Friday the 13th series vs A Nightmare on Elm Street series

In the US they have Shudder which is for horror films. I prefer Stan to Netflix but alot of the Freddy/Jason films are as you said divided. I recently watched Jason X on Netflix and it was nothing like i remembered 😆

Hehe, R1, I heard Werewolf Ambulance do a review of Jason X recently - it sounded hilariously bad, and they both seemed to feel it was torture to watch. So I look forward to watching it haha. I noticed last night that the two missing Friday films on Stan are on Netflix, so I should be able to watch the entire franchise. Provided I have enough time in the next month. I'm currently hacking my way through season 2 of Killing Eve and enjoying it a lot, will get on to the horror films later this week.

I've often wondered what Shudder was like - someone here told me once it's more for the torture porn end of things, which I wouldn't like so much.

And yes, so far it seems like Stan has a much better catalogue in general, more comprehensive.

I watched/rewatched the whole Nightmare franchise this October, so they are fresh in my mind. Interested to hear some discussion about them. Never been into the Friday series.

Werewolf Ambulance did a funny episode on Nightmare 2. Actually a lot of podcasts have funny episodes on Nightmare 2. It is an...interesting...movie. OP you might also be interested in the Elm Street documentaries Scream, Queen! and Never Sleep Again.

Speaking of Shudder, AMC+ is currently offering a $2/month subscription and it includes content from Shudder. Not clear if it is curated or just everything on Shudder.

Thanks Tina! Once I get onto the first Nightmare film I'll start writing my thoughts here and would love to hear from you about yours too.

I'm probably most aware of the second one because of the whole gay angle/the way it affected the actor afterwards stuff. There's a doco on it somewhere too, I believe. I'm aware of the storyline, mostly about the gym teacher haha. That actor also played the dad in Stand By Me. He has a nice arse. I look forward to seeing the movie in full!

The OP's Elaborate Scenario is brought to you by Muriel, the DL webmaster and Redundant Thread Copycat.

Muriel doesn't know or offer much info on her own, so she likes to keep repeating the same threads with the same comments from the same posters for decades.

DL already has plenty of Elm Street and F13 threads that one can "keep opinions as I go through them" and "hear from others, too."

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Watching movies is an Elaborate Scenario?

No, pretending you're a newbie to Elm Street or F13 on DL and that you never noticed the seven million threads about those franchises on DL is an Elaborate Scenario.

Pretending you wouldn't just join an existing thread or search previous threads if you really wanted to know about those movies is an Elaborate Scenario.

Ah, so posting on the internet is an Elaborate Scenario.

[quote]pretending you're a newbie to Elm Street or F13 on DL

Whether you believe it or not, I AM a newbie to these films, with the exceptions I listed above.

Paranoiacs are so weird.

R2 Jason X was pretty bad. But i'd still take it over Jason Goes To Hell.

And i'm looking forward to hearing what you think of Nightmare 2. All of the homo-erotic undertones went over my head as a kid 😅 And Killing Eve is on my watch list.

Jason Goes To Hell was a total disaster. I remember seeing it in the theater when it first came out. The one gimmicky thing they did upon theatrical release was that they customized the opening of the movie for every major city it was showing in, saying that it was taking place where you live or near where you live.

Wes Craven's A New Nightmare seemed to get some favorable reviews upon release. Even Ebert liked it. I'll give Craven some props for trying to restart the series after several really bad prior sequels. Though I consider it more of a precursor to what he ultimately did with Scream a couple years later as far as going meta with the horror genre and horror icons.

Sadly, it doesn't seem either of these franchises will get any more sequels any time soon. F13th has been tied up with legal issues over who owns the franchise. Robert Englund also doesn't seem to be interested in doing any more ANOS sequels either.

There are some F13th fan films available for free on Youtube that came out in recent years which feature some of the veteran cast members though.

R10, definitely get into Killing Eve, I just finished the second series tonight - it is a really fun and well written show, while also being gruesome in parts. I think you will really like it, I recommend it to everyone I can.

And I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the coach's arse in 4K Ultra HD when I get to Nightmare 2! ;)

R11 I just didn't like how gross it was compared to the other Jason films. And i don't know wtf was going on with the nude guy who gets strapped down naked by Jason 😆

I recently re-watched New Nightmare after listening to a podcast talk about it. And they made alot of the same points you did.

I thought the Nightmare remake was terrible. But i didn't mind Friday's or Texas Chainsaw. I wouldn't mind seeing another Jason movie but i would want it set in the 80s. I just don't think it works in any other decade. I can also understand why Robert doesn't want to do any more Nightmare films. He was right to bow out after Freddy vs Jason.

We have rewatched both series fairly recently. I prefer Nightmare as I like the magical elements and humor. But the first few Jason movies are great and I even like Jason goes to Hell for its absurdity. As poster above said, the fan made Jason movies are really well done.

When I watched the first Friday the 13th, I was really interested in a few things that I wasn't expecting as they didn't quite follow the clichés that came about later:

- the kids are by-and-large nice enough teens. Seemed pleasant, not overly sexually obsessed, and acted mostly more innocently, like how I remember it was being that age.

- Kevin Bacon and his girlfriend clearly liked each other beyond just boning.

- Despite the fact sexuality was a part of the narrative - I mean, Jason dies because two counsellors are screwing - it wasn't overdone, in the "if you have sex, you will die, only the virgin stays alive" type cliché that either later films did, or people from the future put on these films looking back. I found that interesting.

Yep, everyone has already mentioned everything here on other, more popular threads.

Why is it that the OP doesn't have an original insight?

Could it be she's a creatively bankrupt, basic bitch with no knowledge or exposure to other culture, unconventional takes or subjects that she has to keep repeating topics to troll for traffic to this toxic waste dump of a message board?

Sucks to be a Borderline Personality Disordered psychopath.

I thought this thread was going to be about each of the respective tv series spin-offs.

So, I just watched the first Nightmare for the first time! I have some thoughts.

Interesting to finally see it. I have to say, when you compare it to say the first Halloween or Friday the 13th, you know, other movies from this time and in this genre, this has a much more unique idea behind it and better characterisation. Nancy is also a really resourceful final girl, much more so than Laurie or especially the one from Friday, whose name I forgot.

I enjoyed the depiction of dreamland and how it was actually hard to tell when you entered it and when not, just odd things would start happening. I got a kick out the lamb appearing in Tina's dream at the start, that seems really relatable. Nancy in the bath was a good one too.

Johnny Depp blood geyser was a good one (I have never thought he was attractive though, I just don't get that), and Tina's body flying around the room was a great idea.

