DLers, Tell Us About Houston, Texas
It's the 8th largest CSA (greater metro area) in the US, and the 4th most populous city.
Yet other than "NASA is based there" I'm not sure many Americans could tell you much about it versus other major cities, even its arch-rival Dallas.
What is special about Houston and why do so many people live there?
|by Anonymous||reply 301||Last Wednesday at 7:05 PM|
There is nothing special about Houston. Downtown Houston is one of the ugliest places I've ever seen. It's hot, it's humid and they have gigantic cockrockes hissing and flying at you when they get angry.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||05/04/2021|
Tacky access roads. No zoning.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||05/04/2021|
The weather is much worse, but the people aren't as stuffy and pretentious as they are in Dallas - which I never understood, Dallas is basically Oklahoma. Plus, Houston has the advantage of being both a port city and a major oul-hub, so there are always plenty of hot foreigners/out-of-towners passing through. All of Texas sucks though, except for Austin.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||05/04/2021|
Houston is where Dallas gays go when they want a top.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||05/04/2021|
I used to have to go down to Houston for weeks at a time for work. I always thought it was nice enough, and they have a very diverse restaurant scene there. I actually like how hot, and humid it is. The entire city is on a flood plain. I was trapped down there for Hurricane Harvey.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||05/04/2021|
I know a wealthy gay couple who have a beautiful, penthouse apartment in Houston. And they made their money there. However, they spend most of the year in their much smaller NYC apartment or various vacation spots.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||05/04/2021|
If you look at the next largest CSAs -- Philadelphia, Miami, Atlanta, Detroit, Phoenix and Seattle--people have a very good idea of what those cities are about, what they look like, why someone would live there, movies or TV shows that are set there.
Are there any non-NASA movies that are set in Houston? TV series?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||05/04/2021|
I loved Houston on a business trip, living there was awful (racist, evil and stupid) and I couldn't wait to move but there are some nice things; Fabulous theaters new/old, friendly men of all flavors, lots of good restaurants, affordable real estate/rent, cheap flights to a lot of places and that's more than you can say about many US cities.
We see so many horrible Texans on TV we forget that Ann Richards and Molly Ivins are Texas archetypes too, Houston is filled with wonderful people.
"I dearly love the state of Texas, but I consider that a harmless perversion on my part, and discuss it only with consenting adults." Molly Ivins
|by Anonymous||reply 10||05/04/2021|
LOL R1 about the roaches. It's true.
Personally, I like the Houston skyline. The reason Houston is growing is inexpensive plentiful housing and jobs. Plus, it's cosmopolitan and has a very diverse population and wonderful dining and music.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||05/04/2021|
Other than the miserable climate, it's pretty forgettable. It just seems like a generic sunbelt sprawlburg with endless strings of stripmalls. My grad school roommate was exceited to move there and happily left after a year---crime, people, not as much to do as he expected.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||05/04/2021|
[quote]Tacky access roads
We call those feeder roads, yankee.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||05/04/2021|
[quote]Today in 1953, Oveta Culp Hobby, a member of Eisenhower's cabinet, lands her 2nd Time cover. - Houstorian
|by Anonymous||reply 14||05/04/2021|
Dr. Now is based there from my 600lb Life. He talks like Mr Tudball from Carol Burnett. I always think what a basic boring skyline when they show it.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||05/04/2021|
So Houston is so boring even DLers don't have opinions about it?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||05/04/2021|
I live here R16 and offered my opinion.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||05/04/2021|
[quote]We call those feeder roads, yankee.
I'm from Atlanta. So I know ugly highways, but I wasn't prepared for how ugly they are in Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||05/04/2021|
Oul-Hub is a character in the Star Wars cantina scene.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||05/04/2021|
The Houston skyline can be quite dramatic from a distance, like the Emerald City.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||05/04/2021|
The museum culture is genuinely impressive. But outside of that it's pretty generic.
It's popular with white conservatives because there's no zoning and suburban sprawl is the preferred form of development.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||05/04/2021|
[quote]Tacky access roads.
Are access roads tacky, in general, or just Houston's?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||05/04/2021|
It’s a shithole. The worst drivers I’ve ever encountered in the US. People in their huge unnecessarily large vehicles pass aggressively on the right and swoop their huge trucks into the left (should be passing lane) and then lay off the accelerator like their job is now done. No you assholes.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||05/04/2021|
Are there many masculine tops in Houston? Also, how easy is it to find married straight men who are willing to experiment?🧐
|by Anonymous||reply 24||05/04/2021|
Is Dallas or Houston better for gays?
|by Anonymous||reply 25||05/04/2021|
Let's see: You do NOT want to be there in a hurricane. Or a tornado. Or a rainstorm. Or a cold snap. Or a heat wave. Or when the humidity is above 60%. Or when a refinery catches on fire. Oh whoops, I think I just eliminated about 300 days out of the year. But if you happen to make it there during one of the 65 remaining days, you'd still find that it's a very poorly planned city, with no clearly defined center, and miserable traffic in every direction. Other than that, it's fine.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||05/04/2021|
I always laugh when people talk about places like Texas, Georgia, and Florida like they’re the new wonderful places to move to when they’re actually shitholes and not as cheap as people think they are.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||05/04/2021|
Some of Georgia is beautiful. Ditto Florida. Texas...well, the Big Bend area has a kind of bleak majesty to it.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||05/04/2021|
Houston is absolutely the most diverse city in the US. Look it up. It's more diverse than NYC.
Houston Medical Center is big
|by Anonymous||reply 29||05/04/2021|
[quote]Some of Georgia is beautiful.
Who elected Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Who elected Matt Gaetz, DeSantis, and Trump.
You can have them.👍🏼
|by Anonymous||reply 30||05/04/2021|
R13 Thought we called them frontage roads?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||05/04/2021|
The weather is terrible and the city is ugly but the food and museums are great, and it really is a lot more diverse than anywhere else I've ever lived.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||05/04/2021|
R26 Ain't that the truth. It's one ugly ass city with some beautiful parts but I couldn't wait to leave.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||05/04/2021|
I hear they have good Vietnamese food.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||05/04/2021|
R33 What city do you live in now that is better?
|by Anonymous||reply 35||05/05/2021|
I love the Big Bend area. I toyed with moving around Terlingua for a bit. It's gotten pricey because of all the wealthy folks buying houses. Some surprisingly excellent vineyards around there.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||05/05/2021|
I do have to laugh when people say stuff about hurricanes and rain. Shit, it's just weather. I've lived here during many hurricanes and never suffered much inconvenience. I know I am lucky though. I look at it as a few days off of work and I love holing up in my house. There is extreme weather everywhere. Don't be pussies. CA has wildfires every year, the North has blizzards, the South has hurricanes. Humanity somehow prevails.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||05/05/2021|
[quote]Is Dallas or Houston better for gays?
I'd say Houston. Dallas is full of your typical JR Ewing types along with their big blonde haired, big silicon titted wives and has a much more conservative feel to it.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||05/05/2021|
I like Houston a lot. The best city in TX. Austin is a knock off SF - small, overpriced, obnoxious - without the beauty. Dallas is Oklahoma. San Antonio is interesting but rough. Houston is a true city - diverse, big, international, thriving. Though I’ve never lived there as a resident, I’ve worked there for a few years at a client. Had a great time. A good gayborhood - unpretentious (unlike Dallas), big (unlike Austin) and diverse. Great restaurants with truly diverse options - and affordable. And the Menil/Rothko Chapel/Dan Flavin museum/space are my favorite in the US outside of NY. Great airport - if a little far from the center of city.
Maybe if I lived there, I’d learn to hate it. But having spent time in almost every city in US - and lots of god awful towns - for work, I always looked forward to working in Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||05/05/2021|
I worked in Atlanta for three weeks in July. I felt like I was walking through a steaming hot sauna. Breathing outdoors was impossible. I thought it was absolute hell. Then I spent two weeks in Houston mid August. Atlanta was a cool paradise in comparison.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||05/05/2021|
[quote] It's hot, it's humid and they have gigantic cockrockes hissing and flying at you when they get angry.
