Harry finally gone native in California Part Two

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OP of the first thread here...thanks ! Delighted I started a thread that will run for a bit!

You are most welcome! r2 Cheers for starting the initial thread your great choice of title has propelled it on! A year from now I wonder what California life will be like for them when the novelty of a new area has started to lessen for Harry and indeed novelty and interest with them in hollywood has reduced.

He isn’t a Native.

Harry is a whiny brat like his mum.

r5 Lady C is spot on in the point she makes that Harrys predicament of being in a job he didnt like is no different to the predicament most people are in.He is far too self absorbed and tanked up on entitlement.His trips to Africa etc seem to have taught him nothing and definitely not an appreciation of the many blessings he does have.

Curios to see if there really is a connection to Scientology. The full Cali experience?

If they are actively trying to bring down the BRF, what would their endgame be? HIS title is the only thing that makes people pay attention to them. Could they really be that venal and shortsighted?

I think they envisioned a kind of new monarchy for themselves, where they “change the world.” Delusions o’ grandja.

They seemed to want a rival court that would be more popular than William and Catherine.

What I can’t believe is that he seems to have abandoned Sentebale, the charity in Lesotho, that he vowed to work on forever. That makes me very sad, because the children of Lesotho were often orphans and need all the help they can get.

Bit more on the possible Scieno angle. Curious if the Apple shows will be anti-medication.

Tom Cruise connection? Grain of salt but something to keep an eye on

Markle a target?

TM did seem protective

She has previously gone from a Catholic school girlhood to converting to Judiaism for Trevor to converting to CoE for Harry.

I doubt he ever cared about any of that, R11, it was all part of his PR. It is sad on many levels. He did not even seem to care about members of his own family, like Philip or even Catherine or how his actions impacted them. I think his friend he was so close to is still involved but of course Harry's involvement is a big spotlight.

Harry loved having the professinonally hyped crowd cheer for him at Vax Live. That is who and what he is. An empty, angry shell who feels his self absorption will transform the world. And in return we must all cheer and never criticize.

There seems to be a bit of a drumbeat building. I think Apple may make Orca and Dax seem tame, hope to be wrong.

A sub for all thing Suckses and hypocrisy

So manipulative with the timing of their press machinations

88:20: After Harry has left, Dax and his co-host Monica say that they were told to release the podcast later than normal so that the UK tabloids won’t be able to publish facts from the podcast as quickly Harry’s people told Dax’s people that they should hold off on posting the interview until a time at which the American press could write (presumably more positive) stories about the interview, to contrast with the negative stories that would inevitably be published by the UK press. This is FASCINATING. It is cold, hard proof that Harry and Meghan and their office are timing stories and projects and information releases to benefit themselves and their image. I mean, anyone who’s been paying attention knew that they do this; but for actual proof that they’re telling people they’re working with to do it? And that they presumably have rules or some sort of process around it? FASCINATING.

Dax and Monica also shared that the press person who helped set up the interview was Toya Holness, who is listed on Linkedin as a Global Press Secretary at Archewell. I wonder which section of Archewell she was working under in that capacity – nonprofit or for-profit? Or is there even a distinction? Again! Fascinating!

r14 Would she really go into scientology given their attitude to homosexuality? Isnt she supposed to have close gay friends like the Soho house guy?

SA, she has the balls to grift the British monarchy. Why would she draw the line at Scientology? Mrs. Tom Cruise may be the perfect next port of call.

I could see it.

R16 Markle never converted to Judaism. She married a secular Jew.

Thanks for the clarification, R24.

People in Oz seem to be souring on the Harkles at a fast clip, was the visit not such a rock star experience from their prespective?

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I pretty much agree with the consensus view here as to how the RF is handling this.

EXCEPT: I don't see how delivering Jason's head on platter to MM fits in with that narrative. Why did they sacrifice him?

The Scientology and Saudis bringing down rhe BRF theories are brought to you by mentally ill conspiracists on sm.

Why would the Saudis want to bring down the BRF? They are extremely happy to and willing to lick any BRF members’ ass

Don't ask me. The weak minded get titillated by stupidity.

It’s too bad the Sussex duo waited until Prince Philip was pretty much out of the royal picture and declining at Wood Farm before they started trashing the royal family. Harry would never have dared his personal grievance tour and if he had, Philip would have given him a blistering telling off and then done what needed to be done to either bring them in line or remove them entirely.

Charles complained for decades about how horrible his childhood was

Harry was raised a lot like his father was. He was shipped off to school, age 8 and barely saw his parents

Harry didn't say anything on that podcast that Charles hasn't said over the years

I also remember Charles wanting nothing to do with the boys (he was too busy w camilla). It got to the point where the papers had a running tally on the front page about how many days Charles hadn't seen the boys. Too busy with his mistress

Even People magazine had a cover story about Charles ignoring his sons for months

Going back on Harry’s infamous “genetic pain” nonsense. He’s dumb as an anesthetized gnat. Do my theory is that Meghan told him or he meant to say generational pain, but being as dumb as an anesthetized gnat, he said genetic pain instead. He really should spend more time memorizing his script if he wants to sound semi-intelligent. Or maybe Meghan should just write scripts that don’t have 3-syllable words of scientific nature because they fuck up Harry’s brain which brain cell capacity already full.

This video from the Danja Zone is a hoot. Like Stefon from SNL says, "This video has everything: Meghan Markle, Chrissy Teigan, Katherine McPhee, Courtney Stoddard, Church of Scientology and Scientology, which Harry did not want to join at first, but Markle is in it knee-deep.

Did you see the digital blackface twitter followers caught out on Royal twitter accounts. The accounts are all anti Meghan and all in digital blackface. They are talking about it on twitter. All new followers of BRF official Twitter accounts. It's dodgy as hell. And racist. Hope it wasn't a Royal pr person who came up with this idea. They are flagging the suspicious accounts.

Also Dlisted regulars are complaining about racist Brf supporter comments. They are thinking of abandoning the site. Too many racist Brf supporters. It's backfiring on the Brf.

"Have you ever heard a bigger load of rubbish in your life?! ". LMAO

Dlisted is a bunch of Meghan and Harry lovers. Any criticism of her is racist and misogynist.

R16 Meghan never converted to Judaism. They had one of those sorta kinda weddings with a nod to his faith, but that's all.

I find it hard to believe Meghan is into Scientology. She probably likes the idea of being at the top of the heap, but I don’t know. Maybe they recruited her to be seen as more charitable globally.

I have often said that they are trying to get more black folks to join. Their newly constructed giant “church” in Harlem has a cross on its facade, and a community center. (The little “centre” on the Upper East Side is in a discreet little brick townhouse on a chichi side street off Madison Avenue and is marketed more like a psychology consultation.) it’s interesting to see how they market to different demographics.

Oprah seemed to be courting them (or vice versa) for a while there, but I thought the interest had waned. I figure they wanted access to her influence and cash. They were after the Beckhams for a while, too.

T27 The BRF didn't sacrifice Knauf. They've known for awhile he'd be following his husband out. And he can still be interviewed by the firm foung the Bullying Investigation.

^*R27

I would guess that Meghan's endgame is more wealth and attention. I don't think Harry has a thought-out endgame -- he just wants to be free of the restrictions that come with being a member of the British royal family. However, I suspect there will come a point in the future when their goals will be incompatible. In the meantime, it's sad to watch them floundering as they try to achieve Meghan's goals. Harry's still a little too high up in the line of succession and a member of the Council of State, as well as the regent for an underaged King George; I wonder if Charles will make a move on those points.

R43 - You cannot serve as a Councillor of State if you reside outside Britain more than half the year, 187 days. So Harry has already forfeited that.

Harry has made a huge mistake. Look on his side I have to say to everyone who says “ but I lost a parent and I coped” this is true but did you lose a parent who was one of the most famous women in the world, who half the world was saying was insane and many others thought was a slut and openly say it when she was killed?

Then for years after everyone was obsessed that she had been killed on the orders of Harry’s grandparents. Then when that wasn’t being discussed it was openly being discussed if you were really the child of your father or if you were in fact a screw of your mother’s.?

Then to top it all off you have to walk behind your mother’s coffin in front of the whole world and over 1 million people in the crowd? That is going to fuck you up. Then to watch your father marry his mistress.

That is on the one hand. On the other he self sabotaged himself by not just blaming his family and the media, but by default the entire British public by saying Meghan was treatment was racist and the huge wedding was a fiction , because it had already occurred before. You now have your own country against you. I mean that is one fucking self destructive shitstorm.

I remember that R32, Charles' PR that he was a doting father so different than his own has made a lot of headway it seems. Charles was not all THAT different from Philip as a father (although Philip seemed to do better as a grandfather) and Haz may do worse, time will tell. He did a shit job choosing an unstable narc for their mother and opting for complete isolation from all extended family. Running his mouth all the time is not "saving the world" it is a crass attempt to make money by trashing his family. If H wanted to be a better father he would be getting intensive counseling in rehab.

Harry takes after the worst of both parents, R45. Diana's drama and acting out via the media and Charles' self pity and whinging.

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The problem, R32, was that the spectacle of Charles going on about his awful childhood was embarrassing, just as Harry complaining about "genetic pain" is embarrassing. They are grown men who've led lives of enormous privilege. Neither one seems to have any ability to understand how selfish and shallow they sound.

MummyBear, Dundee, United Kingdom, 3 hours ago

I actually think of it on a different slant, I think Harry and Meghan are trying to push, through inappropriate behaviour for their titles to be removed, then as the article says they revert to simple Prince Harry of Wales and Princess Harry of Wales....what more of an attraction could there be than for Meghan to have the prize of being a Princess of Wales and thus forever linked to Diana....a title Kate does not freely use......and to be able to moan forever that they were cast from the family through no fault of their own...they need to abolish all their titles because the British public do not want them to have them, full stop!

Good catch, R33. Also, it's such a loaded phrase, can only speculate it came from Meghan or Oprah.

Are their deals all producing behind the camera? I get the feeling that won’t last, they want to be front and center. One of the most cringe displays ever was Harry asking the head of Disney to give Meghan and job. I think something similar happened with Jay Z. As much as people want to blame it all on MM, Harry is a grown man. He seems like an active participant. She’s way smarter and shrewder than he is though.

Once the us vs. them fades away, so will this marriage. Can’t imagine anyone will care 10 years from now about Meghan and how the Royals mistreated for her for the one year she was part of their family. That’s why they should be cut off, talking to them will just give them more material. Charles seems like a dumbass, but William appears a lot less forgiving. Harry is going to be screwed. One thing I was surprised about was after PP died how many young people were out mourning. No way are H&M going to win that battle. It’s crazy that they are actively trying to destroy what literally and figuratively feeds them.

Sidenote: is Wales their official last name? Like what will they put on the new kids birth certificate?

The "activism" they do is meaningless

Harry’s podcast broadside against Charles disappoints Palace figures

Valentine Low Saturday May 15 2021, 12.01am BST, The Times

Buckingham Palace insiders have expressed their disappointment that the Duke of Sussex’s broadside against his father overshadowed a day of engagements by the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.

William and Catherine’s visit to Wolverhampton was a significant outing in which they carried out a succession of engagements to highlight Mental Health Awareness Week.

Media coverage was reduced, however, after news broke of Prince Harry’s podcast interview in which he appeared to suggest that his father and the Queen had failed as parents. A royal source said: “It was such a lovely day for the Cambridges. It is a shame that it got usurped by what Harry had to say.

“Nobody is shocked any more. It is more: ‘Here we go again.’ But he should be told that these grievances should be aired in the privacy of your own home. Don’t do it publicly in a podcast. Get on with your life.”

It is not the first time there have been diary clashes. A month before they left the country last year, William and Catherine’s visit to Galway coincided with one of Harry and Meghan’s last official engagements at a London awards ceremony. It was described as “unfortunate”.

Charles is understood to feel bewildered that he has been criticised again by Harry, who told Oprah Winfrey that his father had cut him off financially and refused to take his calls. Harry told Winfrey that he was “disappointed” in Charles, whom he described as “trapped” in his role.

Although members of the family are sympathetic to what Harry has gone through, they feel that his latest remarks amount to a betrayal, it is understood. They appreciate that he has issues that need to be dealt with, but cannot understand why he feels it is acceptable to discuss so much private history in public.

In the podcast, Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard and Monica Padman, the duke said that he wanted to “break the cycle” of “genetic pain and suffering” for the sake of his own children. Tracing his unhappiness back to his upbringing and that of his father, he said: “He’s treated me the way he was treated, so how can I change that for my own kids?” He added: “There is no blame. I don’t think we should be pointing the finger or blaming anybody, but certainly when it comes to parenting, if I’ve experienced some form of pain or suffering because of the pain or suffering that perhaps my father or my parents had suffered, I’m going to make sure I break that cycle so that I don’t pass it on.”

He also said that when he was in his early twenties he wanted to quit his royal life, describing it as a cross between living in a zoo and The Truman Show, a film in which a man lives in a reality TV programme.

The Prince of Wales tried to ignore his younger son’s attack on his parenting skills. During a visit to BCB International, a Cardiff company that makes equipment for the armed forces, he sidestepped a BBC reporter’s question about Harry. During the visit Charles was given an insight into a close family. He was welcomed by Andrew Howell, the managing director, whose wife and three daughters hold senior positions in the company. “You don’t often get all three,” the prince said. He asked the daughters: “Does he pay you?” Gabriella, 26, replied: “In hugs and kisses.”

Wales was the surname on military uniforms of William and Harry. The other possible surname is Mountbatten Windsor. I have no idea which means what. Although maybe when Charles, currently P of Wales, is king, Harry would not be a Wales anymore?

All of this – micro, macro – amounts to one thing: Fuck you, pay me!

Exactly, R56

Prince Harry happy with reception of both explosive royal interviews 'Gone down very well'​

This “pity us” tour has a short shelf life. I wonder what else they have up their sleeves when “boo-hoo, my childhood was bad” gets stale and doesn’t give then any attention anymore.

I suspect the reality tv show, R58.

Why must comments from the Daily Mail be inflicted on us? If you like the DM comments section, by all means live your life there, but don't involve us in it please.

I see a Dr. Phil series first, r59.

True, R60. Also the ludicrous stories that Harry and Meghan have other kids out there or she’s currently planning to divorce him really discredits these threads.

Also re the titles, even if they are induced to give them up, people will still refer to them as Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan. She’s called that now even though her correct title is Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Additionally there would be a backlash against the BRF “forcing” this while Andrew keeps his. I wonder what Charles has in store for Andrew...

Fuck off, R62. This is a GOSSIP SITE.

The rumor that Samantha raised Meghan's child had been out there for a long time. Who knows if it is true?

This all sounds logical. But I'm just kind of left wondering if Charles wants to preside over the 'dismantling" of certain elements of the BRF (Andrew, Haz) while his mother is alive. She just buried her husband, Still grieving or just starting to properly grieve. And now.....this?

The problem is time is not on their side either for the BRF They could try to stretch it out / endure more or most of the Markle criticisms, but they just seem to be escalating in terms of vitriol.

Keeping quiet? Doesn't seem to be effective as Harry just turns it up a notch.

Tough times indeed for the Queen.

R63 - Everyone can agree that Andrew is a creep but there is a big difference between him and the Sussex Pair: he's not out there slagging off the Queen and his family for his woes. Since the disastrous interview about Epstein, he's kept a low profile and his mouth shut.

Well, you're right r67 if you're not counting Andrew's spitting nails over need to wear his military garb at PP's funeral.

And Andrew hoping to get out of the dog house using his father's death as a pretext to begin speaking with the press.

Prince of Wales is the title of the heir apparent. Harry will never get near that title.

All the Cambs flying together in a helicopter on the weekends, who knows, R70? Haz needs to be removed from the line of succession for his treasonous behavior. In many countries he would be under house arrest.

OT - Just reflecting on how delicious next few seasons of The Crown will be:

- Treachery

- Royal Deaths

- Mental Instability

- Divorces

- It's endless.....

R64, you fuck off. There is gossip and then there is conspiracy theory level delusion. When citation is from sources like entertainme then you know there is fishing for the most outlandish stories to post. I’m not fans of these two, but it makes some posters here seem like nut jobs. It makes more rational people not want to post.

So many are making loads of money off H&M

WTF R67 Andrew and his wretched wife's financial and moral crimes are exponentially worse than the whiny Markles. Andrew doesn't get points for keeping quiet.

Bringing up Andrew doesn't make the Harkles' campaign of malicious lies any less loathsome.

Andrew and Fergie have been huge problems and caused massive headaches for the BRF and their staff for decades. The difference between Andrew and Harry is that Andrew generally does what he's told when directed, even if he doesn't want to do it and whines about it privately. He's stepped down and back since the disastrous BBC interview and stayed out of the way. You don't see Haz being so accommodating.

Once TQ passes you will likely never see Andrew in public again. Charles and William will deal with him much more harshly than TQ has. He's her favorite so that's granted him some cushioning. No such comfort will be given once she's gone.

It is a Sunshine Sucks tactic, R77.

Some good points here.

Love this from the Spectator article:

‘Why do you lot hate Harry and Meghan so much?’ It’s a question the formerly royal couple’s supporters often ask whenever the pair trend on Twitter, as a clip of the Sussexes’ latest pronouncement, or news of their latest corporate deal, goes viral.

