Ricky Gervais STILL jokes about THE TRANS! Part the second

Oh great. Another day, another anti-trans thread by the anti-troll in England. Isn’t it tea time? Go have a crumpet and suck some dick instead of hating on the LGBTQ+. You gays are sick, harming the most marginalized community. People are dying, Kim.

Netflix has blood on its hands. No one should have access to this dangerous content. Ricky’s dangerous rhetoric will get millions of people killed, whether through trans bashing or suicides. The FCC needs to look into this. How can a company be allowed to contribute to a holocaust and still be in business? Wake up, people. The time to boycott is now. Transwomen = women and transmen = men. And if you can’t get that through your thick fat skull then you should go kill your cis self. So sick of this bashing. Minorities bashing minorities. Make it make sense. I hate it here.

Human beings can't change sex. Everyone knows it.

His talk about "dinosaurs" was a nod to the UK feminists pushing back against trans nonsense. He sees what is going on.

There have been many people in the UK have the cops show up at their doors for the crime of criticizing trannies.

[quote]There have been many people in the UK have the cops show up at their doors for the crime of criticizing trannies.

GOOD! About time. The rain of terror has got to stop.

[QUOTE] People are dying

I'll tell you something (else) R1 - in countries were people really are facing a day to day struggle to live, because of lack of food, exploitation by the West (usually the USA) or atrocious sanitation conditions, no one has time to be self-indulgent about their fucking pronouns or gender self ID.

I don't think this controversy will last as long as the one involving Dave Chappelle.

Therefore, it ultimately it will be much more damaging to the trans cause. I was watching an interview where a standup comedian said he has already witnessed comedy club-level comics starting to try out trans-related jokes after being inspired by Gervais.

Dogs know. Cats know. Birds know. If you know, it's a hate crime.

The UK comedy community and the clubs went completely pro-trans and cancel culture some years ago. Numerous careers were pretty much destroyed by it unless the comedians capitulated, and some were asked to sign some no-offensive jokes contracts or else no work.

Glad to see the pendulum is swinging.

Frankie Boyle has made a career out of being extremely offensive, but even he's too afraid to make trans jokes. He's happy to make jokes about disabled children, though.

Women's sports and standup comedians. Bringing an end to the trans madness!

[quote]I'll tell you something (else) [R1] - in countries were people really are facing a day to day struggle to live, because of lack of food, exploitation by the West (usually the USA) or atrocious sanitation conditions, no one has time to be self-indulgent about their fucking pronouns or gender self ID.

How does any of that supersede trans awareness or basic human rights? There’s nothing more important than human kindness and it costs nothing.

R10, maybe TRAs should practice the "kindness" of which you speak.

[quote]You gays are sick, harming the most marginalized community. People are dying, Kim.

[quote]Netflix has blood on its hands. No one should have access to this dangerous content. Ricky’s dangerous rhetoric will get millions of people killed, whether through trans bashing or suicides.

First of all, who's Kim?

Second, you're being ridiculous and histrionic. But your sentiments are so overblown that I suspect you're putting us on.

Agree with R12. Plus, those histrionics will just end up in some comedian's next standup routine.

I’m sorry but we are kind to everyone. It’s just that sometimes we are so triggered by the rampant disrespect that we have to give it back some. We try to bite our tongue and hold it in but it is exhausting. When cishet TERFs come after us with pitchforks, we give if back good and defend ourselves. TERFs should just die already and not come after trans women of color.

Is 'rampant disrespect' when lesbians refuse to suck your girl-dick, r14?

Because as you well know, trans women maintain male levels of violence, and are in fact one of the safest groups in society. (Also more likely to commit violence than be victims of it).

So good news! You're safe from those scary TERFs!

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote]Because as you well know, trans women maintain male levels of violence, and are in fact one of the safest groups in society. (Also more likely to commit violence than be victims of it).

Uh, no hon. Trans women are the most vulnerable people on earth. They are 50 times likely to be murdered than a cis woman. Google it. When will it stop?

Lol r17

[QUOTE]We try to bite our tongue and hold it in but it is exhausting.

Exhausting you say? Well I haven't heard the trans use that word for at least 2 seconds.

To the histrionic queen from the last thread at r592 -

You can take everything I said out of context and pretend I said something else, but all it does is show you have no argument and are willfully misinterpreting it for your own ends.

[quote]Uttter bullshit. What the fuck is a "gender cult"? Do you know what "affirming care" is? Have you met or talked to a practitioner? Or reviewed their methods? Do you know a trans person? Or the parents of a trans child?

You should really try getting up to speed on the discussion before you parachute in to spray your opinions all over it. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about, don't know the argument, don't know what people have said in the thread that answered your questions in much detail, and then you have the nerve to accuse me of not knowing anything about what I am saying.

You didn't respond to anything I said, all you did was accuse me of lying and then dropped some dark hint about what my REAL motives were, which I'm sure makes sense to you, but not to anyone sane. You didn't present any counter arguments. You didn't disprove anything. All you did was show your own confusingly self-righteous ignorance.

I suggest you learn a bit about what you are defending and pull your head out of your ass before interrupting the adults in the room. Your bullying, gaslighting, and attempts at manipulation no longer work.

[quote] You didn't respond to anything I said, all you did was accuse me of lying and then dropped some dark hint about what my REAL motives were, which I'm sure makes sense to you, but not to anyone sane.

You are the English anti-trans troll. We KNOW what your motives are, dear.

Thread #2..& imagine 600 comments, & its still funny, to me.Damn I'm evil. I tried drinking all the Kool-Aide, & its still funny to me. I'm cursed, I'm doomed. I am personally responsible for the death of billlions of trans. Because I laughed!

And no, I'm not hanging my head in shame, I'm just laughing, again as I watch the clip. Sorry, I just love a good laugh. Didn't Stalin want to exile people to the Gilag for laughing?

This controversy is over. Gervais won. Time to move on.

^You mean we won't be arrested or dragged on line for laughing??

I have the idiotic trans activist troll blocked (the person who has made half the comments in this thread, starting with r1), he is a UK person who camps on these threads all day long and keeps testing different arguments and tactics on us to see what works. He has no life in the real world so seems to live for these threads as he always seems them out. If not for the fact that he thinks he's somehow clever and pulling one over on all of us, I would just overlook it.

*seeks

See, again, I thought that R1 was satire. Surely, I thought, no one can be that hysterical over a stand up special. Calling on the FCC, referencing a holocaust, etc...

Perhaps, in this humorless age we live in, satire is simply indiscernible. Maybe, the only reason that I know that The Onion is satire is because it's The Onion

You would think if there were truly a holocaust going on, (a truly offensive bit of hyperbole) and that many trans people were dying every day, we would be tripping over the bodies in the streets, since public services wouldn't be able to keep up with them.

I guess it must be a metaphorical holocaust, with the victims just dying on the inside.

Seriously people? How obvious does our resident Tranny Troll need to be? You still can't see it?

Ricky Gervais is such garbage regardless of his bigoted jokes. He’s just as bad as Ms Piers Morgan.

r28 If it is the same person I have seen whose posting frenzy ends at bedtime in the UK, he isn't pretending to be a trans activist troll, this is likely just another tactic from him to derail conversation in a thread. He switches stuff up and adopts a new persona every now and then, but it's always the same person. He will lie and say whatever, his goal is to drive people away from the thread because he posts incessantly or to derail it. He's tried attacking women and playing up the "women vs gays" angle, he's tried attacking feminists and playing up the "feminists vs gays" angle, he's tried nonsense, he's tried not responding to anyone directly and instead just posts again and again variations of the same stuff, etc. You can tell him because of the incessant posts, many in a row, the obsessiveness, and the UK bedtime.

r29 he's really not, but go off.

Ricky Gervais hires 10 bodyguards for gigs after Netflix trans comments cause uproar

A source said he couldn’t “take any chances” following a stage attack on US comic Dave Chapelle, 48, last month at the Hollywood Bowl after his own Netflix special last year was accused of being transphobic.

He was knocked to the floor on stage by a man armed with a replica gun fitted with a knife, but was uninjured.

I agree with ricky gervais, but his special wasn't that funny. His schtick is stupid and he comes off as tired, old guy who just complains

All these over 50, rich, white guys are boring.