The also have gigantic eldergays who hiss and fly at you when they get angry.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||05/05/2021|
Re: Shows "about" Houston. "Reba" was based in Houston. But it really wasn't about Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||05/05/2021|
It smells like rags soaked in gasoline.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||05/05/2021|
Don’t do it, Op. Whatever you are contemplating that involves Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||05/05/2021|
Oh joy, Stinkydena (also known as Pasadena, Texas) aBUTTS Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||05/05/2021|
LOL at some of these comments. Hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world live and work in Houston and seem to think it's just fine. I've worked with a ton of Brits, Scandinavians, French, Indians and other Asians and they all seem to get along quite well and enjoy it here. It's not paradise but what is? As long as you have central A/C you are fine.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||05/05/2021|
Houston is anonymous, ugly and spiritless.
Of course the trogs who have no sense or expectation of context or other quality-of-life features would type things such as R46's meaningless piffle. She has researched those "hundreds of thousands of of people from all over the world" and the "ton" of EVERY BRANCH OF HUMANITY populating Houston and its environs.
R46 and her like are the natural denizens of "China-Lite" holes and mounds, wherever they happen to occur. Sometimes they even mistake urban bustle for livability. As for being fine if you have central air conditioning, the same can be said for hell, if that's all there is to the matter.
Glad you're where you belong or aspire to it, R46.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||05/05/2021|
You make a lot of ASSumptions there R47. What's your damage?
|by Anonymous||reply 48||05/05/2021|
You sound like an unbearable ass R47
|by Anonymous||reply 49||05/05/2021|
R47 needs his meds because he's got a case of rage that is inappropriate for the topic of discussion and no sense of humor at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||05/05/2021|
Lots of money. To little effect apparently.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||05/05/2021|
"As long as you have central A/C you are fine."
I guess that's the point. Most people like to spend time outside. In most Texan cities you spend 5-6 months indoors bc it is too fucking hot and humid. And even on cooler days you can't spend any time outside on your fabulous porches or pools bc the mosquitoes will eat you alive. My brother lived in Houston for a couple of years and he hardly ever left the house during the summer. Had to take a shower after walking his dog for 15 min. Blinds on all windows always closed (everywhere in the neighborhood).
Could not live in any of these hot, humid, mosquito infested Texan shitholes.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||05/05/2021|
THE biggest asset to living in Houston, at least for your skin quality and aging, is the humidity. Not great for hair, but for skin you have nature’s outdoor spa helping you tremendously.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||05/05/2021|
I think most people get used to it R52. Most of us are working during the day but there are people out jogging and other things (they be crazy). I sit out in the evenings in the summer after work and bbq and I have a pool, which is a definite plus. I haven't been bothered by mosquitos in years, don't know why, but they can be controlled. My shades are up all day. The newer homes have better windows and insulation for keeping homes cool.
Yes, R53 it does keep our skin moist and dewy.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||05/05/2021|
Just curiosity R44.
There was a "Tasteful Friends" thread about a house in Houston, people were talking about "the Bay Area" of Houston and I realized that other than NASA and the Bushes I knew nothing about it, even though it one of the largest cities in the US and was curious what DLers knew about it, given that posters are often a repository of information on much smaller towns and cities.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||05/05/2021|
Not R44 but the "bay area" refers to Galveston Bay. Lots of people live between Galveston and Houston in waterfront communities. Little tiny places like San Leon, Bacliff and Seabrook. I used to live in a tiny little island community called Clear Lake Shores. It was a lot of fun. Everyone got around on golf carts and the houses were all elevated. Good times. It was also so safe you could leave doors unlocked at night. Reason being we had our own police force and a tiny population and they were payed well. I'd love to move back one day.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||05/05/2021|
Can you go swimming in the water there or is it mostly just for boating?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||05/05/2021|
Boating mainly. I would not swim in it. Even though it's brackish there are alligators are in it plus debris on the bottom from god knows what.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||05/05/2021|
Great art scene all around - museums, galleries, etc.
Fantastic food. Houston is the most diverse city in the US and it shows in the amazing variety of fantastic food.
Much nicer and warmer people than Dallas. Has a bit of a small-town vibe to it, even with its size and population.
I like Houston better than Dallas. I live in Austin so I'm allowed to judge both.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||05/05/2021|
For Zillow Stalking purposes, what are the areas of Houston that The Gays live in and/or are the happening areas for young professionals in general-- the equivalent of say WeHo, Venice, Los Feliz or SilverLake in LA or UWS, Hells Kitchen, West Village, Park Slope in NY
|by Anonymous||reply 61||05/05/2021|
None of Texas, save for the Hill Country and Big Bend, is aesthetically pleasing. The landscapes in and around Houston and Dallas easily make them the ugliest major cities in the country. Dallas is flat, brown and on a prairie. Houston is the same except it’s in a swamp. But people don’t move to these places to be inspired by their environs. They move there to make money, save money, live decently.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||05/05/2021|
I have to put in a word for Houston's architecture. There are a few great Art Deco towers. But downtown has a very solid collection of Mid Century through High Postmodern buildings. A lot of people don't like the latter - I'm not crazy about it myself - but it is done well.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||05/05/2021|
Montrose was the historic gay village though it's been changing and young professionals with young kids started moving in and razing the old bungalows. Still fun though. The Heights is good too. The downtown area has been revitalized with lofts and restaurants but even where I'm at in the burbs there is a gay bar with a drag show. Galveston has a surprisingly large gay community for its size and quite a handful of gay bars and clubs. I like to drive in to the museum district, view art then go eat somewhere in Montrose. The nineties had La Strada which was THE gay brunch spot. Closed now.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||05/05/2021|
This is a little tidbit about La Strada. Shit I miss it.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||05/05/2021|
Houston is the only major US city I've never visited -- except the airport, and one time when I missed a connecting flight and the airline put me up in a hotel nearby.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||05/05/2021|
Can people please comment on cost of living and prices?
I stopped at Dallas airport once (switching planes) and was surprised at how reasonable the airport food & drinks were priced.
According to Wikipedia, in 2010, Houston was 21.6% white / non-Hispanic. You can look it up yourself to find out what the balance of the 100% is made up of.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||05/05/2021|
I mean any city is what you make of it. l've lived in Houston for going on 6 years and it's starting to feel like home. I do wish I was here in my 20's instead of now late 30's, because there seems to be tons of amazing underground art and cultural scenes that I never knew existed.
And the diversity, at least in the inner-loop (the city part of the "city") is amazing, which of course brings great food, music etc. Austin has the nature, but I could care less for their bars or food. Yes Houston is dirty, in constant construction and it's increasingly economically stratified, all that is true. But it was easy to find a niche here.
Also Terms of Endearment (I suppose NASA adjacent but not a NASA movie), Reality Bites, Rushmore, and a few scenes in Paris, Texas.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||05/05/2021|
It was named after Whitney Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||05/05/2021|
R68, can you talk about the cost of living & prices? Thanks.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||05/05/2021|
What I hate about it are these prefab Dallas restaurant groups bringing their prefab concepts: Truckyard, Rustic. All so awful. And those expensive hybrid retail/apartments popping up everywhere. I guess that's happening everywhere but still very soulless.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||05/05/2021|
What neighborhood is the best place to stay in?
|by Anonymous||reply 72||05/05/2021|
My expectations are dialed back. Houston is not going to be like San Francisco. I'm looking for info on cost of living, traffic, weather. Sounds like there's a bit of culture there.
I'm used to humid weather, so I think I can maybe manage.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||05/05/2021|
Traffic is not horrible if you work, live, and play in a central location. I bought my car new around Christmas 2016 and just hit 33K miles.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||05/05/2021|
Yeah, that water looks really clear, R57.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||05/05/2021|
That's why you don't swim in it R76.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||05/05/2021|
[quote] there is a gay bar with a drag show.
