ELECTION 2020, Part 25

FUCK YOU, to the "This COUP is FAR FROM OVER!" trolls!

I would like to see some deep dive analysis on what has turned Iowa and Ohio from blueish and purple states, respectively, to safely red states.

LBJ wasn’t wrong. Dems did lose the South for a generation. It is coming back under Gen X and Millennials as they become the majority voters. Older Gen Xers (over 50) are more conservative than under 50. There is a good split within Gen X age wise about what side of the political fence they fall on. Those born in the 70s tend to favor Dems by a good amount.

DEMS shouldn’t be the ones wondering what went wrong. The MFing republicans just lost the popular vote AGAJN. The suburbs are trending away from them, as well. Dems need mainstream progressive policies to push them to a solid majority. Remember, people were freaked about FDR’s progressive policies until they saw they worked. If you look at what great, wonderful things Dem presidents have left us versus what republicans presidents have it is easy to see even the most moderate Dem is far, far superior to even a moderate republican.

They should also wait for a full postmortem before declaring things one way or the other.

true, but media is addicted to Democrats in Disarray r3. It's the only story they know how to write. Even as Republicans descend into a completely lunatic cult, Democrats and their inability to unite themselves and reach across the aisle remains the theme for media.

DES MOINES, Iowa — Democrats once dominated Koochiching County in the blue-collar Iron Range of northern Minnesota. But in this month's presidential election, President Donald Trump won it with 60% of the vote.

Headline should read: Democrats don’t fight Republican lies strong enough in rural areas.

As a GenX born in the sixties, I would have to agree with r3. It seems like I am the only one with half a brain when I am around people my own age (53). I was a Warren supporter at first because her work with the CFPB benefitted me directly. It was something tangible to me.

Yes, all my old HS and many of my college friends (business majors of course) are fanatical trump supporters. It has cost me some friendships. But they don't see the change coming. As the boomers fade away, they will become the new "Get off my Lawn" generation. And that generation is sorely outnumbered. There are a lot of differences between the millenials and GenZ. But they share a common vision when it comes to many social issues. There just needs to be a little bit more of the boring activism that actually facilitates change like get out the vote efforts.

R3, the Republicans [italic]should[/italic] be worried about losing the popular vote. They should have been worried about that for years now. Instead they've worried about how best to cheat, connive and swindle their way to victory. And I'm not getting the sense that they're learning from their mistakes. The few Republicans we see standing up for norms in political behavior are denounced as RINOs and fired. I'm curious what will happen to Raffensperger in the next election.

I was born in 1978. What generation is that?

Milwaukee County Presidential recount wraps up with Biden adding to his margin over Trump

You're a Xennial.

Here is the unanimous, 21-page opinion by the Third Circuit rejecting the Trump campaign's appeal in the Pennsylvania case, written by (Trump appointee) Judge Bibas:

I'm gonna play contrarian here. If I were a republican (which I'm not), but why would I care about losing the popular vote when the electoral college continues to lean in my favor? Why would I care that my party represents way fewer Americans than the party in the minority, but yet we still control the Senate?

And the party that represents more land mass, didn't really lose all that much a few weeks ago. In fact, they got rid of the big orange albatross around their necks and they got a path back to retaking the House.

So yeah, it's amazing that Uncle Joe got millions and millions more votes (and I would argue a mandate) and we dodged a big fat bullet, but the popular vote is not getting us anywhere. We either need to start voting or we need to start moving our fat blue asses to some red states or we need to start acting like we want it.

Joe ran an amazing campaign and I'm a son of a bitch for complaining about it. But his decency and desire to model good behavior, hindered our GOTV efforts and it cost us a clear win in the Senate and probably cost us Florida. There should have been in person registration drives, door knocking, and in person rallies, pandemic or not. The other side didn't give a fuck about the pandemic and still got over 70 million votes and will likely keep the Senate. So what does that tell you.

PA lieutenant governor John Fetterman needs to get elected as governor or senator and then run for president. Seriously, he has this caveman alpha vibe and a hot young wife, basically he's exactly what we need to make Democrats cool again to straight white men.

R14 is correct: The failure to go door to door registering new Voters and getting out the vote probably cost Democrats the Senate, state legislatures, House seats, and Florida and North Carolina. We need to realize that doing the right thing cost you The election

How Red State Democrats Lost the 2020 Senate Elections

By: Eric Cunningham

On: November 11, 2020

In: Articles

Tagged: 2020 Elections, Al Gross, Barbara Bollier, Jaime Harrison, Senate

One of the biggest stories surrounding the 2020 election was the massive surge in fundraising. ActBlue donations enabled long-shot red state Democrats like Jaime Harrison (~$109 million) and Amy McGrath (~$90 million) to create seemingly competitive contests. Despite favorable polling and Joe Biden’s victory, however, none of them came close to winning on Election Day.

Despite high hopes, Democrats flipped none of the “big three” red state races in Alaska, Kansas, and South Carolina. In fact, none of the three are even within 10%. Even Montana’s much-hyped Democrat Steve Bullock – the sitting Governor – is behind by that margin. How did strong fundraising numbers fail to make a dent in these competitive red state Senate races? There’s many reasons.

Ideology

On a purely ideological level, Alaska, Kansas, and South Carolina are reliably Republican states. Since 1974, Alaska has only elected one Democratic Senator; South Carolina hasn’t elected one since 1998, and Kansas hasn’t elected one since 1932. These states simply aren’t amenable to most national Democrats.

It takes a special type of Democrat to be competitive in these states. Simply put, none of the candidates running were that type of Democrat. In Alaska, Democratic-endorsed Independent Al Gross hoped to overcome party stigmatization by eschewing a label. However, his past advocacy for single-payer and public comments regarding his left-leaning values undermined his message. In Kansas, Bollier had been to the left of the average Kansas Democrat even when she was a Republican. And in South Carolina, a state where only 15% of voters identify as liberal, Harrison couldn’t name a single policy position he differed from the national party on.

These candidates proved to be excellent fundraisers, hauling in record quarter after record quarter. However, donors don’t decide elections – voters do. By focusing mostly on the desires of donors, these candidates set themselves up to fail. In contrast, New Mexico Republican Mark Ronchetti ran a lower-profile race focusing on local issues: energy, economic development, the military, and even healthcare. This helped Ronchetti outperform President Trump; while Trump lost the state by nearly 11 points, Ronchetti only lost by around six.

Nationalization

In an article for The State, Maayan Schechter talked with Republicans and Democrats in South Carolina. Both agreed that Harrison’s money failed to build any infrastructure for state Democrats. Instead, it nationalized almost every race in the state. As a result, three out of every five Republicans voted straight-ticket. This proved disastrous for the numerous red-seat Democrats that still existed in South Carolina. Most shocking were the losses of Mandy Powers Norrell, the 2018 Lieutenant Governor nominee, and two-time gubernatorial nominee Vincent Sheehan. While both had long held office on virtue of their bipartisan records, a nationalized race was impossible to overcome.

Things hardly fared better for Gross and Bollier. Unlike successful strategic independent Angus King, Gross made no secret his plans to caucus with the Democrats. This unnecessarily nationalized the race; a vote for Al Gross became a vote for Chuck Schumer. And in Kansas, Bollier made a crucial blunder when she was caught on camera praising Australia’s gun control laws. This, combined with a weak debate performance in the closing weeks, severely hampered her ability to distance herself from the national party in any meaningful way. This is especially odd given she is a former Republican; it shouldn’t have been that hard to avoid nationalizing the race. The final factor to consider is polarization. In the 2016 elections, every state voted for the same party for President and Senate. In the 2020 elections, it appears only one state, Maine, split its ticket. While the Georgia runoffs might prove to be an exception, it remains clear that polarization is heavily affecting races.

In the past, it wouldn’t have been unusual for a state to vote for one party for president and another for Senate. This often resulted in unusual coalitions; it’s hard today to imagine a Gore/Santorum voter, for example. But that’s the exact sort of voter that existed in Pennsylvania in 2000. Today, it’s hard to picture a voter that splits their tickets period – especially one in red states. Even if Bollier, Gross, and Harrison had run perfect campaigns, it probably wouldn’t have been enough to overcome the partisan lean of their states.

The Harrison campaign seemed to recognize this and aggressively advertised on behalf of Constitution Party candidate Bill Bledsoe. The idea was that even if Harrison could only win 46-48% of votes, Bledsoe might peel off enough Republicans to allow a Harrison win. This also proved fruitless as Bledsoe received less than 1.5% of the vote. Even if they didn’t like Lindsey Graham, the vast majority of Republicans voted for him.

Polarization doesn’t mean it’s not worth trying to compete in unfavorable states. It also doesn’t mean elections are outright impossible to win. But it does provide a realistic perspective on how voters actually behave. To many voters, the prospect of a Biden presidency made voting for any Democrat impossible. Similarly, many Democrats felt the same about voting for any Republican. Conclusion

The Democratic failures in these red states provide a sobering outlook on their prospects. Despite massive financial advantages, strong national attention, and a fired-up based, none were able to come close to victory. But these races also provide teachable moments in how to handle campaigns in difficult states.

By avoiding nationalizing their races and prioritizing local issues, it may be possible to diverge from polarization somewhat. Mark Ronchetti’s campaign in New Mexico didn’t receive a tenth of the cash or attention that Bollier, Gross, or Harrison did, but it came far closer to winning. In the future, red state Democrats may be wise to look at his model rather than the one of Harrison.

I don’t need a dissertation on why Dems underperformed. Dems won the WH big and GAINED in the Senate. The EC is also going to be harder for republicans to win. The number of states in play for Dems is expanding. TX is fully in play, and the gop will be forced to spend big to win it.

The Sen is more problematic but it won’t be for long because voters are slooooowly getting wise to how awful republicans policies actually are. The spin and propaganda about how much better republicans are for business and whatever is wearing off as we face mounting, multiple crises’s. I’ve never seen a party with such weak policies get credit for so much. They’ve had two failed policies over 40 years- tax cuts for the rich and deregulation.

Republicans just lie, lie, lie, cheat, spin and generally act without moral principles to win. Dems will NEVER do that. So now what? My only answer is use the truth to brutally, nonstop bash them.

John Fetterman is a guys guy.

Weren't white men that only demographic that actually moved left from the previous election? Everyone else stayed within their usual margins.

Why doesn't R17 mention DL fave Susan Collins?

[quote]I was born in 1978. What generation is that?

The Too-Old-To-Be-A-Twink-So-Start-Acting-Like-A-Grownup Generation.

The older Gen Xers who grew up and graduated in the Fake Reagan golden years are more conservative. The younger Gen Xers, born 1970 - 1981, definitely skew more Dem.

South Carolina really shows the problem Senate Democrats ran into this year: in red states, very few people were willing to split their tickets. Out of roughly 2,260 precincts, only 46 in crossed over -- and 9 of those precincts were Biden/Graham, mostly in Charleston. #SCSen

The margin in Ohio was almost exactly the same as 2016. However, there were major swings internally. Biden made huge gains across suburbs of the big cities and in college towns. However, GOP gains continued in rurals and especially the eastern Appalachian region #ohpol

Nevada has certified its 2020 election results:

Biden 703,486 (50.1%) Trump 669,890 (47.7%)

That's a margin swing of 0.0 points vs. 2016 and a 24.9% increase in votes cast.

Just how much better did Mike Espy perform compared to Joe Biden? Well, a lot better.

Espy lost to Hyde-Smith by just under 10 points while Biden lost by 17, a nearly seven-point overperformance when looking at the margin!

Donald Trump grifted his supporters out of $3,000,000 to give Joe Biden 132 more votes in Wisconsin.

That awful presser the other day, with Rump at the tiny desk -- I am still wondering why he would have agreed to appear before the cameras with such poor optics . It wasn't even that long an event. Is it possible he is having difficulty standing for even a moderately extended period? One can only hope.

I just looked at the AP map to see where the popular vote stands and what was left to be counted. Every state seems to be at 99%-100% counted except for New York, which is at 85%. Why are they so poky?

Am I reading this thread right? You want the Dems to move further to the Left when it was the progressives that cost Dems millions of votes? You got to be fucking kidding me. The repugs called Biden a communist and it fucking worked. The Dems lost Florida because Cubans are terrified of communism. I won't even dare to think about what would have happened if Bernie was the candidate instead.

[quote]Every state seems to be at 99%-100% counted except for New York, which is at 85%. Why are they so poky?

They don't start counting absentee ballots until 10 days after Election Day by law, and there was a huge crush this year.

This needs one of the first things the new Democratic supermajority in the state legislature fixes.

Thanks, R32

R31, it wasn’t just Cubans that cost Biden the election in Florida. Trump got a much larger share of black and other Latino votes than is normal for Republicans

As it stands, Dems are getting 51.2% of the House seats with 50.5% of the House popular vote

In 2018 Dems got 54% of the seats with 53.4% of the House popular vote

The big legislative picture, with some races still TBD:

—GOP gained a net 145-150 seats in 2020. (A third of that is from New Hampshire alone! So, 95-100 outside of NH.)

"We dodged a bullet this time, but we have lessons to learn," writes former New Jersey Gov. James Florio for @usatodayopinion. "We are fortunate that Trump has so many obvious character flaws that offend even some who have agreed with his policies."

Trump has policies?

1996 was the last time White women voted Democrat

Donna Brazille: Opinion | White women vote Republican. Get used to it, Democrats. - The Washington Post

Keeping it classy: Trump is reportedly considering kicking off his 2024 run during Biden's inauguration.

Black people were in the streets screaming for our fundamental humanity to be recognized

And White Leftists were doing this 🙄

And that's just it r31. Bernie wasn't nominated, but they act like he was anyway. The idea that Joe Biden would usher in communism is stupid and neurotic, but there are so many stupid neurotics in the Republican Party that there is no use moving right to appease them. No matter what a Democrat does, the Cult will declare it's communism and shriek about the horrors of it all.

Bernie gave Republicans an open to tarnish the entire Party as radical socialists. People ask why Democrats allowed an avowed Socialist to even be a contender for their party’s nomination.