They think they already know the answer of course: it is sexism, racism or probably both. Meghan is a woman of colour who dares to speak out about equality and this infuriates gammons and ‘anti-woke’ commentators alike.

But the answer is actually very simple, and has nothing to do with Meghan’s skin colour or sex. Harry and Meghan are profoundly annoying. They are virtue-signalling made flesh. They are poster children for a strange new kind of ‘activism’ that manages to be cringey, preachy, narcissistic, faintly ridiculous and incredibly remunerative at the same time. And that really gets people’s backs up.

I will add that it rarely seems to offer much concrete assistance to those preached about, R79. Loathesome, odious pair.

Hary has never been normal, since before his parents split and before his mother died, he was prone to rages and emotional dysregulation. This was noted by Diana to one of her treating psychiatrists and Lady C has commented that friends who had children the same age as H did not like attending children's parties with him. We have seen him be cruel to animals, in public, and exhibit great cruelty toward his very elderly grandparents, who appeared to love him. I pity his children.

[Quote]People who truly understand depression, anxiety and many other mental health issues are stuck.

^^ wTF? From Jessica Mulroney's tweet. She sounds as dumb as MM but I do look forward to all out war between the two.

R79 That last part is perfectly expressed.

We all become our parents.

R82... don't think there will be war. She's sucking up.

Not wanted here, not wanted there, well done, Judas Prince!

Lamictal 100 mg bid

What, R87? Lamictal causes anger in many, Haz has been a rager since he was a tot.

What is up with her nose? It is completely lop sided. What would cause that?

Harry and Meghan are foolishly doing what they always do: ignoring the overreach bell.

Their victimhood narrative has spiraled down into emotional revenge porn. They get a burst of shock and awe, and very quickly the backlash sets in. And each time they up the ante, as Harry just did by attacking the Queen, his father, and recently dead grandfather, the backlash comes sooner and harder.

The Queen's strategy of not responding is brilliant. Her and the family's silence is achieving the opposite of H&M's goal: it's making the BRF look like the victims of the Suusexes' relentless persecution.

The recent bit about the titles from Palace aides is part of an increasing pressure on Harry to give them up. After all, having said California is his spiritual home, and castigating the institution that gave him the titles, keeping them is making the Sussexes look uglier with each public vomiting of their bile.

It's a far better strategy than taking the titles and feeding the victim narrative the two are clinging to.

The government will NEVER get involved with the title issue. It has already gotten petitions on that and punted back to BP, stating that that is a matter for the Queen. The only issue on which the government must rule is a change in the order of succession.

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R89- Years of cocaine abuse.

Wouldn't it also take an Act of Parliament to remove Harry from the role of Regent if Prince George were to inherit the crown as a minor?

PageSix is Meghan's camp no? They got the unpixilated photo of the kid.

R94 Did you just fall off the turnip truck? PageSix is a mouthpiece for Rupert Murdoch.

Oops. It's starting to trend on twitter. People are outing allegedly bought bot accounts on the Kensington Royal website. Indian and Pakistani based. What's made people angry is some are in digital blackface. The comments are being compared. Generic. Anti Meghan. Pro Kate. How embarrassing. It's being passed around all the gossip site, twitter and even media. All alleged but they are tweeting the evidence online.

Someone has just suggested that Surviving Angel is a pr troll. Either employed by the Brf or the media to push anti Meghan hate. After reviewing his comments and threads he has started I agree with them. His links are all from one media group.

PageSix is where the fake story about the Middletons going to the funeral was printed. William is known to put forth stories to identify leakers.

It is against the law in CA for the photo to be taken/published and printed without pixilation unless there is parental consent.

Both of those things suggest PageSix could be a place Sunshine Sucks or MeGain have connections to place stories and photos.

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Parents are always to blame, Prince Harry. Your children will discover that too​

The royal believes counselling is healing him, but sometimes therapy can do more harm than good​ Matthew Syed

Sunday May 16 2021, 12.01am, The Sunday Times

Not long ago a researcher from Germany hunted down all the explanations that had been given for the fall of Rome. He found more than 200, from inflation to cooking with lead pots (one historian thought elites had poisoned themselves). The point was not to show that history is bunk but to show that it is interpretative. You can, with a bit of imagination, conjure up almost any narrative you like.

When it comes to our own personal histories, the narratives we piece together as explanations for our own lives, I wonder if the tendency for selective interpretation is even stronger. At an unconscious level I guess most of us edit out our failures and amplify our triumphs. We want to be the stars of our own shows, the heroes of our own autobiographies and, to an extent, this is probably healthy. As with nation states, a little mythology goes a long way.

But a dogma has come to infect the way that millions construct their life histories that is both fascinating and dangerous. I have noticed it more and more as I have grown older and, interestingly, the more time I have spent among the upper middle classes. The narrative is easy to summarise: anything that has gone wrong in your life, anything that causes you angst, blame the parents.

As with any interpretive history, this one is easy to corroborate. After all, even those with the most brilliant parents can find instances when they have behaved cruelly, irresponsibly or both. The time they favoured your brother, or sister, or dog; the time they had a blazing row, leaving you in tears; the time they left you in the supermarket. Yep: those happened to me, too. And it is not difficult to see how this interpretation has become so prevalent — the rise of commercial counselling, a multibillion-dollar industry with particular prominence on the American West Coast. For this methodology has long zeroed in on parent-blaming as a route to personal nirvana, not least because it is so lucrative. After all, what better way to encourage clients to keep coming back for consultations than to collude in the pretence that their problems have nothing to do with them but are down to Mum and Dad?

As Professor Nassir Ghaemi of Tufts University put it: “The majority of psychotherapists follow a line of investigation rooted in a century of Freudian influence. What was your childhood like? What was your relationship with your parents? The parents will be found to be absent, or overinvolved; cold, or smothering; too permissive, or helicopter pilots . . . They’re easy targets.” This is the context in which we should view the appearance by Prince Harry on the podcast Armchair Expert. Harry started having counselling on the advice of Meghan, who could apparently see his pain. “She could tell that I was hurting,” he said. Over the course of 60 minutes, Harry reinterpreted his “journey”, implicating his parents for his suffering and much else besides. He talked of “genetic pain”, of “cycles of suffering”, of “unresolved anger” and said: “Once I started doing therapy it was like the bubble was burst.”

Now, I would normally feel uneasy writing about someone’s private life, but in this case I feel little compunction. This is partly because Harry has forged a career from monetising the intimate details of his life, but even more so because his interview sits at the nub of a wider story. For Harry’s sentiments have become commonplace among those who can afford counselling: patients taught to reinterpret their childhoods and finding new strands of parent-induced trauma. For some this is doubtless helpful and, in a certain sense, accurate. But for those brought up by parents doing their best in difficult circumstances (in other words, most of us) it is, I think, pernicious.

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One study of 30,000 participants from 72 countries found that criticising parents, far from helping people to deal with their problems, tended to make them significantly worse. As two researchers from Sussex University put it: “Blaming parents can be more dangerous for mental health than the past experiences themselves.”

And it is not difficult to see why. When we are encouraged to displace all our problems on to loved ones, it undermines any capacity for self-awareness. Just listen to Harry’s interview, in which he talks — apparently without irony — of not wishing to “blame” his parents while impugning them; of the trauma of being on public view while promoting his television series; of the awfulness of royal life while exploiting that connection. Only someone in West Coast therapy could display this level of narcissism.

But the more urgent danger is that this kind of counselling risks fracturing the family itself, loved ones becoming collateral damage in the quest for utopia. In what other context could someone claim to have been healed when surrounded by the wreckage of so many vital relationships? Harry isn’t talking to his father, has fallen out with his brother and has publicly criticised his 95-year-old grandmother, still grieving for her husband. This isn’t enlightenment; it’s madness.

Another revealing part of the podcast was when Harry talked of how he and Meghan are going to break the cycle with their own children. This is another classic aspect of modern counselling: “enlightened” mums and dads convinced that their own kids are going to grow up “whole” and eternally grateful. The tragedy, of course, is that Harry and Meghan will probably find themselves on the receiving end of the same payback, their kids blaming them in turn — for isn’t this the more conspicuous “cycle” in western culture?

I do not wish to tarnish all counselling, for there are many evidence-based treatments and practitioners. But the overall influence has been hugely damaging. Any treatment worthy of the name should be about building empathy between family members, not undermining it; helping people to see problems as part of the human condition rather than attributable to those who love them.

Harry may have inadvertently performed a public service in exposing the risks of commercialised treatment. For the narratives that expensive practitioners tell patients to help them feel good about themselves are often the most divorced from reality. This, at least, might offer a crumb of comfort to Prince Charles and the Queen, reportedly smarting from the latest assault by someone they will never stop loving.

Once “TQ” passes what, R77?

A kidney stone? Wind? A slow car hogging the overtaking lane?

The Queen will die, as will you, me and all of us.

Death - it comes to us all. Don’t be so squeamish.

Is it really so difficult to believe that people don’t like them?

Even people like me, who used to, have the capacity to get sick of their stunts.

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There is a lot of mental illness, greed and indolence in his mother's family too.

I think Surviving Angel is a Russian troll. They are in here whipping up all kinds of controversy and hate. They post anything to get people angry. They were behind Brexit and see what damage that did. The BRF PR people would never attack them. They are under strict rules and the Queen would never allow it. The Russian trolls spend all day inflaming the public. There are several hundred of them and there are assigned to specific forums like this one.

Talk about trolling, R106!

I doubt Surviving Angel is a PR shill. It’s a ridiculous assertion.

Macleans did a piece on Meghan's hired online army, R106. You'll never guess the links they found.

Wait, why would Meghan-paid trolls come here and say bad things about her? I’m confused.

You know there are lots of regular people who discuss this and don’t care for her. And some who do. It’s not a grand conspiracy.

Whenever there’s a bitchy woman story, people attack her and people defend her.

Sunshine Sucks/KG troll goes after that poster by name. They are as nasty as their employers and have so mishandled the account that the Harkles' image is ever more negative. Whatever rep SS once had they clearly are both divisive and ineffective.

Meghan's PR is always trying to quash discussion. Seems that any PR is good PR, people are getting tired of her and soon will be uninterested, they should welcome the ardor of those who started the tendril threads.

During summer is the water off of Montecito the same temp as Fire Island?

There is speculation that Dimwit malcontent Harry misspoke on douchebag Dax Shepard's podcast when Harry referred to his discontent on the way he was brought up as "genetic pain and suffering" and that he was going to break the cycle with his own kids.

There is thought that Harry meant to say "generational pain and suffering." Instead, Harry mistakenly said "genetic," and of course he's not going back down and say that he didn't follow mommy Markle's specific script as she wrote it.

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Did H&M get a covid loan/payment? Does anyone understand this?

Sorry, bad link. Trying again.

I can't do it. It is on page 8275. I am going to be livid if they received money meant for small businesses.

R114 Haha, if true, imagine Meg wincing when she heard him misspeak: "Gasp! What the fuck? Ugh. I TOLD him! Tsk. Oh well, close enough."

I put the copy of that loan on blast. I have retweeted it every half hour and others are doing the same. This is what the already wealthy do. They need to be taken down. This truly angers me.

Harry says it's "genetic pain and suffering." Markle says, "I told you it's 'generational pain and suffering' you dimwit!"

Markle: "Tomato." Harry: "Tomahto."

Let's call the whole thing off.

He meant genital pain. He misses his balls.

[quote]Let's call the whole thing off.

If only.

God only knows what terrible secrets Markle now knows. The failure to crush her may be down to being afraid of what she will do when she has nothing to lose.

R106 is the conspiracy troll who's always going on and on about 'pack bullying' of a strong black woman and how it's being investigated by the CIA and Interpol and MI-6 and everybody, and ANY DAY NOW the haters will be brought to justice for daring to speak a word against St. Meghan.

The posts all follow the same script using different words. This troll also calls out named posters who regularly criticize the Sussexes, as SurvivingAngel does.

Just to hark back to why Andrew has pretty much kept quiet: he's desperate to see his two daughters treated as full royals playing an active role in the family. Whatever mistakes he's made before, he doesn't want to jeopardize that now. Plus he's much closer to the Queen than Harry.

Holy shit, watching their marriage is like a super slow moving train wreck. I get the feeling about Alec Baldwin and his crazy wife

R127, me too. Although Hilary has hung in there admirably. I thought that she’d have run for the hills already, flinging accusations of domestic violence. She doesn’t seem to have the ambition for global recognition that Markle has. She just wants to be seen as Spanish and spend Alec’s money.

Meghan wants MUCH more.

[quote]Wouldn't it also take an Act of Parliament to remove Harry from the role of Regent if Prince George were to inherit the crown as a minor?

Yes it would but it wouldn't be as difficult as it seems. The Regency Act was easily amended by Parliament in the early 1950s to make Philip the Regent over Princess Margaret, at the Queen's request. He was thought to be more suitable than the Queen's much younger sister.

It's easy to see a change again made to make Kate, or possibly Anne or Edward, the potential Regent for an underage Prince George.

I read Kanye got a LOT of PPP money too.

Archwell sounds like a shoe brand.

I would welcome such an amendment. After Harry, the next eligible person to serve as Regent is Andrew. Let's get Kate on the list, and Edward and Anne bumped up. Get to work, Parliament!

Archwell is a brand of cheap cookies.

That's Archway cookies r133, and fie on you if you dislike. Their molasses cookies and frosted lemon bars were real treats.

Archie sounds like it would be the name of a poor, backwoods redneck. From Kentucky. Special needs child. 🎶🎶In the getto, and his momma cried. 🎶🎶

Thank you very much r108 I appreciate your comment.

r119 I think Harrys dumb and inflammatory comment about the first amendment would have annoyed her the most.

Harry is a lot like his mother and not in a good way.

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Generational trauma and mental illness, Harry is repeating it for his children - narcissism and instability - and adding in isolation and estrangement.

R137 Doubt it. Just another pesky tradition and foundational principle. They’re about “change.” Why hide it?

Will Harry go to the 1st of July unveiling of the statue of Diana? Markle won't be there since she'll be a mother in more ways than one at that time.

Meghan is starting to go overboard on the work, which has seemed to have ramped up over the last year. It's especially noticeable in her Vaxaid video. Her nose and fillers don't look like they have quite settled and no, it's not just her face full with pregnancy weight. I think her hair in the UK looked better than these super long weaves, the most recent with sun kissed blond highlights, just like all WOC have naturally. Somebody is having a big 40th birthday this summer!

John McCain's daughter has her boundaries:

R94 where is the picture of Archie?

Now I’m starting to think that he meant the Second Amendment, which I assume would seem more “bonkers” than the First, to a British person.

Regardless, it was rude and extremely undiplomatic to exile himself to this country and call its guiding principles “bonkers”.

I think it’s “bonkers” to force women to cover their heads, but I don’t go to Saudi Arabia and broadcast it.

He must know better. He’s just being a little bitch.

They can tweak the Regency guidelines with little trouble. Kate would likely be able to serve as part of a Regency partnership. There is no way in hell anyone would let Harry serve as Regent for the son of two people he hated and publicly threw under the bus, let alone his dismissal of the entire institution.

It's another argument for Charles stepping aside and asking Parliament to make William Heir Apparent whilst Charles remains Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall for the rest of his old age.

If William succeeds the Queen rather than Charles, but Charles is still alive, Charles is the best possible choice for Regent. And by the time the Queen dies in five or so years, George will already be thirteen. Even if William died close to the beginning of his reign, it would only be a few years.

An 18 year old tall, blond King George VII. Man the tabloids will set themselves on fire!

Absent that, they'll bring Edward forward as co-Regent with Kate. They'll skip Harry, Andrew, Anne and their kids.

Charles stepping aside would enrage the Harkles, too, as it were would mean their kids would never get that HRH.

The Times article at R101 seems to be talking about old-timey psychotherapy. I think nowadays therapy is much more pragmatic, ie not lying on a couch your entire adult life talking about your childhood.

Harry seems to have had some good therapy, as he was talking about not blaming anyone (which he would get from a good therapist). He just hasn't gotten to the next step of not actually then blaming them in the next sentence.

R106 Oh, poor Pet. Not tired yet of trying and failing to persuade anybody here of this bullshit you've been peddling here and on LSA for years?

And by the way, just how many DL accounts do you have, anyway? I keep blocking you and yet here you are again, like the proverbial bad penny?

Peekaboo, we see you!

Oh dear god it’s the Charles-stepping-aside troll.

Right, r132, because Parliament has no more pressing concerns than who will be Regent in the the unlikely event that George becomes King as a minor.

R151 I think that's understood.just the same, even broadsheets have raised the question of what Harry's actions might mean in the event of the unlikely but not impossible. Sixth on line is a way down. But he's still the next king's son. Until Prince George marries and has his first child, Harry remains in that odd territory, "so near but yet so far".

If you think the BRF and their advisors and the government haven't privately mentioned contingency plans, especially given the ages of the Queen and Charles, think again.

These people travel with black clothes just in case the unthinkable occurs.

