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Bo Buchanan: "Fraternity Road" producer or Llanview's police commissioner?

Posting for an elderdyke who calls herself Ada's Dish Rag and wonders whether Asa bought Bo's way in as PC. (See r 109 in the old thread.)

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by Anonymousreply 143June 25, 2022 12:34 PM

I have heard it's true that when Christine Jones joined as Sheila Rafferty in 1976, more than one cast member remarked 'She should have been cast as Vikki in the first place.' She was stork like, and had striking features and cheekbones, the very embodiment of the Vikki Agnes created. She could wear long caftans and all the 70's Halston outfits that could never put on the dumpy Erika Slezak.

by Anonymousreply 1April 29, 2022 4:32 PM

Christine was breath of fresh air playing Viki for those six months she subbed for pregnant La Sleastack

I'd only been watching OLTL for a couple of years at that point, but from what I had seen, Viki was a dull-as-dishwater character who looked matronly who served as the last connection to one of core families. I figured they kept her around to maintain that connection to the show's roots, much like AW kept the yawn-inducing Pat Randolph character around for her connection to that show's core family. Perhaps Viki had been an exciting character when the show debuted, but here 12 years later, she was stale and boring. The Pat Randolph character on AW was in similar state, originally exciting, but now stale.

Suddenly, when Christine was playing her, Viki became dynamic and electric. I was fascinated to watch her. I suddenly cared about Viki and what happened to her. Others viewers were feeling the same way as evidenced in some of the letters in the soap magazines.

I assumed the show would keep Christine as Viki and dump La Sleastack. It had certainly been done on other shows in the past. And the threat of that happening was something that kept actresses in line; reluctant to get pregnant and when they did, reluctant to ask for too much maternity leave for fear of being written out permanently or replaced permanently by the substitute .

But show stuck by Sleastack and she returned to the role. However, I think the possibility that she'd lose her job to Christine Jones scared her shitless, as it should have. She upped her game and started giving better performances. Much better performances. The writers began noticing that and gave better storylines to Viki.

Within a few years, Viki became the center of the show. That's something that would have never happened if La Sleastack hadn't upped her game as a result of Christine Jones doing such a good job as her sub.

by Anonymousreply 2April 29, 2022 5:30 PM

In the 1989 uploads, we're now up to the baby swap having been revealed, on 9/11/89, no less.

by Anonymousreply 3April 29, 2022 6:24 PM

Fraternity Road?

by Anonymousreply 4April 29, 2022 7:57 PM

Thanks, OP!

So I hopped over to some 1993 uploads and the show is on fire! This is my favorite era of the show. I'm enjoying it better than I did the 1989 uploads (though I do miss Gabrielle and Andrea Evans' version of Tina).

Mia Korf's Blair is a revelation. Too bad she's on her way out. She lit Asa up in front of the whole town and stupidly admitted to fucking Max on her wedding dress right before marrying Asa. So good! Good and stupid -- that's my Blair, no matter who plays her. Poor thang.

Jimmy DePaiva is still doing his Shouty McYellerson routine. Max is such a douche. He's a hot douche, but I always forget that when he starts acting self righteous. Don't understand him and Luna, but it's a good thing. Max always shits on my favorite female characters, so I'm glad he's with someone I don't care about. I like Elaine Princi's restrained version of Dorian. She's very good. Marty is drinking and slutting around town. Kevin, Todd, Powell, and Zack leer at her from their seats at Rodis. Lots of tension.

Bo and Nora are now flirting and I'm unclear on what he's up to now; that's why I asked the OP to start this thread. Don't know whether he's still producing soaps or if he is on the force yet. He was in the police station in the December 1992 episode I watched, but I got the impression he didn't work there yet.

Just trying to get a timeline of how Bo jumped from a TV producer to the commander of Llanview's police force.

by Anonymousreply 5April 29, 2022 8:26 PM

Christine Jones received more fan mail when she was Viki than Miss Slee received.

by Anonymousreply 6April 29, 2022 8:50 PM

R5- I am now of the opposite viewpoint- despite the show looking amazing and the Marty Saybrooke/Alex stories being really excellent, I find this Gottlieb era to be utterly boring bullshit. It's just so stodgy and boring. And this is coming from a huge Y&R fan- only other soap I really watched other than OLTL. I am so glad that you are digging Mia Korf- I LOVED her. People think she was horrible, but I really liked her then and now. And Nora was the only other great part of Gottlieb's tenure. Nora, Blair, Alex/Carlo, Marty- Pretty much it. And I did like Andrew. It was refreshing to have a minister as a main character- I really liked Andrew.

I have had to admit to myself that I am a fan of the trashtastic and brightly lit Rauch era- by a mile. (and the 85-88 Rauch was actually quite a damn good show)

And check out James DePaiva in the Gabrielle/Baby Switch storyline episode that was uploaded yesterday (from 9/11/89) he was an absolutelyhorrendous actor. Nearly Ron Moss bad. That episode in particular- he was godawful. Not a fan of his wife either.

by Anonymousreply 7April 29, 2022 8:51 PM

And this Christine Jones fan troll cracks me the hell up.

I believe its the Kathy Glass Troll/Slezak is a Ham Troll/I finger myself to Christine Jones troll.

Same bitch.

by Anonymousreply 8April 29, 2022 8:52 PM

I finger myself to Sleestack! Said no one ever. That bulldog face. At least Katherine Glass and all of her fan mail made her #1 in the polls! A feat that has never been broken.

by Anonymousreply 9April 29, 2022 9:05 PM

R9- Yes- and I also suspect you are that SON loon as well. How may IP addresses do you have?

