Andrew Sullivan….who nominated this bitch to speak for us?

Holy shit, he was awful. Truly an asshole.

Andrew who?

Andrew Sullivan has a lot of common sense. He is not a Far Left Radical which is why a lot of people don't like him. He dares to sometimes disagree with the political sacred cows of our current society.

Pudgy bald has-been.

Welcome to Datalounge, Andrew at r3

OP, do you have a Youtube clip for us to look at?

Do you have an extract for some recent journalism?

Do you have something fresh to say?

Do you have a rationale for starting yet ANOTHER thread on the same subject you've started at least TEN times already?

Never started one on Miss Sullivan, hunty. Are you that tedious troll who used to shriek on every other thread @ the OP never doing a search on the topic before starting a particular thread? 🙄 Are you really this bored, or just stupid? Anyone here can search any of the 80 threads I have started (if it is really that important to someone….lol), there is not even one on the Republicant Sullivan. Maybe R5 is correct.

[quote] Apparently Miss Thing has a new book out tomorrow

OP; are you recommending that we buy this new book?

The right nominated him. They also nominated Camille Paglia.

[quote] I cannot imagine that the locals here feel very positive about him.

Who are these 'locals' you're talking about? Where are you?

Good gawd no, R8, I am not a fan.

R3 - you've got to be joking. We're not that easily fooled. No, he does not have common sense.

Once in a while, he's not as awful as he usually is and is sane. But that doesn't mean he has common sense or should be respected.

He's a gay conservative who still backs conservatives, Catholic church and anything else just to be 'the gay conservative' guy.

R3 "He is not a Far Left Radical". O rly. My sides, my sides.

[quote] Once in a while, he's not as awful as he usually is

R12 Do you think he's dangerous?

Do you think he's a bad influence on weak-minded gays?

He adds immense value to the Gay Community. I know immediately that I oppose everything he says.

Lol @ R15

[Quote] Once in a while, he's not as awful as he usually is

You need to have a higher hitting average than this to be a writer.

Andrew Sullivan? Who? Oh, the Milky Loads guy!

He's such a contrarian, and has gone from right to left and back to right again so many times I've lost count.

I don't understand how people can take him seriously over time when they see him switch sides so often. He's intelligent, but he ultimately doesn't stand for anything, other than for himself.

R18 I'd read him if he wrote about his life as Milky Loads.

[quote] but he ultimately doesn't stand for anything, other than for himself

You sound sensible, R19. whereas the OP has got his knickers in a knot insisting that the writer is "speaking for us".

I don't see anywhere that the writer is "speaking for us" or claiming to "speaking for us".

Yeah, he should write a book called "Milky Loads: The Story of a HIV+ Gay Conservative Hypocrite".

He's always openly been conservative.

[quote] He's always openly been conservative.

Well, if he always been 'openly conservative' why does the OP claim that he's 'speaking for us'?

He looked good when he was young but aged horribly, and he was a bottom all along.

R24 because op is a cunt

[quote] He's always openly been conservative.

Except when he supported gay rights. But then he was pro-Iraq War. But then he was pro-Obama. But then he was anti-Hillary. But then he was anti-Trump. Now he's anti-wokeness.

So honored by the presence of Czarina Sullivan and her minions.

R27 Perhaps he's some kind of philosopher who works through ideas?

I don't know, I haven't read any of his books. But it seems the OP hasn't read any either.

[quote] because op is a cunt

R26 Perhaps the OP is playing at being a victim.

R3 must be so dumb.

Perhaps R29 is a crypto fascist and a milky load donor to La Sullivaign? It is a very warm time of year for snowflakes. Rough patch dear?

[R27] Perhaps he's some kind of philosopher who works through ideas?

If by "some kind of philosopher" you mean an ersatz philosopher, then you're right.

[quote]He is not a Far Left Radical which is why a lot of people don't like him.

