Harry finally gone native in California Part Three

Squatters' Rights!

LOL r1 !

Let battle commence!!

Which one will die first, and 2) name the cause of death. Betting pool can start now.

I think Harry will OD or die in some alcohol related accident, sadly.

Harry is an emotionally damaged dimwit, married to a manipulative cunt.

Likely, R4, unless someone (Harry) strangles MeAgain first.

First dibs!

Many will be happy to know that the Queen has said to one of her aides nothing chances from her last statement. The Queen says the she stands by "recollections may vary, that they very much love Harry and wish this would be handled as a private family matter". That's right, everyone. Almost 2 months later and recollections STILL vary according to the Queen.

R6- You know, I said over a year ago that she had best be very careful least he turn his anger out in her. He has frightening anger issues and obviously little control.

^I can EASILY seeing her soon provoking something pretty ugly in him. Their relationship is a crock, obviously, based on her manipulation, and he will figure it out soon enough.

At this stage, the Royal Family should hope he keeps raging on the way he has been. I suspect public interest is already waning. If he keeps ranting at this rate, people will be sick of him before the year ends.

They NEED to be quietly hustled off to Tanganykia or Lake Titty-caca, where they can continue their work for the poor displaced elephants, and so on. Then they can REALLY go native. Go on safari, etc.

I've just reported this thread off-site. They were very interested when I showed them the strangulation and death poll comments. Also the racist comments.

Have they burned through Katherine McPhee and surrogate dad, David Foster. Surely Charles couldn't have been worse than David?

Harry is going through a wealthy grown adult child mid life crisis. He's just living his out in public. This type of stuff is pretty common with children of affluent parents, they just stay quiet for the most part.

I agree the Harry probably has borderline personality disorder. It presents itself differently in men than women, With women it's the calling incessantly and hanging up, showing up when not wanted, things Diana did and Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction. With men it manifests in rage fits, black and white thinking, irrational beliefs. Meghan is just about the worst partner for someone like this. Harry probably needed a Kate Middleton as well.

Harry just seems to be spitting out anything, not even caring if it makes sense or who it insults. He loves attention, it doesn't trigger him. Horse hoofs do not trigger him, camera clicks only trigger him if they are pointed at William instead of him. The things he says are foolish and easily provable lies.

California girl MeGain could not be less interested in that, R12.

"Prince Harry on Apple Plus: I used drugs, alcohol to cope with Diana's death"

Drugs?

Is this ginge allowed to immigrate? Last time I looked, the Feds were in charge of immigration, not CA. Drugs are a no-no, except for the Markle consort it seems. Of course, come the divorce, she will have him deported on the drug grounds alone. She will keep the $15m pad in Montecito and make him or his family pay for its upkeep.

I can't with the triggering horse hoofs. In fact, didn't Harry announce the birth of Archie in a truly touching moment where he thanked the horses and he was Britain's prince again for a moment, after all the secrecy around Archie's birth. You would think you would't announce something so special in front of a barn full of triggers.

r14 Wasnt he reported to have a crush on Kates sister Pippa Middleton at one point?

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Yes, he was, but he then seemed to really crush on Kate. William, his mother's favorite. William, the best looking of them. William, who will be king. William, the good student. William, everything Harry can never be.

That is life, R21.

Kids with anger issues and LDs are hard for parents, Diana often seemed exasperated with him, she got her own emotional needs met from William. Other kids often avoid them and their anger issues. I have some empathy for the kids that fit that profile that I know IRL but challenges does not mean you alter reality, we must all adapt. Look at Helen Keller, not everyone has the same hand to play.

It’s really infuriating that so many of his statements are taken at face value. Apparently, his pregnant wife declared that she was going to kill herself, and then he took her out to a public engagement just hours later. That is not Husband of The Year behaviour, unless you are a manchild who thinks whingeing at daddy or granny for help is as much as you can do .

R22- The most striking thing about that photo to me is how everyone just carries on talking to each other, as if they are use to his behavior and it is normal for Harry to be an adult yet sulking like a child. Very disquieting.

R22- As a matter of fact, I wonder if Harry is aware of that photo. If I were him that would be humiliating and I would pay whatever amount of money it took to have it scrubbed from the internet.

That was my take too, R24 and it was in such a public setting, He was in his early 30s. Most adults moderate their affect around others REGARDLESS of how they feel. He either does not perceive what is expected (not likely) or does not care (very likely).

The Narkles are not well equipped for toddler or teen defiance, they lack the inner core resorces and social and family support for those challenging stages.

“They,” R13. LOL. Did you report it to the Reporting To People. Those they?

Harry is a buffoon and laughing stock.

Emperor has NO clothes Hazbean

R17 When the divorce happens, she can’t force the BRF to pay for anything, not even the house. Harry will have to do that through his own personal income and funds. He deserves to have his trust fund depleted for his poor choices. The BRF (ie Charles) might just pay her to go away permanently when the time comes, but William would NEVER give her a red cent. Precedent was recently set for the Luxembourg prince’s divorce. His wife walked away with nothing because the prince had no income and no assets in his name and the judge said her inlaws were under no obligation to fund her.

Harry is such a thick numbskull, he is falling for Meghan’s trap once again with the public drug admissions. How stupid can a person be?!

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Harry talks about he and Markle working for four years to make it work. They didn't marry until May 2018. They left for Canada late Nov 2019 and in January 2020 they announced they were stepping back and leaving.

That's not even two full years.

If he's counting 2017, they weren't even married. Markle hadn't even "hit the ground running" in 2017. She wasn't doing anything for the royal family. She was visiting London and then later in the year moved in to Kensington Palace. What's the four years they tried to make it work? They left in their second year. There was no more trying to make it work. They were gone.

^^Oh yes, they met in the latter half of 2016. They had just met. They weren't trying to make anything "royal" work. They had just begun dating. Another lie. So it's still not "four years of trying to make it work."

Harry definitely had responsibilities to his wife if she told him she had suicidal thoughts. But what about Meghan herself, the take charge, super intelligent woman? She was no doubt seeing an OB-GYN on a regular basis, had insisted Harry see a therapist as well. She had no resources? I don't believe it. Nor do I believe he just up and ignored everything at the time so they could attend the Cirque du Soleil.

I think she is creating new memories and histories for him. Some of the narcs never shut up, it's a constant barrage so you just buy into their narrative to make it easier on yourself. Then again, I think he likes the new perspective, since he's no longer responsible for anything and now he's the hero.

Harry doesn't realize he has become a namby- pamby, whining petulant wimp. Not much of a "war hero" anymore, though that was a fake persona as well.

R34. Harry sits there telling Oprah all these details, dates, drug use, doctors, etc., and Oprah never says a word. No follow-up questions. No nothing. No asking him what four years years are you talking about--you and Meghan hadn't even been married two years when you left the royal family.

And if Harry had access to all these doctors, why didn't he refer his wife to one of them? Or why didn't Meghan just ring one of them up herself? Weren't the two lovebirds talking during Harry's therapy in 2017 since it was Meghan who told him to get help. More lies from the Montecito grifters.

I think if there is hope for Britney Spears, there is hope for Harry. Maybe someone or a few in Harry's family will figure out a way to reign him in and establish a conservatorship before it's too late. I would like to see him be healthier and do better.

You all are repeating each other with stating Harry's issues. I hope for happier news.

Meghan is Harry's Sam Lufti. I love Brit but I don't think Harry has reached conservatorship level yet. It's not out of the question, but he seems like he is maintaining the crazy.

Maybe Harry will shut up once this mental health program airs.

No one wants to kill your wife, you stupid ass motherfucker. No one gives a shit about her (or you) outside of her obsessed (mostly paid for) squad. Stop trying to make your wife Diana 2.0. It's not going to happen.

The Brits on DM were saying that the night Meghan threatened to kill herself was the night they were booed by the audience at some function. Also noted was that this took place in April, a month before she went to her lavish NYC baby shower and then that Morocco trip. Maybe she was suicidal after the booing and the Queen cock blocking her Oscars appearance with the last minute trip to Morocco. She had that 100K Dior caftan maternity dress made for the Oscars and nowhere to wear it.

Let me get this straight. Hairy is now openly accusing his family of killing Diana because she was dating a person of color?

R41. No. However, Harry is trying to equate himself dating a person of color (Meghan) just the same as his mother was in a relationship with Dodi Fayed, also "a person of color"...and all of them (Harry & Meghan and Diana and Dodi) all being tormented because of Meghan and Dodi's skin color.

The problem is, no one referred to Dodi Fayed as a "person of color" in 1997. People occasionally referred to him as a Muslim and would that go over with the royal family? But Dodi's skin color was never an issue in the media or with the public in general. Harry is stretching both sets of circumstances to try and say "You see, this same thing is happening again." He's full of shit. Even the talk about Meghan's skin color is overblown and exaggerated. The royal family welcomed her openly especially with that over-the-top wedding.

r31 I sure he said in the Oprah interview that he didn't tell his family Meghan was suicidal .Now he is claiming he did. They are lost in their own lies. Badly entangled.

{quote] I've just reported this thread off-site. They were very interested when I showed them the strangulation and death poll comments. Also the racist comments.

Who are "they," freakshow?

One more time ...

[quote] I've just reported this thread off-site. They were very interested when I showed them the strangulation and death poll comments. Also the racist comments.

Who are "they," freakshow?

^^What are you talking about?

La Puta y El Pendejo de Montecito.

So Meghan is sitting there telling Harry about her detailed plans for killing both herself and his unborn child, but says the only thing stopping her is her love and admiration for him. My, that doesn't seem manipulative in the slightest!

So Markle was going to kill herself while she was pregnant, and no one helped her...not even Harry--and he's the one who was in therapy and knew the top doctors in the UK.

Harry never mentions that she was pregnant, and that she would be killing the baby too if she committed suicide. Nor does he seem panicked that she would kill the baby. Why didn't he help her if things were so serious? Maybe because he's lying.

[quote] You all are repeating each other with stating Harry's issues.

Oh, really, r36? You're just now noticing that the armchair experts of DL have posted the same "info" about Harry's LDs, his early childhood anger problems, his "dull normal" IQ and attendant issues, his emotional "dysregulation," Diana's and William's struggles to manage him, blah, blah, blah, about 700 or 800 times now? And oddly enough, their posts are never accompanied by a link to any supporting info?

Sure, he's got problems, but certifiable, clinically diagnosable problems? Maybe it's just a more run-of-the-mill thing wherein he experienced this huge trauma as a kid and then was taught to be stoic and never talk about it. And now that he's finally realized he really should deal with it, it's exploding out all over the place at an inappropriate age and in inappropriately public settings.

I mean, really, haven't you ever known a fucked-up person in your own life who drove everyone crazy going on and on about how his family ruined his life 30 or 40 years ago, to the point that everyone wants to scream "get over it!" Harry just, unfortunately, has an exceptionally large and public platform for airing his grievances.

I’m in the UK. If my partner told me they were suicidal, my first instinct would be to phone my/their GP for advice. Despite the horror stories about the NHS, I have always had a GP appointment within 24 hours if I could not wait, and usually on the same day.

If I thought the wait was too long, or if I needed help at the weekend, I would phone the NHS 24 helpline, who can give advice over the phone, send an ambulance, or direct you to an out-of-hours Gerneral Practitioner clinic for a consultation.

If I didn’t want to do that, I would encourage my partner to phone the Samaritans or any other number of charitable or government-funded mental helplines, all of which are freely accessible.

If that didn’t help, or I was in urgent need, I could get into the car with my partner, drive them to the nearest hospital Accident and Emergency department and request that they get assessed.

If none of this worked, and I felt the situation is critical, I could phone the police for help, and tell them that my partner was threatening suicide, which may prompt the police to order a psych evaluation, and possibly have a suicidal person committed to hospital under the Mental Health Act.

If I was a wealthy Prince of the United Kingdom, I could also avail myself of the services of the whole of Harley Street and an extensive private health system.

Prince Harry ignored all of these options, and instead took his poor, suicidal bride to a film premiere. And now he is blaming granny and daddy for failing her.

I’m loathe to post a tumblr comment, but this was too good to pass up:

Harry: “Meghan was suicidal the night of the Royal Albert Hall event, when she was pregnant.” (Date: Jan. 16, 2019) Meghan mouthpiece and make-up guy Daniel Martin on Instagram: “Thank you for being the consummate hostess this WEEKEND [in London].” (Date: Jan. 20, 2019) She had overseas friends stay with her while suicidal? Daniel’s post makes it sound like it was a jovial few days together. He’s the guy who cries on TV about her and has known her longer than Harry.

R51. Great post. It's what anyone would have done. Except Dimwit and wife.

R52. Great investigative reporting. I guess she wasn't all that suicidal. Instead, lying again.

R40 The baby shower was in February. The Morocco tour was Oscar weekend.

I wonder how much Harry was paid to merch the latest West Coast psychobabble technique?

They are generating horror, not sympathy and not rage against the BRF who look increasingly like their victims.

Each story he tells includes more personal detail, and it becomes each time more like emotional pornography. And because of that, each escalation is less persuasive than the last one.

He is deranged and unreachable. The BRF have to accept this.

You can't sustain a life like this. I doubt anything but a repetition of his mother's fate, in different form, somewhere down the road. And he's set up his family as the perp.

It's Harry who's the likely suicide or OD at some point, not Meghan. She's a survivor. He's the doomed half.

I wonder what Netflix and P&G are thinking about their partnership after seeing the public reaction to this?

He needs to come out a bi.

“I think that is very important that you make your own decision about what you are. Therefore you’re responsible for your actions, so you don’t blame other people” - Prince William.

One brother has the right idea.

Tungsten.

Tongue-stan

R56 - Good on you, William.

Jesus, these two morons have no idea how good they keep making William, the Queen, and Kate look.

Anyone want to place a bet on the likelihood of Harry and Meghan unveiling their own statue of Diana in the Montecito town square on July 1?

It will be their own version of Michelangelo's Pieta, with Ste. Meghan comforting a dying Diana.

R60, only if Amazon pays for the statue, and Oprah pays them a generous monthly allowance to allow them the time to work their way through the traumatic buried memories such an event is bound to resurrect.

R60 - They would have to get permission from the town, and I very much doubt that would be forthcoming.

You know, Diana, as Harry is doing now, sought solutions from trendy psychobabble and cultivated psychics, astrologers, and went in for "cleansing" techniques like colonic irrigation . . . nothing helped. She remained hopelessly driven by her personality disorder, narcissism, and paranoia.

Per Charles' finanacial records the Narkles spent generously on such, including numerology, R63. Should have kept that and the Sunshine Sucks cash for the mortgage.

Lady C gets into the Bashir entrapment and Diana's paranoia.

[quote] She had overseas friends stay with her while suicidal?

Friends are here from America--and I'm going to show them London!

And then I'm going to kill myself!

Oprah and Gayle King and Markle are the Bashir of our day. It does not seem like this will end well for Harry. He seems increasingly unstable and is making very damaging statements that may well come back to haunt him.

Prince Harry’s proclamations on mental health only expose his hypocrisy

Just call him Dotty Harry.

Clearly not content with his first strike two months ago — he and saucer-eyed, self-pitying wife Meghan whining to Oprah in a prime-time special — Harry is back again to blame his father, brother, and grandmother, the newly widowed Queen, for all that ails him, this 36-year-old globally famous multimillionaire.

It’s Harry’s complaint, and we’re never going to hear the end of it.

In his new Apple TV+ special “The Me You Can’t See” — really, Harry, haven’t we seen it all? — the beleaguered prince sits opposite his new BFF Oprah, lecturing us on mental health.

That image at R68 says it all. What a DOPE. And I have known people who have benefited from EMDR IRL, this is about Hazbean, not treatment modalities. Hint to Haz, if you are getting worse, don't dig in deeper.

^"In with the good air, OUT with the BAD!! BAD!!"

Anyone remember Dr. Melfi's realization on the Sopranos that therapy doesn't work for sociopaths? They love it, get off on it, thrive on talking about themselves and their problems and blaming others...

Harry, Gaga, Glenn Close, and Oprah... this documentary is a testament to sociopathy masked as "mental health acceptance".

There is an American expression, "No one likes a whiner." I've found it to be true. Harry and his enablers have embarked on an attempt to make a tv show into a bunch of celebrities "confessing" how they were mistreated in various ways in their pasts, and sobbing about it, on camera. It might have entertainment value, BRIEFLY, but these people are all setting themselves up for the scorn of their intended audience (people who are not famous, not rich, and who have jobs and obligations that these "celebrities" have no part of). It will fizzle. Harry and Sparkle will have to turn to some other grift for their money.

Glad someone else sees it too, R71.

The Ginger Whinger never met a whine he didn’t like, R72.

Good Lord!