How progressive and forward looking for the community.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||05/05/2021|
Considering the are it kind of is R78. Some of you are so testy and irritable.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||05/05/2021|
R79 didn't get the meaning of my remark.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||05/05/2021|
If you plan to visit Houston, wait until October when the heat subsides.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||05/05/2021|
A better view of Houston skyline
|by Anonymous||reply 82||05/05/2021|
Had relatives in Memorial and Bunker Hill and use to visit for the holidays. Suburban sprawl. Restaurants in strip malls. Casual conversation exposes you to bigoted comments. Leisurely waits in service lines as cashiers chit-chat made me want to kill myself. And dealing with maintenance workers taught me: There is stupid and there is Texas stupid and it's nothing an urban Northerner can comprehend. if you are from the burbs and relate to driving everywhere, you might adjust. I couldn't and wouldn't put up with that governor and atty general on a bet.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||05/05/2021|
[quote]Leisurely waits in service lines as cashiers chit-chat made me want to kill myself.
I hardly think Houston is the only place guilty of these types. You can find this anywhere. I've visited places that completely ignore you until you say "hey, bitch, you going to look at me?"
|by Anonymous||reply 84||05/05/2021|
I hear Pasadena doesn't stink so much now since the paper plant closed.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||05/05/2021|
That skyline is utterly unremarkable.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||05/05/2021|
I like the skyline. I remember when Jarre did a show off the buildings because he loved the skyline.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||05/05/2021|
Cost of living is incredibly affordable compared to all other major cities in its class. Rent, house prices, food prices, all great. Better than Dallas and Austin for sure.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||05/05/2021|
It's getting more expensive every day, just like every other major U.S. city. Real estate is especially overpriced now.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||05/05/2021|
But still incredibly, incredibly affordable compared to other major US cities.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||05/05/2021|
Houston is still a much cheaper option than other large cities r89. Compare it to NY, LA, DC and you'll get it.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||05/05/2021|
The most ethnically diverse city in America Jersey City r29. Of "big cities" its NY.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||05/05/2021|
Ha! Jersey City and Oakland are "ethnically diverse" because they're rapidly being gentrified and less affluent brown and black people are being replaced by affluent white people.
It's not Kum-ba-yah
|by Anonymous||reply 93||05/05/2021|
I love Houston, but I would be scared to live there because of serial killer Dean Corll who killed dozens of gay men. I wonder why Netflix hasn't made a documentary about him?
|by Anonymous||reply 94||05/05/2021|
Honey, that was 50 years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||05/05/2021|
House prices in Houston are much, much cheaper than Austin. Austin's housing prices have reached California levels. Don't know about Dallas.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||05/05/2021|
Houston and Atlanta still have median home prices in the 200s. These are very cheap cities still compared to what's going on in other parts of the country.
(And correct r96, these days Austin's median home price has risen to around 500k. Literally twice Houston)
|by Anonymous||reply 97||05/05/2021|
You can have a much higher standard of living in Houston and Dallas than you can Austin today. Expect to pay $600k for a tiny shack in Austin.
Houston also has the best restaurants for the best price in all of America. Good food of every nationality. I can't say enough about the food scene in Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||05/05/2021|
Houston and New Orleans are sister cities, so there is plenty of good Cajun and Creole food to be found in Houston. It's a shame that Bennans's closed in Houston because it was one of my favorite restaurants in the city.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||05/05/2021|
I'm always looking at houses for sale in Austin. Small, frame houses reasonably close in to town cost about $400K a year ago. Now the same house will cost $750K. A friend was trying to sell his large house in a moderately upmarket suburb for $750K. There was a bidding war and he got over $1M. Just insane.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||05/05/2021|
Zillow stalk #1 -- this is new construction in the Heights area that an earlier poster said was a hip somewhat walkable area that was popular with young professionals.
It's $375K and would be way more than that in other cities
|by Anonymous||reply 101||05/05/2021|
Zillow Stalk #2
Same neighborhood, but if you like older houses, this one is only $380K
|by Anonymous||reply 102||05/05/2021|
Zillow Stalk #3 -- if you want something a little more upscale, this is an almost 2K square foot loft-like condo for just $600K in a building with rooftop pool and more
|by Anonymous||reply 103||05/05/2021|
Matt Risinger just sold his nice but unremarkable Austin ranch for $810k. Everyone thought his reno turned complete rebuild was stupid and going to be overpriced for the ‘hood. Well, that’s looking less and less likely. With Austin appreciation, the house will easily appraise for seven figures. And with everything he got for free/sponsored, he’s guaranteed to come out (way) ahead.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||05/05/2021|
R103, thanks for posting those properties. Interesting to see.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||05/05/2021|
You're welcome R105
I have only been to Houston to switch planes, but there's a Jeni's Ice Cream in that neighborhood which would lead me to believe it is indeed popular with young professionals. (For context, in LA, Jeni's is in Venice, Los Feliz, Larchmont and Playa)
|by Anonymous||reply 106||05/05/2021|
r99 I assume you mean Brennan's, which is open in Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||05/05/2021|
I thought Brennan's closed?
|by Anonymous||reply 108||05/05/2021|
R108 I believe they had a fire at some point but reopened after a bit.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||05/05/2021|
Yeah, I remember the fire now. I moved away from Houston several years ago. They have the best snapping turtle soup and bananas foster flamed table side.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||05/05/2021|
None of those Houston properties are in a prime location, although technically they might be considered the Heights. I would pass on all three.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||05/05/2021|
Doesn't seem that bad.
The air is sticky hot thick.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||05/05/2021|
Fattest city in the nation. There's a reason the 600lb life doctor is there.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||05/05/2021|
Still Houston. Still a red state. Still restrictive voting legislation. If you can ignore or fight it, good for you.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||05/05/2021|
R45 Actually, Pasadena isn’t stinky anymore. The paper mill that was the source of the smell is gone. Pasadena actually spans all the way to Galveston Bay and Clear Lake (NASA) area. Much of Clear Lake is actually the city of Pasadena. Northern Pasadena is poor/hispanic. Southern Pasadena is rich/white.
Fun fact: Serial Killer Dean Corll lived and killed there. Sharon Tate lived in Pasadena for 6 years and was in 2nd grade when Dean Corll was in 5th at the same elementary school.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||05/05/2021|
Yes, google Joe Horn Pasadena, TX. You will see the rich/white and racist part of the city. That was a wild story.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||05/05/2021|
[quote] THE biggest asset to living in Houston, at least for your skin quality and aging, is the humidity. Not great for hair, but for skin you have nature’s outdoor spa helping you tremendously.
Houston = nature's spa?!?! Bitch, please, but thank you for the laugh. I really love these threads because I am always on the look out for that cheap urban utopia. I do think people underestimate weather if you are used to CA, LA or SF. Scorching heat and humidity is a lot. You all are saying that it's about 4-5 months out of the year? Maybe I'll take a weekend trip to check it out this summer. I been to Texas (Dallas) once. I found the nicer parts of Dallas to be very clean. It reminded me a bit of Scottsdale for some reason. The nice chain steak houses like Mastros, outdoor malls, etc. Houston sounds a little more urban.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||05/05/2021|
R118 controversial but if had been a black man being robbed shooting 2 white punks, I'd say thank you, you're a hero.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||05/05/2021|
R111-- are they priced similarly to places you would buy? What's wrong with their locations?
|by Anonymous||reply 121||05/05/2021|
After Katrina, I've heard that there was a lot of crime and aggressive black people everywhere. Have things settled down with all that?
|by Anonymous||reply 122||05/05/2021|
More or less R122 but many of them never left. I haven't really compared crimes rates pre and post Katrina though.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||05/05/2021|
Having been there in that post Katrina period, there was definitely a surge in crime - at least in the Montrose. It seems to have gotten much better in the Montrose - though not the safest place. Fear of crime seems to have increased disproportionately to the actual increase in crime when looked at over the past 10-20 years.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||05/05/2021|
I remember watching Urban Cowboy as a kid and wanting to live in a posh high-rise in Houston just like Pam. And I would bring home hot men and gaze out with him at the sparkling Houston skyline before he took me to the bedroom to make love to me.
Guess what? It all came true.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||05/05/2021|
Talk about overpriced housing in Austin. I was just looking at houses on Instagram and was stunned they want $10.500/month for this tiny little "farmhouse". WTF? Are these people insane?
