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WHET Lucille Wexler?

Has she opened any interesting pieces of mail lately?

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by Anonymousreply 237April 30, 2021 11:30 AM

THANK YOU OP

by Anonymousreply 1April 17, 2021 12:44 AM

I don't know her.

by Anonymousreply 2April 17, 2021 12:48 AM

Not to spend too much more time on Kim Zimmer, but it's news to me that there was talk of her going to All My Children in 1995.

by Anonymousreply 3April 17, 2021 12:56 AM

I posted that R3 and if I remember right that was something in Lynda Hirsch when KZ's first shows as a ghost happened.

Because JFP was saying "this is just a visit"

by Anonymousreply 4April 17, 2021 1:01 AM

I'm just so fascinated by it, R4. The idea of Susan Lucci AND Kim Zimmer on the same soap? I can't decide how I feel about this.

by Anonymousreply 5April 17, 2021 1:18 AM

Who was she going to play on AMC?

Kim Zimmer always gave hausfrau energy to me, she always seemed like some mom in a minivan to me. Even when she was skinny I thought that .

by Anonymousreply 6April 17, 2021 1:25 AM

[quote]it's news to me that there was talk of her going to All My Children in 1995.

I take that about as seriously as the rumor that AMC wanted Deidre Hall to play Tara after she was let go from DAYS.

As in, not at all.

by Anonymousreply 7April 17, 2021 1:28 AM

Sometimes I find myself thinking, "What would Geraldine Whitney do?"

by Anonymousreply 8April 17, 2021 1:45 AM

Kim Zimmer did have connections with ABC soaps, remember she was on OLTL right before GL and then went back there after GL was cancelled. So it is somewhat conceivable that she might have had talks with AMC. Also, AMC didn't have a problem bringing on big names from other soaps, they brought on Genie Francis and Finola Hughes, among others, without La Lucci going insane.

by Anonymousreply 9April 17, 2021 2:26 AM

I'm sure if AMC was ever in talks with her, that probably went out the window as soon as Marcy Walker announced a return to AMC - which happened around the time of Zimmer's original guest stint.

The whole mention may have just been PR BS to make Zimmer look in demand. In any case, if GL was what she wanted, she got her wish, clearly.

And let's get real - La Lucci would not welcome KZ joining the cast AT ALL.

by Anonymousreply 10April 17, 2021 3:14 AM

I'm now imagining Kim reading for Sydney Chase on THE CITY. (Probably not, but it *was* a prominent new role on a New York-based soap in '95.)

by Anonymousreply 11April 17, 2021 3:33 AM

R11 Oh, that might be. Would make sense timing wise.

by Anonymousreply 12April 17, 2021 3:39 AM

We always complain about the clone.

But before the clone there was Ghost Reva. And Amish Reva.

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by Anonymousreply 13April 17, 2021 3:48 AM

Kimmer could have played Opal’s sister Topaz.

by Anonymousreply 14April 17, 2021 6:39 AM

Lucille Wexler was in love with Jennifer Richards.

by Anonymousreply 15April 17, 2021 10:17 AM

“Lucille Wexler died on the operating table” was the most shocking soap line little me had ever heard back then. I was probably 7 years old at the time.

by Anonymousreply 16April 17, 2021 11:01 AM

Zimmer as Silver Kane woulda worked. Or as Bianca.

by Anonymousreply 17April 17, 2021 3:47 PM

Kim Zimmer IS Brooke English!

"I baptize myself the Slut of Tempo!"

by Anonymousreply 18April 17, 2021 4:56 PM

Was she going to be a recast Tara ? Her daughter Kelsey was added to the show around that time.

by Anonymousreply 19April 17, 2021 4:59 PM

You know who would have been a good Reva recast?

Nancy Frangione

by Anonymousreply 20April 17, 2021 5:01 PM

Actually Kim would have been a great Cecile recast. But a star like Kim really should never be a recast, but a new character - created especially for her.

I always felt kind of bad for her that things never worked out for her in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 21April 17, 2021 5:05 PM

She would have been great in Evening Shade. Or as a full time character on Designing Women.

It was just a matter of timing for her. That, and the fact that she had two young children by the mid 80s and wanted a steady job, which meant she wasn't competing in Hollywood until she was 35.

by Anonymousreply 22April 17, 2021 5:11 PM

I am not a Zimmer fan, but she would have been better than Marilu Henner as the wife on Evening Shade.

by Anonymousreply 23April 17, 2021 5:14 PM

Damn, this "WHET" idiocy might have been funny for two minutes, but now it just seems totally witless and extremely annoying. Can we PLEASE go back to WEHT?

by Anonymousreply 24April 17, 2021 5:14 PM

A lump of wet cat fur would have been better than Henner.

by Anonymousreply 25April 17, 2021 5:15 PM

Smell me, bitches!

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by Anonymousreply 26April 17, 2021 5:24 PM

You know who I could see Kim playing? Dee Dee, Beth Broderick's role on HEARTS AFIRE. The senator's mistress.

by Anonymousreply 27April 17, 2021 5:30 PM

R26, how dare yoU!

It's Saturday morning and I've got a zillion things to do!

Now, I'm watching this and am enthralled.

I love how fucking BORED Vanessa looks during the trial ("Daddy, they mention me at all!")

I'd love to see Marland's version of this story from GH -- Lesley going to jail for Laura killing David Hamilton; and Kim being grilled by Avril Hobson on ATWT

by Anonymousreply 28April 17, 2021 5:46 PM

I just watched that clip, thanks for sending me down that rabbit hole. How did they rewrite Amanda's paternity? From that clip it was a teenage fling between Alan and Jennifer that resulted in pregnancy. How did they wedge Brandon Spaulding into the story?

by Anonymousreply 29April 17, 2021 6:27 PM

R29 After watching that clip about the 1990s retcon of Amanda just makes my stomach hurt. One of many things they fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 30April 17, 2021 8:30 PM

Geri Court was such a lez.

by Anonymousreply 31April 17, 2021 8:33 PM

I'M COMIN' BUD!

by Anonymousreply 32April 17, 2021 11:07 PM

R30, that retcon was just so fucking unnecessary. It was hugely disrespectful to Doug Marland’s previous work and it had absolutely zero long term impact on the overall storylines.

by Anonymousreply 33April 18, 2021 12:37 AM

Watching GL die was like watching a favorite aunt or grandparent die of neglect.

They should have pulled out all the stops and gotten vets galore back in the 1990s: Kathleen Cullen, Elvera Roussel, Lenore Kasdorf....

all had story to tell and would have rejuvenated Alan and Ed.

Marj, god rest her soul was a lovely woman and great as Myrna and Vanessa (AMC), but she was not Alexandra.

P&G would hire people to run the shows who had never watched them.

by Anonymousreply 34April 18, 2021 1:17 AM

Kim Zimmer was in talks to play Kelly Ripa (Hayley) trailer-trash mother (Arlene) in 1995

But then Guiding Light caught wind of it and stepped in with an offer, and Kim could never say no to Reva.

by Anonymousreply 35April 18, 2021 1:26 AM

R35 That would have been the perfect role for her on AMC.

by Anonymousreply 36April 18, 2021 1:40 AM

It really would have been THE perfect role for her on that show.

by Anonymousreply 37April 18, 2021 1:58 AM

have to say though that Oliva Birkelund was fantastic in that part.

She didn't look old enough to be Hayley's mom, but she played her as such a neurotic sex-starved mess!

She and Alec (Grant Aleksander) did some real deep dark stuff on the show.