Nancy's mum looked so familiar to me, but I can't think why. I didn't recognise the actresses name, but she does bear a vague resemblance to Jennifer Beals, whom I love.

So, the thing is - I think I'm more into the maniac on a killing spree angle rather than the supernatural angle, so I feel more interested at the start of this little project in the Friday series than Nightmare, but I can't deny Nightmare seems to be superior in most objective ways based on the first film, it's more just about what interests me.

The end scene was weird - so did she never defeat Freddy then? Maybe the next movie will explain somehow. Still a few hours to go, so I think I'll jump into that one now. I know it as the gay one, and am probably most familiar with it out of all of them (which is still not much), so let's see just [italic]how[/italic] gay!

^Also, while I was watching, I kept wondering what it'd be like if Daria Argento at the time had lent his input into the nightmare scenes. He was always good at nightmare logic, I thought.

I forgot to mention that it was very cool to see everyone's favourite DILF John Saxon in the first film. Something about him just does it for me.

Watched Nightmare 2 now. Very interesting to watch it. Was it meant to be as gay as it was? Because it seemed very obviously gay, but I was watching it expecting that. But you could very easily make an argument that it's a movie about Jesse trying to stop the emergence of his sexuality, killing off crushes he has, like the teacher and Grady. That whole scene with the teacher was weird, but almost perfect in the sense that it really is a relatable and typical teen boy dream when you break it down to its elements: Boy dreams of going to a place where he has heard there are others like him, he bumps into a PE teacher that he lusts after, in a more sexual setting, the teacher disciplines him, and then sends him to the shower - the whole thing set against the gym/shower/locker room setting being very typical too.

I found it enjoyable, I was interested in watching a horror movie more with a final guy - although maybe that's not what Jesse is as he is also Freddy, and the final third we spend more time with Meryl Streep over there.

Also, why didn't Mark Patton just get his cock out, it was pretty much front and centre of the majority of scenes.

I feel like I want to keep a male bum tally from these movies. When watching some of these early 80s horror films I was surprised because while I expected gratuitous female nudity, I wasn't expecting as much male arse as we get. It's actually been a bit less in these Friday and Nightmare films so far compared to some others, but I'll be keeping my eye out, perv that I am. So far:

Friday 1 - 1 semi butt shot (Kevin Bacon)

Nightmare 1 - none

Nightmare 2 - two butt shots (Jesse and the PE teacher)

The Nightmare series in winning so far in these early days ;).

R5 is trying to make Elaborate Scenario happen. If apparently doesn’t know how to skip over threads. Ignore it.

I quite liked the way heat was used in the second film, because of the link between Freddy and the boiler room.

Did anyone else notice a hell of a lot of farmer's tan on the actors in the second Nightmare on Elm Street? I kept seeing it, and thinking how these days that would've all been make-uped off.

Also, was that girl at the start ("Driver, that was my stop!") Annie from Friday the 13th? Because she had that same, weirdly smiling acting style as Annie did.

I watched Friday the 13th Part Two last night, and enjoyed it! I initially meant to do a big horror night of that, Evil Dead 2 and Halloween II ,but fell asleep ten minutes into Evil Dead as I was so exhausted (not because it's not enjoyable, because I love that series), so went to bed instead.

So, yeah, I really enjoyed this film, it felt pretty much like the first one. Once again, I would say the teens/20 somethings are pretty much nice kids all up, and I was quite surprised by how much they looked their age, not 30-somethings playing younger. From the moment this one started I was enjoying myself and more engaged than with the Nightmare films. My brother asked me which I prefer, and at this moment, two movies in for both franchises, I have to say Friday. Will be interesting to see how it goes on, considering how silly I believe Jason gets over time.

I loved the sack on the head, like The Town that Dreaded Sundown. It's a creepy look. I was surprised to see the final girl from the first one back at the start. I still really like this late 70s/early 80s look to these films (I've never been as big on what we think of as typical 80s aesthetic).

Another thing, I remember a poster here getting into it with me after I spoke about a puritanical streak in movies that shows sex=death. He said this wasn't a thing, and after seeing these early films, I have to say, I think he's got a real point. I didn't get the feeling that that's what it was meant to mean - none of the final girls I've been seeing so far have been explicitly virginal. I think what it is is that they're not getting distracted/paying more attention to their surroundings. I think Carpenter said this about Halloween, but it seems to be that way in these other early movies too. I almost feel like this is something we "know" that has been retconned onto older films, or perhaps teased out in discussions on themes at a later date. Anyway, I'm not seeing it in that way. It's like: when are you most vulnerable? Well when you're naked and having sex you're very vulnerable. I think it's more to tap into that fear.

I've seen A Bay of Blood a few months ago, so I knew that those two scenes here were taken from that (also the campfire scene is almost exactly like the one from The Burning). They are much less explicit here though than in that film. I was actually surprised that that couple weren't having sex when they were impaled, like in A Bay of Blood. I also appreciated once again it is a couple who, shock horror, actually liked each other and were sweet and had a relationship outside just having sex. I guess over time these things just became more pronounced and simplified in a way.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. Not sure where to go next, but 3 and a bit weeks left to get through these franchises, I better pull my finger out!

[Quote] I was surprised to see the final girl from the first one back at the start.

I believe she was supposed to have a bigger part but asked to be killed off as she was dealing with a stalker.

Knocked off Friday the 13th Part Three tonight.

I do enjoy this series. Having said that, I can see that the quality gets slightly less every time. This is the first one of these movies where I feel what would become the clichés in the characters is becoming a bit more of a thing. Not to the extent that is talked about yet, but it's getting there.

I've noticed with these films that while you can make a pretty good guess at who will be the Final Girl, I don't think it's necessarily as clear cut as you would think.

I felt bad for Vera - her death was actually a pretty creepy one, and I thought she deserved better than to be lumped with that doofus, Shelly. A lot of these early films mopey geeks who I think we're meant to feel sorry for, but from this vantage point (ie 2021), they come across more like incels than anything.

Not many of the deaths surprised me, nor were there any real jumpy moments. I'm not a bit fan of jump scares, but when used sparingly, they can definitely improve the viewing experience, and I felt both the first and second films had some enjoyable jumps in them. This one just seemed to... happen.

I liked seeing where the hockey mask came from.

One thing I didn't understand. What happened to Paul from the second film? At the beginning, the news report says there were 8 dead people, and then they show the Final Girl (forgot her name already) still alive. But without Paul we already have 8 deaths, so does that mean he was alive? Couldn't work it out.

I think sometimes too that maybe having less characters, but more inventive deaths and scares is probably a better way to go. This film made a number of references to deaths/situations from the first movie, but they didn't seem so much fun homages as kinda lazy. Maybe it came across better at the time. Obviously, I can watch these movies very closely together. I find the recaps at the beginning of these films a bit tiresome, but at the same time I love the continuity.