What is this "allowed"? You can run in the Democratic Primary, if you're a socialist, just as you can run for Republican office if you are a nazi, a QAnon dingbat, or a needy, whiny narcissist whose only concern is money and attention. The question is who wins. In the Republican Party, the assholes all tend to win.

r41 I wouldn't put it past him. Post inauguration, MSM and many of us will be able to cease enabling his narcissism

No matter what Dems do they’ll be labeled that bullshit. Have people forgotten FDR and LBJ who gave us very liberal POPULAR policies? It’s our messaging not our policies. We have a few very left pols while republicans have absolute fucking crackpots yet we’re the party who will lead us ashtray?

Those imbeciles voted for an ACTUAL AUTHORITARIAN while fretting about Biden ushering in Communism? Fuck them and fuck FL. We don’t need it.

Democrats and liberals make the fatal mistake of thinking that support for economic policies such as raising the minimum wage and expanding Medicaid will translate to more votes amongst white people and rural people. Reality shows that even if rural and white people support Democrats on economic issues, they still will vote Republican because of tribal cultural issues. Democrats need to be at peace with this reality.

Rural places are effectively white ghettos.

Facts bro

[quote] Feel like Trump trying to strip civil service protections from *88%* of employees of a major agency like OMB should be a bigger story

...

...The White House ordered every agency to reclassify some of its workforce as Schedule F by January 19, 2021, the day before the Inauguration.

At the time, Trump believed he would get a second term, and planned to fire protected employees like Dr. Fauci for imagined disloyalty. 6/ But once it became clear Trump lost the election, a new goal came into view: sabotaging President-elect Biden.

Sometime in the last week, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) produced a memo which reclassified **88%** of its workers as Schedule F.

Trump now believes he can fire nearly everyone at OMB at will. More agencies are likely to follow OMB in reclassifying portions of their workforces as Schedule F soon. Trump likely hopes to replace swathes of the career federal workforce with loyalists...

Biden has a lot of undoing to do in January

Glenn Kirschner:

Comparing Trump's Pardon of Flynn with Ford's Pardon of Nixon Shows Not All Pardons Created Equal

4 more years of hearing about Trump? Hopefully he will go the way Joe Arpaio did.

Just to rile the Glenn Kirschner troll:

Marc E. Elias:

NEW: We have filed our opposition to a petition filed by Republicans seeking to block the certification of the presidential election results in Wisconsin.

Anyone have an update on upcoming deadlines for state certifications?

R57 WI and AZ are Tuesday I believe

Here's the complete list, R57. Scroll down to "Certification deadlines organized by date".

Hardly, r55.

'Trust us, we're fighting': Ronna McDaniel faces tough crowd at campaign stop

So... the Deplorables would be okay with Trump stealing the election, but not Biden? Got it.

Ronna McDaniel is such an ugly fat pig. What the fuck does she eat?

"Reality shows that even if rural and white people support Democrats on economic issues, they still will vote Republican because of tribal cultural issues."

Deplorables, hillbillies, blue collars... mostly voted Democrat before Trump (if they bothered to vote at all). They are a very brainwashable group of people (Christianity, Qanon, UFOs, etc.). The Republicans knew whom to target, because anyone with half a brain knew Trump was a con man, a huckster. The yokels did not, and fell for him- hard.

[quote]Ronna McDaniel is such an ugly fat pig.

I heard her on TV today; never had before. Most unpleasant voice.

Trump loses in PA again. Certification will go forward.

I’m pretty sure Ronna loves to visit and eat the meat of Ronald McDonald

Most unpleasant just about everything, r65.

Deplorables in the South haven't voted blue since FDR, and he avoided dealing with Civil Rights because he knew he had to to to get his New Deal through. Eleanor didn't like it but he knew his politics.

Harry Truman desegregated the military and that started the bleeding for the Dems in the South - they've been mostly Republican ever since, with some exceptions, esp for Carter and Clinton.

*oops - the Dems held on till Goldwater in 1964, except for several supporting Strom Thurmond's segregationist ticket in 1948 (he won four southern states: AL, LA, MS, SC)

[quote]Ronna McDaniel is such an ugly fat pig. What the fuck does she eat?

What the fuck doesn't she eat?

[quote]Trump loses in PA again. Certification will go forward.

Not after Rudy takes the case to the Supreme Court!

Ronna does look more Divine every day.

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger now has around-the-clock security to protect him from death threats:

Scary

I'm looking fwd to detoxifying from 45 next Jan. For me, he's the first public official to engender disgust and vitriol (McTurtle is close 2nd). I guess one silver lining is being more politically active and ensuring someone like him (and dangerously less stupid) never be POTUS again

In 1980, the Democrats only won 9/100 of the highest income counties. In 2020, Biden won over fifty percent (57/43) of the highest income counties. Part of this, of course, was due to Trump's unique character flaws, but it is also part of a long-term Party reversal.

In 1980, the Democrats only won 9/100 of the highest income counties. In 2020, Biden won over fifty percent (57/43) of the highest income counties. Part of this, of course, was due to Trump's unique character flaws, but it is also part of a long-term Party reversal.

In 1980, the Democrats only won 9/100 of the highest income counties. In 2020, Biden won over fifty percent (57/43) of the highest income counties. Part of this, of course, was due to Trump's unique character flaws, but it is also part of a long-term Party reversal.

I think there's an echo in here.

Wisconsin recount is complete. For three million dollars, Biden’s lead increased by 87 votes.

[quote] BREAKING. NEWS: Mark Kelly will officially be sworn in as a US Senator of Arizona tomorrow!!!!!

R77, to see how difficult it is to analyze these trends, I'd say that instead of having to do with a cultural shift of any sort, it's due more to the concentration of wealth in cities and their suburbs and is a testament to the diverging wealth realities across this country. It's more that the Democratic areas are getting wealthier and not that the wealthier are now Democrats.

Joe slipped and twisted his ankle. Just when I thought it would be a peaceful Sunday night on Twitter. The deplorables are gonna go nuts with this

One of the biggest reasons Joe Biden flipped Michigan was by eating into traditionally Republican strongholds of Kent County (which Biden not only flipped blue but won by 6%) and Ottawa County (which was consistently THE reddest county until just a few years ago).

R85, strangely that just lends credence to the thought that the Repugs cheated hard this time. They didn't think they needed to fix the votes in the reddest parts of the country or the reddest parts of certain states. That's why they overperformed in strange places but underperformed in places they shouldn't have.

I think the Repugs have stolen the Senate. There is simply no non-cheating explanation for Graham's and McConnell's numbers. None. Collins is questionable, too. All the weird numbers will have come from in-person, same day voting because the machines were hacked. They did a bad job by skewing numbers too much because they had no way to know how high the mail-in numbers were going to end up being. We've now had multiple elections stolen since 2000 and the deciding number of Supreme Court seats, not to mention McConnell packing the courts across the land. All based on hacked votes. I really hope they are actually going to investigate the 2016 and 2020 results now and get concrete evidence that all but the worst deplorable can't deny. They should start with 2016 Florida, DeSantis and Scott, and then they can head on down to Miami Dade to find the actual results before mail-in ballots were thrown in the garbage.

And I know it goes against Joe Biden's whole background and personality, but I really would love him to do a really deep dive into the 2020 election, and what exactly happened with those Senate races, cause like you r86 I don't really believe the outcome. It was so far off in so many ways. I don't buy it.

Trump attacks the Governor of Georgia:

“I’m ashamed that I endorsed him.”

[quote]Joe slipped and twisted his ankle. Just when I thought it would be a peaceful Sunday night on Twitter. The deplorables are gonna go nuts with this

Whop gives a fuck what those scum-of-the-earth cretins say.

He twisted an ankle, he didn't break a leg. I'm sure he's getting the best medical care and they've x-rayed to make sure it isn't anything more serious.

Th

It’s not like he shit his pants on camera, which Trump has done several times.

Still, I do not want Joe spending too much time around medical facilities.

Oh you mean like Trump in the hospital for Covid-19 two months ago r92?

Hypocrite.

I really want Joe to just go sit somewhere safe and quiet until January 21st.

God, you guys. He was playing with his dog and hurt his foot. A silly, stupid accident that could happen to anyone. Maybe you need to calm down just a skosh.

R95, he's still bike riding, too. Just until he's sworn in, I want him to take zero chances. Who knows what the fuck would happen if something happened to him before he's sworn in with these amoral criminal assholes still in charge of the Senate and now creating a shitstain on the Supreme Court.

If something should happen to him between the electoral college vote and January, the 20th Amendment is very clear. Kamala would be sworn in as President.

[quote]“I’m ashamed that I endorsed him.”

How do you think HE feels?

R97, you have to think like McConnell and the Repugs. The 20th amendment says 'he', not 'she'. I'm joking, somewhat, but you have to keep in mind who we are dealing with. And, it's not at all as clear as you seem to think if you read the whole thing. What happens if Biden drops dead before the electoral college votes? Good luck interpreting that part clearly.

[quote]If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

Hopefully Joe makes it to January 20 without a broken hip. I don’t care if he in a wheelchair he has got to make it to January 20. The Republicans will probably file a lawsuit now that his ankle boot is hiding votes for Trump.

[quote]the 20th Amendment is very clear.

and yet today I heard Missouri's shitstain Roy Blunt, the Republican chair of the fucking Senate RULES Committee, declare that there is no such thing as a President Elect, although it is right there in the 20th.

Stop listening to Roy Blunt or learn how to tell the difference between political hyperbole and the truth.

Chris Krebs on '60 Minutes' tonight:

“I have confidence in the security of this election… Any attacks on the election were not successful,” says Chris Krebs, former head of CISA, a federal agency charged with election security. POTUS fired Krebs after CISA called the 2020 election secure.

How VP Harris Can Sideline Moscow Mitch

Sidney Powell will have her day in court on Friday. Reading Twitter it seems like there was a shady secret hearing in GA last night with odd rulings. No one seems to know what any of it means. Very worrying.

8 more days until the safe harbor deadline. I hope we make it.

[quote]I really want Joe to just go sit somewhere safe and quiet until January 21st.

And risk deep vein thrombosis? Oh hellz no. O' Handsome Joe needs to be out and about.

More on the strange ruling by the federal judge in GA

The coup is going full steam ahead

Mountain meet molehill. It isn't going anywhere.

Come closer, r105...

Arizona certified for Biden.

Good

[quote]The coup is going full steam ahead.

Take it to Parler, R107.

Trump's Lawyers Call Rudy Giuliani "Deranged" As His Lawsuits Keep Failing

Republican Donors Are Fed Up With Trump's Insanity

[quote]BREAKING and DEVELOPING:

[quote]A federal judge partially advances a lawsuit accusing Felix Sater of laundering money through Trump Organization properties. - Adam Klasfeld

Ruling available at link at link.

The editors of the conservative National Review slams Dump as petulant and disgraceful sore looooser.

Yeah, I am so anxious to get the National Review's take on their erstwhile wunderkind.

Thanks for posting that, R115.

I've been low-key looking around to see if any pundits are making connections between that and Jared suddenly this week making a trip to a country that does NOT have an extradition treaty. That would put a damper on Twitler's re-election bid.

If he were younger and not thinking about retirement, I'd say Manchin would make for an attractive Democratic leader. Maybe Jon Tester. We need Heartland and Southern Democrats to be the face of the Party

[quote]Manchin would make for an attractive Democratic leader.

Ew.

He is a fine Senator for WV. Putting him as the head of the party would guarantee a schism.

Tester, who I do like, has had leadership roles in the past, most notably as head of the Senate Campaign Committee in 2016. They only managed to pick up two seats, one (Tammy Duckworth) which was likely inevitable, and one (Maggie Hassan) which is at risk in 2022.

Even if Stacey Abrams can't deliver the special election, and ESPECIALLY if she can, there's about a 0% chance of anyone else taking over. Apart from her having a knack for it, she seems to be liked by all wings of the party, which may be an even more important factor.

R119 Tester, yes. Manchin, no. I don’t trust Manchin. I’ll take him cuz we aren’t getting better out of WV. Tester is great as is Bullock. Both are more progressive than most would think.

[quote] HE'LL GET BACK TO YOU Back in July, Gov. Ducey said he changed his White House ringtone to "Hail to The Chief" so he wouldn't miss a call from Trump/Pence. Guess who called while Ducey was certifying Arizona's election?

Ha!

Arizona Gov Doug Ducey uses "Hail to the Chief" as a ringtone for calls from the official White House line. Guess who called in the middle of his televised certification of the Biden electors.

The bitch put it on Silent and kept signing.

Wisconsin has certified.

Okay, we're done here.

Last gasp effort by Pa. House Republicans to involve state Legislature in recall of presidential election results fizzle

You know... I used to think that the DL voter conspiracy people were nutty (talking about hacking and coordinated cheating efforts), but Trump and this crew have outpaced them. In fact, maybe you guys didn't do enough to try and get Hillary's loss overturned.

[quote]Trump Lawyer: DHS Whistleblower Should Be Executed | During Newsmax call-in Joe diGenova said Chris Krebs should be put to death.

These idiots should be sued out of their last dollar.

Joe DiGenova and that cunt wife of his should both be disbarred and put out to sea on a raft to see if they can survive.

I still remember them from their Clinton hating days (Bill, not Hill) during the Moronica Lewdnsky crap in the late 90's.

Fuck them both.

Arizona —Biden flipped it —Dems now hold both US Senate seats —Easily legalized marijuana —Raised tax on higher incomes for public education —GOP kept legislature, trifecta —Arpaio's ex-deputy lost vs. Maricopa's Dem sheriff —But GOP won DA, recorder, board races in Maricopa

In the first half of her column today, WaPo's Jennifer Rubin goes off on why we're all accepting the exit polls as gospel, given that the election polls were so far off base.

She makes a very valid point.

[quote] The definition of insanity — doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result — is an apt description of the post-election punditry. After yet another election in which polling proved wildly misleading in multiple ways (e.g., the popular-vote margin for president, the direction of the House, the fate of the Senate Republicans), pundits return to the most unreliable of polls — exit polls — to pontificate on what had transpired. They might as well use a Magic 8 ball to discern the mysteries of the 2020 election.

David Brock, former right wing nut, came out long ago talking about how the gop was all about just destroying the Clintons with non stop lies and fake scandals paid for by their billionaires. They said republicans were supposed to keep winning and were shook when Clinton won. To me, and he alluded to it, it seemed they knew the fix was in. Brock said he left the right wing side when, after years, republicans couldn’t come up with anything on Bill or Hillary.