This alone makes you dumb. This line has gotten so tiresome. You people are so blinded by your hysteria over the "far-left" that you've decided any stupid, simplistic and incorrect criticism is a valid critique and "common sense" when really, it's incredibly lazy and just wrong. You prioritize and magnify the threats of the left via false narratives and dismiss the very real threat from the right and ignore the "literal violence" and anti-democratic lies and legislation.

He apparently finds CRT (which he lied about when he mentioned what it's about) far more a threat and problematic than the ignorance of anti-vaxxers/covid deniers and said we just have to live with it. So a deadly virus he treats as something almost quaint, while endlessly whining about how right-wingers are being "polarized" by the left.

This is what the "moderate" has become. Someone who is constantly whining about the far-left and engaging in hyperbolic bullshit about what the left stands for as they dismiss, excuse and molly-coddle the violent, racist, bigoted right-wing.

I knew he was still an idiot when he referred to Trump as a "political genius." Yeah, it takes real genius to simply say racist shit out loud rather than be subtle about it as the GOP has been since the CRA when they went full KKK in suits. Trump's "genius" is in that he such a classless, unfiltered low-life that he lacks the decency to have any semblance of civility. He's uncouth, simpleton trash - that's his "genius"

mollycoddle*

Another example of homosexuality being wasted on somebody unworthy of it.

R33 You're mentioning the past president while R27 says he's always changing.

Is he changing his attitude over these issues from the last decade?

Perhaps the OP can tell us Sullivan's latest attitude seeing as how he's the one who started this unnecessary thread.

BTW, where does he even get off talking shit about the left and immigrants? The motherfucker hadn't even become a citizen yet and he had already broken our drug laws. Meanwhile, you know this fucking asshole would be apoplectic if some non-white immigrant had done something similar. He really is just a douchebag.

He’s a bore. His love of the sound of his own voice confuses him into thinking there are people who care what he says, outside his own particular echo chamber. Irrelevant.

He is to politics as Danny Pintauro is to acting.

Why did the OP start this thread?

R36=unnecessary Republicant troll. Read Daphne, read! Reading is fundamental! Google is your friend.

La Grand Dame Sullivan has so many loyal supplicants here!

He called for an invasion of Israel. What an asshole.

r33, conservative pundits always rely on making the opposition and the opposition's current agenda the greatest threat there is right now. That's why we got "vaccination = bad!", because us Liberals are pushing for it.

Critical Race Theory is the latest distracting buzzword. Before that, it was the Radical Left Cancel Culture and the constant whining that Liberals make everything worse. They literally get paid to complain about the devious Liberal agenda. The conservative pundit's main agenda is to earn their salary, not to do what's good for his country.

[quote] Perhaps the OP can tell us Sullivan's latest attitude seeing as how he's the one who started this unnecessary thread.

This should go in the "passive-aggressive language" thread

Sorry,

The conservative pundit's main agenda is to earn his salary, not to do (and say) what's actually good for his country.

[quote] Read Daphne, read! Reading is fundamental!

Read what? The OP has given us nothing.

No new text. No new video. Nothing.

Is your Googler broken, R47?

[quote] Andrew Sullivan….who nominated this bitch to speak for us?

The OP nominated this bitch.

Poor widdle snowflake R49 needs an ESL class. I abhor Empress Sullivan, thus the thread. Is it a bit slow over at the Daily Stormer tonight, dear?

I don't care if Google knows my gay porn search history. But searching anything related to Andrew Sullivan (well, other than Milky Loads)? That would be embarrassing.

The obsession with "woke" "woke" "woke"....the same people who dismiss 1/6. Sick people

Use DuckDuckGo. They say they will look the other way and I trust them over Google.

This is the designated gay friend of your dad's generation - accent that sounds fancy to US ears and well educated by US standards.

He parrots stale talking points on cue. His writing is only provocative if you haven't kept up with the rest of his merry band of assholes.

His head looks like a thumb. I hope he's resting it on the weakening pulse of of neoconservativism.

Trump revealed the neoconservatives to be as cowardly as the neoliberals.

R26, I’d rather be a cunt than own a necrotic and rancid one as you do, dear. Douche or die, hunty.

Detest him.