I know I'm being critical in this post, but all up I really do still enjoy this particular franchise and am interested to see where it goes next. I do know we eventually end up in space, which sounds trippy.

"Friday the 13th Part Four" is one of the better films in the franchise. It starts the Tommy Trilogy that runs to Part 6, which is also a good one.

You're right that the quality of the "Friday" films declines with each new installment. The second film mostly established the template and the series stuck to it with gimmicks thrown in to try freshening it up a bit (i.e., Part 5 and Part 7). Once Part 8 rolled around ("Jason Takes Manhattan"), the series was running on fumes, creatively.

Tonight watched A Nightmare on Elm Street: Dream Warriors. I really enjoyed it for the most part! Patricia Arquette has a voice on her, huh? I liked the setting in the hospital and the idea of all those kids together with the same dream. Cool to see Nancy back again (I still don't really understand the ending of the first film), and always good seeing my daddy, John Saxon back. The doctor guy looked to me a bit like a young Bill Maher, which I found distracting (not in a good way ha!). "In my dreams I am beautiful" - I know I'm a sap, but that will never not tug at my heart strings.

Towards the end it did get a little bit too late 80s fantasy-ish for me, but won me back when John Saxon turned out to be Freddy, who then gutted Nancy. I was glad it wasn't taking that cheesy scene seriously.

While I wouldn't say it was better than the first one, it was probably the one I enjoyed the most of the series so far because I went into it completely cold, whereas I knew a few vague things about the first and second ones.

R28 welcome to prime time, bitch.

Friday the 13th Part 4 or The Final Cut done and dusted tonight. Funny how it's the "final cut" and there are, what? 27 more Friday films to follow? ;) Like a Cher farewell tour!

I liked this one, in fact, I would say I enjoyed it more than 3. As soon as I saw Tom Savini was back, I was like "yay!" and also, immediately nervous, because I knew his effects would be better. I haven't looked away from/squinted at the screen for a few movies now, but definitely had that a bit here.

Quite a few known actors here too. Corey Feldman! (I feel so sad when I see him, a really very good child actor now understandably very fucked up. I recently saw Stand By Me for the first time too). And oh my god. I have only seen Crispin Glover in later things, where he always plays a weirdo. How fucking hot was he in this? I was boned up when he was on screen, I swear, haha. Many other actors had that "I know that person" look about them. Was the guy in shower in another one in this series? I swear I've seen him recently in a horror.

Still thought there were maybe too many characters here, but I guess the point is watching as many people die off as possible. But honestly, I couldn't name any of the characters apart from Trish and Tommy (oh and one girl kept calling out "Paul! Paul!" at one stage, so I guess there was a Paul?), and the kids in the house all looked pretty much the same, which made it particularly difficult. Most of them at least got a bit of characterisation, but I thought the couple who fucked in the shower were pretty superfluous.

THIS is where we finally catch up to the clichés - the obnoxious horny young people stuff. Yeah, all the other films had horny teens in them, but this was the first time that it was as over the top as it was. I find it hard to explain; as a former young person, I was doing stuff kinda like this (ie, going on trips away with different groups of peers) about 20 years after these movies, but we all didn't really behave like this, so I suppose the unrelatable-ness of their relationships is why I roll my eyes a bit. Like, would you want to hang out with these characters? Not really, they don't even seem to like each other that much. In the earlier films, the kids seemed more normal and usual, I guess.

But yeah, I enjoyed this one a lot. You know you're having fun when you're watching by yourself but talking at the TV: "No! Go OUT the door, just jump over her body you dumb bitch! Oh see, you could jump over her body to get back into the house, but not when trying to get out?" etc. I had a good time. Oh, and it's the return of male bum, yay! Two lots of it here. I was really quite surprised when I started watching these earlier films, like The Burning or Sleepaway Camp or the Prom Night series and many others, how much male nudity there was, but there's been a lot less in these two movies so far. But in Part 4 I swear I could almost see balls swinging between the legs.

^Oh and PS, the guy with the machete out camping. He said he had a sister (Sandra?) who was killed by Jason. Who was she? Was she in a previous movie. I honestly can't tell you the names of most of the characters in this series hehe.

Sandra was the girl in part 2 who was speared through the bed while fucking her boyfriend.

^Oh, that's who she was! Thanks R32. I am enjoying the touches of continuity throughout these films. They almost could be done as a series and fleshed out.

Though interestingly, they'd finished fucking and were cuddling when it happened, compared to A Bay of Blood, where it was a real case of "coitus interruptus"!

Just finished A Nightmare on Elm Street part 4. My god, Freddy is getting quippy now, isn't he? I didn't hate it, some of them I really liked, but I could see how that might get tiresome in the future. We shall see.

I wasn't bored during this movie at all and had a perfectly enjoyable time, though I realise it's probably not objectively that good of a film. I liked seeing characters come back from part 3, but was sad to see them die pretty quickly. The effects at the end of Freddy's victims pulling his body apart were pretty cool and a good idea. I see in the credits that one of the victims was Linnea Quigley.

Whoa, I can hear the credits still going on in the background while I type this. Is that Freddy rapping on a song? Oh god this is so fucking 80s haha. But it does make the whole thing a lot less creepy for me too. The fact I enjoyed this is really in spite of it being filmed in one of my least favourite periods, aesthetically speaking, that being the mid to late 80s. I mean everything about this movie - the clothes, the hair, the soundtrack, the focus on martial arts ... it's that mid-late 80s stuff that really doesn't do it for me. Except that Sinead O'Connor song, that is excellent.

The dream sequences mostly had me thinking of some video clip of 80s power ballad, all those floating curtains. But I quite liked the beach one, and the toilet stall/elevator one was pretty cool too.

How did Freddy come back anyway, I couldn't work it out. Was it because Jason, the dog, pissed on him?

Just now followed up the above with Friday the 13th part 5.

As I've said before, I prefer the Friday series so far, but I guess now it's going in a different direction, one that is not quite as much my cup of tea as the earlier camp films. Not that I hated watching it or anything, but it just feels a lot different than what came before it, even down to the way the dialogue was and stuff.

They seemed to be introducing random characters just to kill off constantly, rather than spending more time developing the characters of those living in the house for the mentally unwell, which was a bit of a shame. It was to the film's credit that it managed to get as much characterisation as it did with so little, but still. I feel they underused Tommy too. You know what I would've liked more? If they had had the Corey Feldman Tommy going to the farm not long after the events in part 4, due to his trauma. The kid, Richie, was pretty cute, I liked that character, so having a young Tommy would've worked, I think.

