Surfside Six Feet Under - Miami Condo Collapse - Part 4

We are still a few hundred posts away for this OP, you are very forward thinking.

But you forgot a link to Part 3:

Someone had to start a new thread since the cat morons hijacked the last one.

Survivor Raysa Rodriguez' lawsuit testimony includes her story of her harrowing journey down from the crumbling building's 9th floor, including a stop to rescue her 80-year-old neighbor.

A doctor on MSNBC yesterday said that after 72 hours the chance of finding survivors are slim to none.

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They're all dead. They need to just call it. They did the same thing on 9-11, giving false hope to victims' families; but no one was pulled out alive after the initial 72 hours or so.

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Someone needs attention, apparently

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The whole thing is a great metaphor for American society. Rotting away from neglect and an unwillingness to spend money for public good while only looking out for one's own interests.

did they get the animals out yet? What the fuck are these rescue team doing?

No cats! no Justice!

Ok, I love my pet but lets be real here. They arent getting the damn cats out. They might not even be alive after 8+ days or might have crawled to another area. If they dont know where they are, how are they going to go searching for them in a flimsy, ready to collapse building.

Second, there are one hundred plus people rotting under the rubble. They arent going to stop digging them out, or risk the lives of first responders. Responders who are working 12 hr shifts & are on the brink of having a breakdown for Mr Floofychops who is probably dead in a closet somewhere.

Lastly, pets are not considered the same level as people. They are property. You can buy a cat in a pet store. So no, sorry, they arent getting them out.

r12, they're working hard to add at least two more victims to the collapse's death toll... Coco and Mia. It's almost like the authorities think they're actually going to SCORE POINTS by allowing Coco and Mia to die, rather than make even the TINIEST effort to save the disaster's most innocent and blameless victims likely to actually still be alive right this minute.

If nothing else, they should ask the rescue workers for volunteers, and allow them to do it for the sake of morale. After a week of excavating bodies, we NEED to give them at least ONE opportunity to go home feeling like they saved a life, instead of merely recovering bodies of the dead. Handing Coco and/or Mia to their companions and watching the happy reunion would go a really, REALLY long way towards allowing the rescuers themselves to process and come to terms with the past week.

What we really need is for one of the grieving family members to go on TV and say, "My Mom/Dad/{etc} is still under there... and if they could make their voices heard, they'd be screaming, 'Save those poor cats while you still can!'"

[quote] They arent getting the damn cats out. They might not even be alive after 8+ days or might have crawled to another area. If they dont know where they are, how are they going to go searching for them in a flimsy, ready to collapse building.

Exactly right. The cat obsessives on these threads can fuck off.

R15 - your heart is in the right place but they do not save cats before people. If they rescued a cat (considered *property*) while it was still officially a search & rescue mission, everyone would be screaming why they arent looking harder for human survivors. They just pulled a 7 yr old daughter of a fireman out. They arent concerned for Coco.

[quote] why they arent looking harder for human survivors.

Because there aren’t any. Let’s get real. No more humans are coming out of the rubble alive.

I’m in the UK, and while I was aware of this story and had been keeping abreast, I hadn’t read much attention beyond superficial details. That is until I read the last thread and the many NYT links.

And, God - this is all so fucking awful. Sadness upon sadness.

There is some A*scher-level obsessiveness on display in these threads. Put the two posting in CAPS about CATS on ignore and you will SEE.

Wouldnt it be ironic if the friggin cat stepped on the wrong tile somewhere and collapsed the rest of the building??

[quote] No cats! no Justice!

Save our pussies

Maybe this thread can be the dedicated thread for cat nuts.

Florida is finally sinking!

the reason why they are not saving those cats/animals is because there is NO RESCUE effort. It is all BULLSHIT. The people there are PISSED. They should have rescued the animals already.