I have mentioned this before, but back in 2015, I went to a daylong LGBT summit hosted by The Atlantic. The event closed with an interview with Andrew Sullivan by an Atlantic editor. The whole event up until that point was about "unfinished business," about how although progress has been made, workplace discrimination is still affecting people, people in non-urban areas still are pressured to stay in the closet, to be 'converted,' etc. And there were really harrowing stories, like a transgender woman from a Central American country who was beaten by police in the street and left to die. They only stopped beating her because she was unconscious and they thought she was dead. She survived and was granted refugee status in the US because she would have been killed by authorities in her home country.

After all that, The Atlantic decided to give Andrew Sullivan the final word.

This was during the Obama era, one year before Trump was elected.

Sullivan's final word was that gay rights have been won, period. That what is left to be done is insignificant—he talked about wedding cakes—and that the only reason "LGBT" is packaged together is because organizations like HRC and GLAAD et al have become industries that need an excuse to sustain themselves financially, but that ultimately gay men and women should be satisfied and realize that advocacy for gay rights has run its course. He said something like, "we have our rights now, and the reality is that the clock does not turn back on progress."

I was sitting there stewing, like does this idiot know anything about history, and why would The Atlantic program an event like this, telling all these traumatic stories and having EEOC officials talk about how we can still be fired for being gay, and then prance out this fool?

Afterward, I talked to a little gaggle of lesbians who regarded themselves as intellectuals. One mentioned that she had been a professor at Georgetown but was recently let go and she was suing for discrimination. She and her friends were gushing about Sullivan. One of them called him a genius. I told them that he is extremely short sighted to claim that once rights are awarded they are never taken away and that I was very bothered The Atlantic scheduled him to close the event with that perspective and the women sort of rolled their eyes. I left. I wrote to both Sullivan and the head of the Atlantic summits afterward with my thoughts and neither replied. A year later, we were living under Trump.

Andrew Sullivan is a pompous conservative blowhard who does not know what he is talking about, and he is routinely given a platform in major respectable media outlets and told to speak on behalf of gay people. I find him revolting and I don't know how he got into his position except that he talked about being HIV positive when it was still taboo and that was regarded as brave at the time, but it doesn't make him smart or decent.

R57 says it better than anyone else. Thanks…you can speak for me anytime!

Sullivan is a hack. The media uses people like him to create and establish narratives that suit the ones running the media. Media is a public opinion manipulation tool first and foremost. Hence, Sullivan supposedly speaking for "all the gays" and all the effort that has to go into disputing that.

[quote] He said something like, "we have our rights now, and the reality is that the clock does not turn back on progress."

But what about the whacko transvestites who are now taking over?

He's a mass of contradictions. He grew up fairly lower class, yet went to Oxford and became president of the Oxford Union. As you would expect, he's as a result a terrible snob: he looked down on all Rhodes Scholars at Oxford and even wrote an exposé on them at SPY, called "All Rhodes Lead to Nowhere", about how they never achieve anything, only to then see an Oxford Rhodes scholar become elected president (which is why he's always loathed the Clintons).

He has been a devout Catholic since he was a boy, but he is always contorting the dictates of his faith to argue the Church;'s teachings allow for his homosexuality.

He was piously asking gay men to settle down and get married and assimilate while he was secretly simultaneously taking all comers/cummers underneath the Provincetown "Dick Dock." When the news broke that he did this sort of thing (thanks to a personal ad originally exposed here on DL where he showed off his dick and ass and said "I TAKE MILKY LOADS, I GIVE MILKY LOADS"), he became very bitter, and complained that his privacy was being taken away, even though he had himself initially mocked Clinton's own private life during the beginning of the Lewinsky scandal.

He loathes political correctness and wokeness because he complains it's no one else's right to tell him what to say or think, and yet he is always preaching to other people what their beliefs should be.

I just pretty much ignore him now. He just isn't taken very seriously anymore as a pundit by anyone except Bill Maher (who loves that Sullivan is a libertarian and a contrarian).