Post a picture of Schoche Marin- please.

by Anonymousreply 10April 29, 2022 9:13 PM

I watched that episode yesterday, R7. Watching Gabrielle as she was pummeled by Michael Grande was heartbreaking, but so, so real. Do they do stuff like that on soaps today? Doubtful. They're too busy catering to social media warriors and fanbases. Michael beat her mercilessly. It was a lot to digest, but so mesmerizing.

I've never liked Max as a character. He's sleazy to me, but can be entertaining. I like Kassie DePaiva a lot. I think her Blair is an archetype that I recognize and enjoy. She's no master thespian, but she always had the ability to make me feel for her character. I can't say the same for her real-life husband.

And yes, Mia Korf is wonderful! People think she was bad? Really? I couldn't take my eyes off her. She's stunning and dynamic. She totally fills the screen no matter who she's up against. I love Kassie, but if Mia had remained Blair, I would have been perfectly satisfied.

Glad you're enjoying the 1989 episodes. They're definitely their own thing. There was just too much Sarah for me. I don't care about what happens to her, and since she ate so much of the show during that time, I find myself either rolling my eyes or fast-forwarding. Her sister, Megan, is better. But I haven't really connected with her. That's bad since she's set to take the baton in the Gordon Girls' relay now that Sarah is being rested.

by Anonymousreply 11April 29, 2022 9:15 PM

[quote]I also suspect you are that SON loon as well.

Yes, this loon contains legions.

by Anonymousreply 12April 29, 2022 9:19 PM

How did Bo go from TV producer to law enforcement? Talk about a man of all trades and a master of none!

by Anonymousreply 13April 29, 2022 9:44 PM

[quote]And this Christine Jones fan troll cracks me the hell up.

I'm embarrassed to admit that the teen fan mail and Toyota Tercel, get me every time. It's funny to me because it so absurd. I saw Kathy Glass on The Doctors, how was she connecting with teens so much?

by Anonymousreply 14April 29, 2022 10:44 PM

No- Lil and the Tercel and her termination by an intern in the parking garage gives me life. Every. time.


the Kathy Glass troll goes back many years. I believe the SON Loon is one of many.

The original used that hilarious "largest female fanmail ever accumulated in the ABC Daypart" It was clear that he/she was someone who was at least 70 with a great sense of humor.

by Anonymousreply 15April 29, 2022 10:50 PM

I love Mia’s Blair. She had this underlying mischievousness that worked for her character. Dorian knew that Blair was trying to undermine her and Blair acted coy about it. But she really wanted to shout “yes bitch I’m gunning for you.” Or when Tina was all riled up about Blair breaking up her and Cain.

When Kassie was introduced, Southern Blair was surrounded by boy toys in Miami. Stupid, stupid and stupid. That’s not who Blair was. And it’s why Southern Blair was often an afterthought in her own storylines throughout her 18 year run.

Fiona Hutchinson should’ve been nominated for an Emmy for the baby switch storyline. She is incredible. Thankfully she got her just due on Guiding Light.

by Anonymousreply 16April 30, 2022 4:39 AM

Kassie DePaiva got 20 years on a soap largely because she got paired with Roger Howarth at the height of his soapdom. I like her Blair. But I found Asian Blair endlessly interesting. The fact that she was a bad girl going up against heavyweights made her fascinating to a young gayling like me.

by Anonymousreply 17April 30, 2022 4:46 AM

Was Mia's Blair one of "the Cramer women," or did that start with Kassie?

by Anonymousreply 18April 30, 2022 5:00 AM

Blair was always at war with Dorian until Depaiva. It wasn't until some plot that required Dorian helping Blair in one of her schemes that they became allies. And then became close.

by Anonymousreply 19April 30, 2022 5:04 AM

Slee was such a lazy actress. She never wanted to work and always whined about needing a vacation.

by Anonymousreply 20April 30, 2022 1:49 PM

Mia Korf was fine as Blair. She should never have been canned but Gottlieb had some bug up her twat and fired her.

by Anonymousreply 21April 30, 2022 3:33 PM

I thought Slee tried to do a good job, but after Jones subbed for her, the Specter of Christine lingered. CJ looked like she could have on the cover of Cosmo, while poor, downtrodden Erika was strictly Modern Maturity.

by Anonymousreply 22April 30, 2022 3:55 PM

Didn't Bo use his military background to qualify for his Police Chief role? I guess the producers wanted to give him a role in Llanview other than rich handsome playboy businessman.

by Anonymousreply 23April 30, 2022 7:43 PM

The SON loon has at least 4 account, possibly more.

One is dedicated to a persona insisting that she, Scoche Marin, is mere minutes away from her first airdate as the new Katharine Chancellor.

The other three seem to talk about any variation of the following topics:

- Snatches being eaten

- Foot fetishes, but without having an understanding of how one works

- Daytime actresses who have had a DUI

- Daytime actresses who clogged the studio toilets

- Any number of posters on SON, most of who we do not know. He's now mentioning a woman who posts at SON, and is the partner of a former Digest columnist. She is in the advance stages of a chronic disease/neurological issue, and he's harassing her. He's fucking around, and he is very much about to find out.

by Anonymousreply 24April 30, 2022 7:51 PM

R23, I just watched a January 1993 episode where Max talked Bo into buying the radio station Luna worked at. Max referred to Bo as a businessman.

