc. and have never seen anything like this. This show is big in it's own way, but not exactly huge. Maybe because it's kind of a bit niche it has a more obsessed fandom and less of the random general public to balance out the craziness.

R367 I think it is a combination of a few things. First w young hyper woke fanbase - they don’t have the emotional development to see their favs as real multifaceted people and view everything as black and white (as the Joe and bash drama re Ben showed). This combined with most being young and not having jobs or real life friends means most of their friends and time are online and they hyper fixate. Secondly, a preexisting fanbase for the show because of the comic plus unknown actors means a lot of people had the opportunity to develop parasocial connections with the cast in the year between casting announcements and show release, and the cast was too new and eager to realize the boundaries they’d have to put up. Now it’s difficult to backtrack and set those boundaries. Thirdly and related to the two above - they cannot separate actor from character. Bash is Ben; Joe supporting let alone dating him undermines their fantasy of him being Charlie and with Nick/kit, and kit not being openly bi “takes away” from Nick. They’re all insane but I genuinely hope w lot of them are capable of growth and will cringe and feel bad about how they bullied teen actors in 10 yearsZ

He’s getting a lot of support from actors and performers within the UK. Also saw a couple of MPs tweeting him support as well.

I honestly don’t think the fandom is bad compared to fandoms in general. It’s just BIG, and a small ish group of chronically online, chronically offended people like to stir things up. It’s the same in basically every young fandom - you get some bullies and some entitled idiots. The Glee fandom was way worse (people used to angrily freak out if Chris and Darren hung out and didn’t take a photo together).

One frustrating thing is that the fans as a whole are now being tarred with the same brush - it’s the ‘toxic Heartstopper fandom’. Whereas everyone I know in real life who loves Heartstopper (mostly people in their 20s/30s) are very nice people, not obsessed with the show but still follow the cast and occasionally interact. I’d suspect that’s the vast majority of people, but they just aren’t heard as loudly as the bullies.

R370 not to split hairs because I agree with you - I think it’s almost the fandom / fanbase distinction isn’t it? The overall larger base of fans is generally pretty mild and nice. They enjoy the show, follow the actors on social media and root for them; maybe have a particular favourite and occasionally cringe at a misstep one of them makes but no strong reactions or expectations of them. The smaller active fandom though is incredibly entitled and expects perfection, access to their personal lives, etc.

The amount of likes on Kit's coming out tweet is insane - 674K at the moment. Wouldn't be surprised if it reaches a million at some point.

He just needs to come off Twitter entirely again - even though he's now out, the queerbaiting/he's just pretending to be bi comments won't fully stop. He's clearly sensitive and it's gonna take him apart piece by piece if he sticks around. He tweeted from the app so he'd obviously redownloaded it or never deleted it.

Bang on R368. It’s a combination of all those things.

It’s not as simple as ‘just teens’ - I’m an older fan of YR, deffo not a teenager but from what I’ve seen, the teenage YR fans are overwhelmingly positive. Not perfect and it’s probably slightly less popular but it attracts the same demographic of fans.

I think the type of story HS is might have something to do with it too. It attracts a lot of teens who want things pure, sweet and nice. Alice has sanitized the story as well because fans get so upset about things and the idea of Nick and Charlie actually fucking is something some of them hate.

Also in any other show a character like Ben being the antagonist would be laughable.

This also. The idea Ben is the sick, evil, twisted abuser.. don’t let these teens watch normal TV 😂 Game of Thrones would give them a heart attack. He’s a teenage bully, he tries to kiss they boy he was secretly seeing but pushes it too far. Its very mild in the grand scheme of life.

Baby Queen gig tonight, is it not? I wonder if they'll go... might be good to let their hair down.

R376 would be genuinely shocked to see them (at least Joe and kit) there, not least because they’re filming

R377 Do we know they're filming? They worked all weekend, it seems, so may have today and yesterday off.

Seems like most of them were up very early this morning. Probably filming long hours lately. And I'm guessing most of them aren't up to going tonight and meeting fans. I don't expect any of them to go, Kit especially.

R378 oh good point, hadn’t thought of that. Honestly doubt either wants to be around fans right now. Maybe Tobie, kizzy, etc will go but I’d be absolutely shocked to see Joe and kit and almost as shocked to see bash.

Kit didn’t go to the Baby Queen show that happened shortly after the release of the show (where she brought the cast on stage), doubt he’ll go now. He was already a homebody before all of this happened.

Didn't realize, but Alice has an event in Manchester tomorrow. Some of the chronically online type tend to go to those things.

R382 Hopefully she'll use that platform to bring up some of these issues.

Probably use it to whine about leaks again

R383 I think they’ll likely address the kit situation but stay silent re Joe and bash

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The articles are spreading - BBC News, Daily Mail, and a good article from the Independent. I hope this very obvious public support helps Kit get through.

Not downplaying Kit’s situation - having support doesn’t mean the pain of feeling forced out especially on such a public stage isn’t very real. But I honestly do not think on a “career” level this will hurt him. He’s still straight passing, is pretty clearly dating his female costar right now, has gotten insane levels of public support from journalists and publications, celebrities, and even politicians and is sort of the face of the forced outing movement right now. This will not impact his popularity - which again doesn’t cut against how much this probably sucks but is some level of relief.

I am sure being on set and in a cast with such supportive costars, most or basically all of whom are also queer, is good for him rn, and I hope he and Joe especially can continue to lean on one another and help each other navigate the industry.

Kit knew full well he’d get loads of support, he’s not daft. It all bodes nicely for him to be honest - gets his name out there, he gets the queer community on board, gets the straight community on board cos oh, he is still dating woman. Being bi is far easier to navigate than being gay as far as his career goes. Access to gay & straight roles cos both are believable.

Kit will be fine. He’s just boosted his profile massively. Sad he’s been forced out obvs but ultimately, it’ll be fine for him.

He's fine. He's a hot commodity right now. He was before, but he's actually boosted his profile to the general public more now.