[quote] I just pretty much ignore him now

Well that's sensible.

But the OP 'abhors' him so we now have this stale thread with nothing new and lots of old memories,

R62 is the public library closed? Have you not read OP’s comment? AS was on the 11th Hour which is repeated several times per day. The “new” book by AS ( which is mostly AS’ writing history),an anthology, comes out tomorrow. The only things stale here are fumes from your fetid cunt and your clouded “thinking.”

I can't fucking stand Andrew Sullivan.

It's more than just simple political disagreements, it's the way he handles it. There's an arrogance to him that is just unbelievably gross. And a lot of it is contrarianism for the sake of so. Unfortunately, he doesn't get challenged enough and called out, like say, Shapiro or Coulter. I don't know if it's the gay thing, or what, but he seems to get too much of a pass. The only time I rarely see him get his ass handed to him is on Bill Maher, and even then, he gets away with too much.

I think what I can't stand the most about him (and all these 'conservative/libertarian/contrarian' types) is he harps on the liberals and democrats, but never gives his own side the thrashing they deserve. Never to the same level. That somehow the 'liberal boogeyman' is a bigger threat to us than what the Republican party, and modern American conservatism, have actually become...and now, the very real threat they pose to democracy. I find that shtick, that so many of these pundits have, awfully transparent.

R61 - that attack piece on Rhodes scholars is rich considering he received an equivalent one to study at Harvard - and then he FUCKING STAYED here permanently.

All of the criticisms in this thread are true - he's a contrarian for kicks and publicity. He supports the Catholic church over and over, despite its stance on homosexuality and all of the abuse cases. He carries the water for conservatives as the token gay man who will support their positions.

He's really not too far off from Candace Owens - although he is better educated. Unfortunately, they have so few acknowledged gay commentators on shows, that he, by default, DOES speak for us.

He's an attention seeking, imperious snob with inconsistent viewpoints and a questionable morality. We have close to 35 years of proof - this isn't an opinion, it is fact.

He is now 58 years old.

He's too smart for most of the queens here, so all they can do is resort to ad hominem attacks. They're certainly utterly incapable of intelligently debating his arguments.

Agree r67. I found him refreshingly intelligent. I don’t agree with a lot of what he said but some of it is good. The whole argument that he is a mass of contradictions is great. That makes him an individual.

What I love is when the Left hate being called out for their bullshit, but they love to paint anyone who disagrees with them as a Nazi or fascist or racist, traitor, stupid, bigot etc. they just wipe anyone not like them as extreme Right Wing trolls. When you say something like that back to then, it is all “ omg you can’t do that. That is so unfair. . I can call you every nasty name I can think of, but your not a person so it doesn’t matter, but me , why say such horrible things?”

He's an awful piece of shit of a person and so is anyone who supports him.

[quote]They're certainly utterly incapable of intelligently debating his arguments.

Oh, please. Is this the best you can do? It's certainly easy to refute the garbage he said last night on Brian Williams' show. He seems to appeal to the neocon Dems who are easily impressed.

If you watched him, he lied about what CRT is and he downplayed Covid, specifically because the ignorance is coming from the right. So even in the face of ignorance of a deadly disease, he took the right-wing position to be less concerned about a deadly virus and more concerned about CRT making "the children hate themselves for being white!" He apparently feels we should "just live with" a deadly virus, but not live with being introspective about the history of this country because heaven forbid we shatter the fragile egos of the entitled.

He's the kind of gay men "liberals" like Bill Maher love.

Exactly, R71. They think anyone who questions them is a "snowflake." They want to chalk every fucking thing up to "woke" as their go-to security blanket rather than actually be made to defend their ignorance and hypocrisy.

OP is admitting to watching Brian Williams. lol

[quote] America has been a story of getting past some of the worst things we have done and the real dynamic of America is progressing from them and we have made progress. Americans will look to the future.

[quote] And Americans don`t want to be told that their country is somehow intrinsically evil at its root, and can never be better. If the Democrats have that attitude, like scolding people, lecturing them, telling them the words they can say and cannot say, treating people they disagree with as if they`re somehow morally wrong, they`re not going to win votes that way.