As late as 1989 Rafe Garretson was the chief of the LPD. I did notice, however, that during the hunt for Michael Grande, officers referred to Rafe as "Captain." Commissioner, Bo's title, is higher in rank.

by Anonymousreply 25April 30, 2022 8:08 PM

Marty is in spectacular free-fall in these January 1993 episodes. She just tried to break up Cassie and Andrew's wedding. Luckily, Viki stepped in. Had no idea she was so nuts before her rape-redemption arc.

She's erratic and drunk most of the time. Ryan Phillipe's main role is to shake his finger at her.

by Anonymousreply 26April 30, 2022 11:21 PM

That's what made her story so compelling. When something terrible happened to her no one could believe her. She was an awful mess that even spread a horrible rumor that set off a bad series of events in the whole town. Fantastic dialogue from the trial M:"I was not responsible for Sarah's death. I was nowhere near that accident." N:"No you weren't. But you still lied about it. Doesn't that say something Miss Saybrooke? That even when you're innocent, your first impulse is to lie?" M:"But when no one believes you no matter what you say.."N;"Its like the little boy that cried wolf" M:"Yes" N:"Or rape?"

by Anonymousreply 27April 30, 2022 11:38 PM

Yep, R27. Definitely compelling. Susan Haskell is killing this. When Marty visited Cassie before the wedding, I was afraid for Cassie because of Marty's single-minded intensity. She's in the middle of a nervous breakdown and things will only get worse with the upcoming rape storyline.

by Anonymousreply 28April 30, 2022 11:43 PM

Weren't Marty and Todd fucking before the rape?

by Anonymousreply 29May 1, 2022 2:28 AM

R29 yes. Complicated things more for her. Marty was very promiscuous when she was eaped.

by Anonymousreply 30May 1, 2022 2:30 AM

Just saw that episode. After they slept together, Marty asked Todd to stay a while; she obviously didn't want to be alone. Todd told her to "comb her hair or something," and left. Marty freaked because she's losing hair due to lupus. She did comb her hair, losing strands in the brush. She screamed and broke the mirror when she saw the hair loss.

by Anonymousreply 31May 1, 2022 9:00 AM

Everyone is rightfully ignoring that nutcase KooKoosadora over at SON. What a fucken loon!!!

by Anonymousreply 32May 1, 2022 5:03 PM

I had no idea Anna Holbrook (Sharlene Frame Hudson, Another World) was on One Life to Live! Her character, Lindsay, is sniffing around a depressed Clint, who is in the middle of losing Viki to Sloan Carpenter in these February 1993 episodes. Viki's acting snippy with Lindsay, but she's got some nerve, especially since she's been sneaking around Llanview getting her groove back with the General!

Watching Erika attempt to play passion is kinda funny. She's all aflutter. She confessed to Tina that she's "absolutely obsessed" with Sloan. Meanwhile, she still looks and acts like her same matronly, icy self. I guess she's melting on the inside.

I love all these characters that seem lost to history -- Leann, Jason Webb, Cain Rogan, etc. None lasted that long, but they really added to the canvas. They made Llanview seem real.

by Anonymousreply 33May 2, 2022 1:18 PM

What I never understood about Viki's DID is that the cure is integration. After she was integrated why didn't we see more of Niki come out from time to time.

by Anonymousreply 34May 2, 2022 1:44 PM

Miss Sleestack was the MOST best actresses of them all!!!

by Anonymousreply 35May 2, 2022 4:11 PM

Christine Jones would have 20 Emmys had she continued as Victoria.

by Anonymousreply 36May 2, 2022 5:17 PM

ES is the MS of Daytime. SL was the GC, but then she won.

by Anonymousreply 37May 2, 2022 6:27 PM

Jerry ver Dorn had died.

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by Anonymousreply 38May 2, 2022 10:40 PM

I was never a big fan of Clint Ritchie's Clint, but it's obvious that TPTB threw him under the bus to give Viki an excuse to run to Sloan. Suddenly Clint is violent and out of control (in these February 1993 episodes?) Since when? Unless I missed something, that seems highly out of character. Why couldn't the couple have simply grown apart, as was apparent, anyway?

by Anonymousreply 39May 4, 2022 9:22 PM

Agreed Ada's Dish Rag. It was a real kick in the cunt what Malone did to Clint's character.

I am like a broken record, but this Gottlieb era leaves alot to be desired in many ways.

And I stand by- it is STODGY and BORING. (Most of it)

Susan Haskell and Hilary B Smith (And Tonja Walker) were the saving graces.. And I actually never minded Susan Batten as Luna. And of course Andrew.

The Todd phenomenon meant nothing to me one way or the other- I never got this guy's appeal.

by Anonymousreply 40May 4, 2022 9:27 PM

Ritchie wasn’t pleased by Clint’s about face either. He felt that a newspaper man would not be the homophobe suddenly turned out to be.

I did not care for Jerry verDorn’s take on Clint. The show had the habit of recasting with names that didn’t make sense. He could’ve been a new character.

by Anonymousreply 41May 4, 2022 9:51 PM

R40, I like that we can have conversations where we can agree to disagree about certain things. I'm raising through this era at a very fast clip because I'm enjoying it so much. Meanwhile, I pretty much abandoned the 1989 episodes I started watching a couple of months back because they'd become a chore. That period did have its bright spots, of course. Just not enough to hold my interest for very long.

Jerry totally should have been a new character, R41. He was Clint in name only. I did, however, enjoy watching him camp it up after so many years of him playing Ross, who only got to raise his voice when he was yelling at his cuckolding young wife.