I have to say, they don't really seem to have been doing what I would consider an all out effort on this, and of course, cats aside, now it's too late. I'm not there, but I get a lackadaisical vibe. This is a zillionth (I am so technical) of the scale of the WTC and the haven't made a dent. I do wonder at this point if they are just waiting for the storm to hit and sort it out for them.

the team there is trying to destroy the evidence. They are not there to RESCUE animals or people. It is a ruse. Why aren't there people trapped up there? Oh because they walked out. They could have gotten these animals out of there. They are blocking trained rescue teams from doing search and rescue. BTW, they know where these animals are.

The cats will be fine. They have the dead people to eat until they get rescued.

Found news article:

They are entering the building. They are looking for the cats too. They cannot find them. The outcry to look for the cats IS WORKING. There is a search effort (hopefully a rescue effort) occurring.

The outcry of the PUBLIC to do search efforts for the Cats is working. People are entering the building. I do not know how top notch this is, given they could care less.

Cats! Cats! Cats!

OP you bitch, you could have at least dedicated the thread to hot survivor son of Israel, who God himself spared from the destruction!

Miami is nice, so I'll say it twice. Miami is nice, Miami is nice. Miami is nice.

Cat people, please kindly continue here and leave us to discuss breaking news

[quote] Miami is nice, so I'll say it twice. Miami is nice, Miami is nice. Miami is nice.

…so I’ll say it thrice.

Wtf is with the influx of cat trolls?? Who gives a fuck about the cats? Die in a grease fire, cat trolls. 🔥

The real Part 4 is here:

And now, COVID...

[quote]Six cases of Covid-19 have developed among the search and rescue operations at Surfside, Florida, according to Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Chief Alan Cominsky.

[quote]At a news conference Friday evening, Cominsky said that the outbreak was among one of the teams from Florida.

[quote]"So we do have our medical procedures in place, you know, unfortunately, this is another challenge but something that we've been dealing with for over the past year," Cominsky said.

[quote]The task force that contained the positive Covid-19 has been "demobilized," according to the chief, and protocols, including isolation, were put into place.

I wonder if they were vaccinated. Since it's Florida, my guess is they were not.

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Thrice, R35?

If they're too stupid to get vaccinated, then there should be no issue with them risking their lives to get the cats, R39.

R38 Covid outbreak? Why aren’t these first responders vaccinated??

I could’ve been living in a swinging condo instead of living with……A SLUT AND A MORON!!

That’s been stuck in my head today, R33.

R44, I guess they’re Florida Men/Women first, and first responders second. They were part of the first group eligible to be vaccinated and ~75% declined. That was in January; I’d love to know how many have had a change of heart since then.

[quote]Less than a quarter of Miami-Dade Fire Rescue’s 2,000 firefighters and EMS squads have gotten the vaccine — 458 people in an agency of about 2,000 people, as of Friday.

Muriel isn’t letting me link the Miami Herald article but if you want to search, this is it:

[quote]Half of Miami’s COVID front line passed on vaccines. Leaders should ask why, experts say

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Damn, the Crestview association put off their 40 year inspection almost 10 years by paying fines.

[quote]Willis Howard, Sorey’s chief of staff, said the Crestview association appeared to have missed or skipped its 40-year recertification, which would have been due in 2012. The inspections that led to the January report began last August. “It had been pending for years,” he said, adding the association was fined for every year that it missed filing the report. “They were seeing how long they could kick the can down the road.”

[quote] I could’ve been living in a swinging condo instead of living with……A SLUT AND A MORON!!

Who’s the slut?

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i hope they find and save the animals today. So sorry, for those cats.

This thread makes me hope the fucking cats die.

cats

they are entering the building and searching for those cats. Who is against a rescue?

I haven't really paid any attention to these threads but what's with cats?

Who cares about the people? SAVE THE CATS 🐈!

Six feet under and moon over...

[quote]I haven't really paid any attention to these threads but what's with cats?

