Continuation of the "Remember the Murdaugh Family...?" thread.
Murdaugh, She Wrote
|by Anonymous||reply 553||September 17, 2021 4:25 PM|
“By the kennel, with a shotgun and assault rifle, Alec and unknown assailant.”
|by Anonymous||reply 1||September 8, 2021 7:17 PM|
Tell me again why Paw would kill his family? Paul's death won't stop civil suits against Paw.
re Maw: Isn't a divorce easier than murder? He had the means to rebuild his estate after divorce
IMO there remains the possibility the Beach family took out Paul and Maw
|by Anonymous||reply 2||September 8, 2021 7:30 PM|
^ Simple, a divorce with Maw leads Maw's attorneys to investigate Paw's money, for purposes of an equitable property settlement. Paw had a real motive for killing Maw, and maybe Sonny got whacked because wrong place, wrong time. Paw had, in fact, the BEST motive for murder.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||September 8, 2021 7:39 PM|
^^ Interesting. This makes Maw his primary target, not Paul as originally speculated
|by Anonymous||reply 4||September 8, 2021 7:42 PM|
According to several posts in the last thread, she had already secretly hired a forensic accountant to investigate his finances.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||September 8, 2021 7:47 PM|
^The gist is he would have killed her not simply to avoid having to split his wealth with her, but to prevent her and her attorneys from finding out the truth about his finances (esp. if he had embezzled 1 Million$$ from his law firm). Motive indeed.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||September 8, 2021 7:49 PM|
This is something I found suspicious:
Alex's brother Randy, truly the Forrest Gump of this whole drama, as he keeps popping up, made a point of saying to authorities that when he talked to Alex at the murder scene, Randy was outside with his dogs.
Why throw in that extraneous detail?
Unless you are worried that there is a call out there of you outside with dogs barking--in other words, what the murder scene would sound like.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||September 8, 2021 7:52 PM|
Pa did it!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 8||September 8, 2021 7:54 PM|
[quote](esp. if he had embezzled 1 Million$$ from his law firm).
I'm hearing that it is MUCH more than that.
And if Maggie did hire a forensic accountant, that is your motive to kill her right there.
I wonder if Alex moaning, "Oh, Paaaaul" on the 911 call was because he was really shaken up that he had to kill his son, who had been an unexpected only witness.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||September 8, 2021 7:55 PM|
That was sloppy of Alex to ditch the knife used to slash the tire at the crime scene. (But, then again, people high on Fentanyl don't always make the best decisions, like not to get high on Fentanyl).
So where did the gun go?
I still wonder if he called Randy to take it away after he'd already flung the knife into the woods.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||September 8, 2021 8:08 PM|
OP, I laughed my ass off
|by Anonymous||reply 11||September 8, 2021 8:20 PM|
On horse flies is
In comb bees is
On chest knob is
In knob keys is
|by Anonymous||reply 12||September 8, 2021 8:31 PM|
I, too, believe Randy is involved in some way.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||September 8, 2021 8:35 PM|
Interesting how there is a new leak every day.
It's almost as if law enforcement is no longer scared of Alex's Murdaugh's power.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||September 8, 2021 8:44 PM|
Where's the link to the previous thread, OP.? And the thread title is not helpful.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||September 8, 2021 8:46 PM|
[quote]And the thread title is not helpful.
Oh, DO fuck off.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||September 8, 2021 8:50 PM|
I thought the title was spot on. there are several threads going on this.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||September 8, 2021 8:50 PM|
Previous thread, which was the best one:
|by Anonymous||reply 18||September 8, 2021 8:55 PM|
I think Connie Britton should play Maggie.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||September 8, 2021 8:57 PM|
I thought the title was spot on.
R16, thank you.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||September 8, 2021 9:02 PM|
Featuring Oscar the Grouch as meemaw’s coat.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||September 8, 2021 9:15 PM|
R21 What do you think the kennels were for, darling?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||September 8, 2021 9:35 PM|
Anyone else now rethinking the odd coincidence that Alex's alibi died almost immediately after Maggie and Paul were killed?
Any other case, and I would roll my eyes at such an implication, but this one is different.
A man who can kill a son can kill a father.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||September 8, 2021 9:42 PM|
[Quote] And they love their bird dogs.
What about their spirit dogs?
|by Anonymous||reply 24||September 8, 2021 9:45 PM|
Pawpaw was alibied as being at the hospital visiting his father at the time meemaw and Timmy were killed. Surely, LE wouldn't have gone on Sr's word and corroborated with hospital staff and checked security tapes.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||September 8, 2021 9:58 PM|
Glenn Close as Papa and Meryl Streep as Mama. Or vice-versa.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||September 8, 2021 10:01 PM|
Sorry I can't keep up but just to bring me up to speed: DLers believe Papa did it all - killed his wife&son and faked his shooting in the head. But no official charges against him yet?
|by Anonymous||reply 27||September 8, 2021 10:23 PM|
I’m loving the title and picture for the thread. This is now the official thread because snark is a must.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||September 8, 2021 10:30 PM|
As we all know most addicts lose any semblance of humanity the deeper their addiction gets. its not inconceivable hes so deep into drugs he justified killing Ma and Ugly son to himself. Im thinking he paid someone else to do it and they either asked for more money or threatened him with blackmail. Boy,this story is the gift that keeps on giving.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||September 8, 2021 10:45 PM|
If the Murdaugh marriage was crumbling and Alex wanted to spend his stolen millions on a new wife and a new family... he had a huge motive to get rid of his uncooperative wife. And if he wanted to start with a new wife and a new family, he also needed to get rid of Ramsey Bolton there, that psychopathic little shit would run off a new wife or make sure that any new half-siblings "fell down the stairs"!
I can't believe this story is coming to a fantastically dramatic conclusion, it's been as entertaining as all hell! And one of the more entertaining things about it is seen Alex's peers and relatives throw him under the bus, casting him out is their only hope of maintaining their local oligarchy. If the oligarchy crumbles as it should, I don't suppose there's any chance of egalitarianism breaking out in rural South Carolina, some other asshole will probably step in and take over as the local warlord.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||September 8, 2021 10:47 PM|
I'm Buster taking BBC in the barn
and the garage
and the stables
and the skeet shooting storage shed
|by Anonymous||reply 31||September 8, 2021 10:55 PM|
I'm Mrs. Murdaugh in the dining room with a candlestick
trying to beat a large black man who I caught attempting to rape my young son Buster
|by Anonymous||reply 32||September 8, 2021 10:58 PM|
It's Mrs Maggie, you Yankee!
|by Anonymous||reply 33||September 8, 2021 10:59 PM|
I don't condone this LE talk.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||September 8, 2021 11:00 PM|
All I know is...
Mister Buster, he stop me and
he offer me a nickel if I bust up this chifforobe
then he start taking off his clothes and moaning and acting strange...
|by Anonymous||reply 35||September 8, 2021 11:03 PM|
No one has been clear enough on the most important question. What is the connection between the Murdaugh family and La Senatrice?
South Carolina is a small state. SURELY they were in cahoots together.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||September 8, 2021 11:14 PM|
Oh I'm sure Alex knows Belle Lindsey.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||September 8, 2021 11:21 PM|
Holy crap, r12 - I TOTALLY remember that tune that the loony girl sang.
Wasn’t it the same as (or very close to) the theme song of NPR’s All Things Considered?
Every time it came on the radio I’d get a chuckle, but could never remember the exact ‘lyrics’.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||September 8, 2021 11:25 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 39||September 9, 2021 12:10 AM|
"Peg" to country club fur friends.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||September 9, 2021 12:11 AM|
I noticed to Daily Fail always refers to miss Maggie as “Margaret.”
|by Anonymous||reply 41||September 9, 2021 1:03 AM|
[quote] needed to get rid of Ramsey Bolton there
Made me spit out the Paloma I was drinking.
But then I had to raise a toast to R35.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||September 9, 2021 1:25 AM|
Connie Britten for Miz Maggie and the guy who played Ramsey Bolton for Paul, inspired casting. I can’t think of anyone good for Paw Murtaugh except a lit jack o’ lantern.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||September 9, 2021 2:52 AM|
[quote]It's Mrs Maggie, you Yankee!
Southerners would call her "Miss Maggie" you Yankee-adjacent fool.
Unless they knew her from way back. Then, they would have a pet name that had nothing to do with her real name, like "shug."
|by Anonymous||reply 44||September 9, 2021 3:02 AM|
CDAN blind from earlier today:
"Blind Item #6
This cable channel sure can pick them. Apparently a major source of income from this now former cast member of a southern reality show was the money she received from the patriarch of this crime family which is going to have about twenty books and made for television movies about it in the next year or two. Although a current cast member definitely yachts, apparently she never hooked up with the guy for money. However, they did share a drug dealer and also got their prescriptions from the same doctors."
|by Anonymous||reply 45||September 9, 2021 3:06 AM|
R44, I’m guessing Miss Maggie was “Slim,” “Mags,” or “Sister” back in the day.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||September 9, 2021 3:24 AM|
This picture of him is particularly creepy. He looks a bit like a bloated Ed Sheeran.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||September 9, 2021 3:27 AM|
Ain’t enough money in the world to fuck that bloated jack o lantern lookin muthafucka!
|by Anonymous||reply 48||September 9, 2021 3:30 AM|
Renee Zellweger, from Texas, could play Ma Murdaugh.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||September 9, 2021 3:32 AM|
Being dead must be a relief for Maggie - sparing her looking at that red-headed doughboy beast climbing on top of her and pawing her lady parts.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||September 9, 2021 3:34 AM|
[quote]Being dead must be a relief for Maggie - sparing her looking at that red-headed doughboy beast climbing on top of her and pawing her lady parts.
Oh, honey . . . he stopped doing that years ago.
That's why Miss Maggie got her a forensic accountant.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||September 9, 2021 3:41 AM|
So the remaining son now makes a mint off of all the insurance and story rights.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||September 9, 2021 4:17 AM|
Gay son Buster needs to hook up with Oprah for a tell-all.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||September 9, 2021 4:27 AM|
She birthed those homely gingers.
That’s enough reason to kill the missus.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||September 9, 2021 4:36 AM|
He really is a goblin. That Grandpa Munster smile and those dead black eyes.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||September 9, 2021 4:40 AM|
Dead black eyes you say? How about Jan from Drag Race to play Alex then?
|by Anonymous||reply 56||September 9, 2021 4:43 AM|
God, I'm so tired of posts like R29, which clearly delve into their OWN drug addictions and bringing up anything and everything about drugs based on one sentence of him checking into rehab.
Stop trying to give drugs a bad name - this was more than that!
|by Anonymous||reply 57||September 9, 2021 4:47 AM|
Apologies if this has been noted previously….
“Multiple sources familiar with the investigation into the Alex Murdaugh shooting have confirmed that the knife used to puncture a run-flat tire on his SUV has been recovered.
That knife has been linked to Alex Murdaugh.”
|by Anonymous||reply 58||September 9, 2021 4:59 AM|
What am I missing?
Why did Pa go into rehab after being released from the hospital, issuing a statement saying, “I ask for prayers as I rehabilitate myself and my relationships”?
|by Anonymous||reply 59||September 9, 2021 5:06 AM|
This thread title is SHIT because it doesn't reference the previous thread. Nor did OP provide a link.
Don't start threads if you don't know DL Traditions.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||September 9, 2021 5:36 AM|
^ Pa, is that you?
|by Anonymous||reply 61||September 9, 2021 5:43 AM|
R52, once restitution is made to the law firm's trust accounts, I am pretty sure we'll see Buster shambling down the beach highway, wearing nothing more than a barrel. There isn't going to be any piles of money anywhere.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||September 9, 2021 12:52 PM|
[quote]That knife has been linked to Alex Murdaugh.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||September 9, 2021 1:28 PM|
A ten year old could have planned this "attempted murder" better. And addiction is not an excuse, I've pulled some brilliant capers while under the influence.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||September 9, 2021 2:17 PM|
That "attempted murder" scene was so vaudeville! And stop blaming the goddamn pills. I sang to a sold-out Carnegie Hall on more pills than that Irish gargoyle has ever taken in a whole year! That's what STARS do!
|by Anonymous||reply 65||September 9, 2021 2:36 PM|
I'm sure Buster already has trust funds set-up for him, so the firm will probably file a claim against their O&D insurance, and the insurance company will go after Alex or his estate.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||September 9, 2021 2:42 PM|
Who is the former reality "star" that Alex was "Big [Ginger] Poppa" for?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||September 9, 2021 2:46 PM|
Looks like his way more attractive brother, Randy was throwing him under the bus earlier today on the Daily Mail for stealing from the law firm. Was he in on it too? This just gets juicier and juicier.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||September 9, 2021 4:08 PM|
I think Randy is up to his eyeballs in Alex's shenanigans.
Randy called Stephen Smith's father to offer to work the case for free. He was also reportedly at the crime scene.
He was "with dogs outside" when Alex called about the murderers. Funny, that sounds like the murder scene.
He was the one Alex called when he was "shot" and the shotgun magically disappeared.
But he may not have known that Alex was stealing money from clients.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||September 9, 2021 4:11 PM|
HBO has announced that they are working on a docuseries about this.
Stupid Deadline reports Alex's story about being shot as if it really happened.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||September 9, 2021 4:13 PM|
An article just published in the DM confirms earlier rumors that his insurance company told him they wouldn't cover any more civil liabilities after paying out half a million to the housekeeper's family. The article says he's facing up to $6 million in judgments from the civil suits over the boating accident and he will be on his own to pay it.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||September 9, 2021 4:14 PM|
I’m still not convinced that Alex and Randy aren’t part of a low lands pedo ring and have damaged all these boys including their own children. I feel like John Marvin isn’t part of it, but that both Randy and Alex fucked with him growing up.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||September 9, 2021 4:19 PM|
[quote]I’m still not convinced that Alex and Randy aren’t part of a low lands pedo ring
I heard from Q that there were silent partners at Comet Pizza. They were seen in a speeding van full of trafficked kids. Hillary Clinton was driving.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||September 9, 2021 4:27 PM|
I think those Black boys are behind all this. At least mixed up in it somehow.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||September 9, 2021 4:28 PM|
With the help of a sketch artist, Alex Murdaugh has released the image of the person who shot him:
|by Anonymous||reply 75||September 9, 2021 4:30 PM|
[quote]I’m still not convinced that Alex and Randy aren’t part of a low lands pedo ring
To hell with you and your lazy virtue signaling.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||September 9, 2021 4:33 PM|
I heard Alex Murdaugh was at the Pizza Express in Woking when his wife and son were killed.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||September 9, 2021 4:43 PM|
Black boys fill me up.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||September 9, 2021 4:58 PM|
Deanna Durbin was Irish?
|by Anonymous||reply 79||September 9, 2021 4:58 PM|
Will Ferrell as Alex Murdaugh.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||September 9, 2021 5:20 PM|
Will Ferrell would be awful.