R150... my favourite was "If William succeeds the Queen rather than Charles, but Charles is still alive, Charles is the best possible choice for Regent."

Yes, because he's too old and too lousy to be king as the hereditary principle provides.

I'd love to get to the bottom of whatever gets this loon thinking. Must be LSA.

Bad morning. That first amendment thing.... I half wonder if she isn't setting him up. It's actually almost comical. They strengthen their 'enemy' with each blunder and blunders are all they can accomplishment.

How those podcasts coming?

I have advice for them both: get a job.

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Archie on the merch stroll, R145, gotta start them early. Do not be fooled by all the moaning about "privacy" and "security" - under Cali law photos of celeb's kids must have faces pixilated UNLESS there was parental permission. Check out the cat that got the canary smirk on Megs. They live in Montecito, an areaa without sidewalks, so we are to believe she is pregnant and walking in the road with a toddler in those shoes? Riiiiight. Sadly, the swollen cheek on the tyke is worrisome.

R148

[quote] Harry seems to have had some good therapy, as he was talking about not blaming anyone (which he would get from a good therapist). He just hasn't gotten to the next step of not actually then blaming them in the next sentence.

Where would the money be in that? Their entire BRAND is about victimization and monteizing family estrangement AND proximity to the BRF. The word salad is just to make it appear high minded to the dumb and a bit less overtly extrortionist. Most are not fooled.

He is using victimhood as a brand in leiu of making a living in a more conventional way, R158.

To claim that the destitute he encountered on tours were more "free" reveals how crass and venal he has always been. This is the guy who abuses animals in public, torments his elderly grandparents and attempts to extort them and knocks the heads of little children together. He has a lifelong history of anger issues and problems with emotional regulation and a long history of heavy drinking and substance use. Why do the hard work to change when he thinks he can become rich AND best his brother by moaning?

Of course, wallowing in victimhood and the past does NOT make people happy or more well adjusted, as we can see. That he is donning the mantel of a mental health expert and advising children NOT to seek medical attention or adult help when anxious or depressed needs to be called out. Whether that thinking comes from Scienos, the Agate cult Oprah and Doria are known to be linked to or something else, mental health experts and child safeguarding requires he be held to account for his words. It will be interesting to see if the Apple series offers advice to children way outside the mainstream.

Harry attempting to extort his elderly, wealthy grandparents, then cavorting around for photo ops on the church steps while his crass as crass can be 1st wife merches a funeral wreath DURING the procession to inject her name via her media leutenants is disgusting. That he cloaks himself in faux moralism and "mental health expertise" whist doing so is laughable. They are a JOKE. Look at him reveling in faux cheering (orchestrated at a SS event by professionals) "like a rock star" - even rock stars have to create music and perform, Haz contributes nothing of positive value yet wants adulation, is he another Icke thinking he is the 2nd coming? The grandiosity of the Harkles, based on NOTHING but an accident of birth, is truly jaw dropping.

And the extortion attempts continue. Now reportedly recorded private conversations and secret videos of private homes will be deployed. All in trying to force the bank of Dad to re-open.

They want to limit free speech - no criticism of them - while getting the public, during a pandemic, to contribute to their slush fund "charity." The hubris is begging for a karmic correction.

WHO is paying the Sunshine Sucks bills, for one period alone estimated at 7 million pounds?! That is beyond the income of the Harkles. And to what end?

Link for R157

Anyone familiar with UK law re: unauthorized recording of private conversations or videos taken in private homes (homes belonging to the BRF may add a legal twist). Where I live in the states there must be explicit consent for such. Anyone?

California law prohibits recording another individual without that individual's express consent.

I believe the implication is that the recordings took place in the UK?

Bare knuckled extortion tends to not be great for relationships

Meghan can't even resist showing her mug on Harry and Oprah's mental health series. And just so you know...she's "raising the future".

The significant part of R117's link, above, re the alleged US PPP loan to the Harkle-Markles' corporation is quoted below. It's kind of hard to find on that jumble of info on that page, but it is in Reply No. 246 (findable with a search of the whole page for the word "loan"). It is certainly VERY interesting, and if true, could easily get these two grifters put "out of business" in the US, for good:

"They have created an LLC and this is where the money from the deals drops. They appear to have two of them. They are protected as a corporation and they could have a retirement plan with it as well. As the business owner, they are not on the hook personally for debts. They If I understand this, they received government money, aka the PPP stimulus loan to pay workers on your payroll. So Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex received $27, 605 from the government of the United States of America in one LLC in 2020 and another LLC SG Partners received $38100 in 2021 Isn't that interesting. If anyone sees this differently, please post. ETA: SG is Sergey Grishin

R157- That smirk on her face is know as " duping delight." It is the pleasure of deceiving people. Psychopath.

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R169-- That article is miles above Harry's intellectual ability to comprehend. How long are trf going to allow their selves to be extorted? Publicly for all the world to see? He is threatening them with releasing releasing private conversations. Send law enforcement authorities to deal with this decrepit bully.

@R170 - Added on too many words, sorry, typing too fast.

It’s hard to feel sorry for one of the most privileged men in the world.

It's debatable whether the things he complains about, losing a parent at a young age and tough love parenting, can really be cause of severe psychological damage. Many, many people endure the same and worse and have no choice but to just get on with life, because they're not a spoilt navel-gazing prince.

In fairness, many Americans either never learned or have forgotten why the First Amendment was created: to allow citizens to criticise the government without fear of arrest and suppression. Eventually, it dominoed over into absolutely everything else. Like Sisyphus' ball rolling downhill, the FA now cannot be prevented from covering everything. But its original intent was to allow criticism of the government without fear of reprisal and imprisonment.

Harry's position, of course, is that only nice speech about him and his wife should be prohibited, but outrageous and vicious (and frequently untrue) that he and his wife make against his family in another country, whom they both know are unlikely to stoop to tiresome rebuttals, are rightfully protected.

Their hypocrisy is breathtaking, it truly is. As is Harry's ongoing tactless blunders. He moves to America to get away from England, the Windsors, the restrictions of royalty, and is a guest in the new country - and before a year is out, he criticises probably the most sacred pieces of America's constitution - and not only criticises it, but admits as he does so that he 1) doesn't understand it, and 2) despite not understanding it, calls it "bonkers".

You couldn't make it up.

^He's "navel-gazing" in public because he's getting PAID to complain, and it's ALL he's got to offer the world, pure and simple.

^*only critical (not nice) speech about him and his wife should be prohibited . . .

Harry and Meghan cannot even keep their stories straight. He's admitted in public speeches being in therapy long before he met Meghan. He admitted feeling ambivalent, at a minimum, about being a full-time royal in interviews long before he met Meghan. He admits he failed to insist that his wife seek therapy when she was allegedly suicidal whilst pregnant, after admitting in previous interviews that he himself had been in therapy years earlier - they expect the public to believe that and to believe someone told her "it wouldn't be good for the institution" when both Harry and Diana were steered to counselling, and they mattered far more than Meghan does. She insists she knew little to nothing about the BRF before meeting Harry, but also admits to being more than a little interested in Diana and reading everything about Diana. She insists her kid didn't get an HRH at birth because he's biracial (the kid barely looked it until recently), yet had to know full well because Harry knew 1) why William's kids got it before birth but hers didn't, and 2) failed to mention that the moment Charles becomes King, they would be HRHs automatically, so what was the big deal about waiting a few years?

Every time they open their mouths, they put their feet in. It's unusual to see this level of vicious spite put out there along with this level of sheer stupidity, especially as every time they go for the Windsors' jugulars, they end up with blood all over their fronts.

Also, can we acknowledge that Harry is attacking a group of people (i.e, his family) who, because of their positions, cannot respond back. Okay, we get the message -- you feel let down by them. So, pick yourself up, get a job, and stop complaining. I always thought that Harry had extraordinary charm and appeal. But now he's become a whining, self-indulgent sap.

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I watched the trailer. The word that keeps coming to my mind is fetishization.

[Quote]God only knows what terrible secrets Markle now knows. The failure to crush her may be down to being afraid of what she will do when she has nothing to lose.

This.

That trailer is disturbing on so many levels. He can not have any love or respect for his mother and feel this is alright to do to her. Monetize her memory. That is all this is. What a complete piece of trash, with the IQ of a squid.

Harry married her in order to have her take all of the blame for him. I imagine he could be quite abusive. He is a spoilt bully who has been given everything he has asked for. He is used to being served by staff 24/7. When two narcs collide the one with the money rules.

For those thinking that Harry made a grammatical mistake with "genetic" and "generational"- I recently met someone who told me a theory that she believed in wherein trauma could be passed down genetically- somehow massive emotional trauma could be imprinted in someone's genes.

I think Harry got his amendment wrong as well - he probably meant to talk about the right to bear arms rather than free speech. Anyone else think he screwed up?

Nice try, but no. He made the comment in the context of paparazzi bombing and said: "I don't want to start going down the First Amendment route because that's a huge subject and one which I don't understand because I've only been here a short time, but you can find a loophole in anything.

"You can capitalize or exploit what's not said rather than uphold what is said."

Nothing there at all about guns and violence.

R185 - OK, thanks. So he's even more stupid than I thought.

You are one up on me, R179, no words came to mind.

Sick pup that Haz.

And Gaga and Marina Abramovic are creepy and not exactly wholesome and well adjusted.

If Orca has benefited from therapy why is she still morbidly obese? Typical for people who have been sexually abused as children, but a sign it has not been intergrated and moved past.

What is this spewing by the privileged actually accomplishing? I sincerely doubt many will watch.

How can anyone who lives in a democracy speak out against the freedom of speech? That's the most important tenet of a democratic country. It boggles the mind that Harry would criticize freedom just because the press calls him out and doesn't kiss his ass. Does he actually think that he and his wife are God's gift to humanity and are going to save the world??? Talk about delusional.

He's a superhero, dontcha know, R188?

Knowing how dumb he is and having listened to some of that Dax Sheppard podcast it is hard to even look at his very punchable face. Had he not been born into privilege I suspect he would be a couch surfing addict. He has accomplished NOTHING in his life, all PR smoke and mirrors and he abuses animals and his elderly relatives. TRASH human being.

Under CA law the photo of Archie would have had his face pixilated unless there was parental consent. When is that going to be addressed?

Harry forgot to use this photo too in his many PR clips to demonstrate "genetic pain" .......

Someone has probably explained to Harry the difference between defamation law in the UK and the US, and he's jumped on his high horse over it.

In the US, there's a First Amendment-based carve-out for comment about "public figures" like Harry; it's really hard though not impossible for a public figure to succeed with a defamation claim. That carve-out doesn't exist in Britain.

I am so fucking sick of these two. They're beneath contempt. Just go!

Instances of Harry contradicting himself.

I know this won't make you feel any better, r194, but thank God they never stayed here in Canada. Small blessings.

Harry is dumb and has reportedly had issues with emotional dysregulation since early childhood. His mother even raised it with her psychiatrist, reportedly. Diana often seemed frustrated with him and to gush over William who she parentified even as a preschooler, tasking him with care for baby Harry. He was later pressed into service to manage Harry's moods and rages from the days of his parents' split to polo fields, he was only a child himself. The stories of him passing tissues under the bathroom door as his mother spiraled out are so sad. Charles seemed a bit more patient with Harry. Shame that relationship was reduced to more dosh on top of his riches and burned to the ground.

Harry's drinking and drugging may have had an element of self medication. But now he is middle aged. The petulant teen act is cringey. He needs something like DBT not more navel gazing and lashing out.

Spite is not a viable career. These 2 are LOATHESOME. I get he is not right in the head and that poses challenges, I know kids like that IRL. But emotional regulation skills and work that fits his actual abilities needs to be the goal. And being clean. Given his slovenly appearance, have my doubts there.

He is almost 40, his emotional immaturity is glaring and needs to be the focus of treatment. Lashing out at his family has deprived him of one of his strongest supports and he seems even less emotionally regulated and able to engage in normal behavior. This is not going to end well for him or his kids.

They are really loathsome. The timing is particularly cruel. Neither of them give a tinkers damn about their children, or anything other than money and their insatiable egos. Both are animal abusers as well, which in my view puts them slightly above pedophiles. Absolute scum.

The other thing... I bet they're bored out of their skulls trapped in Casa Tacky with nothing to do.

They're like children without adult supervision.

No restrictions, no limits.

Are they doing any actual work? Are they creating any podcasts?

No. They sit around waiting to complain by interview and scheming for PR.

These are grown adults, apparently.

Sitting there all day, getting wasted and reading the comments sections about their selfs. All while someone else is paid to raise their child.

By dignity do they mean having his dad pay him lots of money otherwise their not being treated with dignity? Did they treat Prince Philip with dignity or his family when they merched a bouquet of flowers during the funeral?

Their idea of dignity is probably the opposed exact antithesis of dignity such is the contradictory nature of their lives and psyche.

What is the animal abuse thing all about?

[quote] I am so fucking sick of these two.

It's so sad that someone's forcing you to read/listen to every word that appears about them in the media and then race to DL to post about them over and over. Is there anything we can do to help you get that gun away from your head?

Harry was abusive to polo ponies. He is scum. He would often get into rages on the polo fields that William sometimes had to step in and diffuse. Pity his children.

Elder abuse is also disgusting.

Stay away from head shrinkers

Insight into narcissists - they really do not think like other people

How could you live with yourself after putting the grandfather who loved you in the hospital with your actions? And having tormented and threatened your family while he lay dying?

Will that "avalanche of misinformation" Harry is combatting include the flat-out lies he and his wife told to Oprah during that interview?

I'm gonna go with NO, R208. Rules for thee and not for me and all that.

This is quite funny.

What a shocker. Meagain demands something.

Dear God, that is extraordinary, R210. Isn't the baby due around then?

This is sick. I imagine at his mother's funeral, he felt BAD. Any more gilding of that lilly, esp connected to the public sphere and commerce is disgusting.

I think the unveiling of the statue should be a non-event. Have it appear one night, done and dusted.

If R210 is actually true, he may be borderline retarded.

She has some control over him, huh?

Him not showing would be the best of all worlds. Whatever vid he sends can be viewed for appropriate content and if not, tech difficulties could ensue.

Let him tantrum. After this, maybe his grandmother and father's funerals, that's it. No corronations or other events after what they have pulled. It is treasonous and elder abuse to boot!

I predict poor ratings.

Just limit it to the two brothers and be done with it. MeGAIN just wants to be part of it for merching and PR purposes.

Sounds like a celebrity whine-fest. Will they actually include anything that will help people who can’t afford expensive years of therapy?

None of them an advertisment for a well adjusted life, R216, quite the opposite.

Wallowing for cash and exploiting that $$$ victim culture mentality.

Harry married his dead mother's stalker. Wearing Diana's perfume, trying to BE Diana. That bitch is a bunny boiling psycho.

He's not much better, his exploitation of his mother's death is grotesque.

R219- It truly is. Is seems to be in his mind his only identity at all. He doesn't acknowledge that she was William's mother as well. Deeply disturbing and uncomfortable to watch.

It’s possible that Harry has inherited Diana’s Borderline Personality genes, which some studies show to be almost equally implicated along with environmental factors in the disorder. Available though limited research does show heritability in BPD (run in families), particularly BPD traits such impulsivity, cognitive functions, and mood instability.

That said, I still think Harry’s actions have more to do with being a cunt than anything to be blamed solely on mental health. As we like to say in psych, more often than not, a horrible person is just that, a horrible person. Excusing cunty behavior on mental health disorder basically absolves the cunty person from responsibility and accountability. They still know right from wrong and have agency to cause destruction with their behavior.

I do feel for Charles, first having to put up with Diana and now, a disgruntled son who’s manipulating the media and family in much of the same way that Diana did at the height of her insanity.

R221- That is true. It took me a long time to understand that a person can be mentally ill and still be a complete cunt. One does not rule the other out. These people get away with their behavior because everything is blamed on their mental illness and not the fact that they just have no conscience or empathy.

Go for it, Princess Henry.

What an unflattering photo, what is that saying about your face reflecting your character?

Agree, R221. And I would not rule out active addiction.

Haz is rumored to have had more than one stay for inpatient treatment. His missus is said to have gotten him off ALL psych meds early on. What is that about? And now HE is urging children to NOT see a doctor if they feel depressed or anxious and NOT to turn to adults for help. If they are not Scienos is this coming from Agate?

The evil is leaking out. That and way too much plastic surgery too soon.

His identity is one thing, he is making it a MONEY MAKING CAREER, R220.

Not something I choose to participate in.

Animal abuse, elder abuse, a child who is isolated with a swollen injury on his cheek, used to merch beanies, this is very sad stuff. Laughing at them was fun but this is something else entirely,

R224- That also sounds just like what Scientology teaches. God help trf is they have gotten their hands on these two.

Scienos or that Agate cult Oprah and Doria have been involved with for YEARS.

Isn't Orca also a member of the same church/cult that Doria is? OW turned out to be a low rent bitch.

She is. On the surface Agate poses as kinda nominally Christian. If you dig down a bit it gets very new age and weird.

How the Apple series, now expanded, handles psych meds, will be telling. If anyone watches, pls come and fill the class in.

