Harry finally gone native in California

I don't think he needs to be sneered at for saying that. It makes perfect sense.

Whether they can actually achieve it, is something else.

The only way to break the cycle is to not have children, and it's too fucking late and a half.

Trying to not be a shitty parent equals "flowers in his hair"?

I guess it doesn't really surprise me that OP is an elderly conservative, still angry at those dirty hippies.

The only problem with what he said was 'genetic' pain, which isn't a thing. Inherited, yes, but it's not genetic.

They're the smart ones to get the fuck out. The rest of the lesser royal family members are seething with jealousy. He has no real role to play - he knows it, the family knows it, and the British press know it.

I think he means well, but he’s not very bright, and gives the impression that he spouts whichever platitudes he remembers from the last self-help book his wife made him read. And for someone who values his privacy so much, he is willing to sell it to almost anyone with a media profile. In truth, his past is the only commodity he and his wife can trade on.

If he was hoping to patch things up with the future king, this is not the way.

R4, the lesser family members didn’t seem particularly envious of him. He was either cold-shouldered (by Anne, Zara, Sophie and Edward) or treated as a vague embarrassment. Ironically, the only ones who showed any real warmth to him were William and Kate, the people he and his wife have sought to damage most.

That is NOT what I told him to say!!!!

What's his I Q, 60?

Ugh...what suffering. His trauma pales in comparison to a victim of violence or abuse. His family are either the worst bunch or he is the unhappiest prince in the world.

R6 - I do not think Harry has any desire to "patch things up" with William. His father maybe but not William.

Getting out of the BRF as full time Senior Royals was the best thing the Sussexes ever did. As R4 stated: Harry is not important and becomes less important as he moves further and further down in the line of succession to the throne. Getting out while early middle-aged is better than getting out at 60.

R11, an unimportant member of the Royal Family is still accorded a certain importance (even if they do nothing to deserve it). I seriously question what attention Meghan and Harry can expect when they are in Their fifties or sixties. Are people still going to want to hear Harry’s stories of childhood trauma at that point?

Good for them if they want to make a life for themselves in a meritocracy rather than an aristocracy, but the reality is that they are neither sufficiently interesting nor sufficiently talented to get the respect which they seem to think is due to them. Hence the rage they obviously felt at playing second fiddle in the RF.

I don’t think anyone begrudges him for stepping away from the BRF. It’s the way he did it, trying to cash in on his name and position. If he’d retired to the countryside to become a gentleman farmer, making an appearance on the balcony twice a year and the occasional interview about cows and sheep, it would be fine.

Too late for that now but if he voluntarily gave up the Duke of Sussex title (so MM couldn’t use it either), that would be good. It’s the aggrandizement that annoys.

" If he’d retired to the countryside to become a gentleman farmer"

R13 - I cannot imagine Diana going to live in the countryside as a farmer and have even a harder time imagining Harry or William doing so.

Did he make out with Dax Shepard, too? Because that's the only way I'll find this interesting.

So why doesn’t he just renounce the title and the whole thing?

Dax Shepard? Seriously? We've now got royalty talking to Dax Shepard?

Shut it all down.

Oprah last month, Dax Shepard this month. They will be on Judge Judy by Xmas.

[quote] I don’t think anyone begrudges him for stepping away from the BRF. It’s the way he did it, trying to cash in on his name and position. If he’d retired to the countryside to become a gentleman farmer, making an appearance on the balcony twice a year and the occasional interview about cows and sheep, it would be fine

It’s his fucking life. He should do exactly what he’s doing. Lead his life for him, not for the “royal family”, not for idiotic busybody strangers.

All Apple connected, R17. Who is their business manager? They need a Colonel Parker type guiding them.

Maybe Dax and his wife can be their new buds what with Teigen being cancelled and the Clooneys cleaving to The Prince's Trust.

Why is Teigan cancelled? I missed that one...

Looking at the other podccast guests is hilarious. I listened to a few minutes of the Harry ep but was repulsed by the aggressive shilling for McDonalds.

R21, she bullied children and teens online, urging one to kill herself.

Other Dax Shepard podcasts eps

Kelly Osborne Macklemore Hank Azaria

A list!

Poor little me! Raised in Kensington Palacee and Highgrove and St. James Palace! Deprived of nice clothing and nice beds and good food... oh wait, we had all that! Well, then, I was sent to terrible schools-- oh wait, I got to go to the best schools in the nation!

Well, I had divorced parents!~ and my mother died before I was 12! I am surely the only person to whom those two things ever happened!

Vaccines should be available to everyone!!! Children shouldn't have to suffer like their parents did!!! Where does he come up with these brilliant thoughts?!?

Him whinging about pap photos when his wife and her whole family set them up with BackGrid is a bit hypocritical.

Even Dax can create lamish content on a regular basis, even by that metric Dim is such a failure.

Harry advocates no clicking on links about his family? They place at least 2 stories a day! If no one clicked, how could they pay Sunshine Sucks after all?

I clicked onto this thread to say something bitchy, but now I'm just bored with the comments on here.

Harry raised the no bike riides with his parents as children again on the podcasts, MUCH photographic evidence to the contrary. It is like he was given one script to trot out over and over and even if it is lame or obviously untrue, it just gets trotted out again.

So what are you saying OP, that parents should continue the cycle of emotional abuse ?? Thank god he came to California.

It's just too bad OP could never be a good father....and he takes pride about being an awful person.

The problem with him is that he either speaks about the BRF or mentally illness, usually a melding if the two. It’s getting old. He clearly is out for publicity because he doesn’t have to be in the limelight but he and his wife clearly seek it out. The truth is there isn’t much to him. His claim to fame was like the rest of them, being royal. It’s like actors, when they are no longer acting, what is left to talk about? The two of them are dumb, they will get a temporary boost, but long term they will fade into the background. They should’ve stayed in the good graces of his family.

On a side note, even if they start socializing with big celebrities, who is there in their age bracket? DiCaprio? Don’t see that happening. Only one I see is maybe Beyoncé and Jay Z. That’s it.

R28 - The tabloids DO NOT pay the Sussexes. Where do you come up with these ridiculous falsehoods?

He asked Dax to go drive dune buggies with him, lol. Bey and J seemed a bit taken aback by the Harkles at The Lion King premier. Of course, Bey went on to a lucrative alliance with Disney whereas MeGain did not. And Disney pointed out she was a "controversial figure" years ago, imagine what people say NOW?

Do you think he could have left the royal family and stayed in England? The media is already savagely against them. He had no choice but to move and, frankly, the US is much more forgiving than the UK toward British royalty. Plus the weather in Santa Barbara is wonderful - it's a beautiful place to live.

He was 'the spare', his father favored William, his mother was on his side but died tragically when he was young. He's not one of the 5 working royals and has no role to play. His wife was harassed with racist and mean-spirited lies and fabrications.

Why the fuck would you stay? What's the upside? I don't see any. This is a smart and healthy move.

R35, where is the evidence that Charles favoured William? On the contrary, Harry has been cosseted since the day he was born, and Charles (whether through guilt or not) excused a huge amount of bad behaviour from him. Everything he wanted, he got, including a military rank he would never have achieved without an Eton education and much pulling of strings.

New parents always know how to be perfect parents.

R35, Diana was undoubtedly on Harry’s side, but she was on William’s too. God only knows what she would think of the way Harry is treating him now.

^^ Second only to people who aren’t.

His only ticket to fame and wealth is the BRF. So they messed him up. Well welcome to family life. Just that the rest of us don't have fortunes given to us by our families and a daddy with more where that came from. And to seek privacy in a 10 million dollar mansion and a wildly publicized interview on Oprah. And what can one say about a feminist whose main goal in life was being a Disney Princess but then found out it came with strings attached. You know working the parks and waving at people. So now she will live her true life one of independence and strength after making coin with a wedding and a stolen Duchess title.

Followed by an interview with DAX SHEPARD, lol. Shepard fawned over Harry and called him "incredibly smart." Lol.

MeGain kept a team of 4 in LA and clothes stored in Toronto. She never intended to stay, just a quick grab, attempt at brand building and her usual bounce. Remember Sussex Royale and all the trademarks? The manifesto really showed their true colors.

Exactly r40. Every family has its issues, even the BRF. So life was tough at times, his parents bitterly fought, then split up, mom died in a tragic accident. He had to endure public scrutiny which couldn't have been easy. But he had an *unbelievably* privileged life along the way, with a ton of support both personally and financially. His parents both loved him, as did his grandparents and wider family. He was well-fed and schooled.

This endless carping and whining about his childhood, like it was Dickensian or something, has worn very thin. Throwing his father and grandparents under the bus every chance he gets, in public - is he ever going to mention the horrific childhood his mother, Diana, had and the suffering she underwent that affected her? I guess not. But then, they aren't as famous.

Clearly at this point he is exploiting it all for public sympathy and money/financial gain. Disgusting, imo.

[quote]So what are you saying OP, that parents should continue the cycle of emotional abuse ?? Thank god he came to California.

Yes so good he came to California! Where there is NEVER any exploitation, financial manipulation of others, or emotional abuse! Such a paradise it is.

As the saying goes, wherever you go, there you are!

Harry and his 1st wife's brand of virtue signaling victimhood brand and lifestyle is not likely to give their very isolated kids a happy or grounded childhood.

Meghan will turn on him eventually, best case scenario is that she ghosts and moves on.

Good good good. America will help Harry reinvent himself like so many before him. I wish him and his wife the best.

Sid From Tooting, london, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago

I thought he was Capn Fearless , saving his country from the Afghans , but in reality , he is a limp damp squid.

R42 - you don't know what support he received personally. So he was born into royalty - but a role where he would never do shit except cut ribbons and make small talk and have to get all of his life decisions approved by the family and his brother.

Unlike others, Diana left him 'fuck you' money. And that's exactly what he's doing. The rest of the family are on the Queen's dime and don't have that liberty.

Diana knew what she was doing and good for her. She and Meghan have given that guy a chance at a more normal life.

R33 But do H&M sell the opportunity to take those photos to favoured agencies who in turn sell them to the tabloids?

Majevepe, New York, United States, moments ago

A person traumatized by public scrutiny does not move to Hollywood and splash themselves out all over the place for a price. I believe his issues are jealousy that he is a spare and fueling the fire is miss will not take a second seat to anybody. Megan has givin him a script she is the hero in. He is being conned. And he sure had no problem taking money from his bad daddy. Harry your conclusions are not that of a healthy person who has sorted his life out. They are of a person whom has decided to scapegoat. A common tactic your wife has used her entire life. You had plenty of time to make your life better before Megan. But you have a streak of laziness. You have not found the key you have found a ball and chain. Now zip it and get on with whatever floats your boat. But stop involving the world in your pathetic drama is self-indulgent and very unbecoming

Save it for others r47. Diana left him a bit under $21 million, with good investment its more than that but he's not rolling in the kind of dough his Montecito neighbors are in (tens and even hundreds of millions). He and the wife have to work to keep up their current lifestyle.

He received support, he has said publicly he was in therapy long before he met Meghan. She didn't introduce him to that. He wasn't "controlled" by anyone, he chose to become a working royal when he came of age and left the military, he could have chosen otherwise. It's not mandatory he do that job - but given that he voluntarily took it and the perks that came with it, his father and grandmother naturally assumed he'd stick with it for his adult life. He didn't, which is his choice, and he left. Did you see anyone stopping him?

What the BRF did do was totally natural: they ended the perks of that job when he quit. You don't do the work, ok, but you don't get the $ or other goodies that come with it. The other BRF members do fine at their jobs, and continue to enjoy the perks. Fair and simple.

The words "Meghan" and "normal life" don't exactly belong together either. I wouldn't say Haz traded in his terrible old life for something that much more peaceful or fulfilling. He sounds the most miserable he's ever sounded in all of these recent interviews, since moving to the US.

I don't necessarily agree with his statement, but does he really think that Archie & Diana 2.0 aren't going to blame him for their own dysfunction? He's not some troubled 20 year old - he's a middle aged man who should realize by now that all people are flawed & that our job is to love others, flaws & all

R48 - NO!!!!!

I have not seen new photos of the Sussexes in ages except for the pap shot of Meghan & Archie, screenshots from the Oprah interview and photos posted to SM of and via the nonprofits & NGOs they are associated with.

That is one ugly baby.

"A person traumatized by public scrutiny does not move to Hollywood and splash themselves out all over the place for a price."

R49 - How do you know they are being paid for appearances?

"That is one ugly baby."

R53 - What baby are you referring too?

Diana got that fuck you money from Charles. Harry still got Daddy's money. And clearly they are already living above their means if the neighbors have considerably many many more millions than they do. This is not a community for dinky millionaires. So they are going to have to sweat bullets to earn the kind of money they were accustomed to in the BRF. And to support their charitable foundations. How long will the novelty last of the prodigal prince?

Their appearances are a marketing tool. Don't you know how that works?

Marketing tools and paid appearances are two different things.

FFS r52 who the hell do you think set up that pap shot of Meghan and Archie? Do you not know the basics about how the celebrity-pr matrix works lol? Most of us don't even live in southern CA or work in showbiz, and we have it figured well out.

The photos were sold to the Backgrid agency, and run in the NY Post. Tells you everything you need to know right there.

[quote]He's not some troubled 20 year old - he's a middle aged man who should realize by now that all people are flawed & that our job is to love others, flaws & all

This x1000. He's nearly forty years old, with a wife and two kids. When is he going to grow the hell up and take adult responsibility for his adult problems? It's like he can's stopping thinking like a 17 year old. Dad and Grandma are to blame for EVERYTHING - on what planet?

They must be spending a mint on PR -- full-time staff and agency support -- all to create a brand they can use to churn up more money to support an even more lavish lifestyle funneled through their tax-free foundation.

Protestations to tbe contrary, they NEED the publicity. They just want the coverage to be on their terms.

Exactly, R59. Poor choices all around, the PR deluge is a huge turn off and A listers have distanced. Best to have bought a more modest property say with a vinyard, that could generate some dough. Keeping their heads down and staying out of the press would have created some cache, for free.

R57 - I have no idea how this worked with the Meghan & Archie photo.

I'm younger than Harry, my parents screwed me up a bit (didn't everybody's??) but I know that when you're a fucking adult, you stop whining about what happened to you and start dealing with it.

He is attempting to make a CAREER out of it, R62.

[quote] It's just too bad OP could never be a good father....and he takes pride about being an awful person.

"awful person"?

And yet, here YOU are, being a nasty cunt for no reason whatsoever.

You're hardly in a position to judge.

[quote] [R53] - What baby are you referring too?

Baby Jane Hudson, Rose.

Harry, please zip it and not speak on the subject of parenting/ childhood as if you’re an expert or that your experience/ background apply to most people. They don’t and your current experiences are also alien to the rest of us who aren’t able to coast on inherited wealth.

Stop with the woe-is-me childhood stories. Many of us have also lost parents at young age, or we grew up with dysfunctional or even abusive parents. And we were poor or not rolling in dough. Your father Charles, while not the ideal, touchy-feely, and indulgent father you now wish you’d had, doesn’t deserve your constant denouncement of him. Did he not show you love and support? Did he indulge or spoil you instead of trying to teach you right from wrong? Was he abusive or neglectful as parent? Was he an authoritarian father who belittled you because you never lived up to expectations? I think the answers to these would be no, that’s just a guess.

Just because our parents are less than our newly-minted ideals, it doesn’t mean they’re bad parents. Parents are not perfect people, most try to do their best under circumstances dealt to them. Some carry over the less than ideal influences from their own childhoods. But the truly meaningful thing is that they love/ loved you, and that they have/ had your back.

I remember years ago that the members of the royal family have to make appointments to see each other.

And then they ship the kids off to boarding school at the age of 8 and the kids only come home ONE weekend a month. They only see their parents 2 days a month.

What kind of parent sends a 8 year old kid away and only sees them 2 days a month? That's crazy

They see their kids about 160 days a year. That is child abuse

I feel so bad for Harry. His childhood was terrible.

MeMe's hair part is severe.

As long as we're bitching about this couple: all those jewels the poor woman has been wearing, the ones brought over from England. Really valuable bling.

What're the odds they declared those and paid US customs duty? And California use tax? Maybe the relevant authorities also read the Daily Mail. Let's hope.

[quote] It’s his fucking life. He should do exactly what he’s doing.

He should live his life, but he [bold]SHUT THE FUCK UP[/bold] about his miserable childhood in luxurious palaces and stop whinging about it 24/7.

Not doing “what was done to you”, eh? That’s why the public is treated to the stories about the star-studded lavish baby showers. The stories about Archie’s backpack and beanies, the shilling for donations in his name...

The jewels, like her hair, are fake. BP intervened to clear up that MM was NOT wearing Diana's watch, she wears a replica she purchased for herself after Suits was renewed.

Not to mention that the continued use of their royal titles to establish their life in America is a great slap in the face to the very democratic principles on which our country was founded.

R74 We are the Duke and Duchess, and don't you forget it!

"As long as we're bitching about this couple: all those jewels the poor woman has been wearing, the ones brought over from England."

R70 - What jewels are you talking about?????

[quote] Yes so good he came to California! Where there is NEVER any exploitation, financial manipulation of others, or emotional abuse! Such a paradise it is.

As opposed to the rathole where you live R43? Face it bitch. California is way better and you just have to accept it.

The way things were... did we see this shit coming?

No one has ever suffered like the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

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R73 No, BP cleared nothing up about Diana's personal jewels, only the Royal Collection jewels. And M's own Cartier watch is two-tone, while Diana's and the one she sometimes wears is solid gold.

For the past couple of months I've been working with a guy who has a terrible relationship with his father. He talks about it a lot, too much. Clearly it hurts him but this guy is just 50, time to learn something.

His father is not going to change. We have grown up with pop psychology and talk shows where family issues and depression etc. have been discussed. We have a better understanding of things than our parents did. Older people have no understanding of self improvement or self help. If our parental relationships are fucked up then it is up to us to try to do something about it so when the old coots die we know we did all we could. Everyone does the best they know how, sometimes the best someone knows is a pile of shit. What can you do?

So if you become a parent you take the attitude Harry and my brothers did, you vow to be better, to change whatever cycle exists that brings pain.

The person who had a shitty childhood was Charles. A distant working mother and a father (probably himself suffering from childhood trauma) who just didn't "get" the sensitive child Charles was. I don't believe Charles is gay (footman stories notwithstanding) but most gay men should identify with him. And by all accounts it is Charles who has, to the best of his abilities, tried to reverse that pattern with his sons. He appears to have tried to be an expressive loving father. He also appears to have put aside his childhood mistreatment and tried to reach out to mater and pater in their old age.

And this is how Harry treats him. He's immature and cruel.

Oracle -

Your insights/predictions are interesting and sometimes spot on.

