Prinz is still at it, bless her heart.
Ungrateful hippie
by Anonymous | reply 1 | April 13, 2021 6:11 PM |
R1 LMAO
by Anonymous | reply 2 | April 13, 2021 6:26 PM |
Rosemary who? I don't know her.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | April 13, 2021 6:27 PM |
She never removed that god awful mole?
by Anonymous | reply 4 | April 13, 2021 7:29 PM |
R4 Guess not, you're still here
by Anonymous | reply 5 | April 13, 2021 7:56 PM |
Is she related to Elaine Prinz, who played her sister in law Miranda Marlowe and who also had a mole?
by Anonymous | reply 6 | April 13, 2021 8:36 PM |
Vee would never allow Rosemary to remove the mole. He’s in the biz, you know.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | April 13, 2021 8:45 PM |
Larry Bryggman on some NBC hospital drama tonight. It’s called New Amsterdam. He’s playing a doctor!
by Anonymous | reply 8 | April 13, 2021 8:48 PM |
I was Pennier.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | April 13, 2021 8:51 PM |
Can Bryggman still get it up? He’s got the much younger wife.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | April 13, 2021 9:14 PM |
I was more popular.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | April 13, 2021 9:16 PM |
I got the movie rights to Sonni/Solita. Who was your fave?
by Anonymous | reply 12 | April 13, 2021 11:15 PM |
Rosemary Prinz? Didn't she fall up a flight of steps and loose a baby?
by Anonymous | reply 13 | April 14, 2021 1:29 AM |
Finally. Linda Dano has been murieled for over a week.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | April 14, 2021 1:33 AM |
When will it be my turn to guest on The Locher Room?!? Alan has had Ole Lucy on three times!
by Anonymous | reply 15 | April 14, 2021 2:08 AM |
Miss Locher's interview with Rosemary was awful. She spent at least 75-80% of the time discussing her father and her theater credits, which Locher gushed over her. There was a little time devoted to ATWT and Irna, passing mention of AMC and How to Survive a Marriage, and zip about Ryan's Hope.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | April 14, 2021 2:31 AM |
Alan probably told Rosemary to not dunk on Helen Wagner like everyone else.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | April 14, 2021 2:38 AM |
Did Marland want to bring Penny and Amy back on a permanent basis in 1986? They were prominently featured at the start of the Sabrina story. Amy was a better fit in my opinion than Lien, who just made Tom seem even more dull and middle aged.
Also, as has been mentioned before Sabrina should have been written differently-it would have been fun to see her as a spoiled scheming brat, like Monica Laurence was.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | April 14, 2021 3:16 AM |
Wasn't Prinz on Ryan's Hope by 1986? I doubt she would've come back to ATWT full time, and I highly doubt the show would've been looking to take on yet another 50-something female at that point. Kim, Lisa, Lucinda, Emma, and even Ellen were still pretty prominent when Marland was initially writing. Another female character in that category with really no story left to tell would have been superfluous.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | April 14, 2021 3:54 AM |
Prinz's time on Ryan's Hope was a little later, 1988 I believe. I think it was another short-term run (and she was appearing in the original cast of Steel Magnolias as M'Lynn at night?).
by Anonymous | reply 20 | April 14, 2021 4:05 AM |
R18 I seem to remember there was some talk about Amy being taken to contract but I think for whatever reason the network didn't go for that, thus the creation of Lien.
Doug definitely tried to diversify Oakdale.....some attempts were solid, others more clumsy.....
by Anonymous | reply 21 | April 14, 2021 1:18 PM |
Vee, Dumb Dylan, and AMC2008pervert have ruined SON! Psychos!
by Anonymous | reply 22 | April 14, 2021 11:06 PM |
Dr. Bob was so much hotter.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | April 14, 2021 11:44 PM |
Rosemary Prinz, like Patsy Bruder, looked 60 when she was 18. Now if they had brought on someone like Shannon Tweed as nuPenny in the 80s, imagine the how much vitality she could've injected into this old lady support hose show. Now that I think of it, they could've really made the Hughes a force to be reckoned with if they had hired attractive actors to give them some sex appeal. John McCook as nuBob, Eddie Cibrian as a de-SORASed nuTom, Gloria Loring as nuKim, Lisa Rinna as nuFrannie. And of course Cameron Mathison as nuAndy aka Drew. Maybe get some old time Hollywood stars as Nancy and Chris. I could go on and on.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | April 15, 2021 12:09 AM |
Our Sally got the movie role that she originated on stage in Steel Magnolias.
Why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to know why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Anonymous | reply 25 | April 15, 2021 12:13 AM |
Rosemary Prinz was only a marquis name in daytime. No one outside of the daytime ghetto even heard of her. Prinz actually had a minor role (if you blinked, you missed it) on Knots Landing in the 3rd season. And she probably had to audition for that. No one in prime time had heard of her.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | April 15, 2021 12:31 AM |
Hit her, Rosemary!
We'll print up T-shirts - I SLAPPED SALLY FIELD!
by Anonymous | reply 27 | April 15, 2021 12:34 AM |
Eileen doo doo pants hated Rosemary Prinz. Hated her!
by Anonymous | reply 28 | April 15, 2021 1:04 AM |
When Marland brought Penny back for some reunion (I'm thinking Chris and Nancy's 50th anniversary?),, she was seated at some gala watching all the crazy goings-on, and blurted out "Who ARE these people?". It was an off-the-cuff moment that was just priceless, like when Lucinda saw Lisa's trousseau while walking down the aisle with husband (no. 7?) Earl, and shrieked "Oh my God, she's wearing white!".
by Anonymous | reply 29 | April 15, 2021 1:53 AM |
She really was a major daytime star. She is the only person to ever receive above the title billing on All My Children, which she held for her six month stint launching the show.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | April 15, 2021 1:58 AM |
Rosemary was lying about the theater and never wanting to return to ATWT full time. She literally could not stand the smell of the joint on days when Eileen was on the schedule (more like shitter).
by Anonymous | reply 31 | April 15, 2021 2:01 AM |
^She told Locher that that was one of her demands of Agnes Nixon, to be star-billed. I think she and Beverlee McKinsey on Texas were the only two actors to ever get that type of billing. And maybe Dana Andrews on Bright Promise.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | April 15, 2021 2:01 AM |
Rosemary Prinz? Wasn't she the poor man's Anita Gillette?
by Anonymous | reply 33 | April 15, 2021 2:12 AM |
In the early days of ATWT, who was considered bigger...Rosemary Prinz or Eileen Fulton?
by Anonymous | reply 34 | April 15, 2021 2:20 AM |
Ahem, try again, r34! The wonderful Patsy Bruder was bigger than both those two.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | April 15, 2021 2:27 AM |
Eileen pooped the most. She was notorious for clogging the toilets.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | April 15, 2021 2:38 AM |
Ellen said that in 1998, r29. It was Nancy’s 80th birthday and they brought Ellen (who hadn’t been seen since 1996) back for that. It was the last time she was on camera.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | April 15, 2021 2:40 AM |
No idea who this person is
by Anonymous | reply 38 | April 15, 2021 2:53 AM |
[quote] like when Lucinda saw Lisa's trousseau while walking down the aisle with husband (no. 7?) Earl, and shrieked "Oh my God, she's wearing white!".