She couldn't help but drool over her daughter's new b.f.; he got wind of it and when Arlene caught onto Alec's embezzling, she threatened him; he MARRIED Hayley and on their wedding night, while Hayley's down in the car, Alec goes up to his apartment and there's Arlene and she's all screw me now or I tell Hayley everything. (something like that)

They start making out; she tries to leave and he's like oh, no. ENOUGH. He pushes her into wall, grabs her, picks her up in his arms (Swoon) and puts her on the bed and screws the daylights out of her. (Grant didn't take his shirt off though grrr); I supposed it'd have been interesting to see Phillip and Reva do the nasty, but I did find Birkelund to be compelling in the role.

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by Anonymousreply 38April 18, 2021 2:08 AM

[quote] It really would have been THE perfect role for her on that show.

Reva & Phillip together on All My Children!

by Anonymousreply 39April 18, 2021 2:10 AM

That was a great scene R38. We have all been Arlene. Thanks for posting that.

by Anonymousreply 40April 18, 2021 2:18 AM

SOLD! I can very easily picture Kim as Arlene.

by Anonymousreply 41April 18, 2021 2:19 AM

I think Zimmer would have been even better casting than Birkelund, though.

by Anonymousreply 42April 18, 2021 2:30 AM

When Kim Zimmer went to the Soap "Santa Barbara" she did contact P&G as a courtesy to see if there was any interest from Guiding Light, before she signed with SB. At that time "Guiding Light" was riding high & Robert Newman wasn't on the show. So P&G deferred to Jill Farren Phelps - and JFP wasn't interested.

This time around when AMC approached Kim - Guiding Light was in a free fall in the ratings and Jill Farren Phelps job was on the chopping block. This time around P&G demanded Jill make a formal offer to Kim - as Robert Newman was on the show.

by Anonymousreply 43April 18, 2021 2:34 AM

I think CBS also insisted Zimmer come back.

Zimmer was featured on the CBS Special 50 Years of Soaps along Jackie Zeman, Bill and Susan Hayes, Bill and Lee Bell, A Martinez, and Eileen Fulton.

They were all introduced and special clips were shown of their work; all spectacular.

If CBS wasn't interested or invested in Zimmer, then they would have had a clip of someone else shown -- Maeve, Hunter Tylo, Peter Simon, Zaslow....

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by Anonymousreply 44April 18, 2021 2:41 AM

BB had a really low turnout at that taping btw. the show was in Malibu shooting Ridge and Brooke's wedding - the one that didn't count

by Anonymousreply 45April 18, 2021 2:42 AM

I think Zimmer would have been better than Birkelund because the show, by that point, had slipped away from Dickensian, larger than life characters (like Dorothy Lyman’s Opal) and Zimmer’s Arlene would have fit the bill. Arlene was a loser. Birkelund, with her stunning blue eyes, was simply too pretty for the role.

by Anonymousreply 46April 18, 2021 3:57 AM

R30 It was Megan McTavish's writing so what can we expect? After JFP and the Demorest/Curlee head writing team left is when GL really started to lose its way.

by Anonymousreply 47April 18, 2021 4:13 AM

I rub piss on my face to look younger!

by Anonymousreply 48April 18, 2021 9:31 PM

Hey kids, I think we may go on to finish the Prinz thread and then come back here

by Anonymousreply 49April 18, 2021 10:06 PM

The way Lucille looked lovingly at Jennifer while Jennifer played that piano was lesbianism at its best.

by Anonymousreply 50April 18, 2021 11:51 PM

"I have the tapes, Alan!! From Moreno!!!!!"

by Anonymousreply 51April 19, 2021 3:05 AM

Marland wanted to do a lesbians behind bars storyline with Holly Thorpe and Jennifer Richards. But that got nixed by Potter. Geri Court and Mo Garrett really fought for that storyline. Alas.

by Anonymousreply 52April 19, 2021 10:23 AM

“Dr. Girard is in Geneva, Alan!. Now get down on your knees and lick my clit.”

by Anonymousreply 53April 19, 2021 5:39 PM

Geri licked Anna Banana’s clit, for sure! Yum yum yum!

by Anonymousreply 54April 19, 2021 7:26 PM

NOW the Prinz thread is M'd.

by Anonymousreply 55April 19, 2021 8:25 PM

Serial Monticello is a mental case. Geraldine Saxon is disgusted with him.

by Anonymousreply 56April 19, 2021 9:09 PM

[quote] Dr. Girard is in Geneva, Alan!. Now get down on your knees and lick my clit.

Sorry, I'm busy sniffing Ben McFarren's tighty whities.

by Anonymousreply 57April 19, 2021 9:40 PM

What time does TGL come on today?

by Anonymousreply 58April 19, 2021 10:04 PM

meow meow

by Anonymousreply 59April 19, 2021 10:33 PM

Vee, who’s in the biz, put the entire industry on hold when he felt ill after his covid vaccine. The entire biz came to a halt. The poor dear.

by Anonymousreply 60April 19, 2021 10:40 PM

Dumb Dylan disappeared himself again because he said today’s soaps have three times as many online viewers as TV viewers. Idiot

by Anonymousreply 61April 19, 2021 10:43 PM

Did Vetsoapfan watch TGL today?

by Anonymousreply 62April 19, 2021 10:46 PM

As always, we wholeheartedly recommend that anyone who wants to know the status and/or activities of members of other soap boards should go to - here's a novel idea - THAT soap board. Where those people ARE. Because none of them are HERE. And none of us remotely care, not even a tiny little bit, not even on Tuesdays.

Join us tomorrow when we explore other seemingly obvious conclusions, including "Water: Is It Wet?"

by Anonymousreply 63April 20, 2021 5:49 PM

Just block the troll, R63, your life will improve immeasurably.

by Anonymousreply 64April 20, 2021 5:53 PM

R63 just ignore and/or FF him. Don’t give him any attention. Unfortunately, he takes up half of every P&G thread. There is no changing it or reasoning with it, just blocking it.

by Anonymousreply 65April 20, 2021 5:54 PM

I did, R64, but I do like to poke the bear a little bit from time to time. Although I really shouldn't be mean to people who are truly, deeply mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 66April 20, 2021 6:03 PM

Vee, who’s in the biz, does read these threads. He sees and knows everything!

by Anonymousreply 67April 20, 2021 6:07 PM

Mary!

by Anonymousreply 68April 20, 2021 7:57 PM

Does SON Idiot Dylan have the May Sweeps scoop for TGL?

by Anonymousreply 69April 21, 2021 1:32 AM

Dumb Dylan thinks that Passions will be rebooted because young people liked the show. Moron. TGL has a better chance of being rebooted once Vee gives permission.

by Anonymousreply 70April 21, 2021 7:30 AM

Very cool!

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by Anonymousreply 71April 21, 2021 3:21 PM

Charita Bauer Last TV Interview - September 1984

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by Anonymousreply 72April 21, 2021 5:52 PM

They showed Bert without her leg!!!! Was it stuck in Henry Chamberlin’s ass?

by Anonymousreply 73April 22, 2021 10:33 AM

Can somebody ask moron Dylan where the TGL sweeps (every month) spoilers are?!?

by Anonymousreply 74April 22, 2021 11:38 AM

Vetsoapqueen’s favorite letters are TGL TGL TGL TGL TGL TGL TGL.

by Anonymousreply 75April 22, 2021 12:56 PM

R72 I am pleased.

by Anonymousreply 76April 22, 2021 1:07 PM

Dumb Dylan is now negotiating the budgets for Days. If only he could have saved TGL!

by Anonymousreply 77April 22, 2021 2:25 PM

anyway.....

by Anonymousreply 78April 22, 2021 2:27 PM

Vee, who’s in the biz, and Dumb Dylan are saving daytime!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 79April 22, 2021 2:30 PM

I love the name Lucille Wexler. It just conveys evil, like the name Lilith McKechnie .

by Anonymousreply 80April 22, 2021 4:49 PM

Ooh R80! There's a bitch I haven't heard about in ages.....Lilith!

by Anonymousreply 81April 22, 2021 10:08 PM

Okay, which one of you bitches signed the Deadline comments for this post as "Ada Hobson's Dishtowel"??!??