As a fellow Californian, there is no doubt that the place is unique and special. That said, it is NOT without its issues. No place is perfect. Some places are just more ideal for some people over others. Certain places resonate with folks.

That said, it is a bit embarrassing that the vapid, shallow, hypocritical duo of Harry and Meg have chosen California to claim as their own: following in line with caricatures of California. Especially SoCal.

You have clearly stated your personal issues in regards to the BRF in previous threads. Just as you go on to unjustifiably attack others on this thread for differing perspectives.

Kinda low thing for you to do.

Ok, I'm listening to the Dax podcast. Yes, I'm still interested until Harry runs out of material. So far it's making me embarrassed to be a Californian. Dax and his co-hostess sound like THE most stereotypically vapid Angelenos. "Harry is, like, not royal at all! He's a rad dude." Dax is babbling, freely throwing around "fucks" and "shits" in conversation with Harry, who is pontificating (in yes, the word salad way) about "with a platform comes responsibility." It's truly cringeworthy.

He's not a model baby, but he isn't ugly.

R67 I was also packed off to boarding school at 8. Nothing that unusual. We turned out ok. Oh wait. I’m in here so hell yeah screwed me up.

Was there anything beyond the parenting truisms? I'm only interested if there was something funny.

I wonder if Dax and his cross-eyed wife are courting them as couple friends.

R78 - That is nothing but an excellent PR photo.

Harry invited him to go drive dune buggies, he seems lonely and bored. The courting may go the other way. Astonishing come down, no?

Do they spend most of their money on PR? If so, they need a refund. A fucking podcast with Dax?

Did not quite work out as they had schemed, huh?

Snort.

William will be a dull king, as a king ought to be. Harry will be the supernova. The way he's going, I see a great future in front of him.

R93 - I see Dax has a very low bar.

R84 this is a hate thread. We don't need to pretend it is not. The bar is already low.

R96 - I think you should change your name. You're not much of an Oracle. Your new name is Broken Record.

Podcast is on Apple, promoting show w/Oprah produced by Apple.

I blocked Oracle long ago, KG troll too.

R96 has a thin-skinned definition of “hate” thread. Most celeb gossip threads on DL would fall under his definition of hate thread.

r92 Yet in his interview with Dax Shepherd he gives the impression they decided to make a clean break from the royal family in the USA. Yet they originally wanted a half in half out arrangement and were displeased that was denied them. It's very dishonest and insincere for him to change his story like this and very unprofessional of Dax Shepherd not to question the obvious discrepancy . Victimhood is lucrative for a limited period of time. Let's be honest what game you are playing Harry.

I think the waning novelty factor in Hollywood around this couple and the brutal real politique of that will be reaching Hollywood boardrooms and their chief accountants sooner than the Harkles may realise.

Dax Shepard functions as PR for Apple. He is a reality tv show actor not a trained journalist.

They wanted MORE from the BRF for even LESS.

r102 Thanks I did not realise he worked for Apple and wasn't even a journalist or professional of any kind in truth.

"Yet they originally wanted a half in half out arrangement and were displeased that was denied them."

R101 - I think it is more complicated than the above over-simplification. No one knows what really went down before the Sussexes were forced by Dan Wootton to release a statement via Sussex Royal.

R109 - Per Wikipedia, "Shepard transferred to UCLA, where he graduated magna cum laude with a B.A. in Anthropology".

I meant R103 not R109. Sorry!

The podcast is like parody. Dax sounds like the phoniest of Hollywood douchebags - "ohyeahyeahyeahyeahyeahtotally, a thousand percent." At one point, as he and Harry bitch about the paparazzi, Dax observes rhetorically that, like papping, "shitting on your kitchen table" is legal but that doesn't mean it should be done. Beyond undignified. Harry recounts how Orlando Bloom, his neighbor "down the road," tips him off to the paps. So relatable! Harry has zero awareness of how embarrassing all this sounds.

Most distasteful.

I had to look him up, R103. He talks a lot about having been an addict.

Yep, I'm sure Bloom drops everything to tip off Hairy that MeMe has called the paps again.

Harry's latest whine about "genetic" abuse or whatever is really putting last nail in his coffin, so to speak.

Sampling of DM Comments:

He waits until Philip dies, the grandfather he professes to love, until he says to the world he was an abuser? Someone with narcissistic personality disorder is in his ear

Charles' father has JUST PASSED AWAY and his son is doing this....

As he started therapy after he had met Meghan I think he is expressing his feelings at the "right now" point he has reached. I think with further therapy he would get beyond this point and stop feeling angry with his Dad and grandparents. He will then regret being so public about his feelings. I think he has very little chance of any kind of relationship with his family now because more public criticism of the RF must surely be the final straw.

But he went to therapy for YEARS before he met Markle, the story is always changing. He is an example of how individual talk therapy can actually make narcissists MORE self absorbed. He has psychobabble word salad down but is still at the emotional level of an ODD teen.

Harry wants to make a brand and career out of his mother's death. Moving on in processing his grief might cut down on the $$$ he hopes to make from monetizing her memory.

R97/R100 Don't project on me your insecurities. I'm just telling you what this thread is about and what you are here to contribute. Don't like it? Change.

The truth remains the same. It's never repetitive. It's never a broken record.

Do we have any therapists here? Do you ever just say to a patient, "For God's sake, stop your whingeing and grow up!"

If only he'd married Meghan McCain. They could spend all their time talking about their dead parents together

Lol, R114!

R85. I couldn't agree more. This "Armchair Expert" podcast is nothing of the sort. Not only Are Dax Shepard, his sidekick and Harry not experts, they are douchebags. I figured I would give it a chance. The entire hour-and-a-half was woke word salad bullshit. I disliked Harry even more listening to him. Harry, just STFU. I would like to see Harry and his wife sit down for an interview and have the interviewer confront them with their lies and horrible behavior.

And Dax Shepard was a disgrace with his string of obscenities during this chat: "motherfucker, fuck this, fuck that, etc." It was appalling, and as you say, "cringeworthy."

The repeated references to shitting on your kitchen table were super charming too, R116.

Take the fucking microphone away from Dax Shepard and Harry. Total morons. By the way, Dax's podcast sidekick is beyond an idiot.

R118 you didn’t like the sidekick’s nasal uptalk, fake chipmunk laughs and vocal fry? To paraphrase: “So I loooooooved The Crown? I, like, didn’t know ANYthing about the royals. I had no idea about, like, the PAIN they all were going through?”

No wonder we Americans, and especially Californians, are laughed at and derided. The whole thing was like an SNL sketch.

R117. Yes, I forgot about the shit on the kitchen table references. Horrible. I felt like I should have fast-forwarded during that interlude. However, not to confuse DL readers...the swearing and stupid language was very off-putting, but the greatest offense of the whole podcast was all of them fawning over each other and carrying on about a topic that actually requires real mental health experts--not idiots who happen to have a microphone in front of their face.

This stupid podcast made me even madder that these people are making a fortune blathering on about nothing, when so many people with actual skills are unemployed across the country and all over the world.

[quote]Do we have any therapists here? Do you ever just say to a patient, "For God's sake, stop your whingeing and grow up!"

I'm not a therapist r113. but I can relate a personal story. Was seeing a thereapist (20 years ago) on heels of relationship breakdown and new life starting in new country. Anyway, I only saw the therapist 2X, maybe 3X. She finally "kicked me out" in the nicest possible way. I told her what I was doing in my life to move on, (write a book, travel, studies, etc) and she just became quiet. Very quiet.

I was intrigued and wondered why she was so quiet. She said (can't remember exact words as it was ages ago....) but she was shocked by my ability to move on. I was shocked she was shocked. I didn't understand why she was so surprised at my "progress" in such a short amount of time.

My therapist said "Most people don't realize they have a choice." I said to her: "What do you mean?" Choice?

She said: "Yes. Most people don't realize they have a choice in life (in terms of reactions) and can make decisions on how to react, behave and deal with adversity.

I never forgot that conversation.

Harry Wales just strikes me as someone who is crassly monetizing all he's got in life: his Grief. It's really pretty ugly what is going on.

And dim dysfunctional Haz and druggy Dax are held up as somehow benefited by therapy and more evolved than others instead of being shallow grifting scum. That is the level of friend Harry has now, from the future King of England and lifelong chum Skippy to entreating Dax Shepard to drive dune buggies with him.

R119. You're exactly right. Good lord, that sidekick was exhausting. But they all were.

Harry is still living in a bubble. He really comes across thinking his endless nauseating chatter is actual work. And don't get me wrong, work doesn't have to be digging ditches, but if you're going to open your mouth and have access to an audience, please have something to say. Harry is an idiot. Just because someone went through therapy doesn't mean they have a license to preach about it. So unqualified and exhausting as well. And just because he has an audience, he thinks he has something to contribute. Wrong, wrong. And whoever told Dax Shepard he should have a podcast? Another first-class idiot.

Imagine Prince Charles listening to this. “Good grief.”

Look how Harry has handled all of the relationships in his life - family, friends, etc. Scorched earth. Does not speak to a well adjusted person of good character.

Dax Shepard is grateful to have been thrown a gig by Apple and soon to be Spotify. Can't imagine the offers were so numerous.

Watching Wiilliam and Catherine laugh, engage, display empathy for other humans in a genuine seeming way and then jealous, spiteful Haz and Meg screech about how "trapped" Willam and Charles are really says it all. They are acting out of malice and greed and avarice.

Philip might be alive now but for the Narkles. Look how they behaved since. Just as his RPOs said it was not their job to install a moral compass in Haz, the same is true of talk therapy. Difficult life situations can develop character but Harry has never grown up. And at almost 40, he likely never will. The anger and petulance have always been there.

[quote] [R67] I was also packed off to boarding school at 8. Nothing that unusual. We turned out ok.

Other than the fact that sometimes you refer to yourself in the first person singular and sometimes in the first person plural, that is.

Harry will never have any real credibility unless he gives up the Sussex title. If the BRF system is so corrupt and abusive and one he never intends to be part of again, he should put his title where his mouth is and become Mr. Henry Mountbatten-Windsor.

But we know that will never happen because the day he does that, he and his wife lose 90% of their cache. So the Duke and Duchess of Sussex they will remain. Fucking hypocrites.

There was a right way to leave the BRF. Harry should have turned down the Sussex title before the wedding, had a nice private wedding in the UK (like Meghan said she wanted), and left for California with his new wife right after the honeymoon. Harry could even have kept the Prince title and nobody would have said much since he was born with it. They could have gotten a good start on their various causes and projects before COVID hit and had both of their children in America, publicizing or privatizing the births however they wanted.

This would have given them credibility and even mystique if Harry and Meghan hadn't overexposed themselves and attacked Harry's family publicly. They'd have enjoyed a better reputation and probably more money as a consequence. Of course, Meghan couldn't have been anything but Princess Henry and their children wouldn't have had titles, but they could have made that part of their brand. Staying Meghan Markle while being married to a British Prince would have really upped her feminist credentials.

Harry and Meghan's problem has been and will continue to be that they want it both ways: Money, titles, and glamorous royal patronages while living where they want and doing what they want 99% of the time. Nobody gets that deal. Not William and Kate, and certainly not the Queen.

Harry and Meghan also want total privacy except when THEY decide they want the public's total and adoring attention. Nobody on earth has ever gotten that deal.

Thank you R64. OP here. NO kids but my siblings for years have entrusted their kids to me and I'm a second father to some bright happy and enlightened nieces and nephews. I'm a liberal at heart but whining and kvetching especially when you come from one of the richest families in the world cuts no ice with me.

I'm posting this link for Harry and his wife.

Oh, and when he’s not flinging crude profanities, Dax mostly talks about himself. Granted, Americans shouldn’t exhibit undue deference to British royals, but this isn’t even showing basic respect to a guest.

How I wish Princess Margaret was around for all this! Can you imagine?

But no, r130. They went in the opposite direction: Thought "We can outsmart the BRF, we'll use this angle and call it "Finding Freedom." Yeah, that's just the angle we need. People will lap it up and want to know everything about the BRF. We can dine on this forever, Meghan. Think about it.

I really question the organizations that deal with these two. They're kind of like glorified "felons" - celebrated by the "adoring masses" including the ever grasping Winfrye and sidekick KIng, who incidentally are also now monetizing BRF, specifically The Queen.

There's just something sinister about this whole Montecito cabal feasting on the elderly royals and especially Harry's toxic self-hatred disguised as hatred towards him family.

A lot of people have a misconception of what a good therapist is like, mainly because they’ve had bad ones or they misunderstand the goal of therapy. Movie portrayals of therapists always show them to be know-it-alls who tell clients what to do. In reality, a good therapist will never tell that to a client. The goal of therapy is to draw out insights from the client, so that the client can make the correct decision for himself/ herself at that point in time.

Even I know that, and I don’t do a lot of therapy with my patients, only when we have extra time or time set aside for it. From looking at Harry and the things that he’s said, it seems to me that his insights come from blaming circumstances and people in his life so far. That is not real insight, but rather projecting outwards whatever ambiguous feelings you still have. It puts him as an observer in his own life, however much he’d like to deny it. He’s constantly saying publicly what appears to be private self-affirmations. If I were his therapist, that is the very first thing I would try to get out of him, why he continues to do this. I truly believe this is a big hurdle to get over before he could have contentment in life. Right now I see a man who’s not taking responsibility for himself, instead it’s all everyone else’s fault. It absolves him from facing some not so nice things about himself as a person.

'Gone native?" Who speaks like this?

The real sinister angle behind this r135. is Harry (and wife) are just escalating the family troubles day after day after day after day to maintain the tenuous link (and commercial association) with the BRF. What they' not seeing is that their motivations are completely transparent to anyone with a brain.

"Hit the ground running", indeed.

Mental health issues, Charles' abuse, genetic pain, hating royal life, hating William and all he stands for, hate hate hate.

It's all the Narkles have.

As one DM commentator said: They're nearing 40 years of age. At that age, people are moving on or have moved on. So what's the point?

Crass commercialism. Plain and simple.

I am not sure that narcissits and the personality disordered are capable of that, R135. Often they just master therapy speak and become even more self absorbed, entitled and grandiose.

R136 Release the pearls, sweetheart.

[quote] Harry finally gone native in California

One may hope. Now he will either disappear into some cult, die by a self-administered OD, or become a serial killer.

Developmentally Harry seems stuck at a young teen level, R135.

Sunshine Sachs, R136.

William was Diana's favorite and her confidante as he got older. She talked in interviews about how handsome and intelligent he was, what a great king he would be, etc. Harry's obsession with his dead mother and hatred of his living brother probably go back to this.

I never gave a thought before to Dax Shepard. He just seemed like an unappealing goofball celebrity. After listening to that ridiculous podcast, my initial impression of Dax Shepard is a thousand times worse. The "Armchair Nonsense" was asinine. His language was appalling in front of a guest. I always kind of liked Shepard's wife, Kristin Bell. Now I question her and her judge of character. Is she an idiot too? The sidekick of the podcast--a complete babbling silly little girl. Shut them down!

Harry...ship him back to the U.K. We have more than our share of morons in the U.S. He's dumber than dirt. And now he's another moron with a platform and microphone. His wife Markle must be dumber than a box of rocks too. However, she's a useless, scheming and conniving piece of nothing, which is has kept her going. Her grifting ways makes her seem intelligent, but she's just a liar, which is discouraging to think that's how someone can make it in this world. Markle and Harry must be horrid, awful people. If only they would just disappear. I tuned into the podcast to give the H&M "con" a chance. But after listening, they don't deserve the chance. They are repulsive.

R139 You know how he interpreted it, since that’s how HE thinks. He’ll be disappointed now, too bad.

I realized who Dax reminded me of. It was like listening to a conversation between Prince Harry and Harry Ellis from “Die Hard.”

For all his self-help psychobabble, he seems utterly incapable of real compassion for those who love him. Whatever their flaws (and all human beings are flawed), Charles, William and The Queen have all loved Harry, and tried their best to support him.

I can completely understand deciding that Royal life is not for him, but it is completely inconceivable to me that I could do my best to make my grandparents final years such a total misery by denigrating everything they devoted their life to serving. He could at least have had the decency to leave and just live his life on his own terms without selling his life story to anyone with a chequebook.

I think it might be more than that, R137. He might just want to burn down the family biz, not sure what her angle is. There could also be a hidden hand, that Sunshine Sucks bill is pretty hefty, after all. Harry seems a useful idiot in what could be a bigger agenda.

The Daily Mail is all Harry today - must be six or seven articles about the Dax interview. Including one pretty much accusing him of throwing the Queen under the bus. Tens of thousands of comments on some of them, none of the popular ones going his way.

Not sure what will become of him when she ghosts him. He was asking Dax Sheppard out to play dune buggies with him!

Going back to the UK seems less and less likely. Not inviting lifelong friends to his evening wedding reception probably did not do those relationships much good either.

I’m not going to get all worked up about it. Harry will find out in due time what it’s like to have an ungrateful child. He’ll suffer the embarrassment that a spoiled brat brings. We may not be privy to it, but it’s just as likely that we will have a panoramic and microscopic view of their semi-royal lives. Meghan will see to it. And having opened that door, they will find it difficult to slam it shut when it gets embarrassing.

But I’m absolutely certain that he will feel something sharper than a serpent’s tooth in a decade or so.

I would add Catherine to that list, too, R147.

If Harry and Meghan were to split up, surely Harry would have his pick of ambitious LA actresses to console himself with.

R153, that’s true.

Agree, r137. Behind the hate or resentment is an active pursuit of destruction. I think the ultimate target is Charles but William is the proxy. But it's all displaced aggression and I'm not a therapist or able to psychoanalyze this mess of Harry's mind. His middle age is going to be interesting, however. If you think he's insufferable now at

Charles will linger for a while - likely in failing health in his 80s (based on current physical state), while William's "star" ascends into the stratosphere as he gains more and more influence and "power." I don't know - Harry has no control over his emotions. I can just see the aggression escalating within Harry, needing a target, or rather, stalking a target (like William).

That's what Harry has become. A lethal enemy, misguided stalker, unrelenting accuser, malicious gossiper, destructive force. But it's not really, really genuine. It's called making bank. Markle will just continue to exploit him, suck the life out of him until he's devoid of soul - no purpose, an empty vessel. I think we're seeing the slow descent now - reality blurring with fiction until fiction become reality.

And Harry is far, far too dim to see what's happening to him.

Unfortunately, I think Harry is here for a while. He and his wife are so full of themselves, so distasteful and repulsive. And based on this nonsensical, offensive and phony podcast, Harry actually believes he is doing the world some good with this blathering utter bullshit. What a scummy, slimy douchebag.

Post meant for r148, not r137.