Republicans have zero interest in crafting popular policies or helping anybody who isn’t a billionaire. They are happy with destroying people and creating propaganda to sway voters. They truly are a threat to our country.

Here's the real reason the GOP & Republicans are going along with Trump, his base. They're willing to tie their hitch to a wagon full of Qnuts, extreme right wing deplorables, gullible Christians, angry white men & the uneducated that can be easily coerced, to retain their power.

Crazy Sidney is back at it again

One of the witnesses in Sidney Powell’s new Michigan lawsuit says in a declaration he thinks there’s something fishy about election returns in Edison County, MI. Thing is, there is no Edison County in Michigan.

Actually there's no Edison County in America or the ENTIRE WORLD

I think PA's lt. governor John Fetterman could be a huge benefit to the Democratic Party. Harvard educated, but looks like a biker in Middle America. He's huge and intimidating, kicks ass on social media and blows up Republican hypocrisy. He speaks so honestly and directly that I think he can sell Democratic values to the Americans who have been hoodwinked and brainwashed by Republican lies. He's such an unusual guy, I'm not sure exactly where he'll go or what he'll do, but I'm glad he's on our side.

Super PACs linked to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) are outspending Democratic groups in the Georgia Senate runoffs as Republicans attempt to hold the upper chamber.

The Senate Leadership Fund and American Crossroads, closely affiliated GOP super PACs run by former McConnell aides, have together spent $20.6 million on ads attacking Democratic candidates Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock. As of Monday, their combined spending accounted for 45 percent of all outside spending in the Georgia runoffs.

Those deep-pocketed super PACs have helped conservative groups outspend their liberal counterparts 2-to-1 thus far in the Georgia runoffs, which will decide control of the Senate when votes are tallied in early January.

Some smart vote-crunching on Georgia "Trump fatigue" from @ajcpolitics:

* Trump: 49.25% in GA's presidential race; * Perdue: 49.7% in Senate race; * Rs: 50.9% in 14 US House races; * Rs: 51.2% in state House races. * Rs: 53.7% in state Senate races.

Democrats have a huge branding problem

Not really. They just need to emphasize in Georgia that the Republican candidates are Trump lackeys that need to go, and of course that the system is rigged so Republicans should stay home.

[quote]Wisconsin has certified. Okay, we're done here.

But the coup is far from over!

[quote] One of the witnesses in Sidney Powell’s new Michigan lawsuit says in a declaration he thinks there’s something fishy about election returns in Edison County, MI. Thing is, there is no Edison County in Michigan. Actually there's no Edison County in America or the ENTIRE WORLD

Don't confuse me with FACTS!

[quote] Super PACs linked to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) are outspending Democratic groups in the Georgia Senate runoffs as Republicans attempt to hold the upper chamber.

I'm in Georgia and I'm not that worried about that. Jon Ossoff and Raffael Warnock's commercials are losing their effectiveness. They just air the same commercial each that says loeffler and perdue are insider traders

I hate loeffler and especially hate perdue and I don't care anymore when the 30th commercial of the day comes on and tells me they are insider traders

There's more filth about perdue they could be focusing on. Like sending jobs overseas. That was his job at Sarah Lee, he was in charge of outsourcing American jobs. That's what he's done most of his adult life

kelly loeffler does business with China. Yet she airs commercials that say "she tough on China". No she isn't. She's more than happy to bend over for China

Kelly and Perdue have that ugly Republican stank.

Get rid of her

What Makes A One-Term President?

Nov. 30, 2020

By Julia Azari

Donald Trump is officially a one-term president, the first to fail a reelection bid in nearly 30 years. But history shows his loss isn’t surprising, given the circumstances.

Have the Republicans thrown in the towel?

They are, slowly.

Get out!

Let’s hope the door hits him squarely in the ass on your way out.

[quoted]Have the Republicans thrown in the towel?

They need to finish jizzing all over it first, which is hard because of the impotence.

50 more days. Has anyone else signed up for GA runoff volunteer opps and not heard back? Guess that's a good sign they have more than enough folks for out-of-state helpers

Popular Dems like the Obamas should get their asses down to Georgia to campaign for Ossoff and Warnock. Hell, even Joe should hobble down there to lend his voice and support. We need those bloody Senate seats.

[bold]Trump raises more than $150 million appealing to false election claims[/bold]

President Trump’s political operation has raised more than $150 million since Election Day, using a blizzard of misleading appeals about the election to shatter fundraising records set during the campaign, according to people with knowledge of the contributions.

The influx of political donations is one reason Trump and some allies are inclined to continue a legal onslaught and public affairs blitz focused on baseless claims of election fraud, even as their attempts have repeatedly failed in court and as key states continue to certify wins for President-elect Joe Biden.

Much of the money raised since the election is likely to go into an account for the president to use on political activities after he leaves office, while some of the contributions will go toward what’s left of the legal fight.

The people with knowledge of the fundraising amounts spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose internal numbers. The Trump campaign declined to comment.

The surge of donations is largely from small-dollar donors, campaign officials say, tapping into the president’s base of loyal and fervent donors who tend to contribute the most when they feel the president is under siege or facing unfair political attacks. The campaign has sent about 500 post-election fundraising pitches to donors, often with hyperbolic language about voter fraud and the like.

“I need you now more than ever,” says one recent email that claims to be from the president. “The Recount Results were BOGUS,” another email subject line reads.

“Our democracy and freedom is at risk like never before, which is why I’m reaching out to you now with an URGENT request,” reads an email to donors from Vice President Pence. “President Trump and I need our STRONGEST supporters, like YOU, to join the Election Defense Task Force. This group will be responsible for DEFENDING the Election from voter fraud, and we really need you to step up to the front lines of this battle.”

The donations are purportedly being solicited for the Official Election Defense Fund, which is blazed in all red across the Trump campaign’s website, with an ominous picture of the president outside the White House.

There is no such account, however. The fundraising requests are being made by the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, a joint fundraising committee that raises money for the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee. As of Nov. 18, that committee also shares its funds with Save America, a new leadership PAC that Trump set up in early November and which he can use to fund his post-presidency activities.

The money raised since Nov. 3 is a massive haul for such a short period, especially after the election, when losing campaigns typically ramp down their fundraising operation. By comparison, the Trump Make America Great Again Committee raised $125 million in the second quarter of 2020, according to federal records. The campaign account’s best single month was September, when it raised $81 million, according to available data.

The contributions, from thousands of grass-roots donors across the country, are split into several accounts, including the leadership PAC that is loosely regulated and could be used to personally benefit the president after he leaves the White House.

According to the fine print in the latest fundraising appeals, 75 percent of each contribution to the joint fundraising committee would first go toward the Save America leadership PAC and the rest would be shared with the party committee, to help with the party’s operating expenses. This effectively means that the vast majority of low-dollar donations under the current agreement would go toward financing the president’s new leadership PAC, instead of efforts to support the party or to finance voting lawsuits...

So the bogus election scam may be the first profitable venture Trump has run.

[quote]Popular Dems like the Obamas should get their asses down to Georgia to campaign for Ossoff and Warnock.

Nope, nope, nope. The biggest mistake that we can make in GA is nationalizing that race. Let Georgians handle this.

[quote]Trump raises more than $150 million appealing to false election claims

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Exactly. National Democrats and celebrities need to stay out of Georgia. Southerners especially dislike National Democrats and Northerners telling them what to do. You need Popular Georgians on the campaign trail

Rosalynn to the rescue!

Usher to the rescue!

Republicans Slam OMB Pick Tanden For Twitter Use | Morning Joe | MSNBC

I'm one of the most beloved native Georgians but I'm unable to make it.

R157 - but they continue to remain silent for their Dear Leader's Twitter meltdowns. They really lack credibility on this issue.

The Republicans should never again have the right to criticize anyone for their Twitter usage after what the Tweeter-in-Chief has written.

Whispers III

NYT: Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer who has led the most extensive efforts to damage his client’s political rivals and undermine the election results, discussed with the president as recently as last week the possibility of receiving a pre-emptive pardon before Mr. Trump leaves office.

Mr. Giuliani did not respond to a message seeking comment. Christianne Allen, his spokeswoman, said, “Mayor Giuliani cannot comment on any discussions that he has with his client.”

Giuliani later tweeted, "#FakeNews NYT lies again. Never had the discussion they falsely attribute to an anonymous source. Hard to keep up with all their lies."

Which means, of course, that the pardon was absolutely discussed.

The new WI lawsuit is a bit worrying. They aren’t arguing fraud, they’re arguing that people voted illegally because the voting laws themselves are illegal. “Latches” probably still applies but a court may take this one seriously.

One more week. We just have to hang on one more week and then the coup will be seriously damaged. But as of now it’s going full steam ahead. Be afraid.

Dear r163, come a bit closer....

And it's "Laches"

After the EC votes and is certified, the next stop will be GOP members in congress creating a circus by objecting to the results. That will be an ugly day for our nation. It will be a big performance but it won’t stop the certification.

Yeah, r166, I know...be afraid...

[quote] the next stop will be GOP members in congress creating a circus by objecting to the results. That will be an ugly day for our nation

If they were smart they'd stop with the sore loser routine, and they'd react like The Winke and Flying Monkeys, after Dorothy's thrown the water on The Wicked Witch, and respond by seeing that Dump's reign of terror is finally over, and they themselves are no longer enslaved and under his tyrannical rule.

[quote]Trump raises more than $150 million appealing to false election claims

Once a grifter, always a grifter.

Looks like they are officially going to ask SCOTUS to throw out mail in ballots in PA

SCOTUSblog has said a few times that the court will not hear this case. But we’ll see....

No shit!

"William Barr says there is no evidence of widespread fraud in presidential election"

(CNN)The Justice Department hasn't found evidence to support allegations of widespread fraud that could have changed the result of last month's presidential election, Attorney General William Barr said in an interview with the Associated Press published Tuesday.

"To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election," Barr said. Barr, who prior to the election echoed President Donald Trump's claims that mail-in voting wasn't secure, said both the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have looked into claims of fraud and come up empty. "There's been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results," Barr said. "And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven't seen anything to substantiate that."

When do you think the one term and impeached man-baby fires Barr?

In honor of Steve, The Gap donates 500 pairs of khakis to The Boys & Girls Club Workforce Readiness Program

[quote] “Someone’s gonna get shot. Someone’s gonna get killed...and it’s not right. It’s not right. Like I said we’re doing our best to keep it together.” GA SOS Voting System Implementation Manager Gabe Sterling on the dangerous, false rhetoric we’ve seen mount in #gapol and nationwide

Outraged Georgia election official decries threatening rhetoric against election staff: "Mr. President...senators, you have not condemned this language or these actions. This has to stop! We need you to step up—and if you're going to take a position of leadership, show some."

r171 Now will death threats to Barr be via firing squad or hanging, which DOJ just reintroduced?

R175 love Georgia making these sleaze bags look bad. Hope the state is taking notice and affects the run offs.

Joe diGenova tries to walk back his death threats against Chris Krebs:

[quote]"It was obvious that my remarks were sarcastic and made in jest. I, of course, wish Mr. Krebs no harm. This was hyperbole in a political discourse,” Joe diGenova says after he said Chris Krebs should be "taken out at dawn and shot."

“Senator Perdue condemns violence of any kind, against anybody. Period. We won’t apologize for addressing the obvious issues with the way our state conducts its elections.”

“Like many officials, as someone who has been the subject of threats, of course Senator Loeffler condemns violence of any kind. How ridiculous to even suggest otherwise."

These Republicans are reprehensible, and dare I say it...DEPLORABLE.

There are no good elected republicans. Period. Even with all this going on, you barely hear much from the “good” ones like Mitt or Lisa.

ABC News:

Giuliani discussing a preemptive pardon for himself and for Trump family members

On local NBC news tonight, they said that Trump plans to announce his 2024 campaign on inauguration day, he will not attend the inauguration ceremony, and he will not invite Biden to the White House for a meeting beforehand. Can Trump sink any lower?

Breaking: Donald Trump's share of the U.S. vote just fell to 46.9%. He's now failed to crack 47% in either of his runs for president (for perspective, Mitt Romney got 47.2% in 2012 and Hillary Clinton got 48.2% in 2016).

CNN: Justice Department investigating potential presidential pardon bribery scheme, court records reveal

The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House or related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court records unsealed Tuesday in federal court. The case is the latest legal twist in the waning days of President Donald Trump's administration after several of his top advisers have been convicted of federal criminal charges and as the possibility rises of Trump giving pardons to those who've been loyal to him.

The disclosure is in 20 pages of partially redacted documents made public by the DC District Court on Tuesday afternoon. The records show Chief Judge Beryl Howell's review in August of a request from prosecutors to access documents obtained in a search as part of a bribery-for-pardon investigation. The filings don't reveal a timeline of the alleged scheme, or any names of people potentially involved, except that communications between people including at least one lawyer were seized from an office that was raided sometime before the end of this summer. No one appears to have been publicly charged with a related crime to date.

At the end of this summer, a filter team, used to make sure prosecutors don't receive tainted evidence that should have been kept from them because it was privileged, had more than 50 digital devices including iPhones, iPads, laptops, thumb drives and computer drives after investigators raided the unidentified offices. Prosecutors told the court they wanted permission to the filter team's holdings. The prosecutors believed the devices revealed emails that showed allegedly criminal activity, including a "secret lobbying scheme" and a bribery conspiracy that offered "a substantial political contribution in exchange for a presidential pardon or reprieve of sentence" for a convicted defendant whose name is redacted, according to the redacted documents.

Communications between attorneys and clients are typically privileged and kept from prosecutors as they build their cases, but in this situation, Howell allowed the prosecutors access. Attorney-client communications are not protected as privileged under the law when there is discussion of a crime, among other exceptions. "The political strategy to obtain a presidential pardon was 'parallel' to and distinct from [redacted]'s role as an attorney-advocate for [redacted name]," Howell wrote in her court order. The grand jury investigation also appears to relate to unnamed people acting as unregistered "lobbyists to senior White House officials" as they sought to secure a pardon and use an intermediary to send a bribe, the unsealed court records say. Prosecutors hadn't provided evidence to the judge, however, of any direct payment, and instead showed evidence that a person was seeking clemency because of past and future political contributions. The investigators indicated in court that they intended to "confront" three people with the communications and complete their investigation.