I saw that live on TV and I **screamed** with laughter.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | April 15, 2021 3:27 AM |
R38 is Chris Goutman.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | April 15, 2021 3:38 AM |
Chris Goutman hated that bitch Byrne.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | April 15, 2021 8:36 AM |
Chris Goutman made Eileen Fulton hold it if she was going to work. We know how that went in ATWT’s last decade.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | April 15, 2021 9:46 AM |
anyway.....
by Anonymous | reply 43 | April 15, 2021 4:16 PM |
A new Locher Room with some of the Reardons.
Jim, Annabelle (!!) and Maureen #1 - but still no Nola.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | April 15, 2021 4:25 PM |
In lieu of a 2021 interview with Lisa Brown, watch this 1986 interview of Lisa by Leta Powell Drake.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | April 15, 2021 4:54 PM |
Good God who was that awful interviewer. Leta?
by Anonymous | reply 46 | April 15, 2021 5:28 PM |
Leta Powell Drake is amazing. There was a DL thread about her a few months ago.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | April 15, 2021 5:36 PM |
Goutman bought Eileen diapers to wear so she wouldn’t clog up the terlets. He told her to shit at home.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | April 15, 2021 7:01 PM |
Eileen was a horrible actress. Goutman was right in marginalizing her. I actually think she had TOO MUCH screen time in the final episode.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | April 15, 2021 7:13 PM |
Fulton was indeed terrible. Always fumbling over her lines. She couldn’t string 2 sentences together without screwing them up.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | April 15, 2021 7:21 PM |
Leta was a bit nosy with Lisa.....but she sounds fun in the Vulture interview
by Anonymous | reply 51 | April 15, 2021 7:36 PM |
A reminder to FF and block our mentally ill troll. Do not engage.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | April 15, 2021 7:39 PM |
Don MacLaughlin had serious BDF.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | April 15, 2021 7:45 PM |
Merde!
by Anonymous | reply 54 | April 15, 2021 9:17 PM |
Anyway
by Anonymous | reply 55 | April 15, 2021 10:42 PM |
Are the amc2008 pervert and idiot Dylan the same person at SON?
by Anonymous | reply 56 | April 15, 2021 11:17 PM |
Why don't you go THERE to ask them, you fat sow.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | April 15, 2021 11:24 PM |
The joke at ATWT’s JC Studios was that Lisa still owned the Lakeview because Eileen F. needed to use all of its toilets.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | April 15, 2021 11:45 PM |
It’s amazing how many posts you can’t see on this thread when you block the poster obsessed with Eileen Fulton’s bowel movements.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | April 15, 2021 11:49 PM |
R49 You are an idiot. Eileen was more than an actress, she was a star. She WAS ATWT to a couple generations of fans. There are only a handful of actors that transcends their role, she was one and Susan Lucci, whose Erica was at least partly modeled on Lisa, is another. Neither are the absolute greatest of actresses but that matters less than their connection to the show's fanbase.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | April 15, 2021 11:50 PM |
^What R61 said.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | April 16, 2021 2:53 AM |
Kathy Hays fainted on-set when Eileen sharted once after lunch. An ambulance had to be called and it held up production for HOURS.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | April 16, 2021 4:13 AM |
Christopher Goutman was the best thing to ever happen to ATWT.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | April 16, 2021 4:19 AM |
Didn’t Rosemary come back to AMC once for one of their anniversary shows? I can’t remember if I’m remembering that or when she came back to ATWT.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | April 16, 2021 4:47 AM |
When are we going to get a Locher Room with this stud?
by Anonymous | reply 66 | April 16, 2021 4:51 AM |
Will Queen Locher be interviewing CZP again?
by Anonymous | reply 67 | April 16, 2021 4:58 AM |
R65 I don't remember it happening during my time watching AMC from the late 1980s-end, and I can't find anything to say she ever returned. She made her last ATWT appearance in 2003, though.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | April 16, 2021 5:03 AM |
She never returned to AMC. They had Ruth mention Amy a few times as late as 1993, but Prinz never came back.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | April 16, 2021 8:38 AM |
I do not think Rosemary Prinz ever returned to AMC after her 6 month stint there when it debuted in 1970.
However, if she did return, it would have been for the 25th anniversary celebration in early January 1995. That's when they brought back lots of old characters for Joe and Ruth Martin's housewarming party. There were so many old characters there, some of them only got a couple of lines. And many times, if you didn't already know who the character was, the dialogue didn't really fill you in. So, you either recognized them or you didn't and then they were gone in blink of an eye.
It's possible Rosemary's Amy Tyler was one of those characters who came back for the housewarming party and didn't get many lines of dialogue. Amy was Ruth Martin's sister, and Ruth adopted Amy's out of wedlock son, Phillip, as a baby. So, Amy visiting for the housewarming would have been a natural.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | April 16, 2021 9:56 AM |
Remember when Goutman made Viv Gundaker send Fulton the bill to unplug one of the toilets and make her pay for it. Too funny!
by Anonymous | reply 71 | April 16, 2021 10:30 AM |
Why hasn’t Zimmer guest starred on more prime time shows? She was great on Seinfeld and Designing Women. I’m surprised she hasn’t done Law & Order: SUV like so many other GL stars. She can cry on cue and would be better than most guest stars.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | April 16, 2021 11:18 AM |
^CUZ SHE IS A TROUBLEMAKER.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | April 16, 2021 11:20 AM |
R73 No. Come on. Zimmer is amazing.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | April 16, 2021 11:38 AM |
Kim’s happily retired and enjoying her grandkids.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | April 16, 2021 12:08 PM |
From what her book says, she didn't enjoy the auditioning and the cutthroat LA culture and when she came back to GL decided to stay on the east coast.
It does seem odd she's never done an L&O. Maybe she pissed someone off there?
by Anonymous | reply 76 | April 16, 2021 1:21 PM |
I think for the longest time I thought Lisa Brown wasn't doing the Locher Room thing because she didn't want to revisit the past, or because she hadn't really been friends or acquaintences with Alan Locher.
But after re-reading this, I think she won't do it because she knows Alan wants to keep things on the positive side, and she has a lot to say about how GL ended and how soaps were treated. I bet he hasn't even asked her, because he KNOWS what she'd want to say. I wish SOMEONE would ask her!
by Anonymous | reply 77 | April 16, 2021 2:16 PM |
Wow. OK. Well somebody should be the Anti-Allen on YouTube or Apple Podcasts and get people to actually spill tea on their shows/daytime executives.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | April 16, 2021 3:44 PM |
R78 Yes!
by Anonymous | reply 79 | April 16, 2021 3:53 PM |
I can’t stomach Locher. He’ll go all in for bad gossip on shows like AMC and OLTl but you can’t touch ‘his’ ATWT and GL from whenever he went to work for them. Was it ‘97? When the FACT is that after ‘97, the P&G shows went way downhill. Sure, hate JFP for killing Maureen, but Clone Reva and Reva walking through pictures and Peapack were MUCH more detrimental to GL. Alan was there for all of that. Locher is a moron. We’re not buying his p.r. spin.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | April 16, 2021 4:44 PM |
Kim Zimmer was an awful bully. She preferred a workplace where she could call the shots and GL was that place. She ran roughshod all over the show, eventually helping to drive it into the ground. Being successful in LA on the audition circuit would have meant earning her place and not being a terrible actor.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | April 16, 2021 4:49 PM |
Has there ever been a more down-trodden, sad sack, unlucky in love soap heroine than Iva Snyder?
by Anonymous | reply 82 | April 16, 2021 6:04 PM |
Iva was a sad sack and she moped around Oakdale for 9 years.. Marland knew Lisa Brown had comedic skills; couldn’t he have given her some levity ?
by Anonymous | reply 83 | April 16, 2021 6:24 PM |
R81 Kim was a total bully! Gotta love that Jill Phelps was the bigger bully and said NO to bringing Kim back to GL. As soon as Jill left, Laibson had no balls and brought Kim back.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | April 16, 2021 6:25 PM |
I think Kim came back while Jill was still there. Jill said no but the network overruled her. For that alone I don't hate her the way that everyone else does.