The only kill I thought was particularly good was the spear through the toilet wall one. I enjoyed that.

Sounds like I'm being miserable, as I said, I didn't hate this, it's just less of what I like in a Friday movie. Also, why did Tommy decide to become Jason in the end, I'm not sure I got it.

This is also starting to become more cliché in the whole "boobs everywhere" thing. I mean, yeah, boobs have been a big part of slashers up until now, but not quite so many (usually just one character) and I'm seeing less male nudity as time goes on, which makes me sad. I like male ass! Show me more!

I will be interested to see how we go from here. I'm looking forward to rewatching the remake from 2009 after all these years, but got a few Jason movies (and odd ones at that from the sounds of things) to go yet!

I made a mistake in the original post.

I said I saw Jason Takes Manhattan as a kid. It was Jason Goes to Hell, I'm pretty sure now. Can confirm for sure once I see it, but from what I've heard it is definitely Hell that I saw.

Knocked off A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 5 tonight. Don't have much to say about it. I'm pretty tired, so I just kinda watched it, a bit of a weird moment when you're trying to stay awake watching a movie based on kids trying to not fall asleep.

It was at least less obnoxiously 80s than the previous one. There is something so ugly to me about the aesthetic of '85-'88. I didn't hate watching this movie, it was just more like watching the movie happened without much engagement from me, I suppose. Even a pool full of shirtless guys didn't perk me up. The idea of Freddy trying to possess a baby to be born again was kinda nutty and cool, I guess. The kid playing Jacob looked vaguely familiar to me, but can't think why.

I probably just needed to be in a slightly more with it mood while watching it. I do wish these movies would bring back a little bit of the atmosphere in the earlier ones. I didn't really feel creeped out in this one at all.

Tonight was Friday the 13th Part 6. After Part 5, I was not expecting to like this...

Turns out I had a freaking fun time with it! When it began I was thinking: "I don't like the new tone they're taking with this series, I don't think I'm as interested anymore." I could see straight up that Jason would get electrified back to life. Thought "not really my type of movie..."

Then the scene with the two camp counselors in the car happened, and I was won over. Not only because one of them was Tony Goldwyn, who I have such a crush on (such sexy thighs he had in The L Word), but the dialogue was funny and great, and I thought: "Ok, now I'm into this!" and it just kept going from there.

Honestly, I would say after the first two movies, this was the entry into the series I enjoyed most. It was very funny, but the actors played it straight which really helped at the same time. I cracked up when one of the children was fast asleep with Jean Paul Sartre's No Exit. Lots of little touches like that that I loved and kept me interested in watching. Would it stand up to a rewatch? I don't know and I'm not sure I ever will, but it was a great watch. Lots of inventive kills, and to be frank, this really helps keep interest too, in the earlier films they really were a lot more ordinary a lot of the time, or done off screen. Don't get me wrong, those early films are my favourite, but I loved seeing these crazy kills. I also laugh at how they keep bringing up random characters (a couple on a picnic, an office paintball retreat) just to kill them, but I liked that in this one (I didn't like it in Part 5).

And the little vignettes were fun. The two in the car, as I said, or the couple in the camper van. Fun.

It will be interesting to see where this series goes. I imagine they will keep this tone, but it will all depend on how well it's done. It was done very well here. If it's not, I can see it getting tiresome. But my interest in continuing watching has been reignited, which I'm so pleased about.

I think now is the perfect time to post this.

OMG, R39! Hahahahaha! Thanks for sharing that, gave me a big laugh and in addition I liked it!

Had a couple more hours before bed, so popped on Part 7 just then. Turns out I was wrong, they didn't continue with the humour. There were moments in this one that made me think of Part 4, like it was harkening back to that one. It was fine, easily watchable, quite enjoyable, if nothing that special.

I do think if they want to have as many characters die, there needs to be more inventive deaths. The only one that stuck out to me was the sleeping bag one. Also, I may not explain this well, but as I am in the later 80s section of both these franchises, I'm noticing that the movies get glossier, but also more... conservative? I'm not sure if that's the word I'm looking for, but it's like they have more deaths, more sex and yet none of it is as graphic as it used to be. The earlier 80s films have more of an almost hippy vibe about them, the later ones have some more violent deaths but there is no Tom Savini effects - I mean the whole series started out to show off his work, pretty much - nor any real lingering or even showing a lot of the deaths. It's much more implied stuff, and sex scenes, or nude scenes suddenly involve a lot more of the sheets wrapped around people etc. We still get some female nudity, but the male stuff is pretty much absent now (dammit). The characters are much more obnoxious and just there to die, not likable really at all. There's definitely been a change in the zeitgeist at some point in the 80s.

I really love how nearly all of these movies come in under the 90 minute mark. Perfect length for a horror, perhaps could be even shorter sometimes! So seeing that Jason Takes Manhattan is over 100 minutes is like "ugh, really?" But we'll see how I go when I next decide to watch a Friday movie.

I'll have to check out if these Friday movies were given bigger budgets than the Nightmare ones in general. It certainly looks that way.

When I rewatched the Nightmare series I was surprised that Heather Langenkamp's performances were... not bad, but not great. Nancy is such an iconic character but Langenkamp is a little bland and stiff. Oddly she's at her worst in the beginning of Nightmare when she just has to play a regular teen. The weirder things get the better her acting gets. But even in New Nightmare there's something unconvincing about her...and she's playing herself!

True, R41! Because I'd heard people raving about her as a final girl before, I think I was expecting a bit better too. I mean, I [italic]like[/italic] her, but yeah, she's definitely a little bland and stiff as you say.

Henry Manfredini is really hitting those Dies Irae notes hard in these more recent Friday the 13th films.

Tonight I settled down to Friday the 13th Part 8: Jason Takes Manhattan.

What in the actual fuck did I just watch? That was... I mean, WHAT? The whole thing was so weird, made no sense and I dunno... seemed so ineptly made. How did they get to Manhattan via what looked like Seattle? Why was one girl so intent on playing her electric guitar in the bowels of the boat? Why was another girl required to do her biology report while on a Graduation Cruise. Why did Stan's synopsis refer to it as a "teen love boat" when there was no loving going on on there? Why did that first guy get into bed with his girlfriend while wearing belted jeans? What the actual hell was going on? I was laughing so much, but not WITH the movie, like with Part 6. The dialogue was SO weird and nonsensical, I couldn't understand any character's motivations. I REALLY didn't expect to see an attempted gang rape in the middle of the film.

Once again, kills not that impressive. The effects weren't even as good (I forgot to say but I thought Jason looked really cool under his mask in Part 7). It's just a big bowl a "huh?" to me.