His "aren't I being amusing right now?" mugging is not what this story needs.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||September 9, 2021 5:30 PM|
I was fascinated by this case a few months ago when the story about the dead girl thrown from the boat started getting renewed attention. Then, the mother and one of the sons died and I got re-interested, but my attention waned soon after. Now, this thing with the father and my ears perked up, but I am just not as invested, oddly.
Burn them all with fire. Give their money to the families of the dead girl and gay boy, and be done with it. Let me know when the miniseries premieres. Thanks.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||September 9, 2021 5:40 PM|
According to the just-released police report, Alex showed NO signs of injury before being airlifted to a hospital. That makes no sense.
The police report also states that he was no on drugs or alcohol. Being are taking this as conclusive proof, but they didn't test him. This just represents what he told them. And he is a liar.
Speaking of liars, it appears that Alex's attorney was lying about the wound to the head. He even got the hospital wrong. I would assume they were making up the airlift story, but the police report says they talked with Alex at the place the helicopter was coming.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||September 9, 2021 5:43 PM|
I expect the Beach's are fairly well off.
I would prefer the real estate go to Stephen Smith's mom, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||September 9, 2021 5:44 PM|
The money is ALL going to repay whatever Paw embezzled. If he was stealing in such a dangerous way, he doesn't HAVE any money of his own.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||September 9, 2021 5:45 PM|
R85 The Beaches have put a cloud on Alex's real estate so he can't sell it before they get a judgment.
I would think the Beaches now come ahead of Alex's law firm or its clients in using those assets to pay any judgment unless Alex had pledged those assets in a hold harmless agreement to the firm previously, which I doubt.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||September 9, 2021 5:50 PM|
Maybe Drew Carey for Pa Murdaugh. Casting always skews young. (E.g., "Mom" is 7 years older than "kids.")
Matt Damon is now 50. I think he would bring some interest to the production.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||September 9, 2021 5:53 PM|
The main case the Beaches have against Alex is he “knowingly” allowed his son to use his boat and did so knowing he was drunk and impaired, putting others at risk. I don’t think that’s going to be so easy to prove, especially since he wasn’t at the oyster roast to have seen first hand his state. The use of Buster’s license is a much stronger case with a long history and well known to all the boaters. Of course Buster doesn’t have much of his own wealth to be extracted.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||September 9, 2021 5:57 PM|
Buster won’t get a dime from any books or movies about this story, unless someone wants to pay him a consulting fee to provide them with insider info. You don’t own your life story and unless they commit libel they can tell it and profit from it without owing you thing.
Kitty Kelley made a career of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||September 9, 2021 5:58 PM|
]quote]The Beaches have put a cloud on Alex's real estate so he can't sell it before they get a judgment.
If Alex was any kind of attorney at all, his personal property is all well-shielded from judgement, either with LLCs or irrevocable trusts. How would the Beaches put a "could" on any of Alex's assets when there has been no judgement?
|by Anonymous||reply 90||September 9, 2021 6:00 PM|
Buster is being sued with Alex Sr. by Mallory's family because he lent Paul his ID to buy the beer. The third defendant is the service station that sold the beer.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||September 9, 2021 6:00 PM|
[quote]How would the Beaches put a "cloud" on any of Alex's assets when there has been no judgment?
They have filed a Lis pendens in court. Which clouds the title until judgment.
But, as someone up thread stated, I would be surprised if the real estate wasn't in either Maggie's name, a trust, or LLC.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||September 9, 2021 6:05 PM|
It seems like everything was in Maggie’s name, here’s the citation for Paul being pulled over and the car’s in mom’s name. It’s sad to hear him talk about his mom giving him the insurance card to put in the car, you know he was such a momma’s boy and she’d defend him until the bitter end, even, I guess, with her life.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||September 9, 2021 6:15 PM|
Buster - Cameron Monaghan
Paul - Will Poulter
Maggie - Patricia Arquette
Alex - Jessie Tyler Ferguson
|by Anonymous||reply 94||September 9, 2021 6:26 PM|
I want Paul and Buster to be played by good looking actors. Alex can be played by a foot for all I care. Oh, and the Stephen should have eyebrows. None of those off duty drag queen stereotypes, please.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||September 9, 2021 6:30 PM|
^R90, I don't know what kind of "cloud" you might be referring to re the Beach family and the Murdaughs' property. You can't place a lis pendens on real estate unless you *actually* have a claim of right to title to the real estate, *not* merely a claim that the other party might owe you monetary damages at the end of a civil law suit. The Beaches have a claim against Timmy, not against Alex, so far as I am aware, although maybe they've gotten creative somehow in hopes of getting Paw's money. Attorney trust accounts are likely to have extra legal protections against theft, and in favor of restitution from those who steal from them (i.e. re priority of repayment of those funds when stolen), but I don't know what those laws are in South Carolina. A constructive trust is likely to be imposed on all of Paw Murdaugh's assets, pending the resolution of his law firm problems. If he stole multiple million$$ from those accounts, he is going to prison for a long time, unless he kills himself first, which is my guess re the likely outcome here. I am willing to bet that legally the repayment of stolen trust account $$ has priority over civil damages possibly payable to the Beaches or to the kid Stephen's family.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||September 9, 2021 6:33 PM|
The family makes that murder together apparently don’t stay together.
Pa murdered Ma. Straight son murders his crush. Gay son also murder a his son.
I bet the other adult brother was in on it and is now throwing the younger brother under the bus in order to protect his assets.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||September 9, 2021 6:44 PM|
[quote] I want Paul and Buster to be played by good looking actors
Agreed. Ugly people for the sake of accuracy won't cut it for the movie or series. The Murdaughs aren't the Kennedys or the Bush family.
Tom-Glynn Carney is my choice for Paul, if it hasn't been suggested already.
Lucas Till (hair dyed red) could be Buster, even though he's a bit old for the part.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||September 9, 2021 6:53 PM|
Murder-a? Did you become Italian all of a sudden?
|by Anonymous||reply 99||September 9, 2021 7:00 PM|
Cast Eric Stoltz for the Daddy in the Sexy Version
|by Anonymous||reply 100||September 9, 2021 7:00 PM|
Bernie Feldstein and brother Jonah Hill as Ma and Pa. I'm sure they could be made to be aged up fairly easy and if it sounds a bit incestuous -- let me tell you, worse things have happened in that family.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||September 9, 2021 7:01 PM|
Yes, I would like them to give Paul/Timmy the Jude Law/Dickie Greenleaf treatment. No uggos need apply.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||September 9, 2021 7:02 PM|
The parents need to be played by GenX actors. That’s the correct group.
Matt Damon for Paw. Winona Ryder in a blonde wig for Miss Maggie. Though Julia Roberts would be better.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||September 9, 2021 7:04 PM|
To me, Will Poulter is very hot, but looks like such a prick, he'd be perfect for Paul.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||September 9, 2021 7:05 PM|
[quote]According to the just-released police report, Alex showed NO signs of injury before being airlifted to a hospital. That makes no sense.
I was hit by a drunk driver. He claimed injury thinking he would avoid arrest if he went with me in the ambulance, leaving the cops at the scene.
He was surprised when the cops met him at the hospital and handcuffed him to the hospital bed.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||September 9, 2021 7:06 PM|
did you live?
|by Anonymous||reply 106||September 9, 2021 7:12 PM|
Anybody auditioning for Paul needs to do so in only boxer shorts and in a very cold room, Lucas Hedges did a play as a psychopathic brother and was supposed to be very good in it and has the natural coloring and gravitas to do well well in the role.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||September 9, 2021 7:13 PM|
For some reason, I can’t link to the article, but the sheriff’s office is now claiming that the “no visible injury” report was just a “computer error.”
|by Anonymous||reply 108||September 9, 2021 7:14 PM|
Lucas Hedges is plain. Paul/Timmy should be hot to death.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||September 9, 2021 7:16 PM|
Kathleen Turner -Meemaw Conan O'Brien - Pawpaw Kathy Griffin - Paul Carrot Top -Buster
|by Anonymous||reply 110||September 9, 2021 7:21 PM|
^^ Kathleen Turner for Maw? Have you seen pics of her lately?
She could have a cameo as the bloated corpse of Miss Beach floating in the water. That would work.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||September 9, 2021 7:33 PM|
The question is where will script writers go with this story? Will it get the straight, dark, skeletons-in-the-closet, "Mare of Eastown" treatment, or will it get more of a campy dark comedy treatment, like "I Love You to Death" or the "Texas Cheerleader Murdering Mom"?
There'll probably be multiple movies; I say do both.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||September 9, 2021 7:33 PM|
R111 -- Brutal, but yet it's the peak Datalounge that I love.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||September 9, 2021 7:35 PM|
I see it as a Broadway musical, actors on roller skaters, dressed as speedboats and pickup trucks, zipping around the theater.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||September 9, 2021 7:35 PM|
I think the Van Sant To Die For angle would be a good take, or Cohen Brothers Blood Simple.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||September 9, 2021 7:37 PM|
But the big question is who will play investigative journalist podcast wannabe Mandy Mately, which actress has the severest level of vocal fry to pull off that role?
|by Anonymous||reply 116||September 9, 2021 7:40 PM|
Bill Skarsgard was born to play Bubba; I know he's too good-looking, but this is Hollywood.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||September 9, 2021 7:40 PM|
Unfortunately, the definitive film can never be made because it would require Divine as Miss Maggie and Jerry Stiller as Alex with John Waters directing.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||September 9, 2021 7:42 PM|
Special appearance by Professor Hauptmann's Performing Dogs as the dogs in the kennel.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||September 9, 2021 7:45 PM|
[quote]You can't place a lis pendens on real estate unless you *actually* have a claim of right to title to the real estate, *not* merely a claim that the other party might owe you monetary damages at the end of a civil law suit.
Lis Pendens is, literally, Latin for "suit pending." It is precisely for damages at the end of a civil lawsuit that is yet to finish.
[quote]The Beaches have a claim against Timmy, not against Alex, so far as I am aware,
You are wrong. They have a suit against Alex (for the boat), Buster (for the fake ID), and the store (for the beers they sold Paul).
[quote]Attorney trust accounts are likely to have extra legal protections against theft,
In this case, apparently not.
[quote]I don't know what those laws are in South Carolina
Yes, that much was pretty clear. Do regale us with more facts you pull out of your ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||September 9, 2021 7:58 PM|
Lainie Kazan as the gas station owner who sells Paul beer.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||September 9, 2021 8:00 PM|
I barely pay attention to these threads, but that title is funny. Well done, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||September 9, 2021 8:01 PM|
[quote]I think the Van Sant To Die For angle would be a good take, or Cohen Brothers Blood Simple.
The problem is that you can't really make a farse or satire out of a story where a real mom and her son were brutally murdered. People know it's about real people and would probably not react well to those murders being made light of.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||September 9, 2021 8:08 PM|
Well now we know the plot for Mama Mia III: Just transfer it to a Greek Island and add some ABBA
|by Anonymous||reply 124||September 9, 2021 8:17 PM|
R120: "In an action affecting the title to real property the plaintiff (a) not more than twenty days before filing the complaint or at any time afterwards or (b) whenever a warrant of attachment under Sections 15-19-10 to 15-19-560 shall be issued or at any time afterwards or a defendant when he sets up an affirmative cause of action in his answer and demands substantive relief, at the time of filing his answer or at any time afterwards if such answer be intended to affect real estate, may file with the clerk of each county in which the property is situated a notice of the pendency of the action, containing the names of the parties, the object of the action and the description of the property in that county affected thereby. If the action be for the foreclosure of a mortgage such notice must be filed twenty days before judgment and must contain the date of the mortgage, the parties thereto and the time and place of recording such mortgage." -South Carolina Code of Laws, Title 15.
The first clause is the operative one, an action "affecting the title to real property". A law suit for civil damages is NOT an action affecting the title to real property. Pure and simple. A lien might arise, but virtue of law AFTER a judgment is entered in a civil case, but this case does not involve claims about the rightful ownership of Murdaugh property. I have had these things removed about 6 times in the past, they are a tortious slander against the owner's title.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||September 9, 2021 8:33 PM|
Lis Pendens for Mrs Maggie?
|by Anonymous||reply 126||September 9, 2021 8:35 PM|
^Not "but" above, but "by operation of law"
|by Anonymous||reply 127||September 9, 2021 8:35 PM|
I am so heartened to see people using meemaw and peepaw in this thread!!
|by Anonymous||reply 128||September 9, 2021 9:13 PM|
One death that seems to get overlooked: Alex’s father. He died a few days after the murders. Alex must have known that he was not long for the world, since he had visited him in the hospital, and also have known that, presumably, he was on the verge of inheriting the serious family money (along with his brother, of course). Alex’s wife would not have had a claim against that asset in a divorce. Of course, Alex could have been so far underwater given his theft from the law firm that wouldn’t have mattered. He’d ruined his life no matter what.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||September 9, 2021 9:21 PM|
I see occasional comments here and other places, like the DM, that imply that Grandpa's death may be suspicious, coming as it did 2 or 3 days after the double murder.
He had terminal, end-stage lung cancer, documented in the medical records and attested to by his doctors. The hospital released him to go home to die one or two days before his death. His death was expected and not suspicious.
I just hope Alex didn't swipe any of his father's meds when he got sent home. The painkillers they give for end-stage cancer are serious business.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||September 9, 2021 9:33 PM|
Meemaw is a role that Irene Dunne could've really sunk her dentures into.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||September 9, 2021 9:45 PM|
R130, I didn’t intend to imply that his death was suspicious, only that the fact that Alex apparently killed his wife and son when he was in the verge of inheriting more money seems surprising. Alex must have really painted himself into a corner; all the money he had embezzled must have been gone.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||September 9, 2021 9:54 PM|
Buster retweeted this. Is this a clue?
“ No. 11, Huh?”
|by Anonymous||reply 133||September 9, 2021 10:04 PM|
I apologize to you, r129 / r132. I don't think I had seen your post when I posted. I was thinking of something I saw in the DM this morning and a couple of Reddit posts I saw this afternoon, as well as earlier posts.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||September 9, 2021 10:08 PM|
[Quote]The hospital released him to go home to die one or two days before his death. His death was expected and not suspicious
If his death was expected, would there be an autopsy? My understanding, at least in California, is that if a person has a terminal condition verified by medical authorities no autopsy is required. Maybe Sr. was expected to linger longer under palliative care and Alex was panicked and needed to get his hands on the money faster? If an autopsy isn't required he could have offed his father thinking he would evade suspicion.
The thought he could have been stealing his father's pain meds is chilling. But in his addict's rationalizing mind he might have told himself that he was helping his father by sending him along to the hunting lodge in the sky and taking the unused pain meds.
