Recollections May Vary, Part VI

Response to R506 on Part V: it wasn't a boyfriend who got her the part on "Suits" - it was her (first white) husband, Trevor Engelson, a fairly well-known producer, who was owed a favour by the (biracial) director of the show. Meghan acknowledged that she "blew the audition" but that she "bonded with the director over being biracial" so he gave her the part, anyway. When, in point of fact, he owed her then-husband a favour, and that's why he gave her a chance.

As soon as Meghan was established in the part after a couple of years, Meghan gave Engelson the shaft and sent back her wedding and engagement rings via FedEx. She was already busily cultivating high-level (and all white) friends in the Toronto social set and had her heart set on a much bigger fish than Engelson, who had already outlived his usefulness to her.

In 2015, when the show was beginning to decline, she headed off to England looking for a "high-profile British man". And what do you know . . .

Good-bye current BF, hot Toronto chef Cory Vitellio, hello Harry Windsor!

Her only real talent is for seizing the main chance and an endless energy for self-promotion.

Only one comment and the Megstans have descended en masse already to grey it out.

From the previous thread:

[quote] I keep saying the best thing for the long-term survival of the monarchy would be for the Queen to outlive Charles.

I'm trying, but the fucker won't die.

About the Invictus Games doc announcement in the previous thread, I thought Harry had shafted them when he signed with NetFlix, meaning he could no longer raise funds for them? I guess this is a way to get the IG some funds?

So how much money does the actual Invictus charity get from this documentary?

I'm betting none at all.

He's not only profiting off his title, he's now profiting off the charity the BRF set up for him to run.

Already greyed out after five posts! Proof that you Klan Grannies are hated by the DL regulars.

The power of Netflix can't be overstated. For them to have a Netflix documentary about the Games will do wonders for publicity and fundraising. No matter what they feel about Harry, there's no way this isn't a massive win for the Games.

Plus he is the IG's big name. They have to grit their teeth and accept it and hopefully they will see some money..

[quote]I keep saying the best thing for the long-term survival of the monarchy would be for the Queen to outlive Charles.

God, don't we know that. I'm amazed we didn't get yet another glib push for constitutional upheaval across the Commonwealth, too.

It is good for Invictus, which is one of the better ideas of the last ten years.

For him, though, it's lame.

Tell all, check.

Invictus, check.

As generators of [italic]new[/italic] content they aren't exactly cranking it out, are they? Same schtick, different pile. The next thing you know she'll be making a triumphant return in the Suits reboot.

R7 - I agree to a degree - it is very good PR for the Games, but it's also Harry making bank off a charity, and, let us face it: this isn't going to pull in the ratings of "The Crown".

Even if I liked, rather than despised Harry, I would be unlikely to watch it.

Yes, Netflix is big and this will fit in with its "We Do Good Works Not Just Lies About The British Royal Family And Quasi Child Porn".

But for H&M to really make bank on their programmes for Netflix, the programmes have to pull in big ratings. As a start, this is likely the right step - cautious and well-intentioned.

What remains to be seen is how well whatever the Harkles do when it has nothing to do with their feud with the Windsors.

I am not a bitter, envious person and have no problem with lucky people enjoying their good fortune. I don't even mind them showing off their wealth. But I am so sick of smug, rich, carefree people parading their compassion and generosity as some sort of moral example to the rest of us.

Richard Palmer has up a tweet reminding everyone that the Queen offered Meghan the opportunity to continue to pursue her acting career (such as it was) but Meghan refused. Meghan and Harry also refused the Queen's offer of a life as private, nonworking royals (like Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie), but they also turned that down. What they wanted was what they knew they needed if they were going to make themselves marketing after bailing: a very public presence.

It was all planned from the beginning.

Another lie that Harry told, speaking of "recollections", is that he "didn't know [he] was trapped until he met Meghan". He is on record as having said in an interview that he was uncertain about life as a working royal, and considered opting out, but that his grandmother persuaded him to stay in and give it a try.

^*make themselves marketable (not marketing)

I think MM planned to give it a shot and would have stayed if it had worked out. But like any job, you quit if it becomes intolerable. And I think what did it for her was having to work with and live around Harry's family and the long term staff who were unwelcoming and standoffish, because they had her number. At a certain point she thought, 'Fuck this, I'm outta here,' and started to plan her exit carrying as much loot and as many secrets as she could.

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R16 Fair to say William was seriously provoked.

ITV have been the Harkles' UK mouthpiece for some time.

When the complete truth comes out about all of this after the death of QEII, I think we are going to be surprised at how rotten and guilty all the parties (Royals, Reporters, Media Editors, Commentators, Courtiers...ete...etc...) involved really are.

People claim the Sussexes are just out to make money which may be true but the real financial winner$ are the British Tabloids. Harry & Meghan could die tomorrow and the tabloids would continue to write about them as they sell and generate click$ just like Diana still generates revenue$ f0r the tabloids.. No one is really remotely interested in the other British Royals for the simple reason that the other British Royals are not interesting.

R19, dumbass, the paps writing about Dimwit and Diva all the time doesn't mean other Royals are not interesting. In fact I find William and Catherine (and their children) much more interesting than the dumb Suckingexx duo - and so do many others who prefer common sense as well as a sense of duty over some obnoxious Me!Me!Me! attitude.

"The Invictus Games Foundation is the owner of the brand and the selector of future Host Cities. It exists to ensure that the Invictus Games continue to adhere to the high standards that have been set. It is responsible for sport & competition management, rules & categorizations and branding. "

R5 - The British Royal Family has NOTHING to do with the Invictus Games Foundation. The Invictus Games Foundation is an entirely separate global entity onto itself.

R20 - Kate and William are more boring than dirty dishwater and do not generate revenue$ for the British Tabloid media.

If what you say is true then the Daily Mail would run ten stories a day on the Cambridges and none on the Sussexes. Since the opposite is true, I would surmise the Cambridges do not generate online click$ nor sell hard copy newspapers for revenue$.

I’d rather have upstanding characters like the Cambridges have than the sleaze of the Suss-exes, R22.

R15 I'm open to the idea that perhaps she wasn't planning a "hard Megxit," but the evidence is compelling that she always planned some return to the US. Despite her claims in interviews leading up to her marriage to Harry where she stated she would giving up her acting career and leaving her 'old life' behind, she actually kept her US PR Team, her LA based acting agent, and her LA Manager. We also now know that her PR was trying to negotiate deals long before Megxit was even allegedly on the agenda (the couple claimed on Oprah they didn't start looking for commercial deals until after the moved from Canada to LA). And it's been reconfirmed (this was known before the wedding) that the Queen had given H&M the option to lead more private lives and for Meghan even to continue acting, but they would not get a Duke/Duchess title. They wanted the title.

Whether or not Megxit was premeditated much earlier than they claim, the original idea is that they'd still be semi-working royals while making their own money based in Canada (later LA). The royals said no not because H&M wanted to be part-time royals but because it was clear they planned to commercialize their titles e.g. openly make money off their royal connections. They knew it would be more profitable for them in the long run if they still had active royal connections. Funny enough the tip off to the royal family was that H&M registered their Sussex Royal brand at the end of 2019 I think & that clearly gave their game plan away. The Queen has always been adamant that the monarchy is not a commercial brand it is part of the governing structure of the UK and its members are public servants not Hollywood celebrities.

Harry obviously didn’t get the memo the entire period of his life, R24. But then again it is becoming more and more apparent that his elevator doesn’t go to the top floor. Me-Again got the memo and promptly chewed it up and spit it out.

R16 I believe Wooton has very good sources within the royal court for a simple reason. Wooton is gay and about 90% of the male staff that work for the royals are gay. I believe he likely moves in the same social circles as his sources. I believe this story because 1) ITV is clearly pro-Meghan and Harry and 2) for months there have been rumours that someone in the British media was acting as mole for H&M giving them a heads up about major royal stories so H&M could release their own stories to try and steal the spotlight. It's very interesting that H&M always have a announcement or appearance lined up right when a major story breaks. The finger has long been pointed at either Tom Bradby or Chris Ship (both from ITV). I've always assumed it would Bradby over Ship as Ship doesn't really have personal connections to the royals, he just reports on them.

r21, It is well known that Invictus was the brain child of Edward Lane-Fox, Prince Harry's former private secretary, who was hired right after Harry's racist/Nazi scandals and who was specifically tasked with with finding projects for Harry which would rehabilitate his image. Lane-Fox came up with several ideas, including Sentibale. He then suggested the idea for Invictus Games after attending an American paralympic event for veterans with Harry in 2013. Lane-Fox designed and produced the whole project from start to finish, with Harry as its private patron

After 15 years with Harry, Lane-Fox abrubtly left Harry's employ soon after Meghan came on the scene, but stayed with Invictus, and is still the head of its organizing committee, among other things.

Harry couldn't organize his way out a paper bag. To think that he is the brains behind Invictus is patently ridiculous, although he has made a very good patron and ambassador for it - so far.

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Wow, the Suss-exes can’t keep family OR employees, R28 (I realize this article only covers SOME of their myriad employee turnover). There seems to be a common denominator in all of their relationship woes, but I can’t quite put my finger on it.....

R29 In the two years H&M were working royals they went through 12 staff (not including the nanny's that left). At any given time the Sussexes never had more than 4 working full-time administrative staff.

Yeah what happened with Sentebale anyhow? Lost or forgotten by the dynamic duo?

That’s just a sad commentary on those two damaged souls, R30.

This is Hazmat's fate. Out of line of succession, divorced with 2 kids, announcing 2nd engagement that no one cares about.

Loius of Luxembourg looks methy.

His family is ridiculously wealthy and isn't he the the guy whose first wife got a very tiny settlement and not enough child support to live comfortably in London? Something about family income/wealth doesn't count as his so the court accepted his very modest income as the basis for the financial settlement.

Yes that's the story r34. His ex wife is very accomplished and earned most of her degrees including a PhD after they were married. They had the first kid out of wedlock and Louis' parents labelled her a whore gold digger. It was a big messy scandal at the time. She has done very well for herself pursuing an actual life and not superficial fame and press.

Anyone who resigns from our employ is RACIST!

"...the Invictus Games are an entirely separate global entity...."

Great! Let's get to what's important -- how much money will global citizen of the world Hazbo make off of them?

Did Harry really tell the fake the fake Greta Thunberg that there's money to be made on the charity circuit? That's really cynical.

Yes he did. It was something like 'there's a lot of money out there in the name of compassion,' with rhe unsaid followup, 'and I'm gonna get some of it.'

I believe MM always intended on monetizing her BRF connection. I think she assumed they could do glamorous events, leave the boring ones for William and Catherine, and do projects that brought in cash. They assumed the Queen would acquiesce.

R31 - Sentebale is still a very active charity.

"do projects that brought in cash."

R40 - Such as??????

Sentebale still lists Harry Sussex as co-founder and active member of the org. But they seem to have a large group of leaders/members so prob don't rely on him too much.

R43 I agree that for MM the goal was always money and fame. Allegedly her "first husband" was the one that got her the gig on Suits because of his connections within the industry. After it was clear the show would last a while and she began established her (all white) high society connections in Toronto, she "told" her husband it was over by sending her wedding ring to him by FedEx with no further explanation (sidenote Lady Colin argues in her book that her first husband's family had serious reservations about Meghan, and you guessed it, she tried to isolate him from his family).

In Toronto she began seeing Cory Vitiello now allegedly they met in 2014 a year after her divorce from her "1st husband" (I say "first husband" because it's alleged she was married before him but had the marriage annulled quickly and the British Press have kept quiet about it). However there is some suggestion she met Cory before and was hooking up with him before she actually ended her marriage with the husband. Anyways Cory had better connections than her and she used them to build her Tig brand. She then allegedly began turning many of his friends against him (oh she also supposedly posted his recipes on her blog claiming them as her own and that was a source of major tension in their reltationship . There is some confusion about when Cory and Meghan ended their relationship and when she and Harry started dating. The official story is she and Cory separated first but the gossip is that she started seeing Harry first and then dropped Cory.

As for the Oprah interview, the aim behind it was to scare the Royal Family into submission and ensure they had a future in the royal family. It has backfired in the UK horrifically for them, particularly Meghan. This is why I suspect that we've gotten a ton of news on Harry but nothing on Meghan. I suspect she is laying low, planning her next move. In both the UK and US Harry remains the real star because of his royal status. Meghan betted on her becoming the sun of that relationship and Harry the moon that orbits her, but she really didn't break through. She is plotting a run for the senate allegedly but she would have to give up her title and I can't see that happening and I also can't see congress granting a resolution allowing her to keep her title and be in public office. Also it's been alleged that as it became apparent Suits was going to end as the ratings were declining and with no other acting prospects, Meghan allegedly told friends she wanted to find a rich British husband to help her fund her political aspirations. After Hilary lost she declared to friends, supposedly, that she was going to be the first woman (and biracial) US President.

Rumblings that some people involved with the Invictus Games are pissed with Harry for effectively monetizing them, making money off their backs.

CHris Ship has apparently deleted this Tweet, but he's alleged that H&M's charitable foundation is paying for the Harkles PR.

I somehow missed this earlier, but this time last year a documentary aired on Channel 5 (UK)

"Harry & Meghan: Two troubled years"

R44, why would a British husband be useful in furthering her goal of winning a political office in the US?

And why would anyone vote for her, as she has no government experience or even a law degree?

R48 - have you heard of the last President named Donald Trump?

R45 I'd tell them to calm down and enjoy the free avalanche of press.

What a startling picture R45. Haz' eyes couldn't be any closer together, thank dog he has somewhat of a nose.

Loathesome charity eater.

Henry, Lord Haw-haw @AmbridgeOrganic · 11h Replying to @UKRoyalTea So he's used his family for money... Used @USMilitary_com graves for publicity.. Now Henry @RoyalFamily is using @WeAreInvictus wounded solders to advance #sussecircus2

FREE avalanche of press? It's the mangled bodies that are the core of this, not NF/Haz/stupid media patting themselves on the back and raking in the money.

Lori Andreasen @LoriAndreasen Replying to @UKRoyalTea He is a one trick retired polo pony. A trick he copied from an American charity with, I suspect, the real work done by staff. I assume working for “ financial independence” isn’t working so he is resorting to blackmail.

It seems it has already been done? Never one original idea between them.

The whole concept of Invictus Games was copied from the US Warrior Project. No, nothing original.

R46- Chris Ship is in an interesting position. He works for people who are pro-Sussex, but on occasion it's been clear his heart isn't in it, and he's actually dared to case a bit of shade, particularly at Meghan after her lies began to become clear.

I'd be very, very, VERY surprised if the Palace would have anything to do with Sunshine Sachs. With Andrew and Epstein in the background, hiring anyone with the remotest tie to the Weinstein company would be broadcast to Jupiter before the ink was dry on the contract.

Ship was either drunk or high when he wrote that. He obviously meant Harry's new ecotourism project, not the Palace's.

But he's right that the money for all Meghan's and Harry's staff isn't coming from the Palace. Presumably they are drawing down from both the foundation and what they've received from Netflix and Spotify so far.

Meghan, of course, is also expecting 450,000 quid from ANL as soon as that case settles. ANL was supposed to submit a request to appeal Warby's judgement by 6 April, but I haven't heard whether or not it did. If the "apology" appears (it was the Mail on Sunday she sued, so I expect we'd have to wait till Sunday to see if it appears), but that's mostly a return in legal fees. The actual damages were promised to an anti-bullying charity and those are limited to 60,000 if I remember.

I'm still curious about their tax situation. Meghan is a US citizen, but Harry's earnings are, so far as I know, taxable in both the US and UK.

I'd love to know what they're actually earning that they can keep and spend, especially given that they're carrying a $9 million mortgage on a huge place requiring constant maintenance (it's a safe bet Harry isn't cleaning the pool and trimming the verge, and that Meghan isn't cleaning the house and doing the laundry). Not to mention the monthly home insurance, car insurance, the nanny, the gardener, the security team . . .