I know everyone says 1993 was the beginning of the end since that's when they killed Maureen but I think it was actually 1994/1995, when network and sponsor interference led to decisions like bringing Zimmer back so she could hog the entire show.
Around the same time (slightly before actually) there was horrible writer turnover since any sane person won't deal with constant politics and sensitivities from corporate suits. It just doesn’t work when there are 40 people who don’t even watch the show or care putting their two cents in.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | April 16, 2021 7:06 PM |
R85 I remember that. When Kim came back as a ghost, Jill was sort of emphatic in the beginning that it was just a visit. I seem to remember some gossip that after the ghost stint Kim was going to go to AMC (I can't even imagine that).
But clearly CBS and/or P&G had other ideas. By the time they'd shot the last of her "ghost" scenes they already had her waking up in a bed somewhere. So Jill was indeed overruled.
But I don't think Jill was necessarily against Kim, or hated her or anything. As much of a bitch as JFP could be, I think she also recognized that several of her female actresses, like Maeve Kinkead, were happier when they had story, and she realized how much Reva overshadowed the show.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | April 16, 2021 7:35 PM |
Ah yes, I think I'm confusing AMC's anniversary show with all the old actors and the ATWT one where Prinz showed up.
I was born a month after AMC premiered so I sure don't remember her on there!
@ 1986-1989 AMC and ATWT were both GREAT. I kept watching ATWT for a while into the 90s, but once I was out of college and working I didn't watch it as much. Maybe if Julianne Moore had stayed longer I would have kept watching every day. I watched AMC until the bitter, BITTER, end.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | April 16, 2021 7:41 PM |
R86 Yes definitely, it was nothing personal between JFP and Zimmer. It was just that JFP felt that GL was more of an ensemble show without Zimmer there, and she was spot on. With a 4-day guarantee and her bully personality it had to be the Reva Hour. She had a habit of going to the producers and bitching if she didn't have scenes for more than two days at a time, and once Rauch took over, he pretty much handed the show over to her. What a mess it all became.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | April 16, 2021 7:56 PM |
"Has there ever been a more down-trodden, sad sack, unlucky in love soap heroine than Iva Snyder?"
No, and I respect that for once Daytime acknowledged, in a realistic way, the life-long trauma that many women sustain as a result of incest/sexual assault. I'm always amazed at fans who complain that Iva wasn't "fun." This is a character who was raped by her cousin at the age of thirteen, compelled to give up the child that resulted from that rape, trafficked into pornography, and forced to watch as her family celebrated the marriage of her sister to her rapist. How could she be anything but profoundly psychologically damaged? You don't just "get over" that shit.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | April 16, 2021 7:58 PM |
The Reva Show was thanks to network and sponsor stupidity. Again, not people who watched the show or who cared about it. So to these people, an aggressive man-eating blonde who danced on tables was a sure-fire ratings success. She was the ticket to skyrocketing numbers. That's when the show went away from the character-driven stories that generation after generation watched and started to bank on the crude, the quick fix, the trash, and the nonsensical. Reva was the perfect vehicle for all of that.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | April 16, 2021 8:18 PM |
Zimmer's most grievous sins were running her mouth to the soap press about her co-stars. No one was safe. Meredith Berlin, Mimi Torchin were all ears. Zimmer felt Maeve K. was too pretentious, Wendy Moniz and Beth Ehlers were threats to her longevity, though she seemed to adore the God awful bid bird chick who played Cassie.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | April 16, 2021 8:18 PM |
Zimmer WAS the soap press. Everyone else was too smart to talk to the people at the magazines, losers that most of them were. Then here's this loud mouth who says whatever and dirties her co-stars without prompting. She was their dream come true.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | April 16, 2021 8:23 PM |
To give small fairness to La Zim, GL was lopsided for a long time. The Curlee/Demorest years was basically the ONLY time it wasn't.
Pam ran with what worked and gave it front burner airtime in both of her runs. Not just Reva et al but Phillip too - he left in 1991 because basically he'd been on 3 to 5 days a week for five years straight.
After Kim came back it was slighty better but still, GL always had a shortage of hot couples and once one of them got popular they'd play them until you literally did not want to see another second. Matt and Vanessa, Harley and Phillip, Harley and Gus, Manny, etc.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | April 16, 2021 8:24 PM |
[quote] Zimmer felt Maeve K. was too pretentious, Wendy Moniz and Beth Ehlers were threats to her longevity,
To quote one of our most beloved posters here....where are your sources?
*librarian over the glasses glance*
by Anonymous | reply 95 | April 16, 2021 8:26 PM |
One of my sources, if you must know, was Mimi Torchin herself.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | April 16, 2021 8:28 PM |
I was gently ribbing you, R96, but I was curious if you were implying whether these things were in print or not.
If you're saying it was off the record, fine. (We will note that and take it with a small grain of salt.)
On or off the record, it was clear that KZ was a diva. She complained if she had too much story, she complained if she had too little. She complained when she was stuck with Jeva Take Twelve, she complained if they tried to put her with someone else that wasn't Robert Newman. She complained when she was isolated from the rest of the cast in story, but if the writers tried to connect her to other characters, she'd complain she was pouring tea and being turned into Bert Bauer.
She got to waddle through the last two years of GL half blotto and after gaining 30 pounds and still, no one anywhere could do enough for her or do it in the way she wanted.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | April 16, 2021 8:33 PM |
[quote]Mimi Torchin herself
Spoilerina is [italic]compelled[/italic] to tell the truth.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | April 16, 2021 8:37 PM |
How WAS it that she was allowed to gain all that weight? Everybody else got called out on their flaws on and off camera (especially under Rauch - the talk of plastic surgery was incessant) but starting in about 1996 she just let herself go while being written as the young sex pot who struck men down with her beauty.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | April 16, 2021 8:37 PM |
R98 And two weeks before it plays out on air!
by Anonymous | reply 100 | April 16, 2021 8:39 PM |
Zimmer yo yo'ed for a long time but I think once Wheeler was in charge and she knew there was no Trach or MADD, she just decided fuck it, and let go.
Or she was rebelling against Wheeler.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | April 16, 2021 8:41 PM |
[quote]One of my sources, if you must know, was Mimi Torchin herself.
If you talk to her again, tell her she will never be forgiven for destroying the "tune-in" factor for soap operas.