These old farts constantly complaining about "cancel culture" are the 2020's version of "get off my lawn"

One can't argue that the trans supporters are the sane ones when they'll attack - physically as well as verbally - anyone who disagrees with them. Mental health problems are a major issue in the trans culture.

R33, 99% of the public disagrees with you.

[quote]These old farts constantly complaining about "cancel culture" are the 2020's version of "get off my lawn"

Ricky Gervais's standups have been about cancel culture. I'm surprised the trans lobby waited for this blip and you miss it sendup of the trans own words in this special to go after him. Did they miss Humanity where he spent one-third of the time on Caitlyn Jenner - and her killer driving habits?

Before that, In Science he took on fat people. It was funny. I find him funny but then I like irreverent comedy.

The trans won't attack Ricky psychically because, like most of them, he's a white man. They just hate women.

r2 humans can't change their sex which is why they're now called transgender and not transsexual. Sex and gender are two different things. You don't have to be a gender studies professor to know that. Sex=chromosomes and gender=your name, hairstyle and clothing. One is biology and one is a social construct (like Santa Claus or the days of the week).

R32 good, I hope his bodyguards are armed too!

R37 there will be some showboating nonsense by them, just wait. When you have masses of people on the internet saying your standup is literally killing them and Netflix is committing genocide - and these are already unstable, mentally ill people we are talking about - someone may decide to be the Savior.

R38, you can't just mechanically separate the 'social construct', whatever it is, from sex. If gender is this social construct about roles and stereotypes and cultural norms for the sexes, what you end up with if you claim sex can be completely separate is a cosplay using the most superficial and non-essential traits like dress, makeup, fake tits. There are enough biological women in this world who don't wear dresses or makeup and a flat chested.

Haven't heard any of the transwomen say, how cool that I can now earn less than as a man or skipped over for promotion etc.

I'd also say it is the social expectation (construct if you will) for women to be in a possession of a vagina. Not to swing a dick in the ladies' changing room or sneak one on your Grindr dates.

And vice versa for men. There's no social construct for 'man' which doesn't include the expectation of having a dick (I trust we don't need to specify the dick is expected to be biological and shooting sperm)

R38 unfortunately the modern trans movement no longer seems to think that sex exists, or they are trying to redefine it to have as much ambiguity as gender so they can claim it's irrelevant.

The logic is simple.

A male has a penis. A male is a man. Therefore, a man has a penis.

A female has a vagina. A female is a woman. Therefore, a woman has a vagina.

To debate otherwise is pure Orwell.

To counter that argument, r43, a trans activist or ally would say "but some men have vaginas!" and then they'd be "but intersex people exist" and then when you explain gametes to them they'd say "but sex is a spectrum!" and send you a link to a Scientific American article on sex written by a sociology orofrssor, and then if you still hadn't given in, they would call the entire conversation transphobic (assuming they didn't start from there).

R44 - hence the Orwellian nature of it all.

I think the most bizarre conversations I've had is when someone does the whole "trans women are women" bit on a religious level where they pretend there is literally no difference between a woman and a trans woman.

Or when someone says "women deserve a word of their own" they say "that's right, I agree!" but they mean "women" as in the case of "trans women are also women". It's just intentionally confusing. The goal is to wear you down so you just do it rather than deal with explaining it or arguing about it each time.

"Men have vaginas" and "Women have penises" is pure 2+2=5.

R33, yet they seem to be the only comics that can draw huge audiences and who are household names.

Who are the younger comics taking their place?

R37, they might now.

It's true that TRAs originally were careful to avoid getting into fights with men.

That's why they leaned into the TERF term so heavily. They wanted to paint their opponents as the type of feminists that straight men don't like.

Men also were staying clear of the trans issue because they thought they would get bashed by women.

But now that straight women have given straight men the signal to get involved there will inevitably be more conflict between men and TRAs

I really don't think so. As well as being incredibly homophobic, most trans (at least male ones) are incredibly misogynist too.

R50, the gloves are off. The TRAs have been attacking Bill Maher, Dave Chappelle and Ricky Gervais.

I'm sure they're all terrified.

R51 nowhere near like they attack women like J.K. Rowling. I actually saw a TRA post that SHE was to blame for the "rise in transphobia" because they didn't bash her HARD ENOUGH it encouraged others. Like what else could they have done? Physical violence is about all that was left, and they tried intimidating her by picketing in front of her house, too.

Like, that's their thought process - no matter who is going against the orthodoxy, it's STILL a woman's fault. The autogynephiles are the most misogynistic of all.

[quote]A female has a vagina. A female is a woman. Therefore, a woman has a vagina.

Unless she has a penis. But you knew that already. Do not assume because that makes an ass out of you and me.

R54 you're what, 12?

[quote]Do not assume because that makes an ass out of you and me.

What kind of ass though? A male ass (in close proximity to a dick) or a female ass (next to a vagina)?

An ass that we all have, they all are used to get rid of bodily excrement. And when not cleaned all smell

You seem to grasp biology better than The Trans do R57

The most concerning thing about this issue is that for many people accepting that penis=male and vagina=female is now considered a far right belief.

AOC and the ACLU refusing to say women, girl or female when discussion the abortion rights the far right want to end plays right into their hands.

Erasure of women.

Erasure of gays.

🤐

R53, it's true the TRAs haven't gone after men as badly but the fact that they have started to target them as well is noteworthy.

In the end, it'll be men who crush the TRAs.

The jokes write themselves!

Oh my God, R62. What the hell is happening?! It's like we're living in an alternate universe where black is white, men are women and pretending to give birth to a stillborn baby is a fun weekend activity.

Anyone would think the insufferable trans cunt would just doing it to make women feel uncomfortable.

A lot of them started as incels. It's fairly typical for trans to start as incels or MRAs

[quote] 99% of the public disagrees with you.

R33, you are completely full of shit.

I actually agree with him, but the jokes just weren't that funny. Dave Chappelle is so much funnier. And he doesn't have that chavy accent like Ricky does. What adult calls themselves Ricky?

Jesus Christ. At least try and not look like something out of a nightmare ( at r62 )

Ricky and Bill Maher are both old farts who think their cultural irrelevance actually means they're TOO BADASS!!!!!

They're old and out of date. They hate who their fans are now and are mad the hip young people have moved on.

R68 what comedians have younger people moved onto that have the cultural relevance of Chappelle, Gervais and Maher?

Yeah what do hip young people like?

I'm in my 40s but my younger colleagues also love Ricky Gervais. I think most people do.

The totally normal saga of the human entity at R26 is several years old.

^ I meant R62

[quote]GOOD! About time. The rain of terror has got to stop.

Oh, dear!

R62 twitter link is horrifying, except for the other tweets where you see TRAs coming after Owen Jones.

Troons. All of them.

What's Owen done to upset them? I thought he was Trans Ally Number 1?

They're eating their own. Delicious.

Who's OJ? Simpson? What does he have to do with trans ppl? What is this test?

[quote]Ricky and Bill Maher are both old farts who think their cultural irrelevance actually means they're TOO BADASS!!!!! They're old and out of date. They hate who their fans are now and are mad the hip young people have moved on.

By "hip and young" do you mean all the entitled, confused, self obsessed Millennial and Gen Z cry babies? Do you mean non-binaries and translunatics like the freak at R62?

Yes, I mean old people who are angry they aren't young anymore (like R79).

They hate the media portrait of younger people and assume (stupidly) that it's true.

So they rush to embrace cultural figures (like Maher and Gervais) who tell them, "it's not you. it's them. All the young people today are entitled and non-binary and cry!"

It's an updated version of what Henny Youngman and Dean Martin did in the late 60s.

Gen Z like "comedians" like Hannah Gadsby, who don't even really try to be funny. They just want to "share their truth" with everyone. Blech.

[quote]Who's OJ?

Owen Jones. The UK's biggest gay ally to The Trans, and from what it looks like, not immune to their wrath.

It's so strange and unusual that younger people and older people find different things funny. The only problem is the older people refuse to admit they're old and rage against the young people for being young.

We olds rage against the young for being annoying.

Well if the olds stuck to pointing out how the young were annoying, that would be fine.

The problem is that the olds are fucking drama queens and have convinced themselves that the young are MAOISTS or the TRANSTAPO!!! or are WOKE NAZIS or something.

When really, they don't find old-school ethnic humor funny. It's fine to keep making those jokes, but you're gonna be looked at as corny and stupid and old and out of it.