^*cast (not case) a bit of shade

R55 - The IG themselves weren't an original idea. Harry lifted it from a similar American project, Wounded Games.

Neither Harry nor Meghan have ever had an original thought in their brains in their lives.

Why was Part VI started when Part V is still active?

Can we please close out Part V before continuing with this thread.

^*Warrior (not Wounded) Games. Damn this autocorrect!

R60 - Part V was paywalled so that only subscribers could post to it. And it was already well past 500 posts when this occurred.

Common practice - it's a bit unfair to wait and see if a topic is popular and then make it off limits to non-subscribers, especially if a non-subscriber started the thread.

R45 - The "rumblings" should have been foreseen by anyone with half a brain. The excuse will be what good PR it is for the IG. But the truth is, it's to make Harry look good, not the IG, and this isn't going to garner huge ratings.

It's probably also a "test run" of sorts for Harry and Meghan, a cautious start. But that doesn't mean Harry won't get paid for it.

No matter what they do or say or what sort of public gestures they make, the stink of money-grubbing surrounds them.

That's another reason they were so stupid to leave royal life. The cachet of duty, tradition, and underplaying all that privilege masks the smell.

There's something comically paradoxical about trying to cling to royal status to chase money.

Not that it hasn't been done before. But the "royal" bit gets tarnished quickly.

There is something tawdry and sad about Harry trying to earn money off the very charity that once enhanced his aura of noblesse . . .

[quote] ...to wait and see if a topic is popular and then make it off limits to non-subscribers

WTF?

"Recollections May Vary..." has been a series of threads. Of course, they are popular. Otherwise there wouldn't have been a series of them.

And all the other threads of the series have been closed off with the final "THREAD CLOSED" system message.

Starting a new thread when there are still 30 posts to go because you don't want to part with less than $2 or wait a bit until the thread opens up?

Get real.

It was CREATED to give him a purpose and give a focus to his carefully constructed PR, Fox is good at what he does. Now he is just trying to monteize it. Harry is like the addict stripping copper wire from the house he is crashing in.

R64, have you tried Xanax? We can't control others. If you do not enjoy the gossip, there are loads of other threads or hobbies.

R60/R64, calm down.

When a thread reaches 400 or 500+ posts, it becomes almost unusable--unbelievably slow to load and refresh. Someone creating a new thread "early" is doing us all a favor.

I had not heard about the Christmas tree place.

The young are the group the Gruesome Twosome has always gunned for, perplexing as they are middle aged.

r39 That makes him despicable in my eyes. It is becoming clear that for most of his adult life the palace PR machine has shielded the public from seeing the real Prince Harry.

R57 I've always got the sense that Chris Ship really isn't into any of the royals. I sometimes watch Royal Rota on YouTube and he said once that he only took the royal correspondent position because he had grown tired of covering Westminster. But yeah, he's not a Harkle.

Invictus

.....

"Prince Harry will star in front of the camera in the first Netflix show made by the company he set up with his wife."

Find your Royal Name:

Lord Gigi Edamame of Wholefoods

^^^ We need a "What's your royal name?" thread

Lord Charlie Brown Chardonnay of Manly Beach.

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Lol, r78. Nice one.

I started a new thread for What's Your Royal Name? so that this one will stay on track.

Leave your Royal Names here:

Sounds peaceful

Now, now R79! Its perfectly natural for her to have faith, since she has a god-complex.

R69 - I hate to say "I told you so" but I told you so. In previous posts where I said the monarchy now needs a "reset" and they aren't going to get it with Charles, several posters jeered.

The Palace has got to accept the fact that if they want the monarchy to survive, they have to wrench the younger set away from the trendy Sussexes and toward the Cambridges. Yes, the Sussexes are nearing middle-age, but compared to Charles, who simply cannot shake off the aura of an Edwardian trying desperately to fit into a 21st century world, his disastrous marriage, and his failures as a parent where Harry is concerned, the Sussexes appear youthful and in tune with the age's gestalt.

If the Palace sticks with the "natural" line of succession, the monarchy will be finished within half a century. One can argue whether or not that's a good thing, but that's not the current argument.

The piece is probably correct, that Charles' ego and his long wait for the top job will trump concerns for the future of the very institution that gave him his status and his wealth.

The Queen shows no signs of politely dying in her sleep any time over the next five years or so. Britain needs a "new" 80 year-old-monarch like it needs a new pandemic.

The future of the monarchy is the Cambridges. If the Queen and Charles refuse to acknowledge that reality, as they have to their detriment refused to acknowledge so many other realities, when history write the last chapter of the Windsors, this moment will be the last and most crucial crossroad at which they took the wrong turning.

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Of course, R82, why didn't I see it that way?! Here others are celebrating Passover and Easter, they need to get with the program!

The big push today about their security angst still is not going to put the British taxpayer back on the hook and if the family caves, public sentiment should turn. Harry and MeAgain CHOSE to leave Windsor and the Cotswalds, their expenses are on them. Just like Oprah pays her bills, Kanye, etc.

R79 - Yes, her faith is so strong that she hasn't set foot in church since that last disastrous month as a "working" royal.

This is old news being recycled. Her friends put that into the PEOPLE Magazine article, too, including her "growing closeness" to the Archbishop of Canterbury.

And we know how that eventually went. Like all her marks, His Lordship the AoC found out too late how he'd been ruthlessly played by her.

Are these "break-ins" the same ones she used to have in Toronto when she started banging Harry on the regular?

[quote] Sussexes appear youthful and in tune with the age's gestalt

Hardly, she appears to be a bitch and unstable and he appears dishevelled and possibly in need of rehab. Your spin is so implausible.

R86 - Oh, no fear, the UK taxpayer isn't going back on the hook for those two. As for the security alarms - well, perhaps they should have stayed in the UK and kept to their comfortable taxpayer funded life of deferential status, where no one could have breached their lovely five-bedroom home on the Frogmore estate because security paid for by someone else was far better, and demonstrated their "support" for the country that made them both rich and famous for no other reason than their name and status, in said country's darkest hour since WWII.

It's another parallel with Diana, whose death was partly the result of Diana dismissing the Royal Protection Officers she was still entitled to because she believed the poison Martin Bashir sold her about the Palace spying on her.

Their lives would have been filled with wealth, status, comfort, beautiful clothes and homes, and respect. Instead, because Meghan couldn't stand not being in total control and being in the second rather than first rank, they'll spend their lives chasing money, unable to hide that their balloon is filled with hot air.

Kubla, Ulaanbaater, Mongolia, 38 minutes ago

Mercifully they are no longer Britains problem.

Jengreen1, Chester, United Kingdom, 18 minutes ago

It's probably Harry trying to get out.

By me for me, England, United Kingdom, 37 minutes ago

That would not have happened if they remained living in the grounds of Windsor Castle. Not nine times in a year. Makes a mockery of yet another one of their claims about moving for the privacy and safety of family.

Shame that MeMeMe was unable to hide her vicious disposition a bit longer, they could have been in Kensington Palace in that apt slightly bigger than the Cambridges.

The bloke trespassing was very likely paid by Meghs and Hazz to do so so that they can claim they need mooooooooooore security.

Citizen, Cardiff, United Kingdom, 14 minutes ago

It part of Meghan's life the DRAMA and the VICTIM game.. She loves it as without it she is Nothing but a has been tv actress

Crackden, WORCESTERshire, United Kingdom, 38 minutes ago

whining Harry just shut up!! people have died alone in terror due to Covid so stop bleating on!!

Britophile, New Orleans and Esher, United Kingdom, moments ago

His house is listed for rent on Giggster, Montecito Italian Villa, so if that's actually their home, maybe take it off?

R89 - You should have read the polls more closely. The 18-24 group actually voted for Harry as King.

The Windsors have a problem with this age group that the Sussexes don't have. Yes, WE know she's an unstable psychotic bitch with bad hair. But the polls show a different story.

Charles cannot compete with the virtue-signalling Wokesters that the Sussexes are. The Sussexes are, of course, irrelevant in real terms re the succession now. But the polls were taken in Britain, and those who ignore the red flags will find they pay a huge cost later on.

Refusing to respond to the data will eventually cost the Windsors the monarchy, and hand the Harkles a victory that both of them have probably dreamt of often, although neither may be alive to see it 50 years from now.

By 1% over William, R94. Well within the margin of error. Hardly the ringing endorsement you are claiming.

This is quite curious. Nothing with these 2 ever adds up.

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R94 etc, your anti Charles wafflings start to get boring. Seriously, cut it out.

This one goes to the heart of the matter

TinkeringThink, Los Angeles, United States, 8 minutes ago

Notice how only one of those calls had a verifiable purpose of a harmless trespasser on outskirts of property? So, 7-8 were .... false alarms. To use as more shameless blackmail receipts for bank of Pa - and Gayles newsfeed.

Loulou95, Kent, United Kingdom, 44 minutes ago

You two have got millions !!! You didn't want any part of royal life so pay for your own things !!!! Horrid couple

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DAmore, Chicago, United States, 10 minutes ago

Meghan has made sure the wedge between the brothers has deepend to he size of the Grand Canyon...

Her pattern with the Toronto chef was said to be similar, isolating him from family and friends, etc.

Dvdoank, North East, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago

Brace! brace! brace!..MM will have something up her sleeve to grab the limelight again from the W&C

Ah, this explains the timing of the security stories being rolled out in a big PR push today.

R103, will you fuck off and stop spamming the thread with Daily Mail comments.

Of course they rent out their house. It’s why they couldn’t film the Oprah interview there. It was being used by the Montecito Swingers Club.

I wonder if they plan to cut the maid in when cleaning after one of these events. Do you know how hard it is to get pubic hair out of a swimming pool?

R95 - Oh ffs, I didn't say it was a "ringing endorsement". But it isn't the first poll of its kinds to show that the monarchy's support is weakest amongst that group and strongest amongst the oldest Britons, who will take that loyalty with them when they die. Check YouGov's recent polls, as well. You'll see the same trend.

What's your problem? The trend is unmistakable of where the monarchy's weak point is. Charles is a problem, as is half a century of Very Old Monarchs. William is the solution.

That they'll ignore the warning signs and refuse to implement the solution is more than likely.

And, as I said, they will pay heavily for it. Once the Queen dies and Charles and Queen Camilla are in place, polls for retaining the monarchy will start sinking swiftly. I might not bet against William becoming King at 60 or so, but by then it will be too late. I wouldn't put money on George becoming King if Charles is allowed to become King.

I repeat: Britain needs another very old monarch (and contrary to popular hopeful opinion, 80 is NOT the new 60) for another twenty years like it needs a new pandemic.

Could you imagine living in that house after you’ve been exposed to the real thing your entire life? I imagine it would all just seem cheap and fake by comparison. (The dinky stone arches, “stone” rooms, fireplaces, etc.)

Do they need money that badly that they would rent out their home? BTW, $700 a day is very low for what I assume is a photoshoot location, even if it's only for exteriors.

We heard you the twentieth time, anti-Charles troll. As a decades long environmentalist people are finally catchng up to him, so I think he'll be fine. Long live the King.

R109 - Agree with you. Charles will be fine as King.

R108 - I think all the chatter over the renting out of the Sussex home is just made up BS by Klan Grannies, Cambridge supporters, royalist imbeciles and people who just like to read their own posts on social media. I believe that I read somewhere that the house was for "event" rent BEFORE the Sussexes bought it.

[quote} What's your problem?

R106, you might want to brush up on your persuasive techniques, bit lacking.

I thought the same, R107. And the idea that it was rented out for all sorts of things by the HOUR by some Russian oligarch, just gross.

It’ll be fine when Charles is King. Most of the attention will be focused on the Prince and Princess of Wales (a pretty glamorous title itself) and their family anyway.

Quite the flurry of stories to step all over the 10th anniversary of William and Catherine. SO predictable.

Cue the world's smallest violin, Harkles.

Deluge of stories continues, what awful people they are.

WHO is paying for all this PR?

R111 - Your capacity for denial of an obvious problem, on the other hand, isn't lacking at all: it's easily on a par with the monarchy's.

Lol, R116. Your obsessive need to flog one point to an audience mainly outside the UK is curious indeed.

R111 There isn't a single poll put there that doesn't point to the problem of the incresing preference for Wiiliam. It's not my persuasive skills that are at issue: it's your capacity for denial.

It will be fine when Charles is King. He'll be a grandfatherly figure. He's kindly when he speaks. William and Kate will be prominent. Besides which there will probably be a regency at some point, so people will be quite used to Charles in a more prominent role.

More to the point, there is no basis to mess with the hereditary principle. Appearing to pick and choose based on popularity is entering uncharted territory and setting precedent. That's high risk, R106's stubborn insistence that Charles will be the death of the monarchy rests largely on R106's opinion and little understanding of the institution itself or how it functions. Support for monarchy is typically lower in the young and higher in the old... just as typically the old vote and the young Tweet. What is this youthful monarch meant to do, lead streamed fitness classes in the garden at Buckingham Palace? He's not Putin.

Charles hasn't really tangled with anybody on a policy basis for many years, save architects and he's probably in the majority on his views of that. The monarchy's greatest weakness, after Markle running her mouth, is expense and this is the guy who wants to streamline it. When She goes, there will be a flurry of coverage about this decent man and this kindly man and this gentle man. Plus it's instant anyway: the Queen is dead. Long live the King.

Charles will likely be just fine. His formerly kooky seeming interests are right in line with today, even down to the chickens and enviro focus. The WEF uses him as a mouthpiece frequently. He has been a rather overindulgent parent but most large families have an off ne'er-do-well like Harry, and understand it is difficult, with no easy answers.

William will be King one day as well.

What skin do YOU have in the game, R118? You DO recognize that this is primarily a US based board? To what end you are hectoring us is a mystery. You are not very persuasive, you may want to work on that, given your dedication to the "cause."

R118, what you and the Suckses do not seem to grasp is that these things are not decided by polls or social media bots. They are governed by laws, in the case of the Commonwealth it is unlikely that such changes would be attempted. Charles is quite elderly and none of us are going to live forever, on this Earth, anyway. If this is truly your greatest concern in life, how blessed you must be. Do you even live in the UK?

Unclench.

“Catherine, Princess of Wales”

People who think that the monarchy is like a political office and post popularity-poll results as if they mean something are really annoying.

The monarchy is not a horse race, and the British people understand that being 'popular' is not the same thing as serving as the nation's monarch. Should Charles become king, he will be head of state, with all the duties and privileges that entails. Elements of the press will attempt to tear him down, but it is a very different game to attack the monarch rather than a monarch in waiting. There is a reason why the monarch is referred to as Majesty.

Likely shills, R123, it tracks with the strategy of the Suckses. The repeated posts on a US based board are simply silly. By blocking will not lose anything of import.

William, Prince of Wales and Catherine, Princess of Wales sounds so unfamiliar - but they will be referred to as The Prince and Princess of Wales one day, it's inevitable, no matter how annoyed Meghsy and the Meghstans are with it.

And imho, it has got a nice ring to it.

That said, I hope HM The Queen will be with us for another few years to come.

r120 I think Charles reign will be short. I also believe the Queen is likely to live longer than her mother. Around maybe to 104.

The Queen certainly gives every appearance of being in better health than her mother... who appeared frail in the last years of her life. But maybe as you get closer to 100 even the most robust really withers. I have been struck by how small the Queen appears yet she seems robust.

Charles III will very likely not happen to have a Silver Jubilee which is why I think they'll already be celebrating his tenth coronation anniversary in big style. By that time, all eyes will be on the (former) Cambridges, particularly on George and his younger siblings. George will be a young adult then, attending university or pursuing a military career.

Or dancing at Horse Meat.

Charles has got the life. Fine houses, gardens and art, strongly held interests, a good marriage, the curiosity and intellect to study subjects just because, and the best clothes. Well spoken with a soothing voice, when the time comes I think he can deliver consistency and stability.