Then you can tell her that, aside from the spoilers, Soap Opera Weekly was a pretty great magazine.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | April 16, 2021 8:48 PM |
She was huge at the end. This olive colored muumuu she’s wearing here is ridiculous.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | April 16, 2021 8:51 PM |
This is why I find her beyond any tolerance. If you're unhappy at your job, go find another one. But to 'rebel' by making yourself into a blimp when you can't call the shots any more is insane. She'd rather stay and bitch and be unhappy than go audition - which is what most actors do - and find something else that pays the bills. To her, Reva was the be all and end all, which is why I find it so laughable that people think she's a good actor. She had ONE ROLE and most of it was her strong-arming behind the scenes to keep it and play it how she wanted to.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | April 16, 2021 8:52 PM |
I watched Guiding Light in the early 1980s. I was never a big fan of the Reva Shayne character. I always hated when a daytime drama felt like it had a designated leading lady. I like it when different characters take turn being center stage. Besides, I found Diane Ballard, Amanda Spaulding, and Vanessa Chamberlain much more interesting characters than Reva. In fact, I found Lucille Wexler more entertaining than Reva.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | April 16, 2021 9:01 PM |
Some of these discussions we've had too many times to count. KZ is always one of them.
But I'll say what others have said before. Reva in the first go round was every bit worth the fuss. KZ turned in consistently solid work, astounding at times.
She hit paydirt in her rivalry with Watros, but beyond that, she didn't really connect with the edgier parts of the Reva we knew before until her scenes with Tom Pelphrey. She'd gotten (even by her own admission) lazy before Pelphrey, and she just gave up after he left.
But when she was "on," the praise was well earned.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | April 16, 2021 9:19 PM |
Face it, she was the face of GL from the 80s on, and she drew in the viewers and maybe even lapsed viewers. Everyone talks about how wonderful the writing was in the early 90s, and how great the show was without her, and maybe that's all true, but that wasn't pulling in the viewers or the demos.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | April 16, 2021 9:26 PM |
Oh god, Iva was so boring and dowdy. I want to drown myself in the tub just thinking about her. If I was a writer, I would've pitched a story about Iva's sexy, nympho, wise-cracking split personality named Godiva, slutting herself across Oakdale trying to seduce anything in pants. It worked brilliantly for Viki/Niki on OLTL, and it would've been great for ATWT, which was too realistic compared to the hot ABC and Bell shows. ATWT needed a heavy jolt of insane melodrama to make it interesting, and Iva/Godiva could've been just the ticket.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | April 16, 2021 9:38 PM |
anyway
by Anonymous | reply 109 | April 16, 2021 9:52 PM |
[quote] 30 pounds
You are too kind.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | April 16, 2021 10:05 PM |
R110 I do try.
I couldn't very well say "She was big enough to be the central focus of the show opening."
by Anonymous | reply 111 | April 16, 2021 10:16 PM |
R107 GL did finally see a ratings surge in 1992. It got as high as #2 for a few weeks here and there then all the major actresses in hot stories left within weeks of each other (Stringfield, Simms, McKinsey) who were all in super hot stories. All the air was let out of the tire. It killed what was huge momentum. Had GL kept them and kept the pace (no reason to think they wouldn’t), the show would have built a solid place in the top 3 or 4 shows for awhile.
I thought the show was very well balanced from 88-93. You had healthy doses of Reva, Josh, Sonni/Solita, Beth, Phillip, Harley, Alan, Alan-Michael, Roger, Holly, Blake and many others. 83-86 was heavy on Reva (well deserved) and Beth and her men (well deserved). They did try too much with Beth/Lujack. I agree with the poster above- when the show found superstar couples like B/L and Reva/Josh, they overwrote for them.
The writing for Zimmer became ridiculous from the clone onward. Prior to that, it was top notch and she was a ratings star. GL didn’t fluctuate nearly as much in the ratings as some shows. She kept eyes on the show and kept a buzz about the show. But her acting in so many stories was phenomenal. I don’t know any other daytime actress who was as dynamic and charismatic. She could take anything given to her and hit a grand slam.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | April 16, 2021 10:16 PM |
Zimmer was overrated! All charisma, and the camera loved her. She tried her hand at primetime, couldn't hack it and came crawling back to daytime.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | April 16, 2021 10:21 PM |
I realize I was never the target demo, but my viewing of GL was inversely proportional to their featuring Reva. When she was not on, I watched. When she was on, I did not. The whole southern-fried invasion/Cat on a Hot Tin Roof rip-off had me VCRing ATWT alone for years. Fat/drunk Billy and Big Daddy H.B. made me puke. I picked the show up again with Will & Sonni-Solita for those actors...despite Kimmer. After a few years of glorious stuff with Roger and Holly and all the rest, I stopped watching with the death of Maureen. I thought Melissa Hayden and Ellen Parker and Maeve Kincaid were worth 15 Kimmers.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | April 16, 2021 10:23 PM |
If Zimmer was so phenomenal, why did the ratings dip into the toilet with her as the featured player post-return? There was a steady slide downward that cannot be denied. The writing was piss poor, yes, but her supposed magnetic presence wasn't keeping butts in front of the TV. The lower they went the more she ate the show. I know P&G wanted out of the soap business for years, and I have to wonder if the overuse of Reva wasn't a way to get there.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | April 16, 2021 10:26 PM |
The ratings were gold when Kim was front and center. The moment they featured dull actresses like Ellen Parker or Maeve Kinkead, the show tanked. Kim carried the show for the better part of three decades. She deserves every one of those Emmys.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | April 16, 2021 10:28 PM |
[quote] The ratings were gold when Kim was front and center.
This is just demonstrably false. Why do people say garbage like this?
by Anonymous | reply 117 | April 16, 2021 10:30 PM |
Vanessa was dull asf. Sorry not sorry. Ellen Parker did not show what she could do until she was given it right before her character died. Up until then, she was pretty dull. Bridget was fun.
GL’s dip in the ratings (all shows were steadily going down- it held it’s #7 position) was largely due to (we’ve been over this) time slot changes and horrible stories like cloning, mafia, island princesses and time travel.
Zimmer had great showings on Seinfeld and Designing Women.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | April 16, 2021 10:33 PM |
For the last decade Maeve Kinkead was barely on the show and Ellen Parker was not on it at all, while Zimmer and her auxiliary stories hogged 35 minutes of the 40 minutes sans commercials. She was a big reason the show was driven into the ground, IMO. No amount of filming in trailer parks could save it after years of stupid plot lines that largely centered around Reva and alienated fans.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | April 16, 2021 10:33 PM |
"GL’s dip in the ratings (all shows were steadily going down- it held it’s #7 position) was largely due to (we’ve been over this) time slot changes and horrible stories like cloning, mafia, island princesses and time travel."
All of these stories featured Kim Zimmer. Again, no amount of supposed charisma could save any of it. It didn't seem to occur to the morons running the show that continuing to write the entirety of it around this has-been was not working.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | April 16, 2021 10:38 PM |
R119 Yes, that is when the show lost the plot with Reva by trying to give her increasingly stupid, outrageous stories. However, GL’s ratings were going down like every other show. It held steady (and even sometimes tied for #6) during certain stories like Reva/Annie.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | April 16, 2021 10:39 PM |
Vanessa BECAME dull when she was shifted aside for Zimmer.
But she was fabulous, especially in the beginning. As much as I love Donna Love, that character owes a lot to Maeve and Vanessa Chamberlain.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | April 16, 2021 10:54 PM |
Interesting stuff.
Lady Eyes A Buggin played on GL at the same time Ruby Dee did.
Didn't realize that years before McKinsey was on GL, her husband had a contract role there (Dr. Joe Werner).
by Anonymous | reply 123 | April 16, 2021 11:05 PM |
It appears that we have already been M'd.
(but as with last time....this might be a blessing in disguise)
by Anonymous | reply 124 | April 17, 2021 12:22 AM |
All right what character hasn’t been used before, for the next thread ?