If Gervais and Maher weren't such egomaniacs, they'd realize something like that.

Who is someone young and funny? I’m trying to keep up.

Bo Burnham comes to mind.

Again, who are the younger comedians that the younger generation is following who have the broad cultural relevance of the "old" comedians?

Who can draw large audiences to their performances?

Maybe the younger generation doesn't like comedians?

Maybe the "old" comedians don't have broad culture relevance because them and their audience is very old?

And that situation is filling them with rage?

Also - Bo Burnham. John Mulaney. Ali Wong. Marcella Aguello.

Google is your friend, you crotchety old fuck.

R89 the younger generation doesn't like comedians? That's odd. That's like saying a generation of people doesn't like music.

More likely, they don't like the woke comedians their generation has produced.

Never heard of Wong or Aguello.

Mulaney is known thanks to the elderly Lorne Michaels who hired him as a young guy.

But why so bitter for a young man, R89?

R89 and Mulaney likes and respects Dave Chappelle. Had him as an opener for a recent standup appearance.

Obviously, the TRAs didn't like it but Mulaney didn't care.

[quote]Maybe the younger generation doesn't like comedians?

That actually might make sense given how humourless and bitter R89 is.

Humorless & bitter, what a hell of a way to live!

Funny how many of the lots of truly oppressed group produce great comics. AA's(Eddie Murphy, Pryor, Chapelle, Wanda Sykes to name a tiny number of the may), Jews endless list. gays(Wanda Sykes, Ellen, Lynde, Graham Chapman to name just a few). Maybe if you only think you are oppressed but are really self-important entitle twat you become that bitter & humorless person.

[quote]Never heard of Wong or Aguello.

Maybe cause you're old and out of it?

[quote]Maybe if you only think you are oppressed but are really self-important entitle twat you become that bitter & humorless person.

Like Jim Brewer? And Dennis Miller? And Bubba the Love Sponge? And every Morning Zoo radio host? And Andrew Dice Clay?

I love Ricky. He’s my spirit animal.

Your spirit animal is a pudgy, smug middle-aged man?

^If they are funny so what. Rodney Dangerfield rode that oppressed husband /person getting no respect into comedy gold. He was hysterical. It's just got to funny.

Rodney was never a smirking, condescending asshole.

Yes, R97. It is.

Like The Truly Great Duke(Ellington) once said about music, "when it sounds good it is good." Same thing for comedy. When I laugh its funny. I'm a comedy whore. I love to laugh, seek out a good laugh everyday. And it is so varied. Love Ricky, Andrew Dice Clay, among a vast myriad of others. Always seeking out new comics, comic series, shows. What's better than a laugh?

Maybe try it. It makes my face feel so soft, my belly so good.

I love to laugh. I find a lot of things funny. Ricky Gervais isn't one of them. He's always been a puffed-up, self-important asshole to me.

Go watch "The invention of lying" and tell me how funny you think he is.

^Different strokes for different folks. You don't have to find Ricky funny. I do. I won't tell you who to laugh at. Your nattering at me, won't change what I laugh at. Although if you get nanny enough I will probably laugh at you. That would be nice ,could use another laugh today, so feel free.

"get nanny enough"?

You English people are weird.

R81 I want to like Bo Burnham but he always seems preachy to me.

He nailed Joe Rogan pretty brutally. And Ricky, frankly.

[quote]Go watch "The invention of lying" and tell me how funny you think he is.

It's about his standup.

Gervais is obviously in love with himself and the idea that he’s an iconoclast — people like that often aren’t wrong but you want to see them bitten in half by a tyrannosaur anyway.

And of course The Office & Extras weren't funny at all, not ever, ever!!

The Office, which is just ok, was made in collaboration with Stephen Marchant. It's that sort of English "wince-humor" that they seem to love and I think is boring. And "Extras" was cruel and sour.

'David Brent: Life on the Road' is hilarious.

R104 you seem like an uncultured rube.

You English people mistake your slang for "culture."

You may not know this - but the Empire is gone and you're a third-rate cultural, economic and military power now.

He was good on the show Extras besides that he’s just DUMPY AVERAGE UNFUNNY

[quote] And of course The Office & Extras weren't funny at all, not ever, ever!!

Thank you, Captain False Opposition.

That’s not fair r113 — surely second rate.

^Love the posters on here who think they can force people to find Gervais unfunny. . Have they not noticed that you can't legislate laughter? People laugh when they find something funny.

My greatest regret will be when msaks go away completely. We have a really bizarre, creepy trans who works in our local supermarket who of course wants everyone to: "Notice Me, Pay Attention to Me" It's/they machinations always make me laugh. At least the mask hides my laughing.

[quote]Have they not noticed that you can't legislate laughter?

They don't necessarily want to legislate laughter, they "just" want there to be consequences for laughing at stuff they deem problematic. Like public shaming, cancellation, ostracisation, deplatforming etc.

Look at how close-knit religious communities deal with transgressors and you'll understand the mechanism at work here. It's all just repackaged religion for the woke era.

[quote]Have they not noticed that you can't legislate laughter?

No one's seeking to do that, dear. The Klan Grannies on the DL seem to confuse disagreement with MAOIST THOUGHT CONTROL!!!!

You're a bunch of drama queens with bottomless self-pity.

[quote]they "just" want there to be consequences for laughing at stuff they deem problematic.

See, the thing about "Free Speech" is that everyone has it. You're free to love comedians who mock trans people, handicapped people, black people. Any kind of people.

Some of us are free to think (and say!) that that is shitty and you're a shitty person for doing so and maybe think about that.

Ricky Gervais as David Brent makes me laugh.

Good for you!

[quote]comedians who mock trans people

Still not clear how Gervais mocked trans people in this special when all he did was quote their literal words and their putdowns of 'cis' people. That's was it.

R113 oh I'm not English, I just think your post was very similar to the posts of twelve year olds on Twitter who tweet "Bri'ish" whenever a British person says anything that is using terms or words they don't recognize easily in context. They seem like children because they are. You seem like a child, too. If you aren't a child, you're just uncultured and foolish.

R122 seems bitter.

R119 = spoken like a he/they

R120 maybe, instead, you should think about why the words were funny to a great deal of people. They're funny because they highlight the ridiculous nature of the situation. Sensitive people, who know that laughter undermines the seriousness with which they say "some women have penises", will be angry because it shows them for what they are - manipulative and foolish.

If your claims and argument can't withstand a few jokes, perhaps you should think about why.

Yes, Amos and Andy were hilarious! It's only sensitive people who can't take a joke that ended their glorious career.

Hahahahahaha. Omg. Hahahahahahahaha. Wow.

Hahahahahaahaha.

R128 Don't equate trans with race. They are completely unrelated.

I've noticed that tactic being used a lot lately.

Humor catering to the prejudices of an older generation being swept away by younger people seems on point to me.

It's not the same thing, r132. This would be like if much of the younger generation all suddenly became Hare Krishnas, and were making fun of the older generation for being "squares". This isn't a normal societal change brought about by some future utopia we are all moving towards. It's an actual harmful and regressive movement that is reinforcing gender stereotypes and converting gay and lesbian children into "trans".

So no, your attempt to make it an "old out-of-touch generation versus younger cool generation" doesn't hold up.

Your charge of "converting gay and lesbian children into 'trans'" is paranoid fantasy that makes me sad.

R134. Your naïveté makes 'me' sad.

You're not capable of emotions - you're a stupid fucking troll who feels nothing and lives to stir shit in order to fill the empty hole in your soul.

"I can't defend my beliefs so I will attack people and say they're evil"

Of course I can "defend" my beliefs. When the attack is made-up hysterical nonsense, I don't feel the need to marshal facts.

The right wing anti-trans troll is evil though. I’m exhausted having to explain this over and over. Evil never wins.

Of course evil can win. The arc of the moral universe doesn't bend towards justice if people don't force it to.

R139 there may be a right wing "anti-trans" troll here, but many of us are lifelong Democrats and are not in any way right wing. We just don't agree with performing medical experiments on children to satisfy the narcissism of their parents, and autogynephilic men taking women's hard-won spaces away from them.

But I realize it makes it easier to keep your simplistic worldview black and white when you label things as bluntly as "evil" (aka anyone who disagrees with me) and "not evil" (everyone who shares my opinions).