He was getting rejected pretty regularly before MeGain, no? The one model he liked, who looked a lot like Catherine, found his constant texting and neediness offputting. Remember, Megs is gonna take a LOT of his money and he is slovenly as well as not too attractive.

The Harkles do seem none too firmly grounded in the real world, a lot of delusion, no doubt compounded by drugs, isolation and hangers on.

A smart LA actress would know better: After the divorce, Harry will be vastly diminished in fortune and Meghan will do her best to ruin his reputation. He won't have much in the way of money or influence and he isn't even a nice or caring person. You'd have to be even dumber than he is to want him.

I disagree. Harry wasn't ever in the LA dating pool, he'd find plenty of takers.

Does anybody see a happy ending for Harry? Like a shark, Meghan will keep swimming no matter what happens, but I see a serious breakdown in his future when this marriage doesn't work out. Will his family step in and help him despite everything? I wonder.

The Guardian is now piling on him over the interview. So looks like he's lost the entirety of Britain.

He speaks of the way his father badly raised him. Then he says that's understandable because his grandparents badly raised his father.

A lifetime he's spent in the RF and he doesn't understand the one immutable rule that applies to it: You do not attack the Queen. Ever.

Oh come on, you can't see the headlines? "Harry AND FKA Twigs [or whomever] Step Out in Santa Monica!"

[quote]What kind of parent sends a 8 year old kid away and only sees them 2 days a month? That's crazy. They see their kids about 160 days a year. That is child abuse

The British upper classes have been doing this for centuries, with little fanfare or fall out. It's a cultural thing.

What kind of parent? The parents of SIr Winston Churchill, Gen. Montgomery, Clement Atlee, Laurence Olivier, Dame Judi Dench and a host of other well-adjusted, prolifically successful Britons.

Maybe he’ll end up back with his first love Chelsy or whatever her name is.

[quote] But we know that will never happen because the day he does that, he and his wife lose 90% of their cache.

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

You keep misspelling this word. It's "cachet," not "cache."

Please make a note of it.

r104 I don't need to know what went down to trust what I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears which is in early 2020 Prince Harry publicly saying he sought a hybrid model for his royal life. The Queen and Royal system didn't reject his requests because of leaks by a journalist.

"Harry and New Love Olivia Culpo Pack on the PDA" – headlines from the future

r134 Harry is cloaking vice as virtue. This is about greed and jealousy. Jealousy with a halo on if you like.

r148 How much do we reckon Sunshine sacks charges them monthly?

At one point, someone in the industry had estimated the bill as something like 7 million to that point.

I don't think I ever used that word on DL before, R166. But thanks for the heads-up.

In today's podcast, Harry criticized the upbringing that Charles received from his parents. WTF? He criticized his grandmother the queen who has devoted 70 years of her life to service and his grandfather who they just buried less than a month ago?

The time has come: Strip Harry and Markle of their HRH styles and duke and duchess titles. These two are beyond disrespectful, money-grubbing grifters and a complete farce. Words and actions have consequences. Enough is enough. It's over. Live as private citizens. GTFO.

Good God. Charles usually doesn't present as that sympathetic a character, and I have never been a parent.

But I am someone's son. Call me fortunate, but never in all the complicated issues that arose between my father and me, especially as an elder-gay who came out in a far earlier era than most of you lot, never could I have considered doing to my father what Harry has done to his.

This is pure hate.

"Oh, sharper than a serpent's tooth is an ungrateful child." King Lear, KING LEAR

I really doubt that Harry has the slightest awareness that he is arousing horror, not sympathy.

I wish we could see Princess Anne's reaction behind the scenes to all this. She seems to have the lowest bullshit threshold in that family.

R173, I believe that would require an act of Parliment and that is unlikely.

Oracle at r77: I live far from a "rathole", actually. And I'm not a bitch either. Not a cool way to talk to those who disagree with you.

I've been to CA plenty of times, over my lifetime. Many of my family lived in Ojai for many decades, lovely place and people. Not all of CA is "way better" though. There is plenty of pain, exploitation and grief as there is anywhere else.

Besides, you know full well the type of Californian I was specifically referring to. There is little to no honor in Hollywood, a place (in)famous for its greed, selfishness, vanity and crass values. A place where the Sussexes have firmly planted their flag, personally and professionally.

Harry is still happy to take his father's (and the UK taxpayer's) money.

Blocking oracle may improve the reading experience, R177.

r176 The Queen herself can takeaway any HRH or Prince/Princess title from any BRF member for any reason. Totally within her rights and power, believe it or not.

The royal dukedom is a bit stickier deal. But there are some who believe that Parliament would pass on the question of stripping the Sussexes, and hand the decision back to TQ herself as she granted that honor during her lifetime, to her own grandson.

Taking the HRH will not muzzle them, R180.

What exactly is Harry trying to accomplish with these broadsides against his family? Under the guise of “mental health” all he’s doing is making a fool of himself and causing his family a lot of pain. He is in no position to preach to anyone, it’s clear whatever counseling he’s had, it was not a success.

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Do you remember Eminen - famous song. with lines ..... "we need a little CONTROVERSY...."

Harckle's theme song.

He was always a dreary, petulant cunt.

Anyone who would continue this destructive behavior toward his 95 year old grandmother when his grandfather JUST died, perhaps hastened to his grave by the Narkles, is human trash. Harry is a cautionary tale, not a man of good character to emulate.

[quote] I really doubt that Harry has the slightest awareness that he is arousing horror, not sympathy. This is true even among the young. Many people love or respect older family members and even if not esp close, most decent people cannot imagine trying to create a career out of trashing the elderly.

Harry - They're playing your song.

R174 SAME. I have a LOT of issues with my father, and as an adult, I understand a lot of it comes from his upbringing, and I can't even FATHOM attacking him this way

Both boys were clearly impacted by the mental illness of their mother but that is never examined. Poor William was turned into a comforting figure for her while still in PRIMARY SCHOOL and was pressed into service to comfort HARRY in his outbursts too.

Harry wants more money and privilege from his family but at the same time seems to want to leave the rest of them with none. What goal fits his continued actions?

From the daily mail thousands of comments, the majority of people posting have turned on Harry.

He’s definitely lost the support of the people in England

Most young people in America don’t know who he is and don’t care

Harry's all over tomorrow's papers:

Scathing DM Comment from U.S.

[bold]No, it doesn't play well here in the US - his vicious attacks on his family, his constant whining, his amazing immaturity are painful to see. And to do all that with his huge mansion and hanging on to his title is the rankest hypocrisy.

How long until Archie and Little Diana get sick of hearing about how rough Daddy had it growing up in palaces?

[quote] Dax Shepard is grateful to have been thrown a gig by Apple and soon to be Spotify. Can't imagine the offers were so numerous.

That is the funniest thing. You must be really old

No one "threw him a gig". His podcast is extremely popular. I've never listened to it, but loads of people like it. Bill Gates, Shawn Mendes, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Tom Brady, Matthew McConaughey, Dr. Jane Goodall, Malcolm Gladwell, and Hillary Clinton have all been guests

He's actually getting a Joe Rogan type deal with Spotify

Why is old Jane Goodall always trying to be "in" with the cool young kids?

The Queen can take his HRH and his ducal title. But only Parliament can remove him from the succession. But poster upthread is right, it won't stop these two vengeful psychos.

In which case, the Queen may as well take them.

[quote]Taking the HRH will not muzzle them

R181. Maybe not, but it would demoralize and humiliate them. And perhaps prevent them from cashing in on their status representing a country for which they no longer do any work nor live.

R18 Love this!

Exactly r198. The ego and all their SM big bluster is just a very, very thin veneer for their chronic security. Fun to watch their little ego-inflated heads explode at losing HRH, Duchess titles.

I wonder if the first wife will agree to return his balls as part of the divorce settlement.

^^^^^ chronic INsecurity, meant to say.

If you are so impressed by his acting career before the podcast, R195, fair play to you. Was it his nomination for a People's Choice award that impressed you?

He and his wife are constantly doing comercials, not exactly a great thespian. The guests are booked by Apple and often have cross promo. His repeated references to shitting on a kitchen table are not some great, deep draw in and of themselves nor is the rambliing about his addictions or recent relapse. Shillng this that and the other thing might be a great biz model for the Harkles. At least Dax or his staff create content on a regular basis, which is more than can be said for Harry.

I find it funny that Harry says without irony, that being in the RF was like living in Truman Show. What does he think living in the celebrity circuit in LA is like? As for all his talk about privacy, it seems like he’s shoved that up his butthole. Oh, and I didn’t know that only in LA could he take his son on a bike ride, because you know, they don’t do that sort of thing in England.

FFS I didn’t think the interview was as bad as people had said it was, but man, it’s way fucking worse. Whatever problems you’re having with your father, you do not do this to him especially not after his own father had recently died. WTF is wrong with him, he obviously is thick as a concrete encased plank. Does he actually think this sort of whining, self-serving interviews is going to win him American fans?

That may have some value then, R198.

Link to Guardian article

I don't know if others have noticed, but I'll say it. Think there's coke addiction. That's a part of this.

Him asking Dax Shepard to go drive dune buggies with him was kinda pathetic. Guess BetterUp is not too much of a time commitment.

Some of his childhood friends are living in the States but he burned those bridges at his wedding.

Hey, Harry. You're adoptng some Americanisms to fit in? Why not try this one, courtesy of Will Rogers, on for size:

"If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."

r208 Guy and Lizzy Pelly have been living nearly full time in central TN for several years, but no rapport anymore with Harry and the Mrs. Guy is one of Prince Louis's godparents, so you know he is still tight with William.

Dax does that I guess GenX thing of going "oh yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah" at a high pitch.

“Genetic pain.” That gets an “oh brother” AND an eye roll. Barf.

R195. Dax Shepard's podcast may be popular, but he's a total douchebag idiot. When he wasn't acting like a fan girl in front of Harry, he was dropping F bombs throughout the podcast. It was crass, rude and disgraceful. It showed no respect for his guest even if it were an even bigger idiot--Harry Markle.

Shepard also doesn't know what he's talking about simply because he is/was a punk drug addict. Harry is no brain trust either. Harry's endless rambling acting as if he's the Sigmund Freud of mental health issue is nauseating and horribly unqualified and immature. And I'm no fan of Charles at all (he was a monster to Diana); however, when is trashing your father and his upbringing ever enough? This swipe at his father is a swipe at the queen as well. Harry needs to be stripped of his title and given a hard punch in the face. He's an ungrateful, repulsive piece of shit. His wife is no better.

For someone who wants to be private, he sure blathers a lot. Now, why again is he putting himself in the spotlight?! He should go get a therapy masters and lead happy-hippie circles in the park.

Poor you, R29. I bet you read this thread all the way to here.

Harry actually thinks his bullshit is work. Work, whatever it may be, has some sort of intrinsic value or service to the recipient. No Harry...as Dax Shepard would say, what you consider work is "shitting on the kitchen table."

They fuck you up, your mum and dad. They may not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they had And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn By fools in old-style hats and coats, Who half the time were soppy-stern And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself.

r171 WOW ! They really want to be noticed dont they! Is that in dollars or pounds by the way?

I don't think the Queen will take the Sussex titles. To do so would pour gasoline on already blazing flames. Besides, the more the Sussexes whine about the BRF, the more they look like vicious, hypocritical cunts for keeping the titles. Harry is only making himself look worse and worse with his continued public tantrum: Better to let him keep digging.

I, too, am reminded of Diana in the Summer of 1997. But the oncoming car crash for Harry will be metaphorical and emotional.

They fuck you up your mum and dad

They may not mean to but they do

They fill you with the faults they had

And add some extra just for you

But they were fucked up in their turn

By fools in old-style hats and coats

Who half the time were soppy-stern

And half at one another's throats

Man hands on misery to man

It deepens like a coastal shelf

Get out as early as you can

And don't have any kids yourself

Hard to lead happy hippiie circles when you seem miserable and petulant, R214.

I agree that some sort of degree program to form a basis for a career would be useful and give him some structrure.

I also think drugs and mental illness are playing a role.

We already saw that at R217, R220.

Quoting is not a substitute for wit.

R195, you may be less impressed if you listen to it.

If he did not get bookings from Apple cross promo his guest list would likely be far different. He did not have a wildly successful acting career nor does he seem particularly deep or insightful.

The listening audience may not have wanted to listen to Dax Shepard drop F bombs during the interview. It was appalling.

I wondered that too, R218, think it was in a UK article so guessing pounds. I do question whether a hidden hand is footing some of the extraordinary PR costs.

r207 Possibly cannabis too?

There's going to be another shitstorm when Finding Freedom 2.0 comes out in August. And probably another when Harry produces a Diana documentary that accuses his family of killing her. And another when the reality show premieres . . . etc. etc.

But if all Harry has to say is the same old stories, then the shitstorms will get smaller and smaller. He won't get interesting again until the divorce.

Cannabis, sure, maybe. I'd put serious money on coke, r226.

Agree, R228, tracks with the poor judgment and esp how disheveled both often appear.

R222 Quoting datalounge anyway

Another take

r227 The law of diminishing returns.Their impact ,shock value and novelty will indeed arguably is becoming less and less and will do so as they wash rinse and repeat. They are a currency that is devaluing and a candle that is burningfaster and faster through their period of opportunity.

I think irrelevance and public disinterest awaits them sooner than they think....

He had to turn on the Queen in this interview, as he already raked his father and brother over the coals on Oprah. I'm not sure who's left to burn now unless he turns to lesser royals.

Princess Anne, you in danger, girl.

Harry needed to forge his own identity after he left the RF. But he has little skills and accomplishments that aren’t tied up with his role as a working royal. So the only way and it’s the lazy way to go would be to throw his family under the bus, portraying himself as the brave and enlightened one who escaped.

Many of us who had followed the couple back in those old threads had predicted that they would bolt. But what we didn’t figure into predictions was how Harry would so readily sell his own family out. We knew it was in Meghan’s character to do something this nasty, because her past is littered with bodies she’s climbed over on her way up. But for many, Harry has really shown himself unexpectedly to be lowest of the low. Now we know the truth about the RF covering up for him all these years. He truly is a scumbag.

R227, FF 2.0 is said to include private family conversations from his grieving immediate family at his grandfather's FUNERAL. Words fail me.

Charles and William can't respond. However, Princess Anne ought to give an interview and lambast Harry and Markle. A dressing down by Anne would humiliate H&M and shut them up. The queen is Anne's mother too, and it could be presented as coming to her mother's and the monarchy's defense. Plus, Anne would have most of the world on her side. The Markles would be mortified.

R234, they are birds of a feather.

When she turns on him he will be in way over his head and we all know it is coming.

And contempt, r232.

Nothing will shut them up, R236. You misunderstand narcissits. Any fuel with feed their acting out, even if negative. I recommend the HG Tudor vids on narcissism and Harry's wife in particular.

Very true r238

narcissists

an edit button would be fab

only on DL would weighty authors and political figures be used to bolster the rep of a podcast joined by SHAWN MENDES.

This guy wears my ass out. Pouty Betty.

Has anyone else noticed that it’s HARRY who’s doing all the talking lately? Since the Oprah interview, MM has kept a pretty low profile. But Harry has been the one making the appearances and trashing his family at every turn.

r234 some are saying traitor to and I wouldnt disagree.

I cannot see him being invited to the platinum jubilee next year now.

Whatever statement the BRF makes in response to the Sussex tantrums, I bet we won't be hearing that Harry and Meghan "are much-loved members of the family" ever again.

^^ I mean he’s been the one talking and bitching.

Although Meghan came out with her “children’s” book, she didn’t do the traditional book promotion that authors do. She just dropped it and went back to bed.

But Harry has been the one giving speeches and interviews and blathering on.

Why is that? Because she’s “heavily pregnant”?

Because dim Hazza is Meg's "tool" - pure and simple. She's not going to "tarnish" what's left of her imagined grandiose stature. Let Harry do the dirty work. This way, she looks innocent, like Harry is her protector. When really, he's just her marionette.

Harry and Meghan will turn on each other. Everything about their individual histories and neuroses demands it.

This is not a question of IF, it's a question of WHEN.

I can understand wanting to Megxit, but why throw your family under the bus and keep on rolling back and forth on top of them. Really mental and bizarre. Talk about continually showing your baboon’s ass.

Harry has become a full-on professional victim, and a vindictive, nasty one at that.

Markle is preparing for her return to the stage since she is currently on maternity leave...leave from what I don't know, but nonetheless...

Harry should be keeping an eye out for modest bachelor flats within easy driving distance to Montecito. He's going to need one sooner rather than later.

It is traitorous. It is scumbag behavior toward any family. To the BRF, it is an attempted take down.

Harry is becoming a joke beyond the DL.

I don’t think anyone in the BRF will say a word in response. Nor should they.

Grey-rocking is the only way to respond to this.

That is the only effective strategy with narcissists.

This will come as a surprise to Dim.

"If he carries in like this, Harry's going to run out of material. And I'm not sure he's worked out that once his 'friends’ have mined him for all the material they can, he'll lose his lustre," wrote British TV presenter Colin Brazier (@colinbrazierGBN).

r254 I just know that the new GBN news channel is going to be a deliciously big critic and torment of Harry and Meghan!

Yep, r253. Nothing rankles an abuser than silence or non-response or no fight back. The Harckles want DRAMA. The BRF doesn't fall for that ploy, not readily anyway. This will only serve to aggravate MM as she lives for drama, conflict, aggression, division, attack and retribution. To hear and feel permanent and funereal silence from BP or Windsor, will really signal to the world, that they are losers, beyond contempt and worthless individuals.

You want to work and collaborate with that?

Go Right Ahead.

The clear winner today: Dax Shehard and his fucking shitty podcast for which the douchebag is woefully unqualified but which received a boatload of coverage here and across the pond.

"esp when you are married to one of Princess Diana's sons..."

So creepy and exploitative.

If he didn’t want to continue his “Truman Show” life in captivity, he sure married the wrong woman. I’m not sure she’s ever broken eye contact with a camera, ever.

You can’t make this shit UP.

[quote]This will only serve to aggravate MM as she lives for drama, conflict, aggression, division, attack and retribution.

R256. If these two whiners, victims and grifters live for this stuff, do you think H&M now thrive on and enjoy all the criticism they are receiving in the British press and social media today over this interview? They are even receiving some harsh criticism in the U.S. Forbes Magazine today.

If he does have a deeply serious drug problem, then that'd go some way in explaining the relatively kid-glove treatment he's gotten from the RF to date.

The Royal Family are currently correct not to respond to every brain fart emitted by Megs or her husband. At the moment, they are running through the goodwill people felt towards them pretty fast, while doing minimal damage to the monarchy. The Queen’s position is unassailable and support for the monarchy is high.