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by Anonymousreply 82April 23, 2021 12:31 AM

That bitch kept me employed for years.

I finally got a roll of paper towels to be my stand in during dry block.

by Anonymousreply 83April 23, 2021 5:04 AM

Someone named "Rob" had this to say in the comments:

"I LOVE your user name you chose. I just about spit out my coffee when I saw it. I’m currently watching another world from 1980. Rachel has just been arrested."

by Anonymousreply 84April 23, 2021 2:56 PM

It was Vee.

by Anonymousreply 85April 24, 2021 1:44 AM

damn Janice Frame

by Anonymousreply 86April 24, 2021 1:58 AM

Eldergays, how did you feel about Janice Frame's reinvention as outright evil? I'm sure Lemay wouldn't have approved, but the storyline and Christine Jones' performance seem to be fondly remembered.

by Anonymousreply 87April 24, 2021 2:18 AM

Harding Lemay brought Janice back before he left. Did he write the projection/outline for Janice’s poisoning of Mac?

by Anonymousreply 88April 24, 2021 3:18 AM

The Harry Must Die plot where Janice poisoned Mac was not the type of story that Harding Lemay liked to write.

That plot didn't get underway until fall 1979 with the arrival of Mitch Blake. Mac and Janice didn't marry until Oct. 1979.

Lemay's final scripts aired in early May 1979. While his story projections likely went for a while, there was plenty of time for Tom King (the subsequent HW) to come up with the Harry Must Die plot on his own.

by Anonymousreply 89April 24, 2021 8:26 AM

I would assume that someone, either NBC or PG, decided that AW had to inject some some old school soap plots and plotting into the mix. And because the Sven story hit big with Mac and Rachel being in jeopardy, someone came up with Harry Must Die. It was actually a good story. What came after it, not so much.

by Anonymousreply 90April 24, 2021 12:38 PM

The Harry Must Die story led to the casting of Matt Crane as Matthew Cory.

He was such a twink in his early days; one summer, he was out by the Cory poll in a black Speedo and looked so comfortable in his body

by Anonymousreply 91April 24, 2021 5:18 PM

Matt Crane in his prime was a goddamn work of art. (And proof that P&G soaps could have sexy young guys with the best of them.)

by Anonymousreply 92April 24, 2021 5:20 PM

[quote] He was such a twink in his early days; one summer, he was out by the Cory poll in a black Speedo and looked so comfortable in his body by Jennifer Richards reply 91

[quote] Matt Crane in his prime was a goddamn work of art. (And proof that P&G soaps could have sexy young guys with the best of them.)

video below of Matt Crane in nothing but his black Speedo (in the Gabrielle Carteris video)

BTW Crane was heavily in demand to do the mall tours for screaming fans - he could have made a mint, but he opted not to

Crane is a very serious visual artist and he felt these mall appearances were about one thing - money. And he has never been about doing things just for the money

His mother is a visual artist, so that is where Crane gets his art genes and his seriousness as an artist

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by Anonymousreply 93April 24, 2021 5:25 PM

Shut up Serial mental case!

by Anonymousreply 94April 24, 2021 5:28 PM

Matt Crane looked like a hot gay porn star. Kept me watching AW, even in his unfortunate ponytail phase. Is he still married to Robin Christopher?

by Anonymousreply 95April 24, 2021 5:31 PM

[quote] Matt Crane looked like a hot gay porn star. Kept me watching AW, even in his unfortunate ponytail phase

You should have seen his hot love scenes with Anna Stuart during that pony-tail phase. During those scenes he let his golden locks flow out of the ponytail

by Anonymousreply 96April 24, 2021 5:33 PM

What happened with Genie Francis on AMC? People on Twitter made it sound like there some messy circumstances behind her being let go.

by Anonymousreply 97April 24, 2021 5:50 PM

R97 Genie Francis said she LOVED her time on AMC - and was all set to renew her contract

But ABC wanted her back on General Hospital and decided not to renew her contract, basically forcing her to go back to GH if she wanted to work for ABC again

by Anonymousreply 98April 24, 2021 5:54 PM

That was so cunty of ABC to force Genie to go back to GH. But no surprise since Mickey Dwyer Dobbin was head of ABC Daytime. She later fired Zas when she moved over to P&G. Has MADD become a wizened old woman by now?

by Anonymousreply 99April 24, 2021 6:27 PM

and I think she has just bought a new condo in NY; she probably wasn't in a bind financially, but still a shitty thing to do.

Then, again, someone at ABC tells her um don't buy that condo before they have to contractually let her know is something against the rules.

As for the mall tour, sure, it's about money, but it's also about fans getting to meet their favorite stars, grab an autograph, a photo, look them right in the eye and say "I love that scene with you and Mac where you said he'll always be your dad" (for example).

Grab the money when you can.

by Anonymousreply 100April 24, 2021 7:06 PM

geez that hairless cute bod; who the eff would be watching Cartieris in that clip over cutie Crane

by Anonymousreply 101April 24, 2021 7:08 PM

Two-part question: When was Genie's last day on AMC and was she ever officially a LOVING cast member? I ask because if the timeline's right, she would have been between gigs for at least a year. Luke & Laura didn't return to GH until late October 1993. Which brings up new questions: Was GH having to negotiate that long with Geary to get him to bring back Luke? Was he contractually obligated to play Bill Eckert as long as he did? Was Genie getting any payment while she waited?

by Anonymousreply 102April 24, 2021 7:44 PM

WIth all due respect to Genie and her legend status, the lady never seems happy. I think she is another one of those daytime actors who is constantly pissed off because because they thought daytime was a stepping stone but they ended up being stuck there. To bring this back to P&G, Kim Zimmer was probably pissed about being stuck in daytime, but she played the hand that was dealt and only griped about things that mattered.

by Anonymousreply 103April 24, 2021 7:52 PM

I'd have paid good money to see Kim or Lady-Eyes-A-Buggin do a mall tour.

by Anonymousreply 104April 24, 2021 8:00 PM

This interview with Genie gives insight into why she feels the way she does r103.

Seems like she was treated as a commodity-she would get cast on a show for her name value, but the characters weren’t fleshed out.

There are great interviews on this site with multiple P&G folks too...

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by Anonymousreply 105April 24, 2021 8:08 PM

R103, you have valid points, but Zimmer was a full adult when she took off as Reva, winning three Daytime Emmys.

She came out to LA, did that dynamite Designing Women episode, which I believed they submitted for their Best Show that year at the Emmys.

HOW could the Bloodworth Thomasons not have found something for her?

Genie was 16 when GH started to take off and 17 or 18 when the show was a mega-hit -- it was the stories Doug Marland wrote, but Laura was the central figure of the show.

One of my favorite SNL cast members is Dana Carvey, but the man never found the popularity outside of SNL that he had on it. Some actors shine in genres that don't pay the big bucks that others do, but they can't carry that popularity over to other genres.

I hope Genie's happy now. Or happier. Geary got all the accolades, but he wasn't acting in a vacuum. I can't find it but Laura breaking down and confessing the whole David Hamilton mess to Luke at Wyndham's was heartbreaking. She should have won an Emmy for that alone. Maybe if the ingenue category had been around, but Genie was Lead all the way.

I was watching some old Joan Rivers interviews and she talked about the importance of appreciating when times are good. I'm hoping that times are good now for Genie. She's free of Geary and whatever negativity went down between them. Hopefully, she enjoys working with Lindstrom. The show brought Denise back for a few episodes in the last few months. I'm sure she enjoyed that, too.

I'm sure they all look at Julianne Moore -- she did her three years on soaps, had two major stories (Doug Cummings; Sabrina), won her Daytime Emmy and plugged away at films from the Hand that Rocks the Cradle to her Oscar winning Still Alice.