The interesting bit about Charles's coronation is: Where will Harry be? Will he be back in the UK by then, having divorced Megh? Will he have divorced Megh but still live in the US because of his kids? Or will he still be with the lunatic grifter?

And if he's still with the meghanalomaniac grifter, will he be even invited to the coronation? Because let's face it, there's more of bile and lies to come from the Suckingexes in the future.

R117 - I wouldn't have if you hadn't immediately gotten personal. The way to avoid flogging is not to insult people personally because they hold a different opinion.

I'm flogging the point that you won't address: there are no polls anywhere in which Charles, and even more, Camilla, do not lag far down the line in favour below William and Kate.

Trying to pretend this point is meaningless to the future of the monarchy is absurd.

I don't disagree that Charles may be an obstacle to the long-term survival of the monarchy, but I also think it would be wrong for him to stand aside because it then moves the royal succession from the hereditary principle to a popularity contest. Whether you agree with hereditary or not, that's the whole basis of the monarchy and once you undermine that, what's the point. I think that would actually pose a bigger threat to the monarchy than Charles being king for a couple years because lets face it, Charles will be pushing 80 by the time he is monarch and I don't see him living as long as his mother or father.

Exactly R134. Turning the monarchy into "Who's the Favorite Royal?" will do FAR more damage than King Chuck. And William has reportedly said he hopes he won't be King until his children are grown. He has no plans to leapfrog his father

R123 - Ordinarily, I would agree with you. That's the slippery slope toward celebrity. Thirty years ago, I would have agreed with you for the same reason.

But the monarchy exists now in the world of global social media influence, of Oprah interviews, and a Britain, especially an England, that is unrecognisable from the one that existed when Elizabeth became Queen.

It is possible that twenty years of Charles and Camilla, and then a sixty-year-old William taking the throne, won't bring down the monarchy.

But I doubt it will do the monarchy any favours. And it's possible that it will do it more damage.

Today is not 1953, where crowds watched QEII roll through the streets in a golden coach, draped in ermine and diamonds the size of pigeon's eggs.

Adaptability has, in fact, been one of the factors in the monarchy's survival. Cf. the BRF's swift turnaround when Diana was killed.

They're now faced with another issue: the youth of this country are increasingly disengaged with the institution, and the Sussexes are making bank on that.

It's time to reassess. And I'd be very surprised if they aren't doing so, or that, in light of these polls, whispers about the solution aren't floating about the courtiers' corridors.

R133, most posters on this board are in the US and simply enjoy the gossip. We are not subjects and your arguments are likely to carry more weight elsewhere.

R136, the Sucksess are doing no such thing. In the one poll you cite, the difference with William is 1%, well within the margin of error. In fact, many think Harry should be stripped of titles and REMOVED from the line of succession.

R134 - Those are fair points, although all signs seem to indicate a likelihood of Charles living at least long enough to accede when his mother is finally raptured.

You also have to remember what exceptional medical care the BRF get, that all they eat is organic food grown in their own estates, they take lots of exercise, and are not subjected to the ordinary stresses that wear the rest of us out little by little- maddening traffic, urban congestions, irritating public transport, reconciling household bills, money worries, enough space at home; my guess is that the lockdown was far easier to bear in Highgrove House, the 10-bedroom Georgian mansion of Anmer Hall, and Windsor Castle than in small flats in crowded cities..

Their stresses, especially lately, are wholly apart from the wear and tear on the rest of humanity. It is one reason wealth is so attractive.

R138 - Yes, I know. In fact, I'm one of those who think they should lose their titles and HRHs (they are not both titles: Prince and Duke are the titles, HRH is the rank and style of address). Those are often, however, Daily Express polls and that is a self-selected readership.

I would guess that one reason the Queen didn't take those titles and honours is because of the polls carried out by established polling agencies, and a reasonable assumption that if she left Prince Andrew his, but took Harry's (it is only Harry's, Meghan only has it by courtesy, the Queen only has to take Harry's for Meghan to lose hers), the screams of Racism! would be heard in Outer Space.

The time to take them was when the arseholes bailed. That window has closed.

If she didn't take them after that interview, or after Harry and Meghan prodded Gayle King to talk to the press about personal conversations amongst Harry, his father, and his brother, and conveying the Sussex's threats that if Harry's "concerns" weren't addressed, he'd release more bad PR on the BRF, then she isn't ever going to take them.

If attempted outright blackmail didn't do it. nothing will.

Charles is also mush when it comes to his sons. William is the one with backbone, and he isn't loaded with guilt the way Charles is over Harry, and William has a wife and three children to protect.

Putting Charles in charge and vulnerable to Harry's blandishments is incredibly stupid. I'd wager Charles hasn't even changed his will yet to cut Harry and his kids out.

R137 - I believe there are quite a few Britons on DL. And we also enjoy the gossip. But, yes, there are different layers of argument amongst us. One would hope it would, well, you know, enrich the gossip.

I suspect, R140, that within a few years, Harry will be quietly living on the estate that Charles was preparing for him. He has never been "right" and his marriage is clearly not going to last. She will ghost him when the opportunity presents itself and whilst there is money to divide.

So then let's talk polling.

Who should succeed:

July 2019 - Charles 36, William 39 (3 point difference); Jan. 2020 - Charles 39, William 36 (3 point difference, in Charles' favour this time; June 2020 tied, 37; December 2020 William 40, Charles 32 (6 point advantage, William).

Nothing suggests your end of days theory has any merit. If anything, essentially flat for eighteen months, with a modest swing in one direction at the end of last year. That would need to be tested. But for you to be a right as you think you are, you would have to see a solid SUSTAINED favour for William, which there is not.

This was not a who is your favourite poll, this asked, who should succeed the Queen.

Here, Do you think Britain should continue to have a monarchy in the future, or should it be replaced with an elected head of state?

Of four age categories, unsurprisingly, only one swung in favour of an elected head of state - ages 18 - 24 - and that was elected 42, monarchy 37. So a five point gap. 21% undecided in that category but it's generally accepted in the end undecided splits most frequently on a track similar to the decided. So you gotta figure the respondents all understood the horrible spectre of King Charles was part of the question.

The polls do not support your stubborn obsession with the notion that Charles is end of days. It is always about the question. Popularity rankings are not the same as being asked if you support continued monarchy or the more mischievous who should be king.

I might get some slack from this but just my honest opinion: I feel like the Queen should have basically turn over the role of monarch (though a regency because the Queen will not abdicate) to Charles after she beat Victoria's record. It would have allowed the public to get use to the idea of Charles in the center seat and to build up his popularity while the Queen stayed in the background coming out for major events only as a way to signal of her approval of Charles.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R145, there is considerable speculation she will... but yet they are also planning the 70th Jubilee in 2022, when she will be 96. Sometimes I think, as long as she's got her marbles, she's just like MINE.

It is a hereditary monarchy so the endless posts about polling have little impact on what will take place. Several have posted to this effect, yet more posts are made about the same polls, over and over.

I have never been a fan of Dan Wooton but he swung for the fences with that piece.

Had MeMe not entered the picture it is tempting to think it would all be different, or would Harry have been seething underneath?

Jupiter Io, Dark Skies, United Kingdom, about 5 hours ago

Harry has let William and his family down for years with his behaviour. Im sorry to say they have indulged his bad behaviour and the courtiers have obviously worked hard to cover it up and paint him in a flattering light for the public when they have been able. But the real Harry is who we are seeing now and leopards dont change their spots.

So much work went into crafting an image for Harry and creating work for him to do. His attempt to monetize his connection with the IG is so distasteful. After that and trashing his family a la Jerry Springer, what will be left? We all suspect, reality tv, similar to the Kartrashians. That seems to be the goal, notoriety rather than dignity. The claims of "service" and a desire for "privacy" are so hypocritical as to beg description. They are loathesome and deserve one another.

The poor children growing up with no family relationships to counter the toxic parents. And these last years with his grandparents meant nothing to Harry if he recorded that interview while his grandfather was so ill. To torment his grandmother under such circumstances and attempt to globally humiliate his family so as to shake them down for money at such a time is disgusting. The love of money IS the root of the evil the Harkles do.

Harry DID look quite uncomfortable but cooperated in the interview anyway. And to what end, they harmed their own images rather than set themselves up for the future. Burning bridges left and right without thought for the future, like petulant middle aged children. Few will want to do business with or socialize with them when they are clearly vengeful and indiscrete.

R134 I think the burden of that kind of fame, and all the duty it entails, must be stressful. I really do. We just can’t relate. In that regard, I can understand why someone like Harry would want out. It’s just that it turns out he still wants the fame, money, and privilege, just on his own terms. He could have lived a quiet, private, relatively modest life if he chose, and would have been respected for it.

Yes R83, whatever you say. Over and over and over again.

Additionally, R150, the fact that the Queen has cut back her public schedule given her age, the rest of the family should be more active in taking up the slack, if for no other reason than to honor their mother and grandmother's service to the nation. Harry absconding as quickly as he did, and his subsequent hostile behavior, are entirely inappropriate for someone who holds the rank of Royal Highness.

Aside from her mother, Megs doesn't seem to have any sort of relationship with her family. Didn't that send up some warning flares for Harry?

It seems likely that William and Catherine will continue to primarily use the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge titles even tho they will also become Price and Princess of Wales upon Charles' succession. Their children all use the last name Cambridge at school etc. Why disrupt their identities with a new last name? Also the shadow of Diana is long and Charles being PoW for so long, Wm and Cath may not wish to use Wales for this reason.

I for one want them to use the Wales title. Time for a refresh. And it’s more fun.

R155 don’t make stuff up - you only look stupid.

It’s part of the hereditary principle that when the title holder dies (whether in monarchy or aristocracy) everybody else shuffles up and some peoples’ titles change.

That’s just how it works.

Lol...never misses an opportunity to sue!

R154, Harry offered up his then beloved family as "the family that she never had" so they in turn could be Markled. What a prince, eh?

Litigation seems to be one of their planned income streams. WTAF, whilst they yap on about service and tree hugging (when they get off the private jets, of course!)

R155, what a load of useless bullshit. You really don't get how it works do you?

But for fun, substantiate, will you, this assertion that 'It seems likely that William and Catherine will continue to primarily use the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge titles even tho they will also become Price and Princess of Wales upon Charles' succession.'

What exactly and specifically is the seems that makes this likely?

Lady C on The Queen's Rep 2 verify birthing of Meghan's progeny; her appropriating Irishness - new video

R155 in future replace “it seems likely” with “I think that”. You’ll still look foolish, of course.

Some of you are forgetting that William doesn't automatically become Prince of Wales upon his father's accession to the throne. King Charles would have to declare his eldest son the Prince of Wales at a time he sees fit (or not). The Queen waited about six years before giving Charles the Wales title.

Was this discussed? Was touched on in the Lady C vid. Or was it an April Fool's piece?

[quote] The Queen waited about six years before giving Charles the Wales title.

At which point he was ten years old.

I hope Prince William matures into the title.

He’s pushing 40 as it is, R166.

Does anyone else find it to be the height of hypocrisy that MM is trying to the shut free speech down of PM , while whinging about speaking her "truth?" Vomit inducing.

I just Googled my truth and found this, which made me laugh: Pretentious substitute for "non-negotiable personal opinion."

But does anyone recall how long we've had this malarky circulating? Is it a decade old? More? Less? Did fucking Oprah actually invent it?

Because when you think about it, it's really unhelpful.

R167, that's my point. The Queen did not hold back the title Prince of Wales for any other reason than the boy, at her accession, was a child.

We've basically all agreed that a hereditary monarchy can't be based on polls because it's the slippery slope to celebrity.

That said, it's not madness to point out that 1) it's been done several times already in other hereditary monarchies in Europe, and 2) in extreme circumstances, different approaches may be called for.

The Dutch, Belgian, and Spanish monarchs all stepped aside for their middle-aged sons during the last ten years. And they're hereditary monarchies, too. Granted, Juan Carlos of Spain knew the sheriff would be at the door any moment, and the rising scandals around him, both financial and amorous, made stepping aside and then outright flight the obvious path.

But it does happen. In Japan, Emperor Naruhito's daughter, his only child, was shoved aside as the Japanese court refused to accept a female heir, and "persuaded" his younger brother's wife, to have a third child (although she and her husband were perfectly happy with their two daughters), undoubtedly IVF selected for sex. to ensure a male heir.

Presto: Emperor's legitimate heir shoved aside, nephew substituted. It was crass and cruel as hell, but in the end, they probably did Princess Aiko a favour. She can live something like a saner life. Her mother, Masako, has suffered from clinical depression since she married Naruhito, who swore to protect her from the court, and then stood by while his kids was disinherited - by faceless courtiers.

And Meghan and Harry think THEY had it hard.

^*kid (not kids) was disinherited

R170 - I don't know why she didn't wait longer since Charles was a young man by the time of his Prince of Wales investiture. Maybe a year before the ceremony so that they would have time to plan.

William will have to take on the POW title to signal to the public that he is higher rank than Harry. Harry and Meghan use the Duke/Duchess title, so William and Kate must be styled as Prince/Princess, otherwise it makes them look on equal footing.

The old Daily Beast article also discusses “strong hints” by Harry about inviting the Obamas to his wedding, but not the then current president which would’ve been awkward for Brexit trade negotiations.

“ Who knows if he’ll be invited yet or not—I wouldn’t want to ruin the surprise.”

That Harry, always causing international diplomatic controversies.

R171 - as has been pointed out before in other threads, there is a difference between the British monarch and other European monarchs. First, the British monarch is actually CROWNED as well as ANOINTED with Holy Water from the River Jordan by the Archbishop of Canterbury and (2) Abdication has bad memories within the Windsor family.

Probably precedent... everything is precedent with them... Queen Victoria made her heir PoW about a month after his birth... George V within a year of his father's accession (but he was a grown man with children of his own) and Edward VIII at age 16, a month after his father acceded. So it seems the pattern is you get it quick if Mom or Dad inherits after you're born or as a child if Mom or Dad pops you out while reigning.

The Queen has said she would not step aside and she has not done so, so comparisons to monarchies with different fact patterns are not particularly helpuful.

R170 - Yes, exactly. William will be made Prince of Wales swiftly, not least because he will need the money he'll get by taking over as Duke of Cornwall and its duchy, and its revenues of 21 million or so.

Charles become Duke of Lancaster upon accession (the Queen also got the duchy and its revenues upon accession, but is not called Duchess of Lancaster -at least, I don't think so), and thus, all its revenues, just as he got all the revenues from the Duchy of Cornwall as Prince of Wales.

Charles can't be the King, Duke of Lancaster AND of Cornwall and vacuum up both sets of revenues.

William, as the new Heir Apparent, will need his own money for his grandly upgraded life, and will take over the stewardship of the Duchy of Cornwall and its juicy revenues.

Not making the 40-something William Prince of Wales would be senseless. And the children will use Wales, just as William and Harry did.

There's a story about Princess Margaret's dismayed reaction to finding out her uncle and blown the coop with Mrs Simpson and her father was now King and Emperor.

"I had just learned to spell York (her parents before the Abdication were the Duke and Duchess of York), Y-O-R-K," Margaret said crossly, "and now I am to sign myself 'Magaret' all alone."

Further to R176's point, nothing about Charles' accession could be deemed extreme circumstances. It's roundly expected he'll become king, on account of having waited more than seventy years and being alive. And whatever his quirks, it isn't like he's Harry or anything.

R178 - Yes, I know. We all know what she said in her speech in South Africa when she came of age. My point was that hereditary monarchy or no hereditary monarchy, it is occasionally done when circumstances warrant it.

As it happens, I completely agree, Elizabeth will not step aside unless she really is unable to carry out her duties.

But we're not talking about her stepping aside, we were talking about her bloody fool of an Heir Apparent. At least, I was.