That reminds me of my issue with Blake: I actually liked Liz Keifer, but she's another actor I believe was wrong for the role. She was very warm, while Stringfield's Blake was ice-cold. I accepted Keifer, though, because I'd only been watching the show about a year when she took over. Now re-watching, I realize that Blake really lost something with the recast. She transformed from a driven business woman in charge of her life into Ross's wife, a woman who couldn't control her sexual urges (dalliances with Rick and Ben) and a mommy who wrote romances on the side.

Of course those changes weren't Keifer's fault; yet I don't believe the character would have taken that route had Stringfield continued in the role. In fact, I doubt Blake/Ross would have even made it down the aisle, much less become a tentpole couple.

Guiding Light is off topic in this thread, so I'll end by saying: I'm surprised by how much I like Karen Witter's Tina. It amuses me to watch her attempts to rein in Cain. It's like Tina is playing the Cord role during this era.

by Anonymousreply 42May 4, 2022 10:09 PM


*racing not raising

by Anonymousreply 43May 4, 2022 10:11 PM

I'm watching episodes from 1998 and the writers turned Kevin Buchanan into a real ass. I find myself rooting for Barbara Graham to kill Kevin.

by Anonymousreply 44May 4, 2022 10:43 PM

[quote] Ritchie wasn’t pleased by Clint’s about face either. He felt that a newspaper man would not be the homophobe suddenly turned out to be.

He isn't wrong and I think it would have been very powerful if cowboy Clint had been accepting of homosexuals.

by Anonymousreply 45May 5, 2022 12:37 AM

College professor here. On Monday, I had a student tell me that she has DiD and couldn't do her presentation because the alter there with with hadn't been in my class this semester.

All I could think of was Slee.

by Anonymousreply 46May 5, 2022 4:01 AM

R46 I think the decline of soaps is partly responsible for things, today. When people had soaps they could live out their fantasies vicariously now they have to make life their own reality show.

by Anonymousreply 47May 5, 2022 4:16 AM

Victoria Sleestack would not like that at Tall!

by Anonymousreply 48May 5, 2022 4:37 AM

I'm surprised John Loprieno isn't mentioned more when the worst actors are discussed. Probably because of the hotness. He's really, really, really bad in these 1993 episodes. Not surprised to see he's now teaching acting. He, along with Drake Hogestyn and Ronn Moss, could have started their own acting school: The Heavy Breathing, Heaving Chests, and Half-Opened Shirts Academy for Dramatic Arts.

by Anonymousreply 49May 11, 2022 12:38 PM

Ada Hobson has the stinkiest snatch.

by Anonymousreply 50May 11, 2022 12:53 PM

You loved my lady lunch!

by Anonymousreply 51May 11, 2022 12:56 PM

Nothing against John L., but you kinda have to wonder why Tina kept being drawn to Cord. Okay, aside from his body.

by Anonymousreply 52May 11, 2022 12:59 PM

That was from me, Aunt Lez. And if you must attack me, please be sure to do so on the P&G threads were such attacks will be more appreciated.

Back to OLTL: Alex Olanov spent more time looking for a partner than actually committing any good scams/thefts. She would have been more successful if she'd come up with new plans instead of gloming on to men.

by Anonymousreply 53May 11, 2022 12:59 PM

R2 , Viki was a dull-as-dishwater character who looked matronly That was the character. She was supposed to be dowdy, as opposed to flashy Niki Smith. Jill Spencer played her the same way, but could glam it up as Daisy on AMC.

by Anonymousreply 54May 11, 2022 1:05 PM

Even I can appreciate the sight of John Loprieno in a speedo, R52. THAT is the ONLY reason Tina suffered under his tantrums and haranguing as long as she did. That over-stuffed speedo, alongside the Buchanan name and money. Cord was a real fucking downer; he spent most of their relationship lecturing her about changing her ways.

I actually like Karen Witter's Tina with Cain, but the show almost turned her into Cord to make it work. Now she's the one berating Cain about becoming a better person.

by Anonymousreply 55May 11, 2022 1:08 PM

To answer your question, no. No had turned his back on the Buchanan bucks and made his own millions, mainly in amusement parks, broadcasting and records. When the police commissioner was caught steeling they asked Bo to take over on the theory he’d never steel because he was already had lotsa money. Supposedly he was going to be a glorified pencil pusher, but he insisted on being a real hands on police officer, even though totally unqualified beyond a stint in Nam ad an MP. It was one of those soap devices where a character suddenly had skills and experience that appeared out of thin air.

by Anonymousreply 56May 11, 2022 1:16 PM

Hey Victoria Fuckton - go the fuck away! Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 57May 11, 2022 1:26 PM

Thanks, R56, for the history lesson.

Anyone remember how Rafe Garrisson left the show? If he was still alive, he should have gone after Bo for stealing the job that was rightfully his. Rafe put in the time and solved all the crimes! Yet Bo got the cushy gig?

by Anonymousreply 58May 11, 2022 1:43 PM

The old witch Strassman is going off about Paul Rauch. Is there anyone she didn’t clash with?

by Anonymousreply 59May 11, 2022 2:17 PM

Anyone watching the latest 1989 episodes and getting really sick of how Viki's treating Clint? Look, either hook up with Roger or don't. I will say that this scenario is less contrived than how she got together with Sloan.

by Anonymousreply 60May 12, 2022 12:28 AM

I love how the internet is allowing us to watch various periods at the same time. It's The One Life to Live Multiverse. It's chaos!

by Anonymousreply 61May 12, 2022 10:31 AM

Watching these old episodes are really reminding me of why I got hooked when I was young. I almost forgot how often characters simply left town when their storylines came to their natural conclusions. In the four months beginning 1993, so far, Blair and Leann have left town. We all know that Blair will return, but when she left, it was with little fanfare and felt right after her divorce from Asa. Especially since, other than Cassie, she had not a friend left in town.