Close to the bottom when you film your therapy session for cash from a tv show

Doesn't like to be told no - triggers rage

Suicide is a serious issue and I know DLers have discussed their own struggles on various threads in the past. I'm not a therapist, but my understanding of people who are successful at suicide is that for the majority, it's not something they often express openly. They may leave clues or suffer from extreme depression, but the act often catches family by surprise, not knowing that they were in such a state. Those who threaten suicide often and openly or as a manipulative tool are less perhaps less apt do actually follow through . I think I read this somewhere. Bathtub of salt though.

R72, well, in a way it's good when people talk about trauma. It's not good to repress your feelings. If you talk about your trauma, then people who experienced a similar trauma will feel less alone. And if that person who is talking about their past trauma is doing OK now, then others with a similar trauma will be hopeful that they can heal, too. I can see this program fitting into the curriculum of a high school health class.

But...something feels off here. It's almost like. Has there ever been so much promo effort for a self-help PSA? In this case, it feels like the program isn't the end result (as it should be), but rather a means to some other end. Oprah wants to to KNOW that she runs with royalty. It wasn't enough for us to know that she was a self made millionaire, richest woman in the country at one point, and one of the most famous. That just wasn't enough. She's hanging off every word of a privileged, self-important person who hasn't had to make his own way in life, as if he's sharing some profound secret. I'd rather listen to someone who started with nothing and built themselves up. That used to be Oprah. But not anymore.

Despite his public trashing of his family, there may be some regret over uprooting his life and cutting off family ties. But instead of reaching out to make amends, Harry is doubling down effectively daring his family to cut him off privately and publicly. So far the family has not stooped to playing this baiting game by taking away titles or public defensive or corrective response. This in turn angers Harry and Meghan even more, so they up the ante by throwing out anything and everything in hopes that these things will stick. Except by doing this, they look more unhinged, whiny, petty, and hypocritical. Their stans now have to do some nimble mental gymnastics to be able to defend them.

BRF should just continue to hold steady and not engage with a couple that’s increasingly seen as loose cannons full of petty rage. The Firm will certainly not take away any titles now, because should anything bad happen to the couple, you know the blame will be unfairly shifted onto the family. That is how Harry and Meghan have reframed their story now. They are brave victims who escaped from evil family who made Harry work and burn out, refused Harry’s wife any help and unwilling to own up to being uncaring to a couple in crisis.

The comments at R77 about Harry seeking out "malign influences" as a teen are interesting. Often seems to track with things like LD and feeling like things do not come as easily to you from what I have seen IRL. They had to fear someone like Markle & backers coming along for much of his life, esp with his recklessness.

[quote] (Date: Jan. 16, 2019) Meghan mouthpiece and make-up guy Daniel Martin on Instagram: “Thank you for being the consummate hostess this WEEKEND [in London].” (Date: Jan. 20, 2019) She had overseas friends stay with her while suicidal? Daniel’s post makes it sound like it was a jovial few days together. He’s the guy who cries on TV about her and has known her longer than Harry.

This was the infamous IG "avocado toast post" that Daniel Martin posted from Kensington Palace, which was definitely approve and looked very much curated by Meghan. With so many haters, they really need to keep their facts in check because as much as they love their receipts, they leave receipts all over the place for people to easily fact check them.

R72: talking about trauma is what psychotherapy is all about, it's a personal thing, sharable maybe with family, in some circumstances. Talking about it, and weeping (let's not forget) on camera for television, is just a form of entertainment. BAD entertainment. It denigrates the purpose of the treatment to entertainment, for nothing more than money and publicity. It's invalid. And *EXTREMELY* trashy.

^Oops. Reply above was for No. R79, not 72.

Andrew Lawrence's Faux Harry comments.

The You We Don't Want to See!

Can you imagine what a joyless household it must be in Montecito. If I were Harry and Meghan, I would be living moderately under the radar, taking private jets to party with celebs, hit the beach, ride horses, play polo, work on my blog, crafting, and love of wine (Meghan). I cannot imagine Meghan being any fun at all to be around.

Give me a wife like Paris Hilton any day where I know we will be going to foam parties in Ibiza, smoking premium weed, and just having fun together. Harry is missing out.

R86 - you're missing an important point - that Jokey Blokey Harry was just an illusion. It was PR from the Palace to keep us from seeing the real Idiot Prince behind the public facade.

He was appalling but I think we are multi faceted. I think he did have some of Diana's fun, cheeky spirit. No doubt he was troubled, but when you live in your problems, it is crazy making. That goes from the top to Diana all the way down.

As I am getting older, the one thing that I know to be important is having a handful or even 1 or 2 really good, old friends who will love you warts and all, people that will always make you laugh, and you can let it all hang out. Even if your family sucks, having a few best friends makes the difference. I hope Harry reconnects with them. Harry is not in a good environment for being in such a vulnerable place. History might repeat itself, but it has nothing to do with Meghan. Harry is mimicking Diana's last year.

Remember, his most loyal mate, the one who always took all responsibility, Guy Pelley, said, "we've lost him now." Haz has treated old friends poorly or cut them off at MeGain's behest. Her control and alienation tactics would raise huge red flags were the genders reversed.

R89 I've seen this exact thing play out in my own family. A mentally unstable man marries a narcissistic woman who adds fuel to the fire of his victim complex, and within a few years he cuts off lifelong friends and family. This is my brother's story. He left a lucrative job in a family business and is estranged from his elderly parents who failed to meet his endless demands to make up for how they "deprived" him as a child. Spoiler: He was never deprived. The only difference is Harry is playing out this farce very publicly, certain the public will side with him. It's sad to see him miscalculate on such a grand scale and ruin his life, but it's also entertaining. There's a poetic justice to it.

I think there was a story back in 2020 that Guy Pelley and his wife visited the Harkles in California.

Anyone remember this?

Wow, looking at the photo at r77 and comparing his nose now, he must have done prodigious amounts of coke- the lower bridge of his nose is collapsing and giving him a ski slope nose.

[quote] He needs to come out a bi.

R55 - perhaps that's the problem. He craves BBC.

He called me his "little Paki friend" the first time I went to see the princess at KP. That rather set the tone. I took it from there.

"Really, he’s been through it. Consider this: “Every time I put a suit and tie on,” Harry tells us, “I was in a fight-or-flight mode.”

That Maureen Callahan is a killer!

He’s a One Note Harry Ass.

[quote]He craves BBC.

Babygirl, we all do.

I have always thought he was bipolar, R92, esp with all the coke and booze.

It is sad, R90, but often these people are sitting ducks for the manipulative.

I genuinely believe Harry thought that the public was going to rise up and demand that he and Meghan be installed in a rival court in the US or a Commonwealth country.

The delusions and grandiosity are ruining his life.

I remember that too, R91, but have also read that they are estranged? I thought the visit was at Tyler Perry's house.

The Maul says the Queen is upset and hurt by the things Harry has said. If it's true, he's an ass.

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What a fool Harry is to believe that Meghan loves him.

No one else is buying it, R103. Some very ugly stories that have always been around about Haz hinted at here. As always, grain of salt. I doubt his FAMILY is the only thing she has secretly recorded. And the incredibly damaging statements he has made about himself recently, in public, are going to finish him off at a time of her choosing.

Oh dear, if true, looks like Tyler Perry won't be having them back any time soon.

R105 - I always wondered how she treated the staff at the Clooney place.

Somebody on part 2 mentioned Chrissy Teigen. She and Markle are two of a kind and not in a good way.

They were both suitcase girls on Deal or No Deal, R107. Not sure if overlapping time frames. Superglueing eyes closed does seem like something Tiegen might also do.

r105 that tweet says she uses a surrogate.

One theory floating around is that Fayed could be a financial backer with an axe to grind. They are not paying multimillion pound PR bills on their own. That might be behind the akward and odd shoehorning in of Harry's recent "POC" statement. Doubt it is just one figure, maybe more will become clear in time. Were psych meds mentioned at all in the Apple piece? If not, that may be a signal of another wealthy and powerful potential backer.

r108 An horrendous thing to do.She must be permanently overflowing with spite.

Scientology comes to mind, R110.

[quote] One theory floating around is that Fayed could be a financial backer with an axe to grind. They are not paying multimillion pound PR bills on their own.

Even if this is pure fantasy fiction, I absolutely love this theory on so many levels. Could you imagine Fayed hiring Meghan to even take it a step further. That's a nice twist, R110 I need thought of,

Harry thinks we have neither memories nor Google. I remember this piece when it came out, thinking it was nice they had one another for support. Now it is all down to St. Megs? Please.

The boyfriend who came forward from when Markle was 13 - they met at Agape cult summer camp. Doria and Oprah have longstanding ties.

Agape

What Orca has to say about the founder of Agape

Agape is one of those manifesting "churches" - does it all make more sense now?

Maybe the beaific crossed hands poses the Narkles have been striking have to do with Agape? They and Oprah seem to view themselves as some kind of New Age "healers" with their pronouncements, pontificating and "example."

What is the end goal? Clearly a quick shakedown has not happened.

Notice Meghan has not been front and centre during the recent outbursts. Setting up the divorce proceedings nicely - "he has anger issues and was abusive so now I need sole custody and LOTS of $$$ in compensation for my years of hardship, sob sob".

It reminds me of Mike Tyson and Robin Givens. They had a TV interview, where they sat side by side on a couch, while Givens said that Tyson was prone to anger outbursts which scared her. (Tyson just sat there, listening with a blank face.)

I'm not even sure which claim is more ridiculous: that the thought of hurting Harry was the only thing that stopped Meghan from killing herself, and not...the child inside her that she "dearly wanted".

Or that Archie's first word was grandma. And because of the picture of Di on the wall and not the living grandmother that's been spending time with him. Like...fuck you, Doria

I thought that Archie’s first words were “waffle iron”. Or “crocodile”.

They really can’t get their stories straight. He’s too fucking stupid and she’s a fucking narc who thinks that nobody will notice the torrent of lies.

My forecast - next up, l’il Archie’s first words will be “nearly step-grandpa Dodi”.

What I find most interesting about that BG blind is that it confirms that the person who beat up hookers was Harry. Lots and lots of people thought it was Hunter Biden.

I am not sure that Markle is setting Harry up as such......although I am certain she will capitalise on his drug & anger issues when the time comes. No, I think what she’s up to much simpler.

All of his woe is me stories have the exact same ending, don’t they. Everything was absolutely awful....and then Meghan rescued me.

This is all about her. She is using him to portray herself as the living saint who rescued her prince. Her entire narrative is like some shitty Hallmark movie set in the fictional sovereign state of Smirnova. A sassy, independent American career girl JUST HAPPENS to fall in love with an unhappy, unfulfilled prince and with her love and committment shows him how happy a REAL life can be, away from his cold relatives. Blah blah.

“Here I am, just a girl, standing in front of a prince, asking him to love her”.

That is the level of her “intellect”. She is a pathetic, toxic bitch who uses everyone to try and glorify herself, including her husband and kids. Cunt.

I know...oh, dear, it’s commitment

I genuinely hope when/if she dumps him, that his family just lets him fall on his face

It's been known that Harry is into really aggressive, violent sex, so I knew that was who the BG was. Was Hunter Biden in the military. Anyhow, it was Harry. Meghan was probably a tiger in the sack until they said "I do". She might not enjoy that rubber fist the way she pretended to in order to woo Harry. Who knows what sordid details and claims of abuse she will bring to divorce.

Harry, I wish you a lot of luck. You are going to need it.

Markle was not the original one who suggested or got Harry in touch with therapy. In 2016/2017, Harry, Kate and William headed a national UK mental health campaign called "Heads Together." That is when he started talking about repressing the sadness he felt about his mother's death, and that's when he started address this topic and talking about it. Markle wasn't even on the scene for that UK campaign.

Every time Harry opens his mouth, he exposes another lie that he or his wife have told.

Harry talks about he and Markle trying for four years to make life within the royal family and the associated duties work. But yet, they only married May 2018. By the fall of 2019, they were in Canada making plans to leave the family--and in Jan 2020, they made their announcement. That means they were only official working royal members together for a year-and-a-half. And for six months of those 18 months, she was on maternity leave. Where does he get four years? It's a lie.

And at the beginning, all dear Meghan wanted to know about Harry since she knew absolutely nothing about anyone in the royal family (even though she knew Princess Eugenie before Harry) was: "Is he nice?"

And Markle was going to 'hit the ground running.'

She just didn't tell anyone except Harry that the direction she would be running is Montecito.

Shitty dad Charles, didn't give him regular beatings or leave him hungry, poor deprived child.

Whenever I struggle to pay the power bill and am faced with a whole week of rice with fish fingers to eat because I'm broke, I shall thank my lucky stars I'm not poor Prince Harry, suffering in his 11 million pound mansion.

Harry will die in an accident.

His widow will have her dreams of world domination disturbed by cancer.

Charles will be dead by age 82.

Camilla, largely forgotten, will sail into her 90s with a host of illnesses she somehow survives.

William and Kate will last a very, very long time.

I know there are some posters moaning about others trying to find a 'reason'(LD, dull Normal, anger issues) to try to figure out why Harry is doing what he is doing.

Perhaps its just that we are hoping there is some tangible reason for the evil heartlessness he has & continues to display.

Its like the guy digging through the pile of horseshit saying there must be a pony.

I personally hope & pray that he is not at his core this truly vile & evil subhuman he is displaying.

His choice of sociopathic wife suggests he is, R136. Pray for those kids instead.

I do wonder why the oddly specific advice not to leave her alone with children or animals was offered?

This video actually made me a little sad....

Some people are like that, R136. They lack empathy and do not value other humans or human relationships. It is clear that makes them dangerous and destructive in human society.

She lies, he lies, they lie. That is all.

That all sounds accurate r135.

[quote] Wasnt he reported to have a crush on Kates sister Pippa Middleton at one point?

This was the basis of Pippa’s character on the sitcom “The Windsor’s”.

They keep trying to rebrand past "work" the comments are funny. Why don't they create something new? We all KNOW the reality show is coming, it too will crash and burn. It is getting gross to watch.

R135 Sounds eerily close to the mark. I can’t imagine that it will be three decades before William and Kate become King and Queen. I foresee a quick turnaround after the Queen passes, reminiscent of the short reign of Edward VII. Markle’s eventual fate sounds very much like the Duchess of Windsor’s may have played out, although she will have children to shield her from predatory lawyers.

Harry could ask the Queen to put ALL his titles in abeyance, that is ALL of them, agreeing not to use them forever or until some future date. That would include "Prince" used by him or his first wife. Perhaps stepping back fully from the BRF could relieve some of his genuine mental anguish.

Triggeted by horse hooves and a suit and tie. Good ones Haz

Who DOESN'T put their game face on when getting dressed for work? What's sad about Harry is how he views normal adult anxieties and responsibilities as traumatic experiences. Emotionally, he's about 16 years old.

12, R147

Boom!!!!!! It has just been agreed by cyber experts that the trolling of Meghan and Harry isn't organic. Buckle up trolls. Dlisted, Datalounge, Lipstick Alley and 43 suspicious twitter accounts 17 in blackface are all now being scoured over. Why. This week the threats to life to Meghan were over a certain percentage per tweet and comment. Big tech and cyber crews now involved. Surviving angel you have been added to the list. So was this thread. Whoever is paying for the trolling is now being investigated.

Sure, Jan

bringing over from elsewhere

"Research dorias church and their theory of New Thought and you will get an idea of what is being done to harry. Total cult practices.. founded by a mesmerist. Explains her weird ass look in to my eyes, look deep into my eyes thing she always does with harry. Not that I care about that ungrateful wanker."

I heard somewhere that Harry is getting therapy through a "church" - Agape and Scientology seem the most likely.

He'll be hobnobbing with the Kardashians before long.

Harry really has turned into his Spitting Image puppet and we all know whose hand is up his ass.

I have a quick question” WHAT do they WANT??!! And why is Harry calling their actions “tactics”? Tactics for what goal? Bottom line: Do they have an End Game?

Does one think "being triggered by horses" is a low key dig at Camilla?

Also, where is all this info that Harry and Meghan are being counseled by either Agape or Scientology coming from? I haven't seen anything related to this other than repeated on here. Also, where are go getting that Meghan told Harry to stop taking meds? Proof needed, which does not include youtube videos.

Did Oprah and Harry seriously think there wouldn't be any screen caps or gifs his impromptu therapy session that make him look like a buffoon?

A BLM activist just got shot in the head. Female. Black. She was targeted by some of the same trolls who target Meghan online allegedly. It's incitement. It's just got someone shot. It's just got deadly serious. All the sites listed are now being scoured for information. Go check it out. She is in the front pages of the daily heil.

I doubt Oprah cares how Harry is made to look, as long as she gets PR and cash, she's good.

R156, Oprah and Doria have been involved with Agape for many years. Meghan attended as a child and also attended the Agape summer camp.

Oprah also has some ties to Scientology and it was noted that there was a Scieno commercial run during the interview in March. There have also been overtures to Marke from Scientology. Harry made comments that were anti medical treatment for mental health in a Zoom call, so there was curiosity about where that was coming from, it is a Scieno position.