Just pointing out that the term "hereditary monarchy" ain't as bound in cement as one might think.

But in this context, there is nothing tto debate re: the Queen.

R181, it has been discussed extensively that even getting such a change through in just one Commonwealth country, Canada, would not be attempted. So, likely nothing to discuss re: Charles, either. While you characterize him as a bloody fool, baring death, he will become King one day. Back to discussions of Hazbean, who likely never will, much as he wife plots and schemes.

R165 - Dear God. A forty-something shite divorced American actress playing a 20 year old virgin in early 1950s Eire, walking in the footsteps of one of the most beautiful and authentically Irish actresses ever to make the world grateful for Technicolor. This has to be a prank story.

It was, in fact, one of Ford's, and Wayne's, best films. And O'Hara nearly walked off with it.

Yes, we KNOW the discussion about stepping aside is NOT ABOUT THE QUEEN.

It was about Charles stepping aside in the line of succession and remaining Prince of Wales for the rest of his life so that William can succeed the Queen. Can we stop making it sound like I think the Queen ought to step aside?

I don't. I want her hanging on by her fingernails so that Charles has the briefest possible reign. Because, he's an idiot.

I can't wait to hear Meg's Irish accent!!!!

R183 - Yes, we know about the Commonwealth bit. No one said it was likely or easy. But a good many people still think it's a good idea.

And why do you think it would be so hard to get through the core Commonwealth countries? They aren't going to need to hold referendums on it.

Stanley Baldwin managed it quickly and neatly with Edward VIII. The CW countries all cabled back NO to the idea of a morganatic marriage that would leave Simpson married to the King, but not Queen; NO to Simpson becoming Queen. The last option: abdication, it was done and dusted.

[quote] But it does happen. In Japan, Emperor Naruhito's daughter, his only child, was shoved aside as the Japanese court refused to accept a female heir

Which was the reason for the change in the succession, not some dumb popularity polls, you fuckwit @ R171 etc

Seriously, cut it out, you're embarrassing yourself.

Wootton's Open Letter to William in the DM is priceless.

Wootton hates the Sussexes and is going to be going after them with his fangs bared.

That Irish Post story about The Quiet Man remake with Meghan is dated April 1 and at the bottom says the film is due to open on April 1, 2023. Obviously an April Fool.

R176, do you REALLY think R171 aka the Anti Charles III Troll knows about these things?

And even if he did know, he probably thinks these are just minor details.

They're not.

R186, I will indulge you. What, giving specific examples, gives you reason to believe Charles would be on board with your theory?

I loathe Dan Wooten but it was a good piece. Summed up a lot of disperate facts into one sad tale.

The Suckses will continue the tsunami of stories to step all over the family, as always. Such sad and predictable people.

Oh good grief, R171 - you’re only convincing yourself!

And you got it wrong - the then Japanese Crown Prince’s daughter Aiko was not “shoved aside” - she was never the heir to her father because the constitution imposed on Japan after WW2 specified that only males could inherit the throne.

It was handy that Prince Akishino and Princess Kiko produced an (almost certainly sex-selected through IVF) male, but this was to provide an heir as no male babies had been born in the Imperial Family since Akishino himself in the late sixties, not to usurp his female cousin, who has never had succession rights.

Now, on you go with lecturing us about how succession in the House of Windsor should be based on popularity.

Nice night out for the Cambs

The toast to the Queen on Duchy of Lancaster lands is 'The Queen, Duke of Lancaster!'.

OK, so one last time, R186: there was no Canadian Constitution (1982) when VIII abdicated. Any change to the monarchy in Canada now requires the consent of Parliament, the Provinces and the First Nations: one national legislature, ten provincial legislatures and God knows how many First Nations representatives. If they seek to amend the Constitution, everything's up in the air in that country, which would be, with separatist sentiment in Quebec (easily stirred) and even Alberta, potentially ruinous. The last Prime Minister to do anything close to gambling with country was Mulroney and he was reduced to two seats in the subsequent election.

But arguing by your logic a vast majority of Commonwealth citizens very much look forward to King Charles III. No proof needed. I'm just going to say it over and over and over again for the next decade.

What is a “core Commonwealth country”, R186? Is that a legal term or did you just make it up? Like most of the bullshit that you post.

I'd love to see Meghan play that part in The Quiet Man. In one of the film's most famous scenes, the leading man bends her over his knee and spanks her hard.

Maybe R186 has a time machine to take us back to Baldwin times so we can abdicate Charles and save the Crown!

Hard to disagree with this

R199, I'm not saying that maybe R186 should have a time machine so that his mother could have the chance to abort him in time.

Harry is a dreadful human being. He almost deserves to be Markled for the way he has behaved.

Harry behaves like a sulky teen.

Thank God that thanks to William having propagated three times by now there's hardly any chance of Harry becoming King.

King Chucky aka Charles III won't be posing a danger to the monarchy.

A King Henry IX would.

R186 can you please list the “core Commonwealth countries”?

Have you advised them that you’ve changed their constitutions so that referenda are no longer required?

Have you advised Her Majesty?

I thought William and Catherine lived there with George? Jack and Eugenie too?

Hush Hush. Recollections - they may vary.

Hey. Who remembers when it was discovered that Sandy Bullock's ex Jesse James owned a Nazi uniform? And Sandy Noped out of the relationship and he was (rightly) shunned, except by morons and racists. Jesse should hire Harry's PR people, lol.

R186 - I don't think Charles would go along with it at all, which is why I think he's a bloody idiot. He'd rather have his moment in the sun than ensure the survival of the monarchy for his descendants.

No one ever accused Charles of selfless dedication. Remember the Spider Memos? How bloody stupid could one get?!

You vave to be an idiot to be a follower of Lauren's Van Der Post.

The Queen probably won't allow herself to die until he does because she doesn't trust him, either.

But I do appreciate your indulgence.

I think it's the way forward and I think it's doable, but I've never pretended it was going to happen.

^*Laurens

Zap. On ignore

Ah, my recollection was faulty, Eugenie and Jack lived in a different "cottage." William, Catherine and George lived there, with others preceding them. Had MeMe been able to control herself she could have had an enormous apt in Kensington Palace. But, brand building to run for US president too precedence, how selfless! Or deluded! Time will tell, we DO live in very strange times.

Where exactly did this rumor start, about MeAgain wanting to run for US president? It is beyond absurd, even in a nation that elected tRump.

Gosh darn it! If only Megs had bothered to research the royal family, or you know, talk to her bud Eugenie, then she would have known that she and Harry would always rank behind William and Kate and thus not afforded the same perks.

Actually, the apartment being rennovated for them in Kensington Palace was slightly LARGER. But, MeAgain acted out until Frogmore it was.

Who's the flailing spastic who keeps typing 'who is PAYING for this PR' - as if weak rags like Cheatsheet need to be paid to write some half assed article about one of the most famous couples in the world. Do you really think that the press would ignore M and H if left to their own devices? You must be one of the least intelligent people on this website.

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WHO is paying for all this PR?

'Actually, the apartment being rennovated for them in Kensington Palace was slightly LARGER.'

Why are you so obsessed with this? Kensington Palace is an ugly Victorian building that looks like a mental asylum. Hardly a Californian's idea of luxury. Nearly everyone on this thread would rather live in the Montecito house than in Kensington Palace, breathing in the heavily polluted central London air.

Don't try to speak for anyone else, megbot. And please feel free to scroll by posts that bother you.

What is the enabling legislation (UK law), r196?

Incidentally you’re a bit incorrect. In Canada, the House of Commons, the Senate, and 2/3 of provincial legislatures representing over 50% of the national population must approve the amendment. No FN approval is required.

[quote]What is the enabling legislation (UK law), [R196]?

What are you asking?

The relationship between the countries was governed by the Statute of Westminster and the British North America Act until the Constitution was signed into being by the Queen in 1982.

And sorry to pierce your corrective knowledge of Canada but you can't fuck all about the Crown without the First Nations agreement. See above,

3. Why would First Nations consent?

From the Royal Proclamation of 1763 to the Constitution Act, 1982, Indigenous peoples have engaged with the Crown as the representative of non-native government in Canada. The leaders of Canada’s First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples would not easily accede to any change in that relationship.

“Their treaty rights are tied to the Crown. The Crown is their treaty partner,” observes Nathan Tidridge, who has written several books exploring the role of the Crown in Canadian government. “For Indigenous people, the last thing that they would want is for those treaty relationships to be turned over to the settler government. That would complete the colonization enterprise.”

And what if some of the 630 First Nations communities assented, while others refused? How would you measure sufficient consent? Is consent even needed, constitutionally? It would be the biggest headache ever handed to the Supreme Court.

Enough, the Charles should step aside poster, start a new thread.

But that doesn’t mean Canada must consent. Did every Commonwealth nation consent to the 2013 amending legislation?

The formula for amendment is in the Charter. Currently there is no requirement for FN consent and I wouldn’t assume otherwise. The SCC has no power to amend the Charter.

R221 Canadian has three amending formulas in it's Constitution: The "office of the Queen" aka the Monarchy and the office of the Governor General is behind the 100% amending formula.

Well...

The Succession to the Throne Act, 2013, which has the long title An Act to assent to alterations in the law touching the Succession to the Throne (Bill C-53),[2] (the Act) was passed by the Parliament of Canada to give assent to the Succession to the Crown Bill, which was intended to change the line of succession to the Canadian throne and was passed with amendments by the UK parliament on 25 April 2013. Bill C-53 was presented and received its first reading in the House of Commons on 31 January 2013 and received Royal Assent on 27 March of the same year. The Act was brought into force by the Governor General-in-Council on 26 March 2015.

Why r226, is that relevant to your point? Frankly if the UK parliament wanted to amend their line of succession, they would do so. I doubt they would care about Commonwealth countries if it were in the UK’s best interests. It’s just a nice formality.

Take it elsewhere! You were indulged, succession over-poster and have MORE than abused everyone's good will. Start a thread or be blocked by even more.

The First Nations Treaties are not with the Governmernt of Canada... they are with the Crown. Their rights in treaty have been acknowledged the Constitution and by the courts.

If Canada were to consider removing the monarch as its head of state, this would demand a constitutional change — requiring all the provinces to agree (those screams you hear are the ghosts of Meech Lake and the Charlottetown Accord).

This would, of course, be difficult in itself, but Indigenous people would have to be consulted. Under section 35 of Canada’s Constitution, anything that affects treaty and Indigenous rights has to be negotiated and obtain “free, prior, and informed consent” from Indigenous leaders.

In essence, the treaties would have to be negotiated.

This sounds like a good idea to me, because unlike 150 years ago, our communities have lawyers. We’d definitely get a much fairer deal.

If Canada went so far as to eliminate the monarch without Indigenous consultation, the result would be contentious but fairly simple.

The treaties, alongside Canada’s claim to land negotiated through these agreements and under the Royal Proclamation, would become null. All that would be left is Indigenous title.

Before anyone argues with me, consult the 1997 Delgamuukw case, in which the Supreme Court determined that Indigenous title predates and pre-exists British title.

Without the Crown, all of Canada reverts to Indigenous land.

What was the importance of the Crown again?

R225:

[quote]Did every Commonwealth nation consent to the 2013 amending legislation?

Yes.

"The Prime Minster announced at the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Perth on 28 October 2011 that, with the agreement of the fifteen other Commonwealth Realms of which Her Majesty is also Head of State, the United Kingdom would change the rules of royal succession to end the system of male preference primogeniture and the bar on those who marry Roman Catholics from succeeding to the Throne. At that meeting, the Prime Minister said: “Firstly, we will end the male primogeniture rule, so that in future the order of succession should be determined simply by order of birth….” [...]

"12.On 2 December 2012 the Government received final agreement in writing from the Prime Ministers and Cabinet Secretaries of all the other fifteen Commonwealth Realms, regarding all three elements in the reform of the rules governing royal succession."

So you're wrong on Commonwealth realms approving the changes to the Line of Succession.

You're wrong on the Canadian process for amending anything about the Constitution.

You're wrong on the status of First Nations relating to the Canadian Constitution, under which changes to the Crown fall (see point one.)

Where does that leave us, dear, other than with your undiagnosed Aspergers?

R227 The Succession Act 2013 may not be constitutional. The Ontario Superior Court Ruled it was not, the Quebec Superior Court ruled it was, and Supreme Court declined the case on the grounds that William & Kate's first child was a boy and it didn't matter anymore. I believe it is constitutional because the preamble in the Constitution Act 1867 and in the Statute Westminster 1931 states that the Monarch of the UK is automatically the Monarch of Canada. That being said, to abolish the monarchy in Canada does require the 100% amending forumla. The Supreme Court confirmed this in 2002.

I don't give a fuck what you believe. You are a selective obsessive. I've blocked you.

And ^ wrong again...

Can you Canadians stop arguing and lets get back to the real topic here.

Amen... the power of the Charles Asperger to drag a thread... if I thought the swivel eyed loons who screech Klan Granny had the brains, I'd guess it was a diversionary tactic.

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Don't know how long this will be up, but a new documentary just aired on ITV tonight called The Queen Unseen. A lot of never seen before private family footage here. It's nice to see the Queen having fun.

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At the crux of it, albeit on a larger scale than usual, this is a story about two brother (or any other esp. blood relatives) that were once closely bonded, but whose relationship is now distant and strained.

I would wager that most posters on this thread have some experience with this (myself included), which might be why we find ourselves so fascinated by proxy.

The reasons for estrangement really don't matter - they are incidental. Even Meghan is incidental; she is an actor (haha) in this play. What matters is how this relationship can be repaired. At some point it will be, altho not perfectly as nothing is perfect.

It is apparent that there is still much love on both sides, even amid the maelstrom. It will be a lesson in forgiveness, probably more on one side than the other. Again, that doesn't matter. What matters is that there is some resolution, and some healing for both parties.

This Adele song is quite apt if you consider the "call" being a wish or heartsong, and not an actual phone call, altho it could go that way too.

I think most of us hope these brothers can resolve their differences at some point. From my own experience I know how painful it is to be estranged from someone with whom you have shared so much.

The BRF is like the Mafia, with the code of Omerta, silence. Harry has done the unforgivable; he has pulled the veil away and let the light in, in a clumsy and entirely self-serving way. That is what William cannot forgive. What happens in the palace stays in the palace.

For fuck's sake - the tedious Titles Troll has wrecked the thread yet again.

R229 - Just so you know, after answering your question re whether Charles would approve my theory, I made not one single further post on the succession issue. The ensuing debate including by Canadians were by others.

And that said, we don't take kindly to prefects and Head Boys here dictating the flow of discussion.

Topics often broaden out from the original post.

Blocking is your privilege. I use it liberally myself.

But those subsequent posts on the succession weren't mine.

And with the second use of the term "indulged" you've begun to sound just a tad like a threatening parent.

So stuff it.

R236 The Speccie piece bites.

I note that His Lordship the Archbishop of Canterbury has imprudent opened his cake hole again to "sympathise" with Harry as if he were in prison, unable to escape his "celebrity" by virtue of having been born a member of the BRF.

Doesn't the stupid man realise that Harry doesn't want to lose it, just to monetise it and that without it he'd be a used car salesman in Yorkshire?

No wonder the CoE is in so dire straits these days.

I believe the AoC was one of Meghan's easy marks.

Only, he's the Sovreign's Archbishop, not Harry's. The Queen should call him and tell him to shut it where her family is concerned.

Before he turns into Justin a Beckett.

R194 But no begowned and bejewelled Kate?

Shame.

Prince Philip has just died. Shit gets real.

r248 Oh my...

R249 - Well, now we really do have new material.

So, what do we think? Will Harry come to the funeral (unable, of course, to wear his military garb, but just dressed in black morning suit like the rest of his cousins), or will he just plead pregnant wife, COVID risk, etc. and skip it?

Now we know why Charles looked teary when he left his father's hospital bed a couple of months ago. The old man must have known he wouldn't make it much farther, and I'd give a good deal to know if he said anything about Harry in that half hour.