In the last twenty years, it seems that soap writers would rather kill off people than allow them to take a breather elsewhere. And that's only because they usually plan on bringing them back from the dead.

by Anonymousreply 62May 12, 2022 3:37 PM

Florencia Lozano (Tea Delgado) was interviewed on The Locher Room today.

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by Anonymousreply 63May 13, 2022 11:03 PM

Tea was a character I only learned to like with Trevor St. Jon's Todd/Victor.

by Anonymousreply 64May 13, 2022 11:09 PM

If you ever wondered whatever happened to the actor who played Jamie Sanders (Mark Philpot)

Video update below

and you will be surprised - but I only say that because he played such an EVIL & NASTY character

But that is why they call it acting

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by Anonymousreply 65May 17, 2022 2:05 PM

Since this is about Robert S Woods Bo on OLTL, what's the real scoop on why he left OLTL in 1086 to play Paul on Days of Our Lives?

I mean he literally packed up and moved to the other side of the country to do DAYS from 1986-1987

I was watching old DAYS episodes from that time and he has a dramatic wife named Barbara who died, and they were definitely chem testing Woods with Kimberly Brady and then Genie Francis ' Diana Colviille

1987 is weird on DAYS, you have Bob Woods, Genie Francis and Jane Elliot as Angelica Devereaux all on the show and in front burner stories, all ABC soap stars

by Anonymousreply 66May 17, 2022 2:20 PM

[quote] Since this is about Robert S Woods Bo on OLTL, what's the real scoop on why he left OLTL in 1086 to play Paul on Days of Our Lives? I mean he literally packed up and moved to the other side of the country to do DAYS from 1986-1987

He left OLTL NOT to join Days, but to break into Primetime & Film. But when you move to L.A. you literally sit by the phone and wait. The role of Paul Stewart on "Days of our Lives" dropped in his lap, and they promised him "outs" for pilot season and any guest spots

So he could either continue to sit by the phone, or do "Days", make money and still pursue pilot season.

He did one pilot, which nowhere, couldn't land many guest spots and his year on Days was joining phoning in five lines a week. When OLTL came calling after his one year in L.A., , he jumped at the chance to go back. Because at least he would get to act, instead of sitting by the phone and going to endless auditions.

by Anonymousreply 67May 17, 2022 2:27 PM

R65! I was going to post that today!! Over the years the rumor was that he died of AIDS in the 80's.. I had heard this in numeous places.

So thrilled to see him alive and he aged really well!!!! Still had great hair too!

by Anonymousreply 68May 17, 2022 2:41 PM

What did Lois Kibbee think of her grandson on the show being a big ole homo in real life? She must have looked over the tops of her glasses at him and gave him The Look.

by Anonymousreply 69May 17, 2022 9:39 PM

[quote] What did Lois Kibbee think of her grandson on the show being a big ole homo in real life?

Well her grand daughter was played by Marcia Cross

by Anonymousreply 70May 17, 2022 10:45 PM

R69 Didn't she come from The Edge of Night? Wasn't it like the gayest cast next to Dark Shadows?

by Anonymousreply 71May 17, 2022 11:10 PM

Lois was a lezzy herself.

by Anonymousreply 72May 17, 2022 11:32 PM

Miss Victoria Sleestack did not like the gays at tall.

by Anonymousreply 73May 19, 2022 4:50 AM

Dear Vee - please tell KooKooSadora to shut the fuck up! Thanks!

by Anonymousreply 74May 19, 2022 6:03 AM

The story I heard was that Woodsey had a lot of mental issues from his time in ‘Nam and he crapoed up his marriage. His wife divorced him and moved to California. Woodsy got his head together and went to LA to try to win back his ex wife, which he did. They got remarried haddd va a son and lived happily ever after.

by Anonymousreply 75May 20, 2022 3:01 AM

WHERE ARE YOU Finding these old episodes?

by Anonymousreply 76May 20, 2022 4:24 AM

They've started uploading a few episodes from 1974

by Anonymousreply 77May 20, 2022 4:26 AM

This is your resident soap-loving elderdyke with a pressing message: "Reverend Rutledge's window" (the last Midwestern soaps thread) is now subscriber only. I've lifted my graying head and leaned against my teetering cane to beg someone to have mercy on fans of the Midwestern soaps and begin another one. I'm watching Guiding Light and want to rage into the cavernous asshole of this site about it.

Or maybe not?

A couple of weeks ago someone suggested we have one all-encompassing thread for cancelled soaps. What do y'all think?

I know many of you are separatists. I get it. The worlds aren't always conducive to shared discussion. Yet it's grown quieter lately. Not many of us discussing these shows anymore. The silent generation is dead, the Boomers are on their last legs, and we Gen Xers appear to be the last to want to share memories.

by Anonymousreply 78June 5, 2022 5:11 PM

Fuck off, Ada! Take fucken Lez Matthews and the fucken Donnas with you.

by Anonymousreply 79June 5, 2022 7:48 PM

I had to ask, R79. I know the soaps don't mix, but I had to ask.

And now back to our regularly scheduled Llanview discussion!

by Anonymousreply 80June 5, 2022 10:11 PM

I'm watching OLTL 1993. Marty's rape trial is eating the show, but I love it.