I did like the idea behind the scene where that guy fights Jason on the rooftop and Jason clearly just lets him punch him over and over until he tires himself out. I liked him falling on the third rail. But that's kinda it.

One of the guys on the boat (blonde one with the axe who Jason throws from the ladder onto the aerial) looked so much like my first boyfriend, who I was really in love with at the time and who blew the biggest loads I've ever experienced. That occupied my mind more than this movie, to be honest.

I will come clean though: I had my booster shot today and am feeling just a little off, a little tired and weird. MAYBE that affected my viewing experience, but I honestly doubt it. I think this is just a really shit movie. Kinda entertaining in a WTF is happening type way but even then, not especially.

R44 it's a shit movie. But Manhattan does have some funny moments.

Jason seeing the hockey poster was kind of a fun moment, I guess.

R46 i like this scene too.

R47, I forgot to mention it, but yeah, that was one of the very few scenes in this movie I liked too. Just lifting his mask but us not seeing it, only the punks, was great. I also like he has just walks past like: "Fuck your boombox!"

[quote]I also like he has just walks past like: "Fuck your boombox!"

I swear I wrote: "I also like how he just walks past..." but apparently not.

Tonight I watched Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare.

This movie feels like there was an extra 20-30 minutes of exposition that got cut out. Things happened that just didn't quite make sense to me, and we're talking about a film that deals in nightmares. People started coming around to the idea of a creature called Freddy killing people in their dreams too quickly or something. I guess these films were churned out for fans, so they didn't want to have boring scenes explaining things each time, but it makes the motivations of the characters a bit hard to follow sometimes.

I didn't hate watching this. I actually thought there were some really interesting ideas being explored in what was kinda a poorly made film. This time we really are seeing not just negligent, distant parenting, but actively abusive parenting which was quite upsetting to think about, particularly that relating to Carlos and Tracey (I found the Spencer part looked a bit too silly with the whole video game aspect to it). Also appreciated most of the look inside Freddy's mind, though the "dream people" thing was a bit dumb for me.

Can I say an odd thing? I find Robert Englund out of makeup kinda weirdly sexy. I remember thinking so during part 5 (I think) where he played one of the maniacs. In this one he had a bit of a sexy 1960s daddy thing going on. And I mean, god bless this man for still giving it his all with some really dumb one liners.

Mostly, I liked the bit with the three kids, Carlos, Tracey and Spencer. Has Breckin Meyer ever NOT played a stoner? Johnny Depp on the TV was fun. I really like Yaphet Kotto but it was weird seeing him in this film. Credit to the film that I didn't pick up straight away that the counselor lady (or whatever she was, the main woman) was Freddy's daughter, I thought it was going to be Tracey.

I sound all over the place, I'm sure. My final thoughts are that it was poorly made in many places, but with interesting ideas and some potentially devastating storylines that I just wish were in a more competently made movie. I would watch the shit out of that one.

Seeing shots of all the movies so far during the credits just reminded me of how creepy these movies could be, but aren't really at this stage (things like Tina's body bag dragging down the corridor is so good).

Followed up the above with Jason Goes to Hell. This is definitely the one I saw when I was a teen on late night TV in the late 90s/early 00s, not Jason Takes Manhattan. I remembered the fake out opening, where they trap Jason and kill him, and I remember the coroner eating Jason's heart. I also vividly remembered Freddy's hand grabbing Jason's mask at the end (because after Freddy's Dead, I guess Freddy was, well you know, dead!)

Coming after Jason Takes Manhattan, this movie looks SO good. It's coherent, makes sense within the logic of the world it's set, and is quite fun. The reason I don't rate it higher is just that it's moved so far beyond what I originally liked about this series. I mean, this would be the first film too where the majority of the characters aren't teens/20 year olds, but mostly grown adults.

I thought it did well with the "let's make the audience think they see more than they do" type effects, and when they showed them, they were generally great. I thought the police officer melting after Jason leaves his body was pretty gnarly.

Oh, and we got some male bum again finally! Very good looking guy, I MUST'VE been turned on by him when I saw this as a teen, but I can't quite remember. I do remember the death scene of the girl while she was riding him. I THINK that a similar thing happens in the reboot? But not quite sure, we'll see.

The Creighton Duke guy was the guy from The X Files, wasn't he? I'd not realised how attractive he was before.

So, I thought it was a totally fine B grade movie, but just don't think of it as highly as others for the reasons stated above. Enjoyable enough though!

Well, I should leave on a high note, but it's holidays, and Jason X only takes 90 minutes, so will check it out. I'm fulling expecting this to be TERRIBLE.

Jason X now done.

Who exactly asked for this movie? Like, we are so far beyond the original idea for the series now. Why send Jason to space? This is the first time I think that they didn't even try with any continuity. At the end of Hell, Jason goes there, now in Jason X, he was apparently still around killing people into the 2000s?

God they were a horny bunch on this ship, in a weird way. I can't get over a character is called "Janessa" hahahaha.

This movie really dragged. It's funny because it's roughly the same length as Hell, but whereas that one flew by, this one really didn't. A lot of this is just due to my tastes, I'm sure. I just don't tend to like things set in space and in the future like this. Unless it's Alien. So I found the setting for this really uninteresting.

Some of the kills were cool and interesting, and the movie did know when to show and when to suggest, which I appreciated. The actors looked like they were having fun, which is always good. It just feels kinda meh and kinda pointless.

R13 spoke about how remakes should be set in the 80s and I agree. The 00s look just doesn't work, I don't think. I love how 400+ years in the future still looks very much like the fashion hasn't changed that much since the time the movie was set in. But this is pretty standard for movies set in the future, after all.

I'm glad I'm done with that one. I'm looking forward to the 2009 remake, so pleased that I am so close and will easily get there before my free trial period is up.

[Quote] Johnny Depp on the TV was fun.

I like that he was credited as Oprah Noodlemantra. It's a shame Wes couldn't get him for New Nightmare. I always forget that Tom and Roseanne are in this movie too.

[Quote] and I remember the coroner eating Jason's heart.

I can't watch that scene. Just makes me want to vomit.

[Quote] Some of the kills were cool and interesting,

I really love how Kay-Em just blew Jason away. Also liked how Kay-Em and Rowan were both on a show called Andromeda. The actress who played Rowan was an android lol

[quote]I always forget that Tom and Roseanne are in this movie too.

Oh my god, yes! I forgot to mention that, but I was like: "huh? Is that..?"

R54 I had the same reaction.

Watched Wes Craven's New Nightmare tonight. I had fun with this one. It's a very cool idea for a film, and kind of a precursor to the tone of Scream. I can see why Wes Craven agreed to do Scream actually. He must've got such a kick out of that script.