Harry has had anger issues since early childhood. Before his parents split, before his mother died. Not everyone has the same bio/neuro cards to play. Something like DBT and learning emotional regulation could be very helpful to him. Navel gazing talk therapy is not likely to help as he seems to be regressing. Of course, active addiction would need to be addressed as well. Creating and maintaining social relationships is a sign of good mental health. Their poor children. If they had warm loving extended families, and ended up placing NO VALUE WHATSOEVER on those people, what wil being isolated with THEM and with constantly changing caretakers do to the kids?

More on the cult

Agape

I read upthread where someone wrote that Harry told teens to not tell their parents or go to their primary care provider for mental health concerns. Is this true? If so it’s bad not to mention dangerous advice. Why is Harry advising the public especially vulnerable populations such as teens on the subject of mental health? He has zero qualifications and as a primary care and mental health provider, this really pisses me off.

Can anyone provide links which show Harry giving bad advice to teens?

The advice was on a Zoom call, Meghan was there too. Should come up on a search, I saw a clip of it, I think it was on Twitter.

R234 when you find a link, please share. I would be happy to share on SM. Safeguarding of kids, esp vulnerable struggling kids, is important. They are not just another group for them to exploit.

R183

"For those thinking that Harry made a grammatical mistake with "genetic" and "generational"- I recently met someone who told me a theory that she believed in wherein trauma could be passed down genetically- somehow massive emotional trauma could be imprinted in someone's genes"

I think Harry has a better understanding of genetics than you. Check out "epigenetics" for starters.

"Trauma can leave a chemical mark on a person's genes, which can then be passed down to future generations. This mark doesn't cause a genetic mutation, but it does alter the mechanism by which the gene is expressed. This alteration is not genetic, but epigenetic"

R237 I’m not R183, and I doubt Harry has any sort of grasp on genetics let alone epigenetics which is a newer branch/ offshoot of the study of genetics/ gene expression. Nothing that dimwit Harry has said recently as well as in the past would make me give him the benefit of doubt that he was referring to theories of epigenetics when he said “genetics of pain”. My undergrad is in microbiology and I’m a DNP i(certified in both primary care and psych), and even as someone who has an interest in epigenetics, I wouldn’t venture to say something like that without follow-up qualifier. Hence the conclusion is that Harry was talking out of his ass as usual, jumbled words that sound impressive and educated superficially when not followed up by details/ evidence.

In psych we also look at a person’s past history, as in behavior and words, to gauge current or even predict future behavior. It’s evident that Harry has a history of misspeaking, generalizing his own experiences and applying them to others universally. In other words, he’s a narcissistic dumbass. It’s more likely that he meant to say generational pain and no amount of spin can undo that assessment. Generational pain also makes a lot more sense in the context of what he was attempting to convey.

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[quote] In other words, he’s a narcissistic dumbass.

What would be the term for his wife, then? Bc she is some piece of work herself!

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This is why they are pitching to kids even though they are middle aged.

US teen is moved by Meghan and Harry's 'compassion, humility and wisdom' and 'inspired for life' by their struggles after they make surprise mentoring call

This seems completely unlikely to be real as welll, lol.

"Prince Harry praised for 'raw honesty' about mental health struggles: 'The People's King!'

How does his whinging and navel gazing actually HELP anyone? Explain it to me like I am 5. Anyone?

Oh, my sides! The teen wasn't just inspired, but she was inspired FOR LIFE!! 😆 Keep pouring more sugar in it, girl! You gonna need to make anyone believe your ass has one drop of true compassion for anyone. You probably have have I inspired millions to never trust a charity or humanitarians ever again. But you just keep peddling !

Even Dim spilled the real facts re: his "philanthropy" to fake Greta.

How do these random calls DO anything?

When Catherine is speaking to people they have participated in submitting photos re: Hold Still and the story of those photos is highlighted.

WHAT besides themselves (and to what END?) do the Harkles promote? They also made a random Zoom to the staff meeting of a mental health charity. Harry is a POOR example of the efficacy of therapy, he keeps getting WORSE. If he had to be in a group with fellow addicts and drunks they would rip his delusions to SHREDS.

R244- Yes, and the village idiot giving advice to teens should not be permitted nor promoted by anyone, ffs. This has the potential to cause real harm. I am livid .

That very specific anti-medical treatment for mental health agenda is straight up Scientology. More remains to be seen about the cult and if it hold similar views. Hopefully someone will watch the Apple series and can reprot back if the agenda is carried forth there. If so there should be a boycott. This DOES have the potential to cause real harm, I feel the same, R245.

R65 has to be the STUPIDEST thing I've ever read on DL. Yes, Meghan had a secret baby that she gave to the sister she's never been close to. The sister who is such a good mother that she's estranged from her own children and mother. The sister who openly hates her guts and would have dropped this bomb years ago as she's never met a microphone she doesn't like (a family trait).

I enjoy gossip about these two idiots but some of you are so far into outer space it's ridiculous.

I did not make up the story, R247, I merely mentioned it. Unclench.

Aren't the backers of this fuck fest worried about lawsuits? These people are really greedy and amoral. They truly worry me. You do not dispense medical or mental health advise to anyone, especially vulnerable teens. But to tell them not to to a professional mental health care facility?! Harry, shut your ignorant mouth, you knuckle dragging moron.

R248 repeating something so obviously stupid is still stupid.

The gays are now TIRED of both of them. Their grasping and calculating desperation have overwhelmed any sympathy and cred Harry might have once merited. They are done. Wait and see, in about 3 more months they'll be off someplace like Kenya or Botswanaland, doing "forest reparations" for the poor, dislodged elephants, or some stupid crap like that, etc. IT'S OVER. Not interesting at all any more, and it's just a matter of time, a short time...

Chief Impact Officer Haz is disseminating reckless advice.

R251- Agree, and thank you so much for that comical visual. It made me 😊. 😘

(And, I forgot to mention, they'll be living in a PALATIAL "tree house"...) -R251

R254- 🤣🤣 Now people would pay to see that! Watch them turn on each other as they resentfully try to carry on with their new found station in life. Watch MM's plastic surgery and fillers slide down her face and Harry's last strand of hair fall out.

With these 2, who knows, R250. At one point, she was on very good terms with Samantha.

Doria is hiding a lot as well. She stays in the shadows. She is creepy.

Doria is apparently the CEO, CFO and Secretary of a home health care biz targeting wealthy elderly, cash only. She does not posess the requisite licene under CA law. Add that to "creepy." Hope it is a money laundering front and no elder abuse is going on. A former yoga instructor has no capacity to manage complex medically issues in the frail.

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He's getting the face he deserves.

More info re: the documentary they have coming with secret vids and recorded convos. Orca is involved, shocker, I know.

But in fairness, R248, you did choose to mention something incredibly stupid.

So you say, R262. You are such a lighthearted and fun addition to the board! We are blessed by your OCD repetitive statements that add SO much.

People have photos and videos of the SB house, vines growing across the guard station. They say it appears empty. So they are likely not holed up there at all. Don't believe everything, things are rarely what they appear with these 2. Doria and MeGain are rumored to be at a ranch in the area and Harry has been seen at Soho House. It is all smoke, mirrors and drama.

If his mother had not died, so as to be exploited in leiu of a job, what career do you imagine Haz would have. Remember he was said to be emotionally dysregulated and angry from a very young age, even before his parents split up, long before she died.

It sure looks like extortion. Anyone familiar with UK law re: recording of private convos w/o consent or recording video in homes?

Would anyone do business or socialize with them after that? That takes indiscrete and vindictive to a new stratosphere. It really does look very scorched earth. This is all turning more sinister, was easier to laugh at them before March.

Lol. OCD. Block r263 and five posts in a row disappear.

Nurse, meds!

Hmmmm we need to get Scieno-Buster Leah Remini to befriend and investigate, then release a competitive tv series.

Some interesting info here re: where he may be getting his ideas re: mental health protocols

TMZ...As for the "genetic" abuse, the Royal aide lashed out, saying, “People are appalled that he could do this to the Queen when the Duke of Edinburgh is barely in his grave."

Hard to disagree, they really are trying to provoke them into a payday or into something they can add to their victimhood crown of thorns.

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I still want to know what happened to the chickens. If what's being said on the Recollections May Vary thread (that the Harkles aren't living in the house and that it's being used as a tax thing), those chickens were probably Sunday dinner a few months ago.

Let's hope they were rented props, R274.

Trying hard to blackmail his family:

How exactly would the wife be part of the tribute? Would she unveil the statue as if it were a fucking briefcase

Is it just me, or in that silly cameo photo of Meghan in that even sillier tee shirt, has the baby bump of the "heavily pregnant" MM disappeared? She is alleged to be something like 8 months gone, the tee shirt is tucked into her trousers. And her hair is stuffed down the front so you can see the predictably pretentious slogan.

Where the fuck is the huge bump?

" he’s a narcissistic dumbass. "

You say you are a nurse practitioner - is this how you speak to your patients?

BTW I am a MD and double boarded in psych and neuro. Don't need a lecture from a nurse on any scientific topic.

CBS just ran the promo with a concern-troll commentary, with a few nods to the deluge of their publicity and Harry’s First Amendment snafu. But everyone happily agreed, in conclusion, that Harry is going to help many people with his important work.

Although Meghan and Oprah were mentioned, the focus was on Harry. Interesting.

Most sane people would just like to say to him...

I wondered the same, R278. It took me a minute to figure out why her hair looked so odd before I realized it was all stuffed down the shirt. She also had a belt on at her waist, not commom for the preggo.

You know those Deal or No Deal skills are there if needed, R277. I had no idea Chrissy Teigen had been a briefcase girl too.

R280, it does seem as though Megs is being relegated to the background a bit of late, wonder how that is going over? She tried to make "Duchess Meghan" happen with no luck. Businesses are not interested in her and her book is flopping even before its release. For someone who aimed to work with A list directors, bit of a come down. Wonder how she is coping?

There is zero reason for the wives to be giving speeches at the Diana tribute.

She interjected herself from afar into a FUNERAL by merching a wreath, R284. You KNOW Megs is not gonna let this pass w/o building her "brand." She wore Diana's perfume on their first date, she has been cosplaying her, the thirst is real.

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Sounds like Meg attended Agape with Doria.

[quote] 'I would see her every now and then at the church we were going to but I mostly stayed in contact with her mum.

Her mum would let me what she was up to. 'Megs is doing this, Megs is in Canada, Megs is modelling, Megs is acting.'

One story going around is that Meg chose to go live with her father when he won the lottery for the $ and opportunities and because Doria was more strict. This is per her childhood friend. He was working on MwC at the time too, I believe. In that recounting it was not that Doria bailed it was Meg seeking opportunities. TM seems to have been more indulgent as often is the case with second families.

Anyone know when the other 4 Apple episodes are to air?

Stealing this

[quote] Well, there is picture and video proof of racism within the BRF: From Harry. The guy Meghan decided to marry. It didn't matter then neither did any of the rest of the family history... So her and her cronies can sit their fake raging asses right back down. It didn't bother her with him when she joined the BRF, it only started bothering her when she couldn't cash in.

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Maybe 2 years, R290, it was originally announced by KP. That could be right re the bump.

You will all be delighted to know that they are "doing their best to tune out the drama" at this time - after stirring it up on the reg! Sunshine Sucks may earn their keep having to write such lunacy. But, their mishandling of the account has seen Meg's image TANK and her become a laughingstock, along with Dim. No one is going to look at the trajectory and think "I want them to do that for ME." With the unsavoriness of many of their clients, from Murky Meg and her oligarchs to Weinstein, they seem to have passed their peak. If the VaxLive client showcase was such a flop at least their take of the $302 mil was likely large. Global Citizen has a very low pass through rate, all that money had to go somewhere, after all.

R282 - I suppose it's possible she's had the baby already - you know how mysterious they were over Archie's birth. They seem to think that somehow this kind of approach enhances their ludicrously hypocritical positions on privacy, and haloes them and their children with mystery. As if you know, Herod's soldiers were on the way to slaughter the children of Israel to head off the rise of a King of Judaea.

They are so - fucking - exhausting. It will eventually be their undoing (I believe that's happening already) as the public tires of hearing Harry's and Meghan's mantras being intoned on a nearly daily basis.

It is a SS template to create drama, intrigue, etc. Keeps people talking, just like the varying bump size. Not for any positive accomplishment, more like a low rent soap opera when the client does not really have much actually going for them.

They are exhausting! And the ramped up PR almost feels assaultive. One question that does bear investigation is WHO is paying the staggering PR bill (at one point estimated at 7 million pounds just for one period of time) and to what END? This is beyond the means of the Harkles. If Haz, the personification of a "useful idiot" is being used to damage or attempt to take down the BRF, on whose behalf?

They act like people who are finanacially pressed, no way did Spotify pay that much for a single podcast, kwim?

I hope when they split that Meg gets regular random drug testing included in the custody order. He looks and acts like an addict, holes in the shoes and all.

Poor kids, hopefully they will end up in a decent boarding school.

I think I hate him more than her. He needs to bitch slapped into next week

I think she's taking effective advantage of his weaknesses and vulnerabilities, but, yes, I agree he's much more unlikeable than her right now, although she has cleverly gone to ground. He's like her dodo bird down the mineshaft.

The whole idea of stripping their titles seems to be a nonstarter, if they continued to use them, then what would they do? Plus it would directly aid their victim narrative. Grey rocking is the best strategy.

If they really do try to put out a film with recorded convos and vids of private homes and royal children w/o consent, not sure what legal steps there are re: that in UK.

However much she wanted to bounce before the wedding, it is looking like a good deal at this point, although Haz would still have been a ticking time bomb.

Holding onto the titles just emphasizes what hypocrites the two of them are. Besides, you know MeGAIN is desperate for her kids to get that HRH.

R279 Oh dear me, since you’re an almighty MD, I guess we plebs should never challenge your opinions. Holy, godly physician, heal our stupidity.

Are you for real, do you come on DL and speak in the same professional manner with colleagues and patients, on a gossip thread? You do? Ok, here’s a cookie, you do you. Poor thing, having to insert yourself on DL gossip thread and engage with presumed lessers who shouldn’t have any educated opinions because they’re not almighty MDs. Having such thin skin that you’re insulted and won’t take“lecture from a nurse from any scientific topic” when it’s Harry’s dumbassery that’s topic of discussion. Really, the gall of nurses and other lessers who dare to overstep boundaries. The opinions of a MD must be the final authority, that Harry is knowledgeable on epigenetics and was merely educating the public instead of his usual verbal diarrhea.

This is the DL, if you don’t want to be “lectured” by your lessers on a gossip thread, then maybe you should hightail it to the NEJM letters to the editors page where you can pontificate to your hearts’s content. DL threads are where people engage in bitchery and sometimes engage in interesting conversations, even with others who are less educated than insufferable assholes.

What's the difference between God and a doctor?

God doesn't think he's a doctor.

But many doctor's think they are God.

Threads about the Narkles seem to attract narcissists. Fuck off haughty doc.

R302-- As a lowly former nurse, I have been TOLD.

R303-That wasn't meant for you , dear, R302.😘

If nurses want to cosplay doctors after a few online courses, go for it. Insurance companies are behind this nurse is now a doctor trend. Saves them a bundle, and as long as patients don't mind excessive testing and overprescribing of antibiotics (among other nurse practices well demonstrated by research).

R305- Are you referring to the posters here, or this fiasco with OW and Harry?

Ok R305. Taking a few online courses and saying they’re experts are what Harry and his wife were advocating last year. But since you’re trolling APN profession, I have to say something in defense. For my MSN and DNP combined (not online school) I did over 2000 clinical hours in addition to didactic courses and evidence-based final project/ research paper. Took about 5 years total, master’s and doctorate. I doubt celeb experts like Harry and Meghan can manage to complete one online course in pop psychology let alone rigorous postgraduate studies.

It irritates me to see celebs like Harry given public forum in informing the public as experts on serious health concerns, in this case mental health. Paying lip service is fine, but he’s going further than that and he’s promoting questionable advice to boot. Monetizing poor insights and perceived family slights are not what public discourse on mental/ behavioral health concerns should be centered on.

Then you have a MD posting , saying that Harry is more educated on epigenetics than we know. MD with reading compression issues then gets his panties in a twist by taking my response as insult. All I said was that even I, as someone with more pertinent background than dumbass Harry, wouldn’t say things like “genetic pain” without further qualifier. Now we have the nurses cosplay doctors troll. This thread, I swear to god...

Prince Harebrain doesn't know what epigenetics is. I don't know what it is. And I'm functionally literate.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't really live in the Montecito mansion. They don't tell the truth about anything, and if caught out would say they're doing it to protect their privacy. When in reality, they're doing it to create drama and because, in this case, they can't afford the place. Shady as hell.

If the BRF stripped the Sussex title, it would add more fire to the flames and Meghan would start calling herself Princess Meghan (instead of Princess Henry as is correct). They've already degraded the title to the point where it's even less desirable than Duke of Windsor to those in the know. It also makes them look like bigger and bigger hypocrites as they continue to throw shade at the very institution that gave them their names. Better to let them keep it at this point.

R307- My post was meant as sarcasm to the same poster, the doctor claiming these nitwits are in any way qualified to address these issues . This is very dangerous and reckless. Again, just the very real possibly of lawsuits should deter the idiots backing this.