A couple of delusional spergs think sending rescuers into the ready-to-collapse portion of the building is a wise and feasible use of resources.

Officials Race to Demolish the Rest of the Condo Before a Storm

^^ The cats are about to get smashed.

[quote] Officials Race to Demolish the Rest of the Condo Before a Storm

Were the people who lived in the part of the complex still standing allowed to retrieve their shit, or is it too dangerous? Hope they had good renters' insurance.

Maybe if they played some ALW, the Jellicle cats would come out tonight...

It is too dangerous, r62. They haven't let them go back in.

R63 I don't understand why they just haven't shaken a bag of cat treats at the building.

If you have any sense in Florida (and many don’t), you have your important home and personal documents in a ziplock file ready to go in a hurricane evacuation. You have an mixed emergency bag ready to go for 8 days of no power or water. I hope they took that out when they evacuated.

What about the cats? I'm so worried.

All of the cat haters on here are sociopaths.

[quote]Hope they had good renters' insurance.

Ugh

Oh god so THIS is where the "NOT WITHOUT MY ZIPLOCK!" troll ended up.

Cat ladies enter here

I play for both Team Coco-Mia and Team Sanity-Reality. As much as I'd like to see Coco & Mia rescued (for their owners' sake) I understand the reality of the situation. Their owners do as well, acknowledging that the search for the bodies & the safety of rescue workers is the #1 priority. If Coco & Mia's owners can accept that, then everyone else should, too.

Nice Try r71 Ha, Ha.

Right now we are talking about engineering on the legit Part 4

Cat Troll, you EMPHATICALLY stated your boundaries in part 3. I haven't spotted your promised human chain in the background of ANY of the live reports yet. WHERE is it?

[quote]If they DARE to even CONTEMPLATE proceeding with demolition of the still-standing portion with Coco & Mia inside, I will PERSONALLY organize a human chain to desperately try and stop them.

I've read that if vaccinated, you can still catch and even carry the virus but the likelihood of dying or even needing hospitalization becomes very, very slim. But I've read so many weird things about this pandemic I don't know what to believe.

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Have you talked to your doctor, r75?

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will not attend the rally due to the ongoing search for survivors after the collapse of a 12-story condominium building in the town of Surfside on June 24. Trump reportedly advised the Republican governor to prioritize the rescue effort over his event.

DeSantis' Press Secretary Christina Pushaw confirmed that the governor will not be attending the rally in a statement.

"We can confirm that the Governor will not attend the rally in Sarasota. He spoke with President Trump, who agreed that this was the right decision, as the Governor's duty is to be in Surfside making sure the families and community have what they need in the aftermath of the tragic building collapse," she said.

Pushaw added: "Governor DeSantis would have gone to this event in normal circumstances. He is sure the rally will draw a big crowd on this holiday weekend, as many Floridians are excited to attend."

this is the worse search and rescue operation. Do they know where the animals are or not?

[quote] Christina Pushaw confirmed that the governor will not be attending the rally in a statement.

A mentally retarded 10-year-old could have constructed a better sentence. Do news outlets employ editors anymore?

lol at r78. Why is DeSantis taking advice and orders from Trump? Can he not make his own decisions? Someone needs to remind him Trump is no longer President and needs to go home, permanently.

Interesting video graphic here (sorry if already posted). I find this proposed explanation very plausible. It doesn't explain how the situation came to such failure, however.

I wish a building would collapse on top of Matt Gaetz

It could only improve his looks, r83.

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[quote] this is the worse search and rescue operation.

Oh, dear!

So the building hasn't come down yet? Officials said "first thing in the morning." Problems?

Gaetz looks like a cartoon villain in Dick Tracy or Batman.

[quote]Trump reportedly advised the Republican governor to prioritize the rescue effort over his event.

I'll believe that pigs can fly before I believe this.

Trump "advised" De Santis, but they were "feuding" over this a few days ago? More like Ivanka pillow talked some sense into dear old dad making him realize it would be bad optics to insist on his presence during a state of emergency.