You can get a Bel Air mansion for $10.000/month.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||05/05/2021|
R125 Urban Cowboy filmed also in Pasadena.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||05/05/2021|
Hell traffic and the WORST (in all caps) drivers in the continental USA.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||05/05/2021|
R117 LMAO! I remember watching that years ago!😂
|by Anonymous||reply 129||05/05/2021|
Everyone keeps talking about moving to Texas because it’s cheaper, but it really isn’t that cheap anymore and hasn’t been for the past decade or so. Because so many people keep moving to Texas, prices have gone up since there is a demand.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||05/05/2021|
It's true. Drunk drivers at night every where.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||05/05/2021|
I had to get out of Texas. Deep freze, no power and a $10k electric bill.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||05/05/2021|
R125 is living the dream. I love it.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||05/05/2021|
I know the de Menil family are huge art benefactors, going back to the Warhol days.
Also, if you are in Houston and need a great motorcycle mechanic or tattoo artist, I know your guy!
|by Anonymous||reply 134||05/05/2021|
Houston does have a problem with drunk driving. A lot of it is, and I'm going to get screamed at by some sjw for this, but a lot of the drivers are Hispanic and a lot are here illegally. They don't have insurance and a lot don't have licenses and many flee the scene. It's a real problem. I'm not sure why these guys don't call an Uber like other people do.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||05/06/2021|
Because Uber requires you to have a credit card R135
|by Anonymous||reply 136||05/06/2021|
R136 I don't think they would use it even if they had a credit card. It's a macho thing too.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||05/06/2021|
¡Nosotros preferimos Lyft! R135 ¡Uber es para gringos!
|by Anonymous||reply 138||05/06/2021|
Honey, we'd be happy if you got a Lyft too. Just stay off the damn roads and quit driving drunk with your kids in the car.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||05/06/2021|
Aren't you lumped in with Dallas R140?
|by Anonymous||reply 141||05/06/2021|
Uber/Lyft/taxis are an issue in Houston. Because distances are much greater than most places, deciding to get an Uber/Lyft home if too drunk is VERY expensive. In a town with a lower median income than the average big city, paying $50+ for a ride home is too much for most people.
The expense of Uber/Lyft is one of the things that makes me choose to go to New Orleans instead of Houston. The trip to/from the airport (IAH) is so expensive - combined with the cost of local Uber/Lyfts, it makes a Houston weekend much more expensive despite other things being cheap
|by Anonymous||reply 142||05/06/2021|
"The trip to/from the airport (IAH) is so expensive"
Hmm, I remember there is a cheap public bus going from the Greyhound station downtown directly to the IAH terminal for like $2. If you can't afford a private ride....
|by Anonymous||reply 143||05/06/2021|
What are the best areas in Houston? I presume within the Loop, Memorial Drive, Montrose, the Heights?
In Austin priciest are Westlake, Old Austin (Pemberton), Tarrytown, Northwest Hills, Hyde Park, Rosedale. Allandale is now very expensive and Great Hills' prices are climbing.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||05/06/2021|
A city bus runs out to IAH. I've never used it, so I don't know where it drops you off. I have taken the city bus in from Hobby. There's a Metro stop in the pick-up area. Cheap and easy, though slow. What sucks is the light rail doesn't take you to either airport. When I traveled for work (for the government with no expense account), I liked Reagan National because I could walk out of the airport and right on to the train.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||05/06/2021|
I use Uber a lot but mainly going to and from restaurants/bars in my area but I don't think they are outrageous for short trips like those. I rarely have to go to the airports. The biggest issue recently has been a lack of drivers. Not sure if it's the pandemic and issues with magats bitching about wearing a mask but something has caused a serious lack of Uber/Lyft cars.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||05/06/2021|
Yep r146. There are fewer people driving for uber these days than in prepandemic life. I hope it will get back to normal.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||05/06/2021|
[quote] I remember watching Urban Cowboy as a kid and wanting to live in a posh high-rise in Houston just like Pam.
Yes, loved Pam's apartment on Urban Cowboy, esp. compared to Bud's and Scott Glen's trailers.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||05/06/2021|
The city bus from IAH to downtown Houston (Metro station downtown) is a 50 min ride and ONLY $1.25.
Talk about an "expensive" airport trip. It is pretty normal to take an airport shuttle or the subway in most European countries so get over yourself and take a cheap bus if Uber is too expensive.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||05/06/2021|
Amazing Indian food and Mexican food.
Also features the Rothko Chapel.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||05/06/2021|
It's lovely, I had a mother who lived there once.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||05/06/2021|
Speaking as a 14 year resident, I can tel you it is my favorite city in the US. I’ve lived in 5 major US cities and traveled to all of them. It is hot and humid, yes, but actually very diverse, progressive and welcoming (in the Montrose area where I live and work.) Saying all of that, there is no reason to “leave the loop,” meaning to venture outside of the downtown/Montrose/Midtown/Heights areas. There’s some very bad people out there. But if you’re fortunate enough to live inner-loop, it’s the best place in the US.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||05/06/2021|
Other than the diversity what do you like about it R152 and why? Are the areas you mention actually diverse themselves or are they mostly college-educated white people between the ages of 22 and 50?
And are the well-priced houses at R101-R103 in the area you'd consider acceptable?
|by Anonymous||reply 153||05/06/2021|
Don't let R152 scare you. There are fine people outside the loop too. I'm one of them. There's also bad people inside the loop.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||05/06/2021|
Okay, a reality check. When people say "Houston" they may be talking about 700 square miles. It's like people who live in Morristown or Stamford saying they "live in New York".
People regularly drive 25 miles to eat at a chain restaurant passing 3 other places with the same name, "Pappas", which btw are delicious, massive, calorie laden affairs. It's a Mexican restaurant with no Mexican waiters because they aren't allowed to handle money. Drink up, Double Gold Margarita and more chips please.
Manhattan is 22 square miles, 1.7 million people.
The Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) consists of nine counties: Austin, Brazoria, Chambers, Fort Bend, Galveston, Harris, Liberty, Montgomery and Waller The Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land MSA covers 9,444 square miles, an area slightly smaller than Massachusetts but larger than New Jersey.
Houston's size is 665 square miles with around 2.3 million people.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||05/06/2021|
[quote]It's lovely, I had a mother who lived there once.
"A" mother? You had more than one?
|by Anonymous||reply 156||05/06/2021|
R62 I would expand your definition of the Hill Country in the hopes that you’ve included Brenham and similar areas. I love those rolling hills.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||05/06/2021|
R155 Sugar Land native here! Moved there as a 6-year old when population was 2200 and it was merely a bedroom community for Houston doctors, lawyers, etc. It’s now well over 100k and incredibly diverse - and it went blue in 2016. My dad still lives there. Note: the refinery is supposed to be turned into condos. I would buy one in a heartbeat, just for the kitsch factor.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||05/06/2021|
Pappas are good but over-priced. You can find much better and cheaper Tex-Mex at little hole in the wall restaurants. Tex-Mex places are a dime a dozen in Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||05/06/2021|
Montrose gay here. What do you want to know?
|by Anonymous||reply 160||05/06/2021|
beyond Montrose, what are the cool areas to live in Houston?
My granny used to live in Tanglewood and my parents had a house off Memorial but the prices look through the roof there now.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||05/06/2021|
Is Gilley's still open? That whole Urban Cowboy/Gilley's era was a MOMENT! I could really get into a gay version of that. Are there gay country & western bars in Houston?
|by Anonymous||reply 162||05/06/2021|
Gilley's burned down years ago. Neon Boots is a gay C&W ballroom.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||05/06/2021|
R153 - To answer your question, yes, we are mainly college educated white people in the inner loop (it’s pricey) but was “diverse” in our thinking and attitude.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||05/06/2021|
R97: House prices in Atlanta have dramatically escalated. My old house there has doubled in price in the past 2 years. I suspact that the median price in the metro area was > $200K before the mortgage crisis.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||05/06/2021|
I have lived in many large cities (NY, LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, Houston, Phoenix) and have to say that both Houston and Portland were tied for favorite places to live. Houston has wonderful architecture (the new stuff being built is so much more tasteful than the garbage that gets built in all the other cities - both skyscrapers and homes.) It has some of the best museums in the country. It has wonderful restaurants of every imaginable nationality. It is green and lush, has beautiful parks, mostly highly educated people, a great art scene, is close to the beach (Galveston). I lived there for 7 years and pretty much loved every day of living there. It is is the only place I have ever lived where my neighbors all came by to introduce themselves to me when I moved in. It was surprisingly very gay friendly.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||05/06/2021|
You had me until Galveston, I've swam in the Hudson river in cleaner water, where u from gurl? Spring?