And I know the situation with Kit is bad and he shouldn't be outed like that, but also it does bother me Joe and Bash kind of get hung out to dry with little support. You can say it's not a big deal and it's a minority of people doing it, but it was obviously bothering them for Joe to do what he did and the whole inability of fans to separate Bash from Ben really needs to be called out. Nobody needs a Guardian article about it, but within the fandom it should have been done ages ago.

R390 I honestly think Alice and Patrick needed to have gotten on it more than the rest of the cast. It strikes me that the two of them (Joe and Bash) seem to deal with things in a very insular, “just the two of us” way. The video of the others goofing off on set while Joe stood off to the side the day the bash / Joe drama went down is a prime example; obviously I believe they’re still very close with the rest of the cast but I get the vibe that they really see the majority of one another’s pain or hurt (which makes sense given they’re a real couple). Kit seems to communicate exactly what he wants in terms of support: he gets upset about something, tweets about it, and the cast can rally around him. Most of the signs we get that Joe and bash are upset are more subtle - Joe liking tweets saying bash was bullied shows us bash was likely pretty upset - but they’re not so blatant about it.

That said it should not be on a 19 and 20 year old (17 and 19 while filming) go affirmatively reach out for support or tweet about being upset for Alice etc to support them. The same goes for kit actually; while her tweet and support was nice, it was long overdue. She saw the hashtag and could have shut it down; she has seen the Joe hatred and the Ben/bash conflation and shut those down too.

I love Joe and Bash, they are definitely my favourite castmates so I am always going to be biased and think they deserve better, but I think Alice and the studio need to drive that. I think / hope if anything around this scale arises in the future for either Joe or bash, kit and the rest of the cast will also be active in defending them.

Kit liked this post on Instagram, gathering up some of the support he’s received from the rest of the cast and some other celebrities. Glad he’s doing ok.

R392 Oh, that’s comforting - I wondered whether he’d even seen the Twitter support cos he hasn’t liked anything. Good old Attitude for having his back.

R393 I think he’s honestly fine; frustrated at having to pin a label perhaps but as others noted he’s been hinting pretty clearly in interviews for s while about “our community” etc. i do think (which sucks for joe) he and Yaz will get all the queer media awards and praise because of their stories, so in that sense this has opened a door for him

Really fucking cool.

I completely forgot he did this.

Some Marvel fans are suggesting Bash for Tommy (Billy's brother). Not sure how I feel about that other than to laugh. Truly just bros being bros

I was going to say that Joe is likely to be the only Heartstopper actor to cross over to Marvel right now but Grace Randolph said that Kit’s also been talking to Marvel so…weirder things have happened!

R402 who is grace Randolph and is her news likely to be accurate? Would like this to just be Joe’s thing honestly but I get the idea behind the casting, they look like the characters and obviously have good onscreen chemistry

It would be pretty wild if Joe and Kit did end up playing Wiccan and Hulkling. Would certainly get many viewers in!

r403 She’s a prolific scooper in the nerd properties world. She’s hit or miss on other properties, but she has good MCU sources and that stuff tends to be on the mark.

Link r402? I’ve seen her cite them as possibilities for a while but not actual talks with marvel for Kit.

Love that they’re together today.

r406 The bit about Kit is around the 5:10 mark.

R407 that’s really nice. Might’ve been a good setup of the day for kit too: everyone rallying behind him and cheering him up in the morning and then getting the news cycle interrupted by both the Emmy news and Joe’s casting. I wonder who knew about Joe’s casting in advance? Obviously bash, maybe kit and Alice?

I wouldn’t be surprised if he told Bash, Kit, Will, Tobie, and Kizzy. Bash makes sense for obvious reasons and if Kit and Joe were both in talks with Marvel it would make sense for them to use each other as sounding boards.

R410 sorry, why kizzy? I know he’s close to Tobie and Will and likely found out the casting while in the play with will so I understand them

I'm guessing he told his friends and boyfriend for no other reason than that's what a person does.

Do we reckon they'll attend the Emmys? I hope Joe can get away from filming - it's on a Sunday at least, which is good.

Marvel will adjust his shooting schedule around the awards if he wants to go. I would be really surprised if they don’t all go.

I hope it's a fairly big event - it'd be a great boost for them to attend an awards event where they actually win something, haha.

It’s a way smaller field than the main Emmys and they’re the most nominated show; I think they’ll all go.

Well then, let me check flights to LA in December. My ass is never getting to the UK at these prices so may as well take advantage when I can.

Yaz has tweeted about the Emmys and liked tweets about Emmys and Joe/Marvel, but absolutely nothing from her about Kit’s coming out.

r418 it did seem like by this morning Kit wanted it to be done. Don't want to read too much into it but the latest reactor was Joe who still posted in the morning; they've all kept it off Instagram and beyond a few additional likes from Alice, Tobie, and Bash, the cast hasn't spoken on it more. Cori also didn't tweet or like anything about it. I'm not saying Kit regrets it but the news is out and I can see him wanting to leave it at that; no need for anyone who hadn't already shown support to weigh in. Even his best mate Will (who tbf only has IG) didn't post anything about it.

Thanks r408

r417 Keep an eye out for ceremony information, they’ll probably need seat fillers. And make sure you have a suit.

Yaz and Cori acting like nothing happened is a little bit strange to me but I assume they’re supportive in person and that’s what matters. Though Yaz especially I would think would spare a like, Kit’s always supportive of her and he took time out while shooting his movie to present an award to her.

R421 to be fair no one tweeted or aside from Tobie even liked anything in support of Joe and Bash this past weekend either. Not shitting on the cast; I'm sure they have discussions of "can I / should I say something; how can I support you" and by noon today Kit didn't want to engage with it more. He posted about Joe and the Emmys today and has kept the coming out off Instagram (obviously I'm sure he knows people know but isn't releasing a statement or anything there too); he might have tweeted it and felt some release from that and want to move on.

Yeah I don’t think it’s malicious, just…unusual I guess? Since some commented and some didn’t the response is a little all overall the place.