Haven't seen this mentioned here, I think it's hilarious. Zara has gained some points with me.

R207 - Harry did not put in grandfather in the hospital. Philip was 99 and dying.

I hate to break it to all the haters, anti-Sussexites and Klan Grannies but Harry is not going anywhere.

Harry is not leaving his wife, Harry is not leaving California and Harry is not getting kick out of the British Royal Family.

God, we haven't heard Klan Grannies in awhile, or do I just have that many benefits recipients and no hopers blocked?

R314 - I think the Klan Grannies just went underground and are using different language.

We’ll see r313, time will tell

Philip was hospitalized the very day after they called and said they were doing the Oprah interview. The facts are clear. As were the continued extortion attempts until his death. Can't change reality, SS troll, we are not MeGain manifesters on this board. Try Tumblr.

R310 I'm sure that's part of the considerations going on behind Palace doors right now. I think the Dax Shepherd interview, even more than the Orca one, represented some sort of Rubicon for the family. There are some strong rumours floating about that the BRF, despite its public silence. is at lady out of patience and are examining options.

Whilst Meghan would be only too delighted to start calling herself a Princess - she won't be stupid enough to call herself Princess Meghan. She can't sign her next silly book that way and she knows it. She also knows she can't call herself Princess Henry without looking like she's fine with male privilege if it gets her a juicy title.

So I'm not sure that taking the ducal title will be as counterproductive as one might think.

Harry can go on calling himself Prince Harry, he was born a blood prince. But Meghan wasn't.

The media called Diana "Princess Diana" all her life, despite the fact that that was never her title ever for one moment. But the media calling her Princess Meghan won't solve her problem of how she can legitimately refer to herself.

For Meghan, using Princess Meghan is off limits and she knows it. And Princess Henry is seriously bad optics.

Taking the ducal title might be just the push for Harry to give the rest up on his own, file for American citizenship, and ask to be removed from the order of succession by Parliament.

I'm now thinking it may be time for this move.

^*at last out of patience

I don't see what is in it for him from his perspective, R318. The docu with taped private conversations and secretly taped videos is raising the stakes exponentially despite the dubious legality.

I am curious about Oprah and her involvment with the Narkles, the Agape cult and it appears, Scientology.

R318 If Harry were ever to take US citizenship he would have to renounce his titles.

"In case the person applying for naturalization has borne any hereditary title, or has been of any of the orders of nobility in any foreign state, the applicant shall . . . make under oath . . . an express renunciation of such title or order of nobility."

Why would he want to do that? The marriage is clearly not going to last. Why would he agree to stop using the titles either? And if he did agree then kept using them, then what?

The BRF looks weak now but is grey rocking. If they try to overtly control the Narkles it will show them to be even weakers. Narcs will seize control they will not allow it to be imposed on them.

I am surprised that the legalities of taped convos and videos under UK law, also regarding taping of children in the BRF is not getting more discussion. Charles should never have forced the Cambridges to entertain them at Amner Hall when MeGain had taken photos in Charles' living space. They should have all been more cautious and protective of the kids. MeGain was bad news before the wedding then it is as if they decided to ignore all that had come before.

r283 I wonder if she approached or contacted any A list directors and they snubbed her?!! LOL I would love to be a fly on the wall for that!

r322 Illicit recordings of members of the royal family including children if aired will close many doors to them in hollywood circles and business .It would be a big red flag in elite circles that they are untrustworthy and dangerous schemers.

I wonder if it can be blocked preemptively on legal grounds, R324.

Just the announcement of it will cause people to shy away I would imagine. What are they really hoping to get? Where would the extortion end?

Does Harry use a pick to fluff out that mess on his head to cover the balding?

Always thought the Fam was hanging Harry and Meghan out to dry every time a controversial story came up about someone else. William’s supposed affair, Uncle Andrew, and such. The real stories were buried. Also I think H and W fell out over the affair.

The story about the affair was traced back to a Megaloon, so, grain of salt. It is a favorite trope of Sunshine Sucks, talk about deflecting, eh, R327? Along with Kate's skirts and Andrew.

If any of this is true, Harry better watch out, esp for the IRS.

Most who are not paid by Sunshine Sucks agree with this assessment

He got by on being cute but now that he is middle aged he just comes off as petulant and childish

[quote]Along with Kate's skirts and Andrew.

Oooooooooooh! It's been awhile!!!!

Pedo Andy! But Kate's skirts! and RACISM! And rescue chickens!

There was a photo of him on one of these threads, at a tennis match with William and Catherine, and sitting in the stands Harry had his arms crossed and a huge pout, he looked like the world's biggest toddler. Can't all be put to his first wife, he has always been this way.

Might be best for all if he stays in Cali, esp if he would have to quarrantine in the UK. Except for funerals, his inclusion in official events may be over. Why did they choose this strategy and why are they continuing it? Who benefits?

I'm no fan of the desperate famewhore, but if Doria was in prison there'd be a paper trail. Not to mention Samantha would've told every detail to the Daily Mail.

r327.The Daily Mail revealed Andrew's friendship with Epstein long before Meg was ever heard of.

The William thing is a fantasy of her deranged fans. Possibly started by St Meg herself after H was seated next to Rose at his one and only state dinner.

R333 Just for you:

R336- It is really telling how everyone around him just ignores him and continues to talk as if he isn't there. They are obviously used to his petulant behavior. He looks like a spoiled, over grown two year old having a bratty sulk. Ugh.

Have we seen any congrats to the Sussexes from the BRF on their third wedding anniversary yet?

And are we expecting the usual announcement from the Harkles that they congratulated Bea and Edo "privately" on their news that Bea is expecting her first child this autumn?

The latter announcement beautifully timed to overshadow the Harkles' third wedding anniversary.

Beatrice has announced she's pregnant... on the happy occasion of Hapless and Harry's first wife's wedding anniversary.

As the Maul said: Touche!

That was no accident and if not lay to rest certainly challenge the notion the Yorks are in bed with the Sussexes, with Huge leaking. Though I wouldn't go anywhere without a tire patch kit if I were her.

R336 Serious question: does Harry have learning difficulties?

Brilliant, R336, thanks! I could not find it. That is another prince that Catherine is speaking with. The photo is extraordinary, add in a narc partner and substance issues and the current mess is not such a surprise. God help those kids.

R341, yes, it is believed he does. He has also had issues with emotional dysregulation and anger since very young, well before his parents split and his mother died. Often, in my experience IRL the 2 go hand in hand. Treatment targeted at emotional regulation skills can help, all the drinking and drugs could have been self medicating. He had difficulty with graduating from his prep school and did so with teachers err, helping him, one lost her job, I believe. Ir is rumored that he has had inpatient psych treatment on more than one occasion, we do not all get the same neurological cards to play. Meghan was said to have gotten him off all psych meds early on, no idea if that is some influence of the Agape cult Doria and Orca attend and which Meg attended as a child, or Scienos or just narc control. Harry has seemed much more tense and less happy since.. Sometimes photos really are woth a thousand words, eh? Harry is not and never has been right in the head.

From The Guardian

His rage outburts were often diffused by William, as very young children and as adults on the polo field quite publically. Harry has been abusive to animals and may have difficult with true rather than feigned empathy, his actions since March as more evidence.

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In the old, unpolitically correct days of IQ. labelling & retardation categories, Harry would be called a Dull Normal. This describes an individual who scores in the Normal IQ. range, but is unable to 'connect all the dots'. Unfortunately for them, they are often quite labile & usually inflammatory since they are able to perceive that they are dull intellectually. Given their limited abilities they are often very unable to ameliorate their conduct. They do best in very structured situations where the just follow someone else's script.

It's really too bad she swept in and took him out of his comfort/controlled zone where he could lumber along with a system to protect him. Now he'll be left exposed and discredited when her next phase launches.

R346, re: kids I have known IRL they do benefit from structure and stability and sometimes DBT. Choosing a career is quite tricky. Harry knows himself, he said he felt unsafe flying helicopters, it was beyond him. His continuing to do so in Cali is madness. The worst of all worlds is them coming under the sway of an alientating narc or other grifter. With targeted interventions the emotional lashing out can be lessened but here with the malign influence of MeGain, it is brakes off.

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One of Sunshine Sucks lamer attempts.

I thought it was Harry and OPRAH's series?

MeGain is not wise to try to take on big O.

They want to limit speech to haigography. Nope, not gonna happen Narkles.

Ah, so we should abandon the monarchy and worship the Narkles instead?

How is his whinging and lashing out at family helping anyone else's mental health? His own seems to be worsening as well.

Meghan is being back burnered now. She always has to insert herself. It is Oprah's series with Harry.

I do not worship the BRF but I am a fan of basic human decency, something not exhibited by Harry or Meghan toward their families. Their actions since March have been grotesque. Extrorting a family while an elderly man is dying and when there is pushback, claim it is all to muzzle MeGain? Narc on steroids, dark triad more likely, that one.

Meg wants to try to steal credit from Big O? Get the popcorn ready.

Let's not forget the stable extended family the Sussexes are denying their children. As I pointed out in another thread, the Sussex kids have loads of cousins in their own age group: Louis Cambridge, Lena and Lucas Tindall, August Brooksbanks, Bea's new kid, and, probably, in another couple of years, Eug's second baby and Bea's second baby. A built-in bunch of friends who could be trusted to understand the unique and privileged lives they lead. All lost because of Sussex narcissism.

It is tragic, R353, and loving and stable adults in extended families offer much to children. That Harry was not able to value the love of his family is more evidence of him having never been right in the head.

So, no congrats from the other members of the BRF on the Sussexes' 3rd wedding anniversary, AND Princess Bea announces her pregnancy AND Kate and William announce a tour of Scotland on the same day.

The drawbridges at the Palace really have gone up.

Gives him something new to moan about, "My family hates my 1st wife..." blah, blah.

I think the BRF has figured out that no matter what they do, Harry will moan. May as well just get on with things.

If he really is demanding that Meghan make a speech at the Diana statue unveiling, I'd tell him no. There will be no benefit to giving her that platform: They won't be grateful or reduce their attacks. They'll attack either way, so why give them anything?

Dull Normal individuals are often prone to substance abuse(helps to blunt the reality of their intellect status)braggadocio, manipulation, abuse. They can be easily grifted. They crave validation, attention, praise. Their personality issues(labile, easily frustrated, anger) often cause them to run afoul of societal norms & the law. The jails & Family Cour are full of them. As parents they confound the Child Welfare agencies. As parents theyoften isolate their children from family members who might comment on their parenting & the welfare of the children.

That fits with what I have seen IRL, R358. They are rightly concerned, but that the same time, need to protect themselves.

Harry talked about always feeling different. something I have heard people such as you have described say. He may not attribute that to his mother's death but his issues were well known from early childhood. His mother even raised his anger issues and emotional dysregulation with one of her own treating psychiatrists.

Shame for those kids.

he MAY attribute

not he may NOT attribute

He has never been right in the head since a very young child. Of course having children with someone who needs a psychiatrist summoned on the honeymoon was also not great judgment, but needs must once the ring was on perhaps.

Very sad, the Sussex children will have $ but a much worse childhood than either parent experienced.

[quote]So, no congrats from the other members of the BRF on the Sussexes' 3rd wedding anniversary,

In fairness, a lot of them lost money in the pool.

I assume there were private congratulations and well wishes from the queen, Prince Charles, Prince William et al for the anniversary couple. Very fitting, since they crave privacy and no longer wish to be in the public eye.

He's trying for a Melania-Einstein 0-1 visa. That's just the federal gubmint. It hardly makes him a native in CA.

I forgot Charles walked MeGain down the aisle. Well, what she did to her family she did to his and soon will do to him.

With the announcement of Beatrice’s pregnancy today, I wonder if Harry and Meg are still included in the sharing of family news before it goes public. Probably some things but not others.

Any communications with them have got to be so awkward. Like hi, I know you’re busy trying to bring about the dissolution of the monarchy, but how’s life otherwise?

Given their tendency to leak private conversations, I doubt they're included in the family chats anymore.

Families who are of normal intelligence often have to 'grey rock' their disruptive, destructive dull normal family members. They have to do this to preserve their own well being & safety. It is especially sad when minor children are involved. They are deprived that wonderful safe blanket a loving extended family can provide when parents are disturbed. This is the real, tragic, generational pain that can so easily be avoided. Too bad it won't happen for Archie & his sister. All the money, titles, fame, wokeness will not correct this. Phoney social acceptability does not produce happiness. Hope people are actively praying for them..know it sounds cornball as h--l, but doesn't seem there is anything else anyone can do..

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Agree, R367, it is quite tragic for children in such a situation.

From Sunshine Sucks, more info on their rival court in the US.

BG, pinch of salt, etc.

Speaking of the secret vids and recorded calls, from March

Why yes, yes she did and they are planning to openly release it all in a documentary. Has anyone seen a discussion of UK laws regarding secret recordings w/o consent?

If, indeed, there are recordings of private conversations captured with only one party consent in California regardless of location of the second party, the UK in this case on a Transatlantic call between Harry in CA and family in UK, California law makes it illegal as it's a two party consent state.

If the conversations were recorded in the UK between Harry, Meghan and members of the RF, those conversations were recorded illegally and can not be part of a court action against the RF by the Sussexes in California

What I'm fuzzy on is what might happen if the tapes are released in a "documentary." Archwell could release a it in the U.S. from a location that has only one party consent laws such as D.C. which is where Omarosa recorded Trump with her "spy" pen.

You'd think the S's might consult with an attorney or this is just smoke and mirrors BS to follow up on Harry's 1st amendment bonkers claim. "Here!" says Harry about 1st Amendment claim, as he flagrantly tramples others' claims claims and releases private conversations? Is he truly THIS unaware that he cannot peddle himself in a foreign country without consequences?

How fucking goddamn stupid are either of them?

Oh, yeah. And the IRS British tax authorities may have to devote an entire department to their financial shenanigans.

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Look at how easily Meghan disposed of her ex husband, boyfriend, family members. Some day she will turn on Harry too.

Will she turn on her own children?

r376 she is a narcissist, if they do what she wants they will be okay otherwise...

Both of her siblings are estranged from their children. Her naked meth head nephew and the pot grower nephew even dumped the Markle name, going by their mom's name. Archie and Diana 2.0 really have inherited a shit ton of disfunction from all sides.

Brilliant strategy from the BRF that we have all seen slowly happening. I was trying to decode the Palace Insiders, but these leads me to believe the freeze will commence on their Anniversary with no congrats, no mention on Diana 2.0's birth, no mention of MM in Diana's unveiling. They are prepping us, but we all saw this coming. The BRF is always dignified:

[quote] They have had quite enough of his nonsense. After the latest round of attacks, the family came up with a unified strategy by which everyone in the family could abide.

[quote] The strategy is subtle and dignified.

[quote] No consideration will be made nor recognition given to [the couple’s] activities or schedule. Those quiet acts of omission will make it clear that they (and especially she) are now “personae non gratae.” It will also deprive them of publicity, the oxygen that fuels their unseemly behavior.

[quote] The family will simply carry on with their own lives and activities. The omission of [the couple] from their communications will be quite subtle, yet, each time it happens, it will be noticed because it will demonstrate a distinct break from past traditions.

This is the perfect solution. They've lobbed so many insults that even the American public can respond "why would you want to be with these awful monsters, so why are you complaining about not going to Diana's unveiling".

"Under CA law the photo of Archie would have had his face pixilated unless there was parental consent."

I'm only halfway through the thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned, but weren't Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard instrumental in creating this law? If they were then Dax is even dumber than I thought for kissing up to these two.

The Markle family is so sketchy on the father's side. Also no one except her mother came to the wedding. Basically the Royal Family married trash.

Those poor kids- it's going to be a Mommy Dearest situation- those kids are just extension of her ego. Also, they're not going to have the posh British accent that the rest of the family has.

Markle doesn’t even seem to have a close relationship with her mother, Doria seems sketchy

Oh, they have to do the right thing and acknowledge the birth of the baby. That would be terrible not to - for the baby.

I suspect the BRF will do the absolute minimum, always staying faultlessly polite. But the unspoken message will be a very, very cold frost.

I think H&M are seeing that big PR announcements of Archewell's latest philanthropic ventures aren't generating anything more than a fast eyeblink amongst the public. They aren't getting the tabloid clicks or fevered debate in endless columns. The P&G announcement got slightly more because of the company's bad deeds, particularly re deforestation.

But even that disappeared quickly.

It's increasingly clear that the public are only interested in the Sussexes' now glaringly obvious feud with the British Royal Family.

And within that context, the card the Sussexes are playing is already showing signs of becoming dog-eared. Even the American media is scoffing, and Harry's latest and rather staggering own goal in his comments about the First Amendment were an early Christmas gift to the Windsor side.

They are being squeezed between two pincers: their only real value is in their royal connection, but they burnt all their bridges to that, so the only thing they can do is to keep reminding the public of by pretendung they are burning more, even though at this point there really aren't only left to burn.

So they end up looking desperate and vicious instead of like heroic survivors.

The public silence from the BRF is far louder than Harry's moaning. And it is going to get louder as time goes on.