I’m partial to Lucille Wexler myself (I love that name, it tells you everything about that character).
by Anonymous | reply 125 | April 17, 2021 12:30 AM |
Am I the only one who preferred Toby Poser over Kathleen Cullen as Amanda? I loved the madam angle with Poser's Amanda, and the fact that she turned out to be Alan's sister.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | April 17, 2021 6:08 AM |
You are the only one, R127.
The rest of us absolutely hated the retcon of Amanda being Alan’s sister, not his daughter. And Poser looked all wrong as a Spaulding.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | April 17, 2021 6:38 AM |
I love Reva!
by Anonymous | reply 129 | April 17, 2021 10:56 AM |
This thread has not been Murieled.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | April 17, 2021 11:12 AM |
R103, thanks for posting that clip. HORRIBLE! That dress. The hair. The horrible camera angles. The dialogue. The prop kid. It was like riding the last 5 ft. in an out of gas car.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | April 17, 2021 11:29 AM |
Evie Stapleton was even more boring than Maureen Bauer, if that’s even possible.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | April 17, 2021 12:05 PM |
I wanted Ben McFarren in me quite deeply. Is Yates gay IRL?
by Anonymous | reply 133 | April 17, 2021 1:49 PM |
Yates used to fuck Donna Cyrus. He’s not a gay.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | April 17, 2021 2:09 PM |
Hi, everyone. Remember me? Rosemary? The original subject of this thread?
by Anonymous | reply 135 | April 17, 2021 2:39 PM |
How’s your sister Elaine Prinz, who also has a distracting mole?
by Anonymous | reply 136 | April 17, 2021 2:47 PM |
r136, I think you're thinking of Elaine Princi. To the best of my knowledge, she and Prinz are not related. Fun fact: they did play sister-in-laws on ATWT, but never appeared together.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | April 17, 2021 3:04 PM |
R130 Hmm. It had been for a big chunk of yesterday.
I wonder if it was Un Murieled.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | April 17, 2021 4:54 PM |
"But [Zimmer's] acting in so many stories was phenomenal. I don’t know any other daytime actress who was as dynamic and charismatic."
I do: Elizabeth Hubbard.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | April 17, 2021 7:56 PM |
Zimmer was #2 and Hubbard was #15 in We Love Soaps' list of 50 Greatest Soap Actresses of all time, as determined by a panel of 14 soap opera journalists and critics.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | April 17, 2021 8:23 PM |
Hubbard stumbled over her lines too much. It was a bad acting tick.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | April 17, 2021 8:31 PM |
Sad thing is, that list was made a decade ago and I can't imagine the work of any actress who's new to any show since then making that list.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | April 17, 2021 11:09 PM |
Why the fuck wasn't Kathy Glass on that list?
by Anonymous | reply 143 | April 17, 2021 11:24 PM |
R142 Honestly, not sure I'd put her in the top 50, but the only "newer" actress in the soap world I'd consider to be equal to the ones of the past is Kelly Thiebaud as Britt Westborne on GH.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | April 17, 2021 11:30 PM |
Any top 50 list that contains McFlimsy is a total sham. So overrated.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | April 18, 2021 12:06 AM |
I want to hear more about this Kim Zimmer/Maeve Kinkead dislike. What the heck was there to be jealous of? Vanessa was always written as the foil for anybody (Reva, Dinah, etc.) so why would Zimmer trash her? It's not like Maeve got story, at least comparatively, which is why she'd leave from time to time. She wasn't being written for.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | April 18, 2021 12:33 AM |
Maybe Zimmer was jealous of who Kinkead’s sister-in-law was?
by Anonymous | reply 147 | April 18, 2021 12:35 AM |
I think Maeve resented that they declawed Vanessa and gave her claws to Alex and Reva. Vanessa is one character that suffered the worst under Pam Long. Another was Nola. I think Pam just didn't have the depth as a writer to pen for these complex, nuanced characters that Doug and the Dobsons had created. I shudder to think what she would've done with Rita.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | April 18, 2021 12:38 AM |
R140, ONE ATWT actress in the first 28 choices...and NONE in the top ten? That list is a joke. No Martha Byrne, no CZP, no Hillary Smith, no Julianne Moore, etc Ridiculous.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | April 18, 2021 12:40 AM |
Don't get hung up on lists like that. They are highly subjective and inherently biased because there is no one who can, with any certainty, tell you who every great soap actor was spanning a period between 1951 and now. There is no person alive who has watched every soap ever to air and there isn't a lot of evidence of shows prior to 1978 because of tape wiping. There is no argument that Kim Zimmer is a great actress, but what about someone who appeared on Secret Storm or Portia Faces Life or any of the other forgotten soaps who were really great in their roles? So ultimately these lists are popularity contests for soaps of a specific era and nothing more.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | April 18, 2021 1:40 AM |
Drunk CZP on a list of top actresses? lolololololololol Never!
by Anonymous | reply 151 | April 18, 2021 4:54 AM |
The two dumbest names on the top 50 list are Sarah Felder (who did 2 years on Ryan’s Hope and was never seen on soaps again) and Patsy Pease.
Take a look at who they beat , in the honorable mention list.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | April 18, 2021 5:25 AM |
Michelle Forbes was the epitome of wow on GL.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | April 18, 2021 6:16 AM |
The list is interesting but a discussion point at best.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | April 18, 2021 11:14 AM |
Go away Serial Monticello mental case. Sick as ever.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | April 18, 2021 2:09 PM |
wOW - that list is awful. Where is Jaime Lyn Bauer? Jeanne Cooper is a HAM and Melody Scott is at best, wishy-washy. Susan Sullivan? Where is she? Mary Fickett was a considerably better actress than Lucci.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | April 18, 2021 2:55 PM |
Margaret McLarty should be much higher.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | April 18, 2021 3:07 PM |
Lucci was a joke of an actor. I didn’t even watch AMC but seeing clips of her was cringe.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | April 18, 2021 3:12 PM |
Why isn't Kate Linder on that list?
by Anonymous | reply 159 | April 18, 2021 3:13 PM |
Susan Lucci, with all due with respect, was a daytime star who had outside of daytime fame, but she was not an actor. All too often people confuse stars with actors. While a star and an actor can be the same, it's not always true.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | April 18, 2021 3:19 PM |
Lucci was a star due to her absurd amount of acting noms without winning. It is a slap in the face she was nominated so often. Tellingly, once she won she was no longer nominated.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | April 18, 2021 3:21 PM |
And it was always about her and her losing took away from the actual winner. And once she won, no one cared about the Daytime Emmys any longer.
by Anonymous | reply 162 | April 18, 2021 3:34 PM |
I think Lucci she was very self-aware about her limitations and didn't take herself too seriously. She had great comedic timing, and always played Erica with a comedic edge. She was actually quite good and understated during the Bianca anorexia storyline. On the flip side, you had glazed hams like Slezak, Hubbard, Flannery, and Zimmer whose performances could be seen as laughable taken out of context. It's debatable if they were truly better actresses than Lucci. At the end of the day, what does it matter anyway?
by Anonymous | reply 163 | April 18, 2021 3:55 PM |
Let's not let Lucci monopolize the thread as she did the Emmys!
by Anonymous | reply 164 | April 18, 2021 4:02 PM |
It's not Lucci's the fault that the Emmys became all about her. The producers knew that people were tuning in to see whether she'd win or lose, so the basic narrative of the awards was spun around that.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | April 18, 2021 4:09 PM |
Every year, when so many people wondered why Susan Lucci had lost the Emmy yet again, I always thought the answer was obvious: She's a terrible actress who never improved.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | April 18, 2021 4:10 PM |
[quote]wOW - that list is awful. Where is Jaime Lyn Bauer?