Over the last week, the Justice Department told Howell it wanted to keep filings related to the matter confidential in court, because "individuals and conduct" hadn't yet been charged.

Lou Dobbs is for once right, but not in the way he thinks.

[quote]Fox Business Network host and top Trump sycophant Lou Dobbs was absolutely beside himself on Tuesday over the news that Attorney General William Barr said there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the election results. Dobbs even accused Trump’s loyal A.G. of being part of the “deep state” and “perhaps compromised.”

Of course Barr is part of the deep state - the one Dump installed and corruptly used. And of course Barr is compromised for doing Dump's bidding.

I hope everyone including Barr turns on Trump. That fat pig is dead weight.

It really is the Piggy party: 45, Barr, Christie, McConnell, Graham, McDaniel, and the 10 fattest states, all red...metaphoric.

Jon Osoff looks like he has a nice body. He looks sexy in work clothes.

Lyin' Ted is trying hard to inherit the MAGA vote for 2024.

[quote]Sen. Cruz Urges U.S. Supreme Court to Hear Emergency Appeal on Pennsylvania Election Challenge

PA constitution says in § 4. Method of elections; secrecy in voting: All elections by the citizens shall be by ballot or [bold]by such other method as may be prescribed by law[/bold]: Provided, That secrecy in voting be preserved.

Lyin' Ted is trying to make SCOTUS advance a claim that the PA constitution isn't saying what it says.

[quote]Can Trump sink any lower?

Of course he can. There are no depths to which he won't sink. He's utterly vile and without any redeeming qualities.

R192 Why would anybody ask such a fucking stupid question at this point?

Ahem

Trump Press Secy WILL NOT STOP Humiliating Herself

I fucking loathe that fucking Barbie cunt. I hope she is made a pariah and has fucked up the rest of her career by being such a disgusting forceful freely lying whore.

It’s seeming like everything is imploding in Trump land. Not a moment too soon.

Worth a read.

From Rick Hasen's Election Law blog:

"Perhaps the Dumbest Argument Ever Made in Emergency Petition to the Supreme Court Appears in Pennsylvania Election Case"

[quote] I guarantee this is the only time the Trump’s kids have used the words ‘Pardon me.’

I think Sidney Powell has an undiagnosed brain tumor

Couldn't Biden issue an executive order nullifying Trump's pardons?

We’re less than a week away from #VeepForGeorgia so mark your calendars!

We’ll be reading one of our favorite episodes about stopping a ballot count. You know, total fiction.

All donations will go toward helping @AmericaVotes protect voting rights in GA

Even if Dump is able to issue pre-emptive pardons, does that preclude the DoJ from trying and convicting them of crimes?

As Ford put it, he only gave the pardon to Nixon because a pardon says you were guilty of a crime and are admitting it.

They’re already moving the goalposts to get congress to try to stop certification on January 6th.

Gee R206. I wonder who’ll be Pelosi’s cabinet.

Let’s say they get the federal pardons, would that stop a state, say New York, from prosecuting crimes that happened in NY?

Georgia Senate debate between Warnock & Loeffler will be on CNN at 7:00 PM Sunday night.

Preceding it will be a debate with Jon Ossoff at 5:00 PM. Ossoff will have the stage to himself as his opponent, U.S. Senator David Perdue, declined invitations to debate his challenger.

[quote]Let’s say they get the federal pardons, would that stop a state, say New York, from prosecuting crimes that happened in NY?

As has been repeatedly stated by numerous sources, NO.

Does a pardon have to name a specific crime, even if it isn't charged? I mean, the pardon can't just say "I hereby pardon Don Jr. for all the crimes he's committed before today.", right? So, wouldn't a pardon have to list the possible crimes being pardoned?

Yes, the pardon can say that. Nixon was pardoned “for any and all crimes he may have committed” during his time as President.

[quote] Let’s say they get the federal pardons, would that stop a state, say New York, from prosecuting crimes that happened in NY?

No.

He can pardon but the government can still say they would have been charged with bribery etc. it’s all tragic and a regrettable blight on US history.

Fox News: USPS fraud alleged

CNN: Investigators looking into bribery scheme

Aren’t we already in a civil war? It’s draining.

Some of you need to turn off the news and stop over-reacting to every little thing. Trump and his ilk thrive on making people freak out and will say and do anything to get an audience and a reaction. Stop falling for it.

America is a big polluter and going mentally ill. Sad.

R207, if it’s January 20 and they’re still pulling this crap, let Pelosi be sworn in. She can pick Biden as her VP and then resign. Biden will become the President and name Kamala the VP.

We should be glad that January 20th date is in the Constitution.

The WI case is the only worrying one because the WI Supreme Court is hyper partisan. Still can’t see them tossing all those ballots but you never know

Fucking Concern Troll at R220.

FF

The coup is far from over!

We know how to deal with r220, r221....

Bill Barr is 70. He gives 0 fucks now about Trump. He knows the USSC will not take up any of the cases.

Barr isn’t a trump loyalist. Barr has been very clear throughout the years about how he views government and the presidency. He believes the president should be an authoritarian all mighty ruler. Trump is the first president dumb enough for Barr to use because trump will go along with anything. Barr has written that he felt Bush didn’t use the presidency to its full advantage. Barr is an evil, evil man, but I don’t see him going down with the Trump ship

Jonathan Swan reporting that trump is thinking about firing Barr and replacing him with someone who will do his bidding on the election and other investigations. Scary

When Barr isn’t bad enough for you, who’s left? Satan?

[quote]Barr is an evil, evil man, but I don’t see him going down with the Trump ship

Dunno, he IS awful fat. Could probably sink just about anything.

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) has been telling colleagues and allies that he plans to challenge the Electoral College votes when Congress officially certifies Joe Biden’s victory on Jan. 6, as long as a Senate Republican joins him in the long-shot effort.

Brooks confirmed his plans in a phone interview, adding that he is still considering objecting to the vote-counting process even if no one joins him — though he acknowledged that would be more of a symbolic protest.

“In my judgment, if only lawful votes by eligible American citizens were cast, Donald Trump won the Electoral College by a significant margin, and Congress’s certification should reflect that,” Brooks said.

jesus, it just gets crazier and crazier. Can Congress just caught off all funds for a month and a half. Just shut this bitch down until January 20. I suspect it can't but I'm just grasping at straws. Take away all spending power altogether until there is a sane president.

What does cutting off funds have to do with anything? Congress can’t shut down until January 20. They have to certify the EC votes.

R230, it’s the holidays, unemployment is supposed to run out December 26 or December 31 in Some states. Trump doesn’t want to help those people. Just accept they’re getting nothing until January.

“In my judgment, if only lawful votes by eligible white American citizens were cast, Donald Trump won the Electoral College by a significant margin, and Congress’s certification should reflect that,” Brooks said. “This election was stolen by the negro socialists engaging in extraordinary voter fraud and election theft measures.”

I don’t see a Senator going along with some of the crazier GOP house members. Maybe someone like Ron Johnson but I don’t think Mitch would allow it. You can object without officially objecting. An official objection has to be in writing, but you can verbally object as an act of theater. I expect we’ll see a lot of that. It happened in 2016. A lot of dems “objected” Trump and Biden eventually had to tell them all to sit down and shut up. His exact words were “it’s over”.

Pelosi should just refuse to seat any republican until after the certification. Only certify democrats. That would nip that in the bud. If Mo Brooks isn’t careful he may be waiting in the wings and not seated until the 7th.

IF a million things happen and there IS a challenge in congress, Pelosi can just reject it and then it defaults back to the governors appointed electors.

This is one of those times I'm glad Pelosi is Speaker.

Agree r237, not a job for amateurs.

Crushing takedown of Sidney Powell:

Miss Lindsey would stand up and object.

We are saved by their incredible stupidity again and again r239, but of course that just makes me nervous for next time.

I have to wonder if the end result of this is actually a GOP schism. There seems to be a widening gulf between the Republicans who live in reality and the absolute lunatics.

I mean, how does someone who threatens the safety of the governor of GA (admittedly, planted in the position of Hugo Chavez) vote for Lisa Murkowski?

[quote]I have to wonder if the end result of this is actually a GOP schism.

It might well end up being one. Trump has no loyalty to the Republican Party, he cares nothing about what they profess to stand for. They were his ticket to the White House, now that he has no further use for them he'll cast them aside and take his MAGATs with him. It's like two people pulling on a wishbone, it'll be interesting to see which faction ultimately comes away with the Republican brand.

Concern Troll at R241.

no not really r244. I'm not concerned about this particular gang of whores and grifters. I'm concerned about the next Uber Grifter that comes along and actually knows what he's doing. I wish we could disband the Republican Party, but I'm not sure that would work anyway.

Trump is already saying "see you in 4 years". Why? Because he knows this is the end despite his tweets and statements from his lawyers. Although he got a massive amount of votes, this IS the end of The Wizard of Oz. He will fade into obscurity in the coming years..

Isn't their talk about Junior running for some office in Pennsylvania. ugh.

LOCK EM UP !!

R245. I wouldn't worry about this. No one can lie as convincingly as Chump. He has done this throughout his entire life to perfection and became a media star because of his show. No way in hell that Cruz or others rise ( or better yet, sink) to this level. Love him or hate him, Chump is a once in a lifetime type of politician who says that the sky is blue when it's raining, that the earth is flat when it's round ....and many, many people believe him....Soon, the kool-aid will run out and some people will begin to see the truth

Any thoughts on when the USSC will start issuing “cert denied” rulings?

Trump just posted a 40 minute video talking about voter fraud and dominion. This isn’t going away any time soon. So much for all that MAGA Haberman reporting from last week saying Trump was “coming to terms” with losing

Make no mistake, Bitch McConnell has HIS knife ready and will stab that mofo in the back as soon as it is "politically" ok to do so. He is waiting for the dust to settle and for better poll numbers. But the contempt is there. It has always been THERE. Sure, he is not going out of his way to congratulate Biden but his silence about Chump's lawsuits is also telling given that they are from the same party and that he is the current leader of one of the main branches of government. He is silent while Miss Lindsey sings. But.....even Miss Lindsey will turn. Watch

He will fire Barr and appoint someone who will open an investigation into the election and then stop the EC from meeting. This coup is not over

[quote]Isn't their talk about Junior running for some office in Pennsylvania.

Oh, dear. (x2)

R252. Sigh. Calm the fuck down. It's over. Trump knows it. Next chapter

[quote]He will fire Barr and appoint someone who will open an investigation into the election and then stop the EC from meeting. This coup is not over

The coup is not over! The coup is not over! The coup is not over! The coup is not over! The coup is not over! The coup is not over! The coup is not over! The coup is not over! The coup is not over! The coup is not over! The coup is not over! The coup is not over!

[quote]No one can lie as convincingly as Chump.

Wha? His lies aren't convincing though. He's a terrible liar. It's just there are millions of idiots who either don't care or ignore it.

Far too many trolls/supporters/nervous nellies on these threads. The pardons are telling. HE knows. Sleep well everyone!

Which will earn him a second impeachment R252 and, with the new Senate, higher probability for conviction.

Not tired of losing yet? Quit while you're ahead, loser.

r252 It ain't gonna happen. Reading some of your prior posts, and in the immortal words of TSwift: You Need To Calm Down

[quote]I have to wonder if the end result of this is actually a GOP schism.

Although I would dearly love to witness a GOP schism in my lifetime, it was first promised during the reigns of Bush the Elder and Bush the Lesser. Although it seems inevitable now with 46-1 squatting in the White House, I don't believe it will happen.

Republican'ts are Pavlovian in their inability to perceive when they are being hoodwinked. As long as someone, anyone has the Republican't imprimatur their followers will follow.

Use Ignore-dar on R252 and check out his divisive craziness.

COMPLETE Troll.

[quote]Although I would dearly love to witness a GOP schism in my lifetime, it was first promised during the reigns of Bush the Elder and Bush the Lesser. Although it seems inevitable now with 46-1 squatting in the White House, I don't believe it will happen.

They've primaried out Crazy for Crazier before. They actually ran Arlen Specter out of the party in 2008, and Eric Cantor (the actual Majority Leader) was primaried out in 2014, and he then quit before the end of his term in a DL-worthy flounce.

They are definitely at a crossroads. Trump barely got in and was soundly defeated last month. It wasn’t even close despite all their current lies and lawsuits. They’ve become even meaner and more overtly racist, if that was even possible. They are consumed now with undermining any Democratic president. What until Kamala is sworn in and then they will completely flip out.

This cunt is leaving whether he wants to or not. This is all to grift his moronic cult of More of their money while laughing at how dumb they are. He got kicked hard in the cuntbone by voters. It wasn’t close.

When is someone going to shut up our mad President??

Pompeo invites hundreds to indoor holiday parties after subordinates are warned against hosting ‘non-mission critical events’

[quote] A copy of one invitation, obtained by The Washington Post, welcomes guests to a Dec. 15 event titled “Diplomacy at Home for the Holidays” in the Benjamin Franklin Room, the department’s flagship reception space, which features cut-glass chandeliers and towering Corinthian columns. Invitations have already gone out to 900 people, said two U.S. officials familiar with the planning, raising concerns about a potential superspreader event.

[quote] Two other holiday parties in the coming days have also raised safety concerns at the department given their size. On Dec. 16, Pompeo will host a reception for the Washington diplomatic corps at the State Department. Invites have gone out to about 180 foreign ambassadors, who are allowed to bring spouses, officials said.

[quote] Another holiday party, hosted by the department’s chief of protocol Cam Henderson, involves a tour of the White House followed by a tour of Blair House, the president’s guesthouse, which is managed by the State Department. President Trump is also hosting holiday parties at the White House that defy his own health experts’ public guidance. Some of those events appear to be smaller, such as a Dec. 10 congressional ball, which will include more than 50 guests.

Here is s summary of his FB lies. It’s delusional.

Trump is incapable of shutting up. It won’t happen, but at some point, the press has got to stop giving him air time.

It’s sad so many people are enabling him to try to stage a coup. And really their goal is to try and change voting laws so they will favor Republicans. I hope the USSC starts denying review of these recent failed cases pretty quickly, but that will still not defer him. He is such an egomaniac he will try and go in tv every day.

Trump can keep talking all he wants but it's up to the MEDIA whether or not they will keep covering him and giving him any importance after he is officially out of office.

Given their past behavior, I'm not hopeful.