COVID will ensure a far more private funeral than might have been expected for Britain's Prince Consort of 75 years or so. Then the Queen will disappear for the requisite three months, and it will be up to the Cornwalls and Cambridges to keep the side up.

I wonder if the loss of her partner of so long will impact the Queen's will to stay on. It does happen, you know, though it's not a given.

How long 'til the Queen follows suit? They weren't exactly co-habitating, so I don't think the shock will be as great as it is with most elderly couples. But still...

I fear for the King Charles Troll's sanity.

R242 - Just for the record, I hope they don't patch things up, because as long as Harry is attached to Meghan and her agenda, she and Harry will remain a danger to Harry's family.

No concessions whatsoever should be given to the traitorous, lying Harkles. Including getting matey again with the Cambridges as if Harry hadn't stood by and watch his wife lie about his family and throw William's wife under the bus.

R251 - Thank you for your concern. As it happens, I'll be fine either way.

The Not King Charles Please troll.

It's not really Meghan's business to involve herself in any memorial for her husband's grandfather. Let's hope for once she exercises good taste and stays away.

Did Philip know about the latest Sussex drama? They should have cancelled the Oprah interview when he went into hospital. Now they'll be forever connected with his death, maybe rightly so.

Oh, Smitty, you always know how to make me laugh!, R254.

Hey HazMat you want to be of service? Pretty sure y'all could take the rest of your lives and never come close to Philip.

Harry should be held to account for what he did at the end of his grandfather's life and the distraction he posed to his grandmother at this time.

Is Sunshine Sucks going to flood the interwebs with stories of how much HazBean WUUUVs his grandfather?

Instead of showing compassion for his grandmother in recent months, or spending time with them, he attempted to burn the family biz to the ground and had the balls to blackmail them before the world while posign as a HUMANITARIAN.

Harry is done. He should never be allowed back in the family.

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Harry will not be attending the funeral. Instead, he will do like Remembrance Day and have the press film him at someone else’s funeral.

Decent people should SHUN Hazmat and MeMeMe. Oh wait, they already do!

There's quite a correction opportunity here for them - they and the kid should return for the funeral and make up with everyone fast. Otherwise they'll be forgotten soon and their missteps of the last year will haunt them forever.

They recorded the interview WHILE he was hospitalized then threatened to continue leaking if their demands were not met. God forbid the Queen be able to focus on things other than middle aged Harry's tantrums. I knew a narc like this, if anyone else had a genuine medical emergency they would act out to draw all the attention at a moment of vulnerability for another. Harry wants to pose as some champion of mental health and military vets? His ACTIONS make that laughable. He had not seen his grandparents in a YEAR and knew full well that his actions were causing additional stress and distraction. Harry is a damaged and damaging as his wife. The Palace should not have done such a good job of covering up his true nature.

Not happening, R263. MM's fate with the BRF is done and dusted.

[quote] There's quite a correction opportunity here for them - they and the kid should return for the funeral and make up with everyone fast. Otherwise they'll be forgotten soon and their missteps of the last year will haunt them forever.

Knowing he recorded that interview WHILE his 99 year old grandfather was in hospital, and his even more despicable behavior afterward, how do you think the REST of the family feels not just about his actions but his TIMING now?!!! You think anyone wants to see MARKLE swanning about in their time of grief, one which may have been hastened by the Harkles?

When is the will reading?

She won't come citing the doctor's advice and probably claiming she's unvaccinated (which may or may not be true.) Don't know if he goes.

Has anybody asked if Meghan's OK?

If they haven't there'll be a leak, soon enough.

I do not know how Harry will live with himself if there is a shred of decency in him.

He has been at best a source of tremendous strain overshadowing a time that should have been focused on Phillip. At worst, he hastened his death with his conduct.

Harry called the BRF "the family she never had" and look what he has done. Quite similar to the stress put on Thomas Markle whilst he was having cardiac issues. Now Phillip is DEAD, the Queen has had to focus on Harry and Harry is going to tell us about how we should live and MENTAL HEALTH? I do not think it will fly.

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Piers was right about this too.

[quote]Harry called the BRF "the family she never had"

Actually, when you think how it turned out with her original family, and now the Windsors, for once Harry got it right. Business as usual for Rachel.

TV host Piers Morgan led the call to delay the interview, calling it an "absolute disgrace" that the "whine-athon" from Harry and Meghan will air while Philip remains in hospital.

Conservative MP Bob Blackman told the Mail that he felt the interview was "inappropriate."

MEGHAN MARKLE, PRINCE HARRY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PALACE'S PROBE INTO BULLYING ACCUSATIONS: REPORT

"To be doing a tell-all interview screened in the UK when he is in hospital … they are badly advised, to put it mildly," Blackman said. "None of these royal interviews have gone well … and I can’t see this going any better."

Another, unnamed MP, complained of the interview, saying they hoped that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex "discover what it is really like to have problems."

The general public has had a mixed reaction, with some agreeing that the interview is poorly-timed.

"I’m disgusted with the way Harry and Markle are treating our Queen, especially with Duke Philip very ill in hospital," one user tweeted.

Another tweeted that, while they don’t believe the show would affect Philip’s health, "it would be very disrespectful to go ahead while he is not well."

Some even called for a social media boycott of the interview due to the timing and Philip's health.

Buckingham Palace reportedly has turned its attention from the interview, and the royal family is instead focused on Philip’s wellbeing.

Imagine this was true. Who makes a loved 99 year old with a serious heart condition "distraught?" Sociopaths, perhaps.

One on hand, if it's plus one there can be all the coverage when the stress of it all causes a rush to hospital, but still there's all the time with them before that "happens". On the other hand, he's there unsupervised if goes alone and God knows what he might figure out. Pros and cons, pros and cons.

It will be surprising if Megs allows Harry to travel solo to the funeral where he'll be out of her control.

If Phillip DIED before the interview was aired, it would have been postponed out of concern for the image of the Harkles. If it contributed to his death, oh well, chance for reconcilliaion! No, does not work that way, Sunshine Sucks. Everyone sees the situation for what it is.

That interivew was the end of the Harkles, compounded by the threats issues by Gayle and their other flying monkeys.

That it was recorded when he was so ill suggests they saw it as an opportunity to shake down his grandmother when vulnerable. Loathesome is the best description of these people.

The Harkles are done with the family even if HazBean attends a funeral. That interview will forever be linked to Phillip's death a month later. Despicable.

Brian Kilmeade connects the death of 99-year-old Prince Philip to Meghan Markle & Prince Harry's Oprah interview: "If you factor in this, there are reports that he was enraged after the interview ... Here he is trying to recover, and then he gets hit with that."

Hate that the Harkles get me to agree with Wooton, Piers and Fox but on this they are right.

Odds on MeAgain swanning in to the service?

[QUOTE] That interivew was the end of the Harkles, compounded by the threats issues by Gayle and their other flying monkeys.

You sound mentally ill. Their documentaries for Netflix will raise their profile further. It's the Queen who's nearing the end.

Diana and black Twitter are trending--the Twitter crowd is celebrating Philip's death. Apparently that Fox and Friends douchebag is blaming the interview for pushing Philip into his grave. So this, too, is political.

I wonder how H&M will play it PR-wise.

^ That's offensive. Unfounded and distasteful. What ugly, ugly people.

Wonder if it is true that Harry was asked to come home when Phillip went into the hospital and that Phillip even asked him to come. Instead he did the Oprah interview.

The middle picture of Philip in R286 is the image of William.

Firefly 1 hour ago Harry’s sadness will be unauthentic and unacceptable. Every one in the world knew Prince Phillip would pass away at any minute. He had plenty of time to come back and make things right. Shame on him.

Before I commit, I need to know if there will be adequate security at the funeral.

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NewtonApple, Leics, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago

it was obvious that a man of that age would not survive major surgery and, in truth he lasted longer than I thought he would ....or maybe we just weren't told before. God forbid there should have been any distraction from the planned and maliciously executed attack by his grandson and markle. Even as he was dying they sat whinging to Oprah and divulging whatever tales they could come up with to discredit the royals. The idea of either of them returning to shed mock tears is absurd. Too late for forgiveness and they deserve none.

jackie, Worcester UK, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago

All about Harry again. He is 'determined to be there despite the rift in the family' so all the others have to be polite to this turncoat and be considerate of his feelings instead of feeling free to show their sadness at the loss of their much loved husband, father and grandfather. He should stay away and attend on zoom. He's had enough practice at that .

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I'm shockingly sad about Prince Philip's death. I am not a sentimental person but I think the fuckery that has been the world over the past 12 months has hit me. Regardless your opinion on the monarchy, he's always been there. I really hope the Queen is able to hang in there for a few years yet. Speaking of which, I'm guessing that Philip returned to Windsor to effectively die in comfort although the Queen seemed in such good spirits when she attended a public engagement so I'm wondering if this was entirely expected.

The Sponge, Kent, United Kingdom, moments ago

Like the rest of us, Harry and Meghan knew that Prince Philip was ill, and yet they still decided to attack the royal family. How awful that his last days were marred by their selfishness, and the related stress of their accusations.

expat in Cairo, Cairo, Egypt, moments ago

The Queen and family deserve to be able to gather together to mourn as a family without concern that their every private conversation will be shared by Harry or Meghan to inflate their own position. If they are incapable of doing that simple courtesy, they should not come. Harry's right to be there should not be at the expense or the Queen's peace of mind or the privacy of the loyal family that has supported her and Prince Philip in these last difficult months.

I was watching some coverage and it sounds like Philip allowed to return to Windsor Palace for palliative care. Harry is a totally fucking piece of shit. Attacking his family knowing that his Grandfather was dying.

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Despott 38 minutes ago Imagine living nearly 100 years and one of your last memories is your grandson stabbing you in the back. Harry is a disgrace for not coming back to reconcile. When Philip last got out of hospital it was clear to see he didn't have long left.

Anne Tinkler 44 minutes ago Harry will mourn his Grandfather’s passing for he played an important role in his childhood. He might also regret not making the effort to visit him in the past months when he had the chance.

Bronwyn Doyle Bronwyn Doyle 34 minutes ago He’d need a set of balls to face Great Britain again but his wife is wearing them around her neck.

FFS, stop posting all these Daily Mail comments and tell us your own opinion instead.-

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From another thread

It is a bit eerie how the parallels between Meghan and Wallis keep popping up. Because the Queen Mother for years called Wallis "the woman who killed my husband". And here we are discussing the possibility that another American divorcee who took off with another British royal may have contributed to the stress of the present Queen's very ill husband.

Phillip referred to Markle as "destructive"

I wonder whether William and Catherine will take their kids to the funeral service. Probably not - not because of them being too young (George and Charlotte aren't, Louis, of course, is), but because of Covid restrictions.

They will take the kids to his burial site some time after the funeral, I guess.

Footage on Sky News is hardly showing Harry and NEVER showing Markle, hahahahaha.

Markle, or her handlers, oddly, involke Wallis as much as possible

Anyone with basic human decency would have to agree with this. Phillip was an asshole, esp that pandemic comment, but Harry is a despicable human being.

Beautiful tribute from Barack Obama.

You know what's kind of sad?

Prince Charles was born as HRH Prince Charles of Edinburgh (HM The Queen was being referred to The Princess Elizabeth of Edinburgh by then due to her husband's ducal designation).

Now, because of his father's death, he's The Duke of Edinburgh.

I'm sorry I got it wrong - upon her marriage, her correct title was HRH The Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh

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Maybe William is a better person than I, but I could never forgive my brother for doing what he did, even more so knowing that his grandfather was seriously ill in hospital, and to inflict that trauma on your elderly relatives and bringing the Monarchy into dispute that his grandparents have spent all their working lives for.

If they had any class they would bury the story about them with a quick announcement that the Duke of Sussex will attend the funeral but the Duchess, due to her pregnancy, is unable to fly. Done and dusted.

But that's not them, is it?

No, he isn't, R310. It will be Prince Edward.

The Sussex cunts have finally posted on their Merchwell site.

R315, no. For the time being, it's indeed Prince Charles.

I know, rather weird.

[quote] He also became Duke of Edinburgh on the death of his father on 9 April 2021.

Nasty how the Sussex fuckers don't use a black background for their 'message', but a fucking sepia-toned one.

Then what of all this talk? Accounts vary (as recollections may!) in details, but I thought this was the plan.

With members of the family reluctant to have a phone call with Hazbean, can you imagine having to be in the same room with him, knowing things are likely to get twisted and leaked and show up on American tv? Seems like his presence would greatly ADD to their stress.

I’m afraid he’s got to suck it up and go, and the family has to suck it up and have him.

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Afraid you are right, R322.

It will be interesting to see if this marks a turning point in his deprogramming. If there's anything left of the old Harry, who realizes everything he's done, maybe a few days in family without her, will wake him up a little.

R326 You just know that’s what everyone involved must be thinking.

Not least of all Rasputinette.

Often times, when someone of significance is unable to attend, they send someone to represent them. She could try Oprah or Gayle, since they are complicit and could also gather hidden cam footage for the next interview.

While I'll take this with a grain of salt, but I believe there is probably truth to this & and H&M went forth with the interview knowing Philip would be dead within weeks.

LostControl @LibraryMed Replying to @superscuba83 Seems VERY COLD. Do you think maybe Meghan’s still mad Phillip told Harry that one “steps out with actresses, but you don’t marry them.” Seems Prince Phillip gave very good advice

Someone suggested that Phillip had asked for Harry several weeks ago and Harry was determined to stick to the "schedule" of the July visit.

If they knew and went ahead with that there should NEVER be a way back into the family for him. He made his bed, he can lie in it.

ITV is reporting that Charles and Camilla are entering the Queen's "covid-bubble" to be with her as she mourns.

This is probably behind a paywall but Camilla Tominey gives some behind the scene info:

The Duke was desperate to get out of hospital because he wanted to die at home. The heart procedure was an effort do that and maybe buy him a few months to make it to his birthday. But he didn't care about turning 100 he just wanted to go home. Last week, Philip took a turn for the worst (it's believe the Queen insisted on going the Royal Australian Air Force Commemoration knowing Philip was dying), the Queen opted for him to remain at the castle knowing he'd want to die at home. It's believe Charles (possibly other royals) came to say goodbye over the Easter weekend. The Queen was by Philip's side this morning when he quietly died in his sleep.

Is it possible for someone to pls paste the text from the Telegraph piece?

It is nice that he got to go as he wished.

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R338 This is the best response. That had to say something, but this seems to be literally the least they could have done. I guess they could put "sorry we may have expedited your journey to the grave Grandpa."

Seems he had other plans

I think what little public support H&M did have in the UK is basically done now. As it becomes clearer that Harry and Meghan knew his grandfather was dying but did the Oprah interview anyways and kept publicly bickering with the family, they will never recover from it.

05 March 2021: A friend of the Sussexes tells DailyMail.com exclusively, 'Even if Meghan had the choice to postpone the Oprah special she said she wouldn't because it has absolutely nothing to do with Prince Philip and that this is just an excuse by the palace to keep her muzzled.'

From another thread

The main sit down interview was done on the 16th, and that morning they let the BRF know. Philip was in hospital by the next afternoon.

R342 She just didn’t get it. Amazing.

No, R344, I think she just did not care, about the impact of her actions, or even the optics. NOW the optics are bad and she is furious, not at herself or HazBean but at Phillip, for victimizing her, in her mind.

Why do H&M have to put out a statement abt Philip's death at all? I think it's tacky, actually. Just shows how they are still trying to have one foot in and one foot out of The Firm.

Respectfully, R345, yes there is an element of not caring. But I honestly think she literally doesn’t understand how bad it looks. Because fractured family upbringing? Who knows.