I'm wondering if someone from the law firm may have confidentially or anonymously been leaking information to SLED since the time of Maggie and Paul's murders. The missing funds must have been noticed for a while. Imagine working at the firm and being privy to information that solidly implicates a partner in a multiple murder. And if you're an officer of the court, would withholding the information be illegal? It would be a moral dilemma for most of us, maybe for someone at the firm, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||September 9, 2021 10:15 PM|
The firm didn’t know anything was up until quite recently. If they had, the two brothers who are both partners there wouldn’t have gone on Good Morning America.
I’m not saying that they would have turned him in, but they certainly would not have done a national news interview on Alex’s behalf.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||September 9, 2021 10:20 PM|
Where's the gun Paw used to shoot himself?
|by Anonymous||reply 137||September 9, 2021 10:23 PM|
You make excellent points, r135. I know that in New York, at least in the 1980s, if the person had been under medical care and death was expected, no autopsy was required, even for an at home death. A properly signed death certificate by one of his previously attending physicians was all that was required.
Don't ask me how I know this. I'm still trying to forget the 1980s in Manhattan.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||September 9, 2021 10:26 PM|
Generally autopsies are not carried out on those who die of cancer.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||September 9, 2021 10:29 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 140||September 9, 2021 10:31 PM|
Addict? Is there evidence to believe Alex is an addict - rather than rehab just being a stalling tactic?
|by Anonymous||reply 141||September 9, 2021 10:47 PM|
“To Die For” was based on real people. It was a fictionalized account but it was ripped from the headlines
|by Anonymous||reply 142||September 9, 2021 10:49 PM|
"It seems like everything was in Maggie’s name..."
Well, if anyone was looking for a primary motive for murder! A wife with everything in her name, a forensic accountant at her side, and revenge in her heart is too much to face even if you're a crooked lawyer with the judge in your pocket.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||September 9, 2021 10:52 PM|
Also on the list of red flags, multiple sources have told FITSNews that Alex Murdaugh left the scene of the shooting after calling 911 and was allegedly transported via car by an unknown individual to meet emergency medical service providers (and the waiting helicopter).
^ Fitsnews article relating all the discrepancies in the police incident report
|by Anonymous||reply 144||September 9, 2021 10:53 PM|
[quote]I sang to a sold-out Carnegie Hall on more pills than that Irish gargoyle has ever taken in a whole year! That's what STARS do!
"Mama, ish that you?"
"It's me, li'l Lisha, Mama!"
|by Anonymous||reply 145||September 9, 2021 11:09 PM|
Our Gang has made the Washington Post.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||September 9, 2021 11:12 PM|
This reminds me of Boston Dr. Charles Stuart who claimed his pregnant wife was shot by a black assailant while they were in their car. Stuart even shot himself in the stomach to lend credence to his story.
His brother confessed to the police that Charles killed his wife for the insurance money, and when the authorities started closing in, Charles jumped off a bridge into the Mystic River.
Family will do you in, Alex.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||September 9, 2021 11:14 PM|
You could take a bullet and quickly rub it in one direction (like sharpening a knife) across your scalp again and again until it bleeds. You wouldn't need trace gun powder because you are stating they shot you from a distance. Then you give the bullet and gun to who ever picked him up and took him to the helicopter. You would probably need to remove it from it's shell casing first because it wouldn't graze your scalp with the casing intact.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||September 9, 2021 11:14 PM|
The story is all over national news media now, something I don't think they expected or prepared for.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||September 9, 2021 11:16 PM|
FYI Charles Stuart wasn’t a doctor, he was a salesman at a fur store.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||September 9, 2021 11:32 PM|
Yeah, and R150?
|by Anonymous||reply 151||September 9, 2021 11:33 PM|
R144 Let alone everything else, the attempted diversionary tactic of the shooting is a colossal miscalculation on the part of Alex. What a pathetic act of desperation by someone whose world is crashing down on them from all sides with the force of an avalanche.
R147 Charles Stuart was no doctor. He was the general manager at a ritzy fur store in Boston as R150 mentions. Also, some people have speculated that his jump from the Tobin bridge was actually a shove. His wife was an Italian from Medford, MA.
Maybe Alex will meet the same fate?
|by Anonymous||reply 152||September 9, 2021 11:36 PM|
R150, a fur store? What a coincidence.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||September 9, 2021 11:36 PM|
Nancy says cops have collected security camera tape from the church on the road where Alex shot himself. It's the only building on this quiet rural road.
If the cameras were working at the time we may see Alex's timeline and others involved in his charade as they drive by the church.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||September 9, 2021 11:38 PM|
How did his brother confess? The brother was part of the plan?
|by Anonymous||reply 155||September 10, 2021 12:01 AM|
How about Alan Kayer in the role of Alex?
|by Anonymous||reply 156||September 10, 2021 12:12 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 157||September 10, 2021 12:18 AM|
R136 - Wouldn't it be the case that the firm reasonably and justifiably did not alert the brothers of Alex's embezzlement and that the brothers did the GMA interview on their own? Or that the firm didn't stand in their way in the face of a family tragedy? Or they were allowed because you can't say no to the founder's grandson...
How long does it take to discover and verify embezzlement in the eight figures? What would the process involve? There has to be some kind of very hushed investigative work, the dotting of Ps & Qs before accusing the founder's grandson of such treachery, especially since so much weirdness and suspicion surrounds the powerful family. It's not something thrown together and completed in a couple of weeks.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||September 10, 2021 12:19 AM|
R158, the firm has a duty to protect its clients. They have to act promptly.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||September 10, 2021 12:28 AM|
I read somewhere that the alleged mistress had worked for PMPED. Is it possible she was some kind of admin, and helped him do the embezzling?
|by Anonymous||reply 160||September 10, 2021 12:38 AM|
Did the embezzlement occur across years starting with smaller, not so noticeable amounts that escalated until noticed or some recent large sums? Maybe safeguards like audits weren't properly adhered to..
Sorry to be a pest, but it's mind-boggling that this even happened with a client escrow account. Yes, Michael Avenatti stole a quadraplegic's settlement money, but he was in a small two man operation, IIRC.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||September 10, 2021 12:40 AM|
[quote]Alex Murdaugh left the scene of the shooting after calling 911 and was allegedly transported via car by an unknown individual to meet emergency medical service providers
I bet that is the person who got rid of the gun.
And that his name rhymes with Sandy.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||September 10, 2021 12:48 AM|
[Quote]Addict? Is there evidence to believe Alex is an addict
So far as I can tell, the only evidence so far as I can tell is PeePaw's (or PawPaw's?) extraordinary lack of judgment and intelligence (despite the JD) that accompanies an addict's downward slide. Granted, he might be the Prince Harry of his family: extraordinarily stupid with his degree bought for and image protected with family money.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||September 10, 2021 1:00 AM|
[Quote] So far as I can tell, the only evidence so far as I can tell
Have you started Friday drinkie poos early?
|by Anonymous||reply 164||September 10, 2021 1:05 AM|
^Sorry about shitty editing...
Neglected to add that if he really is an addict, it would have been picked up at the hospital -- if he actually went to a real hospital or rehab -- and treated accordingly for withdrawals. He has a temporary HIPAA shield, but not until records are subpoenaed.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||September 10, 2021 1:07 AM|
R164 - Caught me mid-apology! Not yet (sadly 😥). I'm pretty shitty at editing on my phone. Especially on public trans with a screaming infant aboard.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||September 10, 2021 1:12 AM|
R161, I saw this happen in a medium-sized firm. One partner came up with a kick-back scheme in which he collected billings from clients that he did not report to the rest of the firm. This worked for a while because he was having an affair with the head of the accounting department and she falsified billing records for him. Outside auditors did not catch it. The scheme exploded when the firm merged with a larger firm, one that had stronger internal controls. The partner went to prison. When he got out, he got a job teaching legal ethics . . .
|by Anonymous||reply 167||September 10, 2021 1:13 AM|
Nancy's gofer in the area reported that there are multiple mistresses/lovers in this story, but he needs to investigate further before he can confirm. .
He seemed to suggest both Maw and Paw were hitting it on the side.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||September 10, 2021 1:22 AM|
John C. Reilly is the most logical choice so far. It has to be a BIG guy, over 6ft tall....you know he used his size to intimidate people.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||September 10, 2021 1:37 AM|
Oh, I hope Maggie had some hot young studly lovers, that will add a nice element to the limited run series.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||September 10, 2021 1:57 AM|
Mistresses = love child.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||September 10, 2021 1:58 AM|
Alex Murdaugh having mistresses shows the power of a crisp $100 bill.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||September 10, 2021 2:04 AM|
Locals, look around and see if there are any wayward gingers who might be Alex’s love children.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||September 10, 2021 2:06 AM|
[quote] he justified killing Ma and Ugly son
Does your browser suffer from low resolution? ‘Ugly son’ would apply to both. In fact, I’d say Paul was marginally LESS ugly!
lol! I’m stealing that.
[quote] Mister Buster, he stop me and he offer me a nickel if I bust up this chifforobe then he start taking off his clothes and moaning and acting strange...
When a thread quotes Game of Thrones AND To Kill a Mockingbird, you know it’s a DL classic!
[quote] He seemed to suggest both Maw and Paw were hitting it on the side
I’m betting Stephen, the nursing student, was in the mix somewhere.
[quote] Alex Murdaugh having mistresses shows the power of a crisp $100 bill
Rest assured: it took more than A $100 bill!
|by Anonymous||reply 174||September 10, 2021 2:15 AM|
What the fuck is a Ramsey Bolton?
|by Anonymous||reply 175||September 10, 2021 2:18 AM|
I think someone (r174) is drunk.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||September 10, 2021 2:20 AM|
We need more gay in this story.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||September 10, 2021 2:21 AM|
I do think the death of Grandpa Murdaugh was suspicious. Yes, I realized he was old and had a terminal illness. However, maybe Alex couldn't wait for nature to take its course. Not a strong suspicion, but with everything else that's happened, not completely out of left field.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||September 10, 2021 2:36 AM|
Agree R178, Paw Murder seems capable of helping his pawpaw to the grave.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||September 10, 2021 2:39 AM|
For ease of casting, just take the Weasley family from the Harry Potter franchise. Ugly redheads who are available for work.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||September 10, 2021 2:48 AM|
Let’s go shopping!
|by Anonymous||reply 181||September 10, 2021 2:50 AM|
R181 OMG this can’t possibly be real can it? This is some elaborate joke right?
|by Anonymous||reply 182||September 10, 2021 2:53 AM|
R182, Apparently it’s real. The dead Beach girl had one too according to someone on Reddit.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||September 10, 2021 2:58 AM|
Do you think he’s going to be selling Paul’s clothes on Psohmark?
|by Anonymous||reply 184||September 10, 2021 3:00 AM|
R181, holy shit! I’m gobsmacked. He’s been a “posher” since 2018.
I’m cracking up at the size 40 belt and all those XXL shirts.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||September 10, 2021 3:01 AM|
I had wealthy students selling clothes online.
Granny gift and...ugh...sell.
Some kicks businesspeople.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||September 10, 2021 3:03 AM|
It says he was active on the site 6 hours ago.
Poor Buster. I read a comment that he’s with family in Arizona.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||September 10, 2021 3:03 AM|
I feel sympathetic towards Buster. He's the one that's possibly gay. No one has said anything negative about him. Could not have been easy growing up in that family. Maybe he does need to liquidate some items. Both parents are dead. How does he have access to money, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||September 10, 2021 3:04 AM|
Wait a minute... "both parents are dead"???
Did Alex die and I missed it?
|by Anonymous||reply 189||September 10, 2021 3:07 AM|
R188, I haven’t heard anything bad about him, either. He let his asshole brother use his ID, but he was probably afraid of him.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||September 10, 2021 3:07 AM|
Sorry, R189, not both parents dead. One parent dead, the other somewhat incapacitated. Dad's in no position right now to be a solid presence for Buster.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||September 10, 2021 3:08 AM|
R187 R188, I’m with you both. I feel bad for the guy. Not bad enough to not post his poshmark link, but still, pretty bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||September 10, 2021 3:09 AM|
That Buster is selling his old clothes on Poshmark is possibly the saddest part of all of this. I’m just speechless.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||September 10, 2021 3:27 AM|
Kids have been doing it for years. Even in Vance County in 2008.
Let Granny see you wear it a couple times.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||September 10, 2021 3:30 AM|
I don't think it's that big of a deal to be selling stuff on Poshmark. I would do it, but I have a capsule-type wardrobe right now.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||September 10, 2021 3:32 AM|
Yeah, I feel kinda sorry for Buster, even though he's probably just another spoiled rich douche in reality. But he's caught up in this mess, even though it seems that he's never done anything worse than loan this driver's license to his underaged brother. But here he's lost half his family to murder and his only remaining immediate relative to a web of crime and punishment, he's going to have to deal with shit he possibly can't be prepared for.
Immediate family gone, status gone, place in his local community changed forever, inheritance undoubtedly gone, and he doesn't even have the anonymity of a regular person to fall back on. Unless he's got enough of a trust fund to haul off for Brazil or the Cayman Islands, he's going to have to try to support himself while being infamous through no fault of his own.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||September 10, 2021 3:43 AM|
R194, not straight Southern ones. Seriously, why even go to the trouble for $15 bucks a shirt? I could understand some girl selling higher-end accessories that could actually bring in some cash but no one I known would bother for $10-$20 bucks.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||September 10, 2021 3:43 AM|
Dude, was in Vance for five years. Yes, they all sold clothes or hair or wtf ever.
And in every county since.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||September 10, 2021 3:49 AM|
How the fuck do you think I know where Epsom is?
|by Anonymous||reply 199||September 10, 2021 3:50 AM|
I don’t understand this Vance County thing. I don’t understand the connection and where is Epsom?
|by Anonymous||reply 200||September 10, 2021 3:52 AM|
Ha! Speaking of teaching in Vance. Some kid from then and there following my teacher twitter has on Onlyfans and dirty Twitter, wit good reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||September 10, 2021 3:53 AM|
TW, so fuck up. Own it. You already did.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||September 10, 2021 3:54 AM|
I have absolutely no idea what your talking about.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||September 10, 2021 3:58 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 204||September 10, 2021 4:11 AM|
[quote]...the dotting of Ps & Qs
Oh Dear, R158
|by Anonymous||reply 205||September 10, 2021 4:13 AM|
Buster is being sued by the Beach family because he lent his license to his brother before the accident. I guess he could always say Paul took it without his knowledge.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||September 10, 2021 4:23 AM|
So what became of all the millions Alex stole? The family lived like rich provincials but not billionaires, and he can't have been fool enough to spend it all on his mistresses. Is it all in a secret account in the Caymans, or has it all gone to blackmail payments?