I didn't see her on Y&R, but she was absolutely horrible in her DAYS run.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | April 18, 2021 4:17 PM |
[quote] Where is Jaime Lyn Bauer?
In the unemployment line, where she should be
by Anonymous | reply 168 | April 18, 2021 4:20 PM |
[quote]While a star and an actor can be the same, it's not always true.
Very true. See linked DL thread exploring this concept
by Anonymous | reply 169 | April 18, 2021 4:21 PM |
[quote]Where is Jaime Lyn Bauer?
She's been picking up some hours as a cashier at the Piggly Wiggly.
by Anonymous | reply 170 | April 18, 2021 4:24 PM |
[quote] If Zimmer was so phenomenal, why did the ratings dip into the toilet with her as the featured player post-return?
The clone storyline pushed the show to number 5
by Anonymous | reply 171 | April 18, 2021 4:30 PM |
[quote] The clone storyline pushed the show to number 5
At the expense of the show's reputation.
Setting the joists of the home on fire for heat will bring attention, but it doesn't mean that space will be livable after the embers are out......
by Anonymous | reply 172 | April 18, 2021 5:20 PM |
[quote]At the expense of the show's reputation.
It's called show business, not show reputation. Reputation doesn't equal ratings.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | April 18, 2021 5:22 PM |
^^The show's reputation?!?! LOL. This is the same show that did The Dreaming Death years earlier.
by Anonymous | reply 174 | April 18, 2021 5:24 PM |
Paul Rauch was responsible for the Clone story , just another example of his cheap stunts for publicity at the expense of story.
For other examples, see-Another World’s 90 minute expansion; Eterna/Heaven/Wild West Storylines at One Life to Live; Warren Lockridge’s weird two day location shoot in Moscow after the fall of the USSR on Santa Barbara.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | April 18, 2021 5:29 PM |
The clone story played March 1998 - August 1998 when they had to turbo wrap it up due to fan outrage and hatred. Their original intent had been to ride the story into the next century and watch those ratings skyrocket.
Of course, the following year, they conceived of San Cristobel, a lovely island of blonde people, and the mafia came to town. I'm not sure why firing Rauch and stopping these idiotic plots wasn't considered.
by Anonymous | reply 176 | April 18, 2021 5:37 PM |
The focus groups probably liked the SC and mob plots, and maybe their research told them that they appealed to the key demo, which is all advertisers cared about. It couldn't have been easy running a P&G show in the 90s. They were trying to broaden the appeal to younger viewers and not have these shows seem so anachronistic, while still maintaining some semblance of recognition to keep the older viewers watching. I don't envy any show runner tasked with that mandate. Tough balancing act.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | April 18, 2021 5:44 PM |
R177 I hear you - it couldn't have been easy balancing all of these requirements. But in the end all they did was alienate the core, long-term audience all for a segment of viewers who didn't end up supporting the show just the same. We always have to remember it's not fan-favorite stories that they're trying to write, it's stories to make 18-34 year-old's watch commercials and buy stuff. It's so ass-backwards.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | April 18, 2021 5:51 PM |
[quote]They were trying to broaden the appeal to younger viewers and not have these shows seem so anachronistic, [bold]while still maintaining some semblance of recognition to keep the older viewers watching[/bold].
[bold]One[/bold] of these statements is not true.
by Anonymous | reply 179 | April 18, 2021 5:56 PM |
r179, it is true to an extent. They kept the Hugheses and to a lesser extent the Bauers somewhat active and as intact family units during the later years. The ABC shows, except for maybe AMC, had long tossed aside their core middle class families because they didn't care about the older viewers who enjoyed these characters.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | April 18, 2021 6:04 PM |
[quote]They kept the Hugheses
Does Andy count as a Hughes? They did not keep Andy, those miserable ABC cunts. They hired Roger Howarth to play Paul (Barbara's son gets a Hughes credit, no, through Kim?) They fired Julie Wendall, who was Hughes-adjacent through Andy, and hired that slut Carly Tenney. Yeah, they sure kept the Hugheses.
And as for GL, which I gave up on much earlier, I have one word for you...Maureen.
by Anonymous | reply 181 | April 18, 2021 6:11 PM |
I think one of GL's main problems was that they didn't nurture new talent through the years. Y&R and DAYS, suck though they might in lots of ways, hired talent ten years ago that has slowly aged on the shows and they are now writing stories around those characters. There's a connection between old/new.
With GL there was very little of this, despite it being a show with tons of history. Instead of framing the stories around the characters and families and launching off of that, they seemed to think of the dumbest plot possible and apply that onto people, usually Reva.
Michelle was one example of a character who DID grow up on the show, and instead of keeping her Bauer roots at the forefront, they wrote her into the mob. By the the fifth ‘Carmen tries to kill Michelle’ story it was like Road Runner and Wilie E. Coyote. It was a cartoon.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | April 18, 2021 6:14 PM |
And this is why the four remaining shows continue to rot on the vine. They have got to be allowed to push the envelope and take chances in order to find an audience. If they don't do that, the shows die. For me personally, my sweet spot is a soap episode produced at some point between the late 60s and the late 70s. I find that to be the height of soap storytelling. But I may be only 1 of 2 people that wants to watch that. That kind of soap is not going to build audience. Doug Marland's GL or ATWT is not going to build a modern audience. Why do you think ATWT set daytime on fire in the mid 50s, Y&R in the early 70s, GH in the late 70s, Days in the 90s? They took chances. They played with the form. Because it is a form that really doesn't have a lot of set rules.
Personally, I think cloning Reva is stupid, but is it any more stupid than a woman running around town with multiple personalities every sweeps period or children aging to adults overnight or 5 ft, 60 year old supermodels, small midwestern towns with skylines and beaches and international mega villains and mobsters and corporations.
by Anonymous | reply 183 | April 18, 2021 6:37 PM |
If shows would go to 30 minute episodes (basically 18 after commercials) people would make time for them. They could even grow a new show or two.
Making 2 and a half movies a week is just......bleh.
by Anonymous | reply 184 | April 18, 2021 6:44 PM |
I think the bottom line is that it has to be compelling television. You can make a plot compelling even without people hanging out of airplanes or dancing on tables. Who's backstabbing who, who's bedding who, etc. all classic daytime plots that can be simple yet effective as long as they're well-written and well-acted.
by Anonymous | reply 185 | April 18, 2021 6:49 PM |
i completely agree with R185, but at same time I can't get mad at GL for trying to do something to try and get people to tune in.
by Anonymous | reply 186 | April 18, 2021 6:59 PM |
Again, shut the fuck up Serial Monticello idiot. You have no life beyond harassing me and being an idiot. Stop it!
by Anonymous | reply 187 | April 18, 2021 7:10 PM |
anyway....
by Anonymous | reply 188 | April 18, 2021 8:33 PM |
Gregg, is that you?
by Anonymous | reply 189 | April 18, 2021 8:35 PM |
[quote] Am I the only one who preferred Toby Poser
Yes.
by Anonymous | reply 190 | April 18, 2021 8:45 PM |
Toby Poser was fine but the character she was playing sure wasn’t Amanda.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | April 18, 2021 8:51 PM |
[quote] Toby Poser was fine but the character she was playing sure wasn’t Amanda.