I give H&M's marriage ten years -- seven years to implode and then three for Harry to figure out what the hell he's going to do. And then he'll go begging back to King William to ask for a place back in The Firm. I'm not quite sure how that request will be received.

R387 - I think ten years is a reasonable guess. They've only been married for three years, and statistically, it is at the three-year mark that the romance bloom has faded and something else has to have taken its place. It's also been a hugely volatile three years, and that may have extended the "excitement" phase. They're only settled in what they claim as their permanent home for a year, and they're about to become parents for the second time.

It will take another three years or so for the dust to settle. There is only so long they can keep the drama up with the BRF without looking ridiculous. And the public aren't that interested in their "philanthropy:", it's not as if they're Bill and Melinda Gates or The Rockefeller, Ford, or Carnegie foundations.

As to a return to the Firm as a working royal: personally, I think that is off the table, especially if, as reports by people claiming some inside sources asssert, behind their wall of silence the Palace are finally acknowledging that Harry is a lost cause and now seriously considering whether it's time to take his ducal title and HRH. A few more attacks on the monarchy as an institution, and the Palace may even have a legitimate argument for pushing to get Harry removed from the line of succession.

They are already beginning the drip drip PR of If He Thinks Monarchy Is So Bad Why Is He Clinging To His Royal Title? It's becoming ever more of a legitimate question.

If the marriage breaks up at the ten-year mark, it will be far too late for Harry to do anything but re-establish his relationship wit his father, brother, sister-in-law (by then likely Prince and Princess of Wales), and cousins. Not least, because of his spectacular unpopularity with the UK public - which will not welcome him back after hearing about hos his "spiritual home" is California, and remembering how he was gone during the country's darkest hour since WWII.

No, Harry's done with being a working royal.

If the marriage breaks up earlier (and I can see that as a scenario if, for example, Harry tells Meghan he wants to give up his titles, all of them, resign his place in the line of succession, and file for American citizenship - she'd blow a fuse, as she wallows in that title like a pig in shit and she knows without it she's got nothing to market, and she'd ditch him in a heartbeat), and the title is still intact, Harry might have more of a shot at reinserting himself in the family and showing up on the balcony at the Trooping the Colour or that kind of thing. But a working royal on the Sovereign Grant?

That ship has sailed, mate.

I wonder if he ever really appreciates living in California. Maybe the weather is a welcome change. Otherwise it seems he swapped one fishbowl for another.

I always liked Harry's creamy gorilla look in the past. But now he looks unkempt and smelly. I suspect he's into some bi stuff however.

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P William got his first vaccine shot. I am shocked that it took so long. I mean, good for him not jumping the queue but it’s horrifying that Europe is so far behind the US. I wish the US would immediately send them all the vaccine not being used by the morons who don’t want it.

[quote]I wonder if he ever really appreciates living in California. Maybe the weather is a welcome change. Otherwise it seems he swapped one fishbowl for another.

He doesn't even know yet. Wait until life returns to normal. You think Her Megjesty is going to want to stay holed up in Wannabeto or wherever they really call home?

^ Sorry, hit return too soon: it's going to be pap walk after pap walk... there'll be nothing she won't attend, as long as there are cameras.

R379: where'd that quoted bit come from? I'd be curious to read the whole thing. Seems credible.

I give it five to seven... depends how soon things aren't going the way she wants... patience isn't a strong suit. She'll bail quickly, she usually does.

R392 - Britain is doing much better vaccinating their people than Europe. I don't know why William waited so long.

William already had Covid so I suppose technically he was already immune?

Grey rocking is the only way to deal with narcissists. At some point, one has to protect oneself.

Business, R380, Dax's current podcast is on Apple and Haz was on to promote the Apple show with Oprah. Dax likely is told who his guests will be.

Hazbean issued their typical vitriol about the photo but I do not think they have tried to sue. Will be interesting to watch that.

Fire season now, R389.

Rumors are Haz is living at Soho House, Meg and her mother are at a ranch in SB. No word on Merchie or Markus Anderson.

They can drop all the vitriol they like about the photo, but as CA law states that the child's face can only be shown if the parent(s) consent, they'll be shown up again for the manipulative lying hypocrites they are. So no lawsuit, just a casual misrepresentation of the facts, and the paps are not going to out them because they want to keep getting shots of Archie's face. It's a mutual business agreement: the Harkles get to moan about the intrusive press whilst marketing their child's image, and the paps get access to the child's image.

How fucking cynical can you get?

It was telling how the photo was released exclusively to PageSix and not at all picked up in the UK. SS clearly and obviously would have deals with People and PageSix. So much of "journalism" is reprinting PR broadsides.

Wait. They aren't living together at the Montecito mansion? That's odd. Who is feeding the chickens??

People have taken photos of vines growing across the gates, R404, draw your own conclusions.

The chickens were likely props.

Markle never had the goal of fitting into the family, she tried to set Catherine up for pap shots, trashed her via buddy Lainey and was abusive to Charlotte. So of course she was never going to try to fit into The Firm. She CAN if she chooses to, Suits was an ensemble.

Americans and black women can do just fine if that is their goal. MeGain is a dark triad, her actions suggest OTHER goals.

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Narcs ALWAYS take it personally

This will not end well for him

There is a new thread open on the BBC's admission in its report that Martin Bashir used fake documents to lure Diana into the Panorama interview, complete with link to the breaking story on the DM.

PLEASE use that thread for comment on the story and don't open three new ones . . .

R397, yeah, Britain is doing so well that because 51 people have died from the AstraZeneca clots under-40s are now only being given mRNA vaccines. But the UK doesn't have many mRNA doses available so things will be a little slower. William, being under 40, was lucky enough to get either BioNTech Pfizer or Moderna. Shame he'll probably have to wait 3 months for his second shot.

I have always wondered why Harry did not campaign for seatbelt use and against drunk driving?

R411 Because then he would have publicly admitted that the BRF didn't kill his sainted Mum, and that maybe her own stupidity in hooking up with Fayed, dismissing her RPOs, and not wearing a seat belt might have had something to do with it.

He says that trip with sleazy people is when he started drinking, aged 12. Very sad all around.

The "killed his sainted Mum" card will be played again I suspect.

Oh my!

Instead of being stripped of his title couldn't they just publicly strip him and display the "crown jewels"?

Harry doesn't wear the crown jewels, r415.

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R416, I think the "crown jewels" being referred to are the ones Meghan snatched and keeps in her handbag.

I get that r418, but still it's not quite the same thing - although Meghan thought it was.

Both H and M are pretty clearly big city people not country folk, so Montecito never seemed more than a weekend bolthole, a place to relax after a hard week at work.

R404, there are no chickens. They were borrowed.

I mean, does Montecito allow livestock on property?

I just checked. Up to 15 chickens allowed.

Wonder how he will put his foot in his mouth at his next promo for the Apple show?

Bit expensive as a "bolthole."

What's his relationship with the Spencers? Would they accept him back in the fold if he returned to England. They could certainly find him a room at Althorp.

They also urged him to slow dow, which did not go over any better coming from them. Despite the dramatic speech they were not particularly close to the boys growing up.

R425 There is no way Earl Spencer would put him up at Althorp. He didn’t put his own sister up, why would he do that for her wayward, insolent son?

With the recorded convos and vids in private homes and of children, doubt ANYONE is going to want to put Hazbean up, ever. How very Epstein and to do that over time, planning to extort your own FAMILY, no one with ANY sense will do anything but steer clear. Haz was excited to offer her "the family she never had" what a moron. She is a destructive force and has been all her life. I hope the sorority super glue story comes out. She is a psychopath.

R427 "But Uncle Charles, I won't be a bother. Really I won't. It'll just be for a few weeks. You'll hardly know I'm here. And I'll help with the chores if you'd like. Maybe I can mow the lawn."

She should have been nicer to Charles and Cam. She made secret recordings in their home too. This whole plan was rolled out from IG to VF cover to recording the family, even children. Her flying monkeys Jess and the makeup artist were likely involved too. Extortion is a CRIME, I hope steps are being planned. They hounded Philip into his grave and are still going, with WHAT as the goal? They still have titles and they were wealthy before they handed it all over to Sunshine Sucks. This was clearly planned and orchestrated over years, she will turn on him soon enough. The scorpion and the frog comes to mind.

Link for R430

Poppycock! She was secretly recording their homes, conversations and young children!

Who is the hidden hand before all of this? Her takedown scheme was hatched and executed over YEARS.

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James Middleton underwent CBT therapy. That or DBT could be very useful to Harry. Talk therapy seems to be making him more self absorbed and mired in his new career of victimhood. He can't "move on" because then what would he do for a living?

The brothers once had an agreement NOT to discuss their mother in the media unless both were present. This must all be quite sad for William. He has been pushed to help manage Harry's moods since they were very small, quite a burden for another child or even a loving adult to bear.

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Even before all the current fuckery, I hated this Harry GIF.

R436 Wasn’t it nauseating? Seemed so disingenuous and corny, even back then.

Harry has a very punchable face.

The Change.org petition asking him to voluntarily put his titles in abeyance has several thousand signatures. It is open to all regardless of location.

Lady Colin Campbell started this petition to The public

The purpose is to invite Prince Harry to voluntarily ask The Queen to put his royal style, titles and rank into abeyance, thereby freeing him from the diplomatic, political and constitutional constraints that are an inevitable part of royal rank, and further freeing him from the constitutional conflicts which his beliefs are creating, with all their implications at home and abroad, in particular in the United Kingdom and the United States of America, where his articulated beliefs are in open conflict with the accepted tenets of both the United Kingdom and American Constitutions. As a purely private citizen, with no royal rank, style or title, he will be able to indulge his personal beliefs, as is the right of all private citizens, without the consequential possibility of damaging the institution of the Monarchy or relations between Friendly Powers, and will be free to articulate beliefs, no matter how objectionable, without the fallout that is otherwise inevitable as long as he possesses royal status. His invitation to The Sovereign, being of his own accord, will resolve conflicts that would otherwise be inevitable, and will permit him to enjoy the credit of having put both national and international interests above his own, personal ones, in the process gaining him respect that he otherwise will not enjoy.

--------------------------------- After the Dax debacle, I am not certain that Harry wants respect, just $ and to be more and better than William. A rival court taking down the BRF as it were. Not sure there is a better nature to appeal to there.

I hated that he made the Queen a part of it, even though she was cute.

The Queen probably feels quite sad about Harry. She's seen untold numbers of users over her long reign, and knows the danger of unscrupulous people who would take advantage of people in her family's position. It's so obvious, and poor Harry never saw it coming. Boom.

*Referring to the "boom" GIF

William's statement about the devastating effects of pushing paranoia and conspiracy theories, backed up by the tragic consequences of Bashir's lies, is going to put a real crimp in the Sussex plans for a tell-all documentary about Diana, isn't it?

All this Diana stuff rising up from the swamp... let the woman rest, for fucks sake.

That statement will not muzzle me, a strong black woman!

Yes, 443..No matter why Diana had so little peace in her lifetime. Why do people not get why we say..Rest in peace when someone dies.. For her own son to drag her out of her grave just for some dosh$$$ WTH..Who does that..Seriously! Its so low.

Then there is their doc with secretly recorded convos and secret videos of private homes and the Cambs children, R442. Violating their family and potentially creating security risks, extorting them in front of the globe for months, plotting and scheming for YEARS and tormenting his dying elderly grandfather and 95 year old grandmother, all for money and more stuff, it is grotesque elder abuse.

I saw someone on social media ask if Harry plans to dig up her bones and sell them piece by piece. None of this is about health or healing, he and his first wife are evil people, darkness masquerading as the light. I cannot imagine the Apple ratings will be high. And it has been expanded to 5 episodes. Enough. Let the poor woman rest in peace. Go after Bashir and her sleazy brother who Hazbean seems to take after. He did her no favors either.

How sad that the brothers cannot speak today of all days, because of Harry's very poor choice of wife. She will turn on him, it is her pattern. William tried to pass along Diana's advice about taking time to make a wise marriage choice, but imbecile Haz knew best, or saw his opportunity to really stick it to the people who DID love him.

Surely Haz will be asked about this on GMA. Will he remember the Sunshine Sucks script?

R443, exposing Martin Bashir's deceit will allow Diana to rest and hopefully undo some of the damage that the narrative he concocted has done over the years (and which, unfortunately, her son Harry seems determined to continue).

Harry's in a strange spot. On one hand, this plays into his (well founded) distrust of the media. On the other, it highlights the dangers of giving away interviews to people who don't have one's best interests in mind, to be put mildly.

Not a very good example but here goes. JFK Jr. also lost a parent (worse than in a car accident), was raised by one parent in the lap of luxury, went on to study law, started a magazine, got married and became a responsible adult (no inside scoops on dysfunctional POTUS, no interviews on living parent's psychological history...). John Jr. is the opposite of Harry.

John Jr. didn't leverage at every turn, the death of his father. He accepted his fate, he matured into a respectable, mature and charismatic and loving adult. He did not gather the media around to pontificate on "mental health" or other personal issues to make money, leverage dead parent, etc etc. He was a good brother to his sister, aunts, uncles, nieces and neghews.

Contrast this with spoiled, petulant, arrogant "PRINCE" Harry, the foreigner in his foreign land holed up in a house he can't afford (not yet anyway), married a woman whose moods and vindictive behaviour he can't control and/or is unaware, his own reputation (what's left of it) tanking by the day and thinks he's a great businessman scoring all these media deals based on exposing lies/untruths he continues to indulge knowing the pain inflicted within his own family.

All this chat about mental health is sure, likely what afflicts Harry. But I am thinking what is really afflicting Harry is just the fact that he was reared with no boundaries. His "sky's the limit" philosophy he grew up with as a teenager doesn't work so well when you're nearing 40, largely unemployed, stalking and abusing your family from across the ocean on SM, international interviews, documentaries, movies, etc.

Sky's-the-Limit Harry needs to have his titles removed. Let him deal with his own mess by himself.

Just a little bit of history repeating.

Exercising a grudge against the BRF by a mentally unwell prodigal exile. Manipulated by an unscrupulous “journalist” who was absolutely thrilled to egg them on to spill their spite.

Exactly, R451. Harry won't remotely see the parallels, though.

R450, anyone from any country can sign this petition inviting him to put his titles in voluntary abeyance, thus "freeing himself" from the BRF.

Spot on, R451. Harry is on GMA tomorrow to promote the Apple show, think the 1st one airs tomorrow night. His only career is exploting his dead mother and abusing his living family, no indication he is rethinking how history is repeating.

Harry claims he started drinking, aged 12, when his mother took him around the sleazy, druggy, exploitative predators on the Fayed yacht (bought to woo her it is said). Sad but maybe at almost 40 it is time to take himself in hand? He sees no parallels between Bashir and Orca/Gayle King? Fayed and Marcus Anderson (and whoever HIS backers are) not to mention Scoobie Do?

R450 John Jr had the advantage of a very strong mother, well into his adulthood. Remember that he only took up flying after she died because -- knowing him too well -- she'd forbidden it while she was alive.

Harry had Charles.

It wasn't a fair comparison, r455 and I noted that upfront. But you can still take certain "lessons" from one person and how that person handled fame, etc. Harry is just not in that club.

JFK Jr. may not have been a genius, but he wasn't intellectually challenged. Harry is. Even with lots of coaching he can barely keep to the script he has been given. Genetic damage as opposed to generational damage. Unable to even match dates w. Megan's tale as to when the infamous...What color will children be? And other blunders.. I've written before about what a Dull Normal individual is, including the behaviors that accopany the intellectual short fall.

John Jr. was also not the brightest bulb but he worked at it and wanted an actual career, not to monteize and exploit his dead loved ones.

William had Charles too, r455, and William is level-headed, humble, tough, resilient, believes in duty and service, solid, dependable, has a strong family base and is honouring his mother in the best way possible. Harry is just an entitled, spoilt brat.

R425 - Harry has basically no relationship with the Spencers. For all his Uncle Charles' (guilt-driven) blustering at Diana's funeral, said Uncle moved his family to South Africa where the kids mostly grew up. They had little to no contact with their mother's family, even her two sisters who live in England. William has more relationship with the Middletons than he does with the Spencers.

Ironically, if Harry had married Chelsy, daughter of a very rich South African landowner, with pots of money of her own, and they had as a married couple spent more time in South Africa, the relationship with the Spencers might have grown.

Another own goal by Harry.

R459 To be fair -- hard as that is in this case -- William was groomed by Charles and his grandparents to be King. I can't imagine Harry got anywhere near the same attention.

Harry has LD and has had emotional regulation and anger issues since he was a very small child.

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Or Harry got double attention, r461, because he was the little one and his mother had died and he wasn't going to be king so could be indulged more, while there was a certain specified path to follow with William.

A smarter man wouldn't have envied his brother. William gets more money and attention, but his life is also pre-determined. Harry could have chosen any profession he liked and would have had the full support and resources of his family behind him. You can't put a price on that kind of freedom, a freedom William will never know.

Harry was told before his wedding that he could give up being a working royal and live his life as he chose. His wife could have continued on with her acting career. Harry and Meghan could have moved to California and left only goodwill behind them. The fact that they didn't comes down to the fact that they are both lazy, greedy, vindictive liars.