Looks like Kizzy and Cori were the only ones to pop in at the Baby Queen show.

Looks like scenes including Nick and Julio (Charlie’s dad) may be coming up?

This is interesting. Maybe only to me? But the Emmy winners are already locked. The nominees are the top 5 vote-getters and whoever got the most votes won already.

Does Marvel have a bootcamp for new actors joining the MCU? Wondering if they'll ask Joe to bulk up a bit.

It will be interesting seeing what they do in HS S3 if Joe does bulk up. His ED should be at its worst that season, which will likely be filmed as soon as he finishes filming this Marvel show. Maybe they’ll just put him in very oversized clothes to make him look smaller. They definitely put Kit in undersized clothes in s1 to make him look bigger.

R428 Wiccan (if that’s who he’s playing) is meant to be incredibly thin anyway. He’s filming right after HS ends so they won’t have time to bulk him up at all; I think he’ll likely look “right” for S3

Who do we think he's playing? Wiccan or Agatha's son - Nicholas Scratch? I'm hoping it's Billy Kaplan/Wiccan.

Wiccan. Nobody cares about Nick

When people come across hate/trolls on Twitter, do you generally report them? I’ve started to - I don’t bother replying to the totally ridiculous ones cos you’re never gonna be able to reason with them. Anyway, in less than 24 hours their account has been locked. It’s the little wins…

R432 I just block anyone who annoys me even slightly. After the Joe bash likes incident last weekend that was a long list. They’re mostly just annoying hyper woke teens though, not trolls

One of Kit’s former schoolmates from Whitgift posted this.

R434 I just keep getting ‘bad gateway’ when trying to click on it? What’s the name of the person’s account?

Working now - sweet of the guy to say that, but sad about the homophobia in the school. I wonder if Kit was out during school? And if he experienced bullying himself?

With a school environment like that I wouldn’t be surprised if working on Heartstopper and being surrounded by supportive queer people is what helped him come to terms with his sexuality. Considering how private he is, he was probably only out to his friends.

Wow she looks incredible

A British Vogue cover? That’s insane, good for her.

She's one of 4 covers. Still impressive to land that.

Wild, amazing for her. Looks like Netflix pushed hard - each of the 4 covers is a different leading lady from a Netflix UK show (Heartstopper, Bridgerton, Anatomy of a Scandal, The Crown). The past few days have been insane for this cast.

It has been. Also makes me question if they'll really want to come back for a possible S4, if Netflix even agrees with it, since they are branching out and getting more and more famous. I expect Kit to land something huge soon enough as well.

Has Connor publicly commented?

R443 Jessup? He’s been functionally fully offline, hasn’t been active on Twitter or IG in days.

R434 which friend?

r445 I think the Story’s expired now, but it was this guy.

It was also posted to Twitter.

This is nice, and very true.

I’ve been reading all of the thinkpieces that have come of this (and it’s incredible how much coverage this has gotten, it was even on the news in my home country all the way in South America), and my favorites were the Buzzfeed News and British Vogue ones.

I really hope he does some sort of thoughtful, non-sensationalised interview about this, if he feels able. I'd love to hear him talk about it more in-depth beyond the one upset/angry tweet, because he expresses himself very well and it's such an important wider topic that really needs to be discussed. But I'm not sure if he will because it's likely been quite traumatic for him.

I think he’ll wind up addressing it in that way, but maybe it’ll be closer to the release of the show before the new round of press starts. Might be too fresh right now?

I genuinely don’t know that he’s as traumatized as everyone thinks. I am not downplaying that it sucked for him andHe sounded frustrated and hurt in his tweet, but it seems like something he’d been soft approaching for a while (using “we” in interviews etc) and just decided to do after a shitty hashtag.

I said this in an earlier thread but to be honest I hate every queer publication and journalist with a blue tick using this to write long rants about how he was wronged. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a shitty situation, but I don’t know how bringing more publicity and waxing rhapsodic on a painful situation for him so they can get more clout is helpful. He hasn’t engaged with any of the journalists or articles written; the most he’s liked is one attitude post on IG gathering the supportive tweets from castmates. This is more self aggrandizing for them than empathizing with Kit. If they want to support, comment some hearts and like his tweet, don’t turn it into a publicity moment for yourself.

He might do an interview longer term (in a few months) about it but given he seemed to delete Twitter after it and was very active on IG stories about fully unrelated things, I think he seems to want to close the door on it for now at least.

r452 I don’t think he’s traumatized as much as he is hurt. Which is natural. And he’s engaged with some of the thinkpieces via Instagram likes, he liked the one from British Vogue for example.

R452 He only used 'we' in one interview very recently, and that may have been inadvertent - before that, I'd been playing close attention (lol) but he'd been impressively vague with the 'in the community/queer' talk and avoided 'they' or 'we'. He had been hinting in other ways though - I reckon he hoped that liking the tweet about beating the straight allegations would have been an obvious enough hint without needing to officially come out. And his fat crush on Hugh Grant comment was, to me, pretty blatant - and yet many people dismissed that as a 'straight crush'.

People were determined to believe he was straight, despite evidence to the contrary - including on this site. If they had just read the signs, he might not have had to tweet that at all.

I can think of at least 2 times he used we, once recently and once in a print interview when they did season one press. But there were a ton of little things that added up. His use of “we,” his Twitter like of the straight allegations tweet, his tweet about people who were accusing him of queerbaiting thinking they knew his sexuality better than he did, the Hugh Grant comment, him signing a HS book with the “I’m definitely bisexual” quote when asked to sign with his favorite quote, the “love is love” bracelet he hasn’t taken off in months.

Quite the week.

I felt pretty strongly after his teen vogue interview.

r457 Yeah, and that interview specifically had that bit about Kit being more authentically himself as well as a bit where he used “they” to refer to cishetero viewers:

[quote]Kit is cognizant of the near-saturation of darker queer narratives in media. “If you look at a cis heterosexual viewer, so much of the queer representation that [bold]they[/bold] see is very negative,” he says. “It’s seeing it in a very dark, gritty way. And I think that it will be really powerful, I hope, not only for the LGBTQIA+ community to see [Heartstopper] but also for straight people to see it.