But you make a point, your money goes a lot further than NY/SF/LA, the real cities. Portland is a nice town, Houston too.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||05/06/2021|
Actually R167, something has happened the last few years in Galveston. For whatever reason, shifting currents, no one really knows, the water has been very clean and even blue. You can see where the line of sandbars ends and past that it's been blue or green water. Very pretty and clear. Haven't been down there though since pre-pandemic so no idea what it's like now. The brown comes from the Mississippi dumping into it.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||05/06/2021|
The problem with Houston is if you like cities, very little of Houston feels like a city. Only a few neighborhoods are actually walkable and dense. Most is just sprawl.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||05/06/2021|
r168, You seem nice, consider the beaches of SF/NY/LA and Portland and then Galveston. Por favor. Here's what I said to my co-workers in Houston after my first trip to Galveston, "I'm from New Jersey, I know a garbage dump when I see one".
Retitle thread- DLers, Tell Us about Houston Texas and being a slave to a car.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||05/06/2021|
R170 I used to live there and never saw it like that. When were you there? I know they have the same problems all beach towns do with bums and druggies moving there due to weather.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||05/06/2021|
I see some snob “inner loopers” here. OMG they are the worst. They literally think if you live outside the loop (inner loop, not Beltway loop) you are just trash and unworthy. Traffic inside the loop is stuff of nightmares. Crime in Monstrose was out of control a few years ago. The inner loop IS where crimes are committed. Granted, it has got some kick ass stuff. Houston is laid back. They need to get rid of all the tacky ass billboards everywhere. There is a major crash every fucking day on one of the freeways. I will forever marvel at how humans can crash into each other when they are all going the same direction.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||05/06/2021|
The inner loop is the only part of Houston that is actually a city r172. The rest is just suburbia.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||05/06/2021|
[quote] I've swam in the Hudson river
|by Anonymous||reply 174||05/06/2021|
Let's have Glen Campbell tell you about Galveston.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||05/06/2021|
Galveston is not all that at all. Ugly ass beach with muddy water. It has cleared some on some days but most days it is shit brown. The sea wall is needed but ugly.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||05/06/2021|
Is there a lot of yummy Latino foreskin to chew on?
|by Anonymous||reply 177||05/06/2021|
Galveston is not only ugly, it smells like sulfur and it's surrounded by refineries.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||05/06/2021|
I was born in Galveston and that that sang was really popular when I was a kid.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||05/06/2021|
Houston gays are not that cute or should I say there are a lot of dogs with a few really hot guys. Who said all the cute guys are gay? What a fucking crock of shit that is.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||05/06/2021|
I haven't found that to be true at all R180. Tons of hot guys.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||05/06/2021|
Tons of hot gays in every color of the rainbow.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||05/06/2021|
Is South Beach Club back open? Where do gays go now? JRs?
|by Anonymous||reply 183||05/06/2021|
BP oil spill made the Texas Beaches dirty.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||05/06/2021|
That is true about the inner loop, but the Galleria area which is just outside the loop is pretty urban as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||05/06/2021|
isn't the Galleria in the Loop? Westheimer's Old Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||05/06/2021|
It is really sad how cookie cutter the homes are in the Houston area. I have no idea how it is in other cities but all the new builds since I can remember pretty much are boring asf. Why? All other older homes, even in some shit neighborhoods, have unique homes.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||05/06/2021|
This place is really amazing. If you visit, you would not believe you are in suburban Houston (Pasadena). The diversity and amount of nature here is unbelievable when you realize where you are.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||05/06/2021|
Love Houston! (Only inside the loop.) We have the most amazing restaurants in the Montrose neighborhood, and one of the most beautiful city parks I’ve ever seen is right near Montrose. It’s called Memorial Park and has miles of hike and bike trails, acres of huge trees, green spaces to picnic or do yoga in, and lots of great eye candy! We can be outdoors every month if the year, and every restaurant has a huge patio for for dining al fresco. But the suburbs are trash, full of trash people. I rarely leave “the loop.”
|by Anonymous||reply 191||05/06/2021|
Rank the Houston gay bar/club scene from best to worst.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||05/06/2021|
The baths in Houston are as good as Steamworks in Chicago. I think the men are definitely hotter and more hung at the one in Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||05/06/2021|
My favorites are Ripcord, Eagle upstairs on Sundays, Tony's Corner Pocket. I feel too tall for Blur. Crocker's is fin but swampy in the summer. I've never had a good time at JRs.. full of InstaGays and their posses. I've never step foot in George's. Neon Boots was fine for a one time thing, but too far to drink (same with Crystals and Vivianas). The raunchiest is all the way down in Galveston called Lafitte's. They have a pool in the back where you will be offered a blowjob, guaranteed.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||05/07/2021|
To me Houston has jobs and diversity. It’s not pretty and it’s not that pleasant to live there due to traffic, weather and zoning but it has sort of an unpretentiousness to it where it isn’t trying to be anything else. Dallas is easier to navigate, also has jobs, is less diverse feeling but feels like it makes an effort to look nice for a flat, sprawling city on a prairie. However, it’s focus on aesthetics without a real charm, culture or history can come off as superficial and vapid.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||05/07/2021|
Tony’s Corner Pocket definitely has hot guys.
Does that fat chick Leslie and her gaggle of gays still hang out at JRs?
|by Anonymous||reply 196||05/07/2021|
[quote] People regularly drive 25 miles to eat at a chain restaurant passing 3 other places with the same name, "Pappas", which btw are delicious, massive, calorie laden affairs. It's a Mexican restaurant with no Mexican waiters because they aren't allowed to handle money.
... why are Mexicans not allowed to handle money?!
|by Anonymous||reply 197||05/07/2021|
You queens from NYC & LA will always shit on cities like Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, and other southern sunbelt cities for one main reason. Your cities are losing people like mad to these "shitholes" and you're scared to death you won't be able to brag about living where you live for much longer. Actually to anyone who has a brain you haven't been able to brag about it for a long time. Far more consider NYC and LA the worst shitholes on earth, and that's why people & businesses are fleeing like the wind every week.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||05/07/2021|
R197 All Mexicans are murderers or rapists. They can babysit your children, clean your houses or mow your lawn, but you can't trust them with money.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||05/07/2021|
R198 - I absolutely agree. The “glory days” of NYC and LA are now over. They’re internationally viewed as horribly managed, dirty, diseased places.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||05/07/2021|
It's more of an income thing R200
As I think I had noted upthread, places like NYC and LA are great places to live if you're making a good salary, say $250K/year and up, especially if you are a dual-income couple and making twice that or more.
But if I were in a job where I knew I would never make anything close to that--say a school teacher--I would look into someplace like Houston in a heartbeat, because it seems that you can have a much much much higher quality of life there.
Weather is what it is: If you live in Santa Monica or Venice or anywhere along the coast in southern California, you do pretty much have perfect weather.