The danger will come if they are still bleating when Charles takes the throne. If they attack him, and it damages the institution, then the gloves may come off, and palace courtiers know every secret about Harry and will stop at nothing to protect the monarchy.

But that’s in the future. I doubt many will still be listening to Harry much longer if all he does is whinge (and what else can he really do?). Like the Duke of Windsor, who left the throne and thought his great popularity would give him a high standing in political and cultural life, Sussex is likely to become an increasingly peripheral and embarrassing figure. That being the case, the Palace would be right to stick by the “Recollections may vary” approach and refuse to fuel narcissistic rage.

One thing that does surprise me is the level of hatred Harry has towards the Palace and the UK media. He doesn’t seem to realise the easy ride they gave him. His charity work was lauded and he was celebrated as the most popular Royal. All he had to do was talk to a child and people compared him to Diana. He got glowing press for his military service, with no difficult questions asked about his academic qualifications, or the wisdom of sending a high-profile target to Afghanistan. The Palace made that happen for him, and the press reported that he was a war hero.

Now that Harry is exposed as a self-obsessed whiner, it’s clear just how much work was done by far more intelligent people to make him seem dutiful and likeable.

I highly recommend the vids on narcissism by this guy, he even does a series on Harry's wife.

Grey rock is the best strategy for dealing with narcs, as this vid explores: Love Me, Hate Me, Never Ignore Me

The point of their scorched-earth approach is to keep Archie under their control. They aren’t the legal guardians of their children, after all. I doubt those kids will step foot onto British territory until this is settled. Not going to be pretty! What a shame for QEII to have to see it play out.

For narcs, any attention is fuel, R260.

That is why grey rocking is the only effective approach.

Harry is currently drunk on rebellion and what he sees as unassailable popularity in the US. What he doesn't understand about American culture is that Americans respect fame, but they respect success and money way more. Most of our popular figures have the appearance of being self-made successes even if the truth about them is different. Even the Kardashians and Trump have reputations as successful businesspeople, unearned or not.

If Harry can't show himself a winner in the competitive, driven, greedy American marketplace, if he can't produce (or at least be seen as producing) something of value, he won't last.

Dax Sheperd seems a bit lowbrow, he must be getting desperate. I saw an article that said Harry was starting to speak with an "American" accent

He reportedly had in patient psych stints as well, R261. Harry has never been right in the head. He is externalizing it all but that is not quite right. Trashing his grandfather who is barely cold in the ground is despicable, as was his cheesing around for photos at the funeral and his wife merching a funeral wreath to inject her name in the media in absentia. There LITERALLY is no low they will no go beyond.

Harry appears to criticise way he was raised by his father

And in a phrase that had to come from his grifter wife: "speaks of ‘genetic pain and suffering’ in royal family"

That's a new one: genetic pain.

R270 Loaded phrase.

I believe CRT has the concept of generational trauma being passed down, R270.

R265 Would a California court recognize an archaic English law giving the Queen "legal custody" of her minor issue? I really doubt it.

Today Harry talked endlessly about how much therapy has helped him. And in this foolish Dax Shepard podcast, Harry even said his wife suggested therapy in 2017 to address the issues that were making his blood boil.

If that's the case, how come Harry didn't get his wife to a therapist when she was supposedly near suicide? Or why didn't she contact a therapist on her own. Through Harry's therapy (that he stated that Markle suggested) they surely had connections to some sort of mental health counselors. Or I guess they were just lying again during the Oprah interview, right?

That only applies to people farther up the LOS than Archie in any event. No, there is no higher motive to the scorched earth approach.

Damn Harry is getting ugly, I hate to see what's under that beard on his face

The BRF doesn't want Archie and Ariel. They barely know Archie and will never meet his sister. They aren't going to give Meghan the opportunity to portray herself as a brave single mother standing up to the evil, racist Monarchy. Not in a million years would they seek custody or even help Harry do so. He's on his own.

If they are speaking, very likely, R274. As the joke goes, even investigate the meaning of the word "and" and "the" when it comes from the Narkles.

Yikes, tv commentators are coming for the Narkles

This idea has been out there

As a Commonwealth member who takes the monarchy seriously, it was jaw dropping when Dax called a Prince of the Blood “motherfucker” to his face, even if admiringly. It is literally beyond belief. Not only does it make Harry look like trash, but it drags the monarchy down.

LMAO r281 that is tacky

That may be his goal, along with getting rich while doing so, R281. It may become more clear in time. The repeated references to shitting on a kitchen table were the height of witty banter.

No way Megan’s letting this one go. He’s currency. I doubt it took much for him to believe he was exacting Diana’s vengeance on the family, either. Do we think he’s always hated Charles?

R281 How can Harry find that acceptable? I wouldn't like it, and I ain't royalty. What must the family think? Princess Margaret's head would have exploded.

Haz thinks it makes him one of the guys, he asked Dax to go drive dune buggies with him, I think more than once.

[quote[] Harry appears to criticise way he was raised by his father

If the Royal Shoe fits. To have raised such a pussywhipped wuss 𝒔𝒐𝒎𝒆𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 wasn't done right.

They should have taken the titles 14 months ago. They probably would have if it weren't for Andrew.

Fucking Andrew.

R280. Don't put any stock in that divorce story. If the story had truly been from MSN as the url shows, then maybe it may have some credence. However, after clicking onto the link, the story is actually from the online scandal tabloid, "Gossip Cop," which is notorious for false and made-up stories. Everything Gossip Cop reports is bullshit...or it will have some crazy headline, and then say at the end of the story that it's all speculation or just plain false.

It would be wild to see these two grifters turn on each other and divorce, but don't get your news from Gossip Cop.

They will, but not for another year or two. They've got more to leak, their daughter's birth to merch, a few more 'bombshell' interviews to give, and so forth. The momentum will keep them going for the rest of this year and probably the next. Once the attention dies down and the public is thoroughly sick of them, that's when they'll claw each other to shreds.

Dax Shepard referred to Harry as an “intellectual” on Twitter, lol. That tells me how seriously I can take him.

Harry the toddler man-child, what a catch!

I’m surprised HM hasn’t commented on here yet- she often does. What a dull thread.

The RF are furious with Harry, but they’ve got to be worried about him too. Even Anne, tough as she is, has always has a soft spot for him. They know how messed up he is. William and Charles are probably very concerned. Angry, but wanting to reach out and make sure he’s okay.

Reading Harry’s quotes, I think he may not have meant to totally trash his father and grandparents but was trying to give himself a pat on the back for his intentions to create a different childhood for his kids. Of course, he’s not very articulate so it came out ass backwards.

Ironically William has also made the effort to break the cycle of things. As a kid, he had to face a wall of photographers on the first day of school, at the start of skiing vacations, etc. He hated it and he changed it. Now Kate takes a photo or two and they release it to the press. The press howled at the start, but the Cambridge’s held firm and now it’s accepted. William and Harry had several nannies, but he and Kate have kept Maria since George was a baby. Little by little we see how the unhealthy cycle gets broken, but sadly it’s only William who has figured this out.

At the rate they are going, the Sussexes will be lucky if their son and daughter only turn out to be useless, lazy 'influencers.' That is literally the best-case scenario.

I bet they're even more worried after that interview with those two morons. Probably bolsters their concerns about Harry being around the wrong sort of people off in California. I'm sure the "shitting on the kitchen table" line went over big at Clarence House.

The family is worried, I mean. Charles is a sensitive guy, he must be filled with dread.

[quote]Reading Harry’s quotes, I think he may not have meant to totally trash his father and grandparents but was trying to give himself a pat on the back for his intentions to create a different childhood for his kids.

R294. Don't just read Harry's comments. If so, things tend to seem harsh and cold like you're reading a transcript from a court case. You have to listen to the podcast and hear this buffoon--both of them Dax Shepard and Harry Markle. Harry was quite relaxed and forthcoming in his chatter. Nothing was forced, strained, troubled or awkward. Harry said what he meant--and meant what he said. He wasn't angry. He was very casual and matter of fact. He tried to come off as a mental health expert simply because he was in therapy but in reality he was a horse's ass. The whole thing was word salad bullshit.

I'm actually dreading what we'll be subjected to once Baby Mountbatten-Windsor #2 is born. Up until now we've been mostly exposed to Harry's rantings and goofball appearances, on the likes of Cordon, etc. (The Oprah spectacle being an exception).

Once Lady Ariel Diana or whatever comes, and Meghan gets herself into even basic presentable shape, we'll have to put up with double the trouble as both of them will be competing as to who can make the most outlandish, victim-y and banal word salad statements and interviews. A volume of self-centered smug sanctimony, but in stereo. God help us.

Harry's the great mental health expert and yet he couldn't help his wife from wanting to kill herself. He couldn't recommend a fucking person even though she suggested he get help while they living at Kensington Palace before their marriage. That's what Harry said on the Dax podcast. Where were Harry's therapists when Markle needed one? Instead, Markle went to the Buckingham Palace HR department. It's laughable. The entire thing is fucking bullshit lying nonsense.

One thing to look forward to is live appearances. Surely by fall Meghan will be keen to turn up at some gala, all glammed up.

R161 It will all end badly. I think there is a real possibility that Harry may take his own life.

I remember one of the earlier Sussex threads talking about that peaceful country estate in Wales that Charles had bought with the intention of one day giving it to Harry. That could just be a father who loves houses and architecture preparing something for his son, but it could also have been because he knew that one day Harry would need total privacy, peace, and quiet.

I could see Harry having a mental breakdown during the divorce and his family stepping in to take care of him. If he's truly unstable with addiction issues, they may be more patient with him than we have been. Certainly more patient than Meghan will be.

Shepard is trash, I see an off the rails bromance.

Lady C suggested on her show the other day that there were rumours that Megs and co may have behind the scoop about Prince Michael. If that is even partially true that makes Megs and Harry potentially dangerous blackmailers. I can’t believe it on one hand but then...

Behind literally, not just promoting a story but perhaps in some way helping to create it. There were attempts to entrap other members of the BRF per her vid.

R173 I'm not a Charles fan, but I am the son of a single parent. Like Harry, I had a parent die (my father) when I was 8. My mother had to raise my brother and I on her own while balancing a demanding job. We did not have multiple Palaces to live in, nannies, cooks, footmen, or the Spice Girls singing at our birthday parties & I am beyond grateful for what my mom did. We had a difficult relationship when I came out and it took years to get us back on good ground, but that's family life for you. Most parents do the best they can with the cards they are dealt. Harry is a multimillionaire who has never had to work for anything in his life, he is not a victim, he is not suffering.

OP, he sounds like he's got some serious coke rage going on, so yeah, he's gone native California for sure.

Harry is angry at Charles, because it’s easy to be mad at the parent who is still alive.

Diana was dating Dodi Fayed, she was not going to be the perfect parent either but because she died when Harry was young she is viewed as a saint.

R310 Yup! 100%. What's funny is that Diana was actually more of a disciplinarian than Charles and I suspect her relationship with Harry would've been more fraught as he grew up.

If Charles is guilty of anything it is being over indulgent with Harry likely out of a sense of guilt.

Why didn't Harry help his wife get a therapist to counsel her against her potential suicide? He said that his wife was instrumental in suggesting he seek therapy. Since he's such a mental health expert, what did he do for her when she said she wanted to kill herself? Someone lied to Oprah and to the world.

R14 A ‘gentleman farmer’ doesn’t do the mucky work. They just live a semi city life in the country.

Just setting the timer to wake me up in thirty years so that I can hear Archie and the no longer putative Princess Diana the Second caterwauling about their elderly parents.

Just How Low Can Harry Go?

He must break cycle of 'genetic pain and suffering' passed on from Charles and Queen.

(But he couldn't find his wife a therapist when she wanted to commit suicide...or grift. Darn, I always get those two things confused.)

What about how Meghan Markle was raised? It seems that her parents did a pretty shitty job with her--maybe even worse than Harry's parents did with him. Meghan's parents taught her to be a mean girl and to lie, grift and deceive...also to embarrass her in-laws on television and ruin their character and reputation. But this seems to be all about Harry. No one has said anything how this evil little Markle bitch was raised and how she turned out to be so fucking awful.

Is Meghan also going to break the "genetic pain and suffering" from Doria and Tom Markle...as well as from her grandparents?

There is an essential truth in what you've written, R316, and that is nobody cares about Meghan without Harry. At least he has a long pedigree, lifelong fame, and a dead, tragic mother to keep people interested in him. Without Harry, Meghan is a 40-year-old D-lister with exactly 1 supporting role on 1 basic cable series to her credit. She's done nothing since Harry married her to show that she is anything but venal, vindictive, and vastly overestimating her own charisma and intelligence. Without Harry, she'll go on the discard pile with Heather Mills and Marla Maples.

This truth may make the marriage last longer than we thought it would.

Of course Harry won’t be allowed to play dune buggies with Dax. His wife is a straight-haired blonde who made a fortune playing a Disney Princess. Meghan doesn’t want to face that if the couples got together.

I had no idea he's married to Kristen Bell. Then again I'd never heard of him before yesterday.

Dax is a C-lister. His wife is a B-lister and has had a steady career for 20 years both on tv and films. She also does commercial spokesperson gigs which also pay well. She sounds like a decent person in interviews because she doesn’t take herself seriously, quite the opposite. I think she knows the limited extent of her appeal as an actress, and she’s glad to be a well-paid actress still in the game after many years. I doubt a fake and high maintenance woman like Meghan would be her ideal type of bestie.

She had a very successful Broadway career and she voiced Anna in Frozen and Frozen 2.

She only did 2 or 3 shows on Broadway before moving to California nearly 20 years ago.

She was Veronica Mars, too. I’m sure Meghan hates her.

The worst part about the interview (judging solely on the excerpts in the Guardian), is how stupid he seems. He's basically repeating what he's heard from his own therapist, self-help books, his new buddies at CorporateCoaching (or whatever it's called), and his wife. The sentiments are fine, but it's something to discuss over a post-squash beer with a friend. The only reason he gets to talk about it on a podcast is because he's a royal.

All the talk of breaking the cycle for his kids makes him sound like a teenager vowing to do things differently than his horrible parents, and so very naive about the fact that, to paraphrase the Philip Larkin poem posted above, he may in turn fuck up his kids, just in different ways.

R316, I guess because humanitarianism is meant to be Meghan's brand, while mental health is Harry's thing--he has no job skills or other relevant experience. He needs to promote BetterUp and this Apple show. It's all he's got.

Re them being friends with Dax and Kristen Bell: I think it sounds like a perfect match. Meghan, Duchess of Somewhere, friend of Oprah, and chatelaine of Montecito, could match Kristen's show business success. The Bells seem to be similarly politically engaged--didn't I recently read that Kristen re-made Hangman games with her children to be less lynching-like? She and Meghan could do yoga and activism together; Harry and Dax could bond over their love of drink and drugs and petite, bossy, cross-eyed women.

R325’s last line made me bark out an ugly ugly laugh. So early in the morning, too.

Their zeal for parenthood and their determination to be so very correct is to laugh. I had a coworker who used to tell the pregnant ladies and new parents: “just wait...” if someone asked her to explain, she’d say “You’ll see”. Muahahaha.

R149 - Part of the problem is the Daily Mail chasing hate clicks for $$$$. If the Daily Mail would quit covering Harry, he would fade away as no publication gives coverage to Harry like the Daily Mail.

Isolation from all extended family on both sides, as one, R324.

Harry is a young teen in the body of a middle aged man. His burbling self help platitudes is parroting, not insight. His destructive behavior towards others to make a buck has not changed. Not surprisingly given his wife and his life choises of late, he seems utterly miserable.

Maybe Marina Abramovic will take him under her dark wing, if she really is attached to the Apple product.

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"I remember one of the earlier Sussex threads talking about that peaceful country estate in Wales that Charles had bought with the intention of one day giving it to Harry."

R303 - Whatever you read was not correct. That estate was purchase and totally renovated for William so Charles does not have to leave Highgrove House when he becomes Charles III. William has no desire to live there at this time.

Matt..., S.Wales, United Kingdom, 11 hours ago

It is absolutely pathetic how they're making their money by selling his family down the river constantly as they don't have an ounce of talent between them. Its embarrassing.

Fredericka Krueger, Minneapolis, United States, 11 hours ago

Honestly everyone is getting tired of this perpetual victimhood era in the world and even more so when the whiny drivel comes from a couple of ungrateful 40 year old overblown windbags who are on a revenge tantrum tour because they couldn't get their way.

Veteran1, USA, United States, 9 minutes ago

Biting the hand that feeds you Harry!!.....

Barry G, Hau Hin, Thailand, 1 hour ago

This may be the final straw and time a thorough DNA test was done. He certainly no longer behaves as if he is Charles's son. Their have always been doubts and now is the time to prove his birthright one way or the other. He acting more like the Markles than Windsors.

Mrs J P, London, United Kingdom, 7 hours ago

You will want your family Harry before they want you mark my words

mimi, Cologne, Germany, 1 hour ago

Weirdly he did not mentioned how his family covered all his stupid Actions. Did You ever thaught about it why there were so little coverage about H. in Vegas? Only few pics. I bet the Firm let their lawyers kill the story with money and NDA's. This was ok back then, but now they are all evil.

Interesting headline from CBS

R330 - This is the estate Harewood Park. Harewood Park is a rural estate of 900 acres (360 ha) in the civil parish of Harewood in Herefordshire, England, which has been owned by the Duchy of Cornwall since 2000. It is approximately midway between Hereford and Ross-on-Wye.

Harry seems down to inflict plenty of pain and suffering himself, at a particularly vulnerable time of mourning.

Narcs and sociopaths do not become more insightful with talk therapy, rather they adopt "therapy speak" and feel even more superior and entitled.

Denmark's second son is struggling to find his place in that Royal Family as well.

Harry and Meghan have been moved from the Royal section of Madame Tussaud's. They're in the Hollywood section now.

Two good threads so indulge me for posting this twice:

[quote]Harry seems to be a textbook self-destructive personality type. Though he claims to be free and happy, he comes across as more bitter and angry than ever before.

I honestly think it's Stockholm syndrome. You have to ask: is his own ambivalence and vulnerability being effectively exploited, instinctively if not intentionally? Or is he just that big an asshole, seeking revenge for whatever he's cooked up in his obviously far from done with therapy head? I don't see a malicious man child at heart. I think it's more about Stockholm than vengefulness.

Undeniably, understandably, he was messed up by the bitterness of his parents' failing marriage, divorce, and ongoing sniper attacks. Then his loving, sometimes loony mother dies violently, unexpectedly and in the worst possible circumstances - pursued by the photographers they all despise. Then his father married the mistress not uninvolved in the whole spectacle. Then he's permanently number two in an institution that is constructed around structure.