Betcha fifty bucks that Randy turns out to have stolen from clients as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||September 10, 2021 4:55 AM|
I wouldn’t feel so sorry for Buster just yet. I know we all feel Alex killed the gay kid, but wasn’t Buster the one who was linked to him romantically? Buster knows something and isn’t fessing up.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||September 10, 2021 10:08 AM|
This morning's DM quotes one of Alex's lawyers as saying Alex was seriously injured in the roadside shooting with a skull fracture and bleeding in the brain and the Sheriff's report that said "no visible injury" has been amended.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||September 10, 2021 10:36 AM|
^ And the layer flatly denies that the injury was self inflicted.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||September 10, 2021 10:40 AM|
^ lawyer, not layer
|by Anonymous||reply 211||September 10, 2021 10:43 AM|
Man, I wish we could send my no-nonsense New England Yankee mother down there to straighten things out. She’d filet out all open and expose the truth in about two hours. Those lying lawyers and cops would be shamefaced and stammering apologies for their fuckery.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||September 10, 2021 11:41 AM|
R196 Worse yet, he has his father's face.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||September 10, 2021 11:54 AM|
OK, Grandpappy Murdough started the grift; Alex & Randy inherited and added to it.
Paul/Timmy fucked it all up dwarf tossing the maid and then motor boating his ex.
Immediate funds were needed from a wife who had her own accountant.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||September 10, 2021 11:57 AM|
R206 There are boater depositions already, I think Morgan, where they talk about Paul meeting up with Buster to get his driver’s license from him and Buster being mad that he needs to use his Passport to get into bars.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||September 10, 2021 12:18 PM|
Didn’t Randy IV offer his legal services to the family of Steven Smith when he was killed? Since one or both of the sons were rumored to be involved, was this an attempt to control/bury the case or was he already trying to oust Alex?
|by Anonymous||reply 216||September 10, 2021 1:59 PM|
Here's the Randy/Steven story:
"The files show that a Murdaugh family member, a personal injury lawyer, called the Smith family on the day Stephen Smith was found dead, offering to represent them at no charge. The family told police they thought the offer was “weird.”
It won't link correctly so check the story on 'The Island Packet'
|by Anonymous||reply 217||September 10, 2021 2:16 PM|
I call BS on Alexs attorney's claims about the nature of Alex's wounds from the shooting Entry and exit wounds?
Bullet entry and exit wounds to the head generally require surgery to remove bone fragments on the brain. This is what happened to my brother who was accidently hit in the head with a golf club.
One isn't released so quickly from hospital with these types of head wounds. Often a mesh has to be inserted to close the hole in the skull.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||September 10, 2021 4:01 PM|
It’s obvious Randy assumed the role of a fixer in the immediate aftermath of the death of Smith. Better a Murdaugh on the case pronto rather than a hostile lawyer who starts snooping around à la detective Columbo and starts opening up a can of worms.
There are so many angles to this whole story that it's hard to keep track of all the details.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||September 10, 2021 6:34 PM|
I hope the Smith family sues that podunk police department for all they are worth.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||September 10, 2021 7:30 PM|
Here's Mike's (That Chapter) update and re-cap of the Murdaugh events. I'm not done watching it, but thought others might want to check this out.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||September 10, 2021 7:56 PM|
Jesse Plemons to play Pa Murdaugh in the Lifetime movie
|by Anonymous||reply 222||September 11, 2021 3:10 AM|
Reddit has posted a photo of the Mercedes Benz and it looks like it was Miz Maggie’s car, FWIW.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||September 11, 2021 2:12 PM|
R223 It sounds like a lot of their vehicles were from the law office, I assume they asked him to turn them in when he was terminated on that Friday.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||September 11, 2021 2:15 PM|
Where did the rumor come from that Maw had secretly hired a forensic accountant? That’s not really how that works, they aren’t private detectives. Forensic accountants need to obtain access to e.g. bank records to do their job; they are usually retained by law firms doing discovery. Accountants don’t have subpoena power.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||September 11, 2021 2:25 PM|
R225 Maggie may have hired a divorce attorney.
And subpoenas wouldn't be necessary to do preliminary work. Maggie could have given the forensic accountants copies of her and Alex's bank statements. And other documents she may have found rifling through Alex's drawers and briefcase.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||September 11, 2021 2:28 PM|
Nowhere does it say that Maggie "secretly" hired a forensic accountant. That was an extra bit of typical DL drama that was added-in along the way. I'm sure it was done in connection to the civil suits against the family, in an effort to determine what could be shielded from judgements.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||September 11, 2021 2:56 PM|
Nowhere does it say that Maggie "secretly" hired a forensic accountant. That was an extra bit of typical DL drama that was added-in along the way. I'm sure it was done in connection to the civil suits against the family, in an effort to determine what could be shielded from judgements.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||September 11, 2021 2:56 PM|
[quote]I'm sure it was done in connection to the civil suits against the family, in an effort to determine what could be shielded from judgments.
That would call for just regular accountants.
To hire *forensic* accountants to look at Alex's finances meant that Maggie suspected illegal activities in her own family. It had nothing to do with the lawsuit against them.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||September 11, 2021 3:31 PM|
Maggie was going to be the whistleblower for PIMPED law firm and they all had her killed!
|by Anonymous||reply 230||September 11, 2021 3:38 PM|
Peg and lawyer bro were fucking!
|by Anonymous||reply 231||September 11, 2021 3:58 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 232||September 11, 2021 4:00 PM|
Who is Peg? Did I miss something?
|by Anonymous||reply 233||September 11, 2021 4:15 PM|
Peg = Margaret = Mrs Maggie
|by Anonymous||reply 234||September 11, 2021 4:17 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 235||September 11, 2021 4:18 PM|
Clearly, Alex killed her for the car.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||September 11, 2021 4:22 PM|
Oh, thanks. Didn't realize Peg was a nickname for Margaret
|by Anonymous||reply 237||September 11, 2021 4:23 PM|
The pics of Buster in his tux, and in his camos with his homies must have been really old, because the pic where he's selling his used clothes and his size 40! belt shows he's more the size of Chrissy Metz. Why isn't there more intel on Buster? C'mon DL.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||September 11, 2021 4:26 PM|
[Quote] Miss Maggie
Commenters from her hometown referred to her as Mrs Maggie in their commiserations.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||September 11, 2021 4:29 PM|
Well, South Carolinians continue to confirm their stupidity.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||September 11, 2021 4:37 PM|
The most telling thing about Buster is this belt he sold. It makes Aaron Schock's belts look butch.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||September 11, 2021 5:00 PM|
R241 One of you bitches is going to buy that, aren't you??
|by Anonymous||reply 242||September 11, 2021 5:09 PM|
Meet your "posher", Buster! He loves Lululemon.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||September 11, 2021 5:10 PM|
I don't like menz no more.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||September 11, 2021 5:12 PM|
I know the casting suggestions are annoying as fuck, and I know I don’t work in show biz, however, would those of you here on DL who do work in show biz, as in those of you in front of the cameras, those of you behind the cameras and those of you who put the whole thing together behind the scenes, please allow me to humbly offer a peon’s perspective?
This is a very, EXTRA special gem of a story. A once every decade or even quarter of a century doozie.
Hollywood, MUST lean into this with wild abandon because this production deserves an out of this world finished product. One that is as insane and as unbelievable, absolutely impossible but true, full production that competes with the real story that is a rarest of rare gem.
Casting for Pa Alex and Ma Maggie?
Alec Baldwin as Pa.
Kim Bassinger as Ma.
Insane Icing on the cake? Justin Bieber as Paul/Timmy.
Whaddya’ll think? Can those two (Alec and Kim) be in the same room and make this happen?
HBO has to be THE ONE who packs this puppy up and delivers the goods to us all. No Apple or some Ryan bullshit. Sorry Ryan. You need a 15 minute smoke/snack break, as required by law - because your shit’s a tad tired, Mr. Murphy. No hate. Just true.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||September 11, 2021 5:15 PM|
[quote]I know the casting suggestions are annoying as fuck
So you offer casting suggestions.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||September 11, 2021 5:18 PM|
If this isn’t a casting agent’s fevered, DL WHET dream, what is???
Tell me there are two actors more suited for these two roles out there, than these two….
|by Anonymous||reply 247||September 11, 2021 5:20 PM|
Well, it would finally give Alec the chance to let go and eat to his heart’s content, not all that healthy newagey shit Hilaria makes him eat
|by Anonymous||reply 248||September 11, 2021 5:28 PM|
Alec and Kim would rehearse with live ammunition.
|by Anonymous||reply 249||September 11, 2021 5:30 PM|
Who the fuck would want to be called "Buster"?
It's such an awful name. It sounds like a spoiled brat from the 1920s.
Even if it were a family name, I would go by something else.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||September 11, 2021 5:32 PM|
Alec eats and drinks what he likes. He's the breadwinner and his stomach tells the tale.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||September 11, 2021 5:33 PM|
Even fat, Alec Baldwin is not unattractive enough to play Alex Murdaugh. Ditto Kim/Mrs Maggie.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||September 11, 2021 5:33 PM|
Baldwin is WAY too good-looking for Alex, even by Hollywood standards. And they look nothing alike.
And Connie Britton is a much better match for looks/age than Kim Bassinger.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||September 11, 2021 5:33 PM|
R236, my idea’s brilliant, and I RARELY stick my nose in behind the scenes Hollywood shit except for the occasional star sighting or some 90s or 00s HW party or event I attended, in which I usually say something nice unless I had a horrible experience and say otherwise.
I gossip and talk shit with the rest of em here which means jack shit and is worthless AF.
But Alec and Kim would be perfect casting and would do this inevitable production justice x 1,000,000.00, as it’s as FUCKING TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE AND UNBELIEVABLE AF, just like the REAL story and the REAL Murdaughs.
I’d pay for a fucking HBO subscription for that one. Any HBO holdout would. Zip it up with Justin Bieber? You’ve just secured the all demographics bag, as soon as you cast some REAL decent and deserving acting talent for the black hunting posse Buster Murdaugb runs with. He loves BBC, he’s a southern down low gayling who is probably the one behind Stephen smith’s murder and come to think of it, perhaps Bieber should play him, because there’s WAY more behind Buster than we are being told and meets the eye.
For certain Buster is no innocent choir boy here and is being protected. He’s not psycho Paul/Timmy level fucked up, but he IS fucked up according to MANY locals and it hasn’t anything to do with him being a closeted gayling who has every right to love his own posse BBC.
This story is juicer than any BBC ever. Let’s do it some mother fucking southern justice… Hollywood style.
R246. Love u and fuck off. 🖕🏽
|by Anonymous||reply 254||September 11, 2021 5:38 PM|
Also, apologies to R236, as my comment @ R254 was for R246, not you..
|by Anonymous||reply 255||September 11, 2021 5:42 PM|
I’d rather see present day partners Jesse Plemons and Kristen Dunst in the roles. They maybe on the young side, but I’m hoping there’s lots of back story told as well and they can be aged up as it goes.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||September 11, 2021 5:49 PM|
I like the Connie Britton suggestion
|by Anonymous||reply 257||September 11, 2021 5:55 PM|
R252, R253, of course Baldwin is WAAAY TOO good looking to play Pa Murdaugh, but that’s not what HW casting is all about, as Alec did this role justice every fucking Saturday night…
And Kim is his ex with an infamous and tabloid worthy and covered acrimonious divorce from Alex. She also comes with legit HW noms and/or awards in her laundry basket.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||September 11, 2021 5:57 PM|
Brett Butler could use a job.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||September 11, 2021 5:59 PM|
R259 As Grandpappy’s wife with dementia?
|by Anonymous||reply 260||September 11, 2021 6:01 PM|
[quote]Brett Butler could use a job.
She could have a cameo as Mallory Beach, bloated and knocked against a pier for a week.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||September 11, 2021 6:04 PM|
[quote]my idea’s brilliant
Bless your heart.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||September 11, 2021 6:05 PM|
Oh, yeah because Mrs Maggie was SO attractive...
|by Anonymous||reply 263||September 11, 2021 6:06 PM|
Catherine Keener for Maggie. She has the ruddy skin tone.
|by Anonymous||reply 264||September 11, 2021 6:16 PM|
Meemaw - Marlorie Main / Pawpaw - Danny Trejo / Buster - Billy Laughlin / Paul - Robert Blake
|by Anonymous||reply 265||September 11, 2021 6:17 PM|
Keener is too Irish. Mrs Maggie looked Jewish.
|by Anonymous||reply 266||September 11, 2021 6:31 PM|
They should just bail on filming the third season of Outerbanks and coop all that prep and locations for the limited run series. They can even use the cast as the boating victims and the black guy can be one of Buster’s hunting “friends.” It’s all filmed in that area already because though set in North Carolina they had the chutzpah to not film there because of the Trans bathroom crap.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||September 11, 2021 6:31 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 268||September 11, 2021 6:32 PM|
For the musical:
Alison Jiear as Maggie
Ben Platt as Timmay
Jonah Hill as Alex
Andy Richter as Buster
|by Anonymous||reply 269||September 11, 2021 6:57 PM|
Ben Platt is 30 years old!
|by Anonymous||reply 270||September 11, 2021 6:58 PM|
And he's currently playing 17.
What's your point? You know he dies in the second act, right?
|by Anonymous||reply 271||September 11, 2021 7:11 PM|
Let's not cast no moh!
We have sufficient.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||September 11, 2021 7:43 PM|
If no one sees Ben Platt play 17...
|by Anonymous||reply 273||September 11, 2021 7:55 PM|
LOL at Buster's closet. The irony is unreal.
|by Anonymous||reply 274||September 11, 2021 7:58 PM|
Maggie would perform the power ballad
"Lurv Under The Combine Lights"
In which she dreams she had to elope with her childhood short bus friend Boweavil and avoid psychotic ginger semen.
|by Anonymous||reply 275||September 11, 2021 8:01 PM|
I wonder if Buster has taken up needlepoint, r241. I imagine he could use a distraction.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||September 11, 2021 8:17 PM|
Bring on the mistresses and lovers on the side for spice.
Lorraine Bracco for Alex's ballsy, bourbon-swigging whore.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||September 11, 2021 8:17 PM|
Is Gary Clayton too old for Stephen Smith? I think he could pull it off better than Ben Platt as Paul.
|by Anonymous||reply 278||September 11, 2021 8:20 PM|
I am forcing Ben Platt to be cast as teenagers for the remainder of his acting career.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||September 11, 2021 8:35 PM|
The bit about a forensic accountant came from Nancy Grace, so make of that what you will.
|by Anonymous||reply 280||September 11, 2021 8:42 PM|
[Quote] I am forcing Ben Platt to be cast as teenagers for the remainder of his acting career.
As long as those projects are for the Disney Channel or the Nickelodeon Channel, I have no objections. Out of my sight, Ben!
|by Anonymous||reply 281||September 11, 2021 8:46 PM|
I was thinking this whole ordeal is like a darker spin off of Outer Banks.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||September 12, 2021 6:10 AM|
[quote] Jonah Hill as Alex Andy Richter as Buster
Richter is too old to play Jonah's son. It should be the other way around. And Alec Baldwin is too good-looking to play Paw Murdaugh.
|by Anonymous||reply 283||September 12, 2021 6:34 AM|
[quote]Alec Baldwin is too good-looking to play Paw Murdaugh.