I'm sure they all think: why can't I transfer from soaps to Oscar stardom?

This business is such a crapshoot. I'd call Sasha Calle and Kiara Barnes two of the less exciting actresses who've come down the pike but they're about to exit soaps for, respectively, film and prime time land.

by Anonymousreply 106April 24, 2021 8:09 PM

[quote] Two-part question: When was Genie's last day on AMC and was she ever officially a LOVING cast member? I ask because if the timeline's right, she would have been between gigs for at least a year.

No, Genie was never official a Loving cast member - she and Jean LeClerc crossed over to Loving to boost the ratings. She returned to AMC and her last day was sometime in July 1992

The reason for the one-year lag is she was pissed off at being fired from AMC. All so ABC could force her to go back to GH. So she resisted overtures. Finally after a year, she agreed to go back to GH, as her return was announced in May of 1993 - almost a year since she last worked on AMC

But Genie wouldn't start appearing on GH until November 1993 (for sweeps)

BUT If she went directly to from AMC to GH, TPTB would have switched Geary from Bill Eckert to Luke Spencer in a heartbeat

by Anonymousreply 107April 24, 2021 8:09 PM

[quote] HOW could the Bloodworth Thomasons not have found something for her?

Zimmer says it was network that didn't want her (despite GL being on CBS) Bloodworth Thomasons really lobbied for her.

by Anonymousreply 108April 24, 2021 8:10 PM

R108 Could it have been because CBS wanted her to remain on GL? The DW episode was 1989 and she left GL in 1990.

by Anonymousreply 109April 24, 2021 8:15 PM

I'm sure the network wanted Zimmer back on GL.

by Anonymousreply 110April 24, 2021 8:16 PM

She's too busy poisoning the tea

by Anonymousreply 111April 24, 2021 8:17 PM

R106 Kiara Barnes will be back. She’s been cast in a Fantasy Island reboot! I give it four episodes.

by Anonymousreply 112April 24, 2021 8:17 PM

[quote] Could it have been because CBS wanted her to remain on GL?

That is what Zimmer thinks - before she went to Santa Barbara (the soap) her agents did alert CBS, and they did have interest. They let Jill Farren Phelps make the final decisis, and JFP said no

When ZImmer started to get overtures from other soaps in 1995, CBS caught wind and laid down the law to JFP - find room for Zimmer. They wanted her back

by Anonymousreply 113April 24, 2021 8:18 PM

In hindsight, it's a pity Danny Markel didn't hang around as Sam Fowler. Is there a story there, or why Thomas Gibson was only a temp after RKK left?

by Anonymousreply 114April 24, 2021 8:24 PM

[quote] . Is there a story there, or why Thomas Gibson was only a temp after RKK left?

Thomas Gibson was not interested continuing to work on Soaps - he just did ATWT and only did AW as a favor to the P&G folks. It was only help usher the character of Sam Fowler off the canvas

They had actually offered Sam Fowler to Jon Hensley, and he thought about it. But then thought, if I want to go back to soaps, why not go back to ATWT (which he did opposite a recast Lily)

No idea why Daniel Markel was short-lived in that role.

by Anonymousreply 115April 24, 2021 8:29 PM

[quote]she would get cast on a show for her name value

She was a big deal and of course she got cast because she was "Laura" that's just the way the entertainment industry works. But I think most soap writers will tell you that they have an idea and a story for a character and the character gets on screen and everything changes based on chemistry and the way the actor interacts with the entire canvas.

I, too, hope that she's happy now and has made peace with the past.

by Anonymousreply 116April 24, 2021 8:47 PM

R113 "find room for Zimmer" = hand the whole show over to the air time hog. And all in good time, that's exactly what happened.

by Anonymousreply 117April 24, 2021 8:55 PM

R117 Kim Zimmer doesn't write the show. What is she suppose to say? No, I won't act out these scripts?

AND if the cast didn't seem to have a problem with it, why should you care?

by Anonymousreply 118April 24, 2021 8:58 PM

[quote]It's a pity Danny Markel didn't hang around as Sam Fowler. Is there a story there?

[quote]No idea why Daniel Markel was short-lived in that role.

I read that he'd leaked spoilers to one of the rags. His time at AW (1990-91) doesn't correspond to Mimi's era of greatest damage (later in the '90s), however, so I don't know how true that is. I probably read this on AOL or rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs (or misc). Maybe a Donna Shallotpeel exclusive.

I wish they'd kept him on at AW. I liked him so much more than RKK, and the person who followed him, well, let's not bother talking about him. I always wondered why they never got him looking at good on World Turns as he looked on AW.

by Anonymousreply 119April 24, 2021 8:59 PM

[quote] Maybe a Donna Shallotpeel exclusive.

Oh christ, I haven't heard that name in ages

by Anonymousreply 120April 24, 2021 10:30 PM

I saw Dana “Hold the Toast” Carpender commenting on slate recently.

by Anonymousreply 121April 24, 2021 10:33 PM

[quote] Zimmer says it was network that didn't want her (despite GL being on CBS) Bloodworth Thomasons really lobbied for her.

I really think that she was just trumped by Henner being a bigger name. She certainly would have been a better fit in the role. I'm surprised the Thomasons never found another spot for her in anything, so I wonder if Kim handled being not cast in Evening Shade with her, um, usual tact and diplomacy.

by Anonymousreply 122April 24, 2021 10:33 PM

R122 I thought it would've made sense to have brought back Zimmer's character to take over Charlene's place when she left DW. Though Jan Hooks' Carlene was enjoyable.

by Anonymousreply 123April 24, 2021 10:37 PM

Kim could have played BJ Poteet.

by Anonymousreply 124April 24, 2021 10:40 PM

Kim Zimmer DID NOT audition to play Marilu Henner part in Evening Shade

She audition to play the part of Hal Holbrook love interest Fontana Beausoleil. Who was the town's dimwitted stripper.

The network didn't want her for the part and Linda Gehringer wound up getting the part

by Anonymousreply 125April 25, 2021 12:04 AM

R112, they need to cut their losses or find a dynamite recast.

This girl is mopey and boring. They handed her the same 'I love two people at the same time' story they gave KKL 30+ years ago.

I want to give Lang an EMMY for pulling that off in hindsight.

This poor girl now is low key and depressed.

by Anonymousreply 126April 25, 2021 12:04 AM

Comments about B&B should go to the relevant thread.....

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by Anonymousreply 127April 25, 2021 12:11 AM

That's interesting, R125. It takes me the point I made around the start of the thread, that Kim could/should have played Beth Broderick's role on HEARTS AFIRE.

by Anonymousreply 128April 25, 2021 2:14 AM

RE: GL being the Reva show.

I have vague memories of the Dobson era as a youngster, loved the Marland era, stood by the show through the new few eras (Pat Falken Smith was at the helm when a house smashed into Bea Reardon's house and Company was born), fell in love with the Long and Ryder era; survived that awful year known as 1986 (and early 1987); rejoiced when Long came back in 1987 and stayed until early 1991; hung around for the rest...

anywho....

I recall in the Long era: The Four Muskateers and how each of them were paired off with others with in a few years -- Mindy/Kurt, Rick/Roxie, Beth/Lujack, Phillip/India...the unlikely romance of BIlly and Vanessa; Alexandra coming to town and making mincemeat out of Alan and then his return and then Phillip taking Alan down in 1988 and him ending up drunk on the country club floor still not happy. The magnificent Michelle Forbes as Sonni/Solita and later her all too brief paring with Zaslow.

Ed and Moe surviving his flings with Claire and Holly; Fletcher and Maeve's romance....Fletcher and CLAIRE! Barbados! The powder room showdowns with Alex and India; Warren.

ALL of the above made GL rich and memorable; if the show had all that going on, how was it also the Reva show?

It wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 129April 25, 2021 3:32 AM

In all honesty name a show where one or two characters or couples didn't dominate the show for a certain of period of time? It's true that some, like Reva, had more staying power than others... but I can't really think of a show that was a true ensemble... maybe The Doctors. Please share other examples.

by Anonymousreply 130April 25, 2021 3:46 AM

I know this thread is about P&G soaps, but since Genie was brought up: I liked her a lot on AMC. She would have been more popular on AMC if she hadn’t been saddled with boring Jeremy and David. (David Rampal, played by hot Trent Bushey—WHET???—not David Hayward). Even though Ceara was somehow Myrtle’s niece, she was never mentioned again after she left, IIRC, not even at Myrt’s funeral.

Now, back to Midwestern towns.

by Anonymousreply 131April 25, 2021 5:27 AM

criminal that Ceara wasn't mentioned again like when Myrt died

What I love about GH is that characters off the canvas still have value and are referred to and pop up as story dictates, e.g. Shawn (Sean?) Butler coming back onto GH

Carlivati had a line in an episode where Monica comes home and tells someone that she was playing bridge with Gail, Lesley and Audrey.

We were never going to see that scene as Susan Brown and Rachel may have stopped working at that point, but just knowing those four favorites were together playing cards, dishing and having lunch made me feel good.

by Anonymousreply 132April 25, 2021 7:29 AM

[quote]No idea why Daniel Markel was short-lived in that role.

I assume because he was completely wrong for the role. Ada's dish towel had more chemistry with Sandra Ferguson than Markel did. Unfortunately, his successor, Brian Lane Green, was even worse.

by Anonymousreply 133April 25, 2021 12:17 PM

[quote]Ada's dish towel had more chemistry with Sandra Ferguson than Markel did.

He wasn't supposed to have chemistry with her. His Sam was all about Olivia. I forget the actress' name, but they had chemistry that was off the charts. Do you not recall the Santa Claus/shower scene? It's one of the very few reasons I wish I'd held onto a VCR and the tape it was on.

by Anonymousreply 134April 25, 2021 1:48 PM

I think he was such a sudden recast and someone either at P&G or NBC never accepted or liked him.

by Anonymousreply 135April 25, 2021 4:17 PM

R129 You make a valid point

BUT

There was a lot of that time frame where Reva's story played 3 or 4 days a week. When Vanessa was maybe on 1 day a week at the time. That's where the imbalance was felt.

And as I've said before it wasn't just Reva/Kim. Phillip was one of a handful of characters Pam played at the expense of others. Josh and Rick.

by Anonymousreply 136April 25, 2021 4:20 PM

I think you're may be ignoring how much fan response plays into who is played 3 or 4 times a week versus 1 time a week. I'm not saying that Vanessa wasn't a popular character, but she was nowhere near Reva. Same with the Phillip character. If Grant is getting 4 or 5 bags of mail a week, you make sure he is heavy in story.

by Anonymousreply 137April 25, 2021 4:41 PM

I think most of the 'imbalance' complaints come from Zimmer's stint starting 1995 and on. After about 1997/1998 when the clone was conceived of (no pun intended) it was like all bets were off. If you weren't in Reva's primary story or one of her satellite stories you were in no man's land. They were juggling an entire show's cast in the 10 minutes left over by non-Reva-centric plots.

And other stories/characters DID get fan mail, sometimes out of all proportion to their air time, because people wanted to see more of them (Maeve/Vanessa was one specifically).

by Anonymousreply 138April 25, 2021 5:09 PM

I'd love to know what the fan mail situation was during Martha Byrne's heyday as Lily. Were there fraus and fraus-in-training who were just hanging on her every move a la the good people of Marland-era Oakdale, or was her popularity largely limited to the writer(s)?

by Anonymousreply 139April 25, 2021 5:52 PM

At a certain I think shows like GL just said fuck it and just wrote what they wanted to write. For example, have you ever heard anybody say 'I loved Buzz'? Constant complaints there too about the over exposure of the character, the air time, the actor's performance (spitting, arms flailing) and the sacrificing of other characters to make room for his.

And yet if you watch any of the Locher Rooms with the writers, they practically get a hard on thinking about him. Their faces light up.

I think writers loved these clean slate (Buzz) and outlandish (Reva) characters that they could do anything with.

by Anonymousreply 140April 25, 2021 6:23 PM

R139 When I first switched to ATWT from OLTL in 1998, the first thing I saw was Lily and Diago's wedding. It hooked me. I didn't mind the focus on Lily, but that was primarily because more Lily meant more Lucinda and I absolutely loved her. I switched from OLTL because it was when TPTB decided to let Dorian go, Lucinda was my replacement because she was older, fun, strong, and morally gray.

by Anonymousreply 141April 25, 2021 6:26 PM

R141 so many of the suits thought all any younger fan wanted to see was young characters.

I remember one of the soap academics doing a survey of like 100 college age soap watchers - some existing, others introduced to the show through a class - and for ATWT the characters they liked best were Lucinda and Margo.

It doesn't mean we need the whole show to be 80 year olds, but they always took away the more complex characters for vapid bags of hair who could barely burp out a line of dialogue.

by Anonymousreply 142April 25, 2021 6:34 PM

A focus group lead to JFP killing Maureen. They were spot on! Maureen was so boring. And that distracting mole on her head needed to be shot.

by Anonymousreply 143April 25, 2021 6:37 PM

R142 That was always my position, my favorite characters were always the older ones. It is one reason why, I eventually went back to OLTL and stayed loyal to the end, Vikki and Dorian(among others) were still major characters driving stories until the end.

by Anonymousreply 144April 25, 2021 6:39 PM

I was sort of in and out of the show during Rauch's run, but how did Maeve Kinkead respond to Rauch running the show, given their complicated history? Didn't she leave either shortly before he took over or shortly afterwards and then came back.

by Anonymousreply 145April 25, 2021 6:42 PM

Maeve was on her leave of absence when Rauch took over GL. Many thought she wouldn't return, but alas, Rauch had proclaimed himself a new man, was now married to a respectable woman, and his womanizer days were supposedly behind him. I think Maeve felt that way as well, and she returned in 1997 as promised.

I think his perverted habits returned ultimately, not by sexually harassing people behind the scenes (that I know of), but in his storytelling (if we can call it that). The lurid, trashy crap he'd been known for in previous runs was back - stripper stories, loud, trashy colors on the women who all had their tits hanging out, formulaic triangles all over the place, and so forth.

Maeve in particular got 'you're old' dialogue and Vanessa contemplated plastic surgery. It was interesting to watch and one couldn't help but wonder if it was intentional, given his history with Maeve.

by Anonymousreply 146April 25, 2021 6:55 PM

In terms of Maeve she denied there was any bad blood between her and Rauch. In terms of Maeve being on less, while Kim Zimmer was on, Maeve didn't seem to have a problem with it.

She actually wanted to work LESS not more.

by Anonymousreply 147April 25, 2021 7:05 PM

[quote] He wasn't supposed to have chemistry with her (Amanda). His Sam was all about Olivia.

That was the problem = he was suppose to have chemistry with Amanda. She was one of the shows leading lady and Olivia was supporting.

You could change the story by making Sam & Olivia the new super-couple, but TPTB wanted a Sam/Amanda super-couple

If Danny Markel wasn't clicking with one of the leading lady of the show, then you have to recast., Unfortunately their recast of Markel was even worse, so they just gave up.

by Anonymousreply 148April 25, 2021 7:09 PM

Come to think of it, there were an awful lot of blondes (albeit idiosyncratic ones) in that era of AW: Vicky, Marley, Paulina, Amanda, Olivia, Iris, even a supporting player like Caroline Stafford.

by Anonymousreply 149April 25, 2021 7:16 PM

Ya gotta love how everyone knows everything that happened behind the scenes. Come on soap fans. Do better!

by Anonymousreply 150April 25, 2021 7:16 PM

[quote] Vicky, Marley, Paulina, Amanda, Olivia, Iris, even a supporting player like Caroline Stafford.