Now I understand why Anna Holbrook's character Lindsay didn't stick around. Clint Ritchie's tractor ran over him, putting him out of work for nearly six months. I wonder what would have become of her if not for that freak accident.

by Anonymousreply 81June 6, 2022 10:38 PM

Linda Gottlieb was a disaster.

by Anonymousreply 82June 7, 2022 12:50 AM

In favor of consolidating old soap threads.

Unfortunately the characters aren’t doing anything new so we were really talking about the actors who all intersect among defunct soap operas.

by Anonymousreply 83June 7, 2022 3:36 AM

R80 Has anyone made a new thread, if not I will. Without the P&G soaps Agnes Nixon would have never been given the opportunity to create Llanview.

by Anonymousreply 84June 7, 2022 3:40 AM

Here ya go, R84.

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by Anonymousreply 85June 7, 2022 7:56 AM

Back in the early 2000s when I first discovered DL, there was indeed one giant soap thread each month. All the soaps were discussed there. Current shows as well as cancelled shows. Unfortunately, the thread was always completely dominated by OLTL discussion. GH had a pretty strong following too. As did Days.

As a result, comments about other shows often got overlooked and/or drowned out That's why people started creating threads for the individual shows. So they could have a place to discuss their shows and not be drowned out by the OLTL discussion.

I'm very much in favor of letting each individual show have their own thread.

If you want to experiment and create one giant soap thread, that's fine. I'll be happy to participate in that. However, I suspect you'll find the same thing happening as did 20 years ago -- one or two shows will dominate and people will create threads about individual shows.

by Anonymousreply 86June 7, 2022 5:07 PM

[quote]A couple of weeks ago someone suggested we have one all-encompassing thread for cancelled soaps. What do y'all think?

Oh, God, no. I hated the ABC soaps, with the infrequent exception of OLTL. I bought another VCR to watch Billy Douglas. And the death of Meghan didn't suck. And the run-up to the "Will Rappaport escapes train taking him to Statesville Prison" storyline, well, that was worth watching, until it wasn't.

But I have no desire to read about AMC or GH. Or the rest of OLTL.

by Anonymousreply 87June 7, 2022 10:49 PM

I think we should do a thread on legendary daytime feuds

by Anonymousreply 88June 7, 2022 11:10 PM

R87, I videotaped the entire Billy Douglas storyline in 1992-93. Every day. I then bought a 2nd VCR to edit it to include just his story, not the entire show.

I remember one or both breaking at the conclusion of the story where Billy faces off with the town during the showing of the AIDS quilt. I was so upset I couldn’t record this. I’d carried it to a VCR repair shop, but it wasn’t ready in time. Thank God for YouTube.

I had (and still have) no life.

by Anonymousreply 89June 8, 2022 12:48 AM


by Anonymousreply 90June 8, 2022 2:39 AM

What are the legendary feuds?

Ellen Holly vs Erika Slezak

Lucci vs Gellar

Genie vs Tony

Dee vs any attractive woman on DOOL

Zenk vs Schultz

Mary Stuart vs Barbara Monte Britt

by Anonymousreply 91June 8, 2022 10:01 AM

- Robert Kelker-Kelly vs His Leading Ladies

- Eric Braeden vs Peter Bergman

- Victoria Rowell vs Y&R

by Anonymousreply 92June 8, 2022 10:13 AM

R91 Kate Collins vs James Kiberd on AMC. It got very ugly between them, especially toward the end of their pairing together on the show.

by Anonymousreply 93June 8, 2022 10:14 AM

Scoche Marin (NuKay, Y&R) vs. Jess Walton (Jill, Y&R)

by Anonymousreply 94June 8, 2022 10:45 AM

Hunter Tylo vs Kimberlin Brown

Kim Zimmer vs Beth Ehlers

Brenda vs The Bells

Melissa Reeves vs Jason Brooks zipper

by Anonymousreply 95June 8, 2022 10:45 AM

Seaforth Hayes vs Benet

Audrey Peters vs Toni Bua

Maeve McGuire vs Don May

Rauch v Reinholt

Zimmer vs Forbes

by Anonymousreply 96June 8, 2022 11:57 AM

Tony Geary, NLG, Mo Bernard, Jane Elliot versus Ron Carlivati . There were two others that have never been named, but it was those 6 actors (4 mentioned) who went to ABC to get him fired from GH.

by Anonymousreply 97June 8, 2022 12:28 PM

I get why MO would be mad at RC but why were the others?

by Anonymousreply 98June 8, 2022 12:35 PM

They didn't like Ron's approach to the show, which is understandable. And, as everyone knows, they all think they're doing Shakespeare over at GH.

by Anonymousreply 99June 8, 2022 12:44 PM

I can't say I blame them, R97. Carlivati made One Life to Live's last years unwatchable for me at times. The aspects he chose to concentrate on were ... interesting. The only thing Ron's and I agreed on was his seeming hatred for John McBain. The contest for this man's dick was bewildering. By the time they dragged poor Blair into it -- via some pity-marriage -- I threw up my fucking hands.

The only storyline Ron did well, IMO, was the Kyle/Fish story. He took his time. Built them up. I probably would have liked them better if they hadn't been surrounded by the Gigi/Rex/Stacy vortex. Though, Kim Andrews was awesome! Oh, and I liked Schuyler/Rachel, but that didn't last at all.

I will admit to enjoying some of the show's last year. After it was canceled and they had nothing to lose, Carlivati and his team went bonkers in the best way.