If it makes me laugh, it's funny. Judge me, which will BRW, make me laugh even more. Thank God that where I live lots of folks still wearing masks, my laughing is hidden most of the time. The occasional deep laugh I disguise with a cough. Then a quick back turn like I don't want any germs to hit the Self righteous funny men expostulating about racisst, evil humor of evil old people who need to die ASAP! Maybe they just need to get laid.

R142 sounds sane!

[quote] [R139] there may be a right wing "anti-trans" troll here, but many of us are lifelong Democrats and are not in any way right wing.

Sure, Jan.

Keep em; coming R143. You made me laugh again!! More please!

[QUOTE]I’m exhausted having to explain this over and over.

Trans exhaustion strikes again!

R141 - sorry but the use of the word "autogynephilic" is a red flag. Normal people don't use that word. It's pretty much reserved for the parlance of the loony anti-trans haters like Andrew Sullivan - another right-wing gay who insists he's no right-winger but JUST THINKS MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS ON CHILDREN ARE WRONG!!! (even though that's not what this is).

R142 - you think you're Anna Madrigal, don't you?

R147 everything is a red flag when you are desperately trying to avoid anyone looking deeper at your arguments, or lack thereof, around gender ideology. It's just another way to shut down discussion.

Autogynephilia is a well-documebted paraphilia, and it's quite apparent that the majority of the M2F trans are now people with autogynephila. Scan through any trans space on Reddit and you'll find copious examples of people experiencing "gender euphoria" where they are sexually aroused at being perceived as the opposite gender. They are the ones who have taken over the movement from the people with gender dysphoria.

Sorry you can't handle facts.

Yes, who among us doesn't go to "trans space[s] on Reddit" to garner facts?

What is "gender ideology"?

Do normal people really use the word "paraphilia" who aren't Magnus Hirschfeld?

R149 your lack of education and curiosity is noted.

Who is Magnus Hirschfeld, R150? Please summarize his career. You're the educated one and not me.

Sure, right after you tell me who John Money is.

See the other thread where I'm arguing with you if you really want a definition of gender ideology, since you seem to be pretending to be clueless.

I'm wondering if it's possible to get something out of your anti-trans people that isn't total mania. So far, no luck.

I'm wondering if it's possible to get something out of trans rights activists that isn't hyperbole, lying, or bullying attacks. So far, no luck.

I guess "what is gender ideology?" is a bullying attack to you. Poor thing. You must be quite delicate.

r155 I defined it in the other thread - you are pointedly ignoring that, because you were not asking the question genuinely. But keep pretending that you're clever.

Sure you did, dear. May I suggest some mint tea and a nice nap.

r157 Do you want me to cut and paste it for you? I can, if you are unable to look yourself. I'm happy to help you become less ignorant.

The thing is that there's little guarantee that your response won't be loony. So I guess I'll die wondering.

One can only hope that's soon, r159!

Awww I'll cry myself to sleep knowing the crazy anti-trans lunatic who has pornographic fantasies about men in dresses in women's showers doesn't like me.

A man can never be a woman.

A woman can never be a man.

A man can wear a dress and makeup and pretend to have cramps.

A woman can lower her voice, wear a suit, try to be taken seriously (some things never change).

It's nice that you think that.

Just know that, 30 years ago, some of the same people were saying:

A man who has sex with a man isn't a real man.

A woman who sex with a woman isn't a real woman.

So congratulations!

[quote]A man who has sex with a man isn't a real man.

People with same-sex attraction in no way limit or usurp the rights of other protected groups.

Wow all this Pro The Trans/ Anti The Trans.. & Ricky is still funny to me. How soon till I get that knock on the door from the laugh Gestapo with that order: no laughing, no talking & no showing your teeth(my grans. mantra for when we went to church). Again I'm grateful masks are still popular where I live, so I can laugh in public at the stuff I see & no one even knows..

Trans people don't limit or usurp your rights either.

But anti-gay activists certainly thought gay acceptance would limit their rights.

Again with the Gestapo. You boomer fucks are so dramatic. No ones coming for you because you like Ricky Gervais.

Liking Ricky Gervais doesn't make you special or interesting or daring or rebellious.

Frankly, it denotes a certain cranky old age.

But whatever. A billion dollar corporation is piping it into your home and you think you're fucking Freedom Riders.

R 167 More please you make me laugh so hard

You don't!

^Cave Man here, ah back in the day we had some great jokes. This one used crack them up around the fire. What did the brontosaurus say to the triceratops?

[quote]Trans people don't limit or usurp your rights either.

Apparently women's rights include the right to be raped in prison by a male who's sent to women's prison because of 'gender identity'.

Radical Trans Activists (as opposed to regular trans people who just want to live life in peace) are hellbent on dictating our speech to the nth degree, and claim any infraction leads to mass suicide. They are finger-wagging, lip-puckering prisspots on the hunt to be victimized.

The gay and lesbian movement was about love. Allow us to love who we want. Love is love.

It's hard to fight against love.

It's harder to swallow the trans movement of relentless speech-policing, double-speak, ritual shaming, and strong-arming society to believe things that go against common logic like "men have vaginas" and "men can give birth." The tactics are backfiring, majorly.

You do realize that Radical AIDS Activists (as opposed to regular gay people who just wanted to live in peace) were hellbent on dictating our speech to the Nth degree. "People with AIDS" vs "AIDS victims." Staging kiss-ins. Interrupting mass at St Patricks! Straight people will hate us!! The Dems will lose in November!

R172 that's because it's a cult. It has all the signifiers of one. You can also see in r173's post where he seems to be speaking in tongues with his latest Whataboutism.

Without the ‘radical activists’ , we’d still be marginalized. You owe them a big thank you, r173, not internalized homophobia. Get some therapy.

R173 - So it sounds like you are indeed equating being trans with sickness and illness. Am I interpreting that correctly?

Because AIDS was an illness than physically deteriorated and killed people. People weren't willingly going out saying, "Give me AIDS! I want to be an person with AIDS! Doctors, inject me with AIDS!"

It's R172 who fanned herself and decried "radical activists" who annoy people and tell them how to talk and offend middle-class sensibilities.

Well, it's maybe worth pointing out that AIDS activists, too, annoyed people and told them how to talk and offended middle-class sensibilities and strong-armed opponents and shouted people down and were generally pains in the ass.

You may say "well this is different. I agree with AIDS activism and I don't agree with trans activism!" Fine, I suppose, but just know that the tactics aren't new. And all activists are like this.

Inconveniencing somebody's sensibility isn't the issue. That's up to free speech.

The yardstick should be: Does your radical activism lead to infringement of the rights of other protected classes?

There were a lot of people with diseases who weren't happy with AIDS activists grabbing all the headlines. They claimed research into Parkinsons, Alzheimers, breast cancer, etc all took a back seat to AIDS research because the activists were so loud and annoying and offensive to middle-class sensibilities.

Kathleen Madigan had some old bit where she discussed performing in a casino on a reservation. She said something like, "A tribal elder told me beforehand I was forbidden from making jokes about Native Americans.

"So I replied, 'Whatever you say, Geronimo.'"

See, that's just hacky garbage. 80's "I hate my wife/chinese people can't drive" hacky shitty comedians.

But lucrative, for sure.

All activists are loud, all want to be prioritized by the public agenda.

Only certain activists demand that other protected groups give up hard fought rights.

I'm not sure which rights anyone has that were hard-fought-for that trans people want to take from someone?

Sort of reminds me of the anti-gay-marriage activists who claimed that the mere existence of gay marriage would take away their rights to a marriage unsullied by gayness.

Sex-based rights, R183.

The point is that the trans activists' approach is not working. Many liberals behind the scenes are quietly whispering about they're finding it harder to support them. They need to focus less on finger-wagging and language policing, and on integrating into society. Parading around with chest scars doesn't help. Declaring a man getting pregnant must be "normalized" wins over few people. Stamping one's foot and saying a family member who accidentally misgenders you is "violence" convinces no one.

[quote]I'm not sure which rights anyone has that were hard-fought-for that trans people want to take from someone?

Women's sport.

Laurel Hubbard was born in 1978.

Women's weightlifting was FINALLY introduced as an Olympic event in 2000.

The 2000 gold medalist was born in 1979.

The 2004 gold medalist was born in 1979.