Harry speaks out of every side of his mouth.

I'm beginning to agree that if Meghan wanted a payout to go away before the wedding, the BRF should have paid it. Even if it was an eight-figure sum, they should have paid it.

Seems like a good deal at this point, R162.

I'm kind of glad that the world is finally seeing the real Harry. That's the only good thing to come out of this dreadful situation.

[quote] Does one think "being triggered by horses" is a low key dig at Camilla?

No, just at Sarah Jessica Parker.

Harry hated "Sex and the City 2," just like the rest of us.

Link R158?

Guess attending the Olympics was a great burden too.

No one around him is acting like this behavior (in public!) is anything unusual.

Shocking that women were not vying to become his wife, except for grifter MeGain.

Harry is so full of shit. If he wanted privacy, the BRF would have let him gracefully retire as a working Royal. He was offered that out before he got married. He could have gone to South Africa to hug lions or whatever and never had to put on a suit again. He's the one who chose the life he's currently living.

One of the recurrent themes I've seen from his stans is that William was 'protected' while Harry was hung out to dry. It's clearer and clearer that the BRF did everything but shrinkwrap Harry to keep him from destroying himself. A lot of his resentment now seems to stem from the fact that he is no longer being protected even though he's the one who ran away from his protected life and has repeatedly bitten the sheltering hands he grew up with. It's pathetic.

Don't encourage, just block, R166.

Meghan who put "caucasian" on her cv is now trying to hitch her wagon to BLM for attention?

R166, the connections and links only exist in R158's histrionic imagination. Punch and delete.

R156, must be remote reference to Roy Rogers.

The Apple show has FOUR more episodes to come.

When did Harry start to openly use the word "tactics" re: his family?

That Haz, such a FEMINIST! So respectful of women!

Meghan is actually smart to get chummy with Oprah. Oprah will likely be the godmother to Meghan’s daughter. Don’t forget, Oprah has no children and will be more than happy to hitch herself onto the Sussexes, sort of a rich aunt/ grandmother figure who leaves $$$$ upon her death. It’s gross as hell but this is looking to be the case.

Borrowing, could not say it better

"Not a fan of hers obviously but there's a difference between working a job that everyone knows is make-believe and living a life that's at odds with who you are. She was cast as a supporting player for life and she craved stardom and celebrity. I have no problem with her or Harry leaving but how they did it and what they are doing now is deeply offensive. They're capitalizing on their titles, engaging in Royal cosplay by visiting cemeteries and soup kitchens and kicking the shit out of Harry's relatives. They're lying about why they left and what happened to them during that short period of being a working Royal couple. .They've stoked a publicity machine that has completely obliterated the chance for honest journalism about them. If Harry knew he wanted to leave the Royal life in his 20s, why the wedding and why become working Royals? These are legitimate questions but no one is asking them. They appear to have shucked off the Obamas' emphasis on social justice in favor of Oprah's model of being lay therapists who can set people free by airing their traumas and psychological history. I think both stances are fake for them, but the second is more attractive because it allows them to talk about themselves endlessly and they're not around poor people."

What does Harry want?

Personality, according to most experts, is set remarkably early in our lives, some claiming by as young as three years old, but almost everyone in the field agrees by at least primary school. It isn't that nothing can be changed or ameliorated or shifted, but that certain basic characteristics are present much earlier than modern humanity, especially in the First World, are comfortable accepting.

Harry was exhibiting characterological problems as a young child. These traits have caused him any amount of frustration and prompted him to externalise all blame for the frustrations and setbacks that those traits have caused. Now nearing forty years old, the outlines of the angry, aggressive child may be seen in the angry, aggressive man striking out at the easiest targets he can find.

As for Meghan: there is a video of her at a children's birthday party, she might be six or seven years old. The little girl whose birthday it is, is wearing a gilded dimestore tiara. In the video, Meghan snatches the little crown off the birthday girl's head and places it on her own. I think the video has already been posted on DL.

And that little vignette is a snapshot of the spiteful, jealous, ruthless woman in whom all Harry's rage, staggering lack of self-awareness, and envy of a far more successful older brother, found a perfect complement.

Post of the thread, R177. I know kids with LD and self regulation challenges IRL and their parents worry tremendously, but they have EMPATHY which the Narkles attempt to mimic (see Harry's claims re: his Nepal trip) but do not seem to possess (see behavior toward Prince Philip and his widow - elder abuse!)

From Harry Markle

Btw anyone think Harry will not sue the BBC and live off that settlement for life?

Wonder about the license and ethics of the person treating him on camera - can he give informed consent if self admittedly "mentally ill" at present?

Megs is going to have to go through Gayle for Oprah's money.

There's speculation that Orca is Potatohead Archie's godmother.

I didn't realize it was an actual session a therapist there guiding him through the exercise. Since I can't bear to listen to any of their yammering and didn't watch, I thought he offered to show Oprah as an example of what happens in a session.

So cringey. He wants privacy but films a session?

Harry's tone-deafness and lack of awareness not only of himself but of a landscape he was born into, is quite interesting.

He was forced to go to Nepal? What does he think working royals are paid for out of public monies? Does he think William and Kate viewed a week in Pakistan smiling for the cameras in a high-risk security area as a vacation? For most of his years as a senior working royal, his aged granddad did more engagements than Harry did. Princess Anne has been doing more engagements than all of them for half a century.

He just doesn't realise how he sounds. What did he think the Sovereign Grant was going to pay him for? Patronage, going where the government sends you to help with what the government believes are aligned with the country's best interests, as the rather delicate royal visit to Pakistan was. It had been 11 years since a royal visit to Pakistan and the last one had ended on a tetchy note; Kate and William were sent in to open a new chapter between Britain and Pakistan via the royal family. William and Kate did their job there that week superbly, their hosts were happy, the Foreign Office was happy . . . and it was during that week that Meghan and Harry dropped their "No one asks if I'm O.K." documentary in Botswana.

No one asked Kate if she were all right changing clothes three times a day and always making sure the soles of her shoes didn't face outward and doing the Women and Children and Schools and Hospital gigs whilst William did the business gigs . . .

Somehow, Kate and William seem fine. Princess Anne seems find. Sophie Wessex seems fine . . .

They all know that this is their job and they are bloody well compensated for it.

And yet - Harry is complaining about a senior working royal being "sent" somewhere. Harry, dear, everyone in that game is "sent" somewhere. No one undertakes a royal tour except with the Foreign Office's approval and often at its insistence.

It's bad enough that his wife ignored all the signpots in Roya Land. It's mental that the man to the manor born is pretending not to have seen them.

But, but, but, he's "seen the business model!" R183.

Harry wants more than anyone else for doing NOTHING and no criticism will be tolerated. The palace PR job done on him was herculian.

^^*signposts in royal land

Borrowing

"The Nepal comment has got lost in the shitstorm that was the whinefest, but it was actually a disgrace.

He went there to honour the Gurkhas, the army regiment who served alongside him in Afghanistan. So much for being 'passionate' about military causes. He also, as you say, visited schools and other places devastated by the recent earthquake. But all that was a hardship for him? Imagine hearing that the person you'd spent ages preparing to meet felt that having to be shown around your destroyed school or village was nothing but a pain in the arse for him?

Appalling really, but of a piece with his comments about having to 'grit his teeth' after being chauffeur driven to make small talk with common folk maybe once a week. How can anyone take this spoilt brat seriously as any kind of 'humanitarian'?"

He shared this astonishing sentiment with Dax Sheppard. I cannot put a better point on it than this

"It's hard to keep up with all this ramblings, but didn't he say something about how he envied the 'ordinary' people he met during his travels because even if they were poor they were 'free'? How Marie Antoinettish is that?"

Nothing more true than this. Chrissy could take notes.

"Nutmeg is the Queen of Mean Girls."

[quote] done on him was herculian

Oh dear.

Herculean, mwah, R189!

Nutmeg = Halfafrican

R190 is a disgrace to DL and should self-destruct.

Halfrican**

This is pretty much truth and also really gross. He and his brother had an agreement NOT to discuss their mother publically unless the other was present. Like anything else having to do with character, ethics or family, Haz blew right past that.

"I think Harry is just trying to cash in on his mother. Specifically, his mother in the days after her death, when the British public seemed to go bonkers and compelled the BRF to reverse course. He is using her. He's not out here talking about real shit. He's out here trying to make a buck."

This

From The Daily Beast

"The parallel with Harry is uncanny.

Harry no doubt believed every bit as much as Diana did that he was totally in control of the situation when he sat down to tell Oprah his story. He was co-producer for the show for goodness sake! But Oprah is making a product, just as Martin Bashir was all those years ago, and Harry is the raw material, just as Diana was all those years ago.

One wonders whether Archie might conclude his father was exploited by Apple in the same way his grandmother was exploited by the BBC, if he sits down to watch Oprah’s cozy chats with him 25 years hence."

She's not going anywhere too soon.

This is who he is, better to know.

r186 His complaint about his royal work like his complaints about most things reveal somebody who never counts his blessings and is a spoilt brat.

Normal emotions, normal ups and downs , normal situations ,normal stresses strains and practical restrictions in your working routine are seen as an affront by him.Basically LIFE itself particularly obligations rather than being able to do whatever you want without restrictions are being made out by him to be traumatic , dramatic , a moral wrong against him. He is making a pathology out of normality and having to do anything ever if you dont want to do it.Like by its nature that isnt life for everybody.

Essentially he is the most immature teenager imaginable in a mans body..

It's crazy that he can't read the room - nobody likes a whingeing millionaire, especially during current times. Surely someone has advised them of this.

R146 Just one question . How does one play Polo if horse hooves are triggering ?

Marry me, R201! I hadn’t even considered that.

And I’m a snarky queen.

[Quote]Just one question . How does one play Polo if horse hooves are triggering ?

"How can you not understand me and deny MY reality?! I said horses hooves on the paved mall, you hectoring family plant, not horses in stables or playing fields."

"Sir, you seemed to have attended many Trouping the Colour ceremonies and others like the Queen's birthdays and Jubilees where hundreds of horses' hooves were ringing the Mall and could be heard all the way up to the balcony."

"What?! Are you denying me MY TRUTH & EXPERIENCE, you FUCKING COMMONER! Have YOU ever been up on that balcony to know MY TRAUMA? You don't deserve to be a journalist protected by that BONKERS First Amendment I don't understand."

"No, sir. I've never been up on your vaunted balcony, but I do understand the laws of Physics. Did they not teach a Physics for Dummies course at Sandhurst?"

Harry's the dumbest UK import/product the U.S. has known in quite some time since that Jordan/Katie Price thing. At least one of the Beckhams had talent, if not brains, and a kinda shrewd wife.

[quote] Marry me, [R201]! I hadn’t even considered that.

God knows why not, since r201 is about the hundredth poster to bring it up.

Link please, R294, to the 99 other posts that brought this up. I must have missed them.

Correction to the snit above, I meant R294, not R294.

Standing by, cleverdick!

R201 R203. Great!. Yes, the horses when playing polo. The horse on the mall at Trooping of Colour.

What about the horses at Ascot each summer? Not so much the horses on the race track, but the horses carrying the royal family and guests in the clippity-cloppity horse-drawn carriages as they all approach the Ascot stadium.

^^Trooping the Colour

Still waiting, R204.

Therapy for H, watch Muffin on a loop while being beaten with a riding crop.

[quote]Just one question . How does one play Polo if horse hooves are triggering ?

The same way a line-memorising actress deals with learning a new national anthem - give an interview.

[quote] Correction to the snit above, I meant [R294], not [R294].

LOL. You're a real genius, r206.

Well Harry, just wait until you’re forced to attend events because you need the money and baby needs a new pair of shoes.

Where do I sign up to be abused by be forced to put on a suit and tie, and travel places?

Forgive me if I am remembering this incorrectly, but didn't Harry have to get really dressed up for all those engagement photos, and then the wedding? Was that triggering to marry his "forever bride"?

What about the horse drawn carriage he and the first wife rode in, with the hooves clomping on the pavement? All of that was triggering as well?

Excellent questions, R215.

The petition asking Harry to request that the Queen put ALL his titles in abeyance has almost 20k signatures. Anyone can sign, from any country. This would include his ducal and "Prince" titles so they would become Mr. & Mrs. Wales, or Mr. & Mrs. Mountbatten-Windsor. Hopefully this might reduce some of the mental stress on the unravelling Haz.

Oh dear!

Oprah has never even gone to therapy as a PATIENT, she only plays one on tv. Haz is clearly not well, why is there NO accountability for what is branded as "mental health" by Orca or Haz when speaking to minors?

Here, R203. Perhaps Harry needs to eat more potahtoes.

“Potatoes contain the second highest levels of choline, next to protein-rich foods, like meat and soya.

It's vital to consume enough choline as it's essential for a healthy brain, nerves, and muscles. And subtle differences in our genes may mean some of us are naturally more deficient in making choline.

A jacket potato contains around 10 percent of a person's daily choline requirements. Choline is particularly important in pregnancy, as the growing baby is making lots of new cells and organs.”

It is extremely irresponsible to claim that a suicidal person with a specific plan was saved by "cuddles" with no reference to treatment or a safety plan for future pregnancies. It is extremely irresponsible to repeatedly claim that serious mental problems were solved by a geographic move and isolation.

Of course, WE know she was likely NEVER suicidal and WE seem that their claims of wanting "privacy" are belied by a move to LA and staged merch walks with a toddler, but for a vulnerable person, these are DANGEROUS and potentially life threatening messages.

Why isn't a suicide hotline flashed up or going to an ER if in danger? Are they promoting a Scientology or Agape position?

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Harry's weight seems to vary quite a bit. He had a bit of a gut in the March interview but looked much thinner at VaxLive. When did he say his drug use stopped again?

Harry does appear to be exploited, yet, in clips from the Apple show he often seemed to be supressing a duper's delight smirk, R221. Even when discussing serious topics like suicide or his mother's death. His affect and words are not in synch. I agree with her, R221, but, thus far, it does not seem to be working out as they and Sunshine Sucks had hoped. Suport for the monarchy in the UK seems to have been strengthened.

Harry claims to have been happy in the Army, yet he also claims this is when his mental health was poor and his alcohol and drug abuse were greatest (not sure any of that has changed tbh.) Nothing he says makes much sense and he often contradicts himself. I can only surmise from Sunshine Sucks using this tactic for other clients, including on this board, that the contradictions are supposed to drive attention and focus on people who are intrinscally not that interesting.

He's like a cult member now. Entirely changed, rejecting everything from before, isolated from his old life. If he wasn't so spiteful I'd feel sorry for him.

Same, R226. It does not seem likely to end well. It really is not entertaining anymore, esp with children involved.

R217 no one cares what Candace Owens has to say on any topic.

After the Oprah series, when Harry has spilled whatever bitter little beans remain to be spilled, where will the Sussexes go next? They can't keep repeating the same stories and expecting people to pay attention. They can merch the baby's birth and then I guess then it will be time for the reality series.

The worrying time is going to be when Harry realises that the people of his adopted homeland have grown bored with him (which they are bound to do). That’s when he will really start to act out. And it really won’t be pretty.

[quote] will really start to act out

Seems like he has been doing that for a while now, no?

Lilibet and Chuck screwed up by not paying Rachel her asking price before the wedding and telling her to scram.

Their only hope now is that Thommy Cruz, heir apparent to the $cieno dynasty and whose net worth far exceeds Haz's, sweeps Rach off her feet and makes her Queen of Clams. Especially enticing to her will be the fact that if anyone in that organization dare criticize her or deny her every whim, they shall simply disappear!

R231, yes he’s been playing up, but if he’s bad just now when he thinks he has gotten one over on his family, is feted by the celeb world and held up as a paragon of mental health, what will he be like when he is yesterday’s news? That’s when the trouble will really begin.

R232, I honestly doubt that the Royal Family could have paid her off. She is driven, and a narcissist, and no amount of cash would have made her return to obscurity when there was a massive wedding to enjoy (although she says that was an ordeal), the most famous granny-in-law in the world to be photographed with, and a chance to boost her fame and social status into the stratosphere.

Taking a buyout would have short circuited the victim narrative. That provided a base. Hard to price that.

Me to husband, " I can see H dying of OD or suicide"

Husband " I wish he'd fucking hurry up"

The amount of sympathy in our house.

I doubt they’ve shared everything yet. In fact, they’re likely just getting started. There’s certainly a plan of how and when to roll it all out. Books, podcasts, appearances, articles, tv, merching, sponsorships. Suicide, bullying, etc., etc. Eventually they may even go after William. Would anyone be surprised?

Sure, they can keep revealing, but each revelation will have less of an effect. All revelations are on the same theme: "We were not appreciated. We were not helped." How many times can you ring those changes and not bore your audience?

The more times they complain about lack of help, the more people will question why they didn't seek it for themselves.

Each interview makes them seem more idiotic.