Don't FUCK with me, fellas! I'm typing this from an Undisclosed Location!

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by Anonymousreply 100June 18, 2022 11:49 AM

Fuck off Ada. You’re always on the rag.

by Anonymousreply 101June 18, 2022 12:22 PM

I'm menopause-ing right the fuck now, as I type.

I dust with rags; I don't stuff 'em down my crotch!

by Anonymousreply 102June 18, 2022 12:25 PM

Miss Victoria Sleestack doesn’t like this language AT TALL!

by Anonymousreply 103June 18, 2022 3:20 PM

Thanks, R100, for that link. It was fun watching OLTL make fun of OLTL. It was a very silly episode, but it reminded me how much I loved and miss OLTL.

by Anonymousreply 104June 18, 2022 10:58 PM

Glad you enjoyed it, R104. Of the three soaps closest to my heart, One Life to Live always made me laugh the most.

by Anonymousreply 105June 18, 2022 11:26 PM

R100 That actually aired on my birthday, that year. Since that episode was basically a love letter to the fans, I really felt Vikki and Co. were giving me one last birthday gift. I felt just like Roxy. I remember crying for a few hours when the final tv episode aired. Just the thought of not visiting Llanview everyday, as I had basically done since before leaving the womb, was extremely depressing. It felt like a close friend had died.

by Anonymousreply 106June 19, 2022 12:18 AM

*HUGS* R106.

I miss our friends in Llanview something awful. I like the idea of Worlds Without End. I pretend they're still living life, creating more stories. We just can't watch anymore.

I love that shortened it's WWE. Soaps and wrestling have more in common than most people would think, since wrestling is known for its outlandish storylines, as well.

by Anonymousreply 107June 19, 2022 10:48 AM

Ada is polluting this thread. Ugh!

by Anonymousreply 108June 19, 2022 11:00 AM

Smooches, doll!

I'm allowed to love Llanview AND the Midwestern soaps all at the same time.

I'm complex.

by Anonymousreply 109June 19, 2022 11:07 AM

r108, Ada is who asked me to start this thread.

by Anonymousreply 110June 19, 2022 11:14 AM

R107 That is exactly how I feel about all the cancelled soaps, we might not be able to watch anymore but the characters are still alive and living their lives in Llanview, Pine Valley, Springfield, Oakdale, etc...

by Anonymousreply 111June 19, 2022 3:26 PM

Just stopped in to share a scene from an episode I watched today that literally made me laugh harder than I have in years. Yes. Literally. (For the impatient among you, the good stuff starts at about 3:50).

Wortham Krimmer knew One Life to Live would be basking in Emmy gold the following year. I think dude decided this was his chance. This was THE scene. And he was right.

Because this will be all I'll ever remember him for.

I'd like to apologize to John Loprieno, Drake Hogestyn, Ronn Moss, James DePaiva, and a host of other pretty hair models I have openly disparaged in the past.

Dear Mr. Krimmer: Come get your award. You paid the cost to be the boss, sir. You friggin' won, son!

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by Anonymousreply 112June 22, 2022 1:50 AM

He was such a good strong actor, from what I remember, but after awhile he was like Dr. Larry, he was just around, but didn't actually do much.

by Anonymousreply 113June 22, 2022 1:57 AM

A good interview with Robert Krimmer from 2008.

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by Anonymousreply 114June 22, 2022 2:12 AM

His former co-star is a life coach now. She was the only Cassie I was familiar with. I did like her coupling with Kevin before she was written off and Kevin was subsequently recast.

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by Anonymousreply 115June 22, 2022 4:58 AM

I remember when Cusi Cram played Cassie. Holly Gagnier was more fun -- she had spirit and came alive on camera. Laura Bonarrigo was beautiful, but Cassie was written as a victim and lost all her spunk. She was more fun when she was standing up to Dorian than when she was just another soap opera heroine and one of the weak "Cramer girls."

by Anonymousreply 116June 22, 2022 11:27 AM

Laura's Cassie was the definition of Frau.

I spent several episodes of yesterday's OLTL-watch listening to her harangue Dorian. I did enjoy the slap, though. Dorian needs a good slap every once in a while.

by Anonymousreply 117June 22, 2022 1:33 PM

What in God’s name was that shit at R112? Was that acting by Bob Krimmer? And he wondered why he had to leave acting and go into law. He probably used that shit as his acting reel. No wonder that our queen Miss Victoria Sleestack said that she did not particularly like the Gottlieb era and that Linda Gottlieb was not good for the show.

by Anonymousreply 118June 22, 2022 4:48 PM

Re-watching this era of OLTL, R118, I'm not surprised by Krimmer's performance. Some of the worst male actors of the show's history converged in 1993. That's what made Roger Howarth's ascendancy so damned easy. He really had very little competition. Who was there to stop him?

- Casper van Dien - Wortham Krimmer - John Loprieno - Nathan Purdee - David Ledingham - Christopher Douglas

None of these were acting powerhouses.

James DePaiva was acceptable, except when he was yelling -- which was 75% of the time. Ugh. Christopher Cousins (Cain Rogan) was a good actor, but he never amounted to more than supporting or a side character. Robert Woods had aged out of the heartthrob role by this time. I love Phil Carey's Asa, but the only reason I accepted his obviously reading from cue cards is because I find the old coot to be so damn funny.

The women carried this show during this period. For real. The guys were just eye candy. Nothing wrong with that.

by Anonymousreply 119June 22, 2022 9:32 PM

Perhaps Krimmer wasn’t good in that scene, but he was excellent in the Billy Douglas storyline.