He's more concerned about woke nonsense than covid - that sums up why these anti-woke people have become far more tiresome than woke itself.

They've so magnified "woke" crap that they obsess on it and it has become far more of a threat to them than a deadly virus with variants.

Some little liberal arts college does something that can be construed as "woke" or "cancel culture" and idiots like Sullivan try to make it sound as though it's widespread. He never has the level of venom for literal domestic terrorists and insurrectionists that he does for the "woke" crowd.

He's the right-wing's favorite House Faggot.

He walked so Milo could run (and eventually implode).

OP thinks BLM should speak for us.

Yeah, he was on Morning Joe this morning crowing about cancel culture among white liberal elites. Oxford and Harvard educated white Briton, Andrew Sullivan, scolding “elites” from his house in Provincetown. Just absurd.

I thought he was very good this morning on Morning Joe. I may not agree with him on many topics, but he was spot on this morning on damning cancel culture and as Rev. Al likes to call them, "Latte Liberals".

He's why cancel culture is both necessary and just.

R73 thinks she’s above Brian Williams…lol

Who is the equivalent of Andrew Sullivan on the Left? We have no one. We’re stuck with this Republicant gasbag speaking for us. We need to put someone else in front of the cameras, because this neo-fascist is only in it for himself.

Thanks OP for the alert

[quote] We need to put someone else in front of the cameras

Don is the Man!

R82 Gore Vidal had a good run.

He’s on 60 Minutes tonight.

Andrew Sullivan is on 60 Minutes tonight

and NO - Anderson Cooper is not doing the interview, as it would be a conflict due to their past relationship

I did enjoy his article saying that Pope Benedict was gay.

i like him. he was also hot for awhile in the early 2000s.

Early 90s version was hottest, but only as a hate fuck. He’s a lifelong troglodyte.

Milky Loads needs to go away

OP- Who nominated that OTHER bitch to speak for us-

Dan Savage

dan savage is the WÜRST

and ugly to bööt

watching him on 60 Minutes now - wow he is showing so much empathy

Sullivan is a stuffed ass. Pompous thunder turd doesn't even begin to describe his demeanor.

Andrew Sullivan is intelligent, was a supporter of gay marriage when it seemed like a pipe dream, and he’s been living with HIV for 30 years. So what if he’s pompous. He has accomplished a lot and gets to be pompous.

I never heard of this person before. But he's being interviewed right now on CBS, and he needs to hurry the fuck up because I want to see Adele sing next.

This is Andrew Sullivan husband - lucky bitch

OP- I'd rather have Richard Simmons speak for us.

OP, you MUST answer r6's questions, because she obviously is the Queen-Empress of the Universe.

As he gets older, he looks more and more like Logan Roy.

My grandma was right: after fifty, you get the face you deserve.

Guess I'm in the minority, but I've never thought of Brian Williams as anything but a dumb jock hired for his looks.

Andrew Sullivan spent a generation railing against the evils of any sort of Health Care reform in the United States, while free NHS was only a plane flight away for him.

[R28], I've always thought of Ms. Sullivan as 'Principessa.'

Andrew Sullivan only speaks for Andrew Sullivan.

[quote] Guess I'm in the minority, but I've never thought of Brian Williams as anything but a dumb jock hired for his looks

Guess you’ve never actually listened to him in conversation with another person. He is hardly a dumb jock.

Andrew Sullivan is right about wokeism and the trans problem.

He’d be a lot more palatable if he weren’t so full of himself.

He do be very strident.

You don't have to agree with everything he says.

I enjoy reading him. His viewpoints.

Glad he's around.

i just watched his 60 Minutes interview and he makes a lot of sense about how our system should be about arguing, then compromising. Too much tribalism will be our downfall.

Oh boy.

“ Andrew Sullivan is on 60 Minutes defending "The Bell Curve" in case anyone was under the impression that it's not 1994.”

(What’s so bad about The Bell Curve exactly?)