Lin Wood and Sidney Powell are going to get some poor election worker in Georgia killed

Another loss in court (Nevada).

[quote] Petitioner has cited no law that grants this Court the broad power to invalidate an entire county’s election.

Trump Press Secy So Humiliated Even Fox Can't Save Her

Why isn’t anyone in Washington speaking out about the danger of his craziness? Maybe even Biden needs to give a firm counter speech.

On the Ballot...

I love that clip of fat pig Ronna McDaniel getting heckled by deplorables in GA and her having to yell over and over that the election isn’t already decided. This could actually result in a depressed turn out of the most Trump devoted people. Notice the RNC has backed off the rigged claims.

Here's Lin Wood telling Georgia Republicans NOT to vote for Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue next month.

"They have not earned your vote. Don't you give it to them. Why would you go back and vote in another rigged election for god's sake! Fix it! You gotta fix it!"

At what point do people realize he is dangerous. It has gone way beyond a little partisan bickering.

Biden’s popular vote lead is nearing 7 million

Biden: 80,925,383 (51.3%)

Trump: 74,071,770 (46.9%)

99% reporting

Lin Wood is a mentally ill grifter. It was revealed today that he voted for Stacey Abrams in 2018 and that he has never voted in a GOP primary.

He also said today that Trump won 410 EC votes and almost won California

[quote]When Barr isn’t bad enough for you, who’s left? Satan?

A lot of people are talking about Tiffany.

[quote]He also said today that Trump won 410 EC votes and almost won California.

So much winning!

I don’t know where to drop this, so I guess I’ll just drop it here. This one needs to die in a spectacular, never ending grease fire.

Fuck your feelings and your tears, McConnell. Prioritize much?

True and horrifying

Jake Tapper:

history will note that as this horrific record of daily COVID deaths was set, the president was busy pushing out lies and deranged conspiracy theories about the election.

Well, at least Trump's fraud accusations are getting a fair, well reasoned hearing.

Read the thread. These people are even crazier than Dear Leader at his twitteriest.

Twitter will have to ban Trump on January 20th. That will be the end of him.

r283 Moscow Mitch, his tears, as well as Lamar Alexander should be dropped where they belong: the toilet!

It’s kind of crazy to think that only three federal Republicans (Trump, Cory Gardner, and Martha McSally) lost re-election. Not a single House Republican lost re-election.

R289, because they fucking cheated. They didn't cheat enough in the presidential and went overboard down ticket because they didn't realize so many would split their tickets against Trump. Graham and McConnell's numbers are insanely unrealistic. I honestly think that one of the reasons the Repugs are going along with the Trump shitshow right now is that it is cover against anyone looking too closely at the cheating the Repugs actually did.

That all changes on January 20th. The new Attorney General better do his or her fucking job and Biden better not kumbaya this shit onto some moral high ground, we go high back burner!

R290 It is beyond a shadow of a doubt republicans cheated. Their numbers made no sense given every election from 2017 on where they were seeing 20-30 point swings towards Dems in every election. This election was for redrawing congressional districts so they cheated.

Yeah, if the Repugs had lost the state houses (as expected), they would never win the majority in the House ever again. Unless we work to prove it over the next two years, the only hope we have of actual representation instead of a gerrymandered mess will be the courts. There's a reason McConnell is, to this very day, still getting judges through while thousands of Americans die and the Covid relief package lays on his bathroom floor with shit stains on it.

Let's drop in on yesterday's Michigan legislature hearing featuring Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis, shall we? Highlights include:

• One of Guiliani's witnesses, a Republican poll watcher at the TCF Center in Detroit on Election Day, opined that people should not be allowed to vote without a photo ID because "all Chinese look alike."

• Another witness, Melissa Carone, who claims she worked as a contractor for Dominion Voting Systems but was unable to coherently describe her job duties, insisted that she witnessed blatant and massive fraud when ballots were being counted – including instances of poll workers running the same ballots through voting machines "thousands of times."

None of the witnesses, including Giuliani, were sworn in, so there is no penalty if they're found to be lying.

On the strength of witnesses like these, Giuliani asked Michigan legislators to "take back your power" and disregard certified election results showing Joe Biden won the state's popular vote.

We have no hope with the courts

What mean we, white man?

[quote] We have no hope with the courts

We’ve done pretty well so far. Trump is 1-40.

The courts in several states so far have already overturned the gerrymandered bullshit that Repugs have come up with and called voting districts. Some of the courts have redrawn them themselves when the Repugs failed to fix them in a timely manner.

[quote] When Trump was elected in ‘16, Melania used it as a chance to renegotiate her prenup. They spoke thru lawyers until the morning of his inauguration. First face to face in weeks, as Trump greets his kids, he sees Mel and mouths the words, ‘F*ck you.’ Look it up.

R297, the current SCOTUS will reverse that.

Colbert

Ol' nasty Rudy aired out his bowels during the hearings yesterday.

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One of trumps WI lawsuits has been assigned to a trump appointee. Here we go....

Trump just got denied by the WI Supreme Court. It’s so beyond over that even Miss Pence has had her name removed from all the emails and texts AND doesn’t appear on the new Trump WI lawsuit.

A 4-3 decision

Located in northwestern Michigan, Leelanau County is one of the few truly Dem trending counties in the state. This tourism dependent county has seen a leftward swing in the Trump era (even pre-COVID).

R290 SC and KY were indeed insanely off. So was NC with Tillis. Maine, Iowa, and Montana numbers looked skewed in Senate races. Mississippi polling had the Senate race much closer than the result.

Graham shooting up 11 points from polling to votes was extreme. SC has a very controlled Republican elections apparatus. This gave Graham confidence to try to meddle in neighboring Georgia's election counting.

Races in certain states did look like there was hanky-panky happening. All of it by Republican operatives.

Cuomo explains why CNN won't air Trump's 46-minute speech

[quote]One of trumps WI lawsuits has been assigned to a trump appointee. Here we go....

The coup is far from over!!!

I'm the Connie, you're the Sandra, r309...

Is there any problem in the world that could not be solved by a good, hard slap from Constance Ford?

If only Constance Ford were still around to give Trump some much-needed bitch slaps.

Join the Original Broadway Company on December 13th at 8:30PM ET for "History is Happening in Georgia: A #HamFam Holiday Celebration in support of @ReverendWarnock and @Ossoff ". RSVP today:

The WI Supreme Court to reject the case was 4-3, but the rejection of tossing out ballots was 6-1. The 1 dissenter is a federalist cunt made in the same factory as Amy covid Barrett.

Maybe Rudy, Sidney, et al will bring this up next when alleging election fraud

Oh, she's here, r312...

R315 They need to disbar his ass and LOCK HIM UP.

"Colorado Christian does not have a law school or a program in constitutional law. Ms. Ellis has taught pre-law and political science to undergraduates and was part of the team that developed and advised a moot court program, according to a university spokesman. Eventually she was made an assistant professor of legal studies - but 'never a professor of constitutional law,' which is how she identified herself in pieces for The Washington Examiner that she started writing in 2017. "

Naughty, naughty

Slate:

NEW: A former U.S. Attorney has asked the Georgia election board to investigate Secretary Raffensberger’s allegations that Lindsey Graham asked him to illegally throw out legal ballots. Graham’s alleged act is a criminal offense under Georgia law.

Donald Trump had the best performance of any Republican Presidential candidate in New York City since 2004. Below is a map showing how he did it. He improved on his 2016 numbers almost everywhere, but made huge gains in the Bronx, Queens, and Orthodox Jewish communities.

@Elections_Daily 1. Biden lost share in Boston, NYC (all 5 boroughs), SF, LA, Miami, Philly, Chicago, Cleveland, Atlanta, & Detroit.

2. But Biden gained share in suburbs of big cities in GA, PA, WI, MI, AZ.

3. And Biden lost share among POC to Trump, but gained % of white men.

The only challengers to do better than Joe Biden’s 51.3% of the popular vote were Thomas Jefferson in 1800 (61.4%), Andrew Jackson in 1828 (56.4%), William H. Harrison in 1840 (52.9%), and Franklin Roosevelt in 1932 (57.4%).

@ObsoleteDogma @TheDemCoalition 🍑🍑🍑 GEORGIA 🍑🍑🍑 Early in person voting starts 12/14/20. Don’t wait till 1/5/21 to vote in person. Knock it out early!!

Located in northwestern Michigan, Leelanau County is one of the few truly Dem trending counties in the state. This tourism dependent county has seen a leftward swing in the Trump era (even pre-COVID).

OMG brilliant!

[quote] Biden lost share among POC to Trump, but gained % of white men.

A lot of Black and Latino men like macho types who speak (extremely) plainly and act 'strong'. Add social conservatism, and voila Trump's share increases.

Biden's win came from the suburbs.

Alto has asked the state of PA to respond to Mike Kelly’s PA lawsuit but he set the deadline for their response as December 9th, after the safe harbor date. SCOTUS will likely not hear it but if they did it would be moot for the election since it’s after safe harbor.

BREAKING: Trump raises $495 million since mid-October, including a massive haul fueled by misleading appeals about election fraud

@On_Politike No one would have imagined 5 years ago that democratic margins in Queens and Bronx will drop 15% and increase 10% in Long Island, Westchester.

President-elect Biden says Trump attending his inauguration is "important in the sense that we are able to demonstrate the end of this chaos that he’s created, that there is peaceful transfer of power with the competing parties standing there, shaking hands, and moving on."

[quote] "important in the sense that we are able to demonstrate the end of this chaos that he’s created, that there is peaceful transfer of power with the competing parties standing there, shaking hands, and moving on."

Which is why I have argued that Hillary deserves a lot of respect for showing up four years ago. It had to be brutal to her in and of itself even without the booing and open hostility. But yet, she did it for the country.

Can you even imagine how smug the MAGAs would be right now if she hadn't done that for us?

Share of vote 21st c. presidential candidates

1) Obama 2008 52.9 2) Biden 2020 51.3 3) Obama 2012 51.1 4) Bush 2004 50.7 5) Gore 2000 48.4 6) Kerry 2004 48.3 7) Clinton 2016 48.2 8) Bush 2000 47.9 9) Romney 2012 47.2 10) Trump 2020 46.9 11) Trump 2016 46.1 12) McCain 2008 45.7

[quote]nutbag country lawyers Sidney Powell and Lin Wood RELEASED THE KRAKEN but unfortunately it turned out the Kraken was a few hundred tentacles shy of a full squid.

495MILLUON?!! Fools and their money are soon parted, INDEED!

r322 I'm pretty sure some DLers voted in all those elections.

Stassen all the way!

Tasteful Friends,

[quote] Kelly Loeffler is campaigning on understanding what it feels like living paycheck to paycheck.

[quote] This is one of her 5 homes.

R2 Not really a deep analysis, but you might be interested in this gif put up yesterday:

The federal case in WI is happening now in front of a trump appointed judge. Scary....

Interesting, R338.

I remember Ohio being ass-backward from when I lived in Ohio both as a young child and again very briefly in the early 90s after grad school. I wouldn't have expected it to be so close to purple only 8 years ago.

Also, it would be interesting to see how this overlays with population decline outside of the urban centers.

R340 Yes, it would be more informative if it could be represented as a cartogram, with population centers proportionate to their numbers.

Don't Go Back

75 (!) PA state republicans have written a letter to the PA delegation in congress asking them to reject PA’s electors in January. Its hard to find words for how outrageous this is.

The speaker of the PA house signed his name.

The PA majority leader has also signed it. It won’t make a difference but 75 republicans asked for millions of votes to be thrown out because Trump lost. They should be round up after Biden takes office and hung for treason.

Doesn't seem like there is any cost to the 75. The people who voted for them in their gerrymandered state districts would vote for them again.

Shouldn’t the USSC issue orders soon denying these appeals? Does anyone know how many cases went up to the high court?

If there’s any objections in congress then Pelosi will become president on January 20th and NO ONE wants that. There will be shenanigans from the Trumpy members of the house but it will just be obnoxious theater. If there’s an actual objection and the senate and the house disagree then it defaults to the governors electors.

I'll take her.

R345 still...it’s disturbing that 75 politicians would put their name on a piece of paper asking members of congress to ignore the will of the voters and appoint the person who they want to win. It doesn’t bode well for the future of the country. The Republican Party must be destroyed and it must be destroyed ASAP.

In one of the PA cases, Alioto has asked for briefing after the safe harbor deadline. So the case won’t matter. Not sure about other cases.

R350 they’ve pretty much given up on any kind of legitimate legal strategy. They’re now trying to get the results overturned in congress and in the state legislators.

It’s painfully obvious the US is on its last legs. We simply live in two different realities. We can’t agree on anything. Nothing gets accomplished. Serious consideration needs to be given to breaking up the union into blue and red states. Give everyone a two year period to move to whichever country they wants and then that’s it. I’m perfectly fine with watching the red states wither away and die without the aid from CA, NYC, and New England.

[quote] The federal case in WI is happening now in front of a trump appointed judge. Scary....

AP reports on the case .... "JUDGE CALLS TRUMP REQUEST IN WISCONSIN LAWSUIT 'BIZARRE'

(link)

Trump has filed a lawsuit in Georgia to have the election thrown out and has asked for a do-over election or for GAs electoral votes to be thrown out.

I would be fine if the red states went their own way but they would still want to invade the blue states, make them red, put Democrats in jail, and revive slavery. This is not a test.

R355 the red states would be too broke to afford an army that would have the ability to do that.

They have guns. They would invade or blow up things. Unfortunately we are stuck with accommodation.

The Trump strategy seems to be file frivolous lawsuits, put loyalists in government, and grift. Time for a mercy killing.

Is it finally time to split the country into the United States of Canada and Jesusland?

R358 Why are Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada in Jesusland?

R359 Reading the first line of the article would've answered that one for you.

OK, R359. They can come.

Brad Heath@bradheath

[quote]President Trump has asked a state court to give him a do-over in Georgia. Or to possibly just set aside the state's electors entirely.

[quote]This is the closest Trump has come to pushing some of his far-fetched election conspiracies in court.

Even if the state's electors were set aside, Biden still wins.

Marc E. Elias@marceelias

[quote]BREAKING: 11th Circuit DISMISSES Georgia Kraken appeal.

[quote]Trump and his allies remain 1-44 in post-election litigation.