You obviously haven't seen any recent photos of Alec. Maybe he could play the ghost of the dead grandpaw.
|by Anonymous||reply 284||September 12, 2021 7:17 AM|
Has anyone figured out who was the “Good Samaritan “ that drove Alex away from the accident before the police arrived to the helicopter that transported him to the hospital? Rumors on FB is that he was a good friend of his and might be the source of the “knife linked to Alex”.
|by Anonymous||reply 285||September 12, 2021 12:20 PM|
Dean Norris as Alec Murdaugh
Melissa McCarthy as Maggie Murdaugh
Jesse Plemmons as Buster
Fred Hechinger (he played Quinn in The White Lotus) as Paul Murdaugh
|by Anonymous||reply 286||September 12, 2021 1:08 PM|
^^ Except for Dean Norris, that's one homely cast. Even though Jesse Plemons fits the part of Buster, he looks (and is) too old.
There has to be a hot young factor or two.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||September 12, 2021 2:28 PM|
[Quote] There has to be a hot young factor or two.
Yes, there should be a transformation/weight loss scene for Buster post murders. "There's always a silver lining" etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 288||September 12, 2021 2:37 PM|
None of the family is hot. This should be a comedy-drama.
|by Anonymous||reply 289||September 12, 2021 2:40 PM|
In this timeline of the Murdaugh's, it lists that on June 22 "SLED confirms they found something while investigating the deaths of Paul and Maggie Murdaugh that led them to reopen the Stephen Smith case."
I wonder what they found.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||September 12, 2021 3:43 PM|
Miss Maggie should be played by a trans woman of both color and size.
|by Anonymous||reply 291||September 12, 2021 3:47 PM|
R290 They may have discovered evidence about Stephen Smith when they searched Paul's apartment.
Although someone had already been there to, probably, remove evidence.
Others are speculating that the evidence was found on Maggie's phone. I doubt that she would have evidence of that on her phone, but who knows.
Maybe they found the baseball bat when dredging the swamp behind the hunting lodge.
|by Anonymous||reply 292||September 12, 2021 4:00 PM|
I'm anxiously waiting for the day when this thing blows open.
Everything is constantly being smothered under a cloak of secrecy, skullduggery and subterfuge. It's like the "Lost" TV series where every time something was revealed, a whole new set of unanswered questions arose.
|by Anonymous||reply 293||September 12, 2021 4:13 PM|
Here's the latest about the Stephen Smith murder.
This interview by the police officer (or Highway Patrol) was not included in the first written investigation. The Murdaugh name is mentioned several times in this piece, including Buster's.
|by Anonymous||reply 294||September 13, 2021 1:33 AM|
Those Stephen Smith tapes make something very clear: Randy Murdaugh has his fingerprints all over everything.
He volunteered to rep the Smiths, no doubt to steer the case away from his nephews.
Then he got someone to call LE to report that someone had hit Stephen with a vehicle, to conform to the coverup story.
Randy is also popping up in the Paul/Maggie shootings and the Alex "Oops, I Shot Myself!" incident.
His hands are very dirty.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||September 13, 2021 3:29 PM|
R295 I agree, but don’t rule out John Marvin or Buster as the Keyser Soze of the family.
|by Anonymous||reply 296||September 13, 2021 3:35 PM|
Has Randy had his hand in the cookie jar as well?
|by Anonymous||reply 297||September 13, 2021 3:38 PM|
At this point, what doesn't Randy have his hand in?
|by Anonymous||reply 298||September 13, 2021 4:26 PM|
Looking at the pics in today's Daily Mail, it looks as if Buster has lost some weight.
No wonder he was unloading those size-40 needlepointed belts.
|by Anonymous||reply 299||September 13, 2021 4:47 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 300||September 13, 2021 11:31 PM|
Just Google it. It's a new article. Buster in an oversize white t-shirt on the deck of a beach house.
|by Anonymous||reply 301||September 14, 2021 12:01 AM|
Jesus, dude "Murdock and Daily Mail."
|by Anonymous||reply 302||September 14, 2021 12:02 AM|
[quote] Those Stephen Smith tapes make something very clear: Randy Murdaugh has his fingerprints all over everything.
That's interesting. I read somewhere (but I can't find it now so if this is not accurate, mea culpa) that on the day of Maggie and Paul's murders, there's a recording of Randy speaking to someone and there are lots of dogs barking in the background. Maggie and Paul were both murdered near the dog kennels and Randy's excuse was he was not in the vicinity.
|by Anonymous||reply 303||September 14, 2021 12:14 AM|
SLED or FBI can use his phone's GPS to locate where Randy was, but do they have enough for a warrant?
|by Anonymous||reply 304||September 14, 2021 6:09 AM|
John Marvin looks shattered. Plus he's giving me young Larry Gatlin vibes. This needs to be staged as a Greek tragedy with the Gatlin Brothers as the chorus.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||September 14, 2021 6:46 AM|
My partner is one of three brothers and around the same age as the Murdaughs. I can’t imagine them covering for each other a la Randy.
|by Anonymous||reply 306||September 14, 2021 10:54 AM|
^ Sounds like an entry in the Do You Like Your Siblings thread
|by Anonymous||reply 307||September 14, 2021 11:00 AM|
R306 Some siblings like each other. Some are in-between. And some hate each other. You can't extrapolate from your anecdotal knowledge of 1 group of siblings.
|by Anonymous||reply 308||September 14, 2021 11:04 AM|
No one is trying to extrapolate anything, you freak. It was just an observation. Randy’s behavior is beyond the pale. But maybe that sort of behavior is normal to you.
|by Anonymous||reply 309||September 14, 2021 11:08 AM|
They have a huge amount of money intertwined. There is a difference.
|by Anonymous||reply 310||September 14, 2021 11:11 AM|
It’s not so much covering up for the brother or nephew but to save the family name and reputation. They became too powerful and reckless plus the young son, Paul, was a psychopath.
|by Anonymous||reply 311||September 14, 2021 11:14 AM|
R309 It sure sounded like that you were extrapolating your anecdotal experience onto Paul and Buster. What else were you doing? When you really don't know anything about the interpersonal dynamics in that particular family?
|by Anonymous||reply 312||September 14, 2021 11:23 AM|
[quote]No one is trying to extrapolate anything, you freak.
Some of you are so touchy.
|by Anonymous||reply 313||September 14, 2021 1:55 PM|
AM NOT!! 😭
|by Anonymous||reply 314||September 14, 2021 2:11 PM|
Does anyone know just how long some rich lawyer can hang out in rehab, hoping all of his problems disappear?
|by Anonymous||reply 315||September 14, 2021 2:59 PM|
R315 There is no verification that Alex *really* is in rehab. He's probably at a five-star hotel spending his client's money on room service.
|by Anonymous||reply 316||September 14, 2021 3:07 PM|
Randy reminds me of Irish porn performer Cathal McCarron. Well, a thirty years on version.
|by Anonymous||reply 317||September 14, 2021 4:07 PM|
R136 Hey don’t knock it, that is rehab for some of us!
|by Anonymous||reply 318||September 14, 2021 4:28 PM|
"My partner is one of three brothers and around the same age as the Murdaughs. I can’t imagine them covering for each other a la Randy."
Your partner and his brothers aren't part of an oligarchy, are they?
The Murdaughs have been in sort of "family business" where they're joined in corrupting the local political and legal system for their own benefit, but that doesn't make them like each other. Randy has been throwing Alex under the bus now that things are crumbing, hoping that his own crimes won't come to light. Betcha he stole just as much as Alex, if not more.
|by Anonymous||reply 319||September 14, 2021 7:55 PM|
Something's still rotten about this.
State authorities arrest man in connection with Alex Murdaugh shooting.
CHARLESTON, S.C. (WCSC) - State authorities have announced the arrest of a man in connection with the shooting of Alex Murdaugh.
Agents with the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division Tuesday arrested Curtis Edward Smith, 61, who was charged with assisted suicide, assault and battery of a high aggravated nature, pointing and presenting a firearm, insurance fraud, and conspiracy to commit insurance fraud.
“Additional charges in the case are expected and will be announced at the appropriate time,” SLED officials said. “Smith has also been charged with distribution of methamphetamine and possession of marijuana.”
The SLED investigation was requested by the Hampton County Sheriff’s Office. Smith was booked at the Colleton County Detention Center. The case will be prosecuted by the Attorney General’s Office.
|by Anonymous||reply 320||September 15, 2021 3:15 AM|
Long list of charges but not one of attempted murder yet one of assisting suicide? Something's rotten in the state Denmark.
|by Anonymous||reply 321||September 15, 2021 3:19 AM|
Alex has admitted to taking out a $10 million insurance policy and hiring this guy to shoot him. Alex provided the gun which this guy disposed of.
|by Anonymous||reply 322||September 15, 2021 3:26 AM|
Ted Levine as Curtis?
|by Anonymous||reply 323||September 15, 2021 3:27 AM|
He hired someone to kill him? Who was the beneficiary of this latest insurance policy?
Well, good luck trying to buy any kind of insurance in the future, Alex. Oh wait, you don’t need insurance when you’re in prison, right?
|by Anonymous||reply 324||September 15, 2021 3:40 AM|
This case is the DL gift that keeps on giving.
|by Anonymous||reply 325||September 15, 2021 4:06 AM|
These latest developments are odd. They make Alex Murdaugh look like an utter fool. Whereas we've heard little about discoveries concerning the murders of Paul/Timmy and Mrs Maggie.
|by Anonymous||reply 326||September 15, 2021 4:11 AM|
R322 Buster is the beneficiary.
|by Anonymous||reply 327||September 15, 2021 4:31 AM|
That was for R324, sorry!
|by Anonymous||reply 328||September 15, 2021 4:32 AM|
If this was a normal family, Buster would be going, "WTF?", but in this family, its just another day to be selling needlepoint belts and hanging at the beach. He's probably going to actually have to get a job, since no insurance money, and property will be sold to settle claims.
|by Anonymous||reply 329||September 15, 2021 4:39 AM|
I hope Buster becomes an Infomercial Queen.
|by Anonymous||reply 330||September 15, 2021 4:44 AM|
Buster for new gay icon!
|by Anonymous||reply 331||September 15, 2021 4:44 AM|
This man is named Smith? And what is his relation to Stephen Smith?
|by Anonymous||reply 332||September 15, 2021 4:45 AM|
Buster really does look like he's lost a lot of weight in those latest pics from the beach house.
|by Anonymous||reply 333||September 15, 2021 4:46 AM|
So why the heck couldn't the guy kill Alex given a free rein to do so? So weird.
|by Anonymous||reply 334||September 15, 2021 4:47 AM|
Why would Alex hire someone to kill him, unless he was feeling guilty about killing his wife and Timmy/Paul. Alex is a hot mess.
|by Anonymous||reply 335||September 15, 2021 4:52 AM|
I'd like to hear Buster's voice as he was saying, "I'm not interested in answering y'alls questions." I'll bet he sounds like a total hick dumbass.
|by Anonymous||reply 336||September 15, 2021 4:52 AM|
So in another revelation earlier today from a Mandy article is the housekeeper’s family, two sons, have yet to see any of the $500,000.00 of insurance money that was settled by Alex for the trip and fall accident that killed her. It said she worked for 25 years as the Murdaugh’s housekeeper and nanny to the boys, yet there were stretches of time that she and her family were homeless and living in a motel despite the Murdaughs owning multiple homes. And that is was supposedly the dogs that had tripped her and caused her fall- isn’t that convenient!
|by Anonymous||reply 337||September 15, 2021 5:07 AM|
Arrest made. Alex is in deep shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 338||September 15, 2021 5:10 AM|
Every actor/actress is gonna be fighting for these movie roles.....You couldn't come up with a more ubsurd storyline
|by Anonymous||reply 339||September 15, 2021 5:13 AM|
If that woman worked for 25 years in the same job and was sometimes homeless, that's on her.
|by Anonymous||reply 340||September 15, 2021 5:13 AM|
I'll always have Poshmark.
|by Anonymous||reply 341||September 15, 2021 5:21 AM|
NEWSFLASH = No insurance company is going to just pay out a Ten Million Dollar insurance policy.....This IDIOT deserves prison.
|by Anonymous||reply 342||September 15, 2021 5:27 AM|
How much did Poppa collect in Insurance after Momma got killed?
|by Anonymous||reply 343||September 15, 2021 5:28 AM|
So here are the first pictures of Buster, since the shootings, at the family beach home. There’s one where his T-shirt is pulled high showing his bare waist, which I think is twofold. 1) To show that he has slimmed down considerably and 2) To show off the belt he’s wearing that he will soon list on Poshmark with the added cache that it’s been seen on the Daily Mail.
|by Anonymous||reply 344||September 15, 2021 5:35 AM|
Buster was set to inherit a whole pile of insurance money. Buster better start prepping for a possible Bail Hearing. Daddy is the least of his worries.
|by Anonymous||reply 345||September 15, 2021 5:40 AM|
I think Alex is trying to make himself look as stupid as possible so that no one would believe that he was smart enough to plan and execute the murders of his wife and son.
|by Anonymous||reply 346||September 15, 2021 5:42 AM|
With the weight loss, maybe Buster can get a job as a professional Prince Harry impersonator.
|by Anonymous||reply 347||September 15, 2021 5:43 AM|
Can anyone find a pic of Murdaugh's home? I can find one of his father's place, and the hunting lodge, but not one that the family lived in.
|by Anonymous||reply 348||September 15, 2021 5:43 AM|
Alex must be guilty in the murder in of his wife and son. He probably hired Smith to kill them too.
|by Anonymous||reply 349||September 15, 2021 6:15 AM|
How can the guy be charged with assisted suicide when the "victim" is still alive?
|by Anonymous||reply 350||September 15, 2021 6:17 AM|
[quote]According to Murdaugh's account a truck passed him then circled back outside St John Baptist church on Old Salkehatchie Road [bold]next to where he was parked up.[/bold]
"Parked up," that's a Low Countryism I haven't heard in a long time.
|by Anonymous||reply 351||September 15, 2021 7:14 AM|
If he wanted to die, why did he call the police afterwards? Did he have a change of heart? And, why didn’t the guy shoot him? Did he miss?
|by Anonymous||reply 352||September 15, 2021 7:34 AM|
Apparently, the guy was supposed to kill him with a head shot but only managed to barely graze him. Moral: if you simply MUST hire somebody to kill you, maybe don't choose a geriatric drug addict for the job.
|by Anonymous||reply 353||September 15, 2021 9:25 AM|
THIS is truly the greatest story ever told.
|by Anonymous||reply 354||September 15, 2021 9:44 AM|
Which network will have dibs on making the Murdaugh series first? I bet Hulu since Disney bought it.
|by Anonymous||reply 355||September 15, 2021 9:48 AM|
New Buster could get it!
|by Anonymous||reply 356||September 15, 2021 9:57 AM|
This guy is a bumbling idiot. How in the hell was he a lawyer?
|by Anonymous||reply 357||September 15, 2021 10:06 AM|
I am excited to see Ryan Murphy cover this on American Crime Story. Watching Darren Criss in the fat body suit playing the misunderstood Buster should be riveting. And of course it will give Darren the chance to talk about his imaginary "heterosexuality" again. And of course Judith Light will play the dead mother Evan Peters will play the dead brother.
|by Anonymous||reply 358||September 15, 2021 10:10 AM|
Baby Sinclair could play Alex Murdaugh
|by Anonymous||reply 359||September 15, 2021 10:28 AM|
May I suggest for your consideration...