Was so fun seeing the characters back again. The funeral scene went a bit quickly, but I thought I recognised a couple of faces. The guy with the black hair was Rob from the first movie, yes? Was so great to see John Saxon back again. Robert Englund still looking good to me, although those hippy glasses never look good on ANYONE as far as I'm concerned. Even the hottest guy will look weird in them. I enjoyed Heather Langenkamp. It was fun. I don't deny there are places it could've been improved, but good on them for the idea.

There should've been some more deaths, there were hardly any, but they were good ones - I liked the call backs to the first movie that happened throughout the film. Julie's death, Heather running up the stairs. A movie done like this could've come across as lazy - just rehashing the earlier, successful film, but really it didn't. It was worth seeing this one.

I keep saying that I don't like the Nightmare series that much, but I really do appreciate the ideas in it. And they've played around with it a bit, but it still always feels in keeping with the franchise. Unlike ahem, Friday the 13th.

So up next... finally we see Freddy vs Jason!

[Quote] The guy with the black hair was Rob from the first movie, yes?

It is. I actually wish Wes had done a bit more with those cameos.

"New Nightmare" was an interesting concept for a film. It did meta-horror before "Scream." and it did it mostly well.

"Jason Goes To Hell" and "Jason X" are just bad films. "Hell" was made by people fresh out of film school, and it shows. "Jason X" looks and feels like an episode of a low budget sci-fi series shot in Canada.

Agreed, R58, though as I say, I didn't mind watching Hell - it does have some great effects, and is at least a comprehensive story. It's just that it is so different from what the Friday series should be, I thought, and it's not the direction I would ever have wanted the series to go.

I think perhaps it comes across better when you watch it immediately after whatever the fuck Manhattan was meant to be.

Hey, and at least there was a sexy camper showing off his butt in that one too, hey? ;) Sorry, I know I go on about men's butts a lot, but it's just that (a) I love them and (b) I just watched An American Werewolf in London for the first time and have them fresh on my mind.

Whoa, so Kelly Rowland, aka the best thing about Destiny's Child, was in one of these movies?

Yes, I just watched Freddy vs Jason.

Guys? I [italic]enjoyed[/italic] this one! So much. It was a lot of fun, probably the most fun I've had watching one of these films since Friday the 13th part 6. I was not expecting this, I thought it was going to be terrible.

I've said many times before, to me the very best aesthetic in film is your mid/late 70s to early 80s, and I stand by that. That's my jam. And I would say the look of the late 90s/early 00s films doesn't stand up in the same way - at all. BUT. Guys, these were MY years. I was a late teen and early 20s person during this time. I was watching a lot of these types of movies. So much so, that I'm surprised I hadn't seen this before. Watching this invoke a lot of nostalgia.

But it wasn't just nostalgia, this movie had a lot of fun in it, some great pacing so I never got bored, some cool kills, and just a great, fun time. Robert Englund still looking good to me. I really liked that first kill of the douchebag in bed, especially when Jason shut the bed up, and his body snapped in half backwards. So cool. (But movie? If there's a character that a girl only sleeps with because he has a "nice ass", you need to show it to us so us as the audience can make up our own mind, ok? He can't be shown in boxers immediately post-nut, makes no sense. Just sayin'.)

I have to say: "holy fake tits!" This is the first time in these movies I remember seeing them, in fact it seemed like most of the girls had them. I'm sorry, they're not attractive, I just don't get it.

The only thing that stood out to me that I didn't like was the use of that special type of cam that was popular around this time. I don't have the terms to describe what I mean technically, but it's that jolty, quick cut yet looks vaguely slow motion at the same time effect. Seen for example when Laurie goes into that 'back in time' dream to see Jason being picked on at camp. I never liked this effect, even at the time.

Was Laurie played by Abby from Dawson's Creek? And the cop was the micropenis guy from Scary Movie, haha.

Oh, I didn't love Freddy's "dark meat" line, immediately followed by Kelly calling him a "faggot". That was weird, like I remember those days, I swear it was "that's so gay" as an insult, but not faggot unless someone was a real arsehole, and I don't think she was meant to be. Anyway, I'm not a big "Oh my god that's so offensive!" person, it was just the one-two punch of those things sort of took me out of the movie for a minute.

Had a great time with this one, and after also enjoying An American Werewolf in London, I want to make it three for three tonight, but no idea what to watch next. The only thing I'm thinking of is Halloween 4 and apparently that is shit, haha.

Only the two remakes to go. When I started this project I wasn't sure I'd make it through in the 30 days. I still have a week to go, so yay, will do this easily.

^Actually, think I might watch Cabin in the Woods, as I've not seen that yet either.

Ok, I have a question re: these Friday and Nightmare movies I am watching on this streaming service...

Are they being cut and edited? I have to give examples obviously, but...

I read that Part 7 was so not gory because initially it was REALLY gory and they were forced to edit it all out. But did all that gore get put back in and I just watched a lame-o version?

In Freddy vs Jason, I was just looking up stills from it, and there is a shot of the counselor fucking that girl and his pants are partway down. I swear in the version I saw he had his shorts all the way up, no nudity and was just humping.

There is also a sex scene between Will and Laurie that was not in the version I saw.

It's not that I need to see these scenes but I was kinda hoping I was watching the proper versions of these films.

Cheers for any clarification!

ISTR that the basic idea of New Nightmare is what Craven wanted to do for Elm Street 2. He wasn't interested in cranking out sequels indefinitely, he just wanted to make an interesting movie...much to New Line's chagrin.

Anyway I agree it's quite good, though I wish it had had made better use of Robert Englund. And maybe done more with the other actors who just have cameos.

How many bodies are buried in the OP’s basement?

Talking to himself like a psycho through sock puppets, with the same, tedious epistles compiling ALL of the tired info already repeated to death on DL over the years.

You’re truly a predictable bore.

[quote]ISTR that the basic idea of New Nightmare is what Craven wanted to do for Elm Street 2. He wasn't interested in cranking out sequels indefinitely, he just wanted to make an interesting movie...

Oh, so he wanted to do this idea a lot earlier? Interesting! It's such a shame that making interesting movies always takes a backseat to what the studios want, which very rarely seems to be anything that good...

Well, I can now say that I have completed the entire A Nightmare on Elm Street series, as I have just finished the 2010 movie.

I had heard before I saw this that this was a bad film. Honestly, I thought it was fine. It's basically just an updated retelling of the first movie (with a couple of references to other movies: Nancy's mother telling her to get to sleep as it was so late while Nancy was drawing I recognised from Kristin in Part 3, and the wet dream joke was from Part 4 I think - and worked much better there, to be honest). It was watchable, they could clearly do a few more things effects wise, but of course being a retelling like this it can only be compared to the original and the original just was better, even if it is dated.