What's the "1" court case they've won?

[quote]What's the "1" court case they've won?

Kent Streseman@kentstreseman

[quote]...Expansion the ID-verification correction window in PA for late-received mail-in ballots. The statutory period is 6 days post election; the SoS expanded it to 9. Sensible decision by the court that affected a few dozen ballots.

The ballots were already segregated and were not being counted. They won a case even though it was already being done.

Greg Bluestein (AJC reporter):

I’m told by a senior Georgia official that there have been a number of threats today against elections staffers and at least one state legislator after yesterday’s hearings, and some are pushing House Republicans to postpone another round of elex hearings until January.

Trump is a menace. We need some friendly fire to take him out. They should start referring to his allies as cult followers.

R366 Thanks!

Greg Bluestein (AJC reporter):

No, there's no "suitcase" full of suspicious ballots. No, poll watchers were not told to leave. No, you shouldn't believe the latest attempt by Trump's campaign trying to undermine the integrity of Georgia's vote.

Don Moynihan (Professor at Georgetown):

WI Supreme Court again declines to take another lawsuit that seeks to overturn the election.

Conservative Hagedorn not just joins with the liberals here, but calls out this nonsense for what it is: "the most dramatic invocation of judicial power I have ever seen."

It’s high time the courts star punishing these people. The case in AZ was thrown out -the one to throw our certification- and hours later more AZ GOP members filed ANOTHER lawsuit asking for the same thing. How on earth is that allowed?

I love this article. DL worthy snark at it's best.

[quote]“If the United States were a regular country, Joe Biden would be getting massive pressure right now from major powers to update and upgrade the antiquated American electoral system,” Dov H. Levin, assistant professor of international relations at the University of Hong Kong, told me. “There would be hundreds of electoral experts descending to tell the U.S. how to do this. They could require, for example, that the U.S. set up an independent election committee to be in charge of determining who won instead of Fox News and CNN.”

[quote]We are not a regular country. We are an exceptional one, so much so that we participate regularly in everybody else’s elections. One out of every 11 elections around the world between 1946 and 2000 featured some sort of U.S. intervention, according to Dr. Levin’s new book, “Meddling in the Ballot Box.” That made me feel all the more neglected. We invaded Iraq to free them from a despot. We helped redesign Kenya’s entire electoral system after its disputed election. Isn’t it time they returned the favor? After all we have done for democracy everywhere, how could the world abandon us now?

With Trump going to GA today, i expect things will get much uglier leading up to the 8th and the 14th. Stay safe if you live in GA

it is not incidental that Democrats are seeing attrition among people of faith at the same time that Republicans are gaining among people of color. African Americans and Hispanics, for instance, tend to be more religious and socially conservative than whites on average. People lose sight of this because many minority populations have decisively skewed towards Democrats. However, this does not mean they are overall liberal. In fact, African Americans and Hispanics are among the least "culturally left" constituents within the Democratic coalition. I have heard many black people express disdain at Democrats for disrespecting Christianity and sacred faith, and many think Democrats are hostile to Christianity.

Fact: Joe Biden won the White House carrying just 17% of America's counties, the lowest share of any winner in history.

Fact: Voters, not counties, decide elections.

I have heard many black people disdain Democrats for their lack of rhythm, r375.

Democrats consist of an uneasy coalition that may have clashing values and interests. Republicans are largely a homogeneous near-monolith

A few traditionally blue counties that flipped red this year:

Alamosa, CO Burke, GA Scotland, NC Lorain, OH Mahoning, OH Clarendon, SC Dillon, SC Frio, TX Jim Wells, TX Kleberg, TX La Salle, TX Reeves, TX Val Verde, TX Zapata, TX

Ms Paris Dennard is trolling this thread heavily.

Paris is straight

Yeah, so was Liberace. Seriously, Paris (or is that you, "Bishop" Eddie Long?) @R382, stop embarrassing yourself - go stuff your face with some Chick-Fil-A.

[quote] Republicans are largely a homogeneous near-monolith

Isn't there a recognized divide, though, between the 'elites' and the MAGA rubes?

I still can’t believe Susan Collins ended up winning by 9 points. Sara Gideon should be ashamed of herself. She raised $80 million

It's hard to get rid of the dinosaurs in the U.S. Senate.

Voters buy into the idea that the more senior their senators are, the more power this bestows to their state.

You can’t blame Gideon for an electorate that buys Colllins’ pretense that she is an agent for moderation and independence

[bold]Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America’s economy. What does this mean for the nation’s political-economic divide?[/bold]

ven with a new president and political party soon in charge of the White House, the nation’s economic standoff continues. Notwithstanding President-elect Joe Biden’s solid popular vote victory, last week’s election failed to deliver the kind of transformative reorientation of the nation’s political-economic map that Democrats (and some Republicans) had hoped for. The data confirms that the election sharpened the striking geographic divide between red and blue America, instead of dispelling it.

Most notably, the stark economic rift that Brookings Metro documented after Donald Trump’s shocking 2016 victory has grown even wider. In 2016, we wrote that the 2,584 counties that Trump won generated just 36% of the country’s economic output, whereas the 472 counties Hillary Clinton carried equated to almost two-thirds of the nation’s aggregate economy.

A similar analysis for last week’s election shows these trends continuing, albeit with a different political outcome. This time, Biden’s winning base in 477 counties encompasses fully 70% of America’s economic activity, while Trump’s losing base of 2,497 counties represents just 29% of the economy. (Votes are still outstanding in 110 mostly low-output counties, and this piece will be updated as new data is reported.)

more at link

2016, 2018 and 2020 showed that the Trump voter only comes out for Trump.

The Democratic future is solidified in 2022.

R389, two months ago, you probably were claiming that 2018, 2019 showed Democrats would come out in droves in 202 to vote out Republicans

[quote]I still can’t believe Susan Collins ended up winning by 9 points. Sara Gideon should be ashamed of herself. She raised $80 million

She didn't. They cheated. Graham, McConnell, Tillis, and Collins. Their numbers are ridiculous and unbelievable. Half the reason the Repugs are letting Trump continue with the lawsuits is to cover the Repug cheating that actually happened. Can you imagine any Democrats bringing fraud lawsuits right now? Nope. Our only hope is that will happen after January with real lawyers and real proof. Having the AG, FBI, CIA, and the rest of the intelligence community working for the Biden administration is going to make a huge difference in actually looking into the fraud that occured this year and in 2016.

Isn't it funny how after the election, all the rioting and looting that was blamed on BLM has stopped? Hm. It couldn't possibly have been a bunch of Repug bullshit by Repug assholes, could it?

Greg Bluestein (AJC reporter):

Trump falsely claims hundreds of thousands of ballots were tossed out. “We are watching Georgia very, very closely.” Now he’s attacking Kemp and Raffensperger, accusing them of being “afraid of Stacey Abrams.” Booos echo thru the crowd.

What you just said R391 (the Repugs cheated!) without any proof or evidence is basically the same thing Trump and his ilk have been saying about Democrats. It sounds totally hypocritical. All these bogus accusations of cheating by both sides without evidence needs to stop. We had an election. Votes were counted. The people who got elected or re-elected did so because people voted for them.

Kyle Griffin:

An Atlanta state senator has asked for police protection after people posting on conservative social media said she should be killed over her participation in hearings about unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud pushed by Trump supporters.

R394, did you not pay attention to the evidence of votes flipping in 2016? The fact that the Russians infiltrated voter rolls in all 50 states ahead of 2016? None of it was investigated because the Repugs were in charge. That's not lack of evidence. That's corruption. And, of course, they are still doing it. Why would they stop? On the other side, the Repugs have just make up stuff and, even after having spent years trying to prove it, have found nothing. You'll have an argument two years from now if there are actual investigations that show no cheating by the Repugs. As of right now, the Repugs have dug under every rock for the last four years and have found nothing. With almost no investigation at the national level due to Repugs being in charge of the national mechanisms of investigation, we already know that Russians (who backed Trump) hacked all 50 states and that voting machines were hackable to switch votes. We'll see.

Patricia Murphy (AJC politics reporter):

New: Two sources confirm the call in which Kemp again refused Trump’s demand to overturn election.

I bet Kemp wishes he hadn't stolen the election from Stacey Abrams now.

Dump's making the USA look like a Central American dictatorship from the 70s.

Mike Murphy (Infuriated GOP Strategist):

We cannot normalize his behavior. It is an attack on our Constitution and our Democracy. Right now it’s just stupid, damaging and wildly irresponsible lie telling but if he tries any action beyond his idiotic lawsuits, it’s treason. #LockHimUp

lolzers

teehee

How the the Hopi & Navajo nations helped Biden win Arizona:

[quote]In northern AZ, the precincts that make up the Hopi & Navajo nations are deep blue: Clinton and Biden each won the area by 65%. But turnout was key.

[quote]Biden's 35.6K raw vote margin was 9,500 more than Clinton's 26.1K. That accounts for almost all his 10.5K state margin over Trump.

r390, yes I was on the bandwagon. Now, I see that it is the racist cult of Trump that decided 2018 when he was not on the ballot.

We shall see.

Here we go....Alito has moved up the deadline for PA to respond to the SCOTUS case that was filed from after the safe harbor date to before.

The coup is in full swing

.@Marcus4America: Campaigns need to listen to people on the ground... Folks come into town wanting to take over narratives, instead of winning an election. That's a problem. You can't take the #Iowa tactics that didn't work in Iowa & try to implement them with Black voters #AMJoy

[quote]The coup is in full swing

STFU.

The crazy drunk bitch from the Michigan hearing harassed her ex's new girlfriend by sending her videos of her and her ex fucking, then claimed he hacked her and was sending them himself.

Sorry, I fucked that up, and got the relationship the wrong way round - she was sending the videos to her then-boyfriend's ex-wife.

Calmer heads think Alito just did that to deflect criticism that he deliberately ran out the clock and wasn't showing "respect" to the petitioners.

Rudy has COVID.

My thoughts and prayers to COVID.

Richest Senator in Congress and that's the best weave Kelly can slap on her head? "Oh, Diane!"

And the colored girls sing... "doop de doop de doop de doop..."

Late Sunday ... Joint statement from Georgia's governor and lieutenant governor.

[quote] While we understand four members of the Georgia Senate are requesting the convening of a special session of the General Assembly, doing this in order to select a separate slate of presidential electors is not an option that is allowed under state or federal law.

Michigan’s Secretary of State, Jocelyn Benson, says that armed individuals showed up outside her home shouting obscenities:

Why are the maga crazies more likely to go after women so violently - Gretchen Wilmer, now Benson?

Am I missing more examples when they acted like this toward men?

It seems absurd to me to wanna win under pressured circumstances. Either being the president of the United States is so great which I'm sure it is and you just can't give it up or you are really afraid of what people can find out when you're not.

OMG - it’s come down to Georgia protecting democracy? Wow. Rudy said they were about to flip before God struck him down with Covid. Republicans really have gone crazy and it’s frightening.

[quote]OMG - it’s come down to Georgia protecting democracy? Wow. Rudy said they were about to flip before God struck him down with Covid.

Keep in mind that Rudy is deranged. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into anything he might say.

One more week until the madness is mostly over. I expect the shit to fly even further off the rails this week but we’re almost there.

Sidney Powell’s Georgia kraken has gone down in flames. DISMISSED.

From the judge's opinion:

[quote]"In fact, this lawsuit seems to be less about achieving the relief Plaintiffs seek — as much of that relief is beyond the power of this Court — and more about the impact of their allegations on People’s faith in the democratic process and their trust in our government," reads a portion of the 36-page opinion.

[quote]"Plaintiffs ask this Court to ignore the orderly statutory scheme established to challenge elections and to ignore the will of millions of voters. This the Court cannot, and will not, do. The people have spoken."

So the Kraken has now failed in both Georgia and Michigan

As mentioned upthread: "it turned out the Kraken was a few hundred tentacles shy of a full squid".

That judge didn’t even take 30 seconds to deliberate and he ruled right from the bench which is apparently very rare in a federal courtroom. Sidney Powell should be arrested and forced to pay back the GA and MI tax payers. I smell a few class action lawsuits in her near future...

[quote]So the Kraken has now failed in both Georgia and Michigan

But, but . . . Sidney Powell was so certain that the kraken would blow this rigged election wide open! And, of course, the deplorables believed her.

Guess she's not feeling quite so smug now. When even Ghouliani doesn't want you on Trump's legal team, it's time to take a look at the choices you're making.

[quote]Guess she's not feeling quite so smug now

Oh I don't know, it depends how many people actually donated to her "legal fund".

Trump and Pence just sued Biden and Harris in Wisconsin. Outrageous.

Tomorrow, December 8th, is the date to quiet Electoral College Elector's votes prior to the 12-14 EC Vote.

Funny how Trump has forgotten about AZ, NV, WI and MN and is only focused on the Republican Legislatures of MI, PA and GA.

They’re flooding the courts today so that these states miss the safe harbor deadline. Another one has popped up in PA too

Can someone clear up what the safe harbor is? All these states that have active cases have all been certified and sent to congress. So doesn’t that make all the cases moot after tomorrow? Or is it if there are active cases the certifications aren’t valid yet? I’m seeing conflicting things

Look what the super-spreader actually DID accomplish in Arizona ... LOL!

R431 Googling "safe harbor" brings up plenty of articles which answer your question, so stop being lazy and do some research.

If votes are certified and electors appointed by the safe harbor date, Congress has to honor those results.

More than 270 electors have already been appointed for Biden.

He’s focused on PA MI, and GA because either one of those latter two, combined with PA, are the only two state options for whittling Biden’s count down to a tied 270 electoral votes.

Without PA he’d need to flip THREE states, not two, to change the results.

R433 I’ve read two articles saying two different things. One says that if it’s certified by the safe harbor date then it means that the state has met the deadline. But another article says that all challenges in court must be resolved by then which means the states trump has active cases in will not be considered to have met the deadline.

It’s confusing.

CNN: House conservatives urge Trump not to concede; press for floor fight over election loss -- even after electoral votes are tallied next week.

They're really going to embarrass themselves.

Nothing will stop Biden being inaugurated and Trump is just stirring up the deplorables to raise money. The "conservatives" in Congress are scared because Trump could primary them in two years. What a bunch of cowards.

[quote]re the only two state options for whittling Biden’s count down to a tied 270 electoral votes.