Lucille Ball as Mrs. Maggie Murdaugh
and here's the brilliant part...we make it a musical!
|by Anonymous||reply 360||September 15, 2021 10:31 AM|
Look at that little shit in those Daily Mail photos. Twenty-five years old, looking and acting like he's about 17. Totally unconcerned, not a care in the world, empty-headed piece of shit. He's headed towards the edge of a cliff at 80 mph, and seems to have no idea where he's headed. If that beach house belongs to Alex, Buster won't be going back there, come next summer...
|by Anonymous||reply 361||September 15, 2021 10:43 AM|
Only one living director could possibly do this story justice. JOHN WATERS.
|by Anonymous||reply 362||September 15, 2021 10:46 AM|
I'm betting Alex hired Mr. Creepy to kill Maw, and Paul was killed too because wrong place, wrong time. Alex knows he's done for. Case closed, basically.
|by Anonymous||reply 363||September 15, 2021 10:51 AM|
Alex should get the death penalty for this, and in South Carolina, it's a distinct possibility.
|by Anonymous||reply 364||September 15, 2021 10:53 AM|
The sons of former Murdaugh family housekeeper Gloria Satterfield — who died in 2018 following a “trip and fall” incident at the Murdaugh's home — say they have received no money from the $500K settlement they reached with Alex Murdaugh in 2018
Fit News only lets you view so many articles & I've reached my limit or I would have posted it
|by Anonymous||reply 365||September 15, 2021 11:00 AM|
^I wonder if the insurance company has any legal wiggle-room to welch on the payment now, and contend that the whole family has been revealed to be so shady and crazy that the accident should now be re-investigated as a murder, by Paul...
|by Anonymous||reply 366||September 15, 2021 11:04 AM|
Can you imagine the scene where Alec is telling the old meth addict how to kill him and the old man is fumbling with the gun because he's either high or his brain is too fried.
|by Anonymous||reply 367||September 15, 2021 11:14 AM|
They celebrated the maids 500,000 by purchasing their beach house and hunting lodge....in her memory. Some of the greediest people I have ever met are the richest people I have ever met.
|by Anonymous||reply 368||September 15, 2021 11:23 AM|
If they haven't collected on the judgement, it may mean the ruling is being appealed - in which case the money's supposed to be held in escrow.
I still say Dead Paw started the embezzlement and Alex/Randy continued it.
|by Anonymous||reply 369||September 15, 2021 11:58 AM|
So the shooter is the “Good Samaritan “ who drove Alex to the helicopter landing site so he could be whisked away to the hospital before talking to the police?
And that lawyer statement: [quote] For the last 20 years, there have been many people feeding his addiction to opioids. During that time, these individuals took advantage of his addiction and his ability to pay substantial funds for illegal drugs. One of those individuals took advantage of his mental illness and agreed to take Alex's life, by shooting him in the head. Fortunately, Alex was not killed by the gunshot wound. Alex is fully cooperating with SLED in their investigations into his shooting, opioid use and the search to find the person or people responsible for the murder of his wife and son. Alex is not without fault but he is just one of many whose life has been devastated by opioid addiction.
Boo fucking hoo
|by Anonymous||reply 370||September 15, 2021 12:03 PM|
In France, other opioid addicts would throw rocks at him.
|by Anonymous||reply 371||September 15, 2021 12:07 PM|
[quote] How can the guy be charged with assisted suicide when the "victim" is still alive?
Maybe attempted assisted suicide? If it’s a crime, he can still be charged with an attempt. Like “attempted murder” or “attempted robbery”.
If there’s a conspiracy in place, with an intended victim, I think it’s a valid charge. But I’m not a lawyer, so.
|by Anonymous||reply 372||September 15, 2021 12:33 PM|
So, we can blame the Sackler family for all of this?
|by Anonymous||reply 373||September 15, 2021 1:12 PM|
Buster definitely has had a bit of a “glow up” relative to when he was selling his size 40 pants and belts on Poshmark. It’s just a shame that his hot girl summer comes at a moment when his entire life is in such complete shambles.
|by Anonymous||reply 374||September 15, 2021 1:13 PM|
The charges against Creepy Smith are pretty comprehensive. It sounds to me like the prosecutors are hoping to inspire him to come forward and try to make a very generous deal for his cooperation, esp with regard to what he may know about the fates of Maw and Sonny Boy. But since it would reasonably be inferred that it was very likely Creepy himself who did the actual killing (at Paw's instigation), I'm not sure how lenient they could be with Smith in that situation.
|by Anonymous||reply 375||September 15, 2021 1:33 PM|
R373, there will CERTAINLY be ample room in this epic tragi-comedy for ALL of the Sacklers to have roles in the story.
|by Anonymous||reply 376||September 15, 2021 1:36 PM|
Alec suicidal because, yes, he wanted Maw Maggie out of the way, and had hired Creepy to kill her, but nowAlec feels guilty beyond life itself because Creepy was forced to kill Sonny Boy too ( when Sonny happened to be there and see what was going on). The irony is perfect, Alec brought about the death of his own son by hiring a meth addict to kill the boy's mother.
|by Anonymous||reply 377||September 15, 2021 1:41 PM|
I was assuming he wanted to die because of all the money he stole from the firm and knew he was going to jail.
|by Anonymous||reply 378||September 15, 2021 1:57 PM|
They said it could have been 2 people who killed Paul and his mother because one was shot with a shotgun, the other with a rifle. It was execution style but they also said it was overkill, like the shooter was enraged. It could have been someone Alec paid but who hated Paul, the psycho arrogant kid.
|by Anonymous||reply 379||September 15, 2021 2:00 PM|
You can not make this shit up. Murdaugh and his lawyers know who the real killer is
'We know who killed Alex's wife and son - and it was personal' Lawyer for legal heir makes stunning TV admission and reveals his client expects to be arrested for stealing millions from his own firm to buy opioids
Alex Murdaugh's lawyer says he may know who killed the South Carolina legal scion's wife and son earlier this year though he does expect his client to be arrested for embezzling funds from a law firm to fuel an addiction to painkillers.
Attorney Dick Harpootlian says that Murdaugh, 53, was addicted to opioids and fell into depression after the deaths of his wife and son when he allegedly hired a hitman to kill him so that his surviving child could collect a $10million life insurance policy. 'He was in a dark, dark, dark place and he wanted to help his remaining son, Buster, in any way he could,' Harpootlian says.
'He thought this was the only way he could leave him with anything.'
Harpootlian says that his client, who suffered a gunshot wound to the head while changing a tire on a rural highway on September 4, hatched the scheme ‘to protect his child’ - 25-year-old Buster Murdaugh. He also says that the motive for the June 7 murder of his wife, Maggie, 52, and son, Paul, 22, was 'personal' and that the identity of the suspect could be revealed sometime this week. 'It was an attempt on his part to do something to protect his child,' Harpootlian says of the suicide-for-hire scheme. 'He didn't want law enforcement spending time on this fake crime instead of focusing on solving the murders of Maggie and Paul.'
Harpootlian acknowledged that Murdaugh is likely to be arrested for allegedly misappropriating millions from his own law firm. Harpootlian told TODAY that he and another lawyer visited Murdaugh at an out-of-state detox facility on Monday. He said it was the first time he and the other lawyer, Jim Griffin, spoke to Murdaugh ‘when he wasn’t on opioids of Oxy (oxycodone).’ ‘He clearly knew that what he had done was wrong,’ Harpootlian told NBC’s TODAY on Wednesday.
Curtis Edward Smith, 61, was arrested on Tuesday charges of assisted suicide, assault and battery, pointing and presenting a firearm, insurance fraud and conspiracy to commit insurance fraud. Smith, from Walterboro, South Carolina, is a former client of Murdaugh, 53, who represented him in minor traffic matters as well as a 2015 lawsuit that Smith filed against a forest management company. According to police, Murdaugh paid him to shoot him in the head and kill him, making it look like a random, drive-by attack. But the plan failed as the shot only grazed his head, according to state police.On June 7, the bodies of Maggie Murdaugh, 52, and her son Paul Murdaugh, 22, were found by Alex Murdaugh at their South Carolina home.
the rest at the link
|by Anonymous||reply 380||September 15, 2021 2:05 PM|
I wonder how Alec got addicted to opioids. Any talk of old injuries?
|by Anonymous||reply 381||September 15, 2021 2:05 PM|
Yeah, the lawyers “know”:
[quote] Harpootlian also claims that he and Griffin are pursuing leads and have gathered information that may implicate a suspect in the June killings of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh. The attorney says that he and Griffin have zeroed in on 'an individual or individuals we believe - may - have some culpability' or had carried out the murder. 'We think we'll know this week whether the one suspect we're looking at bears further scrutiny and we'll make that information available to law enforcement,' Harpootlian says.
So, the police haven’t figured it out yet but the lawyers have and they’re prepared to throw someone else under the bus to get sympathy for their client.
|by Anonymous||reply 382||September 15, 2021 2:14 PM|
Nobody has spent millions on pills. He’s lying. The pills started loooong ago. He probably started with anxiety meds like Valium and Xanax. Easy to get for a lawyer. Like so many other Americans, his habit built through the 00’s-now. Painkillers help with stress as well. America was over prescribed pills 1990’s onward. But at zero time did he spend millions on pills. No matter HOW bad his connection.
|by Anonymous||reply 383||September 15, 2021 2:49 PM|
They are saying Alex has been addicted to opioids for 20 years. How can that be possible, at some point it must wear and damage some systems of the body and be fatal or at least catastrophic to your life. And how does one function in your life as a high end lawyer for that long without fucking up to the point of exposure?
|by Anonymous||reply 384||September 15, 2021 2:49 PM|
^^ aHe may have imagined himself a high-end lawyer at some point, but most recently he's just been an ambulance chasing personal injury lawyer. ^^
|by Anonymous||reply 385||September 15, 2021 2:57 PM|
I still don’t understand why he didn’t die? Why did he have Smith drive him to the helicopter port, as opposed to just telling Smith to shoot him again? Did they run out of bullets?
|by Anonymous||reply 386||September 15, 2021 3:02 PM|
If he's looking for the real killer he should check golf courses
|by Anonymous||reply 387||September 15, 2021 3:04 PM|
Smith probably started to sob and begged Alex not to make him do it.
|by Anonymous||reply 388||September 15, 2021 3:05 PM|
It doesn’t take millions of dollars to live the life of a heroin addict, even if you are doing it for decades. That’s just insane. His lawyers are spinning quite a yarn.
|by Anonymous||reply 389||September 15, 2021 3:06 PM|
[quote]f he's looking for the real killer he should check golf courses
|by Anonymous||reply 390||September 15, 2021 3:06 PM|
Maybe there's room for OJ in the inevitable movie, too. He can play himself!!
|by Anonymous||reply 391||September 15, 2021 3:51 PM|
R391, maybe OJ Simpson could play the role of City Confidential narrator Paul Winfield, introducing the story and stepping in at key moments to remind viewers of a key fact or to shed some insight (and barely contained contempt for these inept but entertaining Low country crackers.)
Winfield's marvelous voice and tone could have a role of its own in this one
|by Anonymous||reply 392||September 15, 2021 4:05 PM|
OJ can drive Alec to the hospital. He'll have to go REAL fast.
|by Anonymous||reply 393||September 15, 2021 4:12 PM|
If only they made bulletproof fur coats.
|by Anonymous||reply 394||September 15, 2021 4:15 PM|
Like an onion ! This delicious story has layer upon layer ,each more shocking than the last.
|by Anonymous||reply 395||September 15, 2021 4:17 PM|
It's hard to comprehend the personal hell Alex has engineered for himself. This story is far from reaching its conclusion and this guy is the black hole of it all.
|by Anonymous||reply 396||September 15, 2021 4:18 PM|
R386, half of the county probably feared and hated this family, yet Alex is the one who wound up destroying it. It's incredible.
|by Anonymous||reply 397||September 15, 2021 4:25 PM|
I don't believe Alex would re-hire Mrs. Maggie's killer. The person(s) who killed Paul and Mrs Maggie would not have taken part in Alex's latest mess.
|by Anonymous||reply 398||September 15, 2021 4:27 PM|
Two murders at the lodge, two different weapons. Who was shot first? Presumably Paul, went out to see what the ruckus was. One weapon was owned by the family. Was it the shot gun? Seems logical for a hunting lodge. Killer shoots Paul with the automatic and then picks up Paul’s shot gun to shoot Ma?
Maybe it had nothing to do with the dogs barking in the kennel.
|by Anonymous||reply 399||September 15, 2021 4:42 PM|
For all the missteps Alex has to atone for, hiring this guy as your "cleaner" surely is the most humiliating.
|by Anonymous||reply 400||September 15, 2021 4:49 PM|
Search the cabins for the REAL murderers.
|by Anonymous||reply 401||September 15, 2021 5:08 PM|
[quote] If they haven't collected on the judgement, it may mean the ruling is being appealed - in which case the money's supposed to be held in escrow.
It's a settlement, i.e., something that both parties agreed upon. I don't think it's being appealed.
|by Anonymous||reply 402||September 15, 2021 5:21 PM|
Smith (suicide assister) looks old for 61! Wow!
|by Anonymous||reply 403||September 15, 2021 5:28 PM|
If Alex hired Smith to kill him it would follow that he also hired Smith to kill Paul and Maw but this story is so convoluted anything goes. Even Randy could have killed them, or Buster.
|by Anonymous||reply 404||September 15, 2021 6:29 PM|
Then why did Smith succeed with Paul and Maggie and fail with Alex? At the very least Smith knew to get the hell out of there after killing Timmy and Peg, but this time he decided to stay around and be indentified as a "Good Samaritan"?
|by Anonymous||reply 405||September 15, 2021 6:35 PM|
What if Paul shot mama and then someone else shot him?
|by Anonymous||reply 406||September 15, 2021 7:12 PM|
Bwahahahaha! This has The Coen Brother written all over it. I hope THEY do the series and that hack Ryan Murphy stays gagged in his sex dungeon!
|by Anonymous||reply 407||September 15, 2021 7:27 PM|
Gunshot residue on his hands? I think that would’ve leaked by now.
|by Anonymous||reply 408||September 15, 2021 7:28 PM|
Ok, to keep it in the family, Randy did it. He did it when he knew Alex had an alibi. Motive: Ma hiring the forensic accountant, was going to reveal Alex’s embezzlement before the firm could cover it up. Paul is just an all-around liability.
|by Anonymous||reply 409||September 15, 2021 7:37 PM|
Then why didn't Randy also take out Alex?
|by Anonymous||reply 410||September 15, 2021 7:38 PM|
I don't think Alex shot either Paul or Maggie...he wouldn't have had the guts.
|by Anonymous||reply 411||September 15, 2021 8:30 PM|
That lawsuit makes Alex seem very, very shady.
|by Anonymous||reply 412||September 15, 2021 9:22 PM|
The fact that Alex has gone on record as being someone who would stage a murder for financial reasons doesn't exactly make him look innocent of the killings of his wife and son.
|by Anonymous||reply 413||September 15, 2021 9:23 PM|
But one was bungled and one... wasn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 414||September 15, 2021 9:25 PM|
There is no motive, so far, for Alex to have murdered either his wife or son.
|by Anonymous||reply 415||September 15, 2021 9:54 PM|
Winner, winner chicken dinner.