But NYC and the rest of the Northeast have about four weeks in May-June and four weeks in September-October where the weather is really nice and it's pleasant to be outside, but the rest of the year is either freezing or hot and humid.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||05/07/2021|
The trouble with saying "it's ok if you have central air", "It's affordable", "they have good museums" is that lots of places have those things and aren't built over swamps or have miserable humidity or endless stripmalls. Face it, it sucks.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||05/07/2021|
R202 - Bless your heart!! Have you been reading my comments above? Houston is a paradise oasis within the “loop.” Outside the “loop” it’s living hell with horrible people. Trust me on this one!
|by Anonymous||reply 203||05/07/2021|
I don't think I could be very happy in a place that suppressed voting.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||05/07/2021|
The air quality is horrible for anyone with sinus or allergy problems but the number one worst thing in Houston is that every place you go there are MAGAts with guns. 40 percent in the city/ 80 percent in the suburbs. Literally a million evil, stupid, cruel, racist pieces of shit. Your Dr. could be one, your pharmacist, dry cleaner, they are everywhere, worse than a virus.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||05/07/2021|
If I owned Hell and Houston, I would live in Hell and rent out Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||05/07/2021|
Climate change is destroying Houston, so anyone who buys property there is an idiot. Parts of the city now flood regularly, and those areas are sure to grow as the area's average rainfall continues to increase and the hurricanes get worse.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||05/07/2021|
R207 Houston has always flooded. When I was a kid 100 years ago, my Dad used to take us at twilight to a stretch of road near a bayou where the tarantulas would emerge en masse before a rainstorm and march across the road to higher ground. A ballet of 100s of tarantulas was a sight to see!
|by Anonymous||reply 208||05/07/2021|
"X has always flooded" is not exactly a ringing endorsement for any place. And this inside/outside the loop stuff doesn't help. Lots of places are more livable in some areas than others--probably everywhere. Atlanta, which never lives up to its hype, is much better if you live "Intown" (Basically downtown out to Decatur) than elsewhere but it still is no particular endorsement of the place. The "better area" argument can be made anywhere and doesn't always compensate for the more general negatives.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||05/07/2021|
Nicest areas of Houston - and no one has mentioned River Oaks or University, the nicest and most expansive areas in Houston? River Oaks has some of the most beautiful urban center neighborhoods in the world. Rivals Beverly Hills - the flats anyway. And you’re right next to the Montrose. Museum area/River Oaks/Montrose are the best area IMO. You can get a mansion in River Oaks for the price of a house in the San Fernando Valley. Or more relevantly, the price of a mediocre new build McMansion in Austin.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||05/07/2021|
R209 Houston and New Orleans (I've lived in both) are identical climate wise. Both flood. Both are hot and humid and both are largely black cities.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||05/07/2021|
[quote]The air quality is horrible for anyone with sinus or allergy problems
But, how is the air quality inside the"loop"?
|by Anonymous||reply 212||05/07/2021|
New Orleans is much more fun. You're not helping your case.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||05/07/2021|
R210 - River Oaks might look nice at first glance, but it’s a hotbed of evil bigots and racists. I live in Montrose (adjacent neighborhood) and see their behavior frequently. Ted Cruz lives there, and he’s the least bigoted one! It is packed with generational wealth that only serves their own interests. We locals stay away. They even have their own private police force patrolling their public streets (River Oaks is not gated, but individual homes are.)
|by Anonymous||reply 214||05/07/2021|
r204, It's not just the voting suppression, it's the standing around applauding themselves for their evil deeds and just KNOWING Jesus loves them for making it illegal to give voters water! Good job hypoChristians. It's sickening and I want to ask every single Christian Texan I knew, "WHET Thou shall not lie? Or, any of those other commandments that you all used to talk about so much during the Clinton years. They were so important they wanted to put it on money. Funny, we don't hear about the 10 commandments much any more, I wonder why?
|by Anonymous||reply 215||05/07/2021|
It used to be that Houston had some of the worst pollution in the country and canals would catch on fire. Houston has very high cancer rates. which most be because of the pollution and high rate of smoking there. The city has been built over virtual toxic waste dumps. It bubbles to the surface after storms.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||05/07/2021|
Is Houston the sort of place where, even inside The Loop, people ask you which church you go to, the way New Yorkers might ask you what you do for a living?
|by Anonymous||reply 217||05/07/2021|
And what will you say that you're a devil worshipper?
|by Anonymous||reply 218||05/07/2021|
Once you get past the MAGAt's and the hypochristians you can meet and find a lot of great characters with warmth, wit, charm and creativity. The bars were all very friendly, people are generally polite everywhere you go and that makes life a lot more pleasant. More than once I ended up going to breakfast with people because we wanted to keep talking after the bar. I've never done that in NY or any place else that I remember. I had a rental car for a month with Florida plates and people would regularly talk to me about it in traffic or in parking lots. Also, the traffic lights go out when it floods and I was amazed how consistently polite and orderly people handled 4 way stops. Very civil. I would pick Houston over every other city in TX including Austin, which is too small for me and I couldn't stand to have people tell me how great it was all the time. Houston does not try to be something it's not.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||05/07/2021|
Many significant architects have designed some very wonderful buildings in Houston. Such as I.M. Pei, Phillip Johnson,
|by Anonymous||reply 220||05/07/2021|
Visited in 2012. Downtown closes down very early and there seems to be expressways everywhere. NASA is cool.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||05/07/2021|
r211 Actually Houston is largely a Latino city followed by white, black and then Asian. It's not predominantly black like New Orleans.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||05/07/2021|
Good God some (most) of you lot from outside the southern US have some incredibly antiquated, and ignorant, ideas about what living in the south is like. I have lived in the south for almost 69 years and to date no one has ever asked me what church I go to, nor have I ever heard it asked of anyone else.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||05/07/2021|
r221 Downtown has been reborn since 2012.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||05/07/2021|
Major architects--so what, I could say the same about smaller places like Hartford (a good IM Pei building) or Cleveland (bad Pei, nice Johnson). Columbus Indiana has a wide range of great modernist buildings. You have to make the gestalt attractive rather than all this peripheral detail or the chamber of commerce nonsense (Most diverse!) that's easily debunked.
Have lived in the South and have been to all the major Texas cities multiple times. Houston seems like a fairly generic, consumerist sprawlburg. Maybe it will become a real city some day---it took Chicago decades to get past irritating Babbitry and become one, but it could easily be another Atlanta---some place that probably will never live up to it endless grating hype ("next world city", "the NYC of the South") but structurally unable to find a niche where it can actually be worth bragging about.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||05/07/2021|
R219 - You summed up Houston perfectly!
|by Anonymous||reply 227||05/07/2021|
R224 I couldn't agree more. I lived in Houston for 7 years and no one ever asked me what church I go to.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||05/07/2021|
Every major city in the US is a "sprawlburg". Tell me one that is not. NYC, LA, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Miami, Washington DC, and every other city sprawls for miles and miles from their central cores. LA is probably the biggest sprawlburg on the planet.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||05/07/2021|
To the poster asking about the neighborhoods for the three homes on Zillow above:
#1 and #2 - Relatively poor, high-crime areas just off Loop 610. The other side of the freeway, you’re getting into some of the most desolate neighborhoods in the city.
#3 – Situated on a major, but very narrow thoroughfare that’s unnerving to drive though. Walkable area though, with nice restaurants.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||05/07/2021|
Thanks R230, that was me.
Are those areas being gentrified though?
Both #1 and #2 seemed very HGTV House Flip to me, which would indicate they were aimed at more upscale buyers?
|by Anonymous||reply 231||05/07/2021|
Houston - like Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, El Paso and more recently Fort Worth - is a Democratic city. It's rural Texas and some suburbs that are GOP.
Unfortunately, a shitload of Republican Californians have moved here..
|by Anonymous||reply 232||05/07/2021|
It’s a great city but can’t stand the humidity
|by Anonymous||reply 233||05/07/2021|
My friend who moved there to work in a hospital said the first thing people ask him is if he wants to join their Bible study group.
He's been there for six months now and still hasn't met someone he feels he could be friends with.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||05/07/2021|
[quote]My friend who moved there to work in a hospital said the first thing people ask him is if he wants to join their Bible study group.
😑 What a nightmare.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||05/07/2021|
So far, the Bible and church stuff is the worst turn-off.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||05/07/2021|
R236 Wait until summer comes. Hope he’s likes 90+ degree days and 100% humidity. Oh and wait until he gets the electric bill.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||05/07/2021|
Don't people use solar energy panels in Houston? My electricity bill is crazy, but I'm renting.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||05/07/2021|
It's home to Joel Osteen! He keeps his church nice and tidy by keeping all the wet hurricane rained on riff raff out.