R453 I’d missed that like, thanks. Tbh still stand by most of my points. We didn’t need 400 thinkpieces immediately released on it by journalists who had never interacted with him. That writer I think knows both him and Joe so there’s a personal connection there I understand, but I think that a lot of the articles do come off as self promotion rather than support for Kit. Also they’re repetitive. I agree he’s hurt, and said clearly I wasn’t downplaying that, but I think the tweet might have been like (using a crude comparison) lancing a boil; it sucked but there’s some relief after and he’s ready to move on. I don’t know him at all obviously so could be very wrong in my read but that’s my take on it.

I hope he was already out to all his family and friends so this public coming out isn’t more complicated than it already is.

I agree with the ones saying it sounds like self promotion for a lot of the people talking about Kit’s situation. I mostly blame Alice and Netflix for not saying something sooner. I think everyone could see the car crash coming and they just waited. As though Kit being forced out of the closet would bring more attention to the show and they could show empathy and compassion afterward.

I’ll admit I even felt a little bit of guilt because I assumed he was straight. At least at first. I obviously never bullied anyone online or have ever tried to interact with a celebrity online. But his tweet made me sad and I felt a little guilty that I just assumed he was straight or straight adjacent.

R460 It's good of you to admit it, anyway. Many people wouldn't - they'd just continue their mindless trolling.

And I totally agree about Alice/Netflix/people in authority not speaking up sooner - they obviously knew he was having a hard time with it, and he's bloody eighteen. Tweeting something supportive after he's already dramatically outed himself does very little.

R460 I would bet his family knew already. Based off his sisters posts I get the feeling they are all actually very close. (she flies under the radar well, but i incidentally followed her years ago before I even knew about Kit due to a shared interest. She doesn’t post about him specifically so it didn’t seem worth mentioning before.) This was her post yesterday. Though she didn’t mention Kit you could put 2 and 2 together if you knew.

“FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT YOU HAVE ZERO CONTROL OVER HOW OTHER PEOPLE PERCEIVE YOU SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST BE THE PERSON YOU WANT TO BE ANYWAY”

R461 Seems like a pattern. Alice, Patrick, Netflix, etc. have all failed some of these kids in different ways

9k away from hitting 1 million likes. Insane.

You have to laugh.

R465 Hope they are talking about the cast here and not the fans.

The cast. I'm sure Tobie is not including fans in the family at the moment. They didn't do anything but harass and act like fools.

Wondering if they will be announcing the guy who will be playing Joe's love interest as well as they did do a casting call for Hulkling.

R468 I know some people really want this to be Joe’s thing. And I get that. But a part of me still thinks it be really cool if it was Kit. Not because I ship them, I very much love Joe and Bash as a couple. I just think the two have great chemistry and it would be cool to see them work together again.

This casting is clearly Joe’s thing and huge for his career, but Kit’s going to keep being part of that conversation because of what Grace Randolph said and because people always pushed them as a pair for Wiccan and Hulkling. That conversation will stop if either it turns out that Joe isn’t playing Wiccan or Hulkling is cast. For the record, I think they’re both perfect for those parts and would love to see them play them. It feels like we’ve got 50 movies with Barrymore/Sandler and DiCaprio/Winslet, one more project with Joe and Kit won’t kill anyone.

r466 Yeah, it’s the cast. It’s amusing that she’s the first to pop up for their accomplishments but is more reluctant to back them up when it’s the negative stuff.

R469 I agree they have great chemistry and would love to see them in another project in the future, even as Wiccan and hulkling, but I hope if that’s the case it’s not in S1 or right away. I really like kit but he’s always had much more popularity than Joe and I would like Joe to be able to get the limelight in his own right for at least a bit before having to share it again. Also proving he can act independent of kit and not just “lean on him”, which is what a fair few fans say he does, would be helpful.

I like Kit and want him to do well, but really want this show to Joe's thing. I also want to see Joe work with other actors and have different chemistry with other love interests. This early in their career I think it would be good to kind of expand their horizons. Kit's got a movie coming up with Maia to show a different side of himself with someone else. I think Joe really deserves the same.

Also, can't help but think it would be a little weird as well to have Joe and Kit playing two different couples in different shows that are basically airing at the same time. It would be different if this show was being done after HS ended.

R472 Totally agree. We all know what it would turn into it.

The performative side of the Heartstopper fandom that had played a part in bullying Joe and Bash is now writting essays about how 'wrong' it would be if Joe is Wiccan. But they are also loudly campaigning for Kit as Hulkling. Shows what their priorities are. This is why I'm glad that Joe will get to free himself from such fans once his Marvel show drops and he gets a new subset of fans.

R474 I don’t understand. Why would it be wrong for him to be Wiccan?

R475 Because according to them, he's not Jewish and this will be taking away Jewish representation.

R476 oh… that’s stupid.

The Jewish thing doesn't make sense as the casting call for the character Joe is playing mentioned nothing of that sort. And why blame Joe? They need to go take it up with the casting director.

Would love it if the performative Heartstopper fans stuck to only Heartstopper with their performative BS.

The Marvel fans are actually being worse than the Heartstopper fans on this, they’re outright calling him ugly and saying he can’t act.

They are obviously still pissed at Joe. That whole group is doing tweets starting with .. "I'm not Jewish but...." Shit is semi-homophobic too since they suggest being gay is very unimportant to Billy's character and his defining characteristic is being Jewish, which is bullshit. Then when people do fancasting and other people s ask if they are gay, they say you can't ask because it'll turn into another Kit situation. You can ask someone their sexuality. If they don't want to say, don't press it but it's not illegal to ask.

Also not sure why don't ever learn not to use friends/boyfriends to shit on people they care about. Do they think Kit's gonna enjoy you using his struggles to shit on Joe? They are gonna catch a block one day.