Give me all the money.
|by Anonymous||reply 416||September 15, 2021 9:58 PM|
HIPPA is Murdaugh's friend because his legal reps can spread any and all sorts of disinformation because any medical facility cannot give ANY medical information unless under warrant or subpoena. It could come out later in court proceedings. Right now, his lawyers are portraying him as a victim because no one else is allowed their information because he's in a "medical facility." Fuck us all...
|by Anonymous||reply 417||September 15, 2021 10:14 PM|
The police have the shooter, so the police can release info. We don't need his medical records.
|by Anonymous||reply 418||September 15, 2021 10:29 PM|
The police are going to say as little as possible until someone is arrested for the murders of Maw and Sonny Boy.
|by Anonymous||reply 419||September 15, 2021 10:36 PM|
What r410? And kill his own brother? What kind of animal do you think he is? The little problem of Alex’s embezzlement can be covered up. The family comes first. After all, he’s a Murtaugh.
|by Anonymous||reply 420||September 15, 2021 10:39 PM|
Another suspicious death:
|by Anonymous||reply 421||September 15, 2021 10:42 PM|
R421 Didn’t you know, the dogs did that one.
|by Anonymous||reply 422||September 15, 2021 11:01 PM|
MY GAWD!!!! This just keeps getting BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 423||September 15, 2021 11:01 PM|
[quote]There is no motive, so far, for Alex to have murdered either his wife or son.
Maggie had hired a forensic accountant. That would be VERY threatening to someone embezzling millions of dollars.
I suspect that Paul wasn't supposed to be there and was collateral damage. Which is why Alex says on the 911 call while the operator is talking something to the effect "Paul why did you get involved?"
|by Anonymous||reply 424||September 15, 2021 11:05 PM|
This family should have been given a reality show before all this happened.
|by Anonymous||reply 425||September 15, 2021 11:05 PM|
Buster could be Honey Bus Bus.
|by Anonymous||reply 426||September 15, 2021 11:07 PM|
Or Honey Butt-Butt
|by Anonymous||reply 427||September 15, 2021 11:09 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 428||September 15, 2021 11:12 PM|
R424, Agree completely. BUT if Paw's attorney is for real about the murder case, maybe they do know who did it and what a motive might have been. I know lawyers love publicity, and they love bullshitting in the public eye, but I think most lawyers would be savvy enough to know that it's not going to help their public reputation to be spinning some big whoppers here about this situation. Alec is in BIG trouble, whether he had Maggie and Sonny killed or not. He is RUINED. He is going to prison, he is almost certainly destitute now, and he is going to lose everything he has. If Buster inherited anything substantial by virtue of Maggie's death, it seems highly likely that those assets will be lost by him, in connection with the Beachs's wrongful death case. These people are functionally destitute, not the types that any high-profile lawyer is going to be showboating on behalf of.
|by Anonymous||reply 429||September 15, 2021 11:13 PM|
Honestly, who DIDN'T want this family dead? There must be SO MANY suspects in that county.
|by Anonymous||reply 430||September 15, 2021 11:16 PM|
I don’t understand the NBC report about the housekeeper’s death lawsuit. Are they saying the suit was settled and Alex kept the money?
What on earth did he do with the millions he embezzled? They weren’t living that high on the hog. Was he gambling?
|by Anonymous||reply 431||September 15, 2021 11:25 PM|
Big Daddy Nurse ugh admits to hiring hit man to off him to 10 mill insurance policy intended for surviving son!
|by Anonymous||reply 432||September 15, 2021 11:47 PM|
"There is no motive, so far, for Alex to have murdered either his wife or son."
On one of these threads someone said that all the family property was in Maggie's name, and she was allegedly thinking divorce and had hired a "forensic accountant". That's a huge motive for murder.
As to hiring the old methhead to kill him? Bull! Evil bastards like Alex don't kill themselves, they kill the people they blame for their problems! So I wonder if he was planning to kill the old methhead to stage a disappearance, like leave an appropriately-sized corpse in a burning car and take off to wherever all those stole millions are. And that's yet another big unanswered question, where ARE the stolen mllions? The family wasn't living that high, opiate pills don't cost that much, and neither do good-quality mistresses. Blackmail? Secret run-away-and-start-a-new-life fund?
|by Anonymous||reply 433||September 15, 2021 11:51 PM|
On the bright side, Buster won’t have to spend a lot of money on Christmas gifts this year.
|by Anonymous||reply 434||September 15, 2021 11:58 PM|
He should buy some Christmas shoes, for when he meets Jesus (since he might be next on Daddy's hot list)
|by Anonymous||reply 435||September 16, 2021 12:00 AM|
Buster now has movie rights and trusts and insurance and who knows what the hell.
Folly Beach house and upstate downtown condo? Greenville? Ugh. Rock Hill/Charlotte.
|by Anonymous||reply 436||September 16, 2021 12:10 AM|
Maybe Buster could feature in the next John Waters movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 437||September 16, 2021 12:12 AM|
Buster needs to hire a bodyguard, to protect himself from himself.
I don’t believe he didn’t have a hand in any of this mess.
|by Anonymous||reply 438||September 16, 2021 12:13 AM|
Anderson Cooper will be discussing the case in 2 minutes
|by Anonymous||reply 439||September 16, 2021 12:43 AM|
Will he be giggling R439?
|by Anonymous||reply 440||September 16, 2021 12:45 AM|
I hope Buster's bow ties belt gets some screen time.
|by Anonymous||reply 441||September 16, 2021 12:46 AM|
Arrest warrant has been issued for Alex. He's to turn himself in tomorrow. Late update from the Island Packet.
|by Anonymous||reply 442||September 16, 2021 12:54 AM|
It's late here and I'm tipsy but what is Alex being arrested for, exactly? Failed Attempt at Contract Murder? I'm serious, what is the crime they are charging him with? TIA.
|by Anonymous||reply 443||September 16, 2021 12:55 AM|
R443, lying to the police is a crime.
|by Anonymous||reply 444||September 16, 2021 12:57 AM|
Holy shit. Paw is so damned stupid. He didn't realize there was a 2 yr suicide clause on life insurance policies
What in the hell kind of lawyer doesn't know that?
|by Anonymous||reply 445||September 16, 2021 12:59 AM|
R445 He was trying to stage it as a murder.
|by Anonymous||reply 446||September 16, 2021 1:00 AM|
Oh, it's conspiracy to commit insurance fraud. What's that, a few months in Club Fed? lmao
|by Anonymous||reply 447||September 16, 2021 1:00 AM|
R446 Anderson Cooper said he had to try to stage it as a murder because he didn't realize there was a 2 yr clause on life insurance policies
|by Anonymous||reply 448||September 16, 2021 1:01 AM|
I just know that Tot Mom is involved, and I’m the dame to prove it.
|by Anonymous||reply 449||September 16, 2021 1:03 AM|
He will blame the entire scheme on his addiction and get a slap on the wrist, if that.
Well, back to the better mystery: who killed Ma and Paul?
|by Anonymous||reply 450||September 16, 2021 1:03 AM|
I'm thinking that one of them (Alex or the hitman) must have got cold feet when it came to actually doing the act, and they must have panicked. If Alex hadn't been 'rescued' despite not being seriously injured, nobody would have known about this.
|by Anonymous||reply 451||September 16, 2021 1:04 AM|
Is there no end to this sad, sorry saga?
|by Anonymous||reply 452||September 16, 2021 1:04 AM|
He also hasn't yet been charged with embezzling funds from his law firm, although the law firm has referred the matter to the police and the prosecutor.
Nancy Grace is the sole source of the rumor that Miss Maggie had hired a forensic accountant.
|by Anonymous||reply 453||September 16, 2021 1:06 AM|
[quote]Is there no end to this sad, sorry saga?
I hope not, this is better than TV or anything that I've seen at the movies in years!
|by Anonymous||reply 454||September 16, 2021 1:07 AM|
Who knew we would all know FITS News and Island Packet as our pipeline to drama before this summer?
|by Anonymous||reply 455||September 16, 2021 1:08 AM|
They weren’t on my bingo card R455.
|by Anonymous||reply 456||September 16, 2021 1:08 AM|
You can't trust a ginger!
|by Anonymous||reply 457||September 16, 2021 1:09 AM|
Don't forget us, r454!
|by Anonymous||reply 458||September 16, 2021 1:10 AM|
[Quote] Holy shit. Paw is so damned stupid. He didn't realize there was a 2 yr suicide clause on life insurance policies What in the hell kind of lawyer doesn't know that?
I think Alex cooked this shit up, never intending to die, nor for Buster to collect.
|by Anonymous||reply 459||September 16, 2021 1:10 AM|
I take that back about the suicide clause, but he's still a stupid, shitty lawyer. I bet he screwed up a lot of cases and that's what got him in money trouble
Paw was under the impression his policy had that clause so he hired crackhead curtis to kill him. His policy didn't have it. This still makes him a really shitty lawyer, who should have known this. Or just read his policy.
>>>>>His attorney, Richard Harpootlian, told NBC's "TODAY" show on Wednesday that his client was trying to get off opioids he was taking to get over the death of his son and wife when he became depressed. Believing his insurance policy had a suicide clause, Murdaugh enlisted a man to kill him during a "fake car breakdown," according to the attorney.
|by Anonymous||reply 460||September 16, 2021 1:13 AM|
I cannot WAIT to see the botched suicide attempt on the big screen. It must have been awkward as fuck, like the "divine intervention" scene from Pulp Fiction.
|by Anonymous||reply 461||September 16, 2021 1:24 AM|
"I just know that Tot Mom is involved, and I’m the dame to prove it."
From Tot Mom to Twat Dad
|by Anonymous||reply 462||September 16, 2021 1:34 AM|
R432 do try to stay up with the rest of us…that was news two days ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 463||September 16, 2021 1:38 AM|
As crazy as this story is I wouldn't be surprised if Gabby Petito turns up engaged to Buster.
|by Anonymous||reply 464||September 16, 2021 1:44 AM|
Buster and Gabby should adapt that train dog.
|by Anonymous||reply 465||September 16, 2021 1:45 AM|
Mandy from FITS is staying focused. No time to fuss with CNN.
She will break this case wide open.
|by Anonymous||reply 466||September 16, 2021 1:58 AM|
Translation: They wouldn't pay me.
|by Anonymous||reply 467||September 16, 2021 2:00 AM|
Stop harassing Sandy Smith, y’all.
|by Anonymous||reply 468||September 16, 2021 2:05 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 469||September 16, 2021 2:06 AM|
If a screenwriter submitted this story, it would be dismissed as "too histrionic" "Not believable" "too many characters".
|by Anonymous||reply 470||September 16, 2021 2:11 AM|
Which is why it has to be a miniseries.
|by Anonymous||reply 471||September 16, 2021 2:13 AM|
Some of the folks on Mandy’s Twitter feed are whack.
|by Anonymous||reply 472||September 16, 2021 2:16 AM|
Oxy pills are harder and harder for dealers to come by. Doctors won't prescribe them anymore. Subsequently, they cost, in LA, $40-45 PER PILL.
And, in that area of South Carolina, they are IMPOSSIBLE to find. Trust me on this. It is not inconceivable that he kept a network of well compensated doctors/dealers. You can be sure they're all shitting bricks right about now. After a time, opioids rewire your brain, and it becomes a biological imperative to get them. Like water or food. And you do things you would never dream in a million years you would do.
|by Anonymous||reply 473||September 16, 2021 2:18 AM|
Those people are joking about the Smith name.
|by Anonymous||reply 474||September 16, 2021 2:20 AM|
Aw, bless your heart R474
|by Anonymous||reply 475||September 16, 2021 2:23 AM|
Oh Mandy, you came and you gave without taking…
|by Anonymous||reply 476||September 16, 2021 2:42 AM|
After the pure political and pandemic hell we’ve endured, this circus of ginger freaks is the restorative tonic we need.
|by Anonymous||reply 477||September 16, 2021 3:05 AM|
What are the odds Alex'll "cheat justice" tonight rather than turn himself in tomorrow?
|by Anonymous||reply 478||September 16, 2021 3:06 AM|
Every time you think a country of Kartrashians, Trumps, and the like will have to stop looking down on the South, the South outdoes them in trashiness and moral degeneracy.
|by Anonymous||reply 479||September 16, 2021 3:24 AM|
R497 The South has had more years to perfect the degeneracy, that's all.
|by Anonymous||reply 480||September 16, 2021 3:28 AM|
What would Poirot have done with this gang?
|by Anonymous||reply 481||September 16, 2021 3:35 AM|
I think it's more of a case for Miss Marple than Poirot, R481. Nobody there would want someone like Poirot digging all the skeletons out of the local closets, but some old pal could have invited Miss Marple to come and stay in rural South Carolina for months, people are always inviting her to stay for months, and do her knitting and hang out with the local "gentry", and cluck over those awful wild kids and Miss Maggie's tasteless furs. And then...
|by Anonymous||reply 482||September 16, 2021 4:11 AM|
R479, you just don’t have a good memory. Brooke Astor, doyenne of NYC and the last of the Great Ladies died, lying on an urine-soaked sofa in the back room of a a mansion, for which her son served prison time.
There are far, far more scandalous society stories than this.
|by Anonymous||reply 483||September 16, 2021 5:52 AM|
[quote] What if Paul shot mama and then someone else shot him?
They both reached for the guns. . .
|by Anonymous||reply 484||September 16, 2021 7:29 AM|
R483, your memories of Brooke Astor fail you. She did suffer from severe elder abuse from her son Anthony and his wife as he looted her estate. But Anthony's son and other close friends realized what was going on and sued to have Anthony's guardianship removed. Annette de la Renta (Oscar's wife) was made her guardian and JP Morgan put in charge of her finances. Brooke spent some time at Lenox Hill Hospital and was then moved to her Hudson Valley estate where she she was well cared for until her death. And, as you said, Anthony went to jail. There's a good account of what went on in Brooke's WP article and it was shameless and cruel.
|by Anonymous||reply 485||September 16, 2021 8:04 AM|
So which is it?