Buy your tickets now!
|by Anonymous||reply 239||05/07/2021|
I like San Antonio better out of all Texas cities. Riverwalk is really nice.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||05/07/2021|
Houston is so ugly. If a developer comes to your area and says they're from Houston, shot them. The urban developers messed with Texas.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||05/07/2021|
r224, I lived in Tallahassee for 12 years (I'm originally from the pacific Northwest). I was never asked what church I attended while living in Tallahassee. HOWEVER, I was asked, practically on a weekly basis, by people I hardly knew, if I had accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior. To say that such a question took me aback would be a major understatement. I wish I had had the balls to respond, as a friend of mine does to such inquiries, with a deep look intended to make the asker quake, "that's an incredibly personal question, DON'T YOU THINK?" Moreover, the deep South was the only place I ever lived where people routinely made decisions (and admitted to doing so) on the basis of what was "in the Bible". One friend's mother, an avid gardener, hated vines. She looked for Biblical references to help her out of quandary, and proudly told me that she had found the verse "and he took an axe to the root of the vine". Using that as her guide, she took an axe and chopped away at all the vines she could find growing on her property. I suspect that Houston, being a bigger city and more diverse, tones down that Christian rhetoric, but I wouldn't be surprised if it survives in many of the semi-rural communities which surround and envelope Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||05/07/2021|
I was born in Houston. I moved to Dallas when I was eight but I've spent a lot of time in Houston throughout the years and never encountered any God-botherers anywhere.
Ultra-religious types tend to be more of a Dallas thing. For all its attitude and pretentions Dallas is a very provincial place, far more so than Houston IMO.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||Last Saturday at 1:24 AM|
R241 - “Houston is ugly”
Umm, you sir, are an ignorant moron.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||Last Saturday at 3:59 AM|
What about property taxes in Houston? A friend told me his boss built a new home on Lake Austin and the property taxes are exploding. He paid $81.000 (!!!) in 2020 and this year they increased his taxes a third time in a row to $115.000. That's almost $35.000 more in one year.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||Last Saturday at 5:02 AM|
I'm sure there's been a lot of progress since I lived there 30 years ago but Texas went from Ann Richards(!!!) to George Bush to Rick Perry to Greg Abbott, dumb, dumber and dumbest. How did that happen without the glorification of (Ivy League educated) stupidity?
How can you accept Evangelical Christians as unapologetic and unrepentant liars? I would be accepting those bible study invitations now that their true amorality has been exposed. These voting laws are pure evil. The worst part of living in Houston is that it's in Texas.
|by Anonymous||reply 247||Last Saturday at 5:40 AM|
I moved back here in the late 80's and Houston has changed tremendously during that time. Back then I would say there were people around who would ask "what church do you go to" and back then Pasadena was "white" and no minorities allowed and majority redneck (home to Gilley's). Now, with so many foreigners working here at NASA and in the petrochem and marine industries and the immigrants flooding in from all over the world it's very different. In my neighborhood down near NASA we have a church right next door to an Islamic mosque and activity center and Pasadena is now majority Hispanic. People who think Houston is some Southern redneck God bothering hick town are very mistaken and are more than likely very narrow minded anyway,
|by Anonymous||reply 248||Last Saturday at 5:57 AM|
Houston IS ugly. What’s with them building all those ugly, detached, garage-presenting SFH that might as well be townhomes because there is approximately six inches of useless and impossible to access space between them? Also, for very large metros, the Texas biggies are still VERY red.
|by Anonymous||reply 249||Last Saturday at 5:59 AM|
The only things I like in Houston is art purchased by oil money. The Menil collection, and the Rothko Chapel.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||Last Saturday at 6:00 AM|
Pasadena may now be Hispanic but I'll bet all the managers at Luby's are still white and your neighbors who love you and bring you pecan pie still think it's okay for gays to be fired and that you're going to hell for eternity, unlike their pedophile brother who is forgiven because he accepts JC.
There's a lot of nice people in Houston but don't be Pollyanna, the racism/ignorance is deep and wide and somewhat celebrated.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||Last Saturday at 7:13 AM|
I heard Ann Richards tell this story live about the first female Gov. of Texas who when asked about bilingual education said "If English is good enough for our lord Jesus Christ it's good enough for the people of Texas". That would STILL be a winning line in today's Texas politics and wouldn't cost you a vote.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||Last Saturday at 7:18 AM|
Luby's is going out of business. Cleburne's is the best cafeteria in Houston.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||Last Saturday at 7:43 AM|
[quote]Rank the Houston gay bar/club scene from best to worst.
1. Buddy's. The new place in town and they did everything right. 2. Eagle. Despite the name it's Houston's stand and model bar, a title JR's used to hold. 3. George. Friendly country sports bar and friendly guys. The COVID changes they had to make, make the inside really awkward now. 4. Tony's Corner Pocket. Trashy beyond comprehension but that's why it's so much fun. Many of the dancers go on to better things; one of them is now the premier French Bulldog breeder in the country, and another used his tips to get through law school. 5. JR's. Faded glory. 6. Neon Boots, big country place, but pretty far from the center of town in an area swarming with cops. 7. All the rest, don't bother with them.
R247 skipped over Mark White which is understandable; nobody remembers him. And r247 really isn't making a strong case.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||Last Saturday at 8:41 AM|
Thanks R255. Had not heard of Buddy’s. I do love the Corner Pocket. One of those great places that used to exist in NYC and other cities that were over gentrified. One of the reason I like Houston - real people can still live there.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||Last Saturday at 8:54 AM|
[quote] River Oaks has some of the most beautiful urban center neighborhoods in the world. Rivals Beverly Hills.
I'll take Beverly Hills. After reading this thread, it seems like Houston is decent if you stay in a small section of the city, but once you leave that progressive, urban zone, everyone seems to agree it's terrible. That seems to be the sentiment with Austin as a city. It's great, but once you leave, it's all trash. If I am going to live in a red state on hurricane alley, I think I would just do a coastal community in Florida. There are nice beaches and more to do.
|by Anonymous||reply 257||Last Saturday at 8:57 AM|
Pasadena and every other city in and around Houston is majority Hispanic. But it is still 35% or so white and they live predominantly in the southern part of the city, are affluent and crazy Christians.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||Last Saturday at 9:43 AM|
Actually, there are many "progressive" zones around the city. The inner loop snobs would have you think it's only in the loop. There are pockets everywhere. That's what happens with sprawl.
My favorite beaches in Texas are Port Aransas and Mustang Island which is a state park.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||Last Saturday at 9:45 AM|
I’ve not heard of Buddy’s.
Why is JRs rated so low now? Didn’t they do that huge renovation?
|by Anonymous||reply 260||Last Saturday at 9:46 AM|
I think it is pretty safe to assume that the bible/church shit goes on more "outside the loop" than inside the loop. Most people who live inside the loop never venture outside of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||Last Saturday at 10:38 AM|
R261 I'm surprised the person who posted above said he worked at a Houston hospital and all his co-workers asked him to join a Bible study group. That's bizarre as it seems like 90% of the medical staff in Houston is South Asian.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||Last Saturday at 11:16 AM|
Yes to Texas, North Carolina and Georgia.
Never to Florida. Not even for a visit.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||Last Saturday at 11:19 AM|
I think Trump has forever tarnished Florida.
|by Anonymous||reply 264||Last Saturday at 11:21 AM|
My brother is an atheist and moved to Texas for work a couple of years ago. He worked for a oil company and regularly visited different offices and refineries in the Gulf region. A lot of colleagues asked him about church in Louisiana, Port Arthur, Houston etc. Especially his colleagues wives always wanted to know if he had already joined a church and always offered him to attend church with them. He finally joined a Lutheran church and made some donations so he could give them a name and leave him alone. It is not true that people in Texas don't ask you about church.
|by Anonymous||reply 265||Last Saturday at 1:23 PM|
R265 I've lived in Texas cities most of my life and nobody has ever asked me what church I go to (I don't, I'm an atheist),
|by Anonymous||reply 266||Last Saturday at 2:35 PM|
I've been here 6 years and no one's asked me what church I go to.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||Last Saturday at 2:41 PM|
I suspect that church-going is a topic among blue-collar oil workers, but not at all with most educated people.
|by Anonymous||reply 268||Last Saturday at 2:48 PM|
[quote] people were talking about "the Bay Area" of Houston and I realized that other than NASA and the Bushes I knew nothing about it,
I grew up in the so-called Bay Area or Clear Lake. It's where Nasa is located. There are a lot of really smart people, foreigners and asshole libertarians. It's a boring suburb for the most part. The coast is lined with refineries and a few old seedy beach towns.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||Last Saturday at 2:55 PM|
[quote] He worked for a oil company and regularly visited different offices and refineries in the Gulf region. A lot of colleagues asked him about church in Louisiana, Port Arthur, Houston etc.