Narcs I have known feel justified in all they do, R347. It is not that they cannot perceive, they can be astute when it is in their interest to be. When her mouthpiece leaked her saying the interview had nothing to do with Prince Phillip, it was because she was going ahead full steam, in furtherance of her goals. She was not going to factor in anyone else nor was she going to allow anyone to make her feel bad about her choices. It is as though they wear goggles that reduce the world to ME and any intimation that they look bad is met with rage. That Phillip was hospitalized the day after they informed the family of the Oprah interview says it all. He may well have lasted to 100 but for Hazbeans. That the family must now tolerate him swooping in is a travesty.

It had nothing to do with Prince Phillip, but everything to do with the BRF of which he has been a part of for 70+ years. Guess Megs will have her mouthpieces twist themselves into knots to justify her callous disregard.

Hmmm. Striking that both Trump and Putin mananged to send more appropriate and warmer condolences than his own grandson. What Obama posted was lovely.

This may explain some of the callous posts on SM by the Sussex flying monkeys, but not the coldness of their own post. They clearly wanted to drive traffic to Archewell.

SMDH

To be fair to M&H, I think the thing on their website is more in the vein of an official announcement rather than condolences--they see themselves as being the US branch of the royals, don't they?

What seems damning to me re Harry is the fact that he didn't make the trip before his grandfather died. It was obviously coming, why didn't he make the effort to see him one last time? I know there are travel restrictions, but surely he could've got round that.

You are allowed to travel to be with the sick and dying. I did this a couple of months ago to be with my dying mother.

[quote] I wonder whether William and Catherine will take their kids to the funeral service.

Louis may be deemed too young, but you can bet the other two, at least, will be there and will behave. The youngest heir needs to be part of history-in-the-making events for the BRF, and it's also a perfect occasion for the Cambridges to show their excellent understanding of the word "family". Not to mention that it is probably a comfort for the Queen to see her great-grandchildren at such a time, especially those in whose hands the line of succession looks safe.

There's no chance Meghan will show. Harry will be lucky if the crowds don't boo him, never mind her. Imagine what it could unleash in her if crowds showed deference to William and Catherine and then openly repudiated her. It will be the bravest thing Harry's done since his mother's funeral if he attends.

As the future Queen, I am obliged to attend and, naturally, accept this as my duty.

I can't imagine anything but unhappy awkwardness between them all. Of course he'll try to ask for money. She will be beside herself but will not doubt have manipulated his emotions to the best of her ability prior to departure. I can see Zara Tindall have a quiet word.

The service will be tiny and private, 30 is the cap, including officiant due to cv. It will take place at St. George's chapel and Phillip will be buried in Frogmore gardens. No big public spectacle and no children.

What is that expression? Actions speak more than the workds of your pr?

His 99 year old grandfather spent a month in the hospital, beginning the day after they informed the family re: the Oprah sit down. He then attempted to blackmail the family publically WHILE his grandfather was so ill. MeAgain, through surrogates, claimed mentiones of his illness were an attempt to "muzzle" her and that the interview had "nothing to do" with Prince Phillip. My sides!

The public and the family will not forget how Harry may have hastened his end and marred his final weeks with his strong arm tactics. To now profess "guilt" is rich indeed, pun intended.

No it's reported he will be placed in the Royal Vault beneath St. George's Chapel

From The Times: 'Philip’s coffin will remain in the vault until the death of the Queen, when they will be buried together in the George VI Memorial Chapel. The chapel, on the north side of the quire of St George’s Chapel, is the last resting place of George VI and Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, and Princess Margaret’s ashes.

I wonder if Meghan will send back her wedding ring via FedEx to Harry at Windsor while he's at the funeral.

Prince Charles has just given a public statement.

Baga Chipz from UK Drag Race has been bullied off Twitter after she had the "audacity" to offer condolences to the Queen.

Spin, Sunshine Sucks, spin.

The Due of Edinburgh's funeral service is expected to take place next weekend, and will likely be private. Prince Harry is said to be making every effort to fly in from California, and has reportedly spoken to Prince Charles, as well as his cousins Princess Eugenie and Princess Beatrice, as he remains"united in grief" with the royal family.

Phillip was hospitalized the day after the family was informed about the Oprah interview. That can never be forgotten. Nor can Harry's continued attempted blackmail through threats through surrogates as he remained in hospital. He may well have made it to 100 but for the Gruesome Twosome and their schemes and plots.

THIS is sociopathic: "Meghan Markle’s friend claims Royal Family are ‘using Prince Philip’s illness as an excuse to muzzle her’

R364 It also appears that it was known that Prince Philip was dying and that he main ambition was to be released to Windsor for palliative care. Harry knew this, Meghan knew and did nothing to stop the interview. The scene in the chicken coup where Harry looks completely out of it lacking any joy was because somewhere in that microbrain of his, he realized what he doing, what he was allowing to happen. Driving a knife through his family while they were "gearing up" for the death of it's most beloved member.

Reportedly he spoke in the interview about having a jet on standby to fly to the UK, R365. He chose not to see Philip while alive and to pull attention to himself and his boundless greed with threats of continued leaks until their demands were met. Even in very recent days he was demanding a public apology to MeMeMe from the family, God forbid they should be allowed to focus on PHILIP or to be left alone in their grief. Perhaps MeMeMe and Dim saw it as a time of vulnerability and thus more ripe for a public shake down?

Harry has never been right. A LOT of excellent PR went into covering up who he really was and creating a far more appealing image. Philip wisely advocated cutting them off cleanly a year ago. Shame he was not listened to. He was hospitalized the DAY AFTER Hazbean informed the family of the Oprah interview. Let that sink in.

"somewhere in that microbrain of his" (I love you) this has taken root. At some point, it will register. She must be wild with panic. He's unsupervised.

Not just once, but repeatedly, R365. And to what end?

Philip's death indicates that there is a lot of support for the BRF and mostly bots supporting the Gruesome Twosome. That Archewell Insta post was extraordinary. PUTIN was warmer. Keep digging MeAgain.

She'll come up with something to prevent him from going, or else have an "emergency" which will compel him to come back early. No way is she going to allow him to be around his family without supervision.

One does wonder how much of that Disney cash benefitted actual elephants and how much went to Sunshine Sucks?

R370 Lady C implied in a recent video that the charity that money was supposed to go to has not seen a penny of it.

Not surprised, R371. All those placed stories and hired bots must be costing someone quite a bit. And they do seem pressed for funds.

So they announced Baby Diana on the 14th of February, told the family and the media about the Oprah interview on the 15th, and Philip went into the hospital on the 16th. It's clear now that Philip was near death for most of that stay, and the palace made semi-public pleas to him to wait on the interview until Philip was out of hospital at least. They also apparently begged him to come home to say goodbye.

And what did Harry do? He went ahead with the damning interview and broad accusations of racism - which, until he asked Oprah to clarify the next day - everyone assumed was dying Philip. He also refused to come back to say goodbye, saying he'd see Philip in July at the statue unveiling, when the family apparently made it clear that Philip would not necessarily last that long.

Harry will never live this down. Unless there was an extraordinary coincidence, it seems that Harry's announcement may have sparked the heart flare up which put Philip in the hospital the next day and on the road to his death two months later. There's no getting around the likelihood that the two events are strongly connected, one leading directly to the next.

I wonder if Harry realizes that he looks like the World's Biggest Asshole right now. If he has a shred of decency left in him, he should certainly feel like the World's Biggest Asshole - but I wonder if he does have that much decency anymore. Probably not.

I wonder if Meghan is secretly celebrating the fact that her insistence on doing the Oprah interview indirectly led to Prince Philip's death.

Quite the contrast btw what William's marriage has brought to the family and what Harry's has cost.

From that ^, this:

"A royal source revealed that the Middletons have also grown close to Charles and his wife, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, saying: “They really are all good friends.”

I really hope that's true. Especially for the children, and George in particular, what a great environment in which to grow up.

Quite a contrast to isolated Archie surrounded by instability and malice.

Can you imagine Meghan at the same event as Carole Middleton, after slagging her daughter? That would have been good.

If just ten per cent of the feeling in R373 captures the feelings of the royal family, then he was presumably told in no uncertain terms how dire things were and asked to stand down for at least awhile. I wonder what convinced him not to? Even in the best case scenario, that contractually they had no capacity to alter the date and the decision was in the hands of the evil American capitalists, they look like shits for getting into bed with them to begin with. Maybe that makes sense of the friends of the couple say the decision is out of their hands (which contractually it probably was.) Still, what a mess. I'd hate to be plotting the communications strategy on this for the royal family because on one hand it would demean the dignity of the funeral but on the other hand you're left with the work of the Woken Wallis of the West framing what goes on between them all.

The thing is too he's probably weak and vulnerable and easily influenced... if they're crafty, if they're really Machiavellian, they could launch a charm and love offensive to soften him, to plant doubt. If their approach to Harry is based on the assumption the divorce is inevitable, it follows you do all you can, implicitly and explicitly, to let him know there's a path back. That's probably the basis for the 'much loved members of the family' schtick. They love Megantointte about as far they could throw her, but it softens him not to exclude her.

It's tricky for her, too, because if he well treated he comes home full of emotion. It's a delicate balance to manipulate him back into place without tipping into appearing to do so as Stockholm Harry re-enters isolation. And her plans usually blow up in her face, so the odds of managing it successfully aren't widely in her favour.

The truth is it may be time to call Scientology.

R379 What, indeed? My guess, apart from their own personal objectives, they're caught up in a grand notion of delivering some kind of global social justice. Ends justify the means type thing.

Nothing like a Messiah complex.

Orca's probably encouraging them to be as crazy as they can, so when it's over she gets the equivalent of the forgiveness tour interview, a la Fergie.

Combined with a victim comples - caring about Philip's illness was just an attempt to MUZZLE the Little Mermaid!

That interview sure was full of dog whistles.

Good thing Meagain's friends felt strongly enough about their muzzling claims to put their names alongside.

In hindsight that particular PR push could not look worse, R387. Then there was this...

They act like children and expect to be absolved of any consequences of their actions.

Harry loves money more than his grandfather. He knew full well the impact the interview would have on a frail 99 year old and never even returned to apologize and say goodbye. This book was MeAgain's mouthpiece. Harry offered "the family she never had" to a woman who was estranged from her own family. Philip was hospitalized the DAY AFTER the Gruesome Twosome called to announce the Oprah interview.

This was the reaction to the pleas to be mindful of Philip's declining health. Sociopathic.

How will MeAgain act out to bring the focus back to her victimhood?

"Receipts" - ugh

As Philip lay dying

"I have talked to her privately. She's grieving privately. This isn't about her. This is about the grandfather she never had. And can I just throw in here with one of my own deep thoughts, like all of us, even though this is early going, she is no doubt praying he died peacefully of natural causes. And she's heartbroken that the privacy of her prayers at Our Lady of the Paparazzi Chapel in Photo-Op-By-the Sea will be invaded by photographers next Friday at sunset. Heartbroken!"

Days before Philip's death the demands and threats continued

Harry continuing his demands and threats in person, and continuing to gather "electronic receipts" cannot be ruled out.

Gail kinda seems like a real life this

[quote]He chose not to see Philip while alive.

Far be it from me to defend the awful behaviour of the Harkles, but this may not be 100% just. It was on the news today that the Queen and Prince Philip were quarantined together, but that to his sorrow the pandemic prevented him from seeing many other members of the family in the months before his death. How many other members who can say, but one coming in from overseas would definitely be on the no-go list even if he were a favourite. He'd have had to quarantine for two or three weeks, and of course MeAgain got pregnant so he wasn't going to do that.

[quote] He'd have had to quarantine for two or three weeks

Not allowed.

Past patterns...

Does anybody believe anything reported via YouTube? I'm actually asking, though, personally, I take one look at those graphics and think 'complete bullshit.'

In both Andrew Morton and Lady C's book, they both mention Toronto police were called to Meghan's house several times after she started dating Harry but there was never any sign of an intruders. Shortly after these calls, Harry released a statement asking for the media to leave Meghan alone (it was the first acknowledgement they were dating)

Is anyone able to cut and paste this article. I think Camilla Tominey is a natural DLer, so I want to hear what she has to say.

The news is reporting Harry is back in the UK?

Here you go, r404

Bristling tensions with Prince Harry remain, But Royal family will wear the mask of unity at Duke's funeral

By Camilla Tominey

The subtle briefings were designed to give Prince Harry the softest possible landing on his arrival back in the UK ahead of his beloved grandfather’s funeral on Saturday.

From sources suggesting he was “united in grief” with the rest of the Royal family following the death of the Duke of Edinburgh, to the couple’s unofficial spokesman Omid Scobie insisting – should anyone be in doubt – that “Harry was incredibly close to Philip”, the Sussex spin machine was in evidence as the displaced Prince prepared for his first transatlantic flight in 13 months.

Members of the Royal family also sought to calm serves ahead of what is feared could be a difficult reunion for the House of Windsor, with a palace source suggesting that the Prince of Wales was particularly looking forward to seeing his youngest son. “It’s been more than a year,” they pointed out.

Yet with Harry, 36, due back in the royal fold without his pregnant wife, Meghan, who will not be flying over from LA on medical advice, how warm is his welcome likely to be?

It is no secret that the Royal family were left universally shellshocked by the couple’s interview with Oprah Winfrey last month, in which they accused an unnamed family member of asking about Archie’s skin tone and blamed “The Firm” for a lack of support.

Harry’s suggestion that Charles and the Duke of Cambridge felt “trapped” in the monarchy is also believed to have caused deep offence among his nearest and dearest – not to mention the fact that the two-hour televised tell-all was broadcast to the world while Prince Philip, 99, was still undergoing treatment in hospital.

With subsequent phone calls between the royal brothers and between Harry and his father described as “unproductive” by Gayle King, the US TV anchor and a friend of the Sussexes, bristling tensions still remain.

The fragile situation was certainly not helped by the statement issued via the Sussexes’ Archewell website on Friday reacting to Duke’s death.

Reading: “In loving memory of His Royal Highness, the Duke of Edinburgh, 1921-2021. Thank you for your service… you will be greatly missed,” the brevity of the message raised eyebrows behind palace gates – as well as the misjudged timing.

As one royal insider explained: “There’s a natural order here and they just ignored it by putting their own statement out, without telling anyone, before the Prince of Wales had even issued a response. Quite a few people read it and thought: “Is that all they’ve got to say?”.”

[Continued]

Yet despite the disquiet over recent events, there is a genuine sense that the family do want to use their former patriarch’s passing as a catalyst for reconciliation. It comes after Sir John Major, the former prime minister, told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show on Sunday that “the friction that we are told has arisen is a friction better ended as speedily as possible”.

According to one royal source: “The funeral will be a unifying moment because it’s about the loss of a beloved father, grandfather and great-grandfather.

“And on top of all that, there’s a real, clear-eyed focus on support for the Queen. It’s all about HM right now. That’s the universal feeling right across all branches of the family.”

Or as another put it: “They know the world will be watching. There will be no outward signs of any tensions whatsoever. The entire focus will be on the Queen, no exceptions. A family unified.”

With the funeral procession and ceremony due to be broadcast live from Windsor Castle, some have even suggested that the Royal family will be able to better hide their emotions because they will be wearing facemasks inside in accordance with coronavirus guidelines.

Much was made of the body language between the Sussexes and the Cambridges during their last royal engagement together at Westminster Abbey on March 9 2020, with some media outlets even employing lip readers to decipher their stilted conversations.

But with the royals expected to walk in silence behind the Duke’s coffin, which will be transported from the State Entrance to St George’s Chapel in a specially adapted Land Rover hearse, little is likely to be given away as they put on brave faces.

Although Mr Scobie insisted that Meghan “had made every effort to travel but unfortunately she did not receive medical clearance,” it is thought the American former actress was highly unlikely to attend for fear of proving too much of a distraction. Thought to be due to give birth to their second child, a girl, as early as next month, the Duchess will remain in Montecito with their son Archie, 23 months. With the guest list limited to 30 under the current covid rules, none of Philip’s great-grandchildren will be attending.