What must that rock pile smell like at this point?

[quote] What must that rock pile smell like at this point?

I thought similarly about 9-11, but apparently once pulverized, dead bodies don’t produce that overwhelming rotting smell. Morbid, but true.

I knew someone who was in NY shortly after 9/11 when the rubble was still being cleared out and he said the area had an electrical smell to it.

If they are buried under piles of rubble, there may be a modest preservation going on. Oxygen and exposure to air and elements expedites decomposition. There isn't much light, air or O2 reaching the bodies under all of that right now.

[quote] I knew someone who was in NY shortly after 9/11 when the rubble was still being cleared out and he said the area had an electrical smell to it.

I lived on Bleeker when it happened. I’ll never forget that acrid, electrical smell.

[quote] I lived on Bleeker

Really?

Did you spell it correctly when you lived there?

I remember the 9/11 smell- it smelled like burning rubber to me.

In lower Chelsea we had to keep our windows shut for weeks when the wind blew up from downtown because you could feel the fine, gritlike particles you'd breathe in.

R32 Oh Fuck, he is hot

I wish he had done the interview shirtless.

The fact that 3/4 or paramedics and fire fighters in Miami didn't get vaccinated underscores that the average Miami resident has a borderline IQ (<70),

[quote]What must that rock pile smell like at this point?

Israeli Defense Forces Commander Elad Edri, who is on the ground in Surfside as part of the Israeli government’s support to the rescue effort, said that rescuers face several dangers like fires and structure instability, but that they also face the daunting task of having to find human remains in the rubble.

“They experience a heavy, heavy smell of bodies and to do the actions when you have that smell on the site is a very tough challenge,” said Col. Edri.

He'd need a tailwind to even be MEH, R32/R99.

It's 8:16 EST with a heavy storm bearing in after they announced they would demolish the remaining structures first thing this morning. And, yet...

So many unanticipateds underestimating the scope of this operation.

Demolition team to tear down what's left of Surfside condo after collapse

Go to 1.09 on the video.

[r102] when senior experts complain about NORMAL aspects and conditions of their job, are they really senior level experts?

What's next out of Florida, complaining Coroners and Pathologists?

[quote] I remember the 9/11 smell- it smelled like burning rubber to me.

Agreed. I lived in the West Village, and all I can recall in terms of smell is just burning. I don't even know what an "electrical smell" would smell like. But more than the smell, which lasted for weeks, was the dust on the subway trains (specifically the E and 1/9) once they started running again. And that plume of smoke that hung over the city for what felt like an eternity. Terrible times.

Ok so another morbid question. When someone in the media refers to recovering bodies, they basically mean pieces of tissue or body limbs, correct?

Ordinarily, yes.

I hate to say it but I wondered that also. Are any of these bodies going to be whole?

possibly, but 2 dimensional

I had a friend who perished in the 911 attack on the WTC all they found was part of his arm which was id by DNA. I doubt any complete bodies will be found since several tons of falling concrete have ripped them apart.

[quote] The cats will be fine. They have the dead people to eat until they get rescued.

Apparently. Finicky my ass...

R112 This building was only 12 stories so they will probably find the vast majority of the victims remains. The WTC was two110 -story buildings that were also burning/smoldering, so much of the remains were crushed, burned or pulverized. My former manager had perished in the WTC and they only thing they found of him was his wedding band.

After this horrific collapse, I've reconsidered buying a property in a building like this....there are too many co-owners that can screw things up. Champlain had a $15 million price tag on the repairs which came out to around $100,000 per unit owner. No one could agree on how much it would cost and many simply couldn't afford the repair assessment.

At least when you own a single-family home, your personal safety isn't tethered to their problems or incompetence.

^^^ meant to attach this article.

R116

And by future, do they mean next week? Miami Beach (on the water) hasn't been affordable for decades.