R228 I LOATH Candice Owen but she ain't wrong about this.

What fucking bizarro world do these two cunts and their stans live in where everyone else is responsible for H&M's happiness? Zero accountability for themselves?

R232, perhaps they can also help her with her acting career. Irony - her children will be raised by Scieno "slaves."

More like infammy, R234.

She was rumored to have been paid off to annul an early marriage to a now lawyer, but, her price was lower in those days.

I agree that Harry thinks of Meghan as Diana reborn and will do anything to "save her." In one of the MANY other threads about this, someone wisely sad that Harry likely has a case of survivors guilt about his mother. The little boy in him never stopped believing he could have saved her, just as the little boy in William thinks his parents might still have gotten back together.

I also think Harry also has anger management issues, mental health problems, and is dumb as a post. I'm sure the family began to notice this unhealthy obsession with Meghan taking hold but probably noticed it far too late. I'm not going to say that everything that has happened is all on Meghan because I do believe many of Harry's struggles are true but that he's been manipulated into believing the blame rests solely with his family. Let's be honest, I'm sure Meghan and Oprah know that the interest is mostly about bashing the royals and not about their "charitable work." But it has already reached saturation point in the UK (except for younger people who seem to get off on this whole victim mentality stuff) and I'm sure segments of the US are bored with it too. The more the attack the stupider they are going to look.

D'ya think Harry ever looks at Meghan and thinks to himself, "Hold on....I'M the fucking royal here...she owes ME!"

R245 Nope. I think even if she leaves hims (which I'd put money on), he still won't get it.

They seem to be pitching themselves at a young USA audience. Being neither young nor American , is this working ?

R247 On Twitter, maybe? Not sure if that translates into buying product.

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How are the views for the Apple series?

R247 In the UK it appears to be working. Two new polls out show that in the UK 49% of 18-24 year olds want to hear more from H&M, while 41% of people in this age group would prefer an elected head of state compared to 31% who want to retain the monarchy. Younger people seem to be more inclined to believe H&M's narrative. Granted what one believes at that age is not what they're going to believe 10 to 20 years form now, but it's still should be a point of concern for the Royals.

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The desperation, it reeks! Oprah was just flat out using them for the show. She'll be heading for the hills now. They probably locked down all their other deals some time ago before the 'crazy' really became widely known. All that to say, their phone is no longer ringing and it must be driving them to panic.

The royals have nothing to worry about over these two ridiculous assclowns.

R253, explain to me like I am 5, how are people who admit to recent/current mental health struggles, suicidal ideation and drug and alcohol abuse purported to be "experts" on mental health and to be giving advice to ANYONE, especially teens? Orca says she never even attended therapy. How is any of this credible in the slightest?

R251 Younger people have always been the demographic least predisposed to monarchy but according to YouGov this is the first time the "elected head of state" option has been outside the margin of error. That being said the same poll shows that almost 30% of 18-24 are unsure or have no opinion which to me suggests there is more "soft" support for the monarchy in this group. The royals have had a couple years of bad publicity, Andrew, Megxit etc. Also the royals rights now are older (William and Kate are the youngest working royals) and 18 to 24s have no one to identify with. I think H&M were the substitute for this because they were seen as more "liberal" and socially aware than W&C.

Orca? Like the killer whale??

So still to come is Diana 2.0, the doc with secret recordings (how gross would you have to be to want to watch THAT?) and ??? No one is gonna want to watch some IG rehash esp with his account of being drunk and drugging while in Army and slagging off the Nepal visit.

Divorce lawyers are going to save transcripts of this intereview in case it falls in their laps.

'I saw GPs. I saw doctors. I saw therapists. I saw alternative therapists. I saw all sorts of people, but it was meeting and being with Meghan I knew that if I didn't do the therapy and fix myself that I was going to lose this woman who I could see spending the rest of my life with.

'When she said, "I think you need to see someone," it was in reaction to an argument that we had. And in that argument not knowing about it, I reverted back to 12-year-old Harry.'

THIS is what he considers FIXED? He is a laughingstock and a MESS and that is being generous.

Sarah, Durham, United Kingdom, 8 hours ago

Sometimes you have to wonder if Harry's constant anger is to himself. He knows he's lost everything over her, yet she continues to manipulate him. Perhaps he is aware of this on a subconscious level.

TruthSeeker101, london, United Kingdom, 3 hours ago

@Kathryn. You need to remove your rose tinted glasses and see it for what it really is. They are both mean people and she has the typical da rk tr I ad personality. Would you treat your grandmother this way? He had the most privileged upbringing!

R259, sounds like M wrote that line by line to ensure that everyone know how sooooo in love he is with her.

r230 I think that day will be a lot sooner than either of them anticipate.

r258 People in the circles in which they wish to become ensconced and part of will never trust them if secret recordings of the royals exist and are aired. That would slam shut and close a tremendous number of doors and opportunities for them especially in business and politics but also showbiz and media circles.

I think those doors are shut, no airing required. The news of the doc suffices, as did O1 and Dax and the extortion of his family as his grandfather lay dying. People do not have any incentive to welcome Narkle drama into their personal or business lives. They will merely attract those wishing to exploit - see Gayle, Orca and Tiegen.

This was quite some time ago, in 2020

"Meghan needs Disney more than Disney needs Meghan. She's a controversial figure.

Elton John is in LA, he was seen dining with Sharon Osborne. It is said that he and his family were not there when the Harlkes flew to his vacation home rather than go to Balmoral (although there are some rumors they were not invited to Balmoral). Bet he, like the Clooneys, will keep his bread buttered and keep his distance if there even an actual relationship rather than their usual implied one. They have been very isolated for quite a long time now.

An ambitious self promoter? Fairy tale wearing thin?

They didn't offer her more work because her Elephant voice over sucked. "Hey! It's an elephant pool party!"

Some great quotes here

But with each new muddled Sussex observation, unsubstantiated claim and disloyal act, ever more Americans will come to realise that the couple's failures rest on their own shoulders rather than on the British nation or the institution of monarchy.

Body language expert

Can someone speculate as to what the end game is for Harry and Meghan? Yes, they're attention whores, but I just can't figure out what their goal is with everything. What on earth do they actually WANT?

I honestly think they want an equal rival court or failing that to bring down the BRF. Originally he wanted a share of the Dutchy of Cornwall but that was not forthcoming. She originally wanted to be paid off to bounce before the wedding. And here we are. I think there will be a reality show w/in 2 years, followed by a very messy divorce.

River is a hoot, the point @ the coat of arms is interesting re: foreshadowing.

R270 & R271 back when they were working royals there was a clear sign they wanted to be just as (if not) more important than Will and Kate. I do believe moving to LA was always on the agenda because we know they were scoping out deals back in early 2019, and I also believe Harry was upset with having to always do what the men in grey suits told him (usually for his own good). But they originally wanted to be half-in/half-out of the royal family (something I don't think a lot of people in the US realize). Basically I think they wanted to build up a US brand using their connections to the royals. When the Queen said no, I think they have become driven by nothing more than jealousy and revenge. It's very telling that they keep going on this anti-monarchy rant and yet clinging to their titles.

It was always the plan, R273, she kept a team in LA the entire time and began secret recordings in family residences even before the wedding. She left her clothes stored in Toronto. She never intended to become a loving part of the family or to stay in her new job, she wanted to use it as a springboard.

^ a team of 4 professionals in LA

This about sums it up!

R270 According to some reports in the UK basically the couple vow not to stop until the royals issue some kind of public apology to Meghan. For what? Meghan allegedly wanting to kill herself but not doing it for Harry?! If Meghan was suicidal why didn't Harry help her why is it up to the royal family? I mean Meghan is almost 40, does she really need her granny-in-law to get her treatment. Hate to tell them but suicidal idealization does not got away because you will at away...oh but I forgot Megz is super human. Or maybe they feel the royals should apologize for their bad press, not owning their own responsibility in constantly going against PR advice nor accepting that the UK has (like the US) freedom of the press.

We are sorry you are a cunt, Meghan.

The youth demographic eventually becomes the older, more conservative one. The demographic most supportive of the monarchy were once the youth demographic of the Swingin' Sixties in Britain. And Newsweek just did a poll that found that 54% of people overall don't want to hear anymore from Meghan and Harry.

If youth demographics meant much, older Americans would be voting for the ghost of Timothy Leary today.

Just the same, I agree the monarchy needs a fresh start. And it will only get that with William and Kate. Charles needs to move aside to close this chapter.

And to keep that HRH from coming to the Sussex kids.

A suave Fuck You that will drive Meghan around the bend.

I truly hope America gets bored with them BUT we are still hearing every fart from the damn Kardashians...

r279, Thank you for giving me a giggle with the "ghost of Timothy Leary" true but bloody funny.

They want to be (and think they should be), internationally admired and respected as the Obamas are.

They fail to see how lacking they are in every way.

Or to understand how the Obamas became internationally admired and respected.

So much of her seems to be a decision about what we she wants. I wonder if she confuses the ruthlessness that drives a modestly talented actress with the achievements necessary to make her the benign international whatever she wants that she evidently seeks to be. He's just a dope caught in a grift.

Actually more than a dope, he's a total head case.

Harry thinks he can be as loved as he was when he was a royal, take on a role like his grandmother or mother. The only way he can really have the respect and aura that they have - and now William and Kate have acquired - is to be a royal, with the magical aura about you but also with the sense of duty and service.

You can see from Kate and William's Instagram just how they've really carved out an identity and strong profile for themselves and their work. Harry and Meghan could have done the same thing - but that would have been too boring because, in amongst the hip, woke causes that they can just swan in and out of a gala event for, they'd have to give comfort and pride to the elderly and make those with learning difficulties feel valued too.

Did Harry ever appear on Good Morning America? IIRC he was supposed to appear yesterday or this morning but I can't find anything. GMA is taped on the east coast so that would mean a 4:00 wake up. Maybe he couldn't handle that? Still drunk; too hungover?

Remember the good old days when she was practising chiropractics on her bump. Life was so simple then.

Like it was yesterday. Took me back.

He’s gonna end up at Malibu Cliffsides or whenever the rich people go for “rehab”.

And then they’ll have more fodder for another round of mental illness porn.

R286, he was on on Friday, the day the Apple series was released.

R289, he has supposedly had inpatient treatment previously, did not take.

He is a mess and the flashes of surpressed anger when speaking to Oprah were a bit chilling as are somre of the rumors re: past anger.

It's clear Harry is a fucking mess. There were a few moments over the years where we caught a glimpse of it, but here's to the Palace PR who built an image of Harry just being the fun loving younger brother. They deserve a fucking medal.

Flashes of suppressed anger you say? Just wait 'til he's good and liquored up.

Supposedly happened during training exercises in S. California 10 years ago. I posted as 52 in the Recollections X thread with a commentary. I'd copy and paste but this particular thread is giving me a lot of trouble with c & p and scrolling.

Harry is a sloppy drunk. The Army cleaned up a lot of his messes, more like glorified babysitting.

Even with the teacher cheating for him at Eton he did not even come CLOSE to qualifying for Sandringham. He was pushed along and so much was covered up but he NEVER grew up and NEVER stopped being a messy drunk and addict. Likely genuine mental illness and not simply that his mother died.

[Quote]He was pushed along and so much was covered up but he NEVER grew up and NEVER stopped being a messy drunk and addict.

R296 - I'm reminded of that concept that an addict/alcoholic's emotional and social development begins to slow down at the age they start using and eventually ceases. Harry began at 12...

Yes, R297. Kids with LDs often have anger issues and poor regulation, he does not seem to have gotten targeted help re: that despite having those issues since young childhood. DBT or CBT could be life changing. Talk therapy is worsening his narcissistic traits and tendency to externalize blame. He needs to get clean and have tools for emotional regulation and a therapeutic approach rooted in individual responsibility. It is difficult to see that happening when the biz plan of the Harkles seems to be to trash his family.

I have read it said that if repeated rehab does not stick there is usually underlying untreated mental illness. Kids with LDs often feel different and unsuccessful and get in trouble/scolded a lot, a common defensive mechanism it to not seem to care. And as they get older to use to mask the frustration and feeling different. Guidance re: a good career fit and a careful choice of partner is even more important.

Americans don’t like whiners. We may like famewhores (see the Kartrashians) but not whiners who throw family under the bus. Actually one of the selling points of the Kartrashians is that tightness as a family. They never whine and complain either. When they get trashed in public they just carry on, they owe part of their success to having thick skin as privileged cunts.

Harry and Meghan could learn from the Kartrashians. Ditch the whining and celebration of victimhood. Uh no, Harry, your past, alleged trouble of unable to say no to royal “work” thus leading to “burnout” was entirely your own fault. Own up to it, you were the yes man as you say, not through the fault of others but solely yours alone. You lacked the will and backbone to say no. Others didn’t force you nor could they read your mind that your hated going on royal tours and be fake caring/ nice to people who were less fortunate than you are.

Most Americans are forgiving of celebs who make mistakes or who are flawed but decent talent. Unless they’re hypocrites or bullies, worse if you are both as Meghan’s friend Chrissy Tiegen has since found out. Right now most Americans associate Harry and Meghan with the following: Oprah, couple with inherited wealth being whiny, quitting RF for privacy of Hollywood/ influencer career, bashing and blaming family for $$$/ publicity. They don’t offer nor create anything of value unless you count monetizing dead mother and unresolved emotional dysregulation as valuable commodities.

This is an interesting take on it all, borrowing:

Just one question. What's her ultimate goal? How is turning Harry against the future king going to help her or him?

Btw. I said Harry's wife likes the sound of clicking cameras and was groaned to hell. LOL I posted in the wrong thread.

I've been considering this and she's either monumentally stupid or she's a conwoman that hit the big leagues and is fast realising she's in over her head. I don't buy the narrative of ultra-strategic Meghan with an endgame.

If I were her mother or a good friend, I'd be telling her to start thinking of a plan B.

I've heard people say confidently that her endgame is divorce but is she really placed to benefit? What's her current status?

Harry did the Corden show, was on Dax Shepherd's podcast, got two jobs on mental health and misinformation, has just produced and starred in an AppleTV+ series, has the only announced Netflix documentary coming out. He's still patron of African Parks, Invictus and Sentebale.

Together, they have a partnership with World Central Kitchen, did an interview with Oprah, did one lone podcast.

Alone, she wrote a book inspired by Harry's love for Archie, appeared on some zoom calls, wrote a NYT piece on her miscarriage where she was supported by Harry, invested in a mushroom coffee start-up. She's basically a sideshow not the star player. Harry is the one with the offers, the TV shows and the jobs but the whole world sees her as using him.

We've seen numerous times when they were royals where she pushed Harry aside so she can hog the limelight, is she really happy being a side note right in her 'hood? All she seems to be getting are cameos in Harry's interviews. For someone so thirsty of attention, is that by choice? She didn't want to be overshadowed by Kate but is she not in a worse position now barely any solo project at all?

Who do we think is better set-up in the event of a divorce? Harry says he was deeply traumatised but is now whole, showing on camera how he was made whole with a therapist's testimony; Meghan (and Harry) says she was suicidal, planned exactly how to kill herself and her unborn child. There is no record that she is now whole or that she is no longer suicidal. She's the one being investigated for 'horrific' bullying. If you were a judge, who would you give custody to? Between Meghan and Harry, who would get more credible character references?

I'm not seeing what others are seeing. She has all the risks and little reward so far. She has no announced solo Netflix show, she has no solo appearances on credible outlets. She also doesn't have Harry's service background. She was the first to ditch her family. If Harry breaks down, she's bought it. If there is a divorce, he has a better public record of overcoming his trauma and of being a good father. Consider what Harry said, if she didn't kill herself and her unborn child because of Harry, why would a judge give her custody without Harry? Wouldn't the children be considered at risk with her?

So what exactly is Markle gaining from this state of events? What has she done since Megxit besides getting pregnant? No, strip out the PR and hot air and she has no endgame. Things are not working out for her as well as they appear to be working for Harry on the surface. It's worse now; she started the manipulation of Harry, unfortunately for her, the professional manipulators have kicked her aside and taken over. They have access to the real royal, she is of no use to them. When they've wrung what they can from Harry, they'll toss him back to her with any crumbs they can offer her (more cameos). She'll be left with a zombie of a man and all the blame for abusing him (as has already started). This will all end in tears for both of them. Couldn't happen to a nicer person, though.

Oprah, creating more "evidence" just like she mocked up fake headlines in O1. If there are real claims by the Narkles why the need to invent fake evidence? Orca should lose her "reputation" over this. It is more like propoganda than journalism.

Wonder how this all with end with Harry and Meghan. The eventual divorce, I guess

But, I get a bad vibe that something tragic may happen. Harry seems really unhinged

Agree, R302.

Mic drop

Wait. Is Harry saying that Meghan is getting the SAME kind of attention that Diana got?

R305, Meghan is the Second Coming of the People’s Princess/Princess of Hearts.