Since he is flying solo, and exempt from the 10-day quarantine for UK arrivals on compassionate grounds, it is thought Harry will stay at Frogmore Cottage in Windsor, still his UK home. It is not known whether he will share the Grade II listed, five-bedroom property with his cousin Princess Eugenie, her husband Jack Brooksbank and their two-month-old son August, to whom it has been sublet, or require them to temporarily move in with Eugenie’s parents, the Duke and Duchess of York, at nearby Royal Lodge.

A large black Cadillac Escalade, known to be used by the Sussexes, left his Californian home shortly after 3.30pm local time (11.30pm GMT) on Saturday, amid rumours it was taking Harry to Los Angeles International Airport. There were a number of scheduled flights to London from LA due to land at Heathrow on Sunday and Monday.

There were unconfirmed rumours he landed in London at around noon on Sunday after an air steward, thought to be from American Airlines, tweeted: “Prince Harry arriving on my Flight from LAX. Not your everyday arrival passenger.”

The Prince is expected to take a coronavirus test before leaving the US and on the second and fifth day after returning to Britain.

The pandemic prevented Harry from returning to his homeland to see his beloved grandfather before his death. The soon-to-be father-of-two will no doubt be keen to ensure that problems that have plagued the patrimonial ties Philip held so dear do not end up becoming endemic.

/END

[quote]the Sussex spin machine was in evidence as the displaced Prince prepared for his first transatlantic flight in 13 months.

That's tacky. That's really tacky.

I wonder if Harry's ready to cut a deal. Hardball time, bitches!

If they're clever they'll put the cheque on top of the coffin as they lower it into the ground.

I declare this backhoe open!

Harry's apparently arrived in Britain and will be staying at Frogmore Cottage. Unclear whether he's sharing with Euge or if they are going next door to their dad's house while Harry is there.

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I love that the air steward blabbed on Twitter.

I think I may not be alone that I would like pictures of Harry arriving back in LA with a black eye.

That new article at the Daily Mail sheds some light on Prince Philip's view of the Harry/Meghan thing, and it was wise and compassionate. Too bad they don't listen.

LInk, R415? Reportedly they do not listen to anyone, not Philip nor Michelle Obama.

[quote]I think I may not be alone that I would like pictures of Harry arriving back in LA with a black eye.

I wouldn't wish a black eye on anybody, but I won't deny I'd giggle.

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[quote]Reportedly they do not listen to anyone, not Philip nor Michelle Obama.

I wouldn't say that. He obviously listens to someone. I can't speak from Mme. Thenardier.

Thanks, R418. Imagine how different it would be if they had not done the interview. Philip was hospitalized the next day. Imagine if they had not kept up what were termed "strong arm" tactics with threats of further leaks and demands for a public apology to MeAgain by the BRF? Although better to know, I suppose than to be under the illusion that Philip being so ill or even dying would change their tactics. After all, MeAgain termed that request as an attempt to "muzzle" her. Horrid excused for human beings. Not sure Hazbean will ever even feel propper shame.

It's too bad Philip wasn't younger and able to perhaps deal more effectively with the situation.

Prince Harry (Andrew Lawrence) and his latest.

^ That's very funny!

I'm surprised that Megs hasn't sued that guy yet.

This is a good piece. Instead of adding so much, Harry and MeMe attempted death by 1000 cuts.

Both William and Harry released statements today. Some people are accusing Harry of trying to steal Wiliam's thunder but I actually think Harry is following the protocol. Charles spoke on Saturday. Andrew, Anne, and Edward all released statements or talked reporters yesterday. William issues a statement first today (as it should be) then Harry, and I'm sure we'll hear from the other grandchildren today or tomorrow. I think Harry is a fucking loathsome rat now, but he appears, for the moment, to be playing the game.

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^ then why do they give interviews?

R428 I think R427 is making a joke about the fact that Meghan and her friends feel the need to spin every royal story so that it's about her.

She could easily call off her dogs and just go silent for a period of time but she just can't. Pathetic.

The Duchess will NOT be muzzled!!

R430 Narcissists have to turn everything back to themselves. The claims of a special bond are absolute bullshit. There have been enough reports to conclude that Philip was very wary of Harry's relationship with her telling him "you step out with an actress, not marry them" and privately referring to her as Wallis (though allegedly not in front of the Queen).

Side note, so it's been speculated that Harry has always carried a bit of a torch for his first girlfriend Chelsy Davis. Allegedly, she didn't want to marry him because she didn't want the pressures of a royal life. It must kill her that after only two years of marriage and about 3.5 years of being together overall, that Harry ultimately gave up royal life. So basically there was no real reason they couldn't have married. I honestly think Chelsy is the one Harry should have married and if he and Meghan divorce, I suspect he and Chelsy might end up together ultimately.

Meghan honestly thinks she's Queen of America now.

For her sake, I sincerely hope not, R432. Harry's deep seated problems are not going to be solved by a romantic relationship. He was a prick to her and a tightwad. I hope she does better.

She thinks she is Queen of the Youth, R433. Mostly paid bot driven.

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[quote]Meghan honestly thinks she's Queen of America now.

Oprah better never see that.

R435 Nice article. God, we could use some of old Philip's advice in our fucked-up world today. Sometimes we do just have to get on with it.

The difference is he lived through his childhood and then a LOT of good decades, by not getting on with it or processing trauma in order to do so, the 17 early years could have been re-lived over and over for his 99 years. I do think some of it was directed at Charles, for someone known to be good with young kids, he was said to be almost cruel to Charles to "toughen him up." But, his life had shown that to be necessary. Life and people are complicated but we are not defined by what hapens to us and victimhood does not have to be an identity. He seemed to laugh a lot and to amuse others, sure seems happier than the Gruesome Twosome.

Does anyone have a source for Philip's cruelty to Charles? I don't know where to look it up.

If this has ANY truth they have even less to whinge about.

R439

R439

Thanks, R441 and R442.

In hindsight, some of his points seem to have some value.

I remember him heading to Africa alone. She must have reeled him back in with her plans for revenge and riches.

NPD?

The purported comments are hilarious and on point

R446-- Thanks for the link. Good read. Funny and accurate. Bunny boiling, hide your pets and kids, bat-shit insane.

This a quote from Gyles Brandreth, Philip's official biographer. He says that a lot of how Catherine performs her role is down to advice from Prince Philip, however, Philip refused to take credit for it because he felt that Catherine was just a natural "level-headed girl."

Which is why Meghan has raw hatred for her. Meghan wasn't capable of doing the job. Katherine is everything Meghan wishes she could be.

I never got a sense that Harry had a relationship with any of William's children. Has anyone seen photos of them interacting? Philip was always playing with kids and there are photos of Charles playing with his boys and with Camilla's grandchildren. Goofy and good with kids was part of the crafted image and him knocking the 2 little boys heads together really blew it apart for me. I do recall him speaking about George as a newborn but can't remember an image of them.

No, I have never seen Harry play with the kids or interact with them in any way . I do know that W&K had a problem with Harry getting drunk in front of the children and they put a stop to that.

Harry has reportedly received inpatient treatment, obviously it was not effective. He is aggressive toward animals and acts very young for his age. Diana was said to be receiving psychiatric treatment from her honeymoon on, I wonder if he might have been affected? I recall William getting a head injury as a child, not sure about Harry. He never outgrew impulsivity. It was understandable that Charles was preparing a country estate for Harry.

R449 not to mention Catherine landed William and I think that's the reason source of Meghan's jealousy. Megz made a dig at Kate on her blog back in 2011 at the royal wedding.

I wonder if it's also Kate has everything Meghan wants but is unwilling to earn. You can't be Kate by acting like Meghan. I shook my head at the references to looking at the camera. When has Markle ever not sought it?

I assume that at least some of them are worried, in addition to angry.

New from Lady C

R456 - Thank you for posting that link. I just finished watching it.

A thoughtful analysis, especially the reminder of the use of the word "madness" from Prince Philip (about the Oprah interview) and how he would have recognized it when he saw it.

It is unfortunate that madness so bookended his life.

Imagine if the Oprah interview had NOT taken place? Philip may well have made it to 100.

Count your blessings if you do not have anyone like this in your family, there are no good choices and it adds tremendous stress to difficult life events.

Wow! The Aussies do not hold back....but 100% true! This is why I couldn't forgive Harry if he was a member of my family.

It is unforgivable, R459. And the fact that Philip was hospitalized the day after the family was told of the Oprah interview should never be forgotten. As was MeAgain's response to his ill health. That Hazbean looked uncomfortable counts for little when the threats and strong arm tactics continued. Just the week before he died they were demanding the family publically apologize to MeMe. Depraved indifference to human life. The humanitarian mask is a fraud.

Disgusting human beings who deserve to be shunned. Sick to death of her "feelings" and delusions.

The Queen undertook an official engagement today, just four days after Philip's death. She's going to be around for a few years yet.

R462 Apparently this was a longstanding appointment to mark the Lord Chamberlain's retirement and the Queen didn't want to disappoint and reschedule. I can't remember who coined this terms but someone said that history should remember Queen Elizabeth II as Elizabeth the Steadfast and I totally agree with this.

[quote]someone said that history should remember Queen Elizabeth II as Elizabeth the Steadfast and I totally agree with this.

"Elizabeth the Steadfast". I love it.

So this thread is paywalled? After all the others have been deleted? On the biggest story in the world right now?

Ok.

Responding to a comment on a closed thread about "why do people want so much for Will and Harry to reconcile?"

"People" don't want to see this tantruming baby get his little way again. It's the media and other hangers-on who puffed this guy up in the first place that desperately want Haz gathered in again. They erected his whole persona of the happy well meaning bit of a lad who would quaff pints with them, but that's all peeled away now. Everyone sees the guy who couldn't be arsed to visit his dying grandfather.

Exactly, R466.

And the Harry who ran about naked at his father's 50th bday party or who threw tantrums at the Trump visit and POW exhibit and who attempted to blackmail his family in front of the world while likely hastening the death of his grandfather and inflicting tremendous stress on his grandmother at a vulnerable time, strategically, cannot be trusted to behave with rectitude and decorum at the funeral, either. Shame it is being televised, gives him a platform for his childish acting out.

From afar...if you do not have someone like this in your family, count your blessings.

Has this thread been paywalled?

Sheesh

Pay the $2.00.

After watching Lady C's video yesterday and her remarks about Philip using the word "madness" when he heard of the Oprah interview, I am starting to believe that MM really is nuts.

Her absolute relentless pursuit of publicity, even after all her lies were exposed, is bizarre.

I can't believe that any truly important, powerful people in Hollywood wouldn't steer clear of her. She's shown herself to be poisonous, untrustworthy and without a shred of self-awareness.

If Lady C's claim that Harry was shocked at Meghan's comments to Oprah and that the Sussex pair fought about it afterwards, how long could it be that Harry begins to wonder at her behavior. I only hope that his concern focuses on the welfare of his children.

Is she nutty as a fruitcake?

She is Jodi A. Level dangerous. Everyone in her path should fear what this bitch may do. They are very lucky to have the money and level of protection and security that they have. I have no doubt she is being monitored 24/7 by M15 or whoever that would fall to in the UK. She is a threat to anyone she feels wronged her,but especially Katherine. Everyone told me I was being ridiculous when i said she was a danger , but that bitch is extremely dangerous and vengeful. Jodi Arias. They even look just alike. Wonky eyes and all. She may even try to hurt Harry , which, fine.

R471 Narcissism is a form of mental illness. 100% MM is a narcissist (as Andrew Morton put it, she has a "astronomical sense of self-worth"). Not only do narcissists crave (need) constant attention, they can be master emotional manipulators. They are always the victim because they cannot do any wrong. I believe that MM has fashioned herself as a "maternal" figure to Harry being the mother figure he lost.

Beautiful photo of the Queen & Prince Philip with 7 of their great-grandchildren. This was taken before Archie was born.

Meghan and Harry allegedly now regret the Oprah interview.........I'm sure Harry does anyway.

Reminds of the line from Rhett Butler to Scarlett: You're like a thief who isn't sorry he stole, but he's terribly, terribly sorry he's going to jail.

R471, he is far from well balanced himself.

Meghan seems delusional, desperate and dangerous. Yet exposure does not lead to correction. That is the level of disconnection with reality. Reminds me of Hilaria Baldwin and her Spanish heritage by way of Boston. When exposed the looney seem to double down.

Cutting off funds to Sunshine Sucks would be beneficial.

I think Harry has set her up to take the blame from the very beginning, and she has very stupidity allowed him to. Before the OW interview it would have worked. Poor dumb, damaged Harry, lead astray by his abusive, grifting wife. She was the one who did 90% of the interview. He is just as repulsive as she is, but more responsible for the damage done to his family. She was only able to do what he allowed her to do. She got played. She is the one who will lose everything. Harry will be never hungry, homeless. His family may hate him now, but they will have to contain him.

Her mouthpiece Scooby had no regrets just days before Philp's death, in fact he was attempting to escalate the threats and pressure. Never forget.

Mr Scobie suggested these moves may continue "if we are seeing a resistance from the Palace towards addressing the issues".

He added: "This tactic may not go away for some time.”

But now, Britons have lashed out at Harry and Meghan saying any further leaks would only look "manipulative and spiteful".

One Express.co.uk reader said: "So, blackmailing your own family to get what you want? Nice."

I don't think Dim is clever enough to set MM up. Anyway, the only reason they regret the interview is that it didn't get them what they wanted

I wonder if there will be just a tinge of awkwardness between the Sussexes and Oprah from now on. Montecito must be a small town.

Oprah doesn't live there year-round. And it's not like either party didn't know they were using the other.

Agree,, R480. She does appear to be the brains of the operation. That said, he will always land on his feet due to family wealth. Her future, after that interview, looks less certain.

This is true.

And ignoring the breach and mailice will not magically turn Harry into a combo of a Boy Scout and Mr. Rogers.

A repair would require contrition, insight and consistent changes in behavior by Harry. Ignoring the harm done by the Harkles and the threat they pose would require the rest of the BRF and those who work for them to share their madness in a folie a deux. Unwise. They were paying Soobie to issue threats just days before Philip died.

Oprah got paid and huge ratings for Gayle and herself. Why would she care if it were a disaster for the Sussexes.

Presumably she expected it to be and did not care.

It is interesting to watch in light of stories that she tapes her interviews using green screens. Makes the overly dramatic "reactions" that much odder.

Seems likely that the Suckses were paid somehow, forensic accounting would be a trove of info exposing their lies and obfuscations.

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^ That's some double- triple spinning and twisting! The desperate duo and minions just keep digging it deeper and wider. Unless Scooby-Doo has gone off on his own to create more drama for his "dook & dutchess-ss-sss".

Does Scooby not recall his threats days before Philip's death? Or does he think we have forgotten already?

Scum. And his employers are worse.

Lovely piece re: Anne

Appearing a little teary-eyed and braving the wet weather, Princess Anne put her best foot forward on Wednesday as she reminisced fondly about learning to sail as a child with her father in the royals' first public engagement since the Duke of Edinburgh's death.

Despite officially being in a two-week period of mourning, the Queen gave permission for her daughter to visit two prestigious yacht clubs on the Isle of Wight, where Prince Philip used to enjoy glamorous days of yacht racing during Cowes Week.

It came as the 94-year-old monarch stoically performed her second royal duty since her husband of 73 years passed away on Friday, formally appointing the former MI5 chief Lord Parker as her new Lord Chamberlain.

The Princess, 70, who went out on the water to watch young sailors undergoing instruction, remembered learning to sail with her father on Bloodhound, a 63ft ocean-going yacht bought for the Royal family at the Duke's request in 1962 and used by them until 1969.

The Duke went to Cowes Week for 50 years and was admiral of the Royal Yacht Squadron and president of the Royal Yachting Association, a position now held by Anne.