R479 I read three different reddit subs yesterday and all are very supportive.

Marvel fans are best to be ignored. There's not one actor that they haven't bullied till now. And all of them are just living their mean girl fantasies and think they are doing something when they be saying all this.

They keep trying to make this mediocre nepo baby happen (he’s Camryn Manheim’s son). I look forward to having Joe as Wiccan confirmed and laughing as they cry about it.

r480 Not the fans on the subreddits, the Twitter fans.

The casting director that is Sarah Finn is like THE casting director for Marvel. She is known for her perfect castings. So I'm sure Joe must've aced it and that's why he landed the lead role. Bunch of unwashed losers from the HS fandom can keep whining about it but it isn't going to change the fact that Joe's a part of the MCU now and is the main lead.

R483 Yeah, forgot to mention that. It's only the twitter fans who have a problem with it. But they can suck it. Joe is the lead and will most probably be Wiccan. Them whining about it and bring nasty towards him isn't going to change it.

r479 is right, these are some of the tweets under one Marvel fan site's Joe tweet:

[quote]He is ugly 😭

[quote]Why does he look like that

[quote]Omg this is one of the most homophobic castings I’ve ever seen

[quote]Man I hope they fix his eyebrows

[quote]No thank you not only is he not Jewish but his acting in cringe

[quote]How do I dislike a tweet?

[quote]Ew

[quote]DIOS PORFAVOR NO, WICCAN SE MERECE QUE LO INTERPRETÉ UN MEJOR MARICO QUE ESE HOMBRE

[quote]bro looks like a shape

R482 Oh I love Camryn Manheim though. Didn't know she was his mother. Not sure the star of Zombies 1, 2 and 3 and a Dancing with the Stars contestant is going to make the leap to the MCU. Actually I think he's also too old.. He'll be 22 early next year.

R484 I'd love to see his audition. Honestly curious who else went for the role as well. And being Jewish was never a requirement, so they can really shut up about it.

Netflix updated their twitter bio

R488 I feel this whole thing is a bit dramatic at this point

The Guardian got in on the Kit thinkpiece action. Nothing new in the text but this picture of him is new. Guessing it was taken for the Hottest TV Stars of 2022 article they did last December.

R488 that’s.. interesting. Would’ve been more effective and better to use their PR And funds to craft a statement a few months back when he, Joe, and bash were all first catching shit telling fans to leave them alone, but this weirdo PR move is also fine I guess

It’s performative and isn’t actually of any help to Kit.

I see the Kit threads been deleted again.

Possibility of the Hulkling casting announcement dropping soon is high. Has Grace Randolph mentioned anything new about Kit?

I don’t think Kit will be announced as Hulkling, but I kind of hope he is - and it’ll send the Heartstopper fans into an absolute frenzy. Which will be quite fun to watch.

[quote]it’ll send the Heartstopper fans into an absolute frenzy. Which will be quite fun to watch.

You'll be able to tell the difference?

R496 This will be an excitable frenzy, not a demented one.

R497 it’ll still be demented. Loads of rambling about how Kit totally deserves this and Joe doesn’t because he dared play a Jewish person / kit being an unproblematic outed queer king while Joe is a sex assault condoner basically doing blackface. Disclaimer: I actually like kit a lot, just very used to the fans propping him up and shitting on Joe

R498 I mean, based on Kit's forced outing, I think both of them get a pretty rough time of it. But yeah, there'll always be a negative side to everything - but the excitement of Kit and Joe playing Hulkling and Wiccan would be intense and mostly positive, I'd say.

R499 to be clear they both get shit, absolutely, but I would really hesitate to say the people calling kit a queerbaiter were fans. There were basically just a few trolls spam commenting over and over. Not denying it clearly hurt his feelings and I genuinely understand why it wore him down but it wasn’t a widespread fandom thing. Joe getting called out for the Twitter like last weekend / how “problematic” Wiccan would be is INCREDIBLY widespread.

Joe is getting a lot of hate right now. More than the Jewish thing, it's mostly people being downright nasty towards him by commenting on his looks.

Kit being cast would completely overshadow Joe sadly. I really hope it doesn't happen.

R502 Same. I like them both but I need this to be Joe's thing. No one needs a repeat of the Heartstopper fandom. That is completely sidelining Joe and only focusing on Kit.

And Elizabeth Olson is back too. Really cool opportunity for Joe as this is such a female heavy cast - he gets to learn from and work with them without suffering direct comparison. Actually still insane he landed this, so thrilled for hin

R504 lmao never mind, this is a fake/parody page apparently.

Variety also shared it, which was who broke Joe’s role news

Audrey Plaza news is actually true, the Elizabeth Olsen new isn't yet. Though rumors the storyline is Wiccan and Agatha searching for Wanda with Audrey playing the villain character.

Joe as Wiccan is almost confirmed. The ones still in denial about it cause they dislike him for whatever reasons are in for a disappointment.

R508 the online HS mob will cancel him for playing someone Jewish and act like it’s functionally blackface, but this will be great for his career so I think he’ll survive (though I’m sure seeing the hate is draining)

Can't get over HS fans shitting on Joe but then wanting Kit to play opposite him. Basically saying Kit is perfect for the role, but Joe should have never have even auditioned.

I know some are still pissy at Joe for blocking the crazy one, but fuck them all. I feel they would have done it anyway.

r508 I think Joe is likely Wiccan but Dis Insider gets things wrong pretty often, they claimed that Mark Ruffalo was going to be in Moon Knight, etc.

Why are you guys obsessing with the handful of HS fans that are complaining about Joe not being Jewish? They're a minority of a minority and not worth paying attention to.

R512 to be fair, the people harassing kit about his sexuality were also a tiny tiny minority of the fans and that clearly got to him. I agree they’re broadly inconsequential to his career but I feel bad for them all being teenagers who Netflix and PR has utterly failed to help transition to fame and hate

R512 HS fans are only boosting it from other people. None of them have any fucking clue about Marvel crap. They are just helping people hate on Joe. And what R513 said

It doesn't matter in the slightest as far as his casting goes. It's even a very small portion of MCU fans who care in the first place.