Alex Murdaugh had a 20-year opioid addiction? He became addicted to cope with the loss of his wife and son, which happened three months ago?
|by Anonymous||reply 486||September 16, 2021 12:11 PM|
In my day we handled these little scandals so much better.
|by Anonymous||reply 487||September 16, 2021 12:35 PM|
[quote]Richard Harpootlian, told NBC's "TODAY" show on Wednesday that his client was trying to get off opioids
Nothing is a better metaphor for America than how Alex got off opioids vs. how his dealer did.
Alex was allowed to stroll into a cushy rehab facility (supposedly) and take his sweet time to get off the pills before he could turn himself into the police at his leisure because he is rich.
His dealer, on the other hand, was arrested immediately and thrown in jail. At his hearing, he was throwing up because he is going through withdrawal.
None of that messy inconvenience for Alex.
|by Anonymous||reply 488||September 16, 2021 1:36 PM|
But Smith, the dealer, had been a high powered lawyer himself until sometime recently I thought?
|by Anonymous||reply 489||September 16, 2021 2:06 PM|
Alex and his attorneys are very stereotypical lawyers: you can tell they're lying if their lips move.
|by Anonymous||reply 490||September 16, 2021 2:07 PM|
We're famous in Brazil, too, bitches!
Beijos e tchau!
|by Anonymous||reply 491||September 16, 2021 2:50 PM|
Matt Harris is the source re the forensic accountant:
[Quote]Reporter Matt Harris, morning show host on WLNK and host of the podcast “The Murdaugh Family Murders: Impact of Influence,” made the stunning announcement on “Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.”
[Quote]That is the word I got from a pretty reliable source,” Harris said. “Maggie hired a forensic accountant.”
|by Anonymous||reply 492||September 16, 2021 4:21 PM|
Why is Nancy Grace coming out of retirement? She's very unpleasant, sometimes.
|by Anonymous||reply 493||September 16, 2021 4:45 PM|
I’m late to the thread today.
Has anyone else been shot or killed overnight?
|by Anonymous||reply 494||September 16, 2021 4:47 PM|
And this mess could really do without unpleasant.
|by Anonymous||reply 495||September 16, 2021 4:48 PM|
How does someone manage a 20 year opioid addiction without ODing? Keeps a supply of Naltrexone (sp?)
|by Anonymous||reply 496||September 16, 2021 5:05 PM|
What happened with the housekeeper?
|by Anonymous||reply 497||September 16, 2021 5:07 PM|
A trip and fall accident R497.
I warned her about untied shoelaces.
|by Anonymous||reply 498||September 16, 2021 5:10 PM|
The posters on WS are saying that on that 911 tape the night of the murders you can hear AM say in anguish " Oh Paul! Why did you have to get involved?" I haven't listened to it yet, so idk but if that is true it makes him look very guilty.
|by Anonymous||reply 499||September 16, 2021 5:27 PM|
Alex's mug shot. Notice the total lack of head wound. He's lost a ton of weight too.
|by Anonymous||reply 500||September 16, 2021 5:38 PM|
Any more dead bodies popping up? It’s like the Whack-A-Mole of accidental deaths.
|by Anonymous||reply 501||September 16, 2021 5:39 PM|
Yeah, the idea that his assailant shot poorly and then lost his nerve is not believable.
|by Anonymous||reply 502||September 16, 2021 5:41 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 503||September 16, 2021 5:41 PM|
R499 It is difficult to hear what Alex is saying on that call because the banshee 911 operator keeps talking over him.
But I can hear him moaning about "Paul" & "involved."
It makes me wonder if he went to kill Maggie, not expecting Paul to be there, and had to kill Paul because he was then a witness.
|by Anonymous||reply 504||September 16, 2021 5:41 PM|
That mugshot is the best looking picture I've seen from this bunch.
|by Anonymous||reply 505||September 16, 2021 5:42 PM|
Oh no, Sylvia, the ginger hair is gone!
|by Anonymous||reply 506||September 16, 2021 5:43 PM|
Where's the GoFundMe?
|by Anonymous||reply 507||September 16, 2021 5:44 PM|
Where does he get off listing his hair color as “blonde or strawberry,” honey that’s gray hair and for a very obvious reason all the shit you’ve been pulling. Strawberry, that ridiculous, even for the south.
|by Anonymous||reply 508||September 16, 2021 5:46 PM|
[quote]Nobody there would want someone like Poirot digging all the skeletons out of the local closets, but some old pal could have invited Miss Marple to come and stay in rural South Carolina for months
I think it's more a job for Vera.
|by Anonymous||reply 509||September 16, 2021 5:46 PM|
During the 911 call, after he is asked for the address the operator asks Alex if it’s a house or a mobile home.
He replies, “It’s a HOUSE!”
How dare she imply otherwise.
|by Anonymous||reply 510||September 16, 2021 5:52 PM|
Mandy can’t be bothered with CNN because she’s too involved in Executive Producing the new CW show “Mandy Matney: Lowlands Websleuth (TM) News Director” starring Olivia Rodrigo and the cast of Outer Banks.
|by Anonymous||reply 511||September 16, 2021 5:54 PM|
Supposedly on the September 4 phone call to the 911 operator they asks Alex if the Mercedes Benz is owned or leased and he screams back “Owned of course!!!”
|by Anonymous||reply 512||September 16, 2021 5:57 PM|
Or R504, maybe he hired someone to off Maggie thinking Paul wouldn’t be home.
|by Anonymous||reply 513||September 16, 2021 5:59 PM|
[quote] Where does he get off listing his hair color as “blonde or strawberry,” honey that’s gray hair and for a very obvious reason all the shit you’ve been pulling. Strawberry, that ridiculous, even for the south.
Sounds like a DataLounger!
|by Anonymous||reply 514||September 16, 2021 5:59 PM|
Arraignment at 4 pm, 2 hours from now.
|by Anonymous||reply 515||September 16, 2021 6:06 PM|
He looks better with grey hair.
|by Anonymous||reply 516||September 16, 2021 6:07 PM|
R515 Will they be broadcasting live?
|by Anonymous||reply 517||September 16, 2021 6:08 PM|
Olivia doesn't have Vocal Fry. Better a Kardassian.
|by Anonymous||reply 518||September 16, 2021 6:11 PM|
r493 I would think the blonde living in a van girl's death would be right up Nancy Grace's alley
|by Anonymous||reply 519||September 16, 2021 6:15 PM|
R517, Reddit says live-streamed. Whatever, wherever, that is.
|by Anonymous||reply 520||September 16, 2021 6:16 PM|
Look on the Hampton County’s Facebook page or on their YouTube linked below for livestream
|by Anonymous||reply 521||September 16, 2021 6:21 PM|
The arraignment will be very uneventful. It'll just provide the opportunity to check out the sides and back of his head for visible signs of trauma. Would his lawyers lie so blatantly about his injuries? Not good optics. My only other question is if he'll be rolled into the courtroom in a wheelchair as a sympathy ploy. ♿
|by Anonymous||reply 522||September 16, 2021 7:32 PM|
[quote] the 911 operator they asks Alex if the Mercedes Benz is owned or leased
Hard to believe...a 911 operator would not be asking that question.
|by Anonymous||reply 523||September 16, 2021 7:42 PM|
The 911 operator also asked if it was his real hair.
|by Anonymous||reply 524||September 16, 2021 7:43 PM|
My theory is Maggie was the person to schedule Alex’s hair touch ups, but with her dead he hasn’t been on top of them.
|by Anonymous||reply 525||September 16, 2021 7:51 PM|
Alex’s lawyer arrives- through the back door.
|by Anonymous||reply 526||September 16, 2021 8:01 PM|
CNN showing video of AM in court right now. From behind his hair is still ginger-tinged.
|by Anonymous||reply 527||September 16, 2021 8:11 PM|
Shouldn’t he have to surrender the boat, not the small deadly one, but the seaworthy one?
|by Anonymous||reply 528||September 16, 2021 8:16 PM|
Damn, his bond was only set at $20,000. Randy could find 20K in his sofa cushions.
The corruption continues!
|by Anonymous||reply 529||September 16, 2021 8:38 PM|
Now there's a town with civilized law enforcement.
|by Anonymous||reply 530||September 16, 2021 8:58 PM|
A Slate writer reviews the events, and says that the whole “attempted suicide” thing looks like an attempt by Alex to create sympathy for himself.
The article also says that MORE than $10 million may have been stolen from the law firm. That presumably represented insurance payments for personal injury cases, and there’s no way those could have disappeared without other people noticing it.
|by Anonymous||reply 531||September 16, 2021 10:41 PM|
[quote]Buster needs to hire a bodyguard, to protect himself from himself.
Mr. Buster is surrounded by several large muscular Black men at all times
|by Anonymous||reply 532||September 17, 2021 12:04 AM|
I wonder if Buster and Lady Lindz every bumped booties on Grindr.
|by Anonymous||reply 533||September 17, 2021 12:40 AM|
I’ve not had time to check this thread for a few days. What’s new? Has Paw been charged yet?
|by Anonymous||reply 534||September 17, 2021 12:45 AM|
Nancy Grace, John Waters, or other interested producers/parties/showfolk:
here's your title/subtitle: Ginger: Snapped!
©2021 Liz Ard rates/terms upon request!
|by Anonymous||reply 535||September 17, 2021 2:37 AM|
So, I was checking FITSNEWS and what I read there cleared up a couple things re the double murders.
Paul, shot with shotgun
Ma, shot with the automated weapon
at the dog kennels 1/4 mile from the lodge which is a good distance when you think about it.
The murders happened three days before a court hearing re a lawsuit by the Beach family. One of the motions that the judge would rule on would force Alex to turn over his financial records. We know now that he’d embezzled millions from his law firm so I imagine that would be revealed.
The hearing was canceled due to the murders.
I originally thought Paul’s death was revenge for Mallory Beach and Ma was collateral. But all of Mallory’s family and presumably her boyfriend took DNA tests and the police have ruled them out. Alex Murtaugh remains “a person of interest”.
His alibi is that he was at his father’s deathbed. His father had been released to die at home. No mention of who was also there but I assume there was a nurse at least.
The website also says there’s a lot more dirty stuff that could come out about that county, it’s very corrupt, everyone knows it. Personally, I think once they tie Alex to the double murders and he confesses, they’ll wrap it up. The housekeepers death, the sons will get their money and that will be the end of it. Steven Smith’s death was so mishandled, evidence gone missing…it’s all rumor, so that will go unsolved. Some low level people might get fined or fired but the real power structure—and it wasn’t that useless sot Alex Murtaugh—will still be intact.
|by Anonymous||reply 536||September 17, 2021 3:00 AM|
The judge let the WHITE RICH Man go to rehab. No word yet on how many poor black men the judge sent to rehab today...
|by Anonymous||reply 537||September 17, 2021 4:08 AM|
Will be interesting to find out what Alex "shares" in group therapy. Maybe an undercover cop can enter rehab as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 538||September 17, 2021 5:09 AM|
He's still found the time to get some sun.
|by Anonymous||reply 539||September 17, 2021 5:10 AM|
it is just me or the Petito disappearance is taking over and Murdaugh case is fading away, probably people figure out it is just a matter of time for Alex to confess everything.
|by Anonymous||reply 540||September 17, 2021 5:50 AM|
R540 People have run out of room tracking this on their murder wall and all the red strings are getting tangled. Best to start over on a new wall, new crime and only one murder- when the body’s found that is.
|by Anonymous||reply 541||September 17, 2021 6:09 AM|
Can someone check to make sure that Paw now knows that if he kills himself, I will get the money.
|by Anonymous||reply 542||September 17, 2021 6:40 AM|
R540 Fade away? I don't think so, but if it does, it will be from disgust/hopelessness that anything will be revealed because SLED continues to allow Alex's lawyers to shape the narrative.
|by Anonymous||reply 543||September 17, 2021 12:07 PM|
Given the power the family had in the legal and court system couldn't these cases be moved to a different part of the state?
|by Anonymous||reply 544||September 17, 2021 12:11 PM|
R544, they should be!
|by Anonymous||reply 545||September 17, 2021 1:28 PM|
I caught some of the hearing yesterday, on the feed from the Hamilton Co. Sheriff's Department, which was filmed directly from behind Alex. I joined it about 5 minutes into the hearing, and it appeared that it was all just about over with by that point, the judge had set the bond already. The best moment was very soon afterwards, when Alex stood up to be hustled out of the courtroom and his jail pants slipped about halfway down his pants, revealing the top of his bare ass. No underwear, I guess you don't get that when you're a suicide attemptee...He had no visible marks of any kind on any part of his head (and very recently trimmed hair, too, based on the hairline in back).
|by Anonymous||reply 546||September 17, 2021 1:55 PM|
Uh-oh, Alex. Not only did he apparently fail to hand over the insurance settlement proceeds re the housekeeper's "trip and fall" accident (diverting the money to himself, obviously - and WHY did an insurance company allow him to get HIS hands on that money since it belonged to Ms. Satterfield's sons?), but now the Hamilton County police authorities are contending that there are "inconsistencies" in the story regarding just how the poor lady died. A new criminal investigation has been opened into her death, AND Ms. Satterfield's sons have filed yet another wrongful death suit against poor ole Paw.
|by Anonymous||reply 547||September 17, 2021 2:19 PM|
[quote]diverting the money to himself, obviously - and WHY did an insurance company allow him to get HIS hands on that money since it belonged to Ms. Satterfield's sons?
The sons' lawyer was Alex's college roommate. And Alex and he appointed another friend of theirs to act as the representative of the Satterfield family instead of the sons. That way, the friend could sign any settlement agreements with the insurance companies and the sons would be none the wiser.
|by Anonymous||reply 548||September 17, 2021 3:17 PM|
[quote]Alex Murdaugh's late housekeeper 'viewed him as family,' lawyer says
That language was included in the obit by Alex.
According to the Reddit page, someone from their town wrote that the housekeeper had told people that she was afraid of Alex and Paul the week she "slipped"
|by Anonymous||reply 549||September 17, 2021 3:19 PM|
R547, the attorney who represented the housekeeper’s family funneled the insurance money payout to Alex. It’s discussed in the link at R531.
|by Anonymous||reply 550||September 17, 2021 3:31 PM|
I’d like to know where all the embezzled millions went to. Haven’t heard of any bank accounts in the Cayman Islands. Sadly, I don’t think they will be any money left for the housekeeper’s sons or the Beach family.
|by Anonymous||reply 551||September 17, 2021 3:33 PM|
R551 You can count on that, buddy!
|by Anonymous||reply 552||September 17, 2021 3:35 PM|
Netflix will have several series in the pipeline on this. The first two:
"Buster's Millions"- A zany, madcap romp based on the Murdaughs' financial shenanigans
"If I Did It" - Alex's truth
|by Anonymous||reply 553||September 17, 2021 4:25 PM|