Good point r465.

Can you image if he became a doctor or really did charity work. He would have had England at his feet

He really fucked up

Harry is a spiteful child in a man's body. This was mid-life Harry, in PUBLIC no less.

He has always struggled a bit, LD, anger issues and has never seemed to find a good fit career that is w/in his capabilities. He said he felt afraid flying helicopters, it was likely beyond him. He needs something like DBT, CBT or even a 12 step program of some sort to start learning emotional regulation and accountability. A good neuropsych eval might help. He appears to still be using, that is not helping either. Yes he had trauma and may have been indulged and managed but it all started as a very young child. This is not an unlikely arc if you have known such kids IRL. The choice of career and spouse even more than most makes them.

Harry barely graduated from prep school, with teachers helping him cheat, R466. Becoming a doctor was not in his wheelhouse. And that is ok. But burning the world down is not good for him or a viable career path.

If Harry had come from a blue collar background he may have been happier. As it is, with his wealth, he attracts predators.

The BRF should have found a way to leave Harry in his toy career in the Army. Did he deserve to be a senior officer? Nope, but there have been plenty of incompetent senior officers. The damage could have been easily negated, he'd have been happy, and he wouldn't have been prey to people like Meghan. She'd be in Toronto married to that chef and acting as queen of her little social set. She might have been happier, too.

His wealth and a supportive family were his greatest assets with his significant limitations. Now how much has been squandered on Sunshine Sucks and his family rx are in tatters.

It is said that even as a very young child he had anger issues, even by his mother. As such kids grow, that neurological issue/challenge to manage can get externalized, looking for an outside "cause." He was a sitting duck for someone who got him off all his meds and who has played him like a fiddle. Now it appears she is setting him up as the fall guy. She will take his money, reputation and kids, she has already taken his family and lifelong friends. He is loathesome but it is sad. And parents of kids like this are right to worry how they will fare in life, even as kids avoid them at parties. Haz covered up how developmentally off he was with a lot of drinking and carousing far past the age most grow up. He said he has always felt different, as is common for people with these challenges. The self medication needs to stop.

This BBC finding SHOULD alter his career plans but seemingly will not. He is becoming a laughingstock. This is not likely to end well for him. Sad for him and the people who do love him.

He has dead eyes now. Him repeatedly asking recently relapsed Dax Sheppard to go drive dune buggies with him was a bit startling.

His friends and family did try. Whatever amount she demanded to leave before the wedding looks like a bargain now. Philip would likely be alive too.

R469 But wasn't his time in the army a young man's out-with-the-lads life? Could he happily transition to being a senior officer? Aren't the higher ranks of the British army stuffier and more regimented than the RF?

r386 r388 Superb brilliant posts.Great astute analysis.

r466 What does LD stand for please?

Learning disabilities, R474.

Harry's new accusations

Thought it was Leering Dickhead

r475 Of course-Thank you.

Can anyone paste the text from The Telegraph?

What is up with the hand gesture? Is it something from Agape Center? Scientology? Some Soho House secret signal?

The Duke of Sussex has accused the Royal family of "total neglect" and of "bullying him into silence" as he said the Prince of Wales had told him that as he had suffered, his sons would suffer too.

Prince Harry, 36, underwent a highly personal therapy session on camera for his new Apple TV documentary series, discussing traumatic memories from his childhood.

He spoke extensively about his struggles with mental health and his disconnect with his family’s attitudes to the subject.

The Duke said that he and the Duchess of Sussex were subjected to such a level of harassment on social media that he felt “completely helpless” and assumed that his family would help.

“Every single ask, request, warning, whatever it is, to stop just got met with total silence or total neglect,” he said.

“We spent four years trying to make it work. We did everything that we possibly could to stay there and carry on doing the role and doing the job.”

The Duke described over the first three episodes of the series, The Me You Can’t See, released on Friday, how he had come to realise that he needed to address the trauma he experienced following the death of his mother, Diana, Princess of Wales.

He told co-presenter Oprah Winfrey that his family had not spoken about her death and just expected him to deal with the paparazzi and press intrusion.

“My father used to say to me when I was younger, he used to say to both William and I, ‘Well it was like that for me so it’s going to be like that for you,’” he said.

“That doesn’t make sense. Just because you suffered doesn’t mean that your kids have to suffer, in fact quite the opposite - if you suffered, do everything you can to make sure that whatever negative experiences you had, that you can make it right for your kids.”

The Duke revealed that he was told to “play the game” and his life would be easier.

But he added: “I‘ve got a hell of a lot of my mum in me. The only way to free yourself and break out is to tell the truth.”

He also revealed that when the Duchess, 39, felt suicidal, she had not gone through with it because it would have been “unfair” on him, having already lost his mother.

He said he was ashamed it had got “that bad” but that he was also too ashamed to go to his family, because he knew they could not give him what he needed.

“That was one of the biggest reasons to leave, feeling trapped and feeling controlled through fear, both by the media and by the system itself which never encouraged the talking about this kind of trauma,” he said.

“Certainly now I will never be bullied into silence.”

He will never be bullied into silence? LOL Such big talk from someone who moved across the world to get away from newspaper articles and social media trolls instead of just not googling himself and setting social media posts to not allow comments.You dont need to move across the globe to deal with those two issues. I bet they both still google themselves and search hashtags and posts on social media connected to the topic of themselves.

He sounds more and more insane.

He really inherited his mother's instability and at around the same age went completely off the rails. I have heard that hormonal shifts in midlife can really worsen mental issues. Of course, those around him are stoking his problems.

If my partner is suicidal, I will move heaven and hell to get them help. I'm not going to depend on others. Especially if I have the resources. What the fuck is this bullshit? Are they that insane with bitterness?

r486 I think it is a combination of jealousy ,bitterness and tying themselves into a thousand double and triple knots because of all their lies and dishonesty and the increasingly obvious glaring mismatch between their words and deeds. What a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive! So many of their lies and changing stories are binding them into impossible misshapen positions.

As Lady Colin Campbell would say its farcical!

TRF already had experience w. a mentally challenged member in Edwardian times w. Prince John who was locked away from public view. Obviously they were not going to take this tack w. Harry. They knew: his mental state. Diane being told he was not smart enough for Eton(she insisted he had to go). Photos of her screaming into his angry, convoluted face even as a young child. The army with its ability to structure & script people's lives was ideal for him. His being aware he was not bright enough to advance made him angry, so he threw his toys out of the pram & left. He even said became rudderless when his line in succession slipped down when the Cambridge children were born. Its not possible to do any effective interventions at this point, while he can be a $$ or power spinner for Meghan, Doria, Agape, Oprah, Gail, CBS. Not until he is a hollow husk will they let go of him. F-cking Vampires the lot of them. Perhaps when they let go & his substance abuse accelerates he can get some help. A de-tox, followed by rehab, then a job in a structured, sheltered work program would suit his mental capabilities very well. He really has never been capable of an independent life.

Oprah Winfrey is mad, bad and dangerous to know. She should be ashamed, but she's as bonkers as him, so can't be. A great fat shark, always in pursuit.

What the fuck exactly did he want the BRF to do about social media trolls? Stop all duties and work to find the people who offended Megnut? What a bunch of whiny babies.

r490 Precisely .Is is the height of immaturity the expectations they have and also a sign of a very unhealthy degree of control freakery in their personalities.Ties in with his first ammendment comments and stuff in Lady Colin Campbells book about them saying Meghan was trying to impress upon Harry why freedom of speech is a problem.

Social media trolls and googling news about yourself is possible anywhere in the world.The idea you have to move across the globe to get away from it is risible when you can just stop searching on the internet and I bet they google and search social media posts about themselves DAILY. Moving home is not a solution.Not looking up stuff about yourself on the internet is.

He is not really capable of an independent life, R488.

There is a rumor he is getting "therapy through a church" has to be Agape cult but I am really wondering about Scienos. A Scieno commercial ran during Oprah's interview.

The family must be so angry at him and worried for him. A mentally ill family member is horrific esp when addiction is in the mix.

He is deliberately being manipulated to be worse so they can all profit and have a go at the BRF. Who is funding all of this? The recordings went on for YEARS. This is beyond Harry, clearly.

r492 how many years? Are you saying he did recordings covertly himself Pre Meghan?

Oprah is a disgusting pig.

I believe the recordings started while they were dating, and they have been married for years, so, years.

They "worked" for 4 years? Really?

How did he come up with the "four years" number? Also, what exactly did he expect The Queen to do? Issue a proclamation for people to stop being meanies to two nearly 40-year old adults?

A play right out of the trump book. Keep telling a lie until gullible people believe it. They barely worked and took a ton of "breaks."

r496 Harry is becoming estranged from the truth including even basic facts.

r495 That is shameless behaviour but also self defeating Many in Elite circles in hollywood,showbusiness, politics and commerce will know they are untrustworthy malicious schemers and will not want to get entangled or involved with them.

[quote]He also revealed that when the Duchess, 39, felt suicidal, she had not gone through with it because it would have been “unfair” on him, having already lost his mother.

My, how generous of her. She didn't want to live for her own son? Wouldn't get to invoke St. Diana in that.

[quote]He said he was ashamed it had got “that bad” but that he was also too ashamed to go to his family, because he knew they could not give him what he needed.

He should be too ashamed for being a nearly middle-aged man who admits he wouldn't do anything to help his depressed wife, without running to his family to fix everything. He's never been able to do anything on his own.

How about being invested in his nutty wife not killing his CHILD?

Hazbean thinks his mom would be proud? Gurl, please! She was often visibly impatient with Harry from toddlerhood and was heavily emotionally invested in William being king. She would be HORRIFIED by what Dim is doing. I remembered one boy getting a head injury, thought it was Henry, as that would explain a lot. But nope, it was Will who had surgery for a depressed skull fracture, and yes, Charles did leave the hospital for the opera.

I do think the parents loved them to the best of their somewhat limited abilities, and gave them more affection then they had recieved as children. but both were self absorbed and prone to drama and self pity, respectively.

But, by 40, should have had a career. He will go down in history as an unstable addict who tried to destroy his own family. That is not "breaking cycles of pain," that is causing it, and elder abuse as well. Anyone who abuses animals should never be allowed to have children. The Narkles are trash.

Not buying this suicide story at all. Two adults couldn't figure out how to get her to a doctor? Harry claims he didn't go to his family out of shame, and she claims they denied her help. Which is it? Then MeGain claims that Harry cradled her and she was suddenly all better?

r502 The royals got psychiatric and psychological help for Diana very early on in the marriage .Princess Margaret too and possibly the Duchess of Kent who suffered very bad depression in the 1970s after a miscarriage. According to Lady Colin Campbell Prince Philips mother was an early scholar or something of human psychology.

It is a MYTH that the royals turn a blind eye to mental health issues and ignore or feel it is taboo.

This misconception is being played on.

According to the Express Harry views himself as going to war against the royal family.

A futile endeavour he will ultimately lose. Arguably he is already losing as increasing numbers of people are losing sympathy for him and any significant interest in his so called plight and issues.Sympathy and interest are limited things and Harry is using up lots of other peoples patience and goodwill. But how does this grudge match and vindictive vendetta tie in with the compassionate message he pretends to believe? There will be no peace of mind or long term satisfaction for him going down this path.

What could his end goals be, R503? He wanted a public apology to MeGain, any other specific demands?

r504 I suspect large guarantees of huge financial support for the rest of his natural feature heavily too. He is consumed by jealousy.

He is a spoilt out of touch brat.

Where is the wife? Has the surrogate given birth?

Cautionary tale, pay attention Haz

BlondeAmbition: Child’s Book Author/Humanitarian @BlondeandDeaf · 1h Replying to @MatthewRyerson

@BaronessBruck and @RoyalReporter Remember what Oprah did to Lindsay Lohan? Said she wanted to help and then exploited the crap out of her

The suicidal Meghan story is so crazy. They are both adults, they could seek help themselves. Bringing the family into is just using her (alleged) suicidal ideation as a cudgel against them. And claiming that she didn't go through with it because it would be unfair to him gives substance to the perception that she's got him wrapped around her finger.

The world media will eat this Apple TV thing up because of the BRF bashing. And Harry thinks he's helping others by doing it.

Oprah is the absolute scum of the earth.

I get Daily Mail updates on Facebook and they are making me laugh with all the whiny Harry articles from the Apple show.

Maybe this is my stoic Midwest upbringing talking but I would think all this public whining would be a liability for Harry. I wouldn’t trust Harry to keep any confidentiality when he is airing this all out. Plus it makes him look like an unstable basket case.

The problem for Harry now, as I see it, is he's polarised his experience. You either believe him or you don't, you either care or you don't. No one wonders. He's blabbed too much. My view, whatever happened, he can't see it clearly and his first wife is twisting it for her own again, so I don' t believe him and I don't care.

Calculating, ham-fisted, unlikeable, inescapable. I haven't felt this unable to avoid since Brangelina.

He even shows his calming exercises, this is so cringey

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^ The fun thing is you know Harry's first wife reads all the Daily Mail stories aloud to Harry each day, so they will be going nuts. I'd almost feel sorry for their original PR firm. (In the spirit of first wife, think it's probably reasonable to refer to the original PR firm as the original PR firm as the day will come it is replaced due to temper tantrum and self inflicted bad publicity.)

Tom Lewis @morghewpark Anybody else getting the impression that #PrinceHarry is turning into a one-trick pony, with bitching about his treatment by the Royal Family being his only means of attracting interest, earning a living and supporting his family? #passthesickbucket

Wah! Wah! Wah! The man who spent the first 3 years of his marriage bulling everyone in his path , along with his low rent whore wife, now cries like a little bitch for sympathy and ratings. Stick a fucking pacifier in his mouth and shut him up.

@R517-- typo- Bullying, bulling. Still. WAH! 🍼🍼🍼🍼👶👶👶👶

Pedo Andy! But Kate's skirts! RACISM! And rescue chickens! And anti-first-wife-bias.

Aw, shit... we're losing this, aren't we?

It's as if Harry and Meghan made a checklist of every "woke" (sorry, but it's descriptive) issue or trope, and shoehorned them into their "story" – racism, feminism, mental health, inequity, etc.

R520- Exactly. And just like everything they do , they do it too late. People are sick to death of the woke crowd and SJW's. Especially when you grew up with servents, castles, luxury vacations, the best of everything. The royal family should throw them both into a dank, dark dungeon for a few months. Give them something to really bitch about.

I believe he is now saying visiting London is a bad trigger for him . If that's the case why did he originally ask for a half in half out arrangement which would have required lots of trips to London? Infact a lot of their claims NOW make no sense in the context of them originally asking for a half in half out arrangement which they seem to want us to forget they asked for. It's almost as if they are lying.....

R522- lol. Yes, and they can not even keep the lies straight at all. They are just objects of derision now. Orca Whale is done now too. Not even a drop of respect left.

They just make it up as they go along. He's a stupid as everyone thought and she evidently isn't much brighter... she plays the game ambitiously but she has no understanding of the game she's playing. She's exhausting any benefit of the doubt on volume. Her antics may stir stupid people who come her and call us Klan Grannies at every turn but the people she wants, the people she aspires to be... they're looking at this obvious creature and starting to steer clear. You think the Obamas are going near these two? The best she's got is loony Orca and from there it's a hundred foot drop onto Chrissy Tiger or whatever she's called.

Spent without the self respect or common sense to go quiet. They are not shining light on mental illness they are pimping their privacy for attention and sympathy.

For those who forget the deal they originally wanted. (Which Charles was reportedly willing to give them, oye. )

Harry went from crowing the BRF would be the "family she never had" to trying to take down the BRF. What a malign influence she has had. Who are her backers? The Narkles are not paying tens of millions to Sunshine Sucks on their own.

Only 1 podcast so far, Spotify and Netflix don't pay more for LESS, unlike his prior deal with BRF.

I guess “giving interviews” is the job now.

Not for long if they get ratings like VaxLive, R527.

R528 Well, eventually they will run out of material.

One can only HOPE, R529!

It is going to end in tragedy for Dim and likely for at least one of his kids. It is so obvious.

Harry has had issues with anger all his life, his family and palace PR have shielded him from the consequences of his actions.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't there a major change in how access to the BRF, especially the children, changed after Diana's death? What terrible media trauma did Harry endure after the funeral? Even into adulthood, the media covered the majority of his public issues and made him look like a war hero, for God's sake.

And his resurrected memories of being with Diana when she was driving madly away from the press, crying the whole time. And it was "every day" until her death, according to him. Did she actually drive herself and the children around that much? I know she refused the security teams offered by the BRF. Seems Harry leaves that out as well.

He also mentioned that William got him into therapy after he left the military and was having a lot of trouble. Strange that's not mentioned now, like we're supposed to forget.

The dude is so damn neurotic, digging up every half-remembered slight, moment of hurt feelings and anger, all the second hand info about his mother's last days that he's now absorbed. Neither of her sons were there.

And the family never discussed Diana after her death? Please. It's come to light that his grandfather was writing to her and actually supported her in the divorce. And what about the "wonderful" Spencers, the ones he talked to about his engagement and invited to the wedding? What did they do, or not do for him? Was it only his father and grandparents who neglected the poor little boy?