Cute that Edvin from YR liked this. Everyone’s a Joe fan.

Edvin's likes are so funny, half of the time you'll see tweets about Joe and Kit from stans mixed in there.

I love Edvin ❤️ I sometimes think the HS kids could learn a lot from his maturity as an 18/19 year old. I don’t mean that in a derogatory way either, just he’s been doing this since he was a kid & just seems to handle the pressure & scrutiny a lot better. There’s zero drama around him. He refuses to talk about his sexuality, just shuts it down. He’s never gone on twitter rants nor let the trolls publicly get to him. He’s just like, this is my public & private life boundary. Respect it or fuck off. Maybe he’s had better media training thanks to his child acting career.

Kit’s tweet has hit over a million likes - wild.

Also, Alice has given an update on Tumblr about the comic being on hiatus, and said she’s not very well physically or mentally at the moment due to being overworked and not taking enough rests. Sigh. She did say that she’s in love with how season 2 is shaping up though, so that’s good.

I was just coming to post the update, here’s the whole thing.

Alice needs to learn time management and reading the room. I’m sure she is stressed and burned out but in a week where the two leads of her show and a side character were cyber bullied (leading to one deactivating and one coming out) and she only defended one of the 3, making this about herself at this moment instead of waiting a week or two shows her character. Immature twat

If one thing Alice is going to do, they are going to mention how stressed they are

So apperantly this person on tiktok is saying that an ex was going to expose Kit. Idk how true this is

R522 they got that from CDAN who is notoriously unreliable. Don’t think it’s an ex - I just think He got sick of being called a queerbaiter and came out

Given all the future opportunities the cast has, I think a season 4 of HS is extremely unlikely. Joe’s probably already told Alice to write S3 to be the final season. So the comics they aren’t currently writing are for events that will happen after the show ends. Releasing those comics after s3 comes out will excite fans who want more and are sad the show is over. But Alice can’t say that, so they complain about being tired instead.

People who try to come up with some wild reason why Kit got mad at tweeted obviously have never paid attention to him at all.

With Kit coming out, are we now thinking that his ‘I’m not big on labels and don’t feel the need to label myself publicly’ thing was actually a slight cover for the fact that he just wasn’t ready to come out? He couldn’t say ‘I’m not ready to come out’ because that’s effectively coming out (as queer, at least). And he obviously has a label - bi.

R526. In a different interview from around the same time, he said “I’m very confident in my sexuality.” I’ve always taken his not wanting to label himself as a desire for privacy, not a lack of self awareness. He’s known he was bi this whole time, but didn’t want to share that information publicly. The fangirls who all decided “unlabeled” was a label and made Kit it’s champion were just as much of a problem as the people accusing him of queerbating.

About Joe's role, why is everyone so sure that Joe will be playing Wiccan? Won't him playing Nicholas Scratch make more sense? And if he was actually playing Wiccan, wouldn't they have had casted his twin brother as well? There was no casting call as well for the twin brother.

In news that will surprise no one, Rhys (crew member) was back on Twitter two days after dramatically announcing he was leaving.

R528 there have been rumours way predating his casting that the storyline is a loose adaptation of Children’s Crusade where Agatha and teenage Wiccan go try to find Wanda. I don’t believe that Tommy really had a role in that storyline as the two were separated. Nicholas scratch has never been shown as a teenager; obviously they could age him down but given they seem to be actively developing the young avengers lineup Wiccan seems to make the most sense

R530 That makes sense. Saw some on twitter who are very anti Joe as Wiccan bring up this point about Tommy. That's what made me think as well. They are like very confident that he IS Nicholas Scratch and not Wiccan cause of this.

R529

Im shocked honestly that he waited a full 2 days

They just announced 2 new trans characters and Nick’s dad officially.

R533 I feel like I’ve heard of that girl before; maybe just sounds familiar. How many different storylines are there going to be in s2?

R533 she has a pretty large social media presence and has been open about her transition.

Meant to r534

Bel Priestley is a semi-famous influencer

Still really curious how they fit all this in 8 30 minute episodes. Though these new characters could have 2 minutes of screen time

R537

Yeah each new character probably wont get that much screen time. There is only so much

The dad character was spotted filming with Kit and Joe when they were in Paris. Looks like we’ll get Nick introducing Charlie and coming out to his dad sooner than it happens in the books.

I agree with R537 that these are probably very minor characters. One scene with the dad in Paris. And probably one scene where Elle joins the trans community and makes some new friends.

Agreed, if they were larger characters they likely would have been announced around the same time as Sahar and the rest.

Two trans characters, including one with an NG tube - truly ticking all the woke boxes 😂 In all seriousness though, it is exciting. I do hope that the episodes are a little longer this season (even 45 mins or something) to allow for the storylines without diminishing the Nick/Charlie screen time, but sadly I doubt it.

R541 I didn't want to say it, but.. Alice pls. This show is really tumblr the series sometimes.

They crammed two books into s1. If s2 is only going to cover book 3, they need to expand some of the side characters. The comics are spars and very fast paced. Adding Nick’s dad this season actually increases the Nick/Charlie storyline.

Guessing, but I think they’re going to have Elle get more into art outside of school and she’ll make trans friends at art class or at a gallery or something. She was dressed fancier than the rest of the cast when they were shooting at the college so I think she has some sort of art show they go to support her at.

Also, glad Olivia is back.

The producer liked and then unliked this tweet; it made sense anyway given the comic storyline but looks like Joe and Olivia will be doing scenes together.

Joe shooting with Olivia and possibly Kit with Charlie’s dad are the things I like to hear about. As long as their stuff is still prioritized and getting expanded as well…

R546 Yessss, Joe must've been over the moon. Hope the three of them have some meaty scenes together. Also I love how people spot likes like that that reveal information.

Funny, Joe at least (and probably kit) knew about the Agatha casting when this happened. Must be so surreal.