No, He is saying He is Diana.

He's the white anglo being pursued(as if) because he is w. a POC.

Meghan when she figures out this is what he is pulling, is not only going to tap his hand. She is going to go full out Madea (remember the Tyler Perry connection) & hit him w. the cast iron frying pan.

F-ckin' -ell She's Diana!

Actually, a shot to the head, if well placed, well it might even help Earl Dumbo-tan

The metaphor changes depending on the sentence he's spewing. Sometimes he's Diana, sometimes she's Diana. Usually it's her

The general public doesn’t give two shits about Meghan.

This whole situation has gotten completely out of control. Makes you truly appreciate how the BRF handles press and stories.

Harry is fucked

In that scenario is HE Diana or is she? It is all so confusing. Guess he best give up the boozing and wear his seatbelt, no?

The many millions being spent on PR do not appear to be coming from the Narkles. As her lack of any career is becoming more glaring it seems money being poorly spent - to what end?

Harry wants to exploit IG for cash, others behave differently.

Now that his formidable grandfather is dead, I wonder if Harry is feeling liberated to REALLY let his emotional freak flag fly.

Speaking of Megz career....how is her book selling? Kate's recent book "Hold Still" is a number one "The Times" bestseller here in the UK.

Not out until June, R314, but already heavily discounted.

I just wish the grim reaper would come and take H & M & O in one fell swoop.

Was Oprah always a hack? Jesus, she’s been really off with this whole Harry / Meghan shit

Still waiting, R204. You seem to be keeping your head low.

As you would.

R317 Oprah has always been a snake oil salesperson: Dr. Philip, Dr. Oz anyone? Despite being wealthy beyond all measure, her relevance and spotlight has been fading since she ended her talk show. She sees $$$ with Meghan and Harry that's all.

She likes to promote the New Age cult Agape and their spiritual practices too. Doria has also attended for many years as did Meghan, who even attended Agape summer camp. You can see where her strong belief in "manifesting" came from.

Hard to feel sympathy for Harry when he is so out of touch, many days I have had to gird myself going into an unpleasant work situation. He just comes off as spoiled rotten.

Also mentally ill and likely addicted, R321.

In a custody decision, would the judge go for mom who has had suicidal ideation with no treatment mentioned or dad who admits recent anger issues, heavy drinking and drug use?

Charlie Sheen had the ex wife who took in her kids' feral half-sibs, what would become of Merchie and Ariel?

There is no evidence of a bond here at all. Merchie got in his first opportunity to promote Oprah (her book club). The book is for 4 year olds and he was turning 1. She seemed a bit annoyed by his normal behavior and when he burbled dada.

At least Harry doesn't have to worry about paternity. Archie looks just like him.

Archie looks like Thomas Markle, other than his eyes. He even seems to have his build, from the recent video.

"Merchie." I love that, R324. I wish you could get credit for all time because I have a feeling that nickname is going to catch on.

Courtney Love fared far better, esp financially, as the grieving widow.

If Harry is egged on and humiliated enough, who knows how it might go?

If they did go the Sciento route it would likely help her career and help her control Haz.

Millions continue to be spent on PR as her career dwindles. What is that really about and who is really paying? A joke on SM was that MeGain should go after Fayed, he has $ and they could trash the BRF forever.

“There was no option to leave” he says. As if he were living in North Korea or a gulag in Siberia.

Again, he’s whining about his cushy and privileged life as if he were so oppressed. Does that go over well with the woke crowd?

He had said they fled and were prevented from leaving. It seems quite disordered but it is a standard, lazy Sunshine Sucks tactic of creating competing info to drive discussion.

I strongly suspect, R329 that they only appear to go over well with anyone due to the high volume paid PR.

Harry is kind of a Scar like figure, he even made jokes about it at The Lion King premier. His jealousy of William is pathological, it may well extend to George, there was never any evidence of them being close.

They act like there were armed guards stationed at their doors to prevent them from leaving whatever palace they were calling home.

I know BG is not trustworthy 99% of the time, bit everything they have written about H&M has been proven true. Everything. So take this as you wish, but this is has been talked about on Twitter by others. The website Harry's military unit posts on were made to stop taking about their info on Harry.

R110 That has got to be my favorite conspiracy theory ever. Ever. It's too diabolical to be true, but I love it just the same.

Every once in awhile I just have this fleeting thought of can this really be happening? It's incredible.

From O1 in March

Oprah: So, in conclusion, if you’d had the support, you’d still be there?

Harry: Without question.

Meghan: Yeah.

How can the ginger idiot now try to say that the RF wants his wife dead. I mean seriously wtaf.

I believe Harry believes that his family abandoned him and did not protect Meghan. Now, whether those fears and anger are being stoked up by Meghan, well, that's another story. Behind the scenes we know both William and Harry have had a bumpy relationship over the years with Harry always having an underlying of jealousy of William. William is the heir, William found a good partner earlier, is a loving father with children who adore him etc. Both William & Harry have a difficult relationship with their father (though William in recent years has patched things up) interestingly someone dug up a clip from 2017 on Twitter where Harry defended his father publicly saying "he was always there for us." It's also clear that Harry didn't like the fact that so much was being dictated to him (e.g. statements and how to deal with the press) and he hated that. What he doesn't seem to realize is that this "control" was in place to protect him. Harry doesn't seem to understand that the monarchy doesn't exist for his benefit, it exists with the goodwill of the people. It's becoming very clear why the "censored" Harry a lot. Harry's assertion his family is "trapped" in this life, was probably the most damning thing he ever said off all the BS he's spinning. In this day and age when duty is frowned upon and things are more "me centric" if members of the monarchy express the feeling they are trapped that risks the institution as a whole.

Meghan had floated a buyout number during the Megxit negotiations and was shot down. BG posted this in Feb 2020.

[quote] We have a fascinating story to tell you about a famous couple!

[quote] This actress has caused so much controversy – and caused so many disruptions to the family into which she married – that it is sometimes difficult to figure out exactly what kind of game she is playing.

[quote] Allow us to tell you about one game she played that was so public – yet so sneaky – that we all missed it!

[quote] There was actually a point at which his family could have made her “go away” by paying her off.

[quote] When was that? What was she looking for?

[quote] During the negotiations. She would have accepted a very large amount of cash to walk away.

[quote] Here’s what happened. She had her people pass along her number to several outsiders. They, in turn, publicly stated the number as the “value” that they put on her brand.

[quote] That was the amount of the buyout she was proposing!

[quote] That range was her ask. She would have liked the high end, but would have settled for the low end.

[quote] Why make that number so public? Why didn’t our actress just have her people negotiate directly with the family in private?

[quote] To have asked them for it directly – either verbally or in writing – would have presented serious legal issues. This way it looked like a simple and objective analysis done by outsiders.

[quote] Not to mention the fact that her husband would likely have discovered that she was willing to trade him for a very large, ransom-like payoff!

[quote] So the ask was made via some very public statements. How did his family react?

[quote] His family knew exactly what she was doing. They probably did debate the pros and cons of meeting her demands or making an alternative offer. However, in the end, they decided it was all so egregious that it was better to simply sever the relationship. They just hope that he will return someday.

[quote] Supposedly she was surprised that they did not make an offer, but not devastated.

[quote] While she did not get exactly what she was wanted – which was a quick buyout – she will now set out to “earn” that money alongside her hapless and naive husband.

The question BG posed...

Her Buyout Number: I say, 100M

Should they have paid her? Negotiated to 10M

100 million? Meghan was insane. Diana only got 17 million pounds as a divorce payout: In today's money that would still only be about 40 million dollars, and she was Princess of Wales for 15 years and the mother of a future king. The Royals were right to tell Duchess Grifty to fuck off.

Was the pregnancy somehow a threat to trf? Some kind of blackmail? Wearing a moon bump, and rather carelessly as she did, makes no sense. Yet she did. Revealing the pregnancy at the wedding? (Beatrice or Eugenie, I forget which one) Her obsessively rubbing her belly was obscene, very disturbing and to me disgusting. The lie about when she gave birth. All of it strange as hell. She is one creepy bitch. Just makes my skin crawl.

The pregnancy means she's tied to Harry forever, and hence to the BRF forever. Having one of Diana's granddaughters just cements that tie. They will never be truly rid of her.

NO they will not, you are right. Those poor children. I think both of them are narcissists and both are very cruel people. Her mother was/is in or with a cult. None are good people, imo. God knows what and who those children will be surrounded by. They have been totally cut off and isolated. It just seems ominous.

One of the kids is going to write a motherfucker of a memoir in about 30 years. The other one will probably cut themselves off from Harry and Meghan and never speak of them publicly.

Will Charles ever even get to meet the new granddaughter?

Boy, those of us who watched Charles and Di’s wedding could never have dreamed of the drama to come.

R344- Right? It was a fairy tale come to life. I do not know of very many people who did not watch , and many recorded, that wedding. The horse drawn carriage, it had it all right out of a Disney fairytale. I even remember Diana messed up on all 100 of Prince Charles' names, lol. I think they later said she accidentally married Prince Philip. It was endearing. Then she went and gave birth to Scut Farkus.

Loathesome as he is I still think he is being exploited.

I don't like agreeing with Wooton, Piers or Candace, more reasons to hate Harry's 1st wife. What is happening is disgusting to see. What, is she gunning to be the profiting widow a la Courtney Love (pun intended). Markle and her flying monkeys Oprah and Gayle need to be held to account for exploiting someone who by his own account is mentally ill.

I agree with both of you. He is a cruel person and extremely unlikable now, but I agree he is also a victim. If something happens to him they will be held accountable, at least by the public. It doesn't matter what kind of person someone is, it is disturbing and so morally wrong and psychopathic to exploit the mentally ill. They are encouraging him to humiliate himself and lose everyone in his life. Isolation. First sign of an abusive relationship. I know all too well bc I have lived it and I had to leave everything I owned except the clothes on my back and my preemie baby . She was still on an apnea monitor. These people can be murderously dangerous. This is why I have such disgust for her. I KNOW her kind. They have no conscience. They are sadistic.

Lady Colin Campbell's petition now has over 20k signatures. Anyone from any location can sign. It is a tactic that she was likely asked to advance. Perhaps it would reduce the stress that Haz seems to be under.

I am glad that you and your child are safe now, R348.

I think both Narkles are sadistic but the exploitation of the mentally ill for money and entertainment and to advance agendas is grotesque and should not be tolerated in a civil society.

Oprah and Ellen are also sadists if you pay attention.

I really think this may end tragically for Harry.

I'm fascinated by how Oprah is hitching her wagon to the attempt to destroy the BRF. As loathsome as she is, you'd think she'd want to stay on the right side of The Queen herself rather than aligning with HRM's deranged grandson.

I'm mystified by Oprah. I can't figure out why she's doing what she's doing.

I think that Oprah likes to present herself as hanging with royalty and having some kind of relationship with them - she doesn't really care who or how. She glommed onto Harry because he's and easy mark. Not like she's going to get sit-downs with William and Kate.

R352 Once they reach a certain level of wealth and fame, they get bored. What better to fill the void than a messiah complex?

Why? Oprah wasn’t ever going to get an interview with the Queen nor Prince Charles, not even in her heyday. She was never well-known outside the US. She has no reason to be supportive of the BRF. But this, Former B-actress marries into royal family, and proceeds to self-destruct, it’s got Oprah written all over it.

I think you mean D-list actress.

R350- Thank you. I was very lucky to still have my mother, who was just itching to shoot him on the head, lol. He knew it . She is the only person I ever saw him fear. He beat me, he threatened to kill my baby in front of me then kill me What he was really enraged about is the fact that he could not turn me against my family. He could not stop me from talking to them daily or seeing them . Or loving them dearly. He lied about them to me, trying to make me believe they had said hurtful or mean things behind my back. No fucking way. Not my family. You didn't get between us. It made him almost murderous that he couldn't do that. He tried moving us out of state, everything. This is what I see her doing, but at the same time, wtf Harry? How could you allow anyone to hurt your family? Only you have the power to allow that.

A messiah complex is right in line with the Apape cult, which Oprah and Doria have been involved with for years. Meghan attended as a child and even went to their summer camp as a teen. You can see the influence of The Secret on her and her strong belief in "manifesting."

Look at the messianistic poses Meg and Haz are striking.

Oprah used to do this before cv. I worked with a frau who followed it around to several cities, it was culty too.

From some article on Harry's interview: "He told Oprah: 'Certainly now I will never be bullied into silence', adding: 'I thought my family would help, but every single ask, request, warning, whatever it is, just got met with total silence, total neglect. "

What is it with the repeated use of these cringe-inducing buzzwords "bullied" and "silence"? Are they trying to dog-whistle regular people who feel powerless and resentful? Nobody is "silencing" or "muzzling" anybody's "voice." Christ, they never stop talking. I guess we're expected not just to listen and tolerate, but to CELEBRATE!

He uses the word "warning' as well. Threats to his family to do as he wants? Does it strike as a threat as well?

R361-Did you read it as a threat too. Sorry. Typo Tuesday. 😊

They have used "muzzle: for a while too.

It seems like straight up extortion and elder abuse. Nothing to celebrate.

Quackery? No resources offered for those who are stuggling and with shocking irresponsibility, discussion of suicide without even a hotline number on screen.

R363 To me it reads in part as a cynical ploy to seem relatable, whether it's to a suburban frau ("My in-laws try to muzzle ME, too!") or to a group of people who feel oppressed.

R364- OW is rich and has connections to powerful people, and one would assume lawyers. No one is advising her about her very unethical and potentially harmful advice about mental illness treatment? This has massive lawsuit written all over it. This is so out of the norm strange. Wtf are they after?

Oprah and mental illness. Just like Oprah and health (Dr. Oz), Oprah and counseling (Dr. Phil), Oprah is using Harry in her pose as mental health guru. She has a history of embracing and pushing "solutions" on her willing audience. Meaningful and effective therapy doesn't take place before cameras.

The whole "mental health" thing has become a huger industry than ever, it seems. Just yesterday I heard on my car radio a commercial for some mental health dot org thing, sounded like competition for Harry's ventures. It's all too much, I don't like it.

Did anyone who watched see the therapist "treating" him on camera identified? Wonder if it is someone who holds a CA license?

Goldie Lock-Down 3 hours ago Oh, the hypocrisy. When Thomas Markle talked to the press, it was betrayal. When Harry and his wife do it, it's healing.

New from Lady C

What really enrages me is they are targeting young people. If this was happening 7 or 8 years ago her ass would called out loud and clear. That is the last time I remember any sanity and morals being the norm. When President Obama was in office. Now the rich and elite are above the law and they and we know it. I hate them with the heat of a thousand Suns.

Harry at the Olympics, look how everyone around him acts like this is typical behavior on his part. What a tool. Pray for those children.

R373- Yes, like that was the norm. Isn't Harry humiliated by that photo? With his money he could have had that scrubbed from the internet, right? He is sitting in the middle and they are leaning up to talk as if he isn't there. Now that really appears to be mental illness, not just a man-child sulking like a bratty toddler. He also looks as if he is trying not to cry.

Oprah faked documents just like Bashir, why is that not called out?

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R376 I remember that the Daily Mail hinted it was going to sue Harpo Productions over this but hasn't.

As for why Oprah is jumping aboard the H&M ship...money. Remember she had never met Harry before and Meghan for about a hot minute but attended their wedding? Let's remember, Oprah's relevance has been waning since she ended her talk show. OWN never took off, her magazine closed, she's had to sell some property, her last tour was not as successful & she had to go to smaller venues, the white "fraus" who were the core of her audience are now all Trumpists and loath her. This is the final attempt to be relevant.

I still don’t understand what Harry expected his family to do to “protect” Meghan, or what exactly she needed protection from. It’s all quite vague, though one complaint seems to be that staffers were leaking to the tabloids. That’s a legitimate gripe, but on the flip side Meghan was reportedly treating staff poorly, and that sort of thing is bound to get out. Why would Harry and Meghan want to focus attention on this issue, never mind claim the moral high ground?

They seem to be trying to build a brand based on victimhood which they believe young people will identify with, R378.

I agree R377, that makes the most sense, it just also has the vibe of a vendetta almost. Maybe that is just me, lol. I suppose it could be both. After learning about her possible money issues now it makes sense, finally. But I do feel someone else is behind this as well, maybe a personal reason to harm trf? Idk, maybe I have watched too many true crime shows, lol!

Agree, R380, and the many, many millions being spent on PR are beyond the Sussex duo.

Can you imagine his children watching this one day?

How, with the Bashir Panorama interview so prominent, can he miss the PARALLELS?

And the Agape cult and circling Scienos are things even unstable Diana did not have to contend with.

R379- They expected and I think demanded that trf censor freedom of the press. These are two people who get enraged over the comments section of the DM, yet read every single comment everyday. They sued the newspaper over the slightest criticism of them. Yes, it is insane and yes this is why they are working with tech companies to censor free speech. Seriously.