Kind of like that supposed conversation with someone about Archie's possible skin color. Now it's the entire BRF are racist. Too convoluted and getting worse.

Did the thread re: Apple and MeGain's suicide claims get nuked?

r533 What did the thread say?

Sorry, R534, was not ignoring you. Was on the naughty step and unable to post for a few hours after my post above. It had a slew of links to various DM articles today. Some mental health professionals posted about how destructive to self what he is doing is. Shame it was only up for a few hours. Not sure what the final posts were, SS tends to target threads about MeGain and that former boyband member.

Drugs through your formative teen years can really fuck a person up.

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Lady C's change.org petition re: Haz is almost to 15k. Open to all, any country.

r535 Threads about a boyband member? The rather sexy and shaggable Harry Styles?🤔

I wonder what the level of interest in their tales and interviews of woe and grievance will be a year or two from now? It seems unsustainable in the medium term not just the long term.

You can look at the KGT post history, R539.

I think there will be some vid or doc put out, besides the secret films and recorded convos one, that will allege that the BRF killed his mother. I think the goal is the takedown of the BRF.

r541 I don't see that goal succeeding. I think people are starting to not put much stock in what they say and their ability to shock is diminishing. They have played their hand exceptionally badly.

His thoughts and language are nonsensical.

Prince Harry told Oprah that Meghan didn't kill herself because she didn't want him to lose another woman he loved

'The scariest thing for her was her clarity of thought,' he said. 'She hadn't lost it. She wasn't crazy. She wasn't self-medicating, be it through pills or by alcohol. She was absolutely sober. She was completely sane.

'Yet in the quiet of night, these thoughts woke her up.'

He says he now would like to focus on his son, Archie, 'rather than every time I look in his eyes wonder whether my wife is going to end up like my mother, and I'm going to have to look after him myself.'

NO HARRY, being suicidal or a narc gaslighting a partner is not "completely sane" it is INSANE. I think he is being broken down by the perfume, the repeated involking of experienced and theoretical trauma. He does not make sense.

Never once does either mention concerns for this pregnancy, safety planning, etc. THAT might help peoiple, prenatal and postnatal depression are common and rarely discussed, but doing that would a) require it to have happened and b) shift the focus from attacking his family.

Harry is floundering.

I think for many, pity is about to tip into contempt or complete disinterest. What then? This blog piece hits a lot of good points.

I pity Prince Harry - opinion I used to like him. I sympathised with him because of what happened to his mother. Then I began to dislike him when the whole Megxit stuff happened. Then I grew tired of him, and a little outraged by him for continually taking shots at his own family.

Now…I just pity him.

It seems to me that he is clearly a troubled soul. I’ve always felt that he has a lot of resentment in him, and we can see that he is far from over his mother’s death. I think he’s like a lost boy, desperately looking for a way of easing his inner pain but unable to find anything that works.

Now he thinks that baring his soul to the world will bring him peace. ‘A problem shared is a problem halved,’ right? He seems unconcerned about the damage this is doing to his own family, and is happy to talk about his innermost feelings to anybody who’ll listen.

I just worry that once people lose interest in hearing his woes he’ll be tossed aside like a squeezed lemon and realise that his troubles are still unresolved. He will have destroyed his relationship with his family, caused untold pain to said family, and for what? For nothing.

I really think Harry should consider living a truly private life. Keep doing Archewell but remain in the background and deal with his deep seated issues in private with a professional therapist, not with Oprah to a bunch of fee-paying subscribers.

In talking about his self-medication with drugs and alcohol the silly twat dealt his wife a card to be used against him in the inevitable divorce / custody case.

Nothing says "I value privacy" more than inviting cameras into your THERAPY SESSION for cash.

Your actions and your words do not match Hazbean.

Harry looks downright evil in those pics. I think this is a big tantrum thrown by a spoiled rotten man-child. I also think they REALLY fear those bullying charges. It is rumored that they both, but her especially, were monstrous.

In this article it talks of Harry saying he feels he is still part of the system and the only way ONLY way lol 😁😁😂😂 is to speak the truth or rather his version of the truth. If he released wants to break free of the royal system why doesn't he give up royal titles , stop expecting his royal relatives and the UK government to give him money and paid security and ask to be taken OUT of the line of succession. He has options and choices. Pretty obvious ones which he chooses not to use. So he's conflicted about the duties and the role but not conflicted about the money , privileges and titles??? How interesting and how odd.

What about the mental health of his family? His children? Disgusting, Harry. Disgusting and so disingenuous.

r549 Typed too quickly in post r549 Meant to say Hazza said he wants to break free from the system but feels he can't and claims only way he can break free is by speaking 'the truth'.

Borrowing this comment:

Do you remember when Harry gave a speech about his mental health issues at an event organized by Goldman Sachs? One of the attendees, speaking anonymously, said it reminded him of a maudlin drunk sitting at the end of the bar, morosely telling everyone within earshot how everyone in his life had done him wrong.

Harry wants to live like a king for no work on his part and no restrictions whatsoever, it is as simple as that. He wants a court to rival and BEST his brother.

You mean sobbing his truth for money and spite? 🤔

Exactly, R554.

They also want NO criticism of the Narkles to be allowed. They want a quasi-Messianistic role and riches. They should form a cult, that is what they want the world to be for them.

r553 It's a childishly fantasy- Give me everything I want , no restrictions, no questions, no terms and conditions. It's disturbing he seems incapable of evolving past that and feeling aggrieved his fantasy hasn't been facilliated by others.

r552 Perfect summary of this fools mentality.

As Lady Colin Campbell says its farcical.

R555- Interesting that you should mention a cult b/c many think they are getting advice from the one Doria has been apart of for decades. OW has ties to the same one as well. Agape is the name of it.

He really could benefit from some kind of 12 step take responsibility type intervention. Other addicts or drunks would rip his delusions to shreds.

Oprah also has ties to Scientology, R557. That might shed light on the rumor of Meghan taking Harry off all his psych meds.

Meghan attended Agape when she lived with her mother.

R559-This was probably trf's biggest fear, that nefarious groups such as this would get their hands on Harry and exploit his mental illness. Sadly, they most certainly have.

Is OP going to start a part two thread?

r560 You mean part three?!

I am this threads OP but not OP of part one!

Yes I think a part 3 is likely soon given the rate of posting!

Sorry Angel, lol! These threads are flying by!

r558 You can take a horse to water but you cant make it drink. I dont think he has the mentality or attitude towards taking personal responsibility.Especially if it requires sustained serious effort and might be difficult at times .He shows no sign of being inclined in that direction. They both seem to give up when things get difficult and walk away .Difficulties are for lesser mortals who cant just up and move to the other side of the planet when life gets difficult or when internet trolls and newspapers say 'mean' things.

r562 No worries! Im enjoying it and feel like I am learning more too!

The Daily Mail literally has 15 or 20 articles on Harry today - the interview from every possible angle. I did like the one about how empty their house is and how it is barely decorated - DL is already on top of that one!

r565 Maybe a Daily Mail journalist first learnt about the empty looking house from reading datalounge? That paper certainly employs more than a few gay journalists and editors who are the type to be dataloungers eg Andrew Pierce.

R565-- Really good point! They have been left alone by the media until now. Now the media will be checking out all of their shady stories. The empty house, the charity, and her mysterious pregnancies. Becarefull what you wish for, Harkles.

Pls correct me if I am wrong but I believe the relo strategy is known in 12 step parlance as "doing a geographic" or in Buddhism as "wherever you go, there you are."

Some say that Harry is living at Soho House and drinking heavily. No wonder he wanted druggie recently relapsed Dax for a playmate.

Harry saw Cali as a geographic solution to his life, MeGain saw it as a community property state.

That boy, his head is just not wired right, and the booze and drugs are not helping.

His creepy NLP scrips re: his wife dying are paranoid and delusional, no wonder he is decompensating if he ruminates on that all day. Wonder if his wife is still wearing his mother's fav perfume. Gaslight IRL is not so fun to watch.

For more on what he seems to repeat to himself over and over see link. Creepy AF. Who is putting these paranoid, grandiose and morbid delusional ideas in his head?

Meghan critics 'won't stop until she dies' Harry says as he admits taking drugs

She is going to use these utterances in her family court case, have NO doubt.

Druggies always like to talk about using but he seems to have lost ANY sense of boundaries and self interest. Maybe international media like Oprah and Dax are not the place, kwim?

Emperor Harry has NO clothes as a humanitarian, go away Hazbeen!

r570 So he can criticise other people and throw inflammatory accusations against them in public but nobody should be allowed to criticise Meghan.

Meghan critics BAD

Harry throwing criticism at others GOOD

That is what he is saying in essence boils down too. He is worryingly showing autocratic tendencies and incredible entitlement.

No wonder he doesnt believe in the first amendment.

Him tipping his hand that going to Nepal was a burden on him and that he felt NO genuine empathy for earthquake survivors or when he spoke out against child marriage should exclude him from any future faux humanitarian posturing. It guarantee he will NEVER be a working royal again in this lifetime. The palace PR did a Herculian job with that souless fraud. He has cancelled himself with his own mouth.

He will soon find himself poorer and childless, again thanks to his running his mouth.

He has a Messiah complex about his speech, the rest of the world rightly holds him accountable for his words and actions. Meghan is going to make a lawyer very happy - easy divorce with so much to work with and a big payday.

r574 The divorce will be a mess on both sides.A real unholy mess.Her claims of nearly committing suicide whilst pregnant could also be used against her.

What is this miscellaneous BS now? Archie's first words were "Grandma Diana"? (yeah, and I have a nice bridge to sell)

He was afraid to attend his grandfather's funeral? Like maybe treating your family like dog doo-doo, and doing everything you can to destroy their lives shouldn't have an effect? Didn't seem to stop him from acting out though.

He does seem like the cultists, person- addicted nebbish that gets twitchy and falls apart when his goddess is not there.

This seems to be escalating, and very sad his goddess/ wife doesn't intervene to get him help. Seems like the worst episodes of Intervention, before the addict is confronted.

Archie's first words were probably get me TF outta here.

Part 3 for when it is time for people to move over soon!

Archie’s first words: “Da Fuq?!

☝️🤣

r578 Highly likely!

With regards to what I said in r572 This is the real nasty counterproductive and damaging side of elevating the idea of speaking your truth that your analysis and understanding becomes so one sided and self involved that double standards and doublethink are inevitable.I cannot see how deifying such an approach helps people evolve and grow.Quite the opposite.

I think his first word may have been "HELP!"

r581 God knows what he will reveal to school teachers when he comes of age.

That poor child. They are not mature enough, or mentally fit enough to be responsible for a young child.

I hope the details of the sorority/superglue/stalking incident come out. Markle makes Tiegen look like Mother Theresa.

r584 I dare say it being save for a rainy day and may prove unhelpful to her and useful to her opponents if she ever tries to run for political office.

not that I rate her chances of even winning primaries in political elections but all the same it is ammunition that can be used against her at the right time to raise questions about her character.

r575 Changing narrative really amounts to changing lies or rotating the lies. They are trying to hard to be seen as extraordinary with all of these anecdotes tailoredt o fit the narrative of the moment they are after at that time.

It makes him seen as an unstable liar, R586.

Cheated to graduate school.

R587- Yes, unhinged, really. It is very striking.

His mother did not get him at all.

r587 Prince Harry wont have the self awareness to realise that. He is too entitled and as Sharon Osborne said he is the poster boy for white priviledge not the antithesis of it.

R590- As others have said here, Diana looked uncomfortable with Harry. Exasperated, really. She was always having to reign in his behavior, it seemed. I do imagine he was an exhausting child to deal with .

I'm probably wrong, but isn't there a theory floating around that some people stay emotionally stunted at the age when one of their parents die suddenly?

Also, bet your bottom dollar that one of the Sussex spawn will have some kind of learning or emotional "disability" that St. Meghan will have to suffer through.

It can happen with trauma, R593. That said, Harry had anger issues and learning disabilities long before that, before her death and even before his parents divorce.

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‘No one was talking about it,’ he replies, shaking his head. That seems utterly astonishing, even by Windsorian standards of upper lip fortitude. Perhaps there was something good on telly that week? Dogs to walk, pheasants to strangle, chandeliers to starch? Or whatever it is that these royal fuddy-duds do when they should be unburdening themselves of toxic emotions while striving to maintain good mental health practices. Anyway, now we know why Harry was so quiet during the Oprah-Meghan interview; he was saving all the plums in his pudding of hurt to serve up here, piping hot and juicy in a sequel designed to cause equal damage.

We dutifully go over many of the same events, only this time they are told from his perspective. The Duchess of Sussex, whose past thoughts of suicide are given another airing, does not appear. Yet there are moments when it still feels like we are listening to her voice. ‘I heard someone say pain that is not transformed gets transmitted,’ says Harry. ‘That is basically projection, right?’ he says elsewhere.

He talks of processing, of learning journeys, of triggering, of being trapped in a thought process, of being corralled in a negative mindset. None of it seems to make him any happier.

It is important, I think, to remember that Prince Harry is not a mental health professional and has no training, proficiency or expertise in this field. Yet that does not stop him talking as if he is, at one stage even mansplaining the global mental health consequences of the pandemic as if he were Sigmund Freud explaining his theory of the id at the University of Vienna.

‘The one thing we can agree on is that everyone has experienced a different version of the same thing. This year has surely proven that 99.9 per cent, if not 100 per cent of us, have now officially all experienced some form of trauma or some form of grief or loss,’ booms Harry. Such nonsense. Officially, we haven’t, unofficially we haven’t, what the hell is he going on about?

Yet Oprah merely nods along, tickling the lovely royal trout she landed a long, long time ago. Yes, Harry’s hurt is awful to behold, something that is seeded into his psyche like a crop he feels he must harvest over and over again, an itch that must be scratched. Yet it is not grief that fuels him, but anger. He wants to punish someone, but who?

His interest in mental health is clearly genuine and in a short time he has become fluent in therapy-speak, although with a princely tendency to drift when monologue-ing into a camera.

Despite his emotional literacy, one wonders how much he really has in common with his new audience, despite the trouble he has taken to turn his wealth, pedigree and fame into the kind of relatable millstones that say: ‘I suffer, too.’

Particularly as, at the end of this five-hour suffer-fest also known as The Me Me Me You Can’t See, many viewers will be left wondering what on earth was the point of it all, except to burnish the victim credentials of all who took part?

Prince Harry has walked onto the stage of American life and given it all he has got – a tragic backstory. He means well, of course he does, but without his royal role he has no clarity of function, only a vague, inchoate, hippy-dippy wish to be some sort of public healer.

Again and again, we returned to the churning parade ground of his own troubles, to where he still hears the echo of the horses’ hooves that rang down the streets of London on the day of his mother’s funeral. It is overwhelming, it is exhausting, but perhaps not in the way he wishes.

paddy007, surrey, United Kingdom, 5 hours ago

He said he had 4 years of therapy. Well he should get a refund.

Vegas Myn, Las Vegas, United States, 1 hour ago

Harry is not a narcissist but he is being abused by a narcissist. The gaslighting alone has to be awful, and that barely compares to the other tricks in her 'devil's toolkit': denial, deflection, silent treatments, verbal abuse (and quite possibly physical), devaluation etc. What is appalling in this, and what will bite Oprah (and Gayle) in the a. Ss, is when the end result of their eager participation in this abuse causes Harry to completely dissolve (either emotionally where he will need to be sectioned --commited) or physically (and we all know that horrible outcome), what are you going to SAY Oprah? Because in addition to blaming MM, people on BOTH side of the pond...in the world, will blame YOU.

Matt..., S.Wales, United Kingdom, 5 hours ago

Everything he says sounds like it's in her voice. He's clearly dim, nasty and bitter but this goes beyond that. He's been programmed to be rolled out and spout all of this word vomit whilst ensuring to get in how much of a victim, hero and Saint Markle is to try and change perception of her.

LadyNoThanks, Portland, United States, 5 hours ago

I think these video will come back to haunt him in the eventual custody battle. Hes clearly unwell and being exploited.

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His words could have a destructive effect on people far more vulnerable than him — and with none of the privilege he enjoys

And yes, it is indeed OK to be open about your feelings. But it is never OK to tell the public falsehoods about your family to shore up your role as tragic hero in an endless drama with no resolution. It is not OK to treat mental health as a sort of celebrity spectacle.

What happened to the charming, popular man with the successful Army career, the inspirational founder of the Invictus Games, the huge asset to the Royal Family? What happened to the boy so at ease in his father’s company (as I witnessed personally, on more than one occasion)? He could tease him with an affection that can’t be faked.

Now it’s as if Prince Harry has chosen to lock himself in a room watching an endless loop of himself as a shocked and sad child following his mother’s coffin, dwelling constantly on that grief and on the perceived failings of his family.

Can such feelings actually be ‘fed’ by therapists? I believe so.

Not all therapy is the same and not all practitioners are good.

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DH, London, United Kingdom, 5 hours ago

William has emotional intelligence; Harry is dumb and hysterical. William will be King; Harry will be a desperate sub-celebrity with no talent. William has dignity and will be revered like his grandmother; Harry will be an irrelevance.