I don't particularly find the dream sequences that interesting, mostly because it's not how my nightmares are, which isn't a fair criticism, I know. I missed Robert Englund, and no offense to the new guy, he did his job, it's just that this part IS Robert Englund to me. Freddy's voice in this wasn't quite "right" to my ears, after all the other movies.

I can appreciate they made this film darker more than comedic. They kinda missed out for the whole central theme of these movies, to me, which is the uselessness of the adults. These adults are much more typically caring parents, rather than the emotionally distant, unpleasant or downright abusive ones from the others.

This is the only movie that explicitly says Freddy was a pædophile, yes? In the others he was mentioned as being a child murderer, with the other stuff perhaps implicit at the most. It was pretty dark.

It was fine to put on and watch. At the same time, I can't see me watching it again. I wonder what true fans on the franchise thought at the time. It can be interesting watching a new spin on and old story, but at the same time does it really add anything or make you want to watch it again once you've noted the differences?

So, that's it! I have now seen all the movies in this series. Better late than never!

Thought I might attempt a ranking, though I find it a bit daunting. I feel the need to be both objective and subjective, so not sure if a ranking is very useful to anyone. For example, everyone says Part 2 is bad, but I actually enjoyed watching it. So, take this with a grain of salt:

1. A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)

2. A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987)

3. Freddy vs Jason (2003)

4. Wes Craven's New Nightmare (1994)

5. A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge (1985)`

6. A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010)

7. A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master (1988)

8. A Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child (1989)

9. Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare (1991)

[Quote] Oh, I didn't love Freddy's "dark meat" line, immediately followed by Kelly calling him a "faggot". That was weird

Both of those lines dropped like a thud. They should have cut it out.

[Quote] Was Laurie played by Abby from Dawson's Creek?

Yes, she had some work done since DC. And i think she's still dating Edward Furlong.

[quote]Both of those lines dropped like a thud. They should have cut it out.

Thanks, mate. I'm glad to know it wasn't just me. Even Kelly didn't sound comfortable saying the slur, I seem to remember.

Abby/Laurie had definitely had work done - she looked familiar to me but at the same time she could've easily been someone else too.

So... the project is over (with one week to go!). When I started I didn't think I would get there in time, so am pretty happy. Yes, this means I just finished watching the 2009 Friday the 13th.

Or, finished re-watching, I should say, as I saw this in theatres back in 2009 with a group of friends. The thing is, I remembered very little of it, because at the time I seem to remember I didn't want to be there and wasn't really paying attention. Plus I used to find horror harder to watch then than now, as much as I liked it, so I spent a lot of time not looking at the screen.

Which is so funny to me, because I watched all of that. You really do get desensitised. I mean, Fulci pushes peoples eyeballs out, this was a piece of cake. I also sorta remembered things as they were happening this time around.

I [italic]loved[/italic] this one. I wasn't expecting to enjoy it that much, but I am going to rank it pretty highly. Which is funny, because it contains elements I don't love as much; like I think these are the MOST obnoxious characters the series has seen, a group of people I don't understand how they are friends, and the sex stuff was off the show too. This movie basically turned the clichés up to 11, which is so interesting because after seeing the whole series, what we think we know about these movies isn't necessarily true. This movie played to expectations more, I think.

But it was enjoyable from start to finish. I wasn't bored once. And it handled a large cast of characters that had to be killed off very well, much more than some of the others. I forgot the opening kills went on for so long, I thought they were much shorter. That girl's tits were disgusting by the way. I freaking loved how Jason in the first part of the movie was shown in the bag rather than the hockey mask. They were able to pay tribute to both disguises he had. I wasn't fussed on the retelling of the end of the first movie at the very beginning, but after that I was totally along for the ride.

This movie did really well at building up some tension and that unpleasant feeling you get of "don't go in there!" which a lot of the movies didn't do so well, so I appreciated that. One thing I will say is that this film felt very much like a "lads film" if you get me? Yeah, there's always boobs in these movies, but those scenes were shot so completely for the straight males, earlier films sexualised the men a bit more too, not to the extent of the women, but still. This movie was NOT going to show us male ass unfortunately (like couldn't that douchebag have just rolled over on top of that girl for a couple of seconds at least?). So yeah to me this felt the most aggressively "film for the boys" of all of them.

This is the period in film where I start not being able to tell women apart though. Those women - the brunettes looked the same and the blondes looked the same. The men were at least distinctive, and there were some nice tight t-shirts and tight jeans on display.

Great kills, inventive but not ridiculous, and kept it interesting. I remember back when I saw this the first time being kinda upset with the guy who is calling for help. Didn't expect the girl who was helping Clay to get killed too, thought she would be final girl.

So yeah. Loved it. Would watch again. Took itself seriously enough but not too seriously at the same time. I remember when I saw it at the theatre, one of the guys in the group was a fan of the series and I asked him: "Was that what you wanted in a remake?" and he looked so happy as he said "yes". I think this film did a good job.

So, let's attempt a ranking, for what it's worth:

1 . Friday the 13th (1980)

2. Friday the 13th (2009)

3. Friday the 13th Part 2 (1981)

4. Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives (1986)

5. Freddy vs Jason (2003)

6. Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter (1984)

7. Friday the 13th Part III (1982)

8. Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood (1988)

9. Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday (1993)

10. Friday the 13th: A New Beginning (1985)

11. Jason X (2002)

12. Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan (1989)

I spent last night going through the videos on the Friday series by the Dead Meat channel. It was interesting to hear a bit of the behind the scenes stuff, though it made me realise how "wild west" some of those earlier ones were, and definitely not in a good way. Some of that was a bit depressing (one guy was - without his permission - given drugs to make him happy during a scene that was uncomfortable for him for example). I was happy to learn how nice the set for Part 6 was at least, because that was a favourite of mine to watch. And even on the more terrible set environments (ie Part 4) there was a camaraderie between the cast to offset that (the boys in that movie decided to strip during the skinny dipping scene because they didn't think the girls should be the only ones naked, the actor playing Jason threatened to quit if the girl in the inflatable raft wasn't looked after better during that scene, etc.)

Anyway, I got to thinking, because James says something in his review of Freddy vs Jason that stuck with me. He said, in regard to the teen characters: "I think these jerks are just a product of their time: the early 2000s had a nasty cynicism and that nihilistic sarcasm bleeds through here."