@R382- ETA: And she thinks she is going to be a successful politician? I would love to know what their correct mental diagnosis would be. They are too thin-skinned to handle the comments from the DM, but want to be in politics. Make it make sense.

Harry doesn’t acknowledge the role that Meghan’s behavior played in everything that unfolded.

Nor his own, R384. He really could benefit from rehab and a 12 step program focused on individual responsibility. Addicts and drunks would rip his delusions and arrogance apart.

Harry could also benefit from a neurophsych eval and targeted interventions on his issues which predated his parent's divorce and his mother's death.

Harry's learning disabilities were known, his mother was even advised that Eaton was not a good fit for his profile, but she went ahead anyway. The anger, etc, is common and has been there all his life. Diana raised it to her own psychiatrist when he was tiny and later complained he was always getting in fights at school

Sad...

I wonder how much of a danger they are to others. Wasn't the police called to their residence several times? Domestic violence? Hell, they may end up beating each other senseless.

Meghan has done this in other relationships, supposedly, the isolating, the screaming arguments and the police calls.

In the vid at R388, sending him on that tour (I am sure with MANY minders) they must have felt hopeful that they could create a role that was a good fit for Harry. And it seemed to go well. Really is quite sad, I do not see how his reputation will EVER recover from his recent ravings and the harm done to his grandparents, who could respect a person who would do that just for MORE money?

I call BS on this whole "staff were leaking to the tabloids." Yes, royal reporters and tabloids have contacts within the royal household that's nothing new but the negative stories came out from ex-staff or people not working with the royals. The story about Meghan making Kate cry and screaming at Princess Charlotte allegedly came form employees at Clare Waight Keller's studio not royal staff. It's also been discussed openly how Meghan leaked stories through her friends constantly.

Sadly here in America we are obsessed with mental health and the victim mentality is a big seller.

Narcs often do that, R392, acuse others of what THEY are doing. Sometimes can be a bit of a heads up when they get to projecting.

Meghan is a sociopath. The scrubbed stories need to come out, the sorority one, the Charlotte one, the bullying staff, the screaming at store employees in Toronto, all of it. She is clearly running scared of the bullying investigation, much of what is going on now it to try to set the counter narrative and throw a lot of mud hoping to pre-emptively disparage the claims.

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The only genetic pain that Harry had inherited is Diana’s crazy genes and expressed traits. He got all of her bad traits and none of the good ones. Meghan seems to confuse new age bullshit as mental health therapy. Next up, she will teach Harry how to read patterns on avocado toast a la tea leaves. Then they will indulge in daily healing sessions with money-scented crystals that were first blessed by Oprah.

Agape is ALL ABOUT that stuff, R394. Meghan attended throughout her childhood and Doria and Oprah have been involved for years.

Diana was into very New Agey stuff before her death.

In some financial statement of Charles re: expenses paid for the Narkles before Archie's arrival, one was for multiple sessions of numerology. I kid you not.

Harry probably needs rehab and mood stabilizers. But the 1st wife was said to get him off all psych meds early on. Wonder what the agenda was behind that? And what would a family court judge make of HER suicidal ideation with no reported treatment beyond cuddles and a move?

It's the sort of California flakiness they used to skewer on AbFab.

Did the BRF know how she has been influenced by the Agape cult?

What a LOON.

According to the source, 'Meghan is also a big advocate of tapping therapy and said she started tapping regularly after watching the documentary Heal. '

The tapping technique, or Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT), is used to relieve anxiety and emotional pain by tapping on pressure points.

'[Meghan]is convinced that tapping has helped both her and Harry release negative patterns imprinted on their DNA from past generations - generations going all the way back to even the darkest of times including slavery, war, you name it,' the source said.

According to the source, 'Meghan is also a big advocate of tapping therapy and said she started tapping regularly after watching the documentary Heal' +7 According to the source, 'Meghan is also a big advocate of tapping therapy and said she started tapping regularly after watching the documentary Heal'

'Meghan also does Reiki on herself, and even on Archie and her dogs to help them feel more balanced and relaxed.'

Grifter trash human causing much pain to people who loved her or Harry, but that is ignored or ramped up in favor of a focus on self angrandizement and woo woo. SO irresponsible to talk about suicide so recklessly as though concrete plans are not a medical emergency. NO provision of even a hotline number. I hope they and Oprah are sued.

In one of the earlier Agape Church links the church said it used the Gospels but not the Gospels in Greek, they use the Aramaic ones. No Aramaic texts exist and the Gospels were written in Greek. This is a fact, all reputable scholars agree. And yet they feel they can put this on their website. It's verifiable, not like claims to energy fields. And Oprah affiliate with this. Either extremely ignorant or shameless. Also if they make up their own Scriptures they are completely untethered to any tradition. They can make it up as they go along. Yes, a cult.

Look at the messianistic poses the Narkles are striking, R401, extremely creepy.

Yeah, that language is to "seem" vaguely Christian, the Scienos (who Oprah also has ties to) put a cross on one of their buildings in NY to better deceive.

Meghan attended for years and the Agape emphasis on manifestation and "The Secret" had a huge influence on her, clear in The Tig and her choices and strategies in life.

Harry is rumored to be receiving therapy "through a church."

Oprah has long promoted New Age ideas and named the Agape founder one of 100 most influential people. Doria has attended for years and Meg even went to summer camp there. The guy who came forward who said he was her boyfriend at 13 and who is pushing an agenda, "the BRF are racist" is heavily involved with Agape and is the son of one of the ministers I think I read.

They seem to be employers from hell.

Their kids will have attachment issues for sure. Maybe they will turn out to be sociopaths like mommy and daddy.

There were a lot of serious issues including sexual assault at the girls school Oprah opened. Much was swept under the rug. She has also kept very questionable company, will leave it at that.

New Age when it is free floating is annoying but harmless most of the time. But Agape seems structured and more manipulative than most New Age. OW has become as creepy as Cruise.

Oprah is believed to have ties not just to Agape but also Scienos too, R406. And not only Oprah has longstanding Agape ties but so does Doria and The Secret clearly had a huge impact on Meghan who also attended for years.

Beckwith, like the Narkles, uses the word "service" a lot but probably not in the same way you or I would. For them it seems to lead to enrichment in very earthly terms.

Agape has clever marketing, bit deceptive. Seems similar to Scienos with the classes. Bit more selling crystals and bit less selling Xenu. The founder was a drug dealer in college and has that addict's getting over personality. Very charismatic. No extenal and objective right/wrong, focus on self and seems like morality is self defining moral reletavism.

Wonder how much those classes at Agape University bring in? Giving L Ron a run for his money?

Oprah had repeated incidents of sex assualt at her school for girls in SA. There were other issues too.

I think she is better at hiding it than Ellen but I thing both like to hold people up for ridicule and mockery. Bit sadistic.

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Williamson, like Oprah has strong ties to Agape

People have been calling out Oprah for years

All in all, it was a perfect hour of tabloid television. Who could look away from Suzanne Somers's sad but captivating efforts to turn back time? And if there was a stab of guilt in the pleasure we took in the spectacle, Oprah was close by to ease our minds, to reassure us, with the straightest face, that it was all in the name of science and self-improvement. Oprah routinely grabs viewers with the sort of tales of the strange and absurd that might be found a few clicks over on Maury Povich or Jerry Springer: women who leave their husbands for other women (another recent Oprah episode); a 900-pound mom (ditto). But there is a difference. Oprah makes her audience feel virtuous for gaping at the misfortunes of others. What would be sniffed at as seamy on Maury is somehow praised as anthropology on Oprah. This is Oprah's special brilliance. She is a gifted entertainer, but she makes it seem as though that is beside the point. Oprah is not here to amuse you, she is here to help you. To help you understand your feelings; drop those unwanted pounds; look and feel younger; get your thyroid under control; to smooth your thighs, nip and tuck your wrinkles, awaken your senses and achieve spiritual tranquillity so that you can at last be free to "Live Your Best Life."

How Agape!

But speaking of suicide and trauma and exploiting THAT for entertainment really shreds the vice cloaked as virtue model she peddles. Esp if her irresponsiibltiy, not even a HOTLINE is offered to the viewer, leads to tragedy.

Odd how his mum was into all this new agey stuff as she spun out at the same age as Haz, no?

More from the Newsweek piece

This is where things get tricky. Because the truth is, some of what Oprah promotes isn't good, and a lot of the advice her guests dispense on the show is just bad. The Suzanne Somers episode wasn't an oddball occurrence. This kind of thing happens again and again on Oprah. Some of the many experts who cross her stage offer interesting and useful information (props to you, Dr. Oz). Others gush nonsense. Oprah, who holds up her guests as prophets, can't seem to tell the difference. She has the power to summon the most learned authorities on any subject; who would refuse her? Instead, all too often Oprah winds up putting herself and her trusting audience in the hands of celebrity authors and pop-science artists pitching wonder cures and miracle treatments that are questionable or flat-out wrong, and sometimes dangerous.

Guess this changed as her empire shrank and victimhood took hold in the culture?

"The first-person story that, as Oprah says, puts "a human face on topics" is an important part of the show's success. Perhaps Oprah's most attractive quality, and one that sets her apart from other daytime hosts, is that she abhors the celebration of victimhood. She succeeded despite a childhood of abuse, and her own experience left her with very little tolerance for people who indulge in self-pity or blame cruel fate for their troubles. She often features regular people or, even better, celebrities, who have met challenges in their lives."

Here’s my two cents on the EFT/tapping. I see it as a mild sort of behavior training. Like the people who quit smoking using a rubber band around their wrist. When they get an urge to smoke, they snap the rubber band to create a mild physical pain.

Or the people with autism who “stim” when they’re stressed.

I don’t think it HEALS GENETIC WOUNDS or anything, but it might be a better coping behavior than self-harm. That’s all it is, IMO.

Oprah's nuttiness sounds SO Agape

Northrup holds a special place in Oprah's constellation of regular guests. A Dartmouth-educated ob-gyn, she stresses alternative therapies and unseen connections between the soul and the body that she believes conventional doctors overlook, but that she can see. She has written about how she has used Tarot cards to help diagnose her own illnesses. (On her Web site, she sells her own "Women's Wisdom Healing Cards.") In other words, she gets right to the center of Oprah's search for hidden mystical meanings. Oprah says she reads Northrup's menopause book "just like it's the Bible. It's the book next to my bed. I read the Bible. I read that book."

Voice themes, she and Megain are a perfect match and MANIFESTING is from The Secret, written by the Agape founder

But Northrup believes thyroid problems can also be the result of something else. As she explains in her book, "in many women, thyroid dysfunction develops because of an energy blockage in the throat region, the result of a lifetime of 'swallowing' words one is aching to say."

On the show, she told Oprah that "your body gives you signals: 'Hey, you've been putting too much stuff under the carpet ...' "

Oprah : So your body ... is only manifesting what's really going on with your spirit?

Northrup: But your intellect doesn't know it. This is the important part. It's not—you're not causing this deliberately ... It's your soul bringing it to your attention.

Oprah: Right. It's your soul trying to speak to you.

An interesting theory—but is there anyone who believes that what Oprah suffers from is an inability to express herself?

"The problem is that this all has the aura of being scientific when a lot of it is wrong, or not proven or just utter hogwash," Cooper says. "No wonder it sounds very credible to the patients, and in my opinion, that's even worse. If it was all complete rubbish, people would be more likely to see it for what it really is."

The person flying under the radar in all of this is Doria.

She is the liaison between Agape, Orpha and the diabolical duo. Her unassuming, lowkey act at the wedding worked, no one is talking about her.

...and she retired and is now CEO of some nursing home?

Well played, Doria, well played.

Oprah covered The Secret without seeeming to mention her Agape ties

This perpetual search for The Answer reached its apex a couple of years ago, when Oprah led the frenzy over The Secret. The video and accompanying book were a rehash of one of the oldest of self-help truisms—"think positive"—refreshed with a dusting of "science." The secret of The Secret was something called the Law of Attraction. As Oprah put it on the show, "It says that the energy, that the thoughts and feelings that you put out into the world, both good and bad, are exactly what is always coming back to you, so you have the life that you have created." Oprah and the teachers of The Secret, as they call themselves, did not mean this metaphorically. They explained that the universe and everything in it are made of vibrating energy, and by thinking positively we can actually "attract" the positive vibrations of the universe and bend them to our will. "You're a field of energy in a larger field of energy," one of The Secret's teachers said. "And like attracts like, and that's very, very scientific."

By harnessing this powerful science, they said, we can have anything we want—happiness, love, fabulous wealth. This was so inspiring to Oprah that she devoted three shows to the product and appeared on Larry King to talk it up more. She said it encapsulated everything she believes. "I've been talking about this for years on my show," she said. "I just never called it The Secret."

On one of the Secret shows, Oprah gave an example of the scientific power of the concept. She said that once, while she was hosting an episode about a man who could blow really big soap bubbles, she was thinking to herself, "Gee, that looks fun. I would like to blow some bubbles." When she returned to her office after the show, there, on her desk, was a silver Tiffany bubble blower. "So I call my assistant," Oprah told the audience. "I say, 'Did you just run out and get me some bubbles? 'Cause I got bubbles by my desk.' And she says, 'No, the bubbles were always there. I bought you bubbles for your birthday and you didn't notice them until today'."

There are many lessons that might be drawn from this anecdote. One is that if you give Oprah a thoughtful gift, she may not bother to notice it or thank you for it. This is not the lesson Oprah took away from her story. Because the way she sees it, her assistant hadn't really given her the gift at all. She gave it to herself. Using the power of The Secret, she said, "I had called in some bubbles."

According to The Secret, however, the Law of Attraction can use the vibrations of the universe to deliver more than just bubbles. The book that Oprah urges everyone to live by teaches that all diseases can be cured with the power of thought alone: "The question frequently asked is, 'When a person has manifested a disease in the body temple … can it be turned around through the power of "right thinking"?' And the answer is absolutely, yes." The book then offers the testimonial of a woman identified as Cathy Goodman. "I was diagnosed with breast cancer. I truly believed in my heart, with my strong faith, that I was already healed. Each day I would say, 'Thank you for my healing'." Goodman watched "very funny movies" to make herself laugh. "From the time I was diagnosed to the time I healed was approximately three months. And that's without any radiation or chemotherapy."

The message got through. In March 2007, the month after the first two shows on The Secret, Oprah invited a woman named Kim Tinkham on the program. She had been diagnosed with breast cancer, and her doctors were urging surgery and chemotherapy. But Tinkham wrote Oprah to say that she had decided to forgo this treatment and instead use The Secret to cure herself. On the show, Oprah seemed genuinely alarmed that Tinkham had taken her endorsement of The Secret so seriously. "When my staff brought this letter to me, I wanted to talk to her," Oprah told the audience. "I said, get her in here, OK?" On air, Oprah urged the woman to listen to her doctors. "I don't think that you should ignore all of the advantages of medical science and try to, through your own mind now because you saw a Secret tape, heal yourself," she said. A few weeks earlier, Oprah could not say enough in praise of The Secret as the guiding philosophy of her life. Now she said that people had somehow gotten the wrong idea. "I think that part of the mistake in translation of The Secret is that it's used to now answer every question in the world. It is not the answer to all questions," she instructed. "I just wanted to say it's a tool. It is not the answer to everything." The Law of Attraction was just one law of many that guide the universe. "Although I live my life that way," Oprah said, "I think it has its flaws."

Sounds quite similar to Meg and her banishing of reality checks termed "negativity." She is into Agape way more than is acknowledged, CoE conversion aside.

Oprah has been associated with MANY frauds and hoaxsters over the years. James Frey, the couple who claimed a Holocaust survivors with a touching live story, the sweat lodge guy where a few or several people died, just to name a few. Maybe I’ll come back later after some research. Liars and frauds, all of them.

One time my husband and I were sitting in a cafe in the East Village. This gorgeous couple, man and woman, started chatting with us. They were visiting town and asked us for restaurant recommendation or somesuch. Then they asked if we had heard of “What The Bleep Do We Know?” which is a documentary film about quantum physics and all kinds of metaphysical stuff. It’s a lot like the Law of Attraction stuff. They were in town for a seminar and invited us. I had attributed their creepy sunshine-y perkiness and smarm to their being tourists. I gave them a cold brush-off and we left.

I could see them getting someone else to fall for it, because they were really attractive people.

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Well, the manifesting worked out for our Meg, didn’t it? She got the (at the time) most eligible bachelor on the planet, son of the most famous woman in the world, in line to the most glamorous and richly historic throne. That had to take some finesse, and balls of tungsten.

Loving Kindness sounds like a way for Agape to try to draw in the wealthy elderly. The social work license she posesses is not sufficient for such a business.

Not sure the reality of Haz is all that great, R 427 but maybe the deluge of PR is part of the manifesting?

Mom always said don't bother with people who can't do anything for you. ~Rachel

THIS combiined with the constant talk of "service" is Agape in an nutshell.