The 2008 gold medalist was born in 1983.

The 2012 gold medalist was born in 1988.

The 2016 gold medalist was born in 1989.

The 2020 gold medalist was born in 2000.

Hubbard, in her 40s, was competing against women in their 20s, and denied a female weightlifter the chance to compete at the Olympics.

No one had an issue with Quinn winning Gold in the women's football competition because Quinn is a female. No one had an issue with the trans non binary skateboarder because the trans non binary skateboarder is female and competed against other females.

[quote]The point is that the trans activists' approach is not working. Many liberals behind the scenes are quietly whispering about they're finding it harder to support them.

Said the same thing about AIDS activists in the early 90s.

[quote]They need to focus less on finger-wagging and language policing, and on integrating into society. Parading around with chest scars doesn't help.

Substitute "KS lesions" for chest scars and they said the same thing about ACT-UP.

[quote]Stamping one's foot and saying a family member who accidentally misgenders you is "violence" convinces no one.

Do people really do that? Did that happen to you? Or is it some Twitter bullshit you heard third-hand?

[quote]Sort of reminds me of the anti-gay-marriage activists who claimed that the mere existence of gay marriage would take away their rights to a marriage unsullied by gayness.

And yet the fact is that gay marriage and protections against discrimination in no way restrict or impose on the same rights of anti-gay activists.

While radical trans activists lobby for and are relatively successful in imposing on the sex-based rights of women and gay people by seeking to replace the basis of these rights (biological sex) with a made-up, and by their own definition malleable, category of 'gender'.

[quote]gay marriage and protections against discrimination in no way restrict or impose on the same rights of anti-gay activists.

Anti-gay marriage activists certainly didn't think so. There were laws on the books specifically banning it when Obergafell was issued. Coincidentally, some of the same states that are now targeting trans people.

I can't think of a single right i had three years ago that I don't have now that trans activists have taken from me.

Bathrooms? College sports? This is what I'm supposed to get so upset about?

[quote]Anti-gay marriage activists certainly didn't think so.

That's politics and perception. I'm talking about fact - their rights were in no way infringed.

Obviously my point is that the direct comparison with gay history and anti-gay movements is specious.

Maybe your rights aren't being infringed either. Maybe you're being as hysterical and blinkered as they were.

I'm Erikke (formerly Erika), aged six. Mommy tells me because I liked watching sports on television I am actually a boy in a girl's body! I'm just wearing boy clothes now but Mommy says I am in line for pooburty bwokers as soon as I am old enough! I have to do all this or Mommy says I may not be here any more!

I hope the stories I heard at the playground about decreased bone density and inability to orgasm aren't true, because while I don't know what those are, it sure seems like something a boy (me) would enjoy!

[QUOTE]I can't think of a single right i had three years ago that I don't have now that trans activists have taken from me.

Try and form a support group for lesbians and gay men and see yourself branded as a 'hate group'. (Needless to say a support group only for trans is fine and dandy).

State biological reality that humans can not change their sex, and see if you lose your job or get investigated for a 'hate crime'

State that you don't want men in female changing rooms, rape crisis centres, women's sports etc and see what happens.

Why would I want to do ANY of those things? I’m not a bigot.

What's bigoted about supporting lesbians and gay men?

Sure, Jan.

Anybody who claims in 2022 to not know what rights trans activists have taken away or are trying to take away is lying.

Men allowed into women's prisons, changing rooms, restrooms, showers, domestic violence shelters, and rape crisis centers have spied on, recorded, and assaulted women there. They are protected by authorities rather than punished.

Men have taken women's athletic scholarships and medals. Curiously (if you're brain-dead and actually believe women and men's bodies are the same, with the same capabilities), no women have competed on men's teams and trounced their competition or teammates. Gosh, why might that be?

Trans activists have completely rewritten the history of Stonewall into a fantasy about how transwomen were at the forefront and we owe all the rights we have today to them. It's complete bullshit, as is all their propaganda.

Trans activists have successfully gotten books banned because they honestly delve into the history of transgenderism and gender identity. With the usual claims about how verifiable truth is literal genocide.

I'm sure there are more, but my point is made. If somebody claims to have no idea about any of this, they are straight-up lying.

Interesting UK survey as reported in the Guardian. Conclusions - people are tolerant but accept the existence of difficult areas. Gosh.

I know about some of these things, but I don't see them in the apocalyptic terms you do.

And, frankly, if you're concerned about books being banned and women/children being abused, it's the Republican party and organized religion that you should fulminate against.

So maybe your hate-boner against trans people has nothing to do with all that and you just hate them?

And Ricky is still funny to many, including me. He's making $$$$$ for himself & for Netflix. But, it's only old, corrupt, evil people who find him funny. And wait for it, you know it's coming. ANYONE who finds him funny is old, evil racissst, sexist & needs to die in a grease fire

Nah. That's overstating things. It's more that his TWO-FISTED TRUTH-TELLING, STICK IT TO THE SNOWFLAKES persona is sort of dumb and transparently old-man-ish.

And that persona has appeal to other old people who mistake their aging for the end of civilization.

Because, interestingly, if civilization is ending, it's because of old people.

The "Sure, Jan" troll is a trans rights activist. All he can do is shriek and gaslight and insult. Reality? What's that? He's never heard of it.

Just block his smarmy, obnoxious replies. You will be better off.

^ He/She?It/ They/Them or Us is the best advert for why Trans is Coo-Coo for Coco Puffs! Couldn't play into the hands of those who will continue to use anti trans as a political club. What a great strategy Mr. Trans Rights Activist. Keep winning friends & getting people on your side by telling them what they are allowed to like, laugh at, enjoy. Works EVERYTIME. Ask Hillary how it got her in the White House.

Sure but I think we can all agree Ricky Gervais sucks and is boring and terrible!

I think we can agree that R204 can't read.

TRA = MRA

TRA = Incel

The survey featured in The Guardian article "Forget toxic Twitter debates: the UK isn’t as divided on trans rights as you think" tries to blame TERFs for the hate speech but responsibilty for the public discourse in Britain comes from Stonewall and trans supporting politicians, like Nicola Sturgeon.

Stonewall have insisted on NO DEBATE for years. insisting TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS and TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN no matter what.

Their lesbian chief executive LITERALLY COMPARED GAY PEOPLE TO RACISTS for not wanting to sleep with someone of the opposite sex.

As the report shows, there is an significant increase in the support for trans women using female spaces when they've had their penis turned into a neo vagina but that in sporting competitions having once had a penis is still an issue.

Instead of focusing on compromises and solutions to obvious conflicts - i.e. how sex offenders have their crimes recorded, what criteria a trans woman has to meet before being transferred to a women's prison, agreement on inclusive terms in healthcare that don't erase the word women, Stonewall have pushed organisations to embrace their ideology without question, refused to debate any challengers and smeared those (black lesbians in particular) who disagree with them.

[quote]Their lesbian chief executive LITERALLY COMPARED GAY PEOPLE TO RACISTS for not wanting to sleep with someone of the opposite sex.

She did? That's...probably not true.

Switch to decaf, sweetie.

The closest I could find is that she compared anti-trans views with antisemitic views.

People may disagree with that, but it is not LITERALLY COMPARING GAY PEOPLE TO RACISTS FOR NOT WANTING TO SLEEP WITH SOMEONE OF THE OPPOSITE SEX.

[quote]Anybody who claims in 2022 to not know what rights trans activists have taken away or are trying to take away is lying.

Sure, Jan.

[quote] Men allowed into women's prisons, changing rooms, restrooms, showers, domestic violence shelters, and rape crisis centers have spied on, recorded, and assaulted women there. They are protected by authorities rather than punished.

Sure, Jan.

[quote] Men have taken women's athletic scholarships and medals.

Sure, Jan.

[quote] Trans activists have completely rewritten the history of Stonewall into a fantasy about how transwomen were at the forefront and we owe all the rights we have today to them. It's complete bullshit, as is all their propaganda.

Sure, Jan.

[quote] Trans activists have successfully gotten books banned because they honestly delve into the history of transgenderism and gender identity. With the usual claims about how verifiable truth is literal genocide.

Sure, Jan.

[quote] I'm sure there are more, but my point is made. If somebody claims to have no idea about any of this, they are straight-up lying.

Sure, Jan.