This happened to me all the time in Louisiana but never in my life in Houston. I imagine it's somewhat common in Port Arthur and Beaumont. I'd tell people I was Catholic, which is basically a pagan to the types of people who'd ask, and they'd leave me alone.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||Last Saturday at 2:58 PM|
R265 Your brother is a pussy. He should have manned up and just said he was a non-believer.
Goodness, if people don’t even have the guts to admit they don’t go to church, imagine how many people are still in the closet about being gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 271||Last Saturday at 6:50 PM|
R270 Port Arthur and Beaumont are super rightwing. The Carcinogenic Coast.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||Last Saturday at 7:09 PM|
Some parts of the metro smell like a giant fertilizer plant.
|by Anonymous||reply 273||Last Saturday at 7:24 PM|
Lumping Port Arthur and Houston together is ridiculous. Like Erie, PA and Philadelphia.
|by Anonymous||reply 274||Last Saturday at 7:27 PM|
While Pasadena got labeled as the stinky city (the plant that stunk is gone) prevailing winds blow the ship channel refinery releases away from Pasadena 90% of the year. Pasadena only gets the pollution when we get a cold front.
|by Anonymous||reply 275||Last Saturday at 9:54 PM|
So does the fat girl Leslie still go around JRs with her insufferable gays?
|by Anonymous||reply 276||Last Monday at 8:00 PM|
Ive never been but I’ve heard good things about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||Last Monday at 8:06 PM|
R275 - Us locals call Pasadena “Stink-a-dena.” Ive lived here 14 years and never been there!
|by Anonymous||reply 278||Last Tuesday at 4:31 AM|
Pasadena has all the charm of a sump.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||Last Tuesday at 5:24 AM|
Houstonians (especially right now) have a kind of smug satisfaction and pride about our home city. When we look around and see your overrated, overpriced “world class cities) plagued with disease, crime, homelessness, and poor leadership. (No this is not a hate thread on NYC, LA, SF, and the others.) Its more that we are so happy we chose to live here, and know we made the right decision. It’s nice to breathe a huge sigh of relief in these times. I actually pity the gays that are in those above-mentioned cities currently in a scramble to move and having to figure out career and residency. What a nightmare that must be.
|by Anonymous||reply 280||Last Tuesday at 5:38 AM|
Went to the Woodlands, was walking around in sandals and was badly bitten by some awful ants on my feet and ankles. Stayed at 4 Seasons on company dime, This was in the summer time and it was kept very cold when indoors, requiring a jacket.. Saw Duke and Duchess of Kent waiting for a limo, Had a massage and the masseuse had done the Duchess right before me. I have never been back and don't intend to. Saw many women in the offices with waist length hair, which seemed to have something to do with going out and dancing the two step.
|by Anonymous||reply 281||Last Tuesday at 5:55 AM|
I grew up in Friendswood so I’m familiar with Pasadena. Pasadena isn’t called “sink-a-dena” anymore. It actually has nice housing in the central/southern portion of the city (those awful McMansions) and has a great rodeo which attracts national singers, the huge Strawberry festival, the Armand Bayou Nature Center and its business growth is exploding around the expanding Beltway.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||Last Tuesday at 1:36 PM|
R282 - Please don’t tell me you’re glamorizing Pasadena, Texas! It’s one of the worst cities in the state. It’s also got the highest cancer rates in the nation. It’s an evil pit of hell right here on earth. It’s where meth heads go to die.
|by Anonymous||reply 283||Last Tuesday at 1:43 PM|
[quote]Had a massage and the masseuse had done the Duchess right before me.
What does this mean?
|by Anonymous||reply 284||Last Tuesday at 1:44 PM|
nvm I somehow missed the preceding sentence.
|by Anonymous||reply 285||Last Tuesday at 1:45 PM|
R257 I think you miss the point about Houston. Pretty much everything you would want to do is inside the loop. So you rarely have to travel outside the loop to the burbs beyond. The Galleria area is about the only part of Houston one might want to travel to, but it is right outside the loop. The beaches of Galveston are only 45 minutes from downtown Houston. Galveston is also FULL of wonderful historic architecture.
|by Anonymous||reply 286||Last Tuesday at 2:30 PM|
R238 Well my ex lived there. I went to San Jacinto College there. It really is not that bad. Most of Clear Lake City is actually Pasadena. For some reason the link won’t work (maybe it is my phone) but Pasadena is not even the top 10 most populated cities in the Houston area. Prevailing winds do not blow the petro plants over the city unless a cold front blow through. King wood gets the pollution blown over them 90% more than Pasadena. The northern part is old and run down but the southern part is booming. As I described above, it has quite a few huge cultural events. The people are Christian MAGA crazies, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||Last Tuesday at 2:53 PM|
Sorry the above was meant for R283
|by Anonymous||reply 288||Last Tuesday at 2:54 PM|
Where’s the “Pasadena was home to actress Sharon Tate and serial killer Dean Corll who both went to the same elementary there at the same time” troll?
|by Anonymous||reply 289||Last Tuesday at 2:56 PM|
Houston is extremely progressive. The mayor before the current one (who is black) was an out lesbian.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||Last Tuesday at 6:50 PM|
R289 - Actually the Pasadena you’re thinking of is Pasadena, California. We are talking about Pasadena, Texas (near Houston) on this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 291||Last Tuesday at 6:53 PM|
R291 Yes, we are all aware and the Texas one you speak about is the old caricature. It has changed. Maybe you should?
|by Anonymous||reply 292||Last Tuesday at 6:56 PM|
It is a well known fact that Houston is ugly. The developers there fuck it up. I am sure there are efforts by some to do some beautification projects, but you need state tax money for that. So, good luck with that.
They are backwards on Health Care. They need to do the Medicare/Medicaid Government Program Expansion. They are blocking money that goes directly to medical care of their state citizens.
|by Anonymous||reply 293||Last Tuesday at 7:05 PM|
Like most of Texas, the main thing that turns me of is the absence of natural beauty or parkland. You can have a fine life there - but I need nature.
|by Anonymous||reply 294||Last Tuesday at 7:44 PM|
DLers, Tell Us About Houston...... there's a tiger named India roaming around.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||Last Tuesday at 7:56 PM|
A relative used to get the "Have you accepted JC as your personal savior?" question in Houston all the time. This goes back 10 years and it was a retirement community.
I'm sure that if you love living in Houston, this thread is very frustrating. For some of us, the red state politics is impossible to swallow. But if you can have a good life despite that, good for you.
|by Anonymous||reply 296||Last Wednesday at 6:29 AM|
R226 it's a question of where you live, who you work with and who your neighbors are. As a gay man, I've never hung around with rightwing Bible thumpers who are easily avoided in the major cities or worked in an industry that attracted them.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||Last Wednesday at 8:05 AM|
Have lived in the South---the "have you been saved?" crowd is impossible to avoid, even if you live in the local liberal bubble.
|by Anonymous||reply 298||Last Wednesday at 9:21 AM|
R298 nobody has ever asked me that.. I guess they figure a gay man's going to hell and they'd be wasting their breath.
|by Anonymous||reply 299||Last Wednesday at 9:50 AM|
R294 I suspect that you have never been to Houston. Living there is like living in a jungle. Besides all the trees, and (4) bayous it has frogs, turtles, alligators and snakes inside the city. Inside the loop, even. And the Buffalo Bayou goes right through downtown Houston, in the theatre district, which is one of the most impressive theatre districts in the country.
|by Anonymous||reply 300||Last Wednesday at 5:39 PM|
More of that chamber of commerce nonsense. Lots of places can claim great theater (DC, for example) and remarkable theater districts (Cleveland, for example). You really have to make it stop. Bayou=swamp. Not an attractive idea. Even DC "built on swamp" only has a small bit that's actual swamp.
|by Anonymous||reply 301||Last Wednesday at 7:05 PM|