Wearing a navy jacket and black trousers, the Princess appeared in good spirits despite her grief when she visited the Royal Yacht Squadron in Cowes and the Royal Victoria Yacht Club at Fishbourne – another club with close royal connections – which is celebrating its 175th anniversary.

Jamie Sheldon, the commodore of the squadron at Cowes, recalled the Duke's last visit six years ago, before he retired from public duties, when he "spoke without a note for 12 or 15 minutes".

Praising Philip's "wonderful and long association" with the island, he added: "And what was his passion? Youth and sailing – and this is our day.”

The Princess recalled how much her father had liked going to the island and encouraging young people to sail. She also shared early memories of attending regattas with her father and his late friend Uffa Fox, an Isle of Wight-based boat designer.

Mr Sheldon asked her about sailing with her father, saying: "Did you both sail on the Flying Fifteen [a British boat designed by Uffa Fox and built in 1948]?"

Anne replied: "I was considered a bit too young and a bit of a nuisance."

Mr Sheldon asked about sailing one of Philip's boats. "Bluebottle? You must have sailed on Bluebottle?

"No. That was early days. I started really with Bloodhound. I regressed to dinghy sailing for a bit and then got a slightly bigger boat," the Princess replied.

Pointing out that meetings used to be held on the Royal Yacht Britannia during Cowes Week, she added: "Days out were great fun. You can understand why he was here regularly."

Anne remains a passionate sailor and won plaudits from those she met on Wednesday for her extensive knowledge of hull designs and all things nautical. Asked to sign the visitors' book at the Royal Victoria Yacht Club, she joked that months of lockdown had made her rusty. "I haven't done this in such a long time I've forgotten how to do it," she said.

On Wednesday, Lord Parker had an audience with the Queen at Windsor Castle where he "kissed hands" upon his appointment as Lord Chamberlain following the retirement of Earl Peel, who held the post of most senior official in the Royal household for 14 years.

As well as him receiving the Ward and Insignia of Office and the Badge of Chancellor of the Royal Victorian Order, the Queen also invested Lord Parker with the Insignia of a Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, according to the Court Circular. It came after she bade a fond farewell to Earl Peel on Tuesday.

I'm not sure narcissism is a mental illness. It is a personality type. And it can't really be treated. Maybe some people don't have the chip to see the world from any other perspective but their own. Personally I think it is a sign of being emotionally limited and less evolved. Like Cro Magnon or something.

She seems literally delusional as well, R493. I have heard of personality disorders referred to as disorders of character. They can be improved a bit with a lot of therapy/training but it requires a lot of motivation and commitment on the part of someone who sees everyone else as the problem. I know an elderly narc who is fairly socially isolated and who seems to have no idea why. Sad but people distance.

R488 skin bleaching and plastic srugery ain't cheap

As an aside, R493, Cro-Magnon were early Homo sapiens, not some kind of unevolved hominid. They buried their dead, made tools, and made statuettes and cave paintings (e.g., Lascaux and Altamira). This isn't the first time I've seen "Cro-Magnon" used this way here, so I thought I'd mention it.

According to the Daily Mirror Prince Harry has contacted Pince Charles, Prince William , Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie about parking any disputes he has with them at the moment so that the funeral presumably can be held without a bad atmosphere.

I found the inclusion of Beatrice and Eugenie curious because I am not aware of even any speculation in the press of him ever having issues or beef with the York sisters .Infact it was speculated that they were his only remaining contacts and people within the family he was on good terms with.

I wonder what lies behind this story?

Oprah asked Meghan if SHE had been paid for the interview and she smirked and said no. I knew they had to have gotten a cut, turns out HazBean was an executive producer. Wonder how much $$$ they got to trash his family and hasten the death of his "beloved" grandfather? The love of money is the root of all evil but these 2 are really off besides. She has crazy eyes.

Harry getting made executive producer on these gigs is just a way to funnel money to them. Wonder where that elephant $ from Disney went?

Okay, so there is a rumour going around that Harry received "a pretty blonde" friend said to be just a 'good friend' checking in on him today. Hmmmmm anyone check on Chelsy Davis' whereabouts

Omg. That would be awesome!!

She can do far better than lifelong fuck up Hazbean.

I think the Palace is attempting to stir up Megsy.

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Chelsy Davy isn't the only blonde in the world. What would she be doing in England? Doesn't she live in South Africa?

The blonde sounds like pure mischief to me.

R502 I doubt the Palace is actively thinking about Meghan right now. Their priority is the funeral and supporting the Queen through this. It's Meghan's people who keep spinning stories about how close Meghan and Philip were, how the Queen understands Meghan won't be there, how Harry is desperately missing Meghan, how is going to flying right back to the US, how in love they are, how Meghan is willing to forgive the royals, how William wasn't taking a shot at Harry in his statement about Philip, how Harry wasn't complaining about not wearing a uniform........

I sometimes wonder if Omid Scabies will turn out to turn on her.

I also still want to know what colour his eye shadow is.

She is exhausting, R506!

What do you think her big drama for Friday and Saturday will be? Surely she has plans.

She’ll go into false labor.

And will Harry rush back, R509? Perhaps by private jet?

It willl be out of grief for Philip, no doubt.

r507 Or they may turn on him first?

Problem is, SA, he knows how the sausages (in this case, the porkies) were made and if it comes to a show down between who do you believe, well, California is unstable ground, isn't it?

Perhaps another program their production company is churning out.

Sorry, R513, not sure what you are referring to?

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Could they be sharing PR? There were some similarities in wording in Harry's statement and that of Eugienie. She has seemed to have a higher profile and to be working with PR and her name comes up frequently in the PR of the Harkles. Now this piece.

R516 Yup. Eugenie is very close to Meghan and Harry (she was friends with Meghan before and allegedly was the one who arranged the introduction to Harry). The sisters York are pissed with both Charles and William because they weren't allowed to become working royals. Eugenie and Beatrice have booth been eyeing moves to the US apparently.

How do you know this information, R517?

Did Bea and Euge tell you when you last got together for white wine spritzers and “Sex & The City” reruns?

R518 I assume R517 just reads the papers in the UK since this has been talked about a bit since the Oprah interview and several papers reported that Beatrice and Eugenie were the first members of the family he reached out to when Philip died and he's staying with Eugenie and Jack. Also Meghan talked about meeting Eugenie before Harry and that they are still good friends in the Oprah interview.

Them being pissed at Charles has been known for years and prior to COVID Beatrice was spending a lot of time in NYC and was at Meghan Baby shower.

Eugenie was in NY at the time, R519, but was not said to attend.

That new spin seems to be part of the recent joint PR push linking them.

At that time the line was still that Misha Nonoo introduced them, it varies quite a bit, "her truth" and Sunshine Sucks like to switch up the facts.

The funny thing about the friendship with Eugenie is that it takes away one of H&M's best points of attack against the BRF. I'm sure Meghan would bring up Andrew at every turn otherwise.

If this is what Sunshine Sucks is putting out, you KNOW it is coming.

Reality tv is the final card to play.

R521 It's said the only reasons Meghan did not bring up Andrew was because of H&M's relationships with Eugenie. I recently read Penny Juror's autobiography about Prince William (it's nearly a decade old now) but shortly before his marriage to Kate, it's alleged that Eugenie and Beatrice confronted William about their future within the monarchy. They were close to William and wanted some "reassurance" that they would have a role within the firm particularly after he becomes King. William wouldn't promise them anything because, wisely so, he couldn't predict the future and how the monarchy operated in the early 2010s might not be the way it operates a few decades later.

Also the York Sisters have never been particularly close with Kate. Like Meghan and Harry, it is suggested the sisters are jealous of the "preferential" treatment Kate gets within the firm that they are "blood princesses" and Kate is merely a commoner but Kate (with Charles' blessing) has been moved into the center spotlight more and more. They feel they have been victims of their father's feud with Charles. They were also said to be pissed that their mother was not invited to William and Kate's wedding.

So I am thinking that Eugenie is absolutely something of a mole within the family and when Charles is King may also do a "tell all."

Like MeGAIN has never burned a friendship before

The linked article at R542 is a perfect example of idiotic Americans taking it upon themselves to comment on that about which they know nothing.

“Some cousin”? Peter Phillips is Philip’s eldest grandchild and first cousin to both William and Harry.

The rest is presumably an attempt at humour but totally disrespectful at this time.

^^^ R522, I mean.

She places no value on friendships or family, R524, you are quite right.

Having repped the Duch of Delusions and Harvey Weinstein, wonder when karma will come for Sunshine Sucks?

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The Harkles and the entire York family need to but cut out of the royal family like a cancerous tumour. The York's won't try anything while the Queen is still alive, but after she's gone I think Eugenie, Beatrice, and Harry (and Meghan if she is still with Harry) will try a Kamikaze attack on the monarchy when Charles is King. They are so jealous, petty and self-important that they can't see that being part of the royal family is the only reason they have relevance. If the monarchy is taken down (which I don't think it will) they are just ex-royals and will fall into total obscurity very quickly.

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Remember Vancouver? None of them watch the company they keep. Nor did his mother, remember when she claimed that slimey Dodi had "all the toys?"

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r519 He isn't staying with Jack and Eugenie. That information is incorrect.

That disinfo seems to be coming from their PR, R534.

Beautiful new photo from the Queen.

They may be losing the youth The Plutonium Show - Oprah Interview Royally Backfires on Meghan & Harry (Podcast #3)

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The way Kate reacted to Harry and playing peace maker to get him to William makes me now completely call BS on Meghan's claims that Kate made her cry.

It was just another in her litany of lies, R539.

Has there been any word re: the lawsuit appeal?

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The Harkles sure do have a lot of flying monkeys in the media.

Words fail me...

R545 = the Duchess of Cambridge.

In R544's photo Diana is looking at William as though she knows he's going to produce Charlotte.

If MeAgain's name comes first that means it is Sunshine Sucks, or MeMe, it is their "tell"

Meghan and Kate 'both played peacemaker with their husbands' ahead of Philip's funeral

Good observation, R548.

Hmmmm, the rent story is curious.

Catherine is gathering more fans...

Oh my, who could have forseen that, esp with the stunting on the steps and the merching of the wreath DURING the procession?

How is leaking about a private note to his father supposed to help anything? If his father responds, will he sue him like his wife?

Ugh this thread is so slow to load.

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I wonder if the baby will be born on July 1, sharing a birthday with you-know-who.

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Bad idea.

Muriel doesn't like that.

Just leave the thread open and do a refresh of the page when new posts are added.

Even as a child, Markle did not seem like a particularly nice or genuine person. She was giving people that look of distain long before Catherine.

It does seem odd that she acted in HS but not at all at Northwestern.

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Are Meghan and Harry washouts?

Oh dear!

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Lady C's last video (before the one at R561) was very funny, and not just for the royal content. She told of a falling out she had with some friend, "and I had her REMOVED from my chartered yacht!"

The telling was funny, the situation was not, woman was some nutter who tried to have the young sons of Lady C removed from her custody on some twisted pretext. There are dangerous people in the world. Narcs hate humiliation so it was an appropriate "neutralizing" tactic. Lady C seems to have a very good relationship with her now adult sons and she lives in a castle, she seems to have a nice life.

That Diana movie is probably their last weapon.

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Apparently "their truth" is entirely divorced from reality

They're updating Finding Freebies... due out this August... how those podcasts coming?

Finding Freedom, a flattering biography of Harry and Meghan, giving their account of their departure from royal life via friends and Sussex sources, is being updated with new chapters. They will cover their interview with Oprah Winfrey, allegations against Meghan over the bullying of royal staff, which she denies, and Prince Philip’s death.

There are no more podcasts coming.

That mortgage iis not going to pay itself, who is backing them?

Why would the photo of Archie going to "school" be from LA? Quite a distance from Montecito.

But weren't they paid to do a series of podcasts for Spotify? How many did they actually do, like one or two? I'm confused.

R570 Don't know, but the English papers tend to confuse Santa Barbara with LA, they lump it all under LA when the two places are distinct.

Well, this just confirms that they really have nothing going on other than this feud of their own creation. Totally pathetic. They both need to grow up and move on.

Oh, and Oprah pats herself on the back: “The reason why it was such a powerful interview—first of all, I know how to ask questions, and you [Nancy] know how to ask questions, we all know how to do our jobs, but what makes it powerful is when you have someone else who is willing to be as open, as vulnerable, as truthful, as they were,” Winfrey said. “So, I don’t give myself credit for that, I give myself credit for asking the questions, but the reason the interview was what it was, was because they answered the way they did.”

One, R571.

I suspect they were not paid the entire sum up front and knowing what we do of the penchant the Harkles have to lie and exaggerate, one cannot take published numbers as gospel.

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I wonder if the updated "Finding Freedom" will go to the discount bin as quickly as the original?

Confirmed: the Daily Mail is appealing their defeat in the "letter trial."

Also Good Morning Britain's Kate Garraway confirmed members of the royal family contacted her about trying to help her husband have access to the royal physician for better medical care (her husband has dealing with COVID for a year). Another nail in Meghan's claim she got no help for mental illness.

r577 Indeed Meghan is trading in caricatures and myths about the royal family rather than the reality.It is strange because it is almost as if she doesnt really know them?

This is just more evidence of the British Royal Family’s RACISM! They help the husband of a white woman they don’t know but Meghan experiences the LITERAL VIOLENCE of being locked in KENSINGTON PRISON for months withOUT A LATTE. KLAN GRANNIES! AND RACISM! AND BUT KATE’S SKIRT! AND RESCUE CHICKENS!

So this must be the threatened ongoing leaks

"We are now hearing that Meghan Markle is to release another book in August. This will be a follow-up to ‘Finding Freedom’ - but much more poisonous.

Already, Markle’s PR people are preparing the launch by releasing mouth-watering snippets. We are being told that this book will be devastating for the Queen – “It will resemble a bomb being placed under the Royal Family.”

R579 Yup They are so racist today the Queen and Sophie Wessex virtually visited a charity helping blind children in Ghana something which Sophie and the Queen have been actively involved with for almost 20 years. You're just another American with blinders on about the state of your own country.

Lol, they DO seem desperate...

Although these piece is a little too gushy in it's praise for Kate it's 100% true:

"In any marriage, teamwork is an essential component, and the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have become more than the sum of their parts.

Meghan’s idea of teamwork is that everyone should work on a team for her, and if they demur she hurls a wrecking ball at her nearest and dearest, or at the very least drags them through the detritus for which she is largely responsible.

It is not surprising that she cannot keep staff or friends, and commands virtually no loyalty except from her husband and a few stooges in the American media."

What a sleazy, money grubbing crew...

She does have difficulty with maintaining relatinships, maybe it was welcoming SW's hubs with spread legs, in public no less!

R585--- And there you have it, the real MM. A low rent whore who will stab anyone in the back to get what she wants , even her friends husband. Garbage human.

R585 That clip says it all. Formerly “close friend” of Meagain, invited to her wedding along with her husband, stalked by her at Wimbledon and the US Open and now denies knowing anything about her.

Of course the Megstans will close in on this post, directed by the hive, but there’s no denying what Serena is saying - it’s all there.

So what do you say, Sussex Squad? Will you be canceling a proud, influential and successful woman if color like Serena Williams for dissing your low rent, whoring, trashy idol? Standing by...

I didn’t interpret that as anything other than wink, wink, nudge, nudge... not going to talk about my friend.

New YouGov poll shows popular support for the monarchy has risen while all the senior royals have seen their popularity rise in the last month EXCEPT for Meghan and Harry. 62% of Brits have a negative opinion of Meghan, 49% have a negative opinion of Harry. Only 17% believe the monarchy should end after the Queen dies.

Are there any photos of Megs and Serena together before Meg married Harry?

They are both Sunshine SUCKS clients, R590, like almost everyone else ever seen in the vicinity of the Harkles.

Lady C is makng BANK on Dim and Duch. Good for her! Anyone been to a wedding at her castle? Looks lovely. Another vid just out...

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