[quote]The closest I could find is that she compared anti-trans views with antisemitic views. People may disagree with that, but it is not LITERALLY COMPARING GAY PEOPLE TO RACISTS FOR NOT WANTING TO SLEEP WITH SOMEONE OF THE OPPOSITE SEX.

These were Nancy Kelley's words

[quote]“If you find that when dating, you are writing off entire groups of people, like people of colour, fat people, disabled people or trans people, then it’s worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions.”

She is comparing gay men who "write off" female dating/sexual partners to racists. She is comparing lesbians who don't want to suck a cock to racists.

What’s wrong with that? If you ARE shutting yourself off to whole segments of people then maybe YOU are the problem.

[quote]how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions

It's simply not possible that your attractions are based on biology!

You cannot state that you aren't attracted to anyone and everyone under the sun!

[quote]If you ARE shutting yourself off to whole segments of people then maybe YOU are the problem.

Haven't gays and lesbians have heard this one before?

R214 would rather blow Donald Trump, cause he's white, than Idirs Elba, cause he's black.

R216 hasn't met a goalpost he/she/zir didn't want to move!

Sure, Jan.

That someone would even posit a choice between Donald Trump and Idris Elba is by itself a sign of mental health problem.

Sure, Jan. Mental health problem. 🙄

It's the same old bullshit arguments from the trans-haters.

Their objections are weak tea, vastly overblown or just flat-out lies.

They say that trans people are some kind of KHMER ROUGE online but, maybe walk down the street with a trans person and see who really has the power in this society and who is really scary.

It ain't trans people.

[quote]Sure, Jan. Mental health problem. 🙄

Mental or troll.

No other options.

[quote]That someone would even posit a choice between Donald Trump and Idris Elba is by itself a sign of mental health problem.

Idk - the "i am not attracted to black people! It's just a preference!" people are basically saying the hottest black man is less than the most repulsive white man.

R223 = incel

Oh? What makes you say that?

TRA = Homophobe as evidenced in the comments here from our tranny poster.

[QUOTE]People may disagree with that, but it is not LITERALLY COMPARING GAY PEOPLE TO RACISTS FOR NOT WANTING TO SLEEP WITH SOMEONE OF THE OPPOSITE SEX.

Ooooh! Scary CAPS LOCK!

How come then, any criticism or questions of trans ideology is branded LITERAL VIOLENCE by TRAs? Do you not see the hypocrisy? Or is your brain too EXHAUSTED from having so much cognitive dissonance going on?

It’s branded violence because it IS violence. Duh. I’m exhausted having to educate you over and over again. Go pick up a gender ideology book if you’re so ignorant.

The very talented Alexandra Billings at the lnstagram link on the subject of trans "violence" and the comparison with race.

She equates accidentally misgendering someone with purposefully calling someone the n-word. Utter nonsense.

She uses herself as an example, but the inference is clear she means any person who uses pronouns that may not be immediately known by the viewer.

Alexandra then goes on to shame a young trans person who dares to disagrees.

[quote] amazonangel1992 - Although this is a brilliant explanation I have to respectfully disagree Alexandra. Here’s why. I am just starting my transition publicly and only came out to my family a year ago I’m 29 years old for my mom and dad it’s still hard for Them to grasp the concept of changing pronouns. they mess up and sometimes don’t call me she and her like I prefer. my mom told me that I have to understand their point of you which is I’ve known me my entire life for 28 years as someone else I know I’m changing it’s going to be a difficult process a lot of us unfortunately and realistically Carry attributes Of the opposite sex that we are presenting. somehow I find it normal although some people might not find it acceptable to have human error sometimes there’s no malice behind it. I personally know how to move on from it and not let it affect my mental health other day because I would definitely be in the pits If I did. I know everybody’s different but I don’t expect that long reaction or accountability my pronouns unless they are doing it with malice. just my thought.

Alexandra's response:

[quote] therealalexandrabillings -Verified -@amazonangel1992 Angel. Everyone has a different experience with gender. I would never debate you publicly about your own feelings. And I do not know your parents so I would never attempt to form any public opinions attacking their character. This isn’t about being a good or a bad person. Violence is violence. What you are doing is normalizing it. It doesn’t mean it isn’t violence. It only means you have internalized it and are pretending it isn’t happening. Please be mindful of others and their experiences. Do not trivialize the seriousness of being misgendered by saying simply because you don’t feel that way, it isn’t violent. That negates most every trans person‘s experience with their own gender identity and the judgments we have faced for generations. I have been in the life for 40 years now, my experience is quite different than yours. I only ask that you are kinder to your Trans family by honoring the facts of what we endure. Everyone’s experience matters.But violence is violence, the intention behind it has nothing to do with anything.

^ "disagree"

[quote]Everyone has a different experience with gender.

The navel-gazing is out of this world.

Everyone has a different experience with EVERYTHING -- it's related to consciousness (well, the hard problem of consciousness, to quote David Chalmers) and the problem of other minds.

However, your own first-person experience remains, by nature, private and inaccessible. No one really cares how your view yourself, except yourself.

Unlike gays and lesbians, trannies will never be normalized.

This is what is known as "institutional capture"

[quote] there may be a right wing "anti-trans" troll here, but many of us are lifelong Democrats and are not in any way right wing. We just don't agree with performing medical experiments on children to satisfy the narcissism of their parents, and autogynephilic men taking women's hard-won spaces away from them

And we’re speaking up more and more. When trans-radicals start insisting that ‘gender identity’ is the determining factor, and that ‘homosexuality doesn’t exist,’ therefore, gay men who don’t like vagina are ‘bigots,’ than that’s the beginning of the end of this ‘alliance.’

Ironic that people who are obsessed with others ‘affirming’ their identity are so casual about erasing my identity! Fuck that. Gay men know what we like, and we wont be forced.

That Alexandria person at r230 - "in the life for forty years" like she's a carny or something. (although...)

And then she tells the person not to dismiss others' experiences, while dismissing the person she's admonishing's experience.

r232 yeah that's why it's so bizarre that nonbinaries etc. insist there's "no one way to be nonbinary" and it's so subjective it cannot be accurately described, like a Heisenberg particle - yet they want this very undefinable thing used in law and put on official documents.

The Planned Parenthood link about changing language at R234 is curious. I, of course, fully support the mission of Planned Parenthood, as a solid liberal who believes in a woman's right to choose.

From that Planned Parenthood's Twitter link:

[quote] NO: woman's decision; YES: patient's decision. NO: feminine hygiene; YES: menstrual health. NO: abortion is a woman's right; YES: abortion is a human right.

[quote] Using gender-neutral language when talking about abortion is critical to prevent the erasure of trans and nonbinary people — who already face disproportionate barriers to health care access.

I smell double-speak. We must embrace all kinds of people who face struggle. Yet, isn't this attempt to not "erase" trans and nonbinary people counter-productively erasing women?

Isn't this indeed taking away what has been one of the tentpole struggles of women in the last century by actively not say "women"?

Why are we being now asked to actively "see color" while being asked to "un-see gender"?

Am I even allowed to ask or ponder any of this because I am a man and not trans?

(I cannot ask any of this out loud in the live world, lest I be dubbed a TERF.)

I supported PP for a long time. Then I read up on Margaret Sanger & the Mission of PP. Then that tape of the PP bitch bragging how much she can get for dead fetus part. No more PP for me.

[quote]I supported PP for a long time.

Sure Jan r238

[quote]I cannot ask any of this out loud in the live world

Oh please, you could get a show on Fox.

Ahh, so sad for Lia..see other thread on FINA decision. All us bad, Natasha.Boris, Chung King bots posting here, we made this happen, evil us. Shame on us!!

You'd think it would stop you kooks from acting like you're these poor, brave, besieged rebels, but nothing will stop you idiots from feeling sorry for yourselves.

What happened with Lia??

Real transitioning. MTF Getting the chop, getting the fake vagina, fake tits, taking hormones for the rest of your lives .Sorry if you have the dick you were born with, you're not trans , you're just cosplaying & doing drag without getting paid . FTM getting rid of your vagina getting a fake dick, taking hormones for the rest of your lives. If you still have your tits & the vagina you were born with , same deal you're just cosplaying & doing drag without getting paid.

The great thing about people who have fully transitioned, they will not be able to reproduce. So whatever their psychopathology , if it is in a way genetic, it won't get passed on.