Why do you think they did the storyline "which blond shot Jake McKinnon?"

by Anonymousreply 151April 25, 2021 7:24 PM

And the fifth suspect, Original Recipe Donna. (Also, I forgot Josie and Sharlene. And Matthew, I guess.)

by Anonymousreply 152April 25, 2021 7:29 PM

I know the second time Maeve left it was because she didn't want to color her hair any longer. She was having issues with the chemicals. Perhaps a wise worry on her part since she battled cancer not long after that.

She won that battle eventually. When she came back in 2002 during Millee Taggart's time as HW she was gray by then.

by Anonymousreply 153April 25, 2021 8:48 PM

How do people forget Pam Long saw HERSELF as Reva and that is why Reva ATE the show. In fairness, Beth Raines (Judi) ate the show, and it was even more preposterous, before Reva did. Reva only took over when Judi Evans left.

by Anonymousreply 154April 25, 2021 10:48 PM

Pam Long had more failures than success. Texas, Search, Santa Barbara all went off the air under her watch.

by Anonymousreply 155April 25, 2021 11:04 PM

Dumb Dylan has the scoop and Vee is in the biz! The scoop and the biz! The scoop! The biz!

TGL 4 life!

by Anonymousreply 156April 26, 2021 1:04 AM

We all have our favorites.

Reva wanted to be a Lewis more than anything; I loved how Kim played the part. She made me believe that Reva loved HB. He accepted her for who she was meant everything to her.

Grant, like Philip, is a GUY. He brought an intensity to Phillip each and every time.

He always made the smart choice, a different choice. I swore I saw him mouth 'effing bitch' when he found out blind Beth was India's maid of honor at their blackmail marriage. Perfect as Beth couldn't see.

In the show's final months, he learns about Olivia and Natalia...and instead of shock or disgust or anything predictable you can see "possibilities flash across his face.

by Anonymousreply 157April 26, 2021 1:52 AM

I’d love to know who Pam Long had first envisioned as Reva. It wasn’t Zimmer.

by Anonymousreply 158April 26, 2021 2:04 AM

Carla Borelli R158. But CBS said no more Texas actors.

by Anonymousreply 159April 26, 2021 2:07 AM

I believe Reva was supposed to be a red head, initially

That's too bad re: Carla. I liked her. She and Donald May fell in love for real.

Texas was sooooo good at the end. Just like a lot of axed soaps.

by Anonymousreply 160April 26, 2021 2:14 AM

Yes, Pam may not have saved Texas from cancellation, but the last six months was the best the show had ever been — by a large margin.

by Anonymousreply 161April 26, 2021 2:18 AM

She did an interview with one of the soap mags back in 2009 when the show went off the air; while it was mostly a photo-driven feature, the captions contained quotes of hers, commenting on the actors and certain storylines.

by Anonymousreply 162April 26, 2021 2:20 AM

When Jordan Clarke left (Billy) they should have cast Jerry Lanning (Justin, Texas) to replace him.

by Anonymousreply 163April 26, 2021 2:22 AM

R163 he was, as you probably know, Pam's original choice for Billy.

Bur he'd been cast on GL as Cain (the crazy guy that helped save Reva on the bridge) so I guess they didn't want to bring him back.

by Anonymousreply 164April 26, 2021 2:34 AM

I loathe when execs and writers bring talent from another show, especially a failed show to another soap.

I was fully prepared to loathe all these Texas transplants.

I did not.

I loved Long's GL.

The only thing I would have changed was keeping Hope and Amanda; also, bringing Rita back at some point would have been great.

Plus, I would think that Elizabeth Spaulding (Phillip's adoptive mother) would have come on for weddings and such. His 1990 funeral.

by Anonymousreply 165April 26, 2021 3:11 AM

Funny about TEXAS being better before it went away. AMC had been so terrible for so long, but really got good again before the end. Other than all the airtime given to horrible Stephanie Gatschet. Was she popular on GL? I hated her on AMC.

by Anonymousreply 166April 26, 2021 3:21 AM

R166 It is the curse of a cancelled soap, almost all of them get better after they are cancelled but before they end.

by Anonymousreply 167April 26, 2021 3:32 AM

Cancelled shows usually getting better in the final days because the network and the production company stop giving notes and just let the show do it's thing until it's over.

by Anonymousreply 168April 26, 2021 3:35 AM

Thinking about Pam Long and soap hoppers makes me realize that, like, 90 percent of the final cast of SANTA BARBARA had either seen better days with a previous soap role (Kim, Eileen Davidson, Jack Wagner, Gordon Thompson (in nighttime), Krista Tesreau, Nina Arvesen, Michael Brainerd, Charles Grant, Thaao Penghlis, etc.), were veterans perhaps reaching their peak with the show (Jed Allan, Judith McConnell, Nicholas Coster, possibly Robin Mattson) and/or would continue on in the soap world for years and/or decades to come (Kim, Eileen, Robin, Jack (in nighttime), Nancy Lee Grahn, Sydney Penny).

by Anonymousreply 169April 26, 2021 3:41 AM

Can someone explain the Billy Lewis love to me? Fat, drunk fuck who lied like he breathed and got away with murder constantly (except that time he didn't). I didn't find him charming, humorous, or rootable, even in his younger years. With the Lewis clan in general it's like they took every bad southern stereotype and amplified it to offensive amounts.

by Anonymousreply 170April 26, 2021 2:45 PM

I was not watching soaps in time to see Rita Lloyd as Lucille Wexler, but I thoroughly enjoyed the days she was on ATWT as Evan and Connor Walsh's mother, a.

by Anonymousreply 171April 26, 2021 3:37 PM

R170 Perfect characters are not interesting to most of us.

Billy was definitely a fuck up. And for that matter so was his portrayer.

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by Anonymousreply 172April 26, 2021 4:56 PM

Rita Lloyd was an amazing actress. I wish she had found another role that would have suited her besides Lucille and a.

Maybe a recast Helena Cassadine?

by Anonymousreply 173April 26, 2021 5:00 PM

Jordan Clarke drove drunk alot. Often. Got busted.

by Anonymousreply 174April 26, 2021 5:11 PM

ha!!

by Anonymousreply 175April 26, 2021 5:21 PM

[quote] I loathe when execs and writers bring talent from another show, especially a failed show to another soap.

It was really strange when ATWT got 4 actors, a head writer, the executive producer, and the studio of the canceled Another World in 1999. Fans were pissed. Why would we want our show to be more like the show that just got canceled?

by Anonymousreply 176April 26, 2021 6:11 PM

meow

by Anonymousreply 177April 26, 2021 6:25 PM

Vee ordered ATWT to take on the AW stars and move to JC Studios. He is in the biz, you know. He is also the expert of everything, especially COVID-19 vaccine symptoms and politics.

by Anonymousreply 178April 26, 2021 6:34 PM

woof

by Anonymousreply 179April 26, 2021 6:37 PM

[quote]It was really strange when ATWT got 4 actors, a head writer, the executive producer, and the studio of the canceled Another World in 1999. Fans were pissed. Why would we want our show to be more like the show that just got canceled?

Here is my guess, Tom Eplin may have just signed a new pay or play contract. Or it was about Q ratings. The writer, I can't explain. The EP, was probably about budgeting.

by Anonymousreply 180April 26, 2021 6:40 PM

Only Vee knows. He’s in the biz, you know.

by Anonymousreply 181April 26, 2021 6:43 PM

I recall reading somewhere that Tom Eplin had just signed a pay to play contract with AW, and that’s why he was brought to ATWT. Jensen didn’t have the same issue which is why they killed Vicky off.