It made me realise that's why I was probably initially not that interested in watching so many of these "group of teens get slashed" type movies from the 80s, because I was coming of age in the late 90s and early 00s where this cynicism WAS rife (I didn't even consider this until someone else pointed it out, it was that ingrained into the culture at the time), and as much as I was fascinated with horror, I hated the teen/20 something characters that populated these films that were just so unpleasant. The feeling was always that people would give in to the worst aspects of human nature, no one really cared about each other etc. So I was like: "I don't want to watch whole franchises of that kind of thing", only to realise that when I did, that's not necessarily the case in the 70s and 80s at all, but it's how we looked back at that kind of thing from the 00s, if that makes sense.

The thing is, when it was done well back then, it WAS enjoyable (ie Scream, Daria), but everyone was doing it then and not everyone was doing it well, and it just felt unpleasant, then heading into the torture porn era just cemented that feeling. I just watched The Cabin in the Woods the other night for the first time and I loved how that basically mocked a lot of that kind of thing and it's actually a nice way to cap off a very cynical decade.

So, yeah, that was interesting to me and did make me think about the way I had started cultivating what I liked and didn't in horror.

I still gotta say I enjoyed Freddy vs Jason greatly though. And being removed from that time now (ie not being the age of those characters anymore) it doesn't bother me so much. I'm more likely to think: "Oh look, someone's trying to be edgy" haha.

Oh and for R68 ("Both of those lines dropped like a thud. They should have cut it out.") in the Dead Meat series, James shows the writers of Freddy vs Jason saying explicitly that those were not lines they wrote - like, they seriously wanted people to know they wouldn't write those lines. What happened it seems is that they wrote the script, and it was too long. So the studio hired a third guy to come in and edit it and add and replace a few things to tighten the film up.

[Quote] That girl's tits were disgusting by the way.

They looked fine to me. But the sex scene went on for way too long.

[Quote] I just watched The Cabin in the Woods the other night for the first time and I loved how that basically mocked a lot of that kind of thing and it's actually a nice way to cap off a very cynical decade.

I got to revisit it. Bradley was fantastic but Chris Hemsworth also had good comedic timing.

[Quote] What happened it seems is that they wrote the script, and it was too long. So the studio hired a third guy to come in and edit it and add and replace a few things to tighten the film up.

Interesting....

[quote]But the sex scene went on for way too long.

Agreed, and it seems like this is a very common comment among pretty much all people who reviewed this film, including people who otherwise loved it, and who love seeing boobs on screen. Also, when you're gay you notice how all the sex in this film is filmed is such a way to barely see any of the guy, so it's particularly boring. I did still enjoy this film though all up.

R69 you do realize it was Kelly Rowland’s IDEA to call Freddy a faggot?

It wasn’t in the script, she adlibbed it and on one of the F13 documentaries, Crystal Lake Memories, the writers of FVJ were interviewed and they weren’t happy at all that she said that and they left it in, they practically apologized to people

R76 If they weren't happy with that line, why keep it in the movie? And why did Kelly think it was a good idea? She's not even straight lol

R77 the producers kept it in, they had no idea that Kelly made up the line and that it was left until the premiere and they were pissed

As for Kelly, it’s perfectly acceptable for a woman to be gay or bisexual and bash gay men according to society

She should probably stick to playing possessed pop stars.

Hey, R76, no I didn't realise that! I did see the interview with the writer's who very clearly wanted everyone to know that they wouldn't write a line like that. But when I saw this, it was portrayed in the sense that it was the third writer brought in who'd made those changes, I never heard that Kelly had ad-libbed it.

Been listening to this all morning :)

"Crystal Lake Memories" is a good documentary if you like the "Friday the 13th" series. It covers just about everything related to the franchise. And yes, the screenwriters for "Freddy vs. Jason" make it clear the slur was not their idea. I haven't heard it was an ad-lib, either. I was under the impression another writer who worked on the script added it.

Meanwhile, "Friday the 13th" (2009) is stylish and well made. But it isn't as intense and scary as the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" remake Marcus Nispel also directed in 2003. That may be the nature of the two franchises, but the "Friday" remake feels like it doesn't go hard enough on being truly terrifying. Jason having an underground lair and taking prisoners is also strange considering his behavior in the rest of the series.

I'll have to check out the Texas Chainsaw remake sometime soon R82, I enjoyed the original, as horrible as it made me feel (I liked that though, because I realised what a great job Tobe Hooper did there, I was kinda marvelling while watching it).

I think tonight I will watch the My Bloody Valentine remake. I've not seen the original, can't find it anywhere, but I have heard the remake is a good one.

Thanks for the advice on the documentary too, I will definitely check it out. The clip I saw I think was from that documentary, and like you I didn't hear that the line was ad-libbed, but I did see the writers very earnestly wanting us to know it was not their line.

I think I agree with you on the Friday remake. I thought it did build up some tension, but on thinking over it, it was more with the cold opening that I'm talking about, than the main part of the movie. I did like it though, as I said, and I heard recently the whole lawsuit thing has been cleared up so I really hope they do a well made sequel or another remake. I prefer this kind of thing to the horror of recent times that takes itself, in my opinion, a bit too seriously.

I do prefer the Texas remake to the Friday one. I also love that the two actors from Supernatural each played the lead in a horror reboot and it basically put them off of doing movies again because it was too much work.

[quote]I also love that the two actors from Supernatural each played the lead in a horror reboot and it basically put them off of doing movies again because it was too much work.

Haha, is that so? I guess they were on to a good thing with Supernatural then? (never seen that show, myself).

Can't believe my 30 day trial period is up already, but feel pretty proud of myself that I got all watched I wanted to, and more. At least now I have a better handle on this period of pop culture too. Stan's really good, probably the best of the streaming platforms I've seen so far (I'm not a big television watcher, believe it or not). Just can't justify that cost every month, while I'm saving for a deposit. Maybe will sign up again later though.

[Quote] Haha, is that so? I guess they were on to a good thing with Supernatural then? (never seen that show, myself).

Somewhat? The fans are batshit and the show was ok for the first couple of seasons. But it went on for way too long and the actors have made a ridiculous amount of money just from attending SPN cons.

[Quote] Stan's really good, probably the best of the streaming platforms I've seen so far (I'm not a big television watcher, believe it or not).

I would have to agree. It always takes me forever to pick what i want to watch.

Has anyone ever watched the fan films of Friday the 13th that are on YouTube? I just watched this one tonight - there is a fun surprise appearance towards the end.

It's funny, the more time goes on, the higher that Nightmare on Elm Street 2 goes on my list of favourites from that series. I guess it's the gayness of it, but I find myself thinking of that film and remembering the details of it much more than many of the others in that series that I initially ranked higher.