If Biden got cut down to 270 EV's he'd still win. 270 of 538 votes is a majority. Trump would need to flip three states, not two.

WaPo: Trump asks PA house speaker for help overturning election results, speaker says no.

I'm with Brian Sims. It's time to start talking about the crime of Sedition for anyone who even thinks about doing Dump's bidding.

They can’t and won’t do shit in congress. It happens every election. In 2016 plenty of democrats objected to the electoral college votes and Biden had to tell them all to stfu. In 2000 and 2004 there were “official” challenges that were both voted down by the house and senate. There aren’t votes in the senate even if there was a challenge, and the house obviously would not accept it.

My mistake. You’re correct, R440. I should have majored in arithmetic instead of poly sci.

I’m really nervous about the scotus case tomorrow. I don’t trust Alito. He may actually take the case.

Yup it could all come crashing down tomorrow if Alito decides to send the case to a full court review. He just might.

I hope not. The entire effort has been a giant waste of the court’s and public’s time. And what is Jim Jordan doing saying they really need to debate it in Congress in January? They can’t admit Trump lost because he is a shitty candidate? Complete assholes. And when Biden takes office they will be even bigger assholes. Americans are fucked.

Americans aren't fucked, Republicans are fucked! LOL!

Trump attacks the Governor of Georgia, Lieutenant-Governor and the Secretary of State:

[quote]RINOS @BrianKempGA, @GeoffDuncanGA, & Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, will be solely responsible for the potential loss of our two GREAT Senators from Georgia, @sendavidperdue & @KLoeffler. Won’t call a Special Session or check for Signature Verification! People are ANGRY!

Of course he has to proactively blame others since his rally was a bust.

People are angry at you Donald.

It is not him who is scary- it’s republicans who are scary. They are full on behind this. Never trust another one.

R452 speaks true!!!!!!

[quote]And what is Jim Jordan doing saying they really need to debate it in Congress in January?

Gym is not in a position to demand a House debate on anything.

They can’t do a signature verification in Georgia because the signatures were separated from the ballot.

Texas is up to something

[quote]Yup it could all come crashing down tomorrow if Alito decides to send the case to a full court review.

If Alito takes the case the Supreme court will be in a middle of a rats nest. These cases are like a game of Whac-a-Mole.

[quote]They can’t and won’t do shit in congress. It happens every election. In 2016 plenty of democrats objected to the electoral college votes and Biden had to tell them all to stfu.

What did Biden have to do with the 2016 election?

As VP, Biden was president of the senate at the time R458

R458 the president of the senate, the VP, is responsible for counting the electors votes and certifying the election in the join session of congress on the 6th. So Miss Pence will be certifying her own defeat like Al Gore had to do.

I’ll bet anything that Alito will refer the PA case to the full court to decide whether or not to hear it. He doesn’t give a shit about democracy.

The one Trump voter I'm on speaking terms with is so completely enclosed in an alt-right bubble that he genuinely doesn't understand why anyone wouldn't vote for Trump because Trump is such a fantastic president and great guy. So the election HAD to have been rigged by Trump's enemies because who would actually vote for Biden?

NYT's Alan Feuer:

Chris Krebs, the former head of the US cybersecurity agency, has filed a lawsuit against the Trump lawyer Joe DiGenova accusing him, the Trump campaign & the TV outlet Newsmax of a "pernicious conspiracy" to harm GOPers who stood up to POTUS' claims of election fraud.

R459, the difference is that Biden is an honorable man. Pence is... Pence.

Mother Pence will say whatever Trump asks him to say. There is no free thought or honor there.

Trump's lawyer Jenna Ellis has informed associates she has coronavirus.

From breathing Rudy’s farts no doubt. RIP

The end of the Trump era has turned into a farce.

As opposed to the beginning and middle farces?

Did Alioto also schedule oral argument or will he rule only the briefing? Stick a fork in it already.

The coup is still going full steam ahead

Sorry I haven't kept up - how was Trump's rally a bust?

I can’t wait for the 14th. Will be interesting to see what the GOP says when they can no longer use the “Biden isn’t officially president elect until the EC votes” talking point

He spent more time talking about election fraud than the two Georgia candidates. He almost admitted he lost by “mistake” a couple of times. And he already is assigning blame to others if one or both lose.

I hope Biden drops any illusions that he’s going to be able to work with these people. These people who won’t even recognize that he won the election. He shouldn’t even give them the time of day. Rule by executive order on anything that he can. Veto everything the senate puts in front of him. Order his justice department to go after any and every Republican who supported this coup. Endorse executions for treason. Rule with an iron fist.

He won’t of course. But it’s fun to dream.

[quote]Did Alioto also schedule oral argument or will he rule only the briefing?

Alioto is a Democratic political family in San Francisco.

[quote]The coup is still going full steam ahead

Will you please STFU.

Trump GA rally was bust because he spent most of the time ginning up fake allegations about voting fraud, further lending credence to the idea of "why vote in the runoff" claims.

TX lawsuit is being brought by TX AG who has been accused by HIS OWN AIDES that he engaged in illegal activity. It is a meritless lawsuit, that has no standing.

Looks like the old "whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad" is going full bore now.

I love watching these vipers rip each other to shreds. More!

[quote] It is a meritless lawsuit, that has no standing.

And they know all of that. They’re just trying to ingratiate themselves to the many, many psycho Trumpers throughout Texas.

Trump plots mass pardons, even to people not asking

Jonathan Swan

President Trump isn't just accepting pardon requests but blindly discussing them "like Christmas gifts" to people who haven't even asked, sources with direct knowledge of the conversations told Axios.

Behind the scenes: Trump recently told one adviser he was going to pardon "every person who ever talked to me," suggesting an even larger pardon blitz to come. As with most Trump conversations, the adviser wasn't sure how seriously to take the president — although Trump gave no indication he was joking.

The big picture: The president relishes his unilateral authority to issue get-out-of-jail-free cards. Lately, though, he's been soliciting recipients, asking friends and advisers who they think he should pardon.

Trump has also interrupted conversations to spontaneously suggest that he add the person he's speaking with to his pardon list, these sources said.

Happy Safe Harbor Day!

Supreme Court rejects GOP bid to overturn Biden's victory in Pennsylvania

Ding dong!

DENIED

My guess is SCOTUS won't even acknowledge TX AG suit.

Me and the rather large lady are singing. " Guess it's over, the chips are down (whoa). Nearly all our bridges tumbled down"....

R486 I think they technically have to acknowledge it because it’s a state vs state case but they could let it wither away and die on a vine and dismiss it next year

Well its almost 6pm Eastern on safe harbor day so you may be right R488

r481 This vile cretin has set such a low bar for violating presidential norms, that from now on, whenever a Repug accuses Biden or another Dem president of slightest infraction, we can easily counter

[quote] be interesting to see what the GOP says when they can no longer use the “Biden isn’t officially president elect until the EC votes” talking point

[quote]Supreme Court rejects GOP bid to overturn Biden's victory in Pennsylvania

But, but the coup is still going full steam ahead!

Brad Heath@bradheath

[quote]Texas' #SCOTUS suit seeking to overturn the results of elections in four states that didn't elect Trump relies in part on the testimony of Melissa Carone, who became an SNL character after a Mich. hearing and was found by a state court to be not credible.

The Texas lawsuit ... Is this how Ken Paxton earns his pardon for future criminal charges?

Is Rudy going to admit he was a giant failure? Trump will not pay him a dime.

Has Chrissy Metz begun her vocal warmup yet?

Trump can reward Rudy by pardoning him in advance for the crime of Seditious Conspiracy.

[quote]Is this how Ken Paxton earns his pardon for future criminal charges?

Bingo.

I wonder how long it will take Trumptardo to start attacking the supreme court justices he installed for not somehow overturning the election even though no credible case has been brought to them. I have no doubt that in his mind they should have tried harder to achieve his "win". Isn't that why he rushed to install the most recent one? I already forgot her name.

I love some of the comments on Esquire's take...

Pence

RME.

"Inauguration planning the latest thing to enter the controversy zone: Republicans oppose recognizing Biden will be inaugurated."

Did ya hear- Russians will have to stop drinking in order to take the vaccine. Our Russian trolls friends, I’m so, so sorry, I ahahahahahahahahahaha

No seriously, I feel really ba...ahahahahahahahahaahahhahaha

Team Dump denies that it's over in Pennsylvania and says Kelly's case is still pending before SCOTUS.

Hawaii has certified its results. They were the last ones.

Happy Safe Harbor Day.

R499, the whole point of Trump appointing Amy Covid Barrett was so she would rule in his favor in the inevitable (to him) case that was supposed to overrule the election. He has been planning this for months. Mitch McConnell was trying to ram her through to fix the election. She was supposed to be a Trump lackey, bought off by handing her the seat.

I get the impression that from her point of view, her whole purpose there is to get rid of abortion, she would do or say anything to Trump to get on the Supreme Court so she could get rid of abortion. She doesn’t give a shit about Trump or anything he wants, she just wants to ban abortion and nothing else. She’s religious and an extreme conservative, but it’s not guaranteed she’s going to go right down the Trump cult’s laundry list, it’s religion uber alles with her.

People like that are usually not very smart, so she may well just go along with others on the court for non-abortion issues.

I think Trump et al had a fantasy they would maybe lose a state or two and the courts would save them. They were of course completely wrong. They wasted a whole month, all because Donald was not strong enough to admit defeat. It’s pathetic what that party has become. Brainwashed cult members.

Jenna is suffering from Covid dementia from Rudy farts. It’s over for her.

When will this end?

One must remember that this is the Trump way. Way back when, decades ago, Creepy Fred Trump and his creepy son Donald lost a case that said they couldn't descriminate against people of color when renting out apartments. They left the courtroom and insisted they won, even though they lost. They've been doing it ever since.

[quote]Hawaii has certified its results. They were the last ones.

I don’t think Wisconsin certified yet. They have a lawsuit pending.

Incorrect.

R479 set me off investigating, having not heard the quote. Found this antecedent that seems very a propos to our situation - I guess by 'god' he means Zeus, or it may just be misleading to us as monotheists ?:

An early version of the phrase Whom the gods would destroy... appears in verses 620–623 of Sophocles’ play Antigone: "τὸ κακὸν δοκεῖν ποτ᾽ ἐσθλὸν τῷδ᾽ ἔμμεν' ὅτῳ φρένας θεὸς ἄγει πρὸς ἄταν" to mean that "evil appears as good in the minds of those whom god leads to destruction"

R513 That same Wisconsin newspaper reported that the state certified its election November 30.

Once the EC votes next week, the Republicans will have to acknowledge Biden as the president-elect in all matters. They're just waiting on that so they have legal cover to say it. The Trumptards will still scream about it, though.

Brad Heath (Reuters):

Meanwhile, over on planet-Parler, the Supreme Court's decision is being met (as many things there are) with calls for martial law and armed insurrection.

Republicans: Mask mandates and restaurant closures are fascism!

Also Republicans: Declare martial law and overturn the election!

The weirdos over at the thedonald.win are creaming themselves over the idea of civil war. I guess they think armed insurrection would be like playing Call of Duty.

Are they planning a civil war with ballots? Who or what exactly are they planning to shoot?

Trump has been silent on Twitter for 10 hours. Crying alone?

How on Earth would a modern Civil War even look? How would the MAGAs know who the “libtards” were? Or would this ultimately just be a murder free-for-all perpetrated on anyone black, brown, Asian, wearing a hijab, gay, etc.?

R504 According CNN legal analyst/election blogger, Rick Hasen, what dumb Jenna leaves out is timing:

[quote] Rep. Kelly asked for emergency relief. He didn't get it. He can still file a cert petition, seeking a Supreme Court appeal. This usually takes a few months to rule upon, and by then it will be too late.

[quote]Mitch McConnell was trying to ram her

Pics please.

Wisconsin was the only state to miss the safe harbor deadline

Anybody on Parler that can verify this ridiculousness?

William LeGate @williamlegate

9h

Parler users are now saying Trump's entire legal team is faking COVID because they no longer want to fight for Trump & that Trump's own Supreme Court justices have been bribed by Fidel Castro to join the CCP (I'm unfortunately not joking)

Fidel Castro must be some superhuman being, seeing as he’s dead. I think it’s hysterical that they think robot Amy is part of this effort to join the CCP.

If I understood correctly, Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro were working together to "dump" Republican votes in Michigan - or maybe it was Pennsylvania - yeah, Philly. You have to stay on top of things to keep up with Q

Yes, with help from Zombie Mao.

[quote]Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro were working together to "dump" Republican votes in Michigan - or maybe it was Pennsylvania - yeah, Philly.

But JFK Jr. was working to thwart them.

These Deplorables are really TOO STUPID and TOO GULLIBLE to live.

[quote]You have to stay on top of things to keep up with Q

Or underground where all of their heroes and villains seem to reside.

Wait, where does JFK jr fit into this scenario?

JFK Jr is Q r533.

Remember when Joe Kennedy told son Jack, I don’t want to waste money buying any more votes than are absolutely necessary? There was a time when both sides played this wicked game. Somebody named Daly in Chicago?

Then the Dems found Jesus – or by losing him, they found honesty and wimphood – oh something like that. Ask Q

I couldn't agree more R531. But do you know what really pisses me off? In the school system I attended, these self-righteous brainless assholes and cunts would have been the golden children, asskissers held up as the best and brightest, models for the other kids to emulate. No matter how intelligent and talented the rest of us were, we could fuck off. I have learned more about our country's government and civics in the passed five years than I ever did in twelve years of public school . Sorry, ptsd induced rant over.

Trump now seems to think the Texas case will be his big win. Dream on, dream on, dream until your dreams come true.

I’m worried about the Texas case. Tons of states are joining onto it and scotus may feel compelled to listen to them even though Texas has no standing to tell other states how to run their elections. This may be the case that overturns the election

The Texas legal challenge seeks to invalidate the 62 Electoral College votes from four OTHER battleground states and award Trump a second term, alleging unconstitutional changes to election rules before the vote.

"Using the COVID-19 pandemic as a justification, government officials in the defendant states of Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (collectively, 'Defendant State'), usurped their legislatures’ authority and unconstitutionally revised their state’s election statutes," Paxton's complaint says. "They accomplished these statutory revisions through executive fiat or friendly lawsuits, thereby weakening ballot integrity."