Final bit from Newsweek

There were limits to The Secret's healing powers even for Oprah. For there she was, in the months that followed, worrying over her thyroid, ingesting bioidentical hormones and putting on pounds. The Secret warns that all illness and misfortune is caused by attracting the negative power of the universe. "You cannot 'catch' anything unless you think you can," it says. "You are also inviting illness if you are listening to people talking about their illness."

Sooooo...what can one make of The Me You Can't See then? It explains Meghan dismissing anything she does not want to hear as "negativity" but what of Oprah and her motives for the series, both for those speaking and for the audience?

I think when Oprah kind of went away a lot of this was forgotten, maybe another reason to aim at youth?

.....

Did the Apple show address prescribed meds or that inpatient treatment may be needed as Oprah does in this piece from 2016?

EMDR seems in line with a lot of her "out there" theories promoted in the past, the person who invented it does too. But what else was offered?

Why was this her approach in 2006 but it was not mentioned in O1 or Apple?

Enough with the fucking Oprah and Agape shit. Bat shit crazy people.

Agree r427. But, think she ain’t gonna feel like she won power ball in the very near future. Her kids are gonna have half of his crazy DNA, many many people think she’s crap - the list goes on and on

R433 run for president, give me a fucking break. Stupid LA Times.

EMDR, as weird as it may sound, has a lot of research backing it up for treating those with PTSD. The Tapping stuff (EFT) was apparently a bit of a fad in the 70s, but I haven’t heard anything from reputable sources about it. Like someone said upthread, it borrows some concepts from other things, but adds in the acupuncture tapping.

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From his safe distance, Trevor Engelson must roar with laughter at Meghan's drama and antics.

Cory too, no doubt. She reportedly isolated both of them, too.

btw, the woman mentioned in the Newsweek-Oprah-The Secret article, Cathy Goodman who wished her breast cancer away? She dead, breast cancer.

Sad, R443. Shame if she limited her treatment options.

How do we think Meghan is handling being a bit sidelined? She was out and about when knocked up with Merchie. Even her book is not seeming very popular and no one wanted to have meetings with her. Hard for a control freak I would imagine, no?

Ahh, Reiki, R400. Meghan’s on top of ALL the latest quackery, ah, er, um scientific therapies.

Back in London they were into numerology, several "classes" showed up in financials Charles filed re: their expenses.

So many escapee fraus from Tumblr and the Nutty blog (a Frau paradise, my god)

R448- And here you are as well, posting right along with us!

Ok Oprah..Thanks for sharing.

But you really shouldn't slag off escapee fraus from wherever..If you can Just find the right cards to play they may come back to you. Then you won't have to sell off more real estate, your shown worn items, or have to hit the road in smaller(bad look the smaller the place the Bigger you look)venues for your dog & pony shows.

R445, I think it’s intentional. He’s cannon fodder.

[quote] The petition asking Harry to request that the Queen put ALL his titles in abeyance has almost 20k signatures. Anyone can sign, from any country. This would include his ducal and "Prince" titles so they would become Mr. & Mrs. Wales, or Mr. & Mrs. Mountbatten-Windsor. Hopefully this might reduce some of the mental stress on the unravelling Haz.

R216 (and various other freaks), you do understand that that petition is meaningless, correct? Two billion people could sign it and Harry still would have no obligation to do what it asks or to pay it any mind whatsoever.

The idea of the petition is to tangibly show Harry in black & white how many people think he is an ass.

He might not get it, but click conscious Meghan & advisors will

R448 is a twink frau.

R452, you are missing the point a bit. It is a tactic. See R443.

r371 Lady C got very angry and emotional in the last part of that video over Harry and Meghans bs suicide story. Her anger was totally justified .Her frustration and upset was palpable.

r405 I am increasingly feeling and coming to the view that Oprah is a VERY sinister person with some real wickedness in her.Definitely a sugar coated acid drop wolf in sheeps clothing type.

Stop trying to make “Harry’s first wife” happen. Nobody is picking up on it. It’s not funny. Or clever.

Just give it a rest, troll. The only person using “Harry’s first wife” is you. It’s a little sad, really.

^OK, Me-Again.

The Queen could strip Harry of his ducal title, r452.

Yeah, the twit who keeps going on about "Harry's first wife" is neither witty nor funny, but simply annoying and slightly infantile.

Not the person you are addressing, but...

You are incorrect. I've seen "Harry's first wife" or "Harry's wife" all over social media and the usual Harkle bloggers. No one wants to give her the mentions. It is not going away any time soon just because it annoys you.

You know what has never, and will never happen? The fucking lame KG bullshit. (Basically, just KGT projecting.)

Yeah, I don’t know where R458 and R461 have been.

Testing

I believe you may be correct, FR463.

Stevie Wonder can see that the marriage will not last, based on the 1st wife's pattern's alone. After all, both come from divorced parents, and HE is her SECOND or possibly THIRD husband after all. Poor odds. Plus both have bats in the belfry and appear to abuse substances, so, not really a chance. Aftr MeGain Haz will need to find someone to retire to the country with. Hopefully with the children in good boarding schools. Hopefully his 2nd wife will not be a sociopath who gets her jollies glueing someone's eyes shut with superglue. I still suspect that is where the bulk of Thomas' lottery win went, 1st wife should have been jailed for that. Not kind or a humanitarian, but, almost guaranteed to be only the 1st wife.

Sunshne Sucks may have a metric of the 1st wife's mentions on social media. There must be a reason it gets under their skin so.

Perhaps they should focus on their mismanagement of the account instead of moi, MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars spent for an increasingly negative image, and no job offers, oh dear!

This was in the DM piece on reiki on the kid and dogs.

"An insider with close ties to Meghan tells DailyMail.com exclusively, 'Meghan is the one who introduced Harry to the term ancestral healing. She said she learned about generational trauma from her mom [Doria Ragland] who started taking her to weekly services at Agapé International and credits it's founder Michael Beckwith for teaching her about spirituality."

Ever since that guy came forward we have known that MeAgain herself has ties to Agape and once you know that, the influence of The Secret in particular on her life is obvious. Wonder if she attends currently? Haz was rumored to be receiving therapy "through a church" hmmm. Oprah and Doria have been involved for years, and Meghan's teens were decades ago - she went to services and summer camp at Agape.

Anyone know what Agape teaches re: psych meds?

"Service" is another big Agape word but it seems synonymous with "grift." The founder was a drug dealer in college who had the cliche "spiritual conversion" during his trial. Seems to have borrorwed from the L. Ron playbook but with a mishmash and manifesting rather than Xenu.

Diana was into all the New Age claptrap herself. Harry is the WORST of his mother and of his self pitying father.

Good luck Arch and Arial, you are gonna need it!

The poor elephant charity says they never saw a dime. The Suckses are shady AF grifters.

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The term "Harry's first wife" is moronic whoever it's used by and wherever it appears.

The claims of going to palace HR for help are clearly a weak effort to undermine the bullying investigation preemptively. Not only is her mother a social worker, she even has connections to a SUICIDE CHARITY.

Their suggesting that suicidal ideation with plans is not serious, a medical emergency is the height of irresponsibility. Oprah should be called out for not discussing treatment, safety planning or even offering a hotline number to viewers. She has done all that and more in past programs. Was that before Scieno ties? Suicidal ideation is not magically fixed by cuddles and a move. To exploit something that could risk someone's life for drama and entertainment is SICK.

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Not sure it is a risk anymore or if they are there already

BROTHER GRIMM Miserable Prince Harry and persecuted Meghan Markle risk becoming sideshow freaks with increasingly outlandish claims

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Moreover, there is the law of diminishing returns.

Harry’s “cycle of pain”, which he pedals so fast he could outdistance Bradley Wiggins, has become a bore.

But Harry is the Brother Grimm. As a child, according to those who knew him, he was spoiled and overindulged by his mother, who failed to inculcate him with any sense of responsibility towards the Crown.

He grew up with no boundaries. An acquaintance of mine who holidayed with a 16 year old Harry told me he went around removing and hiding womens’ bikini tops, and playing other puerile practical jokes.

At the same time, he grew up to hold the view that there is really nothing left to live for as a Royal, and is proud of his unhappiness.

Harry enjoys being miserable, though it would be a mistake to think that because he enjoys it, he is not.

As I recall, he also accused Camilla of being a "crocodile", and insisted the House of Windsor was a “Dracula family”.

f Harry progresses further down his present path, what other claims might he make? That Prince Charles is Nosferatu, William is a werewolf, and Kate a Cat Woman, who, when the moon is full, leaves Kensington Palace in search of her prey?

Far fetched? I am not so sure, for each new claim Harry makes must necessarily be more sensational than the last.

Hollywood sophisticates are already penetrating his bunkum, and if he abandons all discretion, they will soon have no more of him.

Where reason still holds sway, he may be doomed to become a sort of sideshow freak, for, to paraphrase Hamlet, poor Harry no longer “knows a hawk from a handsaw”.

William, partly due to the steady influence of Kate, has never indulged in such Byronic Unhappiness.

Mike and Carole Middleton should be made honorary knight and dame for their vital service to the Crown.

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Yep, R476, it was expanded to 5 episodes.

The way that Megz has Harry wrapped around her finger, I would not be surprised if he goes on a huge bender and "accidentally" overdose after they get divorced.

I can't wait for the next set of whoppers to come out of Haz's mouth.

Come back and tell the rest of us, R479. I do not have Apple TV.

Did you see the one where she is about 2nd or 3rd grade and she snatches the tiara off the head of the birthday girl and puts it on her own head? I could see a preschooler doing that but this was mean girl stuff in a kid so old. Their house must be like a nest of vipers of jealousy, vengance and greed when you add in Dim's pathological jealousy of his brother and nephew. Those poor kids.

Is the Apple TV series getting much publicity in the US? Is it getting Harry sympathy with the general public?

IMHO, R482, not really and quite the opposite, respectively.

It’s probably a good if not cynical time for a series like this, after we’ve been stuck inside and going out of our minds for so long. The thing is, once we start getting out and back into our old rhythms, I’m not sure this sort of theme will have broad appeal. Personally my interests are moving toward things that are about positivity, happiness, even lighthearted fluff - for my mental health, you might say.

Agree, R484, with summer coming and the ability to get out and to socialize, I do not see the appeal of this. And I have real concerns about the discussion of suicide without any resources, even a hotline, being offered.

Apparently Apple's numbers were up by 25% in the US this weekend and 40% in the UK. This is why we're getting another round on Friday. Increased viewership doesn't necessarily mean increased support for H&M though.

Train wreck tv is entertaining but that doesn’t translate into people actually supporting said train wrecks.

R487 You just said what I was going to say. People have a propensity for being attracted to train wrecks.

Just my opinion, there’s highlighting and helping and then there’s glamorizing and fetishizing. Is all I will say.

Agree, R489 and it is just all starting to feel gross, like a shower is needed for participating.

This is just a pointless rant, but I am the only person who has grown so tired of celebrities hawking out their mental health issues for a buck? It's easy to talk about your problems when you have a boat full of cash to throw at it for therapy or other treatments while the rest of us losers have to muddle through some how.

Having a mental health problem is a tactic for celebrities to make themselves seem important and deep and meaningful, r491. This is only really for shallow celebrities though.

Thanks for your insight, Sunshine Sux R470. You’re too see-through.

R491 I know I definitely want to take mental health advice from someone who has been picking at the same scab for 25 fucking years.

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"Many people have a different view" = "Recollections may vary"

Sources say Harry informed his family of his desire to develop the multi-part documentary series on AppleTV, after discussing it not only with the Queen but also Meghan's father – before the total breakdown in the rocky relationship between the now-estranged father and daughter.

But royal insiders now claim that the way Harry pitched the show, The Me You Can't See, was 'clearly misleading' and that no-one in the senior royal circle would have agreed to what they now view as a 'personal attack on his father and the institution.'

'Those around the Queen and Prince Charles are absolutely gobsmacked by what has happened,' a source close to Buckingham Palace told DailyMail.com.

'It is a question of trust, and honestly any of that is hanging by a thread at the moment.

'No one within the Palace circles has anything but sympathy for Harry's trauma and troubled life, but there is upset and discomfort at him sharing it on an international television show.

'Certainly the intimate detail of his hardships paint a very negative picture of his family and upbringing. Many people have a different view.'

The source said that in palace circles Harry had been vocal about the importance of military veterans getting the right mental health support after returning to civilian life, but that he had not revealed what personal details he would be sharing on camera.

If I recall correctly, This Apple series was announced back in 2019 (before the Queen and others knew about Megxit). Once again, they planned to leave, lied to Harry's family, and then stabbed them in the back.

R495 I've gone from having sympathy for Harry to just utterly loathing him in a span of like 3 months! Great work! Build that brand H&M! This coming from someone who loathes the whole idea of royalty.

“It is a question of trust, and honestly any of that is hanging by a thread at the moment.” !!!! I’m surprised there would be ANY trust still hanging. Harry’s torn that to shreds. What a dick he is.

I know, someone should punch Harry in the face just for what he did to the grandfather who loved him. Only respect for the deceased restrained his relatives, I am sure. That and they did not know about the wreath merching yet.

Swatting Lies and Mental Health Entertainment: The Dangers of Branding Mental Health

Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor can't always have it every which way. Tick tock.

It really does seem like the BRF is being extorted and blackmailed.

This was the last big corp speech, I believe. An attendee said it was like listening to the maudlin drunk at the end of the bar telling everyone in earshot how everyone in his life had done him wrong.

That said, he said he had been in therapy for many years BEFORE Meghan. More lies.

He is an advertisment that THERAPY DOES NOT WORK, likely b/c he may well still be using.

This is interesting to watch for the dynamics and what is said. 2017, before the wedding.

GQ raises a different angle

What silly human beings they all are.

R491 Mental health is now used by celebs to stay relevant and in the active news cycle in gaps between projects. See Lady Gaga. Then you have the talentless influencers like Chrissy Tiegen who use mental health to blunt criticism of being Mean Girl. It worked until too many receipts caught up to her fake woke ass. Lastly, you have the talentless wannabes who deem being influencers as beneath them. Harry and Meghan belong to this group.

So it’s one pity party followed by whine festival, lather/ rinse/ repeat. People get tired of that shit, at least dumb, heinous hoes like Chrissy give us some sort of comedic value from time to time with inappropriate photos on Twitter. There’s nothing fun nor identifying with Harry and Meghan, they’re a couple of rich malcontents with emotional issues. Most people are wondering why they keep thrusting themselves in our faced. You can’t read online news without those two smug cunts telling us what/ how to feel.

At some point people are going to be sick of whiny yet preachy celebs who are on trend, as in romanticizing mental illness. Mental illness should not be trivialized. Just because you’re unhappy or sad it doesn’t mean you’re clinically depressed. Or if you feel anxious about certain events it doesn’t mean you have anxiety or panic disorder. Another example, you don’t have PTSD just because you have trouble managing anger issues. You should see a therapist to help you manage behavioral issues.

A lot of people confuse behavioral health and mental health, bit they’re not one and the same. I think Harry may have more components of behavioral health issues, with perhaps borderline personality disorder.

I’m sick of celebs and wannabe famewhores using mental health to lend deepness to their personalities and soliciting praise.

Forgot to add, Harry “privacy does not mean silence” rings self-serving and devious in use of semantics. I would also counter that bringing attention to an important issue close to your heart does not mean you should make the issue about you personally. But this is what Harry and Meghan have done, they’ve shined light not on mental health but on themselves. Mental health takes a backseat. Fuck them.

iblowwhistles 6 hours ago Oprah said in an interview last week that she’s never even been to therapy and that her friend, Gayle, is her “therapist”. How she and Harry - who admittedly couldn’t even help his own wife - have been able to appoint themselves the champion of the mental health industry is beyond me. It just proves the old adage, it’s not what you know but who you know.

I hope an even more ridiculous round of accusations come out of Harry in the next episode -this trainwreck is truly delicious to watch. Hopefully the American audience will start to see this moron for what he really is, because he's alienated everyone in the UK and Commonwealth already.

r511 In your experience in the US are the sands starting to shift? Are more people starting to wise up to them and if so how fast?

I'm not in the US - I'm in New Zealand. Over here and in Australia, these two are reviled and have been for some time.

Oprah is a clown.

Wonder if the Narkles will be cooking out over the long weekend? Watching this it is absolutely mystifying why Megs did not have a HUGE acting career.

Australian tour, apologies if it has already been posted.

Oh dear! Look who is not "too controversial" for Disney.

What’s with all the random websites and YouTube videos in the royals threads? De trop.

What is left to sell to Netflix and Spotify?

R517- Well, that just HAS to hurt. I do wonder if William might causally comment about that HUGE donation MM generously donated from the elephant voice over.... Oh, dear! That's right! It is mysteriously missing. Hmmm.

R518, are they not related to The Gruesome Twosome? If not, prob KGT most of us have it blocked.