But it seemed outwardly, latterly he was finding his way. It seems evident he was much indulged and truly much loved.

And now he's making the noises he makes, living in another country, attacking a family that is imperfect but as families go, pretty supportive. If it's true he was offered opportunities to separate and live quietly. But he's got to grind the axe, twist the knife, divide to conquer.

Stockholm syndrome. I don't feel sorry for him. He's increasingly repulsive.

R337 Wait till they hear! Harry and Meghan are gonna have a melt-down.

[quote]Meghan advised him: 'You don't need to be a princess, you can create your own life better than any princess'

OMG she is preventing them from transitioning! This is LITERAL DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!

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R204 - Fantastic post, and your first sentence nails the crux of the dilemma Harry is strung up on: he keeps telling the world he left, but he hasn't, he can't stop exposing his angry bitter soul to the world, and he can't stop talking about the Windsors. He'll have really "left" when he stops making his royal childhood his calling card, and gives up the titles the institution of royalty gave him.

He hasn't left at all.

It would play like Greek tragedy if there were some grandeur to it, but Charles isn't Agamemnon, Diana wasn't Clytemnaestra, Harry isn't Orestes (although it's clear he can't rid himself of the Furies), and Meghan isn't Elektra. If anyone comes in for a likely slot in the tragedy of the House of Atreus, it's William and Kate as Hector and his dutiful, long-suffering wife, Andromache (although hopefully not to suffer the same fate as the originals).

It is clear why they are pitching to youth, in their immaturity and developmental statge it is the best fit.

Borrowing this comment

"His former life may have been a combo the Truman show and a zoo. This new life in California ain’t nothing but a combination of a shit show and the Beverly hillbillies."

Family dynamics aside, it is treasonous behavior. That he is in the LOS is concerning, esp with all of the Cambs travelling together by helicopter frequently.

I feel sorry for Harry. He talks about the environment and then marries the biggest piece of plastic in the World. Talk about fucked up.

They should have listened to Philip on this.

The silence of Britain's political leaders, Boris in particular, is odd.

Of course given her longevity and earned respect, the Queen has enormous discretion in handling Harry.

But ultimately the RF's power and status are gifts of the state. Harry isn't just Harry in the U.S. He's Prince Harry Duke of Sussex and as such he represents, for better or worse, Britain and its people. Harry isn't just a family problem, he's a political problem, too.

Point is, if the Government of the Day decides it's time for Harry to become civilian, then poof! he'll be a civilian.

So what are you waiting for, Boris?

[quote]The silence of Britain's political leaders, Boris in particular, is odd.

I don't think so. This is a sideshow. They would defer to the monarchy on errant family and the long game in the UK everywhere has usually been less is more. Edward VIII was exiled more by omission than commission and allowed to keep a title.

I got thinking of Diana this morning, though. Once she went too far - with Panorama - the drawbridge went up and the portcullis came down. She instantly lost whatever residual support she had from the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh. I wonder if Harry's had his Panorama moment. Remember William was reportedly incensed at the disrespect they showed the Queen over the 'service is universal' fridge magnet. Not hard to imagine he isn't singing Kumbayah over them embarrassing the Queen and the DofE.

What are her wretched, delusional stans saying on this thread? I've got them all on block. Is reality penetrating in even the smallest way?

Is it a coincide after someone was the prominent character in the Orca mess that someone else is now being pushed forward as the face of villainy in the aftermath?

R351 The Government was heavily involved in the arrangements and terms for Edward VIII's departure.

As to Harry, he is moving towards a direct attack on the institution embodying the Head of State. On a personal level, the Queen may well be reluctant to act against Harry. Given her age alone, she can't be eager for conflict.

All that understood, the Government nonetheless can not stand by while Harry and Meghan edge ever closer to openly trying to destroy the institution.

"If I can't be king, I'll make certain nobody can."

Do your duty Boris.

R350 - Focus of the tabloids on the Sussexes keeps the tabloid focus off Boris, his baby-mama, designer wall paper and nightmare John Lewis furniture. Boris will keep the Sussexes around as long as possible.

I didn't say the government wasn't involved, R354, I said they all conspired to leave Edward VIII with as much dignity as they could stomach, so as to minimise his antics and keep him on a leash. Gut him - or Harry - and they've lost what little control they have. I guess I am reading a subtext from your posts that public humiliation is necessary. That is unhelpful with these two. But I wouldn't be surprised if they're pulling out the stops behind the scenes, government, crown and family. The one luxury they have is some time. Everything Harry does now makes him look worse. So they can think it through.

But I think we're more in agreement than not that these two need to cease to exist officially (if not in my view formally), like with the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

But I'll bet you any money they are looking at a long term strategy if they really exile them that would also allow them to rehabilitate a divorced Harry in a decade or so. Powerful story, redemption. George the V jettisoned the Germans to survive. They'll do what they have to in aid of survival.

I have to believe the Queen is the last sovereign who believes all this is a mission from God. Charles may believe he's God's representative on earth for organics. William probably sees a duty but not a divine mission. So do you suppose William looks around, looks at his children, contemplates their happiness and half thinks oh, let the whole thing go in twenty years time. Or do they still believe they are who they are, this is their lot, and there is worth and purpose in fulfilling the role of monarchy in the life of the nation? They're going to be rich and living in comfort no matter what happens. I wonder if Charles and William are tiring of it all, one more than the other. And with that idiot on the loose, running his mouth...

".Are they really fronting millions to Sunshine Sucks for daily+ planted stories ALL on their own? "

The Daily Mail prints Sussex stories of their own accord because Sussex stories generate revenues for the Daily Mail.

Would ANY therapist advise Harry to do what he’s doing? In the interest of healing his emotional wounds, is it healthy to speak specifically about family members the way he is? I can’t think of any licensed professional who would nod and say “Yes, it can be very healing to broadcast criticism of your father’s parenting style to thousands of strangers.”

Naturally people with mental health issues want to focus on mental health issues. Crazy people gravitate toward the field the way power-tripping psychos join the police force. (Yes, I’m aware that not ALL cops are on power trips or ALL psych professionals are emotional cripples!)

R356 Yes, we agree that somehow they need to be kept from harming the institution. The question is the best way to do that.

I just think the Queen's soft approach hasn't been very effective, obviously, and that it's time for the heavies to turn some screws.

R360, I think there’s still some time for the Queen to give them a little more rope. The Sussexes WANT to goad the BRF into action

Although... cutting them completely now is tricky because Mm is pregnant. But if they wait until Baby Di is born, then she can claim postpartum depression (she probably will, anyway, paving the way for a campaign and book) and how cruel to cut off a newborn.

Hmm, maybe you’re right.

R361 The basic difficulty is that the Queen is 95 and Charles is the definition of a ditherer. William seems indifferent to holding the throne. Charlotte's the only one with backbone in that branch of the family and she's still a bit young.

So leaving it to the RF to resolve won't resolve anything. And I bet Harry, who knows his family perfectly well, knows this perfectly well also.

Charles wanted to issue a point by point rebuttal! You can see where the whinging behavior comes from. Would have been gasoline on the fire while his father was dying. Grey rock is the most effective approach to narcs. Even negative attention is fuel to them.

R363 But Charles didn't issue his rebuttal! Dither is his middle name, among several.

He did not because far WISER heads prevailed.

Attempting to shame narcs does not rein them in it only fuels more narc rage.

I think the Narkles are doing a good job burning out their prospects. Who will want to socialize or do business with them?

Oooooooh, that ship sailed a long time ago. I think r64.

Keeping people locked in emotional thinking is one of the key ways narcs remain in control. Cool heads, strategy and grey rock are far more effective.

Oops, meant to type r6. Not r64, sorry.

R362 is seriously attributing backbone to a six year old child we know nothing about?

Stealing from elsewhere...

"Two professional users Marcus Anderson and Oprah have done a number on him too, and there might be some religious indoctrination going on too. He is acting like a manic bopolar soaking up conspiracy theories and racing around trying to get validation of those conspiracies against him. It doesn't matter where the validation originates, know-nothing talentless Dax is fine, whatever.

Earlier interview he asserted that Palace operatives manipulate and control the Queen and Chaz, that they are trapped and helpless, and that if he could only talk and educate them, they could be free like he is. He ran over to the funeral like a lunatic, on his rescue mission, barely noticing what was going on around him. He is just lost."

He was so abused yet was cheesing around for photo ops at a FUNERAL. He has PTSD from cameras but seeks them out at every turn? He needs privacy but has monetized trashing his family to millions rather than develop an actual adult career.

Dr. Phil has them booked for December, r18.

Title of show: The New Co-Dependency and Link to Low IQs

You know, a year or so ago I would have agreed with the "they'll burn out" view. But fact is they haven't and Harry's internal fire still seems ablaze. So time to dial 999 and bring out the fire brigade.

r32 - Katy Perry is a huge fan of the BRF. And Harry. Perry would kill to be BFF with MM.

Saw this elsewhere, R374. Is associating with the Narkles really a route to connection with the BRF?

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WTH?! BFFs with Orlando Bloom who is on a show that mocks his nephew?

Harry reveals he's been bonding with neighbours Orlando Bloom and Katy Parry

What would that look like, R373? They cannot be silenced.

They certainly have lost much of their prestige and cachet as well as the illusion that they are some connection/hook up to the BRF, just in the past few months. It appears that Charles has cut off funds and any vestiges of being working royals have been removed - patronages, etc. What exactly can be done that will not just fuel additional years worth of whinging? He is starting to run thin of material, why provide more? They are of little public draw, why fan the flames by ACTUALLY making him seem hard done by?

Recollections may vary and much loved were masterstrokes.

Harry's current spiral is very similar to his mother's rageouts. No long-term strategy, just short-term tactics meant to wound her 'wrongdoers' and get maximum press coverage. I don't know where these behaviors will lead him, but it can't be anywhere good.

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R376 Cut the titles. Cut the money. Cut the cottage. Cut the trips "home." Cut the line to the throne. And for their descendants, too (nothing will strike at M harder).

There's another good Americanism Harry should learn: Dead to me.

Per Dan Wooton, Charles wants to bring them back into the fold, R379.

They have cut the money, he has been whinging about that for months.

They may have never lived in the cottage and felt insulted by it, it is not some prized toy.

Banning him from his grandfather's funeral would have made his grievances seem valid.

He will learn about dead to me from MeAgain in due time.

Charles seems to be dealing with his guilt about his ex-wife by endlessly indulging his son. He should have listened to his own father and cut them off a year ago.

I predict a retooled The Talk in September with new moderator Meghan, The Duchess of Psychobabble. Her co-hosts will be required to ask her daily if she is o.k.

Or better yet, she can take over Ellen's newly vacated spot, she can continue the "be kind" mantra that they both don't practice.

The money has already been cut off. They've made the trips home so unpleasant that it seems doubtful Harry will want to go to Trooping the Color, etc. Harry and Meghan don't want Frogmore Cottage. The BRF will leave them the titles, which look increasingly absurd, and the place in the succession, which will mean less and less as William's children grow older.

At this point it's like waiting for a toddler throwing a tantrum to wear himself out.

R380 - I don't know how Dan Wootton would know what Charles wants but if it's true, Charles is a fool.

Harry is dead to Britain.

Perhaps perhaps perhaps Charles is leaving the door open a crack because he knows that Markle will discard Harry at some point. The children will be lost, but perhaps Charles can get his son back. Some parents never give up hope. It may be partly guilt, of course. But regardless, it shows that Charles cares. Simp that he is.

R381 "They may have never lived in the cottage and felt insulted by it, it is not some prized toy."

I do think the Queen knew exactly what she was doing giving them a place right under the Heathrow flight path that looks like the slave quarters on a Southern plantation. Angela probably helped her pick it out. Imagine the girly giggles between them.

Are you fucking kidding me? Frogmore Cottage is a historic property on the Windsor estate that was renovated to the tune of several million pounds. Hardly slave quarters.

That entire part of England, including Windsor Castle itself, is under the Heathrow flight path.

R387, I am beyond positive that there is a real story there. Right after the wedding there was a spate of articles about which residence they’d be given as a wedding present.

Long story short, I suspect there was a tussle, with the Surplus Sussexes wanting grander, and Queen Elizabeth said “What Meghan is given, Meghan gets”.

R385, he hasn’t endeared himself to the US by calling our First Amendment rights “bonkers”. Shit on your own kitchen table, asshole.

If Meghan ever runs for office, that comment won’t be helpful.

I can't see Meghan being friends with Kristen Bell. Kristen is a blue eyed blonde who has starred in multiple TV shows for almost 20 years, not to mention being an official Disney Princess. Meg would hate her almost as much as Kate.

Harry = Grossness

Another perspective, which would make Charles dumber than Dim if true.

"I’m late to party today, but the interview confirms to me Harry is ok and encourages Meghan’s bs. I’m sure he’s also ok with her cosplaying Diana for sympathy, probably encouraged her to. He hates Diana as much as he hates William. She’s just a mule for him burn it all down because he such a coward to do it himself. The same way he wanted to leave Royal duties for years, but he only waited and then used Meghan to do his dirty work. He’s a passive aggressive asshole, and I’m happy he’s getting exposed."

One story was that they pocketed the reno funds, R388, triggering the requirement to pay it back. Some who walk their dogs in the area (the public can get very close to FC) have said it has never appeared that anyone has lived there since staff left. Doubt we will get the true story re: that anytime soon, but photos per also posted on SM ostensibly of vines growing across the guard station at the Montecito house, much of this is smoke and mirrors. More may come out in time.

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Ah yes, the easy comparison of child sexual abuse and - checks notes- being royalty. FUCK OFF HARRY.

Harry asked him what it was like to take a 's***load' of drugs when he was young after suffering sexual abuse as a child - while also speaking about his own experience of 'pain' as a senior royal.

Paint it white and you've got Frogmore Cottage.

It was astonishing, R396.

Harry might benefit more from a group therapy experience where he is exposed to other perspectives and where his grandiosity would be ripped apart. That said, narcs and the other personality disordered do not really change. Individual therapy has given him more word salad but seems to have merely fueled his sense of narc victimhood and narc rage.

What's a "narc"?

Fuck off R397. Slavery was NEVER legal in England (or anywhere in the British Isles).. Frogmore Cottage was built for royals to live in, you race-baiting shit head.

R394 You can’t get anywhere near Frogmore Cottage. The public can’t see it in any way. The idiot who keeps pretending that no one ever lived there is deluded.

R400 "Frogmore Cottage was built for royals to live in."

The Munshi, Queen Victoria's Indian manservant, was assigned quarters at Frogmore Cottage. You may not know that history, but the Queen certainly does.

'Nuff said.

You are an idiot, R401. Blocked.

Windsor Great Park open for walking even during cv.

The cottage was built as a retreat for Queen Charlotte (wife of George III) and her unmarried daughters. Abdul Karim, Victoria's private secretary, lived there in the late 19th Century. Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrova lived there in her exile after the Russian Revolution. To refer to it as slaves' quarters is ludicrous.

That said, it's not a country house like Anmer Hall or a huge, posh apartment in Kensington Palace. But if Harry and Meghan wanted those things, they should have behaved better.

Exactly, R405.

The grounds and setting are said to be lovely, in fact there are photos of Charles and the Queen walking at Frogmore just before Easter.

R394 - You are a shit-stirring Troll! The Klan Grannies are too good for you!

The Sussexes did not pocket the renovation funds as the renovation were paid directly by The Sovereign Grant. The money never came anywhere the Sussexes bank account. Eugenie York and Jack Brooksbank are currently living in Frogmore Cottage per The Daily Mail and Tatler.

Why are you reposting a falsehood comment you posted over 6 months ago that has been disproved many times over?

R401 is not an idiot and knows much more than R394

This podcaster thinks Haz is narcissistic but not a narc himself and thinks he is under the spell of MeGain. It may become more clear in time.

R402 - The Munshi, was NOT a manservant . The Munshi was Queen Victoria's Indian courtier. This is born out in Letters Patent issued by Queen Victoria defining his role in great detail.

I grew up in Surrey & spent most weekends walking the dogs at Windsor Great Park.

Frogmore Cottage is near the castle AND YOU CAN’T GET ANYWHERE NEAR IT. You certainly can’t see it, R403....and I don’t give a fuck what Marie Clare says.

The description of Charles as a narcissit makes a lot of sense, they often do pair with borderlines. And it would explain his trying to do facade management and maintain control with the idea of a point by point rebuttal even though anyone would known that would be a disaster. Hmmm.

R405 - Thank You for speaking the truth in the war on the Know-nothing Falsehood Trolls

R411 - Thank You for speaking the truth in the war on the Know-nothing Falsehood Trolls

Bet Lizzie and Cha yearn for the day when they could just dispatch them to the Tower.

Is everyone a narcissist now? As long as we are labeling everyone, I think Meghan is a true narcissist and Harry isn’t. Don’t think Charles is, either.

Some people are assholes, though.

The Apple show airs next Friday, wonder what other promo he will do in the meantime? Gayle King?

I can only imagine the show:

"So, you were an orphan who was bumped around the foster care system and dumped on your ass at 18 with nothing? Well, let me tell you about the horrors of being the spare to the throne!"

Charles probably doesn't have narcissistic tendencies simply because he's been the heir to the throne practically since birth and treated as someone better and apart from others. However, the amount of good he's done through the Prince's Trust suggests that he is an empathetic person despite his shortcomings.

[quote]But if Harry and Meghan wanted those things, they should have behaved better.

Disagree. There's a pecking order. That's how the spoils are divided. He's the grandson of the current monarch. Sixth in line to the throne (which all things considered, might as well be sixtieth, so low are the odds of him succeeding - now thank we all our God.) When he is son of the monarch, he probably gets a better place.

^ sorry which is to say at this point isn't gonna happen because he's so happy in La-La Land South.

There were frequent rumors before the Frogmore announcement that Harry and Meghan would get the big KP apartment next door to Will and Kate and either Adelaide or York Cottage as a country place. This would make sense since the BRF was planning for the Sussexes to have a prominent role as senior royals in the future.

All that went away when it became clear that Meghan could not, would not get along with her in-laws and that Harry would not intervene. Then it was off to Windsor with them.

Prince Harry’s broadside leaves senior royals bemused over his ‘woeful lack of compassion'

R422- Sorry, that is paywalled. I will try to copy it.

Harry has always lacked empathy - look at how he treated his girlfriends, animals, his grandfather, now the rest of the family. For people like that, others being vulnerable, grieving, feels like an opportunity or even a trigger of anger as attention is shifted to the deceased, or the Queen.

Thanks, R423.

Charles is/ was not a narcissist. By all and every account even from those who aren’t fond of him, they all say he’s extremely sensitive almost to a fault. Being sensitive is the antithesis of narcissism.