this
right
here
by Anonymous | reply 192 | April 18, 2021 8:55 PM |
Sure she was, r191. Her name was clearly Amanda Spaulding, so yes she was playing Amanda. You may be confusing actors/characters.
by Anonymous | reply 193 | April 18, 2021 8:56 PM |
I think Michael Laibson, producer when she was hired, had a hard-on for her. She gave a few interviews during the height of the pandemic and every other word out of her mouth was Michael Laibson because of the opportunities he gave her. She seemed to be surprised like the rest of us that she was cast, especially when she auditioned and saw the competition (petite blondes, the more standard soap type 'vixen').
by Anonymous | reply 194 | April 18, 2021 8:58 PM |
Kathleen Cullen was too average looking for soaps. Someone more stunning like Poser was perfect. I didn't mind that they retconned her story. Cullen's version was dull as dirt. I prefer the beautiful Bell soap actors as opposed to the more real looking people that P&G tended to hire.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | April 18, 2021 9:10 PM |
Why are there like five P&G threads going on right now? I’m losing track.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | April 18, 2021 9:15 PM |
R194 Who are you talking about?
by Anonymous | reply 197 | April 18, 2021 9:21 PM |
An interesting fact about Toby Poser's audition: they screen-tested her with Kurt McKinney. I know they played Amanda/Matt as madam/gigolo, but I've always wondered if there was supposed to be more to it, since the screen test involved a kiss.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | April 18, 2021 9:22 PM |
R197 Toby Poser.
by Anonymous | reply 199 | April 18, 2021 9:23 PM |
So many dull GL actresses in the early 80s. Kathleen Cullen, Elvera Roussel, Janet Grey, Geri Court, Marsha Clark, Kristen Vigard, Ellen Dolan, etc.
by Anonymous | reply 200 | April 18, 2021 9:40 PM |
[quote] They did not keep Andy, those miserable ABC cunts.
It was those ABC cunts that brought Andy back to the show - It was Chris Goutman who axed the character
by Anonymous | reply 201 | April 18, 2021 9:42 PM |
It was Paul Rauch who brought on Toby Poser to Guiding Light. Then Rauch turned around and FIRED Marj Dusay (Alexandra). Rauch reasoning was that Alexandra & Amanda were too much alike, so one had to go. Rauch went with Dusay getting the boot, because as he told Marj "we want romance back on the show" and Amanda (age wise) could be paired up with many more men than Alexandra could.
by Anonymous | reply 202 | April 18, 2021 9:45 PM |
Laibson hired Poser. McTavish was HW who wrote Amanda back in, and I don't believe McT ever worked with Rauch on GL.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | April 18, 2021 9:52 PM |
R196 There are two, this one and the Lucille Wexler one.
For a few hours on Friday Muriel locked up this one but then unlocked it. Weirdly. In the meantime a second was created.
Sorry for any confusion.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | April 18, 2021 10:05 PM |
This one was never locked up, moron.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | April 18, 2021 11:54 PM |
McTavish and Rauch - now that would have been an unholy combo, a war of who could out-trash who.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | April 18, 2021 11:58 PM |
If I remember correctly McTavish was let go first in August 1995 after her poor writing caused a mass exodus of actors - Rick Hearst, Amelia Marshall, Peter Simon, and Maeve Kinkead. Laibson wasn't far behind, and then MADD brought on her good friend Paul Rauch to EP, and dumb and dumber writers Brown and Esensten.
A few musical producer facts I find interesting: they wanted to hire Rauch to succeed JFP instead of Laibson in 1995, but he wasn't available. Imagine his crap starting a whole year earlier than it did and GL's foray into the toilet a year ahead in the timeline. When Rauch finally left in 2002, they approached Laibson to EP again but he told them, understandably, to go to hell.
I imagine soaps would have been better off if they had nurtured new talent and not just recycled these hacks from show to show the way they did.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | April 19, 2021 12:10 AM |
^ Sorry, that should be McTavish was let go in August 1996, not 1995.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | April 19, 2021 12:11 AM |
McTavish basically coasted the rest of her career on her first successful stint at AMC, which was really guided by Agnes Nixon. Her subsequent two stints at AMC, at which she flew solo, were complete disasters. I guess she did get the OLTL demos up. JFP loved her, and credited her with knowing how to improve demos. I remember when GL hired her, Laibson sent out a press release saying that "the incredible Megan McTavish" would be coming on board as HW. She was trained by Nixon as well as Pam Long, so maybe they figured she'd be a good fit for the show.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | April 19, 2021 12:11 AM |
Her stuff was always so dark and twisted. Brent/Marion was hers which was a success only because of the actor - Frank Beatty played the hell out of that role to the point where he drove himself into a looney bin. And who can forget the summer of lonotrat, which sadly was Michael Zaslow's last story while he was well. What a shame.
by Anonymous | reply 210 | April 19, 2021 12:17 AM |
Millee Taggart was the last decent era of GL - before Jill Hurst (who had good ideas but by then it was way too little, way too late)
by Anonymous | reply 211 | April 19, 2021 12:24 AM |
Who would've guessed that Millee Taggart, with awful writing stints on RH and Loving under her belt, would be GL's last chance?!?! Says a lot about the state of GL at the time.
by Anonymous | reply 212 | April 19, 2021 12:28 AM |
Megan McTavish is just one example of what eventually killed the soaps. How can a genre survive when they keep hiring the same writers, over and over, who fail at one show to then fail at another? Especially, when it was clear some writers just didn't fit the tone of certain shows.
by Anonymous | reply 213 | April 19, 2021 12:33 AM |
Megan McTavish certainly didn’t help, but Brian Frons killed AMC.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | April 19, 2021 12:44 AM |
R214 Yes, I HATE that man.
by Anonymous | reply 215 | April 19, 2021 12:51 AM |
[quote]Megan McTavish certainly didn’t help, but Brian Frons killed AMC.
Not excusing McTavish or any writer or producer, but sometimes writers and EPs get blamed for decisions that are out of their control. Sometimes writers are out of their element and sometimes they are petty as fuck, but if the network or whoever is signing the checks is telling you to do x y z, you do it. Writers with autonomy are the exception and not the rule.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | April 19, 2021 1:02 AM |
The last two writers who made an impact on ATWT were Marland and Sheffer. I vastly prefer Marland. His quality showed through during his entire tenure (except for that endless Carolyn Crawford murder mystery). Sheffer had a great first year-and-a-half, really shaking things up. But then he just ran out of ideas. It's interesting that both writers gave new life to the character of perpetual victim Barbara Ryan.
by Anonymous | reply 217 | April 19, 2021 1:11 AM |
[quote] but sometimes writers and EPs get blamed for decisions that are out of their control.
Huge chunks of things that viewers blame Pam Long for especially re: the Bauers and some of the Marland/Dobson era characters are decisions that were made by CBS or P&G.
by Anonymous | reply 218 | April 19, 2021 1:16 AM |
Every P&G thread always winds up with a litany of complaints about the change of the "Amanda Spaulding" character
You guys need to GET OVER IT - it is so repetitive.