BUMP

The Bell Curve is sort of Scientific Racism.

The Bell Curve is definitively very creepy. It lessens my opinion of Andrew Sullivan.

I watched it. He is about as relevant to Gay issues as Mayor Pete is. Both are only out for themselves.

Is he still a religious loon demanding that the government cater to religious nuts?

I actually think he speaks sense. You don’t have to agree with everything someone says to think some of what they say is correct. I think he is a good speaker.

R117 = I didn't watch it closely but Andrew seems to think HE is the only gay person who lost friends to AIDS. Oh, and he HAS AIDS, so, he pretty much nailed the gay stereotype. He also was in shorts and his body is weird. Skinny legs and Santa above the waist. So gross. I turned the channel.

Everyone who speaks about the Gay Community thinks they are the only Gay in the village , that is why I am so loving so many different voices who speak about the differences they have.

He was one of the major Gay voices behind Gay Marriage when everyone believed he was insane and it worked. He should be a hero to us , but because we are divided atm , he is the enemy.

Sorry, OP. Should he have 'gay' men like this talking on our behalf instead?

Those quotations should have been around the word 'man' as well, or instead, R120.

OP who do you suggest should speak for us? Asking seriously, as I wonder about our public intellectuals.

Pathetic straw man @ R120 is an AS fuck buddy and LCR charter member.

I have no problem with people like Andrew Sullivan, Caitlyn Jenner, or Mary Cheney speaking for themselves, or Log Cabin, but there is no way that their POV is emblematic of the LGBT population at large, R122. The MSM is irresponsible for making it seem so. There are many examples of great LGBT thinkers who are more inclusive and broad based than AS and his merry band of Republican apologists and Catholic Church supporters. My personal favorites are people like Pete Buttigieg, Rachel Maddow, Devon Brooks, Jared Polis, Charles Blow, Paulette Jordan, or George Takei. There are many others, especially emerging leaders who are more youthful. I think it’s lazy to get a quick and predictable quote from AS or Dan Savage, instead of looking for more diverse, dynamic, or progressive thinkers (& doers). Thanks for asking.

Milky Loads loves the Catholic Church, which HATES HIM.

Milky Loads is a gay man with the gall to say women should not have abortions, because CATHOLIC CHURCH.

A gay man who will never be in the position of inseminating a woman and fertilizing an egg is as far removed from the situation as one can possibly be, and should STFU FOREVER about women's rights to reproductive choice.

There are plenty of reasons to disagree with Andrew Sullivan without lying about his positions, R125.

His stance on abortion:

"I favor legal abortion in the classic but now unfashionable formulation: safe, legal, rare. "

It's like the media runs a welfare program and Andrew is in it. He's wrong, relentlessly, about most things. He treats this neo-phrenology Bell Curve bullshit like it has a leg to stand on. He comes from a long tradition in English journalism of just making shit up. And yet he still gets book deals, respectability, attention.

It's amazing what an English accent can accomplish.

Ya all really need to learn to think for yourselves, rather than letting the tv tell you what to think.

Like OAN and Faux News?

Beasts!

Rare means 'almost impossible and very hard to get'.

[quote]He treats this neo-phrenology Bell Curve bullshit like it has a leg to stand on.

He told 60 Minutes last night that he regrets publishing the infamous National Review excerpt from "The Bell Curve."

(Why he was deemed worthy of a 60 Minutes profile at this point, I don't know.)

If so, this is the first time in 20 years he's said anything like that. He's defended it and its publication for decades.

And the way he defends it deserves special scorn. Because he acts like he's some brave soldier for speech by airing this dumb bullshit. When really, if the same scientific racism were aimed at any other class ("does science say Jews are cheap?"), he'd have been crucified.

[quote] Gay and a practicing Catholic.

A despicable queen with self loathing issues and a third grade intellect as it's required of anyone following any religion, let alone one that blames a talking snake for everything.

Yes, please, let's debate with the Qanon loons who rioted on January 6 and then compromise with them.

What is the compromise position with people who want to execute their political opponents?