I thought Ryan Philippe was also very good considering this was his first role and it was a hot topic at the time.

Erika didn’t play a big role in any of this which is why I imagine she wasn’t a big fan of Gottlieb’s. I was. It’s hard to believe this aired 30 years ago this week.

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by Anonymousreply 120June 22, 2022 9:45 PM

[quote]Erika didn’t play a big role in any of this which is why I imagine she wasn’t a big fan of Gottlieb’s. I was.

She could have had a big role in it if the network had gone with the original choice and let Joey Buchanan be the gay teen.

by Anonymousreply 121June 22, 2022 9:51 PM

True, R121. Good point.

by Anonymousreply 122June 22, 2022 10:07 PM

If I were a network executive in the 90s, I probably wouldn't have had the courage to let the writers make Joey gay or Kevin a rapist. Those would have been bold choices in the 90s, especially for two legacy characters. Todd worked because Howarth was so good. And Billy Douglas worked because Ryan was good, but he was expendable. I'm not sure if the Kevin and Joey actors could have pulled those stories off.

by Anonymousreply 123June 22, 2022 10:13 PM

Chris McKenna played Joey at that time. He’s worked steadily ever since. Kirk Geiger hasn’t had as much success, but continues to act.

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by Anonymousreply 124June 22, 2022 10:22 PM

Dan Gauthier was an amazing actor and a great Kevin - should have had a contract role for years.

He's now giving acting classes in the desert.

by Anonymousreply 125June 23, 2022 1:19 AM

They all go into ‘teaching’ acting when they can’t get a job. Who’d listen to them? You can’t get a job acting so now you’re telling me how to act??? Huh?

by Anonymousreply 126June 23, 2022 2:14 AM

R125- HE WAS FUCKING AWESOME... One of my favorite actors on the show- ever.

And my god, not only do I find Gottlieb's "Afterschool special" era SO boring and overrated (other than the beautiful production values) but the secondary and MALE CHARACTERS were utter duds.

Ada's list above NAILED it. Kicked me right in the cunt.

Fucking SUEDE? What a dork. I am sorry to say I thought Nathan Purdee was a horrific actor as well. James DePaiva was utterly terrible. Fuck, even the guy who played Powell Lord was atrocious.

I will say I always enjoyed Wortham Krimmer and Phil Carey is my favorite actor on OLTL of all time. Carey was supremely underrated and my favorite scenes were when Asa was angry- which was always. And I LOVED his chemistry with Andrea Evans- especially when Asa hated Tina. Absolutely hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 127June 23, 2022 2:17 AM

Didn’t DePaiva throw a chair at Gottlieb? The cast hated her.

by Anonymousreply 128June 23, 2022 10:02 AM

R127, Dan Gauthier was my favorite Kevin by far. He had the look, demeanor, and smug entitlement that could develop when raised in his circumstances. He had great chemistry with everyone. I'm really sad he wasn't around when Howarth came back. I can see Gauthier rolling his eyes if he'd been included in the scenes of the Todd/Victor DNA test results. Hilarious.

I forgot the guy who played Powell, but you're right. He was, indeed, awful.

The guy who played Jason Webb wasn't all bad, but his skill set seemed stuck on playing surly or with telling Dorian what a piece of shit she was.

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by Anonymousreply 129June 23, 2022 10:30 AM

I agree that Fiona Hutchinson was a force of nature. Unlike most soap couplings that are created by writers, she created such an obsession for Max which was her throughline throughout most of her character's history. Her desperation, and her antics with Tina, made for fun television.

by Anonymousreply 130June 23, 2022 11:35 AM

Fiona was a nasty cunt.

by Anonymousreply 131June 23, 2022 8:17 PM

R130- I think Fiona may be my favorite actress on daytime- ever. I have sung her praises here before (I hold Susan Haskell in extremely high esteem as well) I watch those episodes from the late 80's and Fiona has it all. In spades.

by Anonymousreply 132June 23, 2022 10:50 PM

Dan Gauthier was (and remains to this day) a stunning looking man during his time on the show.

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by Anonymousreply 133June 24, 2022 12:10 AM

I'm still scratching my head 15 years later, wondering why OLTL kicked Dan Gauthier to the curb but kept Michael Easton.

by Anonymousreply 134June 24, 2022 12:22 AM

The show claimed it was storyline dictated as in they had no story for the character. Big mistake on their part. Even today the man should be getting steady work!

by Anonymousreply 135June 24, 2022 12:25 AM

Question: Did Elaine Princi's Dorian arrive before or after Andrea Evans left in 1990?

by Anonymousreply 136June 24, 2022 2:41 AM

Dan deserves better.

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by Anonymousreply 137June 24, 2022 2:49 PM

Susan Batten is on GH next week

by Anonymousreply 138June 24, 2022 7:53 PM

Mo thinks the studio is his personal mental hospital. Everyone is tired of it.

by Anonymousreply 139June 24, 2022 8:03 PM

He seems very anxious or is having a panic attack in R137’s video.

by Anonymousreply 140June 24, 2022 10:56 PM

[quote]Mo thinks the studio is his personal mental hospital.

If you watch Mo's Youtube show, you would think the entire cast of GH is a bunch of crazies.

by Anonymousreply 141June 24, 2022 10:59 PM

Whatever Happened To Mark Philpot - The Actor Who Played Jamie Sanders

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by Anonymousreply 142June 24, 2022 11:16 PM

Mark Philpot is a gay.

by Anonymousreply 143June 25, 2022 12:34 PM
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