That thread is all about Kit being cast.

not sure why Kit fans can't let Joe have one thing without him.

R550 oh yeah, I’m ignoring the content of the thread in posting that. Just the video of a fan asking them about marvel

[quote]not sure why Kit fans can't let Joe have one thing without him.

Have you been living under a rock? People have been wanting them as Wiccan and Hulkling from when Heartstopper came out. Alice drew Nick and Charlie as those characters years ago. Even people who are casual fans at most want both Joe and Kit, just look at the Marvel subreddits or comic book people like Grace Randolph. Of course one of them being cast was going to renew the fervor about the other one. If it had been any other role that Joe booked, people wouldn't be pushing for Kit.

r549 If not by then, part of me thinks Kit already knew when he posted Joe’s birthday story given how he reacted when the news came out.

R552 Most fans just want Kit. I'm sure they can take Joe or leave him. That person for example had zero tweets about Joe being cast, but only reposted Kit's IG story to make it about Kit being Joe's #1 fan and then the theories that Kit's actually going to be cast. At least pretend to care about Joe a little bit. Not that difficult.

It's not "most people," you're simply fixating on the same small, unhinged group of Heartstopper fans on Twitter that this place is obsessed with and assuming that's what everyone else is like.

It's both true they are a small part of the fandom, and also true fans in general care a lot more about Kit (4.7m vs 3.4m IG followers) than Joe.

One of the thinkpieces has a couple of new (to us) quotes from Kit and Joe, outtakes from the Teen Vogue interview they did for the first season:

[quote]Back in April, before the launch of Heartstopper, I spoke with Kit Connor and Joe Locke about the amazing beauty of queerness, but we also had a conversation surrounding queer people playing queer roles. I noted that in recent years the discourse has veered towards the notion that some actors playing queer characters might simply not be out.

[quote]“One of the things that Alice [Oseman, who created the Heartstopper webcomic] touches on constantly is the idea of not putting pressure on people, and I feel like the nature of being in a show like this can lead to those kinds of questions being asked like that,” Kit said at the time. “Although it’s an extremely important question to be asked, I think it also can be a bit harmful for actors and for people involved because sometimes it’s okay to not really understand your sexuality as well. I think that’s a perfectly normal thing.”

[quote]Joe added, “Sexuality’s becoming so much more of a fluid thing, and that’s a great thing. I think that hopefully we can move to a place in society where it is more fluid and people aren’t assumed to be anything.”

[quote]…Sometimes labels are great, they help things make sense. For others, labels are stifling, and so definitive. “They can give you a certain level of confidence in who you are, and a certain level of understanding but at the same time they can also be extremely limiting. And I think that it’s an extremely important debate to be having, but at the same time, it’s not something to speculate about, if that makes sense,” Kit told me earlier this year. “Some people either might not be out yet, or just might not really know, might still be a bit confused and not ready to talk about that.” Ultimately, the only true qualifier of being queer is… being queer. Anything else is supplementary or stereotypical.

R557 Interesting, good spot. Quite sad to read really, knowing what follows...

Somehow those quotes make it even more heartbreaking.

I wonder if Kit and Joe are filming together today... they seem to be pretty much the only ones that haven't done a story about the new cast members or commented on their posts.

R560 they followed them literally back to back about an hour or two after everyone else so I’m guessing it was a Nick / Charlie heavy day (as per Twitter)

What’s with the feeding tube for the new character? And seriously, the idea this friendship group will have 3 trans, a gay, a bi, two lesbians, an asexual & a straight boy dating a trans character - it’s kinda laughable & swinging wildly into the realm of unrelatable to anyones teen experience!

R561 As per Twitter?

r562 The actor has some sort of illness that requires the NG tube and occasionally a wheelchair judging by his profile.

R560 I suspect Kit is going to avoid commenting on posts for a while since they usually end up becoming the main event of the post instead.

At this point, Alice needs to pray that season 2 doesn't tank cause of her extra wokeness agenda.

People still love Nick and Charlie and they will carry the show. And the fans love the woke agenda for the most part.

R563 as in some account on Twitter posted “Joe and kit just followed them!” About an hour after they said the rest of the cast did

The Rose d’Or also give out awards for Emerging Talent and Performance of the Year.

Yaz didn’t post a ‘welcome to the team!’ thing like most of the cast did, but she managed to post three different stories of herself. Sigh.

R570 not many of them shared the story but everyone including yaz either commented or liked the Netflix post or one of the new actors

R570 to be fair she’s on the cover of British Vogue, she deserves to flaunt it a bit

Yaz is relatable by not going overboard by pretending to exesssively care about every person who is gong to be in the show for 2 minutes, but still supports the casting and the show and goes out of her way to support those she's close with. Seems realistic to me, espeically since the actors pretty obviously have their own little groups they hang with within the cast and not everyone is super close to each other.

R573 it seems like the cast will still back each other on the really big things (Kit coming out, Joe’s Marvel casting, Yaz’s British Vogue cover) but other than that while they’re pleased for one another’s achievements and will like/comment they tend to really boost up their closest mates (or in one case boyfriend) primarily. Bash and Yaz seem to be good enough friends but he wouldn’t have gone quite so feral about the play or Marvel casting if it was her, for instance.

Then you have Tobie, who is lovely and seems like everyone’s cheerleader

Seems to be something going down in the Young Royals fandom where a clip was uploaded of Edvin and Omar doing a TikTok running trend or something, which they said they never wanted to be uploaded. Did anyone see it? All the fandom drama at the moment!

(Not Heartstopper I know, but nothing much else to talk about at the moment on here.)

R528 About this, came across a leak that says that only one of the twins will be making a comeback in the Agatha series. So, it's going to be Wiccan.

I'm not gonna copy their tweets in here, but the two main trolls who started the 'kitconnorgoawayfromheartstopper' hashtag haven't slowed down their hate since Kit came out. Can people please report them on Twitter so we can try and get their accounts locked? I know it won't stop them forever but it'll at least slow them down.