Charles was bullied relentlessly from the time he was a young child to young adulthood. In Sally Bedell Smith’s biography on him, there are some sad stories about his sensitive personality that coupled with bullying, made for an intolerable childhood. At school he was bullied for being the heir, physically attacked and verbally abused. When hecwas first sent away to school, he cried into his stuffed toys in private. Other boys made it a sport to see how far they could bully him, it became a badge of honor. As a result he developed empathy early on, which added onto an already sensitive nature.

It makes total sense that the woman he truly loves and gave his mother the only ultimatum he ever gave her, that Camilla was mon-negotiable, is someone who listens to him and builds his confidence up. He was never going to be happy with needy and crazy Diana, who not only needed emotional support but serious mental health treatment.

Charles also had a close relationship with his grandmother, the Queen Mum. He openly acknowledged that it was she who showed him physical affection and instead of denying his sensitive nature, she celebrated it. She made sure he knew it was a good thing and not a detriment, that he appreciated the things like opera, not just extroverted sports that his own father steered him towards.

Psychiatrists were called in for Diana on the honeymoon and she was treated for the rest of her life. Some things are not fixable.

Harry is a mess. Hard to imagine Charles opening his arms when the rest of the family made their feelings known. He surely cannot imagine Harry or Meghan is going to CHANGE?

There’s a story in Smith’s biography of Charles that demonstrates just how sensitive he was as a child. Charles ever so eager to please, was at a family dinner when he started taking off the stem of strawberry he was about to eat. Uncle Mounbatten noticed the faux pas and instructed him that the stems were supposed to be kept on to use as handle to dip the strawberries into chocolate. Charles was so mortified that he spent the next few minutes trying to put the stem back onto the strawberry.

Sorry, I do not know how to get past a paywall. R425-- I never really liked Harry, and once I learned of his animal abuse, that made me despise him. Even so, I found his complete lack of empathy or respect for his family at Prince Phillip's funeral sociopathic. He showed zero grief or sadness, and he acted out his disrespect on live television, in front of millions. This is yet again their attempt at blackmail. This may be the first time Harry has ever been told no by trf. Harry has no idea that people dislike him. He thinks he is still in the UK, the beloved, cheeky Harry. He is has never matured past adolescence. Both of them are stuck in their teens emotionally. They are both completely lazy, vengeful, jealous. Covets, they covet all they see. Harry wants to be equal to William and Charles. In power as well as a piece of the duchy. Even if that impossibly were to occur, they both would still be unhappy, still want more. Black holes.

At what point will the government want to step in? They can't be allowed to continue embarrassing and damaging the monarchy. They set Prince Michael up, and it is said, (Lady C) that they may have tried to blackmail as many as three other members of trf? If so , they are dangerous to trf. The people of the UK are calling for their titles to be taken .

If people can’t see what a sensitive bloke Charles is, look no further than Phillip’s funeral. He was the only one who visibly showed immense grief. Sensitivity is a trait that stays with a person throughout life, same goes for sociopathy.

Can’t the people of Sussex launch a petition to formally condemn being represented figuratively by Harry and Meghan? As in please Betty, could you pull the rug under these two ingrates?

Not at all true, R431, you must have missed Anne, the Queen, the Wessexes, etc.

Charles has been very unfairly blamed , imo. Diana wanted to be adored 24/7. She wanted romance novel days, everyday. James Hewitt said he had to tell her she was beautiful so much that he thought it sounded insincere. Charles has a schedule made planned up to a year ahead. He can't let people down to stay in bed all day whispering words of love to his wife. Diana resented that. She did undermine him and try to steal all of the attention at times. She leaked horrible stories to media about what a bad husband and father Charles was. When William had a head injury and needed surgery, PC stayed at the hospital until he was safely out of surgery and wanted to stay with Diana overnight. She insisted that wasn't necessary and had him leave. Then she tipped off the press that he left her and their injured son alone overnight at the hospital. She left the hospital alone, looking tired and pitiful. Charles caught hell for that for years. She did things like that to him all of the time. I do believe he has empathy and us thoughtful. All three of them have a horrific temper. Harry will make up something shocking, sexual abuse. If Harry can't be king, he will burn it down.

R428, feeling shame or embrassment is different than empathy for others. Not saying he has none, but your example does not demonstrate empathy towards others. The Trust could be that or could also be narcissistic, wanting to be seen in a particular way.

That goal certainly fits the actions, R434. Are they paying the PR bills alone, at one point estimated at 7 mil, or ???

According to Lady C that allegation was floated re: TM when she was researching her book. So, would not be surprised. There is no low too low for the Narkles.

They must have another backer. Oprah? Does this mean that much to her? She had them put up in Tyler Perry's house. She has helped them quite a bit and for a long time now. Someone trying to damage the monocracy? They have a big backer/backers. They cant afford the PR alone, much less their expensive lifestyle.

It does seem disproportionate to their funds. Maybe it will become more clear in time.

Re R437, I do not mean to minimize CSA in any way, but right up until she met H, MeGain would gush about TM and was very involved with him. Then, per Lady C, a souce close to H and likely given the "story" on purpose, made the allegations that had never been raised before.

R428 I didn’t say that story demonstrated empathy. I said sensitivity.

As I always post I think Charles is a wonderful man. He loves art, history, architecture, gardens and is ready to lend a hand to help others and projects he believes in. 20 years ago he helped my friends and I on a restoration of a historic palace project. It meant a big difference to our success that he demonstrated his support for what we were doing. He is very supportive of gay men. I think one of the reasons he helped me was because I was gay and another that I was passionate about the same things he cared about. I will always be very grateful to him.

Right, R441, narcissists can be plenty sensitive to perceived criticism, it is a core trait, but lack genuine empathy, although they may perform empathic seeming actions for other reasons. But just from the standpoint of being sensitive to criticism, yeah, that would demonstrate it. Both may have something to do with his described need for a high degree of control, for ex, creature comforts when travelling. He had a bit of a shit childhood for sure. But, Harry is the worst of both parents and at this point, he is unlikely to change.

That is a nice story, R442.

Shame about his son, besides the vexation there must be a lot of sorrow.

Not the OP but here is article from The Telegraph

Prince Harry’s broadside leaves senior royals bemused over his ‘woeful lack of compassion' Victoria Ward

The Duke of Sussex’s broadside about the Prince of Wales has left senior royals bemused over his “woeful lack of compassion” for his own family, The Telegraph understands.

© Jordan Strauss/AP The Duke of Sussex speaks at 'Vax Live' in Inglewood, California, in early May. Prince Harry compared his life as part of the Royal family to being on 'The Truman Show' - Jordan Strauss/AP All three royal households were seemingly left reeling on Friday by the Duke’s suggestion that he had been failed not only by his own father but through association, by the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh too.

One senior aide said it seemed “unnecessarily cruel” to “throw others under the bus” whilst trying to make a point about mental health.

Another royal source said: “For a couple that have been at pains to set out their compassionate principles, they seem woefully lacking when it comes to their own family.

“It’s not just the Prince of Wales but the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh as well.

“It has been met with utter bemusement.”

There was particular bewilderment over Prince Harry’s implicit criticism of his grandparents, not least just a month after the Duke of Edinburgh’s death.

Questions were also raised about the Duke and Duchess’s continued use of their royal titles.

And aside from the highly personal content, royal sources suggested that the family was disappointed by the foul language used during the expletive-strewn 90-minute interview.

The Duke, 36, told American actor Dax Shepard that his father had treated him “the way he was treated” as he revealed that he wanted to "break the cycle" of "genetic pain" for his own children.

He told the Armchair Expert podcast: “As parents we should be doing the most we can to say, you know what, that happened to me, I’m going to make sure it won’t happen to you.

“Isn’t life about breaking the cycle? There’s no blame. But certainly when it comes to parenting, if I have experienced some kind of pain or suffering because of the pain or suffering that perhaps my father, or my parents had suffered, I’m going to make sure I break that cycle so I don’t pass it on.”

Referring to his father's relationship with his own parents and Prince Philip’s desire to send the heir to the throne to Gordonstoun School in Scotland, later described by Prince Charles as “Colditz in kilts,” he said it all came down to awareness.

“Suddenly I started to piece it all together and go, OK so this is where he went to school, this is what happened, I know this bit about his life, I also know that’s connected to his parents,” he added.

“So that means he’s treating me to the way that he was treated which means… how can I change that for my own kids?

“And now here I am. I have moved my whole family to the US. That wasn’t the plan. But sometimes you have to make decisions and put mental health first.”

His comments were met with bemusement not just at Clarence House but at Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace too, and are likely to further damage already fractured relations.

Prince Charles, 72, was said to be deeply saddened by the Sussexes’s Oprah Winfrey interview and the latest revelations make clear that the pair have not managed to clear the air.

While there is a genuine desire to build bridges with the couple, aides noted that it was impossible to rebuild something while someone kept chopping it down.

Prince Charles, who was carrying out a series of engagements in Wales on Friday, ignored questions about his son’s latest revelations. But privately, senior royals were questioning what might come next, describing the interview as just “the latest salvo” in a string of bitter recriminations.

The repeated battering of the institution has also prompted questions about why the couple continue to style themselves as Duke and Duchess, titles bestowed on them by the Queen.

Prince Harry said that privilege “gives you blinkers” and revealed he felt a deeper connection to the “emotionally free and systemic free people” he had worked with in Africa, Australia, New Zealand and Canada than those within the confines of the palace.

One aide asked why, if he considered himself no different to anyone else, he continued to use his royal title.

Concern was expressed that the couple had lost touch, apparently oblivious to the fact that the continued focus on their pain and suffering came at a time when millions had lost jobs and loved ones during a pandemic.

The Duke said during the interview that he did not consider it “complaining” but sharing his own vulnerabilities and experiences, because in doing so, he knew that it would have a positive impact on someone else’s life.

Having compared life in the Royal family to a cross between being on The Truman Show and being in a zoo, he said he realised during therapy that he needed to find a way to live his life differently.

“How are you going to make your mum proud?” he asked himself.

“How are you going to use this platform to really affect change and give people that confidence to change their own lives?”

The podcast was not the first time the Sussexes have criticised the Royal family whilst telling “their truth” during recent interviews.

It came just two months after the Sussexes’ televised interview with Winfrey, when they accused members of the Royal family of racism, claimed their pleas for help for the Duchess when she was suicidal fell on deaf ears, and claimed that the Duchess of Cambridge had made Meghan cry.

The Duke also said he felt “really let down” by his father.

The latest interview was undertaken to promote the Duke’s forthcoming AppleTV series about mental health, co-produced and co-presented with Winfrey.

Mr Shepard, who joined Winfrey to promote her latest book, What Happened to You? Conversations on Trauma, Resilience and Healing, noted at the outset that his podcast would soon move to Spotify, the streaming giant with which the Sussexes have signed a lucrative deal.

When discussing his own upbringing, the Duke mentioned that in the documentary, called The Me You Cannot See, which launches on May 21, he further discusses parenting and “breaking the cycle” of pain.

Helen Khanouci1h They apparently left Royal Family because its like living in a fish bowl and then air their dirty laundry in the media. If I was his parent I'd be devastated. Spoilt brat.

Tiny Tuds26m Says one thing and then does another. Says he wants to not be like his father who treated him how his father was treated yet... Here he is. Treating his family horribly as he supposedly was. The irony. You can't claim to want to break the cycle, then continue it. I was a victim of horrible abuse from both of my parents leaving me with PTSD. I broke the cycle, it was difficult but worth it - Also requiring over a decade of therapy. But you also have to make sure you don't enter into unhealthy relationships with an abuser too. Abused tend to be attracted to the "wrong" people, so if his family really were horrible, makes me wonder about Megan. :)

Harry never gets questioned about any of his claims but his father does. Cannot be fun.

If the bank of Dad reopened bet H would sing his praises. He wants to live a lavish life on someone else's dime. Wait till she takes him for alimony and child support. That will be a hard lesson for him. Moving to LA for privacy? Nah, was a community property state, moron.

I think it's fashionable to over-bash Diana. They both had insufficient childhoods. Given the chance to experience life and mature normally, she probably would have been a different person. She was troubled, obviously, and had a mean streak, but she was also caged and trapped and lashing out, largely friendless in an environment where when you didn't toe the line - or respect the org chart - the ranks closed against you hard. And given her emotional messiness, you got the spiteful, impulsive girl-woman we know and love/loathe. I don't excuse her - she was unquestionably her own worst enemy - but Charles was a damaged, crap husband who made things even worse. It's not like he was a perfect mate who could do no right.

At some point, by mid-life one needs to make peace with one's childhood and relations, we can't change them after all.

Harry is motivated by envy, wanting to best his brother, and laziness, wanting more for less. He is cloaking vice as virtue.

Harry has not gone "no contact" on abusers, he was cheesing about trying to use them for photo ops on the church steps. He wants them to take his calls, give him more $, more titles, and fawn over him. He wants it all every which way.

Harry has abused animals, in public, he is SCUM.

r434 So what is the solution? What is to be done about Harry?

I liked the commenter who called Meghan "Nutmeg".

Wait for them to burn themselves out and divorce, R454. Grey rock will help that happen soonest.

R454, perhaps this will shed light, I cannot take credit.

"The RF non-response and just going about their business seems like a good strategy to hasten H's journey to obscurity. The RF is embodying a saying that has been mentioned here before: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" sometimes quoted as "Never interfere with an enemy in the process of destroying himself.” Napoleon Bonaparte"

Tiegen was a suitcase girl so she and Megs go way back.

Oh dear! Maybe this is why Harry has been pushed forward. The relentless PR will keep digging the hold deeper...

Sunshine Sucks could not have done a WORSE job with this account. I am sure she is very difficult. Still.

I don't think she is the most hated. That's too strong, too intense. She's not that important, she's just that visible. I think she is the most disliked, disregarded, disdained woman in the world. She's damaged goods.

I think most hated could be Chrissy T. Were they on Deal or No Deal at the same time?

I'm sure in his addled mind it all makes perfect sense

Who will it be next week, William?

R445-- Thanks so much for posting the article. Until now all of Harry's spoiled, entitled, spiteful behavior was kept mostly private, only seen by family and staff. Now his hateful demanding manner have been made public for all to see. He has revealed his true self and it is ugly and cruel. I shudder to think what the family has witnessed and been put though all of these years. As if dealing with Hateful Harry wasn't traumatic enough, just look at the hellhag he brought home to the castle. It must be a huge relief to have them so far away, in spite of their insults and blackmail. Both Harry and Meghan have been spoiled rotten and have gotten their way all of their lives. They do not care who they step on to do it or who they hurt. People mean nothing them as they are incapable of empathy and a lack of a conscience. They both appear to me to be quite cruel, even sadistic. She is a Dark Triad. I now believe Harry is as well. This is probably the first time they have been told no, you do not get your way this time. They , not at least her, have been in a seething rage since being booted from trf. TRF have ghosted them as well. That is MM's MO. I find it fascinating psychologically. Any bets on the outcome? What the Harkles will do next? I wonder if they realize that they have absolutely no credibility . None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. They have cried wolf too much to be believed and are obviously blackmailing trf. Any predictions, DL?

I think it is more that Meghan has exposed how much of a monster H is, no? She will fade into obscurity soon enough and does not matter but for the connection. Funny how she thought the US had no tabloid culture.

I think H will claim something like sexual abuse as a child.

He will do something to really up the ante. And they tried to promote that story @ TM when LCC was researching her book through a surrogate.

richard hardaker55m Harry now seems so utterly unroyal, I wonder how long before the press ask questions as to his actual father? I guess defamation laws will prevent anything too explicit.

Brian Smylie3h This has all become very sad.

@R462-- I disagree with her, I do not think for one second that Harry has been "brainwashed" by Meghann. She was the type of wife he was looking for. Until now Meghan has been on the front lines while Harry hide back in the shadows. He wanted her to go his dirty work for him so he had plausible deniability. Harry the meek , suspectable dimwit. I would love to know why that had suddenly changed . Harry has been doing interviews, not Morticia. Harry can not play innocent victim as he had (I believe) he planned. Did H&M get unwanted news about their titles? Is this why Harry is having a full on hissy fit?

Edit @R469--+To DO his dirty work. HAS suddenly changed. HAD planned.

The Apple series has gone from 2 to 5 episodes. I suspect there will be more "shocking" revelations, true or not, from the Narkles.

Thiis is the crux of at least part of it, where did he get this idea that whinging was "work" or "service?"

"Concern was expressed that the couple had lost touch, apparently oblivious to the fact that the continued focus on their pain and suffering came at a time when millions had lost jobs and loved ones during a pandemic.

The Duke said during the interview that he did not consider it “complaining” but sharing his own vulnerabilities and experiences, because in doing so, he knew that it would have a positive impact on someone else’s life."

Although if he did not seem at all fazed by the death of his own grandfather, larking about for photo ops a the funeral, why should he care about the death of anyone else's loved one, I imagine.

They have gone full scorched earth. Harry may regret this for the remainder of his life. If they take him back at all, it will be to place him in a remote estate in isolation fron the public, at the very least . No more military uniforms, no balcony, nothing. For someone like Harry who craves attention, that will be kind of a hell. I hope she gets nothing. Harry only has his inheritance from Diana, I do not know if Meghan can touch that money. If not, she will stay until it is spent.

Borrowing this, O may have been playing the long game. And now there is that Gayle King program re: the Queen coming.

"The more I think about this, it's now becoming clear that Oprah has been grooming the Sussexes for months, if not for two or three years. Cosying up to Doria, arranging the house loan with her mate Tyler Perry, supporting the latte venture, BFFs with Gayle....

Forget the March interview - that was to appease MM's ego and to let her 'have her voice'. This one with H is the biggie she's been planning all along, and he's too dumb to see he's been played like a fiddle."

H really is a sitting duck/useful idiot/patsy. No wonder his family is worried.

For Charles.. you reap what you sow. I remember when the Nazi pictures came out he refused to make Harry officially apologize. Like he completely let him off the hook despite organizations demanding an apology. Made me question Charles’ own belief system.

I expected greater, more horrified outrage over Harry's ridiculous podcast interview with the equally ridiculous Dax Shepard. Yes sure, there was outrage, but it only lasted a day and now is dying down. Does this mean not as many people care...or they are just waiting for these two Montecito idiots to make further fools of themselves...or does the royal family think this will blow over too? But nothing really is blown over--it's just that it's not as shocking as the Oprah lie fest was.

If the royal family stay true to form, their heads will be in the sand, wishing it all away. Harry isn't going alway. In fact, I would think Harry may want to be careful about what he is saying publicly because it is clearly blackmail to me. Something must have happened the only guess I have is maybe their titles have been taken. Idk.......

Just a reminder that with careful planning California's community property laws don't mean everything is community property. H though doesn't seem to be the sort given to careful planning.