If even half of that Australia stuff is true, that's delicious tea. Seems like Megs wasted no time in letting her true colors fly.

There is a clip of Iger saying it was paid to "Harry's charity" I believe. The elephant charity never received any money.

Even before the wedding re: todderl Princess Charlotte, R522.

So much abuse, extortion, blackmail vibe. The divorce can't come soon enough.

Burn out has several meanings

Angela Levin @angelalevin1 · 7h Harry is unrecognisable from the man he was. Tragic. Quote Tweet Robert Jobson @theroyaleditor · 8h #PrinceHarry quote from 2017: “[Our dad] was there for us — he was the one out of two left, and he tried to do his best and to make sure that we were protected and looked after. But he was going through the same grieving process as well.”

Well, with that brutal work schedule, no wonder Harry had to flee the BRF! Let's all take a moment and weep for him.

And to THINK he was only paid MILLIONS for it, R527!

Why say such DUMB and unbelievable things?

New from Lady C

Body language analysis

^An esp interesting discussion starts around 1:13 re: Harry & his perceptionons re: his responsibility for his actions

Harry quotes from Psycho-cybernetics from 1960. Unprocessed trauma produces uncontrollable, unpredictable behavior, ie, he is not responsible.

^the discussion/framing of Harry "changing families" and the Alpha role Oprah seems to take with him in body language, etc, is interesting.

More acting out re: his mother incoming? Always about $ and control with the Narkles.

^ Reading down the thread above, one wonders where that substantial sum of money is now. WIll it vanish like the money from Disney that never got to the elephants? How much went to Sunshine Sacks? Montetizing, politicizing and weaponizing his mother's death is quite distasteful, esp when he and his brother had an agreement to only speak of her to the press when both were present.

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Harry looks extremely unattractive in the PeakState vid.

He seems unhinged, not sure I would want my "mental health" brand associated with him. Lots of free PR I suppose. Lady C had a vid today that some family and friends are worried for his well being, can see that. No one would look at how he is behaving and say, THAT is GOALS of being well adjusted! Good Lord!

Maybe he can be a spokesperson for anger management classes too, cuz he epitomizes a zen, well adjusted dude who maintains relationships well. After all, long term social ties correspond with good mental health. Being alienated from family on both sides because of your actions and having cut off lifelong friends to invite strangers to your wedding is the height of good mental health! Anything they are associated with becomes a JOKE.

PeakState is linked to BetterUP

Slush funds? Shame he is even exploiting Heads Together.

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Harry looks like he's been held in a North Korean concentration camp for 15 years. Those must've been some pretty heavy drug days in his past because his mind is utterly destroyed, despite what his predatory enablers are saying to him.

So did Charles buy up all the naked Vegas pics? You know there were more than the two that were published. Probably sex vid too. Now's the time to "leak " em Daddy.

Cambs and Disney cross promo

R542, I think he is just dumb, had learning disabilities as a kid, was sheltered, then the drugs too.

I do voiceovers!!!

Their brand does not seem to be going over so well

Can anyone clarify who their target audience is and to what end? I read this and it seems plausible.

"Their target audience is people who are as damaged, vapid, and out of touch with reality as they are, and tweens."

So those people are to use the apps Haz is merching? Their message is so negative it is kinda offputting. He does not seem "better" is he really a good poster child for "therapy?"

This is interesting in hindsight, the ideas and who is pushing them now, the dynamics and the overall interpersonal vibe. When William speaks about suicide and men, Catherine looks very sad, likely thinking of her brother, James.

I find it abusive and reprehensible of them to blatantly use the threat and emotional blackmail of Diana's death replaying with Harry. He is now openly and ridiculously saying a repeat of Diana's death may happen to his much hated first wife. It seems to me he is saying he WILL FUCKING MAKE IT HAPPEN! If they do not give him everything he wants, he is unbalanced, vengeful, and will be willing to re-create her death and boy, will they ever be hated and blamed!

It IS abusive, you are quite right, R550.

I had not thought of it that way. Hmmm. "THEY will not stop until she is dead!" sounded so histrionic and mental. Who is "they?" No one cares that much about Meg. Their grandiosity and strong belief in manifesting (the Agape cult attended by Meghan, Doria and Oprah was the source of the book The Secret, written by the founder), you would think such types would be quite careful with their words, no?

Anyone else remember the story at the link?

For those not familiar with Azelea Banks, she is not into the new agey "manifesting" she goes for something a bit more overtly dark in nature.

The mash up of Azalea Banks and Harry's first wife is sheer perfection.

Bit more on the idea of manifesting. And as someone quite involved with the Agape cult, Oprah was quite deliberately manifesting.

Not sure WHAT Harry is doing or what exactly it is he wants the BRF to DO. The demands for an "apology to Meghan" seem to have quieted down but again goes to the "words are powerful" ethos of "The Secret." Of course it is not exacly Church of England in nature.

Agree, R553. At the time though, seemed oddly speciifc. Kim and Kanye splitting was an easy guess to rile people, for example. But no one cares that much about Meghan. I can't stand her but of course one hopes it does not come true. It would be much more likely to rile those who have adopted manifesting in their megaloonacy.

They seem desperate to equate MeGAIN with Diana, which is, of course, ridiculous to the extreme.

Sometimes Dim seems to cast himself in the Diana role, all quite odd and concerning.

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R550- You are right, it did not make sense until it suddenly became so clear to me that I did a 🤦. The media do not, never did, never will gaf enough about The Repulsive One to chase the bitch out of a restaurant, much less go dangerously careening down a busy road JUST to get a photo of her unattractive old ass. So is he that unhinged? That out of reality? No. Harry is her male twin in everyway. A dark triad, imo. They are both sadistic psychopaths and malignant narcs. Affluenza. Entitled, spoiled. It made no sense to us, but trf knew exactly what he was threatening to do. Except he will not hurt himself, but I bet you a polo pony he would happily sacrifice HER on the alter for his revenge and the future he is demanding of trf. Harry may be LD, but he is cunning, crafty, and manipulative. Just think of how he manipulated the UK media and public for years by whispering to reporters that HE was the Queen Mother's favourite, The Queen's favorite grandchild, the Queen Mother left Harry, and only Harry, an inheritance. Willam was jealous of him, and on and on. People underestimating Harry's ability to con and manipulate has worked out very well for him. Those things required an ability to plan and play the long game. We have said here that they will destroy each other. Most think she will be the one to leave him, destroy him, ect. I have said all along that she had better be really damn careful bc Harry will hurt her physically or be the one to dump her. I do not think he cares for her at all and never has. She has been a weapon to him, as are those children. This is Harry playing the long game again.

Very interesting comment, R559. He really did quite a bit of manipulating the RR in pubs and leaking re: his brother.

2 peas in a pod those Narkles. Nasty people.

I have not watched the Oprah show but have seen clips, if you watch w/o sound to distract, the barely supressed anger/rage is quite apparent.

This is even more curious from the DM piece vs TMZ

According to TMZ, police then visited Harry's home and spoke to someone who told him to urgently call the US Embassy - and that is how he learned of Philip's death.

But sources told MailOnline today that neither the US Embassy in London - nor the UK Embassy in Washington DC - would have made such a request to the police.

If the report from TMZ is true, it raises questions about how closely in touch Harry is with other senior members of the Royal Family following Megxit. But there has been no official statement on the claims from either embassy or Buckingham Palace.

This has from the very beginning felt as if it is a much darker threat to trf than people believe it is. The reason it felt so dangerous and frankly evil to me is bc it mirrored the amoral tactics of what we are living and witnessing in our country right now and for the past 6 years or so. We have no idea who all may be backing Harry and what damaging info they may have. We also do not know what they may be threatening to do in order to get what they want. Granted , I may be, and truly hope I am, allowing my views on the evil state of this world and the overwhelming danger I fear we are in from evil forces, but it felt the same. Ruthless and no fear of reprisal. Harry is the willing, malevolent, useful tool ? He is acting. The " hostage" persona, all of it. He has cleverly used her malignant narcissism against her, thus making the public blame and despise her. If this is true, well played for such a dimwit, huh?

Ruthless and malevolent are good words for the couple. You are likely right, R562. They are clearly not acting alone, the PR bills for only SS are well beyond their means.

Who knows what will come out of Harry's mouth tonight?

R563- I feel that this- playing the victim, the MM blame & hate- have worked so well this long that he is feeling untouchable and arrogant about it. He can no longer contain his duping delight at very inappropriate times when discussing something supposedly painful and traumatic. Notice her ass is in hiding? Even her arrogant, megalomaniacal ass must be realizing that things aren't really going as she planned. She isn't adored, she is hated. People are not accepting her as the Diana part two martyr and helpless saint she envisioned. Trf have not caved, they are ghosting her. People are not throwing rotten fruit at them, they are enraged on their behalf. But it must be very disquieting that Harry is being seen as a manipulated victim in an abusive relationship. No one is seeking her out either, it is only Harry that money people want, she is toxic. I would love to know what she is thinking right now.

I noticed the smirking too, he can hardly contain it at times when speaking to Oprah. Duper's delight > downfall for many. It is quite curious re: Rach. That said, she vanished at the end of her "pregnancy" with Merchie too.

If the implication is she's sneaking in surrogate babies, she gets too fat when she's pregnant and stays too fat afterwards to be faking it. And she's too vain to fake that fat ass, those widened hips, and the extra chins.

If you are correct, R566, she is even loonier than previously believed with the games she plays. Something that appeared to be a moonbump falling almost to her knees on this occasion, if she were truly knocked up would be a whole new degree of mental.

I have long been troubled by the discussions of suicide without even a hotline number provided to viewers. The narrative that suicidal ideation if fixed by cuddling or a move is dangerous too. This is another good point. These shows seem more destructive and harmful to viewers than helpful. Vice cloaked as virtue, well, virtue signaling anyway,

WhatTheElle Flag of MalaysiaFlag of United KingdomFlag of MoroccoFlag of ChinaFlag of Ireland @KopiWriterElle · 2m Replying to @LordHamMercury The whole messaging around the Harkles "mental health awareness" campaign is dangerous. They should be publicly called out for profiteering of social issues

Analyzing the Unreliable and Conflicting Statements of Prince Harry’s Wife Meghan Markle

Hmm. Harry has had it made milking sympathy from his mother's death. Sociopathic behavior has been overlooked and forgiven. He has had the love and support of the UK, his family. Harry, like his mother craves attention and he loves playing the victim. That is finally fading now due to his age and his behavior since marrying. If however, he were to tragically, unbelievably, lose his wife in a tragic accident as well he would feel set for life with attention and that sympathy he so craves. I seriously wonder what Harry's plan has been all along. If I were his first wife, I would be terrified of him.

Question: Why does Harry keep telling Meghan's suicide story. For a so-called feminist, she is sure letting her husband speak for her a lot. I think she's setting him up to look like a loon.

Also I think Harry was high or drunk which is why he missed the call.

And the police have been to Meghan and Harry's place numerous times. They claim for "false alarms" but I believe they are likely for domestics.

R572 I believe she wants people to see his anger, so if she does decide to leave him she can say that's what destroyed the relationship.

It is almost Gothic, isn't it? MM is plotting his ruin and he is plotting hers, unbeknownst to her. It would be almost evilly hilarious if it wasn't potentially fatal to one or the other. The innocent children involved also make this tragic. Someone should write a play about this. " The Duping Duke and Duchess, a tragicomedy. "

His talk of raising his child alone also seemed oddly specific, R571. After all, if she offed herself while preggo, the child would have likely been killed too. How do these sick people talk of these things and attempt to make a living off of them? Haz could be the master manipulator Scar figure in all of this it is true.

Excellent idea, R574. It really does have a lot of twists and turns. But for the kids it would be quite entertaining, that and the elder abuse is sad too.

The fact that Harry says this with a straight face, “What am I going to do? I’m going to go and help my neighbour and I’m going to come back and then put my feet up and have a really good day. Yeah.”

Like everyone has the fucking luxury of doing good deed each day then go fuck around enjoying rest of the day doing nothing. No work, no stress of meeting work demands or thinking about paying bills. Fucking cunt has zero clue what regular people without daddy’s money and dead mommy’s inheritance have to do to survive, with or without mental health concerns.

That utterances should be publicized on SM for all to see the outrageous privilege that Harry has and is totally ignorant of at the same time. He’s out there speaking of his own experiences as if they’re universal and applicable to people, but it just comes across as patronizing at this point.

Who knows what might come out of his mouth in the town hall. Shudder to think. I do not have Apple TV. Is is live streamed? What time will it be released. Hopefully one of you can come back and report on it.

Whatever he says, I am sure it will be unintentionally hilarious.

Lots of folks are making money making fun of him.

Someone with photo shopping skills needs to put a bright red clown nose on pictures of H M O and Gayle.

I would buy it on a t shirt or coffee mug, R581.

Maybe Harry has been a good student for once and has mastered the manifestation lessons. The only way any if it makes sense is if one or both are planning to recreate Diana's accident, or something similar. The public turned on trf when she died. It was serious. They turned on the Queen for the first time in history. (QEll) Is this what they are trying to do? I seriously think Harry may have another motive, unknown to his first wife. Attention, sympathy, revenge on trf who refused to pay for security and the media he has been accusing of harassing his first wife. Do we think Harry is evil or dark enough to plot for an accident or worse for MM ?

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Once again, they glom in to an issue well past its initial conceptualization and discussion. Its hilarious how late to every party they are. Quackery at its finest. These opportunists without medical degrees in psychiatry or even a psychology degree, or having even studied criminology need to step back and let the professionals do their work. And I know, they see themselves as celebrities that can use their fame to 'shed light' on issues, but when you're telling teens to take a pass on professional help then your not doing anyone any justice except to feed your own desire for air-time. There will always be disconnects in the world of medicine and mental health, and thats when the opportunists will quickly swoop in with dubious solutions to enrich themselves. Quacks.

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He's a bloody disgrace to his country, his military colleagues etc.. he is placing celebrity culture above his duty to the realm. What a disappointment.

I have wondered about this, not at all uncommon for children to feel angry at the parent who "left them" and things were tense with the boys b/c of her taking them on the Fayed yacht (where 12 year old Harry first began drinking to cope, by his own account) and she had not seen them for 6 weeks in the summer due to cavorting with Fayed. Had to be a lot of mixed feelings.

The Toadours Sunflower @TheToadours · 2h Pondering Toad Harry’s anger is misplaced, until he realizes it’s his mother he is angry with he will never heal. He can thank His wife for perpetuating the myth it’s everyone else.

I love royal family gossip. This thread is getting a teense histrionic though.

Harry does not know enough about the complex issue of first responders, criminality, and severe mental illness. Specifically, the interface between all parties that factor into whether or not law enforcement is required in myriad of scenarios. As someone who has worked in the jail psych system (briefly) diagnosing and treating seriously mentally ill criminals, I don’t even dare to put out blanket statements wading into subject as complex as this.

While I agree not every mental health crisis deserves LEOs to respond, there is a drawback to not involving LEOs. Fact is, the criminally insane with violent ideations may slip under the radar of law enforcement tracking. Then when the insane person goes beyond threatening to actually committing violence or endangering others, it would be seemingly out of the blue to LEOs. There needs to be foolproof linking, tracking system. Then there’s another can of worms with mental health advocates being against criminalizing mental illness. But there is a line between criminalizing it and protecting the public. Like I say, it is not an issue to be summed up in a simple, feel-good sentence like what dimwit Harry has done.

Who the fuck does he or Oprah think they are? Passing off personal experiences as universally applicable and now bloviating as “experts”? Fuck, these two make me angry every time they play mental health experts.

r562 But my sense is that the public are increasingly now blaming both of them and that Harrys reputation and role in this saga in particular has taken a revaluation and is now in serious decline?

Part 4 link as will be needed rather soon!

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'Please keep Prince Harry, America, as you can cope with his non-stop whining'

R595-- You guys so owe us for this one, lol.

Ok, ok. I think I have a very fair solution that will be bearable (barely) for all of us. The UK takes one of them for 6 months at a time while we keep one here, then switch them out every 6 months, but never allow them both to be in either country at a time. Soon when no one else is looking, we silently ship them to Russia. They will like it there as they already have ties to Russian oligarchs.

This popular youtuber who comments on the Harry Meghan saga is convinced that Meghan is planning to blackmail the royal family over something at a strategic time .

It has felt like that all along, R598.

r598 I meant to post the above in part four.Made a mistake. I have now posted it in there too if people want to comment as this thread really is close to the 600 limit!!

r599 In a way yes but it is as if she has been privately informed of something going on in the background because she seems more certain on it and has stronger feelings it seems than previously on the topic.She is friendly with Lady Colin Campbell.Perhaps she has been tipped of about an element of the information about what is going on in the background?

Even I as someone with no sources or inside info am starting to discern or feel that something quite significant is now starting to happen in the background that the public are totally unaware of?