When Eplin’s contract expired they killed off Jake on ATWT.

by Anonymousreply 182April 26, 2021 7:14 PM

can someone explain pay to play? I'm not Vee and I'm not in the business

by Anonymousreply 183April 26, 2021 7:36 PM

See below R183

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by Anonymousreply 184April 26, 2021 7:49 PM

In other words R183, if that claim is true, P&G was going to have to pay Eplin whether he was on screen or sitting at home farting in his bathrobe. They chose to use him at ATWT.

by Anonymousreply 185April 26, 2021 8:13 PM

Dumb Dylan said it was because the AW stars were going to punch up the ratings for Summer Sweeps over theyre on AWTW!

by Anonymousreply 186April 26, 2021 8:24 PM

Dumbass Dylan is making sure that the AMC reboot happens. Their, I said it.

by Anonymousreply 187April 26, 2021 10:18 PM

A real kick in the cunt if you ask me.

by Anonymousreply 188April 27, 2021 12:48 AM

Okay, throwing it out there -- what if Tom Elpin/Jake went to GL instead?

by Anonymousreply 189April 27, 2021 1:29 AM

I wasn't upset over ATWT bringing some AW actors over because it brought everything full circle. Another World, as evidenced by the title, was created to be a spin-off/companion of As The World Turns, but CBS didn't have space on the schedule. That is one reason I always thought it was horrible that they ended up airing opposite one another. But, they could have sent the characters to Guiding Light, because it was established early on that GL, AW, and ATWT all exist in the same universe, Mitchell Dru from ATWT was one of the early characters on AW, and Mike and Hope Bauer spent a year on AW in 1966.

Through Mitchell Dru, that also makes AW, ATWT, and GL, part of the same universe as The Brighter Day.

I enjoy characters crossing over, just as I enjoyed OLTL characters moving to GH. To me, while the shows are cancelled, the characters aren't. We might not get to see what is happening in Springfield, Oakdale, Bay City, Llanview, Pine Valley, etc... everyday, but to me they are still there having adventures we just aren't getting to share in them.

by Anonymousreply 190April 27, 2021 2:02 AM

I wish Vicky could have stayed in Oakdale, r190. Then Steven and Luke could have been boyfriends. We kind of got that on Animal Kingdom, with Deran and Adrian, but I would have preferred Steven and Van Hansis' Luke.

by Anonymousreply 191April 27, 2021 2:06 AM

Jensen would have drank me under the table.

by Anonymousreply 192April 27, 2021 2:54 AM

CBS was trying to counter program against Passions by trying to grab some of the angry AW fans. The other networks, for whatever reason, seemed terrified of Passions. The AW4 just seemed out of place on ATWT. But to be honest I was sort annoyed with Jake by that point in the first place, because they sort of ruined his character to make him the hero of Bay City. They just white-washed every interesting thing out of the character to turn him into something he wasn't. But then, they also took all the spark out of Carl Hutchins. But I will say that second Evan Frame could get it any time he wanted it.

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by Anonymousreply 193April 27, 2021 3:12 AM

Dumb Dylan wants Passions rebooted. Fucken moron.

by Anonymousreply 194April 27, 2021 3:14 AM

They should have put Cass on contract at ATWT, he could have been a love interest for Lucinda or Barbara.

by Anonymousreply 195April 27, 2021 3:14 AM

GL went to Revaville after Judi left as Beth. Beth was, rightfully, on every day. She was popular. GL’s “Laura” if you will. She was in two hugely popular super couples. Reva took over for a few years, then it was balanced again in 88-93. Then it was Buzz or Reva or Harley all the fucking time.

by Anonymousreply 196April 27, 2021 3:31 AM

I'm surprised they didn't try to pair Reva and Buzz.

by Anonymousreply 197April 27, 2021 3:33 AM

I could have sworn they did pair Reva and Buzz.

by Anonymousreply 198April 27, 2021 3:38 AM

Yes they paired Buzz and Reva. It was while Josh was with Annie before her downward slope to psychoville. Reva and Josh were about to get back together but she didn't want to tear apart Annie and the kids - who had grown to love Annie - so she marries Buzz as a 'I don't love you any more' move against Josh.

by Anonymousreply 199April 27, 2021 3:46 AM

Did we see Reva and Buzz marry onscreen, or did they have to change the script after Deas and Zimmer devoured the church set?

by Anonymousreply 200April 27, 2021 3:52 AM

I think Buzz and Reva married off screen.

by Anonymousreply 201April 27, 2021 1:58 PM

R200 That's why they eventually had to move into the Broadcast Center. Zim and Deas ate the old studio.

by Anonymousreply 202April 27, 2021 2:09 PM

{quote] Zim and Deas ate the old studio.

And here I thought that was good ol' Snaggletooth herself, Miss Laura Wright.

Poor GH fans. They have to tolerate not only Snags but her boyfriend/beard, too.

by Anonymousreply 203April 27, 2021 4:32 PM

I know Reva and Josh, but who was the other half to Reva's other super-couple? The Larkin Malloy character? I didn't watch GL as much as I did ATWT (and for a time, AW).

by Anonymousreply 204April 27, 2021 5:06 PM

R204 Yeah, Reva and Kyle were really the closest Reva ever got to competition for Josh. When Robert Newman left it was as if he hadn't even been there for all the time Kyle was on. Then Robert and Josh returned, and they wanted to do a triangle with Josh/Kyle/Reva and even promoted it a little in the soap press, but apparently before Robert even had his first day back Larkin Malloy ended up leaving the show (and supposedly on not great terms).

But Reva and Kyle were very romantic, very super couple-ish. I can think of no other romantic partner to Reva that even came close. (Certainly wasn't ol' Jeffy O'Neill.)

by Anonymousreply 205April 27, 2021 5:35 PM

R193 Don’t forget that James E. Reilly was considered a genius and a miracle worker at the time for his work on DAYS. He had drastically increase that show’s ratings and made it the water cooler soap of the 90s. I can see why the networks were threatened by Passions before Passions started. Passions definitely hurt JER’s reputation.

by Anonymousreply 206April 27, 2021 5:41 PM

we don't know them

we don't care and won't care, ever

by Anonymousreply 207April 27, 2021 5:43 PM

There never was a funnier, sacrilegious storyline like Princess Diana and Sheridan on Passions. JER aced that one.

by Anonymousreply 208April 27, 2021 6:19 PM

I think Logan once wrote that watching Deas and ZImmer was like watching two rottweilers fighting over a ham sandwich

by Anonymousreply 209April 27, 2021 6:54 PM

I love Justin Deas as Keith on Santa Barbara, but for some reason Buzz just didn't translate to me. But to be honest, I was a fan of the Coopers. And didn't they have to fire a bunch of people just to be able to afford his asking price?

by Anonymousreply 210April 27, 2021 7:07 PM

R170, that's the rumor.

by Anonymousreply 211April 27, 2021 7:11 PM

Since he came up, what was the deal with Larkin Malloy? Was he one of those actors who expected to escape the soap genre and resented not being able to, a nice-enough guy unfortunately treated like a commodity (by P&G and/or ABC), both, neither, or something else entirely?

by Anonymousreply 212April 27, 2021 11:22 PM

[quote] And didn't they have to fire a bunch of people just to be able to afford his asking price?

NO ONE was fired to afford Justin Deas salary

Beverlee McKinsey had left August of 1992 (with a year left on her contract)

Justin Deas joined the show in February 1993

So McKinsey salary went to Justin Deas

by Anonymousreply 213April 27, 2021 11:33 PM

r213

I thought Bev was at the end of her contract when she gave her notice... I didn't know she had a year left! I never thought Marj was a good fit but I guess your first is usually your favorite... Judi was always Beth in my head for example but I did enjoy the 1st 2 Mindys

by Anonymousreply 214April 27, 2021 11:48 PM

[quote] I thought Bev was at the end of her contract when she gave her notice... I didn't know she had a year left!