Here's one:

And the other. Hopefully the more reports that are made against them, the more likely their accounts will be locked.

While you’re at it, this account is super homophobic to Bash Joe and now Kit

I don't think I've seen Kit comment on anything on Instagram since coming out - maybe just a coincidence, but it'll be sad if it's because he's worried he'll get more abuse in the replies.

R579 Thanks, have reported that one too.

R580 he and Joe have both been way more cautious these past few days. He hasn’t commented that I’ve seen and Joe has turned off the ability to reply to his IG stories and to DM him on Twitter. Top search result for Kit on Twitter is queerbaiting (to be fair I think functionally all comments calling that out as fucked up) and top two for Joe are ugly in English and Spanish. The Joe hate is actually way more widespread rn, this tweet for instance has 4K likes (and of course HS fans don’t really give a shit). Career wise they’re both set up for great success. Kit has great US management and Joe has a Marvel contract. But I think they’re both being far far more cautious on social media and I don’t blame them.

Fuck Heartstopper fans honestly. All I've seen them do the past few days is make threads on how 'wrong' it is for Joe to play Wiccan while also campaigning for Kit to play Hulkling. Also not one of them has spoken up about the hate Joe has been receiving, that is people being nasty about his appearance. I always knew HS fans never liked him but this situation has made it so clear who they've always had a preference for.

R582 Oh, if Joe's done that, now I'm like 80% sure that he'll be playing Wiccan. Hope he deletes all his apps the day it gets confirmed that he will infact be playing Wiccan cause the bullies won't let him breathe.

Something positive. This tweet is doing good numbers.

R585 Edvin from young royals liked that too. Really sweet

R584 I'm hoping and praying that him and Kit just don't use or check Twitter at all. Kit seems better at staying off it than Joe (although I suspect that he logged back in to check the Joe/Bash drama and ended up coming across the queerbaiting abuse again), but the only possible way they're gonna survive this is by avoiding Twitter entirely. And maybe just mainly posting things to stories on Instagram so they won't see abusive comments (although it isn't quite as bad on there).

Joe has admitted that he's addicted to social media, and I get the impression that he can't help but keep reading and scrolling even though it hurts him.

R587 it’s interesting you think Kit is better at staying off of it; he seemed to “snap” a few more times than Joe. I wouldn’t be surprised if Joe was decent at ignoring his own hate but couldn’t really handle it towards bash; it’s telling that the one person he blocked loved him but loathed and shit talked bash. Clearly he’d known about or had an eye on her account for a while.

R588 I think Kit is better at staying physically off the app - Joe will delete the app and then return multiple times, whereas Kit seemed to actually stay away after leaving last month - but Kit seems more sensitive and will be affected by it more easily (or he's just more willing to post about his upset publicly to make a point). I wonder if he was also more affected by the abuse this time round because just a day or two before, Joe and Bash got a load of hate and he really cares about them. So his patience with the trolls was at an all-time low.

The frustrating thing is that, having subjected myself to the queerbaiting comments/hashtag on Twitter, it really was mostly 2-3 people just repeatedly spamming. I wonder if Kit was aware of this, and whether it would've made it 'easier' to take. Also, it's frustrating that such a tiny portion of the fans were guilty of this abuse and yet it's mostly being reported as 'the Heartstopper fandom are toxic' etc etc.

R589 The Heartstopper fandom is toxic tho. And they deserve all the hate that they are getting.

R589 the fanbase has historically been pretty gentle with Kit and incredibly brutal with Joe and Bash; literally everything they do “wrong” (which in Bash’s case is just existing and being more popular than some castmates of colour, and in Joe’s case not being head over heels for Kit) leads to them being fully “cancelled”. I see your point that they’re perhaps being painted with a brush that is not fair re the Kit situation but to be honest they absolutely deserve articles to be written on them and how entitled they feel to the cast broadly, because it’s absolutely terrifying. I think Joe has better self control re posting; not saying Kit was wrong to post his frustration but he does seem a bit more impulsive about it; he gets upset and posts immediately as opposed to internalizing a bit.

They deserve to be tagged as the most annoying fandom. Literally everyday they'll make up scenarios to be annoyed about.

Hmmm the difference being R575, is that Omar posted a polite message & the fans all immediately went oh shit, sorry & deleted it. End of drama, no-one is talking about it anymore. Omar & Edvin haven’t been on Twitter blocking fans who won’t delete it or liking catty tweets about the TV company. A simple, polite message, everyone moves on.

The HS fans would have likely imploded & been mortally offended on their behalf about them being ignored. They’d be threatening to cancel the streaming service, the TV host and anyone who dared slightly annoy their heroes.

About the Young Royals cast, just got to know that Omar and his boyfriend Nurbo broke up. And now the boyfriend is being bitter and petty about it.

R592 I'm not surprised, but somehow I am that this whole group took no life lessons from Joe blocking their ring leader and didn't reflect on their behavior at all and instead continued about their business making up drama and then complained nobody in the fandom ever learns or admits their mistake and then just moves on.

And it's always rich that people whine about people not liking the POC in the cast when they don't like them themselves and spend most time talking about the two white MC's (understandable). What they really mean is stop liking Bash if you read the rest of the tweet. You can like the white characters I like, but don't like other white characters.

R594 - ohhhhhh I wondered what people were on about on Twitter with Nurbo. I thought maybe Omar & Nurbo had split, I asked the question in the YR chat yesterday!

R596 There's a Young Royals chat on here? I tried to find it earlier but couldn't.

Yeh - here!

Jesus Alice is exhausting. Joe, Kit, and Bash have had absolutely brutal weeks on Twitter and she’s still making it about herself.

She's seriously annoying. Honestly can't wait for Joe, Bash and Kit to get away from this show. Isn't she supposed to be a pretty good friend of Joe and Bash's too? They've hung out privately quite often

Oh my god, someone shut her up. I appreciate racial issues exist but what life does she live where that is the ONLY relevant thing?