(Meant to post this in this thread.)

Transman Schuylar Bailar was just trying to enjoy Portland Pride, y'all.

But then FINA sent their release and his pussy is getting TIGHT about it. It's so "othering" he snits.

But y'are, Schuylar! Y'are! Own it!

Could it be?

Schuylar. Get a stylist & better drugs. That pressured, super fast speech, something is wrong. Meds. need to be evaluated ASAP., Schuylar is overweight & could have cardiac episode, stroke if meds are not right, especiallyif combined with play drugs.

Humans are not clownfish. Truth. And the song is a BOP!

LGB pushed out the N*M*L* crowd, yet T seem to embrace and try to rebrand them as MAPS. We need to run, not walk, away from this. Preying on kids while hiding behind OUR community? HELL no.

It is sometimes hard to believe things have gone this far

R249 is posting in Madlibs today.

Also, don't call any community "Our" community. You're not a member of any community.

Except maybe the community of crazy fucking bigots.

TERF! Whore! Indeed, Ricky. I don't recognize this Pride.

Smell r251, who thinks she speaks for all GLB people.

Ricky Gervais's special Supernature smashes streaming records

So you're saying that watching a boring old hack do his comedy shit ISN'T an act of badass rebellion? That hating on trans people is actually super popular and that trans people are a hated minority?

Huh.

R255, I would like to know what the difference is between a cis woman with all the features of a trans man (androgynous face, muscular, finger patterns consistent with natal testosterone exposure, symptoms of female autism) and an actual trans man. The only difference is self-identity, I believe, but it’s a huge difference. The TERFs are in many cases biologically identical to the trans-identifying people; it’s just that we care a lot about not medicalizing our condition and allowing kids to go through puberty and grow up exactly as they are. It’s ok for there to be some variety in how women dress and act without it becoming really popular to say they aren’t really women. And yes, TERFs can have some mental health problems too, because the androgens that cause autism in the womb also cause us to have the least chance of any demographic of being economically successful. The trans men I know usually have some history of being belittled by men or comparing themselves unfavorably to men. So there can be a lot of trauma there. Anyway, if you’re a trans man, consider talking to a TERF. You might find that outside of identity politics you’re very similar people.

You seem....nuts.

R257, do you think people just get suicidal as kids because no one thinks they’re nuts? You aren’t the first person in my life who has said that. But if you’re saying that because I’m criticizing the trans-medicalization movement, maybe you should reconsider to what extent your own movement commits virtual-verbal violence. Embrace medicalization? We love and support you. Androgynous but don’t support medicalization? You’re a piece of shit, nuts, deserve to die, how dare you speak, woman, etc.

No, R258, I think you're nuts because your bottomless self-pity leads you to paint yourself as a victim.

Sorry, but either Gervais is a super-popular standup and millions of people are tuning into his special, or trans-haters are a scrappy, besieged minority, bravely questioning the status quo.

It can't be both.

R255 Gervais did no "hating on trans people" in his show.

As usual, trans have to make everything about them.

The few minutes during his show where Gervais mentions trans/pronouns become the entire reason anyone watches it, otherwise no one would watch the "boring old hack".

Please spare us. Their narcissism knows no bounds.

Unlike the gentle, well-adjusted world view of the DL trans loons who fulminate pornographically about MEN IN THE LADIES ROOM and CHOPPING OFF BREASTS and whatnot.

The only reason his boring trash is being paid attention to is that he's hating on trans people. Because he's such a BADASS!!!

Fucking shitty old people need to drop dead already.

R256 is asking what's the difference between XX and XY, and then self-answers that the difference is only 'identity'.

This is the type of 'alternative facts' we're dealing with in the post-fact world of various ideologies.

R264 yet you're the sane one, who camps on these threads, barfing up as many insults and logical fallacies as your little brain can think up, hiding behind that when your gradeschool attempts to outsmart others fall flat or you can't think of anything. You, who gets off on ageism, apparently, because that's somehow accepted by your "inclusiveness", while you froth at the mouth that a trans woman with a penis is not allowed to undress in front of women and girls.

And no, Gervais has been a popular comedian among other things for quite some time, the trans (and their fervent religious supporters like you) do not get to claim his fame and popularity is all about them.

Because if it is - why NOT start adding trans jokes to every standup act? If it's so easy to become a sensation and break all streaming records for comedy specials. After all, if the trans are that special and hating them is the only reason anyone does anything, why not?

Trans logic is not intelligent logic, nor is it actually logic. Much like trans themselves.

^ directed at r263, not r264. Trans R-Numbers trying to be something they aren't again.

Bone structure alone has marked differences.

Sorry, I misread R256.

R264, you misread my post. I am R256. My post was about the difference between an androgynous cis woman and a trans man (FTM) being a matter of identity politics; and also that radical feminism, which has always welcomed FTM, has many believers who are personally and physically very similar to trans men. So that even though the movements clash, they are actually members of the same minority group fighting each other. One wants trans-medicalization, and one wants the right to develop as what they were born as, even if they don’t grow up looking as an average person of their sex might look. In other words, TERFs identity as androgynous women, biological women with a freedom of action, dress and expression. They don’t think their differences from average mean they have to be singled out for medical treatment at puberty so that society can better fit them in a box.

R270 except that the FTMs have opted out of their sex in order to pretend to be men, so it's no longer "their struggle" anymore. They are rejecting their entire sex, not embracing it. It's an insult to actual feminists (which the FTMs no longer are).

Feminist women will dress and look like whatever they want, including looking like a male stereotype, but they won't call themselves men, because they are not.

R271, the only media allowed to criticize trans medicalization has been the right wing media, which not only believes biological women are women, but also wants to impose a religiously mandated strict gender role on all women. Kids these days don’t learn in school that gender roles are not the same thing as sex. Trans men think that when they’re criticized for being trans, that it’s because the person criticizing has a problem with them dressing, living or being the way they are. They think that the people telling them they are women actually want them to take on stereotypically female gender roles. They believe that sex and gender roles are the same thing. Mainstream media will not publish the feminist view point because even the words “biological sex” have been labeled as discriminatory speech. So please understand, there are plenty of people who support the right to perform whatever gender role you want while maintaining an intellectual awareness of your biological sex. So there are no limits on what gender role a man or woman can perform. If someone did a poll, I would still say I support transgender rights, mostly because I don’t support rigid gender roles being forced on women like the right-wingers who oppose the trans movement want to do. But that shouldn’t be the only choice. People shouldn’t have to be forced to choose between religious disempowerment and having kids denied the chance to go through puberty and subjected to unnecessary medicalization. And the left wing anti-trans medicalization movement- androgynous people against medicalization- has no voice partly because the people who feel this way are a minority that has direct experience. No left wing person who didn’t have direct personal experience with androgynous traits would have these views in the US, because having these views means fighting against a very strong current. No one will publish the views because mainstream science has decreed that gender is sex, making the views “unscientific”. I could go on and on about numerous ways hormones change over the course of life - the fact that testosterone peaks in women at 18 or 19 while estrogen peaks in the late 20s is probably responsible for the high numbers of “hasbiens” - college lesbians who went on to marry men. The estrogen-testosterone balance changes again around age 40. Calling children’s identification with gender roles a cause for switching sexes and surgery ignores that they were born EXACTLY the way that they were born, and that if they like things that aren’t average, it’s okay to like those things, while still being the way they were born.

R272 it seems like there might be some interesting points in there but for god's sake, add a paragraph break every now and then!

There's a chart that explains the three different groups and what they think about women, which covers what you are saying (if I could locate it).

[quote]Trans logic is not intelligent logic

Does logic have degrees of intelligence?

[quote]After all, if the trans are that special and hating them is the only reason anyone does anything, why not?

That seems to be Netflix's business model.

R274 Trans logic is not logic, much like trans women are not women, they are men.

Is it their business model, or just that out of everyone Gervais roasts in his show, the trans have no sense of humor because they know their position is inherently ridiculous, which is why they attacked him?

I love how you're a logician now.

The problem with asserting that "trans women are not women, they are men" is that it basically mirrors the antigay marriage and anti gay rhetoric of the 80s and 90s.

"Gay marriage is a contradiction in terms. Men can't be married. Only a man and a woman can do that."