In her contract she only had to give P&G eight weeks notice if she ever wanted to quit. Just before she left on vacation she noticed her last filming day was only six weeks to her next contract cycle (actors have either 13 or 26 week cycles)

So since GL filmed 2 weeks in advance, her last day was exactly 8 weeks notice.

She had one year left on her contract, and Bev felt life is too short to hang around for another year.

by Anonymousreply 215April 27, 2021 11:53 PM

Would Bev have stayed if Bob Calhoun was still the producer. The way she described her departure, she was annoyed with JFP AND the direction of the character. I think she probably would have at least stayed to the end of her contract-the way she left was a fuck you to Jill Phelps.

by Anonymousreply 216April 28, 2021 12:46 AM

I gave Passions a few chances, but I couldn't get into it because it was so inconsistent in tone. At first I watched hoping it would be like Dark Shadows, but it was too light and comedic, and the Princess Diana story was just a tasteless way to start off the show. To me it seemed like a mashup of the worst of Dark Shadows and Sunset Beach, without the charm of either.

by Anonymousreply 217April 28, 2021 1:04 AM

R216 I don't think it was a personal Fuck You but JFP had definitely changed the Nick/Mindy/Alex story and made Alex more of a villain in it. It was popular so it was often on 4 to 5x a week and Beverlee asked for a break, but Jill said no. So Beverlee was through with it.

She'd pretty much been working nonstop (with only a year off) since 1971, so she was done.

by Anonymousreply 218April 28, 2021 1:47 AM

In hindsight, it's both hilarious and sad that the soap world put so much stock in PASSIONS. The wheels fell off that bike rather quickly and with nothing left, the show went for self-conscious self-parody (which never, ever works).

by Anonymousreply 219April 28, 2021 3:55 AM

If it was a personal FU to Jill maybe because Bev felt Jill was doing a personal FU to her?

I don't it when someone takes charge of their life b/c they're being treated poorly, they're accused of doing an FU.

Jill knows how to produce episodes and tighten budgets and make a splash. But I've never once watched her show and thought: wow, this is great!

Maybe before she gets her hands all over it and dumps a bunch of people and brings in her pals.

by Anonymousreply 220April 28, 2021 4:16 AM

Has there been one soap that Jill Phelps left in better shape than it was when she was hired. She seemed to decimate every soap she produced.

by Anonymousreply 221April 28, 2021 5:02 AM

R221 I'd say no. For some inexplicable reasons some shows under her tended to win awards and have an uptick in viewers, but then the new wore off and they were left worse off. She is like a used car dealer that comes along and paints all the old beat-up cars on the lot, yeah they sell a few more for awhile but then people figure out its the same old crap with new paint and they quit buying. And, before the authorities can catch up to her she leaves town and goes to another town to do the same scam over again.

by Anonymousreply 222April 28, 2021 5:09 AM

If she wanted to be in nighttime so badly, why the hell didn't she just latch onto some show and leave the poor soap world alone?

by Anonymousreply 223April 28, 2021 5:20 AM

r222, Angelica at CBS was sold a bill of goods and let her come on to Y&R.

She paid big bucks to bring over Steve Burton and wedged him into a core family.

She burned down the Newman ranch and the place Nikki and Victor live in now does not befit them.

It's just awful.

by Anonymousreply 224April 28, 2021 5:35 AM

I don't agree about JFP being a bad producer. Making a few unpopular decisions doesn't make one a bad producer. The only job more difficult than head writer in the soap world is that of the EP. You have to be able to balance the writer's vision with what the network and production company wants and the egos of 40 or so actors and a large crew, while staying on or under budget.

JFP gets tagged with a lot of things that some EP's never get called out for. Everyone has favorites they like to work with. Everyone has to make tough cast decisions and sometimes that means getting rid of a fan fave or two to make it work or to just shake up the canvas.

I will never say that Jill is perfect or without her problems, but she gets picked on where others get a free pass over and over. I know that getting rid of Maureen Bauer and Frankie Frame were unpopular choices, but the entire history of soap is littered with unpopular choices. It just happens.

by Anonymousreply 225April 28, 2021 1:14 PM

R222 That's actually a PERFECT description of her work at GL and AW.

Jill has a very specific feeling she brings to her shows. They usually get a specific look to them - darker, grittier - and darker stories. She was able to put a shine on good stories in her first year of GL, but after the writing team and a third of her lead players left, it was clear that the emperor had no clothes.

At the end of the day, Maureen's death was a beautifully told story. The damage wasn't that Maureen died; the damage was that shows believed they no longer needed a stable character, contract or recurring, to be that person to talk to/encouraging tentpole figure. Otherwise, watching other people's problems with no sense that it will ever get better or that someone cares about them just becomes anxiety inducing! (Kinda joking, kinda not)

by Anonymousreply 226April 28, 2021 3:37 PM

I think we've been M'd

by Anonymousreply 227April 28, 2021 9:54 PM

new thread here

(yes the Doctors is not technically P&G but Doctors chat is always welcome here)

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by Anonymousreply 228April 28, 2021 9:59 PM

R226, I agree Maureen's death was a beautifully told story, but when you're juggling all the stuff that EP's do, ask yourself this: you've lost Beverlee, Sheree and Kimberly; do you really want to lose Maureen?

No Reardons at the funeral and no Claire or Hope showing up to help fill the void in Michelle's life; instead, we got Achilles Buzz Cooper and Justin Deas ate more scenery than anyone I'd ever seen in my life.

GL lost so many key players, especially Beverlee; Marj was a lovely woman but she was never Alex. Within in a few years, I felt I was watching Santa Barbara with Marcy (Tangie eesh what a name), Bunny from SB, Christopher Norris, Elena. -- sure some of these were short-term roles, but Springfield had turned into Santa Barbara.

Jill knows how to trim a budget, produce episodes, and rehire her old pals (in fairness the name of the other person who does that in show biz is EVERYONE) , but never once have I ever said oh, good; JFP is on board; yay! Can't wait to watch.

At Y&R, she shoved Dylan on the show, tying him to Nikki and Paul, having him save puppies from burning barns, etc Also, she burned down the Newman ranch, and made the show unwatchable. I'm no Billy Miller fan, but they let him walk b/c his demands were so high and then they hired Justin Hartley who also had high demands...what's the diff?

Oh, and Jill painted Kay's house battleship blue/gray so it could be home to nuBilly Jason Thompson; Jason has to be the most miscast actor on soaps in a while; he's simply not Billy.

by Anonymousreply 229April 29, 2021 8:18 AM

Felicia Minei Behr was a great producer at AMC. How was she at ATWT? I’d quit watching by then.

by Anonymousreply 230April 29, 2021 11:08 AM

My God, just read old Soap Opera Digest(s) from 1979 - Roger was having an affair with Hillary Bauer. Was Marsha Clark playing Hillary then??? I just can't see it.

by Anonymousreply 231April 29, 2021 5:38 PM

Roger got more action than Ray Krebbs did on DALLAS.

by Anonymousreply 232April 29, 2021 7:20 PM

[quote]Felicia Minei Behr was a great producer at AMC. How was she at ATWT?

I loved her.

by Anonymousreply 233April 29, 2021 7:48 PM

R231, I think there was another Hillary Bauer before Marsfa Clark.

by Anonymousreply 234April 29, 2021 8:52 PM

The first Hillary, Linda McCullough

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by Anonymousreply 235April 29, 2021 9:24 PM

Linda McCullough was married to Laurence Lau! Gee, I wonder how THAT worked out for her.

by Anonymousreply 236April 29, 2021 9:26 PM

Linda and her mother got Larry involved in some Ponzi scheme or something. He lost a lot of money, and his agent got him away from them.

by Anonymousreply 237April 30, 2021 11:30 AM
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