Remember him babbling to the "fake Greta" R479?

I think a form of fatigue and frankly, pity is setting in for all involved, r477. It's becoming a major family battle out in the open now. Swords drawn. Oprah is just a "tool" or pawn in the game. I still think (contrary to popular opinion here, that Dim is MM's marionette. He's got no brains per se, all blather and no intellectual fuel behind it. Her energy is what drives him - without that core energy, Harry "deflates" transmogrifies back into the empty vessel he really is.

What does the future hold?

The Marckle "attacks" will continue apace (Charles does not have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the increasingly erratic, unpredictable duo)

The media circus will only intensity - documenting an historic, transatlantic Battle Royale among senior royals intent on "erasing" and, in some cases, pulverizing each other

MM seeing her "growing infamy" will use this to serve her own purposes, mainly further leveraging her industry contracts, opportunities, network for monetary gain. It is to MM"s benefit to continue to foment dissention, feather her nest and bring Harry along for the ride

Personally, I think Charles has lost the "moral authority" to alter the outcome at this stage. He can hope but the 'horse is out the barn' and Harry is not coming back. This estrangement will likely persist to Charles' last days. Unfortunately.

It makes me think he is as delusional as Harry. How could you ever trust someone who has betrayed you this way? Wishing Harry was a different sort of person does not make it so, alas.

I wonder if they’ll end up spending all of poor Diana’s money. Those were some hard millions for her to earn. I also wonder what the Spencers think about everything that’s gone on. I guess no one cares what they think.

The Spencers have bluer blood than the Royal Family, with a far longer history as leading members of the aristocracy and close links to the Crown. I’d bet my life savings on them being appalled at what they see.

They also watched Diana try to win the media game, and saw how it destroyed her. And I think she was smarter than Harry.

There's only so much that Meghan and Harry can ratchet up the tension without flat-out lying--the tales they've already told are quickly getting stale. At this point, they have to come up with a sexual abuse story or direct accusations of racist speech/behavior aimed at named members of the BRF.

If they do that, the BRF will be forced to pull out all the stops and defend itself. That's when the government--and all that implies--would get involved. That is when every nasty little secret the Sussexes have will get spilled. They'll have to totally destroy Meghan's reputation and future, and Harry will be destroyed with her.

I don't know if Harry has the brains or insight to see how much he is reproducing his mother's tragic patterns. He may not see it until he's headed straight into a concrete pillar.

That fake, actressy look of utter adoration for Harry that NutMeg has in that Daily Mail picture at R342 makes me want to throw up. She’s always pulling that cringey look. Calculating twat.

Harry's real meltdown came in his 36th year--the same age Diana was when she died. Those kinds of anniversaries can have brutal effects on damaged psyches.

He's also experienced huge life changes since May 2018--marriage, baby, family drama, move to America, baby #2. He's not bolted tightly enough together to deal with all of that.

I think he's decompensating like crazy. This isn't going to end well.

Will MM keep popping out kid after kid to maximize her return? Bet she can carry all three (each with full backpacks and lunch boxes) on a huge bump.

If the RF follows their usual pattern, nothing will be said but the next royal biography will feature “royal sources” giving their rebuttal and it will be brutal. Charles or William might not endorse it, but H&M have trashed enough couriers and staff, they will make sure the world hears the family’s version of events.

Revisiting the things he said to fake Greta Thunberg ..... he's just so stupid, and that's disregarding the penguins and such. He told them: “From the moment that I found a wife that was strong enough to be able to stand up for what we believe in together, [that] has basically scared them so much that they’ve now come out incredibly angry, they’ve come out fighting, and all they will try and do now is try and destroy our reputation and try and, you know, sink us.”

He thinks the tabloids are collectively trying to bring him and Meghan down because she's so strong? Has no PR advisor told him to shut up, lie low, and not offer any fodder? That far from wanting to sink them, the tabloids are making tons of money off of them? The best bet really is that Meghan saw his anger and lack of brains and was able to channel it into global fame and a fabulous Montecito life.

[quote]“I do miss the Army,” Harry said. “It was a hideaway, which was great and something that I needed at that time of my life.” However, he said that one of the reasons he left was because of royal duties “and I felt unsafe flying that aircraft and not being as up-to-date and as able and skilled as everybody else.”

This is from a pre-Meghan interview in the Telegraph, May 2016, that was posted in the paywalled Recollections May Vary thread. Just wanted to put this startlingly candid quote out there:

[italic] “I felt unsafe flying that aircraft and not being as up-to-date and as able and skilled as everybody else.”

R491. Well-spotted! He’s not even smart enough to hide how privileged he has always been.

His education will have cost somewhere in the region of £400,000, and yet his academic performance was extremely poor. There is no way he would have become a helicopter pilot if he were you or I. That happened because strings were pulled by the family he so despises now.

Watch out Californians!

"Prince Harry has joined a California helicopter club, a move that will help him maintain the license that allows him to fly his wife, Meghan Markle, and their son, Archie, on trips."

R490 Diana in her awful Panorama interview also insisted that the powers that be were trying to take her down because she was a "strong woman" or some such. Of course, she was in fact terribly fragile in the ways that mattered. It was sad.

Helicopters? Oh dear.

This cartoon sums it up.

Can't help but think of John Jr.

[quote]MM seeing her "growing infamy" will use this to serve her own purposes, mainly further leveraging her industry contracts, opportunities, network for monetary gain. It is to MM"s benefit to continue to foment dissention, feather her nest and bring Harry along for the ride

I'm not sure. In the era of cancel culture, investors like a sure thing. As yourself, what is Nutmeg known for? I'd say a lot of public griping while producing little that generates returns. One thing I am sure of, there will be polling.

Harry is having an extended psychotic break.

She’s feeding his mania. After the cheering crowd at VaxLive, slapping defiantly at his father without repercussion on Dax’s podcast, he’s probably feeling invincible.

Now he’s gonna fly his little family around SoCal? I don’t doubt for a second that she’s encouraging him to fly a helicopter. I don’t believe she’ll pile herself and kids into a bucket with Harry flying it.

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Disney called her controversial over a year ago and took a pass. Imagine what corps think now?

The film boss told Mail on Sunday: "Meghan needs Disney more than Disney needs Meghan. She's a controversial figure.

One issue that really needs a focus is that this is NOT just a family matter. Harry is SIXTH line to the throne, with the Cambs flying together and his father elderly and not esp healthy seeming. His behavior is treasonous. That needs to be addressed.

Honestly, every time I see his picture I think he's 'dirty'. He looks dishevelled even when he's dressed for appearances. Frankly, I question his personal hygiene.

Talk about mental health... this guy is having a very public tantrum.

Aside from her bench book, we’ve heard nothing from M. It’s all Harry acting out. (The book debuted with very little fanfare. I suppose the tabloids did all the talking and she didn’t have to flog it as most authors must.)

As a spouse, it’s your job to support your partner, but it’s also your job to mitigate and bring them away from the brink sometimes. I’ve stopped my husband from hitting “send”, asking him to sleep on it first. He’s said “maybe you’re being a little rough on her; she’s trying”.

IMO his wife is stoking the flames, and not with benign motivation.

There is definitely a fandom for Meghan and Harry's "story," among people who feel aggrieved or oppressed by powerful forces that they think keep them down. They like the idea of sticking it to "the man" or whatever. My boomer sister yesterday asked me what I thought of the whole Harry thing. I said I thought he was being an asshole, and she was shocked: "But that FAMILY! And what they did to his mother!" Typical. But I know her, she's always had a gripe with the patriarchy (which includes the three husbands she's had so far). She's also a redhead.

If money's what counts for them, I would have thought we'd be reading leaks about the fantastic content they're working on for Netflix.

That's their golden goose, and you'd expect them to be taking very very good care of it.

But nothing. It'd hardly be a surprise if Netflix eases itself out of the arrangement. They do not need H+M or the headaches they bring. The couple is too dense to realize this, however.

The book is not out until June, R505. It was just announced to compete with the book Catherine helped put together of cv photos. I am sure we will be spammed with more re The Bench. God help us all.

Looking at the photo at R503 it is amazing how much better she looked on Suits. I think they are both spiraling. What is the role of Markus Anderson in all this and who are his backers? It is rumored both that she has been seen out and about in CAwith MA and Scoobie.

If we believe she’s actually pregnant and not using surrogate, she’s in the last stages of pregnancy. So, I’m not surprised she’s not engaging with all this. Wonder how many nannies she has for Archie.

Harry is making a huge fool of himself. This will end in tears for Harry

The helicopter news has a creepy foreshadowing vibe.

Quite agree with this.

"You can bet if Chuck started sending monthly injections of cash to HasBeen, the generational pain wouldn't hurt anymore and he would be cured.

The fact is, what PH is doing is nothing short of extortion.

As long as his cash flow is cut off, he will keep the screws on his family.

It's amazing how he spoke of no pain, in fact had nothing bad at all to say about his family, until he realized the money faucet was cut off and wouldn't be turned back on again.

He really must be missing all those free vacations and trips he took for the past 35 years the most. It doesn't seem like he's had one since he landed in North America.

Imo he NEVER expected them to cut him off, and he is incensed.

I think he will continue on this path until PC caves and start paying to stop the extortion, or it will continue to escalate to the point where everybody will realize how poisonous and untrustworthy he really is, and no one will touch him with a 10 foot pole.

Public bitterness and betrayal is not something businesses want to throw their money at."

Harry is a ne'er do well and now the world knows it. He has been prone to rages since he was a young child. If not from a wealthy family I think he may have been a homeless addict by this point. What a burden he has been to people who seem to have loved him.

Harry's thoughts on his family have certainly changed, remember when the BRF was touted as "the family she never had!"

That said, Harry has never been right in the head.

He really is a sitting duck for predators. Of course his wife is one, too.

Prince Harry, who has long craved privacy, made headlines yet again this week. During an interview with American actor Dax Shepard, for his Armchair Expert podcast, the Duke of Sussex compared his life to being in The Truman Show.

He spoke of wanting to “break the cycle” of “genetic pain” passed from parent to child and how, as a result, he had no choice but to escape to America with his wife and child. Interestingly, he added that he owes his decision to have therapy to a conversation with Meghan, which helped “burst the bubble”. This struck me as odd, as I interviewed Harry at length shortly before he got engaged to Meghan in 2017, for the biography I was writing. Our conversation turned to his depression and panic attacks, and I asked if Meghan had encouraged him to get help.

“Absolutely not,” he replied. “She had nothing to do with it.” It was, he said, his brother Prince William who had convinced him his mental health needed attention. “At first I didn’t listen,” he added. “The time wasn’t right and like many others, I don’t like to do what my older brother says.” In the end, though, he took his advice and added how grateful he was for the help. William, of course, was brought up by the same parents, with the same worries that Harry mentions to Shepard – one of which was that he wouldn’t be able to trust a woman enough to have a successful marriage.

It is on this issue that the lives of the two brothers have so obviously diverged. While Harry lashes out from his home in California, making woke podcasts and giving interviews to Oprah with his wife by his side, William has always been able to see the bigger picture – and set about a very practical pursuit of happiness from a young age. And despite the line Harry now seems desperate to draw between their choices, both brothers have sought to avoid repeating the destructive pattern they saw so clearly in their own parents.

It’s not surprising. Neither Diana nor Charles were given enough love and stability in their formative years. Diana was badly affected by her parents’ acrimonious divorce. Charles had deep scars of his own, partly from his rather cold upbringing. When they split in 1992, 10-year-old William became the man of the house. Diana described him as her “closest confidant and soulmate” – a terrible burden to place on a child.

Harry, who wears his heart on his sleeve, is a different character. He adored his mother because she could be great fun and gave him lots of hugs.

Nonetheless, their dysfunctional background meant that neither prince had much of a clue what a normal, happy family life looked like.

That may be why William rejected many of the options placed before him as a young man, determined to explore life’s other possibilities. With willpower and courage, the rather shy heir chose to study at the University of St Andrews, partly because it was far away from his family. He insisted on staying in student accommodation – rather than the smart flat with staff that his aides suggested – where he met Kate Middleton. Together they did simple things like grocery shopping, having a drink in the pub and eating fish and chips while sitting on the pavement. An ordinary person would find it difficult to understand how important this was for William and how it helped him feel liberated. William desperately wanted to avoid the sort of painful divorce his parents went through and it took him seven years of battling between emotion and stiff upper lip to trust Kate enough to ask her to marry him. It was obvious how important his choice had been when, during their engagement interview, he said he had waited so long to give her time “to back out if she needed to before it all got too much”, adding significantly: “I have wanted to try to learn from lessons in the past.” He felt that Kate might in the end still have turned him down.

During that long period of courtship, William allowed himself to become close to the Middletons. They took him back to basics and provided a model he could work towards – learning how a settled and caring household works. William found he loved being part of a warm family unit and it was a healing experience for him to see how well Kate’s parents got on. He enjoyed going on holiday with them, watching television with supper on his lap and it’s even been claimed that he called Michael Middleton ‘Dad.’ Harry, of course, got on with Kate too and said she was the older sister had always wanted.

Many men marry someone who reminds them of their mother, but William wasn’t tempted to find someone who was as magnetic as Diana, preferring straightforward Kate. No one should underestimate the soul-seeking he went through to prove that, by making thoughtful choices, one can stop history from repeating itself.

William and Kate’s marriage, in April 2011, drew a firm line under everything that his parents’ union had represented without rejecting either of them. Instead, he draws his mother’s influence into his life in a positive way through his obvious joy in having children and his deep involvement in George, Charlotte and Louis’s lives.

George was born in July 2013 and on the steps of the Lindo Wing, Kate revealed that William had already changed his first nappy. It is inconceivable that any previous heir to the throne would even have contemplated such a thing and it was William’s first step to being a hands-on father. He takes his turn to do the school run, spends weekends in Norfolk and obviously loves the rough and tumble with his children, who you can see adore him. It is beyond doubt that as his genetic destiny looms larger, his little family will remain top priority.

Harry has a different personality, more Spencer than Windsor, and has responded to his upbringing in a different way – not least because he is the ‘spare’. Diana encouraged him to be naughty and not get caught. He started drinking in 1997, aged 12, when he, William and their mother were holidaying on a boat owned by Mohamed Al Fayed – Harry going ashore whenever he could and returning drunk on the local tipple. It became a way for him to escape. He also told me he’d chosen to join the “bad boys” at Eton and added smoking and drugs to his intake.

Most teenagers start seeing their parents as imperfect, but Harry lost his mother before that could happen. Now in his thirties, and in therapy speak, he blames Prince Charles for the “genetic pain” he feels. Many think it is about time he stops playing the victim card.

Of course, like all those who have had turbulent upbringings, there is nothing wrong with trying to “break the cycle of pain and suffering” – and, as William has demonstrated, there are many non self-destructive ways to do this, including just getting on with parenting your own children. Instead, Harry seems to hang on tightly to his family’s mistakes.

I hope he can find a way to let two-year-old Archie and his soon-to-be-born daughter meet the Royal family. Children can build wonderful bonds with relatives of different generations – as Harry himself, once close to the late Duke of Edinburgh, knows.

Indeed, there is always the chance that when Archie grows up he might rail against the decisions of his own father – about missed opportunities and how his name has been used to promote commercial goods and charities for his parents’ financial gain. In Shepard’s podcast, Harry accepts that he had a privileged childhood but points out that people can “start in one place and change over time.”

In his California mansion, with its 16 bathrooms, a swimming pool and acres of land, he remains privileged. But have the other changes he has tried so hard to make – distancing himself from his family, adopting therapy speak, becoming a spokesperson rather than a working Royal – really made him happier than the cautious brother he has left behind? It may be that only the next spin of their genetic cycle will tell.

[quote] Interestingly, he added that he owes his decision to have therapy to a conversation with Meghan, which helped “burst the bubble”. This struck me as odd, as I interviewed Harry at length shortly before he got engaged to Meghan in 2017, for the biography I was writing. Our conversation turned to his depression and panic attacks, and I asked if Meghan had encouraged him to get help. “Absolutely not,” he replied. “She had nothing to do with it.” It was, he said, his brother Prince William who had convinced him his mental health needed attention. “At first I didn’t listen,” he added. “The time wasn’t right and like many others, I don’t like to do what my older brother says.” In the end, though, he took his advice and added how grateful he was for the help.

If they were not constantly revising history and their own prior INTERVIEWS they would have even less to say.

[quote] During that long period of courtship, William allowed himself to become close to the Middletons. They took him back to basics and provided a model he could work towards – learning how a settled and caring household works. William found he loved being part of a warm family unit and it was a healing experience for him to see how well Kate’s parents got on. He enjoyed going on holiday with them, watching television with supper on his lap and it’s even been claimed that he called Michael Middleton ‘Dad.’ Harry, of course, got on with Kate too and said she was the older sister had always wanted. Many men marry someone who reminds them of their mother, but William wasn’t tempted to find someone who was as magnetic as Diana, preferring straightforward Kate. No one should underestimate the soul-seeking he went through to prove that, by making thoughtful choices, one can stop history from repeating itself.

This was key and of course provided a role model and loving relationships that benefit both W&C but also their children. Haz has isolated his family from people who love him and commoditized the relationships, something to be sold to Oprah while trying to extort money to buy his silence. Watching the Cambs kids play with their cousins or George going carriage riding with Philip - those relationships, esp during formative years are priceless. Something the Narkes do not seem to grasp. Makes me wonder if in his not being right in the head if Harry ever was able to feel/benefit from that love and support. He seems to place so little value on it and on other humans. The selling of Philip's guns, the acting out at his FUNERAL to try to get photos to build his brand, it is all pretty sociopathic.

This is a very good point, envy seems to be an even bigger driver than greed.

[quote] But Harry isn't just about the money. He wants what Charles and William have; royal global influence and power. He wants to be on the same level as William and anything short of that...no deal! I laugh when sugars talk about them making money, will be billionaires, don't need TRF and all of that nonsense. Those two will gladly trade all the wealth in the world for a chance to be King and Queen. Wealth without the allure of royalty as they are well aware puts them on the same level as any other Hollywood celeb. The only way to set themselves apart from HW celebrities are being to "collaborate with TQ" when it suits, go on royal sponsored tours, represent the CW, keep patronage and titles. Losing those perks put a dent on their plans for world domination and that's what's killing them right now.

Considering the number of whoppers they've told, and their constantly shifting stories, why anyone would believe a word the Harkles spew is a total mystery.

Glad Charles was able to heal his relationship with his father before his death. Accepting people as they are, as we cannot change them, only ourselves, is one of the tasks of adult life. Philip had a pretty horrific childhood himself. He sent Charles to a school that had been a rock for HIM emotionally and socially, was a terrible fit for Charles but not done out of malice. Much of parenting is done through the rear view mirror, as Harry will learn.