You HATED the character - WE GET IT
Now GET OVER IT
by Anonymous | reply 219 | April 19, 2021 1:22 AM |
Pam Long gets a bad rap for marginalizing the Bauers, but it's true that much of that was out of her control. She had big story plans for Don Stewart and Beverlee McKinsey, but Stewart was not having it and wanted to be paired with younger actresses. And of course, there was the loss of Charita Bauer. I do think Hope and/or Hillary should've been spared, as they were demographically desirable characters. Killing off Hillary and writing Hope off into oblivion made zero sense.
by Anonymous | reply 220 | April 19, 2021 1:23 AM |
Eldergays, did you prefer Wyndham or Strasser? Personally I think Wyndham is a better actress, but Strasser really made that role. However, I could never have seen Strasser with Doug Watson or being a rival for McKinsey.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | April 19, 2021 1:28 AM |
Let alone being Amanda and Matthew's mom, falling for Carl, being terrorized by Justine ...
by Anonymous | reply 222 | April 19, 2021 1:30 AM |
Fans are inconsistent. No wonder the writers and producers and network execs sit and laugh at us.
by Anonymous | reply 223 | April 19, 2021 1:33 AM |
Is Nicolas costed alive? Still working?
by Anonymous | reply 224 | April 19, 2021 1:38 AM |
I wonder if Strasser has continued as Rachel, if Lemay and Rauch would've eventually canned her along with Courtney. Strasser's acting was about on par with Courtney's melodramatic, soapy acting that Lemay and Rauch hated.
by Anonymous | reply 225 | April 19, 2021 1:41 AM |
Strasser's Rachel was basically Erica Kane. She was childlike, petty and vindictive with daddy issues. Wyndham's Rachel was, in the beginning, lethal and deadly serious about what she wanted out of life, but she was older and no longer a little girl, which made it easier to transition into the Rachel that we all came to know.
Strasser was a good actress and could have played an older, more adult Rachel, but it is one of those things that you can never truly know.
by Anonymous | reply 226 | April 19, 2021 1:45 AM |
Rauch did replace Strasser's Dorian with Elaine Princi's but she was no where near as good or iconic.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | April 19, 2021 1:48 AM |
Princi was a much superior Dorian.
by Anonymous | reply 228 | April 19, 2021 1:50 AM |
Strasser made the character of Rachel one of the icons of daytime. Her villainy made the Alice/Steve/Rachel triangle one of the all-time classic storylines. She had amazing chemistry with Connie Ford as mother Ada. Wyndham was awful.
by Anonymous | reply 229 | April 19, 2021 1:56 AM |
In case there's a shortage of P&G threads, here's another one someone started yesterday.
by Anonymous | reply 230 | April 19, 2021 2:46 AM |
I can't believe anyone would think Strasser is a better actress than Wyndham. Strasser was good in the paint by the numbers Rachel/Steve/Alice triangle, but Wyndham was absolutely brilliant in the much more interesting and original Rachel/Mac/Iris "triangle." The cartoonish Strasser would've been out of her league with the likes of Watson and McKinsey.
by Anonymous | reply 231 | April 19, 2021 2:50 AM |
I can’t see Robin Strasser segueing into a matriarch presence like Wyndham sort of did in the Swajeski era.
by Anonymous | reply 232 | April 19, 2021 3:48 AM |
You gotta hand it to Vicky Wyndham. She's really in a very elite group of actors who managed to take over a role from an insanely popular leading actor and become very popular themselves. I'm sure there are others, but the ones that come immediately to mind are people like Y&R's Jess Walton and Peter Bergman. Oh and AW's Philece Sempler! JK on that last one!
by Anonymous | reply 233 | April 19, 2021 4:17 AM |
I actually feel sorry for Philece Sampler. It's hard to follow Anna Stuart.
by Anonymous | reply 234 | April 19, 2021 4:49 AM |
Is it cheating to say Drake H. from DAYS, since he technically ended up not playing the role of Roman Brady? Even though he totally did for five years?
by Anonymous | reply 235 | April 19, 2021 5:00 AM |
Sofia Landon Geier should have been the recast Donna-yes I know she played Jennifer Thatcher a couple of years before that, but that character was a nonentity.
Or she should have played Donna’s cousin.
by Anonymous | reply 236 | April 19, 2021 5:45 AM |
Philece was wonderful as Donna Love.
by Anonymous | reply 237 | April 19, 2021 6:00 AM |
[quote]Is Nicolas costed alive? Still working?
I don't know if he's still acting, but I know he just released his autobiography:
by Anonymous | reply 238 | April 19, 2021 11:56 AM |
Nicolas COSTER
by Anonymous | reply 239 | April 19, 2021 12:21 PM |
Poor Vee, who’s in the biz. He felt bad after his covid vaccine. How did the industry survive while he was feeling ill? The entire biz shut down! Vee is in the biz.
by Anonymous | reply 240 | April 19, 2021 12:31 PM |
Herpes ZOSTER
by Anonymous | reply 241 | April 19, 2021 1:20 PM |
Why would they cast a man named Santos Ortega to play the patriarch of a midwest, middle class WASP family?
by Anonymous | reply 242 | April 19, 2021 3:46 PM |
Just saw Anthony Herrera on Cosi tv in a double episode of Emergency. He looks so young and handsome.
by Anonymous | reply 243 | April 19, 2021 4:45 PM |
R242 Because despite his name and his father coming from Venezuela, we was white. His father was of Spanish descent and his mother was Irish. Also, there is the simple fact he was an actor playing a role and he looked the part.
by Anonymous | reply 244 | April 19, 2021 5:32 PM |
I never got that, either, R242. And why was a German actor named Stefan Schnabel hired to play someone named Steve Jackson? Was it a story point?
Thanks for the Nicolas Coster heads-up, R238. I just purchased his book on Kindle. He was a sexy daddy who had quite an acting career besides soaps. I’m also curious about his early years in England. I bet he has a thick, uncut beer can British cock.
by Anonymous | reply 245 | April 19, 2021 5:36 PM |
[quote]Why would they cast a man named Santos Ortega to play the patriarch of a midwest, middle class WASP family?
Because most people in 1956 were very woke, Rose.
by Anonymous | reply 246 | April 19, 2021 6:35 PM |
I doubt Irna was very woke. Maybe Santos was slipping her the pinga between martinis.
by Anonymous | reply 247 | April 19, 2021 6:39 PM |
Let us know if there's any soap gossip, R245!
by Anonymous | reply 248 | April 19, 2021 7:15 PM |
r247, have you SEEN Santos Ortega? The opposite of fuckable.
by Anonymous | reply 249 | April 19, 2021 7:23 PM |
R249, with Irna it was all about the pinga.
by Anonymous | reply 250 | April 19, 2021 8:01 PM |
[quote] Every P&G thread always winds up with a litany of complaints about the change of the "Amanda Spaulding" character
Oh, honey, we are a consistent bunch here.
This complaint is popular but doesn't rank with the top two:
Marj Dusay was terrible as Alex (partly disagree)
Ron Raines was terrible as Alan (mostly agree)
by Anonymous | reply 251 | April 19, 2021 9:38 PM |
Dusay wasn’t terrible, just hopelessly one dimensional. And like the fifth replacement in a long running Broadway show.
Raines wasn’t terrible, just terribly miscast as Alan Spaulding. I’d have bought him as Billy Lewis, however.
by Anonymous | reply 252 | April 20, 2021 3:00 AM |
Since I never really saw the originals, I thought Raines and Dusay were good. Though, I did enjoy Joan Collin's take on Alexandria more.
by Anonymous | reply 253 | April 21, 2021 12:36 AM |
Charita Bauer Last TV Interview - September 1984
by Anonymous | reply 254 | April 21, 2021 5:53 PM |