"Gay men aren't men. Biologically, men are made to have sex with women. They weren't made to have sex with each other. They're going against nature, biology, basic sense."

I mean - think what you want to think. Just know what you sound like to not-crazy people.

And - lastly - the two comedy shows Netflix has gotten ink over lately have been Ricky's Trans Bashing and ... Dave Chapelle's Trans Bashing. Sounds like a business model to me. But please do go on pretending trans people have power and are neo-Maoists who control the media or some shit.

Stop using the ridiculous term TERF, they are just WOMEN, TERF is a made up crazed Tranny term.

R260, then my bottomless self pity gives me nerves of steel, because I actually do care about this cause, and I don’t care about Ricky Gervais, I care about looking the trans movement in the eye and saying I am you, you are me. Trans has reality as androgyny; I am androgynous and therefore I must be trans to the extent that anyone else who is androgynous is trans, if that category refers objectively to a distinct group of people. So I have as much right as any other androgynous person to talk about what really benefits people who are androgynous. To act like not supporting sex change is something that androgynous people legitimately can’t speak up and do is suppressing free speech that directly affects androgynous people themselves. Androgynous people have a right to hear from other androgynous people who believe that medicalized sex changes for children are not in their best interest. And since this movement has become about kids growing up and as stereotypes now being so encoded into science that people can’t even speak about their own bodies, yes, I do care, very much, because I care about my little cousin who is being set apart to transition and I care about the non-science that is taught in schools and I care about the elimination of stereotypes and I care about feminism.

[quote]The problem with asserting that "trans women are not women, they are men" is that it basically mirrors the antigay marriage and anti gay rhetoric of the 80s and 90s. "Gay marriage is a contradiction in terms. Men can't be married. Only a man and a woman can do that."

The problem with this parallel is that it is half the picture purporting to be the full picture.

The rightwing attacks on the groups they hate will always be there and will sound the same. That's a given. But the radical trans ideology and the self-ID laws are recent developments which have clearly come in conflict with some sex-based rights and accommodations.

LBG are perfectly capable of fighting against their traditional rightwing enemy and calling out the dangerous extremism within the alphabet soup. When Marcia is cannonized as the first stone thrower and the attempts to set this record straight are branded as 'hate speech', we're not in Kansas any more.

[quote]The problem with this parallel is that it is half the picture purporting to be the full picture.

So you agree that your anti-trans hysteria neatly (or maybe half-neatly) mirrors the right's anti-gay hysteria.

Cool.

[quote]I care about looking the trans movement in the eye and saying I am you, you are me

And we are all together!

Entitled fetishistic MEN who think being a woman is wearing dresses, cheap wigs, sloppy makeup and threatening “terfs” and “cis” people online, beating 13 year old girls in skateboarding contests….

Thank God they have you to defend men in women's restrooms, r276, and men taking spots and awards away from women. As we all know, men who think they're women are the most marginalized diversity group, more than anyone else. They're just totally powerless, so delicate and fragile that the slightest joke or misgendering causes them to kill themselves.

R282, fetishistic men are classified in the DSM-5 as having a sexualized desire to crossdress; if they identify as trans it’s a misappropriated identity, and they are not in fact trans.

Gender stereotypes relabeled by the medical community as facts have hamstrung feminism, and that is the fault of the medical community for letting that happen, not the fault of the trans community, which later latched onto it. Just because men and women have some mental traits on average does not mean that all men and women have those traits or that a woman who doesn’t have those traits isn’t really a woman. Given how disempowered women have been in some cultures - burned alive, under the control of someone who has full power to beat or kill them, economically disempowered from leaving, or just trapped, devalued, and mentally cut off from the world- the scientific community just deciding to embrace that being a woman is a stereotype is the real betrayal. And the trans kids are victims of this too, lined up for surgery because they aren’t the factory standard Barbie doll.

[quote]and threatening “terfs” and “cis” people online

No problem with that. They all deserve to die in a grease fire.

R285, you really want all cis people to die is a grease fire? Careful, with all those flames you might suffer a bit of smoke inhalation. No one hates you here; we’re talking about rights for androgynous people and you are an androgynous person. You are a person first more than you are a man/woman.

I LOL'd.

A complication.

R284 transgenderism is defined in the DSM too, under gender dysphoria (formerly gender identity disorder, and I think they have renamed it a third time too) but the past several years trans have been saying you don't HAVE to have gender dysphoria to be trans, either. And the autogynephiles (men with paraphilias, i.e. those who get turned on by crossdressing/being percieved as female) re in fact trans, because the commandment from the trans community is "anyone who says they are a woman is one". It all falls under the trans umbrella, which also includes nonbinaries. There's many helpful diagrams available to show how "trans" is a big tent.

Of course, they call the sexual fetish aspect of it "gender euphoria" and use that to explain the boners they get from being in the women's restroom with females present.

They can't have it both ways and say "they're under the umbrella until they do something like expose their hard-ons in a women's spa in front of women and girls". But they try.

R284 what are you talking about in regards to "the scientific community embracing women as a stereotype"? There's an actual scientific definition for what constitutes a woman, despite the trans attempts to pretend like sex is a spectrum now and they're just a different "type" of woman.

If you are referring to the handful of doctors and biologists who twist biology to claim that sex is a spectrum (it isn't) out of some desire to prove the trans claims - built on a foundation of subjective feelings and pseudoscience, then I agree, that is bad.

R290, there was a very widely published study in the news in 2008 that was all about how men supposedly have 10 times as much of the gray matter related to intelligence as women do, while women have 6 times as much white matter, related to emotion and intuition. The study has since been discredited in many ways, including that women use the pre-frontal lobe for some functions that are compartmentalized in men, plus that some parts of the brain have overlap between processing of emotion and cognition. But at the time, the study was printed as saying 20 percent of men “have women’s brains” while women who work have more compartmentalized brains, more like men. It set the standard for the psychological institutions to start saying there was a definite and defined factual basis around gender stereotypes, and that is why sex Ed in US schools now teaches that your real sex organ is your mind. Even though less widely published studies have shown that women’s brains are flexible and can become compartmentalized with no role of testosterone simply by taking on roles that require task efficiency for long enough, no other study has been published as widely or been in as much news media since.

It was clear to me from that and other studies at the time that people with power really wanted women to be disempowered. And bear in mind, the founders of the organizations that funded the studies had their origin in white supremacy and racial studies; they were far, far right. The mainstream news articles didn’t mention that. The trans movement appeared on the one hand to be holding back the tide of a right wing movement they wanted to imprison women. But they embraced the right wing’s own stereotype.

[quote]They can't have it both ways and say "they're under the umbrella until they do something like expose their hard-ons in a women's spa in front of women and girls".

No such thing has ever happened, except in your sick mind.

Ah, the return of "it never happens" regarding things that happen more and more frequently.

Ricky Gervais should be making jokes about himself- How DUMPY and AVERAGE looking he is and how UNfunny he is.

He does make jokes about how dumpy and average he is though - in every special. You are obvious outraged without even bothering to watch.

Just saw an ad on TV telling me that trans kids have no political agenda and the families of trans kids just want to love and accept them. Bizarre that there are so many trans kids nowadays they need to run ads about them on TV.

R291 Thank you, that was interesting.

R292 you are bold to show your ignorance so brazenly. Here is one such incident. The individual says they are trans, but note how the article is careful to say "claims to be trans" because the trans community likes to pretend that their policy of "anyone who says they are a woman is a woman" doesn't open the door for people like this.

The Wi Spa controversy was covered on the Guardian, too, and the "journalist" who was covering it was super pissed when he found out the incident he had been trying to dismiss as a hoax, turned out to be real, backed up with police reports. He reported on it but his articles being over backwards to try to diminish its relevance.

Oh, and if you're interested in other such incidents, this site is keeping track of just the cases in the UK. Of course this is also why the trans are trying to make sure that in news reports these people are referred to as "women" and the police don't keep data on whether someone is trans or not. They want stuff like this to be hidden and ignored.

Are the more, or less, likely to be child molesters than Roman Catholic priests?

My guess is more likely because there are a limited number of priests and there are a lot more trans people which more each day.

Most of the trans child molesters listed above, are straight.

Is there a rich, powerful, global organization who will shield trans people from the law?

I'm not a fan of the trans activists, but that Trans Crime UK link hardly seems like a reliable source. The stories sound fictional.