The amount of love and goodwill the people of the UK had for Harry is astounding. Most used to wish that Harry had been first born and heir to the throne. Watching him throw all of that goodwill away in just a few years time is surreal. Harry has been allowed to be rude, racist, cruel to animals, dress as a Nazi, and stay an abusive drunk his entire life. A website I frequented had links to the military unit Harry served in. Harry never did anything other than drink and play video games. One guy said his unit basically served as babysitters for Harry. It was safer if nothing else. Harry once told a reporter their exact location, putting all of them in danger. Harry never learned to fly, he couldn't pass the written test, or whatever those are called. He has earned nothing, everything about him is not only a lie, but he was given medals he never earned . Granny gave him many, many unearned medals and promotions. One of his protection officers said he could watch Harry 24/7, but he could not give him a moral compass- I am paraphrasing. Maybe Harry is able to throw everything away because he didn't earn it? In reality he probably just thinks there will always be more of the same unearned accomplishments? To see Harry as he truly is and not as we have been mislead to see him is really amazing. I can not say that I remember seeing such a successful PR con job last so long. Is harry aware that he has been stripped naked and found to be a very unlikeable loser? Would he give a damn if he is? He will never be respected again. To lose all of that forever because you can't bear to have your brother be more powerful that you is just, damn.,

Harry talking about the First Am does him no favors, it is clear he would prefer to spout whatever is planted in his air head while being immune to ANY criticism.

Lady C goes to town on Harry an I'm LIVING for it! I think this my favourite video she's ever done.

"Harry! Most people hate their jobs, but they have no choice but to work because they need to eat! They need to put a roof over their heads! They need to buy clothes."

Tom Cruise had some pretty apt PR, R522. Then he fired his agent, replaced her with her sister and took to jumping on Oprah's couch. There is a bit of an exploitative theme re: Oprah here. She and her leutenant Gayle are playing the long con re: the Harkles. I am CERTAIN even more damaging statements will spew from Harry via Apple, the series has been expanded to 5 episodes. Wonder if he and the Missus will do any cooking with Marina Abramovic, a rumored guest and exemplar of, cough, mental health. Harry is more or less unimportant collateral damage. The zeal to damage the BRF is unmistakable, is it just coming from Big O or other hidden hands as well? Gaga and Abramovic are quite hooked up politically with the Bidens, Gates, etc. Harry is probably thrilled and does not realize he is being exploited.

R523- Yet Harry admitted he reads every comment in the DM about them. Why would you do that? Don't they have media staff for that stuff? It really makes perfect sense that H&M feel freedom of speech should not be allowed for the unwashed masses. They both think they are superior to us and we should never be allowed to look them in the eye, much less give a honest opinion of how repulsive they are. @R524-- Thank you for the link

Harry needed a bit more Lady C and a bit less of Charles' enabling and Diana's encouragement to be an imp in his childhood.

I hope that someone goes to a wedding at her castle and comes back with details now that things are re-opening.

We all have challenges in life, challenging relatives, etc. He is not "helping" anyone with any of this, nor does he seem in any way to be better adjusted. Lady C had a narc mother and her own childhood difficulties but still seemed to develop a conscience and character. She is a hoot. Some like to speed up the vids but I like the original.

Lady C is making BANK on the Harkles, lol. My local library has her book on the Gruesome Twosome, may check it out.

Anyone catch Gayle King's special about the Queen last night? I watched five minutes and then when she referred to Meghan and Harry being massively popular and I changed the channel. Also there is a rumour going around the Barack & Michelle were going to give an interview about their meetings with the Queen and Prince Philip for this special but they backed out at the last minute ........

@R525- This entire thing has very sinister undertones, and it has from the time H&M started having the power to shut down websites and unflattering comments. No one was allowed simple criticism or was allowed to question anything at all about their questionable behavior. The viciousness of her PR and paid stans and bots. Then there are the ties to dark money. The homes they rented or stayed in all had ties to Russian oligarchs. Wtf is Orca doing? She retired rich, ffs. Cults, Soho House, Sunshine Sucks. Every fucking celebrity and influencer has only this one PR company. Markle an agent for Russia to bring down the monarchy? Their advisors and backers need to be exposed. It is disquieting.

Agree, R530.

I am a bit shocked, I thought the Gayle King thing would be off in the future. Bit sick to be tormenting a grieving 95 year old woman, no? I imagine the raitings will be low.

The anti medical treatment for mental health espoused by Haz to teens and her reputedly getting HIM off psych meds is very concerning. The Apple shows bear some watching on that point. If not coming from Scientoligy, is it the Agate cult that Doria and Oprah have been involved with for years? Or was it a grasp for control over him by MeGain early on?

But wait, there's more.........

Ok, this is very obviously straight up blackmail now. What are they holding over TRF? Because now I am convinced they are getting a lot of help from very rich backers. No way would they completely burn every bridge back unless they felt set for life financially. Trf, Andrew and Fergie especially, have long been doing business with criminals and probably enemies of the state. Pedophilia, murder, drug cartel?

I don't think he needs to be sneered at for saying that. It makes perfect sense.

Yes, yes he should be sneered at. Everytime he opens his mouth to say anything above a fifth grade level, and i am being generous there, he should be mocked and shunned.

I have wondered the same, the PR costs alone, for just one period of time, were estimated at 7 million pounds. Why & how could the Narkles foot that? To what end?

Harry is literally the personification of a "useful idiot."

All the manufactured drama is a distraction but from what? Who?

I imagine the "security team" that was brought with him to the funeral was there to film some footage. MeGain was reported to be doing filming in private areas of family homes on multiple occasions - Charles, the Cambridges, etc. You don't think she was going to do anything but sell it, did you? R532, one hopes it was not for something even more sinister.

I agree with Lady C that people's suffering is not for entertainment, this is all starting to be a real turn off to laugh at.

If the govt removes Haz from the LOS wonder what would happen then? Any royal adjacent appeal woudl be gone, would the hidden hand become more visible with the social/biz clearing of the decks?

Someone is trying paying a hell of a lot of money to do real harm to trf. Who has that kind of money and would pay to end the monarchy? It is difficult for me as an American to know. I find it hard to believe the Obama's would support such people, but after the last five years, I wouldn't be shocked. Wth would OW and her rat terrier do this?

Watching someone extort elderly relatives is not all that fun to watch. Philip literally might be alive but for Harry calling about and doing the Oprah interview. Every time they rehash it becomes less interesting. It does not seem that she is going to be able to restart her acting career.

Where is this all headed?

Cold MeMe and raging self absorbed Dim, God help those children. The stories of screaming fights in Oz rang true to me. One thinks of the very swollen cheek on the kid when he was forced into a pap/merch stroll at not even 2.

R536 Honestly if she has private photos/film of royal residences and sells them, I hope the royals grow a backbone and sue them. Back in the early 2000s when one of the papers published private photos of Buckingham Palace taken by a reporter posing as a footman, the royal family sued and won.

Was she filming the layout of houses and the room where the Royal Jewels are kept? Kidnap a royal plot? This bitch would pleasure in hurting them anyway she could, but who is helping them? They are both far too stupid, lazy, and unstable to successfully do anything on their own.

Private family areas was what I heard, R540.

R514, thanks for copy/pasting the Telegraph article, it was cogent and informative.

Probably Russia and/or China. Someone pointed out their ArchieWell (sp) charity is registered in Delaware for its more favourable tax laws and the law that charities only have to donate 5% of any donations to an actual cause.

Slush fund, and even Dim acknowledged as much, R543.

R443 that story about Charles trying to put back stem onto a strawberry illustrated sensitivity. Why some will stretch that to being a narcissist IDK. Don’t preach to me about psychiatry especially things disguised as psychobabble. I actually treat psych patients, including children. That incident with a young Charles didn’t demonstrate sensitivity to criticism but sensitivity to feeling that he’d let others down. Hence he was trying to put the stem back onto the strawberry. If he was merely mortified of criticism AND he was a child who showed traits of narcissism, he would’ve done something like dipping strawberries for others and made it a point of seeking praise doing that. That is the difference between a person with narcissistic traits and a “normal” person.

I don’t know anything about his “controlling” traits such as travel and lifestyle demands. But again, being fastidious and liking your food, etc... certain way does not denote narcissism. Someone who’s set in their ways and due to circumstances of upbringing and status, able to get away with it. That’s more in keeping with Charles’ personality profile. This is a man whose manner of dress and interests often put him at odds with people of his generation. His aunt Margaret was more of his time than he was FFS. He comes across (from his biography) as someone who really didn’t care if he was seen as an uncool person. IDK why people are all of a sudden painting him as a narcissist. The man is not perfect, though I find his life fascinating, a case in character study kind of way.

Meghan and Harry (def): two self-entitled souls who alienated their families. Alone and surrounded only by people who make money off of them. No real talent so they play victim to elicit sympathy. Use woke issues to pander to clueless Americans.

Okay Zara is an icon! At Eugenie's wedding she allegedly turned to Harry (ignoring Meghan) and said: ""It's very quiet compared to the screaming at your wedding.""

Global Citizen passes through very little in donations too. Wonder where the bulk of $302 million will go?

Harry is like a not very bright child in a man's body, no matter what word salad he spouts from his wife's indoctrination.

Him trashing his family is gross.

If she is able to leave him I think he will be in a very bad state.

R545- Very beautifully stated and I absolutely agree.

SO let me get this straight, Harry was sick of living in a fish bowl (Truman show) so he moved to LA, and keeps giving interviews, and now rumours of a reality show..................how are people still buying anything they're selling?

I don't think anyone except maybe teens, IS, R551. Most of their "stans" are paid bots and PR. The rest of us have been laughing at the train wreck for free while normal entertainment was restricted by cv.

All this "Diana's son" stuff is so strange, reportedly he was introducing himself that way backstage at VaxLive. William was her son too. What kind of son is he being to Charles?

Extortion quite rightly is something decent people recoil from. This is not so fun anymore, esp with the kid put on the merch stroll as a toddler, with a huge swollen cheek. I hope MeGain setting it up comes to light.

This is very telling if it is true.

Cami Sotto @CamiSotto4 · 14h #harryandmeghan Two lost souls with no family. Alone and surrounded only by people who make money off of them. No real talent so they play victim to elicit sympathy. Use woke issues to pander to clueless Americans. The world will remember them for their betrayal & hypocrisy.

Clear now why so many took a hard pass on Harry.

Makes me wonder why a company like P & G would choose to work with them.

R551- Now, that isn't fair to Harry. The clicks of the cameras the paparazzi cause him panic attacks!!! Media waiting outside his home 24/7! The need for security to protect him from this madness! Can't you see why he had to move near Hollywood?! Beverly Hills! Movie Stars! Paparazzi! Movie Stars! ( Not anymore, but.) Now Harry can finally get the peace he deserves. Those fucking private, guarded, rolling estates of the rf!. It is such a relief that Harry left the stress of all of that beauty and privacy for smog filled Montecunto. Fire season begins. Peace. He and Haggitha can finally relax.

Breaking on social media: There is a rumour Harry fathered a child by a woman he met in Las Vegas (product of a one night stand allegedly) BUT the leak appears to be coming not from the Palace by from Meghan's camp.

R558 and also a girl in Calgary too apparently.

Ohhh Megsie must be laying out grounds for divorce earlier than predicted.

There has been a rumor out there for a long time now that Harry can not father children because of repeated, untreated STD's. He would have to have the help of fertility doctors to impregnate a women. Idk, just telling you what had been out there long before Hellhag.

R561 I'm sure there is a TON of dirt on Harry (and probably William too) that the Palace has had hushed up. But now that Harry doesn't have that protection..........

Shh! Did you hear? A pissed off William, whispering in a reporters ear. Hahahaha! He who laughs last, Markles.

R563-- some of the rumors are that this was the third marriage for Hellhag. She gave birth to a child that she gave up for adoption. Her actual age is 44 it 45. The worst about her has to be the student she fucking tormented in college, stalking her, glueing her eyelashes shut with glue. The student had to relocate to get away from markle.

I think I know what MM is going to leak to the media about Harry. Some kind of involuntary manslaughter. Drunk driving. Beating up someone while wasted and hitting them too hard. Something like that. Because I am convinced Harry has hurt someone badly between his uncontrollable anger and addiction. Just a guess. She has something pretty big probably. That he was stupid enough to tell her.

Someone is trying paying a hell of a lot of money to do real harm to trf. Who has that kind of money and would pay to end the monarchy?

The Saudis. And there's a lot of them in London, including a billion Saudi Princes and Princesses.

[quote]Someone is trying paying a hell of a lot of money to do real harm to trf. Who has that kind of money and would pay to end the monarchy?

The Saudis. And there's a lot of them in London, including a billion Saudi Princes and Princesses.

Trf will be ok as long as the queen lives. After that, it is uncertain, imo. And I never thought I would say that. I knew she was being used to harm the monocracy when megxit happened . Everyone rolled their eyes at me. But no one would just give up what MM did only to have to hustle in LA. Not even that psycho.

We all know Meghan doesn't love him, but I bet she hates him now. Having to pretend to care about him, watch him play Nintendo 24/7, the smell, the tantrums, trying to coach him to remember one sentence correctly. Megalomaniac Meghan does NOT like to do for others. She will destroy his ass and he deserves it. But so does she

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I hope the reason that the rf have not taken their titles us not bc of blackmail . So many things not making sense. Eerie in a way.

That story is deeply disturbing, R564. That poor woman could have been permanently blinded! Sociopathic.

The first marriage was to a guy who is a lawyer now, it was annulled. His mother was a smart woman who moved fast.

Treveor must be thanking his lucky stars every day that he was Markled as soon as he was. Poor Archie and Ariel.

Harry is about to experience what real suffering is, at the hands of MeGain.

Supposedly Meghan has known all along, if true

An early story, the reason the Cambridge’s turned on MM was that she secretly took some pics of the kids without William or Kate knowing. No evidence that she was planning to do anything with the photos beyond maybe showing them to friends but it made W&K very very wary after that.

Anyone have access to this behind the paywall?

This is well stated

R571 Two words: Prince Andrew. If it wasn't for fucking Andrew the titles would be gone by now. I think the Palace would prefer Harry and Meghan to give them up willingly. That probably won't happen but it might be good PR for them in the US if they did. It plays stronger to their narrative the monarchy is terrible. Right now they look like idiots trashing the royals but clinging desperately to their titles.

A. Hariharan @_AHariharan Prince Harry is turning into Greta Thunberg. A petulant child lashing out through media stunts.

**One difference is Greta is an actual child, one with developmntal disabilities. Harry is a middle aged man.

Sharper than a serpent's tooth, let's see how his kids will speak of him.

Charles just lost his father.

Harry must have always HATED these people or he is sociopathic. No one behaves this way.

Harry would do well to follow the example of his namesake:

I know you all, and will awhile uphold

The unyoked humor of your idleness;

Yet herein will I imitate the sun,

Who doth permit the base contagious clouds

To smother up his beauty from the world,

That when he please again to be himself,

Being wanted, he may be more wondered at

By breaking though the foul and ugly mists

Of vapors that did seem to strangle him.

If all the year were playing holidays,

To sport would be as tedious as to work;

But when they seldom come, they wished-for come,

And nothing pleaseth but rare accidents.

So, when this loose behavior I throw off

And pay the debt I never promiséd,

By how much better than my word I am,.

By so much shall I falsify men’s hopes;

And like bright metal on a sullen ground

My reformation, glittering o’re my fault,

Shall show more goodly and attract more eyes

Then that which hath no foil to set it off.

I’ll so offend, to make offence a skill,

Harry wasn’t deprived of love as a child. He was deprived of brain cells and functioning sensitivity chips, that’s all. I will give him this though, he does learn bad behavior quickly by mirroring his wife and parroting others. But it doesn’t take skills nor intellect, just a willingness to throw people under the proverbial bus.

I think it has finally dawned on Charles that Meagan was not the one to blame for this debacle. He now must know that his own son has turned on him. I am sure his heart is broken, like any father's would be when you have done as much for Harry and his wife and Charles has. They will have to give up the stupid titles now, which they only cared about because it made money for them.

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The questioning and subtle pressure to give up their titles is quite clever.

Harry is the Hunter Biden of the BRF larping as Mother Theresa. No one is buying it anymore.

I have a feeling those 5 Apple shows will have some doozies, it was originally only 2 episodes.

MaxWellWhitey, Bolingbroke, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago

Trust is Everything, it's a Bond, it makes People, and The World, better. Without Trust, there's nothing, Harry broke this Trust. If he behaved this way, in the Public Eye, one cannot possibly imagine the h0rror, and vitriol, Harry unleased on his own Family privately. He's a liability, absolutely tox1c. The RF must cut him loose and let him fail. Whether RF pick up the pieces is another issue, ultimately, Harry broke The Trust. A True Man would never do this, he's disgusting, shame on him.

None of their antics will bring in enough money to fund the lifestyle they are trying to live.

Precisely r586 All of their behaviour is tactics not strategy and is real short termist.

Grandiosity with people whose careers peaked long ago. Of course Sunshine Sucks loves to cross promo clients and have hoovered up a sizeable portion of the money Harry inherited.

r588 Are Perry and Bloom clients of Sunshine Sacks too?

I wonder which celebs have snubbed them? Liza Minnelli was certainly quick to correct the false media story that she was close friends with them.I wonder who put that false story out there and what was the thinking behind it?

They are monetizing and exploiting the IG just like his family and his dead mother. He was supposed to appear at a fundraiser for IG but when he signed the Netflix deal pulled out, claiming a conflict. Will those disabled vets see a penny? The elephants did not. Foundations in DE only have to pass on 5% of funds.

r590 Sounds like Harry is a stranger to honour and decency.

⚘ Eliza @home_nextdoor · 15h Replying to @richardaeden I think Invictus is amazing what is contributes to our Vets. Regardless of Harry being a founder, he should be removed as a patron. Everything Invictus stands for he is against. They fought for their Queen & Country, inspire, recover, respect, resilience, loyalty, family.

r592 Momentum certainly seems to be moving against Prince Harry.

I agree Harry has been a patron and used to be a promoter of the Invictus Games. But founder? I thought it was one of his mentors/ staff that actually developed them, based on the American Warrior Games.

Please correct me if I have this bassackwards.

Per this vid, Chrissy Teigen has been Markled.

Well, that would explain getting Haz off psych meds and Haz telling teens in a Zoom call not to see a medical doctor for mental health symptoms. I thought maybe Agate but it is Scieno. They are virulently @ psych meds.

Will be interesting to see how the Apple series handles the issue of medication.

Part two

I think the Harry-Megan saga will ultimately kill the Queen.

Last post on Part 1...wonder where Part 2 will lead....