And of course voters in those states rejected Trump.

"They accomplished these statutory revisions through executive fiat..."

Sort of like the Sociopathic Narcisist...

Don’t worry

The Texas case will not succeed. Texas has no standing to tell other states how to run their elections. The case is full of conspiracy theories and nonsense that has been thrown out in every single courtroom. If SCOTUS wanted to get involved in the election they would have with the PA case. That lawsuit was nonsense but if you squinted really hard you could see something that sort of resembled a case. They are not going to throw out millions of lawfully cast ballots just because the Texas AG wasn’t happy with the outcome.

Trump doesn’t understand that scotus can’t be strong armed into doing something. He doesn’t understand that they don’t work for him and don’t owe him anything. They’re there for life. They have nowhere else to ascend to. They care about the court and it’s legitimacy.

[quote]Dream on, dream on, dream until your dreams come true.

Why the fuck would you wish him that r537?

Trump supporters on Twitter hailed the state’s lawsuit as “the one.” Former Kansas Secretary of State and anti-immigration activist Kris Kobach wrote in Breitbart that Paxton’s suit was “far more important than all of the others surrounding the presidential election.” White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany hailed the case as “HUGE.” Don, Jr. simply tweeted, “I’m hard.”

Those are lyrics from an Aerosmith song.

[quote]Don, Jr. simply tweeted, “I’m hard.”

Never happened when I knew him.

I'm also worried the Martians' war against Santa Claus this year, R538.

Paxton left out that Texas also changed its voting rules due to Covid. But Trump won that state so apparently there’s no problem there. Morons.

And they aren’t suing Nevada which they’ve also accused of being a hotbed of fraud because Nevada has a Democratic led state legislator

[quote] I have learned more about our country's government and civics in the passed five years

But your brain must have discarded some of your knowledge of grammar to make way for that new information.

[quote]These Deplorables are really TOO STUPID and TOO GULLIBLE to live.

They are also too stupid and gullible to VOTE, but their vote is worth as much as yours -- more if they live in a swing state and you don't.

R520 and R522, thedonald.win idiots don't seem to have a real game plan. They just keep talking about winning with the ammo box if they can't win at the ballot box, and how ready they are to water the liberty tree with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It would be funny if it weren't also quite scary.

[quote]I’m worried about the Texas case. Tons of states are joining onto it and scotus may feel compelled to listen to them even though Texas has no standing to tell other states how to run their elections. This may be the case that overturns the election

You're either a troll or a moron.

When you look not at what's being screamed by idiots but at what's actually happening, the transition is going ahead. Biden is picking a cabinet. The ridiculous court cases are being dismissed one by one.

The Republicans and the Democrats are running out the clock on Trump. He'll throw more tantrums around the important dates--Dec. 14 for the EC vote, Jan. 6 for congressional certification of the EC vote, Jan. 20 for the inauguration, but all of his lying and screaming can't stop the truth. He lost, and he won't be president in 41 days.

[quote]Wait, where does JFK jr fit into this scenario?

The Q crowd believed that JFK Jr. was going to appear at a Trump rally and reveal that he had faked his death as part of a political "master chess game" Trump engineered years ago to take down the Deep State.

Jr. would then supplant Mike Pence as Trump's running mate.

I'm not kidding.

You just can't fix stupid

First we need to consider the 5% of Dems and Independents who are unsure. Next we need to discuss the 34% Dems and 28% Independents that believe the results are inaccurate. this is scary because I believe this is a test run to eventually steal an election.

Da--been there, done that.

R558 - I am suggesting a coupe. I truly believe they are testing the water to see how far they can go this round.

[quote]I am suggesting a coupe.

I'd prefer a convertible, thank you.

"At least 1,500 lawyers—retired judges, law professors, DOJ alumni and two former presidents of the American Bar Association (ABA) among them—have called for bar associations to condemn Trump campaign lawyers and to investigate their post-election conduct."

This shitshow is beyond tiresome. Is it time for another New York Times pieces on how Democrats need to try to understand the deplorables?

That's nice to see R561. Our democracy, such as it is, might make it. It's not like the whole rest of the world is perfect and we're the only ones struggling with fascism and rightwingery. Just gotta keep working to thwart them - donations to Dems, ACLU, oh I don't know -- any ideas for a non-activist (meaning I'm too old to hit the streets) who still wants to help out?

Concern Troll Poster R538:

[quote]I’m worried about the Texas case. Tons of states are joining onto it and scotus may feel compelled to listen to them even though Texas has no standing to tell other states how to run their elections. This may be the case that overturns the election

Is the SAME poster as R542, who posts a completely different slant:

The Texas case will not succeed. Texas has no standing to tell other states how to run their elections. The case is full of conspiracy theories and nonsense that has been thrown out in every single courtroom. If SCOTUS wanted to get involved in the election they would have with the PA case. That lawsuit was nonsense but if you squinted really hard you could see something that sort of resembled a case. They are not going to throw out millions of lawfully cast ballots just because the Texas AG wasn’t happy with the outcome. Trump doesn’t understand that scotus can’t be strong armed into doing something. He doesn’t understand that they don’t work for him and don’t owe him anything. They’re there for life. They have nowhere else to ascend to. They care about the court and it’s legitimacy.

There's your proof of trolls in action on this thread. Go through his DOZENS of posts in this thread and the SCOTUS thread, and you will see contradictory opinions all over the place.

TROLL.

The one thing this is showing is just how stupid the Electoral College is when there's only two main political parties that can win a general, national election. .. Something like the EC may have to exist, say, if we had three or four strong political parties, where no one candidate received more than 50% of the vote, but beyond that, it's entirely stupid, and actually undemocratic (e,g. since a vote in a state like Wyoming is worth almost 3X that of a vote in California). But I don't see the two-party system going away in my lifetime.

If we went with popular vote, there would be no battleground states. Every vote in every state would matter. There would never have been a President Dump to begin with, and none of this assault on democracy would be happening.

In order for Texas to take their case directly to the SCOTUS, they have to request "leave to file" an original bill of complaint. The Court doesn't like to do such cases, and when they do, it's a slooooooooow process to even grant that permission. Case in point, Texas filed such a request against California back in February, and it still hasn't been decided.

How 'bout some big blue states make up some garbage and sue Texas et al. What fun!

Coupes are good for cocktails, but flutes are better for champagne.

[quote]How 'bout some big blue states make up some garbage and sue Texas et al. What fun!

Throw Florida into the mix while they're at it.

The Biden administration would do well to reach out to centrist Republicans and try to build a coalition to move this country out of this dreadful situation we're in. The alt-right will just have to deal with the fact that the rest of the country just isn't that into them. And if the left want to prove they've got what it takes to make good public policy, now's their chance.

R570 All 4 centrist republicans? Seriously, there are almost zero truly moderate republicans elected to national office. Romney is not moderate at all. He just has *some* principles.

I did have an anti-masker republican coworker come up to me and apologize about making fun of my concern about masks. She had two friends die within a day apart from COVID-19. I’ve also seen many coworkers who have quietly started taking it more seriously. All are deplorable. 50% of the anti-maskers at my work have gotten COVID-19. Only 1 pro-masker has.

Now Trump is using the IRS to go after Joe Biden's family.

On my continuing quest to understand how Mitch McConnell, who had an approval rating of 18%, managed to win reelection by 57%, I dug even deeper🤔

The deeper I dig, the more I find the numbers out of Kentucky hard to swallow🙄

Here's a follow up on Kentucky's election results👇

My previous thread noted how many Kentucky Dems voted Republican. Folks said "This is just Kentucky voters"

But if Kentucky voters typically cross party lines it also provides cover to easily hide vote flipping. And HUGE numbers of Dems voted Republican.

Take Breathitt County👇

In Breathitt Mitch got 234% more votes than they had registered Republicans

Amys votes only represent 17% of registered Dems

They'll still say "Its just Kentucky. Look at voting history"

Well, HISTORY shows 2 counties who NEVER before voted for Mitch gave him BIG wins in 2020👇

Mitch NEVER won in Elliott or Wolfe Kentucky.

But in 2020 he won these counties with mind boggling results🧐

...

THEORY: When a Kentucky Dem voted for Amy they also voted for Biden

But thats NOT quite what the data shows👇

Out of 120 counties in Kentucky, Amy McGrath got MORE votes than Joe Biden in 119 counties.

In 99% of the counties it appears voters went into the voting booth and voted for Amy McGrath AND Trump?

Really? A Trump voter who then votes for the Democratic woman candidate?

Huh🤔 Did Amy get more votes than Biden cause more folks voted in the Senate race? Nope

550 more people voted in the Presidential race.

Senatorial Votes: 2,134,446

Presidential Votes: 2,134,996

I only had one explanation...the whole country watched the #MoscowMitch race but noone expected Biden to beat Trump in KY

So IF they manipulated votes did they siphon off slightly MORE votes from Biden to Trump?

Ironically Trump mistakenly claimed sorta the same thing in Georgia The amazing @marceelias highlighted an interesting section from one of Trumps cases👇

TRUMP alleged that Dominion machines in Georgia had a machine-controlled algorithm that flipped 2.5% of the votes FROM Biden TO Trump😳

WTF😳 Did Trump accidentally confess to vote flipping?

...

Even though Trumps vote flipping scheme is one way, it's not the only way to help a candidate in an election. What if you also wanted to add voters to the voting rolls? All those added votes would inflate the totals for the candidates you're helping.

But how do you detect that? I decided to look again at Breathitt Kentucky.

👉Breathitt used ES&S machines

👉& it's where Mitch had the biggest number of votes compared to registered Republicans

So I looked at the population of Breathitt and compared it to the registered voters and it sure does look odd👇

👉Breathitts population is 13,116

👉Approximately 23% of the population is 19 & under. So let's estimate 20% as under 18

👉That gives us approximately 10,500 old enough to vote

Yet KY Board of Electors says Breathitt has 11,497 registered voters?

But how would they add voters to voting rolls? You'd need an opportunity.

...

In 2016, Hillary won 65M in the popular vote.

Trump may have expected to win with 70M votes if it wasn't for the overwhelming turn out for Joe👏🌊

And Trump may have lost but Senators still won...

👉Mitch in KY 👉Lindsey in SC 👉Cornyn in TX 👉Ernst in IA 👉Collins in ME

Here's the link for ELECTION 2020, Part 26:

I really want more info on R573

All that at R573 is why both this election and the 2016 election need to be looked into once we take over the Justice Department again. If they don't do that, it will be the end of our country because Repugs have been revving up their cheating since Reagan. It's become so obvious and blatant that it's undeniable at this point. They overstepped in 2016 but we weren't in a position to officially investigate. They fucked up in a major way this time, as pointed out by R573. They overcompensated with the hacked machines because they couldn't predict the mail-in vote totals.

There’s a couple things I want to know from R573:

Do you think Trump flipped millions of votes with the understanding that “I got 74 million votes,” as he keeps saying, was enough compensation to flip the election, only it wasn’t? In which case, how many votes did he really get, and how many did Biden get?

Why cheat in Kentucky, a red state? Did they only flip McConnell votes? Did they try to flip Biden votes too, or did they figure he would lose no matter what and not bother? If they cheated in Kentucky, it implies that not only did McConnell lose, but Biden did much better than expected. Could he have won there? We’ll never know. It also implies they thought Trump and McConnell would really lose there, otherwise, why bother? Why these desperate attempts to hold states they always hold? What did they know?

My gawd the conspiracy theories you people believe. Get a life. You sound just like rethugs.

R578, do you think it’s normal that Trump keeps bragging about getting 74 million votes, as if that proves he won? That’s just bizarre. It’s like his crumbling brain was told 74 million is plenty, and he can’t pull himself together enough to understand it isn’t.

I don't think there is anything normal about trump or anything he thinks, says, or claims to believe. He is a steaming pile of shit.

"Wisconsin was the only state to miss the safe harbor deadline"

Not sure what you mean, but tonight on Chris Cuomo's show, Pennsylvania AG Josh Shapiro said all states had already certified (when talking, along w/Ben Ginsberg, about how ridiculous this TX law suit against other states is).

Is there some other thing you have to do by the end of the safe harbor day?

Ben Rhodes:

Trying to imagine the GOP reaction if 17 blue states sought to invalidate the will of the people in red states based on an insane conspiracy theory. Polarization is asymmetrical in this country bc only one side plays by recognizable rules.

R578, did you read the numbers outlined in R573? More cases of there magically being more Repug voters in a district than there are actual people. Hm, how does that keep happening and why is it always in the Repug's favor?

Biden’s victory margin was all aligned with polls. Almost all Sen races swung heavily for republicans when, in most cases, the Dem lead all year in every poll. Then there is Miami-Dade Anomaly.

We KNOW republicans cheat. They way they FREAKED out over mail in ballots was very, very telling.

someone figured out how McConnell cheated to win, along with SC, Iowa, FL and other red states read the whole thread, fascinating.

R573 and R585 are must reads. And of course, then the Dominion story makes sense - accuse your opponents of doing what you're doing, so when they then accuse you of it it just looks like tit for tat.

Louie Gohmert loses a temporary crown at a press conference, posts pissy tweet about it

R587 - if someone was making a TV movie-of-the-week about the downfall of a President, you couldn't make this shit up.

Lawyers have no evidence and lose every case

Lawyer's hair melts black ooze

Lawyer loses a crown

Lawyer catches Covid

The fart, r588...

[quote]Lawyer loses a crown

I missed the crown thing.

Just for you r590.

Ya couldn't *pay* me to look at it, r591!

I'm not either.

R572 - In a strange misuse of its jurisdiction, it is the DOJ, not the IRS, that is investigating Hunter Biden.

He should simply state that he can't provide his taxes because he is under audit.

Pennsylvania's response to the Texas cast actually goes there implying SEDITION.

[quote] "The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and unmistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated."

YES!

I can't WAIT to vote for Josh Shapiro for PA Governor.

R597, he’s a great guy. I live in the area he previously represented and know people who’ve known him for years. He’s going places—very effective and smart. Also cares about people, and to top it off, understands the fiscal aspects of things.

John Kruzel (Supreme Court and legal affairs reporter for The Hill):

JUST IN: New amicus brief from 106 Republican House members in support of Texas' bid to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's win in the Supreme Court. Here they are

R599 Those guys are garbage